Re: Got burned by the FORCE COMMAND ?
Jim Mulder wrote: Other than using the FORCE completion code (A22) instead of the CANCEL completion code (222), I am not aware of any differences between the result of a CANCEL and a FORCE ARM. Well, I think we can now all take that as axiomatic. Thanks Jim - I often wondered about the difference. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM DFRMM Reporting
The most recent SHARE presentation is in the proceedings here http://ew.share.org/proceedingmod/abstract.cfm?abstract_id=18210 3054 - DFSMS Basics: Storage Reporting (San Jose Summer 2008) Mike Wood RMM Development -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM 2066-002 Adding Spare CP as IFL
Rich Smrcina writes: If you get your POC started on the z800 make sure that everyone has the right expectations. The z800 is no speed demon. At ~192MIPS each, these IFLs are going to be downright slow. The expectation should be function, not performance. Sage advice -- I totally agree. But it's not just the MIPS rating. There has been even more performance progress from z800 to z10 BC for many Linux workloads than the top line numbers suggest. And keep in mind that expanding a 2066-002 to a 2066-003 for z/OS is adding something closer to 149 MIPS, not 192. Which isn't an entirely fair assessment either, but you get the point. All of which is why those MIPS numbers are so perilous, but we all know that by now, right? :-) Note that for functional tests there's no technical impediment to using any desired fraction of CPs at any moment in time. CPs are general purpose processors. They run anything that can run on a mainframe, including Linux. You don't have to ring IBM for that, but Patrick, please talk with your IBM rep. He or she will probably want the opportunity to point out that it's not generally a good economic idea to plunk down new IFL money on an N-3 generation machine with 60 MSUs, even if IBM is willing to take your money. However, he or she will undoubtedly be highly motivated to reach a mutually agreeable solution if at all possible. And then, if reason and logic prevail among all parties, you can ship me your z800. Just let me know when you're ready, and I'll send you my shipping address. Many thanks in advance. :-) - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan / Asia-Pacific E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: strange ICHRDSNT problem
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Gibney, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds Scary. Are you really updating ICHDSNT on the fly in a live system. Hope it IPLs ) Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State Univsersity Where did I mention a production system. It's actually in test at the moment. Jim McAlpine -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Full .PDF downloads for Mainframe Executive after the premier issue?
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:12:13 +0800, Andrew Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Issue 1 http://www.mainframe-exec.com/digital.MAR-APR08.z3r2/ Issue 2 http://www.mainframe-exec.com/digital.MAY-JUN08.s3r7/ Issue 3 http://www.mainframe-exec.com/digital.JUL-AUG08.e4h3/ Issue 4 http://www.mainframe-exec.com/digital.SEP-OCT08.r2d2/ Issue 5 http://www.mainframe-exec.com/digital.NOV-DEC08.r3s6/ Don't know what the rationale is behind the last suffixes (z3r2, etc...) how you got them, Andy. But another way is to tackle the Monthly Archives. http://www.mainframe-exec.com/articles/ November 2008 http://www.mainframe-exec.com/articles/?m=200811 October 2008 http://www.mainframe-exec.com/articles/?m=200810 September 2008 http://www.mainframe-exec.com/articles/?m=200809 August 2008 http://www.mainframe-exec.com/articles/?m=200808 July 2008 http://www.mainframe-exec.com/articles/?m=200807 June 2008 http://www.mainframe-exec.com/articles/?m=200806 May 2008 http://www.mainframe-exec.com/articles/?m=200805 April 2008 http://www.mainframe-exec.com/articles/?m=200804 March 2008 http://www.mainframe-exec.com/articles/?m=200803 jan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Full .PDF downloads for Mainframe Executive after the premier issue?
SNIP Don't know what the rationale is behind the last suffixes (z3r2, etc...) how you got them, Andy. /SNIP Hi Jan, It's getting PDF's that's the issue... I can't seem to get to the PDF downloads from the monthly web links you provided (but I might just be missing the obvious). The links with the apparently random suffixes are the ones that are sent out by the ME team to their digital subscribers, which allow you to download the PDF version. I'm not really sure of the reason for the suffixes. My guess would be to randomize the links and make them less predictable. I believe these magazines are advertising funded; thus to stay in business, they need the subscriber numbers to justify advertising prices. If they made it easy to find the PDF's on-line, there would be no need to subscribe. Well.. that's my speculation anyway.. I could be completely wrong... I would love to find links to the zJournal archive in PDF format. Cheers, Andy -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Got burned by the FORCE COMMAND ?
Yes. I have at least two instances I can recall where we had to IPL following use of FORCE. The more recent involved damage to a JES2 control block that was not repairable using a WARM start but was still some years ago. IBM put that warning in the manual for a reason and you should pay attention to it. Our firm policy is that Operators are not permitted to issue MVS FORCE or utility/monitor KILL (MEMTERM) commands. If they cannot terminate something using CANCEL they have to page the systems programming staff and we make every attempt to get root cause on why CANCEL will not succeed in addition to trying to remove whatever the unit of work is. We would never put FORCE in AUTOMATION. My Rule Of Thumb is Avoid Excessive use of FORCE! Always try CANCEL at least 10 more times waiting at least 10 seconds between attempts beyond when you tried it before and found it did not work promptly. You would be surprised how often this works. Frequently there is another subtask or layer of recovery that when kicked a few more times gives up and dies. Check for outstanding WTORs Check for DFSMShsm recalls in progress connected to this work. DFHSMShsm and DFSMSdfp will keep CANCEL from succeeding but don't put out any message to show you this is what is happening. This is an area the east and west coast should get together on and fix it! Check RMF III (or your equivalent) to see what the task was doing when it was healthier and after it was CANCELed and did not terminate Check logrec and SYSLOG and see might have happened you missed Take a console dump of the task and asid 1 even if it is messy and after the whole thing started to go south better to have some doc than none Always open a PMR, involve management and apprise them of the potential for an outage, WAIT till outside of prime time unless the alternative is an immediate IPL. This part has helped IBM and other vendors to resolve a number of bugs over the years and it is worthwhile to improve life for everyone. When possible we open the PMR BEFORE using FORCE and ask IBM for help in making the decision to use FORCE, what additional documentation we might gather, etc. We train like we fight i.e. same due diligence on development LPARs as PROD ON-LINE LPARs otherwise how would you learn? For work which just might be marked non-cancelable try FORCE ARM just an industrial strength CANCEL If you are prepared to IPL use FORCE! So you cannot run a batch job with a particular name or delete and allocate data sets with these 12 unique names is it really worth risking a 1 in 100 shot of taking down an LPAR while anything is depending on interactive applications? Everything people get into a spot where they feel they have to do something without thinking it through and really looking at the alternative of doing nothing or waiting I think of this scene in the movie BACKDRAFT :-) Donald 'Shadow' Rimgale: So stop me if I got this wrong. Now the fire is almost out, you're upstairs on the unburned floor checking for heat, is that correct? And you've been told by your Battalion Chief, your Captain and by me not to do nothin', right? Not to do nothin' until ordered. That's correct, right? Candidate: Yes, sir. Donald 'Shadow' Rimgale: Ok. But now the itch starts. The 'Glory Boy' flash starts. 'Hey, I'm a hero. Heroes don't just stand around.' You can tell me, that's what it was, wasn't it? Candidate: Yes, sir. Donald 'Shadow' Rimgale: So you punched out a window for ventilation. Was that before or after you noticed you were standing in a lake of gasoline? [shouting] Donald 'Shadow' Rimgale: Was that BEFORE OR AFTER you noticed you were standing in a lake of GASOLINE, YOU IDIOT? Candidate: Before, sir. Donald 'Shadow' Rimgale: You could have burned or killed or crispened half that company! To say nothing of the fact that you wrecked the physical evidence that I use to prove that it's arson, and you know how hard it is to determine the cause of these fires! Now you go home and you think about that! Best Regards, Sam Knutson, GEICO System z Performance and Availability Management mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (office) 301.986.3574 (cell) 301.996.1318 Think big, act bold, start simple, grow fast... This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email/fax is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all paper and electronic copies of the original message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at
Re: IBM 2066-002 Adding Spare CP as IFL
I understood the performance implications, this was basically a functional POC and at this point I don't see us moving ahead on this type processor. The 2066-002, on the floor, was picked as a starting point. I'm not involved in the haggling part of the process but I'm sure the necessary individuals are already working on other potential opportunities. Thanks for your replies. --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Timothy Sipples [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Timothy Sipples [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IBM 2066-002 Adding Spare CP as IFL To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 9:07 AM Rich Smrcina writes: If you get your POC started on the z800 make sure that everyone has the right expectations. The z800 is no speed demon. At ~192MIPS each, these IFLs are going to be downright slow. The expectation should be function, not performance. Sage advice -- I totally agree. But it's not just the MIPS rating. There has been even more performance progress from z800 to z10 BC for many Linux workloads than the top line numbers suggest. And keep in mind that expanding a 2066-002 to a 2066-003 for z/OS is adding something closer to 149 MIPS, not 192. Which isn't an entirely fair assessment either, but you get the point. All of which is why those MIPS numbers are so perilous, but we all know that by now, right? :-) Note that for functional tests there's no technical impediment to using any desired fraction of CPs at any moment in time. CPs are general purpose processors. They run anything that can run on a mainframe, including Linux. You don't have to ring IBM for that, but Patrick, please talk with your IBM rep. He or she will probably want the opportunity to point out that it's not generally a good economic idea to plunk down new IFL money on an N-3 generation machine with 60 MSUs, even if IBM is willing to take your money. However, he or she will undoubtedly be highly motivated to reach a mutually agreeable solution if at all possible. And then, if reason and logic prevail among all parties, you can ship me your z800. Just let me know when you're ready, and I'll send you my shipping address. Many thanks in advance. :-) - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan / Asia-Pacific E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: lbdsoftware
Works now from ohio thanks -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lionel B Dyck Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 3:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: lbdsoftware I've opened a trouble ticket with my hosting provider - sorry for the challenges as I know none of us needs yet another challenge Lionel B. Dyck, Consultant/Specialist Enterprise Platform Services, Mainframe Engineering KP-IT Enterprise Engineering 925-926-5332 (8-473-5332) | E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: lbdyck | Yahoo IM: lbdyck Kaiser Service Credo: Our cause is health. Our passion is service. We're here to make lives better. I never guess. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. - Sir Arthur Conan Doyle NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html DISCLAIMER: The information contained in this message may be privileged or confidential and is protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Full .PDF downloads for Mainframe Executive after the premier issue?
SNIP It's getting PDF's that's the issue... I can't seem to get to the PDF downloads from the monthly web links you provided (but I might just be missing the obvious). /SNIP You're right, Andy, no links to the bi-montly full PDS on that Montly Archives link. I just mentioned it because you can get the articles one by one that way. Plus there is also a search field on that archive window. Cheers, Jan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Got burned by the FORCE COMMAND ?
The subject is an interesting, but I'd say wrong, way of putting it. It's not the command that burns anyone. What burned you was either -- your choice to terminate something that did not intend to be terminated in that way and you suffered the consequences -- the lack of proper recovery of the thing you terminated If the choice was between trying that and re-IPLing the system, then you didn't get burned, you just took a shot, hoped for the best, and the best didn't pan out. Peter Relson z/OS Core Technology Design -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
FW: HSM weirdness
Forwarded on behalf of a colleague.. _ Back when we were rolling out Z/OS 1.9 I updated the HSM parmlib to add these comments - /* NEW PARM FOR Z/OS 1.9 VIA UA39499 */ /* SETSYS DSSXMMODE(N/Y) */ We never installed UA39499 .. A snippet from the APAR - The address space identifier for each function will be in the format of ARCn, where 'n' will represent the unique DFSMShsm host ID and '' will represent the DFSMShsm function. The following functional abbreviations will be used for '' Dump - DUMP Full Volume Recover = REST Migration = MIGR Backup = BKUP Data Set Recover = RCVR CDS Backup = CDSB In a nutshell DSSXMMODE=YES A DFSMSdss address space is started automatically via the cross memory interface whenever a dump, full volume recover, migration, backup, dataset recover, or CDS backup function is first invoked. The address space terminates when DFSMShsm terminates. DSSXMMODE=NO DFSMSdss will NOT be used in the DFSMShsm ASID for dump, full volume recover, migration, backup, dataset recover, or CD backup functions. DFSMShsm R190 has changed the default mode, for DFSMSdss in its own asid, from ON to OFF. OFF is the default setting in releases prior to R190 I was looking at TMONMVS and saw these - JOBNAMEDP ASID ASIX STEPNAME PROGNAME NUMBER /TERMID ARC3BKUP EC29 001D ARC3BKUP ADRXMAIB STC02727 STC ARC3MIGR EC 296 0128 ARC3MIGR ADRXMAIB STC02953 STC JOBNAMEDP ASID ASIX STEPNAME PROGNAME NUMBER /TERMID ARC2MIGR F068 0044 ARC2MIGR ADRXMAIB STC15768 STC ARC2BKUP F0 154 009A ARC2BKUP ADRXMAIB STC15717 STC They don't display in SDSF but if issued in SYSLOG via D A,ARC* they will So how is this working? TIA, -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TSSO issuing command to CICS
I have defined consoles including Internal, subsystem, etc. Apparently TSSO is using console number 000 and not a console name. With CICS 3.1 you can not define a console by number. Issuing commands thru TSSO to CICS 3.1 worked fine until upgrading to z/OS 1.9. Craig -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Westerman Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 2:34 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: TSSO issuing command to CICS You have to define the console ID you are issuing the commands from to CICS. The procedure for doing that is outlined in the CICS systems guide. Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: strange ICHRDSNT problem
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:35:26 -0600, Walt Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And by the way, we've made that processing more robust in z/OS R10 to try to avoid some of the problems we've seen from such incorrect parameters. But that won't help much until all the systems sharing a RACF database are at z/OS R10. Has IBM given thought to making this more robust by translating the table into an IRROPTxx parameter member? Clear text parms (with system symbol support?) perhaps increase the chances for a human to do it right. The Dynamic Parse Table was available in IRROPTxx many releases ago... this can't be that hard, so what are the arguments against it? Regards, Art Gutowski Ford Motor Company -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: strange ICHRDSNT problem
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:36:45 -0600, Arthur Gutowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:35:26 -0600, Walt Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And by the way, we've made that processing more robust in z/OS R10 to try to avoid some of the problems we've seen from such incorrect parameters. But that won't help much until all the systems sharing a RACF database are at z/OS R10. Has IBM given thought to making this more robust by translating the table into an IRROPTxx parameter member? Clear text parms (with system symbol support?) perhaps increase the chances for a human to do it right. We've considered it, and we have requirements to do so. I can't comment on when we might implement something like that, though. -- Walt Farrell, CISSP IBM STSM, z/OS Security Design -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:32:23 +0100, Barbara Nitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if an open-source .BOO reader has merit. As well as perhaps an open-source writer. I like that idea. But are you sure that IBM will disclose the .boo format? As far as I know, it is proprietary! Well, if IBM decided to release it to an open source project, it would certainly get the albatross of maintaining a piece of software at a dead loss. And many customers would be *overjoyed*. Regards, Art Gutowski Ford Motor Company -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:41:35 -0600, Arthur Gutowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:32:23 +0100, Barbara Nitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if an open-source .BOO reader has merit. As well as perhaps an open-source writer. I like that idea. But are you sure that IBM will disclose the .boo format? As far as I know, it is proprietary! And it may not be possible. Since we don't know the format, it may be licensed from a 3rd party with an NDA signed by IBM. Well, if IBM decided to release it to an open source project, it would certainly get the albatross of maintaining a piece of software at a dead loss. And many customers would be *overjoyed*. Yes, I would love it if IBM released a document on the format. It would be even more wonderful if IBM released the actual code. Regards, Art Gutowski Ford Motor Company -- John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FW: HSM weirdness
Some months ago, we had trouble with HSM's by-default use of cross memory DSS, and thus have been happily running with the OA25226 patch, listed under the Local Fix section of that APAR, to turn off DSS cross memory mode of operation. This was the recommendation of HSM level 2 to us some months ago - they may have changed their recommendation since that time, and you might want to check with IBM for any further information about this. I would queue a PMR to 5695DF170 to see what they currently suggest/recommend. I would imagine that if HSM is now recommending use of DSS cross memory mode, it would only be if the customer first installs a list of fixes to resolve known issues. Brian On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:37:24 -0600, Chase, John wrote: Forwarded on behalf of a colleague.. _ Back when we were rolling out Z/OS 1.9 I updated the HSM parmlib to add these comments - /* NEW PARM FOR Z/OS 1.9 VIA UA39499 */ /* SETSYS DSSXMMODE(N/Y) */ We never installed UA39499 .. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: PK67193 and z/OS 1.9
I'm running z/OS 1.9 with the fixing PTF (UK38942) for PK67193 and it does not fix the problem with Filezilla and directory listings. I was told by IBM support that setting up FTP to use PAGENT (Policy agent) AT-TLS instead of it's own TLS support would fix the problem. Has anyone done this? Does it fix the problem with Filezilla? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM 2066-002 Adding Spare CP as IFL
Patrick, I'm not sure of all the details, but we recently retired our 2066-002. We had two GP processors and 1 IFL active, so it's a supported configuration. IBM or a business partner should be able to help you with the configuration details. As others have pointed out, don't expect much out of this other than being able to bring up a functional system. We didn't have much memory to give that LPAR and our open systems group were very quick to point out that the IFL was a dog and why would anybody want to run there. It took the z9 upgrade to start changing minds, but a lot of the damage was already done in terms of perception and expectations. Bottom line: be careful what you put there and have very clear expectations of what it is and is not before you start. Good luck, Don Grinsell State of Montana -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM 2066-002 Adding Spare CP as IFL
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Donald Grinsell [ snip ] As others have pointed out, don't expect much out of this other than being able to bring up a functional system. We didn't have much memory to give that LPAR and our open systems group were very quick to point out that the IFL was a dog and why would anybody want to run there. It took the z9 upgrade to start changing minds, but a lot of the damage was already done in terms of perception and expectations. Proves the adage: You never get a second chance to make a first impression. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Got burned by the FORCE COMMAND ?
Ah, the details. Therein lies the rub. While there may be little difference from z/os's perspective, perhaps not so from the application's perspective. Even slight differences in resource clean up can be life or death to a specific application. In our shop, our most loved application drives the IPL decision. It's a pretty simple call. However, in a shop running many loved applications, the loss of a given application makes the situation very complicated. Personally, I classify the Force command as a last ditch effort to avoid an IPL. If the situation is not so grave as to require and IPL, then perhaps it is not so grave as to require a Force. At least, that's what I tell operations and management, and, so far, they've gone along with me. The one time someone jumped the gun ended up elongating the outage. My $0.02 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Mulder Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:31 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Got burned by the FORCE COMMAND ? IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote on 12/04/2008 02:03:17 AM: I am a bit fuzzy on force arm, but I think force arm still ensures that task termination resource managers are given control. (I am sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.) FORCE ARM is just a way to CANCEL a non-cancellable job. Other than using the FORCE completion code (A22) instead of the CANCEL completion code (222), I am not aware of any differences between the result of a CANCEL and a FORCE ARM. Of course, depending on what you are terminating, there might be recovery routines or resource managers which examine the completion code and might choose to treat A22 differently from 222. For example, I have seen recovery routines which look specifically for a completion code of 222 and avoid taking an SDUMP in that case. Jim Mulder z/OS System Test IBM Corp. Poughkeepsie, NY -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message, together with any attachment, may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, printing, saving, copying, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete all copies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Got burned by the FORCE COMMAND ?
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:42:19 -0500, Knutson, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check for DFSMShsm recalls in progress connected to this work. DFHSMShsm and DFSMSdfp will keep CANCEL from succeeding but don't put out any message to show you this is what is happening. This is an area the east and west coast should get together on and fix it! Amen Sam! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
failure connecting CICS to DB2
I'm doing some testing with CICS in z/OS 1.7 for the first time. When I start up CICS I get the following - DFHDB2042 12/04/2008 17:18:10 Z30D Connection not authorized to DB2Z I'm using a copy of the same RACF database. Has something changed that I'm not aware of. Jim McAlpine -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
failure connecting CICS to DB2
Jim, Funny this is on IBM-Main this morning. We just resolved the same issue on 1.7. It has to do with the DSNR RACF class. Please contact me offline for details on how to resolve. Jimmy Wagner (270)781-6400 x2081 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Batch ISPF Copy w/append?
Hello group, I wrote an exec that renames members of a PDS. It invokes IPSF services LMINIT, LMOPEN, LMREN, LMCLOSE and LMFREE. I looked in the V1R8 ISPF services book at LMCOPY. It appears there is no append option. I then looked at EDIT and was going to just do GETs, but I don't think this may be as easy as thought. Q). What is the best way using ISPF services to combine two members of a PDS? I am looking a combining a few of these or I would do it by hand. Q). Would FTP be a better approach because it does support append? Thank you, Dave Hansen Sr. Systems Programmer Hennepin County Disclaimer: Information in this message or an attachment may be government data and thereby subject to the Minnesota Government Data Practices Act, Minnesota Statutes, Chapter 13, may be subject to attorney-client or work product privilege, may be confidential, privileged, proprietary, or otherwise protected, and the unauthorized review, copying, retransmission, or other use or disclosure of the information is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, please immediately notify the sender of the transmission error and then promptly delete this message from your computer system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: CPU time/instruction table
I agree that it is more important to write reliable, understandable, and maintainable code, and programmer time should not be wasted trying to squeeze out that last microsecond of performance. However, knowing the general relative performance of instructions could be helpful when designing the particulars of highly used algorithm. For example, if I need to know if an integer is multiple of 1024, I could test the lower 10 bits for zero or I could divide by 1024 and check for a zero remainder. Both methods are could be considered reliable, understandable, and maintainable. For infrequently used code, it probably does not matter which method was used, but for code that will be used millions or billions of times in could make a big difference. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
TSM
Any way to allow TSM administraors to restore files without their being able to read the files, no matter where they restore them to? TIA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Can you read CA-Librarian Files without Librarian?
I am looking for a way to read Librarian files without using the CA front-end and without using the FAIR Routines. Nothing on the CBT tape looked promising. FileAid uses Librarian interfaces. Paul P -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Can you read CA-Librarian Files without Librarian?
SUBSYS=LAM? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Peplinski Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 12:10 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Can you read CA-Librarian Files without Librarian? I am looking for a way to read Librarian files without using the CA front-end and without using the FAIR Routines. Nothing on the CBT tape looked promising. FileAid uses Librarian interfaces. Paul P -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FW: HSM weirdness
John - If you have not installed the PTF that provides the function, I don't know how it could be working. Are you running z/OS 1.10...? I'm guessing that the function is built into the base code at that level since there's no PTF for 1.10. But if you are asking how you can see the ARC* address spaces by using an MVS command and not in SDSF... that's different. We are a JES3 shop and we use EJES, so YMMV, but since these address spaces are created dynamcically (ASCRE, I think), they will only appear in the ACtivity (DA) panel as ARC*. In the EJES STatus panel (not sure of the equivalent SDSF command), they will appear as IEESYSAS with a STEP name of ARC*. We have been running with that function active for quite a while now and it does work, as long as with ALL maintenance applied as well as some APAR code (!), but it does still have problems, including a serious storage leak that is currently under investigation. Larre Shiller US Social Security Administration -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
SV: Can you read CA-Librarian Files without Librarian?
Don't that require Librarian installed ? Regards, Thomas Berg __ Thomas Berg Specialist IT-U SWEDBANK -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För Staller, Allan Skickat: den 4 december 2008 19:31 Till: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Ämne: Re: Can you read CA-Librarian Files without Librarian? SUBSYS=LAM? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Peplinski Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 12:10 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Can you read CA-Librarian Files without Librarian? I am looking for a way to read Librarian files without using the CA front-end and without using the FAIR Routines. Nothing on the CBT tape looked promising. FileAid uses Librarian interfaces. Paul P -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Batch ISPF Copy w/append?
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:32:31 -0600, Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello group, I wrote an exec that renames members of a PDS. It invokes IPSF services LMINIT, LMOPEN, LMREN, LMCLOSE and LMFREE. I looked in the V1R8 ISPF services book at LMCOPY. It appears there is no append option. I then looked at EDIT and was going to just do GETs, but I don't think this may be as easy as thought. Q). What is the best way using ISPF services to combine two members of a PDS? I am looking a combining a few of these or I would do it by hand. Q). Would FTP be a better approach because it does support append? Thank you, Dave Hansen Sr. Systems Programmer Hennepin County I will start off by saying that there is absolutely NO way to append data to the end of an existing member in a PDS or PDSE. Period. No discussion. The only way to do this is to read the current member, writing the data to the PDS, then read and write the appended data. You then do a STOW REPLACE (in assembler terms) to replace the current member with the new data (change the PDS directory to point to the new data). The simplest way to do what you want is to use ISPF EDIT. Use a IMACRO (initial macro). This macro would basically read your appending data and add it to the EDIT buffer via: ADDRESS ISREDIT LINE_AFTER .ZL = DATALINE (DATA) (Note that the line to be added is in the variable named DATA) When you are finished adding data, end your macro with: ADDRESS ISREDIT SAVE ADDRESS ISREDIT END -- John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SV: Can you read CA-Librarian Files without Librarian?
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 19:48:27 +0100, Thomas Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't that require Librarian installed ? Regards, Thomas Berg Yes, it does. The format of a LIBRARIAN file is undocumented and proprietary to CA. I doubt that anybody has reverse engineered the file format. Sounds as if the OP has some old LIBRARIAN files that he needs to read, but no longer has LIBRARIAN around. IMO, it would be easier to ask if somebody on the list is still using LIBRARIAN and is willing to convert his file(s) to PDS format. -- John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Can you read CA-Librarian Files without Librarian?
I wrote: I am looking for a way to read Librarian files without using the CA front-end and without using the FAIR Routines. Nothing on the CBT tape looked promising. FileAid uses Librarian interfaces. On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:30:58 -0600, Staller, Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SUBSYS=LAM? What I am really looking for is something that can read Librarian without using Librarian. Paul P -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SV: Can you read CA-Librarian Files without Librarian?
Don't that require Librarian installed ? Grammar aside, I would say yes. CA-Librarian formats are proprietory, and not available to non-custmers. I'd say that CA would not find it in their interest to allow this. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SV: Can you read CA-Librarian Files without Librarian?
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 19:00:46 +, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't that require Librarian installed ? Grammar aside, I would say yes. CA-Librarian formats are proprietory, and not available to non-custmers. I'd say that CA would not find it in their interest to allow this. - Very true. I don't know if CAcould stop someone from doing a reverse engineering, but in these days of DCMA, I wouldn't want to try. Too expensive to fight in court. -- John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Batch ISPF Copy w/append?
Wouldn't the ISREDIT COPY command be easier than LINE_AFTER? -Original Message- From: John McKown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:54 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Batch ISPF Copy w/append? I will start off by saying that there is absolutely NO way to append data to the end of an existing member in a PDS or PDSE. Period. No discussion. The only way to do this is to read the current member, writing the data to the PDS, then read and write the appended data. You then do a STOW REPLACE (in assembler terms) to replace the current member with the new data (change the PDS directory to point to the new data). The simplest way to do what you want is to use ISPF EDIT. Use a IMACRO (initial macro). This macro would basically read your appending data and add it to the EDIT buffer via: ADDRESS ISREDIT LINE_AFTER .ZL = DATALINE (DATA) (Note that the line to be added is in the variable named DATA) When you are finished adding data, end your macro with: ADDRESS ISREDIT SAVE ADDRESS ISREDIT END -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: PK67193 and z/OS 1.9
I got the same answer, I'm not particularly pleased. Policy agent appears to be a big stick for a smaller problem. I was disappointed when I first looked at AT-TLS at how much more effort I needed to do to get it implemented in the, as yet for me, less familiar USS world. I plan to tackle it and other exploiting USS (like sftp) after I get migrated to 1.9 from my current 1.7 world. Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State Univsersity -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Mann Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: PK67193 and z/OS 1.9 I'm running z/OS 1.9 with the fixing PTF (UK38942) for PK67193 and it does not fix the problem with Filezilla and directory listings. I was told by IBM support that setting up FTP to use PAGENT (Policy agent) AT-TLS instead of it's own TLS support would fix the problem. Has anyone done this? Does it fix the problem with Filezilla? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
SV: SV: Can you read CA-Librarian Files without Librarian?
-Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För Ted MacNEIL Skickat: den 4 december 2008 20:01 Till: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Ämne: Re: SV: Can you read CA-Librarian Files without Librarian? Don't that require Librarian installed ? Grammar aside, I would say yes. Tried to save bandwidth... ;) CA-Librarian formats are proprietory, and not available to non-custmers. I'd say that CA would not find it in their interest to allow this. But I can't see how they could disallow an owner of the data to decrypt/retranslate the data to original format ? (Regardless whether the owner has a Librarian license or not.) Regards, Thomas Berg __ Thomas Berg Specialist IT-U SWEDBANK -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Custompac Question
You said (or defaulted to) leave 15% of each volume unused. Your target libraries require 1.75 volumes. They won't fit on one. If they were placed on two, each volume would have less than 12% unused. Your DLIBs require 1.08 volumes. They won't fit on one. Neither set will fit on a single volume but you could get the target libraries on only two instead of three by changing the percentage to 10%. -Original Message- From: Matt Dazzo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Custompac Question Working on installing z1.9 and have a question pertaining to the Automatic Data Set Assignment panel in custompac. This is my first go around on this. I have two empty 3390-9's that I am using for the install, one for target libs and one for dlibs. I enter these in, as displayed in the first screen shot. I then enter the create command, upon completion custompac adds 2 more target volumes and 1 more dlib volume. Can someone explain what is happening, do I need 3 mod-9 for the target libs and 2 for dlibs? Thanks. Phys. Volume Sequence Device Used + Volume TypeNumberTypeReserved -- -- TZ19P1 TARGET T013390-9 85 % Z19DLB DLIB D013390-9 85 % Type in CR command, results are below Phys. Volume Sequence Device Used + Volume TypeNumberTypeReserved -- -- TZ19P1 TARGETT013390-9 85 % TARG04 TARGETT023390-9 85 % TARG05 TARGETT033390-9 5 % Z19DLB DLIB D013390-9 85 % DLIB03 DLIB D023390-9 23 % -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SV: SV: Can you read CA-Librarian Files without Librarian?
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 20:11:34 +0100, Thomas Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För Ted MacNEIL Skickat: den 4 december 2008 20:01 Till: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Ämne: Re: SV: Can you read CA-Librarian Files without Librarian? Don't that require Librarian installed ? Grammar aside, I would say yes. Tried to save bandwidth... ;) CA-Librarian formats are proprietory, and not available to non-custmers. I'd say that CA would not find it in their interest to allow this. But I can't see how they could disallow an owner of the data to decrypt/retranslate the data to original format ? (Regardless whether the owner has a Librarian license or not.) Regards, Thomas Berg You'd think so, wouldn't you? However, we are converting from one Report Archiving and Distribution system (vendor unnamed due to fear) to another. We were going to directly read the files containing the reports. We were told if we developed such a program we would be sued by the vendor. We __had__ to use the vendor's programs to print the reports to disk where we could get them into the new system. Luckily for us, we are almost complete with this because the current product dies at the end of December (this month). -- John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SV: SV: Can you read CA-Librarian Files without Librarian?
But I can't see how they could disallow an owner of the data to decrypt/retranslate the data to original format ? (Regardless whether the owner has a Librarian license or not.) I don't know about the US. But, they can (and have) in Canada. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: REXX routines fail in Z/OS 1.9 work in Z/OS 1.7 -
On Wednesday 03 December 2008 17:36, Don Isenstadt wrote: We are currently at Z/OS 1.7 going to Z/OS 1.9. In testing we found that the TSO TALLY command fails. . I made a change in TALLY, based on code you forwarded to me. It's available here : http://gsf-soft.com/Freeware/tally102.txt I originally wrote TALLY in 1997 to manage a limited amount of 3390 disk space in a P/390. -- Gilbert Saint-Flour GSF Software http://gsf-soft.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Clist question
Having trouble with IF then else statement. the following statements works IF RECLEN GT 35 THEN - IF SUBSTR(25:31,STR(LIST)) EQ STR(SPECIAL) THEN DO SET CONNECT=STR( CONNECT NEWID GROUP(GROUP) SP) END What i'm trying to do is add and ELSE statment. else IF SUBSTR(25:31,STR(LIST)) EQ STR(operations) THEN DO SET CONNECT=STR( CONNECT NEWID GROUP(GROUP) op) It failed with S013. No Match IF . Help -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TSM
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:50:57 -0600, Bruce Wheatley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any way to allow TSM administraors to restore files without their being able to read the files, no matter where they restore them to? Not sure but: The first thing i would do is prevent your admin to restore somewhere else than the original node. If my memory is correct, you have to change the default Client Owner authority that is granted automatically to the administrator to :Client Access when you create. ( do a userid=none on the register node command or modify node) The difference being that the restore can only be made to the original node so it is impossible to do it on a different box. Then i guess it is the security of the client that takes over. I would place a call to IBM support.The TSM guys are pretty knowledgeable about their product. I used to have a test node that was my own PC for testing this kind of thing Bruno Sugliani zxnetconsult(at)free(dot)fr http://zxnetconsult.free.fr -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Clist question
Where's your 'end' in the second case? Jon L. Veilleux [EMAIL PROTECTED] (860) 636-2683 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Lover Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 2:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Clist question Having trouble with IF then else statement. the following statements works IF RECLEN GT 35 THEN - IF SUBSTR(25:31,STR(LIST)) EQ STR(SPECIAL) THEN DO SET CONNECT=STR( CONNECT NEWID GROUP(GROUP) SP) END What i'm trying to do is add and ELSE statment. else IF SUBSTR(25:31,STR(LIST)) EQ STR(operations) THEN DO SET CONNECT=STR( CONNECT NEWID GROUP(GROUP) op) It failed with S013. No Match IF . Help -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html This e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information. If you think you have received this e-mail in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this e-mail immediately. Thank you. Aetna -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Custompac Question
I use a separate pool for HFS/zFS and do SMS manage them. Moving HFS files off the SYSRES target lets the rest easily fit on 1 mod-9. Unfortunately from my point of view, it takes more than 2 (about 2.2) mod-3s to hold the z/OS 1.9 target HFS' :( Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State Univsersity -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Schwarz, Barry A Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Custompac Question You said (or defaulted to) leave 15% of each volume unused. Your target libraries require 1.75 volumes. They won't fit on one. If they were placed on two, each volume would have less than 12% unused. Your DLIBs require 1.08 volumes. They won't fit on one. Neither set will fit on a single volume but you could get the target libraries on only two instead of three by changing the percentage to 10%. -Original Message- From: Matt Dazzo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Custompac Question Working on installing z1.9 and have a question pertaining to the Automatic Data Set Assignment panel in custompac. This is my first go around on this. I have two empty 3390-9's that I am using for the install, one for target libs and one for dlibs. I enter these in, as displayed in the first screen shot. I then enter the create command, upon completion custompac adds 2 more target volumes and 1 more dlib volume. Can someone explain what is happening, do I need 3 mod-9 for the target libs and 2 for dlibs? Thanks. Phys. Volume Sequence Device Used + Volume TypeNumberTypeReserved -- -- TZ19P1 TARGET T013390-9 85 % Z19DLB DLIB D013390-9 85 % Type in CR command, results are below Phys. Volume Sequence Device Used + Volume TypeNumberTypeReserved -- -- TZ19P1 TARGETT013390-9 85 % TARG04 TARGETT023390-9 85 % TARG05 TARGETT033390-9 5 % Z19DLB DLIB D013390-9 85 % DLIB03 DLIB D023390-9 23 % -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Clist question
An S013 abend usually indicates writing to a data set that was not allocated Explanation: The error occurred during processing of an OPEN macro instruction. This system completion code is accompanied by message IEC141I. Refer to the explanation of message IEC141I for complete information about the task that was ended and for an explanation of the return code in register 15 (which is provided in the IEC141I message text). Can you post your entire stream where the error occurs? Or look in SYSLOG to see if you can find an IEC141i message. I do not see the connection between an S013 and your IF/THEN/ELSE statements. Lizette Having trouble with IF then else statement. the following statements works IF RECLEN GT 35 THEN - IF SUBSTR(25:31,STR(LIST)) EQ STR(SPECIAL) THEN DO SET CONNECT=STR( CONNECT NEWID GROUP(GROUP) SP) END What i'm trying to do is add and ELSE statment. else IF SUBSTR(25:31,STR(LIST)) EQ STR(operations) THEN DO SET CONNECT=STR( CONNECT NEWID GROUP(GROUP) op) It failed with S013. No Match IF . Help -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Clist question
Try adding a 'NOP' after the first THEN Jon L. Veilleux [EMAIL PROTECTED] (860) 636-2683 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Lover Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 2:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Clist question Having trouble with IF then else statement. the following statements works IF RECLEN GT 35 THEN - IF SUBSTR(25:31,STR(LIST)) EQ STR(SPECIAL) THEN DO SET CONNECT=STR( CONNECT NEWID GROUP(GROUP) SP) END What i'm trying to do is add and ELSE statment. else IF SUBSTR(25:31,STR(LIST)) EQ STR(operations) THEN DO SET CONNECT=STR( CONNECT NEWID GROUP(GROUP) op) It failed with S013. No Match IF . Help -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html This e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information. If you think you have received this e-mail in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this e-mail immediately. Thank you. Aetna -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Clist question
Regarding this answer, from the CLIST manual: If a null THEN or null ELSE statement is executed, control passes to the next sequential statement after the IF-THEN-ELSE sequence. Jon L. Veilleux [EMAIL PROTECTED] (860) 636-2683 -Original Message- From: Veilleux, Jon L Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:30 PM To: 'IBM Mainframe Discussion List' Subject: RE: Clist question Try adding a 'NOP' after the first THEN Jon L. Veilleux [EMAIL PROTECTED] (860) 636-2683 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Lover Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 2:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Clist question Having trouble with IF then else statement. the following statements works IF RECLEN GT 35 THEN - IF SUBSTR(25:31,STR(LIST)) EQ STR(SPECIAL) THEN DO SET CONNECT=STR( CONNECT NEWID GROUP(GROUP) SP) END What i'm trying to do is add and ELSE statment. else IF SUBSTR(25:31,STR(LIST)) EQ STR(operations) THEN DO SET CONNECT=STR( CONNECT NEWID GROUP(GROUP) op) It failed with S013. No Match IF . Help -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html This e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information. If you think you have received this e-mail in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this e-mail immediately. Thank you. Aetna -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Got burned by the FORCE COMMAND ?
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:51:33 -0500, William Bishop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... automation to escalate a P TCAS to a FORCE TCAS ... Whoo boy! I would NEVER want to see automation of a FORCE (other than maybe a FORCE ARM. Maybe.). Ok. I'm way out of my area of expertise, but paranoia often drives my nose where it doesn't belong. This is definitely one of those times. Even a mindless (i.e., automated) CANCEL can have unintended consequences., even if it cleans up everything the operating system cares about. Even if a FORCE had been safe for TCSA (which apparently was not the case), automation tends to serve as a model for more automation. It would just be a matter of time before helpful automation administrator would pick FORCE for shutting down some other stubborn address space. shudder Pat O'Keefe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Z Install 1.7 to 1.9 Options
Working on my first install and would like to get some in site on what most experienced people do for the install option. Which option do most folks use when choosing the installation type, either 'full system replacement' or 'software upgrade'? What are the pro's and con's of each. Thanks -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Got burned by the FORCE COMMAND ?
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 02:31:27 -0500, Jim Mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... FORCE ARM is just a way to CANCEL a non-cancellable job. Other than using the FORCE completion code (A22) instead of the CANCEL completion code (222), I am not aware of any differences between the result of a CANCEL and a FORCE ARM. ... Thanks for firming up what many of us assumed. But since nobody else has asked, ... What does that have to do with ARM? I understand that ARM might be able to restart a canceled non-cancelable started task while it very well might not be able to restart a FORCEd one, but that seems like a far fetched reason for the name. I personally think it's too bad FORCE anything was picked as a CANCEL for non-cancellable jobs. CANCEL jobname,FORCE would have been a lot better if FORCE just *had* to be there. I guess IBM just forgot to ask me. :-) Pat O'Keefe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: PK67193 and z/OS 1.9
I got PAGENT running for AT-TLS on a test LPAR (z/OS 1.9). It works OK with other FTP clients I tried (Core, Bluezone, MoveItFreely, FileZilla 2) but doesn't work for any of the FileZilla 3 client versions I tried, including version 3.0.11.1 which worked before with the z/OS FTP server using it's own TLS support. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Clist question
David Lover wrote: else IF SUBSTR(25:31,STR(LIST)) EQ STR(operations) THEN DO SET CONNECT=STR( CONNECT NEWID GROUP(GROUP) op) No idea on the S013 abend, but the above IF will always fail, because the second STR operand has a length of 10, while the SUBSTR specifies a length of 7(25:31). And do you really want, or need, lower case? Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, VT -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Batch ISPF Copy w/append?
John McKown wrote: I will start off by saying that there is absolutely NO way to append data to the end of an existing member in a PDS or PDSE. Period. No discussion. All generalities are false, including this one g You are correct in the general sense, however it should be obvious that when a PDS member is the last, it can be opened with BPAM, blocks added at the end, and a STOW REPLACE will create an appended member. Or you could use plain BSAM, EXCP, or STARTIO, write blocks at the end, update DS1LSTAR, and not even touch the directory entry. Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, VT -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: PK67193 and z/OS 1.9
Well, expletives included. I did have success with the Filezilla developers on an earlier issue some years back, so you might see what they say on this. And, it seems that further discussion with IBM is a possible path :) Please keep us informed, when I get my swamp drained a bit, I'll be better able to delve into this issue. Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State Univsersity -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Mann Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 12:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: PK67193 and z/OS 1.9 I got PAGENT running for AT-TLS on a test LPAR (z/OS 1.9). It works OK with other FTP clients I tried (Core, Bluezone, MoveItFreely, FileZilla 2) but doesn't work for any of the FileZilla 3 client versions I tried, including version 3.0.11.1 which worked before with the z/OS FTP server using it's own TLS support. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Got burned by the FORCE COMMAND ?
Patrick O'Keefe wrote: But since nobody else has asked, ... What does that have to do with ARM? The joys of IBM overloading its own acronyms bites again. Thems is resource managers we're talking about here, not the restart manager that came along later. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: /*PRIORITY change without JCL change
First Jes input exit (or text) What is the or text? Is this something new in JES? Any Share papers or doc references? Second our schedule (CA-ESP) submits jobs to the input Queues as their predecessors complete. Presently we have about 100 inits to run about 1500 jobs a night, so I am trying to get my 'loved ones' to the initiators quickly. As far as I know WLM cannot control this. Are you suggesting to have a very large number of initiators and just let SVCClass control who actually gets cycles? Is there a point where the number of initiators with low-priority jobs started but not getting service starts impacting higher priority jobs? (I am running z/OS 1.08) Brian Westerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 12/03/2008 11:31 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Expire Date: 12/04/2010 To IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu cc Subject Re: /*PRIORITY change without JCL change You could write it as either a JES input exit (or text) or an SMF exit, either will work fine. There are several samples on the CBT tape that you can use as a start, but none that I'm aware of that do exactly what you want. Why not use JES's WLM options instead? Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Clist question
Doesn't the ELSE also need a continuation (or an ELSE DO)? Ed Schlueter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Lover Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Clist question Having trouble with IF then else statement. the following statements works IF RECLEN GT 35 THEN - IF SUBSTR(25:31,STR(LIST)) EQ STR(SPECIAL) THEN DO SET CONNECT=STR( CONNECT NEWID GROUP(GROUP) SP) END What i'm trying to do is add and ELSE statment. else IF SUBSTR(25:31,STR(LIST)) EQ STR(operations) THEN DO SET CONNECT=STR( CONNECT NEWID GROUP(GROUP) op) It failed with S013. No Match IF . Help -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Got burned by the FORCE COMMAND ?
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote on 12/04/2008 03:46:33 PM: On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 02:31:27 -0500, Jim Mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... FORCE ARM is just a way to CANCEL a non-cancellable job. Other than using the FORCE completion code (A22) instead of the CANCEL completion code (222), I am not aware of any differences between the result of a CANCEL and a FORCE ARM. ... Thanks for firming up what many of us assumed. But since nobody else has asked, ... What does that have to do with ARM? I understand that ARM might be able to restart a canceled non-cancelable started task while it very well might not be able to restart a FORCEd one, but that seems like a far fetched reason for the name. I personally think it's too bad FORCE anything was picked as a CANCEL for non-cancellable jobs. CANCEL jobname,FORCE would have been a lot better if FORCE just *had* to be there. I guess IBM just forgot to ask me. :-) I don't know why ARM was chosen as the parameter name for FORCE ARM, and I don't see any clues in IEE3703D (the FORCE/CANCEL command processor). From the change flags, I would guess that it was added in either SP1.2 or SP2.1 (either way, that would mean it would have been designed about 30 years ago). My best guess would be that maybe it was an acronym for Allow Resource Managers. The comments in the prolog remind us that there is no connect between the ARM in FORCE ARM and the ARM restart manager component (a 1990s creation): NOTE: ARM AND ARMRESTART PARAMETERS ARE DIFFERENT IN MEANING AND ARE NOT RELATED IN ANY WAY: ARM PARAMETER CAN BE SPECIFIED WITH FORCE CMD TO TERMINATE JOB,TSO USER OR STARTED PROC, IF IT IS NON-CANCELLABLE. ARMRESTART PARAMETER CAN BE SPECIFIED WITH EITHER CANCEL OR FORCE COMMAND TO RESTART A JOB OR STARTED PROC AFTER TERMINATION, IF IT WAS REGISTERED AS AN ARM ( Automatic Restart Manager) ELEMENT. ARMRESTART PARAMETER IS INVALID WITH U= KEYWORD. And as to what FORCE ARM actually does: 5. A CANCEL OR FORCE ARM WAS ISSUED. @G860PSS @G860PSS IF THE CSCB INDICATES ASSIGNMENT PENDING, THE @G860PSS CALL TO SIC IS NOT MADE AND THE ECB IS NOT@G860PSS POSTED. THIS IS BECAUSE THE CSCB IS NOT IN THE@G860PSS PROPER FORMAT. A FORCE COMMAND CAN THEN BE@G860PSS ISSUED TO REMOVE THE TASK.@G860PSS @G860PSS IF THE TYPES MATCH, AND U= WAS SPECIFIED, @G860PSS THE BRANCH TO SIC IS TAKEN@L6C AND THE CANCEL ECB (CHCECB) IN THE CSCB IS POSTED, Y02669 WITHIN SIC, WITH ONE OF THE FOLLOWING COMPLETIONY02669 CODES: Y02669 @G860PSS COMPLETION CODECOMMAND MEANING @G860PSS ------ - @G860PSS 0122CANCEL CANCEL W/ DUMP@G860PSS 0222CANCEL CANCEL W/OUT DUMP @G860PSS 0A22FORCE ARMFORCE ARM @G860PSS @G860PSS IF A JOB CANCEL WAS SPECIFIED, @G860PSS THE ABOVE BRANCH TO SIC IS TAKEN (SIC WILL@L6C NOT POST THE CANCEL ECB FOR JOBS) @G860PSS AND THE CANCEL ECB IS POSTED WITH ONE OF THE @ZA05360 ABOVE COMPLETION CODES. BIT CHAFORCE IS TURNED ON @G17FPSS TO SHOW THAT A CANCEL OR FORCE ARM HAS BEEN @G860PSS ISSUED FOR THIS JOB. BIT ASSBNRST IS TURNED ON IF @LBA ARMRESTART PARAMETER WAS NOT SPECIFIED ON THE COMMAND @LBA Jim Mulder z/OS System Test IBM Corp. Poughkeepsie, NY -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Activation of IOCDS fails
Jerry, It may be because HW IODF activation is disabled (somehow) on Support Element of your machine. I cannot remember the exact panel, but we experienced the same situation when activating a HW IODF. It came out that IODF activation was disabled on support element(ie. during MCL upgrade etc). Regards. Mursel Tasgin Akbank From: Jerry Fuchs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 6:58:33 PM Subject: Activation of IOCDS fails This is the first time that I have had to update the IODF and IOCDS under z/OS 1.7. After activating the IODF I activate the IOCDS and it failes with the following messages ACTIVATE ACTIOCDS=A2 IEF196I IEF237I 6001 ALLOCATED TO SYS6 IEF196I IEF237I 6001 ALLOCATED TO SYS7 IEF196I IEF285I IODF.IODF02 KEPT IEF196I IEF285I VOL SER NOS= ESCATA. IEF196I IEF285I IODF.IODF02 KEPT IEF196I IEF285I VOL SER NOS= ESCATA. IOS500I ACTIVATE RESULTS 692 ACTIVATE FAILED - ERROR MESSAGE(S) ISSUED NOTE = A821,PROCESSOR DEFINITION WENDYS IN CURRENTLY ACTIVE IODF IODF.IODF02 DOES NOT MATCH CURRENT HARDWARE DEFINITION, H/W AND S/W ARE OUT OF SYNC. COMPID=SC1XL REASON=A828,KEYWORD ACTIOCDS NOT ALLOWED, ONLY SOFTWARE CHANGES ARE POSSIBLE. COMPID=SC1XL REASON=A819,ONLY SOFTWARE CHANGES ARE ALLOWED, SPECIFY SOFT FOR CONFIRMATION. COMPID=SC1XL I am at a complete loss. I use a batch job to build the IODF and IOCDS. I can send the listing from my job offline if you want to take a look at it. Thanks -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Clist question
I would probably add a LENGTH variable to account that the string length for testing my change if you second field is longer or shorter than expected. It might help to add WRITE statements to see what things look like when checking out IF tests. SET LL = LENGTH(field) IF SUBSTR(25:LL,STR(LIST) EQ STR(field) THEN DO Let me know if this is the logic you are trying to set up IF the record length is longer than 35 characters Then Check to see what field is supplied in list (like SPECIAL or OPERATIONS) Otherwise ... If this is correct, then I would code IF RECLEN 35 THEN DO IF SUBSTR(... END END Then only if the reclen is valid will the second IF statement execute. Lizette David Lover wrote: else IF SUBSTR(25:31,STR(LIST)) EQ STR(operations) THEN DO SET CONNECT=STR( CONNECT NEWID GROUP(GROUP) op) No idea on the S013 abend, but the above IF will always fail, because the second STR operand has a length of 10, while the SUBSTR specifies a length of 7(25:31). And do you really want, or need, lower case? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Got burned by the FORCE COMMAND ?
If a cancel appears not to be working one thing I would do is reset the job being canceled into a high resource service class. Sometimes tasks that appear to be hung are instead slow. On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:58 PM, rdeguz1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone got burned by issuing the Force command (without ARM) and had to re-ipl? I myself have had issued FORCE without ARM to terminate a rogue batch job that just wont budge using repeated CANCEL and KILL. I've been fortunate that night to not have had to re-IPL our system. z/OS 1.9 FORCE COMMAND WARNING Consider using the FORCE command as a last resort when the CANCEL command still fails to perform its function after you have issued it several times. Gone is the other warning that states: (circa 1996) Never use the FORCE command without understanding that - After issuing FORCE, you might have to re-IPL. something to that effect. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Glen J. Gasior (630) 712-2104 Chicago, Illinois 60611 Leadership that improves the process of change -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SV: Can you read CA-Librarian Files without Librarian?
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:56:42 -0600, John McKown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds as if the OP has some old LIBRARIAN files that he needs to read, but no longer has LIBRARIAN around. IMO, it would be easier to ask if somebody on the list is still using LIBRARIAN and is willing to convert his file(s) to PDS format. Actually I wanted to avoid the conversion of legacy data with a simple viewing function. I thought that might be more open than the other Librarian access methods. Paul -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Clist question
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:16:34 -0500, Lizette Koehler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would probably add a LENGTH variable to account that the string length for testing my change if you second field is longer or shorter than expected. It might help to add WRITE statements to see what things look like when checking out IF tests. SET LL = LENGTH(field) IF SUBSTR(25:LL,STR(LIST) EQ STR(field) THEN DO Sorry, Lizette, but that won't work. SUBSTR expects start:end, not start:length. So perhaps IF SUBSTR(25:25+LL, ...) Let me know if this is the logic you are trying to set up IF the record length is longer than 35 characters Then Check to see what field is supplied in list (like SPECIAL or OPERATIONS) Otherwise ... I'll also take this opportunity to point out that the OP's approach works for users who have SPECIAL or OPERATIONS, but not for users who have both, since he's looking only at the value starting in position 25. And really, I'd do this kind of thing in REXX, not CLIST. It's not safe to look at hard-coded positions in RACF command output, and REXX is much better at non-positional parsing of data. Even then you can have problems, because we do not consider the command output to be a programming interface, and it can change unexpectedly, but it's safer to use REXX. -- Walt Farrell, CISSP IBM STSM, z/OS Security Design -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
zIIP queue vs CP dispatch when zIIP is fully utilized
Hi, Planning to use zIIP processor and try to figure out what performance issues we may experience. When zIIP processor is fully utilized (for us: having only 1 zIIP processor, shared among LPARs of different sysplex's), if new zIIP-eligible works arrive would they be queued for the zIIP processor or get dispathed on available CPs? Does high zIIP utilization(or a single zIIP) cause CP overhead? (ie. because of queues, switching back-and-forth between zIIPs and CPs) Thanks and regards. Mursel Tasgin Akbank -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: PK67193 and z/OS 1.9
There is a pretty nice redbook for the implementation that give a decent step-by-step to get policy agent up and running. Much easier than what you find in the regular manuals. Communications Server for z/OS v1r8 TCP/IP Implemenation Volume 4: Policy-Based Network Security. Cheers, Rob Schramm Sirius Computer Solutions -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Got burned by the FORCE COMMAND ?
I've had some seemingly good results by issuing a cancel three times, waiting about a minute between each command. Almost like each cancel takes out a layer. But I do agree that a appearance of hung can be, for example, the closing of many, many open files. So my observed results might have been just the same had I simply waited. However, doing -something- seems to comfort frantic management :-) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glen Gasior Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:28 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Got burned by the FORCE COMMAND ? If a cancel appears not to be working one thing I would do is reset the job being canceled into a high resource service class. Sometimes tasks that appear to be hung are instead slow. On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:58 PM, rdeguz1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone got burned by issuing the Force command (without ARM) and had to re-ipl? I myself have had issued FORCE without ARM to terminate a rogue batch job that just wont budge using repeated CANCEL and KILL. I've been fortunate that night to not have had to re-IPL our system. z/OS 1.9 FORCE COMMAND WARNING Consider using the FORCE command as a last resort when the CANCEL command still fails to perform its function after you have issued it several times. Gone is the other warning that states: (circa 1996) Never use the FORCE command without understanding that - After issuing FORCE, you might have to re-IPL. something to that effect. NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message, together with any attachment, may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, printing, saving, copying, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete all copies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: zIIP queue vs CP dispatch when zIIP is fully utilized
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:15:04 -0800, Mursel Tasgin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Planning to use zIIP processor and try to figure out what performance issues we may experience. When zIIP processor is fully utilized (for us: having only 1 zIIP processor, shared among LPARs of different sysplex's), if new zIIP-eligible works arrive would they be queued for the zIIP processor or get dispathed on available CPs? Does high zIIP utilization(or a single zIIP) cause CP overhead? (ie. because of queues, switching back-and-forth between zIIPs and CPs) Thanks and regards. Mursel Tasgin Akbank -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html This document reference may be useful on this topic. Scott Barry SBBWorks, Inc. IBM Journal reference - topic on zIIP and zAAP: zAAPs and zIIPs: Increasing the strategic value of System z http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/rd/511/wyman.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Got burned by the FORCE COMMAND ?
In a message dated 12/4/2008 4:37:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But I do agree that a appearance of hung can be, for example, the closing of many, many open files. I once canceled a job step with about 1,000 active subtasks, a job step with the maximum allowable number of DD statements (about 1,700 at the time), and a program that was nothing but an SVC 12 (which caused an infinite loop of creating SVRBs). In each case, it took 10 or 15 minutes for the cancel function to complete normally. I probably added the DUMP option on all those CANCELs. The Large System Effect will get you every time you mess around with a huge number or amount of resources. Bill Fairchild Rocket Software **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: zIIP queue vs CP dispatch when zIIP is fully utilized
First part. depends on what you have in IEAOPT for IIPHONORPRIORITY. One was says that if the Needs Help Dispatcher needs help, it will dispatch work on the CPs (YES). The other says wait for the zIIP no matter what (NO). Second part. There is overhead to route work to a zIIP (in the range of 2-11%). zIIP processors will NOT likely be in the same Processor Core or Book as the CP the work is coming from. The largest performance implication comes from having to reload the High Speed Buffers (or Level 1 and 1.5 caches). The having to keep track SMF data and the switch rate will add a bit. Also consider the Capacity Planning part. When you add Specialty processors to the mix with CPs in an LPAR, that LPAR will now have an increased n-way MP effect. Example, if you have a 4-way LPAR and add 1 zIIP and 1 zAAP, that LPAR now behaves almost like a 6-way. And only the CPs can run general work. Remember- Specialty Processors are not for Performance reasons or increasing capacity. They are for keeping your license costs from going up when you need to add more processors. I just di a presentation on this at CAWorld, and will repeat it at Share in Austin. There will be a webcast for CA customers in mid-January. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Barry Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 SYSN 02:56 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: zIIP queue vs CP dispatch when zIIP is fully utilized On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:15:04 -0800, Mursel Tasgin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Planning to use zIIP processor and try to figure out what performance issues we may experience. When zIIP processor is fully utilized (for us: having only 1 zIIP processor, shared among LPARs of different sysplex's), if new zIIP-eligible works arrive would they be queued for the zIIP processor or get dispathed on available CPs? Does high zIIP utilization(or a single zIIP) cause CP overhead? (ie. because of queues, switching back-and-forth between zIIPs and CPs) Thanks and regards. Mursel Tasgin Akbank -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html This document reference may be useful on this topic. Scott Barry SBBWorks, Inc. IBM Journal reference - topic on zIIP and zAAP: zAAPs and zIIPs: Increasing the strategic value of System z http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/rd/511/wyman.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Dataset Auditing Related New APARs
Greetings, I noticed a couple of interesting APARs related to dataset auditing: OA24208 NEW FUNCTION - SMF 92 SubType 15 A file's security attributes for APF Authorized, Program Control, and Shared Library are maintained by Unix System Services and not by RACF or other security product. Consequently changes to these attributes had not been audited. This APAR introduces a new SMF Type 92, Subtype 15, record that will be generated when chattr() is called to change these security attributes of a file. OA25205 SMF RECORDS FOR STOW ADD/REPLACE AND DESERV PUT TO PDS OR PDSE The purpose of this APAR fix is to enhance the SMF type 42 record by providing two new subtypes. If a PDS or PDSE data set member is added or replaced there will be a new SMF 42 subtype 24 record created. If a PDS or PDSE data set member is renamed there will be a new SMF 42 subtype 25 record created. Additionally, the SMF type 42 subtype 20 for STOW initialize and the SMF type 42 subtype 21 for STOW delete have been enhanced to contain a new section to help identify the user that does either a STOW Initializa or a STOW delete. Cheers... Michael -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
z10 power problem notification
We recently had a power problem on our z10. We lost one of three refrigeration fans. The backup 'wind tunnel' fan came on and kept the machine running. Because of some communication problem, Support Center was unable to notify our Operations staff. Of course something flashed on the HMC, but largely because we have so few mainframe problems compared with other platforms, no one noticed. There were no alarming messages on the system console, which they probably would have missed also but which we could set up alerts for that *would* catch their attention. In looking at syslog, I found only this message that hinted at a problem: IWM063I WLM POLICY WAS REFRESHED DUE TO A PROCESSOR SPEED CHANGE Mildly elevated ambient temperature in the z10 had caused a degradation in CPU speed. In the short term we can trap the WLM message and create alerts, but I contend that MVS itself should issue pointed messages for the initial hardware failure and for any subsequent degradation actions. We should not for example have to delve into HMC API in order to blow the horn. Am I asking too much? . . JO.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: /*PRIORITY change without JCL change
The text refers to the Text based exits (Exit 6 for example). I think your mixing up WLM dispatching based management with JES's WLM management which allows JES to use WLM constructs to affect job selection, (i.e. who gets the initiator first). It's not all that difficult to set up, but it's a different thought process than the way JES works with /*Priority, you actually get more control. The JES2 reference guide and init and tuning guide go over how to do it, plus the WLM guides are pretty good about how to set it up. Brian Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: First Jes input exit (or text) What is the or text? Is this something new in JES? Any Share papers or doc references? Second our schedule (CA-ESP) submits jobs to the input Queues as their predecessors complete. Presently we have about 100 inits to run about 1500 jobs a night, so I am trying to get my 'loved ones' to the initiators quickly. As far as I know WLM cannot control this. Are you suggesting to have a very large number of initiators and just let SVCClass control who actually gets cycles? Is there a point where the number of initiators with low-priority jobs started but not getting service starts impacting higher priority jobs? (I am running z/OS 1.08) Brian Westerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 12/03/2008 11:31 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Expire Date: 12/04/2010 To IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu cc Subject Re: /*PRIORITY change without JCL change You could write it as either a JES input exit (or text) or an SMF exit, either will work fine. There are several samples on the CBT tape that you can use as a start, but none that I'm aware of that do exactly what you want. Why not use JES's WLM options instead? Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z10 power problem notification
No, and you'll not be the first. Wander to www.mxg.com and search the archives for that message-id. Bob Skip Robinson wrote: We recently had a power problem on our z10. We lost one of three refrigeration fans. The backup 'wind tunnel' fan came on and kept the machine running. Because of some communication problem, Support Center was unable to notify our Operations staff. Of course something flashed on the HMC, but largely because we have so few mainframe problems compared with other platforms, no one noticed. There were no alarming messages on the system console, which they probably would have missed also but which we could set up alerts for that *would* catch their attention. In looking at syslog, I found only this message that hinted at a problem: IWM063I WLM POLICY WAS REFRESHED DUE TO A PROCESSOR SPEED CHANGE Mildly elevated ambient temperature in the z10 had caused a degradation in CPU speed. In the short term we can trap the WLM message and create alerts, but I contend that MVS itself should issue pointed messages for the initial hardware failure and for any subsequent degradation actions. We should not for example have to delve into HMC API in order to blow the horn. Am I asking too much? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z10 power problem notification
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote on 12/04/2008 07:15:08 PM: We recently had a power problem on our z10. We lost one of three refrigeration fans. The backup 'wind tunnel' fan came on and kept the machine running. Because of some communication problem, Support Center was unable to notify our Operations staff. Of course something flashed on the HMC, but largely because we have so few mainframe problems compared with other platforms, no one noticed. There were no alarming messages on the system console, which they probably would have missed also but which we could set up alerts for that *would* catch their attention. In looking at syslog, I found only this message that hinted at a problem: IWM063I WLM POLICY WAS REFRESHED DUE TO A PROCESSOR SPEED CHANGE Mildly elevated ambient temperature in the z10 had caused a degradation in CPU speed. In the short term we can trap the WLM message and create alerts, but I contend that MVS itself should issue pointed messages for the initial hardware failure and for any subsequent degradation actions. We should not for example have to delve into HMC API in order to blow the horn. Am I asking too much? Yes, because MVS does not have the information you desire. We don't know anything about power supplies or refrigeration fans. All MVS knows is that the machine notified it that the processor speed changed, and MVS takes the necessary actions (like adjusting the amount of time in a service unit). I suspect you would see the same IWM063I message when the fan got repaired and the processor speed increased, or if you did a processor upgrade or downgrade which changed the speed of a processor. Jim Mulder z/OS System Test IBM Corp. Poughkeepsie, NY -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z10 power problem notification
Skip Robinson wrote: ... Because of some communication problem, Support Center was unable to notify our Operations staff... Support Center meaning IBM after the unit phoned home? This communication problem sounds like an important issue that should be corrected going forward... -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z10 power problem notification
Isn't there some way for the HMC to send an SNMP trap? I vaguely remember such a thing. -- Q: What do theoretical physicists drink beer from? A: Ein Stein. Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z10 power problem notification
Automation tools that monitor the HMC should be able to generate an alert and appropriate escalation. The WLM message does appear rather quickly after the processor slows down. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Skip Robinson Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 SYSN 04:15 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: z10 power problem notification We recently had a power problem on our z10. We lost one of three refrigeration fans. The backup 'wind tunnel' fan came on and kept the machine running. Because of some communication problem, Support Center was unable to notify our Operations staff. Of course something flashed on the HMC, but largely because we have so few mainframe problems compared with other platforms, no one noticed. There were no alarming messages on the system console, which they probably would have missed also but which we could set up alerts for that *would* catch their attention. In looking at syslog, I found only this message that hinted at a problem: IWM063I WLM POLICY WAS REFRESHED DUE TO A PROCESSOR SPEED CHANGE Mildly elevated ambient temperature in the z10 had caused a degradation in CPU speed. In the short term we can trap the WLM message and create alerts, but I contend that MVS itself should issue pointed messages for the initial hardware failure and for any subsequent degradation actions. We should not for example have to delve into HMC API in order to blow the horn. Am I asking too much? . . JO.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: zIIP queue vs CP dispatch when zIIP is fully utilized
H Commenting on your query and Norman's response. First part: This depends on which level of z/OS you are running and depends on which APARs have been applied. Norman is absolutely correct if the latest APARs have been applied. Otherwise, this is a shifting sand situation. As IBM gained more experience with specialty engines in customer environments, various APARs were issued that changed how z/OS Dispatcher manages zIIP workload. You have to look at the specific APARs installed to figure out what will really happen in your environment. Second part: The 2-11% might apply in some situations. That is a large range and I've not seen such numbers presented. It is incorrect to believe that zIIP processors will NOT likely be in the same Processor Core or Book as the CP the work is coming from. For example, if you have a single book, then it is certain that the zIIP processors WILL come from the same book. :-} If you have multiple books, then it is a probability issue as to whether the work executes on CP and zIIP in the same or different book (keep in mind that whether a Processor Unit in a book is a CP or a specialty engine is simply based what is loaded by PR/SM to the Processor Unit). With HiperDispatch, z/OS and PR/SM will attempt to keep the work on the same book (the success of this effort depends on where the zIIP is located with respect to the book that holds the CPs). The biggest performance implication is reloading L2 (not L1 or L1.5 cache). Loading L2 cache from local memory is not so much of a big deal. Loading L2 cache from a different book IS a very big deal. To give a sense of perspective, IBM describes average loading L1 from L1.5 cache as taking 1 cycle or less (the average loading operation can be less than 1 cycle because of pipeline effects), loading L1.5 cache from L2 cache takes 1-2 cycles, loading L2 cache from local memory takes perhaps 6 cycles, but loading L2 cache from another book takes about 600 cycles. It is this huge difference in the number of cycles depending on where the loading comes from that was one of the driving forces behind designing HiperDispatch. Capacity planning part: the MP overhead depends on how busy the zIIPs are with respect to CPs. For example, a mostly idle zIIP generates little MP overhead. Norman is absolutely correct about the purpose of specialty engines! There is no reason to have a specialty engine for performance reasons. As Normal wrote, specialty engines are a cost issue. Regards, Don ** Don Deese, Computer Management Sciences, Inc. Voice: (804) 776-7109 Fax: (8043) 776-7139 http://www.cpexpert.org ** At 06:45 PM 12/4/2008, you wrote: First part. depends on what you have in IEAOPT for IIPHONORPRIORITY. One was says that if the Needs Help Dispatcher needs help, it will dispatch work on the CPs (YES). The other says wait for the zIIP no matter what (NO). Second part. There is overhead to route work to a zIIP (in the range of 2-11%). zIIP processors will NOT likely be in the same Processor Core or Book as the CP the work is coming from. The largest performance implication comes from having to reload the High Speed Buffers (or Level 1 and 1.5 caches). The having to keep track SMF data and the switch rate will add a bit. Also consider the Capacity Planning part. When you add Specialty processors to the mix with CPs in an LPAR, that LPAR will now have an increased n-way MP effect. Example, if you have a 4-way LPAR and add 1 zIIP and 1 zAAP, that LPAR now behaves almost like a 6-way. And only the CPs can run general work. Remember- Specialty Processors are not for Performance reasons or increasing capacity. They are for keeping your license costs from going up when you need to add more processors. I just di a presentation on this at CAWorld, and will repeat it at Share in Austin. There will be a webcast for CA customers in mid-January. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Barry Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 SYSN 02:56 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: zIIP queue vs CP dispatch when zIIP is fully utilized On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:15:04 -0800, Mursel Tasgin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Planning to use zIIP processor and try to figure out what performance issues we may experience. When zIIP processor is fully utilized (for us: having only 1 zIIP processor, shared among LPARs of different sysplex's), if new zIIP-eligible works arrive would they be queued for the zIIP processor or get dispathed on available CPs? Does high zIIP utilization(or a single zIIP) cause CP overhead? (ie. because of queues, switching back-and-forth between zIIPs and CPs) Thanks and regards. Mursel Tasgin Akbank -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN
Re: zIIP queue vs CP dispatch when zIIP is fully utilized
Don Deese wrote: H [snip] ... Loading L2 cache from local memory is not so much of a big deal. Loading L2 cache from a different book IS a very big deal. To give a sense of perspective, IBM describes average loading L1 from L1.5 cache as taking 1 cycle or less (the average loading operation can be less than 1 cycle because of pipeline effects), loading L1.5 cache from L2 cache takes 1-2 cycles, loading L2 cache from local memory takes perhaps 6 cycles, but loading L2 cache from another book takes about 600 cycles. It is this huge difference in the number of cycles depending on where the loading comes from that was one of the driving forces behind designing HiperDispatch. H ... John Eells' SHARE presentation from San Jose suggests entirely different delay hierarchy/values: http://ew.share.org/client_files/callpapers/attach/SHARE_in_San_Jose/S2838JE115649.pdf Slide 9: Hiperdispatching -- Why? Assuming his so-called hypothetical server is a z10, he suggests: L1 cache: 1 cycle. L1.5 cache: 4 cycles Local L2 cache: 100+ cycles Remote L2 cache: 200+ cycles Real memory: 600 cycles Contrary to what you've written, it seems to make sense--to me at least--that real (uncached) memory access would be slower than remote book L2 cache access. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Batch ISPF Copy w/append?
John McKown wrote: On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:32:31 -0600, Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello group, I wrote an exec that renames members of a PDS. It invokes IPSF services LMINIT, LMOPEN, LMREN, LMCLOSE and LMFREE. I looked in the V1R8 ISPF services book at LMCOPY. It appears there is no append option. I then looked at EDIT and was going to just do GETs, but I don't think this may be as easy as thought. Q). What is the best way using ISPF services to combine two members of a PDS? I am looking a combining a few of these or I would do it by hand. Q). Would FTP be a better approach because it does support append? Thank you, Dave Hansen Sr. Systems Programmer Hennepin County I will start off by saying that there is absolutely NO way to append data to the end of an existing member in a PDS or PDSE. Period. No discussion. The only way to do this is to read the current member, writing the data to the PDS, then read and write the appended data. You then do a STOW REPLACE (in assembler terms) to replace the current member with the new data (change the PDS directory to point to the new data). The simplest way to do what you want is to use ISPF EDIT. Use a IMACRO (initial macro). This macro would basically read your appending data and add it to the EDIT buffer via: ADDRESS ISREDIT LINE_AFTER .ZL = DATALINE (DATA) (Note that the line to be added is in the variable named DATA) When you are finished adding data, end your macro with: ADDRESS ISREDIT SAVE ADDRESS ISREDIT END -- John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html In ISPF EDIT, you can use CUT/PASTE, specifically CUT APPEND or CUT name APPEND. Line commands such as CC...CC make the input selection. Walter Rue -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: a question about storage group attribution OVERFLOW and EXTEND SG NAME
Dear Kees, I have try many times with a SMF merge job, make space in SGIMSDB can only hold a primary allocation,hope SMF merged dataset could been allocated primarily in SGIMSDB and secondarily in SGSPILL according to SPACE=(CYL,(1500,500)) in JCL. But whatever i try,the merge job always give me a ABEND SB37,and i found that merged dateaset successfully allocated in SGIMSDB but failed in allocating SGSPILL. help me,please and thank you for you patience to my poor english. Zhang On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:48 PM, Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Yes. From the ISMF Help: The EXTEND SG NAME specifies the name of a storage group that datasets in the Primary storage group can extend to. Datasets that started their life in SGIMSDB can extend to SGSPILL if needed for growth. Kees. Smartcurl Zhang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Thank you,Kees You mean if I specify SGSPILL in *Extend SG Name* field of SGIMSDB storage group,some datasets might crossed these two storage group?SGSPILL and SGIMSDB? Smartcurl Zhang On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 8:21 PM, Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Smartcurl Zhang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... hi lists, My ACS routine is like this: ... *WHEN(HLQ= IMSDB) SET STORGRP = 'SGIMSDB','SGSPILL'* *...* ** Whatever(yes or no) I specify for *Overflow *of SGSPILL and (SGSPILL or nothing) for *Extend SG Name *of SGIMSDB in ISMF, it always works fine. So what's meaning of *Overflow* * *and *Extend SG Name?* thanks!! Smartcurl Zhang The overflow SG is used for the allocation of a dataset. Usually SGSPILL is set to DIS NEW and will only be used for allocating a datasets when SGIMSDB has insufficient space. The Extend SG is used when an existing dataset has to expand to a new volume, but there is not enough space in the current SG. In this case the dataset can extend to a volume in the Extend SG. Kees. ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 **
Re: z10 power problem notification
Edward Jaffe writes: Support Center meaning IBM after the unit phoned home? This communication problem sounds like an important issue that should be corrected going forward... To the original poster, was the machine able to phone home? Just one fan lost? - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan / Asia-Pacific E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z10 power problem notification
Based on the original discussion on MXG-L I wrote a email to my clients and licensees on IWM063I and it potential impact on your software charges. You can read it at http://www.sherkow.com/updates/20081014cooling.html There are circumstances when this is a normal message. Such as when changing the speed of a machine that supports capacity settings. But you'll know when these circumstances are happening in your shop. If you receive this mention and you weren't expecting it then you have a problem! The message is issued again when the problem is fixed. Regards, Al Sherkow, I/S Management Strategies, Ltd. Consulting Expertise on Capacity Planning, Performance Tuning, WLC, LPARs, IRD and LCS Software Seminars on IBM SW Pricing, LPARs, and IRD Voice: +1 414 332-3062 Web: www.sherkow.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TSSO issuing command to CICS
Did you set up consoles for TSSO at installation time? Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Z Install 1.7 to 1.9 Options
That would depend upon the previous installation. If you did it, (which you didn't), then it would probably be easier to update your previous install. If it was done competently, then you can update it anyway. Personally, if I didn't do the previous install, I choose full, but after well over 100 installations I have it down to a cookbook type operation. As for pro's and con's, well, it just depends on how good or bad the previous install was. As a consultant, I don't believe in taking chances, especially not with someone else's site, thus the full install. If things are set up correctly, and you are happy with where things are, then full is unnecessary. Sorry I couldn't be more help. Brian Westerman Syzygy Incorporated -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Got burned by the FORCE COMMAND ?
I would NEVER want to see automation of a FORCE (other than maybe a FORCE ARM. Maybe.). Clearly you're not running AVM (that archaic component called availability manager that IMS shops use and that was around way before ARM): *That* address space doesn't even have a shutdown command! It cannot be canceled, you *have to* force arm it! If the thing would make itself invisible on a D A,L command, it wouldn't be so bad at system shutdown, but it is always visible and causes problems for operating. You wouldn't believe how often I told them: Keep it up, don't shut it down, they will start experimenting every time. :-( (And no, IBM doesn't think they should provide a 'clean' shutdown command! I tried and got the typical 'This is working as designed - we don't care.') I've had some seemingly good results by issuing a cancel three times, waiting about a minute between each command. Almost like each cancel takes out a layer. It does. Kinda sorta. Jim, please step in, because I am even more fuzzy on this. Here goes: In the ninetees RTM was rewritten to avoid the address space hang problems after cancel (usually deadlocks between terminating TCBs). From then on when an address space wouldn't come down, the bottom tcb is always the one holding off shutdown, as the top ones will not terminate anymore until all daughters are gone. In some cases repeated CANCELs go and cause re-entry to RTM. RTM then knows to 'escalate' the termination, taking away control from the recovery routine that is just supposed to be running. This doesn't always work, as the cancel command isn't necessarily propagated down to the bottom tcb a second or third time. I am not really clear anymore *why* this sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. My experience with the callrtm program has always been that I needed to run the same program several times to see a result. Sometimes even in combination callrtm'ing the top application tcb and the bottom tcb. So yes, in a way each cancel command takes away a 'layer'. Regards, Barbara -- Pt! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: zIIP queue vs CP dispatch when zIIP is fully utilized
The z10 hardware folks indicated that all of the data movement between books goes through the L2 cache. The number of cycles is interesting and I'm sure we can get the right numbers. It's the magnitude of difference going between the books. Even in 1 book systems, data is moved from core to core through L2. Seems like we heard different processes. Will have to get that checked. Still the chances that the zIIP you are having to move data to, is not likely to be in the same core, or in multi-book systems, in the same book. Norman -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 SYSN 06:37 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: zIIP queue vs CP dispatch when zIIP is fully utilized Don Deese wrote: H [snip] ... Loading L2 cache from local memory is not so much of a big deal. Loading L2 cache from a different book IS a very big deal. To give a sense of perspective, IBM describes average loading L1 from L1.5 cache as taking 1 cycle or less (the average loading operation can be less than 1 cycle because of pipeline effects), loading L1.5 cache from L2 cache takes 1-2 cycles, loading L2 cache from local memory takes perhaps 6 cycles, but loading L2 cache from another book takes about 600 cycles. It is this huge difference in the number of cycles depending on where the loading comes from that was one of the driving forces behind designing HiperDispatch. H ... John Eells' SHARE presentation from San Jose suggests entirely different delay hierarchy/values: http://ew.share.org/client_files/callpapers/attach/SHARE_in_San_Jose/S2838JE 115649.pdf Slide 9: Hiperdispatching -- Why? Assuming his so-called hypothetical server is a z10, he suggests: L1 cache: 1 cycle. L1.5 cache: 4 cycles Local L2 cache: 100+ cycles Remote L2 cache: 200+ cycles Real memory: 600 cycles Contrary to what you've written, it seems to make sense--to me at least--that real (uncached) memory access would be slower than remote book L2 cache access. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: a question about storage group attribution OVERFLOW and EXTEND SG NAME
And I read this in redbook *Converting to DFSMShsm*(SG246524),page 124: Use of SPILL storage group: You can have a set of volumes available that will only be selected if SMS sees that this next new allocation will cause all enabled volumes in the selected storage group to exceed their high threshold. Allocations can now complete to the SPILL storage group until you have a chance to make space available in the primary storage group. One advantage of using SPILL storage groups is that allocations from any storage group can go to SPILL. One disadvantage is that only new data sets and not the extension of existing data sets are eligible for allocation in the SPILL storage group. That really confused me... You sure a dataset can put its initial part in primay SG and secondary part in a overflow SG? On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:48 PM, Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Yes. From the ISMF Help: The EXTEND SG NAME specifies the name of a storage group that datasets in the Primary storage group can extend to. Datasets that started their life in SGIMSDB can extend to SGSPILL if needed for growth. Kees. Smartcurl Zhang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Thank you,Kees You mean if I specify SGSPILL in *Extend SG Name* field of SGIMSDB storage group,some datasets might crossed these two storage group?SGSPILL and SGIMSDB? Smartcurl Zhang On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 8:21 PM, Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Smartcurl Zhang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... hi lists, My ACS routine is like this: ... *WHEN(HLQ= IMSDB) SET STORGRP = 'SGIMSDB','SGSPILL'* *...* ** Whatever(yes or no) I specify for *Overflow *of SGSPILL and (SGSPILL or nothing) for *Extend SG Name *of SGIMSDB in ISMF, it always works fine. So what's meaning of *Overflow* * *and *Extend SG Name?* thanks!! Smartcurl Zhang The overflow SG is used for the allocation of a dataset. Usually SGSPILL is set to DIS NEW and will only be used for allocating a datasets when SGIMSDB has insufficient space. The Extend SG is used when an existing dataset has to expand to a new volume, but there is not enough space in the current SG. In this case the dataset can extend to a volume in the Extend SG. Kees. ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any
Re: a question about storage group attribution OVERFLOW and EXTEND SG NAME
Zhang, If you don't have any automation to add a volume when all extents or space are used on a single volume, then the dataset is never given the option to extend to a new volume - which may or may not be your spill SG. Change your JCL to be - SPACE=(CYL,(1500,500)),UNIT=(,5) - and your dataset will look for up to four candidates to extend to. If the space cannot be satisfied from SGIMSDB it will extend to a volume in SGSPILL. Ron -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smartcurl Zhang Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] a question about storage group attribution OVERFLOW and EXTEND SG NAME Dear Kees, I have try many times with a SMF merge job, make space in SGIMSDB can only hold a primary allocation,hope SMF merged dataset could been allocated primarily in SGIMSDB and secondarily in SGSPILL according to SPACE=(CYL,(1500,500)) in JCL. But whatever i try,the merge job always give me a ABEND SB37,and i found that merged dateaset successfully allocated in SGIMSDB but failed in allocating SGSPILL. help me,please and thank you for you patience to my poor english. Zhang -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z10 power problem notification
Jim Mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] om... IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote on 12/04/2008 07:15:08 PM: We recently had a power problem on our z10. We lost one of three refrigeration fans. The backup 'wind tunnel' fan came on and kept the machine running. Because of some communication problem, Support Center was unable to notify our Operations staff. Of course something flashed on the HMC, but largely because we have so few mainframe problems compared with other platforms, no one noticed. There were no alarming messages on the system console, which they probably would have missed also but which we could set up alerts for that *would* catch their attention. In looking at syslog, I found only this message that hinted at a problem: IWM063I WLM POLICY WAS REFRESHED DUE TO A PROCESSOR SPEED CHANGE Mildly elevated ambient temperature in the z10 had caused a degradation in CPU speed. In the short term we can trap the WLM message and create alerts, but I contend that MVS itself should issue pointed messages for the initial hardware failure and for any subsequent degradation actions. We should not for example have to delve into HMC API in order to blow the horn. Am I asking too much? Yes, because MVS does not have the information you desire. We don't know anything about power supplies or refrigeration fans. All MVS knows is that the machine notified it that the processor speed changed, and MVS takes the necessary actions (like adjusting the amount of time in a service unit). I suspect you would see the same IWM063I message when the fan got repaired and the processor speed increased, or if you did a processor upgrade or downgrade which changed the speed of a processor. Jim Mulder z/OS System Test IBM Corp. Poughkeepsie, NY No, I think he is not asking too much. However not from MVS, but from the hardware. I would have expected the hardware to inform the OS of problems in a similar way DASD informs the OS which in turn then can inform the operator with IEA480E Serious Alert etc. messages. Kees. ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: a question about storage group attribution OVERFLOW and EXTEND SG NAME
Zhang, You must make the dataset multi-volume at creation. This will allow it to extend to a new volume, normally in SGIMSDB, but also to the SGSPILL if this has been made an Extend SG of SGIMSDB. Your english is very good, I understand it well. Since I am Dutch, I am sure my english is also far from perfect. Kees. Smartcurl Zhang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Dear Kees, I have try many times with a SMF merge job, make space in SGIMSDB can only hold a primary allocation,hope SMF merged dataset could been allocated primarily in SGIMSDB and secondarily in SGSPILL according to SPACE=(CYL,(1500,500)) in JCL. But whatever i try,the merge job always give me a ABEND SB37,and i found that merged dateaset successfully allocated in SGIMSDB but failed in allocating SGSPILL. help me,please and thank you for you patience to my poor english. Zhang On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:48 PM, Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Yes. From the ISMF Help: The EXTEND SG NAME specifies the name of a storage group that datasets in the Primary storage group can extend to. Datasets that started their life in SGIMSDB can extend to SGSPILL if needed for growth. Kees. Smartcurl Zhang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Thank you,Kees You mean if I specify SGSPILL in *Extend SG Name* field of SGIMSDB storage group,some datasets might crossed these two storage group?SGSPILL and SGIMSDB? Smartcurl Zhang On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 8:21 PM, Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Smartcurl Zhang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... hi lists, My ACS routine is like this: ... *WHEN(HLQ= IMSDB) SET STORGRP = 'SGIMSDB','SGSPILL'* *...* ** Whatever(yes or no) I specify for *Overflow *of SGSPILL and (SGSPILL or nothing) for *Extend SG Name *of SGIMSDB in ISMF, it always works fine. So what's meaning of *Overflow* * *and *Extend SG Name?* thanks!! Smartcurl Zhang The overflow SG is used for the allocation of a dataset. Usually SGSPILL is set to DIS NEW and will only be used for allocating a datasets when SGIMSDB has insufficient space. The Extend SG is used when an existing dataset has to expand to a new volume, but there is not enough space in the current SG. In this case the dataset can extend to a volume in the Extend SG. Kees. ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message.
