Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
Hello. Apparently this is still disabled in CS:S (for good reason). The ConVar (sv_noroundstats) was removed from CS:GO, and we're seeing the same problem there as well. Can we please have the ConVar (sv_noroundstats) added back to the CS:GO CCSGameStats::UploadRoundStats function? Here's the same hack for CS:GO (Thanks to Drifter): https://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?p=1796226 Thanks, Kyle. On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Jason Ruymen jas...@valvesoftware.com wrote: A required update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available. The specific changes include: - Disabled stats reporting on both the client and the server by default until the reporting problems are solved Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
lol. Thanks, Kyle. On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Jason Ruymen jas...@valvesoftware.comwrote: A required update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available. The specific changes include: - Disabled stats reporting on both the client and the server by default until the reporting problems are solved Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
And for the technical folks on these lists, UploadRoundStats will still be called, it just won't do anything. As always, if you're having any problems, post about it on the list. If you were running a server plugin to disable stats reporting, please remove it as it should no longer be necessary. -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Jason Ruymen Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 4:19 PM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list'; 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'; 'hlds_annou...@list.valvesoftware.com' Subject: [hlds_linux] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released A required update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available. The specific changes include: - Disabled stats reporting on both the client and the server by default until the reporting problems are solved Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
didn't this exact same thing happen with tf2 a few years ago? Seems like Deja vu all over again. On 9/17/2011 7:26 PM, Tony Paloma wrote: And for the technical folks on these lists, UploadRoundStats will still be called, it just won't do anything. As always, if you're having any problems, post about it on the list. If you were running a server plugin to disable stats reporting, please remove it as it should no longer be necessary. -Original Message- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Jason Ruymen Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 4:19 PM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list'; 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'; 'hlds_annou...@list.valvesoftware.com' Subject: [hlds_linux] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released A required update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available. The specific changes include: - Disabled stats reporting on both the client and the server by default until the reporting problems are solved Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
Thank you for releasing a bug fix update on the weekend. It is much appreciated. Furthermore thank you for making it required as most servers would not bother otherwise. On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:18 PM, Jason Ruymen jas...@valvesoftware.comwrote: A required update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available. The specific changes include: - Disabled stats reporting on both the client and the server by default until the reporting problems are solved Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
steam server sucks Le 30/10/2010 00:09, Jason Ruymen a écrit : A required update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available. The specific changes include: - Fixed performance issues and memory leaks related to scoreboard display. - Fixed long-standing bug in which a player would see another player in a grenade-throwing animation when they no longer had a grenade as their active weapon. - Fixed animation problem (crab walk) caused by aborting bomb plant by using the drop command. - Fixed several ragdoll animation problems related to cl_minmodels. - Fixed several crashes that could be caused by user modified .res files. - Run sounds are no longer heard from players walking with the Scout equipped. - Player's last match stats will no longer be updated if the player did not actually participate in the match (e.g. only spectated). - Flagged bot_mimic and bot_flipout as CHEAT vars. - Fixed Cold War achievement so that it now requires the correct number of opposing players. - Fixed hud_showtargetid; added hud_showtargetpos for setting the on-screen location of the targeted. - Fixed bug in which the client camera would jump to another player if the player died when mp_fadetoblack is enabled. - Removed extraneous/incorrect help text for nightvision goggles. - Fixed bug in which the spectator UI would disappear after a mode switch or similar renderer change. - Changed the size of the bomb icon on the spectator UI Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
Fantastic... -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Jason Ruymen Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 7:25 PM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list'; 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'; 'hlds_annou...@list.valvesoftware.com' Subject: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released A required update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available. The specific changes are: - Fixed incorrect distance on flashbang effect. - Reverted changes to de_inferno and de_nuke. Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5510 (20101006) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
Yay. More updates. :D On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Formologic23 formologi...@cynicalgamers.com wrote: Fantastic... -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Jason Ruymen Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 7:25 PM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list'; 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'; 'hlds_annou...@list.valvesoftware.com' Subject: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released A required update for Counter-Strike: Source is now available. The specific changes are: - Fixed incorrect distance on flashbang effect. - Reverted changes to de_inferno and de_nuke. Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5510 (20101006) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
No one will abuse that, trust ne ;-/ On Aug 24, 2010 9:20 PM, gmail janp...@gmail.com wrote: Make alt+tab Map change cs_office to de_nuke Return in game and have a free whall hack http://img245.imageshack.us/g/denuke0002a.jpg/ nice update (ati 5870 + catalyst 10.7 + seven 64) -Message d'origine- De : hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] De la part de Jason Ruymen Envoyé : mercredi 25 août 2010 00:46 À : 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list'; 'hlds@list.valvesoftware.com'; 'hlds_annou...@list.valvesoftware.com' Objet : [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released Required updates to Counter-Strike: Source are now available. The specific changes include: - Add... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
Ne, This means valve will have to put some effort in to fixing the alt+tab bug that's in every source game. My guess is this bug will be around for years. Enjoy the free hacks! Allan -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of HL-SDK Synths Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:36 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released No one will abuse that, trust ne ;-/ On Aug 24, 2010 9:20 PM, gmail janp...@gmail.com wrote: Make alt+tab Map change cs_office to de_nuke Return in game and have a free whall hack http://img245.imageshack.us/g/denuke0002a.jpg/ nice update (ati 5870 + catalyst 10.7 + seven 64) -Message d'origine- De : hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] De la part de Jason Ruymen Envoyé : mercredi 25 août 2010 00:46 À : 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list'; 'hlds@list.valvesoftware.com'; 'hlds_annou...@list.valvesoftware.com' Objet : [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released Required updates to Counter-Strike: Source are now available. The specific changes include: - Add... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
Admit, I sold this top dollar! On Aug 25, 2010 6:16 PM, Allan Button abut...@netaccess.ca wrote: Ne, This means valve will have to put some effort in to fixing the alt+tab bug that's in every source game. My guess is this bug will be around for years. Enjoy the free hacks! Allan -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valv... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view ... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
Make alt+tab Map change cs_office to de_nuke Return in game and have a free whall hack http://img245.imageshack.us/g/denuke0002a.jpg/ nice update (ati 5870 + catalyst 10.7 + seven 64) -Message d'origine- De : hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] De la part de Jason Ruymen Envoyé : mercredi 25 août 2010 00:46 À : 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list'; 'hlds@list.valvesoftware.com'; 'hlds_annou...@list.valvesoftware.com' Objet : [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released Required updates to Counter-Strike: Source are now available. The specific changes include: - Added a new server ConVar sv_competitive_minspec that enforces the following restrictions on clients when set to 1: - r_drawdetailprops 1 - r_staticprop_lod (-1 to 3) - fps_max minimum 60 (or 0) - cl_detailfade minimum 400 - cl_detaildist minimum 1200 - cl_interp (0 to 0.031) - cl_interp_ratio (1 to 2) - Fixed ragdolls popping when using mp_fadetoblack 1 - Fixed a buffer overrun exploit that could be used to attack/crash servers. - Fixed a crash at startup when no sound emitter scripts were loaded. - Fixed a crash that could happen if a custom model was loaded with missing materials. - Fixed a crashed related to alt-tab. - Fixed a potential crash in the shaders. - Fixed a crash when running custom maps with missing model files - Removed the client console commands mat_supress and mat_debug Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
Im guessing its optional for all other games. On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Jason Ruymen jas...@valvesoftware.comwrote: A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has been released. Please use hldsupdatetool to receive the update. The specific changes include: Engine: - Tuned thread initialization to improve performance on CPUs with more than four cores Counter-Strike: Source: - Fixed leftover shadows when ragdoll physics are disabled - Added stats gathering to track client and server performance - Added instrumentation to help debug network issues - Disabled some unsupported threading convars Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
i thought it was a client side update for tf2/css/dods, since it said 'engine' and css was the only one that had a server side change. On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 5:07 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.comwrote: Im guessing its optional for all other games. On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Jason Ruymen jas...@valvesoftware.com wrote: A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has been released. Please use hldsupdatetool to receive the update. The specific changes include: Engine: - Tuned thread initialization to improve performance on CPUs with more than four cores Counter-Strike: Source: - Fixed leftover shadows when ragdoll physics are disabled - Added stats gathering to track client and server performance - Added instrumentation to help debug network issues - Disabled some unsupported threading convars Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
Whenever there is an engine update, it affects CSS, TF2 and DODS but it is not required untill a mandatory update arrives to any of these games. This time it was required only for CSS, not for TF2 and DODS so there is no need to update your TF2 and DODS servers, untill an update arrives for them. I'm guessing TF2 will have and update soon, perhaps even today due to the Polycount contest winners. -ics 16.7.2010 1:16, Shizzle Nizzle kirjoitti: i thought it was a client side update for tf2/css/dods, since it said 'engine' and css was the only one that had a server side change. On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 5:07 PM, DontWannaName!ad...@topnotchclan.comwrote: Im guessing its optional for all other games. On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Jason Ruymenjas...@valvesoftware.com wrote: A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has been released. Please use hldsupdatetool to receive the update. The specific changes include: Engine: - Tuned thread initialization to improve performance on CPUs with more than four cores Counter-Strike: Source: - Fixed leftover shadows when ragdoll physics are disabled - Added stats gathering to track client and server performance - Added instrumentation to help debug network issues - Disabled some unsupported threading convars Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
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I would be very careful using statements like hence why Mani
Matti and general purpose plugins all have no problem using the provided
API as this is absolutely incorrect... As stated thousands of times by
plugin creators, the problem is that you can not accomplish lost of
general tasks without hacking into the game.
Also, even the page with Valve's requirements for admin plugin contains
stuff that simply can not be implemented in legal way using Valve provided
tools (khm, khm, try to implement slap feature in Source)...
Cheers,
Newbie
-Original Message-
From: Wim Barelds [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:15:56 +0100
Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
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VALVe has no obligation what-so-ever to even support server plugins, the
fact that they do, and provide their own API for doing so is a large plus.
The API is actually useful for most of any general purposes (hence why Mani
Matti and general purpose plugins all have no problem using the provided
API). As for the people that want to hack into the game down to it's roots,
that's not VALVe problem.
On 12/12/06, artiecs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yeah i did fix the gameinfo.txt, but servers wouldn't boot with the MM
startup line in there (with all plugins disabled in the MM config). Got
the
new version now and it seems to be running good.
Artie
- Original Message -
From: Dan E [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
Updates always replace the gameinfo.txt file, so you
have to remember to put the GameBin line back in there
so that MM loads correctly after an update. And Bailo
released it, so far so good :) w00t.
Dan
--- artiecs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It breaks Source Metamod, at least on 2 of our
servers that were running it,
one of which was a Gungame server so that's hosed.
Valve would you PLEASE make that god forsaken POS
API in Source and make it
something usefull so that people will actually use
it. It's getting old
having to troubleshoot and fix servers everytime
there's an update. Broken
servers for what?? Broken so that 3 pistols can be
stronger and the leaf
quality in Militia can be improved!! What a sad
joke, and we're the
punchline. How I long for the old days when updates
came once every 6
months.
Here's an idea.How about not messing with the
leafs in Militia, cause
noone gives a shit what they look likeand
instead make the API usefull.
Yeah yeah I know, I'm askin for way too much here.
Artie
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From: {MDA} Spotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 6:12 PM
Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update
Released
Does it break mani?!?!?!
Sorry!
Spotta
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Behalf Of Jason Ruymen
Sent: 11 December 2006 22:40
To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com;
hlds@list.valvesoftware.com;
hlds_announce@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update
Released
A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has
been released. Please
run hldsupdatetool to get the update. The
specific changes include:
Counter-Strike: Source:
- Increased ES57, Compact 228 and Dual Elites
damage by 25%
- Lowered allowed number of dropped weapons in a
level to prevent gun
spamming
- Updated foliage quality in cs_militia
Jason
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RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
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The update breaks Zombie Mod as well. The author is off the net and so no he
recons he won't get a fix out until the 16th (see
http://www.zombiemod.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8751#post875).
I recon the first Ad Valve should run in-game should be Wanted : patch testing
service !!!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds]
Counter-Strike: Source Update Released Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 22:41:25
-0500 It breaks Source Metamod, at least on 2 of our servers that were
running it, one of which was a Gungame server so that's hosed. Valve
would you PLEASE make that god forsaken POS API in Source and make it
something usefull so that people will actually use it. It's getting old
having to troubleshoot and fix servers everytime there's an update. Broken
servers for what?? Broken so that 3 pistols can be stronger and the leaf
quality in Militia can be improved!! What a sad joke, and we're the
punchline. How I long for the old days when updates came once every 6
months. Here's an idea.How about not messing with the leafs in
Militia, cause noone gives a shit what they look likeand instead make
the API usefull. Yeah yeah I know, I'm askin for way too much here.
Artie - Original Message - From: {MDA} Spotta [EMAIL
PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, December 11,
2006 6:12 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
Does it break mani?!?!?! Sorry! Spotta -Original
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jason Ruymen Sent: 11 December 2006 22:40 To:
hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com; hlds@list.valvesoftware.com;
hlds_announce@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] Counter-Strike:
Source Update Released A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has
been released. Please run hldsupdatetool to get the update. The specific
changes include: Counter-Strike: Source: - Increased ES57, Compact
228 and Dual Elites damage by 25% - Lowered allowed number of dropped
weapons in a level to prevent gun spamming - Updated foliage quality in
cs_militia Jason
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RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
Yawn. Here we go again. Spotta. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wim Barelds Sent: 12 December 2006 08:16 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] VALVe has no obligation what-so-ever to even support server plugins, the fact that they do, and provide their own API for doing so is a large plus. The API is actually useful for most of any general purposes (hence why Mani Matti and general purpose plugins all have no problem using the provided API). As for the people that want to hack into the game down to it's roots, that's not VALVe problem. istinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Mod developers have no obligation what-so-ever to improve Valves products by
adding features and customisations people want and like which improve the sales
and reputation of Valves products, and server operators have no obligation
what-so-ever to operate servers which allow Valves products to be used by
Valves customers.
Now do you really think that people are going to keep buying, supporting, and
helping improve Valves products by developing mods and running servers when
their efforts get wiped out when an update happens?
Every time Valve breaks things which affect the servers Vavles customers play
on they Valve loose out in terms of reputation and user base. I personally envy
the CS 1.6 guys, at least they know what they have, where as the CS : S
community have things which may not be there tomorrow. With all this in mind is
it any wonder Valve can't get people to move en-masse from CS 1.6 to CS : S?
After the fun I've seen with Valves attitude towards mods and server
operators I'd be surprised if they see another big hit in the same league as CS
: S because the technical people who can operate servers for their next big
game will just think Do I want more cr*p like I have with the CS : S
server nahhh.
To sum up, it's true have no obligation to support server plugins, but in the
long run they loose out the most by not doing so.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds]
Counter-Strike: Source Update Released Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:15:56
+0100 -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] VALVe has no
obligation what-so-ever to even support server plugins, the fact that they
do, and provide their own API for doing so is a large plus. The API is
actually useful for most of any general purposes (hence why Mani Matti and
general purpose plugins all have no problem using the provided API). As
for the people that want to hack into the game down to it's roots, that's
not VALVe problem. On 12/12/06, artiecs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yeah i did fix the gameinfo.txt, but servers wouldn't boot with the MM
startup line in there (with all plugins disabled in the MM config). Got
the new version now and it seems to be running good. Artie
- Original Message - From: Dan E [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released Updates
always replace the gameinfo.txt file, so you have to remember to put the
GameBin line back in there so that MM loads correctly after an update.
And Bailo released it, so far so good :) w00t. Dan
--- artiecs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It breaks Source Metamod,
at least on 2 of ourservers that were running it,one of which
was a Gungame server so that's hosed. Valve would you PLEASE
make that god forsaken POSAPI in Source and make itsomething
usefull so that people will actually useit. It's getting old
having to troubleshoot and fix servers everytimethere's an update.
Brokenservers for what?? Broken so that 3 pistols can be
stronger and the leafquality in Militia can be improved!! What a sad
joke, and we're thepunchline. How I long for the old days when
updatescame once every 6months. Here's an
idea.How about not messing with theleafs in Militia, cause
noone gives a shit what they look likeandinstead make the API
usefull.Yeah yeah I know, I'm askin for way too much here.
Artie - Original Message -From:
{MDA} Spotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 6:12 PMSubject: RE: [hlds]
Counter-Strike: Source UpdateReleased Does it
break mani?!?!?! Sorry! Spotta
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OnBehalf Of Jason Ruymen Sent: 11
December 2006 22:40 To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com;
hlds@list.valvesoftware.com; hlds_announce@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source UpdateReleased
A required update for Counter-Strike: Source hasbeen
released. Please run hldsupdatetool to get the update. The
specific changes include: Counter-Strike: Source:
- Increased ES57, Compact 228 and Dual Elitesdamage by 25% -
Lowered allowed number of dropped weapons in alevel to prevent gun
spamming - Updated foliage quality in cs_militia
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RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
This is all just yet another reason why VALVe should run a non-interactive
pre-release beta for CS:S
Plugin developers never have and never will stick to the API. Equally,
blaming VALVe doesn't get us anywhere.
It is no realistic to say Blame the plugin developers and deal with it -
We won't deal with it, because we shouldn't have to deal with it. There is a
simple solution to all of this. Valve just runs a pre-release beta and that
way the plugin developers and server operators would have ample time to
patch their software against any VALVe update.
Cheers,
Chris Barnett
U75CLAN.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gigabit Nick
Sent: 12 December 2006 10:33
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
--
[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
Mod developers have no obligation what-so-ever to improve Valves products by
adding features and customisations people want and like which improve the
sales and reputation of Valves products, and server operators have no
obligation what-so-ever to operate servers which allow Valves products to be
used by Valves customers.
Now do you really think that people are going to keep buying, supporting,
and helping improve Valves products by developing mods and running servers
when their efforts get wiped out when an update happens?
Every time Valve breaks things which affect the servers Vavles customers
play on they Valve loose out in terms of reputation and user base. I
personally envy the CS 1.6 guys, at least they know what they have, where as
the CS : S community have things which may not be there tomorrow. With all
this in mind is it any wonder Valve can't get people to move en-masse from
CS 1.6 to CS : S?
After the fun I've seen with Valves attitude towards mods and server
operators I'd be surprised if they see another big hit in the same league as
CS : S because the technical people who can operate servers for their next
big game will just think Do I want more cr*p like I have with the CS : S
server nahhh.
To sum up, it's true have no obligation to support server plugins, but in
the long run they loose out the most by not doing so.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released Date: Tue, 12
Dec 2006 09:15:56 +0100 -- [ Picked text/plain from
multipart/alternative ] VALVe has no obligation what-so-ever to even
support server plugins, the fact that they do, and provide their own API
for doing so is a large plus. The API is actually useful for most of any
general purposes (hence why Mani Matti and general purpose plugins all
have no problem using the provided API). As for the people that want to
hack into the game down to it's roots, that's not VALVe problem. On
12/12/06, artiecs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah i did fix the
gameinfo.txt, but servers wouldn't boot with the MM startup line in there
(with all plugins disabled in the MM config). Got the new version now
and it seems to be running good. Artie - Original Message
- From: Dan E [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
Updates always replace the gameinfo.txt file, so you have to remember
to put the GameBin line back in there so that MM loads correctly after
an update. And Bailo released it, so far so good :) w00t.
Dan --- artiecs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It breaks
Source Metamod, at least on 2 of ourservers that were running it,
one of which was a Gungame server so that's hosed. Valve
would you PLEASE make that god forsaken POSAPI in Source and make
itsomething usefull so that people will actually useit. It's
getting oldhaving to troubleshoot and fix servers everytime
there's an update. Brokenservers for what?? Broken so that 3 pistols
can bestronger and the leafquality in Militia can be
improved!! What a sadjoke, and we're thepunchline. How I
long for the old days when updatescame once every 6months.
Here's an idea.How about not messing with theleafs
in Militia, causenoone gives a shit what they look likeand
instead make the API usefull.Yeah yeah I know, I'm askin for way
too much here. Artie - Original
Message -From: {MDA} Spotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.comSent: Monday, December 11, 2006
6:12 PMSubject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update
Released Does it break mani?!?!?!
Sorry! Spotta -Original
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OnBehalf Of Jason Ruymen
Sent: 11 December 2006 22:40 To:
hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com;hlds@list.valvesoftware.com;
hlds_announce@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds]
Counter-Strike
RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
Artie,
The short term easy solution would be for VALVe to simply run a pre-release
beta. That way for the plugin developers, it's business as usual, except
that the plugin developers will be able to patch their plugins for the next
version of CS:S and we'll be able to patch our servers and the downtime will
be minutes rather than hours or days.
Chris.
U75CLAN
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of artiecs
Sent: 12 December 2006 03:41
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
It breaks Source Metamod, at least on 2 of our servers that were running it,
one of which was a Gungame server so that's hosed.
Valve would you PLEASE make that god forsaken POS API in Source and make it
something usefull so that people will actually use it. It's getting old
having to troubleshoot and fix servers everytime there's an update. Broken
servers for what?? Broken so that 3 pistols can be stronger and the leaf
quality in Militia can be improved!! What a sad joke, and we're the
punchline. How I long for the old days when updates came once every 6
months.
Here's an idea.How about not messing with the leafs in Militia, cause
noone gives a shit what they look likeand instead make the API usefull.
Yeah yeah I know, I'm askin for way too much here.
Artie
- Original Message -
From: {MDA} Spotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 6:12 PM
Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
Does it break mani?!?!?!
Sorry!
Spotta
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Ruymen
Sent: 11 December 2006 22:40
To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com; hlds@list.valvesoftware.com;
hlds_announce@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has been released. Please
run hldsupdatetool to get the update. The specific changes include:
Counter-Strike: Source:
- Increased ES57, Compact 228 and Dual Elites damage by 25%
- Lowered allowed number of dropped weapons in a level to prevent gun
spamming
- Updated foliage quality in cs_militia
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I agree with the part that Valve has no obligation to support server plugins, but if you think Mani doesn't use a ton of hacks your way off. Just about anything besides recording stats, kicking, or banning someone requires more than the provided plugin interface. The nice little menus you see on the left of your screen, the weapon restrictions, and nearly every other function use these other methods. On 12/12/06, Wim Barelds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] VALVe has no obligation what-so-ever to even support server plugins, the fact that they do, and provide their own API for doing so is a large plus. The API is actually useful for most of any general purposes (hence why Mani Matti and general purpose plugins all have no problem using the provided API). As for the people that want to hack into the game down to it's roots, that's not VALVe problem. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
Does it break mani?!?!?! Sorry! Spotta -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Ruymen Sent: 11 December 2006 22:40 To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com; hlds@list.valvesoftware.com; hlds_announce@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has been released. Please run hldsupdatetool to get the update. The specific changes include: Counter-Strike: Source: - Increased ES57, Compact 228 and Dual Elites damage by 25% - Lowered allowed number of dropped weapons in a level to prevent gun spamming - Updated foliage quality in cs_militia Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
It broke CSSDM.. again. Yay. I fear the day that
they actually release updates ahead of time to let
developers test on it, for it may be the apocalypse.
--- {MDA} Spotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does it break mani?!?!?!
Sorry!
Spotta
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Of Jason Ruymen
Sent: 11 December 2006 22:40
To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com;
hlds@list.valvesoftware.com;
hlds_announce@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update
Released
A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has
been released. Please
run hldsupdatetool to get the update. The specific
changes include:
Counter-Strike: Source:
- Increased ES57, Compact 228 and Dual Elites damage
by 25%
- Lowered allowed number of dropped weapons in a
level to prevent gun
spamming
- Updated foliage quality in cs_militia
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RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
Balls
I run that too.
=]
-Original Message-
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Sent: 11 December 2006 23:43
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
It broke CSSDM.. again. Yay. I fear the day that
they actually release updates ahead of time to let
developers test on it, for it may be the apocalypse.
--- {MDA} Spotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does it break mani?!?!?!
Sorry!
Spotta
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Subject: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update
Released
A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has
been released. Please
run hldsupdatetool to get the update. The specific
changes include:
Counter-Strike: Source:
- Increased ES57, Compact 228 and Dual Elites damage
by 25%
- Lowered allowed number of dropped weapons in a
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spamming
- Updated foliage quality in cs_militia
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RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
Update: The newest CSSDM beta (not released
officially but on the forums in a random post) will
work, not sure if it still crashes on mapchange
though. So if you're running .96e it's fine so far.
--- {MDA} Spotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Balls
I run that too.
=]
-Original Message-
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Of Dan E
Sent: 11 December 2006 23:43
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update
Released
It broke CSSDM.. again. Yay. I fear the day that
they actually release updates ahead of time to let
developers test on it, for it may be the apocalypse.
--- {MDA} Spotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does it break mani?!?!?!
Sorry!
Spotta
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Subject: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update
Released
A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has
been released. Please
run hldsupdatetool to get the update. The
specific
changes include:
Counter-Strike: Source:
- Increased ES57, Compact 228 and Dual Elites
damage
by 25%
- Lowered allowed number of dropped weapons in a
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- Updated foliage quality in cs_militia
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
Also upgrade to mms 1.3d.
On 12/11/06, Dan E [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Update: The newest CSSDM beta (not released
officially but on the forums in a random post) will
work, not sure if it still crashes on mapchange
though. So if you're running .96e it's fine so far.
--- {MDA} Spotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Balls
I run that too.
=]
-Original Message-
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Of Dan E
Sent: 11 December 2006 23:43
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update
Released
It broke CSSDM.. again. Yay. I fear the day that
they actually release updates ahead of time to let
developers test on it, for it may be the apocalypse.
--- {MDA} Spotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does it break mani?!?!?!
Sorry!
Spotta
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Subject: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update
Released
A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has
been released. Please
run hldsupdatetool to get the update. The
specific
changes include:
Counter-Strike: Source:
- Increased ES57, Compact 228 and Dual Elites
damage
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- Lowered allowed number of dropped weapons in a
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- Updated foliage quality in cs_militia
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
It breaks Source Metamod, at least on 2 of our servers that were running it,
one of which was a Gungame server so that's hosed.
Valve would you PLEASE make that god forsaken POS API in Source and make it
something usefull so that people will actually use it. It's getting old
having to troubleshoot and fix servers everytime there's an update. Broken
servers for what?? Broken so that 3 pistols can be stronger and the leaf
quality in Militia can be improved!! What a sad joke, and we're the
punchline. How I long for the old days when updates came once every 6
months.
Here's an idea.How about not messing with the leafs in Militia, cause
noone gives a shit what they look likeand instead make the API usefull.
Yeah yeah I know, I'm askin for way too much here.
Artie
- Original Message -
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To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 6:12 PM
Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
Does it break mani?!?!?!
Sorry!
Spotta
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: 11 December 2006 22:40
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Subject: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has been released. Please
run hldsupdatetool to get the update. The specific changes include:
Counter-Strike: Source:
- Increased ES57, Compact 228 and Dual Elites damage by 25%
- Lowered allowed number of dropped weapons in a level to prevent gun
spamming
- Updated foliage quality in cs_militia
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
Oh sweet, glad to hear they fixed it so quick.
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To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
Also upgrade to mms 1.3d.
On 12/11/06, Dan E [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Update: The newest CSSDM beta (not released
officially but on the forums in a random post) will
work, not sure if it still crashes on mapchange
though. So if you're running .96e it's fine so far.
--- {MDA} Spotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Balls
I run that too.
=]
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Of Dan E
Sent: 11 December 2006 23:43
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update
Released
It broke CSSDM.. again. Yay. I fear the day that
they actually release updates ahead of time to let
developers test on it, for it may be the apocalypse.
--- {MDA} Spotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does it break mani?!?!?!
Sorry!
Spotta
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hlds_announce@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update
Released
A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has
been released. Please
run hldsupdatetool to get the update. The
specific
changes include:
Counter-Strike: Source:
- Increased ES57, Compact 228 and Dual Elites
damage
by 25%
- Lowered allowed number of dropped weapons in a
level to prevent gun
spamming
- Updated foliage quality in cs_militia
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
Updates always replace the gameinfo.txt file, so you
have to remember to put the GameBin line back in there
so that MM loads correctly after an update. And Bailo
released it, so far so good :) w00t.
Dan
--- artiecs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It breaks Source Metamod, at least on 2 of our
servers that were running it,
one of which was a Gungame server so that's hosed.
Valve would you PLEASE make that god forsaken POS
API in Source and make it
something usefull so that people will actually use
it. It's getting old
having to troubleshoot and fix servers everytime
there's an update. Broken
servers for what?? Broken so that 3 pistols can be
stronger and the leaf
quality in Militia can be improved!! What a sad
joke, and we're the
punchline. How I long for the old days when updates
came once every 6
months.
Here's an idea.How about not messing with the
leafs in Militia, cause
noone gives a shit what they look likeand
instead make the API usefull.
Yeah yeah I know, I'm askin for way too much here.
Artie
- Original Message -
From: {MDA} Spotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 6:12 PM
Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update
Released
Does it break mani?!?!?!
Sorry!
Spotta
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jason Ruymen
Sent: 11 December 2006 22:40
To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com;
hlds@list.valvesoftware.com;
hlds_announce@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update
Released
A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has
been released. Please
run hldsupdatetool to get the update. The
specific changes include:
Counter-Strike: Source:
- Increased ES57, Compact 228 and Dual Elites
damage by 25%
- Lowered allowed number of dropped weapons in a
level to prevent gun
spamming
- Updated foliage quality in cs_militia
Jason
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
Yeah i did fix the gameinfo.txt, but servers wouldn't boot with the MM
startup line in there (with all plugins disabled in the MM config). Got the
new version now and it seems to be running good.
Artie
- Original Message -
From: Dan E [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update Released
Updates always replace the gameinfo.txt file, so you
have to remember to put the GameBin line back in there
so that MM loads correctly after an update. And Bailo
released it, so far so good :) w00t.
Dan
--- artiecs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It breaks Source Metamod, at least on 2 of our
servers that were running it,
one of which was a Gungame server so that's hosed.
Valve would you PLEASE make that god forsaken POS
API in Source and make it
something usefull so that people will actually use
it. It's getting old
having to troubleshoot and fix servers everytime
there's an update. Broken
servers for what?? Broken so that 3 pistols can be
stronger and the leaf
quality in Militia can be improved!! What a sad
joke, and we're the
punchline. How I long for the old days when updates
came once every 6
months.
Here's an idea.How about not messing with the
leafs in Militia, cause
noone gives a shit what they look likeand
instead make the API usefull.
Yeah yeah I know, I'm askin for way too much here.
Artie
- Original Message -
From: {MDA} Spotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 6:12 PM
Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update
Released
Does it break mani?!?!?!
Sorry!
Spotta
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jason Ruymen
Sent: 11 December 2006 22:40
To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com;
hlds@list.valvesoftware.com;
hlds_announce@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source Update
Released
A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has
been released. Please
run hldsupdatetool to get the update. The
specific changes include:
Counter-Strike: Source:
- Increased ES57, Compact 228 and Dual Elites
damage by 25%
- Lowered allowed number of dropped weapons in a
level to prevent gun
spamming
- Updated foliage quality in cs_militia
Jason
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Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
Just in case if anyone is interested in something else apart from taunting Valve, here is small tip about mp_dynamicpricing. Seems like this cvar is checked when server loads map. Its default value is 1 so when server loads first map dynamic prices are still there even if you've got mp_dynamicpricing 0 in your server.cfg. Dynamic prices will disappear only after next mapchange. Not a big deal actually but should you want to fix that - just add +mp_dynamicpricing 0 to a command line starting your server and that's it! Regards, Roman On 02/11/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has just been released. Unless your running a Linux server that auto-updates, please run hldsupdatetool. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: - Added Dynamic Weapon Pricing Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
cheers roman will try it. thanks for the info Roman Hatsiev wrote: Just in case if anyone is interested in something else apart from taunting Valve, here is small tip about mp_dynamicpricing. Seems like this cvar is checked when server loads map. Its default value is 1 so when server loads first map dynamic prices are still there even if you've got mp_dynamicpricing 0 in your server.cfg. Dynamic prices will disappear only after next mapchange. Not a big deal actually but should you want to fix that - just add +mp_dynamicpricing 0 to a command line starting your server and that's it! Regards, Roman On 02/11/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has just been released. Unless your running a Linux server that auto-updates, please run hldsupdatetool. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: - Added Dynamic Weapon Pricing Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] We were able to turn 4 of our most popular servers into 4 dead servers with the beta On 11/2/06, Biscuits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] It brings variety to the game, i give it the thumbs up :D This is the reason i keep playing CS:S as it evolves over time ;) On 11/2/06, Chad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I can't turn it off. I play on pubs mostly, and now they are all going to have it because its default and the admins probably won't care enough to turn it off. Did it at least account for different servers playing different maps each of which have different values for each weapon? Matt Albiniak wrote: With all due respect, get over it. You can turn it off, so turn it off (if you want). Personally, our community has noticed a steady decline in server traffic, as have most pubs tracked by game-monitor. I think it's great that the product is still supported and is being developed with optional features. Best, Matt On 11/1/06, Chad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is valve/steam /whoever is them ruining a perfectly good game with these features? J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming wrote: That's probably intentional, they should be releasing Euro, Yen, Dollar, Franc, Pound, Lira, and Peso conversion tables for true regional dynamic weapon pricing within the next week. -Original Message- From: t [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:43 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Incase anyone hasn't noticed, you can't buy ammo now there appears to be a bug. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:30 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released And what is the default value? -Original Message- From: Matt Albiniak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:25 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released I knew I should have post-it noted this. What's the command to enable/disable this? On 11/1/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has just been released. Unless your running a Linux server that auto-updates, please run hldsupdatetool. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: - Added Dynamic Weapon Pricing Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Biscuits -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
shame the optional features aren't that optional. as far as my supportt team can tell the mp_dynamicpricing switch does not disable the new weapon pricing stuff. We've tried it on fresh installs 6 times and it doesn't do anything. oh yeah and it seems to have broken mani but i have a feeling a quick edit of the gamestypes file will fix that. Matt Albiniak wrote: With all due respect, get over it. You can turn it off, so turn it off (if you want). Personally, our community has noticed a steady decline in server traffic, as have most pubs tracked by game-monitor. I think it's great that the product is still supported and is being developed with optional features. Best, Matt On 11/1/06, Chad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is valve/steam /whoever is them ruining a perfectly good game with these features? J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming wrote: That's probably intentional, they should be releasing Euro, Yen, Dollar, Franc, Pound, Lira, and Peso conversion tables for true regional dynamic weapon pricing within the next week. -Original Message- From: t [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:43 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Incase anyone hasn't noticed, you can't buy ammo now there appears to be a bug. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:30 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released And what is the default value? -Original Message- From: Matt Albiniak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:25 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released I knew I should have post-it noted this. What's the command to enable/disable this? On 11/1/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has just been released. Unless your running a Linux server that auto-updates, please run hldsupdatetool. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: - Added Dynamic Weapon Pricing Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] What doesn't break mani? :) On 11/2/06, David Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shame the optional features aren't that optional. as far as my supportt team can tell the mp_dynamicpricing switch does not disable the new weapon pricing stuff. We've tried it on fresh installs 6 times and it doesn't do anything. oh yeah and it seems to have broken mani but i have a feeling a quick edit of the gamestypes file will fix that. Matt Albiniak wrote: With all due respect, get over it. You can turn it off, so turn it off (if you want). Personally, our community has noticed a steady decline in server traffic, as have most pubs tracked by game-monitor. I think it's great that the product is still supported and is being developed with optional features. Best, Matt On 11/1/06, Chad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is valve/steam /whoever is them ruining a perfectly good game with these features? J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming wrote: That's probably intentional, they should be releasing Euro, Yen, Dollar, Franc, Pound, Lira, and Peso conversion tables for true regional dynamic weapon pricing within the next week. -Original Message- From: t [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:43 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Incase anyone hasn't noticed, you can't buy ammo now there appears to be a bug. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:30 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released And what is the default value? -Original Message- From: Matt Albiniak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:25 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released I knew I should have post-it noted this. What's the command to enable/disable this? On 11/1/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has just been released. Unless your running a Linux server that auto-updates, please run hldsupdatetool. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: - Added Dynamic Weapon Pricing Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
good magic trick. this is gonna happen all over the place. NOBODY WANTS THIS. The larger part of the community just want the lil bugs to be fixed. The annoying things that have been there from day one. Like the fact source get's stuck in sound loops which in turn makes the games skip/lag. Why not fix that. Why add a feature that everyone i know thinks sucks and 75% of the global community thinks blows. Valve you aren't listening to us. You keep going this way you gonna kill your best game. Whispers example is pretty common place. How about you leave well alone and fix the broken stuff first? Whisper wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] We were able to turn 4 of our most popular servers into 4 dead servers with the beta On 11/2/06, Biscuits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] It brings variety to the game, i give it the thumbs up :D This is the reason i keep playing CS:S as it evolves over time ;) On 11/2/06, Chad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I can't turn it off. I play on pubs mostly, and now they are all going to have it because its default and the admins probably won't care enough to turn it off. Did it at least account for different servers playing different maps each of which have different values for each weapon? Matt Albiniak wrote: With all due respect, get over it. You can turn it off, so turn it off (if you want). Personally, our community has noticed a steady decline in server traffic, as have most pubs tracked by game-monitor. I think it's great that the product is still supported and is being developed with optional features. Best, Matt On 11/1/06, Chad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is valve/steam /whoever is them ruining a perfectly good game with these features? J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming wrote: That's probably intentional, they should be releasing Euro, Yen, Dollar, Franc, Pound, Lira, and Peso conversion tables for true regional dynamic weapon pricing within the next week. -Original Message- From: t [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:43 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Incase anyone hasn't noticed, you can't buy ammo now there appears to be a bug. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:30 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released And what is the default value? -Original Message- From: Matt Albiniak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:25 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released I knew I should have post-it noted this. What's the command to enable/disable this? On 11/1/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has just been released. Unless your running a Linux server that auto-updates, please run hldsupdatetool. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: - Added Dynamic Weapon Pricing Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Biscuits -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
that's true. turns out it was the gameinfo file being updated so sourcemm wasn't loading. that's ok i can deal with that but the dynamic pricing switch doesn't seem to want to work. Whisper wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] What doesn't break mani? :) On 11/2/06, David Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shame the optional features aren't that optional. as far as my supportt team can tell the mp_dynamicpricing switch does not disable the new weapon pricing stuff. We've tried it on fresh installs 6 times and it doesn't do anything. oh yeah and it seems to have broken mani but i have a feeling a quick edit of the gamestypes file will fix that. Matt Albiniak wrote: With all due respect, get over it. You can turn it off, so turn it off (if you want). Personally, our community has noticed a steady decline in server traffic, as have most pubs tracked by game-monitor. I think it's great that the product is still supported and is being developed with optional features. Best, Matt On 11/1/06, Chad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is valve/steam /whoever is them ruining a perfectly good game with these features? J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming wrote: That's probably intentional, they should be releasing Euro, Yen, Dollar, Franc, Pound, Lira, and Peso conversion tables for true regional dynamic weapon pricing within the next week. -Original Message- From: t [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:43 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Incase anyone hasn't noticed, you can't buy ammo now there appears to be a bug. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:30 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released And what is the default value? -Original Message- From: Matt Albiniak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:25 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released I knew I should have post-it noted this. What's the command to enable/disable this? On 11/1/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has just been released. Unless your running a Linux server that auto-updates, please run hldsupdatetool. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: - Added Dynamic Weapon Pricing Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
Because success is almost always an accidental confluence of demand, timing, and luck. Those that succeed are often foolish enough think it had something to do with them so they try it again and again but never achieve anything close to their prior success. -Original Message- From: Chad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:29 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Why is valve/steam /whoever is them ruining a perfectly good game with these features? J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming wrote: That's probably intentional, they should be releasing Euro, Yen, Dollar, Franc, Pound, Lira, and Peso conversion tables for true regional dynamic weapon pricing within the next week. -Original Message- From: t [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:43 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Incase anyone hasn't noticed, you can't buy ammo now there appears to be a bug. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:30 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released And what is the default value? -Original Message- From: Matt Albiniak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:25 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released I knew I should have post-it noted this. What's the command to enable/disable this? On 11/1/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has just been released. Unless your running a Linux server that auto-updates, please run hldsupdatetool. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: - Added Dynamic Weapon Pricing Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
If the Beta can do that, imagine what the finished product can do. :)~ -Original Message- From: Whisper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 6:11 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] We were able to turn 4 of our most popular servers into 4 dead servers with the beta On 11/2/06, Biscuits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] It brings variety to the game, i give it the thumbs up :D This is the reason i keep playing CS:S as it evolves over time ;) On 11/2/06, Chad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I can't turn it off. I play on pubs mostly, and now they are all going to have it because its default and the admins probably won't care enough to turn it off. Did it at least account for different servers playing different maps each of which have different values for each weapon? Matt Albiniak wrote: With all due respect, get over it. You can turn it off, so turn it off (if you want). Personally, our community has noticed a steady decline in server traffic, as have most pubs tracked by game-monitor. I think it's great that the product is still supported and is being developed with optional features. Best, Matt On 11/1/06, Chad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is valve/steam /whoever is them ruining a perfectly good game with these features? J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming wrote: That's probably intentional, they should be releasing Euro, Yen, Dollar, Franc, Pound, Lira, and Peso conversion tables for true regional dynamic weapon pricing within the next week. -Original Message- From: t [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:43 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Incase anyone hasn't noticed, you can't buy ammo now there appears to be a bug. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:30 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released And what is the default value? -Original Message- From: Matt Albiniak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:25 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released I knew I should have post-it noted this. What's the command to enable/disable this? On 11/1/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has just been released. Unless your running a Linux server that auto-updates, please run hldsupdatetool. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: - Added Dynamic Weapon Pricing Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Biscuits -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] All those shadow bugs still exist! Is being able to join spectator then rejoin a team a bug or a feature? sv_norealconsistencywhatsoever No Pure Server option That cl_interp bug where the stationary player doesn't see the moving player till much later even on LAN (Is that bug still there Wim?) Plain old dodgy sound bugs Map optimisations for FPS I think the list still goes on and on, but I agree, a bug fixing rather than feature enhancing update would go a long way? How about a nice Christmas present for CS:S players Valve? On 11/2/06, David Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that's true. turns out it was the gameinfo file being updated so sourcemm wasn't loading. that's ok i can deal with that but the dynamic pricing switch doesn't seem to want to work. Whisper wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] What doesn't break mani? :) On 11/2/06, David Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shame the optional features aren't that optional. as far as my supportt team can tell the mp_dynamicpricing switch does not disable the new weapon pricing stuff. We've tried it on fresh installs 6 times and it doesn't do anything. oh yeah and it seems to have broken mani but i have a feeling a quick edit of the gamestypes file will fix that. Matt Albiniak wrote: With all due respect, get over it. You can turn it off, so turn it off (if you want). Personally, our community has noticed a steady decline in server traffic, as have most pubs tracked by game-monitor. I think it's great that the product is still supported and is being developed with optional features. Best, Matt On 11/1/06, Chad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is valve/steam /whoever is them ruining a perfectly good game with these features? J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming wrote: That's probably intentional, they should be releasing Euro, Yen, Dollar, Franc, Pound, Lira, and Peso conversion tables for true regional dynamic weapon pricing within the next week. -Original Message- From: t [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:43 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Incase anyone hasn't noticed, you can't buy ammo now there appears to be a bug. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:30 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released And what is the default value? -Original Message- From: Matt Albiniak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:25 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released I knew I should have post-it noted this. What's the command to enable/disable this? On 11/1/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has just been released. Unless your running a Linux server that auto-updates, please run hldsupdatetool. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: - Added Dynamic Weapon Pricing Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com
RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
I had jelly on my toast this morning instead of butter, and Mani kept working fine. :) -Original Message- From: Whisper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 7:11 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] What doesn't break mani? :) On 11/2/06, David Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shame the optional features aren't that optional. as far as my supportt team can tell the mp_dynamicpricing switch does not disable the new weapon pricing stuff. We've tried it on fresh installs 6 times and it doesn't do anything. oh yeah and it seems to have broken mani but i have a feeling a quick edit of the gamestypes file will fix that. Matt Albiniak wrote: With all due respect, get over it. You can turn it off, so turn it off (if you want). Personally, our community has noticed a steady decline in server traffic, as have most pubs tracked by game-monitor. I think it's great that the product is still supported and is being developed with optional features. Best, Matt On 11/1/06, Chad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is valve/steam /whoever is them ruining a perfectly good game with these features? J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming wrote: That's probably intentional, they should be releasing Euro, Yen, Dollar, Franc, Pound, Lira, and Peso conversion tables for true regional dynamic weapon pricing within the next week. -Original Message- From: t [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:43 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Incase anyone hasn't noticed, you can't buy ammo now there appears to be a bug. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:30 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released And what is the default value? -Original Message- From: Matt Albiniak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:25 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released I knew I should have post-it noted this. What's the command to enable/disable this? On 11/1/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has just been released. Unless your running a Linux server that auto-updates, please run hldsupdatetool. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: - Added Dynamic Weapon Pricing Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
How about you leave well alone and fix the broken stuff first? Because they haven't learned yet that they are not the reason for the success. They produced a fine product and they do good work... so do a million other people... but few acheive sucess. -Original Message- From: David Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 7:23 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released good magic trick. this is gonna happen all over the place. NOBODY WANTS THIS. The larger part of the community just want the lil bugs to be fixed. The annoying things that have been there from day one. Like the fact source get's stuck in sound loops which in turn makes the games skip/lag. Why not fix that. Why add a feature that everyone i know thinks sucks and 75% of the global community thinks blows. Valve you aren't listening to us. You keep going this way you gonna kill your best game. Whispers example is pretty common place. How about you leave well alone and fix the broken stuff first? Whisper wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] We were able to turn 4 of our most popular servers into 4 dead servers with the beta On 11/2/06, Biscuits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] It brings variety to the game, i give it the thumbs up :D This is the reason i keep playing CS:S as it evolves over time ;) On 11/2/06, Chad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I can't turn it off. I play on pubs mostly, and now they are all going to have it because its default and the admins probably won't care enough to turn it off. Did it at least account for different servers playing different maps each of which have different values for each weapon? Matt Albiniak wrote: With all due respect, get over it. You can turn it off, so turn it off (if you want). Personally, our community has noticed a steady decline in server traffic, as have most pubs tracked by game-monitor. I think it's great that the product is still supported and is being developed with optional features. Best, Matt On 11/1/06, Chad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is valve/steam /whoever is them ruining a perfectly good game with these features? J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming wrote: That's probably intentional, they should be releasing Euro, Yen, Dollar, Franc, Pound, Lira, and Peso conversion tables for true regional dynamic weapon pricing within the next week. -Original Message- From: t [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:43 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Incase anyone hasn't noticed, you can't buy ammo now there appears to be a bug. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:30 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released And what is the default value? -Original Message- From: Matt Albiniak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:25 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released I knew I should have post-it noted this. What's the command to enable/disable this? On 11/1/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has just been released. Unless your running a Linux server that auto-updates, please run hldsupdatetool. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: - Added Dynamic Weapon Pricing Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Chrissy present was mani did not break :) or matties or event scripts :D On 11/2/06, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] All those shadow bugs still exist! Is being able to join spectator then rejoin a team a bug or a feature? sv_norealconsistencywhatsoever No Pure Server option That cl_interp bug where the stationary player doesn't see the moving player till much later even on LAN (Is that bug still there Wim?) Plain old dodgy sound bugs Map optimisations for FPS I think the list still goes on and on, but I agree, a bug fixing rather than feature enhancing update would go a long way? How about a nice Christmas present for CS:S players Valve? On 11/2/06, David Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that's true. turns out it was the gameinfo file being updated so sourcemm wasn't loading. that's ok i can deal with that but the dynamic pricing switch doesn't seem to want to work. Whisper wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] What doesn't break mani? :) On 11/2/06, David Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shame the optional features aren't that optional. as far as my supportt team can tell the mp_dynamicpricing switch does not disable the new weapon pricing stuff. We've tried it on fresh installs 6 times and it doesn't do anything. oh yeah and it seems to have broken mani but i have a feeling a quick edit of the gamestypes file will fix that. Matt Albiniak wrote: With all due respect, get over it. You can turn it off, so turn it off (if you want). Personally, our community has noticed a steady decline in server traffic, as have most pubs tracked by game-monitor. I think it's great that the product is still supported and is being developed with optional features. Best, Matt On 11/1/06, Chad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is valve/steam /whoever is them ruining a perfectly good game with these features? J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming wrote: That's probably intentional, they should be releasing Euro, Yen, Dollar, Franc, Pound, Lira, and Peso conversion tables for true regional dynamic weapon pricing within the next week. -Original Message- From: t [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:43 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Incase anyone hasn't noticed, you can't buy ammo now there appears to be a bug. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:30 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released And what is the default value? -Original Message- From: Matt Albiniak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:25 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released I knew I should have post-it noted this. What's the command to enable/disable this? On 11/1/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has just been released. Unless your running a Linux server that auto-updates, please run hldsupdatetool. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: - Added Dynamic Weapon Pricing Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
I stand corrected and exonerated at the same time... lol! -Original Message- From: Chad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 9:29 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released One mistake, they bought the first one from a bunch of gamers, they didn't produce it and It has gone downhill ever since. Edward Luna wrote: How about you leave well alone and fix the broken stuff first? Because they haven't learned yet that they are not the reason for the success. They produced a fine product and they do good work... so do a million other people... but few acheive sucess. -Original Message- From: David Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 7:23 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released good magic trick. this is gonna happen all over the place. NOBODY WANTS THIS. The larger part of the community just want the lil bugs to be fixed. The annoying things that have been there from day one. Like the fact source get's stuck in sound loops which in turn makes the games skip/lag. Why not fix that. Why add a feature that everyone i know thinks sucks and 75% of the global community thinks blows. Valve you aren't listening to us. You keep going this way you gonna kill your best game. Whispers example is pretty common place. How about you leave well alone and fix the broken stuff first? Whisper wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] We were able to turn 4 of our most popular servers into 4 dead servers with the beta On 11/2/06, Biscuits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] It brings variety to the game, i give it the thumbs up :D This is the reason i keep playing CS:S as it evolves over time ;) On 11/2/06, Chad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I can't turn it off. I play on pubs mostly, and now they are all going to have it because its default and the admins probably won't care enough to turn it off. Did it at least account for different servers playing different maps each of which have different values for each weapon? Matt Albiniak wrote: With all due respect, get over it. You can turn it off, so turn it off (if you want). Personally, our community has noticed a steady decline in server traffic, as have most pubs tracked by game-monitor. I think it's great that the product is still supported and is being developed with optional features. Best, Matt On 11/1/06, Chad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is valve/steam /whoever is them ruining a perfectly good game with these features? J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming wrote: That's probably intentional, they should be releasing Euro, Yen, Dollar, Franc, Pound, Lira, and Peso conversion tables for true regional dynamic weapon pricing within the next week. -Original Message- From: t [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:43 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Incase anyone hasn't noticed, you can't buy ammo now there appears to be a bug. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:30 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released And what is the default value? -Original Message- From: Matt Albiniak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:25 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released I knew I should have post-it noted this. What's the command to enable/disable this? On 11/1/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has just been released. Unless your running a Linux server that auto-updates, please run hldsupdatetool. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: - Added Dynamic Weapon Pricing Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
I knew I should have post-it noted this. What's the command to enable/disable this? On 11/1/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has just been released. Unless your running a Linux server that auto-updates, please run hldsupdatetool. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: - Added Dynamic Weapon Pricing Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
And what is the default value? -Original Message- From: Matt Albiniak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:25 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released I knew I should have post-it noted this. What's the command to enable/disable this? On 11/1/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has just been released. Unless your running a Linux server that auto-updates, please run hldsupdatetool. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: - Added Dynamic Weapon Pricing Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
ON! Enjoy~ On 11/1/06, J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And what is the default value? -Original Message- From: Matt Albiniak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:25 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released I knew I should have post-it noted this. What's the command to enable/disable this? On 11/1/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has just been released. Unless your running a Linux server that auto-updates, please run hldsupdatetool. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: - Added Dynamic Weapon Pricing Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
Google is making this world a better place. To turn on/off the dynamic weapon pricing, use: mp_dynamicpricing On 11/1/06, Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ON! Enjoy~ On 11/1/06, J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And what is the default value? -Original Message- From: Matt Albiniak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:25 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released I knew I should have post-it noted this. What's the command to enable/disable this? On 11/1/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has just been released. Unless your running a Linux server that auto-updates, please run hldsupdatetool. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: - Added Dynamic Weapon Pricing Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
Incase anyone hasn't noticed, you can't buy ammo now there appears to be a bug. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:30 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released And what is the default value? -Original Message- From: Matt Albiniak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:25 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released I knew I should have post-it noted this. What's the command to enable/disable this? On 11/1/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has just been released. Unless your running a Linux server that auto-updates, please run hldsupdatetool. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: - Added Dynamic Weapon Pricing Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
Has any notice on dust2 it limits teams to 10 per team. It is a stock server no addons running. STock install?? - Original Message - From: Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Google is making this world a better place. To turn on/off the dynamic weapon pricing, use: mp_dynamicpricing On 11/1/06, Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ON! Enjoy~ On 11/1/06, J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And what is the default value? -Original Message- From: Matt Albiniak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:25 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released I knew I should have post-it noted this. What's the command to enable/disable this? On 11/1/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has just been released. Unless your running a Linux server that auto-updates, please run hldsupdatetool. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: - Added Dynamic Weapon Pricing Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
That's probably intentional, they should be releasing Euro, Yen, Dollar, Franc, Pound, Lira, and Peso conversion tables for true regional dynamic weapon pricing within the next week. -Original Message- From: t [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:43 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Incase anyone hasn't noticed, you can't buy ammo now there appears to be a bug. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:30 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released And what is the default value? -Original Message- From: Matt Albiniak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:25 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released I knew I should have post-it noted this. What's the command to enable/disable this? On 11/1/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has just been released. Unless your running a Linux server that auto-updates, please run hldsupdatetool. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: - Added Dynamic Weapon Pricing Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
Why is valve/steam /whoever is them ruining a perfectly good game with these features? J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming wrote: That's probably intentional, they should be releasing Euro, Yen, Dollar, Franc, Pound, Lira, and Peso conversion tables for true regional dynamic weapon pricing within the next week. -Original Message- From: t [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:43 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Incase anyone hasn't noticed, you can't buy ammo now there appears to be a bug. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:30 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released And what is the default value? -Original Message- From: Matt Albiniak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:25 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released I knew I should have post-it noted this. What's the command to enable/disable this? On 11/1/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has just been released. Unless your running a Linux server that auto-updates, please run hldsupdatetool. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: - Added Dynamic Weapon Pricing Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
With all due respect, get over it. You can turn it off, so turn it off (if you want). Personally, our community has noticed a steady decline in server traffic, as have most pubs tracked by game-monitor. I think it's great that the product is still supported and is being developed with optional features. Best, Matt On 11/1/06, Chad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is valve/steam /whoever is them ruining a perfectly good game with these features? J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming wrote: That's probably intentional, they should be releasing Euro, Yen, Dollar, Franc, Pound, Lira, and Peso conversion tables for true regional dynamic weapon pricing within the next week. -Original Message- From: t [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:43 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Incase anyone hasn't noticed, you can't buy ammo now there appears to be a bug. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:30 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released And what is the default value? -Original Message- From: Matt Albiniak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:25 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released I knew I should have post-it noted this. What's the command to enable/disable this? On 11/1/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has just been released. Unless your running a Linux server that auto-updates, please run hldsupdatetool. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: - Added Dynamic Weapon Pricing Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
But I can't turn it off. I play on pubs mostly, and now they are all going to have it because its default and the admins probably won't care enough to turn it off. Did it at least account for different servers playing different maps each of which have different values for each weapon? Matt Albiniak wrote: With all due respect, get over it. You can turn it off, so turn it off (if you want). Personally, our community has noticed a steady decline in server traffic, as have most pubs tracked by game-monitor. I think it's great that the product is still supported and is being developed with optional features. Best, Matt On 11/1/06, Chad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is valve/steam /whoever is them ruining a perfectly good game with these features? J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming wrote: That's probably intentional, they should be releasing Euro, Yen, Dollar, Franc, Pound, Lira, and Peso conversion tables for true regional dynamic weapon pricing within the next week. -Original Message- From: t [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:43 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Incase anyone hasn't noticed, you can't buy ammo now there appears to be a bug. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:30 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released And what is the default value? -Original Message- From: Matt Albiniak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:25 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released I knew I should have post-it noted this. What's the command to enable/disable this? On 11/1/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has just been released. Unless your running a Linux server that auto-updates, please run hldsupdatetool. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: - Added Dynamic Weapon Pricing Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] It brings variety to the game, i give it the thumbs up :D This is the reason i keep playing CS:S as it evolves over time ;) On 11/2/06, Chad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I can't turn it off. I play on pubs mostly, and now they are all going to have it because its default and the admins probably won't care enough to turn it off. Did it at least account for different servers playing different maps each of which have different values for each weapon? Matt Albiniak wrote: With all due respect, get over it. You can turn it off, so turn it off (if you want). Personally, our community has noticed a steady decline in server traffic, as have most pubs tracked by game-monitor. I think it's great that the product is still supported and is being developed with optional features. Best, Matt On 11/1/06, Chad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is valve/steam /whoever is them ruining a perfectly good game with these features? J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming wrote: That's probably intentional, they should be releasing Euro, Yen, Dollar, Franc, Pound, Lira, and Peso conversion tables for true regional dynamic weapon pricing within the next week. -Original Message- From: t [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:43 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Incase anyone hasn't noticed, you can't buy ammo now there appears to be a bug. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. Laws - Hi-Definition Gaming Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:30 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released And what is the default value? -Original Message- From: Matt Albiniak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 8:25 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released I knew I should have post-it noted this. What's the command to enable/disable this? On 11/1/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A required update for Counter-Strike: Source has just been released. Unless your running a Linux server that auto-updates, please run hldsupdatetool. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: - Added Dynamic Weapon Pricing Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Biscuits -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Thankyou, We can start our Ladder again. On 9/13/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Required updates to Counter-Strike: Source have been released. If your Linux server supports automatic updates, then you will be automatically updated. Otherwise please run hldsupdatetool to receive this update. The changes for this release are: Counter-Strike: Source: - Added zoom/scope to first person view in SourceTV - Fixed exploit to access full map overview while alive - Fixed exploit to bypass mp_forcecamera 1 restrictions Source Engine: - Fixed clock synchronization while recording a demo SourceTV: - Added number of spectators and broadcast title in spectator GUI - Added chat groups for SourceTV spectators - Increased max broadcast delay from 90 to 120 seconds - Fixed tv_stop not to retry connection - Fixed redirecting proxy IP address format - Fixed SourceTV servers reporting as VAC Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Biscuits -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
So... any VAC updates?... Looking for some more too :) Thanks. Jason Ruymen wrote: Required updates to Counter-Strike: Source have been released. If your Linux server supports automatic updates, then you will be automatically updated. Otherwise please run hldsupdatetool to receive this update. The changes for this release are: Counter-Strike: Source: - Added zoom/scope to first person view in SourceTV - Fixed exploit to access full map overview while alive - Fixed exploit to bypass mp_forcecamera 1 restrictions Source Engine: - Fixed clock synchronization while recording a demo SourceTV: - Added number of spectators and broadcast title in spectator GUI - Added chat groups for SourceTV spectators - Increased max broadcast delay from 90 to 120 seconds - Fixed tv_stop not to retry connection - Fixed redirecting proxy IP address format - Fixed SourceTV servers reporting as VAC Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Just a quickie, if anyone has a mod that uses gameinfo.txt modification, might be worth backing it up first as I think this gets overwritten causing some mods to stop working. Ian On 9/12/06, Biscuits [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Thankyou, We can start our Ladder again. On 9/13/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Required updates to Counter-Strike: Source have been released. If your Linux server supports automatic updates, then you will be automatically updated. Otherwise please run hldsupdatetool to receive this update. The changes for this release are: Counter-Strike: Source: - Added zoom/scope to first person view in SourceTV - Fixed exploit to access full map overview while alive - Fixed exploit to bypass mp_forcecamera 1 restrictions Source Engine: - Fixed clock synchronization while recording a demo SourceTV: - Added number of spectators and broadcast title in spectator GUI - Added chat groups for SourceTV spectators - Increased max broadcast delay from 90 to 120 seconds - Fixed tv_stop not to retry connection - Fixed redirecting proxy IP address format - Fixed SourceTV servers reporting as VAC Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Biscuits -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
Telling people that VAC is updated is like telling bank robbers you upgraded your alarm system. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Klein Sent: September 12, 2006 1:46 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released So... any VAC updates?... Looking for some more too :) Thanks. Jason Ruymen wrote: Required updates to Counter-Strike: Source have been released. If your Linux server supports automatic updates, then you will be automatically updated. Otherwise please run hldsupdatetool to receive this update. The changes for this release are: Counter-Strike: Source: - Added zoom/scope to first person view in SourceTV - Fixed exploit to access full map overview while alive - Fixed exploit to bypass mp_forcecamera 1 restrictions Source Engine: - Fixed clock synchronization while recording a demo SourceTV: - Added number of spectators and broadcast title in spectator GUI - Added chat groups for SourceTV spectators - Increased max broadcast delay from 90 to 120 seconds - Fixed tv_stop not to retry connection - Fixed redirecting proxy IP address format - Fixed SourceTV servers reporting as VAC Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] touche' and you are very right. Brent Thumlert wrote: Telling people that VAC is updated is like telling bank robbers you upgraded your alarm system. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Klein Sent: September 12, 2006 1:46 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released So... any VAC updates?... Looking for some more too :) Thanks. Jason Ruymen wrote: Required updates to Counter-Strike: Source have been released. If your Linux server supports automatic updates, then you will be automatically updated. Otherwise please run hldsupdatetool to receive this update. The changes for this release are: Counter-Strike: Source: - Added zoom/scope to first person view in SourceTV - Fixed exploit to access full map overview while alive - Fixed exploit to bypass mp_forcecamera 1 restrictions Source Engine: - Fixed clock synchronization while recording a demo SourceTV: - Added number of spectators and broadcast title in spectator GUI - Added chat groups for SourceTV spectators - Increased max broadcast delay from 90 to 120 seconds - Fixed tv_stop not to retry connection - Fixed redirecting proxy IP address format - Fixed SourceTV servers reporting as VAC Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
Thanks. On 8/30/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Updates to Counter-Strike: Source have been released. These updates are required, so unless your running a Linux server that auto-updates, please run hldsupdatetool. This update includes the following changes: Counter-Strike: Source - Fixed a crash caused by loading a custom map that has an associated .nav file but no place names in the navigation mesh - Fixed an issue with cl_minmodels swapping CT and T skins - Enemies can no longer be radar spotted through smoke clouds or while blind - The radar obeys HudRadar properties in the HudLayout file now - Your self dot in the radar now shows your view cone - The inset overview zoom level is no longer reset to default each round Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
Ridiculous. I'm all for stirring the pot but hard crashes are the result of failure... not success. -Original Message- From: Frazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 12:16 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Oooh - I smell fresh flame bait LOL ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whisper Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 1:06 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Now that I think about, it is actually a good thing that Valve updates break all these plugins. Its amazing how much coding gets done when this happens. :) Nothing beats poking a stick into the mod communities ant nest. :D It does seem to be a way to breathe fresh air into what appear to be stagnant projects. On 8/28/06, [DumB]TeXas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amen to your example, I do disagree on one thing though; just let the third parties know that the change will break their code - This would take a lot of resources because valve won't automatically know that if they change this particular thing, this and that plugin will break. It would require a lot of debugging with 3rd party plugins to figure out and this is *not* valves responsibility - however if they just provided the information and tools necessary for the 3rd party developers to do this job them self I think we'd all be happy. All that would take is a pre-release of the new updates and possibly a change-log which I am sure they use in their development anyway. With a pre-release, fixes/new versions could be ready the second valve officially release their update(s) - server admins would only have to go to the various plugin websites and grab the new version after doing the update and be up and running again quickly. I'm sure this would cut back on time needed for support and discussions like this as well - in the end possibly saving you both hassle and money + having happy customers which doesn't hurt. ;) I think there have been similar discussions like this going on for ages. I noticed the same thing has just started at the linux mail-list as well with basically the same concept of pre-releasing updates a few days in advance being suggested. Maybe its time for valve to take this seriously and look into the possibility if this have not been done already? I'd be very grateful if Alfred or someone could give us some comments on this. NOTE: not on the concept of checking that it works etc - but on the possibility of having a pre-release system. - TeX. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Luna Sent: 27. august 2006 17:17 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Importance: Low Yes, it is true that Valve is under no obligation to notify third party plug-in providers about anything they are doing... it may make reasonable sense to reasonable people, but nothing is forcing Valve to do so. On the other hand... no company can survive if their customers are repeatedly subject to loss of whatever service that company provides... be it disruption in product performance or in the supply chain. Valve appears to have the supply chain issued locked-up in that you automatically get the updates or (in the case of servers) are forced to download the updates or face loosing your listing however; the service side of the equation is perceived to be a failure by a fair percentage of server admins. Perhaps this is unfair to Valve, but it is the general perception and perception trumps reality every time. It is an established fact that without servers there is no game and most servers are running mods and plug-ins and these products wouldn't exist unless there was a valid measurable need for them. For Valve to imply that the problems caused by their updates (which are not optional, are strictly the responsibility of the third party providers, is for Valve to turn it's back on it's own installed customer base. This is never a good thing. I sometimes wonder why we play this game... what's the point really? But then again, why do people bowl or play golf or tennis... these are all games that people play for enjoyment... just like we do. The only difference is that we use a computer and they use a ball, or a club, or a racket. So what if every time AMF made an improvement to their bowling machines all bowling centers no longer worked... of if they improved their tennis rackets all the tennis courts in the world stopped working or made a change to their golf clubs all the golf courses closed for a week? This would never be tolerated and I doubt that AMF would try to blame these problems on the way people were attempting to use their products... even if it were true
RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
ROFL... not complaining, we're just brainstorming in an open forum, discussing a known problem in the hope of finding a solution. BTW, I don't run any plug-ins and very often updates break my server anyway. Maybe mine is the only server effected this way, but I tend to doubt that. I'm certain Valve tests their updates before they are force-feed to the community, but perhaps a little more testing would be of some value. Only Valve knows for sure and this is how we get to ask them. So we asked them... and Alfred placed the blame with the third party vendors. If you accept that answer... fine. Does anybody remember the Windows 98 shut-down problem a few years ago? Microsoft claimed the problem was caused by third party vendors improperly using Microsoft dll's. The vendors shot back that they were using them the same way for years and that Microsoft had made a change. Microsoft shot back that the dll was designed a certain way and they (Microsoft) only changed it to make it work the way they had intended it to work. In the meantime, thousands of Windows 98 machines would hang on shit-down and would need to be unplugged to power off. I'm fairly certain that both parties were correct in their defense of the problem, but the customer is the one who suffered. The one who had the real power to fix the problem was Microsoft and finally, after their customers suffered long enough, Microsoft came out with an update that fixed the shut-down problem. Sound similar? Who has the power to resolve the issue? Perception trumps reality every time. -Original Message- From: Chris McCoy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 1:55 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released You know what? Developers of plug-ins know that they can make a simple admin mod (kick, ban, tk) without any of the fancy stuff (stats, xp, whatever) by using the SDK API. Or maybe they don't. They know that their users (all of us) would love something like this, but they continue to use SourceMM. How hard would it be for them to simply throw out a generic admin mod that they never have to touch again, just for those of us that don't want some fancy plug-in. If someone would just make that plugin, there'd be no more problems. No one would have any reason to ask Valve to do any of this stupid stuff. We already have what we _really_ need. No one cares enough to use it. And until they do, everybody's going to complain about the provided API not being enough. No one has to deal with Steam update patch breaks, but they choose to use plug-ins that they know are going to break. There's an alternative and you know it, so stop complaining. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: [DumB]TeXas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 20:25:38 +0200 Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com What we _really_ need is a proper plugin framework like amx - it's been a good while since source was released now and we still haven't seen anything of sourcemod. If we had this, made properly using the supported methods, developers could use this to build fairly stable plugins and we could for an example have database functionality. A proper bansystem that can check users against a central ban database and plugins allowing things like advertising messages, admins, reserved slots, mod XP points and whatever being read from a database instead of files are some examples where this is needed. However, in the meantime the SDK does not provide all the functionality the developers need - if it did they would be using it. That valve has no obligations to help the people making it possible for us to run our game servers is bs imo. I would certainly not be able to run my servers without proper admin support (no, rcon doesn't do the trick) and as long as valve does not provide any solutions for this them self they should be very grateful for the work these developers put into making their game service better. These developers put a lot of time and effort into this and do not demand any money back from the users - while valve is a multi-billion business (god knows how much they have earned on online hl based games over the years). Not to mention people like us that put A LOT of our spare time into running servers for their games. Without all the people out there doing this, valve would not have a customer base for their online games (there would be no servers). If just the ~250k players we have had playing at our servers over the past year or so have used $30 on steam games - that's $750 worth of players using our services free of charge. In the end valve should not just turn their backs to us and just tell us not to use these 3rd party plugins when valve can solve this fairly easily and save all their customers and people providing services for their games for a lot of problems
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
Basic Admin Tool didn't break. It works and doesn't have the 8 tons of extra crap mani does. http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=39356 bobby35ny wrote: How is this even a debate? Valve is saying go by our rules AKA sdk, and the mods will be fine. The mod makers should adhere to the rules. If the mod maker wants to add a feature that has to go around the API, shame on them. The community should tell the mod makers to stick to the rules. I wish there was a admin type mod that followed the rules 100%, I would use it in a heartbeat. -Bobby ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] SourceMM is NOT the cause of any problems with plugins. SourceMM is mod independant and is rarely affected by updates. The problem occurs for plugins that use the server binaries directly instead of going through either the Valve Server Plugin interface or the SourceMM plugin interface. You might say, then don't use the binaries directly like that. Here's why plugins do that: Let's take slap for example. It does three things: 1) remove health 2) knock the player around, and 3) play a grunt sound. 1 and 2 are NOT possible using the provided server interface. If you want a slap function in your admin plugin, you must use a plugin that directly links to the binaries. Basically, if you use a plugin that does anything besides recording stats, running server console commands, and using ESC menus that players don't see, you'll be using a plugin that does not conform to the server plugin interface. Grant (L. Duke) On 8/27/06, Chris McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know what? Developers of plug-ins know that they can make a simple admin mod (kick, ban, tk) without any of the fancy stuff (stats, xp, whatever) by using the SDK API. Or maybe they don't. They know that their users (all of us) would love something like this, but they continue to use SourceMM. How hard would it be for them to simply throw out a generic admin mod that they never have to touch again, just for those of us that don't want some fancy plug-in. If someone would just make that plugin, there'd be no more problems. No one would have any reason to ask Valve to do any of this stupid stuff. We already have what we _really_ need. No one cares enough to use it. And until they do, everybody's going to complain about the provided API not being enough. No one has to deal with Steam update patch breaks, but they choose to use plug-ins that they know are going to break. There's an alternative and you know it, so stop complaining. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
Some of us do not have a choice of using these plugins. People have asked nicely over and over again that Valve merely communicate with the four or five main plugin developers before a patch is released so those of us that have to run these plugins do not have our servers down waiting for a fix. It is bad enough that you ram these updates (that half the time make it worse) down people's throats. But you offer no prep, no indication of what you are changing or breaking. Why don't you see if the popular plugins break updates before release? How long would it take to test the four or five common plugins that everyone uses and tell admins what works and what doesn't so that everyone does not have to scramble to get their servers to stop crashing? If it were not for MODs and plugins I would have stopped playing HL years ago. The people that run servers are your lifeblood, we are not asking a lot just a little consideration. As someone else said, if the SDK offered everything that the plugin developers needed I am sure they would use it. but they don't. -YMAC On 8/25/06 1:55 AM, Alfred Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is that these plugins are hacking into hard coded offsets in the game server, one tiny code change from us and the plugin blows up. The solution is for them to use the plugin API we provide which doesn't have this problem. If you don't like fragile plugins that crash your game server then please don't use them. - Alfred Adam Sando wrote: From a good faith perspective, yes they should engage 3rd party developers to ensure adequate testing has taken place. From a project deadline point of view, taking into account the fact most CEO's/Boards of directors are quite tight with timelines, they might not want to have their dev teams engage 3rd party developers to ensure their updates work, as this could be seen as a monumental waste of time. Ethically, it would be nice if valve had a strong relationship with the 3rd party development base out there, however sometimes business takes precedence over pleasure. It's just hard to define how much a part of Valves business, comes from Game Server Administrators, and how much would come from other market avenues. I might not be right, but this is what I would think happens at Valve when they are planning their updates? Regards, Adam -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [DumB]TeXas Sent: Friday, 25 August 2006 1:57 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released I don't think you have read what I said though Adam, I haven't said they have any legal obligations and I haven't said that _they_ should make sure things works with their updates. What I suggested was that they do more of an effort to help the developers to debug their own plugins before updates go official - by for an example providing a test environment such as an update they can apply a few days before the release. This way the _developers of the 3rd party plugins_ can do their job and get it working with the new updates. This should only mean extending the time before a new update by a few days which doesn't matter when it comes to cosmetic updates such as this one. If anything, this goes under a moral obligation, to help all the people out there putting time, money and effort into running their games on servers and developing 3rd party plugins that makes their games playable - such as proper admin tools. TeX. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Sando Sent: 25. august 2006 05:38 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Just remember Tex, Valve have no legal or moral obligations to provide support or compatibility with any 3rd party plugins not written by Valve. Valve try to make their updates as flawless as possible, however they are not able to make sure that every infinite combination of plugins work together. Not unless you want 1 update per year perhaps? ;) Regards, Adam. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [DumB]TeXas Sent: Friday, 25 August 2006 1:03 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Some of the metamod plugis appears not to be working - and my little rant there still stands regardless. Not that anyone cares about it. I just don't think I am the only one that is a 'tad' sick of updates breaking everything from a to z - and tbh there could be more effort to prevent it than there is today. Oh well... Server with v1.2 beta and the new gametypes.txt, on a windows 2003 server machine seems to work like a charm though. Cheers! :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Albiniak Sent: 25. august 2006 04:50
RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
As many have said before, I don't think you can expect valve to spend time testing every plugin out there - or to decide which 4 or 5 plugins that gets special treatment... What they could do in order to help ALL plugin developers out there - without having to do any extra work on updates them self - is to offer a pre-release of the updates to the developers a few days before its officially rolled out. That way the developers, weather they use the SDK or not, will be able to test/debug/fix their plugins and have a release ready by the time it's needed. They already have an excellent tool to distribute versions - the hlds-updatetool - with a small tweak I'm sure it could also support this functionality. Valve could for an example have a developer maillist - where a news-letter containing a release code is sent out. When the developers get it they could simply start hlds-updatetool with a parameter like -dlupdate id or similar to update their server install. You are right on one thing though, the people running the servers out there and the people developing free plugins/mods for their servers is in fact very important to their business and people wouldn't be buying their online games if noone were interested in running the servers. So Valve does have a moral obligation to take care of these and do what they can (within reasonable limits of course) to help. The solution I've offered above, which there probably has been loads suggesting before, should not cost valve much money, time or resources and will help the hl/hl2 community a lot. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27. august 2006 15:12 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Some of us do not have a choice of using these plugins. People have asked nicely over and over again that Valve merely communicate with the four or five main plugin developers before a patch is released so those of us that have to run these plugins do not have our servers down waiting for a fix. It is bad enough that you ram these updates (that half the time make it worse) down people's throats. But you offer no prep, no indication of what you are changing or breaking. Why don't you see if the popular plugins break updates before release? How long would it take to test the four or five common plugins that everyone uses and tell admins what works and what doesn't so that everyone does not have to scramble to get their servers to stop crashing? If it were not for MODs and plugins I would have stopped playing HL years ago. The people that run servers are your lifeblood, we are not asking a lot just a little consideration. As someone else said, if the SDK offered everything that the plugin developers needed I am sure they would use it. but they don't. -YMAC On 8/25/06 1:55 AM, Alfred Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is that these plugins are hacking into hard coded offsets in the game server, one tiny code change from us and the plugin blows up. The solution is for them to use the plugin API we provide which doesn't have this problem. If you don't like fragile plugins that crash your game server then please don't use them. - Alfred Adam Sando wrote: From a good faith perspective, yes they should engage 3rd party developers to ensure adequate testing has taken place. From a project deadline point of view, taking into account the fact most CEO's/Boards of directors are quite tight with timelines, they might not want to have their dev teams engage 3rd party developers to ensure their updates work, as this could be seen as a monumental waste of time. Ethically, it would be nice if valve had a strong relationship with the 3rd party development base out there, however sometimes business takes precedence over pleasure. It's just hard to define how much a part of Valves business, comes from Game Server Administrators, and how much would come from other market avenues. I might not be right, but this is what I would think happens at Valve when they are planning their updates? Regards, Adam -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [DumB]TeXas Sent: Friday, 25 August 2006 1:57 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released I don't think you have read what I said though Adam, I haven't said they have any legal obligations and I haven't said that _they_ should make sure things works with their updates. What I suggested was that they do more of an effort to help the developers to debug their own plugins before updates go official - by for an example providing a test environment such as an update they can apply a few days before the release. This way the _developers of the 3rd party plugins_ can do their job and get it working with the new updates. This should only mean extending the time before a new update
RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
Yes, it is true that Valve is under no obligation to notify third party plug-in providers about anything they are doing... it may make reasonable sense to reasonable people, but nothing is forcing Valve to do so. On the other hand... no company can survive if their customers are repeatedly subject to loss of whatever service that company provides... be it disruption in product performance or in the supply chain. Valve appears to have the supply chain issued locked-up in that you automatically get the updates or (in the case of servers) are forced to download the updates or face loosing your listing however; the service side of the equation is perceived to be a failure by a fair percentage of server admins. Perhaps this is unfair to Valve, but it is the general perception and perception trumps reality every time. It is an established fact that without servers there is no game and most servers are running mods and plug-ins and these products wouldn't exist unless there was a valid measurable need for them. For Valve to imply that the problems caused by their updates (which are not optional, are strictly the responsibility of the third party providers, is for Valve to turn it's back on it's own installed customer base. This is never a good thing. I sometimes wonder why we play this game... what's the point really? But then again, why do people bowl or play golf or tennis... these are all games that people play for enjoyment... just like we do. The only difference is that we use a computer and they use a ball, or a club, or a racket. So what if every time AMF made an improvement to their bowling machines all bowling centers no longer worked... of if they improved their tennis rackets all the tennis courts in the world stopped working or made a change to their golf clubs all the golf courses closed for a week? This would never be tolerated and I doubt that AMF would try to blame these problems on the way people were attempting to use their products... even if it were true. It is absolutely true that the plug-in makers are responsible for altering their code to accommodate changes Valve makes... that fact is not in question. Several on this list have made reasonable suggestions as to how Valve could easily avoid all the problems for their customers by either making the third party providers aware of code changes or having a few servers of their own running the third party stuff and notify the handful of third party providers if an update will break their code. This appears to be a reasonable approach. Neither myself or anyone's else is suggesting that Valve alter their code to fit third parties... just let the third parties know that the change will break their code and give them a few days before the update release to fix the problem. I'm certain that the server admins would be extremely grateful for that simply act of sanity. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 9:12 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Some of us do not have a choice of using these plugins. People have asked nicely over and over again that Valve merely communicate with the four or five main plugin developers before a patch is released so those of us that have to run these plugins do not have our servers down waiting for a fix. It is bad enough that you ram these updates (that half the time make it worse) down people's throats. But you offer no prep, no indication of what you are changing or breaking. Why don't you see if the popular plugins break updates before release? How long would it take to test the four or five common plugins that everyone uses and tell admins what works and what doesn't so that everyone does not have to scramble to get their servers to stop crashing? If it were not for MODs and plugins I would have stopped playing HL years ago. The people that run servers are your lifeblood, we are not asking a lot just a little consideration. As someone else said, if the SDK offered everything that the plugin developers needed I am sure they would use it. but they don't. -YMAC On 8/25/06 1:55 AM, Alfred Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is that these plugins are hacking into hard coded offsets in the game server, one tiny code change from us and the plugin blows up. The solution is for them to use the plugin API we provide which doesn't have this problem. If you don't like fragile plugins that crash your game server then please don't use them. - Alfred Adam Sando wrote: From a good faith perspective, yes they should engage 3rd party developers to ensure adequate testing has taken place. From a project deadline point of view, taking into account the fact most CEO's/Boards of directors are quite tight with timelines, they might not want to have their dev teams engage 3rd party developers to ensure their updates work, as this could be seen as a monumental waste
RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
Amen to your example, I do disagree on one thing though; just let the third parties know that the change will break their code - This would take a lot of resources because valve won't automatically know that if they change this particular thing, this and that plugin will break. It would require a lot of debugging with 3rd party plugins to figure out and this is *not* valves responsibility - however if they just provided the information and tools necessary for the 3rd party developers to do this job them self I think we'd all be happy. All that would take is a pre-release of the new updates and possibly a change-log which I am sure they use in their development anyway. With a pre-release, fixes/new versions could be ready the second valve officially release their update(s) - server admins would only have to go to the various plugin websites and grab the new version after doing the update and be up and running again quickly. I'm sure this would cut back on time needed for support and discussions like this as well - in the end possibly saving you both hassle and money + having happy customers which doesn't hurt. ;) I think there have been similar discussions like this going on for ages. I noticed the same thing has just started at the linux mail-list as well with basically the same concept of pre-releasing updates a few days in advance being suggested. Maybe its time for valve to take this seriously and look into the possibility if this have not been done already? I'd be very grateful if Alfred or someone could give us some comments on this. NOTE: not on the concept of checking that it works etc - but on the possibility of having a pre-release system. - TeX. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Luna Sent: 27. august 2006 17:17 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Importance: Low Yes, it is true that Valve is under no obligation to notify third party plug-in providers about anything they are doing... it may make reasonable sense to reasonable people, but nothing is forcing Valve to do so. On the other hand... no company can survive if their customers are repeatedly subject to loss of whatever service that company provides... be it disruption in product performance or in the supply chain. Valve appears to have the supply chain issued locked-up in that you automatically get the updates or (in the case of servers) are forced to download the updates or face loosing your listing however; the service side of the equation is perceived to be a failure by a fair percentage of server admins. Perhaps this is unfair to Valve, but it is the general perception and perception trumps reality every time. It is an established fact that without servers there is no game and most servers are running mods and plug-ins and these products wouldn't exist unless there was a valid measurable need for them. For Valve to imply that the problems caused by their updates (which are not optional, are strictly the responsibility of the third party providers, is for Valve to turn it's back on it's own installed customer base. This is never a good thing. I sometimes wonder why we play this game... what's the point really? But then again, why do people bowl or play golf or tennis... these are all games that people play for enjoyment... just like we do. The only difference is that we use a computer and they use a ball, or a club, or a racket. So what if every time AMF made an improvement to their bowling machines all bowling centers no longer worked... of if they improved their tennis rackets all the tennis courts in the world stopped working or made a change to their golf clubs all the golf courses closed for a week? This would never be tolerated and I doubt that AMF would try to blame these problems on the way people were attempting to use their products... even if it were true. It is absolutely true that the plug-in makers are responsible for altering their code to accommodate changes Valve makes... that fact is not in question. Several on this list have made reasonable suggestions as to how Valve could easily avoid all the problems for their customers by either making the third party providers aware of code changes or having a few servers of their own running the third party stuff and notify the handful of third party providers if an update will break their code. This appears to be a reasonable approach. Neither myself or anyone's else is suggesting that Valve alter their code to fit third parties... just let the third parties know that the change will break their code and give them a few days before the update release to fix the problem. I'm certain that the server admins would be extremely grateful for that simply act of sanity. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 9:12 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Now that I think about, it is actually a good thing that Valve updates break all these plugins. Its amazing how much coding gets done when this happens. :) Nothing beats poking a stick into the mod communities ant nest. :D It does seem to be a way to breathe fresh air into what appear to be stagnant projects. On 8/28/06, [DumB]TeXas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amen to your example, I do disagree on one thing though; just let the third parties know that the change will break their code - This would take a lot of resources because valve won't automatically know that if they change this particular thing, this and that plugin will break. It would require a lot of debugging with 3rd party plugins to figure out and this is *not* valves responsibility - however if they just provided the information and tools necessary for the 3rd party developers to do this job them self I think we'd all be happy. All that would take is a pre-release of the new updates and possibly a change-log which I am sure they use in their development anyway. With a pre-release, fixes/new versions could be ready the second valve officially release their update(s) - server admins would only have to go to the various plugin websites and grab the new version after doing the update and be up and running again quickly. I'm sure this would cut back on time needed for support and discussions like this as well - in the end possibly saving you both hassle and money + having happy customers which doesn't hurt. ;) I think there have been similar discussions like this going on for ages. I noticed the same thing has just started at the linux mail-list as well with basically the same concept of pre-releasing updates a few days in advance being suggested. Maybe its time for valve to take this seriously and look into the possibility if this have not been done already? I'd be very grateful if Alfred or someone could give us some comments on this. NOTE: not on the concept of checking that it works etc - but on the possibility of having a pre-release system. - TeX. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Luna Sent: 27. august 2006 17:17 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Importance: Low Yes, it is true that Valve is under no obligation to notify third party plug-in providers about anything they are doing... it may make reasonable sense to reasonable people, but nothing is forcing Valve to do so. On the other hand... no company can survive if their customers are repeatedly subject to loss of whatever service that company provides... be it disruption in product performance or in the supply chain. Valve appears to have the supply chain issued locked-up in that you automatically get the updates or (in the case of servers) are forced to download the updates or face loosing your listing however; the service side of the equation is perceived to be a failure by a fair percentage of server admins. Perhaps this is unfair to Valve, but it is the general perception and perception trumps reality every time. It is an established fact that without servers there is no game and most servers are running mods and plug-ins and these products wouldn't exist unless there was a valid measurable need for them. For Valve to imply that the problems caused by their updates (which are not optional, are strictly the responsibility of the third party providers, is for Valve to turn it's back on it's own installed customer base. This is never a good thing. I sometimes wonder why we play this game... what's the point really? But then again, why do people bowl or play golf or tennis... these are all games that people play for enjoyment... just like we do. The only difference is that we use a computer and they use a ball, or a club, or a racket. So what if every time AMF made an improvement to their bowling machines all bowling centers no longer worked... of if they improved their tennis rackets all the tennis courts in the world stopped working or made a change to their golf clubs all the golf courses closed for a week? This would never be tolerated and I doubt that AMF would try to blame these problems on the way people were attempting to use their products... even if it were true. It is absolutely true that the plug-in makers are responsible for altering their code to accommodate changes Valve makes... that fact is not in question. Several on this list have made reasonable suggestions as to how Valve could easily avoid all the problems for their customers by either making the third party providers aware of code changes or having a few servers of their own running the third party stuff and notify the handful of third party providers if an update will break their code. This appears to be a reasonable approach. Neither myself
RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
Oooh - I smell fresh flame bait LOL ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whisper Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 1:06 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Now that I think about, it is actually a good thing that Valve updates break all these plugins. Its amazing how much coding gets done when this happens. :) Nothing beats poking a stick into the mod communities ant nest. :D It does seem to be a way to breathe fresh air into what appear to be stagnant projects. On 8/28/06, [DumB]TeXas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amen to your example, I do disagree on one thing though; just let the third parties know that the change will break their code - This would take a lot of resources because valve won't automatically know that if they change this particular thing, this and that plugin will break. It would require a lot of debugging with 3rd party plugins to figure out and this is *not* valves responsibility - however if they just provided the information and tools necessary for the 3rd party developers to do this job them self I think we'd all be happy. All that would take is a pre-release of the new updates and possibly a change-log which I am sure they use in their development anyway. With a pre-release, fixes/new versions could be ready the second valve officially release their update(s) - server admins would only have to go to the various plugin websites and grab the new version after doing the update and be up and running again quickly. I'm sure this would cut back on time needed for support and discussions like this as well - in the end possibly saving you both hassle and money + having happy customers which doesn't hurt. ;) I think there have been similar discussions like this going on for ages. I noticed the same thing has just started at the linux mail-list as well with basically the same concept of pre-releasing updates a few days in advance being suggested. Maybe its time for valve to take this seriously and look into the possibility if this have not been done already? I'd be very grateful if Alfred or someone could give us some comments on this. NOTE: not on the concept of checking that it works etc - but on the possibility of having a pre-release system. - TeX. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Luna Sent: 27. august 2006 17:17 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Importance: Low Yes, it is true that Valve is under no obligation to notify third party plug-in providers about anything they are doing... it may make reasonable sense to reasonable people, but nothing is forcing Valve to do so. On the other hand... no company can survive if their customers are repeatedly subject to loss of whatever service that company provides... be it disruption in product performance or in the supply chain. Valve appears to have the supply chain issued locked-up in that you automatically get the updates or (in the case of servers) are forced to download the updates or face loosing your listing however; the service side of the equation is perceived to be a failure by a fair percentage of server admins. Perhaps this is unfair to Valve, but it is the general perception and perception trumps reality every time. It is an established fact that without servers there is no game and most servers are running mods and plug-ins and these products wouldn't exist unless there was a valid measurable need for them. For Valve to imply that the problems caused by their updates (which are not optional, are strictly the responsibility of the third party providers, is for Valve to turn it's back on it's own installed customer base. This is never a good thing. I sometimes wonder why we play this game... what's the point really? But then again, why do people bowl or play golf or tennis... these are all games that people play for enjoyment... just like we do. The only difference is that we use a computer and they use a ball, or a club, or a racket. So what if every time AMF made an improvement to their bowling machines all bowling centers no longer worked... of if they improved their tennis rackets all the tennis courts in the world stopped working or made a change to their golf clubs all the golf courses closed for a week? This would never be tolerated and I doubt that AMF would try to blame these problems on the way people were attempting to use their products... even if it were true. It is absolutely true that the plug-in makers are responsible for altering their code to accommodate changes Valve makes... that fact is not in question. Several on this list have made reasonable suggestions as to how Valve could easily avoid all the problems for their customers by either making
RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
How is this even a debate? Valve is saying go by our rules AKA sdk, and the mods will be fine. The mod makers should adhere to the rules. If the mod maker wants to add a feature that has to go around the API, shame on them. The community should tell the mod makers to stick to the rules. I wish there was a admin type mod that followed the rules 100%, I would use it in a heartbeat. -Bobby ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] It's not flame bait, its merely an observation that everytime Valve breaks all the Mods, is strangely around the same time the Mod authors appear to become the most productive. Or am just imagining things? :) On 8/28/06, Frazer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oooh - I smell fresh flame bait LOL ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whisper Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 1:06 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Now that I think about, it is actually a good thing that Valve updates break all these plugins. Its amazing how much coding gets done when this happens. :) Nothing beats poking a stick into the mod communities ant nest. :D It does seem to be a way to breathe fresh air into what appear to be stagnant projects. On 8/28/06, [DumB]TeXas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amen to your example, I do disagree on one thing though; just let the third parties know that the change will break their code - This would take a lot of resources because valve won't automatically know that if they change this particular thing, this and that plugin will break. It would require a lot of debugging with 3rd party plugins to figure out and this is *not* valves responsibility - however if they just provided the information and tools necessary for the 3rd party developers to do this job them self I think we'd all be happy. All that would take is a pre-release of the new updates and possibly a change-log which I am sure they use in their development anyway. With a pre-release, fixes/new versions could be ready the second valve officially release their update(s) - server admins would only have to go to the various plugin websites and grab the new version after doing the update and be up and running again quickly. I'm sure this would cut back on time needed for support and discussions like this as well - in the end possibly saving you both hassle and money + having happy customers which doesn't hurt. ;) I think there have been similar discussions like this going on for ages. I noticed the same thing has just started at the linux mail-list as well with basically the same concept of pre-releasing updates a few days in advance being suggested. Maybe its time for valve to take this seriously and look into the possibility if this have not been done already? I'd be very grateful if Alfred or someone could give us some comments on this. NOTE: not on the concept of checking that it works etc - but on the possibility of having a pre-release system. - TeX. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Luna Sent: 27. august 2006 17:17 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Importance: Low Yes, it is true that Valve is under no obligation to notify third party plug-in providers about anything they are doing... it may make reasonable sense to reasonable people, but nothing is forcing Valve to do so. On the other hand... no company can survive if their customers are repeatedly subject to loss of whatever service that company provides... be it disruption in product performance or in the supply chain. Valve appears to have the supply chain issued locked-up in that you automatically get the updates or (in the case of servers) are forced to download the updates or face loosing your listing however; the service side of the equation is perceived to be a failure by a fair percentage of server admins. Perhaps this is unfair to Valve, but it is the general perception and perception trumps reality every time. It is an established fact that without servers there is no game and most servers are running mods and plug-ins and these products wouldn't exist unless there was a valid measurable need for them. For Valve to imply that the problems caused by their updates (which are not optional, are strictly the responsibility of the third party providers, is for Valve to turn it's back on it's own installed customer base. This is never a good thing. I sometimes wonder why we play this game... what's the point really? But then again, why do people bowl or play golf or tennis... these are all games that people play for enjoyment... just like we do. The only difference is that we use a computer and they use a ball, or a club, or a racket. So what if every time AMF made an improvement to their bowling machines all bowling centers no longer worked... of if they improved their tennis rackets all the tennis courts in the world stopped working or made a change to their golf clubs all the golf courses closed for a week? This would never be tolerated and I doubt that AMF would try to blame
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
Seeing Valve's point of view on this, any suggestion here, even just pre-releasing the server updates in advance of the public release, is going to increase Valve's workload because of people using unsupported methods in plugins, and I think it should be pretty obvious to everyone why Valve see that as unacceptable. The real issue is why plugin developers have to use unsupported methods in the first place, and the dialogue should be around providing the means by which plugin developers shouldn't have to do things an unsupported way so that this becomes a non-issue. In the meantime, the plugin developers who do use unsupported methods should just make everyone aware that their plugins are inevitably going to break on a version roll. - Original Message - From: bobby35ny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 5:42 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released How is this even a debate? Valve is saying go by our rules AKA sdk, and the mods will be fine. The mod makers should adhere to the rules. If the mod maker wants to add a feature that has to go around the API, shame on them. The community should tell the mod makers to stick to the rules. I wish there was a admin type mod that followed the rules 100%, I would use it in a heartbeat. -Bobby ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
What we _really_ need is a proper plugin framework like amx - it's been a good while since source was released now and we still haven't seen anything of sourcemod. If we had this, made properly using the supported methods, developers could use this to build fairly stable plugins and we could for an example have database functionality. A proper bansystem that can check users against a central ban database and plugins allowing things like advertising messages, admins, reserved slots, mod XP points and whatever being read from a database instead of files are some examples where this is needed. However, in the meantime the SDK does not provide all the functionality the developers need - if it did they would be using it. That valve has no obligations to help the people making it possible for us to run our game servers is bs imo. I would certainly not be able to run my servers without proper admin support (no, rcon doesn't do the trick) and as long as valve does not provide any solutions for this them self they should be very grateful for the work these developers put into making their game service better. These developers put a lot of time and effort into this and do not demand any money back from the users - while valve is a multi-billion business (god knows how much they have earned on online hl based games over the years). Not to mention people like us that put A LOT of our spare time into running servers for their games. Without all the people out there doing this, valve would not have a customer base for their online games (there would be no servers). If just the ~250k players we have had playing at our servers over the past year or so have used $30 on steam games - that's $750 worth of players using our services free of charge. In the end valve should not just turn their backs to us and just tell us not to use these 3rd party plugins when valve can solve this fairly easily and save all their customers and people providing services for their games for a lot of problems. All it would take is pre-releasing their updates so that developers can debug their plugins before everyone is forced to update and have a fix ready. (Wee I've said that so many times now :D) Best regards the AFPRM (Admins For Pre Release Movement). :P -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Simpson Sent: 27. august 2006 18:56 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Seeing Valve's point of view on this, any suggestion here, even just pre-releasing the server updates in advance of the public release, is going to increase Valve's workload because of people using unsupported methods in plugins, and I think it should be pretty obvious to everyone why Valve see that as unacceptable. The real issue is why plugin developers have to use unsupported methods in the first place, and the dialogue should be around providing the means by which plugin developers shouldn't have to do things an unsupported way so that this becomes a non-issue. In the meantime, the plugin developers who do use unsupported methods should just make everyone aware that their plugins are inevitably going to break on a version roll. - Original Message - From: bobby35ny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 5:42 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released How is this even a debate? Valve is saying go by our rules AKA sdk, and the mods will be fine. The mod makers should adhere to the rules. If the mod maker wants to add a feature that has to go around the API, shame on them. The community should tell the mod makers to stick to the rules. I wish there was a admin type mod that followed the rules 100%, I would use it in a heartbeat. -Bobby ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 8/25/2006 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
You know what? Developers of plug-ins know that they can make a simple admin mod (kick, ban, tk) without any of the fancy stuff (stats, xp, whatever) by using the SDK API. Or maybe they don't. They know that their users (all of us) would love something like this, but they continue to use SourceMM. How hard would it be for them to simply throw out a generic admin mod that they never have to touch again, just for those of us that don't want some fancy plug-in. If someone would just make that plugin, there'd be no more problems. No one would have any reason to ask Valve to do any of this stupid stuff. We already have what we _really_ need. No one cares enough to use it. And until they do, everybody's going to complain about the provided API not being enough. No one has to deal with Steam update patch breaks, but they choose to use plug-ins that they know are going to break. There's an alternative and you know it, so stop complaining. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: [DumB]TeXas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 20:25:38 +0200 Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com What we _really_ need is a proper plugin framework like amx - it's been a good while since source was released now and we still haven't seen anything of sourcemod. If we had this, made properly using the supported methods, developers could use this to build fairly stable plugins and we could for an example have database functionality. A proper bansystem that can check users against a central ban database and plugins allowing things like advertising messages, admins, reserved slots, mod XP points and whatever being read from a database instead of files are some examples where this is needed. However, in the meantime the SDK does not provide all the functionality the developers need - if it did they would be using it. That valve has no obligations to help the people making it possible for us to run our game servers is bs imo. I would certainly not be able to run my servers without proper admin support (no, rcon doesn't do the trick) and as long as valve does not provide any solutions for this them self they should be very grateful for the work these developers put into making their game service better. These developers put a lot of time and effort into this and do not demand any money back from the users - while valve is a multi-billion business (god knows how much they have earned on online hl based games over the years). Not to mention people like us that put A LOT of our spare time into running servers for their games. Without all the people out there doing this, valve would not have a customer base for their online games (there would be no servers). If just the ~250k players we have had playing at our servers over the past year or so have used $30 on steam games - that's $750 worth of players using our services free of charge. In the end valve should not just turn their backs to us and just tell us not to use these 3rd party plugins when valve can solve this fairly easily and save all their customers and people providing services for their games for a lot of problems. All it would take is pre-releasing their updates so that developers can debug their plugins before everyone is forced to update and have a fix ready. (Wee I've said that so many times now :D) Best regards the AFPRM (Admins For Pre Release Movement). :P -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Simpson Sent: 27. august 2006 18:56 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Seeing Valve's point of view on this, any suggestion here, even just pre-releasing the server updates in advance of the public release, is going to increase Valve's workload because of people using unsupported methods in plugins, and I think it should be pretty obvious to everyone why Valve see that as unacceptable. The real issue is why plugin developers have to use unsupported methods in the first place, and the dialogue should be around providing the means by which plugin developers shouldn't have to do things an unsupported way so that this becomes a non-issue. In the meantime, the plugin developers who do use unsupported methods should just make everyone aware that their plugins are inevitably going to break on a version roll. - Original Message - From: bobby35ny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 5:42 PM Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released How is this even a debate? Valve is saying go by our rules AKA sdk, and the mods will be fine. The mod makers should adhere to the rules. If the mod maker wants to add a feature that has to go around the API, shame on them. The community should tell the mod makers to stick to the rules. I wish
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
edit your gameinfo.txt - Original Message - From: Dave Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released i haven't finished catching up yet but my server is reporting metamod is not running. and it was before the update. Also my copy of zblock is not loaded either. FFS valve sort yourselves out. Adam Sando wrote: I'm finding my server only seems to bite the bullet when it tries to load some non-valve maps. I'm just going through some maps during my lunch break to try work out what the trigger is. If its occurring on vanilla servers with no 3rd party mods, I'd assume people on this list have already tried disabling Metamod, etc? Regards, Adam fLAiL Sando. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whisper Sent: Friday, 25 August 2006 12:00 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Mani is fixed afaik Its just a changed gametypes.txt http://www.mani-admin-plugin.com/mani_admin_plugin/gametypes/gametypes.t xt Cheers On 8/25/06, Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: actually, we're running a naked server (disabled /addons) with no customs in rotation on windows. it crashes, oh, every other map. rented from nuclearfallout for those keeping score at home. On 8/24/06, [DumB]TeXas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well 1.1.0zi does 'work', as in; it will start and everything will appear to be working - admin menu works and most admin commands (not slay) works from what I could see. However, the second a player dies the server dies with it. So in other words, its not exactly of much use... :P The new update was not too bad; the new radar is kind of nice if you ask me... I would however not say that a new and fancy radar is worth breaking just about any 3rd party plugin running at any server out there though... Surely you know by now that probably the majority of counter-strike:source servers out there is running the mani admin plugin for an example. Has it not occurred to you that it might be worth putting a bit extra time into making sure that at least the major ones will be working with your new updates? You could for an example have a dev section at your forums, where registered developers for the major 3rd party plugins could get access to new updates and information a few days in advance so that they could debug and update their plugins before the update was released to the general public. Just throwing an idea out there, Imo _something_ should be done to improve this either way. (The issue with updates breaking everything happens just about every time) It wouldn't kill you to postpone the full release a few extra days, nor would it kill you to take better care of your customers and the people that is actually developing for your games and running the servers making your games the success they are! Remember that in the end valve wouldn't be this great if there were no people interested in running game servers out there and coding plugins and mods. Spending some extra time, effort and money to make life a bit easier for those could be a good idea. ;) My 2 cents... TeX. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Albiniak Sent: 25. august 2006 01:52 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released rumor is 1.1.0zi works, but the beta series is having trouble. i'm running 1.2betaN rc2, and it's definitely having trouble. On 8/24/06, Link Pankratz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does Mani have a fix out yet? Link Matt Albiniak wrote: fyi - breaks mani-admin-plugin. please keep your hands and feet inside the car at all times.. On 8/24/06, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] My 1 man campaign paid off Thanks guys On 8/25/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Updates to Counter-Strike: Source have been released. Unless your are running a Linux server that auto-updates, please hldsupdatetool to get the update. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: * The radar display has been enhanced * de_train has received a High Dynamic Range (HDR) lighting treatment, as well as some bug fixes and layout tweaks * The player's eye height while crouching now matches their in-game player model eye position more closely * SourceTV now shows the weapon in first-person view * SourceTV supports the tv_transmitall
RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
The problem is that these plugins are hacking into hard coded offsets in the game server, one tiny code change from us and the plugin blows up. The solution is for them to use the plugin API we provide which doesn't have this problem. If you don't like fragile plugins that crash your game server then please don't use them. - Alfred Adam Sando wrote: From a good faith perspective, yes they should engage 3rd party developers to ensure adequate testing has taken place. From a project deadline point of view, taking into account the fact most CEO's/Boards of directors are quite tight with timelines, they might not want to have their dev teams engage 3rd party developers to ensure their updates work, as this could be seen as a monumental waste of time. Ethically, it would be nice if valve had a strong relationship with the 3rd party development base out there, however sometimes business takes precedence over pleasure. It's just hard to define how much a part of Valves business, comes from Game Server Administrators, and how much would come from other market avenues. I might not be right, but this is what I would think happens at Valve when they are planning their updates? Regards, Adam -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [DumB]TeXas Sent: Friday, 25 August 2006 1:57 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released I don't think you have read what I said though Adam, I haven't said they have any legal obligations and I haven't said that _they_ should make sure things works with their updates. What I suggested was that they do more of an effort to help the developers to debug their own plugins before updates go official - by for an example providing a test environment such as an update they can apply a few days before the release. This way the _developers of the 3rd party plugins_ can do their job and get it working with the new updates. This should only mean extending the time before a new update by a few days which doesn't matter when it comes to cosmetic updates such as this one. If anything, this goes under a moral obligation, to help all the people out there putting time, money and effort into running their games on servers and developing 3rd party plugins that makes their games playable - such as proper admin tools. TeX. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Sando Sent: 25. august 2006 05:38 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Just remember Tex, Valve have no legal or moral obligations to provide support or compatibility with any 3rd party plugins not written by Valve. Valve try to make their updates as flawless as possible, however they are not able to make sure that every infinite combination of plugins work together. Not unless you want 1 update per year perhaps? ;) Regards, Adam. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [DumB]TeXas Sent: Friday, 25 August 2006 1:03 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Some of the metamod plugis appears not to be working - and my little rant there still stands regardless. Not that anyone cares about it. I just don't think I am the only one that is a 'tad' sick of updates breaking everything from a to z - and tbh there could be more effort to prevent it than there is today. Oh well... Server with v1.2 beta and the new gametypes.txt, on a windows 2003 server machine seems to work like a charm though. Cheers! :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Albiniak Sent: 25. august 2006 04:50 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released link- please let me know if your server stays up without a crash for more than 2 rounds or 60 minutes. ours isn't, even without mani. :( On 8/24/06, Link Pankratz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just as an addendum to my last post, the slay command *does* work with the new gametypes.txt but I have *not* tested everything else. I have also not experienced the server dying with the player. Link [DumB]TeXas wrote: Well 1.1.0zi does 'work', as in; it will start and everything will appear to be working - admin menu works and most admin commands (not slay) works from what I could see. However, the second a player dies the server dies with it. So in other words, its not exactly of much use... :P ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view
RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
Well said. :) Hard coding offsets is bad, generally, unless you are lazy. At 01:55 AM 8/25/2006, Alfred Reynolds wrote: The problem is that these plugins are hacking into hard coded offsets in the game server, one tiny code change from us and the plugin blows up. The solution is for them to use the plugin API we provide which doesn't have this problem. If you don't like fragile plugins that crash your game server then please don't use them. - Alfred ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
Agreed. -Original Message- From: [DumB]TeXas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 12:27 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released I don't think you have read what I said though Adam, I haven't said they have any legal obligations and I haven't said that _they_ should make sure things works with their updates. What I suggested was that they do more of an effort to help the developers to debug their own plugins before updates go official - by for an example providing a test environment such as an update they can apply a few days before the release. This way the _developers of the 3rd party plugins_ can do their job and get it working with the new updates. This should only mean extending the time before a new update by a few days which doesn't matter when it comes to cosmetic updates such as this one. If anything, this goes under a moral obligation, to help all the people out there putting time, money and effort into running their games on servers and developing 3rd party plugins that makes their games playable - such as proper admin tools. TeX. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Sando Sent: 25. august 2006 05:38 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Just remember Tex, Valve have no legal or moral obligations to provide support or compatibility with any 3rd party plugins not written by Valve. Valve try to make their updates as flawless as possible, however they are not able to make sure that every infinite combination of plugins work together. Not unless you want 1 update per year perhaps? ;) Regards, Adam. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [DumB]TeXas Sent: Friday, 25 August 2006 1:03 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Some of the metamod plugis appears not to be working - and my little rant there still stands regardless. Not that anyone cares about it. I just don't think I am the only one that is a 'tad' sick of updates breaking everything from a to z - and tbh there could be more effort to prevent it than there is today. Oh well... Server with v1.2 beta and the new gametypes.txt, on a windows 2003 server machine seems to work like a charm though. Cheers! :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Albiniak Sent: 25. august 2006 04:50 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released link- please let me know if your server stays up without a crash for more than 2 rounds or 60 minutes. ours isn't, even without mani. :( On 8/24/06, Link Pankratz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just as an addendum to my last post, the slay command *does* work with the new gametypes.txt but I have *not* tested everything else. I have also not experienced the server dying with the player. Link [DumB]TeXas wrote: Well 1.1.0zi does 'work', as in; it will start and everything will appear to be working - admin menu works and most admin commands (not slay) works from what I could see. However, the second a player dies the server dies with it. So in other words, its not exactly of much use... :P ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.5/426 - Release Date: 8/23/2006 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.5/426 - Release Date: 8/23/2006 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] You have to measure the tradeoff. Do you want a plugin that can record stats and maybe do map votes (using an ESC menu that no one sees to use for voting)? Or do you want a plugin that does all the things you're used to using in Mani at the price of sometimes needing an update when srcds is updated? Each server operator has to decide that for themselves. Grant (L. Duke) On 8/24/06, Alfred Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is that these plugins are hacking into hard coded offsets in the game server, one tiny code change from us and the plugin blows up. The solution is for them to use the plugin API we provide which doesn't have this problem. If you don't like fragile plugins that crash your game server then please don't use them. - Alfred -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
This is a tough issue, on both sides. Both Adam and Alfred make good points, in defense of Valve - however, it would be interesting to hear from the developers of such mods as Mani as to why they chose not to use the documented SDK in the development of some features within their applications. It's clear to me, for example, that the author of the Mani mod has his wits about him - so simply attributing his design decisions to laziness or bad practice might be a bit facile. Is there something he needed to do that forced him to use hard-coded offsets? Do the features he developed pre-date the implementation of better support in a subsequent SDK update? One thing I completely agree with is that there is a very important, if unconscious, symbiotic relationship between Valve and the developers of tools such as Mani. The wide acceptance and use of these tools speaks to a need in the gaming community that is not fulfilled by Valve directly. This is not a criticism, Valve does what they do quite well. But for thousands of players, Mani Mod makes the game more enjoyable and helps control unwelcome behaviour. Nevertheless, a bit of coordination with major admin-mod developers (of which there are probably very few) leading up to the release of an update might go a ways to making the upgrade transition smoother. To the credit of admin-mod developers like Mani, they are very quick to test and adjust to problems. I am curious - to what extent and how do most admins go about testing Valve updates before turning them up on their production server(s)? Frazer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Luna Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 10:07 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Agreed. -Original Message- From: [DumB]TeXas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 12:27 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released I don't think you have read what I said though Adam, I haven't said they have any legal obligations and I haven't said that _they_ should make sure things works with their updates. What I suggested was that they do more of an effort to help the developers to debug their own plugins before updates go official - by for an example providing a test environment such as an update they can apply a few days before the release. This way the _developers of the 3rd party plugins_ can do their job and get it working with the new updates. This should only mean extending the time before a new update by a few days which doesn't matter when it comes to cosmetic updates such as this one. If anything, this goes under a moral obligation, to help all the people out there putting time, money and effort into running their games on servers and developing 3rd party plugins that makes their games playable - such as proper admin tools. TeX. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Sando Sent: 25. august 2006 05:38 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Just remember Tex, Valve have no legal or moral obligations to provide support or compatibility with any 3rd party plugins not written by Valve. Valve try to make their updates as flawless as possible, however they are not able to make sure that every infinite combination of plugins work together. Not unless you want 1 update per year perhaps? ;) Regards, Adam. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [DumB]TeXas Sent: Friday, 25 August 2006 1:03 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Some of the metamod plugis appears not to be working - and my little rant there still stands regardless. Not that anyone cares about it. I just don't think I am the only one that is a 'tad' sick of updates breaking everything from a to z - and tbh there could be more effort to prevent it than there is today. Oh well... Server with v1.2 beta and the new gametypes.txt, on a windows 2003 server machine seems to work like a charm though. Cheers! :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Albiniak Sent: 25. august 2006 04:50 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released link- please let me know if your server stays up without a crash for more than 2 rounds or 60 minutes. ours isn't, even without mani. :( On 8/24/06, Link Pankratz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just as an addendum to my last post, the slay command *does* work with the new gametypes.txt but I have *not* tested everything else. I have also not experienced the server dying with the player. Link [DumB]TeXas wrote: Well 1.1.0zi does 'work', as in; it will start and everything will appear to be working - admin menu works and most
RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
Well I don't think we can expect valve to cooperate with these on new releases as that would, as someone said previously, take a lot of extra time. Why not do like I suggested - give them the possibility to download the update a few days before it goes official so that the developers them self can do the work and make sure its working? They could for an example use a parameter like -downloadbeta or something with the hlds updatetool to get it - I think that could work quite well. What you said Alfred, that they hack into hard coded offsets and thus breaks every time u do an update - is all fair and square - no one is blaming you guys for that. All I am saying is that I think you could do more to help these developers correct the errors before you release an update so that the transition can be a bit smoother for all the people running game servers out there. I'm afraid it's not as simple as Just don't use them, a lot of people rely on plugins such as mani in order to administrate their servers - all the fancy futures are less important. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frazer Sent: 25. august 2006 15:33 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released This is a tough issue, on both sides. Both Adam and Alfred make good points, in defense of Valve - however, it would be interesting to hear from the developers of such mods as Mani as to why they chose not to use the documented SDK in the development of some features within their applications. It's clear to me, for example, that the author of the Mani mod has his wits about him - so simply attributing his design decisions to laziness or bad practice might be a bit facile. Is there something he needed to do that forced him to use hard-coded offsets? Do the features he developed pre-date the implementation of better support in a subsequent SDK update? One thing I completely agree with is that there is a very important, if unconscious, symbiotic relationship between Valve and the developers of tools such as Mani. The wide acceptance and use of these tools speaks to a need in the gaming community that is not fulfilled by Valve directly. This is not a criticism, Valve does what they do quite well. But for thousands of players, Mani Mod makes the game more enjoyable and helps control unwelcome behaviour. Nevertheless, a bit of coordination with major admin-mod developers (of which there are probably very few) leading up to the release of an update might go a ways to making the upgrade transition smoother. To the credit of admin-mod developers like Mani, they are very quick to test and adjust to problems. I am curious - to what extent and how do most admins go about testing Valve updates before turning them up on their production server(s)? Frazer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Luna Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 10:07 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Agreed. -Original Message- From: [DumB]TeXas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 12:27 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released I don't think you have read what I said though Adam, I haven't said they have any legal obligations and I haven't said that _they_ should make sure things works with their updates. What I suggested was that they do more of an effort to help the developers to debug their own plugins before updates go official - by for an example providing a test environment such as an update they can apply a few days before the release. This way the _developers of the 3rd party plugins_ can do their job and get it working with the new updates. This should only mean extending the time before a new update by a few days which doesn't matter when it comes to cosmetic updates such as this one. If anything, this goes under a moral obligation, to help all the people out there putting time, money and effort into running their games on servers and developing 3rd party plugins that makes their games playable - such as proper admin tools. TeX. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Sando Sent: 25. august 2006 05:38 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released Just remember Tex, Valve have no legal or moral obligations to provide support or compatibility with any 3rd party plugins not written by Valve. Valve try to make their updates as flawless as possible, however they are not able to make sure that every infinite combination of plugins work together. Not unless you want 1 update per year perhaps? ;) Regards, Adam. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [DumB]TeXas Sent: Friday, 25 August 2006 1:03 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] If this is a negative comment then I object - NuclearFallout is great. They pro-actively went out and got all 3 of my AwpaholicA servers up and running without me having to ask them. That was amazing since I was at work and unable to spend time debugging the servers until many hours after the release. At least my community was able to play in the meantime. Thanks NFO! Matt Albiniak wrote: actually, we're running a naked server (disabled /addons) with no customs in rotation on windows. it crashes, oh, every other map. rented from nuclearfallout for those keeping score at home. On 8/24/06, [DumB]TeXas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well 1.1.0zi does 'work', as in; it will start and everything will appear to be working - admin menu works and most admin commands (not slay) works from what I could see. However, the second a player dies the server dies with it. So in other words, its not exactly of much use... :P The new update was not too bad; the new radar is kind of nice if you ask me... I would however not say that a new and fancy radar is worth breaking just about any 3rd party plugin running at any server out there though... Surely you know by now that probably the majority of counter-strike:source servers out there is running the mani admin plugin for an example. Has it not occurred to you that it might be worth putting a bit extra time into making sure that at least the major ones will be working with your new updates? You could for an example have a dev section at your forums, where registered developers for the major 3rd party plugins could get access to new updates and information a few days in advance so that they could debug and update their plugins before the update was released to the general public. Just throwing an idea out there, Imo _something_ should be done to improve this either way. (The issue with updates breaking everything happens just about every time) It wouldn't kill you to postpone the full release a few extra days, nor would it kill you to take better care of your customers and the people that is actually developing for your games and running the servers making your games the success they are! Remember that in the end valve wouldn't be this great if there were no people interested in running game servers out there and coding plugins and mods. Spending some extra time, effort and money to make life a bit easier for those could be a good idea. ;) My 2 cents... TeX. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Albiniak Sent: 25. august 2006 01:52 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released rumor is 1.1.0zi works, but the beta series is having trouble. i'm running 1.2betaN rc2, and it's definitely having trouble. On 8/24/06, Link Pankratz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does Mani have a fix out yet? Link Matt Albiniak wrote: fyi - breaks mani-admin-plugin. please keep your hands and feet inside the car at all times.. On 8/24/06, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] My 1 man campaign paid off Thanks guys On 8/25/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Updates to Counter-Strike: Source have been released. Unless your are running a Linux server that auto-updates, please hldsupdatetool to get the update. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: * The radar display has been enhanced * de_train has received a High Dynamic Range (HDR) lighting treatment, as well as some bug fixes and layout tweaks * The player's eye height while crouching now matches their in-game player model eye position more closely * SourceTV now shows the weapon in first-person view * SourceTV supports the tv_transmitall command * Assorted exploit fixes Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
i haven't finished catching up yet but my server is reporting metamod is not running. and it was before the update. Also my copy of zblock is not loaded either. FFS valve sort yourselves out. Adam Sando wrote: I'm finding my server only seems to bite the bullet when it tries to load some non-valve maps. I'm just going through some maps during my lunch break to try work out what the trigger is. If its occurring on vanilla servers with no 3rd party mods, I'd assume people on this list have already tried disabling Metamod, etc? Regards, Adam fLAiL Sando. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whisper Sent: Friday, 25 August 2006 12:00 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Mani is fixed afaik Its just a changed gametypes.txt http://www.mani-admin-plugin.com/mani_admin_plugin/gametypes/gametypes.t xt Cheers On 8/25/06, Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: actually, we're running a naked server (disabled /addons) with no customs in rotation on windows. it crashes, oh, every other map. rented from nuclearfallout for those keeping score at home. On 8/24/06, [DumB]TeXas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well 1.1.0zi does 'work', as in; it will start and everything will appear to be working - admin menu works and most admin commands (not slay) works from what I could see. However, the second a player dies the server dies with it. So in other words, its not exactly of much use... :P The new update was not too bad; the new radar is kind of nice if you ask me... I would however not say that a new and fancy radar is worth breaking just about any 3rd party plugin running at any server out there though... Surely you know by now that probably the majority of counter-strike:source servers out there is running the mani admin plugin for an example. Has it not occurred to you that it might be worth putting a bit extra time into making sure that at least the major ones will be working with your new updates? You could for an example have a dev section at your forums, where registered developers for the major 3rd party plugins could get access to new updates and information a few days in advance so that they could debug and update their plugins before the update was released to the general public. Just throwing an idea out there, Imo _something_ should be done to improve this either way. (The issue with updates breaking everything happens just about every time) It wouldn't kill you to postpone the full release a few extra days, nor would it kill you to take better care of your customers and the people that is actually developing for your games and running the servers making your games the success they are! Remember that in the end valve wouldn't be this great if there were no people interested in running game servers out there and coding plugins and mods. Spending some extra time, effort and money to make life a bit easier for those could be a good idea. ;) My 2 cents... TeX. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Albiniak Sent: 25. august 2006 01:52 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released rumor is 1.1.0zi works, but the beta series is having trouble. i'm running 1.2betaN rc2, and it's definitely having trouble. On 8/24/06, Link Pankratz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does Mani have a fix out yet? Link Matt Albiniak wrote: fyi - breaks mani-admin-plugin. please keep your hands and feet inside the car at all times.. On 8/24/06, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] My 1 man campaign paid off Thanks guys On 8/25/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Updates to Counter-Strike: Source have been released. Unless your are running a Linux server that auto-updates, please hldsupdatetool to get the update. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: * The radar display has been enhanced * de_train has received a High Dynamic Range (HDR) lighting treatment, as well as some bug fixes and layout tweaks * The player's eye height while crouching now matches their in-game player model eye position more closely * SourceTV now shows the weapon in first-person view * SourceTV supports the tv_transmitall command * Assorted exploit fixes Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman
RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
Not valves problem that people who build off of their code and it breaks when the code is changed. -Original Message- From: Dave Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 6:27 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released i haven't finished catching up yet but my server is reporting metamod is not running. and it was before the update. Also my copy of zblock is not loaded either. FFS valve sort yourselves out. Adam Sando wrote: I'm finding my server only seems to bite the bullet when it tries to load some non-valve maps. I'm just going through some maps during my lunch break to try work out what the trigger is. If its occurring on vanilla servers with no 3rd party mods, I'd assume people on this list have already tried disabling Metamod, etc? Regards, Adam fLAiL Sando. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whisper Sent: Friday, 25 August 2006 12:00 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Mani is fixed afaik Its just a changed gametypes.txt http://www.mani-admin-plugin.com/mani_admin_plugin/gametypes/gametypes.t xt Cheers On 8/25/06, Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: actually, we're running a naked server (disabled /addons) with no customs in rotation on windows. it crashes, oh, every other map. rented from nuclearfallout for those keeping score at home. On 8/24/06, [DumB]TeXas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well 1.1.0zi does 'work', as in; it will start and everything will appear to be working - admin menu works and most admin commands (not slay) works from what I could see. However, the second a player dies the server dies with it. So in other words, its not exactly of much use... :P The new update was not too bad; the new radar is kind of nice if you ask me... I would however not say that a new and fancy radar is worth breaking just about any 3rd party plugin running at any server out there though... Surely you know by now that probably the majority of counter-strike:source servers out there is running the mani admin plugin for an example. Has it not occurred to you that it might be worth putting a bit extra time into making sure that at least the major ones will be working with your new updates? You could for an example have a dev section at your forums, where registered developers for the major 3rd party plugins could get access to new updates and information a few days in advance so that they could debug and update their plugins before the update was released to the general public. Just throwing an idea out there, Imo _something_ should be done to improve this either way. (The issue with updates breaking everything happens just about every time) It wouldn't kill you to postpone the full release a few extra days, nor would it kill you to take better care of your customers and the people that is actually developing for your games and running the servers making your games the success they are! Remember that in the end valve wouldn't be this great if there were no people interested in running game servers out there and coding plugins and mods. Spending some extra time, effort and money to make life a bit easier for those could be a good idea. ;) My 2 cents... TeX. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Albiniak Sent: 25. august 2006 01:52 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released rumor is 1.1.0zi works, but the beta series is having trouble. i'm running 1.2betaN rc2, and it's definitely having trouble. On 8/24/06, Link Pankratz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does Mani have a fix out yet? Link Matt Albiniak wrote: fyi - breaks mani-admin-plugin. please keep your hands and feet inside the car at all times.. On 8/24/06, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] My 1 man campaign paid off Thanks guys On 8/25/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Updates to Counter-Strike: Source have been released. Unless your are running a Linux server that auto-updates, please hldsupdatetool to get the update. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: * The radar display has been enhanced * de_train has received a High Dynamic Range (HDR) lighting treatment, as well as some bug fixes and layout tweaks * The player's eye height while crouching now matches their in-game player model eye position more closely * SourceTV now shows the weapon in first-person view * SourceTV supports the tv_transmitall command * Assorted exploit fixes Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
[ Converted text/html to text/plain ] fyi metamod wasn't running beacuse the game_info.txt file got updated. also zblock does use the specified valve plugin api and that [zblock] is certainly broken. bush we have had an argument before and i don't want another but i feel valve do have a responsibility to make sure that their plugin api works ok if they are going to complain that plugin devs are lazy for not using it [srcds plugin api] and should. See this quote The problem is that these plugins are hacking into hard coded offsets in the game server, one tiny code change from us and the plugin blows up. The solution is for them to use the plugin API we provide which doesn't have this problem. If you don't like fragile plugins that crash your game server then please don't use them. - Alfred so you see, i think valve need to go back and check THEIR code and makes the changes that are needed so THEIR api is usable and thenthat would give them something to support their, frankly limp, argument. until then i'd rather use metamod :-P Bush wrote: Not valves problem that people who build off of their code and it breaks when the code is changed. -Original Message- From: Dave Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 6:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released i haven't finished catching up yet but my server is reporting metamod is not running. and it was before the update. Also my copy of zblock is not loaded either. FFS valve sort yourselves out. Adam Sando wrote: I'm finding my server only seems to bite the bullet when it tries to load some non-valve maps. I'm just going through some maps during my lunch break to try work out what the trigger is. If its occurring on vanilla servers with no 3rd party mods, I'd assume people on this list have already tried disabling Metamod, etc? Regards, Adam fLAiL Sando. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whisper Sent: Friday, 25 August 2006 12:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Mani is fixed afaik Its just a changed gametypes.txt http://www.mani-admin-plugin.com/mani_admin_plugin/gametypes/gametypes.t[6] xt Cheers On 8/25/06, Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED][7] wrote: actually, we're running a naked server (disabled /addons) with no customs in rotation on windows. it crashes, oh, every other map. rented from nuclearfallout for those keeping score at home. On 8/24/06, [DumB]TeXas [EMAIL PROTECTED][8] wrote: Well 1.1.0zi does 'work', as in; it will start and everything will appear to be working - admin menu works and most admin commands (not slay) works from what I could see. However, the second a player dies the server dies with it. So in other words, its not exactly of much use... :P The new update was not too bad; the new radar is kind of nice if you ask me... I would however not say that a new and fancy radar is worth breaking just about any 3rd party plugin running at any server out there though... Surely you know by now that probably the majority of counter-strike:source servers out there is running the mani admin plugin for an example. Has it not occurred to you that it might be worth putting a bit extra time into making sure that at least the major ones will be working with your new updates? You could for an example have a dev section at your forums, where registered developers for the major 3rd party plugins could get access to new updates and information a few days in advance so that they could debug and update their plugins before the update was released to the general public. Just throwing an idea out there, Imo _something_ should be done to improve this either way. (The issue with updates breaking everything happens just about every time) It wouldn't kill you to postpone the full release a few extra days, nor would it kill you to take better care of your customers and the people that is actually developing for your games and running the servers making your games the success they are! Remember that in the end valve wouldn't be this great if there were no people interested in running game servers out there and coding plugins and mods. Spending some extra time, effort and money to make life a bit easier for those could be a good idea. ;) My 2 cents... TeX. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Albiniak Sent: 25. august 2006 01:52 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released rumor is 1.1.0zi works, but the beta series is having trouble. i'm running 1.2betaN rc2, and it's definitely having trouble. On 8/24/06, Link Pankratz [EMAIL PROTECTED][12] wrote: Does Mani have a fix out yet? Link Matt Albiniak wrote
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] My 1 man campaign paid off Thanks guys On 8/25/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Updates to Counter-Strike: Source have been released. Unless your are running a Linux server that auto-updates, please hldsupdatetool to get the update. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: * The radar display has been enhanced * de_train has received a High Dynamic Range (HDR) lighting treatment, as well as some bug fixes and layout tweaks * The player's eye height while crouching now matches their in-game player model eye position more closely * SourceTV now shows the weapon in first-person view * SourceTV supports the tv_transmitall command * Assorted exploit fixes Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
fyi - breaks mani-admin-plugin. please keep your hands and feet inside the car at all times.. On 8/24/06, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] My 1 man campaign paid off Thanks guys On 8/25/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Updates to Counter-Strike: Source have been released. Unless your are running a Linux server that auto-updates, please hldsupdatetool to get the update. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: * The radar display has been enhanced * de_train has received a High Dynamic Range (HDR) lighting treatment, as well as some bug fixes and layout tweaks * The player's eye height while crouching now matches their in-game player model eye position more closely * SourceTV now shows the weapon in first-person view * SourceTV supports the tv_transmitall command * Assorted exploit fixes Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
Does Mani have a fix out yet? Link Matt Albiniak wrote: fyi - breaks mani-admin-plugin. please keep your hands and feet inside the car at all times.. On 8/24/06, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] My 1 man campaign paid off Thanks guys On 8/25/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Updates to Counter-Strike: Source have been released. Unless your are running a Linux server that auto-updates, please hldsupdatetool to get the update. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: * The radar display has been enhanced * de_train has received a High Dynamic Range (HDR) lighting treatment, as well as some bug fixes and layout tweaks * The player's eye height while crouching now matches their in-game player model eye position more closely * SourceTV now shows the weapon in first-person view * SourceTV supports the tv_transmitall command * Assorted exploit fixes Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
Yes we had to turn off mani. Server crash. And no slay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Albiniak Sent: August 24, 2006 7:29 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released fyi - breaks mani-admin-plugin. please keep your hands and feet inside the car at all times.. On 8/24/06, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] My 1 man campaign paid off Thanks guys On 8/25/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Updates to Counter-Strike: Source have been released. Unless your are running a Linux server that auto-updates, please hldsupdatetool to get the update. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: * The radar display has been enhanced * de_train has received a High Dynamic Range (HDR) lighting treatment, as well as some bug fixes and layout tweaks * The player's eye height while crouching now matches their in-game player model eye position more closely * SourceTV now shows the weapon in first-person view * SourceTV supports the tv_transmitall command * Assorted exploit fixes Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
rumor is 1.1.0zi works, but the beta series is having trouble. i'm running 1.2betaN rc2, and it's definitely having trouble. On 8/24/06, Link Pankratz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does Mani have a fix out yet? Link Matt Albiniak wrote: fyi - breaks mani-admin-plugin. please keep your hands and feet inside the car at all times.. On 8/24/06, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] My 1 man campaign paid off Thanks guys On 8/25/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Updates to Counter-Strike: Source have been released. Unless your are running a Linux server that auto-updates, please hldsupdatetool to get the update. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: * The radar display has been enhanced * de_train has received a High Dynamic Range (HDR) lighting treatment, as well as some bug fixes and layout tweaks * The player's eye height while crouching now matches their in-game player model eye position more closely * SourceTV now shows the weapon in first-person view * SourceTV supports the tv_transmitall command * Assorted exploit fixes Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] The joy of not being on the Mani update merry-go-round :) On 8/25/06, Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: rumor is 1.1.0zi works, but the beta series is having trouble. i'm running 1.2betaN rc2, and it's definitely having trouble. On 8/24/06, Link Pankratz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does Mani have a fix out yet? Link Matt Albiniak wrote: fyi - breaks mani-admin-plugin. please keep your hands and feet inside the car at all times.. On 8/24/06, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] My 1 man campaign paid off Thanks guys On 8/25/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Updates to Counter-Strike: Source have been released. Unless your are running a Linux server that auto-updates, please hldsupdatetool to get the update. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: * The radar display has been enhanced * de_train has received a High Dynamic Range (HDR) lighting treatment, as well as some bug fixes and layout tweaks * The player's eye height while crouching now matches their in-game player model eye position more closely * SourceTV now shows the weapon in first-person view * SourceTV supports the tv_transmitall command * Assorted exploit fixes Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
don't you have a wiki to go update or something :D On 8/24/06, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] The joy of not being on the Mani update merry-go-round :) On 8/25/06, Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: rumor is 1.1.0zi works, but the beta series is having trouble. i'm running 1.2betaN rc2, and it's definitely having trouble. On 8/24/06, Link Pankratz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does Mani have a fix out yet? Link Matt Albiniak wrote: fyi - breaks mani-admin-plugin. please keep your hands and feet inside the car at all times.. On 8/24/06, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] My 1 man campaign paid off Thanks guys On 8/25/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Updates to Counter-Strike: Source have been released. Unless your are running a Linux server that auto-updates, please hldsupdatetool to get the update. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: * The radar display has been enhanced * de_train has received a High Dynamic Range (HDR) lighting treatment, as well as some bug fixes and layout tweaks * The player's eye height while crouching now matches their in-game player model eye position more closely * SourceTV now shows the weapon in first-person view * SourceTV supports the tv_transmitall command * Assorted exploit fixes Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] models are fuxored - like bf2 - ppl report seeing ct skin on t ppl and vice versa also r_redsky 0 (sp) now works on sv_cheats 0 lol On 8/25/06, Hackmett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: btw, same for beetle, crashes after some seconds :( Hackmett -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] The joy of not being on the Mani update merry-go-round :) On 8/25/06, Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: rumor is 1.1.0zi works, but the beta series is having trouble. i'm running 1.2betaN rc2, and it's definitely having trouble. On 8/24/06, Link Pankratz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does Mani have a fix out yet? Link Matt Albiniak wrote: fyi - breaks mani-admin-plugin. please keep your hands and feet inside the car at all times.. On 8/24/06, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] My 1 man campaign paid off Thanks guys On 8/25/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Updates to Counter-Strike: Source have been released. Unless your are running a Linux server that auto-updates, please hldsupdatetool to get the update. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: * The radar display has been enhanced * de_train has received a High Dynamic Range (HDR) lighting treatment, as well as some bug fixes and layout tweaks * The player's eye height while crouching now matches their in-game player model eye position more closely * SourceTV now shows the weapon in first-person view * SourceTV supports the tv_transmitall command * Assorted exploit fixes Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
Well 1.1.0zi does 'work', as in; it will start and everything will appear to be working - admin menu works and most admin commands (not slay) works from what I could see. However, the second a player dies the server dies with it. So in other words, its not exactly of much use... :P The new update was not too bad; the new radar is kind of nice if you ask me... I would however not say that a new and fancy radar is worth breaking just about any 3rd party plugin running at any server out there though... Surely you know by now that probably the majority of counter-strike:source servers out there is running the mani admin plugin for an example. Has it not occurred to you that it might be worth putting a bit extra time into making sure that at least the major ones will be working with your new updates? You could for an example have a dev section at your forums, where registered developers for the major 3rd party plugins could get access to new updates and information a few days in advance so that they could debug and update their plugins before the update was released to the general public. Just throwing an idea out there, Imo _something_ should be done to improve this either way. (The issue with updates breaking everything happens just about every time) It wouldn't kill you to postpone the full release a few extra days, nor would it kill you to take better care of your customers and the people that is actually developing for your games and running the servers making your games the success they are! Remember that in the end valve wouldn't be this great if there were no people interested in running game servers out there and coding plugins and mods. Spending some extra time, effort and money to make life a bit easier for those could be a good idea. ;) My 2 cents... TeX. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Albiniak Sent: 25. august 2006 01:52 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released rumor is 1.1.0zi works, but the beta series is having trouble. i'm running 1.2betaN rc2, and it's definitely having trouble. On 8/24/06, Link Pankratz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does Mani have a fix out yet? Link Matt Albiniak wrote: fyi - breaks mani-admin-plugin. please keep your hands and feet inside the car at all times.. On 8/24/06, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] My 1 man campaign paid off Thanks guys On 8/25/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Updates to Counter-Strike: Source have been released. Unless your are running a Linux server that auto-updates, please hldsupdatetool to get the update. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: * The radar display has been enhanced * de_train has received a High Dynamic Range (HDR) lighting treatment, as well as some bug fixes and layout tweaks * The player's eye height while crouching now matches their in-game player model eye position more closely * SourceTV now shows the weapon in first-person view * SourceTV supports the tv_transmitall command * Assorted exploit fixes Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.5/426 - Release Date: 8/23/2006 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
actually, we're running a naked server (disabled /addons) with no customs in rotation on windows. it crashes, oh, every other map. rented from nuclearfallout for those keeping score at home. On 8/24/06, [DumB]TeXas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well 1.1.0zi does 'work', as in; it will start and everything will appear to be working - admin menu works and most admin commands (not slay) works from what I could see. However, the second a player dies the server dies with it. So in other words, its not exactly of much use... :P The new update was not too bad; the new radar is kind of nice if you ask me... I would however not say that a new and fancy radar is worth breaking just about any 3rd party plugin running at any server out there though... Surely you know by now that probably the majority of counter-strike:source servers out there is running the mani admin plugin for an example. Has it not occurred to you that it might be worth putting a bit extra time into making sure that at least the major ones will be working with your new updates? You could for an example have a dev section at your forums, where registered developers for the major 3rd party plugins could get access to new updates and information a few days in advance so that they could debug and update their plugins before the update was released to the general public. Just throwing an idea out there, Imo _something_ should be done to improve this either way. (The issue with updates breaking everything happens just about every time) It wouldn't kill you to postpone the full release a few extra days, nor would it kill you to take better care of your customers and the people that is actually developing for your games and running the servers making your games the success they are! Remember that in the end valve wouldn't be this great if there were no people interested in running game servers out there and coding plugins and mods. Spending some extra time, effort and money to make life a bit easier for those could be a good idea. ;) My 2 cents... TeX. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Albiniak Sent: 25. august 2006 01:52 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released rumor is 1.1.0zi works, but the beta series is having trouble. i'm running 1.2betaN rc2, and it's definitely having trouble. On 8/24/06, Link Pankratz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does Mani have a fix out yet? Link Matt Albiniak wrote: fyi - breaks mani-admin-plugin. please keep your hands and feet inside the car at all times.. On 8/24/06, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] My 1 man campaign paid off Thanks guys On 8/25/06, Jason Ruymen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Updates to Counter-Strike: Source have been released. Unless your are running a Linux server that auto-updates, please hldsupdatetool to get the update. The changes are: Counter-Strike: Source: * The radar display has been enhanced * de_train has received a High Dynamic Range (HDR) lighting treatment, as well as some bug fixes and layout tweaks * The player's eye height while crouching now matches their in-game player model eye position more closely * SourceTV now shows the weapon in first-person view * SourceTV supports the tv_transmitall command * Assorted exploit fixes Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.5/426 - Release Date: 8/23/2006 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Matt Albiniak [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ To unsubscribe, edit your
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
It appears that I am functional again after a gametypes.txt update from MANI. URL is http://www.mani-admin-plugin.com/index.php?option=com_smfItemid=26topic=940.0 I have not fully tested everything. Just a cautionary note. Also, I'm not thrilled about the radar update but that's just a personal note. :) Link Matt Albiniak wrote: rumor is 1.1.0zi works, but the beta series is having trouble. i'm running 1.2betaN rc2, and it's definitely having trouble. On 8/24/06, Link Pankratz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does Mani have a fix out yet? Link Matt Albiniak wrote: fyi - breaks mani-admin-plugin. please keep your hands and feet inside the car at all times.. On 8/24/06, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] My 1 man campaign paid off Thanks guys ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Counter-Strike: Source update released
Just as an addendum to my last post, the slay command *does* work with the new gametypes.txt but I have *not* tested everything else. I have also not experienced the server dying with the player. Link [DumB]TeXas wrote: Well 1.1.0zi does 'work', as in; it will start and everything will appear to be working - admin menu works and most admin commands (not slay) works from what I could see. However, the second a player dies the server dies with it. So in other words, its not exactly of much use... :P ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
