Re: [Leaf-user] List Manager filters
On Tuesday 19 March 2002 01:26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't let any of my systems know that, as I've been connecting to AOL through various LRP and LEAF derived firewalls for a LONG time. So long, in fact, that I was part of the original AOL beta when they first permitted access from an ISP other than AOL. Right, I was expecting this. AOL is not your connecting ISP. LEAF isn't dialing up AOL and attempting to authenticate service with them. that won't work to my knowledge. I wasn't attempting to say that BYOA won't work through LEAF. Sorry! I presently connect via the AOL clients for Windows and PocketPC. If, that is, this message makes it through moderation and on to the list :-P Nice to know that we can get messages through from AOL! ;-) -- ~Lynn Avants aka Guitarlynn guitarlynn at users.sourceforge.net http://leaf.sourceforge.net If linux isn't the answer, you've probably got the wrong question! ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user
[Leaf-user] List Manager filters
Subject was: Sudo in Cgi At 2002-03-17 18:56 -0800, Matt Schalit wrote: Mike Noyes sent mail to Phillip and me off the list explaining how he's doing some behind the scenes moderating of leaf-user to filter out html posts and whatever else is on his list of no-nos. It was news to me, but it's not meant to censor or prevent people from posting. Rather it's just another helpful attempt on his part to keep things workable around here. I'm not sure about your .bat file or what else is discouraged. Everyone, I'm filtering our leaf-user list on header Content-Type. The only two types that post without getting flagged for administrative action are: text/plain, and multipart/signed. Note: this means that posts with attachments will not reach our leaf-user list. I'm sending this message to people who have their messages held. Please configure your email client [1] to send text/plain messages to this list. If you are unwilling to do this, you can submit a support request using the LEAF Tracker [2]. [1] http://www.expita.com/nomime.html [2] https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=13751atid=213751 If you have any questions about this policy, please send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Most people are able to configure their email client in a couple of minutes, and resend their post. The few that run into problems I try to help to the best of my ability. This change increased my list manager workload. However, I believe it avoids the periodic please don't post with html threads, and other problems. Also, I think this makes our digest easier to read (I need to verify this). Is this change to draconian? -- Mike Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user
Re: [Leaf-user] List Manager filters
* Mike Noyes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Everyone, I'm filtering our leaf-user list on header Content-Type. The only two types that post without getting flagged for administrative action are: text/plain, and multipart/signed. Note: this means that posts with attachments will not reach our leaf-user list. It seems fine to deny text/html since it can muddle people with normal MUAs and no web browser installed, but what is the problem with attachments? Isn't it more convenient to read attachments if you feel like it than to have to wade through a long inline attachments that _might_ have some salient text at the end? I don't know. I'm just asking. --- Chad Carr [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user
Re: [Leaf-user] List Manager filters
Mike Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 03/18/2002 09:09:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Phillip Watts/austin/Nlynx) Subject: [Leaf-user] List Manager filters Is this change to draconian? Works for me. ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user
Re: [Leaf-user] List Manager filters
Plain text attachments might be fine. I personally prefer a long inline attachments myself, but that's a matter of taste. In any case, there are other types of attachment, such as MS Word .doc files, that create both potential security problems (for Windows users) and inconvenience (for Linux users). Attachments can include executables of many forms. Allowing text/html, BTW, also raises security issues, not just onscreen unreadability for those of us with non-HTML'ized MUAs. Overall, I like Mike's approach. I only wish the bounce message could be configured to explain the problem automatically, instead of requiring Mike to send a personal followup. At 07:20 AM 3/18/02 -0800, Chad Carr wrote: * Mike Noyes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Everyone, I'm filtering our leaf-user list on header Content-Type. The only two types that post without getting flagged for administrative action are: text/plain, and multipart/signed. Note: this means that posts with attachments will not reach our leaf-user list. It seems fine to deny text/html since it can muddle people with normal MUAs and no web browser installed, but what is the problem with attachments? Isn't it more convenient to read attachments if you feel like it than to have to wade through a long inline attachments that _might_ have some salient text at the end? I don't know. I'm just asking. -- Never tell me the odds!--- Ray Olszewski-- Han Solo Palo Alto, CA[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user
Re: [Leaf-user] List Manager filters
Is this change to draconian? I don't think this is draconian, but you can probably save yourself some list admin work. I suggest some additions to the auto-responder e-mail: 1) Indicate that attachments (other than a GPG signature) are not allowed, and instead should be included in-line with the main e-mail body. This would also be a good place to mention any length limits currently in place. 2) Add a details section indicating the two Content-types allowed (and any other specifics not already mentioned)...while there should be a clear and basic description of list filtering for the average HTML e-mail user, we should also provide clear details for those users who can understand and use them. Suggested form of alternate auto-response below...please modify for exact list behavior (ie are html e-mails rejected, dropped, or queued for administrator examination? What about messages with attachments?). I think with a bit more detail in the bouce message, you can lighten your administrative load substantially... NOTE: I removed the part about creating a SF support request. The mail list works the way we as a group decide it should...there should't be an SF support request just because someone can't post with their favorite HTML stationary, add GIF smiley's, or whatever... Charles Steinkuehler http://lrp.steinkuehler.net http://c0wz.steinkuehler.net (lrp.c0wz.com mirror) Maybe something like: This list rejects HTML e-mails, and does not allow attachments. Please configure your email client [1] to send text/plain messages to this list. [1] http://www.expita.com/nomime.html Instead of attachments, you should include any diagnostic information as in-line text in the main message body. Please note the maximum size for any message is ??? bytes. Details: Only messages with a Content-type: of text/plain and multipart/signed are automatically posted to the list. Other content-types are: which one?...maybe more than one? - Queued for administrator inspection - Sent to the bit-bucket - ??? more filtering details here, re attachments, spam filtering, etc If you have any questions about this policy, please send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user
Re: [Leaf-user] List Manager filters
At 2002-03-18 07:51 -0800, Ray Olszewski wrote: Plain text attachments might be fine. I personally prefer a long inline attachments myself, but that's a matter of taste. In any case, there are other types of attachment, such as MS Word .doc files, that create both potential security problems (for Windows users) and inconvenience (for Linux users). Attachments can include executables of many forms. Ray, I couldn't have said this any better. Thanks. Overall, I like Mike's approach. I only wish the bounce message could be configured to explain the problem automatically, instead of requiring Mike to send a personal followup. I do too, but it doesn't look like that feature was added to Mailman 2.1. [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.1 beta 1 http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/msg08437.html This new feature is going to be really nice: ~ There is a new per-user option that can be used to avoid receipt of ~ extra copies, when a member of the list is also explicitly CC'd. -- Mike Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user
Re: [Leaf-user] List Manager filters
At 2002-03-18 09:50 -0600, Charles Steinkuehler wrote: Is this change to draconian? I don't think this is draconian, but you can probably save yourself some list admin work. I suggest some additions to the auto-responder e-mail: Charles, Unfortunately, there is nothing auto about the response. good suggestions snipped NOTE: I removed the part about creating a SF support request. The mail list works the way we as a group decide it should...there should't be an SF support request just because someone can't post with their favorite HTML stationary, add GIF smiley's, or whatever... I added the SF support request option to cover people who have employers that attach mime/html footers to all outgoing mail. I probably could have expressed this better. Maybe something like: Note: I don't think we need to specify the maximum post size (64Kb). Very few text/plain messages will exceed this size. Revised edition below: Please configure your email client [1] to send text/plain messages to this list. Instead of attachments, you should include any diagnostic information as in-line text in the main message body. [1] http://www.expita.com/nomime.html Details: Only messages with a Content-type: of text/plain and multipart/signed are automatically posted to the list. All other content-types are held for administrative action. Alternate Support: If your employer attaches a footer to all outgoing mail that isn't text/plain, you may submit a support request using the LEAF Tracker [2]. [2] https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=13751atid=213751 If you have any questions about this policy, please send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. -- Mike Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user
Re: [Leaf-user] List Manager filters
[...] good suggestions snipped NOTE: I removed the part about creating a SF support request. The mail list works the way we as a group decide it should...there should't be an SF support request just because someone can't post with their favorite HTML stationary, add GIF smiley's, or whatever... I added the SF support request option to cover people who have employers that attach mime/html footers to all outgoing mail. I probably could have expressed this better. [...] Alternate Support: If your employer attaches a footer to all outgoing mail that isn't text/plain, you may submit a support request using the LEAF Tracker [2]. Please forgive my usual absent mindedness ... but what actually happens when someone submits a support request? Who sees it and acts on it? Have we gotten any, and have they been handled well? I'm not trying to criticise whoever handles these things ... I'm more inclined to empathize with any difficulties he or she faces. But the strength of the list is that *many* knowledgeable people see the questions, so even if an occasional wrong response gets posted, the correct one is also likely to be provided. If the support requests reach a smaller audience of troubleshooters, the chances of either a mistake or no response at all go up. Neither is a good thing. -- Never tell me the odds!--- Ray Olszewski-- Han Solo Palo Alto, CA[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user
Re: [Leaf-user] List Manager filters
At 2002-03-18 10:56 -0800, Ray Olszewski wrote: Alternate Support: If your employer attaches a footer to all outgoing mail that isn't text/plain, you may submit a support request using the LEAF Tracker [2]. Please forgive my usual absent mindedness ... but what actually happens when someone submits a support request? Who sees it and acts on it? Have we gotten any, and have they been handled well? Ray, I had the SF tracker setup to forward new SF tracker support requests to the leaf-devel list. You may have noticed ocasional posts from [EMAIL PROTECTED] These were forwards to the leaf-devel list on new tracker submissions. I just changed this to forward to our leaf-user list for support requests, and post on every change to the request. New SF support requests are auto assigned depending on the category selected. Our project summary indicates: * Bugs (1 open / 10 total) * Support Requests (5 open / 14 total) * Patches (26 open / 33 total) * Feature Requests (1 open / 8 total) The backlog in our Patches will be corrected once I get our packages tree setup in CVS. I try to monitor all of our SF trackers periodically. Note: I'm not doing a very good job with this. :-( I'm not trying to criticise whoever handles these things ... I'm more inclined to empathize with any difficulties he or she faces. But the strength of the list is that *many* knowledgeable people see the questions, so even if an occasional wrong response gets posted, the correct one is also likely to be provided. If the support requests reach a smaller audience of troubleshooters, the chances of either a mistake or no response at all go up. Neither is a good thing. Agreed. Do you have an alternate solution for companies that add incompatible footers to outgoing mail? -- Mike Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user
Re: [Leaf-user] List Manager filters
Hi, I run some mailing lists and use demime to strip html and other crap out of incoming submissions, both to the list proper and to the list-request address. It is my understanding that the latest AOL mail program is incapable of sending email that is NOT html. Bill Dudley At 2002-03-18 09:50 -0600, Charles Steinkuehler wrote: Is this change to draconian? I don't think this is draconian, but you can probably save yourself some list admin work. I suggest some additions to the auto-responder e-mail: Charles, Unfortunately, there is nothing auto about the response. good suggestions snipped NOTE: I removed the part about creating a SF support request. The mail list works the way we as a group decide it should...there should't be an SF support request just because someone can't post with their favorite HTML stationary, add GIF smiley's, or whatever... I added the SF support request option to cover people who have employers that attach mime/html footers to all outgoing mail. I probably could have expressed this better. Maybe something like: Note: I don't think we need to specify the maximum post size (64Kb). Very few text/plain messages will exceed this size. Revised edition below: Please configure your email client [1] to send text/plain messages to this list. Instead of attachments, you should include any diagnostic information as in-line text in the main message body. [1] http://www.expita.com/nomime.html Details: Only messages with a Content-type: of text/plain and multipart/signed are automatically posted to the list. All other content-types are held for administrative action. Alternate Support: If your employer attaches a footer to all outgoing mail that isn't text/plain, you may submit a support request using the LEAF Tracker [2]. [2] https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=13751atid=213751 If you have any questions about this policy, please send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. -- Mike Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user
Re: [Leaf-user] List Manager filters
At 2002-03-18 15:15 -0500, William F. Dudley Jr. wrote: I run some mailing lists and use demime to strip html and other crap out of incoming submissions, both to the list proper and to the list-request address. Bill, Demime and stripmime are only available to list admins. I'm just a lowly list manager. The SF staff takes care of our list admin work. It is my understanding that the latest AOL mail program is incapable of sending email that is NOT html. Instructions for AOL 7.0 users are pending. I'm sure Gerald Boyd would be interested in any information you have on AOL 7.0. http://www.expita.com/nomime.html#aol7 -- Mike Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ http://leaf-project.org/ ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user
Re: [Leaf-user] List Manager filters
On Monday 18 March 2002 14:15, William F. Dudley Jr. wrote: Hi, I run some mailing lists and use demime to strip html and other crap out of incoming submissions, both to the list proper and to the list-request address. It is my understanding that the latest AOL mail program is incapable of sending email that is NOT html. hehe, you can't connect to AOL with LEAF anyway unless they make their secret authentication method un-secret! Good suggestion though!!! -- ~Lynn Avants aka Guitarlynn guitarlynn at users.sourceforge.net http://leaf.sourceforge.net If linux isn't the answer, you've probably got the wrong question! ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user
Re: [Leaf-user] List Manager filters
guitarlynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I run some mailing lists and use demime to strip html and other crap out of incoming submissions, both to /snip/ It is my understanding that the latest AOL mail program is incapable of sending email that is NOT html. hehe, you can't connect to AOL with LEAF anyway unless they make their secret authentication method un-secret! Good suggestion though!!! ~Lynn Avants aka Guitarlynn /de-lurk/ Don't let any of my systems know that, as I've been connecting to AOL through various LRP and LEAF derived firewalls for a LONG time. So long, in fact, that I was part of the original AOL beta when they first permitted access from an ISP other than AOL. I presently connect via the AOL clients for Windows and PocketPC. If, that is, this message makes it through moderation and on to the list :-P /lurk/ -Jim Velasquez ___ Leaf-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user
