Re: New mainframe redbook
Yesterday, IBM released an new Redbook entitled: Introduction to the New Mainframe: z/OS Basics (http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg246366.html) ... It would be nice, imho, if IBM was to produce a similar Redbook for z/VM. I would be willing to contribute to it Dave: This book is the basis for the z/OS courses some higher-eds are offering. I have started (in my spare time) doing a z/VM version of this, but I think we need a formal project for this. Jim
Re: New mainframe redbook
Hi, Jim. spare time and Jim Elliott are phrases one very seldom sees together in the same sentence;-) At least one other person, besides myself, has expressed interest in contributing to a new document. What do we need to do to get this made into a formal project? Have a good one. DJ Jim Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yesterday, IBM released an new Redbook entitled: Introduction to the New Mainframe: z/OS Basics (http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg246366.html) ... It would be nice, imho, if IBM was to produce a similar Redbook for z/VM. I would be willing to contribute to it Dave: This book is the basis for the z/OS courses some higher-eds are offering. I have started (in my spare time) doing a z/VM version of this, but I think we need a formal project for this. Jim
Re: New mainframe redbook
How many customers do you need to offer to help before it can be made in to a formal project? I am also willing to contribute what I can to this. /Thomas Kern /301-903-2211 On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:34:32 -0500, Dave Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] w rote: spare time and Jim Elliott are phrases one very seldom sees together in the same sentence;-) At least one other person, besides myself, has expressed interest in contributing to a new document. What do we need to do to get this made into a formal project? DJ Jim Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yesterday, IBM released an new Redbook entitled: Introduction to the New Mainframe: z/OS Basics (http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg246366.html) This book is the basis for the z/OS courses some higher-eds are offering. I have started (in my spare time) doing a z/VM version of this, but I think we need a formal project for this. Jim
Re: New mainframe redbook
On Tuesday, 08/01/2006 at 10:18 AST, Jim Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] This book is the basis for the z/OS courses some higher-eds are offering. I have started (in my spare time) doing a z/VM version of this, but I think we need a formal project for this. There is already a proposal to create such a book. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: New mainframe redbook
count me in please. David Boyes wrote: On the other hand, why not do it ourselves? I'm willing to assemble, edit and typeset the book if others can contribute some of the content. IBM has published such things in the past via IBM Press, or I have contacts with Addison Wesley and O'Reilly that can get this published quickly. If we can agree on an outline and a timeframe, then that'll be a lot quicker than getting IBM to create a project for this. David Boyes Sine Nomine Associates -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Kern Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 11:16 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: New mainframe redbook How many customers do you need to offer to help before it can be made in to a formal project? I am also willing to contribute what I can to this. /Thomas Kern /301-903-2211
Re: New mainframe redbook
Thanks interesting to hear, Alan. As you might infer, there seems to be some interest both some of the list membership to see such a Redbook produced and are willing to donate some of their time and energy to make it happen. Can you tell us where this proposal stands? Is it related to the work Jim mentioned that he has already started? Wish I could be in Baltimore for SHARE, but my inheritance hasn't come through yet:-) DJ Alan Altmark wrote: On Tuesday, 08/01/2006 at 10:18 AST, Jim Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] This book is the basis for the z/OS courses some higher-eds are offering. I have started (in my spare time) doing a z/VM version of this, but I think we need a formal project for this. There is already a proposal to create such a book. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: New mainframe redbook
Well, we certainly seem to have enough Davids will to contribute...now we need some Bartons, Reeds, Romneys, Alans, Robs, Marcys and other VM gurus:-) DJ David Kreuter wrote: count me in please. David Boyes wrote: On the other hand, why not do it ourselves? I'm willing to assemble, edit and typeset the book if others can contribute some of the content. IBM has published such things in the past via IBM Press, or I have contacts with Addison Wesley and O'Reilly that can get this published quickly. If we can agree on an outline and a timeframe, then that'll be a lot quicker than getting IBM to create a project for this. David Boyes Sine Nomine Associates -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Kern Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 11:16 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: New mainframe redbook How many customers do you need to offer to help before it can be made in to a formal project? I am also willing to contribute what I can to this. /Thomas Kern /301-903-2211
Re: New mainframe redbook
On Tuesday, 08/01/2006 at 10:58 EST, Dave Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks interesting to hear, Alan. As you might infer, there seems to be some interest both some of the list membership to see such a Redbook produced and are willing to donate some of their time and energy to make it happen. Can you tell us where this proposal stands? Is it related to the work Jim mentioned that he has already started? The proposal is in the list to be considered and prioritized for 2007. Initial thoughts include: - System z hardware, with expanded discussion of assists, VM exploitation, and Guest exploitation - Evolution of virtualization on the mainframe - z/VM theory of operation and subsystems, with special attention on security and integrity - Day-to-day operations, incl. health checkin - User and resource administration - Use (the CMS Primer and Terminal Users Guide return!) - Automation - Guest operating systems - Integration into the enterprise The intent is to take information we already have from a variety of sources, then consolidate and distill it into a readable document that would allow someone unfamiliar with z/VM to get a sense of the Big Picture, even if the edge of the picture remains a bit out of focus. You could hand this book to a prospective VM sysprog or IT manager and they both would get something out of it. aka z/VM 101. Best Practices and System Programmer Tricks would be in vols. 2 and 3. :-) Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: New mainframe redbook
If time permits, I'd volunteer too. Surely vols 3 seems attractive to me. Kris, IBM Belgium, VM customer support On Tuesday, 08/01/2006 at 10:58 EST, Dave Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks interesting to hear, Alan. As you might infer, there seems to be some interest both some of the list membership to see such a Redbook produced and are willing to donate some of their time and energy to make it happen. Can you tell us where this proposal stands? Is it related to the work Jim mentioned that he has already started? The proposal is in the list to be considered and prioritized for 2007. Initial thoughts include: - System z hardware, with expanded discussion of assists, VM exploitation, and Guest exploitation - Evolution of virtualization on the mainframe - z/VM theory of operation and subsystems, with special attention on security and integrity - Day-to-day operations, incl. health checkin - User and resource administration - Use (the CMS Primer and Terminal Users Guide return!) - Automation - Guest operating systems - Integration into the enterprise The intent is to take information we already have from a variety of sources, then consolidate and distill it into a readable document that would allow someone unfamiliar with z/VM to get a sense of the Big Picture, even if the edge of the picture remains a bit out of focus. You could hand this book to a prospective VM sysprog or IT manager and they both would get something out of it. aka z/VM 101. Best Practices and System Programmer Tricks would be in vols. 2 and 3. :-) Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: New mainframe redbook
Was that volumes 2 and 3 **through** 8!? %-)~ Mike Walter Hewitt Associates David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 08/01/2006 02:00 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: New mainframe redbook I'm drafting a working outline for a community-published book to address some of this. Give me a day or so, and let's see if people are willing to sign up for pieces of it, and then we can plan volumes 2 and 3...8-) -- db OK, I see where you're heading with this. It's a much bigger project than what I was proposing doing with the z/OS Redbook. As Rob has suggested, having one or two authors per chapter, seemed to have worked well with the old VM/ESA Handbooks, and could do so here on the project as well. What can we, the folks that have expressed a willingness to help, do to get this moving along? The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited.
Re: New mainframe redbook
On Tuesday, 08/01/2006 at 01:36 EST, Dave Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I see where you're heading with this. It's a much bigger project than what I was proposing doing with the z/OS Redbook. The z/OS Redbook is 700 pages and just scratches the surface of z/OS. It really is the basics. But you get an idea of what z/OS is capable of doing (if not how to actually do it). And it has extensive use of color drawings, taking advantage of 1 pic := 1K words. As Rob has suggested, having one or two authors per chapter, seemed to have worked well with the old VM/ESA Handbooks, and could do so here on the project as well. What can we, the folks that have expressed a willingness to help, do to get this moving along? If you're interested in a Redbook, the first thing I'd do is go to the Redbooks website and review the process. It's not the same as that used by textbooks in general. If you have strong feelings about the Redbooks IBM produces (or should produce), then follow the Contact Us link on the website. And be sure to have a clear goal of your audience. Are you trying to explain to System Programmers how to be Good VM System Programmers? Are you trying to educate a colledge student? Sell an IT manager? Scoping the project is probably the most difficult aspect, whether we're talking about a Redbook, a textbook, or a community project. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Draft outline for z/VM New Parents Guide posted
As promised, I've posted my take on a book outline for new z/VM system programmers. I'd appreciate comments and extensions to the topics (and if people see sections they'd volunteer to write, I'd be thrilled). I think a lot of the material will be reading the IBM stuff and casting it into our own words, but we can also improve on same...8-) Note that the document is marked copyrighted by the VM Community Trust -- this is simply to avoid one of the commercial publishers picking it up and misusing it. I would intend this document to be owned by the VM community and maintained by same (in the same vein as Melinda Varian's classic What Mother Never Told You About VM Service). If we get further with this, I'll set up a non-profit to hold the copyrights so that it remains in the public trust. This was very successful for some items on Usenet. The proposed outline is available at: http://www.sinenomine.net/node/559. Comments are welcome, and should be posted to me and to the list. -- db
Re: Draft outline for z/VM New Parents Guide posted
Hi, Looking through the outline (wow, you do a lot, fast!) I thought of a few comments/suggestions. chapter 2: was SAPIPL supposed to say SALIPL? chapter 3: how about changing volsers (a definite FAQ!) does the QDIO setup belong here, rather than in chapter 4, interfaces? chapter 4: SMTP in services? under configuring LPR/LPD, should there be specific mention of the exit routines? (e.g. the new one for exits 0,1) chapter 5: MDISK and SFS filesystems? and yes, I think XEDIT, REXX, and PIPES should each be a chapter. chapter 8: getting your service up into L1 from L2? chapter 10: SFS admin tasks chapter 11: (Isn't that the bankrupt one) VMFTP? SHOW!! where to discuss upgrading your system to an entirely new v/r of VM? Thanks, Shimon On 1 Aug 2006 at 16:13, David Boyes wrote: As promised, I've posted my take on a book outline for new z/VM system programmers. I'd appreciate comments and extensions to the topics (and if people see sections they'd volunteer to write, I'd be thrilled). I think a lot of the material will be reading the IBM stuff and casting it into our own words, but we can also improve on same...8-) Note that the document is marked copyrighted by the VM Community Trust -- this is simply to avoid one of the commercial publishers picking it up and misusing it. I would intend this document to be owned by the VM community and maintained by same (in the same vein as Melinda Varian's classic What Mother Never Told You About VM Service). If we get further with this, I'll set up a non-profit to hold the copyrights so that it remains in the public trust. This was very successful for some items on Usenet. The proposed outline is available at: http://www.sinenomine.net/node/559. Comments are welcome, and should be posted to me and to the list. -- db
Re: Draft outline for z/VM New Parents Guide posted
Nice start! Chapter 8 could be Book 2. That really could end up being one very long chapter unless you stick very close to the IBM default recommendations, You know, like we all do... on days that end in z. The maintenance/service philosophies from different folks could be chapters in themselves. There is of course only one correct way to do service and that would be, well, mine. I have tried to develop my SHARE VMSES/E Intro session and Lab into something that most folks can walk away from and understand more about what VMSES/E is up to and how to apply service to VM. This is one hour lecture and one hour lab, but it would be very easy to make it much longer given all the possible scenario of maintenance (PTF, many PTFs, missing pre-req, RSU, new release/version, second level -vs- first level, etc etc). Then beyond that is something I stress about why learning what VMSES/E is up to is a Good Thing. One day these folks are going to want/need to do something more advanced like a local mod, or installing a product that has mods or replacement TXT files, etc. Having the 'basic advanced topics' documented for reference would certainly help them get started. I look forward to seeing this idea bloom more! ___ James Vincent Systems Engineering Consultant Nationwide Services Co., Technology Solutions Mainframe, z/VM and z/Linux Support One Nationwide Plaza 3-20-13 Columbus OH 43215-2220 U.S.A Voice: (614) 249-5547Fax: (614) 677-7681 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 08/01/2006 04:13:08 PM: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU As promised, I've posted my take on a book outline for new z/VM system programmers. I'd appreciate comments and extensions to the topics (and if people see sections they'd volunteer to write, I'd be thrilled). I think a lot of the material will be reading the IBM stuff and casting it into our own words, but we can also improve on same...8-) Note that the document is marked copyrighted by the VM Community Trust -- this is simply to avoid one of the commercial publishers picking it up and misusing it. I would intend this document to be owned by the VM community and maintained by same (in the same vein as Melinda Varian's classic What Mother Never Told You About VM Service). If we get further with this, I'll set up a non-profit to hold the copyrights so that it remains in the public trust. This was very successful for some items on Usenet. The proposed outline is available at: http://www.sinenomine.net/node/559. Comments are welcome, and should be posted to me and to the list. -- db
Re: Draft outline for z/VM New Parents Guide posted
Chapter 3 note - applying the most recent RSU/COR is included in the VM One Page Install sheet. So it should be a normal thing in a virgin install of VM for the person to use the automatic tools (SERVICE PUT2PROD). Those steps are definitely included there and seem to be well documented for normal/basic service in the Service Guide for folks that want all the details. The only case where SERVICE would or may not be used is if the sysprog decided to futz with the PPF file(s) and changes the defaults as soon as the system was installed. I could go on and on and on... oh look, shiny things! Gotta run... ___ James Vincent Systems Engineering Consultant Nationwide Services Co., Technology Solutions Mainframe, z/VM and z/Linux Support One Nationwide Plaza 3-20-13 Columbus OH 43215-2220 U.S.A Voice: (614) 249-5547Fax: (614) 677-7681 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 08/01/2006 04:13:08 PM: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU As promised, I've posted my take on a book outline for new z/VM system programmers. I'd appreciate comments and extensions to the topics (and if people see sections they'd volunteer to write, I'd be thrilled). I think a lot of the material will be reading the IBM stuff and casting it into our own words, but we can also improve on same...8-) Note that the document is marked copyrighted by the VM Community Trust -- this is simply to avoid one of the commercial publishers picking it up and misusing it. I would intend this document to be owned by the VM community and maintained by same (in the same vein as Melinda Varian's classic What Mother Never Told You About VM Service). If we get further with this, I'll set up a non-profit to hold the copyrights so that it remains in the public trust. This was very successful for some items on Usenet. The proposed outline is available at: http://www.sinenomine.net/node/559. Comments are welcome, and should be posted to me and to the list. -- db
Re: New mainframe redbook
Ah, flattered to be included in that list of fine VM folks. However, I'm running around like a chicken without its head these days. Be careful what you ask for - build it they will come - and then they won't go away! I think it was way easier being a less important o/s fighting for survival rather than here in the limelight (head light, whatever). Now, I've got a new guy who I though I would give the straightforward task of Order the PTFs required for z/VM 510 to run on a 2094. Do this by checking on the PSP bucket for 2094DEVICE. Easy,peasy, right? The list of stuff to order at the bottom on ibmlink.com of that bucket is a whole mishmash of different releases, and didn't cover the ones actually needed. If you open an ETR these days and ask a real person to order you the bucket, is it possible to download electronically? The last thing I need is an actual tape! Anyway - put that stuff in the book since I'm finding it hard to explain to anyone! Marcy Cortes This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Jones Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 09:02 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] New mainframe redbook Well, we certainly seem to have enough Davids will to contribute...now we need some Bartons, Reeds, Romneys, Alans, Robs, Marcys and other VM gurus:-) DJ David Kreuter wrote: count me in please. David Boyes wrote: On the other hand, why not do it ourselves? I'm willing to assemble, edit and typeset the book if others can contribute some of the content. IBM has published such things in the past via IBM Press, or I have contacts with Addison Wesley and O'Reilly that can get this published quickly. If we can agree on an outline and a timeframe, then that'll be a lot quicker than getting IBM to create a project for this. David Boyes Sine Nomine Associates -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Kern Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 11:16 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: New mainframe redbook How many customers do you need to offer to help before it can be made in to a formal project? I am also willing to contribute what I can to this. /Thomas Kern /301-903-2211
Re: New mainframe redbook
Ah, flattered to be included in that list of fine VM folks. However, I'm running around like a chicken without its head these days. Be careful what you ask for - build it they will come - and then they won't go away! I think it was way easier being a less important o/s fighting for survival rather than here in the limelight (head light, whatever). Ah, welcome fellow Deer (chicken?) in the middle of the Linux Road! Rick Barlow said a good quote today that I am using/stealing now: And I thought we were busy -before- Linux showed up! This whole Linux thing is just a fad. Saving millions of dollars, bah! It won't last... CIO/CTOs will get bored with saving seven figures and stop bugging us. That list of fine VM folks has to be suspect, especially when one starts with Reed. (I can get away with this since he won't be at SHARE :-) ___ James Vincent Systems Engineering Consultant Nationwide Services Co., Technology Solutions Mainframe, z/VM and z/Linux Support One Nationwide Plaza 3-20-13 Columbus OH 43215-2220 U.S.A Voice: (614) 249-5547Fax: (614) 677-7681 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Draft outline for z/VM New Parents Guide posted
It is easy to see how this could grow to more than one book! I can see a couple things that might be worth expanding. In chapter 4, it might be worthwhile to add Guest LAN and Hipersockets to the Connecting Interfaces section. I think it would also be useful to make some reference to Pass-Through somwhat like you suggest for VTAM. Chapter 6 should probably touch on PROP as the rudimentary automation tool included with z/VM. There could also be sections to introduce included tools like VMUTIL. Someone already mentioned inclusion of HCD. That section should probably also discuss the native z/VM commands and the contrasts between the two options. Rick Barlow Systems Engineering Consultant Nationwide Services Co., Enterprise Business Intelligence Services Mainframe, z/VM and zSeries Linux Support One Nationwide Plaza 3-20-13 Columbus OH 43215-2220 U.S.A Voice: (614) 249-5213Fax: (614) 677-0821 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 08/01/2006 04:13:08 PM: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU As promised, I've posted my take on a book outline for new z/VM system programmers. I'd appreciate comments and extensions to the topics (and if people see sections they'd volunteer to write, I'd be thrilled). I think a lot of the material will be reading the IBM stuff and casting it into our own words, but we can also improve on same...8-) Note that the document is marked copyrighted by the VM Community Trust -- this is simply to avoid one of the commercial publishers picking it up and misusing it. I would intend this document to be owned by the VM community and maintained by same (in the same vein as Melinda Varian's classic What Mother Never Told You About VM Service). If we get further with this, I'll set up a non-profit to hold the copyrights so that it remains in the public trust. This was very successful for some items on Usenet. The proposed outline is available at: http://www.sinenomine.net/node/559. Comments are welcome, and should be posted to me and to the list. -- db
Re: Draft outline for z/VM New Parents Guide posted
Perhaps Care and Feeding of SFS, also? -dan. David Kreuter wrote: 1. dynamic i/o 2. network tracing 3. second the motion for DIRMAINT 4. rudiments of CP and CMS debugging including dump tools and interactive commands 5. system shutdown 6. TSAF and/or CSE David The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 08/01/2006 04:13:08 PM: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU As promised, I've posted my take on a book outline for new z/VM system programmers. I'd appreciate comments and extensions to the topics (and if people see sections they'd volunteer to write, I'd be thrilled). I think a lot of the material will be reading the IBM stuff and casting it into our own words, but we can also improve on same...8-) Note that the document is marked copyrighted by the VM Community Trust -- this is simply to avoid one of the commercial publishers picking it up and misusing it. I would intend this document to be owned by the VM community and maintained by same (in the same vein as Melinda Varian's classic What Mother Never Told You About VM Service). If we get further with this, I'll set up a non-profit to hold the copyrights so that it remains in the public trust. This was very successful for some items on Usenet. The proposed outline is available at: http://www.sinenomine.net/node/559. Comments are welcome, and should be posted to me and to the list. -- db
