Re: [hlds_linux] Hardware interrupts
I have choke and sometimes bad hitbox. > Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 11:48:36 +0100 > From: and...@thirdlife.org > To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Hardware interrupts > > Hardware interrupts aren't a problem themselves. Does everything work > OK with 12 HLDS proceses? > > > On 04/06/2011 09:08, C Szabo wrote: > > > > Now i havent assaign any HLDS to anything and i still got the hardware > > interrupts. > > Should i run only 10 HLDS on a 12 core machine so they dont use core 0 and > > 11 or what? :S > > > > > > > >> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 08:49:18 +0100 > >> From: and...@thirdlife.org > >> To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com > >> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Hardware interrupts > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >>> Hello. Did not really know where I would have to go with my problem, > >>> but I take a chance that anyone here maybe can help me with my > >>> problem. > >>> > >>> > >>> As the topic reveals, I get a lot of "hardware interrupts" on my > >>> Debian based server. The problem arises as soon as any of my HLDS > >>> processes use core 0 or 11. > >>> > >>> Now I have assigned 10 HLDS installations to core 1-10. But as soon > >>> as I assign HLDS number 11 to core 0 or 11 the Hardware interrupts > >>> occurs. > >>> > >>> This problem occurs even if I dont assign HLDS number 11 to any core, > >>> and run it on auto and as soon as core 0 and 11 grabs process, I get > >>> "hardware interrupts". > >> > >> My guess, and it is just a guess, is that cores 0 and 11 are being used > >> by default to poll the network cards for packets (see Linux NAPI) rather > >> than waiting for interrupts. > >> > >> When you put a HLDS process on that core you stop the polling from being > >> fast enough and so interrupts are needed. > >> > >> Switching back to interrupts is less efficient, but not fatal. > >> > >> A > >> > >> ___ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Hardware interrupts
Hardware interrupts aren't a problem themselves. Does everything work OK with 12 HLDS proceses? On 04/06/2011 09:08, C Szabo wrote: Now i havent assaign any HLDS to anything and i still got the hardware interrupts. Should i run only 10 HLDS on a 12 core machine so they dont use core 0 and 11 or what? :S Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 08:49:18 +0100 From: and...@thirdlife.org To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Hardware interrupts Hi, Hello. Did not really know where I would have to go with my problem, but I take a chance that anyone here maybe can help me with my problem. As the topic reveals, I get a lot of "hardware interrupts" on my Debian based server. The problem arises as soon as any of my HLDS processes use core 0 or 11. Now I have assigned 10 HLDS installations to core 1-10. But as soon as I assign HLDS number 11 to core 0 or 11 the Hardware interrupts occurs. This problem occurs even if I dont assign HLDS number 11 to any core, and run it on auto and as soon as core 0 and 11 grabs process, I get "hardware interrupts". My guess, and it is just a guess, is that cores 0 and 11 are being used by default to poll the network cards for packets (see Linux NAPI) rather than waiting for interrupts. When you put a HLDS process on that core you stop the polling from being fast enough and so interrupts are needed. Switching back to interrupts is less efficient, but not fatal. A ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Hardware interrupts
Now i havent assaign any HLDS to anything and i still got the hardware interrupts. Should i run only 10 HLDS on a 12 core machine so they dont use core 0 and 11 or what? :S > Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 08:49:18 +0100 > From: and...@thirdlife.org > To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Hardware interrupts > > Hi, > > > Hello. Did not really know where I would have to go with my problem, > > but I take a chance that anyone here maybe can help me with my > > problem. > > > > > > As the topic reveals, I get a lot of "hardware interrupts" on my > > Debian based server. The problem arises as soon as any of my HLDS > > processes use core 0 or 11. > > > > Now I have assigned 10 HLDS installations to core 1-10. But as soon > > as I assign HLDS number 11 to core 0 or 11 the Hardware interrupts > > occurs. > > > > This problem occurs even if I dont assign HLDS number 11 to any core, > > and run it on auto and as soon as core 0 and 11 grabs process, I get > > "hardware interrupts". > > My guess, and it is just a guess, is that cores 0 and 11 are being used > by default to poll the network cards for packets (see Linux NAPI) rather > than waiting for interrupts. > > When you put a HLDS process on that core you stop the polling from being > fast enough and so interrupts are needed. > > Switching back to interrupts is less efficient, but not fatal. > > A > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Hardware interrupts
Hi, Hello. Did not really know where I would have to go with my problem, but I take a chance that anyone here maybe can help me with my problem. As the topic reveals, I get a lot of "hardware interrupts" on my Debian based server. The problem arises as soon as any of my HLDS processes use core 0 or 11. Now I have assigned 10 HLDS installations to core 1-10. But as soon as I assign HLDS number 11 to core 0 or 11 the Hardware interrupts occurs. This problem occurs even if I dont assign HLDS number 11 to any core, and run it on auto and as soon as core 0 and 11 grabs process, I get "hardware interrupts". My guess, and it is just a guess, is that cores 0 and 11 are being used by default to poll the network cards for packets (see Linux NAPI) rather than waiting for interrupts. When you put a HLDS process on that core you stop the polling from being fast enough and so interrupts are needed. Switching back to interrupts is less efficient, but not fatal. A ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] hardware?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Sure windows runs lower CPU %'s Sure windows may use less memory. However there is no way in hell I would refuse to sacrifice resources for a better performance. Windows has an internal system kernel resolution timer which runs 128 Hz by default (last time I checked), which causes your framerate to sit at an average 67-68, without any sorts of influences. Now when you look at any *nix base, you can quite easily see that you can modify the system's kernel resolution timer beyond the default setting. And to top all of this off, Linux 2.6.X easily has the capacity to run at 1000 Hz. On 9/25/05, Eric (Deacon) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In a bold display of creativity, ScratchMonkey wrote: > > Everybody seems to be under the misimpression that I'm a Linux zealot. > My > > objective is not to determine *whether* HLDS works better on Windows, > but > > *why*. What needs to happen to improve the Linux side? Is the problem in > > the kernel, the process mix, the compiler, or a poor choice of compiler > > options? > > Why can't it be that it was written as a native Win32 app and simply > does not perform as well when ported to Linux? I can't believe it, but > I deleted an old message from Alfred that talked about what options were > used when compiling, though it was probably too old to be of any use > discussing what they do today. > > And seriously, I would not question Alfred's methods on Linux. The dude > knows what he's doing. > > -- > Eric (the Deacon remix) > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > -- DJ Fadyeyev Founder e-Plutonia -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] hardware?
In a bold display of creativity, ScratchMonkey wrote: Everybody seems to be under the misimpression that I'm a Linux zealot. My objective is not to determine *whether* HLDS works better on Windows, but *why*. What needs to happen to improve the Linux side? Is the problem in the kernel, the process mix, the compiler, or a poor choice of compiler options? Why can't it be that it was written as a native Win32 app and simply does not perform as well when ported to Linux? I can't believe it, but I deleted an old message from Alfred that talked about what options were used when compiling, though it was probably too old to be of any use discussing what they do today. And seriously, I would not question Alfred's methods on Linux. The dude knows what he's doing. -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] hardware?
--On Sunday, September 25, 2005 9:11 PM -0400 Mahmoud Foda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I love windows and linux. But i hate the "LINUX is the best OS EVER MADE and MS SUCKS" and the "APPLE MAC IS COOL AND WINDOWS SUCKS" people. Everybody seems to be under the misimpression that I'm a Linux zealot. My objective is not to determine *whether* HLDS works better on Windows, but *why*. What needs to happen to improve the Linux side? Is the problem in the kernel, the process mix, the compiler, or a poor choice of compiler options? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] hardware?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] How about you give me numbers saying linux is better? All i have to say is i stand corrected because of my past expirence with Linux and windows with HLDS. My profession is actually Windows NT/2000/2003 servers. But i still deal with linux all the time. But some of these guys dont want to say it. But i will. HLDS IS BETTER ON WINDOWS!!! Thats what i have to say. If you dont think so then you stay thinking all day long. Its the truth. You prove to me that linux runs HLDS better. And HLDS is not the only program. I love windows and linux. But i hate the "LINUX is the best OS EVER MADE and MS SUCKS" and the "APPLE MAC IS COOL AND WINDOWS SUCKS" people. They have no sense. Here is the truth. Linux is not the best at everything. So just stop and come to the real world and leave your imaginary world of windows sucks. But windows is actually a pretty damn good OS. It does what i want. And it does it good. On 9/25/05, ScratchMonkey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --On Saturday, September 24, 2005 12:41 PM -0500 hondaman > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Its 100% true. Before you flame, do your research please. > > > >>> Because the truth is HLDS runs better on windows. > > Numbers, please. I'm not saying it's false, just that it's unscientific > flame bait unless you specify precisely what you mean by that, in a form > that allows us to reproduce your test and see the results ourselves. > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] hardware?
I can put a bigger load on a windows server then linux with lower cpu usage, registration is awalys better on windows. Its a fact, and I have plenty of screenshots of cpu usage... - Original Message - From: "ScratchMonkey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] hardware? --On Saturday, September 24, 2005 12:41 PM -0500 hondaman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Its 100% true. Before you flame, do your research please. Because the truth is HLDS runs better on windows. Numbers, please. I'm not saying it's false, just that it's unscientific flame bait unless you specify precisely what you mean by that, in a form that allows us to reproduce your test and see the results ourselves. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] hardware?
other way around buddy - Original Message - From: "ScratchMonkey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] hardware? --On Sunday, September 25, 2005 10:17 AM -0700 e-Plutonia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Solaris > FreeBSD > Linux > Windows (Overall) Since when do OS's wear protective clothing? ;) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] hardware?
In a bold display of creativity, ScratchMonkey wrote: Because the truth is HLDS runs better on windows. Numbers, please. I'm not saying it's false, just that it's unscientific flame bait unless you specify precisely what you mean by that, in a form that allows us to reproduce your test and see the results ourselves. ScratchMonkey, how long have you been on the list? This has come up time and again, and every time it turns out that you can squeeze more servers on the same hardware (or run each server with higher fps) on Windows than on Linux. This is an age-old question that's been "numbered" to death over the years. The fact is that the windows server binaries use less CPU than the Linux versions. As has been said before, that doesn't mean that Windows is a better *choice*, necessarily. -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] hardware?
--On Sunday, September 25, 2005 10:17 AM -0700 e-Plutonia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Solaris > FreeBSD > Linux > Windows (Overall) Since when do OS's wear protective clothing? ;) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] hardware?
--On Saturday, September 24, 2005 12:41 PM -0500 hondaman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Its 100% true. Before you flame, do your research please. Because the truth is HLDS runs better on windows. Numbers, please. I'm not saying it's false, just that it's unscientific flame bait unless you specify precisely what you mean by that, in a form that allows us to reproduce your test and see the results ourselves. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] hardware?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] For HLDS: Windows > *nix (Memory) Solaris > FreeBSD > Linux > Windows (Overall) On 9/24/05, Proud Pirate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > I use a Dyson Toilet and it doesn't loose suction :-) > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > -- DJ Fadyeyev Founder e-Plutonia -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] hardware?
In a bold display of creativity, Chris wrote: Funny i run 3 amd boxs and 3 p4 with 3.0 to 3.4 for a cpu and the amd blows away the windows p4 and linux p4 in cs and cs source so guess its in the set up also useing centos helps ! Performance is not going to vary much from distro to distro. The point of the whole thing is that, on the same hardware, a Windows HLDS install will perform better than a Linux hlds installation. The difference can be just a little to a whole lot, depending. That doesn't mean that Windows is necessarily the best option overall for running a server, of course, but that when it comes to raw performance, the Win32 version comes out ahead. -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] hardware?
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I use a Dyson Toilet and it doesn't loose suction :-) -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] hardware?
*sigh* Linux does some things better, windows does other things better. People use linux because generally it IS a better server OS. However, and this goes for anything: There is no one single application/OS/pc hardware/car/plane/toilet that does EVERYTHING better than everything else. If you want to debate something, leave the stupid statements out and keep it real please. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well it is true... Its proven, and I have plenty of proof. Ive been thru over 60 machines with windows, and all sorts of linux, had tons of people configure the linux for me, and windows still ran better. I would rather go windows, and most people say linux is better but the only reason they say that is because their cheap and want to save $700 for lisences... - Original Message - From: "hondaman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] hardware? Its 100% true. Before you flame, do your research please. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't mean to start a flame war, but I can not let this pass without comment. Because the truth is HLDS runs better on windows. Uhm, yeah Then you woke up. Sorry to add to your already spammed mailbox from this list. Jeff Love Burgh Gaming ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] hardware?
Well it is true... Its proven, and I have plenty of proof. Ive been thru over 60 machines with windows, and all sorts of linux, had tons of people configure the linux for me, and windows still ran better. I would rather go windows, and most people say linux is better but the only reason they say that is because their cheap and want to save $700 for lisences... - Original Message - From: "hondaman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] hardware? Its 100% true. Before you flame, do your research please. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't mean to start a flame war, but I can not let this pass without comment. Because the truth is HLDS runs better on windows. Uhm, yeah Then you woke up. Sorry to add to your already spammed mailbox from this list. Jeff Love Burgh Gaming ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] hardware?
Its 100% true. Before you flame, do your research please. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't mean to start a flame war, but I can not let this pass without comment. Because the truth is HLDS runs better on windows. Uhm, yeah Then you woke up. Sorry to add to your already spammed mailbox from this list. Jeff Love Burgh Gaming ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] hardware?
I don't mean to start a flame war, but I can not let this pass without comment. > Because the truth is HLDS runs better on windows. Uhm, yeah Then you woke up. Sorry to add to your already spammed mailbox from this list. Jeff Love Burgh Gaming ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] hardware?
All true...when you're a part of both lists sometimes I guess I should actually look up to see where I'm posting to beyond the "who" that I'm replying to. Sorry fellas. But X64 Windows does kick some tail on these wafers. ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mahmoud Foda Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 10:30 AM To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] hardware? -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Yes this is the linux list but there is nothing wrong in stating something about windows here. Because the truth is HLDS runs better on windows. On 9/24/05, Cory Clemmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is the Linux list, not the Windows list. > Unless the mailing list server is doing something off normal here. > > On 9/23/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Tyan B2881 GX28 running dual 270s. To say the least, the thing is a > monster. > > Because of this being the Windows list I'll say that we went with Win2k3 > > Enterprise Server X64 and we've seen nothing like it. > > > > Ray S. > > > -- > Linux for development, Mac for multimedia, Windows for solitaire > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] hardware?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Yes this is the linux list but there is nothing wrong in stating something about windows here. Because the truth is HLDS runs better on windows. On 9/24/05, Cory Clemmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is the Linux list, not the Windows list. > Unless the mailing list server is doing something off normal here. > > On 9/23/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Tyan B2881 GX28 running dual 270s. To say the least, the thing is a > monster. > > Because of this being the Windows list I'll say that we went with Win2k3 > > Enterprise Server X64 and we've seen nothing like it. > > > > Ray S. > > > -- > Linux for development, Mac for multimedia, Windows for solitaire > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] hardware?
This is the Linux list, not the Windows list. Unless the mailing list server is doing something off normal here. On 9/23/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tyan B2881 GX28 running dual 270s. To say the least, the thing is a monster. > Because of this being the Windows list I'll say that we went with Win2k3 > Enterprise Server X64 and we've seen nothing like it. > > Ray S. -- Linux for development, Mac for multimedia, Windows for solitaire ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] hardware?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Out of every configuration, on a GX28, the Opteron 275 / 875 with 1 GB per CPU core of memory works amazingly, I have yet to be disappointed with it. The Xeons have cost me a large pain in the ass. On 9/23/05, Mahmoud Foda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > With HLDS, i find that Xeons tend to do better then Opterons. If you get > dual Xeons with HT then i'm sure that'll be the fastest. I haven't looked > exactly but you should go check some benchmarks. > It wont matter for linux. But Xeons run better on Windows. Server > Applications in general perfomr better un Xeon. Its the HT. > > On 9/23/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Tyan B2881 GX28 running dual 270s. To say the least, the thing is a > > monster. > > Because of this being the Windows list I'll say that we went with Win2k3 > > Enterprise Server X64 and we've seen nothing like it. > > > > Ray S. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kama > > Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 8:59 AM > > To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com > > Subject: [hlds_linux] hardware? > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I might be able to get a couple dual AMD O275's. Anyone with experiences > > on dual dualcore opterons in a gaming environment? > > > > /Bjorn > > > > -- > > > > What would a chair look like if your knees bent the other way? > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > -- > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > -- DJ Fadyeyev Founder e-Plutonia -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] hardware?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] With HLDS, i find that Xeons tend to do better then Opterons. If you get dual Xeons with HT then i'm sure that'll be the fastest. I haven't looked exactly but you should go check some benchmarks. It wont matter for linux. But Xeons run better on Windows. Server Applications in general perfomr better un Xeon. Its the HT. On 9/23/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Tyan B2881 GX28 running dual 270s. To say the least, the thing is a > monster. > Because of this being the Windows list I'll say that we went with Win2k3 > Enterprise Server X64 and we've seen nothing like it. > > Ray S. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kama > Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 8:59 AM > To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: [hlds_linux] hardware? > > > Hi, > > I might be able to get a couple dual AMD O275's. Anyone with experiences > on dual dualcore opterons in a gaming environment? > > /Bjorn > > -- > > What would a chair look like if your knees bent the other way? > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] hardware?
Tyan B2881 GX28 running dual 270s. To say the least, the thing is a monster. Because of this being the Windows list I'll say that we went with Win2k3 Enterprise Server X64 and we've seen nothing like it. Ray S. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kama Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 8:59 AM To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds_linux] hardware? Hi, I might be able to get a couple dual AMD O275's. Anyone with experiences on dual dualcore opterons in a gaming environment? /Bjorn -- What would a chair look like if your knees bent the other way? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] hardware?
Ah, nice... =) /Bjorn On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, Karl Shrubb | INX-NETWORK LTD. wrote: > Hello, > > I have just spoken to a couple of contact's who run AMD X2 CPU's on FreeBSD > 6 / 7. > > >From their tests, they said that it should work very nicely and that they > haven't encountered any issues 'as of yet' with them. > > Hope this helps. > > Regards, > - -- > > Karl Shrubb, > Software Engineer, > INX-NETWORK LIMITED. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kama > Sent: 23 September 2005 14:35 > To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] hardware? > > > I will probably run FreeBSD 6.0 on those... > > /Bjorn > > On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, Karl Shrubb | INX-NETWORK LTD. wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > Out of the solutions you have provided, > > > > I would advise you to use the Dual Opteron X2 2.2 GHz if you run the > server > > on the latest Kernel Codebase. > > > > Else I would advise the Dual Opteron 2.6 GHz option. > > > > Regards, > > > > Karl Shrubb > > Software Engineer, > > INX-NETWORK LIMITED. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kama > > Sent: 23 September 2005 14:21 > > To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] hardware? > > > > > > to clearify, I have 3 different hardware sollutions to choose from. > > > > dual 3.4Ghz Xeon > > dual Opteron 2.6Ghz (Single Core) > > dual Opteron 2.2Ghz (Dual Core) > > > > Since I have the option to choose I want the once that cope best under a > > gimin environment. > > > > /Bjorn > > > > On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, kama wrote: > > > > > > > > Yeah, but I cant recall they using dualcore. > > > > > > /Bjorn > > > > > > On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, hondaman wrote: > > > > > > > Check/search the archives. Lots of guys here run opterons with great > > > > success. > > > > > > > > kama wrote: > > > > > > > > >Hi, > > > > > > > > > >I might be able to get a couple dual AMD O275's. Anyone with > > experiences > > > > >on dual dualcore opterons in a gaming environment? > > > > > > > > > >/Bjorn > > > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > > > > > >What would a chair look like if your knees bent the other way? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___ > > > > >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > please visit: > > > > >http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > These aren't the droids you're looking for. > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > -- > > > > There is a cow on my lawn... > > -- > > > > brb. > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > -- > > // This is a comment. > -- > > /* This is a comment. */ > -- > > > -- > > # This is a comment. > -- > > Have I provided enough comments? > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > -- You know you've been playing "Quake: Team Fortress" too much when you ask your grandfather why they didn't rocket jump up the beaches of Normandie. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] hardware?
Hello, I have just spoken to a couple of contact's who run AMD X2 CPU's on FreeBSD 6 / 7. >From their tests, they said that it should work very nicely and that they haven't encountered any issues 'as of yet' with them. Hope this helps. Regards, - -- Karl Shrubb, Software Engineer, INX-NETWORK LIMITED. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kama Sent: 23 September 2005 14:35 To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] hardware? I will probably run FreeBSD 6.0 on those... /Bjorn On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, Karl Shrubb | INX-NETWORK LTD. wrote: > Hello, > > Out of the solutions you have provided, > > I would advise you to use the Dual Opteron X2 2.2 GHz if you run the server > on the latest Kernel Codebase. > > Else I would advise the Dual Opteron 2.6 GHz option. > > Regards, > > Karl Shrubb > Software Engineer, > INX-NETWORK LIMITED. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kama > Sent: 23 September 2005 14:21 > To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] hardware? > > > to clearify, I have 3 different hardware sollutions to choose from. > > dual 3.4Ghz Xeon > dual Opteron 2.6Ghz (Single Core) > dual Opteron 2.2Ghz (Dual Core) > > Since I have the option to choose I want the once that cope best under a > gimin environment. > > /Bjorn > > On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, kama wrote: > > > > > Yeah, but I cant recall they using dualcore. > > > > /Bjorn > > > > On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, hondaman wrote: > > > > > Check/search the archives. Lots of guys here run opterons with great > > > success. > > > > > > kama wrote: > > > > > > >Hi, > > > > > > > >I might be able to get a couple dual AMD O275's. Anyone with > experiences > > > >on dual dualcore opterons in a gaming environment? > > > > > > > >/Bjorn > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > > > >What would a chair look like if your knees bent the other way? > > > > > > > > > > > >___ > > > >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > > >http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > -- > > > > These aren't the droids you're looking for. > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > -- > > There is a cow on my lawn... > -- > > brb. > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > -- // This is a comment. -- /* This is a comment. */ -- -- # This is a comment. -- Have I provided enough comments? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] hardware?
I will probably run FreeBSD 6.0 on those... /Bjorn On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, Karl Shrubb | INX-NETWORK LTD. wrote: > Hello, > > Out of the solutions you have provided, > > I would advise you to use the Dual Opteron X2 2.2 GHz if you run the server > on the latest Kernel Codebase. > > Else I would advise the Dual Opteron 2.6 GHz option. > > Regards, > > Karl Shrubb > Software Engineer, > INX-NETWORK LIMITED. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kama > Sent: 23 September 2005 14:21 > To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] hardware? > > > to clearify, I have 3 different hardware sollutions to choose from. > > dual 3.4Ghz Xeon > dual Opteron 2.6Ghz (Single Core) > dual Opteron 2.2Ghz (Dual Core) > > Since I have the option to choose I want the once that cope best under a > gimin environment. > > /Bjorn > > On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, kama wrote: > > > > > Yeah, but I cant recall they using dualcore. > > > > /Bjorn > > > > On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, hondaman wrote: > > > > > Check/search the archives. Lots of guys here run opterons with great > > > success. > > > > > > kama wrote: > > > > > > >Hi, > > > > > > > >I might be able to get a couple dual AMD O275's. Anyone with > experiences > > > >on dual dualcore opterons in a gaming environment? > > > > > > > >/Bjorn > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > > > >What would a chair look like if your knees bent the other way? > > > > > > > > > > > >___ > > > >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > > >http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > -- > > > > These aren't the droids you're looking for. > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > -- > > There is a cow on my lawn... > -- > > brb. > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > -- // This is a comment. -- /* This is a comment. */ -- -- # This is a comment. -- Have I provided enough comments? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] hardware?
Hello, Out of the solutions you have provided, I would advise you to use the Dual Opteron X2 2.2 GHz if you run the server on the latest Kernel Codebase. Else I would advise the Dual Opteron 2.6 GHz option. Regards, Karl Shrubb Software Engineer, INX-NETWORK LIMITED. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kama Sent: 23 September 2005 14:21 To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] hardware? to clearify, I have 3 different hardware sollutions to choose from. dual 3.4Ghz Xeon dual Opteron 2.6Ghz (Single Core) dual Opteron 2.2Ghz (Dual Core) Since I have the option to choose I want the once that cope best under a gimin environment. /Bjorn On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, kama wrote: > > Yeah, but I cant recall they using dualcore. > > /Bjorn > > On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, hondaman wrote: > > > Check/search the archives. Lots of guys here run opterons with great > > success. > > > > kama wrote: > > > > >Hi, > > > > > >I might be able to get a couple dual AMD O275's. Anyone with experiences > > >on dual dualcore opterons in a gaming environment? > > > > > >/Bjorn > > > > > >-- > > > > > >What would a chair look like if your knees bent the other way? > > > > > > > > >___ > > >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > > >http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > -- > > These aren't the droids you're looking for. > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > -- There is a cow on my lawn... -- brb. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] hardware?
to clearify, I have 3 different hardware sollutions to choose from. dual 3.4Ghz Xeon dual Opteron 2.6Ghz (Single Core) dual Opteron 2.2Ghz (Dual Core) Since I have the option to choose I want the once that cope best under a gimin environment. /Bjorn On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, kama wrote: > > Yeah, but I cant recall they using dualcore. > > /Bjorn > > On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, hondaman wrote: > > > Check/search the archives. Lots of guys here run opterons with great > > success. > > > > kama wrote: > > > > >Hi, > > > > > >I might be able to get a couple dual AMD O275's. Anyone with experiences > > >on dual dualcore opterons in a gaming environment? > > > > > >/Bjorn > > > > > >-- > > > > > >What would a chair look like if your knees bent the other way? > > > > > > > > >___ > > >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > >please visit: > > >http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > -- > > These aren't the droids you're looking for. > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > -- There is a cow on my lawn... -- brb. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] hardware?
Hello, We have got a number of dual opteron server's running within our gaming platform. >From a number of tests that we have preformed, HLDS / SRCDS appear to be much more stable that dual xeon server's. Also adding the fact that they require less power (allows more servers in a rack on the least number of powerbars). We are also now migrating over to dual core AMD X2 CPU's. But we have found a couple of minor issues with the Linux kernel and these CPU's. But with the latest kernel release, this issue appears to be resolved. In summary, if you can get a hold of Opteron servers, I would advise to use them over xeon servers. :) Regards, Karl Shrubb Software Engineer, INX-NETWORK LIMITED. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kama Sent: 23 September 2005 13:59 To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds_linux] hardware? Hi, I might be able to get a couple dual AMD O275's. Anyone with experiences on dual dualcore opterons in a gaming environment? /Bjorn -- What would a chair look like if your knees bent the other way? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] hardware?
Yeah, but I cant recall they using dualcore. /Bjorn On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, hondaman wrote: > Check/search the archives. Lots of guys here run opterons with great > success. > > kama wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >I might be able to get a couple dual AMD O275's. Anyone with experiences > >on dual dualcore opterons in a gaming environment? > > > >/Bjorn > > > >-- > > > >What would a chair look like if your knees bent the other way? > > > > > >___ > >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >please visit: > >http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > -- These aren't the droids you're looking for. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] hardware?
Check/search the archives. Lots of guys here run opterons with great success. kama wrote: Hi, I might be able to get a couple dual AMD O275's. Anyone with experiences on dual dualcore opterons in a gaming environment? /Bjorn -- What would a chair look like if your knees bent the other way? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Hardware needs
Innoc pwnz meh -- Eric (the Deacon remix) > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds_linux- > [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Eucke > Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 12:19 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Hardware needs > > Yikes, I go afk for a couple of hours and I come back to what looks like a > Flamewar in the making. > > Couple of things. > > #1 My TFC server and the Router are not the only devices on the network. > There are other servers and the traffic doesnt just go through the Router. > Hence, having a 100 MB switch handling that traffic. > > #2 This has been a known good configuration for years.its just gotten > laggy under load. It was physically re-racked within the time frame that > the degradation was noticed. So the possibility of a bad cable or a poor > cable/NIC connection makes sense and Ill check it out...I didn't recall that > even until just now. > > #3 This TFC server sits in the middle of a server farm.a small one but > a server farm nonetheless. I dont know how you guys designbut as cheap > as they area well designed 100 MB switch get my vote everytime. > > #4 There cannot possibly be a bottleneck where the traffic feeds in and out > of the Cisco from the TFC boxas even a 20 player server cannot swamp > that router. > > I am certain that the Lag cause is isolated to this serverincluding its > patch cable. With my ISP customers I would have had other indications if it > was a problem that was outside the box. I learned very young to check the > simple things firstand Ill know very soon. > > Thanks for the ideas guys > > Oh and...those of you who were quick to chew on the others for whatever > reason, and Im only saying that because I care, there are alot of > decaffeinated brands on the market that are just as tasty as the real > thing. > > :D > > Eucke > |404| InNoCuL8R .JF > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Hardware needs
Yikes, I go afk for a couple of hours and I come back to what looks like a Flamewar in the making. Couple of things. #1 My TFC server and the Router are not the only devices on the network. There are other servers and the traffic doesnt just go through the Router. Hence, having a 100 MB switch handling that traffic. #2 This has been a known good configuration for years.its just gotten laggy under load. It was physically re-racked within the time frame that the degradation was noticed. So the possibility of a bad cable or a poor cable/NIC connection makes sense and Ill check it out...I didn't recall that even until just now. #3 This TFC server sits in the middle of a server farm.a small one but a server farm nonetheless. I dont know how you guys designbut as cheap as they area well designed 100 MB switch get my vote everytime. #4 There cannot possibly be a bottleneck where the traffic feeds in and out of the Cisco from the TFC boxas even a 20 player server cannot swamp that router. I am certain that the Lag cause is isolated to this serverincluding its patch cable. With my ISP customers I would have had other indications if it was a problem that was outside the box. I learned very young to check the simple things firstand Ill know very soon. Thanks for the ideas guys Oh and...those of you who were quick to chew on the others for whatever reason, and Im only saying that because I care, there are alot of decaffeinated brands on the market that are just as tasty as the real thing. :D Eucke |404| InNoCuL8R .JF ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Hardware needs
From: "Eric (Deacon)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > If he only has 1.544 Mbps Internet connectivity then there's no way > there > > will be more than that going into the router. > > Not from the net side...but what about from the LAN side? > That's irrelevant... if he has other traffic on the LAN then that would be a reason to keep 100 Mbps, not downgrade to 10 Mbps. The point was that the HLDS server is not going to generate 100 Mbps of traffic if you only have 1.5 Mbps of Internet bandwidth. Suggesting that his router is being overloaded just because he has a 100 Mbps LAN is ridiculous. But, the original poster's problem is so ambiguous that there's little we can do to help other than offer random suggestions. Without him troubleshooting it and narrowing down the issue (is it hardware? is it the local network? is it just lagging for Internet clients or everybody?) we're all wasting our time discussing this at all. -Simon ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Hardware needs
> Oh and excuse me for making a spelling mistake, I forget you're perfect > and we should all aspire to your levels or perfection. While we were pointing out irrelevant possibilities of mistakes, I figured I'd toss your spelling error in the pissing-hat ring... -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Hardware needs
On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 14:36, Nick Brooks wrote: > If you really must know, we're escalation leads, in layman terms, > engineers, for the Partner Reseller Helpline in the US, but that isn't > the point, now is it? > Please, let's get this back to the actual subject and not what people do > for a living. Then in future refrain from bragging about what you do for a living :) Hence avoiding the topic in the first place. Again, simple put, the guy should check the devices on his own network first correct? peers negotiating at different duplex's is something he should look into first correct? (as its probably the easiest thing to find out). Checking cabling is worth looking into too correct? All of which should be done before contacting your upstream and logging a fault, correct? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Hardware needs
shutup, nerds, or put OT in the subject please? -- trog - Original Message - From: "Jeremy Brooking" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Hardware needs > On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 14:27, Nick Brooks wrote: > > I've dealt with many a CCIE who don't know their ass from a hole in the > > ground to be honest. > > A certification just means you passed a test, and doesn't demonstrate > > practical knowledge. > > LOL @ Bragging about your certs a few minutes ago then. > > > Perhaps we should get back to the subject at hand instead of this > > pissing contest that this has become? I thought this alias was for > > hlds... guess you've killed that thought. > > LOL you and your work mate were the ones who started throwing the "Look > at me and my qaulifications and employer" bollocks around, not once did > you see me mention any of mine :) > > If I remember correctly I was infact given the gentleman suggestions as > to what I possibly could be. > > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Hardware needs
I was bragging? I just happened to leave the signature attached. Give it a rest and go back to the f!@#!@#ing subject already. Jeremy Brooking wrote: > On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 14:27, Nick Brooks wrote: > >>I've dealt with many a CCIE who don't know their ass from a hole in the >>ground to be honest. >>A certification just means you passed a test, and doesn't demonstrate >>practical knowledge. > > > LOL @ Bragging about your certs a few minutes ago then. > > >>Perhaps we should get back to the subject at hand instead of this >>pissing contest that this has become? I thought this alias was for >>hlds... guess you've killed that thought. > > > LOL you and your work mate were the ones who started throwing the "Look > at me and my qaulifications and employer" bollocks around, not once did > you see me mention any of mine :) > > If I remember correctly I was infact given the gentleman suggestions as > to what I possibly could be. > > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Hardware needs
On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 14:30, Eric (Deacon) wrote: > > A T1 can be franctional (but working for cisco you would know that) > > right? Therefore his T1 connection could be 1meg or even less right? > > What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Other than to try to > find some way to assert common knowledge as if it were unique to you? > It's "fractional" btw... Because the assumption was being made that he has 1.5meg through to the router, which may not be the case. Oh and excuse me for making a spelling mistake, I forget you're perfect and we should all aspire to your levels or perfection. I fail to see you posting any helpful suggestions to help solve the original posters issues. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Hardware needs
If you really must know, we're escalation leads, in layman terms, engineers, for the Partner Reseller Helpline in the US, but that isn't the point, now is it? Please, let's get this back to the actual subject and not what people do for a living. Jeremy Brooking wrote: > Department of Accounts then? > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Hardware needs
On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 14:27, Nick Brooks wrote: > I've dealt with many a CCIE who don't know their ass from a hole in the > ground to be honest. > A certification just means you passed a test, and doesn't demonstrate > practical knowledge. LOL @ Bragging about your certs a few minutes ago then. > Perhaps we should get back to the subject at hand instead of this > pissing contest that this has become? I thought this alias was for > hlds... guess you've killed that thought. LOL you and your work mate were the ones who started throwing the "Look at me and my qaulifications and employer" bollocks around, not once did you see me mention any of mine :) If I remember correctly I was infact given the gentleman suggestions as to what I possibly could be. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Hardware needs
> If he only has 1.544 Mbps Internet connectivity then there's no way there > will be more than that going into the router. Not from the net side...but what about from the LAN side? -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Hardware needs
> A T1 can be franctional (but working for cisco you would know that) > right? Therefore his T1 connection could be 1meg or even less right? What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Other than to try to find some way to assert common knowledge as if it were unique to you? It's "fractional" btw... -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Hardware needs
On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 14:12, Nick Brooks wrote: > it could also be a frame relay with a CIR of 0, but that isn't the > point. the point is, your LAN traffic will always be greater than your > WAN traffic, irregardless. Cisco builds buffers into their IOS to help > alleviate the congestion that can occur. His problems may not be in the > router, LAN, cables, but in the upstream provider. Let's not point the > blame to the equipment so quickly. Let's also not forget that UDP is a > connectionless protocol, and therefore unreliable. It may be (hence the suggestion of line peer issues) , but as he only has control over his own network, where is the sensable place to start looking? Wouldnt happen to be the devices on his own network would it? Or is that just too far out of an idea? > > And its good to meet a Cisco Receptionist! > > > > Hardly. I work with him in the same office. We're not receptionists. CCDA Department of Accounts then? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
RE: [hlds_linux] Hardware needs
On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 14:25, Eric (Deacon) wrote: > Because it's cheaper, easier, and has no negative effects whatsoever. > If he already has a bad-ass 100Mb WAN connection to the router, then > whatever. He stated he already has a 100meg through to the router, therefore i see no reason to change it. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Hardware needs
I've dealt with many a CCIE who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground to be honest. A certification just means you passed a test, and doesn't demonstrate practical knowledge. Perhaps we should get back to the subject at hand instead of this pissing contest that this has become? I thought this alias was for hlds... guess you've killed that thought. Jeremy Brooking wrote: > On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 14:14, Nick Brooks wrote: > >>I guess I've never had practical experience on a network either then, >>based on your assumption. > > > When the CCIE sitting next to me starts pissing himself laughing at how > in-accurate the gentlemans comments were... yeah, the presumption is hes > had no practical experience with the situation the original poster was > replying too. > ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
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> You failed to answer my question though, why limit a 100meg connection > to 10meg? What possible advantage could It give you? I fail to see how > decreasing the size of his router/switch/server connection could > increase performance. Because it's cheaper, easier, and has no negative effects whatsoever. If he already has a bad-ass 100Mb WAN connection to the router, then whatever. -- Eric (the Deacon remix) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Hardware needs
On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 14:14, Nick Brooks wrote: > I guess I've never had practical experience on a network either then, > based on your assumption. When the CCIE sitting next to me starts pissing himself laughing at how in-accurate the gentlemans comments were... yeah, the presumption is hes had no practical experience with the situation the original poster was replying too. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Hardware needs
I guess I've never had practical experience on a network either then, based on your assumption. Guess my 2912, 2908, 675, 1600, etc. are just fancy paperweights right? Jeremy Brooking wrote: > On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 13:59, m0gely wrote: > >>then i guess my setup is all hosed too.. my intel 510 100mb switch >>plugging into my cisco 2621's *10/100* lan port is choking my server? >>wait lemme check, nope! the box is running great with two full 12 >>player servers going. you work for cisco fine, but what you say is >>either wrong or you're talking about something that doesn't apply here. >> the proof is in my connection. based on your info, it should work as >>good as it does. > > > Dude, hes a design associate, meaning theres a good chance hes never had > practical experience on a network. > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > -- Nick Brooks CCDA .~. /V\ // \\ >Phear the Penguin< /( )\ ^^-^^ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Hardware needs
Jeremy Brooking wrote: > On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 13:40, Chris Deome wrote: > >>A T1 is 1.544Mbits per second. If you have 100Mbits per second entering a >>router hosting a 1.5Mbits per second, that is roughly 100 times faster than >>the T1 and you will fill up all your available DRAM in the Cisco Router (Yes >>he mentioned Cisco) and packets will drop. I happen to work for Cisco, and >>your logic does not make sense. Sorry.. >> > > > A T1 can be franctional (but working for cisco you would know that) > right? Therefore his T1 connection could be 1meg or even less right? it could also be a frame relay with a CIR of 0, but that isn't the point. the point is, your LAN traffic will always be greater than your WAN traffic, irregardless. Cisco builds buffers into their IOS to help alleviate the congestion that can occur. His problems may not be in the router, LAN, cables, but in the upstream provider. Let's not point the blame to the equipment so quickly. Let's also not forget that UDP is a connectionless protocol, and therefore unreliable. > > Read what you typed again? Where exactly is 100meg of traffic entering > anywhere?? You are aware a 100meg interface refers to traffic VOLUME not > speed? Simply because he has 100meg avaliable to use between his server > and the router, does not at any stage mean it will be used. the maximum theoretical traffic entering the LAN side of the router would be at 100MB, now, shall we go into the TCP/IP sliding window bug, and get completely off topic even further? hell, let's disect the entire OSI while we're at it. :p > > If his WAN side connection is 1.5meg, and all his clients reside WAN > side, then no where in the topology will their be 100megs of traffic > being moved at anytime, unless of course his machine/router is > incorrectly configured and is spewing traffic where its not meant to go. what if his server isn't the only device on the network? there are other factors that can come into play here. let's not assume that his server is the only one on this elusive T1. > > And its good to meet a Cisco Receptionist! > Hardly. I work with him in the same office. We're not receptionists. > >>If he is hosting a LAN. Yes 100Mbits is fine and I wouldn't want him to >>limit that to 10Mbit.. However since this is heading out to the internet, >>and his WAN is extremely decreased, yes limit the connection or packets will >>drop, and therefore resolving the choke/lag. > > > And im going to stop right here.. you seem confused. > > ___ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > -- Nick Brooks CCDA .~. /V\ // \\ >Phear the Penguin< /( )\ ^^-^^ ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Hardware needs
On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 13:59, m0gely wrote: > then i guess my setup is all hosed too.. my intel 510 100mb switch > plugging into my cisco 2621's *10/100* lan port is choking my server? > wait lemme check, nope! the box is running great with two full 12 > player servers going. you work for cisco fine, but what you say is > either wrong or you're talking about something that doesn't apply here. > the proof is in my connection. based on your info, it should work as > good as it does. Dude, hes a design associate, meaning theres a good chance hes never had practical experience on a network. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
Re: [hlds_linux] Hardware needs
Chris Deome wrote: > A T1 is 1.544Mbits per second. If you have 100Mbits per second entering a > router hosting a 1.5Mbits per second, that is roughly 100 times faster than > the T1 and you will fill up all your available DRAM in the Cisco Router (Yes > he mentioned Cisco) and packets will drop. I happen to work for Cisco, and > your logic does not make sense. Sorry.. > > If he is hosting a LAN. Yes 100Mbits is fine and I wouldn't want him to > limit that to 10Mbit.. However since this is heading out to the internet, > and his WAN is extremely decreased, yes limit the connection or packets will > drop, and therefore resolving the choke/lag. > > Thanks, > Chris Deome > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > CCDA ID # CSCO10540091 > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- then i guess my setup is all hosed too.. my intel 510 100mb switch plugging into my cisco 2621's *10/100* lan port is choking my server? wait lemme check, nope! the box is running great with two full 12 player servers going. you work for cisco fine, but what you say is either wrong or you're talking about something that doesn't apply here. the proof is in my connection. based on your info, it should work as good as it does. -- - m0gely http://quake2.telestream.com/ Q2 | Q3A | Counter-strike ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
