Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann / Yvonne
> > Is this the person that the USIHC is bringing in to teach Americans how to > ride Icelandics?> yes. janice -- courage is being scared to death...and saddling up anyway--John Wayne
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann / Yvonne
> If you don't know Walter Feldmann who is one of the biggest people in > Icelandic Horse riding, >> Yes. we have a tradition to ride these horses. You don't. > > Yvonne, do you see any problems with Feldmann, how he trains, rides, or > instructs people on how to ride Icelandics? > > In the videos, did you see any problems with the horses or riders? Is this the person that the USIHC is bringing in to teach Americans how to ride Icelandics? Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann / Yvonne
If you don't know Walter Feldmann who is one of the biggest people in Icelandic Horse riding, > Yes. we have a tradition to ride these horses. You don't. Yvonne, do you see any problems with Feldmann, how he trains, rides, or instructs people on how to ride Icelandics? In the videos, did you see any problems with the horses or riders? Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann / Gaited Horses
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:30:42 -0500, you wrote: >Horses originated in North American but became extinct here long before >Columbus came to our shores. I don't believe any remained in S.A. either. >If you meant that they went from Europe via S.A. to North America, I've >never heard anything to that effect, although a few might have come that >route. Just curious...why would you think that? I know that horses became extinct in NA - I would have thought it likely that horses taken from Spain to SA by the Conquistadores were the original horses in NA, as used by the Native Americans. And, presumably, some of them were gaited. It would be interesting to see if any of the older Spanish breeds have any trace of gaitedness remaining in them. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann / Gaited Horses
> I wonder if gaited horses were brought from South America rather than > being brought from Europe? More likely that the horses came from Europe (Spain). The extinct Narraganset Pacer of New England is believed to have been developed from imported horses from Andalucia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narragansett_Pacer). Spaniards colonized what is now Florida and reprtedly brought gaited horses in from the main colonial centers in Cuba and Hispanola in the Carribbean. The gaited horses of the Southwest (ancestors of the various Spanish Mustang herds), as well as the Spanish horses of Peru almost certainly started in the colonial stud farms established in Cuba and Hispanola from imported Spanish horses bred there to support the needs of explorers and conquistators. Lynn Kinsky, Santa Ynez, CA http://www.silcom.com/~lkinsky/ http://www.dslextreme.com/~napha/JoyOfRiding/index.htm
RE: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann / Gaited Horses
>>> I wonder if gaited horses were brought from South America rather than being brought from Europe? Horses originated in North American but became extinct here long before Columbus came to our shores. I don't believe any remained in S.A. either. If you meant that they went from Europe via S.A. to North America, I've never heard anything to that effect, although a few might have come that route. Just curious...why would you think that? Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.8/1236 - Release Date: 1/21/2008 8:23 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
Laree Shulman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> kirjoitti: > > I wonder how much the turn towards classical > > dressage had to do with it. > > > It is my understanding, and I'm not sure where I read this, that > gaited horses went out of style with aristocracy and there followed > the rest of the European world. I'm certainly not a great historian > so that could be totally wrong I have several times heard it linked to better roads which meant less riding and more carriages that were pulled by horses. So the soft gaits were less needed (and wanted). Krisse
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann / Gaited Horses
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:48:44 -0500, you wrote: >I always assumed that a hodgepodge of whatever horses were in Europe at >the time made their way to the USA, and that gaited horses remained the >horses of choice for the reasons you stated - comfortable to ride all day. I wonder if gaited horses were brought from South America rather than being brought from Europe? Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:28:30 -0800 (PST), you wrote: >That is interesting. > >I wonder how much the turn towards classical >dressage had to do with it. Or the improved roads and amount of horse-borne warfare? Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
On Jan 21, 2008 2:37 PM, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Not longer than Iceland's of course - early 10th century > > > > just an interesting aside, a factoid Wow! That write-up was both very interesting as well as very confusing! V
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
It is my understanding, and I'm not sure where I read this, that gaited horses went out of style with aristocracy and there followed the rest of the European world. I'm certainly not a great historian so that could be totally wrong Well, Laree, you can I may not be historians, but Lee Ziegler was, at least related to gaits. I found some of the things I remembered on the first two pages of her book, Easy-Gaited Horses. Here's one quote: "During the Middle Ages, when European roads were virtually impassable, easy-gaited horses were the prized possessions of the wealthy and were frequently mentioned in their last wills and testaments at ten times the worth of non-gaited horses." She goes on to say: "As the Americans were colonized, easy-gaited horses found a new role providing comfortable transportation through the wilderness of the developing colonies. Although they gradually disappeared from Europe during the 1600's, replaced by trotting carriage horses, carthorses and racehorses, easy-gaited horses were still appreciated in remote areas of Asia and Africa, as well as in the rural areas of the Americas. Whenever and wherever humans relied on riding horses rather than driving horses for transportation, the easy-gaited horse was present and valued." In other words, gaited horses survived in Iceland, the southeastern parts of the USA, Peru, Puerto Rico and in certain parts of Africa and Asia for the same reason - because they are ideal riding horses. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann / Gaited Horses
which is interesting because when immigrants came to america the working class british went to the industrialist north to find work Well, except that you have to consider when the immigration occurred. When the Europeans first started immigrating to what became the USA, there was no industrialization, anywhere in North America. I always assumed that a hodgepodge of whatever horses were in Europe at the time made their way to the USA, and that gaited horses remained the horses of choice for the reasons you stated - comfortable to ride all day. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
It is my understanding, and I'm not sure where I read this, that gaited horses went out of style with aristocracy and there followed the rest of the European world. I'm certainly not a great historian so that could be totally wrong I've heard a variation of that too, Laree, only adding that it coincided with the advent of the carriage as an elite means of transportation. Once carriages became common, the elite could more focused on what looked "pretty" in front of a carriage, as opposed to what was comfortable to ride. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann / Gaited Horses
> > I wonder how much the turn towards classical > > dressage had to do with it. > > > It is my understanding, and I'm not sure where I read this, that > gaited horses went out of style with aristocracy and there followed > the rest of the European world. I'm certainly not a great historian > so that could be totally wrong which is interesting because when immigrants came to america the working class british went to the industrialist north to find work and settled there while the aristocracy went south to buy large plantations and they are the ones who went for gaited horses, horses with high action to step over the rows of cotton and ride 20-30 miles a day at an easy gait and to pull the family wagon on sunday. janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
> I wonder how much the turn towards classical > dressage had to do with it. It is my understanding, and I'm not sure where I read this, that gaited horses went out of style with aristocracy and there followed the rest of the European world. I'm certainly not a great historian so that could be totally wrong -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
> >The Spaniards were breeding gaited (and spotted) > > http://www.spanishjennet.org/history.shtml ...It's funny really, how we lost the gaited horses in > Europe, yet they thrived in the less developed countries like South America, Iceland, Africa etc. That is interesting. I wonder how much the turn towards classical dressage had to do with it. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
or maybe our american men have more durable testicles. Hehehehe! Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:52:04 -0800, you wrote: >The Spaniards were breeding gaited (and spotted) riding horses by that >time: for example, the Jennet >(http://www.spanishjennet.org/history.shtml), which figures heavily in >the ancestry of the the Paso Finos, Peruvians, Florida Cracker, and >Spanish mustangs. Good point, Lynn. It's funny really, how we lost the gaited horses in Europe, yet they thrived in the less developed countries like South America, Iceland, Africa etc. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
On Jan 21, 2008, at 10:37 AM, Janice McDonald wrote: >> Not longer than Iceland's of course - early 10th century > > The Spaniards were breeding gaited (and spotted) riding horses by that time: for example, the Jennet (http://www.spanishjennet.org/history.shtml), which figures heavily in the ancestry of the the Paso Finos, Peruvians, Florida Cracker, and Spanish mustangs. Lynn Kinsky, Santa Ynez, CA http://www.silcom.com/~lkinsky/ http://www.dslextreme.com/~napha/JoyOfRiding/index.htm
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
> Not the speed, but the timing of the legs. Looks like the horse adjusted it's movement for a stride or two to rebalance under a the rider. Cheryl Icelandic Sheepdogs & Icelandic Horses www.sandcreekicelandics.com
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
> It appeared to me the horse took a quicker step or > two (to rebalance under a > moving rider) and then settled back into the > previous gait/speed. Not the speed, but the timing of the legs. Judy
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
>> In the video, at about 5:35 marker in time, you can see the rider lift up off the saddle and sit on the cantle to get the gait: My guess is it's just as likely he lifted up to free up a squashed testicle. Wow, do squashed testicles somehow get more relief when the rider sits on the cantle as opposed to the low part of the saddle...? Then how do you explain that we just as often see female competition riders scoot to the back of the saddle? I'm not buying it, Cheryl. Besides, you know as well as I do that the tradition for the very flat Icelandic seats is so that rider can scoot his/her butt back to cue for gait. Many of us who've been in the breed for more than a couple of years have been told we can't possibly ride an Icelandic in a dressage saddle, or a western saddle... Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
> > In the video, at about 5:35 marker in time, you can see the > > rider lift up off the saddle and sit on the cantle to get the gait: > > Looks to me like the horse was already gaiting. > > My guess is it's just as likely he lifted up to free up a squashed testicle. well maybe he oughta just ride holding them both in his hands like a lot of icelandic guys do.-- Look at that video I uploaded to YouTube of a 16 year old boy at the field trials riding down the road bareback from the washrack. he is a way better rider. So why do we need someone from europe to come show us how to ride and train a gaited horse?? or maybe our american men have more durable testicles. janice yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
> Did you see the difference in timing of the legs, > before and after the switch to the cantle seat? It appeared to me the horse took a quicker step or two (to rebalance under a moving rider) and then settled back into the previous gait/speed. Cheryl Icelandic Sheepdogs & Icelandic Horses www.sandcreekicelandics.com
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
> > In the video, at about 5:35 marker in time, you > can see the > > rider lift up off the saddle and sit on the cantle > to get the gait: > > Looks to me like the horse was already gaiting. Did you see the difference in timing of the legs, before and after the switch to the cantle seat? Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
> In the video, at about 5:35 marker in time, you can see the > rider lift up off the saddle and sit on the cantle to get the gait: Looks to me like the horse was already gaiting. My guess is it's just as likely he lifted up to free up a squashed testicle. Cheryl Icelandic Sheepdogs & Icelandic Horses www.sandcreekicelandics.com
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
> Not longer than Iceland's of course - early 10th century just an interesting aside, a factoid--- my stonewall is registered SSHBEA (Spotted Saddlehorse Breeders and Exhibitors Assoc). Fo a while they opened the books to allow any gaited horse that was spotted to be registered, but they had to be observed gaiting by a commissioned member of the registry. They allow stepping pace and rack, running walk, speed rack, all those as allowable gaits in the show ring, which i think is nice. but anyway, in that registry just a few years ago there was brewing a big flap amongst purists of the breed who want to be disassociated in every way with the TWHBEA (walking horse assoc) because of soring, abuses etc. so they passed this rule that a horse can't be registered now unless both parents are registered and at least one of them is tobiano. I can't figure out the hidden secret meaning behind that but supposedly it goes back to sorta systematically breeding out the walking horse blood. Which I dont get because my stonewall has a tobiano sire so he would still qualify and he is one of those with tainted blood. (but he is overo?) but the POINT as my mom used to say--- the sshbea purists say the orginal sshbea horse was a spotted pony brought from europe and in its ancestry were spainsh gaited ponies and the ICELANDIC HORSE. so you can go to sshbea shows and the purists are all riding these little stocky spotted ponies doing a fancy little rack. the other weird thing is he is half mccurdy and therefore able to be registered "appendix" mccurdy but i was told not to bother, they wont register a spotted mccurdy. they want to keep the breed from spots i guess. So stonewall is registered walking, but racks so has an unacceptable gait for walking. people also say the twhbea show people are prejudiced against spots.He is registered sshbea which the purists snub him because he has tainted walker blood. he is registered racking which snubs him cause he is also registered walking and is spotted.He is half mccurdy but they wont admit it cause he is spotted. Ny nasi is registered icelandic blue dun but nobody wants to hear it cause his color is a degree darker than the norm and the only gait he shows in the field so far is foxtrot, a gait the icelandics say doesnt exist. My Tivar is registered icelandic but doesnt tolt and has a crabby attitude from people trying to force him to via pain. my jas is registered racking but paces, my fox is registered racking but walks, and racks so i guess its ok. especially since he is registered walking too i guess. Our Traveller is a pure mccurdy from old foundation mccurdy lines and he does every gait there is but the mccurdys say the mccurdys only do a gait called "the mccurdy lick" which is sorta like tolt, it depends on who you ask if you want to know what it is, and actually it is a tolt i think. it is a "single foot lick extremely smooth and gliding to ride". sound familiar? does all this sound a little nutty to you? it does to me... but how did all these gaited horses happen?? The mccurdy breed began in a way so politically incorrect no one will come right out and say it so I will... the negro slaves working on the mccurdy plantation sneaked and bred the smoothest and best temperament ones amongst themselves until they became the horse everyone around that part of alabama wanted and then the mccurdys claimed they had started the breed, not the slaves. Yet if you go on the mccurdy website and click on any years official mccurdy trail ride you will see more black people riding gaited horses with white people that you will see on any other trail ride anywhere in the south, and thats because that happens to be an area where their horsemanship and breeding skill is not only recognized but highly prized. off the record of course at the field trial last weekend there was a man there who had a mccurdy. we proudly pointed out OUR mccurdys and he sorta rose up all haughty and looked down his nose and said "but MY horse was bred and born ON the mccurdy plantation." Sound familiar? Sorta like but MY icelandic came from iceland Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
> >So, please, don't say that we don't have a > >history with gaited horses - ours is a longer contiguous history than > >Europe's! > > Not longer than Iceland's of course - early 10th century with one breed, a small number compared to here. And here we did not "breed" two of the same breed. We bred for smooth gait and temperament. how many horses are in iceland? There are 3000 horses accounted for in the county I live in, and only 130,000 people. I don't know how many of those are gaited, but quite frequently, possibly every weekend somewhere in alabama, florida or Georgia or maybe all three at once, there are rides with 200-300 gaited horses. There are field trials every weekend during the winter with 200-300 gaited horses, and we do not even have a huge gaited horse population in my area. Its mostly quarterhorses but any weekend I can go ride somewhere and count 25-50 gaited horses camping at the trail head. Florida has a huge hispanic population and culture and one thing hispanics know and enjoy is gaited horses if they like horses at all. Janice yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:49:11 -0800, you wrote: > I still >am amazed that the bit issue was resolved citing the no use of foreign >equipment rule, rather than citing the rider for not using the foreign >equipment properly. The only way that the matter could have been dealt with on a bad-riding basis would have been by the judges at the time of the competition. They chose to take no action (twats). Retrospectively, the only way to prevent anyone using the Peruvian bit (correctly or not) was to declare it forbidden as not being culturally acceptable. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
i hate to point out how new we are to gaited horses. How does it go ? In 16 hundred and forty two, columbus crossed the ocean blue. And he brought some gaited horses too. I added that last part but its true. someone stop me I cant stop rhyming for you. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
>> So, please, don't say that we don't have a >> history with gaited horses - ours is a longer contiguous history than >> Europe's! > > Not longer than Iceland's of course - early 10th century > ; ) But the first Feldman video was about a part Peruvian (ridden quite improperly by the Peruvian tradition, so that the gait was destroyed -- why bother making the cross?), and part of the Cavallo article (as presented here) had to do with an appalling misuse of a Peruvian bit. I have been raising Peruvians and riding and showing Peruvians since 1980 (probably before the first ones were imported to Europe). I still am amazed that the bit issue was resolved citing the no use of foreign equipment rule, rather than citing the rider for not using the foreign equipment properly. Lynn Kinsky, Santa Ynez, CA http://www.silcom.com/~lkinsky/ http://www.dslextreme.com/~napha/JoyOfRiding/index.htm
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
Not longer than Iceland's of course - early 10th century No, but the points I responded to were from the posts about Europe. And, if you go back that far, gaited horses were more common than trotting horses, EVERYWHERE in the world. In the 10th century, my ancestors were in Europe...where gaited horses were common too - then. :) Iceland didn't develop gaits. They simply didn't breed the gaits away, same as in the southeastern part of the USA, as well as in a few other parts of the world. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:54:49 -0500, you wrote: >So, please, don't say that we don't have a >history with gaited horses - ours is a longer contiguous history than >Europe's! Not longer than Iceland's of course - early 10th century ; ) Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
Yes. we have a tradition to ride these horses. You don't. OH, no, no, no! I don't want to hear that! Gaited horses came to the USA in the 1600's and 1700's (maybe earlier) and they never died out here in the southeast. My grandfather was born in 1875, and he preferred gaited horses. So, please, don't say that we don't have a history with gaited horses - ours is a longer contiguous history than Europe's! >>> Yes, there was a critical article about Icelandic horse riding in the Cavallo magazine. You couldn't even read it, but a picture was enopugh to judge Europeans again. How do you know we couldn't read it? We do have a few Germans on this list, and fwiw, I asked my brother (PhD in languages) to translate parts for me. And btw, I did take German in college...so don't assume that no Americans can read German! I don't pretend to be fluent, not by a long shot, but my brother has taught German classes. Karen Thomas, NC IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
Hello again. > > > > > Here, I think he is teaching a younger child to ride?: > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=UcaTx060ApY No, the child is presenting the horse and people are complaining exactly about that. They say kids that young should not present a stallion, since she needs all those hard things to ride him. > > On this video, there are a bunch of comments from viewers. I can't read the > whole thing, > but I see words like catastrophe, thick arms, totally rough, putting the > horse into a mental straight jacket, horse does not deserve such roughness, > hard hands... > Exactly, you can't understand them... IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
Hy, I did NOT want to comment ANY of those posts about walter Feldmann, but I honesrtly can't take this anymore! First you translation is not completly right. What he says is about the hosre its origins, how he trained it, about the potential and that this horse spent quite some time unworked on the pasture, haveing a "vacation", before this video was shot. If you don't know Walter Feldmann who is one of the biggest people in Icelandic Horse riding, shows a lot about what I suspected about a very long time. There are many people that like his style and many that don't like his style, but I guess that occurs in every style of riding, if it is Western, Dressage, Jumping... BUT, always this judjing about us Europeans and how we ride our Icelandics, I really can't hear it anymore. Yes. we have a tradition to ride these horses. You don't. Yes, there was a critical article about Icelandic horse riding in the Cavallo magazine. You couldn't even read it, but a picture was enopugh to judge Europeans again. That there was a huge cry out in the German Icelandic Horse scene, doesn't matter to you... A lot is happening and things change, but in the end, we ride the toelt, we ride the lying pace. By the way haven't seen anybody of you guys on a FEIF qualification. I can't partiucipate either, but at least I am not judging people that can and have horses with the material to do it. Reading here always made me wonder IF I actually want to bring my horses over here. Now, they are coming and I am seriousluy hoping to be able to find traditional Icelandic horse riders, because that horse and its gaits do NOT have to be reinvented. Just my two cents. Yvonne IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> kirjoitti: > >>>But what has made him more famous is that he has developed a new > breed, Aegidienberger, to try to create "an improved Icelandic". > > > > Wasn't it Walter Feldman Sr. who started the Adgidienberger breed? And > isn't this one his son...? It's usually credited to both of them, Sr. and Jr. (and yes this is the Jr.). Krisse
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On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 18:21:36 -0600, you wrote: >What's the phrase Mic had? GIT German Icelandic Traditional. Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
Here, I think he is teaching a younger child to ride?: http://youtube.com/watch?v=UcaTx060ApY On this video, there are a bunch of comments from viewers. I can't read the whole thing, but I see words like catastrophe, thick arms, totally rough, putting the horse into a mental straight jacket, horse does not deserve such roughness, hard hands... Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
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>>> I didn't watch the whole thing, all I had to look at was the underside of that horse's neck at the beginning and I knew exactly what to expect in riding. Typical. Yes, it was typical of the Feldman videos we've seen posted before: chair-seat riding, and at some points, the horse's nose is well above the horizontal - "stargazing." And, as in most of his videos, the horse doesn't seem happy with the bit/contact. Karen Thomas, NC
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On 20/01/2008, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's one where he rides: > http://youtube.com/watch?v=uPfo3aOodTg&feature=related I didn't watch the whole thing, all I had to look at was the underside of that horse's neck at the beginning and I knew exactly what to expect in riding. Typical. What's the phrase Mic had? Wanda
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>>> Well, Walter Feldmann is the man who speaks not the one who rides, so to judge his riding you have to look other videos/pictures Here's one where he rides: http://youtube.com/watch?v=uPfo3aOodTg&feature=related Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
>>>But what has made him more famous is that he has developed a new breed, Aegidienberger, to try to create "an improved Icelandic". Wasn't it Walter Feldman Sr. who started the Adgidienberger breed? And isn't this one his son...? Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
Niels West, the breeder of our two mares was working on the same thing. Although I thought it was encouraging that a man in his 90's would want to develop a new breed, he had wonderful Icelandics and I couldn't quite see the point. Our Tosca, 3/4 Icelandic, 1/4 Peruvian Paso, is the result of one of his crosses. She's quite a nice mare, good mind, good learner, nice mover, but at ths point I still prefer the purebred Yrsa. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
> Elva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> kirjoitti: > > Judy Ryder wrote: > > > In the video, at about 5:35 marker in time, you can see the rider lift up > > > off the saddle and sit on the cantle to get the gait: > > > > Oh yeah.who in the world *is* this Walter Feldmann? > > -- > > Elva And to answer the question, he's a German Icelandic horse breeder, trainer and rider, sports and breeding judge etc. But what has made him more famous is that he has developed a new breed, Aegidienberger, to try to create "an improved Icelandic". Krisse
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In a message dated 1/20/2008 1:24:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) I have no clue who he is and I do think the horse had weighted hoof protectors on him. I have owned a Paso and the termino is that wing but that is too much of a snap for it not to be weights. That is why he is short in the rear they even had them on him when he was not saddled. I feel bad for the horse. He appears eager to work and puts up with a lot with his mouth tied up like that and all that movement. I bet they want a fortune for him. Sylvia **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
Elva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> kirjoitti: > Judy Ryder wrote: > > In the video, at about 5:35 marker in time, you can see the rider lift up > > off the saddle and sit on the cantle to get the gait: > > Oh yeah.who in the world *is* this Walter Feldmann? He could benefit > from some lessons - well a lot of lessons - from my old, local trainer! > -- > Elva Well, Walter Feldmann is the man who speaks not the one who rides, so to judge his riding you have to look other videos/pictures :D Krisse
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
Judy Ryder wrote: > In the video, at about 5:35 marker in time, you can see the rider lift up > off the saddle and sit on the cantle to get the gait: Oh yeah.who in the world *is* this Walter Feldmann? He could benefit from some lessons - well a lot of lessons - from my old, local trainer! -- Elva
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> The "winging" is the remnant of the Peruvian termino and If they took > those boots off him and freed up his head he would be able to do the > swimming motion from his shoulder like he was bred to do. Instead he's > just wrapped up tight. Knowing his background makes the winging seem more understandable - thanks for the clarification -- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
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>>>tölting trotter and a paso, how well the horse did in tölt competitions >>>already last year and then over and over how much "gait potential" this >>>horse has and how great the parents are...<<< Thanks for the input! In the video, at about 5:35 marker in time, you can see the rider lift up off the saddle and sit on the cantle to get the gait: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZEXbSiZRm0U Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
On Jan 19, 2008, at 12:29 PM, Laree Shulman wrote: > On Jan 19, 2008 11:43 AM, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> How does this horse look: >> >> http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZEXbSiZRm0U > Just a few thoughts - > > The horse constantly was fussing with the bit - first thing I would do > is take off those draw reins and get that bit out of his mouth - just > basics to me The bit might not be so bad, but the draw reins definitely are -- especially if that's a Peruvian bit he's using. >> From the rear you could easily see the front legs winging - I think > from exxagerated front leg lift The "winging" is the remnant of the Peruvian termino and If they took those boots off him and freed up his head he would be able to do the swimming motion from his shoulder like he was bred to do. Instead he's just wrapped up tight. Lynn Kinsky, Santa Ynez, CA http://www.silcom.com/~lkinsky/
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> kirjoitti: > I couldn't understand any of the narative, so perhaps the narrator was > discussing how very far they'd come with a very difficult horse. That's one of his "for sale" videos so he was telling the horse is 8 yo, crossing between a tölting trotter and a paso, how well the horse did in tölt competitions already last year and then over and over how much "gait potential" this horse has and how great the parents are...
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
On 19/01/2008, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How does this horse look: > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZEXbSiZRm0U > > and how does this reflect the riding and training style of Walter Feldmann? To me, there looks to be a lot of mechanical stuff happening there. The draw reins and probably the bit are placing that horses head high enough that his back looks dropped and the hind end looks disconnected. The front lift looks exagerated so I'm wondering if some substantial weights aren't being used. Our Dagur would not benefit from a start like this.
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
On Jan 19, 2008 11:43 AM, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How does this horse look: > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZEXbSiZRm0U > Just a few thoughts - The horse constantly was fussing with the bit - first thing I would do is take off those draw reins and get that bit out of his mouth - just basics to me >From the rear you could easily see the front legs winging - I think from exxagerated front leg lift Because the front end wasn't free, the rear was very stiff and shortened This is a powerful horse with lots of energy that would be a long and low horse for a long time in my training program (if I had one :-))) I think he could be outstanding if given the right chance - as he is now, I wouldn't want him-- Laree in NC Doppa & Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the "S" gang) "Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them." - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] Walter Feldmann
I couldn't understand any of the narative, so perhaps the narrator was discussing how very far they'd come with a very difficult horse. Of all the trainer's horses go like this, then I'd guess he's pretty agressive in his training techniques. I thought the rider had a lovely seat and somewhat unforgiving hands. They seem to be using a type of draw rein, which I have always thought was a mechanical shortcut to patient training. I do know some trainers that I respect (Bev for one) who use this type of training tool with some horses. The horse is very "forward" and energetic and sometimes a little unhappy in his mouth, but he has happy ears and he never rings his tail once, so I'd guess he's not totally unhappy in his work. Glad I don't have to ride him. Nancy
