RE: [leaf-devel] Tom's Networking reviews Bering uClibc
That's a nice article. And I hadn't known about dnsmasq before. Might wat to rename the Why use LRP fact page http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=1739&group_id=13751 -sp > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Mike Noyes > Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 7:47 AM > To: leaf-devel > Cc: leaf-announce > Subject: [leaf-devel] Tom's Networking reviews Bering uClibc > > Jim Hubbard takes a look at Bering uClibc > http://www.tomsnetworking.com/Reviews-150-ProdID-LBU-1.php > > -- > Mike Noyes > http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ > SF.net Projects: ffl, leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs > > --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by The 2004 JavaOne(SM) Conference Learn from the experts at JavaOne(SM), Sun's Worldwide Java Developer Conference, June 28 - July 1 at the Moscone Center in San Francisco, CA REGISTER AND SAVE! http://java.sun.com/javaone/sf Priority Code NWMGYKND ___ leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [leaf-devel] [Fwd: Re: Mike Noyes]
I was trying to figure out what hospital I was going to have to visit. I love access advanced medical technology. -sp > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Larry Platzek > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 3:31 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [leaf-devel] [Fwd: Re: Mike Noyes] > > On Wed, 14 Apr 2004, Ray Olszewski wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:39:33 -0700 > > From: Ray Olszewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [leaf-devel] [Fwd: Re: Mike Noyes] > > > > At 12:16 PM 4/14/2004 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote: > > >On Tue, 2004-04-13 at 04:09, Charles Steinkuehler wrote: > > > > Mike Noyes has been in a bicycle accident (see message below). > > > > > > > > If I get any more details, I'll let everyone know. > > > > > >Everyone, > > >Sorry for the delay on the website. I just got back from > the hospital > > >today. I dot know what problems I'll have, but I intend to > start working > > >on our website ASAP. > > > > > >Apparently I got lucky with some good neurosurgeons. They > drilled a hole > > >in my brain to relive pressure. Without this they said I > was gone. All > > >this from riding head first into a stationary garbage truck at full > > >speed. Not the smartest thing I've done in my life. > > > > But I hope the dumbest (though if your teen years were > anything like mine, > > probably not). > > > > Seriously, I'm glad you are OK, and relieved to see that > you're well enough > > to be updating us yourself on your condition. As you might > imagine, I've a > > special dread of bicycle accidents, and I'm glad that you > came through > > yours reasonably well. > > > > > > --- > Hi Mike, > Did not anyone tell you not to move trucks with your head or bicyles! > Glad you are home and able to update your health status your self. > I was just going to call Phil and find out what hospital you > were in and > if you were up to having visitors. > > Still could arrange time to visit if you would like. > You have my phone numbers. > > Take care. > > > Larry Platzek [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > --- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials > Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of > GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system > administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click > > ___ > leaf-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel > > --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id70&alloc_id638&op=click ___ leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [leaf-devel] New website theme(s)
Also, depending on what you use, IE 5.5 may break ifyou go entirely css compliant. Mozilla Firefox also can render things in an interesting manner. Layout can be tables with font, formatting placement controlled by css. BTW: Have you seen zengarden? http://www.csszengarden.com/ I love this one http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=069%2F069%2Ecss but it is not pratical for a tech site. I almost had phpWebsite up, stupid path failures. :( but for my external web server I am limited to Win32 and between my new son, work and restarting school, I don't have time to bring up the Linux box and get it working after I built it again. I'll need to get it working again so I can build some themes for the contest. When's 0.94 slated for release? -sp NOTE: Because my primary job in supporting Windows, my home environment partially replicates work. This way I can learn and make mistakes in a manner that won't cost me my job :) > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Mike Noyes > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 6:32 PM > To: leaf-devel > Subject: [leaf-devel] New website theme(s) > > Everyone, > Should we have a single theme for all of our sites (hub, bering, > bering-uclibc, devel, lince, oxygen, wisp-dist), or separate themes? > > Example of separate theme ideas: oxygen (airy), > bering (watery), > wisp-dist (wirey), etc. > > Note: the current pre-release demo is using a single theme. > > Currently, the phpWebSite theme engine isn't able to handle the CSS > visual formatting model well. Therefore tables are still used for > layout. I'd like to postpone any theme design contests until after > phpWebSite 0.9.4 is released. > > -- > Mike Noyes > http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ > SF.net Projects: ffl, leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs > > > > --- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials > Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of > GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system > administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click > > ___ > leaf-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel > > --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id70&alloc_id638&op=click ___ leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [leaf-devel] leaf-project.org domain renewal
Huh? What? I'll go with whatever Mike N. comes up with though I had just planned on paying for it for another year. I will transfer the domain to whomever Mike wishes me too. Currently the Administrative contact is myself and Mike is listed as the Organizational contact. I use register.com because they were among the first to do independent registrations and it's where my other domains are. The DNS is hosted there and has been reliable these past few years so I feel comfortable leaving the SOA there. I have full access to DNS settings via web interface anytime and can add/change anything that is needed. My personal life has been exceptionally busy and full of distractions this last year and a half, so I just viewed this as a way to contribute. Current process with Register are $35/year with a 10% discount for a 5 year renewal. On the plus side, after being in limbo for a year, my former companies client ended the support contract but the client hired me so I get to continue receiving a paycheck (WHEW!). Also, my son is a happy, healthy 20 weeks 2 days old. :) -sp -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Noyes Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 10:36 AM To: leaf-devel Subject: [leaf-devel] leaf-project.org domain renewal Everyone, Our domain will expire in Feb. I was wondering how we should handle renewal. Steven paid for our first two years. Registrar Name: Register.com Registrar Whois...: whois.register.com Registrar Homepage: http://www.register.com Domain Name: LEAF-PROJECT.ORG Created on..: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 Expires on..: Fri, Feb 20, 2004 -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: ffl, leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SF.net Giveback Program. SourceForge.net hosts over 70,000 Open Source Projects. See the people who have HELPED US provide better services: Click here: http://sourceforge.net/supporters.php ___ leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [leaf-devel] Network diagrams
> -Original Message- > From: Mike Noyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 10:30, Ray Olszewski wrote: > > At 09:52 AM 2/11/03 -0800, Mike Noyes wrote: > > >Everyone, > > >I'd like to see us create a set of network diagrams that > illustrate > > >secure topologies. Is anyone willing to work on this task? > > > > Other than an LAN that has no Internet connection and no > WAP (and good > > locks on all the doors), I cannot think of a topology that > is *itself* > > secure. Security resides mainly in the firewall rulesets, > not in the > > actual network topology ... though certainly some topologies are > > easier to secure than others (and there are bozo-level > configurations > > that cannot conceivably be made secure by any standard). In > any case, > > security is not a yes-or-no standard; the tradeoff between > safety and > > usability is a balancing act. > > > > So perhaps you could expand on this a bit, to give a better > sense of > > what you have in mind? > > Ray, > I agree with your security statements above. Your knowledge > of network security far exceeds mine, so evaluate my > suggestion with this in mind. > > Here are some examples of what I'm suggesting. > > http://www.nta-monitor.co.uk/fact-sheets/topology-main.htm > http://www.firewall.cx/firewall_topologies.php > > > P.S. What are "Dia source files"? > > Dia is a vector graphics program, with a limited subset of > Visio features. It's part of GNOME Office. > > Dia a drawing program > http://www.gnome.org/gnome-office/dia.shtml > > -- > Mike Noyes What is the audience? What would these diagrams be used for? Showing standard and other potenetial LEAF configurations? Something we could reference new users to? Showing potential best practices with opening ports and outlining the consequences? I had thought of doing something like this in gif/jpeg/png form to refer folks to when they were describing there networks. -sp --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: FREE SSL Guide from Thawte are you planning your Web Server Security? Click here to get a FREE Thawte SSL guide and find the answers to all your SSL security issues. http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?thaw0026en ___ leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] New VPN/firewall security solution
I believe this is it. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipsec-nat-t-ike-02.txt http://www.vpnc.org/draft-ietf-ipsec-nat-t-ike And oddly enough an interesting FAQ on the scope of the issue http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/techinfo/planning/networking/natf aq.asp And pretty much the same thing but not on an MS site http://www.hometoys.com/htinews/aug01/articles/microsoft/upnp.htm In brief, it appears to be a way to establish secure end to end communications across NAT and the Internet specificcaly using the UPnP standard proposed by Intel. -sp > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > Mike Noyes > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 9:50 AM > To: leaf-devel > Subject: [Leaf-devel] New VPN/firewall security solution > > > Everyone, > I just noticed this story on LinuxDevices. Does anyone know > anything about the IETF NAT Traversal specification that is mentioned? > > New VPN/firewall security solution supports Embedded Linux > http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8950961650.> html > > -- > Mike > Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] SANS link. Ours not mentioned but informative link
I'll look this weekend. This week I'm flat out buried. I'm hoping to send him a note suggesting our site. I would love to have a Security Proffesional audit this stuff. -sp -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mike Noyes Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] SANS link. Ours not mentioned but informative link At 4/3/02 11:00 AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >http://rr.sans.org/firewall/floppy-based.php > >Pretty new article. Ours isn't tested but good stuff >for the concept of floppy based firewalls. > >Perhaps we should let him know of our existence. Steven, Were you able to locate contact information for Sean Closson? I wasn't able to. -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Proposed change to the Project Goal
I like framework. It both describes the project - A framework within which brnaches are developed. And the product of ALL branchs - A framework that contians the distro. In any case, I will put forward a modified suggestion later (This week suddenly -40 hour work week w/30 hours of class a b-day party for a friend Saturday and server maintenance Sunday.Not my original plans at all, but a good week none the less. As MikeN said, it is a major deal with SF, and we can go slow and nit pick it to order. :) I do believe we have refined a bit on our original goal (which I believe we accomplished) -sp -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Serge Caron >Message: 8 >Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 07:27:54 -0800 >To: Ray Olszewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,[EMAIL PROTECTED] >From: Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Proposed change to the Project Goal > [snip] >Possible alternative meanings for "F" are: > > * Forge > * Framework > * Foundation > * Fixture > * Foundry Framework, n: a structure or fabric for supporting anything; structure. Facility, n: freedom from difficulty; ease; the means by which the accomplishment of anything is rendered more easy: in this sense usually in the plural. I like both. Should the name convey what the project delivers to users or the type of product that we build? Regards, Serge Caron ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] TS-req-HowTo / How Do I Request Help?
You're joking?! I'm not that old...oh crap never mind. http://www.logophilia.com/WordSpy/sneakernet.asp Essentially, copy files to a transfer media (floppy usually) and walking (presumably in your sneakers) to the other computer and transfering there. Hence, sneakernet. In any case a VERY slow method of data transmission. You could even say it's wireless. -sp -Original Message- One question. What's sneakernet? ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] Proposed change to the Project Goal
Ya know, I think it is time to change this current Project Goals. Create an inclusive environment for current developers of the Linux Router Project to release their modifications to the public. Support continued development of Linux Router Project derived LEAF images and packages. Create a new LEAF version based on an embedded Linux distribution with 2.4 kernel support, while retaining the option to install the target environment on a floppy attached to the target. end current I believe that the time on our own and the continued growth of the branches of the project cry out for a revision. We have significantly moved beyond our roots. So... For purposes of discussion, all discussions need a starting point, I'm throwing this out. It's wordy and needs editing or perhaps a complete rewrite. Proposed for discussion Project Goals Create an inclusive environment for developers of small focused distributions descended, advanced, updated and removed from the LRP. Primarily focused on specific purpose distributions suitable for use booting from floppy, CD-Rom, flash memory or Disk-On-Chip running in RAM using legacy x86 or embedded systems with a small memory footprint. To allow for ideas, improvements and extensible packages to be shared among the various LEAF-Project.org branches to the betterment of all. To maintain a central distribution point, user support mailing list, and to increase the quality of leaf-project documentation for end-users and developers. End Proposed for discussion Respectfully, -sp (It's a mixed blessing that I suddenly got ambushed by an evening class my boss approved that just unexpectedly sucked all my free time this week. Free class GD!) ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Distribution commanalities. (was the other long thing)
All right, Comments inline marked lots of stuff arbitrarily whacked. -sp -Original Message- I think of LEAF more like the Gnome or KDE projects. Taken completely out of context, I suspect we have better interoperability. :) > >Proposing a split? Rather, an idea to increase traffic and potential > >users back to the place we all call home. > > My resistance to the idea directly relates to the amount of time and > effort that went into gathering everyone under one roof. I'm leery of > anything that might lead us back to the fragmentation of the past. That is completely understood. I think the maturity and tolerance of other ideas are far more accepted with LEAF than were constrained within the limitations of the past. The fragmentation in the past seemed to be developers going directions that were not accepted under the opinion of the person hosting/controlling the "project" site. which was the point to form the site to centralize the independent developers and coordinate knowledge as people patched the base systems or just plain found 'neat' ways to do things. Though some of the FAQs are dated, it would be tremendously difficult to replicate the resources that has developed on this site including the list archives. Perhaps the various distro's of LEAF, should be 'distributed' independently, we still need a root site from which to do this. From your theory of the project "evolution" model, I would assume includes by definition that one release would eventually "eat up" other releases. I don't see this happening per se because of the different directions that everyone is headed. It would take a set of standards defining a base that constricts more than one developer that would lead to this (as discussed at length in other threads). As directions from different projects head towards the same direction, some may merge together (or rather join forces for development reasons). Most won't! The reasoning for this, in my mind, lies in the simple core target media a single floppy disk. This target media will always promote different ideas and process direction. Don't look at the differences. Look at the commonalities.*** -All distributions target a floppy size distro as BusyBox -As a result, as functionality/bug fix is added to busybox --others are notified and external scripts/functions are stripped in --favor of the busybox style method and size reduction. -Everyone seems to be aiming for POSIX ness, but different aspects are --more important to different folks, so as one fixes one thing --others works on others and total solutions eventually migrate into --all -Most packages work on all systems. So if someone updates a package, --then users of other distro's benefit -The LARGE base of package contributors adds a diversity of ideas --and improvements not thought of or known by others to the base. -I suspect that distro's cross pollination will only continue --diverging from LRP even further. The divergence is already wide. -kernel's that are updated and the variety of configurations that are --drop in replacements for a variety of distro's -The mail list where a wide variety of issue's are the same/similar --solution across distro's. -Separate distro's won't eat each other, but perhaps the specialized versions of some may not be as necessary as functionality is observed back into the main branch, OR dropped through neglect or a better solution. The utility focus of distro's can be different with a similar base. The maturity, selflessness, and tolerance of the lead developers make LEAF what it is, including you Mike . there are fundamental differences in you having the power over this site w/o having a release that has never happened before. Trust among different releases at the mercy of site admins and their opinions, this doesn't exist anywhere else. You figure out the reasons for the "glue". Mike Noyes as Project Coordinator is a key. I suspect that a lot of Open Source projects fail for lack of support personnel. Developers who get along also is key. Others who package or focus on custom/specific aspects that specialize a distro aids tremendously, the dialup Dachenstein and the wireless Eigerstein are some examples. Scott Best has the web site that interprets logfile packet notices. Do you think that seperating out the releases under different names in a download mirror would seperate the release from the project? I doubt it personally. I thought there was a releases page with what distro's fell under the leaf-project.org umbrella? H... Perhaps a link to your FAQ explaining the releases should be included in the Current Releases line. Perhaps a 'Which release should I use' link. I still linke the testimonial or 'How I use a LEAF distro' page. I need to write something up as soon as I get setup again. Would seperating the releases from the site seperate them from the project
RE: [Leaf-devel] q regarding an ftp site for leaf-project.org (was different)
Well, that may be a way around the storage limits I have seen message threads about that we are running up against on SF. Heh heh. Now comes the fun part. Leaf-project has 2 main distro's with some additional custom variations. Some developing distro's from various experimental offshoots and a host of contributed *.lrp packages. So we would need a tree that makes sense, and a way to prune stuff that is outdated or buggy and 'should not be used' along with someone who sets up the ftp tree on ibiblio. I haven't the faintest idea how one would go about that, but I suspect it might need to be coordinated with Mike N. My current Internet setup is not one where I could do a root setup to mirror from, the DSL isp people were less than candid about some costs associated with what I want to do and I may be forced back to dial-up in disgust! So this message is merely to generate discussion on what would need to be accomplished. I will setup whatever alias is deemed a good idea, but in the interest of supporting Source Forge's experiment I would be bummed to see the project itself moved off SF at this point. I mean, the phpWebsite that MikeN setup and all the CVS stuff is working. The DocManager that is here etc. SourceForge is this really great grand experiment, but setting up an ftp site is all ok with me. Also, do we lose download metrics if we do this and is such information useful? Hm..I'll bet that info is fun to look at. So, assuming the stuff gets mirrored to ibiblio's ftp site (lrp is there) perhaps: LEAF (readme with explanation (maybe Lynn's FAQ, links to leaf-project.org) Leaf\Dachenstein (readme to aid in decisian) Leaf\Dachenstein\Floppy Leaf\Dachenstein\CD Leaf\Dachenstein\PPP Leaf\Oxygen (sorry, I know more about Dachenstein derivatives) Leaf\Packages (this one is fraught with peril) Leaf\Exper Leaf\Exper\namehere Upon further thought, I don't actually think you can vhost an ftp site. I think you actually have to have a unique IP Address, but it is late and I am sleepygetting sleepy...I will now cluck like a .HEY! I think the cat is trying to hypnotize me... All I need is a semblance of consensus and destination that won't go off to limbo. Adding a name to register.com's DNS is fairly quick and easy for me, DNS replication occurring in 1-3 days. My own personal site has enough dead links as it is, I wouldn't want the project site to as well :) Good night. -sp -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] q regarding an ftp site for leaf-project.org (was different) At 12:06 PM 2/26/2002 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I have no objection to this, but we would need several things to >happen. Files stored there would have to be updated through some >mechanism when there is one in place already on sourceforge. Maybe the primary file storage site should not be at SF. Same for the web pages. Kind of like what Charles has set up for his web pages. See http://lrp.steinkuehler.net/mirrors.htm. Then mirror (rsync?) the files to secondary locations (SF, Ibiblio, etc.). >But the big one is will they set up the vhost for >ftp.leaf-project.org? Currently I can't direct to a sub directory through >DNS. Unless we want to state in the download instructions page you start >here \and\drill\down\to\linux\leaf? IIRC Ibiblio will vhost ???.org type web sites. But not ???.com as that is commercial. Don't know if they will vhost an ftp site. But as to the second point, the easiest way would be to list ftp.leaf-project.org/path/to/leaf in the download instructions. ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] Announcing leaf-project.org site name.
Well folks, After Mike Sensney's suggestion and talking to Mike Noyes and Charles I decided to get the domain name leaf-project.org. Currently live are leaf-project.org -> leaf.sourceforge.net www.leaf-project.org -> leaf.sourceforge.net cvs.leaf-project.org -> cvs.sourceforge.net (not sure if this is pointed correctly yet) download.leaf-project.org -> download.sourceforge.net dl.leaf-project.org -> download.sourceforge.net This really needs to point to download.sourceforge.net\leaf but I can't point the DNS at subdirectories. I'll work with Mike Noyes on this. After the concern's expressed over Source Forge's changing Term's of Service (I think they have done a good job and hope we will continue to support them and this grand experiment of theirs) this way we at least have a project Domain Name should worse come to worse and we have to find a new virtual home. I paid for the name for two years. For the time being, any changes to the name will be through Mike Noyes' already working system of consensus building on the list and I shall rely on direction from him in this. Any suggestions, comments, concerns or ideas, please do not hesitate to ask. Steven Peck ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] SF Mirror
If folks think getting a name would be a good idea, I'm willing to pay for it. -sp -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mike Sensney Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Leaf-devel] SF Mirror Ibiblio might be a good mirror for LEAF. They just added another terabyte of storage online, they have a lot of bandwidth, they are Linux friendly, and they are willing to host .org web sites. http://www.ibiblio.org/about.html BTW, both leaf-project.org and leaf-central.org are currently available. Wouldn't it be neat if LEAF's home page was something like http://www.leaf-central.org? Well, I'm off to Seattle again. I'm getting tired of road trips. ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] SF Mirror
And I imagine once I get my stuff set back up, I can pull down backups as well. To be honest, 35MB is not a lot of space to me. I can also dust off my tape drive and get it setup again. If 'disaster' strikes I imagine we'll have numerous geographically dispersed backups. :) In the mean time, I am trying to get my ISP to understand that 'static ip address' does NOT mean static on the OUTSIDE of the DSL modem, but ON MY MACHINE's NIC! Particularly at the rate I am paying for. As it stands, it's nice for surfing and game play and such, but sucks for web/mail server. -sp -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mike Noyes Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 8:25 AM To: Matt Schalit; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] SF Mirror At 2002-02-15 15:44 -0800, Matt Schalit wrote: >I hate to be a bit lazy, but lacking all the fancy Linux >distro's, I was wondering if somebody could distill the >essential commands needed to grab everything in bulk data >format so that I'd just have a few .tgz files or something. >Sort of like: > > 1) SF provides nightly tarballs of our repository for backup purposes. > http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cvstarballs/leaf-cvsroot.tar.gz > 2) Grab all released files > wget -m http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/leaf/ > 3) Rsync some stuff > rsync blah > 4) Back all that up to tape. Matt, I'm working on a site mirroring FAQ for this purpose. -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf.sourceforge.net/content.php?menu=1000&page_id=4 ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Site Update
I have an icon or two I will send you after I get done moving. Does anyone beside Rick hang out in the IRC channel. I hit it periodically, but it is always dead quiet. -Original Message- From: Mike Noyes To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 6/20/2001 8:33 AM Subject: [Leaf-devel] Site Update Everyone, I posted three new articles on our web site this morning, and created a new survey. Be aware that some people are starting to post comments on our web site. You may want to check them periodically. Also, I'd like to have people submit topic icons for: LEAF, EigerStein, Oxygen, Dachstein, Ladybug, packages, and scripts. Tom Eastep kindly submitted a LEAF topic icon. You can view it on his Shorewall site. http://shorewall.sourceforge.net/ Last, I was wondering if we should create an IRC #leaf channel on openprojects.net for people that prefer irc to email. -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Spotty access for the next few weeks
Good spot for it. With less than reliable net access, after the next week of setting everything back up, I believe that I will actually have enforced time to update and correct it. No access to Unreal Tournament games to suck away some of my spare time. :) I play that game too much. Let's see, pack pack pack, move move move, pack left over stuff, then clean clean clean. Oh crap, I waited for the 100 degree weather to do this. :) I hate moving. On the upside, it will be my first house and it is MUCH nicer then the rental and I won't be able to afford to move again after this. -sp -Original Message- From: Mike Noyes To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 6/20/2001 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Spotty access for the next few weeks Steven Peck, 2001-06-20 07:49 -0700 >Well, > >I am moving this weekend. I transfered my site to a friends site and as >soon as DNS replicattes that should be good to go. I transferred mail >to a hosting provider and that should be done in a few hours. > >In any case, my new home does not have an Internet connection yet and I >don't have a dial up yet. So lots of things to do. My access will be >spotty at best for probably the next 3 weeks. > >My email should still be good. Steven, I grabbed your current version of "LRP 2.9.8 How-To", renamed it to "install-LRP.html", and placed it in: http://leaf.sourceforge.net/pub/doc/guide/ I hope that's alright. I did it so I can update our Guides page. http://leaf.sourceforge.net/content.php?menu=1102&page_id=12 -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] Spotty access for the next few weeks
Well, I am moving this weekend. I transfered my site to a friends site and as soon as DNS replicattes that should be good to go. I transferred mail to a hosting provider and that should be done in a few hours. In any case, my new home does not have an Internet connection yet and I don't have a dial up yet. So lots of things to do. My access will be spotty at best for probably the next 3 weeks. My email should still be good. -- Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sacramento, CA http://leaf.blkmtn.org ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] Distribution Question
So, Given that we have 2 goals here. 1. Simplified single disk plug in the numbers turnkey distribution 2. Flexible toolkit. What are the posibilities of doing a custom pre configured build of Oxygen ala Eigerstein series? I haven't had the time to look at Oxygen at all, so I don't know if the single disk with preloaded modules and a firewall are posible, much less space for dhclient/ppoe/firewall. That way, folks can start with a turn key solution, and if they decide later, than can switch to a jack of all trades solution. or both are their needs vary. -sp ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Scenarios
These are great senarios. Add them to your Oxygen usage page. :) But, we also have people who need to 'get something up now!', have more than 3 systems and don't want to pay for the per user sygate license and have read on the dangers of unprotected Windows ICS or use a newer more expensive system as their gateway. I was able to get the Eigerstein version up in 20 minutes. It was up and working. I simply could not believe it. it was a great feeling. I am an experianced Windows Sys Admin now with some networkfng under the belt. I was not 2 years ago when I started using this I was a struglling Sys Admin. I haven't had as much time as I would like to really play with this stuff, but more time then a lot of my friends and co-workers. 2 real senerios 1st setup, someone comparable in skill set to me, he just doesn't have time to look into this stuff. I helped him get his stuff going and he likes his router. But, he has less time than I do. Now, a year later, he is starting to play with Linux, and he knows it works because he has had no problems with his Eigerstein box which he also hasn't touched beyond looking at the logs. 2nd setup. A new to the industry tech. Does not know routing. Knows desktop stuff. He has a cable modem. Wants to play with web/ftp etc. I helped set him up. He has A LOT of learning to do., While he is playing with learning Web/ftp/mail servers that will help give him a pay boost, he can come back to the router stuff, or learn more detail as he needs to. Both folks know it works, one has the foundation to learn from it, just not the time. The other needs to learn the foundation material, but in the meantime has a fairly protected setup with which to play with. The quick and easy setup allowed this to happen. Both will probably continue to investigate Linux in general as time permits and this results in a win-win solution for Linux in general. They may even graduate to the Oxygen systems flexibility, but hell, I don't even know how to run NMAP yet. Plan on learning shortly. This stuff takes time, and if I can have a working system now, I can graduate to a more flexible toolset later. I like the Eigerstein series. It is a solid workhorse with a decent firewall that allows for fairly easy setup as long as you follow the instructions. -sp -Original Message- From: David Douthitt To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 6/15/2001 6:54 AM Subject: [Leaf-devel] Scenarios [Pim had written:] > > Think about it, a 500MB IDE harddrive to install FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Debian > > Linux or whatever else on costs close to nothing. If I wanted a Unix > > machine to do that task, I'd go and build one and wouldn't bother with > > things like LRP. As a 'consumer', I go for LRP because I specifically > > _don't_ want a "flexible, can do anything" solution, but a "stick it in, > > configure it, stop worrying" one. Charles Steinkuehler wrote: > This may be the core difference between David's Oxygen and what I'm trying > to do, and is at least one reason why I think both flavors can flourish (and > likely even build off of each other). Here was the vision I had when I started looking at floppy-based Linux, and thinking of what I could find and how I would modify LRP: Joe Manager comes and says, there's some funny activity on the network in SoSo Department. Can you check it out? So I bring my floppy disks along (three maybe) and head over to an unused PC in SoSo Department, and turn it on. After loading these diskettes into the hopelessly overpowered Pentium 1Ghz with 256M RAM, I start watching the network for problems with tcpdump, nmap, ngrep, etc. ...or... A corporate type is looking for a firewall, but can't justify a Cisco for their 20-employee company. So they pull that 486 out of the closet and get the IT staff (all one of them) to use it for a firewall. ...or... Fred Manager comes and says, My system won't boot anymore... so you trot over there with a single disk in hand, and boot with the floppy using the network to load additional packages. Then using them, you restore the damaged boot sector, and have a happy employee again and back at work. ...or... Mr. Linux Guy (not Guru, just Guy :-) wants a router for his home, so he pulls out the two different 486es he has, makes one a DHCP/BIND server, and the other a dialup router with dialin capabilities and two lines and a VPN all the while learning as he goes, and getting very useful knowledge. ...or... Michael Techie WantsToSeeLinux comes to you and says What's Linux Like? So you bring out your floppy, reboot his Windows PC, and show him what you can do with it. Then you bring up vnc on it (for the frame buffer) and show him your Linux desktop on the other side of the network. ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTE
RE: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement
A LEAF box should be able to check for updates and inform its administrator that updates are needed. - I don't necessarily agree with this. Part of the appeal of a base config'd system for me is that even if it is hacked, there arn't many tools to use. Remote update tools on my system would annoy me. I don't want it talking. Hell, I don't always know when my Windows system is trying to talk to Microsoft. I think at this point a securities page and posibly a leaf-securities mail list for now. For example, I would be willing to work up (AFTER I MOVE) the page on the sshv1 issue. What it's reported posible exploit is, links to further information adn why one might use it anyway (Space) and posible work arounds to use sshv2 (another floppy drive). We are back to the directions point again. This will tie into readily identifiable distributions from LEAF. Oxygen Dachenstein Eigerstein <- perhaps we can start phasing this out for new people Eigerstein2BETA <-perhaps this as well once Dachenstein is ready Unless we are going to have a library page of packages available. H... I may work on this as well. Have to look at the package management system on sourceforge and see if we can develop a front end. lrp packages can be checked in, a description attached to it and a use with distributtion/kernel box. Hm ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: OT [Leaf-devel] Mail Attachments isse
I'll do some looking next week through technet. It may be a setting specific to exchange. It happens on lists ONCE in a while. Certainly not every message. And yes, I am using Exchange5.5 and Outlook2000 at home for now. Experiance with it pays my rent. It's not just from you that it happens. And it is intermittant. -sp -Original Message- From: Mike Noyes To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 6/15/2001 8:48 AM Subject: RE: OT [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org draft? Jack Coates, 2001-06-15 08:34 -0700 >you're on Exchange 5.5 too. I did some quick searching but couldn't find >any good reason for the problem. Will keep looking. Jack, Could this be related to the following support request I just opened? ML user messages not delivered https://sourceforge.net/tracker/ \ ?func=detail&aid=433431&group_id=1&atid=21 >On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Luis.F.Correia wrote: > > > Yeah! > > > > I got this: > > > > > > This message uses a character set that is not supported by the > > Internet Service. To view the original message content, open the > > attached message. If the text doesn't display correctly, save the > > attachment to disk, and then open it using a viewer that can display > > the original character set. > > > > > > and an ascii attachment with everything, including the header... > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Jack Coates [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 4:18 PM > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > > Subject: RE: OT [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org draft? > > > > > > did anyone else have trouble with my message? I'm using Pine 4.3 with > > US-ASCII as the character set. -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] 298 maintenence
~ From: "Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ~ To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ~ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:32:07 -0500 ~ Subject: [Leaf-user] 2.0.x LRP's ~ ~ Are the standard LRP (2.9.8) images going to be maintained still? For ~ those of us still using the 2.0.x kernel based LRP's? Well, I still like the LRP298 base., What I want to sdo as a learning excercise (when I move) is to update it. Updte busybox, the kernel, etc. Be about 2 months before I get started. David D seems to have learned a hell of a lot hacking on Oxygen, that I figure I can play with 298. Thoguh I figured I would keep it focused as a NATing router. We'll see what happens. >P.P.S. what steps have been taken to store and or mirror sourceforge >locally should VA Linux go away? I backup our web site, and the content in the DocManager here: http://leaf.sourceforge.net/pub/archives/ SourceForge also backs up all projects regularly. If someone wishes to make a backup that is independent of the SourceForge site, let me know. Note: it will require approximately 1-2G of storage. -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ Once I get a high speed connection, I have the space to store a backup. So, I'll arrange to pull a copy of the site down for grins and the challange of figuring out the best way to do it. -sp ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement
How about 2-3 buttons top level with sub menus? [button] single floppy NATing firewall router images --[button] eigerstein2 --[button] dachenstein --[button] ppp dachenstein --[button] pppoe dachenstein --[button] specialized Oxygen build --[button] other distribution [button] toolkit distribution --[button] floppy based --[button] cd-rom based (Probably where most of the Oxygen stuff will be) How's that? -sp -Original Message- From: Scott C. Best To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 6/14/2001 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement Mike: I'm hardly the best judge of what's best for new users. But I'm very opinionated, if that helps! ;) My suggestion would be to add a "Get a LEAF Disk image Right Here, Right Now" right under the Affiliates section of the main page. Have that link take the user to the current Releases page where Eigerstein and Oxygen are active links to their sites (which I see Eigerstein is already!). On that release page, indicate under Eigerstein that it's "the best version for new users" (and that the latest version is ES2B), and under Oxygen indicate "the best version for LEAF developers". Lastly, on that Oxygen page, have a link that leads to the tar.gz's. Maybe even a "Image last updated on: Date" thing so people know how current things are. Just my two-coppers. Thanks! -Scott On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > Scott C. Best, 2001-06-13 23:25 -0700 > > Heyaz. So, I went to the LEAF site today trying to > >imagine myself as a new LRP user who's going there for the > >first time. > > And it strikes me...where's the distro? IMO, front¢er > >links to both ES2B and Oxygen be a would be a great help. Sure, > >there's a little "releases" in the upper left, which leads to > >a page that has no clickable links on it -- gotta click again in > >the left banner, though, to actually get to the page. > > Doing it that way, with the left-banner, makes me feel > >like I had to mine for something, and may have no gotten the > >good stuff. So, I guess I'm suggesting a "here's the good stuff" > >link, right there on the homepage. Thoughts? > > Scott, > I could remove the "Releases" menu item. Then make "EigerStein" and > "Oxygen" root menu choices. My preference is to add links to the releases > page. Let me know which way you think is easier for the new user. > > -- > Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ > > > ___ > Leaf-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel > ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement
Geez Scott, Do you have to concentrate on the negatives? :) j/k That was actually why I was hesitant about advertising until we got some focus on what directions LEAF is going in. I hope it continues to travel in a varity of directions, but some helpfully prominent sign posts to direct fols appropriately will do wonders. Now, I'm going to be a little selfish and will not be doing much work in the next 2-4 weeks. After that I should be moved and if a long shot pays off, I MAY even have static IP DSL! Yippee! Otherwise, I have to wait for an indeterminate amout of time for cable. Once I get settled, I'll start being more active again, even if it is through a, sigh, dial-up line. :) ------ Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sacramento, CA http://leaf.blkmtn.org > -Original Message- > From: Scott C. Best [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 11:26 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Leaf-devel] Suggestion for improvement > > > > Heyaz. So, I went to the LEAF site today trying to > imagine myself as a new LRP user who's going there for the > first time. > And it strikes me...where's the distro? IMO, front¢er > links to both ES2B and Oxygen be a would be a great help. Sure, > there's a little "releases" in the upper left, which leads to > a page that has no clickable links on it -- gotta click again in > the left banner, though, to actually get to the page. > Doing it that way, with the left-banner, makes me feel > like I had to mine for something, and may have no gotten the > good stuff. So, I guess I'm suggesting a "here's the good stuff" > link, right there on the homepage. Thoughts? > > -Scott > > > > > ___ > Leaf-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel > ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Hopefully last thread on LRP and leaving
> -Original Message- > From: Mike Sensney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 10:52 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Hopefully last thread on LRP and leaving > > > At 01:27 AM 06/14/2001 -0400, Morgan Reed wrote >> > I think there is no need to do anything. As the expression > goes, "Why flog a dead horse?" Let it die, there is enough in the archives to show our intent. >I haven't unsubscribed from the LRP list. There > isn't any need to. The list is effectively dead. There are a very few > posters asking LRP questions. Nobody is answering them. In a way it is very sad. > > I have an ethical problem. Should I just let them hang? Or > should I direct them to the Leaf-user list? You could direct them, but you would have to do so on a direct email basis, I doubt that Dave will moderate redirection through. I'm sure we could answer that poor guys ssh question. >P.S. I guess the next step will be spreading the word that > the LRP truly > >lives on in LEAF, and making sure that new users know to visit us on > >sourceforge. I suppose we should decide on a variey of directions before we get really aggressive on publisizing us. :) > >P.P.S. what steps have been taken to store and or mirror > sourceforge locally should VA Linux go away? I believe Mike backs up the entrie site weekly. -- Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sacramento, CA http://leaf.blkmtn.org ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] lrp.c0wz.com down?
Last I heard he was interviewing for a job as his was being phased out. You might try the LRP channel on Opennet??? that he started. He used to hang out there. The site was up as of last night. -sp -Original Message- From: Scott C. Best To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 6/13/2001 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] lrp.c0wz.com down? Mike: Yeah, Rick fell off the Earth about a month ago. Hope he's okay... -Scott On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > Everyone, > It looks like lrp.c0wz.com is down. The root c0wz.com site is still responding. > > Has anyone heard from Rick lately? I've been unable to reach him recently. > > -- > Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ > > > ___ > Leaf-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel > ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] New Development Platform?
As long as it will run on x86 architecture I'm happy. Doesn't Debian port to everything? Though my understanding is that it is the patches needed to run in RAM that are different. hmm an updated everything made by a cooperative set of people. cool. -sp -Original Message- From: Charles Steinkuehler To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 6/13/2001 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] New Development Platform? > This talk recently of other development platforms (Hard Hat and > BlueCat) made me think about this. > > The original was Debian, as that was what was used, and it supported > glibc 2.0 in Slink. It later became clear (to me anyway) that any > glibc-2.0 based Linux should do, such as Red Hat 5.2 or Linux Mandrake > 5.3. > > I've taken a look at some of these, and wonder what every one else > thinks: > > * Hard Hat - seems like its made for true embedded applications, and > the Professional version isn't GPL and isn't available for download. > Embedded to me means: using some CPU no one's ever heard of, and > putting the CPU and software into a device no one will ever see. > > * BlueCat - this is like Hard Hat in that it is for True Embedded > Development... why develop for an i586 when you've get Joe's CPU > xx87AA0-series 7 available? > > Maybe I just don't "get it" with this embedded stuff - I thought we > were developing for mass produced Intel-compatible processors but > anyway - more: The part to 'get' about using an off-the-shelf distribution aimed at embedded development is the tool chain. The typical embedded distribution installs on top of some other system...most support a wide variety of linux, and even Windows NT/2000 using the GNU compilers. The big advantage to using something already setup with a cross compiling development environment is we don't have to worry about (and fix) the many little things that break when trying to build an environment like this...someone else did that work for us. Also, I guess I lean towards the embedded side of things, as I've done a lot of work with embedded processors. In addition, I guess it seems (at least to me) more likely to see a LEAF derivation in a stand-alone black-box router or VPN gateway (ie embedded system) than to see a LEAF derivation that is trying to be a full-blown desktop workstation with a self-hosted development environment. Note that even if we can self-host a development system, we're STILL in a cross-compile environment, as the target install machine is typically NOT the machine you're compiling on, even though they may share the same CPU architecture. > * Gentoo - this seems like a VERY appealing environment. I will > probably see if I can install it sooner or later. The idea of not > having GNOME support in binaries when you don't use GNOME is appealing > - similar things could be said about NIS and about IP v6. > > * Peewee Linux - this also seems appealing, though it seems more > geared towards making that bootable floppy disk distro than what I > thought it was originally (a bootable mini CDROM distro). > > * Peanut - this is another distro that I will probably install or try > out at some time. It IS a small CDROM-based distro. > > Thoughts? I'm only somewhat familiar with Peewee linux and Peanut...I haven't heard of Gentoo at all. I'll take a look at these... The more I think about it, the more I'm tempted to think we'll probably wind up with our own complete distribution, like it or not. At a minimum, we'll probably need to re-package anything pre-made, unless we can get full support for creation & extraction of RPMs or DEBs small enough to fit on a floppy. Also, I'd prefer to make a system flexible enough to handle: Base utilities...choice of: "Standard" binary BusyBox asmutils shell-script (POSIXness or similar) omitted entirely Libraries...choice of: ulibc glibc (various versions) newlib others? With BusyBox and perhaps ulibc making up the 'standard' floppy firewall. A full-blown glibc could be added as a package if something required it. In summary, I'd like to see a compile environment flexible enough to handle various library versions, and setup to compile for a target different than the host. The other thing I'd like to see is an enhanced packaging system of some sort, that can handle a variety of boot and storage media...from the current floppy boot into a ramdisk, to CD or HDD boot into a hybrid system with volitle (ram-disk), non-volitle (flash/HDD), and read-only (CD-ROM/boot-ROM). Charles Steinkuehler http://lrp.steinkuehler.net http://c0wz.steinkuehler.net (lrp.c0wz.com mirror) ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: OT [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org draft?
I did get it as an ASCII attachment. -sp -Original Message- From: Jack Coates To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Sent: 6/13/2001 8:18 AM Subject: RE: OT [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org draft? did anyone else have trouble with my message? I'm using Pine 4.3 with US-ASCII as the character set. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: It's what's for dinner! On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Steven Peck wrote: > Jack. tch tch tch :) > > In any case, the draft looks pretty good. I haven't had time to mull it > over in detail yet, but I think I would sign it. Of, course 30 odd folks > signing off LRP seems to have made an appropriate statement already, so the > point may now be moot. I redid my personal web page. Now to redo some > other stuff. > > Sigh, what a pain! > > It's a real pity, I was proud of participating in the list. Ah well, we'll > just have to build the leaf-user list up. > > -- > Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sacramento, CA http://leaf.blkmtn.org > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Jack Coates [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 10:48 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: OT [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org draft? > > > > > > This message uses a character set that is not supported by > > the Internet Service. To view the original message content, > > open the attached message. If the text doesn't display > > correctly, save the attachment to disk, and then open it > > using a viewer that can display the original character set. > > > > ___ > Leaf-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel > ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: OT [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org draft?
Jack. tch tch tch :) In any case, the draft looks pretty good. I haven't had time to mull it over in detail yet, but I think I would sign it. Of, course 30 odd folks signing off LRP seems to have made an appropriate statement already, so the point may now be moot. I redid my personal web page. Now to redo some other stuff. Sigh, what a pain! It's a real pity, I was proud of participating in the list. Ah well, we'll just have to build the leaf-user list up. ------ Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sacramento, CA http://leaf.blkmtn.org > -Original Message- > From: Jack Coates [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 10:48 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: OT [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org draft? > > > This message uses a character set that is not supported by > the Internet Service. To view the original message content, > open the attached message. If the text doesn't display > correctly, save the attachment to disk, and then open it > using a viewer that can display the original character set. > ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Linux Mandrake
---Original Message- From: David Douthitt To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 6/12/2001 7:50 AM Subject: [Leaf-devel] Linux Mandrake Steven Peck wrote: > I switched to Mandrake. I will use it for a few months to get more comfortable with Linux and then we shall see what happens. Which Mandrake? Mandrake v8.0 supposed to be great for newbies. Of which I am for Linux general system stuff. :/ Not for long though. I'm just now trying to set up a Linux workstation at home for personal use - that is, with word-processors, spreadsheets - you know, for REAL use :-) You being good and all with Linux, you might try Progeny, it looked really good, and when it installed, it was FAST and pretty. To many misc little bugs for me to spend time troubleshooting though. I just don't know enough Linux/UNIX theory to play and troubleshoot the stuff with any speed. I do plan to change that, just gotta find the time. I've heard that XFree86 4.0 is a bit buggy; the Cooker (beta) distribution of Mandrake has XFree86 4.1 which you may want to download. In my case, it would appear that Sawfish (formerly Sawmill) doesn't want to work right - I had to switch to soemthing else - which I needed anyway, since I only have (ONLY???) 56M of memory... P200MMX with 128MB Ram. I'll have to see if Mandrake has an update on their site. I don't anticipate getting to much done on this system before I move. I will say that I did have to load Progeny 3 times. The first 2 times, it bombed out on me, then it installed cleanly, 10 minutes to a complete install. My CD Rom drive died 1 week later, so that may have had something to do with it. It also would appear that 56M of memory isn't enough for X and Linux 2.4 - gak! I've started playing with the lightweights - I suppose they ARE the future for distributions like LEAF. blackbox was quite spartan; icewm is nice, and so is windowmaker. Haven't decided yet. GNOME is a hog; so is KDE - but if you've got the memory you might like them (I lean towards GNOME + Sawfish). My head will explode. To many choices :). My video card only has 4 megs, maybe I'll get a video card with more memory. XWindows lags a bit with KDE on it. The default for Mandrake is KDE, but GNome is available. Haven't tried that yet on the Mandrake system. The Progeny system I had setup looked really good, but various GNome applets crash sporadically. I don't know enough to troubleshoot it yet nor do I currently have the time. Soon though. Also, 56M is definitely not enough for Linux 2.4 + X + StarOffice 5.2 - GAK!!! StarOffice 5.1 runs fine under Windows NT with 64M - although it seems to have a memory leak - and is somewhat sluggish. For now, I'll stick to Abiword and Gnumeric - all of which come up MUCH more quickly than StarOffice - and don't require you to go for a cup of coffee waiting for it to start ABIWord looked pretty good. After I move, I will get the network printer setup and working on it and see what's up. www.progenyusers.org www.mandrakeuser.org -sp ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: OT Re: [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org
I like this idea. LRP/LEAF has an international audience so who cares if you are a registered foreign agent. It's Open Source. I will be out tonight, but can look at anything that is circulated and add my thoughts either late tonight or evening tommorrow. -- Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sacramento, CA http://leaf.blkmtn.org > -Original Message- > From: Morgan Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 6:00 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: OT Re: [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org > > > I have read many good suggestions here, but one I have not > seen mentioned is > an open letter, signed by all (r as many as possible) of the > LEAF-dev team, > expressing our sorrow and disagreement with Dave's decision. > We would then > post this letter for the general LRP list. > > I think that would be enough. If it ever becomes an issue in > the future, a > search of geocrawler will show the sentiment, but I don't > think we will be > causing as big a firestorm as we would if we moved to sever links etc. > > We are, in essence, engaged in a PR campaign for LRP, and as > we saw with the > Linux Gazette article, poorly a informed press leads to > poorly informed > articles. Since Dave C has not put forth the kind of effort > as seen by Rick > in lrp.c0wz, Charles in EigerStein+, DD in Oxygen, Mike in > LEAF and the > countless hours that others have put into LRP, it would be a > travesty if a > disagreement over a clearly wrong, and I personally feel an > immoral stance > by Dave lead to a loss of recognition in the work everyone else has > provided. > > A letter can help us, as the "face" of LRP, put a layer of separation > between ourselves and Dave's misguided political message. > Granted, Dave has > done a lot of work on LRP, but more importantly happens to > own the most > obvious URL. We need to clarify that his ownership of one > popular URL does > not confer any extra status on his views. A single, open > letter should do > that. > > In order to have full disclosure, I should step out of the > shadows a bit on > this. As many of you may know, I actually work in Washington > DC, and used to > work for Congress. I am happy to answer any and all > questions about "how it > works" "are their any conspiracies" "why do they spend all > my/our money" > "why do foreigners get all my tax money" "why are all > politicians corrupt" > and all that. Please note a certain level of sarcasm in the previous > statements, but not in my willingness to answer. > > By the same token, the level of knowledge many of you bring > to Linux, I > bring to issues of Government Relations. If you really care, > run a google > search on Morgan W Reed III. Yes, I am a registered foreign agent. > > > Morgan Reed > ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org
sigh I'm glad the LEAF site is up and running. -sp -Original Message- From: Charles Steinkuehler To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 6/11/2001 9:16 AM Subject: [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org For those of you who haven't been to www.linuxrouter.org lately, you might want to head over there today. Apparently the planned network outage today is not for routine maintence. Instead, the network seems to be 'in mourning'. Charles Steinkuehler http://lrp.steinkuehler.net http://c0wz.steinkuehler.net (lrp.c0wz.com mirror) ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] website FAQs page
That looks spiffy Mike N. On other news: My move is on track so if all goes well, I will be moved in 2 weeks and if all goes even better, I will only be without a decent Internet connection for a week or two instead of a month or two as originally thought. Once all that occurs, I will be able to focus my time back to LEAF. :) In a nicer setting. On a plus note, I got a Linux system up and going finally. I was trying Progeny, but it had to many gotchas, so I switched to Mandrake. I will use it for a few months to get more comfortable with Linux and then we shall see what happens. -sp -Original Message- From: Mike Noyes To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 6/11/2001 11:48 AM Subject: [Leaf-devel] website FAQs page Everyone, I just updated our FAQs page. Feedback is appreciated. Thanks. http://leaf.sourceforge.net/content.php?menu=1105&page_id=19 I'm going to work on our web site Documentation pages for the next couple of days. -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] Re: leaf.sourceforge.net HACKED? YES!
NOt sure if this has been pointed out yet or not, but there is an article on Sourceforge being hacked. No details. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/8/19255.html ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Something new
Now this is pretty cool. Co-incidently, I have been gettting some serious scans in the last few days. Mostly asianet stuff. -- Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sacramento, CA http://leaf.blkmtn.org > -Original Message- > From: Scott C. Best [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 10:37 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Something new > > > Mike: > > Not a bad idea. Let me get it working first, though. > Still some details to nail down. > > -Scott > > On Sat, 19 May 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > > > Scott C. Best, 2001-05-19 14:18 -0700 > > > > > Heya LEAF'rs. Been working on something new: > > > > > > http://www.echogent.com/cgi-bin/fwlog.pl > > > > > > It's a firewall packet log processor. So, stick > > >in something like: > > > > Scott, > > We can run cgi scripts from our SourceForge site. How large > is the cgi > > script, and does it require a lot of processing power? > > > > -- > > Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ > > > > > > ___ > > Leaf-devel mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel > > > > > ___ > Leaf-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel > ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Eigerstein?BETA pre-release
I gotta say I agree with this suggestion. Enough of the core elements have been changed and updated that it should probably be call Eigerstein3, if only to differentiate it fro the base Eigherstein2 build. It will aid in troubleshooting issues specific to it. -- Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sacramento, CA http://leaf.blkmtn.org > -Original Message- > From: S.C.Best [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 10:25 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Eigerstein?BETA pre-release > > > Ewald: > Hello! Great work, cool. This might be an old question, but > I thought I'd ask: should we call your update, perhaps, Eigerstein3? > > -Scott > > At 6:56 PM +0200 5/20/01, Ewald Wasscher wrote: > >Hello all, > > > >With help and approval from Charles Steinkuehler I have made > an updated > >version of Eigerstein2BETA. The goal was not to deviate too much from > >the original Eigerstein2BETA. All binaries have been upgraded to the > >last stable version. Other major changes are: > >- replaced ae with e3 as the default editor. > >- moved ae, ncurses and setserial to seperate packages > >- introduced a modified lrcfg.back.script that uses busybox tar > > > >A disk image (1743KB) and packages are available for testing here: > > > >http://leaf.sourceforge.net/devel/ewaldw/Eigerstein2BETA/20010520/ > > > >On the todo list for the final release are: > >- update sh-httpd in the weblet package > >- produce some updated kernels > > > >If some people could test this pre-release and provide me > with merciless > >feedback I would be grateful. > >The changelog is attached. > > > >Greetings, > > > >Ewald Wasscher > > > > ___ > Leaf-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel > ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] free cvs book
>From a LUG mail list I'm on. --- Can anyone recommend a good primer on it? -- George Metz Commercial Routing Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Peter Jay Salzman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 1:58 PM To: Linux User Group of Davis Subject: [vox] free cvs book http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/ coriollis book. very cool that it's open sourced. pete -- "The following addresses had permanent fatal errors..." [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailer Daemon www.dirac.org/p ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] SVLDG meeting (was: SVLUG meeting and Midori presentation)
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > On Thu, 3 May 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > > > Charles Steinkuehler, 2001-05-03 13:22 -0500 > > > > It might be a good idea to gather together on a weekend > sometime. We > > > > could call it a Silicon Valley LEAF Developers Group > (SVLDG) meeting. > > > > We need a place that is accessible by public transportation to > > > > accommodate Ray and me. Any suggestions? > > > > > >Treasure Island sometime between May 22 & 28. It might be a bit > > >crowded, however, as that's when/where BattleBots is being > held. :-) > > > > > >Seriously, I'll be in the bay area then, and would love to > meet up with > > >anyone local to the area, if possible. I won't know my > schedule until I > > >actually get out there (brackets don't get posted until the day you > > >actually fight), but I can probably break free for an > afternoon/evening > > >sometime. > > > > This sounds good to me. Ray, Jack, Kenneth, Scott, and > Larry what do you > > think? Did I miss anyone? > > I am about 1.5 hours away. Could be an interesting jaunt on > 23rd or 26th. > > -- > ----- > Jeff NewmillerThe . I'm also about 1.5-2 hours away. The 26th would be a better date for me. I'll have to check my schedule. -- Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sacramento, CA http://leaf.blkmtn.org ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Vulnerabilities dot org
OOPS! I forgot about the side effect. It filled up my RAM disk and crashed my internal dhcpd. It also killed weblet, I could still log on locally and any statically mapped system worked, though slow. Those assigned with dhcp lost connectivity. Still, it says a lot for the security of the LRP as a border device itself. I have noticed that if your logs fill up, the LRP system slows stuff up. -- Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sacramento, CA http://leaf.blkmtn.org > -Original Message- > From: Scott C. Best [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 10:45 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Vulnerabilities dot org > > > > So, I ran the Nessus scan on an Eigerstein 2.2.16 > running echowall. The report, as with Steven's experience, > isn't very interesting: nothing found since I left nothing > active (I commented out the WANTED_SERVICES line before > restarting the firewall and testing). Report attached at > the end of the email. > > What *is* interesting though is the packet logging. > Oh my. Filled my ramdisk, preventing echowall from re- > running, as "echo test > file" won't work if the disk is > full. So...be cautious turning Nessus loose on your own > LRP box. :) > Makes me wonder though. At the start of the scan, > /var/log/syslog, messages and kern.log were 15k, 13k, and > 13k respectively. After the scan...all *three* of them were > over 980k before I ran out of disk space. > Sure, a brute-force DOS attack but...what am I doing > wrong where each packet log gets recorded in 3 places? > > Also...I noticed my cable-modem connect thru the LRP > was sluggish after the disk was filled. I checked with > www.bandwidthplace.com/speedtest and it confirmed: 671 kpbs > with a full disk, and 1293 kbps immediately after a reboot. > Perhaps the next time someone on the LRP lists mentions > that their LRP box is "acting slow" we should ask if they > recently unleased Nessus on it. > > cheers, > Scott > > > Everyone, > > I found a site that is performing Nessus and NMAP scans for free. > > Please test your firewalls and share the results. > > --- > >Nessus Scan Report compliments of www.vulnerabilities.org > > Free Nessus web scan provided by Vulnerabilities.org > Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] > for a personal evaluation of the scan report, further detailed > systems analysis. Of course, we are available for contract > to correct your problems, provide recurring network > vulnerability analysis, and general hosting system administration > > Please take a second and drop us a note, or if you would > like to share your report with us, email to above! > > __ > __ > > > Number of hosts which were alive during the test : 1 > Number of security holes found : 0 > Number of security warnings found : 0 > Number of security notes found : 1 > > List of the tested hosts : > > * 65.11.107.92 (Security notes found) > > __ > __ > > [ Back to the top ] > 65.11.107.92 : > > List of open ports : > > * general/udp (Security notes found) > > [ back to the list of ports ] > > Information found on port general/udp > > For your information, here is the traceroute to 65.11.107.92 : > 207.211.208.3 > 165.113.120.205 > 165.113.50.146 > 165.113.50.65 > 165.113.3.126 > 24.7.74.62 > 216.197.144.30 > 10.0.254.242 > 10.0.255.14 > ? > > __ > __ > This file was generated by Nessus, the open-sourced security scanner. > > > > ___ > Leaf-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel > ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Vulnerabilities dot org
nessus. It warns you that it will seriously hose you for the duration of the scan. 30-45 minutes. It starts at port 1 and goes up from there. In a nutshell, the only things it found were my open ports. 20-21, 80 gave some warnings, 25 with some warning (not applicable to my mail server), 22 (warned me about an older ver of ssh 1.3) All in all, nothing I didn't expect. In the end, my servers are patched up to date, and there is not much I can do about ssh until some one gets a working sshd2.lrp to fit. I think I'm going to 2 floppies for my next system. ------ Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sacramento, CA http://leaf.blkmtn.org > -Original Message- > From: Mike Noyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Steven Peck, 2001-04-26 17:27 -0700 > >I did earlier with an Eigerstein2BETA, but I will dig out > the email and > >share it again. > > Steven, > Did you use Nessus or NMAP? Nessus recently won Netowrk Computing's > "Vulnerability Assessment Scanners" review. > http://www.nwc.com/1201/1201f1b1.html > > They are continually updating the vulnerability checks that Nessus > performs, so a new scan may give different results. > > -- > Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Vulnerabilities dot org
I did earlier with an Eigerstein2BETA, but I will dig out the email and share it again. > -Original Message- > From: Mike Noyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 2:50 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Leaf-devel] Vulnerabilities dot org > > > Everyone, > I found a site that is performing Nessus and NMAP scans for > free. Please > test your firewalls and share the results. > > http://www.vulnerabilities.org/ > > -- > Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] Need some help finding a hosting solution (inexpensive)
Ok folks, If all continues to go well, I will be moving soon (June). :) However, this comes at a price. The ONLY DSL available is pppoa with NO static option, having done some searches and know I'm kind of screwed as far a Linux goes, much less for hosting my own web/mail. There also does not appear to be any Covad reseller solutions either, nor does the cable company appear to know we exist yet, posibly 6 month delay. So what I'm looking for is inexpensive web and mail hosts sites. I've done a couple of searches and know there are some sites that are inexpensive but I'm figuring on checking out if anyone has any experiance and preferences. Sigh. This is a real pain. Fortunatly, I have a friend who is moving a month ahead of me, so he gets the short end first but the solution is one we'll both probably use. Heh heh, heck, he has 3 active domains, I only have 2. I recall coming across a solution involving a Linux virtual server where you could tack on whatever virtual domains you want. That would be too cool if it still exists. Well off a searching I go... ------ Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sacramento, CA http://leaf.blkmtn.org ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] 2.4 kernel gotcha -experimental routing protocol
http://eltoday.com/article.php3?ltsn=2001-04-17-001-14-PS 2.4 kernel gotcha's revolving around newer experimental protocls. As it involves hosts/routers, I thought it would be relavant. The article provides a work around. -SP ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Re: rcf.lrp (was: Hello all!)
I was trying it, but interpreting the instrucions was difficult. The instructions say run install.sh, I was unable to find that file. So, I finnally figured to run rcf --configure and it poped up with a error in the 'write' script?? I saved the error, but the floppy corrupted and then it appeared my floppy drive went cabloui. I will try again later this week and save the error message. I really want to get some LRP specific instructions going. ------ Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sacramento, CA http://leaf.blkmtn.org > -Original Message- > From: Jean-Sebastien Morisset [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 3:13 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Leaf-devel] Re: rcf.lrp (was: Hello all!) > > > On Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 02:17:36PM -0700, Mike Noyes wrote: > > Jean-Sebastien Morisset, 2001-04-22 15:39 -0400 > > >The LEAF home page recently announced the affiliation of > rcf, a pretty > > >good firewall for Linux. Personally, I think it's better > than 'pretty > > >good', but I'm kinda biased. :-) > > > > Jean-Sebastein, > > I would expect nothing less. :) > > :-) > > > BTW, have you received any feedback on your rcf511c4.lrp > package? Also, > > Nope, not yet. I haven't seen that much enthousiasm for the > LRP version of > rcf. It took quite a few hours to ports all the scripts, so > I'm a little > disappointed. I figure interest will pick-up as people try rcf... :-) > > > what is the timetable for a version based on iptables? > > The idea is to first get rid of all the ipchains commands from all the > modules and functions, except for one function. This single > function will > be called to setup the chains instead of calling the ipchains binary > directly. v5.1.2 will bring us to this point. v5.1.1 is > almost there... > After that, it should be fairly easy to have that function > use iptables or > ipchains as necessary. I figure a development version with support for > iptables will be ready in 1-2 months. > > Although rcf uses ipchains, I've heard it beats out most of > the iptables > scripts currently available. Since linux 2.4.x can use ipchains, there > isn't a _huge_ rush to port right away. :-) > > LateR! > js. > -- > Jean-Sebastien Morisset, Sr. UNIX Administrator <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Personal Homepage <http://jsmoriss.mvlan.net/>; UNIX, Internet, > Homebrewing, Cigars, PCS, PalmOS, CP2020 and other Fun Stuff... > This is Linux Country. On a quiet night you can hear Windows > NT reboot! > > ___ > Leaf-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel > ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] Network Block Device
Can ANYONE see a reason for Network Block Devices to be allowable as anything other than a module? I can't even get a good idea of what they're used for, as it specifically states that you can use NFS/Coda/et al without it. -- George Metz Commercial Routing Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www2.linuxjournal.com/lj-issues/issue73/3778.html Given the slightly chequered history of NFS in Linux, it may be deemed something of an advantage that the NBD driver requires no NFS code in order to supply a networked file system. (The speed of NFS in the 2.2.x kernels is markedly superior to that of the 2.0.x implementations, perhaps by a factor of two, and it no longer seems to suffer from nonlinear slowdown with respect to size of transfer.) The driver has no file system code at all. An NBD can be mounted as native EXT2, FAT, XFS or however the remote resource happens to be formatted. It benefits in performance from the buffering present in the Linux block device layers. If the server is serving from an asynchronous file system and not a raw physical device at the other end, benefits from buffering accrue at both ends of the connection. Buffering speeds up reads one hundred times in streaming measurements (it reads the same source twice) depending on conditions such as read-ahead and CPU loading, and appears to speed up writes approximately two times. With our experimental drivers, we see raw writes in ``normal use'' achieving about 5MBps to 6MBps over switched duplex 100BT networks through 3c905 network cards. (The quoted 5-6MBps is achieved with buffering at both ends and transfers of about 16MB or 25% of installed RAM, so that buffering is effective but not dominant.) Additional: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/nbd/nbd.html http://sites.netscape.net/sebtomac/nbd/nbdd.html This article seems to indicate that NBD is obsoleted, but I am unable to determine at a cursory glance if this is the same NBD as the one you are talking about. google search words: Network Block Devices AND linux ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] 2.4 iptables exploit
patch for the exploit and a very good explanation. > > As long as you trust your internal users(!!?) and your ftp server is > uncompromised, you can ignore this :) > should we? That was a bit of an off hand joke Pedro. Looking at it, I realize that it was not clear. The hack is actually quite interesting and the explanation quite good, but any exploit needs patching. -sp -stupid DSL. 2 years running fine, poof no connectivity, evidently someone reconfigured me for PPPOE, when they 'fixed' it, they evidently forgot to SAVE the changes, so I had to call them BACK! I just need it to run for a few more months at this location, till I move. (down for 5-1/2 hours last night, which killed my productivity plans to clear up some backlog of work. ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] 2.4 iptables exploit
http://www.tempest.com.br/advisories/01-2001.html indicates a 2.4 kernel iptables exploit involving ftp passing through. They also provide a patch for the exploit and a very good explanation. As long as you trust your internal users(!!?) and your ftp server is uncompromised, you can ignore this :) -sp -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 4/19/2001 1:54 PM Subject: Re: Off-list Re: [Leaf-devel] Updating Eigerstein Hello Ewald, Charles > > >> Is anyone working on this already? If not I will have a start this > > >> weekend, or perhaps when I return from work tonight. If you prefer > > >> someone else's work please tell me so; it will save me some superfluous > > >> work. > > > yep, sort of. I am implementing the eigerstein on the 2.4.3 kernel from george. It just seems to change quite a lot. I am using Busybox 0.50 for now. as I had problems compiling the 0.51 with insmod. (see previous posts) Updated the ash. ( oxygen) Am working on the weblet. But changing to 2.4 and updating to iptables means also changes in portforwarding and masquerading. I now have working ( not properly tested image with shorewall) I am working on a basic ip-addres setup kind of the way lrp does it. The rest of the system will be setup with a webinterface (sort of prealpha stage ;) at the moment. Allthough this kind of changes would mean a rather radical change away from eigerstein. :( So perhaps it would be the best to stay with ipchains. and only update a few programms (busybox etc). > > > > > > I haven't seen any progress reports, or been asked any questions...the As said , i am still in a very pre-alpha stage, and don't know if I come further. > best > > > I can tell you for sure is that I'm not working on this (just too busy). > > > > > > Feel free to do whatever work you have time for, and just ask if you > have > > > any questions or need anything from me. > > > > > Allright! I'll see what I can do this weekend. As I have a part-time > > job, no wife and no children I'm not as busy as both of you. Of course I > > will keep a full log of the changes that I make for you to comment on. > > One of the bigger changes I propose is replacing ae with e3 or the > > busybox vi applet. That will make it a lot easier to throw out ncurses The busybox vi applet functions very well :) tried this. > I > > a "whopping" 119 kb). > > > > If you have the time it would be nice if you could make sh-httpd > > compatible with the newer ash from oxygen. I can view webpages but cgi > > is broken. The weblet cgi-scripts do work when executed from the > > commandline. I don't have a running Oxygen available at the moment, but as the sh-httpd. is a shell script it shouldn't matter. I use the Oxygen ash script and after the following changes to sh- httpd (thanks to charles) it is running very fine ! So this should run on Oxygen also. the "`jobs`" seems not to function. in routine do-cgi() Change the following part of code --- esac $LOCALURL "$@" > $OUTPUT & CNT=1 while [ -n "`jobs`" ] ; do sleep 1 in esac CGI_PID="$!" CNT=1 while [ -e "/proc/$CGI_PID ]; do sleep 1 in clear text wait as long as there is a pid from the last started cgi script ( which means it is still running) until this is finished or until a timeout occurs. The timeout is triggered by increasing CNT with each loop. --- > I added updating sh-httpd to work under Oxygen as a task (assigned to me). > I'll try to get this done in the near term, before I go out of town again. I hope this is solved hereby :) > > I guess this means I'm going to finally have to get an Oxygen system up & > running...should be fun. > don't let my answer prevent this :) > Any particular version(s) of Oxygen I need to be working with, or should I > just grab the latest? > > Charles Steinkuehler > http://lrp.steinkuehler.net > http://c0wz.steinkuehler.net (lrp.c0wz.com mirror) > Greetings to all of you. Ook ewald de groeten :) Eric Wolzak http://leaf.sourceforge.net/devel/ericw ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] docs
I remember you mentioning you were going to add the print option, but I hadn;t had a chance to look at it. Works well. I need spare time. And yes, I will be putting it up on LEAF, sending it over to c0wz and seeing if David C is interested. I'm still playing around with some static page replacements for the LRP site for fun, though he has the website design mail list site going again. timesigh. To bad you can't save spare time in a bank, but then again, I'd probably never open an account. -Original Message- From: Mike Noyes To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 4/19/2001 2:04 PM Subject: RE: [Leaf-devel] Site Update Steven Peck, 2001-04-19 13:35 -0700 > I like the format. The print option is just to cool as well. Steven, I added the print option to all of our documents after Larry Platzek told me there was a problem. The format of that FAQ was produced by linxdoc. I'm only going to change the underlying tags for the rest of the FAQs. I don't plan on changing the format of the documents at this time. >On the bright side, it looks like I get to stay home this weekend and >actually finish up some stuff. Like formatting my how to and posting it >to leaf.! yah Excellent! Are you going to publish it on our phpWS? -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Site Update
I like the format. The print option is just to cool as well. to cool that the project got into the top 100 as well. My last two weeks went POOF! Went to offload and complete one time consumming family project and wham, 2 more jumped up and kicked me. On the bright side, it looks like I get to stay home this weekend and actually finish up some stuff. Like formatting my how to and posting it to leaf.! yah Steven Peck -Original Message- From: Mike Noyes To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 4/19/2001 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Site Update Mike Noyes, 2001-04-19 07:48 -0700 >I'm making a few minor changes suggested by Jeff to docid 1891 Appendix C. >In addition I'm going to use tidy to convert it to xhtml. If this works >well I'll convert the rest of the documents. I just completed this. Please review the document. Thanks. Current version: https://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=1891&group_id=13751 Previous version: http://leaf.sourceforge.net/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html If everything looks alright, I'll convert the rest of our FAQs tomorrow. On another note, we broke into the top 100 projects on SourceForge yesterday. :-) DateRank Percent of total 2001-04-15 273 87.0722 2104 2001-04-16 413 84.1843 2605 2001-04-17 393 85.567 2716 2001-04-1893 98.0125 4629 https://sourceforge.net/top/mostactive.php?type=week&offset=50 -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] Interesting LRP consumer device....
You know, Dave C is always looking for sponsers. He does seem to mention them on the LRP webpage, one of the few things that is updated regularly. -- Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sacramento, CA http://leaf.blkmtn.org > -Original Message- > From: Robert Sprockeels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 3:05 PM > To: Kenneth Hadley > Cc: LEAF-list; LRP-List > Subject: [Leaf-devel] Re: [LRP] Interesting LRP consumer device > > > Kenneth Hadley wrote: > > > amusing product > > http://www.boat.be/ > > read a little about FireWare and you'll understand why I > say amusing, though > > I do like 1U rackmounts ;-) > > Thanks for plugging my product ;-) > > > Does anyone know off hand how many LRP based consumer devices exist? > > My guess is that nobody really knows. > > Of course, there are the software derivatives, like Coyote > Linux and others > (wasn't FirePlug also an LRP-based project at the start?). > And then there are > probably hundreds of people and companies that basically searched some > convenient hardware, put one of the LRP distro's on it and > sell that as a > product. > > Actually, I guess what they _really_ sell is their Linux > know-how and their LRP > experience... because they like it, and they know it really WORKS! > > Robert > > > ___ > Leaf-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel > ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] rute
-Original Message- From: George Metz On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Steven Peck wrote: > George, > > try the rute tutorial at rute.sourceforge.net > The license is very restrictive, but it's got a good tutorial on linux and a > bit of shell scripting for free Just started reading it a little just now - will prolly stop for the evening and go to bed at this point(5:30am). Two thoughts: WOW that's a lot of info to absorb. And WOW that is one of the nastiest licenses I've seen in a while. "Oh, if you aren't using it yourself, you can't print out a copy for a friend. You could put it on a CD though and give that to them..." is essentially what he's saying. Stiff. Thanks for the resource; gonna be a lot more useful to me than just with LRP. I be in the market for a new job. =) -- George Metz Yep, that is just about the nastiest licence, the Linux Documentation Project agreed. I first found ver3 there. When I stumbled across it on sourceforge (with the new license) I mentioned it on the LDP list. They about choked. :) In any case the pulled it off their site, but when they contacted the author, he plans on changing the license when he is done. His main concern is that no one starts using it as training material till it's done. He also has a publishing deal, though he hopes to release it in an electronic version after it's published. I got distracted by Continuing Cert Requirements, so I need to start again from the beginning myself. -sp ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Mirrors and upcoming Oxygen CDROM
George, try the rute tutorial at rute.sourceforge.net The license is very restrictive, but it's got a good tutorial on linux and a bit of shell scripting for free -sp > -Original Message- > From: George Metz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 11:06 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Mirrors and upcoming Oxygen CDROM > > > On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:00:29AM -0400, George Metz scribbled: > > > The default module does, yes. However, someone of great > ingenuity out > > > there came up with an absolutely brilliant patch that > allows a masq'd FTP > > > server to do passive FTP without (much of) a hitch. It's > not a widely > > > distributed patch, and I'm not quite sure why it never > made it into the > > > base kernel source, as it sounds like it would be > incredibly useful > > > all-around. > > > > ...and it doesn't apply well to 2.2.19 -- most of it's hunks fail. > > > > I think it was 6 out of 9 hunks that failed. > > Ouch. Outright failed? Wonder what they changed. > > One of these days, I WILL learn shell scripting and C... > > Aw, who'm I kidding? =) > > -- > George Metz > Commercial Routing Engineer > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "We know what deterrence was with 'mutually assured > destruction' during > the Cold War. But what is deterrence in information warfare?" > -- Brigadier > General Douglas Richardson, USAF, Commander - Space Warfare Center > > > ___ > Leaf-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel > ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] German LRP Faq
No problem. With luck I'll have an update for you soon, so might as well leave it there. :) On the nuking of the text version, I was cut'n'pasting from the text version when I suddenly needed to leave, so I rahter hurredly shut down my system and just said Yes to everything. One of the things I said Yes to, was Document has changed, save? DOH! @#)*&%*() I have all of it in the xml format though. Still need to work on all the errors, but I'll get it. ------ Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sacramento, CA http://leaf.blkmtn.org > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > It's prolly not ready, but I'm doing lots of little c0wz updates, > so I added it...and I put it where "Materhorn FAQ" used to be. ;) > > Er, if you weren't ready for everybody to look at it..sorry. > > -- > rick -- A mind is like a parachute... it only works when it's open. > ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] German LRP Faq
O., :) I accidently nuked the text format on it. I figure I want to add the firewall option, and have the list and Brian take a brief look at it before we put it on leaf and c0wz. My goal is to have it done by Friday. I'm switching off eigerstein2beta on wednesday (if all goes well). I will be using the doc as a step by step guide so that I can catch any errors(hope) and it should be done. (except for the stuff I want to add in later :) So, by Friday it should be ready, if not, I'll let it go anyway. ------ Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sacramento, CA http://leaf.blkmtn.org > -Original Message- > From: Mike Noyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 5:15 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Leaf-devel] German LRP Faq > > > Steven Peck, 2001-04-02 15:45 -0700 > >Huh what?? Sure > >What guides? > > Steven, > I think the document below makes a wonderful 2.9.8 > Installation Guide. Has > Brian Boonstra taken a look at it yet? > http://leaf.blkmtn.org/LRP2.9.8-HowTo.html > > Development Tasks > https://sourceforge.net/pm/task.php?group_id=13751&group_proje ct_id=5259 21164 LEAF Installation Guide 2000-11-04 2001-04-04 0% -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] German LRP Faq
David & Steven, Is it alright if I publish your guides on our web site? -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ Huh what?? Sure What guides? -sp ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] Progeny Debian
Well, I took George's advise and installed the RC2 of Progeny Debian. It did take a few installs to get it all done, but it was fast. On 2 install attempts, it did not find my video card (Matrox G400) on the third it did. But when it finished, it evidently didn't like my non alpha numeric passwords and refused to let me in. When I re-installed and used an alpha numeric password it worked just fine, so for now, it's staying protected (I like complex passwords). Overall, it looks good, now I just have to get beyond the 'now what' stage and play with it. :) I think, I'll try the documentation tools and speaking of next, how's the openssh going Rick? Steven Peck ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] German LRP Faq
OK by me. Now that some of my re certification tests are done and are no longer a constant drain on my time, I can finally finish out my how to and get that project off my back. :) Steven Peck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 4/2/2001 12:33 PM Subject: [Leaf-devel] German LRP Faq Hello all, especially Mike, charles,Ray, Steven, Jack, Rick, and all others that provided Documentation to this Project on the Leaf site. I started to make a new German Documentation for the LRP with an guide howto setup an lrp for dsl, isdn,ppp etc. A part of this step by step guide i will setup as a faq. I found a lot of the Documentation parts of our doc site at leaf very clear, and compact. (better than I can explain it ;) ) So my question is. Is it okay to use some parts of this explanation for a free translation ? I will put the names of the original contributors to a section "people who contributed to the original english faq" with a link to the documentation site. So your names will be mentioned, but not for every question the specific name. Has anybody anything against this approach. BTW. The final documentation will be in my developer page on the leafsite replacing the ISDN specific introduction, there is now. Greetings Eric Wolzak http://leaf.sourceforge.net/devel/ericw ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] OK, this was too funny
Now, the standard disclaimer of I don't normally do this applies, BUT I thought it was too funny, and there's a good chance that some of you haven't seen this page: How To Write Unmaintainable Code http://mindprod.com/unmain.html ------ Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sacramento, CA http://leaf.blkmtn.org ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Functional Admin -kudos
I have to go with David here and I think it deserves a mention. You are coordinating work on an Open Source project. You have been driving force and crucial to installing and maintaining the website (you then found a better solution and made it happen :getting help counts), coordinating and writing documentation, doing the backend administrative work on getting a CVS tree going, setting up/manageing multiple mail lists, ftp permissions, Sourceforge updates and issues. Gathering a consensus on a variety of disparate issues (color, theme, logo, style, directory structure, now CVS) from a set of developers, and misc contributors of varying techinical levels and interests.) You have 'brought' in folks (Pim) by making them aware of what we are doing here. Regular updates/notification of Sourceforge issues. Prompting for standards in Documentation, etc. This is a synopsis. I've been on paying contracts that were not as well managed/coordinated. This is something that you can probably add to your resume in some fashion. Heck, I'll give you a reference letter if you want. :) ------ Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://leaf.blkmtn.org -Original Message- From: David Douthitt To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3/30/2001 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Packages in PatchManager & CVS Mike Noyes wrote: > > David Douthitt, 2001-03-30 09:23 -0600 > I'm a barely > functional admin for this project. I disagree vehemently! This project has better documentation than I've seen almost anywhere else on Sourceforge; the PHPWebSite is phenomonal. ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [OT] RE: [Leaf-devel] bitwar (was New release of Oxygen (Marc h 2001))
> Hee... I may do the same. Assuming I leave my system at home > that is. I found out today that the employee co-location room was > upgraded two weeks ago; all the machines now live on a 100BaseTX switch, which feeds into a VERY large Catalyst - also at 100BaseTX - and from there feed into a router with dual OC-3 backbone circuits. Oh, the temptation > of it all > =) > > -- > George Metz I am NOT jealous. REALLY! I mean it! ------ Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sacramento, CA http://leaf.blkmtn.org ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [OT] RE: [Leaf-devel] bitwar (was New release of Oxygen (March 2001))
My thanks, Downloading Progeny as I type, this will pretty much kill my Unreal Tourament games for a short while. I'll put it on my 'old' P200 system with 128 MB of ram. Should be a fairly solid little trooper. When I get comfortable with it, I'll build up my PPro 150 and put it on a real DMZ, just like a grown up network. :) ------ Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sacramento, CA http://leaf.blkmtn.org > -Original Message- > From: George Metz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 10:52 PM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: [OT] RE: [Leaf-devel] bitwar (was New release of > Oxygen (March > 2001)) > > > On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Steven Peck wrote: > > > fine. When I get Debian to install satifactorily, I do > have a long term > > goal of replacing my IIS server with a Debian Apache > system, and my seperate > > Exchange server with a qmail setup. Just got to get a > stable understandable > > Linux system installed and tested first. :) > > I strongly recommend, if you have the bandwidth and a CD > burner, that you > download and try Progeny Debian (ftp or http at > archive.progeny.com) for a > go. It's based off of a fairly recent snapshot of Woody, and while > somewhat bleeding edge - glibc 2.2, 2.4.x kernel options, XFree 4.0.2, > etc. - the install is simply amazing. I did the Custom install for > Progeny. It was exceedingly straightforward. It gave me a > fair amount of > options. > > And it was easier than installing Windows with default > settings. I kid you > not. > > I'm not sure if the installer is part of Woody, or if it's > Progeny's own. > It autodetected ALL of my hardware, including my mouse for X > - something > that SaX2, one of the best X autoconfig programs to date has been > consistently unable to do - without even a glitch, and gave me base > package options to install based on groups. > > If you're looking for a way to play with Debian and you have a spare > system, Progeny is where it's at. My only disappointment is that it > doesn't come with an option to install on ReiserFS out of the > box; and few > enough distros do that anyways that I'm not concerned about it overly > much. > > -- > George Metz > Commercial Routing Engineer > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] bitwar (was New release of Oxygen (March 2001))
ROFLMAO! Information Technology of the company STILL hasn't got that w2k build fixed yet?? I won't mention the company names (how you like it there? It's been 3 months since I left so I got 3 more months before I can get hired without contract penalties, if they offer of course) Though W2K std build not company-ized does boot much faster. You just don't get the option to strip out unneeded stuff to speed up boot time at install. There is one group at the facility I worked at that did switch completely to Linux on their desktops and laptops though. My home w2k system works just fine. When I get Debian to install satifactorily, I do have a long term goal of replacing my IIS server with a Debian Apache system, and my seperate Exchange server with a qmail setup. Just got to get a stable understandable Linux system installed and tested first. :) Well, back to studying. ------ Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sacramento, CA http://leaf.blkmtn.org > -Original Message- > From: Jack Coates [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 9:45 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] bitwar (was New release of Oxygen (March > 2001)) > > > now now, let's all play nice before someone gets an eye put out. > Besides, everyone knows that real men use links :-) > > Mozilla 8.1 is nice -- I use it on Win2K and Mandrake 7.2. > I'm actually > getting excited that it might not suck when it hits 1.0. > > Did I mention that Win2K sucks?? Work laptop is an IBM > Stinkad T20 with > 800Mhz PIII and 256 MB RAM (!). Mandrake boots in 120 seconds. Windows > boots in 6 minutes (both IT build and fresh install). Right-click > something in Windows -- five second pause to display a context menu. > The general responsiveness is Win95 on a fast 486 with lots of RAM. If > one foolishly tries the suspend feature, upon resuming work the system > process jumps to 100% CPU util until reboot. Outlook 2000 is > so unstable > I had to put a batch file calling the fixmapi.exe program into my > startup. > > For comparision my home desktop is a K6-2/400 with 128 MB. > Subjectively > twice as fast -- granted I'm using a different application > set, but Star > Office is usable (can't say that about the P200 I used to > have), Gimp is > speedy, Netscape is quite quick. > > There's my non-productive message for the day... > -- > Jack Coates > Monkeynoodle: It's what's for dinner! > > On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Matthew Schalit wrote: > > > George Metz wrote: > > > > > > > > (Lets face it gang, ain't no UNIX browser out there > > > that matches up to IE5, no matter how much I want Mozilla > to succeed) > > > > > > IE5 is p@@p. > > > > I happily run Netscape Communicator 4.61 w/128 bit > > strong encryption on UnixWare 7.1.1. > > > > You gone to the Dark Side, huh? > > > > Boo. > > George="$DarkSide" > > Boo. > > > > George works for M$... I never > > would've guessed. > > > > Sigh. > > > > ___ > > Leaf-devel mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel > > > > > ___ > Leaf-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel > ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] WebSite links
Mike, Perhaps we should add Debian in their as LRP is based off Debian. If so, I'll look up some posibly relevant 'general' information links next wee. Also, perhaps links to ?lineo? for busybox. Again, I can do this next week when I get back home if that's all right. Steven Peck -Original Message- From: Mike Noyes To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3/23/2001 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] WebSite links [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2001-03-22 14:44 -0500 >On Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 11:38:42AM -0800, Mike Noyes scribbled: > > Rick, > > How about including the url just above the "Added On:" text. Take a > > look at the Embedded Linux Consortium link for an example. Let me know > > if that is what you're looking for. > >I don't like it as much as my idea, but it is sufficient. :) Rick, All Web Links are changed. :) -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] New Disk images / Distributions
We ought to name them after weeds. Because even with the small contribution I make, it is consuming my time like weeds are consuming my yard. This was a joke btw. I'm learning a hell of a lot doing this stuff. I like the proposed naming convention. Steven Peck -Original Message- From: Charles Steinkuehler To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3/23/2001 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] New Disk images / Distributions On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 01:42:00PM -0800, Mike Noyes scribbled: > Charles, > My two cents. > > MML - Mountain Maple LEAF > Mountain Maple Leaf > http://wcd.saultc.on.ca:8900/dendro/webpages/mmtnleaf.html OK, the Eiger part of EigerStein needs to go because the new images will be based on LRP 2.9.8. The Stein part of EigerStein needs to go because even though I may do lots of work on the new images, I don't want to convey the impression that I'm the only one working on them...in fact, I'd like to play as small a role as possible (got 'bots to build, you know). So...How about major releases indicated by a particular family (genus?), like Maple, and individual releases indicated by specific variety (species?...I'm forgetting how the 5 latin catagories fit with common names...). This would give something like: 1st major release: Silver Maple Incremental releases: Sugar Maple Red Maple Japanese Maple etc... 2nd Major release: White Oak Incremental releases: Burr Oak Pin Oak Live Oak etc... If this seems OK to everyone, we just need to start fighting about which plant family to start with, or just let me (or my wife the landscape architect/gardener) pick one. Of course, each release would also have a numeric version/revision ID to avoid ambiguity, but names are easier to remember & market. Charles Steinkuehler http://lrp.steinkuehler.net http://c0wz.steinkuehler.net (lrp.c0wz.com mirror) ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] New Disk images name
I think the new image should remain hard to spell. :) Kilamanjaro? Maybe change the series name completly Sea - because install is such a breeze Plastic - because it can recycle old hardware Aluminum - see above and it retains the charm of spelling Forget - once it's installed, you can forget it's there Should be more ideas somewhere :) ------- Steven Peck[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Website traffic
I can see why they would disable it. I actually met a PR outreach guy from VA Linux at the last Linux User group meeting I went to. This reminds me, several 'new' people to Linux were griping about the lack of a 'screen shots' option on the default sourceforge configuration option. Which is why I thought Pim's inclusion of screen shots (and presentation) on his site, was so funny. In any case, I have only set up Webaliser on a Win2k/iis5 box, but if you can get the log files compressed and emailed on a regular basis (daily?), it wouldn't actually matter where Webalizer 'analyzed' them would it? When I was testing my config file, I pulled the log files out of the directory and ran them on a seperate system. Perhaps we could do that. The output is a series of web pages and some graphics. Hm...must give this some thoughts. I really have to get to work on setting up my Linux box as my replacement web server....in my copious spare time... Steven Peck -Original Message- From: Mike Noyes To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3/22/2001 9:56 AM Subject: RE: [Leaf-devel] Website traffic Steven Peck, 2001-03-22 09:41 -0800 >Mike, > >Are these 'unique' visitors or page hits? Steven, I believe they're hits. :( It's still a significant jump from the prior traffic on the site. It's getting close to the old linuxrouter.sourceforge.net site, which averaged about 3000 hits a day. >Not having gotten to far into Sourceforge's setup yet, I take it you have >access to the leaf.sourceforge logfiles? Would something like Webalizer >work if so? Yes, but the SF staff has disabled Webalizer cron jobs because of the excessive load placed on the shell server. I've never setup Webalizer, so any information you have is welcome. :) -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Website traffic
Mike, Are these 'unique' visitors or page hits? Not having gotten to far into Sourceforge's setup yet, I take it you have access to the leaf.sourceforge logfiles? Would something like Webalizer work if so? Steven -Original Message- From: Mike Noyes To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3/22/2001 9:18 AM Subject: [Leaf-devel] Website traffic Everyone, We received 4196 visitors since moving to phpWebSite (includes data from the old phpWebSite too). The SourceForge statistics page is incorrect. Here are the stats from the phpWebSite "Client Stats" page. Browsers Internet Explorer 27.87 % (1170) Netscape 69.33 % (2910) Opera 0.929 % (39) Lynx0.738 % (31) Unknown 1.119 % (47) -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] phpWebSite header & backup
Much better than phpWebsite ;) -- Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sacramento, CA http://leaf.blkmtn.org > -Original Message- > From: Mike Noyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 7:30 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Leaf-devel] phpWebSite header & backup > > > Everyone, > I modified the default theme header for our site. I'm not completely > satisfied with the results yet, but I thought it was time for some > feedback. Let me know what you think. > > As soon as I figure out the correct sed syntax for stripping > admin and user > passwords from our MySQL database, I'll make backups of our > website public. > > -- > Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ > > > ___ > Leaf-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel > ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Status & I'm back online
-Original Message- From: Charles Steinkuehler To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3/21/2001 9:52 AM Subject: [Leaf-devel] Status & I'm back online Well, I've returned home (hopefully for a while this time), and am starting to make a list of all the LRP things I haven't gotten to recently that need to get done. Once I get caught up on e-mail (600 messages in the LRP list, but they go quick), paying bills and the like, I plan on digging in and doing some long-overdue LRP stuff. Welcome back The first thing on the list is to fix my web server. I have a new system built, and am about 90% done with a HOWTO that goes through installing 2.9.8 as a thin-server system with ROOT ON A SCSI RAID array (ie no root ramdisk). Hopefully, some of what I did can mesh nicely with ladybug. I also need to re-structure my site so the content integrates nicely into SourceForge, seperate the downloadable files from the web content, allowing the ftp and web to access the same file repository, and various other general housekeeping. Finally, I need to bring my co-lo site online, which will likely become my primary site, unless bandwith usage forces me to migrate to SF's free bandwidth. sounds like fun. I welcome any input or help on restructuring/updating my site. I will likely also migrate away from FrontPage 2000 for web development, since other folks may be editing the site. I'm currently thinking about going with DreamWeaver, but would appreciate thoughts on this as well. DreamWeaver rocks. It also costs a bit, but ver4 (just upgraded) is even smoother than ver3. I have't really even run through the advanced features yet. I'm trying to keep my stuff 'simple' yet elegant and FAST. Dreamweaver also has a 'check out' and 'check in' function so that multiple people don't step on themselves. The templates also work MUCH better for link consistency. With Front Page, another drawback is that after a while you can tell immediatly that a site was created with FP. With Dreamweaver, you start with a blank Page, though they do have downloadable templates. Once you create a template, you define 'edititable' regions in it. You then create your pages off the Template. Add a Menu item? Fine, add it to the template and it updates ALL your pages. To cool. Other items to deal with once the web site is taken care of: - Updated weblet lrp: Incoprerate web page enhancements from list members Include bandwidth monitoring java applet Add connection keep-alive support - IPSec V1.8 (or maybe 1.9 by now) - Setup snmp/mrtg (and write HOWTO) I actually wrote this up and then promptly misplaced the file. If I can find it, I'll send you what I did. - Updated EigerStein images There's a task on SourceForge that I was going to start on when I got back next week. If you are going to do it, then I'll take myself off of it. If you want help, let me know specifically what you need done. Current plans call for the PC-104 system to become the controller in my next robot (a middle-weight for the May 24-27 BattleBots event in San Francisco). H...well off to battlebots site to see about ticket information. That's like a 90 minute drive. Charles Steinkuehler -- Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://leaf.blkmtn.org ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] DocBook primer info
As Jeff pointed out below, I evidently got it wrong. On the LDP ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) mail list, someone posted this url which is a nice simple overview of some of it.
RE: [Leaf-devel] does the lrp project have any response to this
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Now, what I have done, is downloaded the XML source for > the LDP's Authors > > > Guide and I am using that as a template for my how to. Simple eh? > > "Plagiarize... don't let it evade your eyes..." :) > > [...] > > -- > - > Jeff NewmillerThe . That was bad. I'll have to think of a devastating reply to that horible pun later. and I meant the XML source of the LDP. :)-- Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sacramento, CA http://leaf.blkmtn.org ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] XML Linux Doc Project
Mike, It's a fairly low traffic list with brief bursts of activity. When I let them know the How To I was working on, I got an email from a member of the Free-SWAN project asking me to notify her when it was done so she could update the links on the how to page to point to LRP instructions, they have a link to Charles' page. Also, she mentioned 1.9 was coming out. ------ Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sacramento, CA http://leaf.blkmtn.org > -Original Message- > From: Mike Noyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 6:44 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Leaf-devel] does the lrp project have any > response to this > > > Steven Peck, 2001-03-19 02:18 -0800 > >Here's a brief brief, not verified for errors, but it'll do > for now. Mike > >probably knows more. :) > > Steven, > I wouldn't count on it. I still haven't written my first document in > DocBook XML 4.1. The Troubleshooting Request HowTo was > written in LinuxDoc, > and we used LyX for the LRP Q&A. > > >The whole thing is in transistion and standards approval for > XML support > >(which the LDP Authors How To recommends) just started about 2 months > >ago. They are updating the docs and such, but as recent LDP list > >discussions that I and another started indicate, they too are a > >volunteer organization that is struggling to keep up. > (Though I had a > >pretty good rant on their list myself -did you see it Mike N? :) The > >problem is that their Authors guide wasn't updating when I > started and > >my and one others prompted the update. > > I missed it. I'm not a member of [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm a > remember of > the psgml-user list though. I guess I should join the > linuxdoc.org list. > > DocBook: The Definitive Guide > http://docbook.org/tdg/html/docbook.html > > -- > Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] does the lrp project have any response to this
Well, Worse for me. I'm a cross over NT sys engineer, though I did start in DOS. I'll give you a clue, then I have to go to bed. If you would like I'll do a brief summary of what I've figured out. I'm probably going to do it anyway. Here's a brief brief, not verified for errors, but it'll do for now. Mike probably knows more. :) The LDP Authors guide is being updated as we speak, and they have released a newer version this last week IU think. SGML is the older, more robust standard that has been around a while. The tools are more advanced, the documentation is more developed, etc. The whole thing is in transistion and standards approval for XML support (which the LDP Authors How To recommends) just started about 2 months ago. They are updating the docs and such, but as recent LDP list discussions that I and another started indicate, they too are a volunteer organization that is struggling to keep up. (Though I had a pretty good rant on their list myself -did you see it Mike N? :) The problem is that their Authors guide wasn't updating when I started and my and one others prompted the update. Worse than slaughtering HTML, different. With HTML you say BOLD or ITALICS or CENTER, etc. With Docbook you don't. You say words and the DTD when fed through Openjade with determine HOW the emphasis is handled. In HTML it might be BOLDed, in PDF it might be italisiced, whatever the DTD rules said. One other guy whom I started corisponding with is in the same boat. I may do a 'cross' over guide for what I have learned int he last month. I also have O'Reilly's Learning XML book. Near as I can figure, a DTD is an instruction set for how 'tagged' text is expected to be handled when it is converted to a format. ie. words here If you render that in HTML, then it will behave one way, but if you have it render into PDF or RTF format, then the DTD determines 'how' that will look in that form. You can write your own DTD's, but I figure the experts have one they agree on, so I will use it. You also have to have to run it through a third party (openjade in this case) engine to do the conversion, if the engine thinks your document (source code) has problems, then it will puke and give you a line number to check. I have to figure out how to do the that step in a few days when I am done. Evidently, there can be no errors. Now, what I have done, is downloaded the XML source for the LDP's Authors Guide and I am using that as a template for my how to. Simple eh? In any case, nite all, WAY past my bedtime. -- Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sacramento, CA http://leaf.blkmtn.org > -Original Message- > From: Matthew Schalit [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 1:18 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] does the lrp project have any > response to this > > > Steven Peck wrote: > > > > > ...DocBook... > > > > I finally filtered through all the technical jargan and I > have re-written > > most of what I have, added a bit. Next up is validating > with OpenJade. > > 'Course I have to get that to work, but I have confidence > that I will get > > the tools to work. > > > > After all, it isn't following the instructions, it figuring > out what the > > hell the instructions mean. :) > > > > > > No doubt! I'm still pissed off about trying to understand > the DocBook FAQ which starts off by telling me that DocBook > is an sgml dtd or something. For the love of Pete! > I just wanted the thing to compile and go away. > > I've got no clue what dtd is, a fertilizer? > I have a bad feeling it has to do with slaughtering html. > What the heck is going on here? I came from a time when > there wasn't any Windows Web Server, and any sane person > ran CERN httpd on Unix. Mosaic was just as good as > Netscape 0.94beta as long as you didn't ask it to print. > Everything was aligned along the left hand margin, and > you _liked_ it. So who came along and said a bunch of crack heads > could make sgml dtd's? > > I know, it's the people who think we still run Materhorn :) > > Must be time for a nap :-/ > Matt > > ___ > Leaf-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel > ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] does the lrp project have any response to this
Nope, Thanks though. I'm, making progress. I finally filtered through all the technical jargan and I have re-written most of what I have, added a bit. Next up is validating with OpenJade. 'Course I have to get that to work, but I have confidence that I will get the tools to work. After all, it isn't following the instructions, it figuring out what the hell the instructions mean. :) ------ Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sacramento, CA http://leaf.blkmtn.org > -Original Message- > From: Mike Noyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 6:44 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Leaf-devel] does the lrp project have any response to this > > > At 2001-03-15 13:03 -0800, Steven Peck wrote: > >I'll have to add a tftp item in my ongoing doc effort (dumb docbook > >format -I'll get it understood yet :) > > Steven, > If you're having problems with DocBook, I'll do the > conversion for you. > Note: David is still waiting for me to do this for the > "Developer Guide". > > >Well, maybe we could write an article (someone else > mentioned this idea > >first) on the 'current state of the LRP/LEAF project' for > submission to > >the Linux Gazzette. I would be happy to help someone out with that. > >The LG FAQ mentioned that HTML versions of it were available > in one of > >the contrib directories of Debian. Such an article would > probably be a > >good thing for the LEAF site too. > > There is now an article on our new phpWebSite with Jeff and > your rebuttals. > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/phpwebsite/ > > -- > Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ > > > ___ > Leaf-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel > ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Doh! noreply, not bounce
RE: [Leaf-devel] Curious about Egierstein2BETA
Mike, That's who it was. I thought someone had, which is why I asked. Oh, someone on the update list bounced email. I got a bunch of noreply@sourceforge messages. I'm working through my webmail setup so let me know if you want more details on the bounce's and I'll post more tonight. ---- Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://leaf.sourceforge.net -Original Message- From: Mike Noyes To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3/16/2001 8:10 AM Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Curious about Egierstein2BETA Charles Steinkuehler, 2001-03-16 09:31 -0600 > > I'm curious, did Charles' Eigerstein2BETA ever get updated? I know > > someone else was going to take over as maintainer, but I haven't > > noticed an upate on Charles' site on it. > > > > I have a friend who is setting up his new network, and if there is an > > updated image, I'll use that, otherwise I'll use the one I updated. > >Not to the best of my knowledge... Charles, Didn't Kenneth and Dale volunteer for this (see fw messages below)? I just created a task_id 28011 for this purpose. Update beta2 images https://sourceforge.net/pm/task.php?func=detailtask\ &project_task_id=28011&group_id=13751&group_project_id=5766 >From: "Kenneth Hadley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Home Page Development >Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 05:47:57 -0800 > >Yes > >- Original Message - >From: "Mike Noyes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 5:36 AM >Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Home Page Development > > > > At 07:20 AM 2/14/01 -0600, "Charles Steinkuehler" > > > > Is anyone interested in maintaining the EigerStein images? >From: Dale Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Home Page Development >Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:36:11 +1030 (CST) > >On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Mike Noyes wrote: > > >I'd even like to see maintence of my disk images picked up...I'm > > >obviously dropping the ball, as I have yet to even update the images > > >with the latest dhclient package...just too busy. > > > > Is anyone interested in maintaining the EigerStein images? > >What would it involve? I am interested in doing something. -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Curious about Egierstein2BETA
Ok, If you want I'll put the one I updated on my site, if you want to grab it. I just dropped in the updated weblet and the updated dhclient, the other stuff is beond me at the moment. No time bandwidth left, though I am near completion on a few projects. :) Yahoo. Then I get to over commit again. :\ Fun stuff eh. at least you arn't bored. I started a contract in January and well, to say I am underutilized would be an understatement. I have to swipe work from my co-workers. ------ Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sacramento, CA http://leaf.blkmtn.org > -Original Message- > From: Charles Steinkuehler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 7:32 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Curious about Egierstein2BETA > > > > I'm curious, did Charles' Eigerstein2BETA ever get updated? I know > someone > > else was going to take over as maintainer, but I haven't > noticed an upate > on > > Charles' site on it. > > > > I have a friend who is setting up his new network, and if > there is an > > updated image, I'll use that, otherwise I'll use the one I updated. > > Not to the best of my knowledge... > > I'm almost done with my massive move project (I go home Tuesday), so > hopefully I'll get to work on LRP things again... > > Charles Steinkuehler > http://lrp.steinkuehler.net > http://c0wz.steinkuehler.net (lrp.c0wz.com mirror) > > > ___ > Leaf-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel > ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] Curious about Egierstein2BETA
I'm curious, did Charles' Eigerstein2BETA ever get updated? I know someone else was going to take over as maintainer, but I haven't noticed an upate on Charles' site on it. I have a friend who is setting up his new network, and if there is an updated image, I'll use that, otherwise I'll use the one I updated. Thanks, ------ Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sacramento, CA http://leaf.blkmtn.org ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] phpWebSite Vote
> > Everyone, > phpWebSite v0.7.6 was just released. > http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu/article.php?sid=35&mode=threade d&order=0 -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ That is one seriously different themed website. In the midst of all my other fun, I'll have to download it and figure out themes. ------ Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sacramento, CA http://leaf.blkmtn.org ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] phpWebSite Vote
My vote is for the phpWebsite. One quesiton though, why didn't you use the built in Survey for this question? :) j/k I'm actually implementing phpWebsite at home, looks like lots of fun. -Steven Peck -Original Message- From: Mike Noyes To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3/12/2001 9:19 AM Subject: [Leaf-devel] phpWebSite Vote Mike Noyes, 2001-03-09 08:21 -0800 >We still have a potential security problem with this software. I'm investigating possible solutions at this time. Everyone, Eric and I now feel that the phpWebSite security is sufficient for our needs. Please vote on whether we should change over to phpWebSite, or remain with our current site. phpWebSite http://leaf.sourceforge.net/phpwebsite/ Current site http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ -- Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [LRP] [Fwd: [Leaf-devel] Linux based Access Point]
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > So, an AP is the _only_ machine to which a client talks, > it does not talk to other clients on it's LAN. Also, APs > use IAPP to allow roaming, which a regular bridge would > be incapable of. > > Additionally, before this discussion found it's way to > the LRP list, it was said that communications between > client and AP are not allowed to be picked up by other > clients, protected with a password-like name [and some > sort of encryption?]. > > An AP is at least those functions in addition to a bridge. > > > Larry > -- > rick -- A mind is like a parachute... it only works when it's open. > > ICQ# 1590117 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) > Help with LRP: http://lrp.c0wz.com Home page: http://www.c0wz.com Where I previously worked, they were installing something like this so that laptops could roam and be used in conference rooms without needing to run Ethernet cable. However, the actual connections was an ipsec ppp tunnel. As far as the laptops were concerned, they were using RAS to connect to the network. -- Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sacramento, CA http://leaf.blkmtn.org ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] phpWebSite
That site is too cool. I'm going to have to download and play with itno waitsigh I have way to many hobbies. Ah well. I'll finish up my docs first. It's coming along nicely though. ------ Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sacramento, CA http://leaf.blkmtn.org > -Original Message- > From: Mike Noyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 2:44 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Leaf-devel] phpWebSite > > > Everyone, > Eric and I installed phpWebSite v0.7.5pl2 here: > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/phpwebsite/ > > phpWebSite > https://sourceforge.net/projects/phpwebsite/ > > I think this software will help us. Opinions? > > -- > Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ > > > ___ > Leaf-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel > ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Pardon me while I shoot myself. =) DOH!
DOH! - WARNING - While using a hammer to strike a nail, do not strike self with hammer and do not drive nail into self. -- Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sacramento, CA http://leaf.blkmtn.org who has not had any recent* DOH moments *Defined - recent - a time period lasting approximately 5 minutes to 5 days depending on the reliability of my memory at any given moment. -Original Message- From: George Metz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 1:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Leaf-devel] Pardon me while I shoot myself. =) What a week and a half. For those who were wondering why I was being totally silent for the last week and a half, my DSL line went down Friday before last. We had a power outage in my neighborhood, and in the process, Something Went Kablooey(tm) on my router. After replacing the disk, then the drive, I got fed up with it for a bit, and just plugged in my main box to the DSL line, so I could at least get e-mail. And then I discovered that I was getting 90% packet loss on average. Oh Joy. I called Speakeasy. They called Covad. Covad ran a loop test, and saw a hard short on the line. Real easy to spot, somewhat of a pain to fix on occasion. Covad sets up a Verizon dispatch for Tuesday AM. Verizon comes and goes before I realise they're there, and only knew they were because of the fact that I saw the truck pulling away. Still no change. Call Speakeasy. They tell me that my worst fears are true: The ticket was referred to Verizon Cable Maintenance for work. Cable Maint will only EVER tell you that it takes three to five business days to complete. I suck it up. Thursday rolls around, I've been down for 6 days. I call Speakeasy. They tell me it's fixed, I tell them it's not. They call Covad, Covad runs loop test, find resistance - the baby brother of a hard short - on the line, and want to send out VZ. Okay. Fine. About now, I'm getting worried, because Covad's Service Level Objectives - not agreements - state that they'll make two dispatches on best effort to fix an ADSL or RADSL line. This includes Verizon Dispatches. I also smell a rat, since my DSL Modem has been synced the entire time. I call back Friday. They haven't set up the dispatch; they need availability. (They don't really, since Verizon never even enters the building. That, and I already gave it to them once.) I give it to them. I call Monday afternoon. They STILL have not set this up, because they never got the availability times. I'm getting really pissy at this point, because I could troubleshoot the issue myself a HELL of a lot better than this. So, I call back Tuesday. Apparently, the Monday through Friday dispatch times weren't working for them the first time, so I resubmit. They set it up, and they go out and fix it today, at around 6:50pm EST. STILL have 90% loss. I start looking at my LAN. Three things. One, RADSL - which is all that Covad sells these days - is REALLY REALLY impressing the hell out of me. With the issues on my circuit, there is NO WAY that ANYTHING should've gotten through. In fact, the DSL Modem never should have been able to sync up. Two; the second router disk I made had a flubbed config or two. Not sure how, but hey. Also, the drive had failed, so I needed to swap that out. Three; I have a very very expensive NIC in my system - 3Com 3c905C w/complete remote management capabilities - and it DECIDEDLY does NOT like autonegotiation with a SpeedStream 5260 DSL Modem. 10Mbit doesn't cut it. So if you're still with me to this point, the reason I was away was that I was down for a week and a half due to a misconfigured syslinux.cfg file and a NIC that doesn't like to work right unless it's running at 100BaseTX. I hate when that happens. -- George Metz Commercial Routing Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] "We know what deterrence was with 'mutually assured destruction' during the Cold War. But what is deterrence in information warfare?" -- Brigadier General Douglas Richardson, USAF, Commander - Space Warfare Center ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Question about Syslinux v.1.52
Oddly enough, I just tested the syslinux v1.52 Sunday night. It worked just fine and seemed fast. 1.48 worked fine for me, but 1.50 worked erratically if at all. The only thing in the docs WARNING: There seems to be a bug in some recent experimental Linux kernels that causes floppy disk corruption when using the Linux syslinux installer. This bug exists in kernels 2.1.79-2.1.86; as far as I know the bug is fixed in 2.1.87. -- Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sacramento, CA http://leaf.blkmtn.org icq 106449757 -Original Message- From: Kenneth Hadley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 7:34 PM To: [LEAF-dev] Subject: [Leaf-devel] Question about Syslinux v.1.52 I finally got around to testing syslinux v1.52 today and it appears mister Anvin (syslinux's creator) has fixed the bugs that where causing mayhem for LRP Kernels Can anyone else confirm the fact that the new syslinux v.1.52 works for them ? AND am I going nuts when its seams to load the kernel MUCH quicker now? My test bed machine (that used to fail with any version of syslinux higher than v.1.48 but works with v.1.52) is a Cyrix - 266MX -Kenneth Hadley ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] Updating tasks
Mike, OK, I've started updating the Documents page section 2 and added one item to FAQs sec06. Now, how do I update the Tasks sections of the task assigned? Steven ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] LDAP chown to "dummy"
Mike,
Seeing as I haven't set up a directory yet, is this something I won't have
to do when I shell in for the first time?
Steven
-Original Message-
From: Mike Noyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 7:29 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] LDAP chown to "dummy"
At 09:14 AM 2/9/01 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>On 9 Feb 2001, at 14:39, Mike Noyes wrote:
>
> > Thanks! I just verified that this works. I should have tried the archive
> > switch before.
>
>Don't you need the -R switch to recurse?
David,
-a is a shortcut for -dpR
> > $ cd /home/groups/leaf/htdocs
> > $ mv yourname ..
> > $ cp -a ../yourname .
> > $ rm -rf ../yourname
> > $ cd /home/groups/ftp/pub/leaf/devel
> > $ mv yourname ..
> > $ cp -a ../yourname .
> > $ rm -rf ../yourname
>
>How about this?
>
>#!/bin/ksh
>
>HTTP_HOME=/home/groups/leaf
>FTP_HOME=/home/groups/ftp/pub/leaf/devel
>
>tag () {
>cd $1
>[ ! -f $2 ] && exit 1
>mv $2 ..
>cp -a ../$2 . && rm -rf ../$2
>}
>
>tag $HTTP_HOME $1 || echo "http: err!"
>tag $FTP_HOME $1 || echo "ftp: err!"
>
>makes a nice program to put in somewhere...
Yes it does, and I'm glad someone can write things like this. As you are
already well aware, I'm probably the most inept admin in the history of
unix.
Free time has its virtues though. :)
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RE: [Leaf-devel] Embedded Conferences
I like the idea of a weekend day myself. Depending on where, and when I could do a Friday evening as well. I don't drink[alcohol], but as long as Diet Coke is available I'm fine. Being on a tight budget right now precludes a conference for me.(Can't take the time off work and doing contract work precludes getting paid for it, sigh) Course, that brings the question of just where everyone is? Heck, I can day trip on many weekends (barring plans made by the wife) I know Jeff is in Davis, which is a stones throw from me (also, he mentioned being at some Wine festival in Lodi, CA on a weekend that I happened to be down there at a friends house once). Mike's in the Bay area. Charles is out in the midwest and Rick out on the East coast? Oh, I'm in Sacramento, CA ------ Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sacramento, CA http://leaf.blkmtn.org icq 106449757 -Original Message- From: Ray Olszewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 6:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Embedded Conferences At 05:14 PM 2/5/01 -0800, Mike Noyes wrote: >At 03:49 PM 2/5/01 -0800, Jack Coates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... >I was thinking of the "Internet Appliance Workshop" (Feb. 20-21) or the >"Embedded Systems Conference" (April 9-13). Can't make the first one, but I plan to be at the April Conference, probably for 3 days (Wed.-Fri. ... ah, the joys of an employer with a training budget!). >>Of course, if the conferences don't work out well there's always the >>King's Head in Campbell. I'm sure all of us could recommend some sort of >>similary enjoyable establishment :-) > >Not a bad idea. This would allow us to get together on a weekend. Depends. I don't know the place Jack suggests, but the name sounds like a bar. As a non-drinker, I find bars about my least favorite place for socializing. -- "Never tell me the odds!"--- Ray Olszewski-- Han Solo Palo Alto, CA[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] FAQs sec02: Sources and Resources
Mike, I figured out how to get my HowTo posted, what fun eh? I wasn't sure on what protocol to follow when updating this stuff. I mean I could have edited it but... Hmm... I wonder what setting it to Pending would have done? So, ther I was poking around the documentation section looking for empty fields and such when I checked FAQs sec02: Sources and Resources Under the Link -> Main Sites. There is an entry for lrp.plain.co.nz that probably needs to be deleted. Matthew Grant has to all intents abandoned LRP and the link goes to a default Apache install page. :) hmmm. while preparing this email, I noticed that most of FAQs sec02 was in need of updating. As I am updating a personal leaf.blkmtn.org page in preperation to setting up a sourceforge page, I would be willing to go through a update the fields of that section if that is all right. ------ Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sacramento, CA http://leaf.blkmtn.org icq#106449757 ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] Updated HowTo -where should it go?
Well, where does the time go? My month went away; in summary; new job, holiday, signed for a house, sick, better new job. Where the heck does the time go. In any case, I get some system play time tommorrow, whe. On a side note, someone who interviewed me looked at my website and asked what I did in my spare time other than computers, fortunatly I do have other actively persued hobbies, or I don't think I would have gotten the job :) (Quote from Interviewer, "Your learning the LRP for fun?") Ah well, I've finally been able to update and test my HowTo SSHD doc. My questions is, where should it go? I need to send it to Rick over at c0wz, but it looks like it could also go into the Documents FAQ sec08. Currently it's at http://www.blkmtn.org/leaf.html but I think tommorrow I am going to add a virtual server called leaf.blkmtn.org tomorrow to better organize my content. Also, Mike, should I go ahead and start a page for my stuff up on sourceforge? (ie leaf.sourceforge.net/sepeck ) Let me know. I can finally get back on track with some of my other projects. 2.9.8 doc and ipsec ptp tunnel here I come. :) ------- Steven Peck[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sacramento, CA -USAwww.blkmtn.org/leaf.html comming soon http://leaf.blkmtn.org ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Interesting article with a more interesting refe rence...
Perhaps that quote should go on the web site's front page? > -Original Message- > From: George Metz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 11:12 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Leaf-devel] Interesting article with a more interesting > reference... > > > As I was reading my way through Slashdot today, I came across the > following article, listed as, "...if you read one article > referenced from > Slashdot this month, this should be the one." It's the > transcript of an > interview with Eben Moglen, general counsel of the Free Software > Foundation. > > Part One is here: > > http://www.immaterial.net/page.php3?id=44 > > The following reference is from Part Two. It's long, but interesting. > > "The Cisco world consists of selling at exorbitantly high > prices routers > which use proprietary software. So, in order to know how to program a > router you have to know Cisco-talk. They spend vast amounts > of money in > junior colleges on vocational educational systems to teach people > Cisco-talk, and those kids graduate with Cisco certification, > they go to > work in the businesses that need network infrastructure, and > they install > Cisco hardware. There's a bilateral monopoly between technically, > vocationally trained people, who have learned a proprietary > way of doing > things, and a manufacturer which sells goods at very high > markups, because > it has a proprietary, secret language. > > Now, the router is in fact not a complicated entity. Many years ago we > created, spontaneously, a thing called Linux-router.org, > which is simply a > way of providing a Linux kernel optimized for routing in a > very flexible > little package that fits on a 1.44 floppy disk, and routers > are in fact > throwaway boxes - a strong router is a 100 Mghz 486." > > Good to know that we've got the kudos of the FSF. Good job, Dave, and > everyone else out there who's done anything to make LRP a little bit > better. > > -- > George Metz > Commercial Routing Engineer > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ___ > Leaf-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/leaf-devel > ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] [LRP] Kernel 2.2.18 and misc stuff
> I'm also looking for a home for the tarball, as I have other
> plans to use that webspace, so if anyone's willing... =)
>
> --
> George Metz
> Commercial Routing Engineer
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Greetings,
Why don't you use sourceforge space? Or are there limits on that?
If not, give me a few days and I can probably come up with some space on my
home site for a bit, though it is not one of the main sites, hell, it's not
even a minor site:).
Mike just initiated me to the project (so, is it true that due's get cheaper
as you contribute more stuff? J/K :) and I haven't had time to read through
all the Sourceforge documents. So much to read. Then we have Mike sending
little helpful messages about document formats in sgml (doclib) or some such
nonsense and offering to convert if I don't have time to myself. As if Mike
has time :)
But seriously, his comments were constructive and beneficial. I downloaded
the doclib how to and am trying to figure out what program I am going to use
to write up my stuff with (ie, that which is compatible and might as well do
it 'right' and learn some more stuff as well). I currently use EditPlus,
which is a nifty extensible editor for windows, they don't have an SGML lib,
but they do have an XML one, that I can probably use as a template if it's
necessary to write my own. I also restumbled accross the Rute manual, which
I abused my work printers with and printed out to whip through. SO maybe
soon now I can start taking proper advantage of my full distro Linux box and
just write it on that.
I know what Mike's title/description off that list should be.
Project Manager, that or 'nice cattle prod sir'. (j/k) He does seem to be
coordinating a lot of this stuff, then again, my perceptions could be wrong,
smack me if they are.
Also
Distributor/Promoter
Content Management
Advisor/Mentor/Consultant
In the mean time, my current projects are
Rewrite Brian Boonstra's LRP howto 2.9.4 doc
-so far I have pulled from my experiance,
-several readme's and a few emailed suggestions,
-and my own limited experiance.
future if no one beats me to it (please beat me to it.)
-Note I do not say short term, just that vague future.
Step by step ipsec tunnel ppp how to instructions,
-so we don't have to say read frees/swan docs
-just read this, and if it's not enough, go read Free/swan docs.
Volunteer to assist with cleanup of developers how to docs so the developers
can spend more time playing with code.
-like Jack C, if I can help, I certainly will.
Learn this stuff better so I can contribute more than just docs.
Get my logo on paper and scanned.
I was thinking of tux wearing a traffic cop hat (though firemans hat seems
popular here) overlaid on a background image of a floppy disk with the 4
arrow router schematic on the label, perhaps masking part of the router and
floppy more.
'Course, LRP, is not just for floppy's anymore.
text squiggle atempt
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| <-|+ |= |
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Though for simple, Pedro's logo is cool.
I'm trying to think of a simple graphic that would suppliment Pedro's logo
as well. perhaps something on the style of the Doclibs penguin with a
firemans hat. More subtle and stylised. hhmmmmmust think. oh crap,
another project.:)
Fun stuff eh wot?
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RE: [Leaf-devel] LRP List maintainer -never mind :)
Never mind, it seems to be working again. > -Original Message- > From: Steven Peck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 6:41 PM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: [Leaf-devel] LRP List maintainer > > > All, > > Who is mainntaining the LinuxRouter list. I seem to have > been kicked off > and the list admin page fails with list not found or timeouts. > > Just trying to get back on > > Steven Peck > ___ > Leaf-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/leaf-devel > ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Leaf-devel] LRP List maintainer
All, Who is mainntaining the LinuxRouter list. I seem to have been kicked off and the list admin page fails with list not found or timeouts. Just trying to get back on Steven Peck ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] LEAF Home Page Design
> talking about netscape, how should we address the browser > compatibility > issue, should we create one set of all-complying pages or a > double set of > pages with redirection based on client applied? > > yes I know, so much discussion about it and I could not catch it. :) > One site page. Managing one set of pages for info is work enough, but on a volunteer basis is hard enough. Supporting multiple browsers on a volunteer project is a formula for burn out and burn out is bad. 'Sides, if it's a straight forward site, day to day maintenence can be distributed amoung sections . The problem is going for the Least Common Denominater(LCD). I hadn't though of trying for the page design, but I just might now, time permitting :(. For instance, LCD Screen size width choices 640 800 1024 pixels wide? Check out www.sierrafoothill.org (site I support on a volunteer basis, still have stuff to add) It's set for a 640 wide screen -actually 610 so the up/down scroll bar will fit on the screen up/down scroll bar good left/right scrollbar BAD! 'course the audience for Sierra Foothill is not techie. With techies we could probably go for 800 to 1024 width. I vote for the 800 wide as I like to see what's in the background as I work on my reasearch. Tables that arn't hard set cause difficulties with Netscape 4 versions and can do really funky things. Browsers - I'd set Netscape 4.07 and ie 5.0 as the least common denominators, I for one don't bother to test anything lower than that. I have enough crap on my system as it is and I'm not about to reload more if I don't have to. :) -SP ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Home Page cleanup
Way cool. I'll have to get my logo entry together this weekend. :) hmmm...LEAF Linux Embedded Appliance Firewall think what visuals that brings to mind. And yep, I got a few early emails on the list, then no more. I was thinking it was real low traffic till I saw references while cleaning up my LRP list mail. 'course if I hadn't been so busy with 'real life(tm)' I might have noticed sooner. In any case, the resubscription seems to have taken so, as a former boss used to say, 'it's all good'. -sp > -Original Message- > From: Mike Noyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 5:33 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Leaf-devel] Home Page cleanup > > > At 04:00 PM 12/4/00 -0800, Steven Peck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >All right, > > > >What's the rules on the logo entries? I joined the early > list but got > >dropped off and want to help out. > > Great! There aren't any rules, and all contributions are appreciated. > Links to the current entries are here: > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ > > Regarding the list, were you dropped from leaf-devel? > > -- > Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ > > ___ > Leaf-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/leaf-devel > ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [Leaf-devel] Home Page cleanup
All right, What's the rules on the logo entries? I joined the early list but got dropped off and want to help out. Thanks, SP > -Original Message- > From: Mike Noyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 2:28 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Leaf-devel] Home Page cleanup > > > Everyone, > I my css in an external file, and cleaned up the indentation > of the html. I > haven't corrected the sub pages yet. Let me know if the html is > understandable now. > > http://www.mindspring.com/~pnoyes/leaf/index.html > http://www.mindspring.com/~pnoyes/leaf/leaf.css > > I'm still trying to use css to fix the original SF html I > copied. I know I > probably missed some obvious css corrections. I'd appreciate > any help that > simplifies my entry. > > I'm going to work on my logo entry for the rest of the day. > > -- > Mike Noyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ > > ___ > Leaf-devel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/leaf-devel > ___ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/leaf-devel
