Re: Calculate deltas using DFSORT

[Tom Brennan]

It's not meant to be disrespectful, and the only joke is the elves.  The 
rest is reality as I see it.  Whether that's good or bad I guess depends 
on your point of view.


On 8/30/2022 10:19 PM, kekronbekron wrote:

Although this is a joke... some respect for Sri please.
Remember that he doesn't need to share anything.
We'll be the ones looking dumb with capable tools & not knowing how to properly 
use them.

- KB

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On Wednesday, August 31st, 2022 at 10:08 AM, Tom Brennan 
 wrote:



But with DFSORT I don't need to know the syntax at all. I can post a
note here describing what I'm trying to do along with some data samples,
and like the elves who make shoes, complete JCL and SYSIN will magically
appear the next morning.

On 8/30/2022 5:02 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:


The DFSORT command syntax is dreadful -- too positional. It's
hard to read ...,keyword,value,keyword,value,...
Considerably better would be ,keyword(value), or ,keyword=value,...
I suppose the design is OK to programmers versed in it, but it
repels the novice. It may be easy for a computer to parse,
but silicon is now cheaper than carbon.



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Re: Calculate deltas using DFSORT

[kekronbekron]

Although this is a joke... some respect for Sri please.
Remember that he doesn't need to share anything.
We'll be the ones looking dumb with capable tools & not knowing how to properly 
use them.

- KB

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On Wednesday, August 31st, 2022 at 10:08 AM, Tom Brennan 
 wrote:


> But with DFSORT I don't need to know the syntax at all. I can post a
> note here describing what I'm trying to do along with some data samples,
> and like the elves who make shoes, complete JCL and SYSIN will magically
> appear the next morning.
> 
> On 8/30/2022 5:02 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
> 
> > The DFSORT command syntax is dreadful -- too positional. It's
> > hard to read ...,keyword,value,keyword,value,...
> > Considerably better would be ,keyword(value), or ,keyword=value,...
> > I suppose the design is OK to programmers versed in it, but it
> > repels the novice. It may be easy for a computer to parse,
> > but silicon is now cheaper than carbon.
> 
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Re: Calculate deltas using DFSORT

[Tom Brennan]

But with DFSORT I don't need to know the syntax at all.  I can post a 
note here describing what I'm trying to do along with some data samples, 
and like the elves who make shoes, complete JCL and SYSIN will magically 
appear the next morning.


On 8/30/2022 5:02 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:


The DFSORT command syntax is dreadful -- too positional.  It's
hard to read ...,keyword,value,keyword,value,...
Considerably better would be ,keyword(value), or ,keyword=value,...
I suppose the design is OK to programmers versed in it, but it
repels the novice.  It may be easy for a computer to parse,
but silicon is now cheaper than carbon.


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Re: Calculate deltas using DFSORT

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 08:38:19 +1000, Andrew Rowley  wrote:
>
>If we're looking at alternatives, there's also Java. I can never
>understand what the DFSORT solutions are doing from reading the control
>cards, ...
>
+1
The DFSORT command syntax is dreadful -- too positional.  It's
hard to read ...,keyword,value,keyword,value,...
Considerably better would be ,keyword(value), or ,keyword=value,...
I suppose the design is OK to programmers versed in it, but it
repels the novice.  It may be easy for a computer to parse,
but silicon is now cheaper than carbon.

> ... and I'm sure I am not alone there. A programming language makes
>it much easier for the person who has to understand it in the future.
>
DFSORT is properly data driven, like some of my favorite UNIX utilities;
it's the correct design.

MVS, however, makes it unduly difficult to combine utilities.  DFSORT
has a transformation to upper case; UNIX sort needs none.  It's
easy enough to:
sort  | awk '{ print toupper() }'

No need to replicate such a function in every utility that might need it.

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Re: Calculate deltas using DFSORT

[Andrew Rowley]

On 30/08/2022 10:46 pm, Bob Bridges wrote:

I usually keep my bigoted mouth shut in threads like this, but guys, why 
DFSORT?  That's great for the simple stuff, but REXX is so much easier and you 
don't have to sweat over more and more and yet more inventive solutions.


If we're looking at alternatives, there's also Java. I can never 
understand what the DFSORT solutions are doing from reading the control 
cards, and I'm sure I am not alone there. A programming language makes 
it much easier for the person who has to understand it in the future.


Java performance should be much better than Rexx if you have significant 
numbers of records. I wouldn't consider 5 million records a large 
number, unless they are particularly large records.


Andrew Rowley
Black Hill Software

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Re: IDC3009I & IDC1566I with a weird dsn

[Joe Monk]

Look at the messages:

IDC3009I ** VSAM CATALOG RETURN CODE IS 50 - REASON CODE IS IGG0CLFF-5
IDC1566I ** .|. ...8..U...2. NOT LISTED

Where is the core trash in 1566 coming from? 3009 return code 50 is VVDS
unavailable.

Joe

On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 12:27 PM Paul Gilmartin <
042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 11:35:55 -0500, Joe Monk wrote:
>
> >Might be this: https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/apar/OA57619
> >
> >Users of CSI and LISTCAT Level may receive inconsistent errors
> >on entries that have no problem otherwise due to uninitialized
> >workarea data.
> >
> The APAR says:
>  Local fix
> fix errant entries, re-run listcat
>
> ???  Since there are PTFs, I believe the "uninitialized workarea data"
> belong to
> IDCAMS, not the user.  The user needs detailed "Local fix" information.
>
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Re: IDC3009I & IDC1566I with a weird dsn

[Allan Staller]

Classification: Confidential

LISTCAT ENT(entryname) ALL
Select the component (cluster index) and volume (xx)

Use IDCAMS in batch:
//STEP EXEC IDCAMS
//SYSPRINT  DD *
//DD1   DD UNIT=SYSDA,DISP=SHR,VOL=SER=xx
//SYSIN DD  *
 DEL componentname VVR FILE(DD1)
/*

HTH,

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Hi all,

Another situation that come up. Is anyone of you familiar with these
messages:

IDC3009I ** VSAM CATALOG RETURN CODE IS 50 - REASON CODE IS IGG0CLFF-5 IDC1566I 
** .|. ...8..U...2. NOT LISTED

As far as I can see, there is not one dataset with such a name on any of the 
available DASD. And yet I have 34 of those messages across 7 user catalogs (and 
they can be there for a long time) Aside from a RC(04) on the LISTCAT CAT(), 
there seems to be no other issue.
However, I cannot find a way to get rid of those as the dataset name does not 
adhere to restrictions.
Any ideas?
jack

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Re: Calculate deltas using DFSORT

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 12:55:19 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
>
>... (Does DFSORT support regular expressions?) ...
>
Yes.  I found it in the Ref.  With several pages specifying regular expression 
syntax
which would better be replaced by a citation of another document.

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Re: Calculate deltas using DFSORT

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 17:21:22 +, Sri h Kolusu wrote:
>
>≫ Little argument other than the economic balance between silicon and carbon, 
>counting learning in the latter.  How much data?
>
>Take a simple of ca e less than or equal to 5 Million records. You can run a 
>test and see for your self as to how much it takes to do the same using REXX 
>vs DFSORT.
> 
I wouldn't try to sort even a hundred records purely in REXX.  It's the wrong 
tool for that.


>>>... address LINKMVS DFSORT ...
>
>Aren't you invoking DFSORT from REXX?  I think you skipped reading the text in 
>BOLD
>
Which "text in BOLD"?  There are several instances.

> " Moreover you need to have the Data SORTED before you can calculate the 
> deltas and you need to invoke SORT or have a separate step to sort the data"
>
POSIX pipes support using multiple utilities in a single job step.  I've used 
Binder | sed.

>We can debate about it, but in the end, if someone asks for a DFSORT solution 
>and if it can be done using it, then I will try to post which would show case 
>the rich features available with the product.
> 
If Bob had asked the list for a way to sort a file using REXX, would you be 
slow to jump in
and offer DFSORT as a better alternative?

Some tasks require multiple tools.  What if someone asked for sorted output of 
all records
matching a given regular expression (Does DFSORT support regular expressions?)
I'd be inclined to pipe "sed" into DFSORT; I'd expect you to call regex in an 
input exit.
Both work.

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Re: IDC3009I & IDC1566I with a weird dsn

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 11:35:55 -0500, Joe Monk wrote:

>Might be this: https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/apar/OA57619
>
>Users of CSI and LISTCAT Level may receive inconsistent errors
>on entries that have no problem otherwise due to uninitialized
>workarea data.
>
The APAR says:
 Local fix
fix errant entries, re-run listcat

???  Since there are PTFs, I believe the "uninitialized workarea data" belong to
IDCAMS, not the user.  The user needs detailed "Local fix" information.

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Re: Calculate deltas using DFSORT

[Sri h Kolusu]

≫ Little argument other than the economic balance between silicon and carbon, 
counting learning in the latter.  How much data?

Paul,

Take a simple of case less than or equal to 5 Million records. You can run a 
test and see for your self as to how much it takes to do the same using REXX vs 
DFSORT.

>>... address LINKMVS DFSORT ...

Aren't you invoking DFSORT from REXX?  I think you skipped reading the text in 
BOLD

 " Moreover you need to have the Data SORTED before you can calculate the 
deltas and you need to invoke SORT or have a separate step to sort the data"

≫" ... everything looks like a nail."  (Yes, to Bob and me also.)

We can debate about it, but in the end, if someone asks for a DFSORT solution 
and if it can be done using it, then I will try to post which would show case 
the rich features available with the product.



Thanks,
Kolusu
DFSORT Development
IBM Corporation




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Re: Calculate deltas using DFSORT

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 16:28:24 +, Sri h Kolusu wrote:

>>> I usually keep my bigoted mouth shut in threads like this, but guys, why 
>>> DFSORT?  That's great for the simple stuff, but REXX is so much easier and 
>>> you don't have to sweat over more and more and yet more inventive solutions.
>
>Bob,
>
>Rexx is a handy tool, but it performs poorly against huge volumes of data.  
>
Little argument other than the economic balance between silicon and carbon, 
counting
learning in the latter.  How much data?

>Moreover you need to have the Data SORTED before you can calculate the deltas 
>and you need to invoke SORT or have a separate step to sort the data, as you 
>cannot load the entire file into a stem.
>
???  How about:
address syscall pipe P.
call BPXWDYN "alloc dd(SORTOUT) path('/dev/fd/"P.2"') ..."
... address LINKMVS DFSORT ...
/* Use LINEIN() to read from P.1 -- no stem; no separate step. */

>If you are sorting the data using SORT, why not calculate the delta there 
>itself?
>
" ... everything looks like a nail."  (Yes, to Bob and me also.)

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Re: IDC3009I & IDC1566I with a weird dsn

[Joe Monk]

Might be this: https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/apar/OA57619

Users of CSI and LISTCAT Level may receive inconsistent errors
on entries that have no problem otherwise due to uninitialized
workarea data.


Joe

On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 9:04 AM Jack Zukt  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Another situation that come up. Is anyone of you familiar with these
> messages:
>
> IDC3009I ** VSAM CATALOG RETURN CODE IS 50 - REASON CODE IS IGG0CLFF-5
> IDC1566I ** .|. ...8..U...2. NOT LISTED
>
> As far as I can see, there is not one dataset with such a name on any of
> the available DASD. And yet I have 34 of those messages across 7 user
> catalogs (and they can be there for a long time)
> Aside from a RC(04) on the LISTCAT CAT(), there seems to be no other issue.
> However, I cannot find a way to get rid of those as the dataset name does
> not adhere to restrictions.
> Any ideas?
> jack
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Re: Calculate deltas using DFSORT

[Sri h Kolusu]

>> I usually keep my bigoted mouth shut in threads like this, but guys, why 
>> DFSORT?  That's great for the simple stuff, but REXX is so much easier and 
>> you don't have to sweat over more and more and yet more inventive solutions.

Bob,

Rexx is a handy tool, but it performs poorly against huge volumes of data.  
Moreover you need to have the Data SORTED before you can calculate the deltas 
and you need to invoke SORT or have a separate step to sort the data, as you 
cannot load the entire file into a stem.

If you are sorting the data using SORT, why not calculate the delta there 
itself?


Thanks,
Kolusu

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Re: Calculate deltas using DFSORT

[Michael Babcock]

Don’t have an answer, just a question.  Do you need to allow for the
quantity to go up?  Say additional inventory was added and went from say,
20 to 40, which may result in a negative number during subtraction?

On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 7:47 AM Bob Bridges  wrote:

> I usually keep my bigoted mouth shut in threads like this, but guys, why
> DFSORT?  That's great for the simple stuff, but REXX is so much easier and
> you don't have to sweat over more and more and yet more inventive solutions.
>
> ---
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>
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf
> Of Massimo Biancucci
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2022 07:09
>
> I first tried with WHEN=GROUP but with no success.
>
> After that I hopefully succeeded with a JOIN.
> The main idea is to extract keys from file and number those simply by
> sequential number.
> So the STAMPA "view" at ST010 should show something like this:
>
> SUGAR100   01
> SUGAR9702
> SUGAR9303
> X2004
> Y150   05
> Y140   06
>
> then try to JOIN every key with the relative (+1) of the original file.
> So SUGAR-02 of the original file must match with SUGAR-01 of the
> keys subset.
> This has been done with the JNF2CNTL ADD statement.
>
> The final sample output is:
>
>
> +1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+0+1+2
> SUGAR,2022/08/01,100  01
>   1  00
> SUGAR,2022/08/02,97   02SUGAR100
> 02B  03
> SUGAR,2022/08/03,93   03SUGAR97
>  03B  04
> X,2022/08/03,20   04SUGAR93
>  04B  00
> Y,2022/08/01,150  05X20
>  05B  00
> Y,2022/08/01,140  06Y150
> 06B  10
>
> where first piece (1-56) is the original record, the second piece (57-80)
> is the trace of the JOIN process and last column (81:86) is the result you
> need.
> Double check if the idea is effective.
>
> //*---*
> //* EXTRACT KEYS AND SEQNUM FROM ORIGINAL FILE*
> //* FILE SHOULD BE ORDERED BY PRODUCT AND DATE.   *
> //*---*
> //ST010   EXEC PGM=SORT
> //SYSOUT  DD SYSOUT=*
> //SORTOUT DD DSN=,DISP=(,PASS),SPACE=(TRK,(1,1),RLSE)
> //STAMPA  DD SYSOUT=*
> //SORTIN  DD *
> SUGAR,2022/08/01,100
> SUGAR,2022/08/02,97
> SUGAR,2022/08/03,93
> X,2022/08/03,20
> Y,2022/08/01,150
> Y,2022/08/01,140
> /*
> //SYSIN  DD *
>  SORT FIELDS=(1,5,A,7,10,A),FORMAT=BI
>  OUTFIL FNAMES=SORTOUT,
>   OUTREC=(1,5,18,10,SEQNUM,6,ZD)
>  OUTFIL FNAMES=STAMPA,
>   OUTREC=(1,5,18,10,SEQNUM,6,ZD)
> /*
> //*---*
> //* JOIN WITH ORIGINAL FILE ON SEQNUM + 1 *
> //*---*
> //ST020   EXEC PGM=SORT
> //SYSOUT  DD SYSOUT=*
> //SORTOUT DD SYSOUT=*
> //F1  DD *
> SUGAR,2022/08/01,100
> SUGAR,2022/08/02,97
> SUGAR,2022/08/03,93
> X,2022/08/03,20
> Y,2022/08/01,150
> Y,2022/08/01,140
> /*
> //JNF1CNTL DD *
>  INREC FIELDS=(1,50,SEQNUM,6,ZD)
> /*
> //F2  DD DSN=,DISP=(OLD,DELETE)
> //JNF2CNTL DD *
>  INREC FIELDS=(1,15,16,6,ZD,ADD,+1,TO=ZD,LENGTH=6)
> /*
> //SYSIN  DD *
>  JOINKEYS F1=F1,FIELDS=(51,6,A)
>  JOINKEYS F2=F2,FIELDS=(16,6,A)
>  JOIN UNPAIRED,F1
>  REFORMAT FIELDS=(F1:1,56,F2:1,21,?)
>  SORT FIELDS=COPY
>  OUTFIL FNAMES=SORTOUT,REMOVECC,
>   IFTHEN=(WHEN=(1,5,CH,EQ,56,5,CH),
>OVERLAY=(81:61,10,UFF,SUB,18,10,UFF,EDIT=(TT))),
>   IFTHEN=(WHEN=NONE,
>OVERLAY=(81:C'00'))
>
> --- Il giorno mar 30 ago 2022 alle ore 09:32 Mario Bezzi <
> subscriptions.mario.be...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> > say I have a file with goods, dates, and available quantities, not
> > necessarily sorted. I want to sort it and calculate daily deltas.
> >
> > For example using the following input :
> >
> > Product,Date,Availability
> > Sugar,2022/08/01,100
> > Sugar,2022/08/02,97
> > Sugar,2022/08/03,93
> >
> > I need to get to this:
> >
> > Product,Date,Sold
> > Sugar,2022/08/01,N/A  (No daily delta for the first record)
> > Sugar,2022/08/02,3(100 - 97)
> > Sugar,2022/08/03,4(97 - 93)
> >
> > May I use bultin DFSORT functions to calculate deltas from the
> > previous record and the current one?
> >
> > I had a look 

Re: Calculate deltas using DFSORT

[Sri h Kolusu]

Mario,

Max has the right idea but it is a overkill with 2 passes of data.  Here is a 
simpler version with just 1 pass.   Since the data is NOT sorted, I added a 
SORT statement.

I assumed that the product has a length of 5 bytes and starts in position 1. I 
also added lot of comments so that it is easy to understand the job.

//STEP0100 EXEC PGM=SORT
//SYSOUT   DD SYSOUT=*
//SORTIN   DD *
SUGAR,2022/08/01,100
SUGAR,2022/08/02,97
SUGAR,2022/08/03,93
X,2022/08/03,20
Y,2022/08/01,150
Y,2022/08/01,140
ABCDE,2022/07/02,140
ABCDE,2022/07/03,120
//SORTOUT  DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSINDD *
  SORT FIELDS=(01,16,CH,A),EQUALS

** Tag records based on the key with a sequence number
  OUTREC IFOUTLEN=80,
 IFTHEN=(WHEN=GROUP,KEYBEGIN=(01,5),
 PUSH=(081:SEQ=5)),

** If sequence is even then push the availability to odd number
** record at position 087, so that is easy to calculate delta
 IFTHEN=(WHEN=GROUP,
BEGIN=(085,1,BI,EQ,B'...1'),
 PUSH=(087:018,03)),

** If sequence is even then push the availability to odd number
** record at position 091, so that is easy to calculate delta
 IFTHEN=(WHEN=GROUP,
BEGIN=(085,1,BI,EQ,B'...0'),
 PUSH=(091:018,03)),

** once again check the sequence for odd and calculate the
** delta of availability at position 22
 IFTHEN=(WHEN=(085,1,BI,EQ,B'...1'),
  OVERLAY=(22:091,03,UFF,SUB,
  018,03,UFF,M10,LENGTH=3),
  HIT=NEXT),

** For the first record the delta is not applicable, so hardcode
** the value of N/A as delta for it
 IFTHEN=(WHEN=(081,5,ZD,EQ,1),
  OVERLAY=(22:C'N/A')),

** once again check the sequence for even and calculate the
** delta of availability at position 22
 IFTHEN=(WHEN=(085,1,BI,EQ,B'...0'),
  OVERLAY=(22:087,03,UFF,SUB,
  018,03,UFF,M10,LENGTH=3))
/*


The output from this job is

ABCDE,2022/07/02,140 N/A
ABCDE,2022/07/03,120  20
SUGAR,2022/08/01,100 N/A
SUGAR,2022/08/02,973
SUGAR,2022/08/03,934
X,2022/08/03,20  N/A
Y,2022/08/01,150 N/A
Y,2022/08/01,140  10

Further if you have any questions, please let me know

Thanks,
Kolusu
DFSORT Development
IBM Corporation


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To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Calculate deltas using DFSORT

Hello list,

say I have a file with goods, dates, and available quantities, not necessarily 
sorted. I want to sort it and calculate daily deltas.

For example using the following input :

Product,Date,Availability
Sugar,2022/08/01,100
Sugar,2022/08/02,97
Sugar,2022/08/03,93

I need to get to this:

Product,Date,Sold
Sugar,2022/08/01,N/A  (No daily delta for the first record)
Sugar,2022/08/02,3(100 - 97)
Sugar,2022/08/03,4(97 - 93)

May I use bultin DFSORT functions to calculate deltas from the previous record 
and the current one?

I had a look at the OUTREC statement in the Application Programming Manual, but 
as far as I can see arithmetic expressions can only use input fields from the 
current record or decimal constants.

It believe I can achieve the above result using an E35 exit, just wanted to be 
sure that's the only way.

Thanks!
mario

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Does IBM zip docs to order?!

[Paul Gilmartin]

I just downloaded the 800 MB 2.5 doc collection from the link on
.

unzip -v tells me:
 Length   MethodSize  CmprDateTime   CRC-32   Name
  --  ---  -- -   
  738553  Defl:N   702388   5% 08-30-2022 14:46 6c187730  aopa000_v2r5.pdf
 2076313  Defl:N  1825748  12% 08-30-2022 14:46 e463ca55  aopm000_v2r5.pdf
...
   62763  Defl:N 8389  87% 08-30-2022 14:47 48a567e9  index.html
...
 3876788  Defl:N  3369716  13% 08-30-2022 14:49 0c0e6f68  ieama00_v2r5.pdf
 1138276  Defl:N  1050615   8% 08-30-2022 14:49 060c8065  izsc400_v2r5.pdf
  ---  ------
894235892 800188040  11%325 files

The transfer ended at:
-rw-r--r--@ 1 paulgilm  wheel  800228566 Aug 30 14:50 zOSV2R5Library.zip

The timestamps within the archive appear to have been generated
*during*the*transfer*!  Generous, even extravagant.

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Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)

[Carmen Vitullo]

can't make it much clearer !

Carmen

On 8/30/2022 9:54 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

To be clear, the syntax is

Operator
 SEND 'text',U=xx,LOGON

TSO
 SEND 'text' U(xx) LOGON

Note the equal sign for the operator syntax versus the parentheses for the TSO 
syntax. In either case, REXX code has to double the apostrophes or frame them 
in quotes.


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Sorry I was wrong about the COMMA, it is a space SEND 'TEXT'
USER(XXX) LOGON or SAVE all spaces

Carmen


On 8/30/2022 9:31 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

I understand doubling the apostrophe's. What I don't understand is passing what 
looks like a TSO command to ISFSLASH.  In the SEND operator command the space 
after the quoted text would be taken as the end of the operand, so why wasn't 
user(xx) treated as a comment?


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Using either isfexec the issue was that it was processing the single quotes
and removing them - had to double up on them to get them to work.


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Subject: Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)

I'm confused. Doesn't ISFSLASH take an MVS operator command rather than a
TSO command? In an MVS commands, space separates operands from comments,
unlike TSO commands.


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Probably a quoting issue, this works:
   Address SDSF ISFSLASH "'send ''howdy folks'' user(xx)'"

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Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)

[Seymour J Metz]

To be clear, the syntax is

Operator
SEND 'text',U=xx,LOGON

TSO
SEND 'text' U(xx) LOGON

Note the equal sign for the operator syntax versus the parentheses for the TSO 
syntax. In either case, REXX code has to double the apostrophes or frame them 
in quotes.


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Subject: Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)

Sorry I was wrong about the COMMA, it is a space SEND 'TEXT'
USER(XXX) LOGON or SAVE all spaces

Carmen


On 8/30/2022 9:31 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> I understand doubling the apostrophe's. What I don't understand is passing 
> what looks like a TSO command to ISFSLASH.  In the SEND operator command the 
> space after the quoted text would be taken as the end of the operand, so why 
> wasn't user(xx) treated as a comment?
>
>
> --
> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
> Lionel B. Dyck [lbd...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2022 10:20 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)
>
> Using either isfexec the issue was that it was processing the single quotes
> and removing them - had to double up on them to get them to work.
>
>
> Lionel B. Dyck <><
> Website: 
> https://secure-web.cisco.com/1pRB6TU2s1rVZFSUBI4CQyufbt4yog7zfw6H29WDroHqgvOUVizbp8sXznfPfrBWRLS-Sr7eww1A3FS5awXjhHAgDv27tkRIfZ50u0F2iGGa_Z_PJk2i6RtAe-HGM4CkJbhiaWROWMy0_OUrsPpJsDlk9oncpVxlAD_4D5U_-bjKhXuaGNrWnsRhCIk6g9tQyl5v7SpaRG3tCl5zjZKc94T8fP8_vdCosbmHf83fqhgo3jfALcBHx0ADmfHTmHKozzY92JPcGpjVLHT92AiSUnWbAdhf88Bwb_5MOmggFZ50GCkupLFn3CtkqyvUd_o9pS-3HuNNJrnk6L86mGBx4VgkU3RBiSm6swwk4-j3oAvshMy82-bP6lg_0AO4AF-oRYZF7FRxsRIRnSA5-bQWXwjF5flfSOJP027uUrR_4mmBxXf1FlOiKUb6TYyRakzk3/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lbdsoftware.com
> Github: 
> https://secure-web.cisco.com/1PxplXX8bfuj6plftOawaZBits2E60zUaR1h8kUESq4TTggDm1Epc297UmePjkSzV0EXZL8VWnzB49kj6KFY6GriQ2roNyDp1UWZlLtfMMcZQ6uY10GOM-MLBm62nCDxWr78ZVIDC2z-3yrL3iJziFJ0tiKjlSmZVUYj5d5_dsOdSHZd92sdFB6D8QZwMAmpfrdQbvIDhZhEM1fUTtAudEQJsr35XypPRtfvdN_DfONvFmc3TsQQMW1ICP8OxYUqM9ltCxGv3IZ2loGX4mxQXruwcoSy-FE3NmUUWhdiBCVnrAHWmhNau51V_UAgQQrhVdR9p0rEhrWuNmQE0H196ldGswmcRv_Gw-LK-RgocEnUL03d_Hs__i20ye3gVJoNkIjnMJthvqbCJRIGT4M2u3vW0qhBwsUUOboiQslRbA9mRHypGmQ-hTayjA0MXzrQNZYxgxWVRyVXYLG-43jeFqg/https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Flbdyck
>
> “Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you
> are, reputation merely what others think you are.”   - - - John Wooden
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of
> Seymour J Metz
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2022 9:17 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)
>
> I'm confused. Doesn't ISFSLASH take an MVS operator command rather than a
> TSO command? In an MVS commands, space separates operands from comments,
> unlike TSO commands.
>
>
> --
> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of
> Willy Jensen [willy.h.jen...@outlook.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 12:11 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)
>
> Probably a quoting issue, this works:
>   Address SDSF ISFSLASH "'send ''howdy folks'' user(xx)'"
>
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Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)

[Carmen Vitullo]

Crap, can I say that, I forgot this is being issued from SDSF via REXX.

never-mind :(

Carmen

On 8/30/2022 9:45 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

The TSO HELP is for TSO commands, not for MVS operator commands. The TSO SEND 
and the operator SEND do not have the same syntax, and it is the operator SEND 
that requires the comma.


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so I was told the message text and specifying the user() requires a
comma not a blank like I was led to believe in the TSO HELP SEND syntax

Carmen

On 8/30/2022 9:31 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

I understand doubling the apostrophe's. What I don't understand is passing what 
looks like a TSO command to ISFSLASH.  In the SEND operator command the space 
after the quoted text would be taken as the end of the operand, so why wasn't 
user(xx) treated as a comment?


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Subject: Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)

Using either isfexec the issue was that it was processing the single quotes
and removing them - had to double up on them to get them to work.


Lionel B. Dyck <><
Website: 
https://secure-web.cisco.com/1pRB6TU2s1rVZFSUBI4CQyufbt4yog7zfw6H29WDroHqgvOUVizbp8sXznfPfrBWRLS-Sr7eww1A3FS5awXjhHAgDv27tkRIfZ50u0F2iGGa_Z_PJk2i6RtAe-HGM4CkJbhiaWROWMy0_OUrsPpJsDlk9oncpVxlAD_4D5U_-bjKhXuaGNrWnsRhCIk6g9tQyl5v7SpaRG3tCl5zjZKc94T8fP8_vdCosbmHf83fqhgo3jfALcBHx0ADmfHTmHKozzY92JPcGpjVLHT92AiSUnWbAdhf88Bwb_5MOmggFZ50GCkupLFn3CtkqyvUd_o9pS-3HuNNJrnk6L86mGBx4VgkU3RBiSm6swwk4-j3oAvshMy82-bP6lg_0AO4AF-oRYZF7FRxsRIRnSA5-bQWXwjF5flfSOJP027uUrR_4mmBxXf1FlOiKUb6TYyRakzk3/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lbdsoftware.com
Github: 
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Subject: Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)

I'm confused. Doesn't ISFSLASH take an MVS operator command rather than a
TSO command? In an MVS commands, space separates operands from comments,
unlike TSO commands.


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Probably a quoting issue, this works:
   Address SDSF ISFSLASH "'send ''howdy folks'' user(xx)'"

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Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)

[Seymour J Metz]

Thanks; now it makes sense.


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I think in my case it was, I was notified that my test message when out
to the entire TSO community :(

all 10 of them :)


On 8/30/2022 9:27 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> I saw the message that it worked, but I don't understand why "user(xx)" 
> wasn't treated as a comment.
>
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> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
> Carmen Vitullo [petevi...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2022 10:20 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)
>
> I think you are correct, the ISFSLASH takes the input as an MVS operator
> command, I tested this and it worked sending a message to my ID
>
> Carmen
>
> On 8/30/2022 9:16 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>> I'm confused. Doesn't ISFSLASH take an MVS operator command rather than a 
>> TSO command? In an MVS commands, space separates operands from comments, 
>> unlike TSO commands.
>>
>>
>> --
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>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>>
>> 
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
>> Willy Jensen [willy.h.jen...@outlook.com]
>> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 12:11 PM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)
>>
>> Probably a quoting issue, this works:
>>Address SDSF ISFSLASH "'send ''howdy folks'' user(xx)'"
>>
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The TSO HELP is for TSO commands, not for MVS operator commands. The TSO SEND 
and the operator SEND do not have the same syntax, and it is the operator SEND 
that requires the comma.


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
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Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2022 10:34 AM
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so I was told the message text and specifying the user() requires a
comma not a blank like I was led to believe in the TSO HELP SEND syntax

Carmen

On 8/30/2022 9:31 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> I understand doubling the apostrophe's. What I don't understand is passing 
> what looks like a TSO command to ISFSLASH.  In the SEND operator command the 
> space after the quoted text would be taken as the end of the operand, so why 
> wasn't user(xx) treated as a comment?
>
>
> --
> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
> Lionel B. Dyck [lbd...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2022 10:20 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)
>
> Using either isfexec the issue was that it was processing the single quotes
> and removing them - had to double up on them to get them to work.
>
>
> Lionel B. Dyck <><
> Website: 
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> Subject: Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)
>
> I'm confused. Doesn't ISFSLASH take an MVS operator command rather than a
> TSO command? In an MVS commands, space separates operands from comments,
> unlike TSO commands.
>
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>
> Probably a quoting issue, this works:
>   Address SDSF ISFSLASH "'send ''howdy folks'' user(xx)'"
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Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)

[Carmen Vitullo]

Sorry I was wrong about the COMMA, it is a space SEND 'TEXT' 
USER(XXX) LOGON or SAVE all spaces


Carmen


On 8/30/2022 9:31 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

I understand doubling the apostrophe's. What I don't understand is passing what 
looks like a TSO command to ISFSLASH.  In the SEND operator command the space 
after the quoted text would be taken as the end of the operand, so why wasn't 
user(xx) treated as a comment?


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Subject: Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)

Using either isfexec the issue was that it was processing the single quotes
and removing them - had to double up on them to get them to work.


Lionel B. Dyck <><
Website: 
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Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2022 9:17 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)

I'm confused. Doesn't ISFSLASH take an MVS operator command rather than a
TSO command? In an MVS commands, space separates operands from comments,
unlike TSO commands.


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Subject: Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)

Probably a quoting issue, this works:
  Address SDSF ISFSLASH "'send ''howdy folks'' user(xx)'"

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Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)

[Carmen Vitullo]

so I was told the message text and specifying the user() requires a 
comma not a blank like I was led to believe in the TSO HELP SEND syntax


Carmen

On 8/30/2022 9:31 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

I understand doubling the apostrophe's. What I don't understand is passing what 
looks like a TSO command to ISFSLASH.  In the SEND operator command the space 
after the quoted text would be taken as the end of the operand, so why wasn't 
user(xx) treated as a comment?


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
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Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2022 10:20 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)

Using either isfexec the issue was that it was processing the single quotes
and removing them - had to double up on them to get them to work.


Lionel B. Dyck <><
Website: 
https://secure-web.cisco.com/1pRB6TU2s1rVZFSUBI4CQyufbt4yog7zfw6H29WDroHqgvOUVizbp8sXznfPfrBWRLS-Sr7eww1A3FS5awXjhHAgDv27tkRIfZ50u0F2iGGa_Z_PJk2i6RtAe-HGM4CkJbhiaWROWMy0_OUrsPpJsDlk9oncpVxlAD_4D5U_-bjKhXuaGNrWnsRhCIk6g9tQyl5v7SpaRG3tCl5zjZKc94T8fP8_vdCosbmHf83fqhgo3jfALcBHx0ADmfHTmHKozzY92JPcGpjVLHT92AiSUnWbAdhf88Bwb_5MOmggFZ50GCkupLFn3CtkqyvUd_o9pS-3HuNNJrnk6L86mGBx4VgkU3RBiSm6swwk4-j3oAvshMy82-bP6lg_0AO4AF-oRYZF7FRxsRIRnSA5-bQWXwjF5flfSOJP027uUrR_4mmBxXf1FlOiKUb6TYyRakzk3/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lbdsoftware.com
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Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2022 9:17 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)

I'm confused. Doesn't ISFSLASH take an MVS operator command rather than a
TSO command? In an MVS commands, space separates operands from comments,
unlike TSO commands.


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Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 12:11 PM
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Subject: Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)

Probably a quoting issue, this works:
  Address SDSF ISFSLASH "'send ''howdy folks'' user(xx)'"

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Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)

[Carmen Vitullo]

I think in my case it was, I was notified that my test message when out 
to the entire TSO community :(


all 10 of them :)


On 8/30/2022 9:27 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

I saw the message that it worked, but I don't understand why "user(xx)" wasn't 
treated as a comment.


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
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Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2022 10:20 AM
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Subject: Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)

I think you are correct, the ISFSLASH takes the input as an MVS operator
command, I tested this and it worked sending a message to my ID

Carmen

On 8/30/2022 9:16 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

I'm confused. Doesn't ISFSLASH take an MVS operator command rather than a TSO 
command? In an MVS commands, space separates operands from comments, unlike TSO 
commands.


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Subject: Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)

Probably a quoting issue, this works:
   Address SDSF ISFSLASH "'send ''howdy folks'' user(xx)'"

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Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)

[Seymour J Metz]

I understand doubling the apostrophe's. What I don't understand is passing what 
looks like a TSO command to ISFSLASH.  In the SEND operator command the space 
after the quoted text would be taken as the end of the operand, so why wasn't 
user(xx) treated as a comment?


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
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Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2022 10:20 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)

Using either isfexec the issue was that it was processing the single quotes
and removing them - had to double up on them to get them to work.


Lionel B. Dyck <><
Website: 
https://secure-web.cisco.com/1pRB6TU2s1rVZFSUBI4CQyufbt4yog7zfw6H29WDroHqgvOUVizbp8sXznfPfrBWRLS-Sr7eww1A3FS5awXjhHAgDv27tkRIfZ50u0F2iGGa_Z_PJk2i6RtAe-HGM4CkJbhiaWROWMy0_OUrsPpJsDlk9oncpVxlAD_4D5U_-bjKhXuaGNrWnsRhCIk6g9tQyl5v7SpaRG3tCl5zjZKc94T8fP8_vdCosbmHf83fqhgo3jfALcBHx0ADmfHTmHKozzY92JPcGpjVLHT92AiSUnWbAdhf88Bwb_5MOmggFZ50GCkupLFn3CtkqyvUd_o9pS-3HuNNJrnk6L86mGBx4VgkU3RBiSm6swwk4-j3oAvshMy82-bP6lg_0AO4AF-oRYZF7FRxsRIRnSA5-bQWXwjF5flfSOJP027uUrR_4mmBxXf1FlOiKUb6TYyRakzk3/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lbdsoftware.com
Github: 
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Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2022 9:17 AM
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Subject: Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)

I'm confused. Doesn't ISFSLASH take an MVS operator command rather than a
TSO command? In an MVS commands, space separates operands from comments,
unlike TSO commands.


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Subject: Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)

Probably a quoting issue, this works:
 Address SDSF ISFSLASH "'send ''howdy folks'' user(xx)'"

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Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)

[Seymour J Metz]

I saw the message that it worked, but I don't understand why "user(xx)" wasn't 
treated as a comment.


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Carmen Vitullo [petevi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2022 10:20 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)

I think you are correct, the ISFSLASH takes the input as an MVS operator
command, I tested this and it worked sending a message to my ID

Carmen

On 8/30/2022 9:16 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> I'm confused. Doesn't ISFSLASH take an MVS operator command rather than a TSO 
> command? In an MVS commands, space separates operands from comments, unlike 
> TSO commands.
>
>
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>
> 
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> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 12:11 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)
>
> Probably a quoting issue, this works:
>   Address SDSF ISFSLASH "'send ''howdy folks'' user(xx)'"
>
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Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)

[Carmen Vitullo]

I think you are correct, the ISFSLASH takes the input as an MVS operator 
command, I tested this and it worked sending a message to my ID


Carmen

On 8/30/2022 9:16 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

I'm confused. Doesn't ISFSLASH take an MVS operator command rather than a TSO 
command? In an MVS commands, space separates operands from comments, unlike TSO 
commands.


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Probably a quoting issue, this works:
  Address SDSF ISFSLASH "'send ''howdy folks'' user(xx)'"

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Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)

[Lionel B. Dyck]

Using either isfexec the issue was that it was processing the single quotes
and removing them - had to double up on them to get them to work.


Lionel B. Dyck <><
Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com
Github: https://github.com/lbdyck

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of
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Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2022 9:17 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)

I'm confused. Doesn't ISFSLASH take an MVS operator command rather than a
TSO command? In an MVS commands, space separates operands from comments,
unlike TSO commands.


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of
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Subject: Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)

Probably a quoting issue, this works:
 Address SDSF ISFSLASH "'send ''howdy folks'' user(xx)'"

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Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)

[Seymour J Metz]

I'm confused. Doesn't ISFSLASH take an MVS operator command rather than a TSO 
command? In an MVS commands, space separates operands from comments, unlike TSO 
commands.


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Subject: Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)

Probably a quoting issue, this works:
 Address SDSF ISFSLASH "'send ''howdy folks'' user(xx)'"

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Re: z/OSMF - again, next issue

[rpinion865]

I "think" ADCD is used for ISV's.  In addition, zPDT uses the ADCD DASD images.




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--- Original Message ---
On Tuesday, August 30th, 2022 at 10:07 AM, Carmen Vitullo  
wrote:


> okay, thanks for the clarification
> 
> Carmen
> 
> On 8/30/2022 9:01 AM, rpinion865 wrote:
> 
> > IBM sends, usually twice a year, DASD images with every conceivable z/OS 
> > software component. It's load and go, or should I say load and IPL. It's 
> > IBM's idea of a z/OS system.
> > 
> > Sent with Proton Mail secure email.
> > 
> > --- Original Message ---
> > On Tuesday, August 30th, 2022 at 9:57 AM, Carmen Vitullo 
> > petevi...@gmail.com wrote:
> > 
> > > the ADCD approach? I'm not familiar with that terminology, is that the
> > > billable service from IBM that build your environment + product and you
> > > just restore that environment? , I worked in state government where IBM
> > > lead the Y2K project for us and that's how we receive the required OS
> > > and products to support Y2K, also I was part of an IBM Global Services
> > > team that supported many clients, and IIRC used that mechanism to
> > > upgrade their systems. that long response said, sorry, that's not an
> > > option for us right now.
> > > 
> > > what I struggle with is exactly what you have described
> > > 
> > > I am concerned that z/OSMF is running on a prod LPAR, and the product
> > > we're trying to upgrade is required to be upgraded before I can apply
> > > and test the RSU maint I have received and the required PTF I need is
> > > contained in that maint level.
> > > 
> > > I'm asking support for a work around to this issue, and asking for a
> > > resolution to my submit failure issue.
> > > 
> > > Carmen
> > > 
> > > On 8/30/2022 8:42 AM, Colin Paice wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I used to have to struggle with IBM installation manager - a package for
> > > > installing software on midrange machines.
> > > > I remember being in a hotel trying to download a fix - but Installation
> > > > Manager(IM) decided it needed to upgrade itself before doing anything. 
> > > > It
> > > > took over 6 hours to download the new version of the Installation 
> > > > manager,
> > > > and another 2 hours to download the fix I needed! ( I had to set my 
> > > > alarm
> > > > for 3 am, and 5 am to click "go" on the install)
> > > > 
> > > > IBM's argument was you only need to learn one interface (IM) to install
> > > > software ( across Windows and Unix) - not realising I needed to know
> > > > Windows, Unix AND IBM's IM.
> > > > 
> > > > z/OSMF is inevitable - Question: where are the skills of today? Answer:
> > > > Java.
> > > > 
> > > > Personally I would follow the ADCD approach and download a volume of
> > > > product libraries and its SMP/E environment (and never use the SMP/E
> > > > environment)
> > > > 
> > > > Colin
> > > > 
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Re: SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)

[Seymour J Metz]

The command texct that he needs is "SEND 'test message',Save"; the comma is 
part of the SEND command. Wouldn't "/SEND 'test message';Save" either include a 
semicolon as part of the command text or treat the text as two separate 
commands, neither of which is correct?


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You may try /SEND 'test message';Save

De: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  en nombre de 
Lionel B. Dyck 
Enviado: lunes, 29 de agosto de 2022 13:03
Para: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Asunto: [EXTERNAL] SDSF ISFEXEC issue - help (please)

I'm trying to issue the operator SEND command via ISFEXEC and it is failing
and yet it works when done manually under SDSF ULOG

The command: /SEND 'test message',Save

The error messages:

ISF302E "," was seen in command position 29 where one of the following was
expected: (, END-OF-STMT, QUOTED-STRING, UNQUOTED-STRING.

ISF767I Request completed.


Yet I can issue /D IPLINFO and it works.

Any advice welcome

Lionel B. Dyck <><
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Re: z/OSMF - again, next issue

[Carmen Vitullo]

okay, thanks for the clarification

Carmen

On 8/30/2022 9:01 AM, rpinion865 wrote:

IBM sends, usually twice a year, DASD images with every conceivable z/OS 
software component.  It's load and go, or should I say load and IPL.  It's 
IBM's idea of a z/OS system.




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--- Original Message ---
On Tuesday, August 30th, 2022 at 9:57 AM, Carmen Vitullo  
wrote:



the ADCD approach? I'm not familiar with that terminology, is that the
billable service from IBM that build your environment + product and you
just restore that environment? , I worked in state government where IBM
lead the Y2K project for us and that's how we receive the required OS
and products to support Y2K, also I was part of an IBM Global Services
team that supported many clients, and IIRC used that mechanism to
upgrade their systems. that long response said, sorry, that's not an
option for us right now.

what I struggle with is exactly what you have described

I am concerned that z/OSMF is running on a prod LPAR, and the product
we're trying to upgrade is required to be upgraded before I can apply
and test the RSU maint I have received and the required PTF I need is
contained in that maint level.

I'm asking support for a work around to this issue, and asking for a
resolution to my submit failure issue.

Carmen

On 8/30/2022 8:42 AM, Colin Paice wrote:


I used to have to struggle with IBM installation manager - a package for
installing software on midrange machines.
I remember being in a hotel trying to download a fix - but Installation
Manager(IM) decided it needed to upgrade itself before doing anything. It
took over 6 hours to download the new version of the Installation manager,
and another 2 hours to download the fix I needed! ( I had to set my alarm
for 3 am, and 5 am to click "go" on the install)

IBM's argument was you only need to learn one interface (IM) to install
software ( across Windows and Unix) - not realising I needed to know
Windows, Unix AND IBM's IM.

z/OSMF is inevitable - Question: where are the skills of today? Answer:
Java.

Personally I would follow the ADCD approach and download a volume of
product libraries and its SMP/E environment (and never use the SMP/E
environment)

Colin

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Re: z/OSMF - again, next issue

[Carmen Vitullo]

there are so many pieces, parts that are supported by different teams?

as I stated my first case open with IBM on the zosmf issue I was having 
was related to JES2EDS, it took almost a year for them to figure out my 
mail server SMTP did not require authentication , so a special jar file 
was built and a local override file was required to get past this issue, 
before that it was me weekly sometimes daily trying to get an update on 
my issue only to get, we're researching your problem, :(  I had to reach 
out to my IBM account rep to get any action, so, an instrumental product 
required to install your OS and other subsystems gets little to no 
attention, that's been my case.


IMHO - zosmf needs to be more stable and more tolerant like the OS it is 
built to support


Carmen

On 8/30/2022 8:53 AM, Mike Shaw wrote:

It seems to me that z/OSMF is being developed one piece at a time, slowly,
instead of starting with a well-thought out and relatively complet design
ahead of time. Portions are being developed and added, one at a time, as
the need for those portions of the product is discovered. It's like we are
all participants in a giant beta test.

My opinion only...

Mike Shaw
MVS/QuickRef Support Group
Chicago-Soft, Ltd.


On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 9:01 AM Carmen Vitullo  wrote:


from what I was told by my teammate, Zsecure version 2.5 requires
z/osmf, I could be wrong, she could be mistaken, but the issues she's
having I think would affect Serverpac, or whatever it's called now,
build JCL and submit JCL.

my case I opened was initially on the errors we were seeing on the
submit errors, that was not addressed, just the easy stuff, now I have
to recreate the issue again and make sure I have the correct error
message for support. typical of z/osmf support; my first case I opened
for z/osmf issues was open and not resolved for 364 days, so, so far I'm
ahead of the game I support

Carmen

On 8/30/2022 7:54 AM, Keith Gooding wrote:

Just curious - I thought that only Serverpac required the use of z/OSMF

and CBPDOs are installed using traditional methods. Are there now products
which have to be installed using z/OSMF ? Is it now possible to install a
CNPDO using z/OSMF.

For the record my experience of z/OSMF for Serverpac installation has

been positive - I would not want to go back to the ISPF dialogue method.

Keith Gooding


On 30 Aug 2022, at 13:37, Carmen Vitullo  wrote:

I don't recall ever having to work or needing to use a product to

install or maintain a product that required another product as finicky as
z/osmf

at my 2.4 level downloading a product to support that level, the json

file version was not compatible WTH,

opening a case with IBM apparently there's an APAR PTF, sorry this is

just insane using a product built on Java to support a Mainframe product
and have this much incompatibility :(

sad, very sad

MHO

Carmen


On 8/29/2022 8:34 PM, Robert Garrett wrote:
zOSMF.  A reasonably good idea that has been extremely poorly and

sloppily implemented.

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Carmen Vitullo

Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 1:13 PM
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Subject: z/OSMF - again, next issue

I'm working with a teammate that is required to use z/osmf to download

an new zsecure release, we successfully added the portable software
instance and provide the https server and client parms, updated the
JOBCARD, the next parts we hunt and peck and guess what to do next, we
found quite by accident we had to 'complete add' to get to the part to
submit the job to download the product from IBM, selecting action/submit
the job we get this error

The request could not be completed because an error occurred. Error:

IZUD999E

Aug 29, 2022, 1:02:08 PM

An error occurred when attempting to contact the application server.

The server returned HTTP status code: 500.

IZUG857E

the IZU messages are no help, we checked the configuration for the

system(s) and found nothing configured wrong we saw, the PDS where the JCL
was stored we submitted via TSO /ISPF successfully, next we went on and
selected NEXT to move to the next job/process then we got this error An
error occurred when attempting to contact the application server. The
server returned HTTP status code: 500.

IZUG857E

Aug 29, 2022, 1:02:45 PM
I did not see any error in the IZUSVR1 address space or in the syslog.
my question, has anyone been successful submitting from z/osmf? is

there somewhere I can check that needs configuring I may have missed?

thanks

Carmen

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Re: How to use LISTDSI from Rexx under Unix shell?

[Seymour J Metz]

That sounds like yet another reason for TSO/E to steal GLOBALV from CMS.


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Apologies for not responding sooner, but I will reply with working example 
soon, have been busy on other things.

However, I can report that the OUTTRAP works from shell-initiated Rexx because 
the "address tso" fork inherits FD's 0, 1, 2 and OUTTRAP captures FD 1 
(SYSTSPRT from the TSO fork) with no problem.  This is documented behavior.

Rexx variables like SYSREASON, etc., set by LISTDSI in the TSO fork do not get 
set in the OMVS address space, which is also documented behavior.  The TSO fork 
has to output values needed in the OMVS address space to SYSTSPRT (or maybe to 
the stack, still testing to see if that works or not).  STEMPUSH/STEMPULL may 
also work as a communication path if the stack survives the TSO fork.

Peter

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On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 00:21:06 -0500, Hank Oerlemans wrote:

>See 
>https://secure-web.cisco.com/1M_xTFEwsPu00bvTEXVoZ6ceCVLecodh0nIoNgvwQ18pdzx6Vy7o2y-zaArhM5Kcw80Kv1AzhsQIJ5rbf5CaaTGcAE_BDI3enwZVMjuoyG1RJrKXP_V22QV6pK3uG-icphKU0bvNN0x5tl9yquz-Pxa5CvY1bIhWICpX2twXGc9pfrcewAtYJd6DKevKpbzVfon6i6VL4NroShKAP9ocRM66WPaaD7Ebf_GViqw8qt_MmxSQXxT74GyvUjcpTwp7NdtHsBMXSzgBDPofOz-w4csC1sInaplpul3MyOl_eGtPZOJclcZdnvjMPMOiaAlraVsQiGnhSo-QaRshj4_duZfr4eDu-VzxmJY9vmNmFMjSjEY8nV9nHapNI4MFsRtLGiD8EesULn3_4lJyZr4z3F2Lj-yITmMIONMfALQ--fpi_bHLjTmMysQNupDBw43G-0xisxRNl1THXjgI78wpc1w/https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ibm.com%2Fdocs%2Fen%2Fzos%2F2.4.0%3Ftopic%3Denvironment-examples__%3B%21%21Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg%21KesIc3TuKFptIfS99HLPkItYC57T3-XBb_a8ys87AZ1h99dzxzncHglIwjzi5SNqrng0k3qbkEbI7zpOrBXnbR7m58EpuMzuNMVK5iI1%24
>
>Use your OMVS Rexx to Address TSO 'exec (mydsi)' your working code and outtrap 
>to work with the results.
>
I suspect that outtrap will take effect in the TMP fork, not in the OMVS fork.

You might use a POSIX pipe (address syscall pipe p.), details left as an 
exercise
for the student.

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IDC3009I & IDC1566I with a weird dsn

[Jack Zukt]

Hi all,

Another situation that come up. Is anyone of you familiar with these
messages:

IDC3009I ** VSAM CATALOG RETURN CODE IS 50 - REASON CODE IS IGG0CLFF-5
IDC1566I ** .|. ...8..U...2. NOT LISTED

As far as I can see, there is not one dataset with such a name on any of
the available DASD. And yet I have 34 of those messages across 7 user
catalogs (and they can be there for a long time)
Aside from a RC(04) on the LISTCAT CAT(), there seems to be no other issue.
However, I cannot find a way to get rid of those as the dataset name does
not adhere to restrictions.
Any ideas?
jack

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Re: z/OSMF - again, next issue

[rpinion865]

IBM sends, usually twice a year, DASD images with every conceivable z/OS 
software component.  It's load and go, or should I say load and IPL.  It's 
IBM's idea of a z/OS system.




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--- Original Message ---
On Tuesday, August 30th, 2022 at 9:57 AM, Carmen Vitullo  
wrote:


> the ADCD approach? I'm not familiar with that terminology, is that the
> billable service from IBM that build your environment + product and you
> just restore that environment? , I worked in state government where IBM
> lead the Y2K project for us and that's how we receive the required OS
> and products to support Y2K, also I was part of an IBM Global Services
> team that supported many clients, and IIRC used that mechanism to
> upgrade their systems. that long response said, sorry, that's not an
> option for us right now.
> 
> what I struggle with is exactly what you have described
> 
> I am concerned that z/OSMF is running on a prod LPAR, and the product
> we're trying to upgrade is required to be upgraded before I can apply
> and test the RSU maint I have received and the required PTF I need is
> contained in that maint level.
> 
> I'm asking support for a work around to this issue, and asking for a
> resolution to my submit failure issue.
> 
> Carmen
> 
> On 8/30/2022 8:42 AM, Colin Paice wrote:
> 
> > I used to have to struggle with IBM installation manager - a package for
> > installing software on midrange machines.
> > I remember being in a hotel trying to download a fix - but Installation
> > Manager(IM) decided it needed to upgrade itself before doing anything. It
> > took over 6 hours to download the new version of the Installation manager,
> > and another 2 hours to download the fix I needed! ( I had to set my alarm
> > for 3 am, and 5 am to click "go" on the install)
> > 
> > IBM's argument was you only need to learn one interface (IM) to install
> > software ( across Windows and Unix) - not realising I needed to know
> > Windows, Unix AND IBM's IM.
> > 
> > z/OSMF is inevitable - Question: where are the skills of today? Answer:
> > Java.
> > 
> > Personally I would follow the ADCD approach and download a volume of
> > product libraries and its SMP/E environment (and never use the SMP/E
> > environment)
> > 
> > Colin
> > 
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Re: z/OSMF - again, next issue

[Carmen Vitullo]

the  ADCD approach? I'm not familiar with that terminology, is that the 
billable service from IBM that build your environment + product and you 
just restore that environment? , I worked in state government where IBM 
lead the Y2K project for us and that's how we receive the required OS 
and products to support Y2K, also I was part of an IBM Global Services 
team that supported many clients, and IIRC used that mechanism  to 
upgrade their systems. that long response said, sorry, that's not an 
option for us right now.


what I struggle with is exactly what you have described

I am concerned that z/OSMF is running on a prod LPAR, and the product 
we're trying to upgrade is required to be upgraded before I can apply 
and test the RSU maint I have received and the required PTF I need is 
contained in that maint level.


I'm asking support for a work around to this issue, and asking for a 
resolution to my submit failure issue.


Carmen

On 8/30/2022 8:42 AM, Colin Paice wrote:

I used to have to struggle with IBM installation manager - a package for
installing software on midrange machines.
I remember being in a hotel trying to download a fix - but Installation
Manager(IM) decided it needed to upgrade itself before doing anything.  It
took over 6 hours to download the new version of the Installation manager,
and another 2 hours to download the fix I needed!  ( I had to set my alarm
for 3 am, and 5 am to click "go"  on the install)

IBM's argument was you only need to learn one interface (IM) to install
software ( across Windows and Unix) - not realising I needed to know
Windows, Unix AND IBM's IM.

z/OSMF is inevitable - Question: where are the skills of today?  Answer:
Java.

Personally I would follow the ADCD approach and download a volume of
product libraries and its SMP/E  environment (and never use the SMP/E
environment)

Colin

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Re: z/OSMF - again, next issue

[Mike Shaw]

It seems to me that z/OSMF is being developed one piece at a time, slowly,
instead of starting with a well-thought out and relatively complet design
ahead of time. Portions are being developed and added, one at a time, as
the need for those portions of the product is discovered. It's like we are
all participants in a giant beta test.

My opinion only...

Mike Shaw
MVS/QuickRef Support Group
Chicago-Soft, Ltd.


On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 9:01 AM Carmen Vitullo  wrote:

> from what I was told by my teammate, Zsecure version 2.5 requires
> z/osmf, I could be wrong, she could be mistaken, but the issues she's
> having I think would affect Serverpac, or whatever it's called now,
> build JCL and submit JCL.
>
> my case I opened was initially on the errors we were seeing on the
> submit errors, that was not addressed, just the easy stuff, now I have
> to recreate the issue again and make sure I have the correct error
> message for support. typical of z/osmf support; my first case I opened
> for z/osmf issues was open and not resolved for 364 days, so, so far I'm
> ahead of the game I support
>
> Carmen
>
> On 8/30/2022 7:54 AM, Keith Gooding wrote:
> > Just curious - I thought that only Serverpac required the use of z/OSMF
> and CBPDOs are installed using traditional methods. Are there now products
> which have to be installed using z/OSMF ? Is it now possible to install a
> CNPDO using z/OSMF.
> >
> > For the record my experience of z/OSMF for Serverpac installation has
> been positive - I would not want to go back to the ISPF dialogue method.
> >
> > Keith Gooding
> >
> >> On 30 Aug 2022, at 13:37, Carmen Vitullo  wrote:
> >>
> >> I don't recall ever having to work or needing to use a product to
> install or maintain a product that required another product as finicky as
> z/osmf
> >>
> >> at my 2.4 level downloading a product to support that level, the json
> file version was not compatible WTH,
> >>
> >> opening a case with IBM apparently there's an APAR PTF, sorry this is
> just insane using a product built on Java to support a Mainframe product
> and have this much incompatibility :(
> >>
> >> sad, very sad
> >>
> >> MHO
> >>
> >> Carmen
> >>
> >>> On 8/29/2022 8:34 PM, Robert Garrett wrote:
> >>> zOSMF.  A reasonably good idea that has been extremely poorly and
> sloppily implemented.
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> Behalf Of Carmen Vitullo
> >>> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 1:13 PM
> >>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> >>> Subject: z/OSMF - again, next issue
> >>>
> >>> I'm working with a teammate that is required to use z/osmf to download
> an new zsecure release, we successfully added the portable software
> instance and provide the https server and client parms, updated the
> JOBCARD, the next parts we hunt and peck and guess what to do next, we
> found quite by accident we had to 'complete add' to get to the part to
> submit the job to download the product from IBM, selecting action/submit
> the job we get this error
> >>>
> >>> The request could not be completed because an error occurred. Error:
> >>>
> >>> IZUD999E
> >>>
> >>> Aug 29, 2022, 1:02:08 PM
> >>>
> >>> An error occurred when attempting to contact the application server.
> The server returned HTTP status code: 500.
> >>>
> >>> IZUG857E
> >>>
> >>> the IZU messages are no help, we checked the configuration for the
> system(s) and found nothing configured wrong we saw, the PDS where the JCL
> was stored we submitted via TSO /ISPF successfully, next we went on and
> selected NEXT to move to the next job/process then we got this error An
> error occurred when attempting to contact the application server. The
> server returned HTTP status code: 500.
> >>>
> >>> IZUG857E
> >>>
> >>> Aug 29, 2022, 1:02:45 PM
> >>> I did not see any error in the IZUSVR1 address space or in the syslog.
> >>> my question, has anyone been successful submitting from z/osmf? is
> there somewhere I can check that needs configuring I may have missed?
> >>> thanks
> >>>
> >>> Carmen
> >>>
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z/OSMF - again, next issue

[Colin Paice]

I used to have to struggle with IBM installation manager - a package for
installing software on midrange machines.
I remember being in a hotel trying to download a fix - but Installation
Manager(IM) decided it needed to upgrade itself before doing anything.  It
took over 6 hours to download the new version of the Installation manager,
and another 2 hours to download the fix I needed!  ( I had to set my alarm
for 3 am, and 5 am to click "go"  on the install)

IBM's argument was you only need to learn one interface (IM) to install
software ( across Windows and Unix) - not realising I needed to know
Windows, Unix AND IBM's IM.

z/OSMF is inevitable - Question: where are the skills of today?  Answer:
Java.

Personally I would follow the ADCD approach and download a volume of
product libraries and its SMP/E  environment (and never use the SMP/E
environment)

Colin

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Re: IBM-MAIN Digest - 25 Aug 2022 to 26 Aug 2022 (#2022-235)

[Seymour J Metz]

I was thinking more of the influence that UoW had than of work done directly by 
staff or students.


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Seymour J Metz wrote:

>Influence for Waterloo?



Eh? If you mean UofW, no, there was never any 3270 emulator development there. 
I worked there 1980-86, and managed to leave at the
peak of the mainframe there-dumb luck. It was gone soon after.



SimWare (Sim3270) and UofW worked together, including a nifty Volker-Craig 
ASCII terminal with a 3270 keyboard that sent the Sim3270
key sequences. Not sure that got produced, alas, but I did play with it!






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Re: Calculate deltas using DFSORT

[Seymour J Metz]

REXX is certain ly easy, but if the OP has large volumes of data then 
performance may be an isswue.


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Bridges [robhbrid...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2022 8:46 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Calculate deltas using DFSORT

I usually keep my bigoted mouth shut in threads like this, but guys, why 
DFSORT?  That's great for the simple stuff, but REXX is so much easier and you 
don't have to sweat over more and more and yet more inventive solutions.

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better than tribute. The United States, while they wish for war with no nation, 
will buy peace with none.  -James Madison, upon the conclusion of a US war 
against Barbary piracy (in the person of the Dey of Algiers, Omar Pasha) in 
1815 */

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Massimo Biancucci
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2022 07:09

I first tried with WHEN=GROUP but with no success.

After that I hopefully succeeded with a JOIN.
The main idea is to extract keys from file and number those simply by 
sequential number.
So the STAMPA "view" at ST010 should show something like this:

SUGAR100   01
SUGAR9702
SUGAR9303
X2004
Y150   05
Y140   06

then try to JOIN every key with the relative (+1) of the original file.
So SUGAR-02 of the original file must match with SUGAR-01 of the keys 
subset.
This has been done with the JNF2CNTL ADD statement.

The final sample output is:

+1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+0+1+2
SUGAR,2022/08/01,100  01
  1  00
SUGAR,2022/08/02,97   02SUGAR100
02B  03
SUGAR,2022/08/03,93   03SUGAR97
 03B  04
X,2022/08/03,20   04SUGAR93
 04B  00
Y,2022/08/01,150  05X20
 05B  00
Y,2022/08/01,140  06Y150
06B  10

where first piece (1-56) is the original record, the second piece (57-80) is 
the trace of the JOIN process and last column (81:86) is the result you need.
Double check if the idea is effective.

//*---*
//* EXTRACT KEYS AND SEQNUM FROM ORIGINAL FILE*
//* FILE SHOULD BE ORDERED BY PRODUCT AND DATE.   *
//*---*
//ST010   EXEC PGM=SORT
//SYSOUT  DD SYSOUT=*
//SORTOUT DD DSN=,DISP=(,PASS),SPACE=(TRK,(1,1),RLSE)
//STAMPA  DD SYSOUT=*
//SORTIN  DD *
SUGAR,2022/08/01,100
SUGAR,2022/08/02,97
SUGAR,2022/08/03,93
X,2022/08/03,20
Y,2022/08/01,150
Y,2022/08/01,140
/*
//SYSIN  DD *
 SORT FIELDS=(1,5,A,7,10,A),FORMAT=BI
 OUTFIL FNAMES=SORTOUT,
  OUTREC=(1,5,18,10,SEQNUM,6,ZD)
 OUTFIL FNAMES=STAMPA,
  OUTREC=(1,5,18,10,SEQNUM,6,ZD)
/*
//*---*
//* JOIN WITH ORIGINAL FILE ON SEQNUM + 1 *
//*---*
//ST020   EXEC PGM=SORT
//SYSOUT  DD SYSOUT=*
//SORTOUT DD SYSOUT=*
//F1  DD *
SUGAR,2022/08/01,100
SUGAR,2022/08/02,97
SUGAR,2022/08/03,93
X,2022/08/03,20
Y,2022/08/01,150
Y,2022/08/01,140
/*
//JNF1CNTL DD *
 INREC FIELDS=(1,50,SEQNUM,6,ZD)
/*
//F2  DD DSN=,DISP=(OLD,DELETE)
//JNF2CNTL DD *
 INREC FIELDS=(1,15,16,6,ZD,ADD,+1,TO=ZD,LENGTH=6)
/*
//SYSIN  DD *
 JOINKEYS F1=F1,FIELDS=(51,6,A)
 JOINKEYS F2=F2,FIELDS=(16,6,A)
 JOIN UNPAIRED,F1
 REFORMAT FIELDS=(F1:1,56,F2:1,21,?)
 SORT FIELDS=COPY
 OUTFIL FNAMES=SORTOUT,REMOVECC,
  IFTHEN=(WHEN=(1,5,CH,EQ,56,5,CH),
   OVERLAY=(81:61,10,UFF,SUB,18,10,UFF,EDIT=(TT))),
  IFTHEN=(WHEN=NONE,
   OVERLAY=(81:C'00'))

--- Il giorno mar 30 ago 2022 alle ore 09:32 Mario Bezzi < 
subscriptions.mario.be...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> say I have a file with goods, dates, and available quantities, not
> necessarily sorted. I want to sort it and calculate daily deltas.
>
> For example using the following input :
>
> Product,Date,Availability
> Sugar,2022/08/01,100
> Sugar,2022/08/02,97
> Sugar,2022/08/03,93
>
> I need to get to this:
>
> Product,Date,Sold
> Sugar,2022/08/01,N/A  (No daily delta for the first record)
> Sugar,2022/08/02,3(100 - 97)
> Sugar,2022/08/03,4(97 - 93)
>
> May I use bultin DFSORT functions to calculate deltas from the
> previous record and the current one?
>
> I had a look at the OUTREC statement in the Application Programming
> Manual, but as far as I can see 

Re: z/OSMF - again, next issue

[Carmen Vitullo]

from what I was told by my teammate, Zsecure version 2.5 requires 
z/osmf, I could be wrong, she could be mistaken, but the issues she's 
having I think would affect Serverpac, or whatever it's called now, 
build JCL and submit JCL.


my case I opened was initially on the errors we were seeing on the 
submit errors, that was not addressed, just the easy stuff, now I have 
to recreate the issue again and make sure I have the correct error 
message for support. typical of z/osmf support; my first case I opened 
for z/osmf issues was open and not resolved for 364 days, so, so far I'm 
ahead of the game I support


Carmen

On 8/30/2022 7:54 AM, Keith Gooding wrote:

Just curious - I thought that only Serverpac required the use of z/OSMF and 
CBPDOs are installed using traditional methods. Are there now products which 
have to be installed using z/OSMF ? Is it now possible to install a CNPDO using 
z/OSMF.

For the record my experience of z/OSMF for Serverpac installation has been 
positive - I would not want to go back to the ISPF dialogue method.

Keith Gooding


On 30 Aug 2022, at 13:37, Carmen Vitullo  wrote:

I don't recall ever having to work or needing to use a product to install or 
maintain a product that required another product as finicky as z/osmf

at my 2.4 level downloading a product to support that level, the json file 
version was not compatible WTH,

opening a case with IBM apparently there's an APAR PTF, sorry this is just 
insane using a product built on Java to support a Mainframe product and have 
this much incompatibility :(

sad, very sad

MHO

Carmen


On 8/29/2022 8:34 PM, Robert Garrett wrote:
zOSMF.  A reasonably good idea that has been extremely poorly and sloppily 
implemented.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 1:13 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: z/OSMF - again, next issue

I'm working with a teammate that is required to use z/osmf to download an new 
zsecure release, we successfully added the portable software instance and 
provide the https server and client parms, updated the JOBCARD, the next parts 
we hunt and peck and guess what to do next, we found quite by accident we had 
to 'complete add' to get to the part to submit the job to download the product 
from IBM, selecting action/submit the job we get this error

The request could not be completed because an error occurred. Error:

IZUD999E

Aug 29, 2022, 1:02:08 PM

An error occurred when attempting to contact the application server. The server 
returned HTTP status code: 500.

IZUG857E

the IZU messages are no help, we checked the configuration for the system(s) 
and found nothing configured wrong we saw, the PDS where the JCL was stored we 
submitted via TSO /ISPF successfully, next we went on and selected NEXT to move 
to the next job/process then we got this error An error occurred when 
attempting to contact the application server. The server returned HTTP status 
code: 500.

IZUG857E

Aug 29, 2022, 1:02:45 PM
I did not see any error in the IZUSVR1 address space or in the syslog.
my question, has anyone been successful submitting from z/osmf? is there 
somewhere I can check that needs configuring I may have missed?
thanks

Carmen

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Re: z/OSMF - again, next issue

[Keith Gooding]

Just curious - I thought that only Serverpac required the use of z/OSMF and 
CBPDOs are installed using traditional methods. Are there now products which 
have to be installed using z/OSMF ? Is it now possible to install a CNPDO using 
z/OSMF.

For the record my experience of z/OSMF for Serverpac installation has been 
positive - I would not want to go back to the ISPF dialogue method.

Keith Gooding

> On 30 Aug 2022, at 13:37, Carmen Vitullo  wrote:
> 
> I don't recall ever having to work or needing to use a product to install or 
> maintain a product that required another product as finicky as z/osmf
> 
> at my 2.4 level downloading a product to support that level, the json file 
> version was not compatible WTH,
> 
> opening a case with IBM apparently there's an APAR PTF, sorry this is just 
> insane using a product built on Java to support a Mainframe product and have 
> this much incompatibility :(
> 
> sad, very sad
> 
> MHO
> 
> Carmen
> 
>> On 8/29/2022 8:34 PM, Robert Garrett wrote:
>> zOSMF.  A reasonably good idea that has been extremely poorly and sloppily 
>> implemented.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
>> Carmen Vitullo
>> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 1:13 PM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: z/OSMF - again, next issue
>> 
>> I'm working with a teammate that is required to use z/osmf to download an 
>> new zsecure release, we successfully added the portable software instance 
>> and provide the https server and client parms, updated the JOBCARD, the next 
>> parts we hunt and peck and guess what to do next, we found quite by accident 
>> we had to 'complete add' to get to the part to submit the job to download 
>> the product from IBM, selecting action/submit the job we get this error
>> 
>> The request could not be completed because an error occurred. Error:
>> 
>> IZUD999E
>> 
>> Aug 29, 2022, 1:02:08 PM
>> 
>> An error occurred when attempting to contact the application server. The 
>> server returned HTTP status code: 500.
>> 
>> IZUG857E
>> 
>> the IZU messages are no help, we checked the configuration for the system(s) 
>> and found nothing configured wrong we saw, the PDS where the JCL was stored 
>> we submitted via TSO /ISPF successfully, next we went on and selected NEXT 
>> to move to the next job/process then we got this error An error occurred 
>> when attempting to contact the application server. The server returned HTTP 
>> status code: 500.
>> 
>> IZUG857E
>> 
>> Aug 29, 2022, 1:02:45 PM
>> I did not see any error in the IZUSVR1 address space or in the syslog.
>> my question, has anyone been successful submitting from z/osmf? is there 
>> somewhere I can check that needs configuring I may have missed?
>> thanks
>> 
>> Carmen
>> 
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Re: Calculate deltas using DFSORT

[Bob Bridges]

I usually keep my bigoted mouth shut in threads like this, but guys, why 
DFSORT?  That's great for the simple stuff, but REXX is so much easier and you 
don't have to sweat over more and more and yet more inventive solutions.

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/* It is a settled policy of America, that as peace is better than war, war is 
better than tribute. The United States, while they wish for war with no nation, 
will buy peace with none.  -James Madison, upon the conclusion of a US war 
against Barbary piracy (in the person of the Dey of Algiers, Omar Pasha) in 
1815 */

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Massimo Biancucci
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2022 07:09

I first tried with WHEN=GROUP but with no success.

After that I hopefully succeeded with a JOIN.
The main idea is to extract keys from file and number those simply by 
sequential number.
So the STAMPA "view" at ST010 should show something like this:

SUGAR100   01
SUGAR9702
SUGAR9303
X2004
Y150   05
Y140   06

then try to JOIN every key with the relative (+1) of the original file.
So SUGAR-02 of the original file must match with SUGAR-01 of the keys 
subset.
This has been done with the JNF2CNTL ADD statement.

The final sample output is:

+1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+0+1+2
SUGAR,2022/08/01,100  01
  1  00
SUGAR,2022/08/02,97   02SUGAR100
02B  03
SUGAR,2022/08/03,93   03SUGAR97
 03B  04
X,2022/08/03,20   04SUGAR93
 04B  00
Y,2022/08/01,150  05X20
 05B  00
Y,2022/08/01,140  06Y150
06B  10

where first piece (1-56) is the original record, the second piece (57-80) is 
the trace of the JOIN process and last column (81:86) is the result you need.
Double check if the idea is effective.

//*---*
//* EXTRACT KEYS AND SEQNUM FROM ORIGINAL FILE*
//* FILE SHOULD BE ORDERED BY PRODUCT AND DATE.   *
//*---*
//ST010   EXEC PGM=SORT
//SYSOUT  DD SYSOUT=*
//SORTOUT DD DSN=,DISP=(,PASS),SPACE=(TRK,(1,1),RLSE)
//STAMPA  DD SYSOUT=*
//SORTIN  DD *
SUGAR,2022/08/01,100
SUGAR,2022/08/02,97
SUGAR,2022/08/03,93
X,2022/08/03,20
Y,2022/08/01,150
Y,2022/08/01,140
/*
//SYSIN  DD *
 SORT FIELDS=(1,5,A,7,10,A),FORMAT=BI
 OUTFIL FNAMES=SORTOUT,
  OUTREC=(1,5,18,10,SEQNUM,6,ZD)
 OUTFIL FNAMES=STAMPA,
  OUTREC=(1,5,18,10,SEQNUM,6,ZD)
/*
//*---*
//* JOIN WITH ORIGINAL FILE ON SEQNUM + 1 *
//*---*
//ST020   EXEC PGM=SORT
//SYSOUT  DD SYSOUT=*
//SORTOUT DD SYSOUT=*
//F1  DD *
SUGAR,2022/08/01,100
SUGAR,2022/08/02,97
SUGAR,2022/08/03,93
X,2022/08/03,20
Y,2022/08/01,150
Y,2022/08/01,140
/*
//JNF1CNTL DD *
 INREC FIELDS=(1,50,SEQNUM,6,ZD)
/*
//F2  DD DSN=,DISP=(OLD,DELETE)
//JNF2CNTL DD *
 INREC FIELDS=(1,15,16,6,ZD,ADD,+1,TO=ZD,LENGTH=6)
/*
//SYSIN  DD *
 JOINKEYS F1=F1,FIELDS=(51,6,A)
 JOINKEYS F2=F2,FIELDS=(16,6,A)
 JOIN UNPAIRED,F1
 REFORMAT FIELDS=(F1:1,56,F2:1,21,?)
 SORT FIELDS=COPY
 OUTFIL FNAMES=SORTOUT,REMOVECC,
  IFTHEN=(WHEN=(1,5,CH,EQ,56,5,CH),
   OVERLAY=(81:61,10,UFF,SUB,18,10,UFF,EDIT=(TT))),
  IFTHEN=(WHEN=NONE,
   OVERLAY=(81:C'00'))

--- Il giorno mar 30 ago 2022 alle ore 09:32 Mario Bezzi < 
subscriptions.mario.be...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> say I have a file with goods, dates, and available quantities, not 
> necessarily sorted. I want to sort it and calculate daily deltas.
>
> For example using the following input :
>
> Product,Date,Availability
> Sugar,2022/08/01,100
> Sugar,2022/08/02,97
> Sugar,2022/08/03,93
>
> I need to get to this:
>
> Product,Date,Sold
> Sugar,2022/08/01,N/A  (No daily delta for the first record)
> Sugar,2022/08/02,3(100 - 97)
> Sugar,2022/08/03,4(97 - 93)
>
> May I use bultin DFSORT functions to calculate deltas from the 
> previous record and the current one?
>
> I had a look at the OUTREC statement in the Application Programming 
> Manual, but as far as I can see arithmetic expressions can only use 
> input fields from the current record or decimal constants.
>
> It believe I can achieve the above result using an E35 exit, just 
> wanted to be sure that's the only way.

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Re: z/OSMF - again, next issue

[Carmen Vitullo]

I don't recall ever having to work or needing to use a product to 
install or maintain a product that required another product as finicky 
as z/osmf


at my 2.4 level downloading a product to support that level, the json 
file version was not compatible WTH,


opening a case with IBM apparently there's an APAR PTF, sorry this is 
just insane using a product built on Java to support a Mainframe product 
and have this much incompatibility :(


sad, very sad

MHO

Carmen

On 8/29/2022 8:34 PM, Robert Garrett wrote:

zOSMF.  A reasonably good idea that has been extremely poorly and sloppily 
implemented.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 1:13 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: z/OSMF - again, next issue

I'm working with a teammate that is required to use z/osmf to download an new 
zsecure release, we successfully added the portable software instance and 
provide the https server and client parms, updated the JOBCARD, the next parts 
we hunt and peck and guess what to do next, we found quite by accident we had 
to 'complete add' to get to the part to submit the job to download the product 
from IBM, selecting action/submit the job we get this error

The request could not be completed because an error occurred. Error:

IZUD999E

Aug 29, 2022, 1:02:08 PM

An error occurred when attempting to contact the application server. The server 
returned HTTP status code: 500.

IZUG857E

the IZU messages are no help, we checked the configuration for the system(s) 
and found nothing configured wrong we saw, the PDS where the JCL was stored we 
submitted via TSO /ISPF successfully, next we went on and selected NEXT to move 
to the next job/process then we got this error An error occurred when 
attempting to contact the application server. The server returned HTTP status 
code: 500.

IZUG857E

Aug 29, 2022, 1:02:45 PM
I did not see any error in the IZUSVR1 address space or in the syslog.
my question, has anyone been successful submitting from z/osmf? is there 
somewhere I can check that needs configuring I may have missed?
thanks

Carmen

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Re: Calculate deltas using DFSORT

[Massimo Biancucci]

Mario,

I first tried with WHEN=GROUP but with no success.

After that I hopefully succeeded with a JOIN.
The main idea is to extract keys from file and number those simply by
sequential number.
So the STAMPA "view" at ST010 should show something like this:

SUGAR100   01
SUGAR9702
SUGAR9303
X2004
Y150   05
Y140   06

then try to JOIN every key with the relative (+1) of the original file.
So SUGAR-02 of the original file must match with SUGAR-01 of the
keys subset.
This has been done with the JNF2CNTL ADD statement.

The final sample output is:

+1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+0+1+2
SUGAR,2022/08/01,100  01
  1  00
SUGAR,2022/08/02,97   02SUGAR100
02B  03
SUGAR,2022/08/03,93   03SUGAR97
 03B  04
X,2022/08/03,20   04SUGAR93
 04B  00
Y,2022/08/01,150  05X20
 05B  00
Y,2022/08/01,140  06Y150
06B  10

where first piece (1-56) is the original record, the second piece (57-80)
is the trace of the JOIN process and last column (81:86) is the result you
need.
Double check if the idea is effective.

//*---*
//* EXTRACT KEYS AND SEQNUM FROM ORIGINAL FILE*
//* FILE SHOULD BE ORDERED BY PRODUCT AND DATE.   *
//*---*
//ST010   EXEC PGM=SORT
//SYSOUT  DD SYSOUT=*
//SORTOUT DD DSN=,DISP=(,PASS),SPACE=(TRK,(1,1),RLSE)
//STAMPA  DD SYSOUT=*
//SORTIN  DD *
SUGAR,2022/08/01,100
SUGAR,2022/08/02,97
SUGAR,2022/08/03,93
X,2022/08/03,20
Y,2022/08/01,150
Y,2022/08/01,140
/*
//SYSIN  DD *
 SORT FIELDS=(1,5,A,7,10,A),FORMAT=BI
 OUTFIL FNAMES=SORTOUT,
  OUTREC=(1,5,18,10,SEQNUM,6,ZD)
 OUTFIL FNAMES=STAMPA,
  OUTREC=(1,5,18,10,SEQNUM,6,ZD)
/*
//*---*
//* JOIN WITH ORIGINAL FILE ON SEQNUM + 1 *
//*---*
//ST020   EXEC PGM=SORT
//SYSOUT  DD SYSOUT=*
//SORTOUT DD SYSOUT=*
//F1  DD *
SUGAR,2022/08/01,100
SUGAR,2022/08/02,97
SUGAR,2022/08/03,93
X,2022/08/03,20
Y,2022/08/01,150
Y,2022/08/01,140
/*
//JNF1CNTL DD *
 INREC FIELDS=(1,50,SEQNUM,6,ZD)
/*
//F2  DD DSN=,DISP=(OLD,DELETE)
//JNF2CNTL DD *
 INREC FIELDS=(1,15,16,6,ZD,ADD,+1,TO=ZD,LENGTH=6)
/*
//SYSIN  DD *
 JOINKEYS F1=F1,FIELDS=(51,6,A)
 JOINKEYS F2=F2,FIELDS=(16,6,A)
 JOIN UNPAIRED,F1
 REFORMAT FIELDS=(F1:1,56,F2:1,21,?)
 SORT FIELDS=COPY
 OUTFIL FNAMES=SORTOUT,REMOVECC,
  IFTHEN=(WHEN=(1,5,CH,EQ,56,5,CH),
   OVERLAY=(81:61,10,UFF,SUB,18,10,UFF,EDIT=(TT))),
  IFTHEN=(WHEN=NONE,
   OVERLAY=(81:C'00'))
/*

Best regards.
Max

Il giorno mar 30 ago 2022 alle ore 09:32 Mario Bezzi <
subscriptions.mario.be...@gmail.com> ha scritto:

> Hello list,
>
> say I have a file with goods, dates, and available quantities, not
> necessarily sorted. I want to sort it and calculate daily deltas.
>
> For example using the following input :
>
> Product,Date,Availability
> Sugar,2022/08/01,100
> Sugar,2022/08/02,97
> Sugar,2022/08/03,93
>
> I need to get to this:
>
> Product,Date,Sold
> Sugar,2022/08/01,N/A  (No daily delta for the first record)
> Sugar,2022/08/02,3(100 - 97)
> Sugar,2022/08/03,4(97 - 93)
>
> May I use bultin DFSORT functions to calculate deltas from the previous
> record and the current one?
>
> I had a look at the OUTREC statement in the Application Programming
> Manual, but as far as I can see arithmetic expressions can only use input
> fields from the current record or decimal constants.
>
> It believe I can achieve the above result using an E35 exit, just wanted
> to be sure that's the only way.
>
> Thanks!
> mario
>
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Calculate deltas using DFSORT

[Mario Bezzi]

Hello list,

say I have a file with goods, dates, and available quantities, not necessarily 
sorted. I want to sort it and calculate daily deltas. 

For example using the following input :

Product,Date,Availability
Sugar,2022/08/01,100
Sugar,2022/08/02,97
Sugar,2022/08/03,93

I need to get to this:

Product,Date,Sold
Sugar,2022/08/01,N/A  (No daily delta for the first record)
Sugar,2022/08/02,3(100 - 97)
Sugar,2022/08/03,4(97 - 93)

May I use bultin DFSORT functions to calculate deltas from the previous record 
and the current one? 

I had a look at the OUTREC statement in the Application Programming Manual, but 
as far as I can see arithmetic expressions can only use input fields from the 
current record or decimal constants.

It believe I can achieve the above result using an E35 exit, just wanted to be 
sure that's the only way.

Thanks!
mario

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