Re: [hlds] L4D-Demo Private Server?
I think the command to set the join password for a game is 'password' 'sv_password' is where the password is stored on the server 2008/11/13 volker [EMAIL PROTECTED] on the server: EDIT ../left4dead/cfg/server.cfg === cut hostname NAME rcon_password PASSWORD mp_logdetail 0 setmaster add 68.142.72.250:27011 setmaster add 72.165.61.189:27011 sv_voiceenable 1 sv_alltalk 0 sv_search_key SEARCHKEY === cut START the server // check if SEARCHKEY is set: in server console: help sv_search_key on the client: EDIT ..\SteamApps\common\left 4 dead demo\left4dead\cfg\Autoexec.cfg === cut sv_search_key SEARCHKEY // for ppl like me, who don`t have a ` on their keyboard bind f10 toggleconsole === cut OR start the game with ...steam\Steam.exe -applaunch 530 -console and input sv_search_key SEARCHKEY in console // check if SEARCHKEY is set: in client console: help sv_search_key how to play: clan style: each member can open a lobby for friends on your server (if it doesn't already exist) and other members will connect through steam friends list (or via the in-game friends list, haven't tested that yet) semi-open style: open a lobby for friends but change the settings to public game and in-game matchmaking will add players to your server. (sometimes the start-lobby-button switches to search-lobby-button after changing the settings; game will then start searching for public server. have no explanation why, maybe a bug?) special-case: when you leave the semi-open style, and people are still playing, then one of the remaing players becomes host of the game. if you want to get control of your server again, you have to kickt the players or restart the server; haven't found any better solution yet. cheers, volker deine mail vom Mittwoch, 12. November 2008 um 23:54: GW Just a quick question. GW I read through a few hundred emails, I got everything working great.. Thanks all early-adopters. GW Is there a way to set the server for private use only? Via a password, or something similar? GW ___ GW To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: GW http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking
whitelist would be gr8 idea! On 11/13/08, Timothy L Havener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From each according to his bandwidth to each according to his need. Andrew Richman wrote: it's not your server, it's our server... On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 7:30 PM, [ЯтR] The-/iller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i just gave them a friendly kick, esp because they said their friends were coming but never did, at minimum a vote cancel command, along with this people mentioned that admin res files in the resource folder but theres no explantion on how server admins should put this to use? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats when you ban them ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [??R] The-/iller Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2008 2:00 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: [hlds] L4d vote kicking Had fun getting vote kicked from my own server today by 2 pubbers, just a suggestion to have a whitelist for steamids that can't be voted off? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking
Is there a command to disable voting in general, or hopefully, for each of the specific items you can vote on? Difficulty change, restart campaign, kicking. 2008/11/13 Patrick Shelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] whitelist would be gr8 idea! On 11/13/08, Timothy L Havener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From each according to his bandwidth to each according to his need. Andrew Richman wrote: it's not your server, it's our server... On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 7:30 PM, [ЯтR] The-/iller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i just gave them a friendly kick, esp because they said their friends were coming but never did, at minimum a vote cancel command, along with this people mentioned that admin res files in the resource folder but theres no explantion on how server admins should put this to use? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats when you ban them ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [??R] The-/iller Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2008 2:00 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: [hlds] L4d vote kicking Had fun getting vote kicked from my own server today by 2 pubbers, just a suggestion to have a whitelist for steamids that can't be voted off? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Andrew D. Noland ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking
Personally, I think that if you open up your server to the public (and you are by listing on the lobby server), then your rights go out the window as far as you never being kicked or choosing what things get voted on. I think this would be a step backwards as abusive admins can just sit and wait for people to join up, grief them until they leave, then wait for them to rejoin. Valve, please don't do this. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking
2008/11/13 Leonard L. Church [EMAIL PROTECTED] Personally, I think that if you open up your server to the public (and you are by listing on the lobby server), then your rights go out the window as far as you never being kicked or choosing what things get voted on. I think this would be a step backwards as abusive admins can just sit and wait for people to join up, grief them until they leave, then wait for them to rejoin. Valve, please don't do this. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds its happening every day on counter strike servers. :) Tyrael ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking
Yeah.. and we know how true to the original game counterstrike is. :) Ferenc Kovacs wrote: 2008/11/13 Leonard L. Church [EMAIL PROTECTED] Personally, I think that if you open up your server to the public (and you are by listing on the lobby server), then your rights go out the window as far as you never being kicked or choosing what things get voted on. I think this would be a step backwards as abusive admins can just sit and wait for people to join up, grief them until they leave, then wait for them to rejoin. Valve, please don't do this. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds its happening every day on counter strike servers. :) Tyrael ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Switch for Running Multiple Server.cfg's
Wazza? On all the other mods I run I've used unique filepath directories though now with the l4d servers I'm running I'm focused on setting them up to run from a shared directory. I using the cdmline switch +servercfgfile though it reports 'unknown command servercfgfile' at the server load, crazy thing is... its loading the server.cfg's I want ie: server-1, server-2, server-3 etc. I'd be curious to hear how some others might be doing things...? The reason I ask is... i've runin into this crazy bug that I can't figure out... For those that wish to continue reading... What I observed and reported to our friends at Valve: I was able to run a server which populated and stayed full for many hours. This morning I saw a few comment that they were not getting any traffic, myself included. I restarted the server and it seems im back to crashing every 3 minutes as reported last week. I'm running basically a vanilla server and was forced to shut down our l4d servers. Upon crash there are no mini dumps generated for me to send. Stats:- Win2k3x64, 4gb ddr2 1066, 15k raptor (l4d up to date) Cmdline:- srcds.exe -game left4dead -console +map l4d_dem_hospital01_apartment -ip xx.xx.xx.xx +hostport x Server.cfg hostname blabla setmaster add 68.142.72.250:27011 setmaster add 72.165.61.189:27011 About a day later I reported again with a way which seemed to get things working: Out of frustration I began this morning looking to see if there was any update news or any changes to l4d etc. I fired up the same troubled server environment I wrote you about. To my surprise it ran fine for probably 3 hours and we all fragged some zombies. Now, my plan was to shut the server down and reconfig things to run a few more apps from the existing l4d directory on diff ports etc 30025, 30035, 30045 and run server-8 server-9 server-10 .cfgs which would be identified with the cmdline addition +servercfgfile server-8.cfg etc. etc. Now I restarted the first l4d server to test and it was back to square one crashing consistently every 3 minutes. So, I reverted back to the basic server.cfg as described below and removed +servercfgfile server-8.cfg from the commandline. This had no effect and the server continually kept crashing every 3 mins. At this point I'm totally baffled, my next step I removed the server.cfg entirely and started the server, you can see in the attached console dump it looks for the server cfg though its not found and the server runs past the 3 minute mark without crashing. Now I manually load the server config loaded with hostname and setmaster info (people connect and the server awakes) and its up and running and doesn't seem to be crashing. I know if you cant reproduce the error its probably tuff to fix though if memory serves me right I think others posted troubles on the hlds list about no server.cfg troubles. I'm not sure if any of this info will help though I hope it does. Thx for reading... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking
2008/11/13 Leonard L. Church [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yeah.. and we know how true to the original game counterstrike is. :) Ferenc Kovacs wrote: 2008/11/13 Leonard L. Church [EMAIL PROTECTED] Personally, I think that if you open up your server to the public (and you are by listing on the lobby server), then your rights go out the window as far as you never being kicked or choosing what things get voted on. I think this would be a step backwards as abusive admins can just sit and wait for people to join up, grief them until they leave, then wait for them to rejoin. Valve, please don't do this. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds its happening every day on counter strike servers. :) Tyrael ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds sorry, I was trying to say this in an ironic way. It was funny, that after so many years of admins-ruling-on-their-own-servers, somebody said that it isn't right. :) Tyrael ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] L4D - Server admins, remove your sv_tags !
Many people use the sv_tags lines which set your server to Server Browser Join Enabled now. The only problem with it is that there is a BUG with sv_tags in Left 4 Dead, when you set it to something long (like Server Browser Join Enabled), people can no longer join from a lobby. It seems that some people can connect from time to time, I don't know why. Maybe it is also related to sv_search_key, it makes your sv_tags bigger (in the server browser tags column you can see it). I guess most people would like their servers to have players almost all the time. To VALVe: The Tags column in the Server Browser shows the sv_search_key, like this : sv_search_keyYOURSEARCHKEY36. Shouldn't that be removed so only the people you only give the sv_search_key to people you know and not everybody know it? AnAkIn ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] L4D - Server admins, remove your sv_tags !
Yes, it it also related to sv_search_key, just tested. sv_search_key lolnoob would work sv_search_key lolnooblolnooblolnooblolnooblolnooblolnooblolnoob would not work because it makes sv_tags longer. 2008/11/13 AnAkIn . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Many people use the sv_tags lines which set your server to Server Browser Join Enabled now. The only problem with it is that there is a BUG with sv_tags in Left 4 Dead, when you set it to something long (like Server Browser Join Enabled), people can no longer join from a lobby. It seems that some people can connect from time to time, I don't know why. Maybe it is also related to sv_search_key, it makes your sv_tags bigger (in the server browser tags column you can see it). I guess most people would like their servers to have players almost all the time. To VALVe: The Tags column in the Server Browser shows the sv_search_key, like this : sv_search_keyYOURSEARCHKEY36. Shouldn't that be removed so only the people you only give the sv_search_key to people you know and not everybody know it? AnAkIn ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking
You can't be serious. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:40 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking Personally, I think that if you open up your server to the public (and you are by listing on the lobby server), then your rights go out the window as far as you never being kicked or choosing what things get voted on. I think this would be a step backwards as abusive admins can just sit and wait for people to join up, grief them until they leave, then wait for them to rejoin. Valve, please don't do this. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking
I am serious Spencer. I know we don't agree on allot of things and this appears to be another one, so let's kindly not argue the point. Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: You can't be serious. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:40 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking Personally, I think that if you open up your server to the public (and you are by listing on the lobby server), then your rights go out the window as far as you never being kicked or choosing what things get voted on. I think this would be a step backwards as abusive admins can just sit and wait for people to join up, grief them until they leave, then wait for them to rejoin. Valve, please don't do this. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking
2008/11/13 Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can't be serious. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:40 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking Personally, I think that if you open up your server to the public (and you are by listing on the lobby server), then your rights go out the window as far as you never being kicked or choosing what things get voted on. I think this would be a step backwards as abusive admins can just sit and wait for people to join up, grief them until they leave, then wait for them to rejoin. Valve, please don't do this. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds I can be, but on rare occasions. :) Tyrael ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking
why so srs?! - Original Message - From: Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: 2008-11-13 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking You can't be serious. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:40 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking Personally, I think that if you open up your server to the public (and you are by listing on the lobby server), then your rights go out the window as far as you never being kicked or choosing what things get voted on. I think this would be a step backwards as abusive admins can just sit and wait for people to join up, grief them until they leave, then wait for them to rejoin. Valve, please don't do this. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking
2008/11/13 Don Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] why so srs? Let's put a smiley on that face... Tyrael ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking
So let me get this straight. Let's say, I decide to run a nightclub, the nightclub is public. Anyone can go to my nightclub. You are saying that, I should not have control of who I can kick out of my nightclub? That's essentially what a server is, a club, it's operated by me, it is paid for by me. It is essentially my private property, and if I do not want someone on it, I have the right to remove them from it. They can counter of course, by going to another server. Having some logic in my own club that allows a few troublemakers to essentially throw me out of my own club is pretty ridiculous. You obviously do not run a server with the kind of stance you are taking. If you do not like a server, open console, type... disconnect. Wow, that's really hard. - voogru -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:17 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking I am serious Spencer. I know we don't agree on allot of things and this appears to be another one, so let's kindly not argue the point. Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: You can't be serious. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:40 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking Personally, I think that if you open up your server to the public (and you are by listing on the lobby server), then your rights go out the window as far as you never being kicked or choosing what things get voted on. I think this would be a step backwards as abusive admins can just sit and wait for people to join up, grief them until they leave, then wait for them to rejoin. Valve, please don't do this. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking
Ok.. You want to get into it... We can. Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: So let me get this straight. No... To easy... I'll let that one slide. Let's say, I decide to run a nightclub, the nightclub is public. Anyone can go to my nightclub. If your nightclub can only hold 4 people (counting yourself), then perhaps you would have a point. You are saying that, I should not have control of who I can kick out of my nightclub? If someone is trashing your nightclub (of you and 3 other people), then yes. Kick them out. If they are obeying the rules and not harming things, no. I don't think you should be able to. But this isn't a nightclub. This is more like 2 bikes you own that you left out in the park with a sign saying, Anyone can ride these bikes, then pushing off people who ride them because you want to. That's essentially what a server is, a club, it's operated by me, it is paid for by me. It is essentially my private property, and if I do not want someone on it, I have the right to remove them from it. They can counter of course, by going to another server. Actually, you rent servers mostly. You might not, but that's neither here nor there as we are talking about server owners in general and not how big your ... server... is. For TF2 and CSS and games that have bigger sizes, then yes. I would agree with you that you should have more control over this. But it isn't. It's a small server and it's not a nightclub.. No matter how much you want it to be. Having some logic in my own club that allows a few troublemakers to essentially throw me out of my own club is pretty ridiculous. If you offer a service to the public, then you should be willing to obey the public rule. You don't become a cop and say, You know, I don't agree with that law. I'm going to shoot that guy anyway. You obviously do not run a server with the kind of stance you are taking. I love your logic. Because I disagree with you, I don't run a server. :) You got me.. I don't have a server at all.. *chuckles* Apparently, if I owned a server (which I do), I would agree with everything you say. If you do not like a server, open console, type... disconnect. Wow, that's really hard. No one said that is hard. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking
now. i thinnk i may be oversimplifying this, but are you saying that I shouldn't have the ability to be a higher level user on the server that I administer/officiate/etc? i think there should be some kind of authentication system for server admins. so they can join a game on their server (either to spectate, join, etc). kind of like a reserved slot. a way for the admin to stay seperate of the other users. I don't expect much from the demo version of the server but the full release of L4D I expect a little more play in the server config. Leonard L. Church wrote: Ok.. You want to get into it... We can. Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: So let me get this straight. No... To easy... I'll let that one slide. Let's say, I decide to run a nightclub, the nightclub is public. Anyone can go to my nightclub. If your nightclub can only hold 4 people (counting yourself), then perhaps you would have a point. You are saying that, I should not have control of who I can kick out of my nightclub? If someone is trashing your nightclub (of you and 3 other people), then yes. Kick them out. If they are obeying the rules and not harming things, no. I don't think you should be able to. But this isn't a nightclub. This is more like 2 bikes you own that you left out in the park with a sign saying, Anyone can ride these bikes, then pushing off people who ride them because you want to. That's essentially what a server is, a club, it's operated by me, it is paid for by me. It is essentially my private property, and if I do not want someone on it, I have the right to remove them from it. They can counter of course, by going to another server. Actually, you rent servers mostly. You might not, but that's neither here nor there as we are talking about server owners in general and not how big your ... server... is. For TF2 and CSS and games that have bigger sizes, then yes. I would agree with you that you should have more control over this. But it isn't. It's a small server and it's not a nightclub.. No matter how much you want it to be. Having some logic in my own club that allows a few troublemakers to essentially throw me out of my own club is pretty ridiculous. If you offer a service to the public, then you should be willing to obey the public rule. You don't become a cop and say, You know, I don't agree with that law. I'm going to shoot that guy anyway. You obviously do not run a server with the kind of stance you are taking. I love your logic. Because I disagree with you, I don't run a server. :) You got me.. I don't have a server at all.. *chuckles* Apparently, if I owned a server (which I do), I would agree with everything you say. If you do not like a server, open console, type... disconnect. Wow, that's really hard. No one said that is hard. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking
If they are obeying the rules and not harming things, no. I don't think you should be able to. And is valve going to make some code to check if they are obeying the rules? No, it's up to me to decide if they break the rules. But this isn't a nightclub. This is more like 2 bikes you own that you left out in the park with a sign saying, Anyone can ride these bikes, then pushing off people who ride them because you want to. Bad analogy. It's more like, Anyone can ride these bikes, as long as you don't steal them, damage them, or use them for illegal purposes. If you do, I will take away the bike, WARNING: This may involve pushing you off the bike. If you offer a service to the public, then you should be willing to obey the public rule. You don't become a cop and say, You know, I don't agree with that law. I'm going to shoot that guy anyway. Woah, another bad analogy. If I offer a service to the public and it's on my property, it's still my property. If a person becomes threatening (say, with a deadly weapon), then guess what, here in Florida... I can shoot him! Otherwise if he's just being a troublemaker without a weapon, I have every right to kick him out of my property for any reason I deem. That is essentially what happens on my servers. If you break the rules, you're out. Taking away power from the administrators over their own servers will ensure that there will be no quality game servers. Period. Enjoy those lovely listen servers. I'm sick of these people who think they have a right to play on someones server, if you have an abusive admin, you can leave the server and not go there again. This is an issue with L4D though because of the automatic server selection but I'm sure it will be fixed. When you are on a third party server, you are in someone else's house, you're allowed to be there, but the owner is ultimately who decides if you can be there or not. Let's see you go to a public party at someone's house, the owner doesn't like you for whatever reason and asks you to leave, you refuse. He calls the cops (rather than getting his big friends to drag you out kicking and screaming). You can't just say to the cops, Hey I wasn't breaking the rules, the person who OWNS the property can't kick me out cause I was obeying the rules!. It doesn't matter, IT'S THE OWNERS PROPERTY. - voogru -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:51 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking Ok.. You want to get into it... We can. Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: So let me get this straight. No... To easy... I'll let that one slide. Let's say, I decide to run a nightclub, the nightclub is public. Anyone can go to my nightclub. If your nightclub can only hold 4 people (counting yourself), then perhaps you would have a point. You are saying that, I should not have control of who I can kick out of my nightclub? If someone is trashing your nightclub (of you and 3 other people), then yes. Kick them out. If they are obeying the rules and not harming things, no. I don't think you should be able to. But this isn't a nightclub. This is more like 2 bikes you own that you left out in the park with a sign saying, Anyone can ride these bikes, then pushing off people who ride them because you want to. That's essentially what a server is, a club, it's operated by me, it is paid for by me. It is essentially my private property, and if I do not want someone on it, I have the right to remove them from it. They can counter of course, by going to another server. Actually, you rent servers mostly. You might not, but that's neither here nor there as we are talking about server owners in general and not how big your ... server... is. For TF2 and CSS and games that have bigger sizes, then yes. I would agree with you that you should have more control over this. But it isn't. It's a small server and it's not a nightclub.. No matter how much you want it to be. Having some logic in my own club that allows a few troublemakers to essentially throw me out of my own club is pretty ridiculous. If you offer a service to the public, then you should be willing to obey the public rule. You don't become a cop and say, You know, I don't agree with that law. I'm going to shoot that guy anyway. You obviously do not run a server with the kind of stance you are taking. I love your logic. Because I disagree with you, I don't run a server. :) You got me.. I don't have a server at all.. *chuckles* Apparently, if I owned a server (which I do), I would agree with everything you say. If you do not like a server, open console, type... disconnect. Wow, that's really hard. No one said that is hard. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit:
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Why not argue the point? If you are going to make such a ludicrous statement please back it up with logic. So I pay for a server for my friends and I to play on or just for the heck of it and I should have no say as to what goes on? Who in their right mind would waste the time? If Valve wants to control the gaming experience so some ten year old doesn't get his feelings hurt then let them pay for their own servers. I am not going to pay for them to have a place for other people to play where I have no say. Everyone is afraid of the big bad admin. Do this and see how quickly you have no community and no where to play. Leonard L. Church wrote: I am serious Spencer. I know we don't agree on allot of things and this appears to be another one, so let's kindly not argue the point. Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: You can't be serious. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:40 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking Personally, I think that if you open up your server to the public (and you are by listing on the lobby server), then your rights go out the window as far as you never being kicked or choosing what things get voted on. I think this would be a step backwards as abusive admins can just sit and wait for people to join up, grief them until they leave, then wait for them to rejoin. Valve, please don't do this. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Battlefiedl 2 ROE was a means of allowing 10 year olds play the game and not get his feelings hurt. In essence, you couldn't do what you liked with your server if it conflicted with the ROE. Like pistol only servers. On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Timothy L Havener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not argue the point? If you are going to make such a ludicrous statement please back it up with logic. So I pay for a server for my friends and I to play on or just for the heck of it and I should have no say as to what goes on? Who in their right mind would waste the time? If Valve wants to control the gaming experience so some ten year old doesn't get his feelings hurt then let them pay for their own servers. I am not going to pay for them to have a place for other people to play where I have no say. Everyone is afraid of the big bad admin. Do this and see how quickly you have no community and no where to play. Leonard L. Church wrote: I am serious Spencer. I know we don't agree on allot of things and this appears to be another one, so let's kindly not argue the point. Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: You can't be serious. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:40 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking Personally, I think that if you open up your server to the public (and you are by listing on the lobby server), then your rights go out the window as far as you never being kicked or choosing what things get voted on. I think this would be a step backwards as abusive admins can just sit and wait for people to join up, grief them until they leave, then wait for them to rejoin. Valve, please don't do this. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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According to his argument I invite 3 guys over to my house for a card game. In the middle of the card game they decide they want me out of the card game. Its my house but they vote to kick me out. Then they bring in some other guy to take my spot and I am left to sit and watch. Would you let this happen in your own home? Or in some cases here in your mother's basement? Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: If they are obeying the rules and not harming things, no. I don't think you should be able to. And is valve going to make some code to check if they are obeying the rules? No, it's up to me to decide if they break the rules. But this isn't a nightclub. This is more like 2 bikes you own that you left out in the park with a sign saying, Anyone can ride these bikes, then pushing off people who ride them because you want to. Bad analogy. It's more like, Anyone can ride these bikes, as long as you don't steal them, damage them, or use them for illegal purposes. If you do, I will take away the bike, WARNING: This may involve pushing you off the bike. If you offer a service to the public, then you should be willing to obey the public rule. You don't become a cop and say, You know, I don't agree with that law. I'm going to shoot that guy anyway. Woah, another bad analogy. If I offer a service to the public and it's on my property, it's still my property. If a person becomes threatening (say, with a deadly weapon), then guess what, here in Florida... I can shoot him! Otherwise if he's just being a troublemaker without a weapon, I have every right to kick him out of my property for any reason I deem. That is essentially what happens on my servers. If you break the rules, you're out. Taking away power from the administrators over their own servers will ensure that there will be no quality game servers. Period. Enjoy those lovely listen servers. I'm sick of these people who think they have a right to play on someones server, if you have an abusive admin, you can leave the server and not go there again. This is an issue with L4D though because of the automatic server selection but I'm sure it will be fixed. When you are on a third party server, you are in someone else's house, you're allowed to be there, but the owner is ultimately who decides if you can be there or not. Let's see you go to a public party at someone's house, the owner doesn't like you for whatever reason and asks you to leave, you refuse. He calls the cops (rather than getting his big friends to drag you out kicking and screaming). You can't just say to the cops, Hey I wasn't breaking the rules, the person who OWNS the property can't kick me out cause I was obeying the rules!. It doesn't matter, IT'S THE OWNERS PROPERTY. - voogru -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:51 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking Ok.. You want to get into it... We can. Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: So let me get this straight. No... To easy... I'll let that one slide. Let's say, I decide to run a nightclub, the nightclub is public. Anyone can go to my nightclub. If your nightclub can only hold 4 people (counting yourself), then perhaps you would have a point. You are saying that, I should not have control of who I can kick out of my nightclub? If someone is trashing your nightclub (of you and 3 other people), then yes. Kick them out. If they are obeying the rules and not harming things, no. I don't think you should be able to. But this isn't a nightclub. This is more like 2 bikes you own that you left out in the park with a sign saying, Anyone can ride these bikes, then pushing off people who ride them because you want to. That's essentially what a server is, a club, it's operated by me, it is paid for by me. It is essentially my private property, and if I do not want someone on it, I have the right to remove them from it. They can counter of course, by going to another server. Actually, you rent servers mostly. You might not, but that's neither here nor there as we are talking about server owners in general and not how big your ... server... is. For TF2 and CSS and games that have bigger sizes, then yes. I would agree with you that you should have more control over this. But it isn't. It's a small server and it's not a nightclub.. No matter how much you want it to be. Having some logic in my own club that allows a few troublemakers to essentially throw me out of my own club is pretty ridiculous. If you offer a service to the public, then you should be willing to obey the public rule. You don't become a cop and say, You know, I don't agree with that law. I'm going to shoot that guy anyway.
Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking
So Valve is going to go down that road and blacklist the IP of anyone who kicks someone unfairly? Besides that is also only for ranked servers. There are unranked servers that do not have those rules and you can do as you please. J T wrote: Battlefiedl 2 ROE was a means of allowing 10 year olds play the game and not get his feelings hurt. In essence, you couldn't do what you liked with your server if it conflicted with the ROE. Like pistol only servers. On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Timothy L Havener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not argue the point? If you are going to make such a ludicrous statement please back it up with logic. So I pay for a server for my friends and I to play on or just for the heck of it and I should have no say as to what goes on? Who in their right mind would waste the time? If Valve wants to control the gaming experience so some ten year old doesn't get his feelings hurt then let them pay for their own servers. I am not going to pay for them to have a place for other people to play where I have no say. Everyone is afraid of the big bad admin. Do this and see how quickly you have no community and no where to play. Leonard L. Church wrote: I am serious Spencer. I know we don't agree on allot of things and this appears to be another one, so let's kindly not argue the point. Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: You can't be serious. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:40 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking Personally, I think that if you open up your server to the public (and you are by listing on the lobby server), then your rights go out the window as far as you never being kicked or choosing what things get voted on. I think this would be a step backwards as abusive admins can just sit and wait for people to join up, grief them until they leave, then wait for them to rejoin. Valve, please don't do this. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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I seriously don't want to argue the point more then I already did. It appears other server operators feel differently and the mob will rule on this one. Comparing a rented server to your house or nightclub is silly. Also, comparing kicking someone equaling murder is also silly. Decide what you want. I'm out of the L4D game. Timothy L Havener wrote: So Valve is going to go down that road and blacklist the IP of anyone who kicks someone unfairly? Besides that is also only for ranked servers. There are unranked servers that do not have those rules and you can do as you please. J T wrote: Battlefiedl 2 ROE was a means of allowing 10 year olds play the game and not get his feelings hurt. In essence, you couldn't do what you liked with your server if it conflicted with the ROE. Like pistol only servers. On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Timothy L Havener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not argue the point? If you are going to make such a ludicrous statement please back it up with logic. So I pay for a server for my friends and I to play on or just for the heck of it and I should have no say as to what goes on? Who in their right mind would waste the time? If Valve wants to control the gaming experience so some ten year old doesn't get his feelings hurt then let them pay for their own servers. I am not going to pay for them to have a place for other people to play where I have no say. Everyone is afraid of the big bad admin. Do this and see how quickly you have no community and no where to play. Leonard L. Church wrote: I am serious Spencer. I know we don't agree on allot of things and this appears to be another one, so let's kindly not argue the point. Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: You can't be serious. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:40 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking Personally, I think that if you open up your server to the public (and you are by listing on the lobby server), then your rights go out the window as far as you never being kicked or choosing what things get voted on. I think this would be a step backwards as abusive admins can just sit and wait for people to join up, grief them until they leave, then wait for them to rejoin. Valve, please don't do this. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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They can enforce it if they wanted to. Whats going to stop them? They can pretty much do what they want to do, people will either take it or leave it. With the match making system and the openbrowser, there are going to be two divides. The vanilla l4d and the custom l4d. Custom maps are already being created and played on regular servers. What is valve trying to do with a matchmaking system. The only other game that I can think of recently that does the same thing is combat arms. But the servers are hosted by the games creator nexxon, not the community. And it looks like its working for them. On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Timothy L Havener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So Valve is going to go down that road and blacklist the IP of anyone who kicks someone unfairly? Besides that is also only for ranked servers. There are unranked servers that do not have those rules and you can do as you please. J T wrote: Battlefiedl 2 ROE was a means of allowing 10 year olds play the game and not get his feelings hurt. In essence, you couldn't do what you liked with your server if it conflicted with the ROE. Like pistol only servers. On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Timothy L Havener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not argue the point? If you are going to make such a ludicrous statement please back it up with logic. So I pay for a server for my friends and I to play on or just for the heck of it and I should have no say as to what goes on? Who in their right mind would waste the time? If Valve wants to control the gaming experience so some ten year old doesn't get his feelings hurt then let them pay for their own servers. I am not going to pay for them to have a place for other people to play where I have no say. Everyone is afraid of the big bad admin. Do this and see how quickly you have no community and no where to play. Leonard L. Church wrote: I am serious Spencer. I know we don't agree on allot of things and this appears to be another one, so let's kindly not argue the point. Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: You can't be serious. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:40 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking Personally, I think that if you open up your server to the public (and you are by listing on the lobby server), then your rights go out the window as far as you never being kicked or choosing what things get voted on. I think this would be a step backwards as abusive admins can just sit and wait for people to join up, grief them until they leave, then wait for them to rejoin. Valve, please don't do this. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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The comparison is not silly at all, it's very parallel to having a privately owned server. Valve is not forcing anyone to run servers, and until server operators are compensated in some way for running a server and being forced to be just one of the crowd, there is nothing wrong whatsoever with someone running it how they wish. Not all servers are created equally - despite what the Matchmaker and the Lobby System may make you think. Some server admins don't want immature players on their servers, and some server admins are onboard with the everyone is equal train like you seem to be. Personally, I run server for adults and the mature gaming crowd, and when someone comes in and decides to act up or sass the PAYING owners, I don't think twice about hitting the ban button. Do I expect everyone to act this way? Of course not. Would I continue to support Left 4 Dead if I, as a paying owner, were punished for using my end product in any way I choose to? Of course not, either. Bottom line is that nobody is telling -you- how to run your server, and it's not fair for you to try and tell others how to run theirs. And frankly it is a bit childish to toss away a game just because a server owner won't be reprimanded for running his server the way he likes - even if that means making you angry. Like voogru said, hit Disconnect and call it a day. On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 14:44 -0800, Leonard L. Church wrote: I seriously don't want to argue the point more then I already did. It appears other server operators feel differently and the mob will rule on this one. Comparing a rented server to your house or nightclub is silly. Also, comparing kicking someone equaling murder is also silly. Decide what you want. I'm out of the L4D game. Timothy L Havener wrote: So Valve is going to go down that road and blacklist the IP of anyone who kicks someone unfairly? Besides that is also only for ranked servers. There are unranked servers that do not have those rules and you can do as you please. J T wrote: Battlefiedl 2 ROE was a means of allowing 10 year olds play the game and not get his feelings hurt. In essence, you couldn't do what you liked with your server if it conflicted with the ROE. Like pistol only servers. On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Timothy L Havener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not argue the point? If you are going to make such a ludicrous statement please back it up with logic. So I pay for a server for my friends and I to play on or just for the heck of it and I should have no say as to what goes on? Who in their right mind would waste the time? If Valve wants to control the gaming experience so some ten year old doesn't get his feelings hurt then let them pay for their own servers. I am not going to pay for them to have a place for other people to play where I have no say. Everyone is afraid of the big bad admin. Do this and see how quickly you have no community and no where to play. Leonard L. Church wrote: I am serious Spencer. I know we don't agree on allot of things and this appears to be another one, so let's kindly not argue the point. Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: You can't be serious. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:40 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking Personally, I think that if you open up your server to the public (and you are by listing on the lobby server), then your rights go out the window as far as you never being kicked or choosing what things get voted on. I think this would be a step backwards as abusive admins can just sit and wait for people to join up, grief them until they leave, then wait for them to rejoin. Valve, please don't do this. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit:
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Mob ftw. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:44 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking I seriously don't want to argue the point more then I already did. It appears other server operators feel differently and the mob will rule on this one. Comparing a rented server to your house or nightclub is silly. Also, comparing kicking someone equaling murder is also silly. Decide what you want. I'm out of the L4D game. Timothy L Havener wrote: So Valve is going to go down that road and blacklist the IP of anyone who kicks someone unfairly? Besides that is also only for ranked servers. There are unranked servers that do not have those rules and you can do as you please. J T wrote: Battlefiedl 2 ROE was a means of allowing 10 year olds play the game and not get his feelings hurt. In essence, you couldn't do what you liked with your server if it conflicted with the ROE. Like pistol only servers. On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Timothy L Havener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not argue the point? If you are going to make such a ludicrous statement please back it up with logic. So I pay for a server for my friends and I to play on or just for the heck of it and I should have no say as to what goes on? Who in their right mind would waste the time? If Valve wants to control the gaming experience so some ten year old doesn't get his feelings hurt then let them pay for their own servers. I am not going to pay for them to have a place for other people to play where I have no say. Everyone is afraid of the big bad admin. Do this and see how quickly you have no community and no where to play. Leonard L. Church wrote: I am serious Spencer. I know we don't agree on allot of things and this appears to be another one, so let's kindly not argue the point. Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: You can't be serious. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:40 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking Personally, I think that if you open up your server to the public (and you are by listing on the lobby server), then your rights go out the window as far as you never being kicked or choosing what things get voted on. I think this would be a step backwards as abusive admins can just sit and wait for people to join up, grief them until they leave, then wait for them to rejoin. Valve, please don't do this. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking
Even though I consider voogru generally annoying... ;) He does have a point. You own the server, you own the rights to do whatever you want and enforce whatever rules you want. Period. If you don't like the way admins run their servers, start up a listen server and bitch to the people that join and then complain that the game is laggy. :) On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mob ftw. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:44 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking I seriously don't want to argue the point more then I already did. It appears other server operators feel differently and the mob will rule on this one. Comparing a rented server to your house or nightclub is silly. Also, comparing kicking someone equaling murder is also silly. Decide what you want. I'm out of the L4D game. Timothy L Havener wrote: So Valve is going to go down that road and blacklist the IP of anyone who kicks someone unfairly? Besides that is also only for ranked servers. There are unranked servers that do not have those rules and you can do as you please. J T wrote: Battlefiedl 2 ROE was a means of allowing 10 year olds play the game and not get his feelings hurt. In essence, you couldn't do what you liked with your server if it conflicted with the ROE. Like pistol only servers. On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Timothy L Havener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not argue the point? If you are going to make such a ludicrous statement please back it up with logic. So I pay for a server for my friends and I to play on or just for the heck of it and I should have no say as to what goes on? Who in their right mind would waste the time? If Valve wants to control the gaming experience so some ten year old doesn't get his feelings hurt then let them pay for their own servers. I am not going to pay for them to have a place for other people to play where I have no say. Everyone is afraid of the big bad admin. Do this and see how quickly you have no community and no where to play. Leonard L. Church wrote: I am serious Spencer. I know we don't agree on allot of things and this appears to be another one, so let's kindly not argue the point. Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: You can't be serious. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:40 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking Personally, I think that if you open up your server to the public (and you are by listing on the lobby server), then your rights go out the window as far as you never being kicked or choosing what things get voted on. I think this would be a step backwards as abusive admins can just sit and wait for people to join up, grief them until they leave, then wait for them to rejoin. Valve, please don't do this. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking
It really frightens me that kids are growing up with this unrealistic belief that everything is supposed to be fair to the point they cannot take the rejection of being kicked from a game server. Life isn't fair. Pick yourself up and dust yourself off and just find another server Cc2iscooL wrote: Even though I consider voogru generally annoying... ;) He does have a point. You own the server, you own the rights to do whatever you want and enforce whatever rules you want. Period. If you don't like the way admins run their servers, start up a listen server and bitch to the people that join and then complain that the game is laggy. :) On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mob ftw. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:44 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking I seriously don't want to argue the point more then I already did. It appears other server operators feel differently and the mob will rule on this one. Comparing a rented server to your house or nightclub is silly. Also, comparing kicking someone equaling murder is also silly. Decide what you want. I'm out of the L4D game. Timothy L Havener wrote: So Valve is going to go down that road and blacklist the IP of anyone who kicks someone unfairly? Besides that is also only for ranked servers. There are unranked servers that do not have those rules and you can do as you please. J T wrote: Battlefiedl 2 ROE was a means of allowing 10 year olds play the game and not get his feelings hurt. In essence, you couldn't do what you liked with your server if it conflicted with the ROE. Like pistol only servers. On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Timothy L Havener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not argue the point? If you are going to make such a ludicrous statement please back it up with logic. So I pay for a server for my friends and I to play on or just for the heck of it and I should have no say as to what goes on? Who in their right mind would waste the time? If Valve wants to control the gaming experience so some ten year old doesn't get his feelings hurt then let them pay for their own servers. I am not going to pay for them to have a place for other people to play where I have no say. Everyone is afraid of the big bad admin. Do this and see how quickly you have no community and no where to play. Leonard L. Church wrote: I am serious Spencer. I know we don't agree on allot of things and this appears to be another one, so let's kindly not argue the point. Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: You can't be serious. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:40 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking Personally, I think that if you open up your server to the public (and you are by listing on the lobby server), then your rights go out the window as far as you never being kicked or choosing what things get voted on. I think this would be a step backwards as abusive admins can just sit and wait for people to join up, grief them until they leave, then wait for them to rejoin. Valve, please don't do this. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking
Valve don't make the rules when it comes to our servers. They only have the right to protect their IP. So if someone comes in my server who has 3 arms... and I have a no 3 arm'd people rule... then they are out. If an admin is being an idiot, then the players can connect to another server. Easy. 2008/11/13 Cc2iscooL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Even though I consider voogru generally annoying... ;) He does have a point. You own the server, you own the rights to do whatever you want and enforce whatever rules you want. Period. If you don't like the way admins run their servers, start up a listen server and bitch to the people that join and then complain that the game is laggy. :) On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mob ftw. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:44 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking I seriously don't want to argue the point more then I already did. It appears other server operators feel differently and the mob will rule on this one. Comparing a rented server to your house or nightclub is silly. Also, comparing kicking someone equaling murder is also silly. Decide what you want. I'm out of the L4D game. Timothy L Havener wrote: So Valve is going to go down that road and blacklist the IP of anyone who kicks someone unfairly? Besides that is also only for ranked servers. There are unranked servers that do not have those rules and you can do as you please. J T wrote: Battlefiedl 2 ROE was a means of allowing 10 year olds play the game and not get his feelings hurt. In essence, you couldn't do what you liked with your server if it conflicted with the ROE. Like pistol only servers. On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Timothy L Havener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not argue the point? If you are going to make such a ludicrous statement please back it up with logic. So I pay for a server for my friends and I to play on or just for the heck of it and I should have no say as to what goes on? Who in their right mind would waste the time? If Valve wants to control the gaming experience so some ten year old doesn't get his feelings hurt then let them pay for their own servers. I am not going to pay for them to have a place for other people to play where I have no say. Everyone is afraid of the big bad admin. Do this and see how quickly you have no community and no where to play. Leonard L. Church wrote: I am serious Spencer. I know we don't agree on allot of things and this appears to be another one, so let's kindly not argue the point. Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: You can't be serious. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:40 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking Personally, I think that if you open up your server to the public (and you are by listing on the lobby server), then your rights go out the window as far as you never being kicked or choosing what things get voted on. I think this would be a step backwards as abusive admins can just sit and wait for people to join up, grief them until they leave, then wait for them to rejoin. Valve, please don't do this. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list
Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking
When server owners start having no control over who plays on their servers is the time that most public servers will disappear. There is absolutely no incentive to pay someone Else's rent when they can kick you out at any time, especially when it should be the opposite. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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This is in the realm of a non constructive thread. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy L Havener Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:37 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking It really frightens me that kids are growing up with this unrealistic belief that everything is supposed to be fair to the point they cannot take the rejection of being kicked from a game server. Life isn't fair. Pick yourself up and dust yourself off and just find another server Cc2iscooL wrote: Even though I consider voogru generally annoying... ;) He does have a point. You own the server, you own the rights to do whatever you want and enforce whatever rules you want. Period. If you don't like the way admins run their servers, start up a listen server and bitch to the people that join and then complain that the game is laggy. :) On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mob ftw. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:44 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking I seriously don't want to argue the point more then I already did. It appears other server operators feel differently and the mob will rule on this one. Comparing a rented server to your house or nightclub is silly. Also, comparing kicking someone equaling murder is also silly. Decide what you want. I'm out of the L4D game. Timothy L Havener wrote: So Valve is going to go down that road and blacklist the IP of anyone who kicks someone unfairly? Besides that is also only for ranked servers. There are unranked servers that do not have those rules and you can do as you please. J T wrote: Battlefiedl 2 ROE was a means of allowing 10 year olds play the game and not get his feelings hurt. In essence, you couldn't do what you liked with your server if it conflicted with the ROE. Like pistol only servers. On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Timothy L Havener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not argue the point? If you are going to make such a ludicrous statement please back it up with logic. So I pay for a server for my friends and I to play on or just for the heck of it and I should have no say as to what goes on? Who in their right mind would waste the time? If Valve wants to control the gaming experience so some ten year old doesn't get his feelings hurt then let them pay for their own servers. I am not going to pay for them to have a place for other people to play where I have no say. Everyone is afraid of the big bad admin. Do this and see how quickly you have no community and no where to play. Leonard L. Church wrote: I am serious Spencer. I know we don't agree on allot of things and this appears to be another one, so let's kindly not argue the point. Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: You can't be serious. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:40 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking Personally, I think that if you open up your server to the public (and you are by listing on the lobby server), then your rights go out the window as far as you never being kicked or choosing what things get voted on. I think this would be a step backwards as abusive admins can just sit and wait for people to join up, grief them until they leave, then wait for them to rejoin. Valve, please don't do this. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit
Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking
You have to see it from the point of view from those of us who host servers. We bust our asses trying to build a community and fun environment for people to play your games. Some little kid with mommy issues complains about being kicked and kicks up a fuss and his opinion is considered valid enough to warrant restrictions being placed on us. Its a bit frustrating... You let them vent and you hear their voices...hear ours...please. Erik Johnson wrote: This is in the realm of a non constructive thread. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy L Havener Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:37 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking It really frightens me that kids are growing up with this unrealistic belief that everything is supposed to be fair to the point they cannot take the rejection of being kicked from a game server. Life isn't fair. Pick yourself up and dust yourself off and just find another server Cc2iscooL wrote: Even though I consider voogru generally annoying... ;) He does have a point. You own the server, you own the rights to do whatever you want and enforce whatever rules you want. Period. If you don't like the way admins run their servers, start up a listen server and bitch to the people that join and then complain that the game is laggy. :) On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mob ftw. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:44 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking I seriously don't want to argue the point more then I already did. It appears other server operators feel differently and the mob will rule on this one. Comparing a rented server to your house or nightclub is silly. Also, comparing kicking someone equaling murder is also silly. Decide what you want. I'm out of the L4D game. Timothy L Havener wrote: So Valve is going to go down that road and blacklist the IP of anyone who kicks someone unfairly? Besides that is also only for ranked servers. There are unranked servers that do not have those rules and you can do as you please. J T wrote: Battlefiedl 2 ROE was a means of allowing 10 year olds play the game and not get his feelings hurt. In essence, you couldn't do what you liked with your server if it conflicted with the ROE. Like pistol only servers. On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Timothy L Havener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not argue the point? If you are going to make such a ludicrous statement please back it up with logic. So I pay for a server for my friends and I to play on or just for the heck of it and I should have no say as to what goes on? Who in their right mind would waste the time? If Valve wants to control the gaming experience so some ten year old doesn't get his feelings hurt then let them pay for their own servers. I am not going to pay for them to have a place for other people to play where I have no say. Everyone is afraid of the big bad admin. Do this and see how quickly you have no community and no where to play. Leonard L. Church wrote: I am serious Spencer. I know we don't agree on allot of things and this appears to be another one, so let's kindly not argue the point. Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: You can't be serious. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:40 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking Personally, I think that if you open up your server to the public (and you are by listing on the lobby server), then your rights go out the window as far as you never being kicked or choosing what things get voted on. I think this would be a step backwards as abusive admins can just sit and wait for people to join up, grief them until they leave, then wait for them to rejoin. Valve, please don't do this. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit:
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the word of the lord. praise be to valve. Erik Johnson wrote: This is in the realm of a non constructive thread. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy L Havener Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:37 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking It really frightens me that kids are growing up with this unrealistic belief that everything is supposed to be fair to the point they cannot take the rejection of being kicked from a game server. Life isn't fair. Pick yourself up and dust yourself off and just find another server Cc2iscooL wrote: Even though I consider voogru generally annoying... ;) He does have a point. You own the server, you own the rights to do whatever you want and enforce whatever rules you want. Period. If you don't like the way admins run their servers, start up a listen server and bitch to the people that join and then complain that the game is laggy. :) On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mob ftw. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:44 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking I seriously don't want to argue the point more then I already did. It appears other server operators feel differently and the mob will rule on this one. Comparing a rented server to your house or nightclub is silly. Also, comparing kicking someone equaling murder is also silly. Decide what you want. I'm out of the L4D game. Timothy L Havener wrote: So Valve is going to go down that road and blacklist the IP of anyone who kicks someone unfairly? Besides that is also only for ranked servers. There are unranked servers that do not have those rules and you can do as you please. J T wrote: Battlefiedl 2 ROE was a means of allowing 10 year olds play the game and not get his feelings hurt. In essence, you couldn't do what you liked with your server if it conflicted with the ROE. Like pistol only servers. On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Timothy L Havener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not argue the point? If you are going to make such a ludicrous statement please back it up with logic. So I pay for a server for my friends and I to play on or just for the heck of it and I should have no say as to what goes on? Who in their right mind would waste the time? If Valve wants to control the gaming experience so some ten year old doesn't get his feelings hurt then let them pay for their own servers. I am not going to pay for them to have a place for other people to play where I have no say. Everyone is afraid of the big bad admin. Do this and see how quickly you have no community and no where to play. Leonard L. Church wrote: I am serious Spencer. I know we don't agree on allot of things and this appears to be another one, so let's kindly not argue the point. Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: You can't be serious. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:40 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking Personally, I think that if you open up your server to the public (and you are by listing on the lobby server), then your rights go out the window as far as you never being kicked or choosing what things get voted on. I think this would be a step backwards as abusive admins can just sit and wait for people to join up, grief them until they leave, then wait for them to rejoin. Valve, please don't do this. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit:
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I highly doubt these so called restrictions were put in place because of your little scenario... We've been down this road before, please try and move FORWARD. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy L Havener Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:56 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking You have to see it from the point of view from those of us who host servers. We bust our asses trying to build a community and fun environment for people to play your games. Some little kid with mommy issues complains about being kicked and kicks up a fuss and his opinion is considered valid enough to warrant restrictions being placed on us. Its a bit frustrating... You let them vent and you hear their voices...hear ours...please. Erik Johnson wrote: This is in the realm of a non constructive thread. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy L Havener Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:37 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking It really frightens me that kids are growing up with this unrealistic belief that everything is supposed to be fair to the point they cannot take the rejection of being kicked from a game server. Life isn't fair. Pick yourself up and dust yourself off and just find another server Cc2iscooL wrote: Even though I consider voogru generally annoying... ;) He does have a point. You own the server, you own the rights to do whatever you want and enforce whatever rules you want. Period. If you don't like the way admins run their servers, start up a listen server and bitch to the people that join and then complain that the game is laggy. :) On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mob ftw. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:44 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking I seriously don't want to argue the point more then I already did. It appears other server operators feel differently and the mob will rule on this one. Comparing a rented server to your house or nightclub is silly. Also, comparing kicking someone equaling murder is also silly. Decide what you want. I'm out of the L4D game. Timothy L Havener wrote: So Valve is going to go down that road and blacklist the IP of anyone who kicks someone unfairly? Besides that is also only for ranked servers. There are unranked servers that do not have those rules and you can do as you please. J T wrote: Battlefiedl 2 ROE was a means of allowing 10 year olds play the game and not get his feelings hurt. In essence, you couldn't do what you liked with your server if it conflicted with the ROE. Like pistol only servers. On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Timothy L Havener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not argue the point? If you are going to make such a ludicrous statement please back it up with logic. So I pay for a server for my friends and I to play on or just for the heck of it and I should have no say as to what goes on? Who in their right mind would waste the time? If Valve wants to control the gaming experience so some ten year old doesn't get his feelings hurt then let them pay for their own servers. I am not going to pay for them to have a place for other people to play where I have no say. Everyone is afraid of the big bad admin. Do this and see how quickly you have no community and no where to play. Leonard L. Church wrote: I am serious Spencer. I know we don't agree on allot of things and this appears to be another one, so let's kindly not argue the point. Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: You can't be serious. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:40 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking Personally, I think that if you open up your server to the public (and you are by listing on the lobby server), then your rights go out the window as far as you never being kicked or choosing what things get voted on. I think this would be a step backwards as abusive admins can just sit and wait for people to join up, grief them until they leave, then wait for them to rejoin. Valve, please don't do this. ___ To
Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking
Tell me about it. I've been running my community for just over a year now and have had to deal with these issues a many times where a client thinks that because they own the game that they somehow own the server they're playing on. They're the most fun to ban, because they always make a ruckus and usually end up making a fool of themselves. :D On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Timothy L Havener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have to see it from the point of view from those of us who host servers. We bust our asses trying to build a community and fun environment for people to play your games. Some little kid with mommy issues complains about being kicked and kicks up a fuss and his opinion is considered valid enough to warrant restrictions being placed on us. Its a bit frustrating... You let them vent and you hear their voices...hear ours...please. Erik Johnson wrote: This is in the realm of a non constructive thread. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy L Havener Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:37 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking It really frightens me that kids are growing up with this unrealistic belief that everything is supposed to be fair to the point they cannot take the rejection of being kicked from a game server. Life isn't fair. Pick yourself up and dust yourself off and just find another server Cc2iscooL wrote: Even though I consider voogru generally annoying... ;) He does have a point. You own the server, you own the rights to do whatever you want and enforce whatever rules you want. Period. If you don't like the way admins run their servers, start up a listen server and bitch to the people that join and then complain that the game is laggy. :) On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mob ftw. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:44 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking I seriously don't want to argue the point more then I already did. It appears other server operators feel differently and the mob will rule on this one. Comparing a rented server to your house or nightclub is silly. Also, comparing kicking someone equaling murder is also silly. Decide what you want. I'm out of the L4D game. Timothy L Havener wrote: So Valve is going to go down that road and blacklist the IP of anyone who kicks someone unfairly? Besides that is also only for ranked servers. There are unranked servers that do not have those rules and you can do as you please. J T wrote: Battlefiedl 2 ROE was a means of allowing 10 year olds play the game and not get his feelings hurt. In essence, you couldn't do what you liked with your server if it conflicted with the ROE. Like pistol only servers. On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Timothy L Havener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not argue the point? If you are going to make such a ludicrous statement please back it up with logic. So I pay for a server for my friends and I to play on or just for the heck of it and I should have no say as to what goes on? Who in their right mind would waste the time? If Valve wants to control the gaming experience so some ten year old doesn't get his feelings hurt then let them pay for their own servers. I am not going to pay for them to have a place for other people to play where I have no say. Everyone is afraid of the big bad admin. Do this and see how quickly you have no community and no where to play. Leonard L. Church wrote: I am serious Spencer. I know we don't agree on allot of things and this appears to be another one, so let's kindly not argue the point. Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: You can't be serious. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:40 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking Personally, I think that if you open up your server to the public (and you are by listing on the lobby server), then your rights go out the window as far as you never being kicked or choosing what things get voted on. I think this would be a step backwards as abusive admins can just sit and wait for people to join up, grief them until they leave, then wait for them to rejoin. Valve, please don't do this. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences,
Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking
Has valve had any objections or word about what's going on over at the sourcemod forums http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=65296 in regards to getting l4d working with metamod:source and then sourcemod? As usual this should take care of most/all of these admin problems people seem to be mentioning. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Johnson Sent: Friday, 14 November 2008 8:44 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking This is in the realm of a non constructive thread. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy L Havener Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:37 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking It really frightens me that kids are growing up with this unrealistic belief that everything is supposed to be fair to the point they cannot take the rejection of being kicked from a game server. Life isn't fair. Pick yourself up and dust yourself off and just find another server Cc2iscooL wrote: Even though I consider voogru generally annoying... ;) He does have a point. You own the server, you own the rights to do whatever you want and enforce whatever rules you want. Period. If you don't like the way admins run their servers, start up a listen server and bitch to the people that join and then complain that the game is laggy. :) On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mob ftw. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:44 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking I seriously don't want to argue the point more then I already did. It appears other server operators feel differently and the mob will rule on this one. Comparing a rented server to your house or nightclub is silly. Also, comparing kicking someone equaling murder is also silly. Decide what you want. I'm out of the L4D game. Timothy L Havener wrote: So Valve is going to go down that road and blacklist the IP of anyone who kicks someone unfairly? Besides that is also only for ranked servers. There are unranked servers that do not have those rules and you can do as you please. J T wrote: Battlefiedl 2 ROE was a means of allowing 10 year olds play the game and not get his feelings hurt. In essence, you couldn't do what you liked with your server if it conflicted with the ROE. Like pistol only servers. On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Timothy L Havener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not argue the point? If you are going to make such a ludicrous statement please back it up with logic. So I pay for a server for my friends and I to play on or just for the heck of it and I should have no say as to what goes on? Who in their right mind would waste the time? If Valve wants to control the gaming experience so some ten year old doesn't get his feelings hurt then let them pay for their own servers. I am not going to pay for them to have a place for other people to play where I have no say. Everyone is afraid of the big bad admin. Do this and see how quickly you have no community and no where to play. Leonard L. Church wrote: I am serious Spencer. I know we don't agree on allot of things and this appears to be another one, so let's kindly not argue the point. Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: You can't be serious. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:40 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking Personally, I think that if you open up your server to the public (and you are by listing on the lobby server), then your rights go out the window as far as you never being kicked or choosing what things get voted on. I think this would be a step backwards as abusive admins can just sit and wait for people to join up, grief them until they leave, then wait for them to rejoin. Valve, please don't do this. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view
Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking
Personally I see it as the guy who pays the bill makes the rules (Including who does, and doesn't get kicked). The community will vote with their feet if admins are too draconian. We've got some fairly strict rules on what you can and can't do on our public servers. We even have a bot that parses chat text and instant bans those that mention common cheat phrases and porn/shock sites. Sure we get some criticism from the community but the majority love the fact that our servers are essentially tard free. If you build it, they will come and all that :) -- Matt Lyons (Bsc CS Soft Eng) Content Administrator, Internode Systems 150 Grenfell St, Adelaide SA 5000 Ph: (08) 8228 2877 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: www.internode.com.au In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; In practice, there is. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Internet tard free? No...it's certainly not possible. I've done my best and yet still they come...and by they I mean the tards. :( On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 7:50 PM, Matt Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I see it as the guy who pays the bill makes the rules (Including who does, and doesn't get kicked). The community will vote with their feet if admins are too draconian. We've got some fairly strict rules on what you can and can't do on our public servers. We even have a bot that parses chat text and instant bans those that mention common cheat phrases and porn/shock sites. Sure we get some criticism from the community but the majority love the fact that our servers are essentially tard free. If you build it, they will come and all that :) -- Matt Lyons (Bsc CS Soft Eng) Content Administrator, Internode Systems 150 Grenfell St, Adelaide SA 5000 Ph: (08) 8228 2877 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: www.internode.com.au In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; In practice, there is. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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I couldn't agree more. Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:43:34 -0800 From: Erik Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is in the realm of a non constructive thread. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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As well as a lot of other posts over the years unfortunately. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Johnson Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:44 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking This is in the realm of a non constructive thread. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3612 (20081113) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Sent Via http://www.gorillazsouth.com mail server. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] L4D Versus mode.
Just to confirm, as I've seen conflicting information floating about, and not paid that much attention. Is versus mode supported on all of the campaigns, or just a couple of them? Cheers, Berk ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] L4D Versus mode.
only blood harvest and no mercy campaigns On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Kitteny Berk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to confirm, as I've seen conflicting information floating about, and not paid that much attention. Is versus mode supported on all of the campaigns, or just a couple of them? Cheers, Berk ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] hosts.txt clarification
Can someone clarify hosts.txt for me? I've tied both: 1) URL of the banner 2) URL of web page containing only the banner and both are just showing a white box. What am I doing wrong? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Sounds like you're doing it right to me...what image type are you using and what's your HTML code? On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Jonah Hirsch [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Can someone clarify hosts.txt for me? I've tied both: 1) URL of the banner 2) URL of web page containing only the banner and both are just showing a white box. What am I doing wrong? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] hosts.txt clarification
Figured out the problem. Kaspersky was blocking the image because it is called banner.png I'll just whitelist the site. :P Cc2iscooL wrote: Sounds like you're doing it right to me...what image type are you using and what's your HTML code? On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Jonah Hirsch [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Can someone clarify hosts.txt for me? I've tied both: 1) URL of the banner 2) URL of web page containing only the banner and both are just showing a white box. What am I doing wrong? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Whoops. Might want to change that so other Kaspersky users don't have the same problem, though. :) On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 11:00 PM, Jonah Hirsch [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Figured out the problem. Kaspersky was blocking the image because it is called banner.png I'll just whitelist the site. :P Cc2iscooL wrote: Sounds like you're doing it right to me...what image type are you using and what's your HTML code? On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Jonah Hirsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone clarify hosts.txt for me? I've tied both: 1) URL of the banner 2) URL of web page containing only the banner and both are just showing a white box. What am I doing wrong? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] HLDS L4D, 2 full versions?
So I noticed when running -game list on the hlds tool, obviously it lists the demo. But now I see that there is a l4d_full and also left4dead as well. Anyone know what the difference is? In the mean time I guess I'll download it to a different directory and compare. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] HLDS L4D, 2 full versions?
Checking bootstrapper version ... ** 'game' options for Source DS Install: Counter-Strike Source ageofchivalry diprip dods garrysmod hl2mp insurgency l4d_demo left4dead synergy tf zps Interesting. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/l4d] steam -command update -game left4dead -dir server2 Checking bootstrapper version ... Updating Installation No installation record found at server2/l4d_demo No installation record found at server2 Checking/Installing 'left4dead demo base' version 6 0.05% server2/l4d_demo\bin\adminserver.dll 0.06% server2/l4d_demo\bin\binkw32.dll 0.07% server2/l4d_demo\bin\bugreporter.dll 0.08% server2/l4d_demo\bin\bugreporter_public.dll 0.10% server2/l4d_demo\bin\datacache.dll 0.14% server2/l4d_demo\bin\datacache_i486.so 0.20% server2/l4d_demo\bin\dedicated.dll Looks like its the full version. On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 9:22 PM, L L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I noticed when running -game list on the hlds tool, obviously it lists the demo. But now I see that there is a l4d_full and also left4dead as well. Anyone know what the difference is? In the mean time I guess I'll download it to a different directory and compare. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] hosts.txt clarification
Yeah, I ended up just renaming the file. :P Cc2iscooL wrote: Whoops. Might want to change that so other Kaspersky users don't have the same problem, though. :) On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 11:00 PM, Jonah Hirsch [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Figured out the problem. Kaspersky was blocking the image because it is called banner.png I'll just whitelist the site. :P Cc2iscooL wrote: Sounds like you're doing it right to me...what image type are you using and what's your HTML code? On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Jonah Hirsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone clarify hosts.txt for me? I've tied both: 1) URL of the banner 2) URL of web page containing only the banner and both are just showing a white box. What am I doing wrong? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] HLDS L4D, 2 full versions?
I do not see l4d_full Checking bootstrapper version ... ** 'game' options for Source DS Install: Counter-Strike Source ageofchivalry diprip dods garrysmod hl2mp insurgency l4d_demo left4dead synergy tf zps L L wrote: So I noticed when running -game list on the hlds tool, obviously it lists the demo. But now I see that there is a l4d_full and also left4dead as well. Anyone know what the difference is? In the mean time I guess I'll download it to a different directory and compare. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] HLDS L4D, 2 full versions?
Hm... l4d_full isn't in the list, but it installs. I guess that's the full one. L L wrote: So I noticed when running -game list on the hlds tool, obviously it lists the demo. But now I see that there is a l4d_full and also left4dead as well. Anyone know what the difference is? In the mean time I guess I'll download it to a different directory and compare. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] HLDS L4D, 2 full versions?
Guess they took l4d_full out, I saw it earlier and installed it. But the left4dead is just a demo, wonder whats different... oh well. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
