Re: IBM Manuals

[Chase, John]

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J.)
> 
> In
> ,
> on 12/30/2011
>at 05:12 PM, "Chase, John"  said:
> 
> >> -Original Message-
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(Seymour
> >J.)
> >>
> >> In
> >>
,
> >> on 12/27/2011
> >>at 12:37 PM, Mike Schwab  said:
> >>
> >> >Maybe they think everyone should be using 32 inch 1080P TVs as
> >> >monitors?
> >>
> >> 1920p, Shirley.
> 
> >Nope.
> 
> "No, they don't think so", or only "No, not everyone has 1920p"?

WRT TVs, the term "1080p" refers to horizontal scan lines and mode of
scan:  "p" is "progressive", "I" is "interlaced".  For HDTV, 1920 refers
to the number of "columns", or picture width.  Thus the "native" screen
size of HDTV is 1080 x 1920.

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-qOFDc4iegAD/learn/learningcenter/home/under
standing-resolution.html or http://tinyurl.com/6wzjjbf

Now, Moen makes a model 1920p faucet

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Re: IBM Manuals

[Jan MOEYERSONS]

On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 09:51:01 -0800, Scott Ford  wrote:

>To all my colleagues:
>
>Is it me or had IBM migrated their manuls to a new system where the fonts in 
>IE8-9 are extremely small...?

It is IBM.

I recommend you file an RCF. There should be a URL somewhere near the bottom of 
the publication. 

Cheers,

Jantje.

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Re: IBM Manuals

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In , on 01/01/2012
   at 01:29 PM, J R  said:

>I think he means that the correct designation for a 1920x1080 TV is
>1080p or 1080i.  

No, actually I meant 1200p, for a 1920x1200 monitor; they say that the
mind is the second[1] thing to go. And, yes, I know that some of you
have better than that, but I'd be jealous if you told me ;-)

>Since HD TVs generally have an aspect ratio of 16:9, 1080 rows will
>require 1920 columns (pixels, that is).  

Indeed, but why limit computer monitors to what the TV's have? :-(

BTW, when I got my 24" panel I was shocked to realize that it weighed
less than the systems unit and far less than the 20" CRT it replaced.
I suppose that in 5 years I'll find this panel to be both too heavy
and too small.

[1] I can't remember the first.
 
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Re: IBM Manuals

[J R]

I think he means that the correct designation for a 1920x1080 TV is 1080p or 
1080i.  

That is, the number of (progressive or interlaced) scans.  

Since HD TVs generally have an aspect ratio of 16:9, 1080 rows will require 
1920 columns (pixels, that is).  

 > Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 18:46:15 -0500
> From: shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net
> Subject: Re: IBM Manuals
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> 
> In
> ,
> on 12/30/2011
>at 05:12 PM, "Chase, John"  said:
> 
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour
> >J.)
> >> 
> >> In
> >> ,
> >> on 12/27/2011
> >>at 12:37 PM, Mike Schwab  said:
> >> 
> >> >Maybe they think everyone should be using 32 inch 1080P TVs as
> >> >monitors?
> >> 
> >> 1920p, Shirley.
> 
> >Nope.
> 
> "No, they don't think so", or only "No, not everyone has 1920p"?
>  
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Re: IBM Manuals

[Scott Ford]

Shmuel,

Yeah Shirley, I need them big fonts and monitors ..lol

Regards,
Scott
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On Dec 31, 2011, at 6:46 PM, "Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)" 
 wrote:

> In
> ,
> on 12/30/2011
>   at 05:12 PM, "Chase, John"  said:
> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour
>> J.)
>>> 
>>> In
>>> ,
>>> on 12/27/2011
>>>   at 12:37 PM, Mike Schwab  said:
>>> 
 Maybe they think everyone should be using 32 inch 1080P TVs as
 monitors?
>>> 
>>> 1920p, Shirley.
> 
>> Nope.
> 
> "No, they don't think so", or only "No, not everyone has 1920p"?
> 
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Re: IBM Manuals

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In
,
on 12/30/2011
   at 05:12 PM, "Chase, John"  said:

>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour
>J.)
>> 
>> In
>> ,
>> on 12/27/2011
>>at 12:37 PM, Mike Schwab  said:
>> 
>> >Maybe they think everyone should be using 32 inch 1080P TVs as
>> >monitors?
>> 
>> 1920p, Shirley.

>Nope.

"No, they don't think so", or only "No, not everyone has 1920p"?
 
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Re: IBM Manuals

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jcew...@acm.org (Joel C. Ewing) writes:
> If you can get a text-based PDF document from the original source,
> that would certainly be preferable, as that allows text searching
> capability. But, if all you have is a hard copy, none of the current
> freely-available OCR tools come close to preserving the original
> document as accurately as image-based PDF, unless you have the time
> for extensive manual editing.  Bitsavers.org uses a modified archive
> approach that uses higher resolution to allow possible future OCR; but
> compensates for higher resolution by using black/white threshold
> images that sacrifice quality of embedded document illustrations.  I
> prefer to go with lower resolution adequate for human reading and
> preserve gray scale, and even color, where its use is significant.

I finally got approval for putting up scan'ed (original done at 600dpi)
copy of Share 1979 LSRAD report: 
http://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/share/

I sent them a 4mbyte & 150mbyte PDF versions and they put up the
150mbyte ... although I don't notice lot of difference. I did do some
image post processing from the original scan to bring out letters/text
(including forcing b/w threashold; before conversions to pdf) ...  I
find that resulted in much better reading quality, more than the
difference between 4mbyte & 150mbyte.

i did put up the cover in color/jpg at very low resolution (<7kbytes)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lsradcover.jpg 

Early spring 2009 I was asked to HTML'ize the Pecora hearings (30s
congressional hearings into the '29 crash ... glass-steagall, etc) that
had been scanned the previous fall at boston public library ... doing
lots of internal HREFs index/links as well as lots of HREFs between what
happened then and what happened this time (some expectation that the new
congress might have some appetite for the subject). I spent a lot of
time with "free" OCR programs ... but there was lots of problems. In any
case, after doing quiet a bit of work, got a call that it wouldn't be
needed after all (wallstreet pouring enormous amount of money into
congress)

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Re: IBM Manuals

[Scott Ford]

Joel,
Totally agree , pdf is much easier
Regards,
Scott

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On Dec 31, 2011, at 9:56 AM, "Joel C. Ewing"  wrote:

> On 12/30/2011 10:30 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
>> In<4efdc973.3050...@acm.org>, on 12/30/2011
>>at 08:23 AM, "Joel C. Ewing"  said:
>> 
>>> First thing I do with new equipment/appliance manuals is either find
>>> and  save an on-line pdf version
>> 
>> Why? I know that in some cases PDF is all that's available, but
>> certainly not in all.
>> 
> 
> I want a form that preserves for my personal use, and has the ability to 
> recreate if necessary, the original multi-page documents for human viewing.  
> PDF was designed with precisely that in mind and does it very well.  I want a 
> format with a proven track record of continued support over an extended time 
> period on multiple hardware platforms and operating systems.  The PDF specs 
> are openly available, free PDF readers are available for multiple 
> environments from multiple independent sources.  Ditto for free print-to-PDF 
> converters, and direct PDF creation support is now built into many 
> applications as well.
> 
> There are other formats that are useful or even "better" in specific 
> environments, but nothing at this point is as ubiquitous as PDF, and I have 
> no idea what systems I may be running ten years from now.
> 
> If you can get a text-based PDF document from the original source, that would 
> certainly be preferable, as that allows text searching capability. But, if 
> all you have is a hard copy, none of the current freely-available OCR tools 
> come close to preserving the original document as accurately as image-based 
> PDF, unless you have the time for extensive manual editing.  Bitsavers.org 
> uses a modified archive approach that uses higher resolution to allow 
> possible future OCR; but compensates for higher resolution by using 
> black/white threshold images that sacrifice quality of embedded document 
> illustrations.  I prefer to go with lower resolution adequate for human 
> reading and preserve gray scale, and even color, where its use is significant.
> 
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Re: IBM Manuals

[Joel C. Ewing]

On 12/30/2011 10:30 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:

In<4efdc973.3050...@acm.org>, on 12/30/2011
at 08:23 AM, "Joel C. Ewing"  said:


First thing I do with new equipment/appliance manuals is either find
and  save an on-line pdf version


Why? I know that in some cases PDF is all that's available, but
certainly not in all.



I want a form that preserves for my personal use, and has the ability to 
recreate if necessary, the original multi-page documents for human 
viewing.  PDF was designed with precisely that in mind and does it very 
well.  I want a format with a proven track record of continued support 
over an extended time period on multiple hardware platforms and 
operating systems.  The PDF specs are openly available, free PDF readers 
are available for multiple environments from multiple independent 
sources.  Ditto for free print-to-PDF converters, and direct PDF 
creation support is now built into many applications as well.


There are other formats that are useful or even "better" in specific 
environments, but nothing at this point is as ubiquitous as PDF, and I 
have no idea what systems I may be running ten years from now.


If you can get a text-based PDF document from the original source, that 
would certainly be preferable, as that allows text searching capability. 
But, if all you have is a hard copy, none of the current 
freely-available OCR tools come close to preserving the original 
document as accurately as image-based PDF, unless you have the time for 
extensive manual editing.  Bitsavers.org uses a modified archive 
approach that uses higher resolution to allow possible future OCR; but 
compensates for higher resolution by using black/white threshold images 
that sacrifice quality of embedded document illustrations.  I prefer to 
go with lower resolution adequate for human reading and preserve gray 
scale, and even color, where its use is significant.


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Re: IBM Manuals

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In <4efdc973.3050...@acm.org>, on 12/30/2011
   at 08:23 AM, "Joel C. Ewing"  said:

>First thing I do with new equipment/appliance manuals is either find
>and  save an on-line pdf version

Why? I know that in some cases PDF is all that's available, but
certainly not in all.
 
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Re: IBM Manuals

[Scott Ford]

Ted,
1 pt , touchdown  and crowd goes wild !

Regards,
Scott

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On Dec 30, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Ted MacNEIL  wrote:

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> -Original Message-
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> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 11:07:40 
> To: 
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> 
> Ed,
> 
> Someone said getting old isn't for sissies, I got my ipad2 for christmas and 
> love it but your right Ed the install manual font is small. Not great for us 
> older folks
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Dec 30, 2011, at 9:23 AM, "Joel C. Ewing"  wrote:
> 
>> First thing I do with new equipment/appliance manuals is either find and 
>> save an on-line pdf version or scan them in as a pdf image document.  By 
>> keeping all such in digital form, I can either find them later if needed as 
>> reference or make them large enough to read easily.
>> 
>> Wife's iPad2 booklet this December was so small I had to scan at 300 ppi 
>> instead of usual 150 ppi to get decently formed font and could barely read 
>> the original hard copy even with my reading glasses!
>> 
>> Guess we should be thankful IBM chose bookmanager and pdf to save trees 
>> rather than reducing z/OS manuals to 3x5 and microprint.
>> JC Ewing
>> 
>> On 12/29/2011 11:38 PM, Ed Gould wrote:
>>> Scott:
>>> 
>>> Last year I got an brand new IPAD. The installation instructions were on
>>> a 3 X 5 in a 4 page "booklet". The font size was 4 and I could not read
>>> it to save my life. I had to get a friend to come over to read them so I
>>> could do the "install".
>>> Bah humbug so much APPLE being user friendly.
>>> 
>>> Ed
>>> 
>> ...
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Re: IBM Manuals

[Chase, John]

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour
J.)
> 
> In
> ,
> on 12/27/2011
>at 12:37 PM, Mike Schwab  said:
> 
> >Maybe they think everyone should be using 32 inch 1080P TVs as
> >monitors?
> 
> 1920p, Shirley.

Nope.

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Re: IBM Manuals

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Ed,

Someone said getting old isn't for sissies, I got my ipad2 for christmas and 
love it but your right Ed the install manual font is small. Not great for us 
older folks


Sent from my iPad

On Dec 30, 2011, at 9:23 AM, "Joel C. Ewing"  wrote:

> First thing I do with new equipment/appliance manuals is either find and save 
> an on-line pdf version or scan them in as a pdf image document.  By keeping 
> all such in digital form, I can either find them later if needed as reference 
> or make them large enough to read easily.
> 
> Wife's iPad2 booklet this December was so small I had to scan at 300 ppi 
> instead of usual 150 ppi to get decently formed font and could barely read 
> the original hard copy even with my reading glasses!
> 
> Guess we should be thankful IBM chose bookmanager and pdf to save trees 
> rather than reducing z/OS manuals to 3x5 and microprint.
>  JC Ewing
> 
> On 12/29/2011 11:38 PM, Ed Gould wrote:
>> Scott:
>> 
>> Last year I got an brand new IPAD. The installation instructions were on
>> a 3 X 5 in a 4 page "booklet". The font size was 4 and I could not read
>> it to save my life. I had to get a friend to come over to read them so I
>> could do the "install".
>> Bah humbug so much APPLE being user friendly.
>> 
>> Ed
>> 
> ...
> 
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Re: IBM Manuals

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <4efdc973.3050...@acm.org>, on 12/30/2011
   at 08:23 AM, "Joel C. Ewing"  said:

>First thing I do with new equipment/appliance manuals is either find
>and  save an on-line pdf version

Why? I know that in some cases PDF is all that's available, but
certainly not in all.
 
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Re: IBM Manuals

[Scott Ford]

Ed,

Someone said getting old isn't for sissies, I got my ipad2 for christmas and 
love it but your right Ed the install manual font is small. Not great for us 
older folks


Sent from my iPad

On Dec 30, 2011, at 9:23 AM, "Joel C. Ewing"  wrote:

> First thing I do with new equipment/appliance manuals is either find and save 
> an on-line pdf version or scan them in as a pdf image document.  By keeping 
> all such in digital form, I can either find them later if needed as reference 
> or make them large enough to read easily.
> 
> Wife's iPad2 booklet this December was so small I had to scan at 300 ppi 
> instead of usual 150 ppi to get decently formed font and could barely read 
> the original hard copy even with my reading glasses!
> 
> Guess we should be thankful IBM chose bookmanager and pdf to save trees 
> rather than reducing z/OS manuals to 3x5 and microprint.
>  JC Ewing
> 
> On 12/29/2011 11:38 PM, Ed Gould wrote:
>> Scott:
>> 
>> Last year I got an brand new IPAD. The installation instructions were on
>> a 3 X 5 in a 4 page "booklet". The font size was 4 and I could not read
>> it to save my life. I had to get a friend to come over to read them so I
>> could do the "install".
>> Bah humbug so much APPLE being user friendly.
>> 
>> Ed
>> 
> ...
> 
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[Joel C. Ewing]

First thing I do with new equipment/appliance manuals is either find and 
save an on-line pdf version or scan them in as a pdf image document.  By 
keeping all such in digital form, I can either find them later if needed 
as reference or make them large enough to read easily.


Wife's iPad2 booklet this December was so small I had to scan at 300 ppi 
instead of usual 150 ppi to get decently formed font and could barely 
read the original hard copy even with my reading glasses!


Guess we should be thankful IBM chose bookmanager and pdf to save trees 
rather than reducing z/OS manuals to 3x5 and microprint.

  JC Ewing

On 12/29/2011 11:38 PM, Ed Gould wrote:

Scott:

Last year I got an brand new IPAD. The installation instructions were on
a 3 X 5 in a 4 page "booklet". The font size was 4 and I could not read
it to save my life. I had to get a friend to come over to read them so I
could do the "install".
Bah humbug so much APPLE being user friendly.

Ed


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[Ed Gould]

Scott:

Last year I got an brand new IPAD. The installation instructions were  
on a 3 X 5  in a 4 page "booklet". The font size was 4 and I could  
not read it to save my life. I had to get a friend to come over to  
read them so I could do the "install".

Bah humbug so much APPLE being user friendly.

Ed

On Dec 27, 2011, at 12:56 PM, Scott Ford wrote:

lol, love it I have a19 inch one here at home where I  
work ...Maybe they are telling us old dinosaurs we are getting old,  
man



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Subject: Re: IBM Manuals

Maybe they think everyone should be using 32 inch 1080P TVs as  
monitors?


On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Scott Ford  
 wrote:

Lizette:

Thanks, I thought it was these 61 yr old eyes...lol. I zoomed IE9  
up to like 200+ % ..to read the TOC of the manual on the right  
panel of the page...


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Re: IBM Manuals

[Mike Schwab]

Went through all the settings and did not find it.

Finally found it under the Tools Menu, not the Tools > Internet options.

Looking ok now.

On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Ed Castro  wrote:
> Using IE8, "Compatibility View" seems to resolve part of the font size 
> problem.
>
> Best Regards.
>
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> On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Clifford McNeill  wrote:
>>
>>
>> I think Scott is referring to this type of presentation being way too small
>> http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/basics/index.jsp
>>
>> as opposed to something like this manual...
>> http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IEA2A690/4.2?SHELF=IEA2BKA1&DT=20090525234211
>>
>> I found the following note on
>> http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/
>>
>>
>> Note: If you are using Microsoft Internet Explorer® 8 or 9  to view our  
>> Information Centers and the font is too small, please see this article 
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/956197
>>
>>
>>    Cliff McNeill
> Yes, that is where the font size is very small.  Yes, I installed the
> suggested Silverlight for XP SP3 I.E. 8.  No, it did not change the
> font size.
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Re: IBM Manuals

[Pommier, Rex R.]

Cliff,

Got'cha, you're right.  The first page is tiny on mine as well.  That's what I 
get for navigating in Firefox then grabbing the URL and putting it into IE.  
I'll crawl back into my corner now.  :-)

Rex

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>
> I just pulled up a couple doc's in both BKMGR and PDF format under IE9 and it 
> looked just fine.
>
> Rex
> >
> > Is it me or had IBM migrated their manuls to a new system where the fonts 
> > in IE8-9 are extremely small...?
> > I know I am getting old but man .give us a break IBM
> >
> > Scott J Ford


I think Scott is referring to this type of presentation being way too small
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/basics/index.jsp

as opposed to something like this manual...
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IEA2A690/4.2?SHELF=IEA2BKA1&DT=20090525234211

I found the following note on
http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/


Note: If you are using Microsoft Internet Explorer(r) 8 or 9  to view our  
Information Centers and the font is too small, please see this article 
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/956197


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Re: IBM Manuals

[Scott Ford]

Joe:
 
Thats one I saw also, once i enter into the Pubs library I am fine ...its just 
that initial page is a wee bit small

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 From: Joe Connally 
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Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: IBM Manuals
 
I'm glad to hear others complain, I thought it was just me.
Bookmanager and PDF's look great on my browser. But this page has a tiny font 
size:

http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/v1r12/index.jsp


Joe



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Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 3:24 PM
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I just pulled up a couple doc's in both BKMGR and PDF format under IE9 and it 
looked just fine.

Rex

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Mike Schwab
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 12:06 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: IBM Manuals

In bookmanager, it took two Cntl-+ s to get it up to a readable   Then
I could not scroll to the right to view the end of the lines.

On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Scott Ford  wrote:
> To all my colleagues:
>
> Is it me or had IBM migrated their manuls to a new system where the fonts in 
> IE8-9 are extremely small...?
> I know I am getting old but man .give us a break IBM
>
> Scott J Ford
> Software Engineer
> http://www.identityforge.com
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Re: IBM Manuals

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On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Clifford McNeill  wrote:
>
>
> I think Scott is referring to this type of presentation being way too small
> http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/basics/index.jsp
>
> as opposed to something like this manual...
> http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IEA2A690/4.2?SHELF=IEA2BKA1&DT=20090525234211
>
> I found the following note on
> http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/
>
>
> Note: If you are using Microsoft Internet Explorer® 8 or 9  to view our  
> Information Centers and the font is too small, please see this article 
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/956197
>
>
>    Cliff McNeill
Yes, that is where the font size is very small.  Yes, I installed the
suggested Silverlight for XP SP3 I.E. 8.  No, it did not change the
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Re: IBM Manuals

[Scott Ford]

Outstanding Cliff your the man, the problem is what you pointed out its IE9 and 
you must turn on Compatibility mode in the Command toolbars of IE9. I did this 
and the IBM webpage is now a beautiful thing, looks great and font is perfect.


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 From: Clifford McNeill 
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: IBM Manuals
 
> 
> I just pulled up a couple doc's in both BKMGR and PDF format under IE9 and it 
> looked just fine.
> 
> Rex
> >
> > Is it me or had IBM migrated their manuls to a new system where the fonts 
> > in IE8-9 are extremely small...?
> > I know I am getting old but man .give us a break IBM
> >
> > Scott J Ford


I think Scott is referring to this type of presentation being way too small
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/basics/index.jsp

as opposed to something like this manual...
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IEA2A690/4.2?SHELF=IEA2BKA1&DT=20090525234211

I found the following note on 
http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/


Note: If you are using Microsoft Internet Explorer® 8 or 9  to view our  
Information Centers and the font is too small, please see this article 
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/956197


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Re: IBM Manuals

[Joe Connally]

I'm glad to hear others complain, I thought it was just me.
Bookmanager and PDF's look great on my browser. But this page has a tiny font 
size:

http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/v1r12/index.jsp


Joe



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Pommier, Rex R.
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 3:24 PM
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Subject: Re: IBM Manuals

I just pulled up a couple doc's in both BKMGR and PDF format under IE9 and it 
looked just fine.

Rex

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Mike Schwab
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 12:06 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: IBM Manuals

In bookmanager, it took two Cntl-+ s to get it up to a readable   Then
I could not scroll to the right to view the end of the lines.

On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Scott Ford  wrote:
> To all my colleagues:
>
> Is it me or had IBM migrated their manuls to a new system where the fonts in 
> IE8-9 are extremely small...?
> I know I am getting old but man .give us a break IBM
>
> Scott J Ford
> Software Engineer
> http://www.identityforge.com
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Re: IBM Manuals

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> 
> I just pulled up a couple doc's in both BKMGR and PDF format under IE9 and it 
> looked just fine.
> 
> Rex
> >
> > Is it me or had IBM migrated their manuls to a new system where the fonts 
> > in IE8-9 are extremely small...?
> > I know I am getting old but man .give us a break IBM
> >
> > Scott J Ford


I think Scott is referring to this type of presentation being way too small
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/basics/index.jsp
 
as opposed to something like this manual...
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IEA2A690/4.2?SHELF=IEA2BKA1&DT=20090525234211
 
I found the following note on 
http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/
 
 
Note: If you are using Microsoft Internet Explorer® 8 or 9  to view our  
Information Centers and the font is too small, please see this article 
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/956197
 
 
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Re: IBM Manuals

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In
,
on 12/27/2011
   at 12:37 PM, Mike Schwab  said:

>Maybe they think everyone should be using 32 inch 1080P TVs as
>monitors?

1920p, Shirley.
 
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[Pommier, Rex R.]

I just pulled up a couple doc's in both BKMGR and PDF format under IE9 and it 
looked just fine.

Rex

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Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 12:06 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: IBM Manuals

In bookmanager, it took two Cntl-+ s to get it up to a readable   Then
I could not scroll to the right to view the end of the lines.

On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Scott Ford  wrote:
> To all my colleagues:
>
> Is it me or had IBM migrated their manuls to a new system where the fonts in 
> IE8-9 are extremely small...?
> I know I am getting old but man .give us a break IBM
>
> Scott J Ford
> Software Engineer
> http://www.identityforge.com
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Re: IBM Manuals

[Ed Finnell]

Using IE8 looks just like ol' times. Fills up 19" window and can scroll and 
 browse OK fine. Didn't try anything else. Maybe it's a config issue on the 
 PC.
 
 
In a message dated 12/27/2011 2:05:03 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
mike.a.sch...@gmail.com writes:

In  bookmanager, it took two Cntl-+ s to get it up to a readableThen
I could not scroll to the right to view the end of the  lines.



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Re: IBM Manuals

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> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Scott Ford
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 12:57 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Re: IBM Manuals
> 
> lol, love it I have a19 inch one here at home where I 
> work ...Maybe they are telling us old dinosaurs we are 
> getting old, man
> 
> 
> Scott J Ford
> Software Engineer
> http://www.identityforge.com

23.6 inch at work (BYOD - Bring Your Own Device - I bought it myself and have 
"implicit" permission to use it so long as nobody bitches). At home, I have a 
25 inch.

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Re: IBM Manuals

[Scott Ford]

lol, love it I have a19 inch one here at home where I work ...Maybe they 
are telling us old dinosaurs we are getting old, man


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 From: Mike Schwab 
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Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: IBM Manuals
 
Maybe they think everyone should be using 32 inch 1080P TVs as monitors?

On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Scott Ford  wrote:
> Lizette:
>
> Thanks, I thought it was these 61 yr old eyes...lol. I zoomed IE9 up to like 
> 200+ % ..to read the TOC of the manual on the right panel of the page...
>
> Scott J Ford
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[Mike Schwab]

Maybe they think everyone should be using 32 inch 1080P TVs as monitors?

On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Scott Ford  wrote:
> Lizette:
>
> Thanks, I thought it was these 61 yr old eyes...lol. I zoomed IE9 up to like 
> 200+ % ..to read the TOC of the manual on the right panel of the page...
>
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Re: IBM Manuals

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Lizette:
 
Thanks, I thought it was these 61 yr old eyes...lol. I zoomed IE9 up to like 
200+ % ..to read the TOC of the manual on the right panel of the page...

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 From: Lizette Koehler 
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: IBM Manuals
 
>To all my colleagues:
> 
>Is it me or had IBM migrated their manuls to a new system where the fonts in 
>IE8-9 are extremely small...?
>I know I am getting old but man .give us a break IBM
>
>Scott J Ford

Scott,

I have been trying to zoom the fonts on the SDSF webpage and it is so small I 
do not think if you were a molecule you could read it.

So not you, it is IBM.  But I am not sure how to correct it.  Or where a case 
could be opened.

Lizette

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Re: IBM Manuals

[Pommier, Rex R.]

The really small font is so they can save space on the DASD.   

Rex

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Subject: IBM Manuals

To all my colleagues:

Is it me or had IBM migrated their manuls to a new system where the fonts in 
IE8-9 are extremely small...?
I know I am getting old but man .give us a break IBM

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Re: IBM Manuals

[Scott Ford]

Mike,
 
Yeah, the intial screen is a tiny font once you can double-click or click on it 
with a mouse its better, but still i have to raise the zoon to 150% on IE...
 

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To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: IBM Manuals
 
In bookmanager, it took two Cntl-+ s to get it up to a readable   Then
I could not scroll to the right to view the end of the lines.

On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Scott Ford  wrote:
> To all my colleagues:
>
> Is it me or had IBM migrated their manuls to a new system where the fonts in 
> IE8-9 are extremely small...?
> I know I am getting old but man .give us a break IBM
>
> Scott J Ford
> Software Engineer
> http://www.identityforge.com
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[Lizette Koehler]

>To all my colleagues:
> 
>Is it me or had IBM migrated their manuls to a new system where the fonts in 
>IE8-9 are extremely small...?
>I know I am getting old but man .give us a break IBM
>
>Scott J Ford

Scott,

I have been trying to zoom the fonts on the SDSF webpage and it is so small I 
do not think if you were a molecule you could read it.

So not you, it is IBM.  But I am not sure how to correct it.  Or where a case 
could be opened.

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Re: IBM Manuals

[Mike Schwab]

In bookmanager, it took two Cntl-+ s to get it up to a readable   Then
I could not scroll to the right to view the end of the lines.

On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Scott Ford  wrote:
> To all my colleagues:
>
> Is it me or had IBM migrated their manuls to a new system where the fonts in 
> IE8-9 are extremely small...?
> I know I am getting old but man .give us a break IBM
>
> Scott J Ford
> Software Engineer
> http://www.identityforge.com
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IBM Manuals

[Scott Ford]

To all my colleagues:
 
Is it me or had IBM migrated their manuls to a new system where the fonts in 
IE8-9 are extremely small...?
I know I am getting old but man .give us a break IBM

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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)]

>There seem to be several tools that convert PDFs to MOBI, 
>have you tried all and found them to be unsatisfactory?

All of them? How shall I know I've found all of them :-)
Seriously, I have tried two and neither produced a satisfactory
result.

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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Marian Gasparovic]

I agree, Kindle is great for reading a book, not very usable for
reference material. When I want to read a PDF on Kindle I send it to
my Kindle account via email with subject "convert". It usually
provides very good results.
iPad is much better for manuals, I bought GoodReader application. It
has a very good PDF reader and you can transfer files there over wifi,
forget iTunes. Even download files from web using its own (simple)
html browser, great for redbooks.

Marian Gasparovic
IBM Slovakia

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Kirk Wolf  wrote:
> There seem to be several tools that convert PDFs to MOBI, have you tried all
> and found them to be unsatisfactory?
>
> I have a Kindle (3), and to my thinking it is never going to be satisfactory
> for reading technical manuals because of the speed of the E-ink display.
>  IMO reading these requires fast scrolling, zooming, paging, linking that
> the current Kindle will just not handle.   Its great for reading a
> sequential book though.
>
> Reading PDFs on my EVO 4G is fine.   Its huge compared to most phones, with
> great resolution, but it can't compete in terms of usability with a printed
> book or netbook or IPad.
>
> The IPad hardware looks great, but I'm waiting to get a good *open* Android
> or Linux tablet.   Based on CES this week, that should be real soon...
>
> Kirk Wolf
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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Kirk Wolf]

There seem to be several tools that convert PDFs to MOBI, have you tried all
and found them to be unsatisfactory?

I have a Kindle (3), and to my thinking it is never going to be satisfactory
for reading technical manuals because of the speed of the E-ink display.
 IMO reading these requires fast scrolling, zooming, paging, linking that
the current Kindle will just not handle.   Its great for reading a
sequential book though.

Reading PDFs on my EVO 4G is fine.   Its huge compared to most phones, with
great resolution, but it can't compete in terms of usability with a printed
book or netbook or IPad.

The IPad hardware looks great, but I'm waiting to get a good *open* Android
or Linux tablet.   Based on CES this week, that should be real soon...

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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <1294308564.4d2594d48c...@postoffice.tpg.com.au>, on 01/06/2011
   at 09:09 PM, Shane Ginnane  said:

>Personally I prefer regex

Regexen are fine for simple tasks, but beyond that you need a more
heavyweight tool, e.g., YACC. For XML, why reinvent the wheel? Write
or download a wrapper around an existing parser. I'm pretty sure that
some exist in CPAN for Perl; I don't know about Python or Ruby.
 
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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Shane Ginnane]

For a group so comfortable as a "community",  we should all find CPAN fits
like a favourite old leather jacket.
Can be done with (raw) regex, but the contributions are available as well.

Shane ...

On Thu, Jan 6th, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Martin Packer wrote:

> The "received wisdom" is that regex has a hard time with the complexity of
> 
> HTML (whether broken or not) and XML. Being less than fluent in regex's 
> I'm biased to agree. :-)

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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Martin Packer]

The "received wisdom" is that regex has a hard time with the complexity of 
HTML (whether broken or not) and XML. Being less than fluent in regex's 
I'm biased to agree. :-)

Shane Ginnane wrote:

> Personally I prefer regex - it would be a doddle in perl/awk/sed ...

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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Shane Ginnane]

Personally I prefer regex - it would be a doddle in perl/awk/sed ...

Shane ...

On Thu, Jan 6th, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Martin Packer wrote:

> Inspired by Peter's mention of REXX and HTML in the same post...
> 
> REXX could really use a DOM Tree Walker API (DOM = Document Object Model 
> and is how most languages process XML and HTML). Or at least some z/OS TSO 
> scripting language could.

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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Martin Packer]

Inspired by Peter's mention of REXX and HTML in the same post...

REXX could really use a DOM Tree Walker API (DOM = Document Object Model 
and is how most languages process XML and HTML). Or at least some z/OS TSO 
scripting language could.

Martin

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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)]

>The IBM Information Center allows up to 100 topics to be 
>"printed", which gives you a single HTML page (file) with
>all these topics. That file needs some manipulation to delete
>the repeating footer that are not needed and maybe some more.
>I'll give it a try to see what Calilre will produce with this.

Just for the records: This way looks very promissing. The 
transformed content looks very good, including tables that are
wider than the DX's display. 

I'll now have to find out how to change the HTML links pointing
back to the Information Center to links pointing to content
within the HTML file instead. I'm positive a couple of REXX 
lines will do.

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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[zSeries Systems Programmer]

You may want to check out Auto Kindle.  It is a free Windows only
download from download.cnet.com and might be what you want.  I have
never used it, so I don't stand behind the results.  My wife told me
that I could NOT use HER kindle for such storage.

On Wednesday, January 5, 2011, Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)
 wrote:
>>You might want to check out a program called Calibre.
>
> I've got it installed lately. So far I'm impressed about
> its functionality.
>
> I converted the Extended Addressability Guide as a first step.
> Text sections looked good but code snipplets were unusable.
>
>>You may have options included with that program that may help.
>
> I surely will have to try different options.
>
> I just understand that converting from PDF to anything else is
> not always easy and often results are not satisfactory. I think
> that HTML might be a better base to start with and knowing that
> IBM manuals are available via browser as HTML file made me
> hope I could get complete manuals as HTML files.
>
> The IBM Information Center allows up to 100 topics to be
> "printed", which gives you a single HTML page (file) with
> all these topics. That file needs some manipulation to delete
> the repeating footer that are not needed and maybe some more.
> I'll give it a try to see what Calilbe will produce with this.
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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)]

>You might want to check out a program called Calibre.

I've got it installed lately. So far I'm impressed about
its functionality.

I converted the Extended Addressability Guide as a first step.
Text sections looked good but code snipplets were unusable.
  
>You may have options included with that program that may help.

I surely will have to try different options.

I just understand that converting from PDF to anything else is 
not always easy and often results are not satisfactory. I think
that HTML might be a better base to start with and knowing that
IBM manuals are available via browser as HTML file made me 
hope I could get complete manuals as HTML files.

The IBM Information Center allows up to 100 topics to be 
"printed", which gives you a single HTML page (file) with
all these topics. That file needs some manipulation to delete
the repeating footer that are not needed and maybe some more.
I'll give it a try to see what Calilbe will produce with this.

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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Finley, Frank]

You might want to check out a program called Calibre.  It is for ebook
collections, and will do many different types of format changes.  There is a
spot where you can choose your specific device and format criteria.  

You may have options included with that program that may help.  I have had
good luck converting word docs and CHM files before, the only PDF's I have
converted were basic text, but had good luck with those.

Frank Finley


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>If you want further information, I'd be delighted to talk with 
>you directly.

Thanks for that offer, David. But I've made my decision and I 
don't regret it.

What I'm looking for is a way to convert IBM manuals to MOBI
format. If I don't succeed, I can live with the current PDF
support. 

I don't use the Kindle when I need to lookup information in 
a look-at way, e.g. what exactly does this parameter do or
what is the explanation of this abend code. I'll be sitting in
fromt of my PC when this kind of question arised. So I'll have
all the nice things as Acrobat and Internet to quickly look up.

I'm using the Kindle when I want to learn by reading complete
chapters from start to end. It is only a bit messy to get to
the start of the chapter. Thereafter reading is fun.

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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Martin Packer]

For iPad I recommend 64GB (which I did and forewent 3G). It was 
frustrating that iPhone 4 could only come with 32GB. (Ours are within 10GB 
of full at present.)

But I would hope 32GB would be enough on an iPad for PDF viewing. BTW I 
invested in "iAnnotate PDF" for obvious reasons.

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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)]

>If you want further information, I'd be delighted to talk with 
>you directly.

Thanks for that offer, David. But I've made my decision and I 
don't regret it.

What I'm looking for is a way to convert IBM manuals to MOBI
format. If I don't succeed, I can live with the current PDF
support. 

I don't use the Kindle when I need to lookup information in 
a look-at way, e.g. what exactly does this parameter do or
what is the explanation of this abend code. I'll be sitting in
fromt of my PC when this kind of question arised. So I'll have
all the nice things as Acrobat and Internet to quickly look up.

I'm using the Kindle when I want to learn by reading complete
chapters from start to end. It is only a bit messy to get to
the start of the chapter. Thereafter reading is fun.

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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)]

>In THIS case an inept PDF reader is an inept PDF reader. 
>Period. :-(

It is not inept; but, yes, it lacks some functions. The 
readability of the rendered pages, however, is excellent.

It is just much, much more relaxed reading compared to
any i-(straining)-Pad-like device.

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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)]

>My humble suggestion: sell it away and buy something which is 
>capable to read IBM (and not only IBM) documentation. It can 
>be any netbook/notebook. It also provides much more features.

You haven't compared readability of LCD based versus E-Ink based
devices, have you? For reading just anywhere except in the dark
there is nothing comparable to an E-Ink device. 

I do own a notebook for all the other stuff I need a computer 
for. I bought the Kindle for its own purpose.

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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Tom Marchant]

On Wed, 5 Jan 2011 08:29:16 -0500, David Purdy wrote:

>I have the 32GB,
>probably could have gotten away with the 16 GB for z/OS library only.

Just for a point of reference, I have the full softcopy collections for five 
z/OS releases from 1.8 through 1.12, both .PDF and .BOO, as well as 
OS/390 2.10, several redbooks and every edition of the POO that I could 
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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Finley, Frank]

I love reading on my kindle, however I have found that it just is not a good 
format for any type of technical manual, PDF or otherwise.  If you are going to 
read something straight through it works fine, but it is difficult to jump 
around within a document.  I find myself doing that a lot in technical manuals 
to lookup something talked about elsewhere.  I end up going to printed manuals 
or PDF on a full laptop/desktop instead.  That is just my personal experience 
with it.  

You may want to check out something like the iPad, or one of the Android 
versions that are coming out now, it may work better for this purpose.

Frank Finley

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I bought a Kindle DX ebook reader. One reason being that
I wanted to read IBM manuals while travelling. The Kindle
displays the PDFs nicely but lacks the possibility to
jump from the TOC or links. 

For that reason and because other ebook formats, such as
MOBI, have other advantages, I'm looking for a way to transform
IBM manuals into the MOBI format. So far my experiments in
transforming from PDF to MOBI did not show satisfactory
results. I'm hoping that HTML for MOBI would yield in 
better results.

Does anyone know if IBM manuals are available in HTML format?
I'm not thinking about the format show by the Library Server
which is split into too many small pages. I'm think about the
manual as one large HTML file or possibly one HTML file per 
chapter.

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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[David Purdy]

I bit the bullet and bought an Apple iPad, and bought a $1 PDF reader.
Reads IBM manuals just fine, including PDF bookmarks (called OutLine in the
particular reader I installed.  I didn't get the Kindle DX for exactly your
reasons.

Pros:
- readable size, and you can zoom the full page display to get rid of the
blank margins and still have a full page displayed, or zoom a lot and get
one paragraph or diagram.
- personal preference: I like the touch screen for paging and zooming
- storage capacity of more manuals than I'll probably download - in the
several thousand range
- easier to carry than a laptop
Cons:
- spendy little sucker - I can print a lot of manuals for the same cost.
- tied to the iTunes interface - somewhat clunky IMHO
- not upgradable - get the size right the first time.  I have the 32GB,
probably could have gotten away with the 16 GB for z/OS library only.
- eyes get tired after a couple of continuous viewing hours
- 10 hour battery life
- not so viewable in the sun
- at the edge of being too heavy for long term viewing; I wish it was
lighter, but the weight is not offensive.

If you want further information, I'd be delighted to talk with you directly.

David Purdy

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I bought a Kindle DX ebook reader. One reason being that
I wanted to read IBM manuals while travelling. The Kindle
displays the PDFs nicely but lacks the possibility to
jump from the TOC or links. 

For that reason and because other ebook formats, such as
MOBI, have other advantages, I'm looking for a way to transform
IBM manuals into the MOBI format. So far my experiments in
transforming from PDF to MOBI did not show satisfactory
results. I'm hoping that HTML for MOBI would yield in 
better results.

Does anyone know if IBM manuals are available in HTML format?
I'm not thinking about the format show by the Library Server
which is split into too many small pages. I'm think about the
manual as one large HTML file or possibly one HTML file per 
chapter.

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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Tom Marchant]

On Wed, 5 Jan 2011 05:58:03 -0600, John McKown wrote:

>I really love the
>Kindle's screen. Laptops wash out easily in bright sunlight. And N.
>Texas often has bright sunlight. The Kindle's screen is excellent
>everywhere I go. Um, it there is enough ambient light. Just like paper.

I'm still looking for a laptop, or even better, a tablet with a Pixel Qi 
screen like the XO has.  See 
http://laptop.org/en/laptop/index.shtml .

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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[John McKown]

I also have a Kindle DX. And I agree that the PDF reader on it is junk.
Which is surprising since the base OS is Linux and should be able to use
okular for PDF. I use okular on Linux/Intel and like it. But I also
admit that I don't know all the constraints imposed by the hardware. I
don't like laptops. OK, my laptop is a beast. I need to try something
smaller than an 8 pound, 17.3 in wide screen behemoth. I really love the
Kindle's screen. Laptops wash out easily in bright sunlight. And N.
Texas often has bright sunlight. The Kindle's screen is excellent
everywhere I go. Um, it there is enough ambient light. Just like paper.

On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 10:52 +, Martin Packer wrote:
> Was having just the same debate with my Dad: He wanted to read a certain 
> UK newspaper on a Kindle. I pointed out there were alternatives that would 
> do what he wanted.
> 
> In THIS case an inept PDF reader is an inept PDF reader. Period. :-(
> 
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[Martin Packer]

Was having just the same debate with my Dad: He wanted to read a certain 
UK newspaper on a Kindle. I pointed out there were alternatives that would 
do what he wanted.

In THIS case an inept PDF reader is an inept PDF reader. Period. :-(

Martin

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Re: Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[R.S.]

Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4) pisze:

I bought a Kindle DX ebook reader. One reason being that
I wanted to read IBM manuals while travelling. The Kindle
displays the PDFs nicely but lacks the possibility to
jump from the TOC or links. 


For that reason and because other ebook formats, such as
MOBI, have other advantages, I'm looking for a way to transform
IBM manuals into the MOBI format. So far my experiments in
transforming from PDF to MOBI did not show satisfactory
results. I'm hoping that HTML for MOBI would yield in 
better results.


Does anyone know if IBM manuals are available in HTML format?
I'm not thinking about the format show by the Library Server
which is split into too many small pages. I'm think about the
manual as one large HTML file or possibly one HTML file per 
chapter.


Any other suggestions are welcome as well.


My humble suggestion: sell it away and buy something which is capable to 
read IBM (and not only IBM) documentation. It can be any 
netbook/notebook. It also provides much more features.

Last but not least: it's easier.


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Reading IBM Manuals on the Kindle DX (eBook)

[Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4)]

I bought a Kindle DX ebook reader. One reason being that
I wanted to read IBM manuals while travelling. The Kindle
displays the PDFs nicely but lacks the possibility to
jump from the TOC or links. 

For that reason and because other ebook formats, such as
MOBI, have other advantages, I'm looking for a way to transform
IBM manuals into the MOBI format. So far my experiments in
transforming from PDF to MOBI did not show satisfactory
results. I'm hoping that HTML for MOBI would yield in 
better results.

Does anyone know if IBM manuals are available in HTML format?
I'm not thinking about the format show by the Library Server
which is split into too many small pages. I'm think about the
manual as one large HTML file or possibly one HTML file per 
chapter.

Any other suggestions are welcome as well.

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Re: Downloading IBM manuals

[Linda Mooney]

Great tip!  



Thanks, 



Linda 
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For a given folder, select VIEW/CHOOSE DETAILS... from the toolbar and 
check the TITLE box. 

Regards, 
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> 
> In Windows Explorer I add 'Title' to the Explorer windows property. 
Every 
> book I've downloaded had the correct Title already defined. 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Tom Marchant 
wrote: 
> 
> > On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:03:07 -0700, David Alcock wrote: 
> > 
> > >Every time a new z/OS operating system level comes along I go 
> > >to the IBM library page and download each manual I'm interested 
> > >in (i.e. most in the MVS bookshelf) one at a time and give them 
> > >somewhat meaningful names like "zos 110 init and tuning ref.pdf" 
> > >instead of iea2e291.pdf for example.  What do you do? 
> > > 
> > >I just tried out using the DownloadThemAll Firefox add-on and you 
> > >can easily get all manuals with the cryptic 8.3 filenames.   I found 
> > >a PDF library for Python that is easy enough to use to display the 
> > >titles by the file names.  See this web page I created: 
> > > 
> > >  http://www.planetmvs.com/mvsintosh/IBM_Manuals/index.html 
> > > 
> > >I'm probably missing a lot easier way of doing things.  I started 
> > >searching for some type of freeware that displays PDF titles in a 
> > >directory but have been unlucky so far.  Any suggestions? 
> > 
> > This has been discussed here several times before. 
> > 
> > What I do is use the Softcopy Librarian to get the bookshelves and the 
> > extended bookshelves that I am interested in.  Then I use the Softcopy 
> > Reader to find the book (either PDF or boo) that I want to read. 
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Re: Downloading IBM manuals

[Thompson, Steve]

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Subject: Downloading IBM manuals

Every time a new z/OS operating system level comes along I go to the IBM
library page and download each manual I'm interested in (i.e. most in
the MVS bookshelf) one at a time and give them somewhat meaningful names
like "zos 110 init and tuning ref.pdf" instead of iea2e291.pdf for
example.  What do you do?   



I do the same thing, but I leave the "IBM" name as the first characters.
I have asked, and was roundly shot down by someone at IBM, that perhaps
there should be some way to make this friendly.

The thinking is, there are links in the manuals to other of IBM's
manuals, and renaming breaks those. If Acrobat and IBM could get things
to come together, the link would search for the first 8 characters...

[Since I was out of the office yesterday, you watch that someone else
has already posted something similar...]

Regards,
Steve Thompson

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Re: Downloading IBM manuals

[Tom Marchant]

On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:11:27 -0700, David Alcock wrote:
>
>I wish IBM would make it easier to download by bookshelf.

Have you tried using the Softcopy Librarian?

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Re: Downloading IBM manuals

[Hal Merritt]

They did. The Softcopy Librarian product that Tom spoke about is about as 
painless as it gets. A couple of keystrokes, and go home while gigabytes of 
books congest the company network.  

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>   http://www.planetmvs.com/mvsintosh/IBM_Manuals/index.html 
>

If you tried to go to that link and it failed, try again.  My web provider 
looks to have changed owners and possibly data centers.   There's nothing 
terribly exciting there.  I think I'll try Bruno's method tonight. 

I wish IBM would make it easier to download by bookshelf.  

 

 
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Re: Downloading IBM manuals

[Gibney, Dave]

   As below, Softcopy Librarian. Just get'em all. I even brought the
VSE's down last time just in case some cost saving idea needs refuting
or support?

Dave Gibney
Information Technology Services
Washington State University

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> 
> On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:03:07 -0700, David Alcock wrote:
> 
> >Every time a new z/OS operating system level comes along I go
> >to the IBM library page and download each manual I'm interested
> >in (i.e. most in the MVS bookshelf) one at a time and give them
> >somewhat meaningful names like "zos 110 init and tuning ref.pdf"
> >instead of iea2e291.pdf for example.  What do you do?
> >
> >I just tried out using the DownloadThemAll Firefox add-on and you
> >can easily get all manuals with the cryptic 8.3 filenames.   I found
> >a PDF library for Python that is easy enough to use to display the
> >titles by the file names.  See this web page I created:
> >
> >  http://www.planetmvs.com/mvsintosh/IBM_Manuals/index.html
> >
> >I'm probably missing a lot easier way of doing things.  I started
> >searching for some type of freeware that displays PDF titles in a
> >directory but have been unlucky so far.  Any suggestions?
> 
> This has been discussed here several times before.
> 
> What I do is use the Softcopy Librarian to get the bookshelves and the
> extended bookshelves that I am interested in.  Then I use the Softcopy
> Reader to find the book (either PDF or boo) that I want to read.
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Re: Downloading IBM manuals

[David Alcock]

>   http://www.planetmvs.com/mvsintosh/IBM_Manuals/index.html 
>

If you tried to go to that link and it failed, try again.  My web provider 
looks to have changed owners and possibly data centers.   There's nothing 
terribly exciting there.  I think I'll try Bruno's method tonight. 

I wish IBM would make it easier to download by bookshelf.  

 

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Re: Downloading IBM manuals

[Wilkins, Mike]

I do basically the same as Bruno.

I save the r9pdf.htm page, replace the hyperlinks with the dir path
containing the manuals, then download all manuals into the same dir
keeping the original name.  Works great, AND, you can search the entire
(r9pdf.html) page to look for what you want.
Also, depending on the version of Adobe, you can also search within all
manuals looking for what you want (in extreme cases).

Mike Wilkins 
Accenture 

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Subject: Downloading IBM manuals

Every time a new z/OS operating system level comes along I go to the IBM
library page and download each manual I'm interested in (i.e. most in
the MVS bookshelf) one at a time and give them somewhat meaningful names
like "zos 110 init and tuning ref.pdf" instead of iea2e291.pdf for
example.  What do you do?   

I just tried out using the DownloadThemAll Firefox add-on and you can
easily get all manuals with the cryptic 8.3 filenames.   I found a PDF
library for Python that is easy enough to use to display the titles by
the file names.  See this web page I created: 

  http://www.planetmvs.com/mvsintosh/IBM_Manuals/index.html

I'm probably missing a lot easier way of doing things.  I started
searching for some type of freeware that displays PDF titles in a
directory but have been unlucky so far.  Any suggestions? 

 

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Re: Downloading IBM manuals

[Johnston, Robert E]

Wow! Thanks John very much for that excellent tidbit. Sure never occurred to 
me...

Robert

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> For a given folder, select VIEW/CHOOSE DETAILS... from the toolbar and
> check the TITLE box.
> 
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Re: Downloading IBM manuals

[John P Kalinich]

For a given folder, select VIEW/CHOOSE DETAILS... from the toolbar and 
check the TITLE box.

Regards,
John K

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07:37:25 AM:

> Can you explain this a little more? I am feeling especially dense today. 
:)
> 
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> In Windows Explorer I add 'Title' to the Explorer windows property. 
Every
> book I've downloaded had the correct Title already defined.
> 
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Tom Marchant 
wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:03:07 -0700, David Alcock wrote:
> >
> > >Every time a new z/OS operating system level comes along I go
> > >to the IBM library page and download each manual I'm interested
> > >in (i.e. most in the MVS bookshelf) one at a time and give them
> > >somewhat meaningful names like "zos 110 init and tuning ref.pdf"
> > >instead of iea2e291.pdf for example.  What do you do?
> > >
> > >I just tried out using the DownloadThemAll Firefox add-on and you
> > >can easily get all manuals with the cryptic 8.3 filenames.   I found
> > >a PDF library for Python that is easy enough to use to display the
> > >titles by the file names.  See this web page I created:
> > >
> > >  http://www.planetmvs.com/mvsintosh/IBM_Manuals/index.html
> > >
> > >I'm probably missing a lot easier way of doing things.  I started
> > >searching for some type of freeware that displays PDF titles in a
> > >directory but have been unlucky so far.  Any suggestions?
> >
> > This has been discussed here several times before.
> >
> > What I do is use the Softcopy Librarian to get the bookshelves and the
> > extended bookshelves that I am interested in.  Then I use the Softcopy
> > Reader to find the book (either PDF or boo) that I want to read.
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Re: Downloading IBM manuals

[Johnson Jr., Donald E]

Can you explain this a little more? I am feeling especially dense today. :)

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In Windows Explorer I add 'Title' to the Explorer windows property.  Every
book I've downloaded had the correct Title already defined.

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Tom Marchant wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:03:07 -0700, David Alcock wrote:
>
> >Every time a new z/OS operating system level comes along I go
> >to the IBM library page and download each manual I'm interested
> >in (i.e. most in the MVS bookshelf) one at a time and give them
> >somewhat meaningful names like "zos 110 init and tuning ref.pdf"
> >instead of iea2e291.pdf for example.  What do you do?
> >
> >I just tried out using the DownloadThemAll Firefox add-on and you
> >can easily get all manuals with the cryptic 8.3 filenames.   I found
> >a PDF library for Python that is easy enough to use to display the
> >titles by the file names.  See this web page I created:
> >
> >  http://www.planetmvs.com/mvsintosh/IBM_Manuals/index.html
> >
> >I'm probably missing a lot easier way of doing things.  I started
> >searching for some type of freeware that displays PDF titles in a
> >directory but have been unlucky so far.  Any suggestions?
>
> This has been discussed here several times before.
>
> What I do is use the Softcopy Librarian to get the bookshelves and the
> extended bookshelves that I am interested in.  Then I use the Softcopy
> Reader to find the book (either PDF or boo) that I want to read.
>
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Re: Downloading IBM manuals

[Mark Pace]

In Windows Explorer I add 'Title' to the Explorer windows property.  Every
book I've downloaded had the correct Title already defined.

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Tom Marchant wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:03:07 -0700, David Alcock wrote:
>
> >Every time a new z/OS operating system level comes along I go
> >to the IBM library page and download each manual I'm interested
> >in (i.e. most in the MVS bookshelf) one at a time and give them
> >somewhat meaningful names like "zos 110 init and tuning ref.pdf"
> >instead of iea2e291.pdf for example.  What do you do?
> >
> >I just tried out using the DownloadThemAll Firefox add-on and you
> >can easily get all manuals with the cryptic 8.3 filenames.   I found
> >a PDF library for Python that is easy enough to use to display the
> >titles by the file names.  See this web page I created:
> >
> >  http://www.planetmvs.com/mvsintosh/IBM_Manuals/index.html
> >
> >I'm probably missing a lot easier way of doing things.  I started
> >searching for some type of freeware that displays PDF titles in a
> >directory but have been unlucky so far.  Any suggestions?
>
> This has been discussed here several times before.
>
> What I do is use the Softcopy Librarian to get the bookshelves and the
> extended bookshelves that I am interested in.  Then I use the Softcopy
> Reader to find the book (either PDF or boo) that I want to read.
>
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Re: Downloading IBM manuals

[Tom Marchant]

On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:03:07 -0700, David Alcock wrote:

>Every time a new z/OS operating system level comes along I go 
>to the IBM library page and download each manual I'm interested 
>in (i.e. most in the MVS bookshelf) one at a time and give them 
>somewhat meaningful names like "zos 110 init and tuning ref.pdf" 
>instead of iea2e291.pdf for example.  What do you do?
>
>I just tried out using the DownloadThemAll Firefox add-on and you 
>can easily get all manuals with the cryptic 8.3 filenames.   I found 
>a PDF library for Python that is easy enough to use to display the 
>titles by the file names.  See this web page I created:
>
>  http://www.planetmvs.com/mvsintosh/IBM_Manuals/index.html
>
>I'm probably missing a lot easier way of doing things.  I started 
>searching for some type of freeware that displays PDF titles in a 
>directory but have been unlucky so far.  Any suggestions?

This has been discussed here several times before.

What I do is use the Softcopy Librarian to get the bookshelves and the
extended bookshelves that I am interested in.  Then I use the Softcopy
Reader to find the book (either PDF or boo) that I want to read.

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Re: Downloading IBM manuals

[Shane]

On Wed, 2009-04-15 at 02:18 -0500, Bruno Sugliani wrote:

> What about using the r10pdf.htm provided by IBM ?
> Just modifying the source (replacing http:// etc by the real path on the
> directory )

This can be done from the web as well, and is (effectively) what I do.
I have a (Linux) bash script that I use to pull the index page, and
strip out what I want - the hrefs and the tables. That way I get an
updated index page with sensible manual names without any effort.
Then it diffs my previous index.html, and generates a file that gets fed
into wget to pull new/updated manuals. Unfortunately relies on the dash
level of the manual number to determine updates - and sometimes IBM
don't bother updating the dash level.
Handy to have a script I can just fire off every so often to get updates
automagically.

Shane ...

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Re: Downloading IBM manuals

[Bruno Sugliani]

What about using the r10pdf.htm provided by IBM ?
Just modifying the source (replacing http:// etc by the real path on the
directory )
For years we have been copying the CD content with its html index onto a HFS
on 3390 and using SMB to put it online.
This way there is one single copy and you can access from any desktop PC in
your shop or even via VPN from outside if you are called at night.
When new books are coming you just do a copy/paste from the PC where the
download took place.(not even needed to FTP)
Of course the HFS on z/OS is 755 protected and available for write to only a
pair of users.
You can use the same DASD for your lookat book format libraries and your pdf
books.
after all we are the masters of centralised data processing :-))
( the best thing about all that is to always have access to your books from
any location in your company and use the same index pointing to the books).
Bruno Sugliani 
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Re: Downloading IBM manuals

[Alan Young]

David Alcock wrote:
> I just tried out using the DownloadThemAll Firefox add-on and you
> can easily get all manuals with the cryptic 8.3 filenames.   I found
> a PDF library for Python that is easy enough to use to display the
> titles by the file name.  See this web page I created:
>
>  http://www.planetmvs.com/mvsintosh/IBM_Manuals/index.html
>
> I'm probably missing a lot easier way of doing things.  I started
> searching for some type of freeware that displays PDF titles in a
> directory but have been unlucky so far.  Any suggestions?

There's a nifty option in DTA that will do that for you.  Change the
renaming mask from  *name*.*ext*  to  *text* *name*.*ext* and DTA
will put the link description in front of the unhelpful filename.
In the zOS Internet Library, the descriptions are the text in of the
link.  For example, "iea2u100.pdf" becomes  "z/OS V1R9.0 MVS Capacity
Provisioning User's Guide iea2u100.pdf".  The only problem with that
is it breaks the embedded PDF links.  That's fixable on a unix system
with symlinks.  You might be able to fix it on a Windows system with
a NTFS link helper utility, but I haven't tried.

Alan

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Downloading IBM manuals

[David Alcock]

Every time a new z/OS operating system level comes along I go to the IBM 
library page and download each manual I'm interested in (i.e. most in the MVS 
bookshelf) one at a time and give them somewhat meaningful names like "zos 110 
init and tuning ref.pdf" instead of iea2e291.pdf for example.  What do you do?  
 

I just tried out using the DownloadThemAll Firefox add-on and you can easily 
get all manuals with the cryptic 8.3 filenames.   I found a PDF library for 
Python that is easy enough to use to display the titles by the file names.  See 
this web page I created: 

  http://www.planetmvs.com/mvsintosh/IBM_Manuals/index.html

I'm probably missing a lot easier way of doing things.  I started searching for 
some type of freeware that displays PDF titles in a directory but have been 
unlucky so far.  Any suggestions? 

 

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Re: IBM manuals (was Re: Migrating me from linux/bsd to zOS)

[O'Mara, Kevin, ITD]

I thought I'd already gotten my 2 cents in ,but I missed a halfpenny.

Of certain importance would be:

"z/OS MVS System Commands" manual.

"JES2 commands manual" 
 - (really, more system commands, Job Entry Subsystem) possibly JES3??

"DFSMS/MVS Utilites"  
 - (how to copy a file etc.)

And drum roll...

"MVS Initialization and Tuning Reference" 
 -(how does this all come together exactly = describes each member of
SYS1.PARMLIB in detail)

If your co-workers have some JCL libraries where they stash their jobs,
you should very humbly, and with due deference, ask them to share.

Kevin

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Re: IBM manuals (was Re: Migrating me from linux/bsd to zOS)

[Kent Ramsay]

The Binder is described in the "z/OS VxRx.x MVS Program Management" books,
the User's guide and the one on Advanced Facilities.  But you're right, the
old names were easier to remember.

Kent

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On 8 Apr 2006 16:50:09 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles Mills) wrote:

  [re: IBM Reference manuals]
> > The are basically written as if you know
> > *everything* except the one thing you're currently 
> reading about.

>They are also written on the assumption that you will 
>somehow intuit where
>to look for the answers - for example, that the way to 
>copy a disk file
>would be documented in a manual called "DFSMSdfp Utilities."

  Now that we have softcopy manuals, there's no longer 
a need for the "Manual of Missing Macros".  Instead, as you 
pointed out, we need the "Index of Functions vs. Manual 
Titles".  I can still never remember the name of the manual 
that describes the Binder.

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IBM manuals (was Re: Migrating me from linux/bsd to zOS)

[Arthur T.]

On 8 Apr 2006 16:50:09 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main 
(Message-ID:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles Mills) wrote:


 [re: IBM Reference manuals]

> The are basically written as if you know
> *everything* except the one thing you're currently 
reading about.


They are also written on the assumption that you will 
somehow intuit where
to look for the answers - for example, that the way to 
copy a disk file

would be documented in a manual called "DFSMSdfp Utilities."


 Now that we have softcopy manuals, there's no longer 
a need for the "Manual of Missing Macros".  Instead, as you 
pointed out, we need the "Index of Functions vs. Manual 
Titles".  I can still never remember the name of the manual 
that describes the Binder.


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Re: pages marked as blank in IBM manuals

[Paul Gilmartin]

In a recent note, john gilmore said:

> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:13:04 +
> 
> It is almost certainly too late to recover the legitimate use of 'oxymoron'
> here; but it is perhaps worth noting that its original and still its only
> legitimate use is as a rhetorical figure that states an apparent
> contradition and then shows that it is in fact no such thing.
> 
I hadn't understood that; I'm not sure I do yet.  Can you enlighten
us with examples of a fully legitimate oxymoron and a conventional,
illegitimate oxymoron.

> Use of 'oxymoron' in this sense has a long history, extending from the
> Alexandrian rhetoricians  forward through Milton, Voltaire, Burke, and I. A.
> Richards.   The cute folk etymology that relates 'oxymoron' to 'moron' has
> less weight, and it of course marks its users as uninformed.
> 
It's more than a folk etymology.  I understand that "oxy" means
"sharp" and "moron" means dull.  So "oxymoron" is an onomatopoeia,
notional rather than phonic.  (Is there a precise name for such a
figure?)  A free English translation that nicely mirrors the sense
is "bittersweet".

And I had believed that the etymology of the English "moron"
was related; viz. cognitively dull.

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Re: pages marked as blank in IBM manuals

[Ed Gould]

On Jun 26, 2005, at 9:23 AM, Steve Comstock wrote:


john gilmore wrote:

Ted MacNeil writes:


We used to call that “The IBM oxymoron”.

A page stating it's blank, by definition cannot be blank.



In our course materials we have pages that we
want blank so that, for example, the next
section will start on a right hand page. We
have for years now included:

   This page intentionally left almost blank.

Kind regards,

-Steve Comstock
The Trainer's Friend, Inc.




Steve,

In other words paged aligned:-)

Ed

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Re: pages marked as blank in IBM manuals

[Steve Comstock]

john gilmore wrote:

Ted MacNeil writes:



We used to call that “The IBM oxymoron”.

A page stating it's blank, by definition cannot be blank.





In our course materials we have pages that we
want blank so that, for example, the next
section will start on a right hand page. We
have for years now included:

   This page intentionally left almost blank.

Kind regards,

-Steve Comstock
The Trainer's Friend, Inc.

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Re: pages marked as blank in IBM manuals

[Paul Hanrahan]

I hadn't heard the term oxymoron until I'd been at IBM for a few years. We
had a colloquialism in my family that was used in the same way oxymoron was.
The colloquialism was, "a self contradiction," which I haven't heard anyone
use in years. 

As an information development coordinator for the VM operating system I was
exposed to the reason for the blank page and had to answer reader comment
forms that were sent in on some very sincere issues and some that were just
silly.

I was teasing about the blank page because of someone's early comment about,
"call your system programmer."  I remember the first time a friend explained
to me that I was the system programmer and had to figure things out.

I had some friends who were very tolerant and kind early on in my career
when I was chagrined at the comment, "call your systems progammer." 

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Ted MacNeil writes:

>
>We used to call that "The IBM oxymoron".
>
>A page stating it's blank, by definition cannot be blank.
>

This practice was defensive.  IBM received too many, many too many, requests

to replace these putatively defective blank pages.  Bright-eyed readers 
apparently judged that they might be missing something important.

It is almost certainly too late to recover the legitimate use of 'oxymoron' 
here; but it is perhaps worth noting that its original and still its only 
legitimate use is as a rhetorical figure that states an apparent 
contradition and then shows that it is in fact no such thing.

Use of 'oxymoron' in this sense has a long history, extending from the 
Alexandrian rhetoricians  forward through Milton, Voltaire, Burke, and I. A.

Richards.   The cute folk etymology that relates 'oxymoron' to 'moron' has 
less weight, and it of course marks its users as uninformed.

John Gilmore
Ashland, MA 01721
USA

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pages marked as blank in IBM manuals

[john gilmore]

Ted MacNeil writes:



We used to call that “The IBM oxymoron”.

A page stating it's blank, by definition cannot be blank.



This practice was defensive.  IBM received too many, many too many, requests 
to replace these putatively defective blank pages.  Bright-eyed readers 
apparently judged that they might be missing something important.


It is almost certainly too late to recover the legitimate use of 'oxymoron' 
here; but it is perhaps worth noting that its original and still its only 
legitimate use is as a rhetorical figure that states an apparent 
contradition and then shows that it is in fact no such thing.


Use of 'oxymoron' in this sense has a long history, extending from the 
Alexandrian rhetoricians  forward through Milton, Voltaire, Burke, and I. A. 
Richards.   The cute folk etymology that relates 'oxymoron' to 'moron' has 
less weight, and it of course marks its users as uninformed.


John Gilmore
Ashland, MA 01721
USA

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