Cleaning Fluid
David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone still know of a source that sells 3420 cleaning fluid and supplies? In the process of working through these old tapes from Princeton, I'm burning through the small supply I have of the stuff rapidly (2 pints so far), and still have a few thousand tapes to go.=20 The popular cleaning fluids are mixtures of isopropanol and 1,1,2 Dichloro 1,2,2, Difluoro ethane, I believe called Freon TF. I have no idea if that is what yours is, though. Ordinary rubbing alcohol is 70% isopropanol, but many stores (grocery stores or drug stores) also have 99% isopropanol. If you have a near by chemistry lab you can get reagent grade, which is probably 99.99% or so. (Not counting the water that will get in as soon as you open the bottle.) The amount of oxide flaking and just general destruction these tapes have is amazing - gunk everywhere. Hats off to the data recovery folks - I'd really hate to have to do this all the time. Freeze drying, careful rereading, multiple retries... sheesh. Phase of the moon for some of these volumes.=20 Are you warming the heads? I have heard over the years that it the favorite way to reduce flaking. The first time I heard that one was an article in Popular Science about a video tape recorder that used 0.25in tape linear recording at 120in/s. (Many years before Beta, or even U-matic.) Warming the heads was necessary to prevent scraping the oxide off even of new tapes at that speed. There is also supposed to be a last chance system that uses a fluid, such as cleaning fluid, on the head while reading the tape. As I understand it, it only works once. After that, the tape is ruined. I have never tried, or even seen this done, though. -- glen
Menuexec - Where search for?
I use VM/ESA. 1. On http://www.vm.ibm.com/download/packages/ in several projects is caused MENUEXEC EXEC. Where possible find and download given command? 2. Also in some project there is откомпилирован ные modules on REXX, with length record 1024. Message is given when execution of such module: DMSEXI240E Alternate exec processor EAGRTPRC not found Where possible find free EAGRTPRC, to module REXX worked. Alexandr.
Re: Menuexec - Where search for?
On Friday, 07/21/2006 at 04:23 EST, al_gl2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: откомпилированные Hi. The English translation is compiled. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: Menuexec - Where search for?
Security snob, network geek and he reads Cyrillic. Or... he's real good with an online translator. :) Alan Altmark wrote: On Friday, 07/21/2006 at 04:23 EST, al_gl2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: откомпилированные Hi. The English translation is compiled. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: 414-491-6001 Ans Service: 360-715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2007 - Green Bay, WI - May 18-22, 2007
Re: Cleaning Fluid
Ordinary rubbing alcohol is 70% isopropanol, but many stores (grocery stores or drug stores) also have 99% isopropanol. If you have a near by chemistry lab you can get reagent grade, which is probably 99.99% or so. (Not counting the water that will get in as soon as you open the bottle.) I was able to locate a source for quart jugs of reel-to-reel cleaning fluid, which contains the flouroethyline additive (in addition to the alcohol). Apparently, radio and TV stations still buy the stuff in quantity w/o permits, and still use it for the pro-grade equipment. Are you warming the heads? I have heard over the years that it the favorite way to reduce flaking. The first time I heard that one was an article in Popular Science about a video tape recorder that used 0.25in tape linear recording at 120in/s. (Many years before Beta, or even U-matic.) Warming the heads was necessary to prevent scraping the oxide off even of new tapes at that speed. Several people have suggested this. The problem at this point is that the tapes are already so damaged that most of the techniques just can't help -- we're beyond that point. The oxide is already literally falling off the backing. Nota bene: Inquiring about purchasing industrial chemicals in the Washington DC area gets various people *really* paranoid. Counting police cars in the area has shown a marked increase, and I'm not convinced it's due to increased crime. I suppose it's one way to get better police coverage. 8-( - db
Re: New DASD questions cross post
Unless anything has changed, the EMC live copy will trash your Linux disks if the instances are up and running. Then you will end up falling back to your DDR restores anyway. Best bet would be to shut down your system(s) while the disks are migrating, unless business requirements dictate otherwise. Ray Mrohs U.S. Department of Justice 202-307-6896 -Original Message- From: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 9:33 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: New DASD questions cross post Importance: Low Hello, Yes, intend to have the DDR BACKUPs from the weekend, and two standalone utility tapes available. Thanks for the CPVOL LIST UNIT(addr) NOVERIFY. I forgot about that. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ext. 40441 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:11 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: New DASD questions cross post How about IPLing Stand-Alone ICKDSF from a tape. You could issue a CPVOL LIST UNIT(addr) NOVERIFY command. That would list your IPLable volume and display the Volume Serial and Allocation Map. And if it is not in CP format, it will also tell you.. Edward M. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 07/19/2006 05:01 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject New DASD questions cross post Hello Everyone, We are getting ready to migrate to a new EMC DMX-1000 from a EMC Symmetrix 8350. Our current addresses are 740-7B6. We are generated for 740-7BF 128 devices, Devices 7B7-7BF are offline. The new addresses are 700-7CA. I am going to gen for 256 devices. The EMC will copy file disk as we run, after the copy is done we will shut down, re-cable, Power_On_Reset with a new IOCDS (A1). We will see all the drives. We ipl z/VM from 792 at the moment, and will have to change to 752 on the new system. 740 old is equal to 700 on new. Now that is way is suppose to work. Suppose 752 does not IPL, what tools do we have to ensure that 752 is in fact 430RES? I have a Standalone system for VSE/ESA that would give me DITTO. I could verify the name of the volume. I have DDR tapes of the system. I could restore and ipl from a different volume. Any other ideas that are easier and confirm IPLable z/VM volumes? IDEAS WELCOME! Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ext. 40441
Re: Menuexec - Where search for?
1. On http://www.vm.ibm.com/download/packages/ in several projects is caused MENUEXEC EXEC. Where possible find and download given command? The instructions for downloading the packages are on the download page (http://www.vm.ibm.com/download/) -- located toward the bottom of the page. You need to download and transfer the VMARC file to your system, reformat it using the PIPE command shown there, and then VMARC UNPK the file. 2. Also in some project there is откомпилирован ные modules on REXX, with length record 1024. Message is given when execution of such module: DMSEXI240E Alternate exec processor EAGRTPRC not found Where possible find free EAGRTPRC, to module REXX worked. These are compiled REXX. You don't say which version of VM/ESA you are using, but 2.3 and 2.4 had a runtime version of the Rexx compiler library included. If your release doesn't have this library, we can't really send it to you -- it's licensed IBM code. If you have the REXX compiler package, that will supply the files you need to make it work. Good luck, -- b
Re: HCPCLS174E using VSE SA util tape
Hello Alan, Thanks for the pointers. No messages on the operator console. The VM SA TAPE with ICKDSF and DDR ipl without problems. This is the Q ALLOC q alloc page EXTENT EXTENT TOTAL PAGES HIGH% VOLID RDEV STARTEND PAGES IN USE PAGE USED -- -- -- -- -- -- 430RES 0792257390 24120767829 3% 430W03 075C 1802 1901 18000240250 1% -- -- SUMMARY42120 1007 2% USABLE 42120 1007 2% Ready; T=0.01/0.01 10:37:16 I always put a user of $page$ in my directory with the page/direct/spool/tdisk/etc in them to help check for overlays. DISKMAP does not show overlaps but I will check more. I am sure that the complete volumes were CP FORMAT way back when we setup the system. I have asked the other system guy about the last test of the VSE SA tape. NOT SURE when it worked last. I am thinking that they tested it before jumping to the z890 but I need to verify. Finally, (you will like this) I am getting errors on the VSE/ESA side from the EMC dasd. EMC has indicated these are erroneous errors coming from a smoke detector sensor in the box that have never worked on this model of EMC. We are migrating to new DASD. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ext. 40441 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 5:26 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: HCPCLS174E using VSE SA util tape On Thursday, 07/20/2006 at 03:06 AST, Edward M. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have a z890. z/VM 4.3 and VSE/ESA 2.6.1 We attempting to IPL from the VSE SA utility tape (under z/VM) I get HCP174E Paging I/O error; IPL failed Can anyone shield some light on this problem? The z/VM SA DSF/DDR tape works fine. Ed, when you issue the IPL command, CP places the IPL simulator into your virtual machine. Well, before he does that he has to save the original memory contents of the affected pages so they can be restored after the IPL command has done its job. My guess is that your paging volumes have not been entirely CP formatted, yet are allocated as PAGE. Or, if you're sharing the volume with minidisks, you have an overlap or have not CP formatted the entire minidisk. Or the volume is going bad (unlikely). In any case, CP's I/Os are failing. There are probably error messages on the OPERATOR's console. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: HCPCLS174E using VSE SA util tape
On Friday, 07/21/2006 at 10:33 AST, Edward M. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really thing it is something on the VSE/ESA system and creating the sa tape. Ed, that's a CP message, not VSE, and it doesn't have anything to do with the content of the tape. CP is basically saying he can't run the IPL command. I suggest that you get another paging volume, CPFMTXA it and allocate it for paging, attach it to the system, *detach* all other paging volumes (DETACH ... FROM SYSTEM) and reformat them. Then you can reverse that sequence and get things back where they belong, or just reipl. If you *still* have problems, then the game's afoot and you should contact the support center (z/VM 4.4 and later only). Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: Menuexec - Where search for?
On 21 Jul 2006 at 8:47, Dave Jones wrote: Ah, the typical IBM development response.it's accurate and concise, but it doesn't answer the original question;-) (A little Friday humor.) DJ Alan Altmark wrote: On Friday, 07/21/2006 at 04:23 EST, al_gl2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. The English translation is compiled. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott Does that mean that all of you out there in English-only-PC-land could also see the Cyrillic (Russian) characters? I was wondering if people actually saw otkompilirovannie or just gibberish. Shimon
Re: HCPCLS174E using VSE SA util tape
Hello Alan, Unfortunately the paging volumes are on the 430RES and 430W03 used by lots. I understand that this is a CP message, but wouldn't the Standalone program driving the system be doing the page request? And if it is asking the wrong page requirement request(s) would that not cause the HCP message? And wouldn't the ICKDSF standalone get the same messages? Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ext. 40441 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 11:00 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: HCPCLS174E using VSE SA util tape On Friday, 07/21/2006 at 10:33 AST, Edward M. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really thing it is something on the VSE/ESA system and creating the sa tape. Ed, that's a CP message, not VSE, and it doesn't have anything to do with the content of the tape. CP is basically saying he can't run the IPL command. I suggest that you get another paging volume, CPFMTXA it and allocate it for paging, attach it to the system, *detach* all other paging volumes (DETACH ... FROM SYSTEM) and reformat them. Then you can reverse that sequence and get things back where they belong, or just reipl. If you *still* have problems, then the game's afoot and you should contact the support center (z/VM 4.4 and later only). Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: Menuexec - Where search for?
1. MENUSYS and MENULIST (on the VM download web site) does not contain MENUEXEC. In what project can be MTNUEXEC? I download else several other projects with the other site. In these project is caused MENUEXEC, but module there no. 2. I download alternate Rexx library for VM from http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?rs=960uid=swg24006250 After installing alternate Rexx library for VM when calling the modules REXX i get the messages: EAGALT0300E Error 3 running compiled USERS EXEC, line 0: Program is unreadable EAGALT0304I The program cannot run using the Alternate Library These messages give the module miscellaneous on REXX (lrecl 1024) from other project. I use VM/ESA 2.4 Possible I have wrong installed. Must work alternate Rexx library for VM for VM/ESA or only for Z/VM? Alexandr.
Re: VSWITCH problem regarding connection between different VSWITCH guests
I ran into this problem on zVM 5.2. There is a fix for this problem and it is on the 0601 put tape for 5.2. It could be the same issue on 4.4. Contact the support center. Aria. On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 16:58:39 +0200 Wolfgang Engel said: Hi, I setup several Linux guests using a VSWITCH in z/VM 4.4. But unfortunately the Linux guests which are using the same VSWITCH are not able to talk to each other via network. Network connections to other hosts on the nework where the OSA card (from VSWITCH) is connected are just fine. Can anyone give me a hint ? -- With kind regards/Mit freundlichen Gruessen, your/Ihr SuSE S/390 Team Wolfgang Engel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- SUSE LINUX AG Tel: +49-911-74053-668 Maxfeldstr. 5Fax: +49-911-7417755 90409 Nuernberg, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Germany WWW: http://S390.suse.com ---
Re: HCPCLS174E using VSE SA util tape
Hello Alan, I have been starting to see other messages that are leading me to actually believe that I have a bad disk. Suddenly I can not logon MAINT without getting that message. (IPL 190). IPL CMS works ok. Ready; T=0.01/0.02 11:30:43 q alloc page EXTENT EXTENT TOTAL PAGES HIGH% VOLID RDEV STARTEND PAGES IN USE PAGE USED -- -- -- -- -- -- 430RES 0792257390 24120767829 3% 430W03 075C 1802 1901 18000240250 1% -- -- SUMMARY42120 1007 2% USABLE 42120 1007 2% . Could I 1) I can get a volume with only paging on it 2) tell System Config that the new volume is first, re-ipl, 3) do a q alloc page to ensure that the 430RES/430W03 page areas are not being used. 4) either change the allocation to remove the page areas from 430RES/430W03, or cpformat just those areas. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ext. 40441 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 11:00 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: HCPCLS174E using VSE SA util tape On Friday, 07/21/2006 at 10:33 AST, Edward M. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really thing it is something on the VSE/ESA system and creating the sa tape. Ed, that's a CP message, not VSE, and it doesn't have anything to do with the content of the tape. CP is basically saying he can't run the IPL command. I suggest that you get another paging volume, CPFMTXA it and allocate it for paging, attach it to the system, *detach* all other paging volumes (DETACH ... FROM SYSTEM) and reformat them. Then you can reverse that sequence and get things back where they belong, or just reipl. If you *still* have problems, then the game's afoot and you should contact the support center (z/VM 4.4 and later only). Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: More Ancient History: source for 3420 cleaning fluid?
David Boyes wrote: If these are the ones that are five or six inches long with a swab on one end, Radio Shack used to carry them. No longer (at least not in DC). They claim they discontinued them when they stopped selling reel-to-reel tape. YMMV. -- db Might be worth a call to Precision Motor Works in Hudson, Ma. (978-562-4420)
VSWITCH problem regarding connection between different VSWITCH guests
Hi, I setup several Linux guests using a VSWITCH in z/VM 4.4. But unfortunately the Linux guests which are using the same VSWITCH are not able to talk to each other via network. Network connections to other hosts on the nework where the OSA card (from VSWITCH) is connected are just fine. Can anyone give me a hint ? -- With kind regards/Mit freundlichen Gruessen, your/Ihr SuSE S/390 Team Wolfgang Engel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- SUSE LINUX AG Tel: +49-911-74053-668 Maxfeldstr. 5 Fax: +49-911-7417755 90409 Nuernberg, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Germany WWW: http://S390.suse.com ---
Re: HCPCLS174E using VSE SA util tape
Ed, All pages on your paging volume go away when you IPL anyway. The easiest method might be: 1- Dedicate a whole new DASD to paging (paging and spool involve seldom-ending channel programs for good performance, interrupting those channel programs for other activity on the disk reduces system performance). For example, let's use as the new volser: VMPG01 on rdev 200 2- Attach rdev 200 to your ID at 200 3- Running CPFMTXA: LABEL 200 as VMPG01, FORMAT that 200 from cylinder zero to the end, and ALLOCATE it for only paging (I still prefer to allocate PAGE 0 as PERM, and 1-END as PAGE). E.g. PERM 0 0 PAGE 1 END 3- Update your SYSTEM CONFIG to add the new DASD (maybe VMPG01 ?) as CP_Owned. 4- Now that you have a new page volume ready, you can get CP ready to not use the old page space at the next IPL. CP reads the allocation bit map only when the volume comes online, so you can change it ahead of time. - Link R/W to your 430RES and 430W03 DASD (you can define full-pack MDISKs to let you do that), - run CPFMTXA to ALLOCATE the paging cylinders on both as PERM space (do NOT format them!) Only change the PAGE allocation to PERM. E.g. 430RES as PERM 257 390 430W03 as PERM 1802 1901 5- Schedule a SHUTDOWN REIPL After the IPL you *may* want to CPFMTXA the old page cylinders on 430RES and 430W01 just to see if that causes I/O errors. If so, you know who to contact. :-) Mike Walter Hewitt Associates Edward M. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 07/21/2006 10:38 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: HCPCLS174E using VSE SA util tape Hello Alan, I have been starting to see other messages that are leading me to actually believe that I have a bad disk. Suddenly I can not logon MAINT without getting that message. (IPL 190). IPL CMS works ok. Ready; T=0.01/0.02 11:30:43 q alloc page EXTENT EXTENT TOTAL PAGES HIGH% VOLID RDEV STARTEND PAGES IN USE PAGE USED -- -- -- -- -- -- 430RES 0792257390 24120767829 3% 430W03 075C 1802 1901 18000240250 1% -- -- SUMMARY42120 1007 2% USABLE 42120 1007 2% . Could I 1) I can get a volume with only paging on it 2) tell System Config that the new volume is first, re-ipl, 3) do a q alloc page to ensure that the 430RES/430W03 page areas are not being used. 4) either change the allocation to remove the page areas from 430RES/430W03, or cpformat just those areas. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ext. 40441 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 11:00 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: HCPCLS174E using VSE SA util tape On Friday, 07/21/2006 at 10:33 AST, Edward M. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really thing it is something on the VSE/ESA system and creating the sa tape. Ed, that's a CP message, not VSE, and it doesn't have anything to do with the content of the tape. CP is basically saying he can't run the IPL command. I suggest that you get another paging volume, CPFMTXA it and allocate it for paging, attach it to the system, *detach* all other paging volumes (DETACH ... FROM SYSTEM) and reformat them. Then you can reverse that sequence and get things back where they belong, or just reipl. If you *still* have problems, then the game's afoot and you should contact the support center (z/VM 4.4 and later only). Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited.
Re: HCPCLS174E using VSE SA util tape
Hello Mike, Alan, and others, Thanks, I was hazy on step 4. The paging area will be used until the next z/VM IPL. Good. Now to find that new paging area. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ext. 40441 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Walter Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 12:27 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: HCPCLS174E using VSE SA util tape Ed, All pages on your paging volume go away when you IPL anyway. The easiest method might be: 1- Dedicate a whole new DASD to paging (paging and spool involve seldom-ending channel programs for good performance, interrupting those channel programs for other activity on the disk reduces system performance). For example, let's use as the new volser: VMPG01 on rdev 200 2- Attach rdev 200 to your ID at 200 3- Running CPFMTXA: LABEL 200 as VMPG01, FORMAT that 200 from cylinder zero to the end, and ALLOCATE it for only paging (I still prefer to allocate PAGE 0 as PERM, and 1-END as PAGE). E.g. PERM 0 0 PAGE 1 END 3- Update your SYSTEM CONFIG to add the new DASD (maybe VMPG01 ?) as CP_Owned. 4- Now that you have a new page volume ready, you can get CP ready to not use the old page space at the next IPL. CP reads the allocation bit map only when the volume comes online, so you can change it ahead of time. - Link R/W to your 430RES and 430W03 DASD (you can define full-pack MDISKs to let you do that), - run CPFMTXA to ALLOCATE the paging cylinders on both as PERM space (do NOT format them!) Only change the PAGE allocation to PERM. E.g. 430RES as PERM 257 390 430W03 as PERM 1802 1901 5- Schedule a SHUTDOWN REIPL After the IPL you *may* want to CPFMTXA the old page cylinders on 430RES and 430W01 just to see if that causes I/O errors. If so, you know who to contact. :-) Mike Walter Hewitt Associates Edward M. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 07/21/2006 10:38 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: HCPCLS174E using VSE SA util tape Hello Alan, I have been starting to see other messages that are leading me to actually believe that I have a bad disk. Suddenly I can not logon MAINT without getting that message. (IPL 190). IPL CMS works ok. Ready; T=0.01/0.02 11:30:43 q alloc page EXTENT EXTENT TOTAL PAGES HIGH% VOLID RDEV STARTEND PAGES IN USE PAGE USED -- -- -- -- -- -- 430RES 0792257390 24120767829 3% 430W03 075C 1802 1901 18000240250 1% -- -- SUMMARY42120 1007 2% USABLE 42120 1007 2% . Could I 1) I can get a volume with only paging on it 2) tell System Config that the new volume is first, re-ipl, 3) do a q alloc page to ensure that the 430RES/430W03 page areas are not being used. 4) either change the allocation to remove the page areas from 430RES/430W03, or cpformat just those areas. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ext. 40441 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 11:00 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: HCPCLS174E using VSE SA util tape On Friday, 07/21/2006 at 10:33 AST, Edward M. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really thing it is something on the VSE/ESA system and creating the sa tape. Ed, that's a CP message, not VSE, and it doesn't have anything to do with the content of the tape. CP is basically saying he can't run the IPL command. I suggest that you get another paging volume, CPFMTXA it and allocate it for paging, attach it to the system, *detach* all other paging volumes (DETACH ... FROM SYSTEM) and reformat them. Then you can reverse that sequence and get things back where they belong, or just reipl. If you *still* have problems, then the game's afoot and you should contact the support center (z/VM 4.4 and later only). Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other
Re: HCPCLS174E using VSE SA util tape
Ed--All of the suggestions/solutions so far, I think, have you running CPFMTXA which depends on VM being up and running. You said that you sere seeing another problem now in addition to what you originally had seen. I think that it would be very prudent to have a stand alone ICKDSF tape handy as well as an ALLOC MAP and an ICKDSF ref card or manual just in case things really go to pot and you can't run VM. Under the cover, CPFTMXA calls ICKDSF CPVOL. Just use it and reformat your PAGE areas. An SPXTAPE DUMP of your spool to include, at least, your DCSS's and NSS's might be a good idea also. Jim At 12:43 PM 7/21/2006, you wrote: Hello Mike, Alan, and others, Thanks, I was hazy on step 4. The paging area will be used until the next z/VM IPL. Good. =20 Now to find that new paging area.=20 Ed Martin=20 Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ext. 40441 Jim Bohnsack Cornell Univ. (607) 255-1760
Re: HCPCLS174E using VSE SA util tape
On Friday, 07/21/2006 at 11:24 AST, Edward M. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Alan, Unfortunately the paging volumes are on the 430RES and 430W03 used by lots. I understand that this is a CP message, but wouldn't the Standalone program driving the system be doing the page request? If you IPL a standalone program in an LPAR, then there is no need for this page request. It only occurs when you IPL something (anything) in a guest. CP cannot send a real IPL request to the device; so he has to simulate it. A hardware IPL doesn't have that problem. And if it is asking the wrong page requirement request(s) would that not cause the HCP message? And wouldn't the ICKDSF standalone get the same messages? No, and no. The error indicates that CP got an I/O error of some sort. If you suspect the device is failing, running EREP and looking at the report should confirm it. Of course, if EMC has already told you the device is having problems, then I'd believe them. When you get a chance, move your paging and spooling areas to dedicated volumes without minidisks on them. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: HCPCLS174E using VSE SA util tape
Hello Alan, I was IPLing both tapes in the same CMS user machine. But I am getting the errors. Now to convince the EMC CE that these are not the erroneous Smoke detector errors. Thanks for your patience, and explanations. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ext. 40441 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 1:15 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: HCPCLS174E using VSE SA util tape On Friday, 07/21/2006 at 11:24 AST, Edward M. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Alan, Unfortunately the paging volumes are on the 430RES and 430W03 used by lots. I understand that this is a CP message, but wouldn't the Standalone program driving the system be doing the page request? If you IPL a standalone program in an LPAR, then there is no need for this page request. It only occurs when you IPL something (anything) in a guest. CP cannot send a real IPL request to the device; so he has to simulate it. A hardware IPL doesn't have that problem. And if it is asking the wrong page requirement request(s) would that not cause the HCP message? And wouldn't the ICKDSF standalone get the same messages? No, and no. The error indicates that CP got an I/O error of some sort. If you suspect the device is failing, running EREP and looking at the report should confirm it. Of course, if EMC has already told you the device is having problems, then I'd believe them. When you get a chance, move your paging and spooling areas to dedicated volumes without minidisks on them. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: HCPCLS174E using VSE SA util tape
Ed, Looking again at your stats: q alloc page EXTENT EXTENT TOTAL PAGES HIGH% VOLID RDEV STARTEND PAGES IN USE PAGE USED -- -- -- -- -- -- 430RES 0792257390 24120767829 3% 430W03 075C 1802 1901 18000240250 1% -- -- SUMMARY42120 1007 2% USABLE 42120 1007 2% After further review (when is the opening kickoff this year?) it's now clear that you are really not paging much at all (at least not from that display). Maybe it's not worth your moving PAGE and SPOOL each to a separate DASD until you upgrade to z/VM 5.2 (or later). Contacting EMC looks like your best bet. But it you are not DASD constrained, it's always in the best practices realm to place PAGE and SPOL allocations on DASD with no other activity. After years of new customers reporting insufficient page and spool space on what were really meant as installation-starter spool/page allocations, with z/VM 5.1 IBM changed the z/VM Automated Installation and Service Guide to place them on their own DASD volumes: 510SPL and 510PAG. Mike Walter Hewitt Associates Edward M. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 07/21/2006 12:51 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: HCPCLS174E using VSE SA util tape Hello Alan, I was IPLing both tapes in the same CMS user machine. But I am getting the errors. Now to convince the EMC CE that these are not the erroneous Smoke detector errors. Thanks for your patience, and explanations. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ext. 40441 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 1:15 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: HCPCLS174E using VSE SA util tape On Friday, 07/21/2006 at 11:24 AST, Edward M. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Alan, Unfortunately the paging volumes are on the 430RES and 430W03 used by lots. I understand that this is a CP message, but wouldn't the Standalone program driving the system be doing the page request? If you IPL a standalone program in an LPAR, then there is no need for this page request. It only occurs when you IPL something (anything) in a guest. CP cannot send a real IPL request to the device; so he has to simulate it. A hardware IPL doesn't have that problem. And if it is asking the wrong page requirement request(s) would that not cause the HCP message? And wouldn't the ICKDSF standalone get the same messages? No, and no. The error indicates that CP got an I/O error of some sort. If you suspect the device is failing, running EREP and looking at the report should confirm it. Of course, if EMC has already told you the device is having problems, then I'd believe them. When you get a chance, move your paging and spooling areas to dedicated volumes without minidisks on them. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited.
Re: HCPCLS174E using VSE SA util tape
Hello Mike (Alan and everyone else helping me). Thanks for info. On all my other client sites I had it that way. here (and I am the system guy now) I have not had the chance to move to separate drive. I am paying the price now. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ext. 40441 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Walter Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 2:18 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: HCPCLS174E using VSE SA util tape Ed, Looking again at your stats: q alloc page EXTENT EXTENT TOTAL PAGES HIGH% VOLID RDEV STARTEND PAGES IN USE PAGE USED -- -- -- -- -- -- 430RES 0792257390 24120767829 3% 430W03 075C 1802 1901 18000240250 1% -- -- SUMMARY42120 1007 2% USABLE 42120 1007 2% After further review (when is the opening kickoff this year?) it's now clear that you are really not paging much at all (at least not from that display). Maybe it's not worth your moving PAGE and SPOOL each to a separate DASD until you upgrade to z/VM 5.2 (or later). Contacting EMC looks like your best bet. But it you are not DASD constrained, it's always in the best practices realm to place PAGE and SPOL allocations on DASD with no other activity. After years of new customers reporting insufficient page and spool space on what were really meant as installation-starter spool/page allocations, with z/VM 5.1 IBM changed the z/VM Automated Installation and Service Guide to place them on their own DASD volumes: 510SPL and 510PAG. Mike Walter Hewitt Associates Edward M. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 07/21/2006 12:51 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: HCPCLS174E using VSE SA util tape Hello Alan, I was IPLing both tapes in the same CMS user machine. But I am getting the errors. Now to convince the EMC CE that these are not the erroneous Smoke detector errors. Thanks for your patience, and explanations. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-588-4723 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ext. 40441 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 1:15 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: HCPCLS174E using VSE SA util tape On Friday, 07/21/2006 at 11:24 AST, Edward M. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Alan, Unfortunately the paging volumes are on the 430RES and 430W03 used by lots. I understand that this is a CP message, but wouldn't the Standalone program driving the system be doing the page request? If you IPL a standalone program in an LPAR, then there is no need for this page request. It only occurs when you IPL something (anything) in a guest. CP cannot send a real IPL request to the device; so he has to simulate it. A hardware IPL doesn't have that problem. And if it is asking the wrong page requirement request(s) would that not cause the HCP message? And wouldn't the ICKDSF standalone get the same messages? No, and no. The error indicates that CP got an I/O error of some sort. If you suspect the device is failing, running EREP and looking at the report should confirm it. Of course, if EMC has already told you the device is having problems, then I'd believe them. When you get a chance, move your paging and spooling areas to dedicated volumes without minidisks on them. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited.
Re: Menuexec - Where search for?
That's what Babble Fish is all about! Rich Smrcina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@listserv.uark.edu 07/21/2006 08:42 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@listserv.uark.edu To IBMVM@listserv.uark.edu cc Subject Re: Menuexec - Where search for? Security snob, network geek and he reads Cyrillic. Or... he's real good with an online translator. :) Alan Altmark wrote: On Friday, 07/21/2006 at 04:23 EST, al_gl2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: откомпилированные Hi. The English translation is compiled. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: 414-491-6001 Ans Service: 360-715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2007 - Green Bay, WI - May 18-22, 2007 This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for the individual or company to which it is addressed and may contain information which is privileged, confidential and prohibited from disclosure or unauthorized use under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, or copying of this e-mail or the information contained in this e-mail is strictly prohibited by the sender. If you have received this transmission in error, please return the material received to the sender and delete all copies from your system.
Re: IBMVM Digest - 20 Jul 2006 to 21 Jul 2006 (#2006-119) (Away from the office)
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