Re: question about Oracle on the mainframe
David, Where did you see SAP Business Suite was no longer being ported to z/OS? I have tired to a GOOGLE search and couldn't find anything. Gray Maddry -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 6:31 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: question about Oracle on the mainframe John McKown wrote: Are you aware that Oracle on z/OS is functionally stabilized at release 10? I.e. the newer Oracle releases will not be ported to run under z/OS at all. As of right now, release 10 remains supported on z/OS. As another said, I've read of a number of z/Linux users using Oracle quite happily. SAP Business Suite is the same, no longer being ported to z/OS. It seems that z/Linux is becoming a very strategic platform for both vendors and IBM. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html E-mail correspondence to and from this address may be subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties by an authorized state official. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: question about Oracle on the mainframe
Maddry, Gray wrote: David, Where did you see SAP Business Suite was no longer being ported to z/OS? I have tired to a GOOGLE search and couldn't find anything. Gray Maddry Find the white paper here... https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/go/portal/prtroot/docs/library/uuid/003bc24a-d8c4-2910-7cae-cabb639f6d7b -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 6:31 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: question about Oracle on the mainframe John McKown wrote: Are you aware that Oracle on z/OS is functionally stabilized at release 10? I.e. the newer Oracle releases will not be ported to run under z/OS at all. As of right now, release 10 remains supported on z/OS. As another said, I've read of a number of z/Linux users using Oracle quite happily. SAP Business Suite is the same, no longer being ported to z/OS. It seems that z/Linux is becoming a very strategic platform for both vendors and IBM. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html E-mail correspondence to and from this address may be subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties by an authorized state official. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: question about Oracle on the mainframe
On 16 Oct 2008 04:58:41 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: The reason I heard why Oracle 10g was the last release supported on z/OS was that IBM did not have any plans to update their clandestine Media Manager to 64-bit addressing. If true I would like to have about 4 hours with the IBM mainframe strategists. I believe penny-pinching accountants with no vision for how things inter-relate have taken over. Clark Morris Regards, John K Bret Hoesly of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 10/15/2008 03:37:07 PM: Yes, Oracle 10g is the last release that will run under z/OS on a mainframe. We just recently upgraded to v10.2.0.3.0 and are running it under z/OS v1.9. Oracle v10.2 is the terminal release for z/OS and premier support for it ends in July 2012, although extended support after that indefinitely for a price. If you ever want to go to v11, it can't be done on the mainframe unless you run it, as others have mentioned, under a z/linux-z/VM partition (which I'm hoping we'll get to try out sometime). HTH, Bret Hoesly -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 3:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: question about Oracle on the mainframe On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:08:12 -0700, Kurt Eastwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rich and John and anyone else who wants to respond, Are you saying: Oracle up to release 10 will run under z/OS but Oracle about release 10 will not run under z/OS but will run under z/Linux running under z/OS? Kurt That is my understanding. z/OS goes up to rel 10 only. z/Linux is still fully supported by the newer releases as are the other UNIX type boxes. I guess z/OS UNIX is just different enough to require too much porting for the demand. -- John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: question about Oracle on the mainframe
R.S. wrote: David Crayford wrote: [...] 15 years ago I worked on one of the first mainframe DB2 data warehouse systems in the UK. We used SP2 AIX boxes for the mining, and they were very quick back then. I suppose it all depends on the z10 and how IBM prices them... They seem to be making an effort to bring to TCO down. Well, at risk of going to new war I disagree. g I don't see too much effort. 0.9 MSU is good thing to compete with second hand market. Crossed wires me thinks! I was talking about z/Linux. IBM are giving away z/VM if you have a z10 and only want to run linux. I haven't done the math but that could make it a very competitive platform. The z10 looks very good on paper, a speed demon. It needs to be, the current crop of high end *nix boxes are fast and reliable. IBM don't release bench-marketing like TPC for the mainframe so it's difficult to compare the platforms. All we have is stuff like this http://www.itjungle.com/big/big110706-story01-fig01.html. It's pretty sad when the mainframes biggest iron is getting smashed by wintel... The only thing I could consider as the effort are software tools, especially must have ones. IBM develops (or buys) many various tools IMHO not only to compete with large ISVs, but also to give customers real choice. Is CA-1 too expensive? Then choose RMM. Competition means lower prices even for those who stay with CA, BMC, others products. We went far off original topic (but still about mainframes) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: question about Oracle on the mainframe
I cannot speak for Oracle licensing terms obviously -- check with Oracle -- but z10 is quad core technology so would evidently use their 0.75 price multiplier per core for licensing. For example, if you have 4 dual core Intel/AMD CPUs then that would be 4 Oracle processor licenses (8 cores * 0.5 = 4). Four z10 IFLs, however, would be 3 Oracle processor licenses (4 * 0.75 = 3). - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan / Asia-Pacific E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: question about Oracle on the mainframe
David Crayford wrote: [...] SAP Business Suite is the same, no longer being ported to z/OS. It seems that z/Linux is becoming a very strategic platform for both vendors and IBM. Or mainframe is less strategic for both... (justification: it seems to be cheaper to use AIX on pSeries) -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2008 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA wynosi 118.642.672 zote i zosta w caoci wpacony. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: question about Oracle on the mainframe
The reason I heard why Oracle 10g was the last release supported on z/OS was that IBM did not have any plans to update their clandestine Media Manager to 64-bit addressing. Regards, John K Bret Hoesly of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 10/15/2008 03:37:07 PM: Yes, Oracle 10g is the last release that will run under z/OS on a mainframe. We just recently upgraded to v10.2.0.3.0 and are running it under z/OS v1.9. Oracle v10.2 is the terminal release for z/OS and premier support for it ends in July 2012, although extended support after that indefinitely for a price. If you ever want to go to v11, it can't be done on the mainframe unless you run it, as others have mentioned, under a z/linux-z/VM partition (which I'm hoping we'll get to try out sometime). HTH, Bret Hoesly -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 3:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: question about Oracle on the mainframe On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:08:12 -0700, Kurt Eastwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rich and John and anyone else who wants to respond, Are you saying: Oracle up to release 10 will run under z/OS but Oracle about release 10 will not run under z/OS but will run under z/Linux running under z/OS? Kurt That is my understanding. z/OS goes up to rel 10 only. z/Linux is still fully supported by the newer releases as are the other UNIX type boxes. I guess z/OS UNIX is just different enough to require too much porting for the demand. -- John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: question about Oracle on the mainframe
Oracle on the mainframe. Here are a few highlights done here 1. Have Oracle DB on z/OS but it is functionally stablized in the 31 bit mode. 2. Have z/VM LPAR Virtual Linux systems: a. Oracle DB in 64 bit mode which use Websphere Application Server running on another Virtual Linux. b. Oracle DB in 64 bit mode and Oracle Application Server c. DB2 in 64 bit mode with Websphere Application Server 3. Another variation has Oracle DB in 64 bit mode in a Virtual Linux Server on the z/VM LPAR with the application running in Websphere in a z/OS Parallel Sysplex. 4. Consider Oracle licenses are the same for a 2-Core Server (or laptop) equates to 1-IFL (0.50 Intel Core = 1-IFL) on z800/890/900/990/z9BC/z9EC/z10. If you are talking about AIX/UNIX, then it is 0.75 Core = 1-IFL. You should get onto a z/VM talklist where they have adopted zLinux under z/VM with a passion. You can contact me offlist for some material I have written over the last few years concerning what you would need and the choices for support, etc. QUITE reasonable in cost when you factor in what an IFL can do with all those Virtual Penguins running things like Oracle, DB2, Websphere, Firewalls (free), Routers (free) , z/VM VLANs (free), Switches (free) and miles and miles of FAST free virtual cabling not to mention all those virtual twist-ties to organize things. jim -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: question about Oracle on the mainframe
R.S. wrote: David Crayford wrote: [...] SAP Business Suite is the same, no longer being ported to z/OS. It seems that z/Linux is becoming a very strategic platform for both vendors and IBM. Or mainframe is less strategic for both... (justification: it seems to be cheaper to use AIX on pSeries) Maybe, but if you're already running SAP on z/OS and have legacy apps running DB2 then z/Linux maybe the right choice for QOS. I'm not sure, but you make a good point. The high end *nix boxes have the grunt and price points to be very attractive to companies running ERP... 15 years ago I worked on one of the first mainframe DB2 data warehouse systems in the UK. We used SP2 AIX boxes for the mining, and they were very quick back then. I suppose it all depends on the z10 and how IBM prices them... They seem to be making an effort to bring to TCO down. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: question about Oracle on the mainframe
David Crayford wrote: [...] 15 years ago I worked on one of the first mainframe DB2 data warehouse systems in the UK. We used SP2 AIX boxes for the mining, and they were very quick back then. I suppose it all depends on the z10 and how IBM prices them... They seem to be making an effort to bring to TCO down. Well, at risk of going to new war I disagree. g I don't see too much effort. 0.9 MSU is good thing to compete with second hand market. The only thing I could consider as the effort are software tools, especially must have ones. IBM develops (or buys) many various tools IMHO not only to compete with large ISVs, but also to give customers real choice. Is CA-1 too expensive? Then choose RMM. Competition means lower prices even for those who stay with CA, BMC, others products. We went far off original topic (but still about mainframes) -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2008 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA wynosi 118.642.672 zote i zosta w caoci wpacony. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: question about Oracle on the mainframe
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of R.S. David Crayford wrote: [...] 15 years ago I worked on one of the first mainframe DB2 data warehouse systems in the UK. We used SP2 AIX boxes for the mining, and they were very quick back then. I suppose it all depends on the z10 and how IBM prices them... They seem to be making an effort to bring to TCO down. Well, at risk of going to new war I disagree. g I don't see too much effort. 0.9 MSU is good thing to compete with second hand market. The only thing I could consider as the effort are software tools, especially must have ones. IBM develops (or buys) many various tools IMHO not only to compete with large ISVs, but also to give customers real choice. Is CA-1 too expensive? Then choose RMM. Competition means lower prices even for those who stay with CA, BMC, others products. And competition fosters improvements in the products themselves. For example, would DFSORT have its present capabilities and features, had Syncsort (et al) not existed? Indeed, would Syncsort have advanced to its current state, had DFSORT not decided to play leapfrog with them? Prospective loss of market share can be a powerful motivator. :-) -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: question about Oracle on the mainframe
John McKown wrote: Are you aware that Oracle on z/OS is functionally stabilized at release 10? I.e. the newer Oracle releases will not be ported to run under z/OS at all. As of right now, release 10 remains supported on z/OS. As another said, I've read of a number of z/Linux users using Oracle quite happily. SAP Business Suite is the same, no longer being ported to z/OS. It seems that z/Linux is becoming a very strategic platform for both vendors and IBM. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: question about Oracle on the mainframe
R.S. wrote: David Crayford wrote: [...] SAP Business Suite is the same, no longer being ported to z/OS. It seems that z/Linux is becoming a very strategic platform for both vendors and IBM. Or mainframe is less strategic for both... (justification: it seems to be cheaper to use AIX on pSeries) That is going to depend upon a great many things. -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: 414-491-6001 Ans Service: 360-715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2009 - Orlando, FL - May 15-19, 2009 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
question about Oracle on the mainframe
Hello, We run z/OS 1.8 but no Oracle on the mainframe. We have some Unix machines running Oracle apps. We are considering exploring utilizing Oracle on the mainframe and moving some Oracle apps off the Unix machines to the mainframe with the intent of saving on the Oracle licenses, among other things. Has anyone gone this route? Moving Oracle apps off Unix machines and onto the mainframe? If so, did you save money? Improve service? Any problems doing this? Any expenses that make this not feasible? Is anyone aware of any books or documentation that gives information on doing this? Thanks to everyone in advance. Kurt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: question about Oracle on the mainframe
Kurt Eastwood wrote: Hello, We run z/OS 1.8 but no Oracle on the mainframe. We have some Unix machines running Oracle apps. We are considering exploring utilizing Oracle on the mainframe and moving some Oracle apps off the Unix machines to the mainframe with the intent of saving on the Oracle licenses, among other things. Has anyone gone this route? Moving Oracle apps off Unix machines and onto the mainframe? If so, did you save money? Improve service? Any problems doing this? Any expenses that make this not feasible? Is anyone aware of any books or documentation that gives information on doing this? Thanks to everyone in advance. Kurt There are a number of shops that have done this and are very happy. This question is best asked on the linux-390 list. For info on the how-to's check the VM web site http://www.vm.ibm.com (they'll have pointers to info and redbooks), or search the Redbooks site. -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: 414-491-6001 Ans Service: 360-715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2009 - Orlando, FL - May 15-19, 2009 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: question about Oracle on the mainframe
On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:52:31 -0700, Kurt Eastwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, We run z/OS 1.8 but no Oracle on the mainframe. We have some Unix machines running Oracle apps. We are considering exploring utilizing Oracle on the mainframe and moving some Oracle apps off the Unix machines to the mainframe with the intent of saving on the Oracle licenses, among other things. Has anyone gone this route? Moving Oracle apps off Unix machines and onto the mainframe? If so, did you save money? Improve service? Any problems doing this? Any expenses that make this not feasible? Is anyone aware of any books or documentation that gives information on doing this? Thanks to everyone in advance. Kurt Are you aware that Oracle on z/OS is functionally stabilized at release 10? I.e. the newer Oracle releases will not be ported to run under z/OS at all. As of right now, release 10 remains supported on z/OS. As another said, I've read of a number of z/Linux users using Oracle quite happily. -- John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: question about Oracle on the mainframe
We are looking hard at this. Based on the number of servers we have to be consolidated, there are significant potential savings available. We are at the POC stage. I.E. The financials have been reviewed and look promising. IBM is willing to make IFLs and z/VM avail on a trial basis at no charge for evaluation purposes (90 days IIRC). Contact your IBM rep for details. While I have no personal experience with actual deployment at this time, I know of some respected individuals at other companies that have performed at least a partial consolidation and are extremely happy with the results. HTH, P.S. DB2 can be a substitute for ORACLE in this case. snip We run z/OS 1.8 but no Oracle on the mainframe. We have some Unix machines running Oracle apps. We are considering exploring utilizing Oracle on the mainframe and moving some Oracle apps off the Unix machines to the mainframe with the intent of saving on the Oracle licenses, among other things. Has anyone gone this route? Moving Oracle apps off Unix machines and onto the mainframe? If so, did you save money? Improve service? Any problems doing this? Any expenses that make this not feasible? Is anyone aware of any books or documentation that gives information on doing this? /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: question about Oracle on the mainframe
Rich and John and anyone else who wants to respond, Are you saying: Oracle up to release 10 will run under z/OS but Oracle about release 10 will not run under z/OS but will run under z/Linux running under z/OS? Kurt --- On Wed, 10/15/08, John McKown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: John McKown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: question about Oracle on the mainframe To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 8:00 PM On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:52:31 -0700, Kurt Eastwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, We run z/OS 1.8 but no Oracle on the mainframe. We have some Unix machines running Oracle apps. We are considering exploring utilizing Oracle on the mainframe and moving some Oracle apps off the Unix machines to the mainframe with the intent of saving on the Oracle licenses, among other things. Has anyone gone this route? Moving Oracle apps off Unix machines and onto the mainframe? If so, did you save money? Improve service? Any problems doing this? Any expenses that make this not feasible? Is anyone aware of any books or documentation that gives information on doing this? Thanks to everyone in advance. Kurt Are you aware that Oracle on z/OS is functionally stabilized at release 10? I.e. the newer Oracle releases will not be ported to run under z/OS at all. As of right now, release 10 remains supported on z/OS. As another said, I've read of a number of z/Linux users using Oracle quite happily. -- John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: question about Oracle on the mainframe
On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:08:12 -0700, Kurt Eastwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rich and John and anyone else who wants to respond, Are you saying: Oracle up to release 10 will run under z/OS but Oracle about release 10 will not run under z/OS but will run under z/Linux running under z/OS? Kurt That is my understanding. z/OS goes up to rel 10 only. z/Linux is still fully supported by the newer releases as are the other UNIX type boxes. I guess z/OS UNIX is just different enough to require too much porting for the demand. -- John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: question about Oracle on the mainframe
PMFJI here, but one crucial misunderstanding you may have -- z/Linux does *not* run under z/OS. z/Linux runs in its own virtual machine under z/VM (or on a bare LPAR), z/OS runs in its own separate LPAR (though you *can* run z/OS in a virtual machine under z/VM, you probably wouldn't want to for performance reasons). IOW, Oracle will run in a separate z/Linux under z/VM in the LPAR that z/VM runs on (can be on an IFL). You will still need communications between the Oracle under z/Linux and your z/OS applications just as you do today, but the communications can be internal to the CEC instead of over an external network. HTH Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Eastwood Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 4:08 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: question about Oracle on the mainframe Rich and John and anyone else who wants to respond, Are you saying: Oracle up to release 10 will run under z/OS but Oracle about release 10 will not run under z/OS but will run under z/Linux running under z/OS? Kurt This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: question about Oracle on the mainframe
Yes, Oracle 10g is the last release that will run under z/OS on a mainframe. We just recently upgraded to v10.2.0.3.0 and are running it under z/OS v1.9. Oracle v10.2 is the terminal release for z/OS and premier support for it ends in July 2012, although extended support after that indefinitely for a price. If you ever want to go to v11, it can't be done on the mainframe unless you run it, as others have mentioned, under a z/linux-z/VM partition (which I'm hoping we'll get to try out sometime). HTH, Bret Hoesly -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John McKown Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 3:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: question about Oracle on the mainframe On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:08:12 -0700, Kurt Eastwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rich and John and anyone else who wants to respond, Are you saying: Oracle up to release 10 will run under z/OS but Oracle about release 10 will not run under z/OS but will run under z/Linux running under z/OS? Kurt That is my understanding. z/OS goes up to rel 10 only. z/Linux is still fully supported by the newer releases as are the other UNIX type boxes. I guess z/OS UNIX is just different enough to require too much porting for the demand. -- John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: question about Oracle on the mainframe
Kurt Eastwood wrote: Rich and John and anyone else who wants to respond, Are you saying: Oracle up to release 10 will run under z/OS but Oracle about release 10 will not run under z/OS but will run under z/Linux running under z/OS? Kurt To add to what Peter said Yes, Linux for System z is an independent System z operating system. It does not rely on or require any services from z/OS. It does not run as a z/OS started task, it is not in any way related to z/OS, except that it enjoys the same architecture. You can certainly run it in an LPAR, but it makes much more sense to let your penguin colony be fruitful and multiply under z/VM. It's definitely much easier. -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: 414-491-6001 Ans Service: 360-715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2009 - Orlando, FL - May 15-19, 2009 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
