[IceHorses] Re: sick horses
The one horse has an impaction but seems > somewhat better. The other horse has a temp of 105.2 which is really scary At least they are lucky to have an experienced and caring attentive owner. That should increase their likelihood of recovery. Even the 'feel' they get from that will help them. I hope all goes well. Sue coombes.
Re: [IceHorses] sick horses
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:20:12 -0700, you wrote: >The other horse has a temp of 105.2 which is really scary God, Robyn, I hope they are ok Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Icetolt
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 01:48:22 -, you wrote: >But do they know about the horrible torque they are putting on their >joints that will cause long term damage? I do not believe that a few minutes - 5 minutes loose, 5 minutes "see the ice with a rider", 5 minutes competing (with another 5 minutes if the horse is in a final) once a year or less will cause long term damage in a fit horse. Look at showjumpers and eventers who are ridden every weekend jumping in mud or on grass with studs in. Is that any different, other than the fact that of course showjumpers and eventers spend a whole lot more time doing it??? And my hips and knees are quite buggered enough without even thinking about running in golf cleats! Is that even possible? Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] welcome to my world
> I took these pics on the florida hiking trail > adjoining our property > about an hour ago. i am blessed and grateful to > live here! what a > beautiful day. a gift. I played hookie from work! > its cool, about > 45, and blustery crisp wind and bright and sunny. > Just glorious. > Janice you are blessed. Very pretty. Lorraine Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [IceHorses] sick horses
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 8:20 PM, Robyn Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi > > Weird day – fed in the morning and our neighbour called to say that there > was a horse lying down in the pasture so we went out and brought in one and > noticed another horse lying down – just quietly but not eating. > am not really feeling good about > this horse so your thoughts for both of them would be appreciated. > > > > Robyn Hood > I wish the best for both of them. That really does sound pretty frightening! I'm always happy when each day goes by and the animals are all okay... Ferne
[IceHorses] oh great
i was walking through one of the paddock areas today, leading a horse and I swear i heard that little eebeebee digital tone that happens when a camera turns on. I thought I imagined it cause I've taken so many pics lately and it was faint, far away. Then it happened again. I wondered if my camera was in the truck and had turned itself off, but that was impossible, it wasnt in the truck and I hadnt been in the truck in days. I finally got all the horses in and fed and was sitting on my old bench and swinging at turkeys and trying to enjoy the sunset when faintly, I heard it again, unmistakably. so. I live in the middle of nowhere. Am I paranoid? DId I imagine things? Is someone taking my picture while I am out there dropping my pants when I feel like I cant make it all the way back to the house to go to the bathroom, cussing turkeys and throwing buckets at them... am I under surveillance?!?!? so then my husband comes home. I told him, laughing oh silly me, I swear I heard a digital camera sound today in the pasture. He says hmm. The other night I went out there I swear I saw an infrared light beam. But i thought i was imagining it cause it was gone when I tried to find it again. so we go out there. and guess what. someone has one of those deer feeders and an electronic infrared camera videoing movement in the woods, and my pastures! My god what if it records sound?!?!? is this embarassing or what! what is the world coming to! oh my gosh what if its the fish a nd wildlife commission trying to catch poachers... i am so embarassed Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
[IceHorses] sick horses
Hi Weird day - fed in the morning and our neighbour called to say that there was a horse lying down in the pasture so we went out and brought in one and noticed another horse lying down - just quietly but not eating. I brought in the first guy as he didn't have much gut sound and called the vet. Also brought in the other guy for the vet to look at - mostly he was just too subdued for my liking. The one horse has an impaction but seems somewhat better. The other horse has a temp of 105.2 which is really scary as he has no cough, no runny nose - basically no other symptoms - we drew blood, gave him banamine and penicillin - I am not really feeling good about this horse so your thoughts for both of them would be appreciated. Robyn Hood
Re: [IceHorses] pure love
On 15/04/2008, Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Orri has been at the boarding barn for a year and he's in a pasture > with a mix of mares and geldings. He usually sticks to Gat quite > closely but occasionally I see him grooming some of the other mares. > He did fight with the geldings a lot when he first moved there but he > doesn't seem to do much now (that I know of). Was it really fighting or what I would call wrestling? I'm not sure if my boys would survive if they couldn't torment each other. They play and wrestle and and then they all stop to eat or I'll find them grooming each other later. Geldings do tend to need to play...much more so than the mares. At least in my little herd.. But then I've never raised a fillyonly boys.. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Trausti gait - stills from video
On 15/04/2008, tolt674 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > He CAN trot, but not in that video. He was doing one of his favorites, > flat walk. He defaults to flat/running walk, although he has the full > range, from pace to trot. When I'm ground driving Dagur the next time - I'll ask CARA to a video of him.Dagur does a lovely flat walk. Wanda
[IceHorses] Re: Icetolt
Or do they step gingerly, picking their way for the most part? >> That would be more like it. I think the telling statement in what the 'vet'said was "diagnosed" - not being diagnosed with a problem doesn't mean it can't exist and we know spavin exists. And how many horses in Iceland are slaughtered for being lame, with no definite diagnosis? We know it's a high number compared to what we are used to. As far as footing being a common cause of lameness, that's been common knoweldge as long as I've owned horses - I don' know how much prior. I can't count the number of articles I've read about the science of good footing in an arena, neither too deep, too soft, or too hard. It's known that horses can become lame from going on hard pavement. We don't have tons of ice here, but we do have more than our fair share of mud. We were told not to jump our horses in the mud, or on slick grass from our very first lessons. We were told to avoid slick surfaces (and ice is the slickest of slick surfaces...) as well as hard surfaces. I can't imagine how people think that Icelandic's are miraculously immune to the laws of physics. Karen Thomas, NC
[IceHorses] Re: Icetolt
They are happy to run around if they are wearing ice nails, apparently. I've not seen it - never been to an icetolt - but a friend who went to one in Holland said the horses were allowed loose on to the ice before it all started and they seemed to love it as they felt secure on it. Of course they feel secure if they have ICE NAILS in in their shoes. But do they know about the horrible torque they are putting on their joints that will cause long term damage? Shame on people for interfering with their natural instincts to move carefully... Would you go for a run in golf cleats? I'd bet not...and I'd not be too sympathetic in a few years if you did and had damage to your knees and hips. Karen Thomas, NC
[IceHorses] Re: Brunka gait- still shots from video
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Janice McDonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:hmm, i still say foxtrot but now and then almost a saddlerack? how can that be Janice She's foxtrotting in that sequence. Under saddle, she's what most people would probably call a "natural tolter" because her gait is so smooth. I never paid much attention to her gaits at first, assuming she was saddle-racking...but then I started staring at her under saddle videos and saw there was more of a diagonal influence than I first thought. I think she's another Icelandic who does that elusive gait, the fox-saddle-rack: slightly diagonal in pickup, but even in set-down. Karen Thomas, NC
[IceHorses] Re: pure love
Cary says five is our limit. >> We've always had a six dog limit. I did go over for a short time when we rescued a gorgeous Borzoi, but he found a new home quickly. How do you keep them from fighting? I've heard that when you have 2 dogs they should be a male and a female so they won't fight, but with a pack, how do you mix gender? V Virginia, sometimes I think the people who make up these gender rules haven't had many animals. I've always heard that hooey about not having multiple females, and we've ALWAYS had multiple girls. Rarely do they even scuffle, and many have been dear, dear friends with each other. Right now, Connie kind of enjoys making young Maggie beg for her affection, but it's nothing serious. Of course, I don't go for the more aggressive breeds generally - we typically have had hunting dogs, mixes of various hunting dog heritages, and general purpose mutts. At them moment, our happy pack includes Betty Sue (JRT, 5), Simon (English Setter, 3), Connie (English Setter, 3), Frank (Pug, 10 months) and Maggie (mix hunting heritage, 5 months.) Three girls and two boys - they have an occasional disagreement, but they work it out. Oh, yeah, they share a fenced backyard with four disabled cats too, and they all get along. Maybe if people are nervous and expect trouble, the tension wears off on the dogs? Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Trausti gait - stills from video
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Yes, I don't think it was quite fast enough for run walk, so flat walk. > > Why is a 'flat' walk called 'flat'? > > V > i think cause it looks and sounds like they are just hitting flat footed on the ground. A big walking horse like my fox, real heavy, when he walks down a clay road it goes whop whop whop whop and he nods. Teev has a nice animated perky flatwalk too! Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Classical Training in Iceland and Natural Gaits
> > > > > Do you ask for gait the same way with all your horses? > V > haha YES thats a good one v tee hee. I dont know jackola about askin for gait! My horses just do what they do! But I have learned where each ones sweet spot is, or the vicinity of it and I go for that. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
[IceHorses] Re: Trausti gait - stills from video
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Janice McDonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: was he trotting some? Janice He CAN trot, but not in that video. He was doing one of his favorites, flat walk. He defaults to flat/running walk, although he has the full range, from pace to trot. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] OT - the puppy is getting bigger
oh my gosh he is cute as the dickens!! Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
RE: [IceHorses] pure love now mixing geldings and mares
I agree with Karen. Geldings and mares should get along fine. You might want to introduce another gelding slowly if one possessive gelding has had a group of mares for some time. At some stables I've worked that had pasture board, they were adamant that the mares and geldings be separate, but I've always mixed mine. In CA when I was working with Rock Ranch's horses, I had three geldings, a yearling colt, and two mares in the pasture-all got along. Now there are two Belgian geldings and four mares and a filly in together. They are all compatible except at feeding time one of the Belgians was a bully, but now that I've taught him to stand in the corner while I bring the skinnier Belgian in another corral for extra food, then he gets a treat, he continues standing while I bring the bale in and quickly give the mares their hay-he then gets his hay and some special goodies in his corner! Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] pure love
Mac and Thunder were our first two horses, then we got Holly. We had the three of them for about 18 months, then we bought Sundance...then Joe. Next came Gracie, then Cruise. I bought them in that order, and they always lived together until age-related feeding needs kicked in and I separated them for that reason. I'd heard the warnings about having multiple geldings in with mares, and I think it's basically hooey. I guess it just depends on the horses. Oh yeah, I forgot to add: Joe was about seven when we got him, and he'd only been gelded only about six months. He'd bred a lot of mares too, for several seasons. He was absolutely no trouble at all when we brought him into a herd of four geldings and one mare. Karen Thomas, NC
[IceHorses] Re: OT - the puppy is getting bigger
I love and own a toy poodle named ACE kristen http://www.barnculture.com
Re: [IceHorses] pure love
I guess it just depends on the horses. Exactly right. Where I board, it is of course their business to keep horses safe and they usually have geldings together and mares together, but with careful supervision when they are first introduced, they will mix sexes. Tosca was put in first with her Icelandic buddy Lina, plus another mare and a gelding. The mare ran her all over the pasture. Given enough motivation, Tosca does a flying pace. So we pulled her right back out and put her in with five geldings. They all did just fine. Later, another large pony mare was added to the mix. The two ponies hang out together. They're really sweet to watch. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] OT - the puppy is getting bigger
What a great dog~ I love standard poodles and have also owned a couple of Aussies. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] pure love
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's been a couple of years since Orri was gelded, right? And he only bred > for one season? Has he lived with geldings since his surgery? > > Orri has been at the boarding barn for a year and he's in a pasture with a mix of mares and geldings. He usually sticks to Gat quite closely but occasionally I see him grooming some of the other mares. He did fight with the geldings a lot when he first moved there but he doesn't seem to do much now (that I know of). V
Re: [IceHorses] pure love
And how does it work with horses? I have a mare and a gelding. I'm thinking that maybe my next two horses should be mares because I think Orri would probably fight with another gelding over the mares (he was gelded late). Or am I off on that? Melnir was gelded at nine last year and lives in the pasture now with about 8-10 mares, plus Skjoni, Buck, and Loftur. Loftur was a breeding stallion for a while, up until he was about five, and Buck was gelded fairly late, about four. Melnir really doesn't particularly care for Trausti for who knows what reason - Trausti SEEMS to be one of the quietest, most easy-going horses in the herd. Still, they lived together for a while with mares. Buck, the last one gelded just before Melnir, is Melnir's little buddy, his deputy. Mac and Thunder were our first two horses, then we got Holly. We had the three of them for about 18 months, then we bought Sundance...then Joe. Next came Gracie, then Cruise. I bought them in that order, and they always lived together until age-related feeding needs kicked in and I separated them for that reason. I'd heard the warnings about having multiple geldings in with mares, and I think it's basically hooey. I guess it just depends on the horses. It's been a couple of years since Orri was gelded, right? And he only bred for one season? Has he lived with geldings since his surgery? Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Classical Training in Iceland and Natural Gaits
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > My stonewall wont do > anything but trot in the field and saddlerack when I ride him, and he > did a stepping pace when my husband rode him was it the saddle? The > extra weight? The way he sits? My fox will saddlerack head high if > nervous, and when he relaxes his head comes down, he begins to nod and > running walk. nasi does this weird little skippy fox trot everywhere > and canter. he loves to canter everywhere he goes. Traveller foxtrots > under saddle and in the field does some kinda shuffling low to the > ground smooth thing thats really pretty, have no idea what it is. > tivar canters and gallops and saunters in the field, trots and > flatwalks under saddle. > Janice > Do you ask for gait the same way with all your horses? V
Re: [IceHorses] OT - the puppy is getting bigger
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 8:57 PM, Jacki Edens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Cobber is now 7 months old. Wow! He's a cutie! V
Re: [IceHorses] pure love
> How do you keep them from fighting? I've heard that when you have 2 > dogs they should be a male and a female so they won't fight, but with > a pack, how do you mix gender? I have two females. and a male. One female, ruby, she is old and grouchy and just wants to be with me. The other female and the male are best friends. But they never fight so hard as to do damage. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] pure love
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 8:59 PM, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes, I had always heard that, too. And we have had problems with > un-neutered males, but if we spay and neuter early, everyone gets along. If not spayed/neutered early would it be more of a problem? And how does it work with horses? I have a mare and a gelding. I'm thinking that maybe my next two horses should be mares because I think Orri would probably fight with another gelding over the mares (he was gelded late). Or am I off on that? V
Re: [IceHorses] pure love
> How do you keep them from fighting? I've heard that when you have 2 > dogs they should be a male and a female so they won't fight, but with > a pack, how do you mix gender? Yes, I had always heard that, too. And we have had problems with un-neutered males, but if we spay and neuter early, everyone gets along. We have two males and two females, all adult. What we have to guard against is having the two male labs take off wandering. They are allowed to play together but only when there is a human along. Nancy
[IceHorses] Distance Riding
An interesting website, with good articles: http://www.distanceriding.org/ Their current newsletter: http://distanceriding.org/php/newsletters/AprSentinel08.pdf Judy
Re: [IceHorses] Shedding but still shaggy
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > wow, if he had a white splash on the nose I would see Nasi standing > there! He is such a beautiful stocky guy V! > Janice > He does look stocky in that photo--I hope when he sheds out he still looks stocky!. V
Re: [IceHorses] pure love
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Cary says five is our limit. > > We've always had a six dog limit. I did go over for a short time when we > rescued a gorgeous Borzoi, but he found a new home quickly. > > We're down to four - surely we need another. > How do you keep them from fighting? I've heard that when you have 2 dogs they should be a male and a female so they won't fight, but with a pack, how do you mix gender? V
Re: [IceHorses] pure love
Cary says five is our limit. We've always had a six dog limit. I did go over for a short time when we rescued a gorgeous Borzoi, but he found a new home quickly. We're down to four - surely we need another. nancy
[IceHorses] Finally tried my Sensation on an endurance ride!!!
By Flora of the treelesssaddle list: I have finally gotten the chance to use my Sensation Dressage Trail on the endurance trail this weekend -- on a very technical, very difficult, very mountainous 55 mile ride (No Frills) -- and all I can say is... WOW! I have never felt so good, never been in such lovely balance (when I compared this ride photo to the official photographs from other rides), and never been so comfortable! Even my Welsh/Arab pony did fantastic -- for the first time EVER in (now) 1,370 miles - he walked into every vet check well below parameters!!! Well below! Even though by afternoon the temps were almost 80 degrees!!! In the past I have always had to strip off tack to get him down, even when the temps were freezing and it was sleeting. Not anymore!! The Cloud Nine pad and the Sensation kept his back nice and cool. While I watched the other riders stripping off tack and sponging like mad to get pulses down, he and I just strolled into the pulse area, saddle on and girth still tight -- at 56! I swear that never, ever in my whole endurance career have I ever been able to do this! I can't express how so very elated I am -- I'm just about dancing around the room for joy!!! He even ate at all the checks which he has also NEVER done before -- probably because his back had always hurt, which caused him ulcers which further worsened the back issue - a vicious cycle that I could never get a handle on. My poor guy! Now that he was feeling better both physically and mentally with a saddle he liked, we got to watch other riders (a fair number!) coming back, upset, without their vet cards because they were being held by the vets for gut sounds recheck... and we weren't among them. He was busy chewing and eating... and I was standing there in disbelief with a smile getting bigger and bigger by the second. He and I finished 13th out of 36 or so (think that was the number of starters) -- even though we weren't trying to place, just out to ride the miles to get to our goal of 3,000. Because he's turned 18 (as of yesterday) we took our time, enjoyed the trail, I got sunburned (rather than sleeted or rained upon like prior years), he got to stop a lot and eat fresh spring grass, I got to run down mountains, and get on and off from the ground without the saddle shifting even the slightest, and we trotted across the finish line 7 hours 17 minutes later happy and pain-free - both of us. Checked his back later that day and the next -- not even a hint of soreness, where before he would dip his back at a touch like a limbo dancer. So... not only do I give the Sensation an A++ and two very enthusiastic "thumbs up" for hard endurance riding, but it exceeded expectations on nearly every level -- comfort, stability, correct rider positioning, no heat build-up underneath. I have decided that this saddle will now be a partner in my 3,000 mile goal. Judy http://iceryder.net
Re: [IceHorses] Trausti gait - stills from video
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, I don't think it was quite fast enough for run walk, so flat walk. Why is a 'flat' walk called 'flat'? V
Re: [IceHorses] pure love
>>> They were pug, chihuaha and lahsa apso mix. I thought that was quite an >>> interesting mix of breeds. That sounds like my kind of dog - I want one! Good thing you're across the continent. Cary says five is our limit. But, then Cary says a lot of stuff... :) Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Brunka gait at liberty
its just that donny thinks a trail obstacle is just that, an obstacle you might find on the trail. He thinks you take a photo of your horse looking at it. That log he had me take Tivar up to, it came up to teev's chest. I said "you want him to do a standing jump or something?" I was worried his belly would land on it. Donny said "no, thats good, i got the pic" as teev was just staring at it wonderingly like "oh look, a fallen tree. I wonder if you can eat the bark of a fallen tree..." and he had the camera setting on pixels or whatever it is that makes the photos so large not even NASA could have the technology to upload or download them. They would be photos large enough to hang in Times Square in New york. i am not gonna win the vurtual horse show. I will be one of the ordinary ones. But donny is having fun and is on a mission and actually riding with me he is so into it, and thats what its all about isnt it... getting people involved and excited about having their horses do things! HEY i gotta GREAT idea!!! Judy, we need a blooper category! I would win it!! Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Flooded Icey's
I just got home from work and am now reading emails. I know that Lanny had a very large list of 6 month to 2 year old that he was trying to sale quickly. I actually offered to buy 2 while we were in Ohio but he could not work out taking me to his farm and being at Equine Affaire. I do not know how desperate he really is but I thought I would pass on the information that he gave me. The 2 babies ( 6 and 9 month old) that he had at Equine Affaire looked really small to me. One had an eye infection. I just hope he has a way to take care of them. I hate to see any animal suffer. Renee
Re: [IceHorses] Flooded Icey's
i looked it up, they are well below major flood stage. The bad floods are in Mississippi, arkansaw, and Louisiana. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Trausti gait - stills from video
hey guess what I discovered by accident. if you scroll to the bottom of the page and your mouse has a roller ball thingie, scroll up and as you scroll over the pictures of trausti he moves. He walks like in an oldies movie :) Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Trausti gait - stills from video
was he trotting some? Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
[IceHorses] I swear
i know i am paranoid and egocentric but holy cow, doesnt it seem a weird coincidence, every month we have a big discussion on these lists, then the Horse Newsletter comes out and it has articles on these subjects... this month fire ants and horses and an article on horses eating toxic plants. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Flooded Icey's
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > These stories are always so hard to read. If I lived closer, I'd be happy > to foster three until he is ready to take them back, but from Oregon? > Nancy well, if the area is flooding, i'm sure their city or county has a disaster plan that addresses animals? I would hope so! But people close by could try and help... When Katrina came, I put my name on a list to take in a horse but foster homes were found for those, and the people who took them, many of them, ended up with them forever. So many humans never made it back home again, homes destroyed etc, pets and humans got disconnected! But i just hated it when the fires came to southern california too! Poor animals, not knowing whats going on... but when we had recent flooding from a storm there was a photo in our paper of horses standing in three feet of water and it said they had access to a dryer lot but wouldnt leave the one they considered "home". so I know thats important to them too. Maybe it wont flood any worse! we can pray for them. and visualize them standing on dry ground. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] new horses
Yes, TWHBEA registered mares, both. he is my friend who breeds and trains australian shepherd versatility dogs. Janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] MIc's yearling
> visit the EGSF website where you can purchase items to help support > the charity. This disease affects all type of horses and ponies and > therefore all types of horse owners. The Equine Grass Sickness Funds > need YOUR help in raising money to find the cause of this devastating > disease. man that is scarey! Doesnt sound like you could do anything to try and stop it! Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Icetolt
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Mic Rushen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:40:21 -0500, you wrote: > > >feeding the foal because she gave birth and her uterus came out with > >the baby. > > That's relatively common in sheep, and fairly common in cattle. I > would have thought the vet could have fixed it... ?? > > Horrid to see, though. > > Mic > that was the whole point, she was in a pasture situation, a herd situation, they went out to check and she had given birth some time before and it was too late. Then the vet came, said she needed to be taken to auburn or put down. They put her down. When she went to defecate the manure came out her vulva. Janice
Re: [IceHorses] Flooded Icey's
> > can anybody call him?? These stories are always so hard to read. If I lived closer, I'd be happy to foster three until he is ready to take them back, but from Oregon? Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] new horses
Ohmigosh. What a gorgeous horse. TWH? Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Finding the Sweet Spot
You can definitely help your horse with the use of concepts like neutral pelvis but you can't 'stay' in one place or you become really stiff and then the horse becomes stiff. It is about constantly - refinding neutral as the motion of the horse is like centrifugal force that will tend to move us out of it. Robyn Sorry, I didn't mean to say that the rider would sit still in one spot. I'm not sure what word I would substitute, as "spot" does tend to imply a fixed place, which isn't what Mr. Black is talking about at all. It is dynamic, more like the "sweet spot" of a surfer on a wave then the "sweet spot" on a tennis racket. I think this is what some people call "following a feel", or "getting with the horse". The next step, I think, is you offering a feel for the horse to follow. In dance terms, as was mentioned in an earlier post, you would be leading instead of following. My idea is first you find the sweet spot for where the horse is and let them feel you moving with them, then gradually change your movements. The horse is going to want that good feel again and will try to follow you. (Now, I'm not saying I can do this. I'm about at the point where I can, say, slightly tighten my body as a foot is coming off the ground to slow that foot down. Sometimes, LOL) I think this is the way great riders like Liz can get big improvements in gait when you can't see them doing much of anything. First time I ever saw it was at a Ray Hunt clinic about 10 years ago -- at the time it was "magic". Also someone (sorry I deleted the post) asked about the weight on the inside seat bone on a turn. As I understand it, by putting your weight to the inside the horse has to "catch-up" to follow your weight so they lean into the turn and the inside shoulder drops. (Some one who is better at this, please chime in!) I was taught to keep my weight centered, but move my outside hip bone away from the horse making room for the ribs to arc out. (Think off your hip as being a drawer that you can pull out.) I find it really helpful to get down on all fours and try these things out, have some one play rider and shift their weight and see how it effects you. Kat
Re: [IceHorses] Mic's yearling.
>>--- Mic Rushen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I left him to go and let out the chickens etc and when I came back he was down, flat out, and as I watched, he just died. The vet will be doing a PM tomorrow. I'll let you all know the results.<< I'm so sorry for you Mic. It is s hard. So fast. No words come, just sadness. Ashley Double A Tack Shop, Inc 796 Main Rd Holden, Maine 04429 207-843-6563 Open Tues-Sat 10am-6pm
[IceHorses] BANAMINE ALERT
I know that I have mentioned in the past the Banamine should not be given IM, as it is an IV drug. I want to again stress the importance of NOT giving Banamine IM. Please say a prayer for this horse. Please also read the warning on the Banamine Product Disclosure, down on the bottom under Adverse Reactions. http://www.banamine.com/disclosure/index.html Email posted with permission from the author: Sat. 04/12/2008 Our niece's horse, Jeremiah, coliced on Saturday due to the heat. Her horse vet was out of town fishing, the cow vet doesn't work weekends so the farrier who also works at the racetrack came out to check him. He gave Jeremiah a shot of banamine in the neck muscle. Sunday Jeremiah was fine, on Monday morning his neck was huge. She called her horse vet, he came over and wanted her to give him penicillin shots 3 times a day and said he had a bacterial infection. She was feeling uneasy about it and took Jeremiah to UC Davis. They did an ultrasound and took a biopsy. They called her last night and said he has an 81% chance of survival. They told her 1 out of 100 horses get a bad bacteria infection when giving Banamine in the muscle. They told her she was lucky it was given in the neck as opposed to by a leg as he would of been paralyzed in that leg and unable to get in the trailer. She is on her way to UC Davis now as Jeremiah is in extreme pain and they feel he will do better if she is there. UC Davis is going to make incisions on his neck to let the air in, hoping the air will kill some of the bacteria. They have a very close relationship; Jeremiah is out of a pregnant mare we bought years ago. We gave Jeremiah to Laura as she wanted a colt (she was raised around them) and we didn't! She trained him herself and she can get him to stop, turn and is starting spins while she rides him bareback, without a bridle using her arms and seat. He has kept her sane these past couple years while she raises her three daughters. Vibes are appreciated. And watch out for banamine muscle injections! Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Icetolt
>> You'd think someone who claims to be a vet wow...i think the person stated "in the vet world". the vet that you may be referring to is not stupid, IMHO..she is a very bright woman. Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Finding the Sweet Spot
Hi Kat, >>>How can we use this idea to help our horses "find" and stay in the desired gait? Can we put ourselves in what becomes the sweet spot for what we want? You can definitely help your horse with the use of concepts like neutral pelvis but you can't 'stay' in one place or you become really stiff and then the horse becomes stiff. It is about constantly - refinding neutral as the motion of the horse is like centrifugal force that will tend to move us out of it. Peggy Cummings says 'find it, feel it, let it go' so you stop trying so hard. She might have some description of neutral pelvis on her website - www.connectedriding.com Robyn
Re: [IceHorses] Mic's yearling.
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:25:33 -0700, you wrote: >Was he gelded? No, he wasn't - he had two testicles until he was 4 months old when they nipped back up and haven't been seen since. It does sound like grass sickness, everything fits, except for one thing - the vet did an internal exam last night, and said that in grass sickness they are always dry inside, while he wasn't. Still waiting for the PM results. Thanks to all of you for all your kind wishes. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
RE: [IceHorses] Mic's yearling.
Oh Mic I am so sorry, it is so difficult with that kind of sickness that you are not really sure what is wrong. We had a gelding, years ago, that had had strangles and never totally recovered. We were quite sure he had a kind of bastard strangles and he would go up and down in how he would eat. We tried all kinds of drugs, homeopathy supplements etc and after about a year he finally succumbed. In his case it was his liver that was really affected. Was he gelded? Robyn
Re: [IceHorses] MIc's yearling
> > I meant the grass sickness Laree, what did it say? Is it something we > have here? > Janice Yes, that's what I was talking about. Hopefully this will come through - I copied it into the email - It's from "Equine World UK" web site Articles: Grass Sickness Grass sickness is a disease that affects all type of horses, ponies and donkeys. The disease was first recognised in 1907 in Dundee, Scotland and now occurs in all parts of Great Britain. The disease is found in Europe and has recently been reported in Ireland and North America. A very similar disease also occurs in Chile, Argentina (where it is called mal seco or dry sickness) and the Falklands. In the UK, the disease is more prevalent in eastern counties and the incidence rate in certain regions is as high as 1 in 200 horses. The disease can affect any equine breed that has access to grass. Statistical studies show no prevalence for breed or sex although younger horses (2-7 year olds) are more susceptible. The disease has not been reported in suckling foals and it may be that older horses have built up immunity to the causative agent. Grass sickness is associated with cool dry weather and more cases are seen between April-July with a peak in May. A significant number of cases have a recent history of stress. These include recent change of owner and subsequent move of pasture, introduction into a new herd or other factors such as breaking and castration. Despite a large amount of research over the last century the cause of the disease has not been identified. The type of damage caused to the nervous system indicates that some sort of toxin is involved and poisonous plants, chemicals, different bacterial species and viruses are amongst the possible causes that have been investigated. Grass sickness is not contagious and the cause of the disease is likely to be multifactorial i.e. caused by a combination of conditions and/or agents. Current research includes investigation of the association of the bacterium Clostridium botulinum with the disease and into the cyanide-producing properties of white clover. There are three main forms of grass sickness: acute, subacute and chronic. The acute and subacute forms are invariably fatal but encouraging progress has been made in managing selected chronic cases of the disease. Symptoms of the acute phase can include muscle tremors, salivation and dysphagia (difficulty in swallowing). Euthanasia/death occurs within 48 hours. In the subacute form, symptoms are less severe than the acute although the majority will die or require euthanasia within 7 days. As the disease progresses symptoms can also include colic, reduced gut motility, colonic impaction and weight loss. A typical sign of a chronic case is severe weight loss with the horse appearing very 'tucked up'. It can be very difficult for a veterinary surgeon to distinguish the early stages of grass sickness from other conditions that cause similar symptoms. There is no definitive diagnostic test in the live horse, although urine analysis and one involving phenylephrine eye drops (both developed at Edinburgh University) may prove useful. Definitive diagnosis is only obtained postmortem by examination of the nerve ganglia. The Equine Grass Sickness Fund (EGSF), which was established in 1988, is a registered charity that helps to fund and co-ordinate scientific research into the cause, treatment and diagnosis of this distressing disease. The EGSF has funded many projects in addition to two PhD students based at Edinburgh University. Articles about current and past research as well as information, advice and merchandise can be found on the charity's informative website. Until recently the mortality rate for chronic cases was approaching 100%. The experience gained at Edinburgh University Veterinary School has increased the survival rate for selected chronic cases to approximately 70% and their care regimes have been successfully used by clinicians elsewhere. The mainstay of the treatment is good nursing care i.e. constant human contact and the feeding of palatable, easily chewed, high-energy food. The veterinary school has a dedicated grass sickness nurse, funded by the ILPH, and the long-term care of chronic cases is subsidised by funding provided by the Equine Grass Sickness Fund. As mentioned earlier, the possible association between Clostridium botulinum type C/D and grass sickness is currently under investigation at Edinburgh University. The organism and its toxins are extremely difficult to detect and studies have been focused in two ways: detection of toxin and of the bacterium and detection of specific antibodies. Results are highly indicative of the involvement of this organism in the cause of the disease. This is encouraging as it raises the possibility of development of a vaccine in the future. However, much more research is required and is expensive! If you would like to find out more, become involved or need cards and gifts please visit th
[IceHorses] Re: Horse vacuums [IH#8364}
> >an article i wrote about clipping and vacuuming to clean the horse > > for clipping was published in the Icelandic horse quarterly last fall, > > and i would be happy to send you a copy if you would like. > > yours, barbara I would like a copy too. Is the dirt devil a special equine vaccum cleaner? I have a dirt devil which is a little hand held vacuum which I use for little messes. It's red with a bag on it. I would be very anxious about getting mane or tail tangled in it. I would have do desensitise first with the clicker. Interesting. Sue Coombes
Re: [IceHorses] Icetolt
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:40:21 -0500, you wrote: >feeding the foal because she gave birth and her uterus came out with >the baby. That's relatively common in sheep, and fairly common in cattle. I would have thought the vet could have fixed it... ?? Horrid to see, though. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Icetolt
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:33:32 -0700, you wrote: >Or do they step gingerly, picking their way for the most part? They are happy to run around if they are wearing ice nails, apparently. I've not seen it - never been to an icetolt - but a friend who went to one in Holland said the horses were allowed loose on to the ice before it all started and they seemed to love it as they felt secure on it. I'm going to the first UK icetolt next weekend - judging. I'll let you know how it goes and then make up my mind one way or the other, never having been much good at taking anything on faith! ; ) Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Mic's yearling.
--- Mic Rushen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > He died this morning at 6am. Vet is not sure what from Oh, Mic, our prayers are with you and your beautiful herd. Skye tropicaltreks.com 808-443-6085
Re: [IceHorses] Trinity
Thank you! He's a Spotted Saddle Horse - non registered. I always say that "pretty is as pretty does" and that is particularly true with me and horses. I had 20 minutes to decide on him and as I was debating he came over and laid his head on my shoulder. Beat all I ever saw! He definitely picked me. He's taught me a lot, and we have a long journey ahead even if it doesn't include riding. He'd be an awesome therapeutic riding horse, but no program is interested even if I trailer him in for the lessons.
Re: [IceHorses] Flooded Icey's
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:49 AM, julie sandoval <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have plenty of room here to "foster" some of these horses if needed. > Maybe we could organize a relief effort. Let me know if I could be of > any help. I am in So. Cal. Thanks~jules I guess the trick would be how to pay to have them hauled! If you look at the US and start way up north and follow the mississippi river and ohio all the way down to New Orleans, those are where the floods are. Arkansaw is real bad, Mississippi, and ohio... they just opened some flood gates to prevent flooding in New Orleans...I drive across the Choctawhatchee river every day and a house there is about fifty feet above the water all the time and now the water is about ten feet below the porch so if that river is high the others must be pretty bad... can anybody call him?? Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] MIc's yearling
> I had no problem getting it to open - just clicked on it. Why I can > and you can't - I have no idea. I know there are links that people > send and I can't open them while others can - makes no sense to me but > we all know I'm not a computer guru - just barely a user. > Laree in NC I meant the grass sickness Laree, what did it say? Is it something we have here? Janice
[IceHorses] Re: What Gait / Rusty
> > http://youtube.com/watch?v=_yoTfQJuAjA > Fox trot stepping pace trot Sue coombes
[IceHorses] Flooded Icey's
I have plenty of room here to "foster" some of these horses if needed. Maybe we could organize a relief effort. Let me know if I could be of any help. I am in So. Cal. Thanks~jules Julie Sandoval Acton,CA www.EasyToSpot.com http://easytospot.blogs.com/easy_to_spot/
Re: [IceHorses] MIc's yearling
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i cant get the site to open Laree, is it something we can get here? I had no problem getting it to open - just clicked on it. Why I can and you can't - I have no idea. I know there are links that people send and I can't open them while others can - makes no sense to me but we all know I'm not a computer guru - just barely a user. -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] pure love
What kind of dog is Earl? Someone was giving away two seven month old puppies in the paper last night. They were pug, chihuaha and lahsa apso mix. I thought that was quite an interesting mix of breeds. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Brunka gait- still shots from video
hmm, i still say foxtrot but now and then almost a saddlerack? how can that be,,, Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Trinity
> Yes, he's barefoot with a roll in the front to help the breakover. What breed is Trinity? Very pretty. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] MIc's yearling
i cant get the site to open Laree, is it something we can get here? Janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Icetolt
I know someone who just had to have a mare put down and is bottle feeding the foal because she gave birth and her uterus came out with the baby. no one was around, then she was all torn and when she went to the bathroom it came out the wrong place. I was shocked to hear about it! she was a very well bred expensive quarter horse. she suffered a lot because she didnt die! janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Horse vacuums [IH#8364}
>an article i wrote about clipping and vacuuming to clean the horse > for clipping was published in the Icelandic horse quarterly last fall, > and i would be happy to send you a copy if you would like. > yours, barbara I have it, Barbara, and it's a good article. There are others, though, that might benefit from it. -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] Finding a New Partner
i was thinking the way the flood watch is looking he may need them rescued right away. I am not sure where all is flooding but I will check the NOAA website. I know the Ohio and Mississippi rivers are way above flood stage and some places it hasnt crested yet but will in the next few days then more rain on the way. Natchez is under water. I think they just said it is cresting now in ohio at major flood stage. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] welcome to my world
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Good grief Janice. You live in a park - a resort - heaven. > > I have a new little camera ordered, one to carry when I ride. I'll get you > guys some Oregon wildflower pictures - nothing like Janice's however. i cant wait nancy! Maybe someday we can do one of those things where you come here for a vacation and I come there. I think oregon is one of the most beautiful places on earth! Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
RE: [IceHorses] Icetolt
Hi Karen, >>>And, as Judy questioned, how often do Icelandics really RUN on ice when left to their own devices? Unless their lives are in danger? Or do they step gingerly, picking their way for the most part? That would be more like it. I think the telling statement in what the 'vet' said was "diagnosed" - not being diagnosed with a problem doesn't mean it can't exist and we know spavin exists. >>> Hey, but what do you expect from me - I'm proud to say that I check in on my pregnant mares several times a day when they are due, and we'll even pull a foal if there is any doubt about the mare's or foal's survival during delivery... Would agree with you on that one with one note of caution... I have definitely pulled foals during delivery but We lost two foals last year, one foal had a leg back, really back and the others pelvis were caught on the mares pelvis and could not get out. The vet felt that had we tried to pull the foals the mares would most likely died as well because of the circumstances so it, like everything, it is not black and white. Robyn
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Classical Training in Iceland and Natural Gaits
> > In the immortal words of Janice: "Vee haf vays of making you toelt..." > ; ) > i stole that from karen who stole it from pat parelli :) As for "signature" gait. I have mixed feelings about that. I have never seen any of my horses go around at liberty doing their signature gait under saddle. never. none of them. And what they do under saddle, they do naturally, in saddles that fit them, on a loose rein, barefoot. so is it just rider weight that alters it? Is it that we keep them at a consistent forward motion? My stonewall wont do anything but trot in the field and saddlerack when I ride him, and he did a stepping pace when my husband rode him was it the saddle? The extra weight? The way he sits? My fox will saddlerack head high if nervous, and when he relaxes his head comes down, he begins to nod and running walk. nasi does this weird little skippy fox trot everywhere and canter. he loves to canter everywhere he goes. Traveller foxtrots under saddle and in the field does some kinda shuffling low to the ground smooth thing thats really pretty, have no idea what it is. tivar canters and gallops and saunters in the field, trots and flatwalks under saddle. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
[IceHorses] Re: Horse vacuums [IH#8364}
i would suggest that vacuums with a rotating beater brush are super good to get out that sand/stone-dust that accumulates at the base of the hair and very fast can dull even a brand new blade. [it did not appear that the model you asked about had this feature.] i personally love the "dirt devil" (mine is over 15 years old -- and in regular use on our horses -- but current models are about $25 at home depot). having the beater brush rotating upward against the fur really gets out all that deep sand/stone-dust, and thus your clipper blades last very long between sharpenings. this way, i generally full-body clip about 10 horses or trace clip about 20 horses before needing to change/sharpen the blades. and of course you need a strong enough clipper -- the standard A5 just doesn't cut it. an article i wrote about clipping and vacuuming to clean the horse for clipping was published in the Icelandic horse quarterly last fall, and i would be happy to send you a copy if you would like. yours, barbara
Re: [IceHorses] welcome to my world
Good grief Janice. You live in a park - a resort - heaven. I have a new little camera ordered, one to carry when I ride. I'll get you guys some Oregon wildflower pictures - nothing like Janice's however. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] A couple of pics from this week
Love those photos!! Thank you
[IceHorses] Re: Finding the Sweet Spot
> > not something you 'stay' in but rather are always finding it and re > finding > because of the motion of the horse. > > Robyn If We were doing a turn would I be finding it on my inside seat bone? It seams logical to me that would be the new requested centre of gravity. If I want Corrie to turn I use my inside seat bone slightly forward and she hasn't complained. My riding instructress says to use weight in the outside seat bone. I am confused. > > How can we use this idea to help our horses "find" and stay in the > desired gait? Can we put ourselves in what becomes the sweet spot > for what we want? > > Kat Yes, it has occurred to me that if a horse is moving it's legs and limb girdles the sweet spot is moving in a particular pattern for each gait. It sounds like a kind of dancing partership. Maybe in time it's a matter of learning the dance movement that harmonises with that gait. Will the horse stay long enough in gait for me to learn it? I suspect it will be a long process of 'found it' and 'oops, lost it' learning. It would be good to get an equisimilator that doesn't go out of gait wnen I 'lose it'. But then where would be the fun. Sue Coombes
RE: [IceHorses] Big Ball-now navicular
>Yes, he's barefoot with a roll in the front to help the breakover. The >farrier said he would trim him for his comfort. We talked about the Pete >Ramey trim and he said it was what he was dong. >I tried the wedge egg-bar (?) shoes a couple of years ago and it didn't >make any difference. He did not have shoes on before that either. >You only know there's a problem if you are trail riding and hit gravel or >hard surfaces Shoes never cure navicular. When you change to a different >shoe or put a wedge of pad in it masks the pain for awhile and then with >poor hoof mechanism the problem progresses and eventually more damage is >done. A lot of movement helps. Hopefully, his heels are not too long and back where they're supposed to be and the toes are fairly short and he is walking with a heel first landing. Some horses that have a proper trim and still have yucky looking frogs and grungy stuff in the collateral groove on the side of the frog have had wonderful success with a few White Lightening soaks. It kills the bacteria and/or fungus in there and then allows the barefoot trim to do its job. Many horses are fine on pasture but ouchy on harder ground, because they're hooves adapt to the environment in which they live. Many of use who keep our horses barefoot, make sure to have an area of pea gravel or make some harder trails in their pastures that they walk over daily. It preps their feet for similar surface riding. If you don’t want to do that, what's wrong with wearing boots for the ride? Does he go sound with boots on? Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Classical Training in Iceland and Natural Gaits
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:38:58 -0700, you wrote: >why >would they be using a form of riding and training that does not allow for >natural gait? In the immortal words of Janice: "Vee haf vays of making you toelt..." ; ) It's what Icelandic horses do, therefore anything else MUST be wrong by default! Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Big Ball
Blondie looks great, as always. I still want to get her together with our Sophie, they are twin daughters from different mothers. AND I'd love to see what Dancer would do with one of those really big balls -- but not enough to actually pay for one with no longer than it would last around here. Kat
Re: [IceHorses] Finding a New Partner
> how far are you from that place Renee was talking about? Lanny > Carroll or somebody? Said his horses were standing in three feet of > water and he needed to get them out of there and was letting them go > really cheaply He should probably place them at no cost to get them quickly and properly taken care of. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Finding the Sweet Spot for Gait
> not something you 'stay' in but rather are always finding it and re > finding because of the motion of the horse. > How can we use this idea to help our horses "find" and stay in the > desired gait? Can we put ourselves in what becomes the sweet spot > for what we want? Oh, Kat, this is a good one!! Yes! This should be a good, productive discussion. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Classical Training in Iceland and Natural Gaits
>> Spanish Walk: Its a gait that a horse Never does on its own This is a good topic (what gaits a horse does on it's own), but should be under it's own subject heading. We've had quite a few videos of "what gait", of Icelandic Horses either at liberty, or ridden where the horse chooses his gait (without forced frame or heavy contact), and not many at all choose tolt! We see a lot of fox trot, stepping pace, some running walk. What's up with that? Who chose tolt for the breed? And what should we do about it? As to the subject title, Classical Training in Iceland... let's think about this: does classical training "allow" for natural gait? If yes, why aren't we seeing natural gait out of Europe and Iceland. And if not, why not? why would they be using a form of riding and training that does not allow for natural gait? Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Shedding but still shaggy
> him--anyways, lately he's been standing very still > for me and I think > that the grooming maybe feels good while he's > shedding. What a good boy. I think they feel good when we do that. Last time I shaved Scooter I was so sore in the shoulders. it is quite a job. I am waiting for dagur to do it naturally. He is Lorraine Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[IceHorses] First Sound Horse Conference
First Sound Horse Conference Exceeds Attendees' Expectations April 16, 2008 Friends of Sound Horses (FOSH) is pleased to announce that the first Sound Horse Conference successfully exceeded attendees' expectations. The conference was well attended and well received by veterinarians, United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) personnel, animal humane groups, horse industry organizations (HIOs) and interested individuals. This first event was held April 11 & 12 at Ohio State University School of Veterinary Medicine and sponsored by the American Association of Equine Practitioners, FOSH, the Humane Society of the United States, the American Horse Protection Association, the Tennessee Walking Horse Breeders and Exhibitors Association and Ohio State University. An impressive panel of veterinarians and technology experts reviewed leading-edge techniques and tools including thermography, digital radiography, pain detection, molecular-level tissue testing and drug testing that, if properly applied, would virtually end soring. Panelists made specific recommendations as to the use of these new technologies to perfect the detection of soring violations. Highly regarded organizations represented outside of the Walking Horse community included the American Quarter Horse Association (AQHA) and the United States Equestrian Federation. Both organizations provided information about identifying problems, addressing them, and finding and investing in technology to detect issues and the implementation of serious deterrents. Authorities in the area of affecting cultural change including the Ohio representative of Mothers Against Drunk Driving, and a leading expert in rural crime, presented ideas about how to make the cruel practice of soring culturally unacceptable. Tom Seay, creator and popular star of the RFD-TV show "America by Horseback," made a special appearance with an inspiring message, along with innovative how-to ideas, to support the sound horse initiative. Hit song writer Mary Ann Kennedy sent her new song, "Tennessee" to the Conference for its first world presentation. The song commemorates the importance of letting Tennessee Walking Horses live free of the cruelties that so often plague the breed. Attendees heard sobering facts that illustrate the prevalence of soring that included the following statistics: 826 Horse Protection Act (HPA) suspensions were issued in 2007. 970 individuals have repeat HPA violations, some with as many as 18 and 20 violations. Violators have long been, and continue to be honored by the Walking Horse industry. There were 15 inductees into the 2008 Tennessee Walking Horse National Celebration Hall of Fame that shared 13 violations, with one individual having six violations. Among the 115 members of the TWHBEA Board of Directors, there are 43 violations. Of the 54 Trainer's Cup honorees in 2007 there were 204 violations, while in 2006 the 65 top trainers shared 256 violations. The USDA presented photographic evidence of the pasterns of scarred and sored horses from the 2007 show season. After the panel discussions, all attendees participated in a brainstorming session to generate ideas to end soring. The majority of the ideas generated focused on voluntary steps that the industry should take to end soring, without relying on government enforcement and intervention, which would set the stage for a more positive public image for this great breed. The date and location for the 2009 Conference has yet to be determined; however, plans for the next Conference were enthusiastically received. More information on the Sound Horse Conference will soon be available at www.soundhorseconference.com FOSH is a national leader in the promotion of natural, sound gaited horses and in the fight against abuse and soring of Tennessee Walking Horses. For more information about FOSH, or to become a member, please visit www.fosh.info or call 800-651-7993. Contact Person: Teresa Bippen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Matter-of-Factness and What-If-ness
On Apr 14, 2008, at 1:44 PM, Judy Ryder wrote: Written by Val: There is a wonderful article in this month's Eclectic Horseman by Tom Moate on the mind set of Matter-of-Factness v. What-If-ness. Well said Val. I have been reading Tom's articles in the EH for the past year and really should just break down and buy the book. Better yet, go spend a month in Arizona with the master (well I can dream!). After going thru a period of "holding on tight and praying" when my horse spooked, even a little hop, thinking about all the things that might have, could have, might yet happen. And, of course, because of my "what-if-ness" some times those things did happen. My confidence has built over the past couple years and now I just giggle at those little hops, which have become very rare and never go on to full out spooks. Shoot, it's hardly fair that now that I know it's OK it doesn't happen! Kat
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Finding the Sweet Spot
not something you 'stay' in but rather are always finding it and re finding because of the motion of the horse. Robyn How can we use this idea to help our horses "find" and stay in the desired gait? Can we put ourselves in what becomes the sweet spot for what we want? Kat
Re: [IceHorses] A couple of pics from this week
> > > We really love the horses that we have here..we feel > very fortunate. Yes you are. How very beautiful. Lorraine Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
[IceHorses] Re: saddle pad problem
>pad design changed for the Skito Sensation< I specially designed a Skito Pad for the Sensation that I order for all my customers. It has an anotomical topline contour over the entire length of the pad as well as velcro closure in the rear so there is no chance of "pad pull"/pad pressure over the whithers or mane. I have sold about 200 of this design over the past 4 years with no complaints so far from anyone in any breed. Kaaren
Re: [IceHorses] Mic's yearling.
> He died this morning at 6am. Vet is not sure what from Mic, I'm so sorry. You have had a rough patch and i wish we were all there to give you a big hug. My thoughts are with you. -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] Finding a New Partner
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > how far are you from that place Renee was talking about? Lanny > Carroll or somebody Here are 2 links to Lanny's farm website - he is in OH. I spoke with him many years ago when I was interested in learning more about Icelandics and he was very nice and spent a lot of time on the phone with me. I don't know anything about his horses, though. www.northstar-farm.com/ darchangel-farm.com/pages/Northstar%20page.html Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] Icetolt
>i didnt mention any names Mic! But it was pretty obvious! ; ) >it. but thats just me... and usually gets me in trouble! > Me too. Maybe we should both have "Permanent Foot In Mouth" tshirts... Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] MIc's yearling
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 3:40 AM, Mic Rushen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:48:33 -0700, you wrote: > > >Definitely thinking of you and the youngster. What is grass sickness? > > http://www.equine-world.co.uk/article_read.asp?id=69&title=Grass%20Sickness How scary! -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] Mic's yearling.
> He died this morning at 6am. Vet is not sure what > from > I'm so sorry for your loss. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: [IceHorses] Re:Horse vacuums
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Kaaren Jordan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Does anyone use the Metro-Vac< > > I've been happily using this brand for about 4 years with very happy ponies. Thanks, Kaaren. Do you know if you have this horse power or the stronger one? -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] Finding a New Partner
I called him twice but didn't receive an answer. I suppose he's got a lot on his hands right now.
Re: [IceHorses] cheap icelandics
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 9:31 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just returned from Equine Affaire late last pm. If any of you know Lanny > Carroll he is desperately trying to sell his young stock. Lanny is in a bad > situation right now. His farm in Ohio is flooded. He told me that 30-40 > acres is standing under 3 feet of water. He has no place to put all the > horses. > All the babies are very reasonably priced for quick sale. Some of the > yearling geldings were $900 and the fillies $1500. He told me he just has to > move them. > > Renee I see on the news that flooding is worsening! Does someone need to help him get the horses out of there?? Flood water carries mounds of fire ants, wads of moccasins and rattlesnakes. all manner of virus and disease from failed septic and sewer systems! In three feet of water all manner of public health is threatened. I hope someone can call and make sure the horses and people are ok! Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
