Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
[talking about what kids do with laptops] Watch and share p0rn? I think it is right Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: incidentally, a few years ago i was in khajuraho, and was amazed to see children from nearby villages saving precious rupees so they could pay rs 15 or whatever it was, to surf the web from a cybercafe in the town. i peered over their shoulders for the five or six days i stayed there, and noticed these children (and even adults) would surf for anything but poPcORN. very interesting. leads me to conduct a thought-experiment: if we erected khajuraho temples in every town and city of the world, the current huge load of internet traffic and clogging for such material would just disappear. even more importantly, it would be fascinating to study what the vast majority of people would love to surf for, in their spare time. I'm sure Niyam knows it, since he saw the place with his own naked, steaming eyes, so this is just a didactic note for the rest of you: The stuff Khajuraho has a reputation for is completely overblown. It's only the tourism industry that pushes it, making it seem like a total sleazepit. Sure, you can find it if you search for it. But Khajuraho is really quite a pretty town, much more decent than Delhi, inexpensive, with amazingly pretty, well-maintained temples which a prude can visit without being embarrassed. Broadband cybercafes everywhere too. Not a bad place for a Delhi coder to migrate to in winter months for some heavy hacking. Maybe we should have a fosscamp there sometime? PJ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
On Feb 1, 2008 10:58 AM, नोरत [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 01/02/2008, Dinesh Shah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: H! On Feb 1, 2008 10:41 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: more to the point is that the people who question what a uneducated poor child would do with a laptop are also people who have laptops. [snip] Incidently what do most educated rich children do with their laptops? Watch and share p0rn? ;-) I think it is right incidentally, a few years ago i was in khajuraho, and was amazed to see children from nearby villages saving precious rupees so they could pay rs 15 or whatever it was, to surf the web from a cybercafe in the town. i peered over their shoulders for the five or six days i stayed there, and noticed these children (and even adults) would surf for anything but poPcORN. very interesting. leads me to conduct a thought-experiment: if we erected khajuraho temples in every town and city of the world, the current huge load of internet traffic and clogging for such material would just disappear. even more importantly, it would be fascinating to study what the vast majority of people would love to surf for, in their spare time. regards niyam -- niyam bhushan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 10:33:10 +0530 From: vivek v [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Feb 1, 2008 10:17 AM, Sriram J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can find it at: 'Let them have laptops' The IndianExpress ePaper - Digital replica of Print Edition. I do not completely agree to this article.But I thought this would be good to discuss this as an precursor to freed.in and would be an interesting read. The point to consider here is wheter a laptop in the hands of an uneducated poor child is going to significantly alter his life. will it prevent him from dropping out of school or help him get a college degree. We are talking about OLPC serving this purpose in two ways. Children getting used to technology, especially *free* technology. Now is technology helps a person get a degree or stop him from drop is a different question. But Technology does help bring a refreshing change to the way education is delivered. It is likely to reduce the dependence on teachers given/assuming that there is a shortage of qualified teachers. Regarding the cost, it may even be a less expensive option than providing adequate number of qualified teachers, classrooms and printed text books for all children who should be in a classroom. Anil ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
On 01-Feb-08, at 12:11 PM, Sriram J wrote: Electricity Minister Arcot N. Veerasamy insists that the government has initiated 'adequate steps' to tide over the power crisis you should believe what the govt says - steps have been taken. Anyway, that is besides the point. All problems will only be solved if people take their own destiny in their own hands and solve them - that is a given. What I do not agree with is the attitude that the poor and uneducated are dumb and unable to recharge their laptops - or use them - or learn to use them. As the durgapur lug has discovered, cell phones are everywhere, so people take to computers like ducks to water. And they manage to charge their cellphones too. They will charge their laptops also. Dont worry about it. The key thing is - it wont do them any harm. Further, not everyone in a village is poor and uneducated - surprisingly large numbers of them are not. joke: developer is a person who wants to build cottages in the jungle and degrade the environment, environmentalist is a person who already has a cottage in the jungle. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
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[Dinesh wrote] Same attitude... Let us give them roti, kapada aur makan (Which is same as Garibi Hatao Abhiyan. ). They really don't need education and information. Education and information is not equal to one laptop per person. Sriram J [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: if u can tell me how one lap top will give you education i will gladly read . if your roti and makan is taken away and u are given electronic devices instead will you accept. You can do educational stuff on a laptop. I don't think you're disputing that though really. Your point is about having reasonable living conditions in place first. Which is a good point, and one I've thought about carefully. I'd say the Young Lady's Illustrated Primer [1] effect is a necessary, but not sufficient condition for realizing the potential of kids. I reckon realizing the potential of kids can be achieved better by a laptop and connectivity than by books nowadays. The OLPC is no miracle device, and most underprivileged children will remain underprivileged, but an OLPC would be immensely helpful for those who have an innate urge to learn. Giving people Roti, Kapda and Makan (instead of a proper education) means you get people who will vote for you, but who will be less likely to get out of their underprivileged quagmire. Democracy doesn't work as well in illiterate/uneducated societies. PJ [1] Neil Stephenson's book, Diamond Age, describes how a girl initially at the dregs of society becomes socially mobile after getting educated by an illegal copy of an intelligent, interactive book - the Young Lady's Illustrated Primer. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
How about empowering them with education and information with electronic devices so that they can make their own roti, kapada aur makan, instead of depending on GOV and NGOs philanthropy's? Please explain how one laptop will improve living conditions or help them earn some money so they can stop depending on other peoples philantropy. Are you asking them to use the computers to earn money(if so how) or am i misunderstanding your mail. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
On 01-Feb-08, at 3:09 PM, Sriram J wrote: How about empowering them with education and information with electronic devices so that they can make their own roti, kapada aur makan, instead of depending on GOV and NGOs philanthropy's? Please explain how one laptop will improve living conditions or help them earn some money so they can stop depending on other peoples philantropy. Are you asking them to use the computers to earn money(if so how) or am i misunderstanding your mail. and if the kids can play games and have fun - is that evil? Any new experience that has a chance of widening a person's mind and opening new horizons to him is positive no? Ok, it may not help them to earn something - but to grudge them having some fun ... the whole thing of give them food, shelter and clothing and then give them laptops is too too much. Government doesnt think or reason, there are pulls and pushes and it reacts to them. Dont expect government to develop society. It wont. People have to develop themselves. And they will. For that matter what about free TVs given to people below a certain income level? Government is doing it for votes - people spend their time before the box instead of doing useful work and educating themselves. So would you say, only give them TVs after they reach a certain income level? Or is TV totally evil? Could it have some educational value? Oh, I forgot, they cant watch TV anyway because villages dont have electricity. And what good is a TV for a person who has hardly enough to eat? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
On Feb 1, 2008 3:27 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 01-Feb-08, at 3:09 PM, Sriram J wrote: How about empowering them with education and information with electronic devices so that they can make their own roti, kapada aur makan, instead of depending on GOV and NGOs philanthropy's? [SNIP] For that matter what about free TVs given to people below a certain income level? Government is doing it for votes - people spend their time before the box instead of doing useful work and educating themselves. So would you say, only give them TVs after they reach a certain income level? Or is TV totally evil? Could it have some educational value? Oh, I forgot, they cant watch TV anyway because villages dont have electricity. And what good is a TV for a person who has hardly enough to eat? Great Points. They do need something different to play with. What is the Value generated here, How far is localization reached? how many actually use localized Computers in india for starters? Any figures? ( I know future lies in it etal ) . how many softwares are there which touch more into local issues specific to our terrain ? Again are they also localized? cheers Vivek ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
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. And what good is a TV for a person who has hardly enough to eat? The answer to your question would be found in the french revolution.(Let them have cake) i think that's why the article is titled Let them have laptops. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
On 01-Feb-08, at 3:45 PM, Sriram J wrote: . And what good is a TV for a person who has hardly enough to eat? The answer to your question would be found in the french revolution. (Let them have cake) actually the answer to my question is found in the slums of chennai and it is not what you think it is. There is a vast difference between a democratically elected government fulfilling an election promise to the people who voted for them and a degenerate aristocracy living off the misery of people. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
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IE Article by Atanu Dey , 1st February 2008 Some points raised by the author: [Author] 1) The Technology can only address the technology aspects for the problem. Sociological Problem:Tech solutions won't help and may make the problems worse =It is failure of India State in last 60 years ,that it has not been able to provide roti kapda or Makkan to all its citizen. Forget about the Roti , Kapda aur makaan,and talk water, potable water is not available to all the citizens .And it doesn't mean that people who don't have water,can't have roti,kapda or makaan, or till the government is able to provide basic facilities to the citizens of this country,they don't have the right to education. [Author] 2)MIT Media Lab XO Laptop :Cost 200$ It ignores basic economics. It help in primary education but not economic feasibile. 100 million laptops, 50,000 Crore ( 10 Billion Dollars). Benefit weight against the schools,teachers.nutrition and healthcare. = Budget of Indian Defense: $ 20 Billion = 100,000 Crores National Rural Employment Guarantee scheme (NREGA): 12,555 Crores. Indian Revenues: 100 Billion Dollars. Indian Population (Age 1 - 15 years)(360 million) Below Poverty Line = 25% Population (Age 1 - 15 years)under poverty (360 million/4= 90 million students Laptop Cost for 100 million students 100 million * 200 $ = 20,000,000,000 $ = 20 $ Billion Cost of teachers:(50 students per teacher) 2 million teachers * 250$(10,000)/month * 12 = 6,000,000,000 $ per annum Age 1 to 15 = Laptops are not mandatory for a one month old child.Assuming a laptops is provided to a child in standard VI (approx age 12 years,3 years is the approx life of the laptop,she won't need a laptop every year),it serves as a carrot policy to retain them to stay till this standard. = Age 12(100 million/ 15 =~ 7 million children per annum at minimum best who use the laptops) Assumed for Age 12 = 7 million laptops/annum = 1,400,000,000 $ = 1.4 $ Billion What about bargaining with the different companies(Asus,HCL,etc) to provide low cost laptops to india, which can decrease the cost by 10%-20% with this big order. = 1,200,000,000 $ = 1.2 $ Billion Now include the possibility that other children 2/3rd (who can afford the 200$ )would also order but,may be laptop from different source.which gives India huge bargaining chip to get the cost down through sheer economics. What about the internet connectivity? Schools can be provided with the WiFi facilities, Cheapest: - BSNL provides Rs250/256Kbps/ upto 2 Mbps/month. 1GB download. -50 to 100 Rs /laptop connectivity charges.Feasible -WiMAX(Cost have gone down to 500Rs/500MB download /month) -Let the ISPs provide cheaper bandwidth to the laptops at the cost of few 100 Rs, -With the order of this magnitude each laptop can get online for Rs 50 or 100 per month. -A single Connection BSNL( home) is shared by 5 students(50Rs month @ school premises/per child only) at current cost.Private companies jump over each other to get this kind of consumer and competition can possibly result in wireless networks all over India. What about maintenance, =each district would need to have a service station which would be taken care by the Manufacturer.Resulting in Jobs Creation. What about getting the productions done over here, which also provides jobs in India? School dropouts: 50% by XII the 90% Failure is due to the low priority given to the primary education. = Right, In the Knwoledge Commision Report of October 2006 ,only two paragraphs are devoted to the primary educations as a passing mention presumably , while vocational,higher, and oper education take the major space ,while professional education hogs the lime light with three subsections(medical, legal,managament,engineering) of atleast two paragraphs each.You can guess why the leaders of this country take pride in talking about the IITs/IIMs at foreign shores and providing resources and grants to these Institutes.And when someone talks about plight of primary education ,same leaders' tails get tucked between their dhotis while replying how India is a poor developing country with meagre resources. [Author] 3) Thankfuly, GOI decided against the OLPC. XO would have been one of the goodied to be distributed by the governmenet to favoured contistuencies in exchange for political patronage. = What is wrong with this instead of Televison being given to the each household in some state of india,why can't laptops be given for the education. Let the states decide to get the votes by providing the laptops to children. Same state had the distinction of succeeding in midday meal schemes for the kids in all the schools,which decreased the dropout levels from the schools.and today it is one of the most successful schemes in India for education,in keeping the dropout levels in India lower than before. What about the content ? Only possibility is Open and Free Content. Which can be reused,modified,reused redistributed in any form
Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
On 01-Feb-08, at 3:55 PM, vivek v wrote: villages dont have electricity. And what good is a TV for a person who has hardly enough to eat? Great Points. They do need something different to play with. What is the Value generated here, How far is localization reached? how many actually use localized Computers in india for starters? Any figures? ( I know future lies in it etal ) . how many softwares are there which touch more into local issues specific to our terrain ? Again are they also localized? this is the core issue. TV and radio reach the remotest of villages and penetrate because they are truly localised. Localisation of computers - not so much the interface which anyway is full of icons and need not be translated, but the content. Localisation of content is paramount. If that is done, a huge battle is won. And it needs to be done for 35 major languages - a herculean task that no government can do or afford to do. The only way it can be done is by collaborative volunteer effort - the kind of effort that made wikipedia. And the need of the hour (to use a cliche) is to put online portals where people can localise content. And get them to use the portals. This is a tough job - we Indians hate to add content to anything - and that includes even enlightened groups like the foss community. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
vivek v [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can find it at: 'Let them have laptops' The IndianExpress ePaper - Digital replica of Print Edition. I do not completely agree to this article.But I thought this would be good to discuss this as an precursor to freed.in and would be an interesting read. Cheers Vivek Opps the link got cut off here is the link http://epaper.indianexpress.com/artMailDisp.aspx?article=01_02_2008_010_006typ=1pub=320 cheers Vivek ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
You can find it at: 'Let them have laptops' The IndianExpress ePaper - Digital replica of Print Edition. I do not completely agree to this article.But I thought this would be good to discuss this as an precursor to freed.in and would be an interesting read. The point to consider here is wheter a laptop in the hands of an uneducated poor child is going to significantly alter his life. will it prevent him from dropping out of school or help him get a college degree. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
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On Feb 1, 2008 10:17 AM, Sriram J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can find it at: 'Let them have laptops' The IndianExpress ePaper - Digital replica of Print Edition. I do not completely agree to this article.But I thought this would be good to discuss this as an precursor to freed.in and would be an interesting read. The point to consider here is wheter a laptop in the hands of an uneducated poor child is going to significantly alter his life. will it prevent him from dropping out of school or help him get a college degree. We are talking about OLPC serving this purpose in two ways. Children getting used to technology, especially *free* technology. Now is technology helps a person get a degree or stop him from drop is a different question. But Technology does help bring a refreshing change to the way education is delivered. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
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On 01-Feb-08, at 10:33 AM, vivek v wrote: The point to consider here is wheter a laptop in the hands of an uneducated poor child is going to significantly alter his life. will it prevent him from dropping out of school or help him get a college degree. We are talking about OLPC serving this purpose in two ways. Children getting used to technology, especially *free* technology. Now is technology helps a person get a degree or stop him from drop is a different question. But Technology does help bring a refreshing change to the way education is delivered. more to the point is that the people who question what a uneducated poor child would do with a laptop are also people who have laptops. Incidently what do most educated rich children do with their laptops? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
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H! On Feb 1, 2008 10:41 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: more to the point is that the people who question what a uneducated poor child would do with a laptop are also people who have laptops. :-) Protecting their own class or elite club and erecting barriers to prevent uneducated enter their domain! Incidently what do most educated rich children do with their laptops? Watch and share p0rn? ;-) -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
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On 01/02/2008, Dinesh Shah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: H! On Feb 1, 2008 10:41 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: more to the point is that the people who question what a uneducated poor child would do with a laptop are also people who have laptops. :-) Protecting their own class or elite club and erecting barriers to prevent uneducated enter their domain! Incidently what do most educated rich children do with their laptops? Watch and share p0rn? ;-) I think it is right -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) _ Norat Saraswat ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- Norat Saraswat Mobile:- 09860697486 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
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Incidently what do most educated rich children do with their laptops? Watch and share p0rn? ;-) I think it is right since you think it is right and you are rich enough i presume you watch and share p0rn. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
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On 01/02/2008, Sriram J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incidently what do most educated rich children do with their laptops? Watch and share p0rn? ;-) I think it is right since you think it is right and you are rich enough i presume you watch and share p0rn. i am not rich enough and donot have any laptop ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- Norat Saraswat Mobile:- 09860697486 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
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The point to consider here is wheter a laptop in the hands of an uneducated poor child is going to significantly alter his life. will it prevent him from dropping out of school or help him get a college degree. We are talking about OLPC serving this purpose in two ways. Children getting used to technology, especially *free* technology. Now is technology helps a person get a degree or stop him from drop is a different question. But Technology does help bring a refreshing change to the way education is delivered. more to the point is that the people who question what a uneducated poor child would do with a laptop are also people who have laptops. Incidently what do most educated rich children do with their laptops? so i think you want to give poor kids the freedom to watch and surf p0rn like thier rich counter parts. that is a very good reason for giving them cheap laptops i will now ask who is going to provide them un interrupted electricy like in the cities. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
On 01-Feb-08, at 11:47 AM, Sriram J wrote: so the plan is to give people laptops without thinking about building the required infrastructure. what infrastructure is needed for a laptop? and 'poor and uneducated' !== dumb -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
On 01-Feb-08, at 11:52 AM, Sriram J wrote: that is a very good reason for giving them cheap laptops i will now ask who is going to provide them un interrupted electricy like in the cities. i dont know where you live, but here all villages have un-interrupted electricity unlike in the cities -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
they may not be dumb but to be able to use thier laptop skills to improve thier lives they need a lot more than a laptop. like roti kapda and makan. i left out the electricity required to run the laptop because it should be obvious. On 2/1/08, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 01-Feb-08, at 11:47 AM, Sriram J wrote: so the plan is to give people laptops without thinking about building the required infrastructure. what infrastructure is needed for a laptop? and 'poor and uneducated' !== dumb -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
i dont know where you live, but here all villages have un-interrupted electricity unlike in the cities Tamil Nadu is reeling under one of the worst power shortages in recent years Electricity Minister Arcot N. Veerasamy insists that the government has initiated 'adequate steps' to tide over the power crisis This is the news as of Dec 2007. I presume the villages where you are dont depend on government for electricity. For your reference http://www.hindu.com/2007/12/08/stories/2007120856860300.htm http://www.rediff.com/news/2000/nov/24nuke.htm ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
On Feb 1, 2008 12:01 PM, Sriram J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: they may not be dumb but to be able to use thier laptop skills to improve thier lives they need a lot more than a laptop. like roti kapda and makan. i left out the electricity required to run the laptop because it should be obvious. Same attitude... Let us give them roti, kapada aur makan (Which is same as Garibi Hatao Abhiyan. ;-)). They really don't need education and information. :-) -- --Dinesh Shah :-) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
Same attitude... Let us give them roti, kapada aur makan (Which is same as Garibi Hatao Abhiyan. ;-)). They really don't need education and information. :-) Education and information is not equal to one laptop per person. if u can tell me how one lap top will give you education i will gladly read . if your roti and makan is taken away and u are given electronic devices instead will you accept. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
On Feb 1, 2008 12:58 PM, Sriram J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Education and information is not equal to one laptop per person. if u can tell me how one lap top will give you education i will gladly read . if your roti and makan is taken away and u are given electronic devices instead will you accept. I never new we are asking them to exchange their roti, kapada aur makan with OLPC. :-) Is that so? How about empowering them with education and information with electronic devices so that they can make their own roti, kapada aur makan, instead of depending on GOV and NGOs philanthropy's? -- --Dinesh Shah :-) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
Hi, I also just read the article that Vivek refers to, and believe that it bears thinking about. It is a serious question to which there are no easy answers, and it would be good to have a real discussion, instead of short reactionary messages. On one hand, why should the poor be deprived of the advantages of digital computers, and access to the Internet. Such technologies, along with rural wireless access, do have the potential to revolutionise education in India. People who complain about subsidies for the poor, and things like the national employment guarantee programme, should keep in mind that these are dwarfed by the costs of petrol, diesel, and LPG subsidies that pander to the rich and middle classes. On the other hand, what is the point of giving laptops to places where basic educational facilities are lacking, where teachers miss classes more often than not, and which lack even books? Would a scheme to distribute laptops be just for show, or would it actually work? Are programmes like the once-touted EduSat doing much good? It is not enough to blame failures of such programmes on corruption and lack of forethought on the part of the government. At least in India, the government is what *we* have made of it. I think that I agree with the premise of the article that educational reform should be more of a priority at present, but is by no means a cut-and-dried case. I have seen at least one instance where a government agency has done things right for the most part in giving computers (not laptops) to rural schools, and the children (up to class 5, or so) had pretty much taught themselves to use the Linux desktop, and play games. Regards, Gora ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
