Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn supervisor blog
You're not the only one who has problems with blue on black. Herb Foster From: Sean Kirkpatrick mu...@nbbc.us To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 4:17:33 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Horn supervisor blog Too bad, the color scheme is simply not readable to my eyes. I'd read it otherwise. Sean ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] NHR Healthcare in Europe
Surely you jest. I thought you have to be crazy to keep playing the horn. Herb Foster From: Anne Megenity amegen...@comcast.net To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:01:44 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] NHR Healthcare in Europe Yes- I agree. Health problems happen to hornfolk,too. Mental problems,not so much? - Original Message - From: Lawrence Yates yateslawre...@googlemail.com To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] NHR Healthcare in Europe I would be interested to see this discussion continued on-list. Cheers, Lawrence -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/amegenity%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist]. Conductor's. Was Confusing transposition
I was playing in an amateur orchestra where everyone was getting lost in a contemporary piece that was free-flowing with no definite rythm. The conductor waved the stick in a free-flowing style trying to emote. I respectfully asked him--I even played the senior citizen card--to give a definite downbeat at the beginning of each measure so I could count rests. He looked at me very startled and asked, EVERY measure? Would you believe that on the day of the concert, in the pre-concert rehearsal, he was still trying to get everyone to come in together? I spent many hours listening to a recording and writing in cues. I did make every entrance. Herb Foster From: lewho...@yahoo.com lewho...@yahoo.com To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 4:44:51 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist]. Conductor's. Was Confusing transposition Ah yes, Scott. To be young and still think that most conductors are infallable and that they are god... Sorry to burst your bubble, but I can tell stories and I don't play at the level that Hans and others on this forum have worked. I personally have worked under conductors that in some cases were totally clueless. Some of our colleagues on this list in the Metropolitan area where I reside (the name of the community shall remain nameless to protect the innocent, lol) know of a certain conductor that if you watched him, you were sure to get lost when he conducted a piece in three that really was in four. I am not joking! He also liked to play John Williams' music at a VERY slow tempo. I have said he couldn't conduct his way out of a paper bag. Now that my colleagues from my area are hopefully chuckling, I withdraw probably to be flamed. Walt Lewis --Original Message-- From: scott...@msn.com Sender: horn-bounces+lewhorn9=yahoo@music.memphis.edu To: horn@music.memphis.edu ReplyTo: The Horn List Subject: FW: [Hornlist] Confusing transposition (double post) Sent: Aug 17, 2009 4:15 PM Walt Lewis wrote: Won't that infuriate most conductors, even those that are so bad they can't conduct electricity let alone Wagner, Mendelssohn, Brahms et al? My question is how do you know they cannot conduct electricity unless you try... hard. Respectfully Submitted, Scott Young ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/lewhorn9%40yahoo.com Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Recording (NHR)
Since my interest is more technical, the first Google hit I got was wackypedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Lobachevsky He was a famous mathematician. I am impressed that you were the recording engineer. I have the record. I don't remember Boulder, Boulder, though I do remember The Masochism Tango, which isn't on your list. Horn related: Other recording artists from that era who recorded horn related songs were Flanders and Swan, and Anna Russel. Flanders and Swan recorded Ill Wind to the K495 Rondo. Anna Russel did some hilarious songs about the horn (The orchestra is divided into .. the scrape section, the blow section and the bang section) and the Ring (I'm not making this up, you know). I shouldn't play these CDs while I am driving: I lose control from laughing. Herb Foster From: Glick, Ed gl...@unt.edu To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 10:32:07 PM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: Recording (NHR) I don't recall Boulder, Boulder. but I think it's possible that he made another recording at a later date. The recording I made was in 1953. The 10 LP (remember those? Only if you're really old!) has the TransRadio (the name of our studio) label on it and the songs are copyrighted 1952, 1953. The songs on Side 1 are: Fight Fiercely, Harvard, The Old Dope Peddler, Be Prepared, The Wild West, I Wanna Go Back to Dixie, Lobachevsky. On Side 2 were The Irish Ballad,The Hunting Song, My Home Town, When You Are Old and Gray, I Hold Your Hand in Mine, and the Wiener Schnitzel Waltz. As I said, I don't remember anything with Boulder, Boulder in it. I'll listen to the disc again to check, but I believe it must have been on a later [commercial] recording that duplicated some of the songs from the original disc. We cut a master from the tape I made and Lehrer sold those records himself. (His address was printed on the back of the album cover.) Of all the songs on the disc (all original), Lobachevsky was the one that really didn't fit in with the style of the others. I was told that Lehrer, who was a teaching fellow in Math at Harvard at the time, composed and recorded the song to appeal to fellow mathematicians and believed he could sell a few more to them with this song. (Lobachevsky was a famous mathematician known to all in that field - I think) I remember that during the heyday of That Was the Week that Was on tv, Lehrer had a regularly recurring spot on the program. I don't know how long that lasted. Ed Glick P.S. I thought I would be smart and googled Lobachevsky, hoping to find out something about Lobachevsky. I quit after finding 20 pages just of Lehrer's Lobachevsky song. There were many more. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+glick=unt@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+glick=unt@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Gross Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 5:32 PM To: 'The Horn List' Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Re: Recording Me too, I still have the copy my father bought. I can't remember the lead it, but side one ends with him saying Mighty, mighty, Boulder Boulder. . . you flip it over and the first word on side 2 is dam. At that time, late 50s early 60s that was pushing the limits. . . . Do not shade your eyes, but plagiarize. . . and who deserves the credit, who deserve the fame? Nicolai Ivanovich Lobachevsky was name. -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+bgross=airmail@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Richard V. West Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 5:21 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Recording Hey, I'm impressed! In my youth (just a few years younger than you, Ed), Lehrer was the MAN! I hold your hand in mine dear, though you are far away Ah, the beauty of it all. Richard in Seattle Glick, Ed wrote: Incidentally, although I'm sure you're younger than I am (83 - me, not you), but you may be of the generation that heard (or heard of) the recording by Tom Lehrer. (Be prepared, that's the Boy Scout marching song, Lobachevsky, etc.). If you know of this recording, you may (or may not) be impressed that I was the engineer on the original recording. (Of course, if you've never heard of it, you probably won't be.) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/glick%40unt.edu ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at
Re: [Hornlist] Recording
I find the Zoom H2 perfectly satisfactory not only for recording myself, but for recording concerts. I don't have any problem with hiss with an external mic. If you want to be fancy and use a mic with phantom power, get the H4. Herb Foster From: Robert N. Ward rnw...@comcast.net To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 7:46:00 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Recording Have a look here: http://www.transom.org/tools/recording_interviewing/200703_recorder_reviews/ Lots of reviews and examples. B ** Robert N. Ward Principal Horn San Francisco Symphony rnw...@comcast.net On Jul 30, 2009, at 4:40 PM, Allen Smithson wrote: Hello All,I'm currently shopping for a recording device so I can quickly listen to practice sessions, lessons, auditions, and so on. I've been reading some reviews on digital recording devices but I'm worried that these devices will work great for voice recording and horribly for recording a horn. What do you all use/like? Any help would greatly appreciated.Thanks,Allen ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/rnward%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Receiver size on Selman double horn
Thank you, John, for setting us straight. Ventura bothered me subliminally. Giovanni Battista Venturi was Italian, so shouldn't the singular be venturo, or is it one ventura, two venture ?-) Herb Foster From: John Kowalchuk hornonta...@yahoo.ca To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Friday, May 1, 2009 1:08:31 AM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Receiver size on Selman double horn Every time this subject comes up I wonder about the symantics. Is it venturi or ventura? I finally spent five seconds looking it up and learned Giovanni Battista Venturi (1746-1822) discovered the venturi effect which is named after him. So it is one venturi, several venturis. I have accomplished my task of learning something new today so I am going to bed now. John Kowalchuk Maker of mutes/horns/canoes/paddles/bikes Oshawa, Ontariohttp://kowalchukmutes.com Canadians don't surf the net, we paddle it. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Rare horn piece to be performed
Am there, doing that. I belong to the South Orange Symphony Orhestra--three letter abbreviation, though four is no better. Usually we don't need help, though. Herb foster From: David Goldberg goldb...@wccnet.org To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 1:14:54 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Rare horn piece to be performed Loren Mayhew wrote: It seems that 2-letter abbreviations work for state and country abbreviations, 3-letter abbreviations are sufficient worldwide for baggage claim tickets, but orchestras need 4-letter abbreviations. That is why my orchestra is abbreviated SASO (Southern Arizona Symphony Orchestra). You might think symphony and orchestra are redundant words but it makes our abbreviation necessary and unique. orchestra of Southern Arizona, Tucson and Beyond is so close: the SATB orchestra - - - and - - - what, under this framework, would the poor folks of Southern Ohio or Southern Oregon call their Symphony Orchestra for short? David Goldberg ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] New Acoustical Testing of the Horn
Ah hah! That must be the clam production area. Over how many 100,000ths of an inch does it extend? Will there be a demonstration at KBHC? Herb Foster From: kendallbe...@aol.com kendallbe...@aol.com To: h...@yahoogroups.com; horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 5:46:59 PM Subject: [Hornlist] New Acoustical Testing of the Horn Dear Hornlisters, I am very excited about the news I will convey to you here and now! ... At 138.22996 (where my hand rests in the yellow brass bell flare) the picture was a cloudy, clammy gray on both sides of the horn! ... ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Eric Hauser's Horn?
I like Ellen Stone's look. What am I doing here? Hurry up and take that picture. Herb Foster From: Carl Ek car...@hotmail.com To: Hornlist memphis horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:44:24 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Eric Hauser's Horn? Dear Hornlisters, From the look Eric Hauser is giving in that photo, he seems to be rather puzzled too ! Carl Ek Ahhh..Spring in Mooselip !!=Dick Martz wrote: Hi, Guys: I'm puzzled by a horn in a photo of Eric Hauser:http://www.rjmartz.com/horns/HauserIt looks to me to be a single B-Flat horn with a fourth valve perhaps intendedas an F extension, however the lengths of the third and fourth valve slides seemwrong. Both appear to be too long for a normal third valve slide for a B-flathorn and too short for an F extension. Actually the fourth valve looks aboutright for an F horn third valve. Any ideas? Also, does anyone recognize the other two people in the photo? Thanks, Dick Martz ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Archaic Kimchee
Good one, Kendall. You're right, though. I heard from another hired gun who has already attended a rehearsal that the lone high school hornist is inexperienced and not confident. Now the trick is to have her have a successful learning experience. Herb Foster From: kendallbe...@aol.com kendallbe...@aol.com To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 1:42:18 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Archaic Kimchee Confucius say: Herb who sub in youth orchestra Foster learning amongst young players. HF wrote: I often wonder what the audience thinks of my white beard and hair when I fill in the horn section in the mostly Chinese youth orchestra. **Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0001) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Eric Hauser's Horn?
Some have thought the 3rd slide is the correct 3 half step length. However, maybe it's 4 half steps--major third. This would give the dedicated finger-wiggling Bb hornist many options... Herb Foster From: Dick Martz rjmartz.li...@att.net To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 5:36:37 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Eric Hauser's Horn? Hi, Guys: I'm puzzled by a horn in a photo of Eric Hauser: http://www.rjmartz.com/horns/Hauser/ It looks to me to be a single B-Flat horn with a fourth valve perhaps intended as an F extension, however the lengths of the third and fourth valve slides seem wrong. Both appear to be too long for a normal third valve slide for a B-flat horn and too short for an F extension. Actually the fourth valve looks about right for an F horn third valve. Any ideas? Also, does anyone recognize the other two people in the photo? Thanks, Dick Martz -- http://www.rjmartz.com/horns Horn Collection ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Cabbage on the Road
I often wonder what the audience thinks of my white beard and hair when I fill in the horn section in the mostly Chinese youth orchestra. Herb Foster From: David Laraway da...@dlaraway.com To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 1:30:54 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Cabbage on the Road Oh Cruciferous One, You come to my home town and are NOT performing on natural horn. Could that possibly mean you are performing on an unnatural horn (maybe even a GMO horn?) I'm amazed that I hadn't heard about you coming here since I play in 2 local symphonies and I hadn't heard about this. What will be your venue and time? Just now looking at the newmediatoolkit site I see it is a Playing with Ideas conference, again, something I hadn't heard about. (I also fill in the brass section in the local youth symphony, but considering my age, that would cause me to sign myself as..) Well Aged Kimchee (Usually known as David Laraway) horncabb...@aol.com wrote: During the next two weeks, list members will enjoy two opportunities to miss Professor Cabbage deliver his overly familiar talk on the physics of brass musical instruments. The first will be this Wednesday evening, March 25, in San Marcos, California, wherever that is. Then on Friday, April 3, the Cruciferous One will bring his road show to Shasta College in Redding, California, wherever that is. If, by some unlucky chance, you are only able to miss one of these talks, then the one in San Marcos would be a good choice, since the Peripatetic One will not be performing on natural horn at Shasta College. Details, including escape maps and lists of excuses, may be found at the following sites: http://www.csusm.edu/communications/articles/PhysicsBrassMusical.html http://www.newmediatoolkit.com/index.php?option=com_contentview=article; id=48:holmesbiocatid=34:biosItemid=54 Gotta go, Cabbage ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Jonathan West got it right!
The brand of oil/slide grease does make a difference. Case in point being my former 8D and my current Finke. On the 8D Rotor brand oil, with its anticorrosion agent worked beautifully. Howerver, it stopped my Finke plastic valves cold. Now, Johannes Finke says not to use any oil on the valves. Ken Pope disagrees, and after seeing the green carbonate that I had Ken take out, I agree with Ken. I currently use deodorized lamp oil with some sewing machine oil in it. I blow it through the horn (after snaking out the leadpipe). When the valves start slowing down, I repeat the process. In the interim I drop the oil down the valve tubes with bottle with a lo-o-ong spout. I'm not sure that Ken agrees with my regimen, but it works for me, and there's no green in the valve area when I peek down the valve slides. Slide grease? Professor Gestopftmitscheisst axle grease. BTW, the reason for the oil in the lamp oil is that the lamp oil (kerosene) evaporates quickly, leaving the oil to protect the brass. Eventually the lamp oil evaporates in the valves, and they start getting slower. Time to repeat. Herb Foster From: Jonathan West jw...@mvps.org To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:06:58 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Jonathan West got it right! 2009/3/21 Alexander Guziel drcrawf...@gmail.com: You can put the oil in the slides then keep the oil in the bottom, then put it in all the way, and turn it over so it doesn't touch anything It will touch something, since as I mentioned there will be grease attached to the inside of the tubing which has been pushed to just beyond the maximum insertion point of the slides. Now, it may be that your particular combination of oil and slide grease is such that the grease hardly dissolves at all in the oil, in which case you're OK irrespective of the way you get the oil there. I prefer not to take a chance on it, as I suspect that there are cases where a sludge of oil and dissolved grease has slowed up valves. Regards Jonathan West ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Ice horn
Well, that's one way to ice sore lips. Hasn't ice been used as a filler for bending tubing? Herb Foster From: Brass Arts Unlimited i...@brassarts.com To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:30:07 AM Subject: [Hornlist] Ice horn As seen on Reuters, perhaps we've found the next great alloy for making bell flares. Kendall Betts can do an acoustic study and let us know the results. http://www.reuters.com/news/pictures/rpSlideshows?articleId=USRTXBS1Q#a=4 or *http://tinyurl.com/cyjrd2* -- Regards, Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [hornlist]Inauguration picture
Antiphonal horn section! Once our band had the horns and tubas at opposite ends, and the result was stereo ping pong oomp--pah. Anyone remember ping pong in stereo? Herb Foster From: John Baumgart john.baumg...@comcast.net To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Friday, February 6, 2009 9:38:11 PM Subject: RE: [hornlist]Inauguration picture The odd shape of the stage probably had something to do with it. John Baumgart -Original Message- From: horn-bounces+john.baumgart=comcast@music.memphis.edu [mailto:horn-bounces+john.baumgart=comcast@music.memphis.edu] On Behalf Of Herbert Foster Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 11:55 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [hornlist]Inauguration picture There are horns on the near side next to the tubas, and there are horns on the opposite side next to the trombones. What sort of arrangement is that, and who plays what? Herb Foster ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [hornlist]Inauguration picture
There are horns on the near side next to the tubas, and there are horns on the opposite side next to the trombones. What sort of arrangement is that, and who plays what? Herb Foster From: Simon Varnam simonvar...@gmail.com To: Leonard Peggy Brown waldh...@sbcglobal.net Cc: horn list memphis horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 8:37:32 PM Subject: Re: [hornlist]Inauguration picture Incredible!! You can almost read their parts! I'm curious about the three people to the left (as viewed) of the horns, who have no instruments. Surely it doesn't take three to operate a fire extinguisher. :-) Simon On 2009/02/06, at 10:21, Leonard Peggy Brown wrote: - Original Message - From: Simon Varnam simonvar...@gmail.com To: waldh...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 6:25 PM Subject: Re:[hornlist] I'm afraid the picture didn't get through the system. :-( If it's online could you tell us the URL, please? Thanks Simon message: 4 date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 19:30:36 -0600 from: Leonard Peggy Brown waldh...@sbcglobal.net subject: [Hornlist] inauguration day Here is a really nice picture of the inauguratoin a few weeks ago. The neat thing is that you can zoom in for great detail. Forget about the people on stage, there is the Marine Corp. horn section in full cold glory right under Mr. Obama. (That is the USMC band isn't it?) Mark Q, your still in the band? LLB Simon, Other than the fact I didn't include the address I can't understand why you can't see the picture. Thanks for your note. Oh, it is the USMC band I can see the globe and anchor on their covers. http://gigapan.org/viewGigapanFullscreen.php?auth=033ef14483ee899496648c2b4b06233c LLB ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Doubling instruments
Bare hands don't cause tarnish. They do leave oils on the brass, which cause uneven tarnishing. Those of us who are acidic (green hands) can cause corrosion. The handbells community worries about such things changing tuning and looks. Herb Foster From: Jeremy Cucco jer...@sublymerecords.com To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 1:40:25 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Doubling instruments Did you take the time to explain to them that they do not need to worry about wearing the white gloves and that the tarnish induced is an layer of gases that actually protects the finish of the bell? Then, did you show them your gloriously unlacquered horn as proof? Carlisle Landel wrote: So there I was, subbing on 4th for the local community orchestra. (I got the plea for me to sub with two rehearsals to go, including dress.) One piece was a premiere of an orchestral arrangement of a piece that included handbells. It was dress rehearsal and it turned out that there weren't enough handbell players to cover the parts. The percussionists were otherwise occupied. The third and fourth horns were sitting out for this piece, so I volunteered to play the handbell in G. Yep. It's official. I am now a ringer! Carlisle ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jeremy%40sublymerecords.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] RE: Dent Bags
But then you'd have to place a warning sign: Warning, this product may contain peanuts. Of course the allergy itself is no joking matter. If horn cases were made of softer foam, the horn would be better protected, but you'd have to replace the case after a drop. In the course of commuting to work for several years, I have replaced my bicycle helmet several times. Cheaper than heads. Herb Foster From: horncabb...@aol.com horncabb...@aol.com To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Monday, February 2, 2009 1:57:34 AM Subject: [Hornlist] RE: Dent Bags James M wrote I once read about a science teacher assigning a problem to his class. The problem was to design a case or package to have a hen egg dropped from third story window to the side walk below without damage to the egg. Two students solved the problem. Perhaps instead off getting an engineer to do the job, give the job to high school students to protect the horn. Just a thought. *** I used to sponsor Physics Olympics at San Jose State. Students from local high schools would compete in various events. One involved encasing a raw egg so that it would be undamaged after falling 15 meters. Parachutes were not allowed. Generally, about half the entries were successful, so we awarded prizes to the smallest, lightest containers. One year a successful entrant dropped their egg inside a jar of peanut butter. I think that would be the ideal way to protect a horn. Gotta go, Cabbage ** Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://www.dell.com/co ntent/products/features.aspx/laptops_great_dealsamp; #63;c=us%26cs=19%26l=en%26s=dhs%26amp;#126;ck=anavml) ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags
That's true. I have a daughter for whom we bought a new trombone, with case when she was in middle school. 17 years later it is in pristine condition. She has used it constantly and traveled the world with it. She's also good at sweet-talking her trombone on board airliners with her. Herb Foster From: valkh...@aol.com valkh...@aol.com To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sunday, February 1, 2009 4:14:31 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags Thanks. I also might add that some people could use no case and would have a dent-free horn, while others would manage to dent their horn even if it was safe in a Sherman tank. -William In a message dated 2/1/2009 4:12:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jer...@sublymerecords.com writes: Lawrence - Maybe I'm missing something, but I believe he's made his objection quite clear numerous times in every e-mail he's sent. Weight and form factor are the objections. Frankly, if I had a fixed bell horn, I would object to hard cases for the same reasons. However, I've used some gig bags in the past on my detachable bell horns and have almost always had bad luck regarding dents. The one notable exception is the Reunion Blues leather gig bag, which, in my opinion, offers better protection than many fixed bell cases. Cheers- Jeremy ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags
How are the hinges? I had to repair mine after 5 years when the screws pulled out of the cardboard composition shell, but I'm harder on things than my daughter (see previous post). Other than that I've been quite satisfied with the Thompson Edition case. I hope they've improved the design. A piece of wood for the screws to screw into would do it. It's very comfortable in back pack configuration. Herb Foster From: Jerry Houston jerry.hous...@comcast.net To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sunday, February 1, 2009 5:13:29 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Dent bags On Sunday 01 February 2009 13:14:31 valkh...@aol.com wrote: Maybe I'm missing something, but I believe he's made his objection quite clear numerous times in every e-mail he's sent. Weight and form factor are the objections. Frankly, if I had a fixed bell horn, I would object to hard cases for the same reasons. However, I've used some gig bags in the past on my detachable bell horns and have almost always had bad luck regarding dents. I have Thompson Edition cases in both fixed- and cut-bell versions, and I like 'em a lot. So far, they've provided complete protection to my horns, yet they're comfortable to carry. And compared with other compact and protective cases, they're not expensive. It's been a while, but I seem to recall that mine were about $250 each. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] RE: Donato
As I have said, I prefer style to vulgarity. For stress and anxiety, I take a dose of Florence Foster Jenkins (no relation). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtf2Q4yyuJ0 Here the accompanist has to change keys on the fly (not a diptera or zipper, Cabbage) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExSlVoQ0e5cfeature=related Herb Foster From: wells123...@juno.com wells123...@juno.com To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 3:31:07 PM Subject: [Hornlist] RE: Donato Rx Hans Wendell: (1) Kava-kava 250mg 3 times a day or as needed for stress anxiety. (2) Long vacation. (3) Avoid Donato videos and discussions. --- Rx for everyone else: (1) Funny Donato videos as needed for stress anxiety. Valerie ;o) Find out how fast you can be debt free! Click now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/PnY6rbwZcisZOtKryZ0TkaINa6NQTcp31jXR2pjhgVE4V9cnUTTTW/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Auf dem Strom
Thank you for the link. If you click on About Key Color in http://www.rollingball.com/TemperamentsFrames.htm http://www.rollingball.com/TemperamentsFrames.htm you will see what was believed to be the color or mood of each key. This was independent of the absolute pitch of the key. It is interesting to compare these to the keys Auf dem Strom is played in. Note that there are changes of key in the piece. Herb Foster From: John Dutton dutto...@gmail.com To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 10:24:26 AM Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Auf dem Strom quote: Although in Schuberts time tuning was already more or less equal, this theory was still around. With respect to M v d L, equal temperament was not common until the 20C and then only regionally at the beginning. There were a few companies that claimed to tune keyboards to equal temperament such as Broadwood in England but it was not better than close and remained a Well temperament. Even by 1930's when piano tuners claimed to be tuning ET most accomplished only a sort of reverse well temp because of how they created the temperament octave aurally. For a graphic illustration of temperaments check out this website: http://www.rollingball.com/TemperamentsFrames.htm http://www.rollingball.com/TemperamentsFrames.htm I would definitely accept that Well Temperaments had supplanted Mean Tone temperaments which indeed would have smoothed out some of the harshness of off keys. For those that are kind of scratching their heads at this point.In historical keyboard temperaments, the key of C major was the only one that was close to truly Just. Every key going either way around the circle of 5ths became ever more dissonant and full of tension so that by the time there were 5 flats or sharps the key was considered unusable in Bach's time. Bach and a few others around Europe were experimenting with smoothing some of this dissonance out and the era of Well Temperaments came about. Well Temperaments ARE NOT equal temperaments. Some are closer than others but definitely not equal. I'll stop here but whole dissertations are written on this topic, and just like in the horn world, there is a lot of bad information that is repeated in various reputable sources as well. The Jack Attack! ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Auf dem Strom
Didn't the mood of a key have more to do with how that key was out of tune on the keyboard compared to just temperament? Herb Foster From: Han-Wen Nienhuys hanw...@gmail.com To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:22:03 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Re: Auf dem Strom On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Daniel B. Hrdy ddbbh...@earthlink.net wrote: That's good, Hans, I should have ordered it from you. Do you think Schubert would mind all these different keys? Why did he pick E? There are supposed to be certain moods associated with certain keys, but I've never really believed that when it comes to horn playing. In Schubert's time, an E was markedly lower than today, so Schubert's E will have sounded differently anyway. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - han...@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Music Dictionary Recommendation
The conductor doesn't necessarily know everything. In a previous thread I had asked what en dehors meant in Afternoon of a Faun by Debussy. The consensus was that it meant to the fore. Our conductor had said that it meant from a distance. When I told him of my findings, he stood corrected. He is a good conductor, and I respect him a lot. By the way, some editions of Afternoon of a Faun have wrong notes. If it doesn't tell you to remove the sardines, err... mutes, there's at least one wrong note. Herb Foster On Nov 25, 2008, at 2:34 PM, hans wrote: I have begun with it, but it takes some time. Such small music dictionaries are rare, the really small but with a lot of information. Most were published in German language, sorry, but they are available at antiquars only. Rec.: use your common sense ask the conductor. Don't be shy. It is not a shame, not to know some very rare musical terms in a foreign language. BUT THE CONDUCTOR HAS TO KNOW THEM (rarely !) AND UNDERSTAND THEM - HOPEFULLY ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Very interesting Youtube - how to convince
I'm afraid I have to agree with you, Hans. He has no music in his bones. His answer to Radovan Vlatovic's Le rendez-vous di chasse was disgusting. Listening to Radovan Vlatovic was a breath of fresh air. Herb Foster From: hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 3:08:58 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Very interesting Youtube - how to convince Friends, I recommend a visit on Youtube search for donatoinglese. This is a real name: Donato Inglese. He fits into some peoples how to convince. This guy is ruining the fame of the horn with his many video clips. One is taken (even prohibited) during his participation (first round only) at the September 2008 International Competition in Sannicandro in Italy. You can see the jury, when he plays Castel del Monte by Nino Rota. I was near jumping up taking his horn away when he literaly blew this lovely introduction to pieces in his attempt to convince the people by his power. What he did with Hermann Baumann was disgusting infame. Have a look, please. Special interesting might be his Mozart K.495 interpretation his Strauss No.1. Here the cameraman/woman, the pianist the hornplayer created a convincing unity of incapability. The pianist hit a right note rarely. Listening to it is not a fun. But he is the GREATEST. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Effects in Debussy Afternoon of a Fawn
I have some questions on how to get the desired effects in Afternoon of a Fawn. There is one section with the instruction en dehors that means, I understand, from a distance. I can't run offstage; there's not even enough time (none) to put in a mute. A possibility is hand muting, where you finger a half note higher. Near the end, after you've removed the sardine, err... mute, the score asks for cuivre, then bouche. A loud brassy tone would be inappropriate. Would you hand stop the cuivre, then hand mute the bouche? Herb Foster ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Fracks, Splits, and Critics
It even happens in amateur recordings. I always record the dress rehearsal as well as the performance. I correct the most egregious clams from all sections either from a repeat, if there is one, or from the dress rehearsal. Some times I have to change the pitch and/or tempo of the section I splice in. One point about a recording is that the same clam happens at the same place every time. During a performance the clam is more forgivable, particularly if you're caught up in the music--the reason you're at a performance rather than listening to a recording. What is so different about a performance compared to a recording? More is being communicated than just the notes. My friends who are into such things call it energy or chi. Herb Foster - Original Message From: Glick, Ed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 10:17:01 PM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Fracks, Splits, and Critics -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eldon Matlick Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 9:01 PM To: horn@music.memphis.edu Subject: [Hornlist] Fracks, Splits, and Critics Eldon, I agree with what you say here, but I want to make a comment about one point you make, regarding recordings of live performances. It's my understanding that in many live concert recordings, sections from recordings from different nights (when an orchestra does perform the same program over several nights) are spliced in where necessary. (I put the word splice in quotes, because tape - if tape is even used - is no longer spliced physically now, but by a computer.) I'm told that sometimes the orchestra is even called back to record sections specifically for the recording. This is all hearsay. Does anyone have direct knowledge of what goes on in live recordings? Ed Glick ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] RE: Tight as can be...
Such straps also are useful for those of us who (ahem) have many, many years of experience. I use one inch woven strapping. It holds its shape so you can quickly insert you hand after dewatering, or waking up on the last measure of a 50 measure rest. Herb Foster - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2008 10:55:37 PM Subject: [Hornlist] RE: Tight as can be... If it's a grip issue, I might be able to help. I had a grip problem when I came back to horn 2 1/2 years ago. I was playing a Holton 179 my left hand would get painful cramps from gripping holding this heavy instrument. The cramping most definitely impaired my technique. I tried various commercially made straps found they added too much bulk and made it even more difficult for my short fingers to reach the levers. I fashioned a strap made of thin cotton cloth that anchors on the pinky hook enabling me to play the horn w/o putting my pinky into the hook. Because the weight of the instrument is supported by the crotch between the thumb first knuckle, there's no pain, strain or cramping. I gave one of my straps to another small female horn player and also another to my 11 year old student. It solved grip cramping problems for them as well. If you think this might be the issue, contact me off list. Valerie in Tacoma Beauty Product Reviews Read Unbiased Beauty Product Reviews and Join Our Product Review Team! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/JKFkuJNzuTny3HjRXCYDc767Lc8tgxW73iHhDxR58mFuagtpWa2Wc0/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Acoustics
I have found that an empty 1/2 liter or 1 pint water bottle to be as effective and somewhat more in tune. Less expensive, too. Herb Foster - Original Message From: Kerri Bridges [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 5:37:44 AM Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Acoustics On the same note, what's the opinion of practice mutes? Are they worth it or should one just resolve to disturb the neigbours? Thanks, Kerri ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: SV: [Hornlist] Perspex mouthpiece
Be aware that lexan is a polycarbonate plastic. Polycarbonates are made with bisphenol-A (BPA), which is a known endocrine disruptor. There is some controversy of the use of polycarbonates in, e.g. water bottles. The data is not all in. Herb Foster - Original Message From: Sven Bring [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 10:12:29 AM Subject: SV: [Hornlist] Perspex mouthpiece Kelly's lexan mpcs are not expensive. I have only tried one of the tuba models, and it was quite OK. http://www.kellymouthpieces.com/french_horn.asp Sven - Ursprungligt meddelande Från: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Till: horn@music.memphis.edu Skickat: fredag 30 maj 2008 15:40:51 Ämne: [Hornlist] Perspex mouthpiece I commented on these see through mouthpieces many years ago (those who feel so inclined may look up my exact words in the archive) - For those who can't be bothered, (which includes me) I re-iterate what I said then: A friend of mine bought one of these perspex mouthpieces so that he could see what his pupils were doing. It was very expensive and was a copy of a Paxman mouthpiece. As a teaching aid it was entirely successful right up until the moment he tried to use it at which point, condensation (or maybe spit) formed on the inside of the mouthpiece rendering it completely opaque. He now has it drilled with a hole and uses it as a keyring. Cheers, Larence lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/sven.bring%40yahoo.se __ Ta semester! - sök efter resor hos Yahoo! Shopping. Jämför pris på flygbiljetter och hotellrum här: http://shopping.yahoo.se/c-169901-resor-biljetter.html?partnerId=96914052 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Horn Position
I have been asked off list what is moleskin that I use to alleviate right thumb pressure when I play off the leg. Moleskin is an adhesive backed sheet of felt like material sold for people with foot problems. You'll find it next to the Dr. Scholls pads in supermarkets and drugstores (chemists in UK?). I haven't tried them. I cut out small pieces and cover the callous. I've tried rotating the hand to put less pressure on the thumb, but that stresses the wrist tendons, something I don't want. We're all built differently, something that some people don't understand. Herb Foster ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Alessio Allegrini
I have found that the best bread makes the most crumbs. Hmm... Herb Foster - Original Message From: Daniel Canarutto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 7:01:35 AM Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Alessio Allegrini I forgot: besides the quality of his playing, Alessio Allegrini is also known for answering to Riccardo Muti: Maestro, il pane fa le briciole e il corno fa li scrocchi [Maestro, bread makes crumbs and the horn makes cracks] Daniel ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Falling Apart
I prefer to play the finger horn. The hand horn I have not mastered. Herb Foster - Original Message From: Steve Freides [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 11:40:32 PM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Falling Apart -Original Message- From: James Maddrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 11:14 PM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Falling Apart Now, suppose that two valves acted up. You would be up the proverbial creek without a paddle. Wouldn't it it solve the problem if you knew how to play the natural horn? I prefer to play the unnatural horn. According to all accounts, unnatural is an accurate description of the sound of my playing. -S- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Counting rests
If you used the Gray code, you'd only have to move one finger at a time. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_code Herb Foster - Original Message From: Marc Gelfo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 8:25:58 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Counting rests I tend to make a lot of notations about what's going on during rests and before entrances. I also break up long rests into smaller chunks, which is the biggest help for me. I never count more than 32 rests at a time. And let me tell you why it's that magic number 32: I count in binary!! Using one hand only, that means I can count to 32, reliably, with one unique position per number. Here are some links to info about finger binary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finger_binary http://www.glassgiant.com/geek/count_to_31_on_one_hand/ http://www.intuitor.com/counting/ Having played Mahler 8 last year, I can assure you, that is no easy symphony to count rests. Don't beat yourself up about it :-) Cheers, Marc Gelfo ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Looooow F on Vienna Horn?
Couldn't it be played as a false note on first valve? Actually, I have found that false notes are sharp, so 12 might be better. My false notes are not strong, but I should think that a good player would be fairly strong. I forget the technical term for false note, but it means the same thing. Herb Foster - Original Message From: Jonathan West [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 9:01:12 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Low F on Vienna Horn? 2008/4/24 Mark Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I play a Vienna Horn and my community orchestra has programmed Mahler's 4th for our next program. I've been assigned 3rd Horn since the pedal F notes in the 2nd and 4th parts are generally not assumed to be playable on a single F horn. I was hoping you could provide me with the solution used by Vienna Horn players for this not, since these parts were in all likelihood written for them. I have a copy of all four parts to hand. The bass clef passages are old notation. The only pedal F I can find is in the 4th part, last movement, rehearsal mark 10, where the 2nd 4th horns are in octaves for a slow pianissimo passage, the 4th starting on a minim pedal F, and going on to crotchet G, A, minim B, then crotchet A, G followed by a final minim F. The tempo marking is Wieder plotzlich zuruckhaltend (apologies Hans for not including the necessary umlauts). In other words, the passage is fairly slow and very quiet, which I imagine would leave an opportunity for the player to use hand and lip to push the pitch down to F from F#. As 2nd is playing the same passage an octave above, you would have a good reference pitch for the purpose of adjusting the tuning. Challenging for a single F horn, Vienna or otherwise, but by no means impossible. Regards Jonathan West ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Looooow F on Vienna Horn?
Right you are. It's factitious note. With all our sports car gadgets, we forget about such things. Herb Foster - Original Message From: Paul Mansur [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 1:09:11 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Low F on Vienna Horn? I think you mean factitious note. That is, a manufactured note that isn't on the horn. Such as the low G in the Beethoven Sonata for natural horn. It's pretty easy to produce. Paul Mansur On Apr 25, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Herbert Foster wrote: Couldn't it be played as a false note on first valve? Actually, I have found that false notes are sharp, so 12 might be better. My false notes are not strong, but I should think that a good player would be fairly strong. I forget the technical term for false note, but it means the same thing. Herb Foster ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Pick-up notes
Doug, what you say is the concept of phrasing that I strive for. However, Kendall Betts, no mean player and teacher himself says, Pick ups are strong, downbeats are weak, the following notes of the bar (or beat) go 'up' through the last beat (or end of the subdivision), to the weakened downbeat of the next bar (or beat) unless it's the 'end' and perhaps then you make it stronger as the peak of the phrase to give a feeling of finality. I do not think this quote is out of context. To my untrained ear that is contrary to what you say. Now it may be that you teachers are overemphasizing the direction you want the student to go, hoping that the student will do 20% of it. There is, however, the adage, Be careful of what you ask for--You might get it. Herb Confused Foster - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:23:26 AM Subject: [Hornlist] Pick-up notes It seems to me that most melodies can have words added to them. I'm sure many of us do this when trying to teach our students how we want them to phrase or to illustrate the emotional content. A singer has to have a very clear picture of the entire phrase before he starts, especially the emphasis points to which the breath leads. If the libretto has been set effectively, the stressed syllables will fall on the strong beats, and the words with the most emotive content will have the longest duration and be sung with a mezza di voce i.e. slight swell (emphasis on slight, NOT twah-twah), to make sure that the air continues to move forward rather than become static. Pick-up notes aren't thrown away, but neither are they goals in a phrase, the strong beats and sustained notes are the goals, and appogiaturae are especially important points of stress to which the air must lead and blossoom through. Frequently, students make the highest note of the phrase the goal or are confrontational about the first note regardless of its relative weight in the overall phrase, thus leading to interpretations that frequently put the em-PHA-sis on the wrong syl-LA-bel, which only serves to inhibit technical execution. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Changing tone color
As well as being a fine teacher, Douglas is a singer, and he adds that perspective to his teaching. This brings up a question. We are taught not to de-emphasize pick-up notes, if not to emphasize them. However, when I am singing, pick-up notes are usually on weak syllables. How do I sing on the horn with these seemingly contradictory directions? Herb Foster - Original Message From: Douglas Lundeen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 4:46:58 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Changing tone color I was really glad to hear Hans comment on changing tone color. It IS extremely rare in modern wind playing in general and brass playing in particular to hear people talk of changing colors. There are (fewer now than formerly) different tone-colors out there, but each school seems to be aiming for one basic sound. String players (especially chamber musicians) think a lot about color and changing it, and can see with there eyes how changing the distance from the bridge changes the tone color, etc., etc. By changing the mouthspace (vowel), and the air/volume/speed/pressure recipe for a given note, horn tone can also be extremely flexible, and should be changed to suit the composer/work in question, i.e. Bruckner WAY different than Rossini:) Sort of stacking the deck there, but also there is a lot of musical value to changing color within a phrase or even on a long note the way a fine singer would. Think of all of the different vowel shadings there are in vocalization; and while on the topic, why shouldn't we horn players make the full palette of consonants, voiced and unvoiced, an integral part of our articulation? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Phrasing, was changing tone color
Wendell, I have read your article and have looked at your video. I do thank you for your helping us. I don't think I have got it, though I think I know what you mean by arsis and thesis, which are new to me. It's Greek to me :-). For example when I perform America the Beautiful, I sing or play it as I would say it. That means that the pick-up notes O and for in O beautiful for spacious skies, are not emphasized, as I think I have heard teachers say. However, these are not just notes in the rhythm, but I think and perform them as leading into the following notes, which have more emphasis. Maybe that's what you mean, and I do get it. I have heard the next phrase performed as For amber waves OF grain. That's unmusical to me, though the of is the highest note. Herb Foster - Original Message From: Wendell Rider [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 2:09:09 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Re: Phrasing, was changing tone color On Apr 18, 2008, at 10:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: message: 10 date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:48:15 -0700 (PDT) from: Herbert Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: Re: [Hornlist] Changing tone color As well as being a fine teacher, Douglas is a singer, and he adds that perspective to his teaching. This brings up a question. We are taught not to de-emphasize pick- up notes, if not to emphasize them. However, when I am singing, pick-up notes are usually on weak syllables. How do I sing on the horn with these seemingly contradictory directions? Herb Foster Hi Herb, I'm not sure what you mean by weak syllables, so maybe this won't help, but pick-up notes and other weak beats are the most expressive notes in music. That is where all expression begins. This was part of what I was writing about in my article in the February Horn Call, if you have it, and what I demonstrated on the video that is now sitting on my web site. This goes back to the ancient Greeks and their poetry. When you set a piece or phrase in motion it is the weak beats or off beats or the weak parts of beats that control the space between the stronger or more static down beats. Its like starting to move your feet when you walk, run or dance. The first move you make sets the tempo for when the feet will come down again. Rhythm comes from what is in between the beats. The pick-up note sets the whole phrase in motion. Don't worry about syllables, if I catch your meaning. Get into the flow, which is controlled by the arsis, or weak beats, that come between the static, or thesis, beats. Syllables are parts of words that contain vowels. Its just a definition. How the syllables of music work together is phrasing and musicality. Great singers do the same thing that all great musicians do, and that is to phrase with the weak beats. Sincerely, Wendell Rider For information about my book, Real World Horn Playing, the DVDs and Regular and Internet Horn Lessons go to my website: http:// www.wendellworld.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Annoying Sounds
I have the same problem with Kopprasch. The somber question is: How does hot glue react to oil? You DO oil the shaft at that end don't you? Herb Foster - Original Message From: Larry Jellison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 3:30:21 AM Subject: [Hornlist] Annoying Sounds Luke wrote: I tried some Viton, durometer 75, [for bumpers] and it is too hard, causing an annoying sound when playing Kopprasch. I quit playing Kopprasch several years ago because I thought the sounds coming out of my horn were annoying, too. Never thought of blaming the bumpers. More somberly, has there ever been a discussion on this list of bumpers? Bumpers need to allow quiet valve action, not cause a bounce, yet consistently stop at the same location over a long period of time (years, hopefully). I have been thinking of trying glue from a hot glue gun, applying the hot glue directly to the bumper location-- should make a perfect fit, then the excess would be trimmed with a razor blade. The hot glue comes in varying grades of hardness Larry Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] what shoe for after beats?
Hey, at least it's north of South Endwell. In these parts North Bruswick is south of New Brunswick. We also have Essex, Wessex, Sussex, but no Nosex. I think it went the way of the Shakers. Herb Foster - Original Message From: Jay Kosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2008 8:56:20 AM Subject: [Hornlist] what shoe for after beats? hey! can this 'shoe' thing help with Soosa after beats? and what about those walst / pokka songs? where can i by top clas ones reel cheep - and how to get the rite siz? jay kosta endwell ny (a little north of south endwell, and right of east endwell) across the creek from the closed down clam mill - it got outsourced . ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] lead / lead
Aw, c'mon. I've heard jigs played on pipes where you just couldn't keep your feet still, wanting to dance. The French horn is the most beautiful instrument, but it doesn't do that. Herb Foster - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2008 6:10:50 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] lead / lead In a message dated 02/02/2008 21:48:58 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: or as the Brits do, they call it a leader pipe I've never heard it called that over here - we usually call it a mouthpipe (as opposed to a bagpipe - and let's face it, everybody's opposed to the bagpipe) Cheers, Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Caught by the Horns by Burton Hardin
Yes, the last note goes up to Bb above the staff, but is not necessary. It's a fun piece for the horns, but the band accompaniment isn't the best. There is also an arrangement for brass quintet featuring the horn, of course. I played it at a gig last weekend. I'm beginning to learn to swing. Herb Foster - Original Message From: Jay Kosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 11:05:33 AM Subject: [Hornlist] Caught by the Horns by Burton Hardin This site seems to have it - http://www.emersonhorneditions.com/index_files/Page581.htm I did a google search using 'hardin caught horns' I bought this piece several years ago for use in my community band - it is a fun piece for the horns and is not difficult for an amateur group, my guess is it's about Grade 3. It needs at least 3 decent horn players, and is written for 4. I think the 1st part goes to Bb above the staff at least once. The style combines some Mozart, with swing and syncopation. Jay Kosta Endwell NY ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Tuning of a double horn
No, the lips do not decouple the body from the horn. Consider that the lips interact with the sound wave reflected from the bell. They don't just buzz. In the same way, the lips interact with the resonances of the air cavities of the mouth, pharynx, etc. That is, there are pushes and pulls on the lips from both sides. What goes on on one side of the embouchure affects the other side. That's why the vowel you form affects the horn sound. Since my voice timbre is created by these resonances, and my voice sounds different from yours, so my horn sound differs. Here's an experiment. Sing a note in a relaxed manner. Now tense just your shoulders. The sound changes. The same thing happens with the horn. Herb Foster, research engineer - Original Message From: Bill Gross [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 8:36:12 AM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Tuning of a double horn I am curious about the contribution to the horn sound the person playing has on it? Assuming equal mastery of the instrument, what influence of the physical structure of the players head has on final sound. Beyond the lips, the sinus cavities, etc. and connected to the horn. Do the lips (embouchure) decouple the rest of the body from the horn? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Horn for 11 Year Old
Why? It must have been a long time since you heard a beginning clarinetist squawk. Better the sick cow sound of a beginning hornist. Herb Foster - Original Message From: Jeremy Cucco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 3:36:57 PM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Horn for 11 Year Old For what it's worth, my 2.5 year old really likes my Yamaha 321 single Bb. Though it's a bit big for him at the moment, he doesn't have a problem filling it up. The real question is, why would I torture my son by letting him wander down a path of frustration and missed notes by letting him even touch my horn versus my wife's clarinet... Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Slur - or phrase marking?
That's what I always thought, but I've had a well known teacher say it's always a slur. The piece in question was Pavanne For a Dead Princess. Herb Foster - Original Message From: Paul Mansur [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 9:31:21 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Slur - or phrase marking? In a word, you judge from the context. There are all sorts of clues, tempo, style markings, etc. Paul Mansur On Jan 14, 2008, at 5:26 AM, Graham Jarvis wrote: Hi I can't believe I've ben playing the horn for as long as I have without having cleared this question up but better late than never. How do I know whether a curved line over (or below) a series of denotes is meant to denote a slur (notes connected without tonguing) or a phrase-mark (notes connected musically but not ruling out tongued articulation between notes)? The issue arose when I was looking at the Concone studies which I recently bought. But thinking back over rcent orchestra rehearsals I can remember times when I've made decisions based in instinct rather than theory. Are there rules out there? Regards, Graham -- Jag använder gratisversionen av SPAMfighter för privata användare. 2333 spam har blivit blockerade hittills. Betalande användare har inte detta meddelande i sin e-post. Hämta gratis SPAMfighter här: http://www.spamfighter.com/lsv ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/ options/horn/p_mansur1%40comcast.net ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] orchestral Sousa
Don't forget that Sousa started out writing marches for marching--USMC, I believe. Our band director tells the story, perhaps apocryphal, that when Sousa toured Germany, he played arrangements of good German music. When he played the first piece, he got enthusiastic applause. Then someone shouted Play zee Vashington Post! He played that as an encore. This happened after every scheduled piece. This was when The Washington Post was very popular here and overseas. It was even played by dance bands for dancing (2 step). By the way, this march was composed for that newspaper in Washington, DC, which was running an essay contest to boost its circulation. Herb Foster - Original Message From: Steve Tarter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 7:03:21 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] orchestral Sousa I don't think that any Sousa march should be played by an orchestra. You can't march to it. Gary That is on interesting thought, considering that Sousa's band almost never marched... they played his toe-tapping make you want to march marches in concert settings where no one (band or audience) would be marching. ---Steve Tarter--- Tokyo, Japan ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Humperdink Evening Prayer from Hansel Und Gretal
Yes, it does thicken the sound. I have the recording and I do enjoy it, but I prefer the Evening Prayer as composed. It is open and transparent (whatever that means). Our tastes vary. Vive la difference! Herb Foster - Original Message From: BVD Press [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 12:15:29 PM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Humperdink Evening Prayer from Hansel Und Gretal After reading everything below, I assume you have an opinion of the Hansel and Gretel recorded by the Vienna Horns found here: http://poperepair.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=70zenid=47e96d53b622a1e532e88d14f4aad58b Has it been destroyed, is it in the Simpson style, did it lose its' octavations or thicken the sound too much? Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Humperdink Evening Prayer from Hansel Und Gretal
I tend to agree with Hans on this one, though not as adamantly. Changing the sound source does alter the character of the music, and it may wind up being different music. For example, while I dislike playing Sousa intensely, I have yet to hear a symphony orchestra do justice to a Sousa march, which should make your feet want to march. Only a band gives it the right character. An orchestra I play in played the St. Louis Blues. It was awful. Better a rock band should play Liebestod from Tristan und Isolde. Please tell me it hasn't been done. I have the same problem with arrangements for horn choirs. They're fun to play, but not for public performance. Only horn players really enjoy them. Herb Foster --- BVD Press [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All, Wouldn´t a large brass ensemble ruin the intimate character of the Evening Prayer ? Is there no self restriction left any more ? Why not arranging a Joseph Haydn Stringquartett for a Tuba Octet, because it is a SOO GREAT PIECE Are you going crazy perhaps ??? Or Schuberts Ave Maria for big band ??? RIDICULOUS I see no reason why a great piece of literature should not be arranged for another instrumentation as long as it is played in the correct style. As a tuba player, I ask if you have heard some recordings of Tuba Ensembles playing pieces form the classical era? I am guessing the answer is no. Some are quite outstanding. If you have not heard any, find some and listen because I think you will be amazed. If you are wondering, I borrow most of the Horn literature for Tuba but hand muting is quite difficult! BTW, I am currently working on arranging a bunch of Mozart string quartets for Clarinet Quartet and I think they will turn out quite well! I am assuming you would have a major objection to this as well, but your stance seems awfully short sighted and close minded. It is all music after all and should be enjoyed by all regardless of the medium. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: lacquer
Other possibilities are clear packaging tape and nail polish or spray lacquer. I have used all successfully. The down side is that you have to re-do it monthly. However, they are easy to remove and reapply. If the horn has scratched lacquer, the lacquer should be removed because the hand acids get in the cracks and pits and the horn comes down with brasspox. I know. Then you certainly can't relacquer or plate because the buffing would remove too much metal, as mentioned in other posts. Playing off the leg puts more wear on the area in the bell that supports the weight. Also on the thumb knuckle, in my case. I have taken to wearing a piece of moleskin on my knuckle. Herb Foster --- Daniel B. Hrdy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a difficult time with unlacquered horns because my hands sweat so much. I tried a listmember's suggestion of putting clear shelf paper inside the bell. It worked OK in terms of sound, but I didn't like the feel or look. It ended up being an excuse to buy a new (lacquered) horn. Dan ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] RE: Horn Digest, Vol 60, Issue 17
A cylindrical tube, closed at one end (lips) and open at the other (bell), will play the odd harmonics: 1 Fundamental C 3 G an octave and a half above that 7 a flat Bb over an octave above that 9 the D above that . . . If you pretend that the 7th harmonic is the 8th and that it's middle C, then it's more or less in tune from there on up. This explains your observations. Brass instruments defeat this problem by having a conical section and/or a bell that shorten the effective acoustic length of the tubing at low frequencies. Note that the trumpet, which does not have a conical section, has an out of tune fundamental. Cabbage demonstrates all this very effectively. I found this out in high school when I demonstrated the harmonic series on the horn in physics lab. When I drew the nodes and antinodes on the blackboard (real slate in those days), I discovered to my horror that it didn't come out to the harmonic series. You know how embarrassed adolescents get; I was glad my girl friend wasn't there. Herb Foster --- King, Andrew D [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is my hose out of tune? I commute an hour and 15 minutes each way to work every day. Recently, I cut a piece of hose to be pitched in F. Now on my way to work I can warm-up and do a series of slurring and tonguing exercises on the hose horn. It has changed my life for the better. I have a question for anyone who understands the physics of this. For some reason, my hose is badly out of tune. The interval between the c's (from the bass clef C to middle C and to the treble clef C) is very badly out of tune. It is naturally closer to a minor ninth than an octave without lipping it in tune (which is substantially more difficult on the hose than my horn). Why would this be? I assumed that any pipe would naturally play octaves that are in tune with themselves. Andy ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Omm-Pahs Practice
Well, I, for one, find 32 straight measures of 6/8 of pah pahpah... physically painful. This also is not delicate playing as in a waltz, not with trumpets and trombones blaring in one's ears--who hears the chord changes? D in the staff becomes a high note. The name Sousa has become a dirty word to me. He was a great craftsman and entertainer, flamebait but not a great composer. Heard one, you heard them all. /flamebait That being said, the only thing worse than playing a Sousa march in a band is playing a Sousa march in an orchestra. The Boston Pops notwithstanding, I don't know if it can be done. Most of the arrangements are pitiful, gratuitously putting in stingers where they don't belong, etc. Grumpily, Herb Foster --- Bill Gross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My college room mate played tuba and kept it up until an infection took his hearing. He told me that he had been a member of the local municipal band and a community symphony. His missed the symphony much more than the band. Maybe there is a good reason to the bias? -Original Message- [ . . .] So I have to wonder...is the bias against band music in general? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Thursday humor: Halleluja Chorus
Hmm, could use a little more pep! Herb Foster --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... And here is how it should be done! _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSVn2ymmMZY_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSVn2ymmMZY) Cheers, Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] 2nd part of my India-Nepal trip
Hans, I really enjoy the description of your travels. It's the best travelogue I have read. Keep it up. You should publish. Herb Foster --- hans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Landel, yes I was too busy preparing the next trip - I had just 8 days at home to leave for Bangkok again - so there was no time to prepare the additional report. I thought doing it from my hotel room in Bangkok, where I had plenty time during the days as the Walkuere rehearsals were at night - btw I conducted two full orchestra rehearsals worked on the beginnings of allk three acts the finales, a great experience for me, which will be repeated next year in November while preparing Siegfried there I shall conduct all sectional rehearsals perhaps the one or the other orchestra rehearsal. snip... Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] C series mouthpieces
Anything you can do I can do better. Unless I pout, my mouth, when relaxed, is a thin line, so welcome to the thin crowd. Wendell, as usual gave a good answer. He admits to having had issues with his thick lips, so everyone's got problems. The conventional answer of thin lips = small diameter, wide rim just doesn't take into account the more important parameters: mouth and muscle structure. I am having more success with a larger diameter mouthpiece with a narrow rim. For example, I find I can move around successfully with a Hans Pizka cookie cutter. One reason is that if I set on the edge of the red of the lower lip with a wide rim mouthpiece, the pressure is on the sharp edge of the lower teeth. Not much support there! I have also had some success with a Bach 3, though I set below the line on the lower lip. I also find that I cannot move air through a small diameter mouthpiece. Maybe some of the young pros can, but I'm neither. Good luck, Herb Foster --- Christopher Fitzhugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Wendell, Always enjoy your posts and your instruction. A true asset to the horn community. Question: What if you are the very thin lipped type? How do accomplished teachers such as yourself determine thick vs. thin lipped individuals? Is there a minimum inner diameter that none should pass regardless of lip composition? The gamut of mouthpieces out there seem to reside between 17 and 17.5mm. Is it dangerous to go smaller for even the thin lipped crowd (such as 16.5 on many Bach mouthpieces or the Schilke 27 or 28)? Also mentioning rims, what is your opinion on thin rims vs. the cushion variety when it comes to preventing maladies such as dystonia? Thanks in advance, Chris Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Kruspe question
I would doubt that any horns were made in Germany in 1942 for any purpose: brass was a critical material. Does anyone know for sure? In fact, I'm still surprised that horns were made in the US in 1945. My first horn was a King, brand new, in 1945. It was the Kruspe copy with the upside down change valve. That was an awkward change valve. To me it was at least as awkward as the Schmidt piston change valve. Herb Foster --- Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Dawn McCandless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just obtained an old Single Kruspe horn. Where would one find any serial numbers? There is a 16 on the bottom of the middle valve cap. Is that it? The horn is brass, has string rotors and says: EDKRUSPE, ERFURT and Made in Germany. It was the previous owners fathers horn and he is 85 now and they guess the horn is about 65 years old. That puts it about 1942 from those estimates. It's not in perfect condition and, unfortunately, has hints of red rot. Couple dings. The keys were clacky, but quieted down with thick key oil. Before oiling the rotors I pulled the 3 slides and they did pop when pulled out. It has a wonderful tone. Guess despite it's appearance and old age problems it isn't dead yet! Oh, I do have another question. How did they consider these single horns back then? Was it made as a student horn as they tell people single horns are now a days (at least here in the states... ). Or, is it considered a normal horn despite the fact it is a single horn in F? Dawn Marie ___ The serial # most likely will be found on the bridge forming the seat for the paddle axle bearings. Try a look below the paddles. If 1942 would be true, it hardly would have been exported to the USA as a new item. German F horns could be had in simple versions intended for students or fully pro versions with full nickel silver trim. If 1942 would be true, then the most likely purpose would have been as a German military band instrument. I very much would like a thorough photo documentation of this instrument in 300dpi jpg or pdf formats: full front and back, technical details, and readable shots of all engravings. All photos rather mimicking blueprints rather than expressing artistic photography. Background: as little and as neutral as possible. For security reasons neither ownership nor photography is credited. My project of presenting catalogue scans and brass instruments photos already holds a number of Kruspe instruments. The index may be found here: http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/YorkMasterPublicPhotosIII/files/ Contributions of material for the project are most welcome! Klaus Smedegaard Bjerre in Denmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] tuners?
The Korg CA-10 works very well, responds rapidly, and picks up the low range. Not all do. I also use an Ibanez MU30. It's response is not so fast, and it does not pick up the lowest notes. However, it also has a good metronome with several functions, so I put it in my mute case. Both are small and reasonably priced. Herb Foster --- Mark Syslo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone have a hand-held tuner they really like? Mark Syslo ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
[Hornlist] Scoring for Mozart's Requiem
Yesterday I heard a wonderful concert that included the Mozart Requiem. It used Levin's modification of Suessmayr's completion. I don't want to go into that controversy. My question has to do with the scoring. It was scored for strings, 2 clarinets, 2 bassoons, 2 trumpets, 3 trombones (including alto trombone), and timpani. No oboes, flutes or horns. Was it Levin, Suessmayr or Mozart who left out the oboes and horns, and why? There were oboes, flutes and horns in other pieces on the program. Herb Foster __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Website advice please! (HR)
You have two problems here: 1. The URL doesn't work. 2. It's so long that I had to paste it together. Use www.tinyurl.com to get an emailable address. Good luck, Herb Foster --- Simon Varnam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Meister Werksta¨tte : Horn Restoration and Repairs I've been asked to make an English version of a website for a Japanese friend of mine, Mr Etsuro Honda. If you use a Yamaha triple he may well have made it. Now he has his own shop, Meister Werksta¨tte, in Hamamatsu, Japan where he repairs and restores horns, especially old ones. The main purpose of the English version of the site is to enable foreign customers to make contact with Mr Honda, who is very modest about his language skills. I have cobbled together a website by using his original Japanese site and pasting rather stilted English translations over the Japanese text. I would be very glad to hear your comments regarding all aspects of the site, horn related and otherwise. I am a complete beginner using the iWeb software supplied with my DotMac account, so please don't hesitate to point out even the most obvious blunders, except the misspelling of Kruspe, which I cannot change, (yet). The top page, invites you to return to the Japanese page or see the work in progress. If you have the time and the inclination please choose the latter. Your advice will be much appreciated. http://web.mac.com/ogawa_family/iWeb/Meister%20Werkstatte/ English%20Top.html gratefully yours, Simon Varnam ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Geyer wrap, anyone?
As has been pointed out, the wrap has little, if anything, to do with the playing qualities of the horn, except that Knopf-Geyer horns tend to have smaller bell throats, but not always. That being said, there are some differences (but not always) in ergonomics. For example, I find the thumb throw awkward in many Geyer horns because of the rocker-arm motion. However, the Finke Brendan with its pushrod has the nicest thumb action I have played. Since the Knopf-Geyer wrap has the change valve on the far side, these horns tend to have longer tuning slides. This is very handy when you play in ensembles with different tuning centers and in venues with different temperatures. These are generalities, however, and the playing qualities of the individual horn, whatever the wrap, trumps these considerations. Herb Foster --- Valerie WELLS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Three Q's if anyone cares to answer, please. (1) If you play a Geyer wrap horn, what do you like about it? (2) If you previously owned a Geyer wrap horn, but don't now, could you please tell me why what you replaced it with? (3) If you can objectively compare a Geyer wrap to a Kruspe wrap based upon your own personal experiences, could you please tell me about it? Thanks in advance. ~Valerie ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] RE: New York Phil Opening Night, R rated review
Vivaldi--wasn't he the guy who wrote the same piece a thousand times? Herb Foster --- David Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valerie WELLS wrote: There's nothing more boring than a string orchestra. Valerie except for a string orchestra playing anything by Vivaldi. Can't get enough of his op.3 #10 - neither could J.S. Bach. David Goldberg ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Songs for Medium Voice, Horn, and Piano
That's equivalent to asking if anyone knows of any symphonies that use horns. You could start with Schubert lieder. Milan Yancich published a book of horn solos arranged from songs. See http://www.windmusicpublications.com/ Herb Foster --- M. Elizabeth Fleming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, dear list-readers! I was wondering if anyone knows of any songs for Medium (or Medium-High or Medium-Low; Baritone) Voice, Horn and Piano? Any era will do just fine. Thanks so much! Elizabeth F. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] RE: Embouchure Frustrations
Valerie, I'm speaking from first-hand experience here, using the book. As I did the prescribed exercises, my high range suffered with no speakies. One size does not fit all. I'm not putting down the method, it just doesn't work for all. For you it does. Great! Herb Foster --- Valerie WELLS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure that Smiley's method works for many and solves high range problems. However, not for all, especially, I think, for those with very thin lips. The harder skin on the edge of the lips doesn't vibrate so well, and you get no speakies. Thank you for your comment, Herb. Meaning no disrespect, but your response is a perfect example of the most common misconception I've seen among horn players about Jeff Smiley's Balanced Embouchure development system (BE). BE is NOT a prescribed embouchure setting requiring the harder skin on the outer edges of the lips to aproximate vibrate. Some take a quick glance at Smiley's website assume that because rolling in exercises are part of BE, it's the whole program. Rolling in exercises are only part of the big picture. The big picture also includes rolling out, tonguing on the lips, snaps, zips, rips, lip slurs other techniques. These techniques are tools incorporated into a system that guides the student in developing their own balanced embouchure which will speak efficiently in all registers regardless of the thickness of the lips. Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Embouchure frestrations
I'm sure that Smiley's method works for many and solves high range problems. However, not for all, especially, I think, for those with very thin lips. The harder skin on the edge of the lips doesn't vibrate so well, and you get no speakies. Herb Foster --- Valerie WELLS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeremy, I'd like to recommend you check out Jeff Smiley's book, The Balanced Embouchure, for help with your embouchure frustrations. His simple little exercises lifted me out of the range rut I was stuck in for several years. He's a trumpet teacher whose program [called BE] has helped countless numbers of brass players overcome difficult embouchure challenges. His website has many unsolicited testimonials from both amateur professional musicians from all over the world who have benefitted. Valerie, balanced embouchure student ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Milan Yancich
Whistle how? Any mouthpiece will whistle if you plug the rim with your palm and blow across the other end. How's the project? I'm waiting for the DVD AND the book. Herb Foster --- Wendell Rider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Once when I asked him if there would be a problem with how far the MY9 mouthpiece went into the leadpipe receiver- it had a small shank and went in quite far- he said with a smile, Well, it does make the high register easier, doesn't it? He also showed me how to get a mouthpiece to whistle and claimed that Carl (Geyer) always said that a good mouthpiece should whistle. ... Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] RE: stopped horn
Barry Tuckwell showed me some Bb stopped fingerings. Each horn varies, though. On my horn 4th space E is flat anyway on the F side, and stopped F2 is flatter. Bb23 works well, being sharper than the open F note. Herb Foster --- Reba McLaurin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually had a teacher that wanted me to play on the B flat side for stopping some above third space c. She said some of the harmonics up there were better in tune on the B flat side...It was mostly for f sharps and g's I think. I would never use the B flat side for the real real real low stuff though. Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidscs=bz ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] RE: stopped horn
I should have just written for the last sentence, Bb23 works well, being sharper. Herb Foster --- Herbert Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry Tuckwell showed me some Bb stopped fingerings. Each horn varies, though. On my horn 4th space E is flat anyway on the F side, and stopped F2 is flatter. Bb23 works well, being sharper than the open F note. Herb Foster --- Reba McLaurin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually had a teacher that wanted me to play on the B flat side for stopping some above third space c. She said some of the harmonics up there were better in tune on the B flat side...It was mostly for f sharps and g's I think. I would never use the B flat side for the real real real low stuff though. Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidscs=bz ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] 9 o'clock hole
Then there's the idiot (me) that drops his mute on your horn. Fortunately my DePolis mute is soft, and the repair only cost me $15. Herb Foster --- G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've always been particularly nervous about leaving my horn sitting on a chair; that probably comes from laying asphalt all summer to earn enough money to buy my first horn out of high school. I have a very simple rule for myself...if it's not in your face, it goes in the case. Or at least in your hands. I don't think there is anything in the world that makes me more nervous than seeing several thousand dollars worth of instrument sitting on a chair. Seems that string players are notorious for doing that. After all...it's the person that knocks it off the chair that will get stuck with the repair bill, not the idiot that left it there in the first place ;p Gary Get Firefox!!http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/central.html ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Mother Goose Suite - Mute Notation
Somewhere before that you'll find Mettez les sourdines, which means put the mute in. Otez les sourdines means take it out. Herb Foster --- Bill Gross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The group I am with just started work on the Mother Goose Suite. We need help with the notation Otez les sourdines. Best we can figure sourdines is a muted passage, san soordines is un-muted. Just don't have a clue on the other. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Embouchure - lips- green grass
Good mixed metaphor. The point of my remarks was that we all have our issues and that one size does not fit all. What works for you may not work for me and vice versa. I do know that thick lips are not a barrier to success--consider Louis Armstrong. Now who had very thin lips? Herb Foster Herb Foster --- Larry Jellison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Herb Foster and Loren Meyhew wrote about the problems of thin lips. The grass on the other side of the fence, the land of thick lips, isn't a walk in the park either (sorry for mixed metaphors). While thick lips might help with tone, the down side is that thick lips swell such that the embouchure position changes during playing-- where to aim with the embouchure to successfully hit notes does change depending on how long one has been playing. High notes are a struggle because the muscular collapsing of the embouchure orifice is difficult through that greater amount of soft flesh. Thick lipped players also need larger diameter mouthpieces that makes high horn playing more difficult. Anyway, I notice that thin lipped players don't have as much facial grimace as do thick lipped players. One saving grace of growing old (and I have been growing at this for quite some time), is that while the waistline increases, the lips thin out. Having thick lips is like having fat feet. Larry Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Embouchure
You got it right about thin lips, Loren. Someone I know (me) has less than 1/8 inch (3mm) vertical distance between the red edges of the upper and lower lips. Einsetzen or rolling in are not an option and cause things like no speakies. I have found that Wendell Rider's buzzy buzz exercise on his website is valuable to get the right setting. It cured my no speakie problem. Herb Foster --- Loren Mayhew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A couple of other important points I forgot to make in my last append on this subject. 1a. It is important in your embouchure set that the fleshy part of your lips do the vibrating. This makes for a full rich-bodied sound with less effort simply because the fleshy parts vibrate easier than the outer skin parts. People with fat lips actually have an advantage in playing the horn. People with thin lips, like me, should curl the lips outward as necessary to expose the fleshy part to do the vibrating. For us thin lippers, this is an additional muscle toning that we must develop. 1b. The lips should be set on the mpc so that the lower lip takes most of the pressure leaving the upper lip to do most of the vibrating. This greatly helps endurance and control, especially in the upper registers. Loren Mayhew \@() Finke Horns mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mayhews.us/CI/Finke 011 1 (520) 289-0700 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] re: 4th of July D.C. Concert
All right, Curmudgeon (takes one to know one), I will tell you that the Star Spangled Banner is unsingable--by untrained singers. The point is that its tessitura should be put in the middle of the average singer's range--C to C. The high note is too high, whereas the low note in Silent Night can be sung, though not loudly. In addition, many arrangements have a high tessitura. However, any half trained singer should have no trouble. So much for celebs. Herb Foster --- Howard Sanner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a real rarity: a D.C. native. It used to be that the Fourth of July concert on the Mall (we hadn't aggrandized it to National Mall in those days) was just what Larry Jellison suggests: a celebration of the nation. The performances were by one or another service band, with one of the service choruses, and maybe a name soloist. Music was the typical patriotic fare. Then there were fireworks. I attended many of them with my parents. The festivities started around dinner time. People would come to the Mall and have a picnic dinner, then watch the fireworks. Now it's an all-day extravaganza featuring performers and music that is, IMHO, inappropriate to the occasion. What does the end of the 1812 Overture have to do with Independence Day? Never mind singers who can't get through the national anthem. Don't tell me the national anthem is unsingable owing to its range. It covers an octave and a fifth. Silent Night, which I've never heard anyone claim wasn't singable, has a range of an octave and a fourth (2nd note of peace down to last note of song), a major second less. Howard the C stands for Curmudgeon Sanner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] overseas transport IMPORTANT
I should think that removing the valve slides would help. You could wrap them and put them with your clothes. While the slides are not as heavy as the valves, they hang out there a distance from the braces and would put a big load on them during a bump. Herb Foster --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/30/2007 1:50:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello, more important than all the outside packing is it, to prevent the heavier valve section to rip off the body of the horn. To do so, you place a 4 x 2 piece of 0,5 thick moss rubber or other semi-hard semi-soft piece between lower side of the valve section the tuning slide on the back of the horn, some other wrapping material (airbubble sheet = usual packing mterial for fragile things) where you can squeeze it between horn case inside on top of the horn the sides of the bell. -- Hans's advice is invaluable. You must suspend the valve section. Then prevent other moving around and bumping into things or the case. Make sure the latches cannot come undone easily, and wrap it with a luggage strap. .. Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] mouthpiece kit
It's the same virus that causes chicken pox. When you get chicken pox, the virus settles in the nerve endings. When stressed, e.g. metal sensitivity or sun, the cold sore erupts. Herb Foster, Purveyor of Useless Information --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but if you have an allegy to a metal then it can cause an eruption which can then become a site for a herpes eruption. Switching to a delrin rim or having your mouthpiece or rim gold plated can help reduce cold sores immensely. Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited -Original Message- From: Jerry Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Horn List horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 8:36 am Subject: Re: [Hornlist] mouthpiece kit sheldon kirshner wrote: Chris Leuba, when he was principal with the CSO told me he used to get cold sores from his mouthpiece so he replaced his rim with one of plastic of some sort--perhaps it was Teflon, but I think it was pre-teflon--perhaps it was nylon--which was modeled after his metal rim. He said he was satisfied with it, and no longer had trouble with cold sores. Interesting. Cold sores are caused by a herpes simplex virus, aren't hey? __ ost: horn@music.memphis.edu nsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/brassartsunlim%40aol.com AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Looking for Laskey Mouthpieces
If they have them. Last time I was up there, they were out. Herb Foster --- Nicholas Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that Dillon music has them in stock for about $20 less than ordering them new from Laskey himself. - Original Message From: Alex Camphouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 1:30:06 PM Subject: [Hornlist] Looking for Laskey Mouthpieces Hello horn world, IÃÎ looking for a Laskey 775G and/or 80G. Anyone have one to sell (used)? Thanks. Alex Camphouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/frenchorngeek%40yahoo.com Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] the matchstick trick and the acousticoil
You can get the effect of the Accousticoil for free by wrapping some thin insulated wire around a thick pencil. Make a loose spiral about 1 inch in length. I haven't tried an Accousticoil, but he wire spiral does have an effect. Herb Foster --- Carter, Jeffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have recently changed horns, and the one I purchased came with one in it. I can tell you that they do make a difference. I found out that there had been one placed in the first valve slide (Bb side) in order to secure the high Bb I would suppose (not that it needed it). I can't imagine any other reason. I had some fellow DMA students and my teacher listen to me in a very large and medium room, simulating recital and concert stages. The consensus was that the device seemed to deaden the sound (in the audience) while making the note seem more secure at the source. We then spent far too much time trying it in every possible location. It was extremely consistent. It always seemed to deaden the sound that the audience hears while making the note seem tighter. ALL THAT TO SAY. It could be great, it could really suck...depending on the horn and player. I personally didn't like it on my instrument, and to be honest, thought it played much better without the little plastic sleeve in there (esp the high Bb). But, it is only 35 or so dollars...worth a try if you are interested I would say. Jeff Carter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of joey horn guy Sent: Mon 6/4/2007 10:43 PM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] the matchstick trick and the acousticoil Speaking of the matchstick trick...I had a chance to try the 'acousticoil' several years back, and I have to admit it did seem to help center the notes and make some partials more secure. Any thoughts on this product? - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/jeffrey.carter%40ttu.edu ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com ___ You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_html.html ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Ear overtones
You're close: the brain has fundamentals. That is, if you listen to the harmonics of a note that is missing the fundamental, you hear the fundamental anyway. The brain has a way of supplying missing information. Do you ever notice the blind spot in each eye? They're there. Herb Foster --- Larry Jellison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard Hirsh wrote: Actually the human ear is very non-linear... Our ears definitely do NOT create harmonic overtones. The wave patterns inside the cochleus are extremely non-linear. _ My left ear tinnitus, with a fundamental of 4000 Hz, seems to have overtones. Plus, those listening to an interval of a fifth sometimes claim to be able to hear the third fall in. Maybe the brain and not the physical ear is causing these extra tones, but we seem to hear them. Maybe the brain has overtones! Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] tuning
While I basically agree with you, I will play Devil's Advocate (as if we didn't have enough lawyers). The human being is the animal that can get used to anything. As a result, many people find even temperament right and just temperament wrong. So these people's bodies accept only even tempered tuning, probably at the expense of higher stress levels. I once quit a high level community chorus partly because the director insisted on even tempered thirds. I didn't care for the stress. She, by the way, had perfect pitch, which defined for her where the pitch of a given note should be, regardless of the key. Herb Foster --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Physically, we don't really have a choice about intonation. Our ears create overtones based on whole number multiples of whatever frequency is being sounded. We can't escape that. This was understood as far back as the ancient Greeks. That's why an in-tune interval is so satisfying. Our bodies are not constructed to be able to accept tempered tuning! - Steve Mumford ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] C#--Db ?
I don't (Bah Humbug!). There's nothing like a chord that locks in so there are no beats. Note that Bach did NOT write for even temperament. He wrote for Well Temperament, which is between just and even temperament. Herb Foster --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I'm with Bach--I like tempered pitch. Bill Klingelhoffer ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Used horns in NYC
There's Dillon Music, http://www.dillonmusic.com/, in Woodbridge, NJ, not far from NYC. They know brass and horns, and I send students and section mates there. Herb Foster --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (not joke-related) I have a niece who lives in NYC and would like to return to horn playing. I would appreciate receiving some helpful hints about where/how to look for used, playable horns in NYC. gotta go, Cabbage ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] RE: On Edge
And vinegar? Herb Foster --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... *** I always try to write contributions that offer good, salad information. Those who read my words carefully will discover that they are full of pith. Gotta go, Cabbage ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidscs=bz ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Spit valve problem: Ideas?
Question: How is duct tape like the Force: Answer: They both have a dark side and a light side, and both hold the universe together. Use the Duct Tape, Luke! Herb Foster --- Carlisle Landel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Finally, remember Duct Tape, which is of course the major force holding the universe together! ;-) (With apologies to non-US readers who perhaps don't know of this miracle substance, or know it by another name.) Carlisle __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: works for horn and wind ensemble
Well, that's because they were a bunch of peasants. Herb Foster, who has a dictionary in every room --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Maslanka wrote a concerto for 2 horns and hind ensemble. When I first joined a hind ensemble they made me start with Doe, a deer, a female deer. ---Steve Tarter--- ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] music ghost writers
Some movie score composers do their own orchestrating, and others have the orchestrators do it. They work fairly closely with the directors, so ghost writers usually don't get into the act. Of course they may borrow some music. Composing movie music is an art in itself. Each cue is of a given length, and enhances the emotional impact. Herb Foster --- Per Ottar Gjerstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear List, I may be wrong about this, but I believe that most movie score writers make use of some sort of short score or condensed score when they do the actual writing of the music. These scores usually contains (more or less detailed) instructions for the orchestrators, who then use this short score when laying out the score that is actually used when playing and recording the music. Per Ottar Subject: RE: [Hornlist] music ghost writers G.Mahler, R.Strauss, Korngold ... Subject: [Hornlist] music ghost writers idiocy and lousy arrangers aside, Is there someone who is willing to concur without using names that some famous movie score composers 'owe' their fame to ghost writers? or is this a question that should not be asked in public? ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/potgjers%40frisurf.no ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] eBay: Horn Mouth pipes Brass Instrument Uncut 11/32(item 220106548410 end time May-05-07 10:54:22 PDT)
That's what I thought, too. There is a bend for around the bell. They did come from a music store. Remember, in the U.S. horn means anything you blow into, including harmonica. Herb Foster (I play horn, French horn) --- Carl Bangs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think they go with a baritone or tuba, or some other creation of the devil. Carl ... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard Peggy Brown Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 6:08 PM To: horn list memphis Subject: [Hornlist] eBay: Horn Mouth pipes Brass Instrument Uncut 11/32(item 220106548410 end time May-05-07 10:54:22 PDT) Really... what are these anyway... look like they belong on a motorcycle. LLB http://cgi.ebay.com/Horn-Mouth-pipes-Brass-Instrument-Uncut- 11-32_W0QQitemZ220106548410QQihZ012QQcategoryZ16215QQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka. de ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/billbamberg%40aol.com AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/bangs%40cet.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] Strap or Duck's Foot
Playing off-the-leg, like I do, balances the horn so that I need to pull with the left arm just for zero pressure. I find that even with something like a tennis grip or friction tape, that I tense up and use more pressure. With a strap, I can relax and use appropriate pressure. YMMV. Herb Foster --- Jeremy Cucco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm No mention of any tendency for excessive pressure. In fact, I play with very little pressure (especially since I have a crown on my front top tooth). I just find that the duck's foot *creates* pressure. I also just don't *like* the pinky hook. I just think there has to be a better way to balance the instrument than either the pinky hook (annoying) or duck's foot (pressure inducing). Cheers! Jeremy -- message: 20 date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 04:48:08 -0700 from: Melvin Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] subject: RE: [Hornlist] Strap or Duck's Foot Jeremy, the Clebsch Strap will not cure your tendency for excessive pressure-but the horn will feel secure and not slip AND your pinky will thank you! Melvin PS It needs to be installed by a skilled instrument repair person. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/777 - Release Date: 4/26/2007 3:23 PM ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] RE: Plating horns
Another solution to the green hands problem is just to cover the area the hands touch. I have used packaging tape and nail polish successfully. The area is so small that it does not affect the sound. Every month or so you remove and reapply. Herb Foster --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If considering silver plating just the bell of the horn, again consider the amount of material that will be removed in preparing the bell for plating. It used to be popular to plate the inside of the bell to strengthen the old metal and protect it from acid hands. If the buffing and preparation removes 5 thousandths (possibly more) and the silver plating adds half a thousandth, I think you have a net loss, but then I wasn't a math major. Look at the horns of your trumpet player friends and you'll see the effects of acid hands on silver plate. It makes deep pits. Raw brass tends to wear more evenly and not pit as badly. Something to consider if you have acidic hands. Green hand, or holes in the bell? - Steve Mumford ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] The Instrument Encyclopedia Database
Through the (missing) mouthpiece, of course. The lead pipe, with pigtail, goes ends at the bell, which would be in rain-catcher position. Those are Stölzel valves. Note that the lead pipe goes into the bottom of the 3rd valve. It must be an early peck horn. Herb Foster --- Leonard Peggy Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You play this how? http://www.si.umich.edu/chico/instrument/fullrecord.phtml?id=123 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Advice for a Noisy H179
Most of the (amateur) hornists I know do 1), but not 2). If anything, 2), oiling the shaft on the stop arm is more important: that's where the wear and noise occurs. Get a bottle with a needle, it's less messy. And yes, Ken, getting some light, valve oil in the rotors is also extremely important. It keeps the green carbonate monster away. Herb Foster --- Jay Kosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... The oil for the bearings must be placed in 2 places on each valve: 1) on the bearing end under the screw-on valve cap 2) a drop in the small gap between the 'swing-arm' and the bearing on the other end of the valve - use an eye-dropper, or an extension tube on the oil bottle. ... __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Playing with earplugs
When it comes to protecting the ears, there's no question: use the plugs. Every time your ears ring, you've done some damage. Etymotic http://www.etymotic.com sells musician's earplugs for $12. I use them. I also use them in noisy environments so I can hear speech more easily. They have a flat frequency response, so you can hear the music. They fit deeply in the ear canal, so you get less of the drumming you get with foam plugs. Buy the strap too. That way you can wear them around your neck and jam them in just before the loud stuff starts, e.g. a Sousa march. If I were a professional musician, I'd probably spend the hundreds of dollars for fitted earplugs. Herb Foster --- Anna Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I thought I would ask the lists' opinions on playing with earplugs. In my orchestra, my section has been put directly in front of the drumset and toms for Bernstein's Symphonic Dances from West Side Story. We are using reflectors for our sound, but nothing for our ears. We're also playing the musical soon, and I'm sure that in the pit, we'll not escape the percussion, either. I've recently purchased earplugs from the local guitar shop, since the percussion was starting to hurt my ears. They are the kind developed to reduce decibels, but not to the point where you cannot hear (I believe the rating is a 6dB reduction). I've found that I do not have problems hearing the orchestra while using them, but I don't hear pitch as well. (Could be because nobody else is in tune, either.) Have any of you used these before? If so, what did you do to adjust to the difference in sound and correct your pitch? Thanks, Anna - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Stuck in high range limbo
Depends what one means by old. I picked up the horn again 12 years ago and had a one octave range. Now I'm 74 and am comfortable with A above the staff in a concert situation (Brahms 2), as well as the fundamental E (Shosty 5). It gets better every year. This is for encouragement, not bragging. Yeah, it's a challenge, especially with limited practice time. Herb Foster --- Larry Jellison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The help comes from finding small improvements from a dozen different aspects of horn playing, including finding the optimal horn/mpc combination, experimenting with embouchure/facial muscle positioning and mpc placement, experimenting with chin-mouth-throat positions, applying breath support with balance between air pressure and air volume, practicing earnestly, daily, with much play time in the high range, applying mental concentration, and, praying. Apply all your inner resources, intelligence, and wiles to climb into the high range. Don't let old age become an excuse. Once those high notes start to squeak out, continue working to develop a full and free sounding tone. Don't give up and do have fun with the challenge. Larry We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Stuck in RANGE LIMBO?
Hey, if it works... One person's meat is another's poison. The flat chin is right for most, including me, but perhaps not all. I also have considerations about the tone you get with the rolled in lips. Unless you have heavy lips, the tone might be thin and harsh. Record yourself in a hall. Once you have found your high range, you could find yourself becoming more conventional. I'm guessing that Farkas, being an experimentalist, probably tried this technique, but found that it didn't work for him. Good luck on your lonely quest. You won't get much agreement. Been there, done that. Herb Foster --- Valerie WELLS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dropped out of music after my sophomore year in college 34 years ago, frustrated that I hadn't developed the upper range I needed. When I retired from nursing came back to horn a little over a year ago, I started practicing 2 to 3 hours a day. W/i a few months I was playing as well as I had my sophomore year at LSU, but I still didn't have any security or endurance in the upper register. I was doing everything Farkas my private instructor (who is, BTW, a renowned musician instructor in our area) told me to do, all to no avail. Since all the info I found to help horn players with range problems was more of the same old stuff I'd been told way back in the 1970s, I decided to look outside the horn world for help with my range problems. I stumbled upon a website written by a Texas trumpet teacher, Jeff Smiley. He claimed to have a put together a development system based on the works of several famous trumpeters (Gordon, Maggio, Callet others) and his own experiences that helps his EVERY student develop upper range, endurance, power, etc. Since I wasn't progressing I decided I had little to lose by trying Smiley's program, even if it didn't help! I ordered his book began his program. W/I a few weeks, my upper register opened up all the way to high C. I found myself able to hit any note in the upper octave ANY time I attempted w/o excessive pressure or strain. Wow! What a miracle that was for me! Now, 8 months later, it's only a matter of developing fluency up there. I finally have the range endurance that was missing all those years ago. If any of you ever have a few minutes to spare, look up Jeff Smiley's website, http://trumpetteacher.net/http://trumpetteacher.net/ . You might find something that helps you or your students who seem forever stuck in that horrid place: range limbo. I've introduced Jeff Smiley's program to four other horn players, two professional, 2 amateur all have benefited in some way from it. My private instructor uses parts of it daily and she's introduced it to a trumpet instructor in our area who says Jeff Smiley is spot on. Looking back, I've compared Farkas pedagogy to Smiley's found that much of what Farkas forbids (rolling in, breath shoving, etc.) is exactly what Smiley employs to develop range in young trumpet students! And, some of what Farkas encourages (flat chin, smiling pucker embouchure, etc.) are actually discouraged by Smiley. No wonder I had such problems! This leaves me asking the question: What the heck's wrong with horn pedagogy? Am I missing something out there or is horn instruction stuck somewhere the dark ages?! Valerie, come back horn player in Tacoma___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Holton improvements
The tuning slide should bring it down to 440--unless you play on the sharp side of the slot. However, a repair person should be able to add legs to the tuning slide, that is, to lengthen it. I have the opposite problem: I play on the low side, and I can't get up to 442. Shortening the horn is harder. Herb Foster --- Jonathan Yoder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello--I own a 1978 H-180 which is okay, but plays sharp (it's tuned to 442, I understand). What are some improvements (not too $$$) that can be done to the horn? A typical one is a new lead pipe (Lawson?). Others?Jonathan YoderCentral Illinois _ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: Re: [Hornlist] RE: Duets
Thanks, everyone for the suggestions. I will start him on the music he's playing in school anyway. Herb Foster --- Anna Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Often, beginning band books have some duets in them. Also, some methods have extra volumes of duets that work for any instrumentation (like the horn and saxophone duets my friend and I played in church in fifth grade). I'd check what band method your student is using, and see if there is anything that goes along with it. Anna -- Here's a request from the other end of difficulty. I have volunteered to teach a beginning kid--lesson fees to our church. What dead simple duets are available with recognizable tunes? He wouldn't recognize hymn tunes, though. Herb Foster - Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] RE: Duets
Here's a request from the other end of difficulty. I have volunteered to teach a beginning kid--lesson fees to our church. What dead simple duets are available with recognizable tunes? He wouldn't recognize hymn tunes, though. Herb Foster 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] RE: New Horn Questions
My father had frequent attacks of vertigo. The good news is they found out what the problem was. The bad news is that he was allergic to chocolate! It's not that uncommon. Herb Foster --- Steve Freides [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Ginko - Ginkgo Biloba, an excellent medicinal herb useful for much more than the maladies of the aging mind. I have slight case of persistent positional vertigo - basically I am always slightly dizzy due to what the doctors think is a small fluid leakage in my inner ear which, fortunately, seems not to effect my hearing at all. I take Gingko every day and it does help. It's available in capsule form, and is one of the few herbs that appear to have been largely accepted by mainstream Western medicine. Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Hornlist] RE: New Horn Questions
I have found that Chopsaver is effective. I tend towards chapped lips and used to go through Chapstick pretty fast. I need much less Chopsaver and feel less need to lick my lips. Some instrument dealers carry it, or you can get it directly from http://www.chopsaver.com/ This morning I bicycled 5 miles to work in 9 deg F. Used a Balaclava, though. Finally we're getting decent bicycling weather. Herb Foster --- Steve Freides [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Horn content - anyone have any new/usual advice for lip care in the freezing cold weather? Today here it's 15 degree F (roughly -8 Celsius, I think) and windy. My solution has been a scarf over the mouth - seems to help. I assume it is bad to wet one's lips outdoors in weather like this, even when they feel dry - is that right? -S- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Snow? I have some snow for you.....
WWHS--What would Hans say? You have to learn to transpose! Herb Foster --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/24/2007 11:21:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I spent over a $100 to have my snow blower tuned up and a new carb installed, and I've started it once to see if was done correctly. I will happily drain the gas out of it at the end of Winter if we don't have any snow! It would be a Hundred bucks well spent if I didn't have to use the darned thing. I would like to do the Mahler with Matthew though... -- Is there a snow blower part in the Mahler? And if so, what key is the part in? My snow blower can only pitch in F. Dave Weiner Brass Arts Unlimited ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Re: Audacity
I thought that would get a rise. Yeah I splice in something that's OK. I suppose I could extend the good part backwards. The no-attack being better than the SPLEAH. A trained ear would hear the patch, but everyone hears the clam. You can correct pitch, too. I have a CD where I make a grand SPLOOEY. Cringe time. My sound is beautiful, though. Herb Foster --- Jeremy Cucco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Herb - I'm curious how you fix clams in the recording. Unless of course you mean that you splice correct notes in... ... Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Hornlist] Practice mute. Am I gullible?
I have maintained that a 1/2 liter bottled water bottle works as well as any purchased practice mute, at least for a medium bell horn. Yes, yes, empty it, and put the neck in. Herb Foster --- Tom Spillman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to go out of town to a major cancer center for a checkup in March which will require me to stay in a hotel for several days. I hate to lose that much practice time. I have a Yamaha Silent Brass practice mute but have not been particularly happy with it for a number of reasons: the sound through the ear phones, the resistance, and the fact that the mute goes where my right hand belongs. Are there any other options? I'm sure part of my problem is my age (76) and the fact that I am a relatively late returner to the horn after a fifty year layoff. When I WAS active, there were no practice mutes that I was aware of. Any reasonable solution will be considered. Luckily, normally my practice is not a problem. I practice in my study upstairs and my wife has yet to complain. Since I normally practice at home, cost is a consideration, but not the only one. FWIW, I did find one I am considering (it still has the problem for the right hand): http://www.slidebone.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=37_73products_id=588 or: http://tinyurl.com/38cjas** Thanks... Tom -- Thomas M. Spillman, Jr. Asst. Professor (retired) Information Technology MBA Program School of Management St. Edward's University Austin, TX ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at http://music2.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
