Re: Attachmate

2007-08-16 Thread Grant Ward Able
Thanks Gary - I just couldnt find that in the RTFM - not the best in that 
regard

 
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Does anyone know how to setup a quickpad in Attachmate for TSO-ISPF, to
send the PA1 key ?

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Hi Grant,
From within an Extra session, click on Option - Settings, then select 
QuickPads.  You'll then need to edit an existing one or create a new one; 
either way, create a new button (using the button icon available in the 
toolbar).  Double-click your newly-created button and then select the 
Action tab from the subsequent page.  Choose the Miscellaneous 
category and the Send Keys command.  Some further options should then 
appear on the right.  Under Display Keys, select PA1 and then click on 
Add to Keystrokes.  Follow all of this up with a random combination of 
OK, Save, etc., and you should find that you have a working QuickPad.

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Re: Attachmate

2007-08-16 Thread Traylor, Terry
You might also have to click on the Attn key twice. 


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If by PA1, you mean to interrupt your foreground session, then the Attn
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Re: Attachmate

2007-08-16 Thread Grant Ward Able
Thanks Terry. What I needed was to be able to interrupt the SDSF  Auto 
Update display.  The SDSF Help says: 

  To cancel , press the RESET key, then PA1 (BSC terminals); or the 
Attn keys (SNA terminals).

 Although I have updated my QuickPad to contain the PA1 key, none of the 
actions above seem to work...Pressing the ATTN key just takes me 
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Re: CA Sues Rocket Software

2007-08-16 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
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Come on folks - CA like any company has an obligation to protect its 
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Re: Attachmate

2007-08-16 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
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If by PA1, you mean to interrupt your foreground session, then the
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SV: Attachmate

2007-08-16 Thread Per Lofgren
Try press ATTN once more when you come to your session selection menu.

Per

Thanks Terry. What I needed was to be able to interrupt the SDSF  Auto Update 
display.  The SDSF Help says: 

  To cancel , press the RESET key, then PA1 (BSC terminals); or the Attn 
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GDG Base Question

2007-08-16 Thread Dean Montevago
Hi,

How can I tell who altered a GDG base ?

TIA
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DFHSM messages in syslog

2007-08-16 Thread Lizette Koehler
Is there a way in DFSMShsm to get it to put more  information in syslog for 
RECALLS?  The past several nights with ARC0381A messages.  The main cause was a 
lack of tape drives.  So we have automated the message to reply WAIT.  Also to 
do Q ACT and Q WAIT commands to see what might be happening at that time.

I am hoping there is some way to put the recall inforamtion for HSM into 
SYSLOG/OPERLOG.  Example if I am recalling dsn X.Y.Z  is it possible for HSM to 
produce some sort of ARC message with

ARCxI Recalling X.Y.Z for userid Which Needs Volume 123456

If not, I will look at the DFHSM exits to see if there is a mechanism there.

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Re: GDG Base Question

2007-08-16 Thread McKown, John
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 How can I tell who altered a GDG base ?
 
 TIA
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SMF record type 66. But you'll have to decode it.

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Re: GDG Base Question

2007-08-16 Thread Dean Montevago
Thanks !

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 TIA
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Re: GDG Base Question

2007-08-16 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
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I am quite sure SMF record 66 (Alter) will tell you.

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Re: DFHSM messages in syslog

2007-08-16 Thread Laine, Rogers
Lizette,

I don't know the answer to your question, sorry, but I have been trying
to find a way to have HSM notify on the console that the recall has been
completed.
Again like yourself I would like to automate this process.

TIA,

Rogers  

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Is there a way in DFSMShsm to get it to put more  information in syslog
for RECALLS?  The past several nights with ARC0381A messages.  The main
cause was a lack of tape drives.  So we have automated the message to
reply WAIT.  Also to do Q ACT and Q WAIT commands to see what might be
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SYSLOG/OPERLOG.  Example if I am recalling dsn X.Y.Z  is it possible for
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ARCxI Recalling X.Y.Z for userid Which Needs Volume 123456

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Re: DFHSM messages in syslog

2007-08-16 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
You might consider restricting TAPEMAXRECALLTASKS(3) to a smallish number to 
avoid allocation failures.
 
You might also want to take a look at the age of the datasets being recalled. 
Keeping these datasets on ML1 a bit longer may eliminate your problem entirely.
 
To directly address your question, what do you have specified for the following 
parameters:
 
ACTLOGTYPE 
ACTLOGMSG   



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Is there a way in DFSMShsm to get it to put more  information in syslog for 
RECALLS?  The past several nights with ARC0381A messages.  The main cause was a 
lack of tape drives.  So we have automated the message to reply WAIT.  Also to 
do Q ACT and Q WAIT commands to see what might be happening at that time.

I am hoping there is some way to put the recall inforamtion for HSM into 
SYSLOG/OPERLOG.  Example if I am recalling dsn X.Y.Z  is it possible for HSM to 
produce some sort of ARC message with

ARCxI Recalling X.Y.Z for userid Which Needs Volume 123456

If not, I will look at the DFHSM exits to see if there is a mechanism there.

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Re: GDG Base Question

2007-08-16 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Dean,
 
  Download the DAF (Dataset Audit Facility) from  www.cbttape.org 
http://www.cbttape.org . 
 
Excellent tool, easy to install and answers all of the 'who did what to any 
dataset' questions that arise. 
 
Of course you need to be cutting the relevant SMF records. 



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Hi,

How can I tell who altered a GDG base ?

TIA
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SHARE Snubbery Report

2007-08-16 Thread Warner Mach
Here at SHARE there is a food court ('Seaport Village')
and there are a lot of pigeons around. The signs say,
'Please do not feed the birds' but everybody does it 
anyway.
  .
But when I tossed some food to a pigeon he ignored my
offering. So I can say that I was snubbed by a pigeon
at SHARE. Can anyone top that?

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Re: GDG Base Question

2007-08-16 Thread Dean Montevago
Thanks Dave. I'll check it out.

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Dean,
 
  Download the DAF (Dataset Audit Facility) from  www.cbttape.org
http://www.cbttape.org . 
 
Excellent tool, easy to install and answers all of the 'who did what to
any dataset' questions that arise. 
 
Of course you need to be cutting the relevant SMF records. 



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Hi,

How can I tell who altered a GDG base ?

TIA
Dean

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Re: Listing HIPERS

2007-08-16 Thread Steve Runtsch
 I'm looking for something much easier.either using IBMLINK or
 ShopzSeries to just get a list of HIPERS without having to pull
 maintenance, etc. Thanks.
 
 Rgrds, Joseph Sumi
 
 
This does not require downloading maintenance, only ENHANCED HOLDDATA as 
John mentioned.  It will show you only where you are lacking maintenance. 
You won't be bothered having to research HIPERs that you have already been 
addressed

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TCP/IP translation tables

2007-08-16 Thread Philip Miscione
Is there a way on the mainframe tcp/ip stack you can have multiple
translation tables

And direct a specific ftp to use it ?



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Re: TCP/IP translation tables

2007-08-16 Thread Gray, Larry - Larry A
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Is there a way on the mainframe tcp/ip stack you can have multiple
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Re: Listing HIPERS

2007-08-16 Thread Ed Gould

On Aug 16, 2007, at 9:29 AM, Steve Runtsch wrote:


I'm looking for something much easier.either using IBMLINK or
ShopzSeries to just get a list of HIPERS without having to pull
maintenance, etc. Thanks.

Rgrds, Joseph Sumi


This does not require downloading maintenance, only ENHANCED  
HOLDDATA as
John mentioned.  It will show you only where you are lacking  
maintenance.
You won't be bothered having to research HIPERs that you have  
already been

addressed




Steve:

True but its only as current as the easy enhanced holddata. I have  
seen apars go hiper in a half an hour or so. So, IMO its still needed  
to do the online research.


Ed

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Re: TCP/IP translation tables

2007-08-16 Thread Dean Montevago
Yes. You can use this to create a table:

//S1   EXEC PGM=CONVXLAT,

//PARM='''TCPIP.SEZATCPX(ESPANISH)''
ESPANISH.TCPXLBIN' 
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=X   
//SYSIN DD DUMMY,BLKSIZE=80   

This will create a file hlq.ESPANISH.TCPXLBIN. Use the XLATE statement
to point to it.

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Is there a way on the mainframe tcp/ip stack you can have multiple
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And direct a specific ftp to use it ?




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Re: SHARE Snubbery Report

2007-08-16 Thread Chris Mason

Warner

I guess he - or she - was fed up - nudge - with all these odd-looking 
characters assuming he - or she - was a deprived inner city resident when 
he - or she - just wanted to mill around looking over these odd-looking 
characters invading his - or her - territory.


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Here at SHARE there is a food court ('Seaport Village')
and there are a lot of pigeons around. The signs say,
'Please do not feed the birds' but everybody does it
anyway.
 .
But when I tossed some food to a pigeon he ignored my
offering. So I can say that I was snubbed by a pigeon
at SHARE. Can anyone top that?

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Re: Listing HIPERS

2007-08-16 Thread Sumi, Joseph J. (CMS/CTR) (CTR)
What I will probably do is to have the programmers use IBMLINK ASAP and
enter FMID's to track their productsI still would have thought that
there was a way to put in a date range and get back a 1-line description
of the HIPER PTF, FMID, Componenet, Date, Description.

The Enhanced Hold Data output is ugly (or I'm pulling it incorrectly),
FYI: Is this what you guys see ??

++NULL  //.

++NULL  /* Enhanced HOLDDATA from 07/16/2007 to 08/15/2007  */.

++NULL  /* Current updates and additional information regarding */.

++NULL  /* Enhanced HOLDDATA is available on the world-wide web */.

++NULL  /* at http://service.boulder.ibm.com/390holddata.html   */.

++NULL  //.

++ NULL. /* Enhanced Holddata from 07/16/2007 to 08/15/2007 */

++HOLD(AKDF540) FMID(AKDF540) REASON(AA21624) ERROR DATE(07200)

 COMMENT(SMRTDATA(FIX(UA35557) SYMP(FUL)

 CHGDT(070719))) CLASS(HIPER).

++HOLD(AKD2540) FMID(AKD2540) REASON(AA21234) ERROR DATE(07201)

 COMMENT(SMRTDATA(FIX(UA35594) CHGDT(070720))) CLASS(HIPER).

++HOLD(HAAD610) FMID(HAAD610) REASON(AK48496) ERROR DATE(07222)

 COMMENT(SMRTDATA(SYMP(PRF) CHGDT(070810)))

 CLASS(HIPER).

++HOLD(HABW110) FMID(HABW110) REASON(AK49416) ERROR DATE(07216)

 COMMENT(SMRTDATA(FIX(UK27788) SYMP(IPL)

 CHGDT(070804))) CLASS(HIPER).

++HOLD(HABW110) FMID(HABW110) REASON(AK50497) ERROR DATE(07221)

 COMMENT(SMRTDATA(FIX(UK28033) SYMP(IPL)

 CHGDT(070809))) CLASS(HIPER).

++HOLD(HAB6610) FMID(HAB6610) REASON(AK45173) ERROR DATE(07216)

 COMMENT(SMRTDATA(FIX(UK27768) SYMP(FUL)

 CHGDT(070804))) CLASS(HIPER).

++HOLD(HBB7707) FMID(HBB7707) REASON(AA18045) ERROR DATE(07206)

 COMMENT(SMRTDATA(FIX(UA29840) SYMP(FUL,PRV)

 CHGDT(070725))) CLASS(HIPER).

++HOLD(HBB7707) FMID(HBB7707) REASON(AA21131) ERROR DATE(07200)






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JCL passing parms to ASM module?

2007-08-16 Thread J R

Are you sure you have preserved R1 across your entry housekeeping?

john [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
I'm relatively inexperienced with programming in assembler; I am trying to 
get the parameters passed on the EXEC statement in my JCL into some 
storage, but am failing miserably.  What am I doing wrong?  Here is my JCL: 
//STEP1   EXEC PGM=MYPROG,PARM='ABCDEFG' //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*   Here is 
my ASM source: .L 2,0(1)   *copy parm addr 
into R2LA   2,2(2)   *bump R2 past parm length
MVC  PARMLIST(7),0(2) *move parmlistPUT   SYSPRINT,PARMLIST . 
PARMLIST DC 8C' 'END   When I run my job, I keep getting a S0C4, reason 
10, at the MVC offset.  I am trying to follow the parm-passing conventions 
in the IBM HLASM Prog. Ref. and the MVS ASM Svcs. Guide, but I guess I'm 
just not getting something.  Is there a basic example somewhere?




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Re: linklisted load library failing

2007-08-16 Thread Peter Relson
It is conceivable that there is an error in LLA, particularly if there are
multiple LNKLST sets active.
If you are getting an entirely wrong module (i.e., the system loaded X
when you requested Y),
that could be LLA. There were problems several years ago that manifested
itself this way.

If the opportunity presents itself, you could try turning off LLA (not
refreshing it) and seeing if things work.

I surely hope that you did not compress one of these libraries while the
system was using it.
That is surely not supported  (and is a primary reason why the system
allocates the LNKLST data sets,
so that if you properly use DISP=OLD for your compress, you won't be able
to do it).

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Re: Listing HIPERS

2007-08-16 Thread Tergerson, John
Joseph,

That is the ENHANCED HOLDDATA.  You don't need to read any of it, just
receive it into your SMPE GLOBAL CSI.  As you can see in the header, it
is as current as the previous day.  Make sure there are no gaps in
holddata received.  In your example, the file covers only the last
month.  You can retrieve holddata that covers the last two years.

Your report will show you what applies to YOUR system at its current
state.  There is no need to develop complex queries and try to
understand which piece of maintenance you found applies to you.
Everything in the report applies to your system, and it is current.

Ed, if you really have nothing better to do than look every half hour
for additional HIPER maintenance, you really need a life :)  Yesterday
is current enough for me.

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What I will probably do is to have the programmers use IBMLINK ASAP and
enter FMID's to track their productsI still would have thought that
there was a way to put in a date range and get back a 1-line description
of the HIPER PTF, FMID, Componenet, Date, Description.

The Enhanced Hold Data output is ugly (or I'm pulling it incorrectly),
FYI: Is this what you guys see ??

++NULL  //.

++NULL  /* Enhanced HOLDDATA from 07/16/2007 to 08/15/2007  */.

++NULL  /* Current updates and additional information regarding */.

++NULL  /* Enhanced HOLDDATA is available on the world-wide web */.

++NULL  /* at http://service.boulder.ibm.com/390holddata.html   */.

++NULL  //.

++ NULL. /* Enhanced Holddata from 07/16/2007 to 08/15/2007 */

++HOLD(AKDF540) FMID(AKDF540) REASON(AA21624) ERROR DATE(07200)

 COMMENT(SMRTDATA(FIX(UA35557) SYMP(FUL)

 CHGDT(070719))) CLASS(HIPER).

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Re: Refreshing PDSEs (was: linklisted load library failing)

2007-08-16 Thread Imbriale, Donald
To reclaim space in a PDSE which is in linklist and if linklist is
managed by LLA, the library will need to be removed from LLA management
then a job to write one member to the PDSE should be run to initiate the
reclaim process.

From Using Data Sets:

PDSE space cannot be reclaimed immediately after a member is deleted or
dated. If a deleted or updated member still has an existing connection
from another task (or the input DCB from an ISPF edit session), the
member space is not reclaimed until the connection is released and the
data set is opened for output and that OPEN for OUTPUT is the only one
on that system.   

Don Imbriale

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PDS's have the reclaiming space issue, PDSE's should not.  

With a PDSE when a member is deleted, or re-written to a larger block,
the unused space it had occupied becomes available for immediate usage
by the next write (STOR) activity.  It maintains a list of free blocks
in the directory, nothing, including a library in a linklist or a CICS
region should be preventing that from being updated.

If a system is not doing this it is likely because there is a user exit
or SMS exit preventing it, or maybe forcing PDSE allocations to be a
PDS's.

The only time a PDSE might need a reorg itself, is when it has split the
library's directory over all the extents it has allocated.  This really
only happens in a heavily used source library.

As for IEBCOPY it needs a 3meg region size minimum when working with
PDSE's, as opposed to the 450K size when working with PDS's

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Re: JCL passing parms to ASM module?

2007-08-16 Thread Steve Comstock

J R wrote:

Are you sure you have preserved R1 across your entry housekeeping?

john [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

I'm relatively inexperienced with programming in assembler; I am 
trying to get the parameters passed on the EXEC statement in my JCL 
into some storage, but am failing miserably.  What am I doing wrong?  
Here is my JCL: //STEP1   EXEC PGM=MYPROG,PARM='ABCDEFG' //SYSPRINT DD 
SYSOUT=*   Here is my ASM source: .L 
2,0(1)   *copy parm addr into R2LA   
2,2(2)   *bump R2 past parm lengthMVC  
PARMLIST(7),0(2) *move parmlistPUT   SYSPRINT,PARMLIST . 
PARMLIST DC 8C' 'END   When I run my job, I keep getting a S0C4, 
reason 10, at the MVC offset.  I am trying to follow the parm-passing 
conventions in the IBM HLASM Prog. Ref. and the MVS ASM Svcs. Guide, 
but I guess I'm just not getting something.  Is there a basic example 
somewhere?




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so we can all see them. Wonder why your lines of code run
together like that.

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Re: JCL passing parms to ASM module?

2007-08-16 Thread J R

Actually, I did post to IBM-MAIN, OP apparently did not.

The running together of lines is probably my fault; I tried to quote
OP's text within my post.  For some reason it got away from me.



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Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:47:07 -0600

J R wrote:

Are you sure you have preserved R1 across your entry housekeeping?

john [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote



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Re: JCL passing parms to ASM module?

2007-08-16 Thread J R

The OPEN broke it!

john [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Yes, I am posting from Google, sorry about that.

I don't believe I have any entry housekeeping that could break R1:


  BALR  3,0
  USING *,3
  OPEN (SYSPRINT,OUTPUT)
  L 2,0(1)   *copy parm addr into R2
etc...

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Re: JCL passing parms to ASM module?

2007-08-16 Thread J R

Just to clarify,
original post via Google from john [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

I'm relatively inexperienced with programming in assembler; I am
trying to get the parameters passed on the EXEC statement in my JCL
into some storage, but am failing miserably.  What am I doing wrong?

Here is my JCL:
//STEP1   EXEC PGM=MYPROG,PARM='ABCDEFG'
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*


Here is my ASM source:
..
   L 2,0(1)   *copy parm addr into R2
   LA   2,2(2)   *bump R2 past parm length
   MVC  PARMLIST(7),0(2) *move parmlist
   PUT   SYSPRINT,PARMLIST
..
PARMLIST DC 8C' '
   END


When I run my job, I keep getting a S0C4, reason 10, at the MVC
offset.  I am trying to follow the parm-passing conventions in the IBM
HLASM Prog. Ref. and the MVS ASM Svcs. Guide, but I guess I'm just not
getting something.  Is there a basic example somewhere?

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Re: Listing HIPERS

2007-08-16 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:09:37 -0400, Sumi, Joseph J. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

What I will probably do is to have the programmers use IBMLINK ASAP and
enter FMID's to track their productsI still would have thought that
there was a way to put in a date range and get back a 1-line description
of the HIPER PTF, FMID, Componenet, Date, Description.

The Enhanced Hold Data output is ugly (or I'm pulling it incorrectly),
FYI: Is this what you guys see ??

What is it that you are trying to accomplish?  As has been mentioned, the 
enhanced holddata is intended to tell SMP/E about holds and resolutions.  
Have you received the enhanced holddata and run a report errorsysmods 
report as has been suggested?  It tells about all known errors in your target 
zone(s) and any available resolving PTFs.

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Re: JCL passing parms to ASM module?

2007-08-16 Thread Bob Halpern
R15 is your entry point. LR 3,15, using the entry point r3
After open, test if it worked. LTR 15,15, BNZ oops



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The OPEN broke it!

john [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Yes, I am posting from Google, sorry about that.

I don't believe I have any entry housekeeping that could break R1:


   BALR  3,0
   USING *,3
   OPEN (SYSPRINT,OUTPUT)
   L 2,0(1)   *copy parm addr into R2
etc...

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Re: JCL passing parms to ASM module?

2007-08-16 Thread Steve Comstock

J R wrote:

Actually, I did post to IBM-MAIN, OP apparently did not.


Actually, you did. It was OP who did not and that's
who I was trying to address. I didn't say it quite
right, though. Sorry.



The running together of lines is probably my fault; I tried to quote
OP's text within my post.  For some reason it got away from me.


I'm glad you did the quote, again I thought it was the OPs
message that had run together lines.





From: Steve Comstock [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: JCL passing parms to ASM module?
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:47:07 -0600

J R wrote:


Are you sure you have preserved R1 across your entry housekeeping?

john [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote



You might also post your questions to IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
so we can all see them. Wonder why your lines of code run
together like that.






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Re: TCP/IP translation tables

2007-08-16 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:37:17 -0400, Philip Miscione wrote:

Is there a way on the mainframe tcp/ip stack you can have multiple
translation tables

And direct a specific ftp to use it ?

From a foreign client I routinely use:

quote site sbdataconn=(IBM-1047,ISO8859-1)

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Re: JCL passing parms to ASM module?

2007-08-16 Thread Hare, Tim
There are people with more ASM experience than I on this list, but the OP did 
not show any entry housekeeping for register preservation; and at the least the 
parameter list needs to be extracted prior to using system macros (as someone 
pointed out, OPEN broke it by using R1).

Also, with PARM usage, does R1 point to a pointer to the parm field? If so, the 
OP code

L 2,0(1)

is correct, otherwise, if R1 points to the PARM directly, it's going to mess up.

The OP should also not skip the length field, but rather use it to move the 
parm:

LA 0,PARMLISTPoint to target
LA 1,7   Target is 7 characters
LR 14,2(2)   Point to parameter area (from R2 above)
LH 15,0(2)   Length (again depending on R2)
O  15,=x'4000'   Pad with blanks
MVCL 0,14Move up to 7 chars into area = by R0


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Subject: Re: JCL passing parms to ASM module?

The OPEN broke it!

john [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Yes, I am posting from Google, sorry about that.

I don't believe I have any entry housekeeping that could break R1:


   BALR  3,0
   USING *,3
   OPEN (SYSPRINT,OUTPUT)
   L 2,0(1)   *copy parm addr into R2
etc...

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Re: JCL passing parms to ASM module?

2007-08-16 Thread Hal Merritt
If SYSPRINT is not open, you can expect an 0C4 because the buffers are
not allocated. 

If SYSPRINT is open, R1 will have been changed to the OPEN parm list.
That parm list may or may not still be in storage, hence an 0C4. 

Move your OPEN for SYSPRINT to just before the PUT.

Many macros do not preserve registers.   

 

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Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 11:23 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: JCL passing parms to ASM module?

Just to clarify,
original post via Google from john [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

I'm relatively inexperienced with programming in assembler; I am
trying to get the parameters passed on the EXEC statement in my JCL
into some storage, but am failing miserably.  What am I doing wrong?

Here is my JCL:
//STEP1   EXEC PGM=MYPROG,PARM='ABCDEFG'
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*


Here is my ASM source:
..
L 2,0(1)   *copy parm addr into R2
LA   2,2(2)   *bump R2 past parm length
MVC  PARMLIST(7),0(2) *move parmlist
PUT   SYSPRINT,PARMLIST
..
PARMLIST DC 8C' '
END


When I run my job, I keep getting a S0C4, reason 10, at the MVC
offset.  I am trying to follow the parm-passing conventions in the IBM
HLASM Prog. Ref. and the MVS ASM Svcs. Guide, but I guess I'm just not
getting something.  Is there a basic example somewhere?

 
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Re: Listing HIPERS

2007-08-16 Thread Sumi, Joseph J. (CMS/CTR) (CTR)
Let me give more background. My role is management of this activity and
I do not receive, apply, etc. We need to change our maint philosophy on
how we handle HIPERS. IE: We build z/OS 1.8 on a test system with a July
ESO but do not go production to October. I want to find out about HIPERS
from July-September. They would be evaluated to make sure nothing hot is
missing. We would then selectively apply HIPERS that are applicable.
That's my idea right now.

Are you saying that if my MVS guy received 90-days of enhanced holddata,
we could look it over and selectively apply what is needed or would all
90-days worth of this maint go on? What would you (or others) do with my
example scenario..? Also, going forward from October, how would you
handle HIPERS that come out. 

Thanks.  



Rgrds, Joseph Sumi 


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Joseph,

That is the ENHANCED HOLDDATA.  You don't need to read any of it, just
receive it into your SMPE GLOBAL CSI.  As you can see in the header, it
is as current as the previous day.  Make sure there are no gaps in
holddata received.  In your example, the file covers only the last
month.  You can retrieve holddata that covers the last two years.

Your report will show you what applies to YOUR system at its current
state.  There is no need to develop complex queries and try to
understand which piece of maintenance you found applies to you.
Everything in the report applies to your system, and it is current.

Ed, if you really have nothing better to do than look every half hour
for additional HIPER maintenance, you really need a life :)  Yesterday
is current enough for me.

John

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Domain Name Server (DNS) on z/OS?

2007-08-16 Thread Klein, Kevin
Our most recent disaster test proved to be a (drum roll) disaster.  Fortunately 
for me if not for my company, since I'm on z/OS, 95% of our problems were with 
the Wintel platforms.   We had z/OS (1.7) up in two hours but spent the 
remainder of the test ironing out server restores.  One item that has arisen 
because of this is questioning if we need to keep our DNS on a Windows server.  
We had everything restored and ready to go on z/OS by noon but had to wait 
another 6-8 hours for a DNS before we could test WAS.  Specifically:

*   Does z/OS have any DNS services?  If we could get a DNS going with z/OS 
we'd have a definite ETA on when it's available.
*   If so, is it recommended to run your DNS on z/OS?
*   Again, if so, does anyone have any experiences/recommendations they'd 
care to share?

I haven't begun looking at manuals yet.  That will be my next step unless I get 
a concensus that it's fruitless.  
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Re: Age Poll Results: 49.47

2007-08-16 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:37:16 -0300, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

...
When I started, it was routine to bring in operators and train them.
...

When I started, that was *the* way people got into system 
programming.  More specifically, those interested in system
programing picked operations as a starting point because it got 
them close to the computers. 

However, I don't recall that training was much more available then
than now.  Mentoring, yes.  And PLMs, fiche, etc. for self training.
I'm sure that varied from shop to shop, but I at that shop 8 years 
before sent to SHARE, and 2 or 3 more years before being sent to 
an actual class. Three classes in 14 years, as I rercall.

On the other hand, my next shop I was sent to 2 classes in less than 
2 years.  

In the last 18 years I've been sent to no classes, but lots of SHAREs.

Pat O'Keefe

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Re: JCL passing parms to ASM module?

2007-08-16 Thread Lizette Koehler
I just have an observation

If you load R1 after you issue an OPEN I believe that R1 is used by OPEN and 
therefore not pointing to your parm input any more.  I always find it safer to 
put my parm code right after housekeeping.  That way it does not get lost.  Or 
you could always recover it from your save area?

I usually us

XYZ  CSECT
 SAVE (13,14),SAVEA
 (setup chaining here)
 LR   R2,R1Get parm address 
 (do other stuff)
 OPEN (stuff)

 
Or something like that.

Lizette


I don't believe I have any entry housekeeping that could break R1:


   BALR  3,0
   USING *,3
   OPEN (SYSPRINT,OUTPUT)
   L 2,0(1)   *copy parm addr into R2
etc...

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Re: Age Poll Results: 49.47

2007-08-16 Thread Bob Shannon
More specifically, those interested in system programming picked operations 
as a starting point because it got them close to the computers

Where I started it was more common to come from applications

However, I don't recall that training was much more available then
than now

I had the opposite experience. As a rookie I went to classes all the time.

Ah, the good old days  ;-)

Bob Shannon
Rocket Software

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Re: Domain Name Server (DNS) on z/OS?

2007-08-16 Thread Mark Jacobs

Klein, Kevin wrote:

Our most recent disaster test proved to be a (drum roll) disaster.  Fortunately 
for me if not for my company, since I'm on z/OS, 95% of our problems were with 
the Wintel platforms.   We had z/OS (1.7) up in two hours but spent the 
remainder of the test ironing out server restores.  One item that has arisen 
because of this is questioning if we need to keep our DNS on a Windows server.  
We had everything restored and ready to go on z/OS by noon but had to wait 
another 6-8 hours for a DNS before we could test WAS.  Specifically:

*   Does z/OS have any DNS services?  If we could get a DNS going with z/OS 
we'd have a definite ETA on when it's available.
*   If so, is it recommended to run your DNS on z/OS?
*   Again, if so, does anyone have any experiences/recommendations they'd 
care to share?

I haven't begun looking at manuals yet.  That will be my next step unless I get a concensus that it's fruitless.  
  
The zOS 1.7 communications server does have a BIND 9.2 server available 
for use, We don't use it here so I can't give anymore details about it.


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Re: Age Poll Results: 49.47

2007-08-16 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
Bob Shannon wrote:
 I had the opposite experience. As a rookie I went to classes all the
time.

 Ah, the good old days  ;-)

Same here, however, as I became a more experienced systems programmer
there were less and less useful classes available. There are not a lot
of detailed system programmer type classes (maybe because the mainframe
is dead). That's where SHARE and other conferences become really useful.
You can learn from the experts.


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Re: Refreshing PDSEs (was: linklisted load library failing)

2007-08-16 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:32:01 -0400, Imbriale, Donald wrote:

To reclaim space in a PDSE which is in linklist and if linklist is
managed by LLA, the library will need to be removed from LLA management
then a job to write one member to the PDSE should be run to initiate the
reclaim process.

From Using Data Sets:

PDSE space cannot be reclaimed immediately after a member is deleted or
dated. If a deleted or updated member still has an existing connection
from another task (or the input DCB from an ISPF edit session), the
member space is not reclaimed until the connection is released and the
data set is opened for output and that OPEN for OUTPUT is the only one
on that system.

As I read this, you omitted an essential step:

All other jobs which have the PDSE open for output must close
it before the space can be reclaimed.

Then, opening it for OUTPUT (to write one member) seems supremely
academic: the space is not reclaimed until it's needed, at which
point it is automatically reclaimed.

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Re: Age Poll Results: 49.47

2007-08-16 Thread Jon Brock
I went to a class once.

Jon



snip
 I had the opposite experience. As a rookie I went to classes all the
time.
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Re: JCL passing parms to ASM module?

2007-08-16 Thread Ulrich Krueger
John,
The OPEN macro changes the value in R1.
To make your program work you need to the following, in sequence:
Establish base register
Save all registers so your program can return control at end.
Save R1 and/or process parm values _before_ any macro calls or anything that
alters R1
Now that you've processed your parm, open any files that your program might
need.
Process your data
At end of program, restore saved registers for proper return of control to
system.

I would recommend that you use some standardized macros to start your
program and establish addressability, etc. There are Language Environment
macros from IBM that let you do that (CEEENTRY, CEETERM, CEE3PRM), and there
also are some macros available on the CBT tape, believe (I haven't looked in
a while, but there might also be some macro to help you parse PARM into
variables).

Regards,
Ulrich

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Just to clarify,
original post via Google from john [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

I'm relatively inexperienced with programming in assembler; I am
trying to get the parameters passed on the EXEC statement in my JCL
into some storage, but am failing miserably.  What am I doing wrong?

Here is my JCL:
//STEP1   EXEC PGM=MYPROG,PARM='ABCDEFG'
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*


Here is my ASM source:
..
L 2,0(1)   *copy parm addr into R2
LA   2,2(2)   *bump R2 past parm length
MVC  PARMLIST(7),0(2) *move parmlist
PUT   SYSPRINT,PARMLIST
..
PARMLIST DC 8C' '
END


When I run my job, I keep getting a S0C4, reason 10, at the MVC
offset.  I am trying to follow the parm-passing conventions in the IBM
HLASM Prog. Ref. and the MVS ASM Svcs. Guide, but I guess I'm just not
getting something.  Is there a basic example somewhere?

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Re: Age Poll Results: 49.47

2007-08-16 Thread Craddock, Chris
Bob Shannon said 
 I had the opposite experience. As a rookie I went to classes all the
time.
 Ah, the good old days  ;-)

Me too. My boss used to bring the IBM education catalog around every
quarter and I'd have to pick something relevant. By the time I'd got
through all of the MVS-specific stuff, it got progressively less
relevant to my MVS perf/tune/cap role but still great.

CC

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Re: Listing HIPERS

2007-08-16 Thread Tergerson, John
Joseph,

The 90 days worth of holddata might be correct in this case, just
because your system, built in July, is less than 90 days old.  There
won't be a gap in the holddata.  Before you run any report, retrieve
current holddata into your system that covers back to the last date you
retrieved holddata.  Don't bother trying to read the data itself.

If you run a report today, and the holddata is current, it will show
what PTF errors and HIPER errors your system is known to be exposed to
today.  If your production date is October, then, sometime before you go
to production, get the holddata current and run another report.  You
will undoubtedly see additional entries.  Maintenance applied in the
interim will possibly eliminate entries seen in the first report.  Take
care of the entries that look serious enough to your shop.

Each report will show you what errors you are known to be exposed to and
will be as current as the holddata.

There are lots of other ways to receive notification of potential
problems.  One is this forum, another is the IBMLink Automatic Software
Alert Process, another is a subscription to IBM flashes.  They will give
warning between your refresh of holddata.  Those entries should show up
in the holddata as well, and very quickly after they become known by the
IBM support teams.

You can also, as you asked in the first place, do your own searching and
wading through results.  I just don't do much of that, so I don't know
how to do efficient queries that won't also potentially miss errors I
would have wanted to see, and the holddata is so darned easy.

John  


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Subject: Re: Listing HIPERS

Let me give more background. My role is management of this activity and
I do not receive, apply, etc. We need to change our maint philosophy on
how we handle HIPERS. IE: We build z/OS 1.8 on a test system with a July
ESO but do not go production to October. I want to find out about HIPERS
from July-September. They would be evaluated to make sure nothing hot is
missing. We would then selectively apply HIPERS that are applicable.
That's my idea right now.

Are you saying that if my MVS guy received 90-days of enhanced holddata,
we could look it over and selectively apply what is needed or would all
90-days worth of this maint go on? What would you (or others) do with my
example scenario..? Also, going forward from October, how would you
handle HIPERS that come out. 

Thanks.  



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Re: Domain Name Server (DNS) on z/OS?

2007-08-16 Thread Pinnacle
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Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 12:44 PM
Subject: Domain Name Server (DNS) on z/OS?


Our most recent disaster test proved to be a (drum roll) disaster. 
Fortunately for me if not for my company, since I'm on z/OS, 95% of our 
problems were with the Wintel platforms.   We had z/OS (1.7) up in two 
hours but spent the remainder of the test ironing out server restores. 
One item that has arisen because of this is questioning if we need to keep 
our DNS on a Windows server.  We had everything restored and ready to go 
on z/OS by noon but had to wait another 6-8 hours for a DNS before we 
could test WAS.  Specifically:


* Does z/OS have any DNS services?  If we could get a DNS going with z/OS 
we'd have a definite ETA on when it's available.

* If so, is it recommended to run your DNS on z/OS?
* Again, if so, does anyone have any experiences/recommendations they'd 
care to share?


I haven't begun looking at manuals yet.  That will be my next step unless 
I get a concensus that it's fruitless.


Kevin,

I recall reading a recent IBM announcement that DNS was being pulled from 
z/OS (sorry, I don't remember when).  You can probably run it until then, 
then maybe try to get an open source solution and install under Unix System 
Services.


Regards,
Tom Conley

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Re: Domain Name Server (DNS) on z/OS?

2007-08-16 Thread Mark Jacobs

Pinnacle wrote:

snip


Kevin,

I recall reading a recent IBM announcement that DNS was being pulled 
from z/OS (sorry, I don't remember when).  You can probably run it 
until then, then maybe try to get an open source solution and install 
under Unix System Services.


Regards,
Tom Conley

I think you read that the old BIND 4.x server is being pulled from zOS. 
BIND 9.x is the current version of BIND.


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Re: Domain Name Server (DNS) on z/OS?

2007-08-16 Thread Gray, Larry - Larry A
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The issue you report seems more like a priority issue.  One of the first
things that should occur in a DR test or event should be the restoration
of the network.  DNS should be considered part of the network.  If you
are running DNS on a Windows server, that server should come up first.
Not knowing your organizational layout, you might want to give that
server to the network people and let it be their concern.  Or you can
use an appliance instead of a server.


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Subject: Domain Name Server (DNS) on z/OS?

Our most recent disaster test proved to be a (drum roll) disaster.
Fortunately for me if not for my company, since I'm on z/OS, 95% of our
problems were with the Wintel platforms.   We had z/OS (1.7) up in two
hours but spent the remainder of the test ironing out server restores.
One item that has arisen because of this is questioning if we need to
keep our DNS on a Windows server.  We had everything restored and ready
to go on z/OS by noon but had to wait another 6-8 hours for a DNS before
we could test WAS.  Specifically:

*   Does z/OS have any DNS services?  If we could get a DNS going
with z/OS we'd have a definite ETA on when it's available.
*   If so, is it recommended to run your DNS on z/OS?
*   Again, if so, does anyone have any experiences/recommendations
they'd care to share?

I haven't begun looking at manuals yet.  That will be my next step
unless I get a concensus that it's fruitless.  

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Re: SHARE Snubbery Report

2007-08-16 Thread John P Kalinich
SHARE Snubbee Warner Mach of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List
IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 08/16/2007 09:18:37 AM:

 Here at SHARE there is a food court ('Seaport Village')
 and there are a lot of pigeons around. The signs say,
 'Please do not feed the birds' but everybody does it
 anyway.
   .
 But when I tossed some food to a pigeon he ignored my
 offering. So I can say that I was snubbed by a pigeon
 at SHARE. Can anyone top that?

Warner, you da maaan!!!

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Re: Domain Name Server (DNS) on z/OS?

2007-08-16 Thread Eric Chevalier
On 16 Aug 2007 09:44:03 -0700, Kevin Klein wrote:

Our most recent disaster test proved to be a (drum roll) disaster.  
Fortunately for me if not for my company, since I'm on z/OS, 95% of our 
problems were with the Wintel platforms.   We had z/OS (1.7) up in two hours 
but spent the remainder of the test ironing out server restores.  One item 
that has arisen because of this is questioning if we need to keep our DNS on a 
Windows server.  We had everything restored and ready to go on z/OS by noon 
but had to wait another 6-8 hours for a DNS before we could test WAS.  
Specifically:

*  Does z/OS have any DNS services?  If we could get a DNS going with z/OS 
we'd have a definite ETA on when it's available.
*  If so, is it recommended to run your DNS on z/OS?
*  Again, if so, does anyone have any experiences/recommendations they'd 
care to share?

Yes!

We've been running the z/OS Bind 9.x DNS server as our primary name
server for several years now. It works quite nicely, and doesn't seem
to be operationally much different from running Bind on any other
platform. About the only time we need to touch the name server is when
we need to update the zone databases.

(For backup we run a secondary name server on an AIX box in a remote
office.)

Eric

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Re: SHARE Snubbery Report

2007-08-16 Thread Weidt, James
Well I just setup a rule to auto delete snubbery reports...

So take that!!!

Thanks,

Jim Weidt

Senior Systems Engineer

Jostens Inc.

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SHARE Snubbee Warner Mach of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List
IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 08/16/2007 09:18:37 AM:

 Here at SHARE there is a food court ('Seaport Village')
 and there are a lot of pigeons around. The signs say,
 'Please do not feed the birds' but everybody does it
 anyway.
   .
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Warner, you da maaan!!!

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Re: Listing HIPERS

2007-08-16 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:40:00 -0400, Sumi, Joseph J. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Let me give more background. My role is management of this activity and
I do not receive, apply, etc. We need to change our maint philosophy on
how we handle HIPERS. IE: We build z/OS 1.8 on a test system with a July
ESO but do not go production to October. I want to find out about HIPERS
from July-September. They would be evaluated to make sure nothing hot is
missing. We would then selectively apply HIPERS that are applicable.
That's my idea right now.

Are you saying that if my MVS guy received 90-days of enhanced holddata,
we could look it over and selectively apply what is needed or would all
90-days worth of this maint go on? What would you (or others) do with my
example scenario..? Also, going forward from October, how would you
handle HIPERS that come out.

I would do two things.  I'd run errorsysmods reports as John Tergerson 
suggested, always receiving the latest enhanced holddata first.  I'd also apply 
RSU service.  See
http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/zos/servicetst/

Yes, your MVS guy can selectively apply service, though it's not the way I'd 
do it.  My preference would be to get the latest holddata and apply the most 
recent quarterly RSU.  Then I'd run errorsysmods reports examine any errors 
that it points out.

One of the problems with a blind search for HIPERs is that you are really only 
interested in those that affect your system.  You can easily become 
overwhelmed by the number of PTFs if you don't limit it to those that affect 
your system.

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Re: Domain Name Server (DNS) on z/OS?

2007-08-16 Thread Jerry Whitteridge
Only the older release of Bind is being withdrawn. The newer version
will still be available.

Jerry Whitteridge
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 I recall reading a recent IBM announcement that DNS was being 
 pulled from 
 z/OS (sorry, I don't remember when).  You can probably run it 
 until then, 
 then maybe try to get an open source solution and install 
 under Unix System 
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Re: Refreshing PDSEs (was: linklisted load library failing)

2007-08-16 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:55:19 -0500, Paul Gilmartin 
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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:32:01 -0400, Imbriale, Donald wrote:

From Using Data Sets:

 the
member space is not reclaimed until the connection is released and the
data set is opened for output and that OPEN for OUTPUT is the only one
on that system.

As I read this, you omitted an essential step:

All other jobs which have the PDSE open for output must close
it before the space can be reclaimed.

It's there.  ...and that OPEN for OUTPUT is the only one on that system.

Then, opening it for OUTPUT (to write one member) seems supremely
academic: the space is not reclaimed until it's needed, at which
point it is automatically reclaimed.

No, because you've created a situation where no one else is using the data 
set.  If someone else opens it, you'll no longer be the only one so the space 
reclamation will not occur.

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Re: Listing HIPERS

2007-08-16 Thread Debbie Mitchell
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:40:00 -0400, Sumi, Joseph J. (CMS/CTR) (CTR)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 IE: We build z/OS 1.8 on a test system with a July
ESO but do not go production to October. I want to find out about HIPERS
from July-September. They would be evaluated to make sure nothing hot is
missing. We would then selectively apply HIPERS that are applicable.
That's my idea right now.


I've always reviewed the PSP buckets shortly before going to production. 
It's served me well over the years.

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Re: Age Poll Results: 49.47

2007-08-16 Thread Howard Brazee
On 16 Aug 2007 09:58:28 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Veilleux, Jon
L) wrote:

Same here, however, as I became a more experienced systems programmer
there were less and less useful classes available. There are not a lot
of detailed system programmer type classes (maybe because the mainframe
is dead). That's where SHARE and other conferences become really useful.
You can learn from the experts.

But what percentage of system programmers have employers who believe
this resource is worth the employer's money or the employee's time?

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Re: Domain Name Server (DNS) on z/OS?

2007-08-16 Thread David Andrews
On Thu, 2007-08-16 at 13:25 -0400, Pinnacle wrote:
 I recall reading a recent IBM announcement that DNS was being pulled from 
 z/OS (sorry, I don't remember when).

You might be thinking of DHCP?

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Re: Listing HIPERS

2007-08-16 Thread Ed Gould

On Aug 16, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Tergerson, John wrote:


SNIP__
Ed, if you really have nothing better to do than look every half hour
for additional HIPER maintenance, you really need a life :)  Yesterday
is current enough for me.

John




If that is what is good for you fine, personally I would expect no  
less from anyone. I would also expect to monitor all new hipers for  
at least a week (or two) after maintenance goes on. I do have a life  
but maintenance is part of it and if you had a baby would you leave  
it out on the front lawn because you have checked the neighborhood  
for wolves (and found none) ?


When my baby goes into production I am in proactive mode not  
reactive. I don't wait for the wolf to come to my street corner. i  
also monitor logrec and system dumps all the time. That is how you  
find things that are in the process of breaking.


Saying that, not all hipers are really important. If there is one out  
there for a component we don't use I don't rush to put it on, the  
next round of IPL's is fine. But if a hiper PTF came out got lets say  
VSAM it would go on as fast as I can schedule it (or sooner if it  
breaks something).


This was a lesson learned by me after 5 years of MVS sysproging I  
have constantly refined it over the years. Yes MVS has gotten better  
but lessons learned, it is almost always better to be safe than have  
something broke at 2AM. We don't have (anymore) mega ptf tapes thanks  
to better testing by IBM but coders are not perfect and mistakes do  
happen.


Ed

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Re: CA to IBM TCP conversion

2007-08-16 Thread Jeff Horenstein
Robert,
  We also run both stacks without problems.  All our tcp apps
can (after some effort) be switched between either.
  The biggest problem for us is the hundreds of ftp jcl whose syntax
must be tweaked to go from TCPaccess to CS: ChangeMgmt, testing,
migration, remote disparate platform scripts, etc, etc resulted in the
decision to keep both stacks.
  One thing to pay attention to is your OSA config.  If you're running
nonQDIO (until recently a rqmt for TCPaccess), and you want to go
QDIO, that will take some migration planning.

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Re: linklisted load library failing

2007-08-16 Thread Debbie Mitchell
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:21:24 -0400, Peter Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

It is conceivable that there is an error in LLA, particularly if there are
multiple LNKLST sets active.



The really strange thing is that an IPL is what broke it.  We verified this
by IPLing our Test LPAR today.  What worked there yesterday no longer works
after the IPL.

Tomorrow morning I plan to move the library having the problems up in the
linklist concatenation (currently it's nearly last) to see if that has any
impact.  

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Re: Age Poll Results: 49.47

2007-08-16 Thread Ed Gould

On Aug 16, 2007, at 12:08 PM, Craddock, Chris wrote:


Bob Shannon said

I had the opposite experience. As a rookie I went to classes all the

time.

Ah, the good old days  ;-)


Me too. My boss used to bring the IBM education catalog around every
quarter and I'd have to pick something relevant. By the time I'd got
through all of the MVS-specific stuff, it got progressively less
relevant to my MVS perf/tune/cap role but still great.



Chris:

At the last place I worked, the boss was asked to approve a course in  
JAVA for one of the sysprogs. This was a (non ibm class) and was told  
that it wasn't pertinent to the job so he didn't approve it. The guy  
went ahead and took the course and guess what, a JAVA issue came up.  
The guy said he wasn't trained in it so they had to bring in a  
specialist to figure out what the issue was.


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Re: linklisted load library failing

2007-08-16 Thread Debbie Mitchell
  Silly question but is the catalog entry for the dataset in question 
 pointing to one volume but the linklist entry pointing to a different 
 volume?

No.  The dataset is cataloged in the mastercat and the volume isn't 
specified in PROGxx.  Thanks for the thought though.

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Re: linklisted load library failing

2007-08-16 Thread Mark Jacobs

Debbie Mitchell wrote:

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:21:24 -0400, Peter Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

It is conceivable that there is an error in LLA, particularly if there are
multiple LNKLST sets active.



  


The really strange thing is that an IPL is what broke it.  We verified this
by IPLing our Test LPAR today.  What worked there yesterday no longer works
after the IPL.

Tomorrow morning I plan to move the library having the problems up in the
linklist concatenation (currently it's nearly last) to see if that has any
impact.  


Debbie Mitchell

  


Silly question but is the catalog entry for the dataset in question 
pointing to one volume but the linklist entry pointing to a different 
volume?


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Re: linklisted load library failing

2007-08-16 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
Debbie Mitchell said:

The really strange thing is that an IPL is what broke it.  We verified
this by IPLing our Test LPAR today.  What worked 
 there yesterday no longer works after the IPL.


And you get NO errors at IPL time? Is this a physically different
SYSRES? Are there new LINKLIST libraries ahead of the one getting the
errors? What was updated, compressed, etc. since the last IPL?


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Re: linklisted load library failing

2007-08-16 Thread Debbie Mitchell
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 08/16/2007 
02:53:00 PM:


 
 And you get NO errors at IPL time? Is this a physically different
 SYSRES? Are there new LINKLIST libraries ahead of the one getting the
 errors? What was updated, compressed, etc. since the last IPL?
 

No errors at IPL.  I can't find anything different at all.  I had applied 
one PTF between IPLs and even though I was 99.9% sure that wasn't the 
problem I restored it on my test LPAR and IPL'd.  Still broken.  There are 
no new linklist libraries ahead of or behind this library.  The one 
linklist library I don't have any control over, however, is ahead of this 
one in the linklist.  It's an application library.  That's why I'm going 
to try moving the problem library up in the contatenation tomorrow.  But 
even if that (or some other) library was compressed, updated, etc. since 
the last  production IPL, we just IPL'd our test LPAR today and 
immediately tested.  NOW it's broken too.  Our previous IPL on test was 
7/25.  And this was all working yesterday.  Right up to today's IPL.

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Re: Listing HIPERS

2007-08-16 Thread Tergerson, John
Ed,

Joseph's question was about how to monitor HIPER fixes, not about how
and when to apply maintenance.  I try to always go through a current
round of RSU maintenance before a product goes into production to keep
it as current as possible just as Tom described.  

As Debbie pointed out, PSP buckets are important too, expecially because
of issues other than maintenance.

OOPS! Gotta run outside now and retrieve Junior before the lawn service
comes to mow!

John


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Behalf Of Ed Gould
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 2:42 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Listing HIPERS

On Aug 16, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Tergerson, John wrote:

 SNIP__
 Ed, if you really have nothing better to do than look every half hour 
 for additional HIPER maintenance, you really need a life :)  Yesterday

 is current enough for me.

 John



If that is what is good for you fine, personally I would expect no less
from anyone. I would also expect to monitor all new hipers for at least
a week (or two) after maintenance goes on. I do have a life but
maintenance is part of it and if you had a baby would you leave it out
on the front lawn because you have checked the neighborhood for wolves
(and found none) ?

When my baby goes into production I am in proactive mode not reactive.
I don't wait for the wolf to come to my street corner. i also monitor
logrec and system dumps all the time. That is how you find things that
are in the process of breaking.

Saying that, not all hipers are really important. If there is one out
there for a component we don't use I don't rush to put it on, the next
round of IPL's is fine. But if a hiper PTF came out got lets say VSAM it
would go on as fast as I can schedule it (or sooner if it breaks
something).

This was a lesson learned by me after 5 years of MVS sysproging I have
constantly refined it over the years. Yes MVS has gotten better but
lessons learned, it is almost always better to be safe than have
something broke at 2AM. We don't have (anymore) mega ptf tapes thanks to
better testing by IBM but coders are not perfect and mistakes do happen.

Ed

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Re: Listing HIPERS

2007-08-16 Thread Steve Runtsch
Ed Gould wrote on 08/16/2007 09:51:55 AM:

 True but its only as current as the easy enhanced holddata.

I agree completely.  Enhanced holddata could be up to a week out-of-date.

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Re: linklisted load library failing

2007-08-16 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 8/16/2007 2:03:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Tomorrow  morning I plan to move the library having the problems up in the
linklist  concatenation (currently it's nearly last) to see if that has  any
impact.  




Without knowing what else has gone on, it's hard to say. Guess I'd start  
with VERIFY on new LNKLST PDS. Then maybe IEBCOMPR or SUPERC on old vs new  PDS.
From ISPF:TSO isrddn M failing_module should give all occurrences. Guess  I'd 
do a map on the module to see if anything else is being invoked and use SMPE  
to check for maint to called modules. If all the HOLDs are satisfied I'd be 
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Re: Listing HIPERS

2007-08-16 Thread Clark Morris
On 16 Aug 2007 09:24:57 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:09:37 -0400, Sumi, Joseph J. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

What I will probably do is to have the programmers use IBMLINK ASAP and
enter FMID's to track their productsI still would have thought that
there was a way to put in a date range and get back a 1-line description
of the HIPER PTF, FMID, Componenet, Date, Description.

The Enhanced Hold Data output is ugly (or I'm pulling it incorrectly),
FYI: Is this what you guys see ??

What is it that you are trying to accomplish?  As has been mentioned, the 
enhanced holddata is intended to tell SMP/E about holds and resolutions.  
Have you received the enhanced holddata and run a report errorsysmods 
report as has been suggested?  It tells about all known errors in your target 
zone(s) and any available resolving PTFs.
Does the report ERROR SYSMODS tell you if you have an error against a
function or PTF that has been ACCEPTED?  Many years ago if the sysmod
was ACCEPTED the PE wouldn't show.

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Re: linklisted load library failing

2007-08-16 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:05:00 -0400, Debbie Mitchell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 08/16/2007
02:53:00 PM:



 And you get NO errors at IPL time? Is this a physically different
 SYSRES? Are there new LINKLIST libraries ahead of the one getting the
 errors? What was updated, compressed, etc. since the last IPL?


No errors at IPL.  I can't find anything different at all.  I had applied
one PTF between IPLs and even though I was 99.9% sure that wasn't the
problem I restored it on my test LPAR and IPL'd.  Still broken.  There are
no new linklist libraries ahead of or behind this library.  The one
linklist library I don't have any control over, however, is ahead of this
one in the linklist.  It's an application library.  That's why I'm going
to try moving the problem library up in the contatenation tomorrow.  But
even if that (or some other) library was compressed, updated, etc. since
the last  production IPL, we just IPL'd our test LPAR today and
immediately tested.  NOW it's broken too.  Our previous IPL on test was
7/25.  And this was all working yesterday.  Right up to today's IPL.

Debbie


If this is a duplicate problem, then moving it will break something in 
the application library.  You can use ISRDDN to find duplicates and
verify that prior to any IPL.   

You've had a lot of suggestions of things to look at that don't seem to
be the cause.  Why not try looking at a dump?

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Re: Age Poll Results: 49.47

2007-08-16 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:13:36 -0600, Howard Brazee 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

...
But what percentage of system programmers have employers who 
believe
this resource is worth the employer's money or the employee's time?
...

Employer's money and employee's time are two VERY different 
issues.  The moeny has to come from above but the evaluation of 
time is pretty local.  I've never had a boss (or heard of one) that 
said no to my paying my own way to SHARE.  Over the past 10 
years I think I had 2, maybe 3 paid for (and that was going twice
a year until 3 years ago).  

Of course never had a boss is pretty limited for me.  I've had only 
4 bosses over the past 20 years - 2 in the past 15.

Pat O'Keefe

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Re: Age Poll Results: 49.47

2007-08-16 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Patrick O'Keefe
 
 On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:13:36 -0600, Howard Brazee wrote:
 
 ...
 But what percentage of system programmers have employers who believe
 this resource is worth the employer's money or the employee's time?
 
 Employer's money and employee's time are two VERY 
 different issues.  The moeny has to come from above but the 
 evaluation of time is pretty local.  I've never had a boss 
 (or heard of one) that said no to my paying my own way to 
 SHARE. 

I've had exactly one (at a University, no less!) who conditioned
approval of a vacation request on NOT attending a SHARE conference, at
my own expense, scheduled for the same week.

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Re: Listing HIPERS

2007-08-16 Thread Ed Gould

On Aug 16, 2007, at 2:05 PM, Tergerson, John wrote:


Ed,

Joseph's question was about how to monitor HIPER fixes, not about how
and when to apply maintenance.  I try to always go through a current
round of RSU maintenance before a product goes into production to keep
it as current as possible just as Tom described.

As Debbie pointed out, PSP buckets are important too, expecially  
because

of issues other than maintenance.

OOPS! Gotta run outside now and retrieve Junior before the lawn  
service

comes to mow!

John



Well, the PSP buckets are not necessarily well maintained, IMO. Don't  
get me wrong they are useful but usually it takes at least one or two  
major incidents for them to make it into there (at least in years  
past). Needless to say I don't like major incidents so I would rather  
be proactive and monitor all hiper activity. IME it usually takes  
somebody bitterly complaining about X to get it into that bucket (not  
always just sometimes). IBMLINK is reasonably the only way to monitor  
*CURRENT* important issues. In the past it (at least what I have  
seen) it really takes something important to happen to get it pushed  
to the top of the crock pot. That is one of the semi unfortunate  
byproducts of not having a human at the other end of the line it is  
dependent on somebody (level 1 or level 2) to raise a red flag saying  
this is an important issue. I do not profess to be an expert in level  
1  2 but as time goes by the people in the trenches are not the  
decision makers in hipers.


Ed

ps: John, I would be more careful of your baby in the future:)

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Re: Age Poll Results: 49.47

2007-08-16 Thread Eric Bielefeld

Pat,

I'm just curious.  When you paid your way to Share, did you also take a 
weeks vacation, or did your employer pay your salary that week.


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- Original Message - 
From: Patrick O'Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  I've never had a boss (or heard of one) that
said no to my paying my own way to SHARE.  Over the past 10
years I think I had 2, maybe 3 paid for (and that was going twice
a year until 3 years ago).
Pat O'Keefe



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Re: Listing HIPERS

2007-08-16 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:44:03 -0300, Clark Morris wrote:

Does the report ERROR SYSMODS tell you if you have an error against a
function or PTF that has been ACCEPTED?  Many years ago if the sysmod
was ACCEPTED the PE wouldn't show.

AFAIK it works fine.

Did you weren't running the REPORT ERRSYSMODS against the global zone 
after doing a REJECT of what was accepted?  I'd expect those not to show 
up, since they are no longer in RECIEVE status.  IMO, the REPORT 
ERRSYSMODS of the global zone isn't very interesting.

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Re: CA to IBM TCP conversion

2007-08-16 Thread Johnston, Robert E
Thanks Ted, Dana, and Jeff for the info. Seems like FTP may be more of a
problem than I thought. All of our socket apps are vendor supplied and some
of the vendors are a bit slow to respond. I'm not even sure what socket API
some things are using.

I'm going to spend a few days experimenting with both stacks and then make a
decision on what to do. I think I just IPLed in CINET mode for the first
time, although I just have the IBM stack started at the moment. BTW, all work
is being done in a test LPAR :). 

I don't get much direction here from mgmt. My orders amount to get
everything done as soon as possible!. If we want to get 1.7 in production
ASAP we probably should forget about IBM TCP for now and get on with app
testing using CA. Maybe not, though. Right now I could bug y'all to death
with questions.

I shall return to lurker status for now. If anyone else has something to say,
please do. I'll be around...

Thanks,
Robert


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Re: CA to IBM TCP conversion

2007-08-16 Thread Lester, Bob
  -Original Message-
  From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of Johnston, Robert E
  Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 3:35 PM
  To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
  Subject: Re: CA to IBM TCP conversion
  
  I don't get much direction here from mgmt. My orders amount to get
  everything done as soon as possible!. If we want to get 1.7 in
  production
  ASAP we probably should forget about IBM TCP for now and get on with
app
  testing using CA. Maybe not, though. Right now I could bug y'all to
death
  with questions.
  
  I shall return to lurker status for now. If anyone else has something
to
  say,
  please do. I'll be around

   Hi Robert,

 We did this conversion a few years ago.  The FTP (batch) input
DDNAME is different from CA to IBM TCPIP.  The syntax in general (and
the search order!) is also different.

 We run 2 monoplexes with dedicated OSAs in our CEC, so our
configuration is pretty simple.

 Give a holler if you need some help.  If you have a list of
questions ready, send them to me off-list and I'll try to help.

Bob Lester
Technical Services
OppenheimerFunds
Centennial, CO 
USA
Blester (at) Oppenheimerfunds (dot) com

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Re: Age Poll Results: 49.47

2007-08-16 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:29:36 -0500, Eric Bielefeld eric-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

...
I'm just curious.  When you paid your way to Share, did you also take 
a
weeks vacation, or did your employer pay your salary that week.
...

I should have clarified that.  The 2 bosses in question recognized that 
this was time well spent and did not count it towards vacation.  This
was work, or training, or such.

BTW, these were people that had been techies in former lives.  They 
were rare technicians that actually became good managers.  They 
recognized the value of free (for the company) training.  They also 
new from interviews that I value SHARE very much and probably 
would not stay at the job long if I couldn't regularly attend.  

Pat O'Keefe

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Re: linklisted load library failing

2007-08-16 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:05:00 -0400, Debbie Mitchell 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

...
No errors at IPL.  I can't find anything different at all.  I had applied
one PTF between IPLs and even though I was 99.9% sure that 
wasn't the
problem I restored it on my test LPAR and IPL'd.  Still broken.  ...
...

If it were extent related, the restore (assuming you mean an SMP
RESTORE, not some dataset backup and restore) would not have
fixed it, but unless you were at the max number, the IPL would have
picked up the new extent.

Does anything in the library work, or is the whole thing hosed over?
If it effects all modules, is it the same symptom for each module?  
(That may have already been answered.  If so, sorry.)

Pat LO'Keefe

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Re: JCL passing parms to ASM module?

2007-08-16 Thread Chris Mason

Tim

Does nobody bother with commas any more? g

I refer to statements such as L 2,0(1) or LH 15,0(2). (I'm a bit uncertain 
about LR 14,2(2)!)


I have to admit that I also didn't bother from the time I was first taught 
assembler up until the time I rewrote an assembler program for a benchmark - 
converting packed decimal instructions to binary[1] - and ran it by a local 
guru - an elapsed time of 5 years or so.


The guru explained to me that a comma was necessary in order to ensure that 
the base register was used rather than the index register. This mattered 
with S/360 hardware; using the base register was faster than using the 
index register - where you needed just one or the other, of course.


However I vaguely remember raising this issue before in the list and being 
told that it no longer mattered - and probably hasn't for eons. So perhaps 
you can forget everything I said!


In case there are those who wonder what on earth I've been talking about, 
the way I forced myself to become habitual for writing those instructions is 
L 2,0(,1) and LH 15,0(,2).[2]


Chris Mason

[1] Which concerned the grading of exam results and was heavy on 
mathematical manipulations - including an estimate of standard deviation.


[2] Unfortunately the benchmark environment was BPS tape - the guru was an 
MFT/MVT person - and I was obliged to hammer the 029 card punch and replace 
all the L 2,0(,1) and LH 15,0(,2) type instructions with L 2,0(0,1) and LH 
15,0(0,2).


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From: Hare, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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There are people with more ASM experience than I on this list, but the OP 
did not show any entry housekeeping for register preservation; and at the 
least the parameter list needs to be extracted prior to using system macros 
(as someone pointed out, OPEN broke it by using R1).


Also, with PARM usage, does R1 point to a pointer to the parm field? If so, 
the OP code


L 2,0(1)

is correct, otherwise, if R1 points to the PARM directly, it's going to mess 
up.


The OP should also not skip the length field, but rather use it to move the 
parm:


LA 0,PARMLISTPoint to target
LA 1,7   Target is 7 characters
LR 14,2(2)   Point to parameter area (from R2 above)
LH 15,0(2)   Length (again depending on R2)
O  15,=x'4000'   Pad with blanks
MVCL 0,14Move up to 7 chars into area = by R0


Tim Hare
Senior Systems Programmer
Florida Department of Transportation
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Peter Pfaffner passed away

2007-08-16 Thread Roland Schiradin
 
I'm sorry to say Peter Pfaffner at the age of 49 passed away. 
He was subscribed and post from time to time. 
He wasn't very active in the community but a great loss for me.

For those that knew Peter.

Roland

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Re: SHARE Snubbery Report

2007-08-16 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:43:17 -0500, Weidt, James wrote:

Well I just setup a rule to auto delete snubbery reports...

So take that!!!


Snubbing the Snubbery reports  I sense a paradox coming on.

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Re: JCL passing parms to ASM module?

2007-08-16 Thread Wayne Driscoll
Chris,
Actually, the comma still matters, especially since access registers
came out with ESA back in the late 80's.  In ARMODE mode,
L   R2,0(R2)
And 
L   R2,0(,R2)
Will have differently if AR2 contains anything other than 0.  In the
first case, since AR's are only used with BASE registers, the AR is
ignored, so the data will ALWAYS come from the primary address space.
In the second case, ALET translation will be performed, so the data will
come from the address space located via AR2.

Wayne Driscoll
Product Developer
JME Software LLC
NOTE:  All opinions are strictly my own.




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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Chris Mason
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:55 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: JCL passing parms to ASM module?

Tim

Does nobody bother with commas any more? g

I refer to statements such as L 2,0(1) or LH 15,0(2). (I'm a bit
uncertain 
about LR 14,2(2)!)

I have to admit that I also didn't bother from the time I was first
taught 
assembler up until the time I rewrote an assembler program for a
benchmark - 
converting packed decimal instructions to binary[1] - and ran it by a
local 
guru - an elapsed time of 5 years or so.

The guru explained to me that a comma was necessary in order to ensure
that 
the base register was used rather than the index register. This
mattered 
with S/360 hardware; using the base register was faster than using
the 
index register - where you needed just one or the other, of course.

However I vaguely remember raising this issue before in the list and
being 
told that it no longer mattered - and probably hasn't for eons. So
perhaps 
you can forget everything I said!

In case there are those who wonder what on earth I've been talking
about, 
the way I forced myself to become habitual for writing those
instructions is 
L 2,0(,1) and LH 15,0(,2).[2]

Chris Mason

[1] Which concerned the grading of exam results and was heavy on 
mathematical manipulations - including an estimate of standard
deviation.

[2] Unfortunately the benchmark environment was BPS tape - the guru was
an 
MFT/MVT person - and I was obliged to hammer the 029 card punch and
replace 
all the L 2,0(,1) and LH 15,0(,2) type instructions with L 2,0(0,1) and
LH 
15,0(0,2).

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Re: Peter Pfaffner passed away

2007-08-16 Thread Rick Fochtman

-snip---

I'm sorry to say Peter Pfaffner at the age of 49 passed away. 
He was subscribed and post from time to time. 
He wasn't very active in the community but a great loss for me.


For those that knew Peter.

Roland
 


--unsnip-
I offer my condolences. Loss of a friend is always hard.

Rick

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Re: Consolxx question with ICC

2007-08-16 Thread Andy White
Thanks Bruce, I also have SMCS consoles configured for us to use. My thing 
was and I think you answered it. Where do you IPL from and have NIP 
messages go to. I guess through the HMC (even though its ugly it does work). 

Then I can have them use either a icc or smcs to logon after the IPL. The 
problem is we still reply to JES2 and some messages before our automation 
kicks in. 
We may have to rethink it. 

Thanks for the reply
Andy


You don't need any physical consoles..z/OS seems to run real fine.

We have a few sysplex's here setup without any physical consolesno
3x74's, no 2074's, no Visara, no ICC.

For console access, we use:-

1:  HMC Operator Messages interface
2:  SMCS consoles work real fine, especially in multi-lpar sysplex.



I recommend you investigate SMCS consoles.

Regards
Bruce Hewson



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Re: Shooting of Commands

2007-08-16 Thread Brian Westerman
I don't want to do marketing's job, but we sell a product ($1,500 per year)
that allows you to issue any command (MVS or JES, CICS, DB/2 etc.) at any
time of day, any day of week, and on any frequency, (i.e. only on Mondays,
or only the first of the month, etc.).  It also allows you to schedule JOBs
with those same time and frequency parameters.  

It's one of our 3 main Automation products, the other two allow scripting of
commands based on IF/THEN/ELSE logic and also incidentally time of day.  The
third one allows you to offload output from the spool and have it managed,
and available in a far better way with more options for sending it (FTP,
EMAIL, etc.) and maintaining it for long periods of time, (Migrate, backup,
etc.)

All three of these facilities are available at the same price for the
duration of the product roll-out of the new versions of each one, (I think
the offer ends in September), but the license charge for the product remains
the same for people who purchased under the special offer, even though the
normal price goes back into effect for everyone else.

You can get information on them from the marketing web site
www.SyzygyInc.Net , and again, sorry for the marketing break above.

Brian Westerman

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Operating System #6 for the IBM Mainframe: Solaris

2007-08-16 Thread Timothy Sipples
If you haven't read the news yet, IBM and Sun announced a new
collaboration.  From press accounts it would appear the two companies' next
action is to bring Solaris to the IBM mainframe.

There are some more details on the Mainframe Blog here:

http://mainframe.typepad.com/blog/2007/08/introducing-the.html

- - - - -
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IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect
Specializing in Software Architectures Related to System z
Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan and IBM Asia-Pacific
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Re: Operating System #6 for the IBM Mainframe: Solaris

2007-08-16 Thread legolas wood

Hi
That is a very good news as I know Solaris to some extent. But it will 
take very long time until the Solaris and its complementary components 
(N1 Grid) become available on System Z. maybe more than 2 years? :-)


Thanks
Timothy Sipples wrote:

If you haven't read the news yet, IBM and Sun announced a new
collaboration.  From press accounts it would appear the two companies' next
action is to bring Solaris to the IBM mainframe.

There are some more details on the Mainframe Blog here:

http://mainframe.typepad.com/blog/2007/08/introducing-the.html

- - - - -
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IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect
Specializing in Software Architectures Related to System z
Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan and IBM Asia-Pacific
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: linklisted load library failing

2007-08-16 Thread Barbara Nitz
As Peter Relson already asked: What exactly are the abend0C4s/0C1s? Which 
module, for the 0C4 which reason code? Take a look at the dumps!
Barbara Nitz
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Re: JCL passing parms to ASM module?

2007-08-16 Thread John Ticic
-- snip --
The OPEN broke it!
.
.
I don't believe I have any entry housekeeping that could break R1:


   BALR  3,0
   USING *,3
   OPEN (SYSPRINT,OUTPUT)
   L 2,0(1)   *copy parm addr into R2
etc...

-- snip --

Taking a look at the assembler output (using PRINT GEN), will show you the
macro expansion. It then becomes apparent what happen to R1 before you
tried to copy the parm.

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Re: Consolxx question with ICC

2007-08-16 Thread Bruce Hewson
Hello Andy,

As you surmise, IPL and NIP message processing happens on the HMC...one 
machine does bothno need to go find the other console for NIP messages.
(our IODF has empty NIPCONs lists).

Since we are sysplexed, we usually IPL a system into an active sysplex, and 
once MVS gets up far enough, the messages appear on the other systems 
SMCS console. 

So replying to any MVS message is easy, no need to fuss on HMC.

there are previous posts on setting up CONSOLxx member for HMC support in 
the archives.

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:53:54 -0500, Andy White [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

Thanks Bruce, I also have SMCS consoles configured for us to use. My thing
was and I think you answered it. Where do you IPL from and have NIP
messages go to. I guess through the HMC (even though its ugly it does work).

Then I can have them use either a icc or smcs to logon after the IPL. The
problem is we still reply to JES2 and some messages before our automation
kicks in.
We may have to rethink it.

Thanks for the reply
Andy


Regards
Bruce Hewson

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