Re: [LU] First XI

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Let’s concentrate on the positives

1. After 2 games, someone on the board may be having the same thoughts about 
the style of ‘football’ Farke is setting us up to play?
2. After 2 games, we now know that our ‘strength in depth’ is but a theoretical 
proposition!
3. After 2 games, even Farke must recognise our lack of midfield creativity is 
crippling?
4. After 2 games, we now know, unequivocally, that Paddy, who I’ve always been 
a fan of, is going to be of very limited use this season
5. After 2 games, our defensive set-up has gone to sh*t
6. Finally, after 2 games, the board will realise that unless we invest in some 
quality players this is going to be a really fractious season!

All that learnt after just 2 games 🙂

> On 14 Aug 2024, at 22:48, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Total dog shit 
> 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
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> 
> On Wednesday, August 14, 2024, 10:40 PM, Nick  wrote:
> 
> Tonight mostly proved that Farke did know his best XI on Saturday.
> 
> 6 conceded in two home games isn’t good.
> 
> Fair play to Boro, they deserved it.
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Re: [LU] It Starts Again

[John Lee via Leedslist]

First game, we didn’t lose, as I thought we were going to, thanks to Aaronson, 
but Aaronson’s miss made the draw feel like a defeat! That said, it was good to 
see his run into the box and create the chance!

So many similarities with last season - ok, only 1 game in, so no need for 
panic, but until either our existing squad ‘learn’ how to finish chances, or we 
buy someone who knows how to do it, this is Groundhog Saturday forever! Joseph 
looks ok, but he’s no Aiden Butterworth even, let alone Alan Smith! Piroe looks 
ponderous, despite a couple of good passes, whilst Bamford was desperate to do 
something but realistically his best days must be behind him? We just have 
no-one who challenges in the penalty box! Or challenge effectively/quickly. 

I thought Bogle looked pretty good at first, until suddenly he wasn’t where he 
should have been, twice, and they scored. I have no idea where Firpo was 
playing today? 

Finally,  Sky’s pundit Courtney Sweetman-Kirk, was really f***ing annoying. Not 
because she is female, but I’d go a long way to avoid listening to that 
clap-trap again. Mute was on for the 2nd half! I generally don’t believe in 
conspiracies, but Sky’s choice of commentary for our games is enough to make me 
start! 






> On 10 Aug 2024, at 15:51, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Oh and the ref - terrible. All over the place
> 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
> 
> On Saturday, August 10, 2024, 3:41 PM, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just on train back. Weird weather, weird game. Should have been 10-3 but it 
> wasn’t. Aaronson missed best chance of match with the last kick of the match. 
> He did come on and score though. I thought the subs killed us, totally 
> disrupted our play and there was no options at all on the wing.I think Pompey 
> are a well organised side and they took their goals really well however we 
> were adopting some really weird tactics in the first half. For a period of 
> around 25 mins we dropped to a back 3 with Struijk at LB, Rodon centre and 
> Bogle army Rb which left Firpo to play at right wing  Crazy. Their 1st 
> goal , Bogle was on the left of midfield totally out of position- ball was 
> played into acres of space for the Pompey left winger. Really poor tactics 
> from us.Their pen, I was in North East so can’t really comment but it looked 
> harsh and if it wasn’t tgen it was shit defending.How easy did Meslier make 
> it for him ? Fuck me, how shit are we at saving pens. At least stand up and 
> make him put it in the corner. He was down on the floor before the Pompey guy 
> had started his run up. Piss poor. I would have done better.
> Other thoughts:Rothwell - got journeyman written all over him. Not the player 
> you bring on when pushing for a winner. I did say that about Gruev’s first 
> game so hopefully he’ll improve.Rutter - usual mixture of being unplayable 
> and great passing followed by losing the ball and down icing half the game on 
> the ground. 
> Joseph - I was impressed, he looks fit and strong and was unlucky not to get 
> a goal. Not sure about Ampadu in midfield. He got through a lot of work but 
> he looked at times like a central defender playing in midfield.
> Aaronson - wish he’d put that chance away. I wasn’t happy with him leaving 
> but not gonna boo the lad and I reckon he’ll do well this season. He’s good 
> at this level .Willy - I thought he was poor but he took his goal well. 
> Time for some refreshment ! .
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> On Saturday, August 10, 2024, 12:18 PM, Robert Heath 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah I'm nervous about being the overwhelming favourites. Apart from owt
> else it means we'll have to deal with It's-Your-Cup-Final Syndrome every
> away game, with the stadium (for once)  full of baying inbreds and bang
> average players suddenly deciding to play like Zidane or Messi because they
> are facing the (Not Famous Anymore, oh not not at all) Mighty Whites
> 
>> On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 11:03 AM Kevin Lewis via Leedslist <
>> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>> 
>> So, it all starts again.
>> This year, only the top 2 will suffice.  The huge reduction in parachute
>> payment for year 3 in the Championship would financially reduce Leeds to a
>> run-of-the-mill side at this level when compared to the teams who would
>> come down.
>> 
>> Am I optimistic? Well not entirely. Leeds have never borne the mantle of
>> favourites well.  The current first XI look good, but I have serious doubts
>> about the transfer team getting in the 3 players they admit to needing, let
>> alone replacing anyone else who leaves in the next three weeks.
>> 
>> Today's probable squad looks good on paper, and it helps that for the first
>> time in years, we are injury free. But 2 or 3 injuries would expose the
>> lack of numbers, which will be needed later in the season.
>> Looking at Jonathan Rowe, he appears to be a right footed winger, who like
>> Gnonto prefers to play on the left.

Re: [LU] "Fascist thugs", J.Boocock

[John Lee via Leedslist]

I should think quite a few of our ‘enlightened’ fanbase are involved in this 
utter stupidity. On the night Harehills experienced some ‘activity’ a few weeks 
back some numb-nuts was ranting with me that there was a convoy of ‘Leeds lads’ 
(sic - fat old racists and their batmen) ready to drive in to ‘sort it out’! 
Aside from a swift trip to jail/hospital they’d have sorted nothing! 

I suspect there’ll be some attempts by the numb-eratti at games to get some 
anti-immigrant chanting established, and I hope to f*** the rest of the ground 
shouts them down! I saw pics of 3 delightful ladies from Hull, fresh off their 
broomsticks with no front teeth, saying how very much they’d like their country 
back! I hadn’t realised thick pantomime dames even had their own country?


> On 6 Aug 2024, at 16:46, John Boocock  wrote:
> 
> I heard that too Robert.
> 
> As I said though it didn't get a mention on Saturday afternoon.
> 
> Remember though that lots of these events are populated by offcumners.
> 
> Betty
> 
>> On 06/08/2024 15:40, Robert Heath wrote:
>> Interesting that mention was made on here of the "fascist thugs" who are
>> infesting the country at the moment.I'm wondering how many of
>> the FTs who tried to burn down a hotel in Rotherham (and indeed the chap
>> from Leeds arrested today for inciting hatred online) are members of the
>> brethren of the so-called Greatest Fans in the World? (I think I heard in
>> the background of news coverage of the Rotherham stramash that they were
>> chanting "Yorkshire, Yorkshire.")
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Re: [LU] Archie Goes to Brentford

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Brentford bid rejected by the club as terms couldn’t be agreed. Beeb is saying 
Leeds reportedly wanted it done by 30 June for FFP reasons, so expect other 
bids today.

Immensely disappointing, but this is modern football - until we get a bigger 
ground we’ll never compete!



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> On 29 Jun 2024, at 22:52, Peter Castlehouse  wrote:
> 
> The beauty of FPP?  The biggest mistake LUFC could make, and sends 'déjà vu' 
> shivers down my back.
> Jamies Milner anyone?
> Good luck to Archie, though, destined for much bigger and better than 
> Brentford, although his future now depends on good coaching as much as 
> anything else...
> 
> OzPete
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of John Boocock
> Sent: Sunday, 30 June 2024 6:03 AM
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: [LU] Archie Goes to Brentford
> 
> From Leeds to Brentford £35 million deal with £5million addons. The beauty of 
> FFP
> 
> Betty
> 
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Re: [LU] Wembley a question

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Only cubicles when I went to see the Rhinos there a few years back - didn’t 
really work that well as people were pissing in the sinks instead - dirty 
bastards!
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> On 30 May 2024, at 15:17, Steve Gillen  wrote:
> 
> Try getting into the disabled accessible toilets if you happen to have left 
> your radar key on the bus. Thankfully paramedics at hand were happy to 
> open the door for me
> 
>> On 30 May 2024, at 11:20, Jon Abbott  wrote:
>> 
>> Short answer is that they were built that way to allow them to reallocate 
>> depending on the event. For most (men's footy etc) events it's 70/30 to 
>> reflect the expected crowd but was reversed for the Women's FA Cup Final 
>> (recall seeing a story complaining about lack of sanitary bins after 
>> that...). For concerts etc (Taylor Swift coming up) expect to see 50/50 or 
>> similar depending on what they expect.
>> 
>> jabba
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Leedslist  on behalf of nattan--- via 
>> Leedslist 
>> Sent: 30 May 2024 11:13
>> To: leeds list 
>> Subject: [LU] Wembley a question
>> 
>> Bit if an odd one, but when i went to the toilets at half time , i walked 
>> into the gents to be faced with a row of stalls with blokes waiting, i 
>> walked past 2 more rows of stalls and suddenly was outside without seeing 
>> any urinals.I walked to next toilet block wondering if blokes had just gate 
>> crashed the womens.The next toilets were the same so i used the stalls
>> So the question is has Wembley for whatever reason only put stalls and no 
>> urinals in the mens , or did they ' convert ' the womens into gents on the 
>> day given the proportion of males v females at football compared to a 
>> concert etc
>> 
>> Just seemed odd
>> Dave
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Re: [LU] Championship

[John Lee via Leedslist]

I’m sure every single one of us could come up with opinions, some of which will 
inevitably be correct.

*I think Farke deserves a 2nd season
*Farke/the defence needs to up his/their tactical game - 3 times yesterday 
Southampton shot from essentially the same place - 1 goal, a Meslier save, and 
a shot into our defence - obviously they had worked on this flaw!
* controversially, I think we definitely need to be rid of the Championships 
best player - cash in if possible. 
* I didn’t want Gnonto in the team after his pre-season stupidity, but he does 
at least try - however, is he just a one-trick pony - I think he’ll go as well
*another controversial one - I really do not like, at all, the way our team is 
set up to be so cautious, and the snails pace build-up - if that is Farke’s 
modus operandi then I don’t think it’s going to work? Although I concede it 
nearly did, but I still don’t like it!
* Rutter - for all his charisma and occasional bits of brilliance, it feels 
like we’re always a man light in midfield when he plays, and when the 
Championships best player is in a strop then doubly so
* petulance - all Southamptons bookings were as a result of stopping us 
playing. The championships best players lost his rag cos his shirt was pulled! 
Him and Willy are like spoilt little kids!

We’ve papered over a lot of cracks this season, but eventually they get spotted 
- there are a hell of a lot of things to be sorted out - again!




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> On 27 May 2024, at 10:54, Robert Heath  wrote:
> 
> I don't know the ins and outs of it all,but I believe it's not so simple as
> the 49ers stumping up some cash. Apparently we did not pay some transfer
> fees in full so we could massage our FFP losses...and there's supposed
> to be 170 million we have to pay now. Presumably though if we can get
> decent fees for Seville & Gnonto that might allow us some wiggle room. (Two
> players, incidentally, along with Meslier & Joseph, signed for peanuts by
> that useless know nothing Victor Orta)
> 
>> On Mon, 27 May 2024, 11:37 Simon McNally via Leedslist, <
>> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>> 
>> What are we thinking for the team next year?
>> 
>> I’m assuming Gnonto and Summerville will be off, hopefully we get some
>> fees for the loan players that jumped ship. Have heard suggestions that
>> they might try to cash in on Meslier too.
>> 
>> With the parachute payments hopefully we can get a decent team together.
>> The hope that I’m clinging to is that the 49s aren’t in this to make up
>> the numbers and will invest in the squad.
>> 
>> Here’s what I’m thinking :
>> New GK
>> New RB
>> CB Ampadu
>> CB Struijk
>> LB Firpo (can’t see there being any offers for him)
>> CM Gray (fingers crossed he stays)
>> CM Gruev
>> RW James
>> CAM Rutter (if he stays - could we sign a new 10 and play Rutter on the
>> wing?)
>> New LW
>> New CF (I’d like to see Joseph get a run)
>> 
>> S
>> 
>> Sent from Outlook for iOS
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>> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Paul Cundell <
>> p...@cundell.com>
>> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2024 10:20:38 AM
>> To: Richard Walker 
>> Cc: leedslist 
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Championship
>> 
>> "None of that team is good enough for the PL currently, not one of them."
>> I thought that after we lost to QPR tbh, if a team chasing automatic
>> promotion can get hammered by a team struggling to stay up then I'd hate to
>> see that team face Citeh, Arse or even Scum.
>> 
>> On Mon, 27 May 2024, 09:47 Richard Walker via Leedslist, <
>> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Team didn’t turn up unlike us lot who did at great expense. It was
>>> Doncaster revisited and I hate Wembley and hope I never return.
>>> I’ve got nothing to say about the match other than Summerville played in
>>> gloves, the match passed Piroe by and Rutter showed us that he hasn’t
>> been
>>> the same player since his op.
>>> None of that team is good enough for the PL currently, not one of them.
>> We
>>> got excited by the Norwich game but let’s face facts, they were rubbish.
>>> On the last train out of Kings X there were a lot of very fed up fans but
>>> all agreed that this team is a 100% championship team with a manager who
>> is
>>> a 100% championship manager.
>>> Be interested to see who jumps ship and actually who wants to buy them ?
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [LU] Championship

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Too raw and too early to be pondering on where next, but there are a number of 
players who both will depart and absolutely need to go. 

An entirely predictable afternoon’s football - with our professed attacking 
talents it beggars belief that we had to wait for Dan James to appear before we 
genuinely looked like we might score? There’ll be debate whether getting 90 
points means that the overly cautious tactics worked, or if we’d let the 
players really attack we’d have been more successful? All academic now for this 
season.

Farke definitely lost the tactical battle though, which is perhaps the most 
fundamental problem today highlighted?

Bugger!



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> On 26 May 2024, at 17:22, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> There we are. Encapsulates the season. Loads of possession. Shit set
> pieces. Pathetic shooting.
> 
> I think the management are happier in the championship, where they can win
> more than they lose, without having to take any risks.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [LU] Sunday

[John Lee via Leedslist]

For me, I think it’s hard to see this group surviving in the Premier League 
Damian - some of the group have the potential to play there, but we’ll need 
major investment in all areas if we go up. For example, much as I love Bamford, 
we can’t finish every season with our key forward injured, regardless of his 
ability to hit a cow’s arse with a banjo? 

It’ll be nice to be able to engage in Premier League conversations after the 
weekend - just hoping that’ll be the case?




> On 23 May 2024, at 08:22, Damian WALSH  wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> Now for the defeatist bit.
>> If we do lose, I am quite confident that Farke can build a side to
>> challenge in this division next year, it is what he does
> 
> For the even more defeatist bit: I'm sure that Kev is right - but I worry
> that if we don't go up this year then we will lose too many PL standard
> players this summer and then we would go up next year with a (admittedly
> good) Championship level squad and poor old Farke would find himself in the
> same position as he was in with Norwich ie going up to come straight back
> down again.
> 
> I might be kidding myself but I think our current squad doesn't need any
> drastic surgery to compete in the PL...
> 
> Damian
> 
> Le mer. 22 mai 2024 à 16:36, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist 
> a écrit :
> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [LU] Wembkey bound

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Unlucky Ted - hope you recover well though - some things are more important :-) 
Just!

A great match to watch - everything went right, even the ref wasn't too bad, 
(although their formation fouling could easily have resulted in a red on 
another night), crowd was great, but it was only when we got the 4th I really 
relaxed. I didn’t even realise until last night that Piroe could run - he 
needed a big performance and he had one - I expect he’s pretty demotivated (to 
a point) that he’s not first choice, but games like that will do him the world 
of good - Gnonto’s cross for his goal was a beauty too, although their goalie 
made it look even better?

Archie Gray though - that lad is pure class - when his brother gets to the 
first team too we’re going to look very exciting - hopefully the start of the 
next great Leeds team?

If we have the same mindset on Sunday we’ll do ok! Oh, and we need to keep 
Summerville away from dead-ball situations :-) 



> On 17 May 2024, at 10:15, Ted  wrote:
> 
> Looked (& sounded) bloody brilliant on the TV Dave!
> 
> I was gutted I missed it due to leg surgery on Wednesday - first "major"
> game I've missed since I missed out on a Paris ticket in '75!  :-(
> 
> As a season ticket holder, I'll be eligible for a ticket (I guess?), but
> I'll be struggling to walk. I'm going to try to contact the club/ticket
> office to see if I can get some sort of "disabled" ticket but I'm not
> holding out much hope of getting there.
> 
> Do people think I might get any joy from the club?  Can't say I'm confident!
> 
> Ted H
> MOT
> 
> 
>> On Fri, 17 May 2024, 09:53 nattan--- via Leedslist, 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Well that was quite nice.
>> It was pretty much the perfect game, an early goal to settle nerves and
>> put us firmly on the front foot , get a second to guve us a real hold on
>> the game, a great save by Mes that led everyone round me to go " thsts it
>> we are actually going to win, then a killer 3rd just before half time to
>> put the game to bed, then a 4th to make the scoreline reflect the match.
>> The (amost) perfect performance. We miseed a few chances at the start of
>> the second half but thats nit picking
>> We needed the real Geogie back and we got him, Piroe showed he will score
>> goals, and Gruev decided all the criticism about midfield not scoring had
>> to end with a great free kick to start us off.
>> All this backed by a lively crowd - the scarf giveaway is a bit tin pot
>> but it worked, the crowd was excellent.  As the twitter post " football
>> away days " said, no one does it like Leeds and tonight was special
>> I predict a riot and MOT at the end were magnificent
>> A very good night
>> As ive said before the play offs are unfair and the razzmatazz at the "
>> final " , even the Wembley chant covers up what it really is , a failure to
>> get automatic BUT it is the best way to do it ( IF we do jt )
>> Dave
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Re: [LU] Well

[John Lee via Leedslist]

A truly magnificent stop.

Tonight we played to our strengths - attack, attack, attack! I know Rutter got 
MOTM, but Archie was mightily impressive tonight - whilst still raw, there’s a 
bit of the Paul Madeley about him!

On this form, we can dare to dream again :-) 



> On 16 May 2024, at 23:04, Nick Allen  wrote:
> 
> Let’s hear it for Meslier, one on one at  2-0.
> 
> Yours, falling apart.
> 
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Re: [LU] Norwich

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First time I’ve ‘accepted’ the boring knock-it-around-at-the-back routine - 
ultra-cautious but got a result, of sorts, and crucially we’re not chasing a 
deficit.

Did Piroe actually touch the ball after coming on? And Summerville looks like 
he’s on his holidays already? Another stupid booking for Gnonto, although the 
ref could just have had a word?

I don’t see Thursday being an up and at them type of game either - Farke is 
way, way too cautious. The crowd could easily be a negative, as they’ll get 
frustrated.




> On 12 May 2024, at 14:28, nattan--- via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Total non event, a real damp squib, but given our recent form and defensive 
> frailties a decent outcome.
> We had a game plan which we stuck to and it worked. Not sure why we seem 
> unable to waste time / take minutes out of the game as many teams have done 
> against us, but we looked comfortable passing the bsll around at the back 
> just for the sake of it.
> 
> I did not expect much going foward once i had seen the line up and so it 
> proved,  not helped by both Summerville and Georginio having very quiet / 
> poor games.
> Gnonto looked our most dangerous threat but he spent a lot of time moaning 
> etc and picked up a daft booking.
> So on to ER with it all to play for and in the balance. 
> My wife came in with 20mins to go and said " i bet it wont be this quiet at 
> elland road" - time to ramp up the atmosphere and get behind the lads.We are 
> better than them, the table does not lie, so lets prove it
> Team selection has suddenly become more interesting,  will Paddy be fit ? Do 
> we keep 3 in midfield? Who gets the nod between Piroe and Josep if he does 
> bring one in? Will James get a start , etc etc 
> 
> Looking forward to it 
> 
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[LU] Someone turn the lights off on the way out

[John Lee via Leedslist]

We looked more like a team struggling to stay out of the bottom 4 than going 
for promotion. Out-footballed again and tactically out-smarted. 

I expect nothing from the play-offs - this is a team with no grit, no passion 
or heart, with more than half the team going through their worst form of the 
season. Worst of all, I don’t think Farke is sure of his best xi or tactics 
anymore. 

Credit to Ipswich and Leicester - they overcame their tricky patches, where-as 
we’ve just fallen apart! 

Pointless blaming certain individuals, but Firpo and Rutter gave me flash-backs 
to last season 😞 
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Re: [LU] List meet in...

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I wish I’d registered/thought about this earlier as an option, as that’s a 
great idea. Perhaps next season, assuming the Rhinos don’t get relegated, this 
could definitely be a thing? 

How’s your Dad Damien - I mailed him a couple of months back but haven’t heard 
from him? 


 


> On 3 May 2024, at 11:37, Damian WALSH  wrote:
> 
> ...Barcares or Perpignan next Satdi (the 11th) before, during and/or after
> the Rhinos game?
> 
> Anything to take our minds off the football the following day :)
> 
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Re: [LU] Saints - crowd reaction

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Yep, this season 3 teams deserved to go up automatically - that one won’t, and 
potentially a Norwich could go up is why the play-offs are so flawed, but thems 
the rules! 


> On 1 May 2024, at 19:43, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk wrote:
> 
> I hope they / we will reflect that 90 points is the current record for a 
> team finishing 3rd.
> 
> The average is 83.
> 
> 90 points is the average total for the Champions
> With 85 for 2nd.
> 
> By any measure we have had a very good season, the problem is that Leicester 
> & Ipswich have had exceptional seasons.
> 
> I hope for this, but I doubt it will happen.
> 
> Nick
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 1 May 2024, at 11:59, Simon McNally via Leedslist  
>> wrote:
>> I think a lot will depend upon the first few minutes.
>> If we come out in a positive manner and look good I think the fans will be 
>> supportive.
>> If we see a repeat of the QPR or Sunderland games I think the crowd will get 
>> a bit tetchy.
>> It will also be interesting to see the team he picks. I read before that 
>> some of the fringe players like Joffy have been withdrawn from the 23s this 
>> week.
>> 
>> Sent from Outlook for iOS
>> 
>> From: Leedslist  on behalf of nattan--- via 
>> Leedslist 
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2024 11:49:18 AM
>> To: leeds list 
>> Subject: [LU] Saints - crowd reaction
>> 
>> I wonder what mood ( apart from resignation) the crowd wil be in on 
>> Saturday. Will the players and Farke be treated as heroes for turning a 
>> season around, getting to within an inch of automatic promotion despite the 
>> huge points gap at times, and gaining an unbelievable 90pts ORWill they be 
>> treated as bottle jobs who let us and themselves down when it really counted 
>> especially the abject capitulation at QPR ?
>> Both reactions are understandable and reasonable.
>> Will it be affected by anything happening at Ipswich? How leeds would it be 
>> to hear Huddersfield have won then concede a last minute equaliser anyway ?
>> Personally i think overall they have done a fantastic job and need our full 
>> backing in the play offs but i totally understand the opposite point of view 
>> that they failed ( so far ) when it really mattered.
>> I know which of my match going mates will take which  view
>> 
>> Been seeing/ hearing a lot re play off statistics - 36 % of teams coming 3rd 
>> get promoted but leeds have lost all 5 play off attempts and have lost every 
>> final since 1972 in various competitions,  so it is very much a lottery
>> Finally i want to put on record (again) what a fraud the play off final is . 
>> It gets all the razzmatazz and build up of a real final but should be 
>> something we are ashamed to be at - 2 teams not good enough to go up 
>> properly.  Yes i will really enjoy the victory if we manage it but still 
>> think it is a fraud
>> 
>> Dave
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Re: [LU] Qpr

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You’re the lucky one Dave :-(



> On 26 Apr 2024, at 18:25, Andy Brown  wrote:
> 
> Can you not get some other man to do a job for you? Priorities and all that.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 26 Apr 2024, at 17:53, Peter Castlehouse  wrote:
>> 
>> There ya go, a man with real Yorkshire balls!
>> 
>> This Dave Nattan is turning into a right old Boocock type, always whinging 
>> eh?
>> 
>> OzPete
>> 
>> 2.52am here in Dubbo… 5am kick-off, what’s the problem again?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Richard Walker 
>> Sent: Saturday, 27 April 2024 2:47 AM
>> To: Peter Castlehouse ; nat...@sky.com; 'leeds list' 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Qpr
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> You need to get her better trained Dave. My missus would not even ask the 
>> question and would have got a friend lined up for the theatre as soon as the 
>> Friday fixture was announced.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sheff Utd away - it took ages to get way from the ground and the Motorway 
>> was rammed - lots of horn blowing and cross car banter. Managed to get back 
>> for end of Scum game then straight to local boozer where we danced on the 
>> tables with the bar manager who was a massive Leeds fan. Great day !
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Friday, April 26, 2024, 5:37 PM, Peter Castlehouse >  > wrote:
>> 
>> Oh, how I hate whingers!  
>> Take the lass out, it's not as if it's the last game of the season or 
>> anything important!
>> 
>> OzPete
>> t'original one
>> 
>> 
>> From: Leedslist >  > On Behalf Of nattan--- via Leedslist
>> Sent: Saturday, 27 April 2024 12:38 AM
>> To: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org> >
>> Subject: [LU] Qpr
>> 
>> Nerves starting to kick in. A win is essential,  i would think, and even 
>> that may not be enough - by 8pm when Hull play Ipswich their slim chance of 
>> making the play offs could be mathematically possilbe but totally 
>> unrealistic ( if wba and Norwich win in the afternoon Hull need a huge goal 
>> difference swing and for them both to lose their last game  ) - Coventry are 
>> already out of the play offs, so it is not that hard to see  Ipswich winning 
>> their last 3 , albeit they will be under huge pressure if we do win tonight 
>> Sky tv have totally f***ed me up ! I have tickets at the lowry theatre 
>> booked for  my wife and i tonight . When l booked i thought " no football on 
>> a Friday" it will be fine I am recording the game and may even be home for 
>> the last few minutes , but i doubt i will be able to watch the game " as 
>> live" and not look at the score / result,  i could possibly do that for an 
>> unimportant game but not tonight.
>> The suggestion she go on her own turned the air blue to some tune, brought 
>> up the previous 2 times i had done that to her ( around 15 and 6 years ago 
>> respectively) but" at least that was to go to the ** game and not watch 
>> the *match on * tele you " "I take it thats a no then 
>> darling "was my only reply Oh well ce la vie
>> 
>> Dave
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Re: [LU] Anyway

[John Lee via Leedslist]

And of course Nick, despite a couple of ropey games, I wouldn’t have dropped 
him either, despite saying it! Just frustration talking! 

Me and DRB had a chat about the perils of expecting our players to be 
top-quality, rather than Championship/League 1 level - I need to remind myself 
of that at times!



> On 23 Apr 2024, at 16:58, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk wrote:
> 
> 
> I think it is at least some of the story, John.
> 
> He’s the outstanding player in the league, closing in on 20 goals (at 1 in 
> every 2 games) plus another 10 or so assists, that is a season of consistent 
> returns. The fact that he has had a couple of bad games - at the same time as 
> the team is struggling - doesn’t change that.
> 
> I suppose where my tetchiness comes from is listening to knuckle-heads on the 
> Kop berating Summerville, Rutter and Rodon for being “lazy”, “not fit to wear 
> the shirt” etc in the last couple of games.
> 
> At this point all that matters is winning, and if you got to win ugly 
> (Gnonto’s offside goal!) so be it. To do that you don’t drop a guy with a 
> hand in nigh on 30 goals. He might well not have been our best player 
> yesterday, but there is an argument that he was the most effective.
> 
> Anyway, on to London… which is always easy!
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 23 Apr 2024, at 11:31, bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>> That’s hardly the story though is it Nick? But to humour you, if he’d 
>> played like his last match then yes, but he didn’t - for most of the game he 
>> turned up, scored 2 vital goals, still gave some cheap ball away, but not as 
>> much as others, and if we hadn’t adopted the 11 men behind the ball tactic 
>> he may have scored more? Or not? Who knows?
>> 
>> The story is we got 3 points, are now 2nd in the table, and have given 
>> ourselves a chance of going up automatically.
>> 
>> There are any number of words to describe a game like that - hugely 
>> entertaining, defensively awful, defensively strong, clinical in front of 
>> goal, some really sh*te lost balls (2 of which cost us goals), wasteful 
>> going forward, tactically perverse, frustrating as hell - in short, the 
>> story of our season.
>> 
>> That we held out, and scored an offside winner, was amazing. Often, it 
>> seems, we never get breaks like that? I’d have liked to see Bamford’s 
>> ‘offside’ goal again though - maybe we were robbed of that one?
>> 
>> Lots of chatter about tonights game - seems simple to me - Leicester need to 
>> lose - Southampton may come to the last game on a roll, but that is for 
>> another day - if we beat QPR and Leicester lose then some remarkable 
>> variants are possible?
>> 
>> All Leeds Arn’t We :-)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On 23 Apr 2024, at 09:57, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk wrote:
>>> 
>>> We should have dropped Summerville, yeah?
>>> 
>>> Nick
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [LU] Anyway

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That’s hardly the story though is it Nick? But to humour you, if he’d played 
like his last match then yes, but he didn’t - for most of the game he turned 
up, scored 2 vital goals, still gave some cheap ball away, but not as much as 
others, and if we hadn’t adopted the 11 men behind the ball tactic he may have 
scored more? Or not? Who knows?

The story is we got 3 points, are now 2nd in the table, and have given 
ourselves a chance of going up automatically. 

There are any number of words to describe a game like that - hugely 
entertaining, defensively awful, defensively strong, clinical in front of goal, 
some really sh*te lost balls (2 of which cost us goals), wasteful going 
forward, tactically perverse, frustrating as hell - in short, the story of our 
season. 

That we held out, and scored an offside winner, was amazing. Often, it seems, 
we never get breaks like that? I’d have liked to see Bamford’s ‘offside’ goal 
again though - maybe we were robbed of that one?

Lots of chatter about tonights game - seems simple to me - Leicester need to 
lose - Southampton may come to the last game on a roll, but that is for another 
day - if we beat QPR and Leicester lose then some remarkable variants are 
possible?

All Leeds Arn’t We :-) 




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> On 23 Apr 2024, at 09:57, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk wrote:
> 
> We should have dropped Summerville, yeah?
> 
> Nick
> 
> 
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Re: [LU] Scared

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Take That got to number 1 - they’re still sh*te :-)

If Rutter and Summerville can rediscover the form that got them the awards, 
then they should absolutely play, but if Saturday was their new level, they can 
admire their awards sat on the bench for me? Of course we need to move the ball 
quickly for either to be at their most effective, so the Meslier-Ampadu-Rodon 
slow-waltz needs to end!





> On 15 Apr 2024, at 08:22, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk wrote:
> 
> Anyway I see that those players who “should be dropped” all won awards last 
> night.
> 
> Including Summerville, player of the season in Champs.
> 
> Still eh. What do they know.
> 
> I’d rather they were lining up for us, than against us.
> 
> Nick
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 14 Apr 2024, at 20:47, Damian WALSH  wrote:
>> 
>> I think that Farke has been brilliant and I hope that he long continues to
>> be so for Leeds United.
>> 
>> But I'm pretty sure that the dropped points these last matches are down to
>> him and not the players. They are good enough to go (& stay) up but they
>> need to be let off the leash because they're not good enough to play with
>> the metaphorical hand tied behind their back. The team has got to move up a
>> couple of gears and the handbrake has to come off (preferably the other way
>> round or there'll be a horrible smell of burning) - that's almost certainly
>> down to the manager ...
>> 
>> BTW I don't want to lose any of the players - I've even warmed to Firpo :)
>> 
>> Damian
>> 
>> 
>> Le dim. 14 avr. 2024 à 18:50, John Lee via Leedslist 
>> a écrit :
>> 
>>> We will lose some/all those named, but of course if they’re not good
>>> enough to get us out of this league, then so be it!
>>> 
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Re: [LU] Scared

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We will lose some/all those named, but of course if they’re not good enough to 
get us out of this league, then so be it!

I agree too that Farke will be in a more ‘stable’ position this year than last 
too. 

All that said, I still hope we somehow find a way to get promoted this season, 
and then the fun will really start??


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> On 14 Apr 2024, at 12:17, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> If we do not end up getting promoted and lose Gnonto, Summerville, Rutter,
> Firpo as may be the case it would be difficult, but not devastating IMO.
> 
> So we may end up having to sign 9 or 10 players to replace those being sold
> or not re-signing. That’s no more than many clubs will have to do anyway,
> particularly those getting relegated from the Premier League.  I would
> argue that we would be in a better place than when Farke took over and the
> 2nd year of parachute payment is not much of a drop off compared to the
> 3rd. So we should still be able to at least compete financially with the
> teams coming down.
> 
> Ok, so the players we would keep, would be a different mixture should we
> get promoted, but the cost of recruitment and quality required would be a
> lot higher, and we would probably need 8 or 9 players anyway.
> 
> Also Farke’s record at putting together a squad to get out of the
> championship is a lot better than his record at keeping clubs there.
> KOT
> 
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Re: [LU] Scared?

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Summerville has the potential to play at a higher level, and has demonstrated 
that on a few occasions this season. He also ‘appears’ to have an inflated 
opinion of his own abilities. He is no dead-ball expert, his passing is 
conditional on whether nothing is on for him, he gives the ball away 
consistently, dives ALOT, and his shooting is patchy. I find him really 
frustrating to watch and I am surprised players don’t give him a bollocking for 
not passing quicker. I hope he refinds the form of 2 months ago, because on 
todays form, he’s a waste of a shirt. 

I think he’ll leave whatever happens this season?

Other opinions are available :-)

> On 13 Apr 2024, at 15:25, Nick Allen  wrote:
> 
> Why? He’s been outstanding.
> 
> Regularly touted by non-Leeds people as the best in the league.
> 
> Nick
> 
>> On 13 Apr 2024, at 14:36, Jim Moran  wrote:
>> 
>> I think he lost himself today
>> 
 On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 at 14:32, Ed Morrish  wrote:
>>> 
>>> UPDATE:
>>> 
>>> I’m no longer worried about losing Summerville.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 13 Apr 2024, at 12:13, Ed Morrish  wrote:
 
 I was talking to an Ipswich mate, and my general assessment of them is
>>> they’ve had an amazing season, but if they go up they’ll get battered every
>>> week - they simply won’t score enough goals against PL defences. His
>>> response was that if they didn’t go up, he was scared that they’d lose
>>> McKenna (presumably to West Han or Brighton, if vacancies arrive).
 
 So what are we scared of, if we don’t go up? I think we see the breakup
>>> of this team, and that’s worries me. It’s not like Bielsa’s first season,
>>> where we kept the team we had. We WILL lose - have to lose, financially -
>>> players like Gnonto, Cree and Rutter. Maybe not Archie this year, but DF
>>> would be starting from scratch and you never really know how a player is
>>> going to bed in, and if that causes the same disruption in September that
>>> the comings and goings caused last September, we could find ourselves
>>> chasing the pack once again.
 
 I just hope that we’ve done some work on the outcasts - what happens to
>>> Harrison, Aaronson, Rasmus et al - if we are still an EFL team next year…
 
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[LU] Susan Calman’s Great British Cities - LEEDS

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I rarely watch Channel 5, but episode 5 of Susan Calman’s Great British Cities 
is about Leeds and is actually really good - recommended for those who’d like 
to know a bit more about Leeds!
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Re: [LU] Sunderland

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>> 
>>>> To the folks who replied to my email:
>>>> 
>>>> - Did you agree with Farke's team selection?
>>>> - Did you seriously think Farke got the timing of the subs right
>>> yesterday?
>>>> - Were you happy with the way we allowed Sunderland to get set every
>> time
>>>> before we attacked them?
>>>> - Did you enjoy watching players turn and pass back to Ampadu and
>> Rodon,
>>>> and then watch them pass between themselves?
>>>> - Did you agree with the favoring of playing down the left rather than
>>> the
>>>> right for the vast majority of attempted attacks?
>>>> 
>>>> If Jesse Marsch had been stood in the dugout instead of Farke, I can
>> only
>>>> imagine the howls of indignation that performance would have provoked.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers!
>>>> 
>>>> Sean
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 08:49:39 AM EDT, Paul Cundell <
>>>> p...@cundell.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Have you been watching the same season as me?
>>>> "One long slow motion car crash"?
>>>> We're UNBEATEN at home and we've lost ONCE this year.
>>>> We've got 87 points and the manager you're so angry at masterminded
>> that.
>>>> A car crash was Jesse Marsch.
>>>> A car crash was all Orta's release clauses being triggered in August.
>>>> This is quite possibly the rarest of seasons where the third place team
>>>> could end up on over 100 points.
>>>> SMFH.
>>>> Marching On TOGETHER!
>>>> Paul
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 12:25, seanscribe--- via Leedslist <
>>>> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> You're absolutely right. I haven't been this angry at a Leeds
>> manager
>>> in
>>>>> some time. What the hell is he telling the players? We have two of
>> the
>>>> most
>>>>> devastating wingers in the league, including (possibly) the fastest
>>>> winger
>>>>> (fastest player?) in the division in Dan James. At no point during
>>>>> yesterday's game did the team move the ball to those players EARLY,
>> to
>>>>> allow them to exploit the space in front of them. Again and again and
>>>> again
>>>>> - so often that it MUST be based on orders from Farke, when the
>>>> opportunity
>>>>> for a fast break beckoned, the ball was passed sideways back and
>> forth
>>>>> between the centre-halves so that the opposition could get themselves
>>> set
>>>>> before we tried to move down the field. It was absolutely maddening.
>>>>> It wasn't just Archie, Dan James was asking for the ball in space and
>>>>> never getting it until he had two defenders on him. The whole
>> tactical
>>>>> approach seemed designed to negate our own strengths (think of all
>> the
>>>>> terrific goals we scored earlier in the season from fast breaks out
>> of
>>>>> defence). Even as the clock ticked down, our fullbacks and
>> midfielders
>>>> were
>>>>> still turning on their heels and passing it back to Rodon and Ampadu,
>>> who
>>>>> would then pass it sideways, as if we were protecting a lead rather
>>> than
>>>>> trying to score. There was a complete lack of hunger and desire
>>> evident.
>>>>> And then there's Farke's inexplicable (and inexcusable) decision to
>>> delay
>>>>> bringing on most of the subs until the 82nd minute. What on earth was
>>> he
>>>>> thinking? We had no spark on the field, looked tired and
>> uninterested,
>>>> and
>>>>> we had Gnonto, Joseph and Anthony stewing on the bench. If ever a
>>>>> collective performance was calling for wholesale changes at halftime
>> or
>>>>> shortly thereafter, it was yesterday's. I shudder to think of Farke
>>> going
>>>>> up against some of the managers in the Premier League. Like a lot of
>>>>> managers, he comes across well in press conferences, and I
>> acknowledge
>>>> that
>>>>> the EFL (deliberately, in my opinion) made his job harder at the
>> start
>>> of
>>>>

Re: [LU] Sunderland

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EDT, Paul Cundell <
>>> p...@cundell.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Have you been watching the same season as me?
>>> "One long slow motion car crash"?
>>> We're UNBEATEN at home and we've lost ONCE this year.
>>> We've got 87 points and the manager you're so angry at masterminded that.
>>> A car crash was Jesse Marsch.
>>> A car crash was all Orta's release clauses being triggered in August.
>>> This is quite possibly the rarest of seasons where the third place team
>>> could end up on over 100 points.
>>> SMFH.
>>> Marching On TOGETHER!
>>> Paul
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 12:25, seanscribe--- via Leedslist <
>>> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> You're absolutely right. I haven't been this angry at a Leeds manager
>> in
>>>> some time. What the hell is he telling the players? We have two of the
>>> most
>>>> devastating wingers in the league, including (possibly) the fastest
>>> winger
>>>> (fastest player?) in the division in Dan James. At no point during
>>>> yesterday's game did the team move the ball to those players EARLY, to
>>>> allow them to exploit the space in front of them. Again and again and
>>> again
>>>> - so often that it MUST be based on orders from Farke, when the
>>> opportunity
>>>> for a fast break beckoned, the ball was passed sideways back and forth
>>>> between the centre-halves so that the opposition could get themselves
>> set
>>>> before we tried to move down the field. It was absolutely maddening.
>>>> It wasn't just Archie, Dan James was asking for the ball in space and
>>>> never getting it until he had two defenders on him. The whole tactical
>>>> approach seemed designed to negate our own strengths (think of all the
>>>> terrific goals we scored earlier in the season from fast breaks out of
>>>> defence). Even as the clock ticked down, our fullbacks and midfielders
>>> were
>>>> still turning on their heels and passing it back to Rodon and Ampadu,
>> who
>>>> would then pass it sideways, as if we were protecting a lead rather
>> than
>>>> trying to score. There was a complete lack of hunger and desire
>> evident.
>>>> And then there's Farke's inexplicable (and inexcusable) decision to
>> delay
>>>> bringing on most of the subs until the 82nd minute. What on earth was
>> he
>>>> thinking? We had no spark on the field, looked tired and uninterested,
>>> and
>>>> we had Gnonto, Joseph and Anthony stewing on the bench. If ever a
>>>> collective performance was calling for wholesale changes at halftime or
>>>> shortly thereafter, it was yesterday's. I shudder to think of Farke
>> going
>>>> up against some of the managers in the Premier League. Like a lot of
>>>> managers, he comes across well in press conferences, and I acknowledge
>>> that
>>>> the EFL (deliberately, in my opinion) made his job harder at the start
>> of
>>>> the season by taking much longer than normal to approve the takeover.
>> And
>>>> of course we have had some terrible refereeing decisions - yesterday
>>> being
>>>> exhibit A in this regard. But Farke has an extraordinary squad at this
>>>> level, packed with current internationals and young talent being
>> scouted
>>> by
>>>> the world's richest clubs, and he's coming up third best in England's
>>>> second tier. Last night was an absolute indictment.
>>>> This season has been one long slow-motion car crash. I told my friends
>>> and
>>>> family before the season that my prediction was we would go out in the
>>>> playoffs. Every game seems to be moving us closer to that inevitable
>>>> outcome, and that's not good enough for Leeds United.
>>>> Cheers!
>>>> Sean
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>   On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 05:43:51 AM EDT, Damian WALSH <
>>>> damian.wa...@euromaster.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Don't get frustrated with Cree & (especially) Georgino losing the
>> ball.
>>> A
>>>> mild grinding of teeth will have to do :)
>>>> 
>>>> If they're losing the ball 

Re: [LU] Sunderland

[John Lee via Leedslist]

I decided against commenting immediately Nick, because it was a pretty 
under-whelming display. Like you, I think the players look knackered, and have 
just lost their mojo. Summerville & Rutter have had some really ineffective 
moments, and I can’t deny how frustrating their constant losing the ball gets? 
I thought Ampadu and Rodon looked jiggered too last night. I actually thought 
Bamford looked pretty sprightly last night, despite that Pike-lookalikey 
clattering him repeatedly. Of course he never really looked like scoring though 
- I was willing him to get a couple, but aside from a rubbish shot he didn’t 
get much of a sniff. I don’t see him being a Leeds player next season, so 
really hope he can go out on something of a high and bag a couple soon.

I thought we played so conservatively in the 1st Half by design - avoiding 
expending energy and not getting injuries so knock it around at the back and 
hope for a lucky break, which didn’t come. Second half we tried, but to give 
Scumderland credit, they defended well, and aided by a partially-sighted ref , 
they got what they came for?

That point might be crucial at the end of the season though, so on we go.

I will make the point that hitting an average run of form if the play-offs are 
where we’re heading doesn’t fill me with confidence. It’s been a great season 
so far though - just hoping the players get some rest and put Blackburn away on 
Satdi!

MOT



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> On 10 Apr 2024, at 07:54, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk wrote:
> 
> 
> Notable lack of comments on here since Saturday.
> 
> Ampadu - Meslier - Rodon
> 
> My foremost impression from last night was how tired everyone in the starting 
> outfield 10 looked. With the exception of Gruev, and possibly Gray, they were 
> listless, not just physically less sharp - slower to the loose ball, less 
> running into space, slower to close down, less movement for the guy with ball 
> - but we seemed mentally off it as well. All the things people tried didn’t 
> come off. It doesn’t make them bad players all of a sudden.
> 
> Ampadu - Rodon - Meslier - Rodon - Ampadu
> 
> A combined total of 4 shots on goal, is poor by anyone’s reckoning.
> 
> Meslier - Rodon - Meslier - Ampadu
> 
> Unbelievably though, for a team moving up to second with four games to go, 
> there were scattered boos in the Kop at the final whistle.
> 
> We don’t have to finish above both Ipswich and Leicester, just one of them 
> will do.
> 
> Meslier - Rodon - Ampadu - Rodon
> 
> Onto Saturday then. We can still do this.
> 
> Nick
> 
> 
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Re: [LU] Millwall

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It’s still beyond me how we didn’t get a penalty, and how that lanky twat at 
the back stayed on the pitch - when on a yellow card there were 3 more bookable 
challenges! 

I can accept that referees don’t see everything, but he was staring right at 
the Rodon incident - it's hard to understand how that guy is an actual referee. 
He made some really bad decisions, for and against us, and I hope we don’t get 
him again anytime soon.

I thought Bamford had a great game too - he doesn’t get nearly enough credit 
for the work he does, and keeping him fit is absolutely critical! I even, and I 
almost can’t believe I’m saying this, enjoyed Firpo’s contributions. He’s not 
much of a defender for sure, but going forward he is pretty handy and puts in 
some excellent crosses, usually with so much pace on them anything could 
happen! 

Like Dave said, Summerville needs a turn of fortunes - he gets kicked - a lot, 
but his final shot and giving away cheap possession is infuriating, as were his 
dead-ball ‘contributions’. He just seems to have his head down at the moment - 
maybe he’s sulking because like the rest of the team he hasn’t got a new baby 
on the way :-) Looking at Dan James I recognised those bags under the eyes :-) 

One final point - we need to start taking more chances - all season our goal 
difference has been like an extra point, but with Ipswich closing the gap after 
getting 6, we need to become far more ruthless!




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> On 18 Mar 2024, at 10:20, nattan--- via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> The " no-one likes us" derby as some repoter called jt, ended as it should 
> with 3pts and us " top top top of the league"
> It was a bitter sweet day for me, arrived in the pub to the news that my all 
> time musical hero Steve Harley had died , but left Leeds train station with 
> us no1
> This was a game that on paper we should have won, and we all knew the type of 
> game it would be, the typical championship grind it out v a physical time 
> wasting team who had come to spoil not entertain.  We needed to make sure we 
> stood up to them at corners and give them nothing , and then take at least 
> one of the chances that would inevitably come our way.
> Thats exactly how it unfolded. I dont recall them creating a single decent 
> chance, a couple of corners gave some cause for concern,  and Mes had a 
> couple of regulation saved to make , but this was as straightforward as it 
> gets.
> We controlled things from start to finish,  though at 1-0 things are always 
> going to be a bit nervy but our defence is rock solid so no real panic.
> Our goals were great - the first a nice ball by Georginio,  well controlled 
> at pace by Gnonto who powered on and unleashed a thunderbolt into the corner 
> of the net, no stopping those and 2 in 2 for the prodigal son.  Whilst willy 
> is making the most of things, his mate Cree is having a hard time,  nothing 
> quite working - he has gone 5 or 6 now with no goals or assists.  He came 
> close at the end of the first half with his trademark cutting inside and 
> bending his shot into the far corner, unfortunately,  and typical at the 
> moment the keeper pulled off a great save. 
> Second half they made the first quadruple sub ive ever seen but to no avail,  
> we replaced Gnonto with the equally good Dan James and he soon got our 
> second,  the decisive goal and the one that takes us top. He made a meal of 
> it, Georginio with  more magic and his 2nd assist,  pulled it back and all DJ 
> had to do was fire home. Instead he trapped the ball,  took another touch to 
> send the defender the wrong way and fired home through a defender and the 
> keeper, strange way to do it but it worked.
> We then hit the post twice, first Georginio having his first attempt saved 
> chased the ball down and his cut back bounced off the keeper onto the post. 
> In  the dying minutes DJ let fly with another shot and it hit the post and 
> went wide.
> So a fairly comfortable and basic championship win, but a vital one. Now the 
> pressure is on us to stay there 
> Final comment, we had a huge shout for a penalty and probably second yellow 
> for them when Roden was flattened,  but i did not really see it.
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Re: [LU] Do we want to go up?

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Whilst accepting this season has been lightyears ahead of the last 2 seasons, 
in terms of football played, our squad, manager etc, it’d be very unambitious 
to wish for another season or two like it in the Championship, just because 
it’d be an easier watch. 

Yes, there’s trepidation about what lies ahead - you only have to consider how 
Burnley stormed the Championship last season and viewing their league position 
now? But, like everyone, we’re in a stronger position in every sense, 
especially regarding ownership. I expect the 49’ers to bankroll the club to try 
and cement a mid-table place - in fact if they won’t/can’t then why are they 
here? I also expect them to get cracking on the ground expansion pretty much 
immediately on promotion, as that is one of the ways to cement the £income 
stream.

The first torture of course may be the bloody play-offs though - I’d prefer us 
to finish 7th if we’re going to lose to Sunderland/Boro in the play-offs :-) 

I’m not entertaining the idea of automatic promotion yet  - too soon for that?



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> On 7 Mar 2024, at 12:43, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> I’ve also been thinking about this and when considering the alternatives
> I’d say ‘YES’.
> 
> I’d say it would be great go up this year, but if not, promotion is
> practically essential next time before the parachute payment reduces and
> then disappears.'
> 
> If/when we get there, there will be some difficult weeks and some possible
> despair when you look at the football Arsenal and Man City can play.
> 
> But if we can survive the first season, make steady progress and expand the
> stadium, we could be where Villa now are in 4-5 years time.
> 
> Promotion is the starting point for all of that.
> 
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Re: [LU] Short post

[John Lee via Leedslist]

100% Nick

It’s hard to know quite how good he’s going to get, and mind-boggling that the 
next Gray coming through our youth ranks is reportedly even better?

The club should be paying the Grays to procreate more ;-) 

> On 29 Feb 2024, at 09:16, Damian WALSH  wrote:
> 
> " Gray, so bold and elegant on the ball, ran the game"
> 
> From the Guardian
> 
>> Le jeu. 29 févr. 2024 à 09:56, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk <
>> n...@6haroldplace.co.uk> a écrit :
>> 
>> 
>> Archie Gray in midfield.
>> 
>> That is all.
>> 
>> Nick
>> 
>> 
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Re: [LU] Fck

[John Lee via Leedslist]

The song you sang re Bowles had a much better rendition at Elland Rd, with the 
added bonus it rhymed :-) 

I’d walk a million miles
To see Johnny Giles
Score a penaltt



> On 25 Feb 2024, at 14:12, seanscribe--- via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
>  The next day one of the papers had the headline "A-Revie-derci." My dad had 
> to explain the pun to me.
>On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 03:48:58 AM EST, Robert Heath 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Me and two mates hitchhiked to Rome to watch England play Italy in a WC
> Qualifier. Revie was the boss and the team he put out was a bit odd. IIRC
> we had Brian Greenhoff & Trevor Cherry in midfield. But up front we had
> Stan Bowles, and I remember walking through the streets of Rome singing "Oh
> oh oh Stanley, Stanley, I'd walk a million miles for one of your goals oh
> Stanley!" (WE'd actually hitched a thousand miles, obviously not far enough
> b/c we didn't get one of his goals and we lost 2-0.)
> 
>> On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 12:10 AM Damian WALSH 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Stan Bowles is dead!
>> 
>> I'm very sorry for him, but me me me me my generation is almost all gone
>> :0
>> 
>> --
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>> *Damian WALSH*
>> 
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Re: [LU] End of the season

[John Lee via Leedslist]

For me the decision would first be how many are good enough? Of that lot maybe 
only Sinisterra and Wober. Given their words and actions, neither should even 
be given the option imho. Inevitably, as ‘assets’, all the loanees have 
probably depreciated and the club will presumably loan them all out again to 
get them off the wage bill. I’m sure the club’s accountants have pretty much 
written them off as worthless re sales values, because no other club will buy 
them while we’re over that barrel? Whilst they’re still seen as paper assets 
though then our position re FFP is better - unless anyone knows better?

Harrison is ok, but blows hot and cold and I don’t think it’d be good for 
either him or the club to have him back. Whether we can get a few million for 
him I don’t know?

Of equal interest come season-end, whichever division we’re in, will be the 
clubs ‘we want to be like Leicester’ model,  selling 1 or 2 star players to 
keep finances ticking over - seeing Summerville, Rutter or, god forbid, Gray 
going would be a real sickener. 






> On 5 Feb 2024, at 13:08, Ted  wrote:
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> Totally agree!
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Re: [LU] Leeds-related books available

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Good cause. Must be something in the air, as I’ve been sifting my old Leeds 
hardbacks, amongst other things. 

Check Oxfam books in Harrogate in 2/3 week if interested.


> On 29 Jan 2024, at 11:37, Wiggy  wrote:
> 
> Got some Leeds-related hardback books available to a good home for a small 
> donation to Macmillan Cancer Support Peter Lorimer - Leeds and Scotland Hero 
> Eddie Gray - Marching on Together (my life with Leeds United) Tom Palmer - If 
> you're proud to be a Leeds fan Norman Hunter - Biting Talk David O'Leary - 
> Leeds United on trial email/whatsapp if you're interested. ta.
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Re: [LU] 100 Years Ago

[John Lee via Leedslist]

I’m not sure, 28 years on, whether the spirit of some of my giddier keyboard 
moments may have been undermined by time, and common-sense :-) 

As Rob said, ‘typifies the times’ maybe, but…..?

I am, however, completely in line with Rog re Beckenbauer! 



> On 11 Jan 2024, at 15:00, Vijay Bhakta  wrote:
> 
> I seem to recall VOICE  / VOICEY or something like that, then changed their
> name to something else, Chantelle or something ?
> 
> memory is not as good as it used to be
> 
> 
> KR
> 
> Vijay.
> 
>> On Thu, 11 Jan 2024 at 11:14, John Boocock  wrote:
>> 
>> Any contributions for updates? I have already corrected a couple of typos.
>> 
>> I already have ASCII Maps, JoTL, Beermeister, MNES, LUST and Totty Twins
>> on the blocks.
>> 
>> Betty
>> 
>> 
>> THE LEEDS LIST GLOSSARY AS AT August 28th, 1996
>> 
>> A collection of nicknames, acronyms and descriptions all purporting to
>> relate to the unofficial Leeds United AFC internet mailing list,
>> composed or edited by Betty Boocock, with several contributions coming
>> from the individuals concerned. So, if you're confused and bewildered by
>> the in-jokes and strange references on the list, read on and let
>> enlightenment flow...
>> 
>> ADOLPHI - Home of the pre match list meet, really called the Adelphi,
>> but renamed when it was suggested that the NF might have once met there.
>> 
>> ARMCHAIR - Usual seat taken by most opinionated members of the list,
>> preferably in foreign climes where the best view is always available. NB
>> the enormous, motorised armchair is Betty's large car built by French
>> communists.
>> 
>> BETTY - according to Andy 'Blood on Yer Boots' King, "I seem to remember
>> earlier this year you sorted out a few of the listers (Maggie,
>> Squiggle?) problems, and for a while the list was more like a ‘Dear
>> Aunty Betty the Agony Aunt’ list than a Leeds list". According to Guy:
>> "Because of your Betty Boothroyd tendencies during a number of
>> disputes." If the truth be known, it is because my Aunty Betty Boocock
>> is the only member of the family still left in Swinnow.
>> 
>> BLIND JOHN - Mr John Lukic (a former custodian of the onion bag).
>> 
>> BMW - The Best Mate's Wife. Euphemism for mistress, only used by cads
>> and bounders.
>> 
>> BOTL - Birds on The List. The women who contribute to life on the list,
>> and that's real women, not transvestites like Betty and Maggie.
>> 
>> BTW - Standard computer nerd acronym for "by the way”. Apparently, this
>> saves ink.
>> 
>> CASHBURN, NEWMONEY - (Come on, you can work those out, can't you?)
>> 
>> CHURCH OF THE REAL MAN/YORKSHIRE MAN - situated in the heart of the West
>> Leeds triangle of Burley, Headingley and Kirkstall, the Church and its
>> leader, Da Reverend John Lee, instructs devotees in the art of
>> Grolsch-swilling, currying, nesting, and opinionated conversation,
>> especially in the company of students who are not tolerated within the
>> Church. Chief doctrines include NO Rabid Canines, no buying Sharp
>> products, the sworn aim of the destruction of all things Lancastrian and
>> the moving of Parliament to Swaledale. It's anti Southern-Jessy &
>> Wearside-maggot philosophies easily identify the brethren. Dress sense
>> is casual with attitude, musical preferences eclectic but no hippie
>> shit, and a love of Geoffrey Boycott is essential. A definite NO SCABS
>> rule applies to membership, regardless of all other criteria, although
>> if you've ever shagged Sophie Rayworth you're probably in! Birds are
>> tolerated, but only if they're fit, can cook curry or are related to DRB
>> by marriage. In short, the brethren of justice and righteousness found
>> in the Church of the Real Man/Yorkshire Man are Gods children on Earth,
>> reside in the Land of the Gods and will surely one day inherit the Earth
>> (and will then proceed to wipe Lancashire off it!).
>> 
>> CHINAMAN - Young Lee Sharpe
>> 
>> DENIS - I ended up with Denis cos after the headshave at Euronet 96, I
>> ended up looking like Denis Irwin. Fortunately, my hair's grown back a
>> bit now. Still, it's better than being accused of looking like
>> 'Sutcliffe' a few years ago (not funny I know, but that's southern
>> 'humour' for you).
>> 
>> dOLEITE - (see SQUIGGLE).
>> 
>> DRB - Custodian of the reserve report and choirmaster of the Choir of
>> Unholy Angels, who normally give concerts on

Re: [LU] People on vax.ox.ac.uk t-shirt

[John Lee via Leedslist]

When was the leedslist set up? I ‘think’ my first job in the British Library 
with a PC was around 1991/92 - those were the days when, if you were in the 
Civil Service you had to go to Whitehall to do an aptitude test - 2 of us went 
down, and I was pretty pleased at 64% - the other guy got 96%, the highest the 
Civil Service had seen I believe (he went into our IT dept). I wish I could 
remember when I started meeting listers - obviously Adelphi meets were a thing 
for us before the list, but as for the chronology??

Any clue anyone? Was Betty not an original vax’er?


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> On 9 Jan 2024, at 15:11, Ted  wrote:
> 
> I think I must have joined the year after this, as I had been a lister a
> bit before the MOALM, before the Villa debacle. 😀
> 
> Ted H
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, 9 Jan 2024, 14:41 James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! via Leedslist, <
>> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Folks,
>> All 78 are listed below with their original email from 30 years ago...
>> Farhad Ayrom  farhada@metasw.comCraig Bottomley  c...@crosfield.co.ukRupert
>> Brown  rupe...@morgan.com (rupe...@is.morgan.com)Lynn Burke
>> lburke@infi.netGavin Burnage  gburn...@natcorp.ox.ac.ukPaul Cadd
>> c...@welsws.enet.dec.comVincent Campbell  ncampv@hasler.ascom.chMick
>> Carney  mcarney@vax2.concordia.caAndy Colthorpe
>> colthorp...@ghob00.dnet.bp.comSimon Cunningham
>> etls...@etlxd20.ericsson.se (etls...@etlxdmx.ericsson.se)Simon Cushing
>> cush...@bcf.usc.eduStephen Davies  step...@aixssc.uk.ibm.comJames Doody
>> jdo...@vax1.may.ieAndy Dyson  a.dy...@bradford.ac.ukPetter Edman
>> petter.edman@eua.ericsson.seCarl Erik  carl-erik.wasb...@mi.uib.noJustin
>> Ewards  justin.edwa...@lib.monash.edu.auNadim Farajalla
>> hydro...@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu (hydro...@hellcat.ecn.uoknor.edu)Andy
>> Farmery  a...@pf.adied.oz.auMika Galkin  galkin@cc.helsinki.fiPhil
>> Geldard  mho4...@derby.ac.uk (ccz...@ccn1.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk)Tim
>> Geldard  scst...@csc.liv.ac.uk (t...@csc.liv.ac.uk)Roger Goodair
>> r.good...@bradford.ac.ukAkbar Hakim  ak...@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sgHalvard
>> Halvorsen halvard.halvorsen@trd.sdata.noAdrian Harper
>> chm3...@arts-01.novell.leeds.ac.ukTim Harper
>> thar...@vmprofs.estec.esa.nlSimon Hart  s...@unix.york.ac.ukPeter Hicks
>> pe...@goliath.unisys.co.nzJoanne Horn  joan...@cns-howden.co.ukKevin
>> Hudson  khudson@us.oracle.comMark Humphries  m...@newton.npl.co.uk (
>> m...@newton.national-physical-lab.co.uk)Shafiq Jamani
>> jama...@peking.enet.dec.comTim Kennedy  tim.kenn...@bj.co.ukChris
>> Kimball  kimball@aug3.augsburg.eduAndy King  ak...@dcs.warwick.ac.ukDavid
>> Komadina  po...@tartarus.uwa.edu.auCharles Lawrence
>> c...@vax.ox.ac.ukStuart Lee  stu...@vax.ox.ac.ukVincent Lee
>> vince...@iti.gov.sgKev Lewis  k...@inf.rl.ac.ukMark Lowe
>> m.p.l...@ncl.ac.uk (l...@chem.ubc.ca)Harbinder Luddu
>> hslu...@acdm.sait.ab.caJames Lundon  jlun...@xstacy.enet.dec.comRichard
>> Manning  mannin...@rcwusr.bp.comTerry McAndrew  
>> t...@chb.novell.leeds.ac.ukColin
>> McDonald  bsc...@dcs.napier.ac.ukDeclan McMahon
>> declan@vulcan.mentec.ieTom Meleady  mele...@unixg.ubc.caRick Morrell
>> morrell@marvin.internet.comRoger Mortimer  ro...@ram.webo.dg.comMandy
>> Murrel  etlmyml@etlxd20.ericsson.seSunil Nagpal  s.nag...@bnr.co.uk (
>> s...@roke.co.uk)Brian Page  b.p...@bradford.ac.ukBrian Ragunathan
>> b.l.ragunat...@qmw.co.ukChris Rainford  c.c.rainf...@ss1.bath.ac.ukDarren
>> Richards  ric...@essex.ac.ukChris Robey  c...@ib.rl.ac.ukGlynn Robinson
>> robin...@noodle.med.yale.eduDale Rowley  rowl...@cs.man.ac.ukSimon
>> Rutter  rutter@amgen.comJas Sandhu  san...@seas.gwu.eduKristy Sandwell
>> k...@newton.npl.co.uk (k...@newton.national-physical-lab.co.uk)Mark Smith
>> m.h.sm...@durham.ac.ukAlan Stacey  sta...@welclu.enet.dec.comNeil
>> Summersall  n.summers...@bradford.ac.ukKnut Svenes  knut.svenes@ffi.noSean
>> Sweeney  sta3n...@lucs-03.novell.leeds.ac.ukJoo Tan  t...@cis.ksu.eduAdrian
>> Thomson  a.thom...@nexor.co.ukMads Tofte  mtjen...@nbivax.nbi.dkAnthony
>> Waller  p85...@vm.biu.ac.ilSteve Walsh  s.r.j.wa...@newcastle.co.ukJohn
>> Wangermann  wangermn@phoenix.princeton.eduSimon Webb
>> si...@si.fi.ameslab.govRichard Williamson  r.m.william...@newcastle.co.ukAdam
>> Woodhall  a.p.woodh...@newcastle.ac.ukJamil  s...@generics.co.uk (
>> s...@metagen.co.uk)
>> James.
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Re: [LU] Super Dave.

[John Lee via Leedslist]

I think I missed the cut by a couple of weeks re the original vaxers, but I 
more than made up for that later ;-) 

All I can say is I am very glad IT security was more lax in those days!

> On 9 Jan 2024, at 15:29, paul.tweney via Leedslist  
> wrote:
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> My mouse mat and my coaster are in everyday use!Sent from my Galaxy
>  Original message From: Hedley Shaw  
> Date: 09/01/2024  15:08  (GMT+00:00) To: Tim Greenwood 
> , leedslist  Subject: Re: 
> [LU] Super Dave. If we are reminiscing how many still have the Betty managed 
> merch based on a moody domain ... recollect we swerved potential legal action 
> ?HedleyOn 09/01/2024, 12:48, "Leedslist on behalf of Tim Greenwood" 
> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> on behalf 
> of timothy.greenw...@gmail.com > wrote:I 
> don’t write much, but have been around since the old days. In those earlydays 
> with the web in its infancy this list, and Mike B’s VHS tapecirculations were 
> essential for those of us who had moved to the US.Tim Greenwood 
> timothy.greenw...@gmail.com On Mon, Jan 
> 8, 2024 at 6:18 AM Damian WALSH  >wrote:> I'd like to join you in that 
> memory if I may.>> With thoughts also for Guy and the other listers who are 
> no longer with> us>> Damian>> Le lun. 8 janv. 2024 à 12:15, Scott1cairns1 
> mailto:scott1cair...@gmail.com>> a> écrit :>> > 
> Remembering David Dowden who passed away this day last year.> > Best 
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Re: [LU] Defender Djed Spence has returned to Tottenham from his loan spell at Leeds United.

[John Lee via Leedslist]

He looked like he could play, but from what I saw he had a very lackadaisical 
approach when on the pitch, and gave the ball away a lot. If he didn’t fancy 
being at Leeds then good to get him out of the club quickly. 

It’ll be interesting to see if a creator supreme is on the shopping list?



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> On 5 Jan 2024, at 08:37, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
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>  Lazy twat apparently ! 
>On Friday, 5 January 2024 at 07:46:15 GMT, John Boocock  
> wrote:  
> 
> And so it starts.
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Re: [LU] 2nd half

[John Lee via Leedslist]

I suppose as fans of 50 years +, we’ve seen it all before, and like Simon says, 
I think we’ve seen this set-up very recently! Obviously it was a relief to have 
some defensive organisation and not being gubbed by 4 or more every week, but 
the ultra cautious build ups and not using our key strengths, i.e. fast 
forwards who need the ball early, it isn’t that surprising teams have sussed 
out how to beat us, and why fan discontent is on the rise. Farke has done a 
pretty good job so far, but if he cannot/ will not vary our build-up play, or 
buy someone who can, then this is only going one way.

Imho, he really must play Gray in the middle - our problems arn’t with the 
actual players in attack/defence, but not having a McGinn type midfielder.

Finally, there are players who keep getting a game who provide nothing - Gnonto 
is one! 

Hopefully our Xmas form will have benefits, because Farke must see plan A isn’t 
the be all and end all! And hey, let’s end on a positive - I think we’re too 
good to go down :-) 


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> On 30 Dec 2023, at 08:49, Jim Moran  wrote:
> 
> Agree on Bamford away as the better option. Gets way too much stick for
> being offside by know nowts, but the reality is he’s making smart runs and
> the midfield are playing it too late. As you said, it’s because they never
> practice anything other than plan a in training.
> 
>> On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 at 08:42, Richard Walker via Leedslist <
>> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Might be a bit premature given the Ipswich result but it’s beginning to
>> feel a bit like the end of Bielsa in that teams seem to know how to play
>> against Farke’s slow, predictable 159 passes build up play by putting men
>> behind the ball and making sure there’s no room to play and then they know
>> they’ll get a chance from a set piece or counter and win the game.
>> Hopefully we’ll stuff Brum and Farke will somehow change his tactics for
>> away games.
>> Darkow - 5. Strangely had nothing to do but what he did was poor.
>> Spence - 5. Disappointed at his best position but a lot of that might have
>> been down to Gnonto who really didn’t help going forwards
>> Byram- 5. Did ok first half , unlucky with the goal
>> Rodon- 7. Battled hard
>> Cooper - 6. Thought he did ok
>> Gruev - 5. It was his best showing for us and he saw a lot of the ball but
>> he is just a ball pusher and not a creator.
>> Ampadu - 6. Worked hard but doesn’t have the creativity
>> Gnonto - 4. Should have had a pen but apart from that he looked rusty.
>> Needs more game time but probably won’t get it after this.
>> Summerville- 5. Trying hard but it’s difficult to receive the ball and
>> beat the 5 men that are lined up in front of you.
>> Rutter - 6. Ditto but did have some success. Should have scored first
>> half. Not a no 9
>> Piroe - 2. Totally ineffective as our no 10
>> Subs:James - 7. Made an impact
>> Bamford - 5 BUT for me he shows there is another option by playing over
>> the top and running on to balls. It’s obvious though that Farke isn’t
>> practicing this in training though cos we can’t do it at the moment but for
>> me it’s Bamford in at no 9 in the New Year.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On Friday, December 29, 2023, 10:26 pm, Simon McNally <
>> simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hope the radio Leeds folks ask Farke some proper questions.
>> We lost all pretence of shape after all the attacking subs and to be
>> honest I’m as likely to score from the sofa as Bamford was on the pitch.
>> With the quality of players we have at our disposal that was simply
>> unacceptable, as was Preston and Sunderland.
>> Piroe as a 10 might work at home but in these away games we look short in
>> midfield.I’d like to see a midfield trio of Ampadu, Kamara and Gray /
>> Gruev. With the available players for the front three we’d still be potent
>> but with more control in midfield.
>> I don’t think 4th is good enough for the squad we have and we need to
>> figure out how to play against the low block.
>> What worries me is that the rest of the championship have been given a
>> blueprint of how to nullify us.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Outlook for iOSFrom: Richard Walker 
>> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2023 10:18:11 PM
>> To: Simon McNally ; leeds list (
>> leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
>> Subject: Re: [LU] 2nd half Absolute dogshit. Gruev’s free kick at the end
>> summed the game up for me. Just not good enough against a very average West
>> Brom team.
>> Commentators keep reminded us how devastating we are in attack when if
>> truth be known in these last few away games we’re totally toothless.
>> What did Piroe offer today ? Nothing
>> Very , very disappointing
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On Friday, December 29, 2023, 9:48 pm, Simon McNally via Leedslist <
>> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>> 
>> More poor play.
>> 
>> Have we even had a shot?
>> 
>> Another game like Sunderland and PNE where I’m struggling to think of a
>> decent save th

Re: [LU] DF

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Very well said Dave. I don’t think there has been a manager in our history 
where I haven’t disagreed with some decisions, but Farke has done amazingly 
well given the financial turmoil, players leaving and utterly unrealistic 
expectations of many fans. 
Our online ‘fans’ have a sizeable proportion of utter f*ckwits amongst them - 
god help the club if they ever actually go to a game?

All that said, I wish he’d play Gray in the middle though, and give Bamford 
half a dozen starts ;-) 





> On 21 Dec 2023, at 15:47, nattan--- via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> A good clip doing the rounds of DF speaking of his love for leeds united - 
> says what he thinks Leeds United
> Hopefully the fans who already seem to have turned on him after a poor week, 
> are mainly just online,  and that the match going fans stick with him and 
> team even if it goes badly on Saturday 
> We are doing very well  just a shame the top two are doing " unbelievable 
> well" 
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Re: [LU] Coventry

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Spot on Paul - so many missed chances, game after game - whilst Meslier isn’t 
the finished article (his near-post right hand side reactions are iffy), we 
should be comfortable in games like this given the number of chances?

Hoping at some point Gray will be back in the middle, and that Bamford will get 
a proper run of games - I still think he’ll play a key part this season. 



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> On 17 Dec 2023, at 20:40, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk wrote:
> 
> 
> Exactly, Paul.
> 
> Oh, and Dan James’ sitter at the end…
> 
> Nick
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 17 Dec 2023, at 20:29, Paul Cundell  wrote:
>> 
>> Let's not blame the goalkeeper because Rutter and Cree missed more chances
>> in one half than Bamford has missed all season and conveniently forget
>> Mesliers first half save that in the end preserved our unbeaten home
>> record.
>> There's two defenders on the attacker but the keeper should've come for it?
>> Why? So you could have blamed him for not leaving it to the defenders?
>> Let's not look for scapegoats when the fault clearly lies with us failing
>> to convert our chances.
>> 
>> 
 On Sun, 17 Dec 2023, 17:38 Scott1cairns1,  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It’s a vote of no confidence in meslier for me.
>>> Best regards,Scott.
>>> 
> On 17 Dec 2023, at 12:59, Robert Heath  wrote:
 
 Dead right about the ref. I noticed when the res were doing their
>>> pathetic
 "warmup" that he was out of breath and struggling to keep up with his
 linesmen after simply jogging a lap of half the pitch!
 
> On Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 11:23 AM Simon McNally via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> 
> Mostly agree, especially that song.
> 
> I think it was Struijk that loses the header for the goal.
> Having watched it back, I’m not convinced by Meslier on the goal either.
> It’s a high, looping cross that is headed in from within the six yard
>>> box.
> I’d think the keeper should be claiming that.
> I thought he could’ve done better with the Sunderland goal too.
> Shopping list for January for me would be : 1) left back and 2)
>>> goalkeeper
> 
> 
> Sent from Outlook for iOS
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard
> Walker via Leedslist 
> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2023 10:28:25 AM
> To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
> Subject: [LU] Coventry
> 
> I'd forgotten that God awful song that they sing  'We all sing
> together  la la la' - took me right back to the Hillsborough
> semi-final. Rubbish song, rubbish city, rubbish fans and they had the
>>> cheek
> to sing "Leeds is a shithole I want to go home". Made me laugh and
>>> think of
> Ghost Town.
> To be fair to their team I thought they were ok. A bit like Sunderland,
> they came with damage limitation in mind and to kick everything that
>>> moved
> which they got away with due to a really, really poor ref. He didn't
>>> look
> in shape and his brain was obviously running slow because time and time
> again they hacked at our players and he didn't take any action. I think
> this is the way to play us, be solid, get everyone behind the ball and
>>> then
> get us on the counter, which is what happened.
> First half I thought we huffed and puffed and got into some good
>>> positions
> but poor finishing cost us. Rutter spent most of the half on his arse as
> usual and when he did get a chance he fluffed it. My mate said he's
>>> either
> world class or a spastic. He was a spastic in that first half. Very
> frustrating. Most of our best work was down the left with Spence and
> Summerville but  when we did manage to work our way  into the box the
>>> last
> pass or cross was lacking. At the other end Coventry did have numerous
> counters and their tricky right winger skinned Spence to create a good
> chance. Meslier also made a decent save from a shot outside the box.
>>> They
> were dangerous on the counter and I think as a team it's far too to pass
> and progress through our midfield. This is obviously the downside to
> playing 4 attackers with one of them (Piroe) in midfield. Piroe is
>>> never a
> midfielder, not even close. Yes he's tidy on the ball at times but most
>>> of
> the time without the ball he's a passenger.
> I think we need to look at playing with 3 midfielder (proper
>>> midfielders)
> in some games especially away from home. New left back in Jan, spence to
> right back , Archie into midfield. Bidwell for them must be 30+ but he's
> solid , can defend and get forward. That's all we need from a left back
>>> in
> this league.
> Then there's the argument about who to play up front ? For me, Rutter is
> great to watch (the world class version not the spastic) but there's no
>>> way
> he's a number 9. He misses chance after chance after b

Re: [LU] Fwd: Rotherham Game

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Indeed Nick - looking at the league there are probably 12 teams in with a shout 
of the top 6 - it’s nice to be near the top of the pile! That said, the 
defensive ‘passing/set-up’ bores me to tears at times - in an ideal world we’d 
play on the front foot 80% of the time - watching Meslier and co play square 
passes over and over is as dull as it gets imho. We should, and could, be 
whupping these teams like Rotherham, Plymouth etc, instead we’re hanging on! 
Very bored with that :-) 


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> On 26 Nov 2023, at 09:34, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk wrote:
> 
> 
> …and still, we gained a point on Ipswich. And it isn’t yet December.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Paul Cundell 
>> Date: 26 November 2023 at 00:24:54 GMT
>> To: John Lee 
>> Cc: Leeds List 2010 
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Rotherham Game
>> 
>> Tbf, again, they are mostly the same players - hence, I assume, Farke's
>> safety first approach, but what do I know.
>> Personally, I blame Sky comms for telling us that we'd always won when
>> scoring first.
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Sat, 25 Nov 2023, 22:43 ,  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think that’s a fair point Paul, although there was plenty of evidence to
>>> suggest the tide might turn yesterday? I don’t think I was alone in not
>>> being exactly gushing about some of our defender’s ‘abilities’ - all the
>>> old doubts came back to worry me :-(
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On 25 Nov 2023, at 22:06, Paul Cundell  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I think we're in danger of very quickly forgetting how badly we were
>>> shipping goals pre-Farke.
>>> 
>>> On Sat, 25 Nov 2023, 21:46 Nicholas Armit via Leedslist, <
>>> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Totally agree! It is very frustrating.
>>>> Nick
>>>>   On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 10:55:15 AM EST, John Lee via
>>>> Leedslist  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I think this insistence on re-setting the entire team every time we get
>>>> possession, by playing it back to Cooper/Rodon/Meslier cripples one of our
>>>> key strengths - our attacking speed. I would definitely have Gray in the
>>>> middle, and I hope Farke is beginning to see that this ultra- cautious
>>>> defensive set up is costing us points? There’s zero point in having 80%
>>>> possession if 90% of that is within 30 yards of our goal!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>> On 25 Nov 2023, at 13:09, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist <
>>>> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Last night showed to me how much we need the creative midfield player
>>>> to
>>>>> turn promising positions into the type of chances that even our strikers
>>>>> can’t miss.  Then pick whichever of Rutter, Piroe and Bamford looks like
>>>>> they may eventually score a goal. None of them does at the moment.
>>>> Bamford
>>>>> in particular has missed the ball, missed a penalty and wandered
>>>> offside in
>>>>> his last 3 significant contributions.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I was looking forward to seeing Firpo last night to give the team an
>>>>> overlapping option down the left. Sadly it looks like his attacking,
>>>>> defending, desire and reliability to keep possession are lacking even at
>>>>> this level.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Despite that Leeds are still probably 5 points ahead of where I expected
>>>>> them
>>>>> to be, considering the state of the squad when Farke came in, and at the
>>>>> end of the transfer window.
>>>>> 
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Re: [LU] Rotherham Game

[John Lee via Leedslist]

   I think that’s a fair point Paul, although there was plenty of evidence
   to suggest the tide might turn yesterday? I don’t think I was alone in
   not being exactly gushing about some of our defender’s ‘abilities’ -
   all the old doubts came back to worry me :-(

   Sent from my iPad

 On 25 Nov 2023, at 22:06, Paul Cundell  wrote:

   
   I think we're in danger of very quickly forgetting how badly we were
   shipping goals pre-Farke.
   On Sat, 25 Nov 2023, 21:46 Nicholas Armit via Leedslist,
   <[1]leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

  Totally agree! It is very frustrating.
 Nick
 On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 10:55:15 AM EST, John Lee via
 Leedslist <[2]leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
  I think this insistence on re-setting the entire team every time we
 get possession, by playing it back to Cooper/Rodon/Meslier cripples
 one of our key strengths - our attacking speed. I would definitely
 have Gray in the middle, and I hope Farke is beginning to see that
 this ultra- cautious defensive set up is costing us points? There’s
 zero point in having 80% possession if 90% of that is within 30
 yards of our goal!
 Sent from my iPad
 > On 25 Nov 2023, at 13:09, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist
 <[3]leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
 >
 > Last night showed to me how much we need the creative midfield
 player to
 > turn promising positions into the type of chances that even our
 strikers
 > can’t miss.  Then pick whichever of Rutter, Piroe and Bamford
 looks like
 > they may eventually score a goal. None of them does at the moment.
 Bamford
 > in particular has missed the ball, missed a penalty and wandered
 offside in
 > his last 3 significant contributions.
 >
 > I was looking forward to seeing Firpo last night to give the team
 an
 > overlapping option down the left. Sadly it looks like his
 attacking,
 > defending, desire and reliability to keep possession are lacking
 even at
 > this level.
 >
 > Despite that Leeds are still probably 5 points ahead of where I
 expected
 > them
 > to be, considering the state of the squad when Farke came in, and
 at the
 > end of the transfer window.
 >
 > KOT
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Re: [LU] Rotherham Game

[John Lee via Leedslist]

I think this insistence on re-setting the entire team every time we get 
possession, by playing it back to Cooper/Rodon/Meslier cripples one of our key 
strengths - our attacking speed. I would definitely have Gray in the middle, 
and I hope Farke is beginning to see that this ultra- cautious defensive set up 
is costing us points? There’s zero point in having 80% possession if 90% of 
that is within 30 yards of our goal! 



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> On 25 Nov 2023, at 13:09, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Last night showed to me how much we need the creative midfield player to
> turn promising positions into the type of chances that even our strikers
> can’t miss.  Then pick whichever of Rutter, Piroe and Bamford looks like
> they may eventually score a goal. None of them does at the moment. Bamford
> in particular has missed the ball, missed a penalty and wandered offside in
> his last 3 significant contributions.
> 
> I was looking forward to seeing Firpo last night to give the team an
> overlapping option down the left. Sadly it looks like his attacking,
> defending, desire and reliability to keep possession are lacking even at
> this level.
> 
> Despite that Leeds are still probably 5 points ahead of where I expected
> them
> to be, considering the state of the squad when Farke came in, and at the
> end of the transfer window.
> 
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Re: [LU] Any reports on yesterday?

[John Lee via Leedslist]

For clarity, we lost the game because we conceded a goal, Bamford's miss meant 
we were still level even after he missed it - he wasn’t responsible for their 
goal!!

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> On 29 Oct 2023, at 18:17, seanscribe--- via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
>  We only lost at Stoke because of the incomprehensible decision to allow 
> Bamford to take that penalty. Almost certainly if Summerville or Rutter or 
> Ampadu had taken it, we'd have scored and gone on to take three points. I 
> have a sinking feeling that that one bizarre decision will cost us promotion.
> Cheers!
> Seam
>On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 06:20:34 AM EDT, James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! 
> via Leedslist  wrote:  
> 
> Folks,
> I "listened" to it on the WhatsApp group and on Twitter.
> We are still finding out feet at this level.  We lose at Stoke and then 
> batter Huddersfield a few days later - both teams in the lower reaches of the 
> division.
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Re: [LU] Engerland

[John Lee via Leedslist]

It made me smile too Betty.

Although not as much when he got knocked over early doors, and the next tackle 
he went in at neck height ;-) Lucky he decided to pull out. Got away with a 
second yellow later too - good management by Southgate to sub him. Whilst he’s 
sometimes too cautious for my liking, he did play a few forward passes last 
night too. I haven’t heard the West ‘Am rumour, but I suspect it’s inevitable 
he’ll want game time before the Euros? 

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> On 18 Oct 2023, at 11:07, John Boocock  wrote:
> 
> The actual interview I saw was of a lad saying something with a broad grin. 
> What he said made me smile too. He is a good lad and his career is his 
> business. Does anyone really think he would have stayed at SOTG had he been 
> facing a life in division 2?
> 
> I hope he does well (at West Ham if my spies are correct)
> 
> Betty
> 
>> On 18/10/2023 09:51, Richard & Alex wrote:
>> Can't see where he's crying?  He stayed at least twice when he could have 
>> gone and got richer and helped us get to the Premier and still stayed.  I 
>> think most top athletes would try and make it at the very top of their 
>> sport, if he's failed, then at least he tried.  Was a fantastic servant to 
>> the Club.
>> 
>> 
>> If he wanted to play football, he should never have joined Man City. He went 
>> there to get rich, and he now is. Good luck to him. But he can’t cry about 
>> not getting game time… that was absolutely inevitable.
>> 
>> On 18 Oct 2023, at 08:14, John Boocock  wrote:
>> 
>> 'I was happy to put on a white shirt again' Philips K. Leeds and England.
>> 
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Re: [LU] Quiet after the weekend

[John Lee via Leedslist]

s much worse in the 70s, then 
not being bothered to spell the name of our new Bulgarian player correctly? I 
wonder if you rail against the racism of the country you live in? 

 

Yes, the team is work-in-progress. From 2 awful seasons, we have been sold, 
shipped out 10/12 under-achieving high earning players, brought in a squad of 
hopefully good enough experienced players, got a manager with a proven record 
of success at this level, and are slowly climbing the league. Southampton was 
an unwelcome blip, but it’s done with now. 

 

From your frankly lunatic rants, I’d say you do need to leave this group, 
switch of your electronic devices and go and sit in your rocking chair with a 
good book and a favourite tipple at your side! 

 

John







On 4 Oct 2023, at 06:46, Michael Benjamin  wrote:



 

Mate
I walked out of the WhatsApp group for the same sarcy rudeness. 
Believe me, I am pissed off, and if I don’t belong then there is no fucking 
problem.
Just say the word & I walk—I truly don’t give a fuck anymore. Something really 
snapped on Saturday. It was a ‘WTF am I doing here?’ moment. A bunch of lazy, 
useless Jessies who won’t fight—again.
This is not the Leeds United I once knew & the supporters are not the same 
either. At ER I felt part of something; no one gobbed you off or smart-arsed at 
your expense. This was before the oafs from the BNP looked for fellow morons.
Once this was about Leeds & Leeds United – if it isn’t—then who the fucks needs 
it?
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From: Robert Heath 
Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2023 8:11 AM
To: Michael Benjamin 
Cc: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk; Kevin Lewis ; Leeds 
List 2010 
Subject: Re: [LU] Quiet after the weekend

 

"After Saturday I gave up. "

 

Really?

 

OK, bye then.

 

On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 6:59 PM Michael Benjamin  wrote:


It is.nt a must win because we are back to our level, as an upper mid-table 
second division team.
Aim for play offs, milk the supporters and flog off developing players who are 
here just to get somewhere else.
The twerp-like preparation for the season showed exactly what we are dealing 
with.
Why we bought this Gueyva or whatever his name is beyond me.
After Saturday I gave up. I've seen this carnival so many times.
I've been here 75 years, I still work and am not dottled. I resent being told 
out. Saturday showed just who we have and what fight there is. None.
We supporters are mugs.
This club is going nowhere. We have missed the boat and the gap to where we 
should have been is simply unbridgeable.
There are no more must wins, they are for teams and clubs with ambition and 
guts. We don't, and it's too late.

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Lee via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2023 8:00:22 PM
To: Kevin Lewis 
Cc: Leeds List 2010 
Subject: Re: [LU] Quiet after the weekend

Still work in progress I know, but I hope we see Rodon & Gray back in for Coops 
and Kamara. All our squad will have a role to play this season, but for now 
playing our best xi seems like a good idea?

Whilst Cooper sometimes plays well, there is undeniably a nervousness in 
Meslier when Coops is in front of him.

3 points v QPR is a must tomorrow!

> On 3 Oct 2023, at 14:29, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist  
> wrote:
>
> All very quiet after the weekend performance.  I guess the team are allowed
> a game where the never really get going. Conversely Soton took every
> opportunity they got and Leeds could not really come to terms with Alcaraz?
> Playing the false 9.  Cooper in particular was dragged into all sorts of
> strange areas.
> I don't think him and Struijk work too well together and think I would
> prefer to see Rodon with one or other.
>
> Whilst Farke has done well to get anything like a decent squad/team
> together I dothink there are areas where the balance is all wrong.
>
> Having right footers at left-back and left wing seems to really limit the
> success down that side. Summerville and James when on that side only come
> back inside, as do Shackleton or Byram at Left back.  Anthony looks the
> best bet for the moment as although right footed, he is preepared to go
> both ways.  I'd pick Summerville on the right ahead of James as he has more
> Variety.
>
> It is not getting the best out of Piroe at No 10.  Him playing 2nd striker,
> means that the midfield is often outnumbered. I'd like to see him up front,
> but confess I don't know who would go in the 10 role.  Perhaps a 3 man
> midfield of Ampaudu, Kamara and Gray.
>
> Lastly I'm not sure about Rut

Re: [LU] Quiet after the weekend

[John Lee via Leedslist]

   Michael

   It has always been a mystery to me how someone with psychiatric issues
   could see you as part of any solution? That mystery continues!
   John
   Ps - noted you avoided the subject of racism - convenient?

 On 4 Oct 2023, at 09:56, Michael Benjamin  wrote:

   

   Thanks for nothing
   Whoever is in charge – unsubscribe me
   FYI – I am still working and very fit
   As for attention seeking
   I leave that to you
   -- Michael


   
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   Community Psychiatrist.
   Oranit,
   ISRAEL
   SKYPE: BEDENOGA
   PHONE: +972-505-317772
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   [7]AMAZON AUTHORS PAGE.



   From: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
   Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2023 11:27 AM
   To: Michael Benjamin 
   Cc: Robert Heath ; Kevin Lewis
   ; Leeds List 2010 
   Subject: Re: [LU] Quiet after the weekend


   Jeez Michael, not another attention-seeking post? If you want to go,
   just go, you don’t need to tell everyone, as I suspect you’ll be
   waiting quite some time for a bunch of flowers and a ‘Good Luck for the
   Future’ card :-)


   The irony of you referring to the BNP, which was much worse in the 70s,
   then not being bothered to spell the name of our new Bulgarian player
   correctly? I wonder if you rail against the racism of the country you
   live in?


   Yes, the team is work-in-progress. From 2 awful seasons, we have been
   sold, shipped out 10/12 under-achieving high earning players, brought
   in a squad of hopefully good enough experienced players, got a manager
   with a proven record of success at this level, and are slowly climbing
   the league. Southampton was an unwelcome blip, but it’s done with now.


   From your frankly lunatic rants, I’d say you do need to leave this
   group, switch of your electronic devices and go and sit in your rocking
   chair with a good book and a favourite tipple at your side!


   John

 On 4 Oct 2023, at 06:46, Michael Benjamin <[8]m...@myray.com> wrote:

   

   Mate
   I walked out of the WhatsApp group for the same sarcy rudeness.
   Believe me, I am pissed off, and if I don’t belong then there is no
   fucking problem.
   Just say the word & I walk—I truly don’t give a fuck anymore. Something
   really snapped on Saturday. It was a ‘WTF am I doing here?’ moment. A
   bunch of lazy, useless Jessies who won’t fight—again.
   This is not the Leeds United I once knew & the supporters are not the
   same either. At ER I felt part of something; no one gobbed you off or
   smart-arsed at your expense. This was before the oafs from the BNP
   looked for fellow morons.
   Once this was about Leeds & Leeds United – if it isn’t—then who the
   fucks needs it?
   --Michael


   

   Dr  Michael Benjamin,
   Community Psychiatrist.
   Oranit,
   ISRAEL
   SKYPE: BEDENOGA
   PHONE: +972-505-317772
   [9]Online CBT ||   [10]Online Consultations
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   From: Robert Heath <[16]heathpalai...@gmail.com>
   Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2023 8:11 AM
   To: Michael Benjamin <[17]m...@myray.com>
   Cc: [18]bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk; Kevin Lewis
   <[19]kevlewi...@googlemail.com>; Leeds List 2010
   <[20]leedslist@gn.apc.org>
   Subject: Re: [LU] Quiet after the weekend


   "After Saturday I gave up. "


   Really?


   OK, bye then.


   On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 6:59 PM Michael Benjamin <[21]m...@myray.com>
   wrote:

 It is.nt a must win because we are back to our level, as an upper
 mid-table second division team.
 Aim for play offs, milk the supporters and flog off developing
 players who are here just to get somewhere else.
 The twerp-like preparation for the season showed exactly what we are
 dealing with.
 Why we bought this Gueyva or whatever his name is beyond me.
 After Saturday I gave up. I've seen this carnival so many times.
 I've been here 75 years, I still work and am not dottled. I resent
 being told out. Saturday showed just who we have and what fight
 there is. None.
 We supporters are mugs.
 This club is going nowhere. We have missed the boat and the gap to
 where we should have been is simply unbridgeable.
 There are no more must wins, they are for teams and clubs with
 ambition and guts. We don't, and it's too late.
 Get Outlook for Android<[22]https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
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 From: Leedslist <[23]leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> on behalf of John
 Lee via Leedslist <[24]leedslist@gn.apc.org>
 Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2023 8:00:22 PM
 To: Kevin Lewis <[25]kevlewi...@googlemail.com>
 Cc: Leeds List 2010 <[26]leedslist@gn.apc.org>
 Subje

Re: [LU] Quiet after the weekend

[John Lee via Leedslist]

   Jeez Michael, not another attention-seeking post? If you want to go,
   just go, you don’t need to tell everyone, as I suspect you’ll be
   waiting quite some time for a bunch of flowers and a ‘Good Luck for the
   Future’ card :-)

   The irony of you referring to the BNP, which was much worse in the 70s,
   then not being bothered to spell the name of our new Bulgarian player
   correctly? I wonder if you rail against the racism of the country you
   live in?

   Yes, the team is work-in-progress. From 2 awful seasons, we have been
   sold, shipped out 10/12 under-achieving high earning players, brought
   in a squad of hopefully good enough experienced players, got a manager
   with a proven record of success at this level, and are slowly climbing
   the league. Southampton was an unwelcome blip, but it’s done with now.

   From your frankly lunatic rants, I’d say you do need to leave this
   group, switch of your electronic devices and go and sit in your rocking
   chair with a good book and a favourite tipple at your side!

   John

 On 4 Oct 2023, at 06:46, Michael Benjamin  wrote:

   

   Mate
   I walked out of the WhatsApp group for the same sarcy rudeness.
   Believe me, I am pissed off, and if I don’t belong then there is no
   fucking problem.
   Just say the word & I walk—I truly don’t give a fuck anymore. Something
   really snapped on Saturday. It was a ‘WTF am I doing here?’ moment. A
   bunch of lazy, useless Jessies who won’t fight—again.
   This is not the Leeds United I once knew & the supporters are not the
   same either. At ER I felt part of something; no one gobbed you off or
   smart-arsed at your expense. This was before the oafs from the BNP
   looked for fellow morons.
   Once this was about Leeds & Leeds United – if it isn’t—then who the
   fucks needs it?
   --Michael


   
   Dr  Michael Benjamin,
   Community Psychiatrist.
   Oranit,
   ISRAEL
   SKYPE: BEDENOGA
   PHONE: +972-505-317772
   [1]Online CBT ||   [2]Online Consultations
   BLOG: [3]Times Of Israel || [4]Quora || [5]Jerusalem Post ||
   [6]MYCYBERTHERAPY BLOG
   [7]AMAZON AUTHORS PAGE.



   From: Robert Heath 
   Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2023 8:11 AM
   To: Michael Benjamin 
   Cc: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk; Kevin Lewis ;
   Leeds List 2010 
   Subject: Re: [LU] Quiet after the weekend


   "After Saturday I gave up. "


   Really?


   OK, bye then.


   On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 6:59 PM Michael Benjamin <[8]m...@myray.com>
   wrote:

 It is.nt a must win because we are back to our level, as an upper
 mid-table second division team.
 Aim for play offs, milk the supporters and flog off developing
 players who are here just to get somewhere else.
 The twerp-like preparation for the season showed exactly what we are
 dealing with.
 Why we bought this Gueyva or whatever his name is beyond me.
 After Saturday I gave up. I've seen this carnival so many times.
 I've been here 75 years, I still work and am not dottled. I resent
 being told out. Saturday showed just who we have and what fight
 there is. None.
 We supporters are mugs.
 This club is going nowhere. We have missed the boat and the gap to
 where we should have been is simply unbridgeable.
 There are no more must wins, they are for teams and clubs with
 ambition and guts. We don't, and it's too late.
 Get Outlook for Android<[9]https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
 
 From: Leedslist <[10]leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org> on behalf of John
 Lee via Leedslist <[11]leedslist@gn.apc.org>
 Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2023 8:00:22 PM
 To: Kevin Lewis <[12]kevlewi...@googlemail.com>
 Cc: Leeds List 2010 <[13]leedslist@gn.apc.org>
 Subject: Re: [LU] Quiet after the weekend
 Still work in progress I know, but I hope we see Rodon & Gray back
 in for Coops and Kamara. All our squad will have a role to play this
 season, but for now playing our best xi seems like a good idea?
 Whilst Cooper sometimes plays well, there is undeniably a
 nervousness in Meslier when Coops is in front of him.
 3 points v QPR is a must tomorrow!
 > On 3 Oct 2023, at 14:29, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist
 <[14]leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
 >
 > All very quiet after the weekend performance.  I guess the team
 are allowed
 > a game where the never really get going. Conversely Soton took
 every
 > opportunity they got and Leeds could not really come to terms with
 Alcaraz?
 > Playing the false 9.  Cooper in particular was dragged into all
 sorts of
 > strange areas.
 > I don't think him and Struijk work too well together and think I
 would
 > prefer to see Rodon with one or other.
 >
 > Whilst Farke has done well to get anything like a decent
 

Re: [LU] Quiet after the weekend

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Still work in progress I know, but I hope we see Rodon & Gray back in for Coops 
and Kamara. All our squad will have a role to play this season, but for now 
playing our best xi seems like a good idea? 

Whilst Cooper sometimes plays well, there is undeniably a nervousness in 
Meslier when Coops is in front of him. 

3 points v QPR is a must tomorrow!

> On 3 Oct 2023, at 14:29, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> All very quiet after the weekend performance.  I guess the team are allowed
> a game where the never really get going. Conversely Soton took every
> opportunity they got and Leeds could not really come to terms with Alcaraz?
> Playing the false 9.  Cooper in particular was dragged into all sorts of
> strange areas.
> I don't think him and Struijk work too well together and think I would
> prefer to see Rodon with one or other.
> 
> Whilst Farke has done well to get anything like a decent squad/team
> together I dothink there are areas where the balance is all wrong.
> 
> Having right footers at left-back and left wing seems to really limit the
> success down that side. Summerville and James when on that side only come
> back inside, as do Shackleton or Byram at Left back.  Anthony looks the
> best bet for the moment as although right footed, he is preepared to go
> both ways.  I'd pick Summerville on the right ahead of James as he has more
> Variety.
> 
> It is not getting the best out of Piroe at No 10.  Him playing 2nd striker,
> means that the midfield is often outnumbered. I'd like to see him up front,
> but confess I don't know who would go in the 10 role.  Perhaps a 3 man
> midfield of Ampaudu, Kamara and Gray.
> 
> Lastly I'm not sure about Rutter. He did have a blinder v Watford, but he
> looks to me like one of those players who frustrates 90% of the time, then
> does something brilliant. As when he raced round the Soton defence and then
> made a poor choice.
> 
> Perhaps he would be best cutting in from the right to join the attack from
> there.
> 
> Anyway, if we win the next 2 home games we will be back on track, so it
> might be better than I fear.
> 
> KOT.
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Re: [LU] Tonight's starting XI and bench

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Look a lot stronger now that Summerville is on for Gnonto. It looks like 
another game where Dull’s best player is going to be their goalie?

Apart from some dodgy passes from Ayling a pretty impressive first half - just 
need a goal!



> On 20 Sep 2023, at 19:09, John Boocock  wrote:
> 
> Starting XI: Meslier (GK), Ayling (C), Ampadu, Piroe, Rodon, Shackleton, 
> James, Struijk, Gray, Rutter, Gnonto.
> 
> Substitutes: Darlow (GK), Cooper, Kamara, Summerville, Anthony, Byram, 
> Poveda, Gelhardt, Gruev.
> 
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[LU] Miwworl

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Not seen any posts so thought I’d comment - if you can’t crow about a result 
like that against that club when can you?

Early days obviously, but there are signs of becoming contenders at least. 
Ampadu looks a great buy and deservedly got MOTM, but a very impressive team 
performance, and well taken goals. Rutter’s happiness and giddyness is 
infectious, although I hope he develops more robustness when being tackled - 
he’s pretty tricky to mark because no-one knows what he’s going to do, least of 
all himself. 

I can’t think of any recent manager with a 2 wins, 3 draws, 1 defeat who 
wouldn’t already have fans wanting him sacked, but Farke is proving to be a 
very good fit indeed! I still can’t marry his voice to the absolutely evil 
glare he’s got though :-) 

Alles gut!

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Re: [LU] Transfer latest from Betty Towers

[John Lee via Leedslist]

It is all rather exciting :-) 

I was pleased the club refused to compromise with the German guy Amiri who 
wanted a Get Out clause if we didn’t go up this season! No more contracts like 
that say the club.

50/50 re Greenwood - good deadball skills, but hasn’t really become a first 
teamer. Ditto Gyabi, but he looks a bit lightweight. As for Drameh, he may well 
make the grade, but his attitude is way ahead of his ability at the moment! 



Sent from my iPad

> On 31 Aug 2023, at 14:19, John Boocock  wrote:
> 
> My staff have been busy reading 
> https://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/Sport/Football/Championship/Leeds+United and this 
> is their latest update:
> 
> Incoming
> 
> * Rangers midfielder Glen Kamara - medical today
> * AS Roma winger Ola Solbakken - talks today
> * Werder Bremen defensive midfielder Ilia Gruev - medical today
> * Spurs defender Djed Spence - signed
> 
> Already signed/loaned to us:
> 
> * Ethan Ampadu (Chelsea)
> * Karl Darlow (Newcastle United)
> * Sam Byram (Norwich City)
> * Joe Rodon (Tottenham Hotspur)
> * Joel Piroe (Swansea City)
> 
> On the bus into town for the last time:
> 
> * Dremah
> * Gelhardt
> * Greenwood
> * Gyabi (allegedly)
> 
> N.B. loan rules will apply though when playing Leeds.
> 
> There is also quite a long list of players we did not get and of course those 
> wh0 took the transfer option embedded in their Ortacontracts.
> 
> Can anyone add/subtract any more names?
> 
> Betty
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Re: [LU] nonLU Northern Soul at the Proms

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Agree 100%. I only watched for 4/5 songs, and may have another crack later, but 
the male leader singer really did lack soul - others on my fb feed have raved 
about it, but it seemed pretty sterile to me, and not a little corny!

On the plus side though, we got 3 points :-) 

A long way to go re the team, but there are signs of a decent team being built. 
Around 2/3 years back I remember arguing we should build a team around 
Shackleton, and whilst he’s had a few dodgy spells, I still think he’s a 
brilliant player, and in a good team will be even better. This season has 
strengthened that view, although I suspect that more incoming transfers might 
squeeze him out again? 

Amazing really that 4 games in no-one is calling for Farke’s head - whisper it 
quietly, but we may just have found a very good manager?

> On 27 Aug 2023, at 06:49, Damian WALSH  wrote:
> 
> Did anybody watch/ listen last night? I did, in a post-victory good mood,
> and it was alright - but to me the singers were lacking something (Soul!)
> and never quite matched the music.
> 
> Then the sight of all the old, fat guys dancing in the aisles soured the
> mood a bit further because they could have been me :(
> 
> Anyway - up early for first training session of the season this morning. My
> season starts next week though I'll miss the first game because I'm
> travelling for work. Do we have any listers in Jutland?
> 
> Damian
> 
> PS get well soon Steve Gillen!
> 
> -- 
> 
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> 
> 
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[LU] Another transfer incoming?

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Sky are reporting we’re in talks to sign Paintsil from Genk for £8.5million - 
here’s the Wiki header re him

—
Joseph Paintsil is a Ghanaian professional footballer who plays as an attacking 
midfielder or a left winger for Belgian club Genk, and the Ghana national team. 
Wikipedia
Born: 1 February 1998 (age 25 years), Accra, Ghana
Current teams: K.R.C. Genk (#28 / Forward), Ghana national football team (#15 / 
Forward)
Height: 1.7 m
Nationality: Ghanaian
Dates joined: 2018 (K.R.C. Genk), 2017 (Ferencvárosi TC), 2015 (Tema Youth FC)

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Re: [LU] Incoming from officious Email

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Indeed, I believe his Dad was a detective ;-) 

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> On 25 Aug 2023, at 08:10, Damian WALSH  wrote:
> 
> Is that the Yorkshire Piroe?
> 
> Damian
> 
>> Le jeu. 24 août 2023 à 23:21, John Boocock  a écrit :
>> 
>> Leeds United are delighted to announce the signing of Swansea City striker
>> Joel Piroe, subject to a work permit and international clearance.
>> 
>> The 24-year-old Dutchman joins the Whites in a permanent transfer,
>> arriving at Elland Road for an undisclosed fee.
>> 
>> He has put pen-to-paper on a four-year deal in West Yorkshire, running
>> until the summer of 2027.
>> 
>> Piroe becomes the club’s fifth signing of the summer transfer window,
>> following the arrivals of Ethan Ampadu, Sam Bryam, Karl Darlow and Joe
>> Rodon.
>> 
>> He will wear the number 7 shirt during his time at Elland Road.
>> 
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Re: [LU] Transfer policy

[John Lee via Leedslist]

I’m with you re Orta - some didn’t work out, ahem, but we gambled on supposedly 
decent players.

Anyway, more pressing news - Gnonto is now training with the first team again. 
Won’t his first home game be ‘interesting’ - he’ll need to score plenty to even 
have a chance of this being forgotten, the petulant little sh*te! 

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> On 22 Aug 2023, at 13:41, Damian WALSH  wrote:
> 
> I previously said I don't entirely blame Orta for last season's debacle -
> and I don't, he really doesn't deserve half the shit he gets - however, he
> had many more misses than hits, which in actual fact is pretty par for the
> course for Leeds.
> 
> Is one of the problems our underlying strategy?
> 
> Looking back over my lifetime the biggest successes we have had in the
> transfer market were the grizzled old-timers: Bobby Collins, Gordon
> Strachan anyone?
> 
> We've also had success with players who were at least mature when we bought
> them: Johnny Giles, Gary McAllister, Allan Clarke and so on
> 
> I can't think of many examples of us buying young first-teamers that were
> unequivocally  successful.
> 
> Why do we waste our time buying for the future when the future is sackcloth
> & ashes?
> 
> Damian
> 
> -- 
> 
> *Damian WALSH*
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
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Re: [LU] First (past the) Post

[John Lee via Leedslist]

It ain’t like it used to be :-(

Sadly, the football is!

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> On 22 Aug 2023, at 09:22, John Boocock  wrote:
> 
> Damien,
> 
> Welcome home (as the greatest pop duo on the planet might say).
> 
> Student? Pah! Been a student for this last 5 years me.
> 
> See you at the next sit-in up the admin block
> 
> Red Betty
> 
>> On 22/08/2023 08:27, Damian WALSH wrote:
>> In fact I've just started college and I understand that you are all very
>> welcoming to newbie students 😄
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Re: [LU] Bye bye jack

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Of all the players who’ve gone, Rodrigo aside, none of them were good enough 
for the Premier League. Obviously I’m hoping some serious recruitment plans are 
in place for the next 2/3 weeks, but the players who have gone pretty much got 
us relegated/almost relegated twice in 2 seasons - they simply are not good 
enough. Harrison scored some great goals, but his crossing was often woeful, 
and whilst he always tried, is that enough? And when we needed him now, he’s 
buggered off! OK, it’s a short career etc, but for me he’s on the 
quitters/mutineers list. 

If I had a season ticket I might be questioning exactly what I have paid to 
watch, but this clear-out is long overdue - hopefully this is the start of the 
club being run professionally (famous last words). On the still not yet gone 
list, I hope Adams, Summerville and Sinisterra can be co-erced into staying, 
but it seems like the entire first team will be gone soon!

It almost makes the Cellino era look settled - almost ;-) 

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> On 14 Aug 2023, at 10:44, nattan--- via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> So yet another player leaves with no money coming in , what an absolute and 
> utter shambles we are
> Unlike the other 11 or whatever who i was glad to see the back of and who are 
> already forgotten,  jackie has been  really good for us.
> A real mainstay of the Bielsa team he always gave his all on the pitch and 
> was always trying to improve himself.He had a magic first touch and scored / 
> created some great and really important goals for us
> A shame he would not stay and fight to get us  back up - though given the 
> current mess who can blame him wanting out?- but he, at least goes leaving 
> good memories and with (half) my best wishes
> After the Brum debacle and 2 keepers on a not full bench, i am almost glad to 
> be going away and missing Friday's game 
> I feel sorry for Farke having to deal with yet another set of incompetent 
> owners 
> Dave
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Re: [LU] Fwd: Cardiff

[John Lee via Leedslist]

My problem with trying to ‘analyse’ where the club is at is at is that until 
the transfer window closes we have no idea who is staying. I doubt Gnonto will 
be at Leeds, rumours are rife about Summerville wanting a move, but key for me 
will be if an unfit Adams can be held onto? If we were to lose all 3 then 
hopefully replacements have been targetted, but we will undoubtedly be weaker. 
Adams aside, I can’t think of a single Leeds player who hasn’t been criticised 
by our fickle fans and I can’t blame any of them from wanting away. Meslier and 
Bamford in particular must be sick of the numb-nut armchair managers. That 
said, I’d be surprised if Leeds haven’t looked at Paddy’s medical insurance 
with a view to laying him off? On his day he is a class player, but his body 
just doesn’t seem up to it? 

On the basis of just one game though, I know Farke will be happier than the 
Cardiff manager as to what the future looks like. Roll on the end of the 
transfer window though!


> On 8 Aug 2023, at 13:46, seanscribe--- via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Cody Drameh can't get fit fast enough for me. Ayling has been a marvelous 
> servant to the club, but he's no longer a good enough defender to start for a 
> club aiming for promotion. We know for a fact (given his Luton experience 
> last season) that Drameh is. I also couldn't understand Farke's decision to 
> not start Poveda, who's been an absolute revelation during pre-season. I'd 
> have gone with Sinisterra on the left, Summerville or Gelhardt behind Gnonto 
> in the middle, and Poveda on the right. That attacking set up would get 
> goals. Once the team's ahead and Cardiff have to chase the game, THEN you 
> bring on James to exploit the space behind their defence. 
> Cheers!
> Sean
>On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 06:08:56 AM EDT, Nick 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Bit late to this, but yes, Dave, pretty much agree with that. 
> 
> Ayling and Cooper are creaking - despite Cooper’s cracking goal - for Cooper 
> the judgement now is whether his undoubted leadership qualities makes up for 
> the declining / limited qualities as a defender. Hjelde looked at sea as a 
> left back. Dan James is fast and unguided - he doesn’t do enough with the 
> ball once he has it, hopefully we will get a fit and engaged Harrison back 
> soon
> 
> On the plusses though Cresswell and Byram came on and did well - Byram added 
> some zip and confidence down the left. Looking forward to seeing what Drameh 
> can bring as well - we might have a decent and young back five in a couple of 
> weeks. I suspect it is not worth getting too hung up on Meslier, who I think 
> is a fine young keeper but who is shell-shocked after the last 18 months 
> behind our defence - the same could be said of Struijk - because who knows 
> how long Meslier will remain at the club.
> 
> Gray and Ampadu were quality in the middle - Ampadu gets his foot in, and 
> makes good use of the ball, while Gray looks very accomplished - hope his 
> progress continues.
> 
> The kind of total football forward line of Sinisterra, Somerville and Gnonto 
> (and James) where everyone doesn’t really have a position, but just roam and 
> cause havoc where they can, really looks like a promising way forward…if we 
> can keep everyone - or most of them given we have Jack H and Poveda - who 
> came on and had a very effective 20 minutes or so - to factor in.
> 
> Promising indeed.
> 
> Nick
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>> 
>>> From: nattan--- via Leedslist >> >
>>> Subject: [LU] Cardiff
>>> Date: 6 August 2023 at 19:52:54 BST
>>> To: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
>>> Reply-To: "nat...@sky.com " >> >
>>> 
>>> " f off home and shag your sheep" chanted leeds fans at the end ( i make no 
>>> comment re Yorkshire sheep shaggers ) and it made us laugh but at one point 
>>> this song could easily have been booing the team off .
>>> After 2 boring and pretty awful years in the Prem, this was a return to the 
>>> championship and the madness that goes with it.
>>> Pre game we all agreed that no predictions about the season coukd 
>>> realistically be made till the window is shut, and  i stick with that view. 
>>> Keep Summerville,  Sinisterra and Gnonto and add a good goalscorer/ no 9 
>>> and we can walk this league , lose those 3 and don't add to the squad and 
>>> things will be tough.
>>> Oversall we were streets ahead of cardiff as Ampadu and Gray bossed the 
>>> midfield and the 3 lads up front tore holes through their defence.  This 
>>> game could have been 3 or 4 nil and not flattered us.
>>> However all our failings came back and it made even a point look dodgy for 
>>> a long period.
>>> We gave away 2 really soft goals, Hjelde proved he is not a left back and 
>>> Ayling,  much as i love him, showed he is finished,  as we let them have 
>>> the freedom of our last third of the pitch and our penalty area, so we were 
>>> suddenly 2 down,  having nearly sc

Re: [LU] From the archives

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Hope you saw my 2 Joke de Jours mails David?

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> On 31 Jul 2023, at 23:47, outlook_08f25012e96fd...@outlook.com 
>  wrote:
> 
>   Still lurking.
> 
>   Didn’t we use to have a “Joke du jour”? Perhaps it was somewhere else.
> 
>   The coat will be going on this Sunday to trudge down Lowfields Road
>   with all the other masochists
> 
> 
>   David Bromley
> 
> 
>   Sent from [1]Mail for Windows
> 
> 
>   From: [2]John Boocock
>   Sent: 31 July 2023 12:33
>   To: [3]Leeds List
>   Subject: [LU] From the archives
> 
> 
>   I am currently working on a project about football fans in Leeds and
>   the
> 
>   internet and stuff for a thing the Central Library is doing in Leeds.
> 
>   Looking back at the list archives from 17 years ago I came up with this
> 
>   beauty: I don't know where David Bromley is these days but I hope he
>   has
> 
>   his coat on
> 
> 
>   Betty
> 
> 
>   *david bromley * da...@bromleyhouse.freeserve.co.uk
> 
>   
> 
>   /Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:07:51 -/
> 
> 
> 
> (LU) FIRST JOKE ON T'NEW LIST?
> 
> 
>   A man and his wife are awakened at 3 o'clock in the morning by a loud
> 
>   pounding on the door. The man gets up and goes to the door where a
> 
>   drunken stranger, standing in the pouring rain, is asking for a push.
> 
>   "Not a chance," says the husband, "it is 3 o'clock in the morning!"
> 
> 
>   He slams the door and returns to bed. "Who was that?" asked his wife.
> 
>   "Just some drunken guy asking for a push," he answers. "Did you help
> 
>   him?" she asks. "No, I did not! Its 3 o'clock in the morning and it is
> 
>   pouring out there!"
> 
> 
>   "Well, you have a short memory," says his wife. "Can't you remember
> 
>   about three months ago when we broke down and those two guys helped us?
> 
>   I think you should help him, and you should be ashamed of yourself!"
> 
> 
>   The man does as he is told, gets dressed, and goes out into the
>   pounding
> 
>   rain. He calls out into the dark, "Hello, are you still there?" "Yes"
> 
>   comes back the answer.
> 
> 
>   "Do you still need a push?" calls out the husband. "Yes, Please!" comes
> 
>   the reply from the dark. "Where are you?" asks the husband. "Over
> 
>   here... on the swing!" replies the drunk.
> 
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Re: [LU] New season

[John Lee via Leedslist]

I’m not ‘too’ pessimistic - the 49ers have clearly had plenty to deal with 
financially, the stream of quitters now on loan has been both helpful and 
unhelpful, but the clamour to give our youth a chance is hopefully going to 
happen? I don’t see Paddy being fit enough for more than 20 starts, ditto 
Sinisterra too maybe? But there are players with big points to prove - Perkins, 
Joseph, Drameh (although I still can’t see him staying), Cresswell, Gray and 
Helde. 

I don’t subscribe to the ‘done nothing’ line - clearly incorrect, but it has 
been a very modest transfer window so far - I suspect there’s an element of 
let’s get the season started and see how we go before bringing anyone else in? 

Enjoy the rest of this week, because one thing is for sure, we’ll all have very 
different views after the Cardiff game :-) 



> On 1 Aug 2023, at 16:38, Michael Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> I find it so uplifting that the Yanks have learned the Leeds way. 
> -- Do fuck all and pretend that it is enough 
> 
> 
> Dr  Michael Benjamin, 
> Community Psychiatrist.
> Oranit,
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of nattan--- via 
> Leedslist
> Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2023 5:07 PM
> To: leeds list 
> Subject: [LU] New season
> 
> Like every season i am champing at the bit to return to ER but it is so hard 
> to work out what to expect. If we can keep the likes of Sinisterra 
> Summerville Gnonto and Adams we have the makings of a good championship team, 
> less so if they all depart I do find it odd and worrying that with 5 days to 
> go, it looks like we will go into the new season with no left back, or , at 
> best, an injury prone right back ( byram) playing there Equally we , at 
> present   are relying on an injury prone and currently injured centre 
> forward, who even at his best was wasteful in front of goal. Bamford has been 
> a good servant but injured for 2 seasons and surely it would be madness to 
> rely on a combination of him, an unproven kid ( josep) and a winger playing 
> out of position (Rutter) to score the goals we will need.
> I know the window does not shut till end of August but too many things need 
> sorting for my liking 
> 
> Dave
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[LU] Fwd: LU: Non LUFC: Best jokes of the Edinburgh Fringe 2004

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Betty - here’s another Ralph list classic from 2004

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Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Ralph" 
> Date: 4 October 2004 at 11:04:58 CEST
> To: "Leeds United Email List" 
> Subject: LU: Non LUFC: Best jokes of the Edinburgh Fringe 2004
> 
> The dodo died. Then Dodi died, Di died and Dando died... Dido must be
> sh*tting herself.
> Colin & Fergus at the Pleasance
> 
> My parents are from Glasgow which means they're incredibly hard, but I was
> never smacked as a child ... well maybe one or two grams to get me to sleep
> at night.
> Susan Murray at the Underbelly
> 
> Is it fair to say that there'd be less litter in Britain if blind people
> were given pointed sticks?
> Adam Bloom at the Pleasance
> 
> My mum and dad are Scottish but they moved down to Wolverhampton when I was
> two, 'cause they wanted me to sound like a tw*t.
> Susan Murray at the Underbelly
> 
> A lady with a clipboard stopped me in the street the other day. She said,
> "Can you spare a few minutes for cancer research?" I said, "All right, but
> we're not going to get much done."
> Jimmy Carr at the ICC
> 
> I realised I was dyslexic when I went to a toga party dressed as a goat.
> Marcus Brigstocke at the Assembly Rooms
> 
> My dad's dying wish was to have his family around him. I can't help thinking
> he would have been better off with more oxygen.
> Jimmy Carr at the ICC
> 
> You have to remember all the trivia that your girlfriend tells you, because
> eventually you get tested. She'll go: "What's my favourite flower?" And you
> murmur to yourself: "Sh*t, I wasn't listening ... Self-raising?"
> Addy Van-Der-Borgh at the Assembly Rooms
> 
> The world is a dangerous place; only yesterday I went into Boots and punched
> someone in the face.
> Jeremy Limb, at the Trap
> 
> Cats have nine lives. Which makes them ideal for experimentation.
> Jimmy Carr
> 
> I saw that show, 50 Things To Do Before You Die. I would have thought the
> obvious one was "Shout For Help".
> Mark Watson, Rhod Gilbert at the Tron
> 
> I went out with an Irish Catholic. Very frustrating. You can take the Girl
> out of Cork ...
> Markus Birdman at the Pod Deco
> 
> Got a phone call today to do a gig at a fire station. Went along. Turned out
> it was a bloody hoax.
> Adrian Poynton at the Pleasance
> 
> Employee of the month is a good example of how somebody can be both a winner
> and a loser at the same time.
> Demetri Martin at the Assembly Rooms
> 
> The right to bear arms is slightly less ludicrous than the right to arm
> bears.
> Chris Addison at the Pleasance
> 
> My dad is Irish and my mum is Iranian, which meant that we spent most of our
> family holidays in Customs.
> Patrick Monahan at the Gilded Balloon
> 
> Sleeping with prostitutes is like making your cat dance with you on its hind
> legs. You know it's wrong, but you try to convince yourself that they're
> enjoying it as well.
> Scott Capurro at the Pleasance
> 
> A dog goes into a hardware store and says: "I'd like a job please". The
> hardware store owner says: "We don't hire dogs, why don't you go join the
> circus?" The dog replies: "What would the circus want with a plumber".
> Steven Alan Green at C34
> 
> Hey - you want to feel really handsome? Go shopping at The Warehouse.
> Brendon Burns at the Pleasance
> 
> I like to go into the Body Shop and shout out really loud "I've already got
> one!"
> Norman Lovett at The Stand
> 
> It's easy to distract fat people. It's a piece of cake.
> Chris Addison at the Pleasance
> 
> I enjoy using the comedy technique of self-deprecation - but I'm not very
> good at it.
> Arnold Brown at The Stand
> 
> If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then
> on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for
> that.
> Milton Jones at the Underbelly
> 
> I was walking the streets of Glasgow the other week and I saw this sign:
> "This door is alarmed." I said to myself: "How do you think I feel?"
> Arnold Brown at The Stand
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [LU] Final delve into the archives

[John Lee via Leedslist]

I’ll have you know Gary Speed was a slightly trimmer version of me ;-) 

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> On 1 Aug 2023, at 11:09, John Boocock  wrote:
> 
> This is a fabulous post about the MOALM fron Gav:
> 
> From gburn...@vax.ox.ac.uk Tue Mar 26 12:14:45 1996
> Reply-To: Gavin Burnage 
> Subject: LU: Meet Report
> 
> Time for a change at the top of our club I think - Wilko has worked
> many wonders but now we need a fresh approach. What we saw on
> Sunday is something I've seen too often over recent months and
> years.
> 
> Football aside it was a memorable weekend, and in the style of
> Boocock here are some of the things I remember in an incoherent
> order.
> 
> ==
> 
> Roger's suit and tie. The man was a model of sartorial eloquence
> (he still went round bellowing "bollocks" every two minutes though)
> 
> First ever public appearance of Muckshifter
> 
> Brendan McWilliams being 5' 1" instead of the widely expected 7' 2"
> 
> Vic's custom-built leeds-uni...@vax.ox.ac.uk jackets
> 
> David and Kate Brennan's his and hers matching wembley 96 t-shirts
> 
> Voice's brother being a total Boffin
> 
> Simon Cunningham and Voice continuing the "trendy bands no one's
> heard of" thread (I made an excuse and left to avoid saying anything
> embarrassing like "what do you reckon to Abba then?")
> 
> Graham White looking, erm, staggering
> 
> Four people in Leeds tops in a Pizza parlour asking for their
> white wine to be properly chilled and served in an ice bucket
> 
> Being I told I don't look like Cantona any more but that top cool
> trendy Italian blerk whose name I've forgotten again (remind me
> DRB)
> 
> James Lundon buying me a pint
> 
> Boocock's banner even if it didn't get on telly, complete with
> stains
> 
> Champagne and curry
> 
> Guy Thornton's threadbare wolley hat and the little plastic model
> of him above the bar in the Constitution (right down to the
> moustache)
> 
> Stuart Lee nibbling his pint of lager nervously till Bob Case
> arrived with his raffled ticket
> 
> Singing outside the Fox and Hounds after the police "raid" which
> some intemperate next door neighbour provoked at the uneartly hour
> of 10:45pm.
> 
> Finally meeting another of the list's Andy Kings
> 
> John Lee being described as "a fat version of Gary Speed"
> 
> The extremley loud-mouthed whingeing lass sat behind me in the
> ground shutting up a bit after I told her to (well really it was
> worse than the list on one of its hungover/pissed off days except
> that I couldn't delete it)
> 
> Some blerk winding Vic's elbow up and down saying "I am a Leeds fan from
> Leeds, You are a Leeds fan from Los Angeles: I shake your hand"
> 
> Revd Lee distributing Opal Fruits at half time
> 
> Talking Welsh to Mike Cheetam's girlfriend
> 
> Talking crap to just about everyone else (okay my Welsh wasn't
> exactly much kop either)
> 
> The poor kid who wandered into the Constitution, packed with Leeds,
> with a Man U bag on his back.
> 
> Wobbley Stadium - 3.20 for a "double hotdog"?  "We don't sell chips
> separately"?? I'll be bringing salmon paste sarnies and a flask of
> Mellow Birds for the Euro 96 games (anyone else off to that btw?)
> 
> Realising there were two Boococks about - Boocock and Brother of
> Boocock. A sobering thought, but not for long
> 
> Gary MacAllister walking resolutely round the Leeds fans at the end
> of the game to acknowledge us - Nice one Gary.
> 
> Police-people irritatingly making us walk the length and breadth of
> Wembley train station to get to our train on the way back instead
> of letting us straight down the steps to it - then shouting at Adam
> Woodhall for sticking his foot in the door as we sprinted to make it.
> 
> Becks getting bought drinks by everybody, all the time
> 
> Wondering whatever happened to Mark Humphries and Glynn Robinson
> 
> Rumours sweeping the pub that Joo Tan was present
> 
> Tim Sherlock laughing at an Amazing Joke which he refused to repeat
> 
> Nigel Kinder leaving as soon as I arrived
> 
> Voice of Football is a wanker is a wanker
> 
> ... well that'll do. Well done people who did any organising for
> the meets. It was Probably The Best List Meet In The World.
> 
> Shame about the footie.
> 
> Cheers,
> Gav
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[LU] Fwd: Non LUFC: Joke de jour (the old ones are still mildly amusing

[John Lee via Leedslist]

As Betty scours the list archives he reminded me of 2 emails in positions no 1 
& 2 in my Inbox - both from Ralph in NZ, and his often humorous posts - this is 
from 2011 - the other is 2004 but it appears to be playing up!

Begin forwarded message:

> From: ra...@inspire.net.nz
> Date: 22 August 2011 at 06:43:12 CEST
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: [LU] Non LUFC: Joke de jour (the old ones are still mildly amusing
> 
> Dear Tech Support, 
> 
> Last year I upgraded from Boyfriend to Husband and noticed a distinct 
> slowdown in overall system performance, particularly in the flower and 
> jewellery applications, which had operated flawlessly under Boyfriend. 
> 
> In addition, Husband uninstalled many other valuable programmes, such as 
> Romance and Personal Attention, and then installed undesirable programs 
> such as Rugby, Football, Sailing and Continuous TV. Conversation no longer 
> runs, and Housecleaning simply crashes the system. I've tried running 
> Nagging to fix these problems, but to no avail. 
> 
> What can I do? 
> 
> Signed, Desperate 
> 
> ..
> ... 
> 
> 
> Dear Desperate, 
> 
> First keep in mind, Boyfriend is an Entertainment Package, while Husband 
> is an Operating System. Please enter the command: 'http: I Thought You 
> Loved Me.html' and try to download Tears. 
> 
> Don't forget to install the Guilt update. If that application works as 
> designed, Husband should then automatically run the applications Jewellery 
> and Flowers. But remember - overuse of the above application can cause 
> Husband to default to Grumpy Silence, Garden Shed or Beer. Beer is a very 
> bad program that will download the Snoring Loudly Beta. 
> 
> Whatever you do, DO NOT install Mother-in-Law (it runs a virus in the 
> background that will eventually seize control of all your system 
> resources). Also, do not attempt to reinstall the Boyfriend program. These 
> are unsupported applications and will crash Husband. 
> 
> In summary, Husband is a great system, but it does have limited memory and 
> cannot learn new applications quickly. It also tends to work better 
> running one task at a time. You might consider buying additional software 
> to improve memory and performance. We recommend Food and Hot Lingerie. 
> 
> Good Luck, Tech Support 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> This message was sent using InSPire Net Webmail.
> http://www.inspire.net.nz
> 
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Re: [LU] EFL finally approve the takeover

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Let the fun begin :-) 

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> On 17 Jul 2023, at 22:20, Wiggy  wrote:
> 
>   From the official site…
> 
>   Statement.
> 
>   Today, Leeds United Football Club can announce that the EFL has
>   approved the sale of the Club to 49ers Enterprises, paving the way for
>   the immediate transition of ownership.
> 
>   Paraag Marathe, previously Vice Chairman and Board member of the Club,
>   will take over as Leeds United Chairman. In this role, Marathe will
>   oversee all aspects of the Club, including football and business
>   operations, and drive the strategy to fight for promotion back to the
>   Premier League in the 2023-2024 season. Marathe takes over
>   from Andrea Radrizzani, who has been majority owner of Leeds United
>   since 2017. Angus Kinnear, CEO of Leeds United and Board member, will
>   remain in his current position, and continue to direct the Club’s
>   day-to-day operations. Rudy Cline-Thomas, Founder and Managing Partner
>   of MASTRY, will join the Board as Co-Owner and Vice Chairman of the
>   Club.
> 
>   “This is an important moment for Leeds United and we are already hard
>   at work,” said Marathe. “This transition is a necessary reset to chart
>   a new course for the Club. We have already appointed a highly-respected
>   First Team Manager with a track record of success, and we are confident
>   Leeds will field a competitive squad to contend for promotion next
>   season. It’s a privilege to carry this torch as I know we have a
>   responsibility to ensure this Club makes our staff, players,
>   supporters, and the Leeds and Yorkshire communities proud."
> 
>   Cline-Thomas added, "With my family hailing from Leeds, it's an honour
>   to be able to uplift this incredible community. This is more than just
>   an opportunity, it's a personal mission. The chance to reinvigorate the
>   cherished Leeds culture, to create a platform that attracts the world's
>   finest players, and build a truly global brand that celebrates
>   diversity, is a prospect that thrills me.”
> 
>   49ers Enterprises, led by Marathe and 49ers CEO Jed York, has steadily
>   supported and increased its investment in Leeds United over the past
>   five years. Moving forward, the group will look to enhance all aspects
>   of the Club both on and off the pitch. Marathe, Kinnear, and the Club
>   recently announced the appointment of Daniel Farke as First Team
>   Manager. The Club's leadership has also been laying the groundwork to
>   build a successful squad by retaining key players from last season’s
>   team as well as bringing in new talent.
> 
>   “49ers Enterprises is bringing fresh leadership, management, and a
>   commitment to investment, which I’m confident will meet our ambition to
>   compete for promotion and remain in the top flight as an established
>   Premier League Club,” said Kinnear. “I know Paraag, Rudy and 49ers
>   Enterprises will keep supporters central to their plans during their
>   custodianship and I am excited to work in realising the true potential
>   of this great club.”
> 
>   Radrizzani said, “It has been an honour to guide Leeds United over the
>   last six years and to spend so much time with the best fanbase in the
>   world. 49ers Enterprises have been fantastic partners for years and I'm
>   confident they will take Leeds to the next level.”
> 
>   For more information about Paraag Marathe and Rudy Cline-Thomas, their
>   bios can be found on the Leeds [1]Website.
> 
>   About 49ers Enterprises
> 
>   49ers Enterprises is the strategic arm of the San Francisco 49ers
>   focused on investments in teams, leagues and other sports properties.
>   49ers Enterprises is the full owner of Leeds United Football Club. The
>   group is led by President Paraag Marathe and was formed to expand the
>   excellence of the 49ers into other ventures and to capitalize on the
>   brand’s respected reputation across the sports world. The work of 49ers
>   Enterprises is informed by the team's industry-leading expertise in
>   sporting operations, as well as marketing, sponsorships, merchandising,
>   retail, and business development.
> 
> References
> 
>   1. https://www.leedsunited.com/club/corporate/ownership
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Re: [LU] New Manager

[John Lee via Leedslist]

I’m not unhappy re Farke. He has experience at this level, and got results. Of 
course, who knows what our squad will look like in 4 weeks time? If there is 
one thing that is blighting football at the moment it is the myriad of bogus 
click-bait football sites suggesting Pele’s grandson is just about to sign etc. 
No doubt it’ll be interesting, in a ‘here we go again’ sort of way :-) 

I don’t subscribe to the view we’ll bounce straight back either, certainly not 
with just the injury-prone bunch we’ve got and more games to play. Who knows?

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> On 5 Jul 2023, at 06:49, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
>  60 million apparently
> 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, July 4, 2023, 9:36 pm, Nicholas Armit  wrote:
> 
> Norwich spent barely anything I understood.
> 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, July 4, 2023, 1:42 PM, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well , feck me we've got a manager ! 
> 14th in his first season with the Canaries so hopefully he can keep us up. 
> Norwich fan at work says he was great in the championship after that first 
> season but then ultimately failed at the top level despite spending a decent 
> amount of brass. Maybe Daniel should consider renting in Beeston for a year, 
> max 2 ? 
> Been watching all the Twitter stuff from the club about players returning to 
> training but it looks like a lot didn't bother which is really hard to 
> understand given they are still under contract and we're still paying their 
> wages although I'm hoping they were docked. I don't think there's many 
> players in that team that came down that can do a good job at premier league 
> level so I suspect most who leave will go abroad. I mean who is going to 
> offer Roca a job ? You'd have to be mad. 
> Let's see what the next week brings.   
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Re: [LU] All quiet on the manager front

[John Lee via Leedslist]

I think the Leeds ‘issue’ is the number of individual investors, like the golf 
guys, who all expressed an interest in having a finger in the pie, meaning due 
diligence being done on god alone knows how many people? On the face of it it’s 
slightly frustrating, but at least we haven’t got Cellino or Bates in the 
picture, so it could be worse.

I saw Sky Sports in Germany had briefly gone public with Farke being our new 
manager - who knows - could be much worse?

Until the club say something officially I believe nowt!



> On 30 Jun 2023, at 12:36, Wiggy  wrote:
> 
> Betty wrote:
> 
>> I have heard that, until the 49ers are signed off as
>> being 'fit and proper' by the EFL, everything is in
>> limbo. Given that ates was seen as squeaky clean
>> by those duffers it should be a breeze. Should it
>> not?
> 
> Chatting with a Reading ST holding mate yesterday, he’s fuming that their 
> current owner has dropped them in the financial shite (3rd lot of points 
> deductions, not paying wages nor tax, HMRC winding up order etc), having 
> previously completely killed off two clubs abroad . The F&P test isn’t worth 
> the paper it’s scrawled on.
> 
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Re: [LU] Sam Gone!

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Glad to see the back of him to be honest Kev, and I suspect we’ll have an 
announcement re a new manager long before a month has passed? Quite what 
happens next will be intriguing.

I finally got to watch the Spurs game this morning, having been away all week. 
Really, the defending is shocking - how can you leave Kane simply standing on 
his own?

Irrelevant now, of course, but embarrassing!

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> On 2 Jun 2023, at 12:17, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> So Fat Sam has gone then!
> I think that has put the nail in any prospect of an immediate return.
> 
> Whilst never being delighted about him being there in the first place, if
> he’d been given a season, with a bit of authority over transfers during the
> ownership wrangle, we would at least have been able to start preparing for
> next year.   It is going to take at least a month to put anyone in place
> now, one would think, leaving very little time to get the players in to
> replace those who will leave.
> 
> KOT
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Re: [LU] Phil Hay in the Athletic

[John Lee via Leedslist]

As a bystander, then watching a game of economic he-said/she said sheds no 
light on what is actually going on, or how it may affect LUFC in the longer 
term. If Radz has gone behind the 49ers backs, and frankly who knows if that is 
true, then I don’t know how that will impact? I also think the Athletic are 
deliberately playing fans too, for what end who knows?

Strange times and dark deeds abound?


> On 1 Jun 2023, at 18:17, John Boocock  wrote:
> 
> I take it that everyone has read this too. LUST are probably already 
> preparing for The March On Rome. "Our program is simple: we want to rule 
> Beeston."
> 
> https://theathletic.com/4568028/2023/06/01/leeds-elland-road-sampdoria-radrizzani
> 
> Leeds United’s chairman Andrea Radrizzani offered to use the club’s Elland 
> Road stadium as security for a £26million bank loan which his company, Aser, 
> and a bidding partner, Gestio Capital, intended to use to complete a takeover 
> of the Italian club Sampdoria. Under a heads of terms agreement co-signed by 
> Radrizzani — essentially an agreement in principle — Elland Road would act as 
> collateral as part of a deal by Radrizzani’s Aser and his bidding partner 
> Gestio Capital to borrow €30m (£25.8m; $32.1m) from Italian bank Banca 
> Sistema, helping to fund their Sampdoria buy-out.
> 
> The proposed bridging loan would be due for repayment within two years, and 
> also contains clauses showing that the bank would charge interest of 
> provisionally between six and nine per cent per year during this period. 
> However, the agreement would also enable the loan to be extended for up to a 
> decade, which throws open the possibility that Leeds United’s home could act 
> as security for Radrizzani’s Italian venture on Sampdoria for 10 years. The 
> current status of the proposed loan and the extent to which it has progressed 
> beyond a heads of terms agreement is unclear, but no charge has been 
> registered, at the time of publication, on Companies House, the executive 
> agency of the British government that maintains the register of companies.
> The Leeds stadium is not owned by Leeds themselves but was bought by 
> Radrizzani in 2017, shortly after he became owner of the Yorkshire club.
> 
> In a further twist, however, sources close to the takeover process insisted 
> on Thursday morning that Leeds board members, including the 49ers and the 
> club’s chief executive Kinnear, had not been informed of the proposal to use 
> Elland Road as security against the loan. The sources added that Marinelli, a 
> Leeds board member, an officer of Elland Road Ltd and the CEO of Aser, who 
> are part of the group attempting to take over Sampdoria, had also not been 
> informed. Radrizzani did not respond to a request for comment on this point. 
> It is understood the 49ers were only informed about Radrizzani’s proposal on 
> Wednesday evening after The Athletic’s initial approach. It remains unclear 
> whether the agreement in principle has progressed further, or if Radrizzani 
> ultimately opted for a different approach to secure funding, but it is 
> remarkable in itself that the Leeds chairman was prepared to put his name to 
> securing the stadium of his current club against a loan to buy a different 
> club. It is also likely to strain relations between Radrizzani and the 49ers 
> just at the point supporters may be hoping they will thrash out a final 
> agreement for a takeover. In an email to The Athletic on Wednesday evening, 
> Radrizzani said: “You are not well informed as the deal has been done by 
> Gestio Capital.” Gestio Capital did not respond to a request for comment.
> 
> A bit more from the article…
> 
> Leeds United’s chairman Andrea Radrizzani offered to use the club’s Elland 
> Road stadium as security for a £26million bank loan which his company, Aser, 
> and a bidding partner, Gestio Capital, intended to use to complete a takeover 
> of the Italian club Sampdoria. Under a heads of terms agreement co-signed by 
> Radrizzani — essentially an agreement in principle — Elland Road would act as 
> collateral as part of a deal by Radrizzani’s Aser and his bidding partner 
> Gestio Capital to borrow €30m (£25.8m; $32.1m) from Italian bank Banca 
> Sistema, helping to fund their Sampdoria buy-out. Leeds were only relegated 
> from the Premier League to the Championship on Sunday afternoon but their 
> majority owner Radrizzani was not present at the final match of the campaign 
> as he instead sought to finalise an agreement for Sampdoria.
> 
> Leeds are majority-owned by Radrizzani but the club’s minority shareholder, 
> 49ers Enterprises, has been in discussions to acquire control of the club. No 
> agreement has yet been reached, however, and sources close to the takeover 
> process, who like others in this article wished not to be named to protect 
> business relationships, told The Athletic that the 49ers had not been 
> informed about the stadium being put forward as the security for a potent

Re: [LU] LUST Statement

[John Lee via Leedslist]

I think LUST should have kept quiet to be honest. What do they expect to hear? 
It’s just another example of self-entitled whining, as if we are not allowed to 
fail. The season has been poor, from Board to fans. For LUST to moan about Orta 
giving a bit back is rich given the crap he’s had to face. Yes, he’s made 
signings that seem unfathomable, but for all his faults, you couldn’t doubt his 
passion, and our bone-headed fans should applaud his spirit. There has long 
been a racial angle to Orta which is pretty toxic. 

The long list of questions LUST ask is pretty badly timed - you would think 
over the next 4/6 weeks events will answer many of them. 

It’s all a bit disappointing for sure, but the club hasn’t folded, we’ve had 
far worse happen, but for me a large minority of our fans are complete and 
utter ars*holes - never known it as bad - I blame Brexit, Covid, Thatcher, Bob 
Stokoe, Ridsdale, Roque Jnr, Bill Fotherby - delete as appropriate!  

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> On 29 May 2023, at 22:40, Michael Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> The one memorable, moving and encouraging aspect of this season has been our 
> fans.
> I am proud to be one of them.
> As for throwing the shirt back, it was a wee bit presumptuous of Rutter and 
> the reaction was amusing.
> I am sure he will be one of the stars of our successful promotion drive, if 
> and when the management get their act together.
> 
> Get Outlook for Android
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Robert Heath 
> 
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2023 11:33:47 PM
> To: John Boocock 
> Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
> Subject: Re: [LU] LUST Statement
> 
> "We have suffered watching poor football and worse results but have
> consistently supported the players and stuck with the team until the
> bitter end."
> 
> Er, well apart from singing "You're not fit to wear the shirt" on
> several occasionsand booing and abusing players as they were
> subbed.and throwing Rutter's shirt back at him when he tossed it
> into the crowdand sending death threats to players.
> 
> It has not been a great season by any stretch, but probably for me the
> worst thing has been seeing (many of) the so-called fantastic Leeds fans
> showing no real support at all.
> 
>> On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 7:03 PM John Boocock  wrote:
>> 
>> I make no comment
>> 
>> https://lufctrust.com/article/relegation-it-s-impossible
>> 
>> At the start of the season, Andrea Radrizzani brazenly dismissed the
>> risk of a survival battle for Leeds United, claiming relegation was
>> "impossible".
>> 
>> Well Andrea, it all feels very possible right now.
>> 
>> The responsibility for our relegation lies with the people in charge. In
>> another long, frustrating, and depressing season, the club has either
>> made the wrong decisions or taken too long to make the right ones,
>> leading to poor and forced choices.
>> 
>> We won't list the failures and shortcomings here - it's plain to see
>> what has gone wrong. It feels like a lifetime ago since the standards of
>> Marcelo Bielsa turned this club into something Leeds United fans could
>> be proud of, and we are now, quite literally, back in the same place we
>> were 5 years ago.
>> 
>> The fans can once again say that we have upheld our part of the bargain.
>> We have suffered watching poor football and worse results but have
>> consistently supported the players and stuck with the team until the
>> bitter end.
>> 
>> Despite this, there has often been a level of contempt shown for fans.
>> We have seen the (ex) Director of Football goading fans, the Owner
>> making outlandish statements in the media (and directly to fans on
>> Twitter), and day-to-day supporter services and match day experience
>> significantly decline.
>> 
>> Trust has to be rebuilt between ownership and the wider fan base.
>> 
>> As we prepare for life back in the Championship what can we expect? Who
>> will own the club come August?
>> 
>> How soon can we expect to see key staff appointments made?
>> 
>> Earlier this week, we put the following questions to the club to try and
>> understand what is in the plans going forward.
>> 
>>  *
>> 
>>What do you believe has gone wrong?
>> 
>>  *
>> 
>>What are the plans for the club's ownership and how quickly can we
>>expect a definitive answer?
>> 
>>  *
>> 
>>When will a Director of Football/Head of Football Recruitment
>>appointment be made and what will the recruitment strategy be?
>> 
>>  *
>> 
>>Do we expect to start the new season with a new manager and how
>>quickly are those decisions going to be made?
>> 
>>  *
>> 
>>How does the club's ownership structure plan to re-engage with
>>fans and rebuild the trust they acquired during our promotion from
>>the Championship?
>> 
>> The club responded to say they will be addressing the entire fanbase and
>> their concerns directly post the final game.
>> 
>> This is a group of fa

Re: [LU] Finally all over.

[John Lee via Leedslist]

At least we are not in a Ridsdale scenario? Undoubtedly some average>hapless 
players bought, but we were gambling, and eventually our luck ran out. We 
deserve to go down, we have not been competitive enough consistently, and the 
club needs rodding through to clear the sh*te!

What comes next will be interesting to see - I’m really hoping some of the 
recently acquired ‘stars’ leave asap - I don’t see them even being Championship 
quality!

They think it’s all over - it is now! And thank god for that!



> On 28 May 2023, at 23:06, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Well that was underwhelming.
> The same individual defensive errors that have been prevalent for the last
> 4 years have finally taken their toll.
> Coupled with the ability to give away possession softly when committing
> people forward which no manager pr team selection has been able to stop.
> 
> Is anything remaining of the rise under Bielsa, or are we back to the 8
> years of dross that preceded him?
> 
> Radrizani has sorted out a lot of stuff off pitch to be fair, and we are in
> the same financial shit as with previous relegations,  but his (and Orta’s
> before he left) decisions and actions around players and managers over the
> past few years have been abysmal. Somehow he now has to appoint the right
> people and sign the right players to reverse it.
> 
> KOT
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Re: [LU] Twitter & Bamford

[John Lee via Leedslist]

It has always been the case that we have a sizeable minority of utter scum as 
‘fans’. The obsessional herd-hatred towards Bamford, Orta, Meslier, Rodrigo 
amongst others, coming mainly from grown men, makes you wonder just how damaged 
they are! Or just plain dumb!

Like you say Nick, it’s just football! There is no point in pretending they’re 
not football fans - they are, but irrational haters, and they need banning from 
Leeds United asap.




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> On 14 May 2023, at 13:04, "n...@6haroldplace.co.uk"  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Can’t get my head round the “Leeds fans” on Twitter telling Bamford to top 
> himself and wishing bad stuff on his family.
> 
> These daft bastards were also singing for Gary Speed during the match.
> 
> It is a game of football.
> 
> Nick
> 
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Re: [LU] Well that’s that then…

[John Lee via Leedslist]

We have 3 games to go. We need to win between 1-3 games. It is do-able! There’s 
time aplenty to muse on other leagues, but for now, let’s concentrate on 
staying in the Prem, which will much easier than getting there again! If 
Everton can stick 5 past Brighton, then anything is clearly possible!


> On 9 May 2023, at 06:05, Michael Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> Would you rather be us or NCastle? 
> We are playing consecutively against football-washed decadents. Chelsea will 
> get their uppance in full from dallying with Putin's toy boy. 
> This is not football, its soccer's equivalent of the Harlem Trotters for 
> suitcase bandits. 
> The second division seems far less tainted & thank God we are no longer ( & 
> hopefully never will be) Leeds United States. 
> There is nowt wrong with West Yorkshire that needs improving. And the German 
> model of ownership without these vermin work perfectly well. 
> We go down, -- the first time that the rats stayed on the stinking ship.  
> --Michael
> 
> 
> 
> Dr  Michael Benjamin, 
> Community Psychiatrist.
> Oranit,
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> BLOG: Times Of Israel || Quora || Jerusalem Post || MYCYBERTHERAPY BLOG
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> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Alec McQueen
> Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2023 1:33 AM
> To: Leeds leedslist 
> Subject: [LU] Well that’s that then…
> 
> … we are now well and truly fucked. Chance of survival: 5%. Bugger! At least 
> we’ll win more games than we lose next season… silver linings. 
> 
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[LU] Miserable, uplifting, useless, great, battling, negative, hope, despair

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Well, as defeats go, that was a pretty decent one, and keeping the goal 
difference advantage over Forest was probably worth a point.

Idiotically, even a miserable sod like me saw some spirit and organisation 
which engender a little bit of positivity for the next 3 games. 

When I looked at our back 4 I feared the worst, but they did ok, as did Robles 
- I’d forgotten what it was like to see a Leeds goalie both catch the ball and 
also punch it! Obviously, they missed a bunch of chances, and Haaland very 
graciously chipped in too 🙂

Whilst inevitably we’ll be in the bottom 3 soon, it’s not over yet!



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Re: [LU] Sunk deeper

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Oh, and his assertion that the judge had made Sammy Lee unemployed made him 
look like a simpleton. Yes, just cancel the trial and we’ll do it all again cos 
Sammy has had a 4 week job offer :-) 

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> On 3 May 2023, at 17:06, John Lee via Leedslist  wrote:
> 
> Well, we’re stuck with whatever he can come up with now. His press conference 
> was lessons in the obvious, which maybe the players need, rather the the 
> Marsch psycho-babble or Gracia’s timidity? 
> 
> One thing that did stand out was how old he now is, in both body and mind! 
> Managing Leeds might not be the best job he’s had health-wise? Quite how his 
> view that ‘if every player improves 2% then the team will be 22% better’ is 
> anyone’s guess?
> 
> 
>> On 3 May 2023, at 16:41, John Boocock  wrote:
>> 
>> Sam Allardyce: Leeds United's new manager was 'shocked' to be offered the 
>> job but is 'prepared' for the challenge - 
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/65475052
>> 
>> Not as shocked as I was.
>> 
>> Remind me again how Peter Reid did.
>> 
>> Betty
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Re: [LU] Sunk deeper

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Well, we’re stuck with whatever he can come up with now. His press conference 
was lessons in the obvious, which maybe the players need, rather the the Marsch 
psycho-babble or Gracia’s timidity? 

One thing that did stand out was how old he now is, in both body and mind! 
Managing Leeds might not be the best job he’s had health-wise? Quite how his 
view that ‘if every player improves 2% then the team will be 22% better’ is 
anyone’s guess?


> On 3 May 2023, at 16:41, John Boocock  wrote:
> 
> Sam Allardyce: Leeds United's new manager was 'shocked' to be offered the job 
> but is 'prepared' for the challenge - 
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/65475052
> 
> Not as shocked as I was.
> 
> Remind me again how Peter Reid did.
> 
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Re: [LU] Big Sam.

[John Lee via Leedslist]

A pointless argument, but exactly how does a man who hasn’t worked in football 
for years manage to convince anyone he has an ‘infinitely higher chance’ of 
getting results? There is zero evidence to suggest this! 

If he’s confirmed as manager, I hope he somehow makes a positive difference, 
but if a dodgy footballing dinosaur is the answer, f*ck knows what the question 
is?



> On 2 May 2023, at 13:53, Nicholas Armit  wrote:
> 
> Better music during the pre-game for sure!
> 
> Nick
> 
> On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 08:19:02 AM EDT, John Lee via Leedslist 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> The final humiliation indeed! If they wanted a fat old bloke who hasn’t 
> worked for 10 years I’d have been a better option ;-) 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On 2 May 2023, at 11:54, Alec McQueen  wrote:
> > 
> > He stands an infinitely higher chance of getting some kind of result over 
> > the next 4 games than the current clown in charge. We needed to throw the 
> > dice, and Sam is a big gamble, but he’s a good gamble. He moves pit chance 
> > of survival from zero to 10%. 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPad
> > 
> >> On 2 May 2023, at 20:48, Scott1cairns1  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Oh dear oh dear. 
> >> The final humiliation 
> >> 
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Re: [LU] Big Sam.

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The final humiliation indeed! If they wanted a fat old bloke who hasn’t worked 
for 10 years I’d have been a better option ;-) 

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> On 2 May 2023, at 11:54, Alec McQueen  wrote:
> 
> He stands an infinitely higher chance of getting some kind of result over the 
> next 4 games than the current clown in charge. We needed to throw the dice, 
> and Sam is a big gamble, but he’s a good gamble. He moves pit chance of 
> survival from zero to 10%. 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On 2 May 2023, at 20:48, Scott1cairns1  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh dear oh dear. 
>> The final humiliation 
>> 
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Re: [LU] Fwd: Prolonging the agony

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Javi Gracia - it’s hard to believe his talks can be in any way inspirational - 
his press conferences are insipid, pointless exercises which give no confidence 
that he knows how to deal with this. I suspect the differing qualities of our 
players did come as a shock to him though. All that said, he has managed 3 wins 
and 2 draws from his 10 games ‘in charge’, so he’s here until the season end. 
There’s zero chance of him being kept on imho, regardless of staying up or 
going down. We made that mistake with Marsch!

I still can’t get over Roca’s passing last night - even in a team known for 
its’ inability to pass to a white shirt, he was spectacularly awful!

> On 26 Apr 2023, at 10:07, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Ha ha. I can't even listen to him. He is lacking in any energy and ideas. 
>On Wednesday, 26 April 2023 at 09:55:47 BST, John Boocock 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Rich,
> 
> He is out, what we see on the bench is CGI
> 
>> On 26/04/2023 09:52, Richard Walker via Leedslist wrote:
>> I missed my last line ...
>> Gracia OUT. I really believe we'd be better off without him than with, as 
>> strange as that may sound.
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[LU] Prolonging the agony

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Not quite bad enough to lose, definitely not good enough to win, and so the 
game of will we/won’t we goes on. A fair result in many ways, although how 
Bamford didn’t score near the end I don’t know - he looked embarrassed himself. 
That said, I also think he might have been offside?

Our passing was woeful at times. Roca was woeful much of the time! The 
performance overall seemed more committed, albeit with little end product.

Giving Madison MOTM, with his diving, simulation and constantly whining to the 
ref is everything that’s wrong with football.

I don’t understand Sinisterra’s physiology? It seems even the slightest touch 
makes him give up. Great goal, but the flimsiest of players!

I still can’t see us staying up, but as long as it’s still possible there’s 
still hope!
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Re: [LU] Any improvement?

[John Lee via Leedslist]

I for one have no clue as to how we are trying to play, but whatever it is it 
isn’t effective. Our midfield is clueless - I agree about Greenwood - more of a 
presence than the others, and strikes a much better dead-ball. I thought 
Aaronson showed some decent touches today, but the crumpling to the deck act is 
infuriating and ridiculous. The shape of the team is all wrong, and whoever 
thinks Rodrigo can lead the line is very, very wrong.

As for Gracia, he either doesn’t know what he’s doing, didn’t realise the 
players limitations, or just cannot motivate them, but he isn’t working! After 
only 10 games in charge the calm, considered responses now look like hollow, 
vacuous confusion.

While there are still points to play for anything is possible, but I don’t see 
us avoiding the drop this time round. Quite what the financial impact of that 
will be, even given the parachute payment, I don’t know, but I could see us 
near the bottom of the championship if some kind of fire-sale has to take 
place. 

Very depressing times! 



> On 22 Apr 2023, at 22:59, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> I’d say a bit, but not much!
> Gracia made a few changes, but the worst midfield in the history of the
> premier league remained intact. Roca was a bit better today, but McKennie
> and Aaronson were abysmal.  Surely Gyabi and Greenwood could not have been
> worse. I’ve never seen a team so vulnerable when attacking.  Nobody holds
> the opposition up when they are breaking and those caught forward are not
> trying hard enough to get back. Rodrigo is back to his worst from 18 months
> ago.
> Somehow they did actually put a bit of football together in the last 20
> mins, but the killer pass was always crap, even when it was not a difficult
> one.
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Re: [LU] Well

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Agree re Cooper coming back, but I’d move Struijk to right back. 

I think we’re going down, but I thought that last season too. We’re worse now!

McKennie / Roca in midfield - p*ss poor! 
 
Tottenham putting us down will not be a good look!

> On 18 Apr 2023, at 08:39, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes, the cutting out mid-week drinking plan for me went astray last night. I 
> just feel totally empty after that performance which was one of the worst. I 
> think we've 2 maion problems:
> 1) The manager 2) The players 
> First of all, have you ever seen a Leeds team set up so negatively at home 
> for a match. I can't rememeber. We just let Liverpool have the run of the 
> park and then tried to feed on scraps when their attacks broke down. It was 
> quite effective for a while but it was only ever going to end one way. After 
> half time, Gracia tried to get his players to step up the pitch and we looked 
> better for 10 mins but then they just took control. Liverpool's away record 
> is poor. Why did we show them so much respect ? Surely we should have gone 
> after them from the start with Summerville, Gnonto and Sinisterra leading the 
> line. Rodrigo isn't fit.I think he has to go today and yes that's seems 
> impossible but how can we stay up with such a negative manager ? 
> As for the players, it's desperate. Mckennie and Roca is like watching Okon 
> and Aizlewood. Neither can run, neither have got the fight or the ability to 
> get us out of this mess and control the midfield. Roca can pass a ball when 
> he's got oceans of space and isn't under pressure (Forest) but put him under 
> a bit of pressure and he crumbles. Mckennie is a fat lad who without his 
> lacky Adams looks lost. 
> Meslier looks like a keeper who has given up - I would be tempted to put the 
> reserve keeper in. 
> I've never been convinced about Struijk and I think we all know now he's not 
> a PL centre back. His best performance have come at left back but even there 
> he looks uncomfortable. 
> It's come to the point when actually I think Cooper and Ayling have to play. 
> At very least, you know they are going to die for the cause. Last night, we 
> saw Rutter come on and tippy toe around the park to the final whistel where 
> he rushed to Firmino to get his shirt and congratulate him. £35 million ! 
> Beggars belief 
> Aaronson is a trier but the fact is he isn't good enough. Far too 
> lightweight. 
> I could go on, but I think we're doomed. Not sure where we go from here. 
> 12:30 Saturday I suppose. 
> 
> 
>On Tuesday, 18 April 2023 at 01:36:10 BST, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist 
>  wrote:  
> 
>  Utter shambles.
> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 07:03:21 PM EDT, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk 
>  wrote:  
> 
> I’m just sitting here drinking, because that was as fucking woeful and 
> clueless as anything I have ever seen in a Leeds shirt.
> 
> Dreadful. 
> 
> Only possibly Koch, Firpo and Harrison deserve to even be considered for the 
> next game.
> 
> Nick
> 
> 
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Re: [LU] Well

[John Lee via Leedslist]

I think it’s an elaborate double-bluff, which will see Bamford & Wober 
recalled, McKennie given a 1 way fare back to Italy, and maybe an attempt to 
play some football. Admittedly the last part of that is a stretch?

In a game which I expected to lose, to see the same capitulation was pretty 
unbelievable, as was seeing the same kind of substitutions, which made the team 
even worse as per the Palace game. As for Rutter, if you’d told me the local 
school had run a competition to give their most useless f*cker a game, I’d 
believe it! He is a man with no idea, in a team with no ideas, and looks 
utterly lost. Firpo looked like he was feigning injury trying to get off, 
Sinisterra is starting to make Paddy look tough, and Rodrigo - well, did he 
play?

We may, undeservedly, somehow avoid relegation, but we are bloody awful, and 
can’t complain if we do go down. 2 years of mainly miserable football and you 
really do wonder what’s the point? 

As for Gracia, he must be wondering exactly what kind of professional 
footballers he’s working with? 

In summary, not our finest hour ;-)

Oh, and how could their first goal stand? Fair enough with the other 5, 
but..



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> 
> I’m just sitting here drinking, because that was as fucking woeful and 
> clueless as anything I have ever seen in a Leeds shirt.
> 
> Dreadful. 
> 
> Only possibly Koch, Firpo and Harrison deserve to even be considered for the 
> next game.
> 
> Nick
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [LU] Worst 45 minutes for a long time

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Well we saw Roy Hodgson’s tactical know-how completely eradicate a Leeds side 
completely deflated by their first goal, and Gracia had neither the ideas or, 
more crucially, the personnel on the bench, to do anything about it. Had Adams 
been there maybe we’d have stopped them rolling through the midfield, but who 
knows? Once Firpo had been booked (correctly) he lost confidence completely, 
but he wasn’t alone! 

I think we have reached the tipping point re good/bad with Luke Ayling - 
trouble is the man we brought in to replace him has his own issues? 

Why we change 4/5 players is beyond me - it completely trashes the teams’ 
tactical set-up, and today none of the subs did a single thing of note! 
Actually, not quite true - an idiotic Gnonto did his best to make a crap 
situation even worse - utter petulance!

On this showing, we are definitely deserving of relegation - maybe a complete 
clear-out of our ‘stars’ is the approach we need? It’ll be some time I hope 
before I see two such contrasting halves of football - from superiority to 
utterly abject in 15 minutes!

At least the Rhinos are doing their best to avoid a double, albeit down at the 
mo :-( 



> On 9 Apr 2023, at 17:43, "n...@6haroldplace.co.uk"  
> wrote:
> 
> Oh yeah, and if our fans are so great, why did half the fuckers leave at 3-1?
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 9 Apr 2023, at 17:42, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk wrote:
>> 
>> After a pretty even first half. Both teams having chances to score more, 
>> but then WTF happened. I mean, if they had called the game off at HT, and 
>> award one point each, we would have felt robbed…
>> 
>> Roca & McKennie lost the midfield - Eze gave them a lesson. We stopped in 
>> just about every department. Lost shape, confidence, movement, belief. It 
>> was horrible.
>> 
>> Possibly the only ones with limited blame from the starting eleven would be 
>> Firpo and maybe Harrison. But even that is a stretch.
>> 
>> Completely shocking. 
>> 
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Re: [LU] Arse tomorrow...

[John Lee via Leedslist]

It’s hard to see us getting 3 points if the form guide is considered, but we 
always have a punchers chance, so I’ve not really written it off completely. 
Wober will be the major loss. Agree with Rob re Sinisterra - for all the 
moaning about injuries to Bamford, Rodrigo, he’s not exactly robust. 

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> On 31 Mar 2023, at 16:24, Robert Heath  wrote:
> 
> I'm wondering if we might finally see something of Sinisterra. I thought he
> looked really exciting back in September but he's not been properly fit
> since. Won't happen tomorrow but a front 5 of Gnonto, Bamford, Rodrigo,
> S/ville & Sinisterra would be pretty spectacular reminiscent of
> Real Madrid in the 50s.
> 
> On Fri, 31 Mar 2023, 14:38 Nicholas Armit via Leedslist, <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> 
>> Agreed not a chance in hell.
>>On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 09:32:37 AM EDT, Richard Walker via
>> Leedslist  wrote:
>> 
>>  Not a prayer !  Arguable our best 3 players out. Wober, Adams and Gnonto
>> but I hope I'm wrong
>>On Friday, 31 March 2023 at 12:08:35 BST, James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! via
>> Leedslist  wrote:
>> 
>> Listers,
>> We have gone there before with no hope and done magical things.
>> Is it any different this time around?
>> James.
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[LU] Concentrate on the league now!

[John Lee via Leedslist]

For 65 minutes some promising signs, albeit the same old problems/bad luck as 
far as sticking it in the net! Fulham changed tactics, played a high press, and 
we fizzled out. 

For all the moaning about Bamford, Summerville is becoming my scapegoat at 
times - he gets into good positions, but he misses loads. His feeble attempt to 
block the shot for their 2nd was poor too.

Hey ho

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Re: [LU] Southampton - WE WON

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Excellent result obviously. Sick of all the anti-Bamford tripe tbh, especially 
so when you consider how many chances Summerville misses? Hope Bamford can get 
a couple of goals soon to shut the trolls up!

Just watching bits of Spurs v Chewlsea, and we certainly have a decent chance 
of getting something next week if this is all they have to offer?


> On 26 Feb 2023, at 11:55, nattan--- via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Agree re lack of creativity with Adams/ McKennie , not sure if Roca is the 
> answer.  I do think our subs, for once,  helped us, both Summerville and 
> Rutter had good cameos . I criticised Rutter in u21s but he did well 
> yesterday,  not the finished article but showed glimpses that he could make 
> an impact,  and Summerville who I have always liked was on fire before his 
> injury and has been a bit overlooked with the emergence of Gnonto.  Add 
> Sinisterra to that mix and we will have game changers on the pitch and on the 
> bench. Get Bamford scoring and things may just be ok.
>  Lots of points to play for and lots of twists and turns and other cliches 
> but things feel better with a win and a manager who, more by luck than 
> judgement perhaps,  could be exactly who we need
> Dave 
>On Sunday, 26 February 2023 at 11:31:53 GMT, Simon McNally 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Not much to add to that Dave.I thought we looked far more controlled in 
> possession, apparently our pass success rate what 85% which is higher than in 
> any of the games Marsch managed.I was pleased that we avoided giving away any 
> daft free kicks near the box for Ward Prowse to exploit.I think this is also 
> the only time I can remember where we’ve been leading by a goal going into 
> injury time and haven’t given up a single chance.Still question marks about a 
> few of our players, specifically Aaronson and Harrison but on the plus side, 
> Koch dominated their 6’7” forward abd Wober was excellent again. There’s not 
> much creativity in the Adams / McKennie partnership but they are very 
> difficult to play through. Both very quick to close down and tackle. I wonder 
> what Gracia does when Roca is fully fit - maybe he plays instead of Aaronson 
> and McKennie plays at 10.It’s easy to get carried away after winning but 
> Southampton we’re truly awful.Hopefully we put up a good showing in the cup 
> and take some good form to Chelsea next week.
> Simon 
> Sent from Outlook for iOSFrom: Leedslist  on 
> behalf of nattan--- via Leedslist 
> Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2023 10:59:32 AM
> To: leeds list 
> Subject: [LU] Southampton - WE WON We won !  I love saying that so I will 
> repeat it , we won , a premier league game in 2023, ok we were poor or to 
> quote a Belfast Saints fan on our train " Leeds were fucking shit" , but they 
> were worse, and even more importantly we WON
> Not the prettiest of games and apart from  the goal by unlikely hero Junior  
> Firpo it is very forgettable but all that counted was the final score and we 
> won 
> They were the typical bottom half team full of timewasting,  shit housing and 
> faking  injury - 3 times in the first half a saints player went down hurt, 
> got helped off but was fit to return the second he passed the white line,  it 
> must have magic healing powers.  The ref not only fell for it but only added 
> one minute at the end of the half. Strangely all that changed in the 78th 
> minute when suddenly they were running off the pitch to help retrieve the 
> ball, amazing what conceding a goal does 
> We pretty  much dominated the whole game  but struggled to create real clear 
> chances,  Ayling volleyed wide and over from a tight angle,  Harrison ( poor 
> again) hit over, aaronson pulled a weak shot wide, Mckennie also volleyed 
> over and Bamford forget altogether that he is allowed to shoot / try to score.
> Perhaps our best opportunity came when Bamford harried the defender and  
> mckennie did well to take the ball off them and burst forward with Aaronsson 
> alongside him. He could have shot himself,  would have been easy to get on  
> target but he chose to lay it off to aaronson,  not necessarily the worse 
> decision but the execution was awful and he passed behind him and the chance 
> went begging.  Even worse they ended up having their only shot of the half as 
> they got a breakaway after aaronson lost the ball 
> The fans were pretty much solidly behind the team and gave them every 
> encouragement although there was a very nervous feel to it all and plenty of 
> groans as Harrison and Bamford had shockers.  Koch and Wober were untroubled 
> at the back however and 0 0 started to look like it was nailed on, a result 
> that would not have helped us.
> Then some quality,  Summerville had the ball out wide by the corner flag ( 
> are  you watching Jesse?)  and hemmed in by two players put a lovely ball 
> through to Harrison,  who redeemed himself a bit with a lovely back heel to 
> Firpo who took one touch then lashed it home,  ok maybe not lashed but

Re: [LU] Match v " team of weirdos "

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Well, no sooner moaned about than removed as a contender - Sky saying Scheuber 
(sp?) is no longer in contention for the Leeds job.

Probably no bad thing.

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> On 13 Feb 2023, at 13:45, seanscribe--- via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> It's true that "our subs made us worse," but I think it's equally true that 
> Man U's subs made them better (in each game), or at least relatively better 
> than us in the latter stages of each game. This is simply down to the 
> financial disparity between the two clubs, which is compounded by our 
> injuries. Robles, Kristensen and Aaronson aside, our bench was just kids. I 
> saw some supporters criticizing Skubala for taking Bamford and Harrison off, 
> but I presume he did that because he knew they were knackered (coaches these 
> days having so much data at their fingertips telling them exactly how many 
> thousand meters each player can run before his levels drop). The simple fact 
> is that not only did we have nobody on the bench to change things, we didn't 
> even have players on the bench who could do the same things at the same level 
> as the players we took off. That's why in a game like this, when the 
> opposition will use their wallet to bludgeon us late in the game, we need to 
> have given ourselves a cushion when it's first XI vs first XI. For me, the 
> game turned on Summerville's miss in the first five minutes. Put that away 
> and we might at least have gained a point.
> Cheers!
> Sean
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Simon McNally via Leedslist 
> To: Greg Adams ; leedslist@gn.apc.org 
> 
> Sent: Mon, Feb 13, 2023 6:10 am
> Subject: Re: [LU] Match v " team of weirdos "
> 
> I think he has done well in these two games . We definitely have more 
> structure and shape and certainly haven’t given up as many big chances after 
> losing the ball like we did under Marsch.
> On the other hand, we failed to cope when the scum changed tactics and our 
> subs made us worse. This was all too familiar under Marsch.
> My worry would be that he lacks the experience and know how to go up against 
> other managers in the key games we’ve got coming up.
> The bloke that was sacked at Ajax though looks a nightmare. Won the league at 
> Club Brugge, but they always win the Belgian league. Think one team pub 
> league like Scotland and Austria. He managed to alienate the players and fans 
> at Ajax and led them to their worst start to a season in years. He sounds 
> like another Marsch, all excuses and talk about how he’s pleased with the 
> progress etc.
> So if it’s a choice between him and Skoobs, I’d keep Skoobs.
> Hopefully though, the geniuses running the club have got someone better lined 
> up.
> On recent track record though I’m not confident!
> Marsch should have gone after the Fulham game but them waiting for so long 
> has made it harder to recruit a new manager and cost us points.
> 
> Sent from Outlook for iOS
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Greg Adams 
> 
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2023 11:00:54 AM
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Match v " team of weirdos "
> 
> Just to be clear - I was not implying that Dave or anyone on the list is
> writing Skoobs off.  I am just curious to know whether we think he has
> done enough already to justify waiting a bit longer to get someone or
> rushing to get anyone with first team experience.
> 
> 
>> On 13 Feb 2023 12:50, Greg Adams wrote:
>> 
>> /On 13 Feb 2023 12:23, nattan--- via Leedslist wrote:/
>> 
>> /Let's get the new manager in quickly and hope he us the right man,
>> this team could be decent /
>> 
>> 
>> Are we writing off Skoobs already? I thought the last two games showed
>> immense improvement in tactics, style and shape when defending.  For
>> me the key thing to get right now is the right man for the job.  Get
>> the wrong guy, and it's back to the drawing board.  This guy who Ajax
>> fired a couple of weeks ago looks like a disaster waiting to happen
>> judging from the comments I read from Ajax fans / dutch supporters. I
>> would be happy to go with Skoobs for a while if it means waiting for
>> the best guy for us.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> As the chant went " follow follow follow, you're a team of f@cking
>>> weirdos, Ronaldo's a rapist, greenwoods a rapist and Scholes just
>>> loves to suck toes"Made me laugh even if none of them actually play.
>>> Very low key police presence at Piccadilly early on, and only a
>>> handful of fans on our train, met by a handful of coppers at Leeds.
>>> Then massed ranks of police at the barrier and even stranger ( I
>>> wondered for a second if the pub had been given to them) 5 vans and
>>> 15 or so police outside the west Ridings.  This was the scum
>>> game.Team news was as expected but the bench showed how we are
>>> suffering yet again with injuries as Gyabi, Monteiro, Joseph and
>>> Mullen all made the bench. Not much there if we needed a boost.
>>> At the bus queue my lad got

Re: [LU] Match v " team of weirdos

[John Lee via Leedslist]

A real conundrum re the new manager. Skubala has, with the key players, got the 
team playing well, although the acid test comes with the next 2 games. I would 
give him those 2 games IF our only other option is the Ajax guy. We didn’t heed 
the warning re Marsch’s sacking at Leipzig, and surely they’re not going to 
replicate that, are they? I kind of get the feeling they’re hanging out for the 
Vallecano guy, who sounds a better fit, but waiting until June obviously 
carries a shedload of risks. I think there is something to be salvaged from 
this rotten season though, but nothing I’ve read about Ajax’s ex manager gets 
me excited.

Good performance yesterday - we are so close to being a decent team, but the 
missed chances are killing us. Summerville this week, Sinisterra last week - 
not sure why Bamford is always the one to kop flak really - he’s still a yard 
off the pace, but we are so much better with him on the pitch - he clearly 
didn’t want to come off yesterday either!

Much as I like the Adams/McKennie approach, it can’t be long before one of them 
gets sent off, given the diving around and awful refs?



> On 13 Feb 2023, at 12:13, nattan--- via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Everything I have seen / heard - Pope, Hay etc - seem to think he does not 
> want the job. Could he be tempted till the end of the season and would it 
> work,  who knows We need to stay up  ,  end of,  and to do that we probably  
> need 4pts from the next 2 games- 2 defeats would have us as favourites for 
> the drop 
> Like  , I assume , most of us, I know nothing about  Schreuder apart from 
> what I have read since last night,  but none of it fills  me with confidence. 
>  Fans and players hated him at Ajax and, as someone else posted, he is 
> Marsch-like in his  excuses and seems to have seen ' improvement ' that none 
> else saw in some awful results 
> Dave 
>On Monday, 13 February 2023, 11:01:12 GMT, Greg Adams 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Just to be clear - I was not implying that Dave or anyone on the list is 
> writing Skoobs off.  I am just curious to know whether we think he has 
> done enough already to justify waiting a bit longer to get someone or 
> rushing to get anyone with first team experience.
> 
> 
>> On 13 Feb 2023 12:50, Greg Adams wrote:
>> 
>> /On 13 Feb 2023 12:23, nattan--- via Leedslist wrote:/
>> 
>> /Let's get the new manager in quickly and hope he us the right man, 
>> this team could be decent /
>> 
>> 
>> Are we writing off Skoobs already? I thought the last two games showed 
>> immense improvement in tactics, style and shape when defending.  For 
>> me the key thing to get right now is the right man for the job.  Get 
>> the wrong guy, and it's back to the drawing board.  This guy who Ajax 
>> fired a couple of weeks ago looks like a disaster waiting to happen 
>> judging from the comments I read from Ajax fans / dutch supporters. I 
>> would be happy to go with Skoobs for a while if it means waiting for 
>> the best guy for us.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> As the chant went " follow follow follow, you're a team of f@cking 
>>> weirdos, Ronaldo's a rapist, greenwoods a rapist and Scholes just 
>>> loves to suck toes"Made me laugh even if none of them actually play.
>>> Very low key police presence at Piccadilly early on, and only a 
>>> handful of fans on our train, met by a handful of coppers at Leeds. 
>>> Then massed ranks of police at the barrier and even stranger ( I 
>>> wondered for a second if the pub had been given to them) 5 vans and 
>>> 15 or so police outside the west Ridings.  This was the scum 
>>> game.Team news was as expected but the bench showed how we are 
>>> suffering yet again with injuries as Gyabi, Monteiro, Joseph and 
>>> Mullen all made the bench. Not much there if we needed a boost.
>>> At the bus queue my lad got into it with some knob ( unfortunately 
>>> not the only one as it turned out) who sang the runway song, then 
>>> after my lads comment, tried to double and triple down with version 
>>> of Daisy daisy and the laughing policeman ( not putting words on 
>>> here) - no one joined in as we berated him , his " excuse" one of 
>>> them was buried in a cemetery near him and it got attention. What a 
>>> dick. He later remembered it was David Pegg ( buried in Doncaster)
>>> Inside the ground it was the right type of hostility near us, the new 
>>> song as above , we all hate scum etc, with lots of backing for us " 
>>> Billy bremner's barmy army" - great stuff. The cheer when Adams 
>>> thundered into the first tackle leaving their player on the deck was 
>>> brilliant
>>> We really got at them and Summerville missed an easy chance early on, 
>>> and he had another before half time in a half of few chances,  
>>> Meslier had to save with his feet as s woeful pass from the mainly 
>>> excellent Wober let in that hateful Fernandes what a horrible player 
>>> he is whining moaning and trying to referee it
>>> Second half ( till last 10) was even  better as we created lots of 
>

Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true

[John Lee via Leedslist]

He said something similar the week before too, although I can’t remember 
clearly enough to recall? But you’re right Simon, Bamford is articulate and 
considered, and is clearly not blind to the tactics!


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> On 7 Feb 2023, at 22:08, Simon McNally  wrote:
> 
> He’s a smart bloke and knew exactly what he was doing.
> Plus he was right!
> It made me think that maybe they were going to sack Marsch - once you’ve lost 
> the senior players there’s no way back.
> 
> Sent from Outlook for iOS
> From: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 10:06:36 PM
> To: Simon McNally 
> Cc: Nicholas Armit ; leeds list 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very 
> true
>  
> It was in Bamford’s post match interview - it wasn’t particularly 
> controversial, but is being hyped up by various ‘commentators’ - it was only 
> a couple of lines, although the implication was clear!
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 7 Feb 2023, at 21:25, Simon McNally  wrote:
> 
>> On the bbc sport website I think. I saw it on Twitter.
>> 
>> Sent from Outlook for iOS
>> From: Nicholas Armit 
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 9:22:53 PM
>> To: Simon McNally ; bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
>> 
>> Cc: leeds list 
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very 
>> true
>>  
>> Any links to these Bamford comments? I can't find them.
>> 
>> Nick
>> 
>> On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 08:51:21 AM EST, John Lee via Leedslist 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I simply don’t understand why Marsch couldn’t see the all-too-obvious 
>> failings in his tactical approach - he’s either incredibly arrogant, and 
>> couldn’t possibly be wrong, or just plain dumb? The failings were there for 
>> all to see at the end of last season, so it’s not a new thing. I have to 
>> concede I feel very happy he’s gone. 
>> 
>> One reporter at the press conference asked about Bamfords comment (isolated, 
>> no runs from midfield, 2 defenders on him), he was just being honest and 
>> open. It would be interesting to know what player pressure fed into the 
>> board decision?
>> 
>> Just seen report on BBC Look North that while the club would like to have 
>> someone in place by Sunday, contractual discussions may mean that isn’t 
>> possible. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> > On 7 Feb 2023, at 12:13, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
>> >  wrote:
>> > 
>> > As you say, shocking that he ever got near the job at Leeds given this 
>> > record.
>> > It’s everything we’ve seen at Leeds. Not able to break teams down, 
>> > everything rushed and narrow.
>> > They need to get it right this time.
>> > 
>> > Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>> > 
>> > From: Leedslist  on behalf of nattan--- via 
>> > Leedslist 
>> > Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 12:08:56 PM
>> > To: leeds list 
>> > Subject: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very 
>> > true
>> > 
>> > Remember that Boro piece on Orta? Well, someone's just shared a piece on 
>> > Marsch from a USA forum entitled "Jesse Marsch might not be very good." 
>> > It's from a year ago, and it's terrifying. Won't share the whole thing 
>> > because it's badly written and rambling. But some bits are jaw-dropping 
>> > when you consider we'd tracked him for years and knew him better than he 
>> > knew himself.
>> > "At New York teams worked out that you set a low block and play over him. 
>> > The book on how to stop them was written, and things didn't go well. They 
>> > did inexplicably beat Toronto - the best MLS team of all time. More on 
>> > that later."
>> > "In his biggest game, NY go a goal down and the opposition set a low 
>> > block. Marsch can't adjust tactics. They do have 20 shots chasing the 
>> > game, all of them fail on some sort of mishit pass/shot because there's no 
>> > time. They press harder than they've ever pressed . They create chance 
>> > after chance after chance. Then in the second half after a slight change 
>> > from the opposition they create nothing."
>> > "In Salzburg, he took Haaland and an exciting team to an expected league 
>> > title (a very fortunate points deduction to their rivals helped). In the 
>> > CL they look good against Liverpool and n

Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true

[John Lee via Leedslist]

It was in Bamford’s post match interview - it wasn’t particularly 
controversial, but is being hyped up by various ‘commentators’ - it was only a 
couple of lines, although the implication was clear!

Sent from my iPad

> On 7 Feb 2023, at 21:25, Simon McNally  wrote:
> 
> On the bbc sport website I think. I saw it on Twitter.
> 
> Sent from Outlook for iOS
> From: Nicholas Armit 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 9:22:53 PM
> To: Simon McNally ; bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
> 
> Cc: leeds list 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very 
> true
>  
> Any links to these Bamford comments? I can't find them.
> 
> Nick
> 
> On Tuesday, February 7, 2023 at 08:51:21 AM EST, John Lee via Leedslist 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I simply don’t understand why Marsch couldn’t see the all-too-obvious 
> failings in his tactical approach - he’s either incredibly arrogant, and 
> couldn’t possibly be wrong, or just plain dumb? The failings were there for 
> all to see at the end of last season, so it’s not a new thing. I have to 
> concede I feel very happy he’s gone. 
> 
> One reporter at the press conference asked about Bamfords comment (isolated, 
> no runs from midfield, 2 defenders on him), he was just being honest and 
> open. It would be interesting to know what player pressure fed into the board 
> decision?
> 
> Just seen report on BBC Look North that while the club would like to have 
> someone in place by Sunday, contractual discussions may mean that isn’t 
> possible. 
> 
> 
> 
> > On 7 Feb 2023, at 12:13, Simon McNally via Leedslist  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > As you say, shocking that he ever got near the job at Leeds given this 
> > record.
> > It’s everything we’ve seen at Leeds. Not able to break teams down, 
> > everything rushed and narrow.
> > They need to get it right this time.
> > 
> > Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> > 
> > From: Leedslist  on behalf of nattan--- via 
> > Leedslist 
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 12:08:56 PM
> > To: leeds list 
> > Subject: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very 
> > true
> > 
> > Remember that Boro piece on Orta? Well, someone's just shared a piece on 
> > Marsch from a USA forum entitled "Jesse Marsch might not be very good." 
> > It's from a year ago, and it's terrifying. Won't share the whole thing 
> > because it's badly written and rambling. But some bits are jaw-dropping 
> > when you consider we'd tracked him for years and knew him better than he 
> > knew himself.
> > "At New York teams worked out that you set a low block and play over him. 
> > The book on how to stop them was written, and things didn't go well. They 
> > did inexplicably beat Toronto - the best MLS team of all time. More on that 
> > later."
> > "In his biggest game, NY go a goal down and the opposition set a low block. 
> > Marsch can't adjust tactics. They do have 20 shots chasing the game, all of 
> > them fail on some sort of mishit pass/shot because there's no time. They 
> > press harder than they've ever pressed . They create chance after chance 
> > after chance. Then in the second half after a slight change from the 
> > opposition they create nothing."
> > "In Salzburg, he took Haaland and an exciting team to an expected league 
> > title (a very fortunate points deduction to their rivals helped). In the CL 
> > they look good against Liverpool and not good against worse teams. Fans 
> > complain that he's a mediocre coach who can't make adjustments."
> > "Leipzig are unanimously expected to qualify for the champions league. 
> > After 14 games they're 8th and have lost three in a row. Leipzig are unable 
> > to deal with low blocks. They have a knack of looking good against good 
> > sides, and not so good against less good sides."
> > "Marsch tactics work very well when you have an opponent who like time on 
> > the ball. You can press and disrupt. Bit if teams play on the counter or 
> > hit long balls over the top, Marsch's teams all come up short. "
> > "Marsch has coached at three teams. All of which reached unprecedented 
> > heights in his absence."
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Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true

[John Lee via Leedslist]

I simply don’t understand why Marsch couldn’t see the all-too-obvious failings 
in his tactical approach - he’s either incredibly arrogant, and couldn’t 
possibly be wrong, or just plain dumb? The failings were there for all to see 
at the end of last season, so it’s not a new thing. I have to concede I feel 
very happy he’s gone. 

One reporter at the press conference asked about Bamfords comment (isolated, no 
runs from midfield, 2 defenders on him), he was just being honest and open. It 
would be interesting to know what player pressure fed into the board decision?

Just seen report on BBC Look North that while the club would like to have 
someone in place by Sunday, contractual discussions may mean that isn’t 
possible. 



> On 7 Feb 2023, at 12:13, Simon McNally via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> As you say, shocking that he ever got near the job at Leeds given this record.
> It’s everything we’ve seen at Leeds. Not able to break teams down, everything 
> rushed and narrow.
> They need to get it right this time.
> 
> Sent from Outlook for iOS
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of nattan--- via 
> Leedslist 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2023 12:08:56 PM
> To: leeds list 
> Subject: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true
> 
> Remember that Boro piece on Orta? Well, someone's just shared a piece on 
> Marsch from a USA forum entitled "Jesse Marsch might not be very good." It's 
> from a year ago, and it's terrifying. Won't share the whole thing because 
> it's badly written and rambling. But some bits are jaw-dropping when you 
> consider we'd tracked him for years and knew him better than he knew himself.
> "At New York teams worked out that you set a low block and play over him. The 
> book on how to stop them was written, and things didn't go well. They did 
> inexplicably beat Toronto - the best MLS team of all time. More on that 
> later."
> "In his biggest game, NY go a goal down and the opposition set a low block. 
> Marsch can't adjust tactics. They do have 20 shots chasing the game, all of 
> them fail on some sort of mishit pass/shot because there's no time. They 
> press harder than they've ever pressed . They create chance after chance 
> after chance. Then in the second half after a slight change from the 
> opposition they create nothing."
> "In Salzburg, he took Haaland and an exciting team to an expected league 
> title (a very fortunate points deduction to their rivals helped). In the CL 
> they look good against Liverpool and not good against worse teams. Fans 
> complain that he's a mediocre coach who can't make adjustments."
> "Leipzig are unanimously expected to qualify for the champions league. After 
> 14 games they're 8th and have lost three in a row. Leipzig are unable to deal 
> with low blocks. They have a knack of looking good against good sides, and 
> not so good against less good sides."
> "Marsch tactics work very well when you have an opponent who like time on the 
> ball. You can press and disrupt. Bit if teams play on the counter or hit long 
> balls over the top, Marsch's teams all come up short. "
> "Marsch has coached at three teams. All of which reached unprecedented 
> heights in his absence."
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Re: [LU] Who next ?

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Social media chatter seems to be around Corboran - I think that’d be an 
interesting choice. 

Not impressed by any of the usual names - Big Sam (god forbid), Gerrard, I’m 
not sure I could see Pochetino at Leeds, but he’d be a statement signing. Of 
course the club seem pretty organised when replacing managers, so I anticipate 
a quick decision. 

I am pleased Marsch has gone though - to me there were no signs he could turn 
it around - he seemed like a desperate gambler, not understanding why he kept 
coming home skint!



> On 6 Feb 2023, at 18:18, nattan--- via Leedslist  wrote:
> 
> There seems to be no sympathy or support for Marcsh either on here or on 
> social media so the sacking seems to be the correct decision, but of course 
> that is only half the issue, even more important is who do we bring in next?
> Seen reports that Pochettino and Benitez are both out of work, and seen calls 
> for Corberan, and more surprisingly Kompany,  even seen suggestions that we 
> should get Bielsa back 
> I dont watch / follow football apart from LUFC so I have no preference or 
> ideas ( dont think Bielsa should return even though I still have his statue 
> in pride of place, a figure of him was on top of my Christmas tree,  and he 
> is still my phone wallpaper,  I agree with the mantra " never go back " - 
> doubt he could turn us round again)
> 
> So for those who do know about these things A, who would you want. B   who do 
> you think we will get
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Re: [LU] Forest

[John Lee via Leedslist]

First laugh since the end of the game - thank you Richard Walker 

Ronnie ‘f***ing’ Robinson ;-)

My God, he gave us some laughs amongst the utter sh*te he was ;-)

Sent from my iPad

> On 5 Feb 2023, at 17:12, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> Pascal is being ruined - a decent centre back being played out of position 
> long after it stopped working - his confidence is totally shot . We have got 
> a good player in wober but he is not a left back so we only have Firpo
> Looking at social media tonight Jesse is done
> 
> On Sunday, 5 February 2023 at 17:06:50 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> That was the worst left back performance since Ronnie Robinson. Absolutely 
> rubbish. 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
> 
> On Sunday, February 5, 2023, 3:01 pm, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes.
> Really poor from Pascal to give the free kick away and then a poor header. 
> Not sure why Ayling wasn’t tight to Johnson.
> 
> 
> Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> 
> From: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
> Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 2:56:10 PM
> To: Simon McNally 
> Cc: Michael Benjamin ; leeds list 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Forest
> 
> What is hard to take is how hard we work to close down all over the pitch, 
> but they get the ball on the edge of our box and there is no-one within 5 
> yards of their player!
> 
> Plus the guy who was ‘fouled’ for the free-kick was offside - this combo of 
> desperate luck and sh*te defending on the right has to change, otherwise 
> we’ve had it!
> 
> Very impressed by Wober though - some great tackles/interceptions, and a 
> couple of excellent forward passes.
> 
> It’s going to be a long second half! We can still do this, but another ‘here 
> we go again’ feeling!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 5 Feb 2023, at 13:52, Simon McNally 
> mailto:simon_mcna...@sky.com>> wrote:
> 
> Me too.
> I was a bit surprised by the selection. I’d have expected McKennie to start 
> but at least he’s dropped Aaronson.
> As ever, worried when I see Cooper starting.
> Feels massive today.
> 
> Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> 
> From: Leedslist 
> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> on behalf 
> of John Lee via Leedslist mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 1:47:52 PM
> To: Michael Benjamin mailto:m...@myray.com>>
> Cc: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> Subject: Re: [LU] Forest
> 
> Yep, today isn’t a ‘must’ win, but if we don’t the mood music will be very 
> grim indeed.  Marsch’s tactical nous, or lack of, have left me unimpressed 
> from day 1, but we have some really good players and I’m just hoping a 
> cohesive unit will develop, pretty damn quickly! We have a really strong 
> bench, but as ever how the defence performs will be critical! I’m unsure why 
> Weston isn’t on at the start, but let’s see?
> 
> I reckon Marsch has 5 league games to determine his future at Leeds - whilst 
> getting rid in mid-February wouldn’t be ideal, by then we’ll know whether a 
> turn of fortunes has happened?
> 
> Pretty nervous here though :-(
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On 5 Feb 2023, at 12:23, Michael Benjamin 
> > mailto:m...@myray.com>> wrote:
> >
> > With you here
> > --Michael
> >
> >
> > Dr  Michael Benjamin,
> > Community Psychiatrist.
> > Oranit,
> > ISRAEL
> >
> > SKYPE: BEDENOGA
> > PHONE: +972-505-317772
> > Online CBT ||  Online Consultations
> > BLOG: Times Of Israel || Quora || Jerusalem Post || MYCYBERTHERAPY BLOG
> > AMAZON AUTHORS PAGE.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Leedslist 
> > mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On 
> > Behalf Of nattan--- via Leedslist
> > Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 2:07 PM
> > To: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> > Subject: [LU] Forest
> >
> >  Today's game is massive for Jesse marsch, he needs to get it right Looking 
> > at yesterday's fixtures pre kickoff I thought all 6  of our relegation 
> > rivals could well lose, instead Everton , Leicester and Wolves picked up 
> > unlikely wins, and west ham an unlikely draw, so only Southampton and 
> > Bournemouth got nothing.We do have two games in hand on all bar Forest ( 
> > one game) but after scum away on Wednesday we will have played the same 
> > number.
> > It is hard to see us get much in the back to back scum games and so we must 
> > get points today.The board have backed Marsch massiv

Re: [LU] Forest

[John Lee via Leedslist]

What is hard to take is how hard we work to close down all over the pitch, but 
they get the ball on the edge of our box and there is no-one within 5 yards of 
their player!

Plus the guy who was ‘fouled’ for the free-kick was offside - this combo of 
desperate luck and sh*te defending on the right has to change, otherwise we’ve 
had it!

Very impressed by Wober though - some great tackles/interceptions, and a couple 
of excellent forward passes.

It’s going to be a long second half! We can still do this, but another ‘here we 
go again’ feeling!




> On 5 Feb 2023, at 13:52, Simon McNally  wrote:
> 
> Me too.
> I was a bit surprised by the selection. I’d have expected McKennie to start 
> but at least he’s dropped Aaronson.
> As ever, worried when I see Cooper starting.
> Feels massive today.
> 
> Sent from Outlook for iOS
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Lee via 
> Leedslist 
> Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 1:47:52 PM
> To: Michael Benjamin 
> Cc: leeds list 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Forest
>  
> Yep, today isn’t a ‘must’ win, but if we don’t the mood music will be very 
> grim indeed.  Marsch’s tactical nous, or lack of, have left me unimpressed 
> from day 1, but we have some really good players and I’m just hoping a 
> cohesive unit will develop, pretty damn quickly! We have a really strong 
> bench, but as ever how the defence performs will be critical! I’m unsure why 
> Weston isn’t on at the start, but let’s see?
> 
> I reckon Marsch has 5 league games to determine his future at Leeds - whilst 
> getting rid in mid-February wouldn’t be ideal, by then we’ll know whether a 
> turn of fortunes has happened? 
> 
> Pretty nervous here though :-( 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On 5 Feb 2023, at 12:23, Michael Benjamin  wrote:
> > 
> > With you here
> > --Michael
> > 
> > 
> > Dr  Michael Benjamin, 
> > Community Psychiatrist.
> > Oranit,
> > ISRAEL
> > 
> > SKYPE: BEDENOGA
> > PHONE: +972-505-317772
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of nattan--- via 
> > Leedslist
> > Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 2:07 PM
> > To: leeds list 
> > Subject: [LU] Forest
> > 
> >  Today's game is massive for Jesse marsch, he needs to get it right Looking 
> > at yesterday's fixtures pre kickoff I thought all 6  of our relegation 
> > rivals could well lose, instead Everton , Leicester and Wolves picked up 
> > unlikely wins, and west ham an unlikely draw, so only Southampton and 
> > Bournemouth got nothing.We do have two games in hand on all bar Forest ( 
> > one game) but after scum away on Wednesday we will have played the same 
> > number.
> > It is hard to see us get much in the back to back scum games and so we must 
> > get points today.The board have backed Marsch massively in the transfer 
> > window bringing in 3 players, but the fans are yet to be convinced and a 
> > defeat today and Wednesday could see a real backlash if we then go behind 
> > on Sunday. A win today eases that pressure a bit and fans can then largely 
> > ignore the next 2 results and concentrate on getting wins v Southampton and 
> > Everton He needs to pick the right team ( whatever that is, I'm sure we all 
> > have our own ideas) and get the tactics rightRegards tactics there is a 
> > video on YouTube well worth watching by Leeds  Lately  entitled " Leeds 
> > need to fix this problem,  the complete guide to Jesse Marcsh tactics"Lots 
> > of talk about half lanes and stinger crosses etc,  very clear and 
> > informative For what its worth,  and I have no idea re fitness/ sharpness 
> > in training etc I would go  4 3 3 Meslier Ayling, Cooper,  Wober, Struijk 
> > Roca Adams McKinney Gnonto  Bamford Harrison That means can bring on 
> > Rutter, Summerville,  Sinisterra from the bench as any of the front 3 tire 
> > As I say this is without seeing how match ready McKinney etc  are Dave 
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Re: [LU] Forest

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Yep, today isn’t a ‘must’ win, but if we don’t the mood music will be very grim 
indeed.  Marsch’s tactical nous, or lack of, have left me unimpressed from day 
1, but we have some really good players and I’m just hoping a cohesive unit 
will develop, pretty damn quickly! We have a really strong bench, but as ever 
how the defence performs will be critical! I’m unsure why Weston isn’t on at 
the start, but let’s see?

I reckon Marsch has 5 league games to determine his future at Leeds - whilst 
getting rid in mid-February wouldn’t be ideal, by then we’ll know whether a 
turn of fortunes has happened? 

Pretty nervous here though :-( 

Sent from my iPad

> On 5 Feb 2023, at 12:23, Michael Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> With you here
> --Michael
> 
> 
> Dr  Michael Benjamin, 
> Community Psychiatrist.
> Oranit,
> ISRAEL
> 
> SKYPE: BEDENOGA
> PHONE: +972-505-317772
> Online CBT ||   Online Consultations 
> BLOG: Times Of Israel || Quora || Jerusalem Post || MYCYBERTHERAPY BLOG
> AMAZON AUTHORS PAGE. 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of nattan--- via 
> Leedslist
> Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 2:07 PM
> To: leeds list 
> Subject: [LU] Forest
> 
>  Today's game is massive for Jesse marsch, he needs to get it right Looking 
> at yesterday's fixtures pre kickoff I thought all 6  of our relegation rivals 
> could well lose, instead Everton , Leicester and Wolves picked up unlikely 
> wins, and west ham an unlikely draw, so only Southampton and Bournemouth got 
> nothing.We do have two games in hand on all bar Forest ( one game) but after 
> scum away on Wednesday we will have played the same number.
> It is hard to see us get much in the back to back scum games and so we must 
> get points today.The board have backed Marsch massively in the transfer 
> window bringing in 3 players, but the fans are yet to be convinced and a 
> defeat today and Wednesday could see a real backlash if we then go behind on 
> Sunday. A win today eases that pressure a bit and fans can then largely 
> ignore the next 2 results and concentrate on getting wins v Southampton and 
> Everton He needs to pick the right team ( whatever that is, I'm sure we all 
> have our own ideas) and get the tactics rightRegards tactics there is a video 
> on YouTube well worth watching by Leeds  Lately  entitled " Leeds need to fix 
> this problem,  the complete guide to Jesse Marcsh tactics"Lots of talk about 
> half lanes and stinger crosses etc,  very clear and informative For what its 
> worth,  and I have no idea re fitness/ sharpness in training etc I would go  
> 4 3 3 Meslier Ayling, Cooper,  Wober, Struijk Roca Adams McKinney Gnonto  
> Bamford Harrison That means can bring on Rutter, Summerville,  Sinisterra 
> from the bench as any of the front 3 tire As I say this is without seeing how 
> match ready McKinney etc  are Dave 
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Re: [LU] Magic of the cup

[John Lee via Leedslist]

What could possibly go wrong ;-) 

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> On 24 Jan 2023, at 22:23, John Boocock  wrote:
> 
> Accrington Stanley it is then. 12.30 Satdi on the Beeb (or for the lucky few, 
> the Wham Stadium). Voicey will have creamed himsen.
> 
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Re: [LU] Cardiff

[John Lee via Leedslist]

A real ‘novelty’ of a cup match to have it won so early, albeit against hapless 
opponents. But of course, the same defensive frailties as soon as a team starts 
to push forward - it started when Llorente fluffed his role, fell over to 
‘cover his mistake’, and from then on they started to look nervous. Luke 
Ayling, bless him - how many goals does he have to give away before he is 
rested! Roca was unlucky re the penalty - I thought he was trying to get his 
arm out of the way, but it hit him so a 50/50 call. But Ayling?

No-one has mentioned it, but having Greenwood on for the corners almost 
justifies his inclusion - he takes some great corners. 

Good practice for the weekend though - now the season really does have to start!


> On 19 Jan 2023, at 09:09, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> you say Cardiff offered nothing but that actually scored 3 goals and had 
> another couple of good chances which shows how fragile our defence is at the 
> moment. 
> Credit to Marsch though for actually picking a strong side and going after 
> them which has worked well because everyone goes into the Brentford game with 
> our tails up. That's how you should treat these cup games, not putting U-23s 
> in , losing, then suffering for weeks because of it which is what we have 
> done for the last 10+ years. 
> Having said that I think Marsch was forced to pick a strong team as his job 
> is on the line. 
> Interesting team selection dilemma for Sunday. Nice to have but you surely 
> can't ignore Bamford who looks sharp after his recent op. 
> 
>On Thursday, 19 January 2023 at 07:43:33 GMT, nattan--- via Leedslist 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Well that was something I have not experienced for many years - a fun FA cup 
> game. A full house ( apart from Cardiff bit - they only had the top tier and 
> only half filled it) for a cup game was also something not seen for a while 
> This was a game we were always in control of, from Willie's stormer in the 
> first minute ( I was still outside due to crowds of fans not sure how to work 
> the turnstiles) but saw it on the screen outside.)
> They were dreadful and offered almost nothing but you can only beat what is 
> in front of you, and we did that in some style.  Every goal was a good one, 
> and we created other chances as well. Gnonto is looking amazing, Rodrigo 
> scored one and had a hand in 2 others,  as he continued (?starts) to look a 
> good player.  It was great to see paddy  back, taking his 2 goals with style. 
> Sinisterra also made a short appearance 
> 
> So overall an excellent performance,  which keeps Jesse in a job till Sunday 
> at least 
> Shame we could not keep a clean sheet,  we got lucky with the offside call at 
> 3-0 but then Ayling let the ball through him for thier first , and then they 
> got a penalty ( var wrong for the second time in the game - offside player 
> not interfering so that should have stood and ball hit Roca rather than the 
> other way round.
> So a fun night, but Sunday is when Jesse's future will be decided.  Play like 
> we did last night and we will create and score chances but how many do we 
> need to score to win ? We keep conceding 2 per game including against a 
> Cardiff side who cant even score in the championship 
> Dave 
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Re: [LU] Dave Dowden.

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Such sad news John. Knowing Dave’s diagnosis since you told me, seeing him 
zipping around on his bike, camping, climbing hills and generally ‘cracking on’ 
was genuinely inspirational. 

A lovely bloke and always ready with a tale - commiserations to all of you who 
knew him much better than me, and deepest sympathy to his friends and family. 
RIP Dave

John
 

> On 9 Jan 2023, at 19:24, MATTHEW GAYNOR via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Beautifully done John
> 
> 
> A sad loss - i have mates who still think South Leeds runs on a pork pie 
> based economy
> 
> David's Lards performances will remain legendary - even when he prepared for 
> them by cycling there - from another country
> 
> Matt
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "n...@6haroldplace.co.uk" 
> To: "John Boocock" 
> Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Sent: Monday, 9 Jan, 23 At 19:18
> Subject: Re: [LU] Dave Dowden.
> Thanks John,
> A huge loss…any man that can negotiate years of parking at ER at the cost of 
> a pork pie a time, is a genius…twisted perhaps, but a genius nonetheless.
> Nick
> Sent from my iPad
> On 9 Jan 2023, at 19:10, John Boocock  wrote:
> Dear all,
> Quite a few of you will know that lister and member of the Leeds Lards 
> worldnet team, Dave 'Lido' Dowden has been ill with cancer this past two 
> years. His illness finally got the better of him late on Sunday night. He was 
> at home with his family having turned what was a six month assessment into 
> two very full years.
> Those of you who knew Dave would know that he was a devoted Leeds fan but 
> there was so much more to him. He was a munroist, he enjoyed cycling, and 
> took an active part in politics in Pudsey. In recent years he was a leading 
> light in the Pudsey Greenside Greenway project. He also liked a good fire!
> A committed traveller, there were few places he had not visited and anyone 
> who shared those trips will confirm that they were always er, eventful. He 
> made many of the matches abroad during our most recent European campaigns and 
> quite a few of us shared those trips. (Anyone going to the Barca game will 
> remember him and Chris Fitz staying above a sex shop which they were 
> convinced was run by nuns).
> I can not begin to list all the adventures, stories and mishaps he was 
> involved in (he was short of a big toe after an accident with a lawn mower). 
> One thing I can say is they were many. Maybe one day someone will collect 
> them.
> Anyway, he now joins the other listers in the great list retirement home in 
> the sky. Dave was a one off and will never be forgotten.
> Betty
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Re: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago

[John Lee via Leedslist]

And up he pops with a back-heel for Perkins’ leveller :-)

Sent from my iPad

> On 8 Jan 2023, at 15:32, "bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk" 
>  wrote:
> 
> Oh, he’s back ;-)
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 8 Jan 2023, at 15:22, John Lee via Leedslist  wrote:
>> 
>> Completely amazed they subbed Firpo - I thought he’d got a lift home after 
>> about 10 minutes!
>> 
>> At least the substitutions indicate we want to try and win this though.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 8 Jan 2023, at 15:17, Kevin Lewis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Agree with what you say about Greenwood, but  I have to say that seemingly 
>>> playing 4-4-2 has left Gyabi and Greenwood a bit outnumbered.
>>> 
>>>> On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 at 14:56,  wrote:
>>>> When I said we’ll need to score 3 to win it, can I increase that to 4!
>>>> 
>>>> Llorente/Struijk - Cooper must be pissing himself! There is zero 
>>>> organisation in that defence! It’s way past embarrassing!
>>>> 
>>>> Having Greenwood & Gelhardt on is like playing with 2 men down. Greenwood 
>>>> is probably only one lazy late challenge from a red card too. Hoping 
>>>> Gnonto doesn’t pick another booking up too - unlucky re his first booking, 
>>>> as there was slight contact, but why he went down who knows?
>>>> 
>>>> Ah well, we can concentrate on the league, unless...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> We’re just lightweight all over the pitch.
>>>> 
>>>>> 
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Re: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Oh, he’s back ;-)

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> On 8 Jan 2023, at 15:22, John Lee via Leedslist  wrote:
> 
> Completely amazed they subbed Firpo - I thought he’d got a lift home after 
> about 10 minutes!
> 
> At least the substitutions indicate we want to try and win this though.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 8 Jan 2023, at 15:17, Kevin Lewis  wrote:
>> 
>> Agree with what you say about Greenwood, but  I have to say that seemingly 
>> playing 4-4-2 has left Gyabi and Greenwood a bit outnumbered.
>> 
>>> On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 at 14:56,  wrote:
>>> When I said we’ll need to score 3 to win it, can I increase that to 4!
>>> 
>>> Llorente/Struijk - Cooper must be pissing himself! There is zero 
>>> organisation in that defence! It’s way past embarrassing!
>>> 
>>> Having Greenwood & Gelhardt on is like playing with 2 men down. Greenwood 
>>> is probably only one lazy late challenge from a red card too. Hoping Gnonto 
>>> doesn’t pick another booking up too - unlucky re his first booking, as 
>>> there was slight contact, but why he went down who knows?
>>> 
>>> Ah well, we can concentrate on the league, unless...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> We’re just lightweight all over the pitch.
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _
>>>> 
>>>> __
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Re: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Completely amazed they subbed Firpo - I thought he’d got a lift home after 
about 10 minutes!

At least the substitutions indicate we want to try and win this though.

Sent from my iPad

> On 8 Jan 2023, at 15:17, Kevin Lewis  wrote:
> 
> Agree with what you say about Greenwood, but  I have to say that seemingly 
> playing 4-4-2 has left Gyabi and Greenwood a bit outnumbered.
> 
>> On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 at 14:56,  wrote:
>> When I said we’ll need to score 3 to win it, can I increase that to 4!
>> 
>> Llorente/Struijk - Cooper must be pissing himself! There is zero 
>> organisation in that defence! It’s way past embarrassing!
>> 
>> Having Greenwood & Gelhardt on is like playing with 2 men down. Greenwood is 
>> probably only one lazy late challenge from a red card too. Hoping Gnonto 
>> doesn’t pick another booking up too - unlucky re his first booking, as there 
>> was slight contact, but why he went down who knows?
>> 
>> Ah well, we can concentrate on the league, unless...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> We’re just lightweight all over the pitch.
>> 
>>> 
>>> _
>>> 
>>> __
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Re: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago

[John Lee via Leedslist]

When I said we’ll need to score 3 to win it, can I increase that to 4!

Llorente/Struijk - Cooper must be pissing himself! There is zero organisation 
in that defence! It’s way past embarrassing!

Having Greenwood & Gelhardt on is like playing with 2 men down. Greenwood is 
probably only one lazy late challenge from a red card too. Hoping Gnonto 
doesn’t pick another booking up too - unlucky re his first booking, as there 
was slight contact, but why he went down who knows?

Ah well, we can concentrate on the league, unless...



We’re just lightweight all over the pitch.

Sent from my iPad

> On 8 Jan 2023, at 14:32, Simon McNally  wrote:
> 
> And again
> 
> Sent from Outlook for iOS
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Simon McNally via 
> Leedslist 
> Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 2:29:22 PM
> To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk ; Peter Castlehouse 
> 
> Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org ; Kevin Lewis 
> 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago
>  
> Shambles
> 
> Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> ________
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Lee via 
> Leedslist 
> Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 2:27:38 PM
> To: Peter Castlehouse 
> Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org ; Kevin Lewis 
> 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago
> 
> Good to see that our b-team also have the ability to f*** it up all by 
> themselves?
> 
> Some good signs going forward, so not done yet, but we’ll need at least 3 to 
> win it imho!
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On 8 Jan 2023, at 14:19, Peter Castlehouse  wrote:
> >
> > Brilliant memory post King of Tonga.  Yes, some of us still live with the 
> > memory of that  game, and I think a few of us still regard that as the last 
> > time LUFC had any ambition to progress in that competition.  I'm not sure 
> > this squad are 1972 capable, but I wish at least we'd give it a fucking go 
> > instead of fielding U-17s, thereby showing some respect to the 6,000+ fans 
> > travelling to the game and paying hard-earned moolah for an expensive 
> > day-out.  Not all of the fans are on £30,000 a week
> >
> > Pete C
> > t'original one
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Kevin Lewis via 
> > Leedslist
> > Sent: Monday, 9 January 2023 12:12 AM
> > To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> > Subject: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago
> >
> > I'm not great fan of the Mail on Sunday, but there is a huge piece on the 
> > Cardiff game 21 years ago when we were top of the Premiership and got 
> > humbled by a committed Cardiff team.
> >
> > The current players, management, owners and everyone should be forced to 
> > read that this morning and told how much the memory of that day still hurts 
> > Leeds fans.  The actions of Sam Hammam and the immediate aftermath is still 
> > painful.
> >
> > It could also be regarded as the El Alemein moment in Leeds recent history 
> > as nothing much went right from then on for a long time.
> >
> > Whilst the players from that day have all moved on to other clubs, and in
> > 20 years time the current bunch will all be elsewhere, the fans will have 
> > to live with what happens today for 20 years and more. So firstly let's 
> > pick a team that can put a bit of trepidation into the Cardiff players 
> > rather than encourage them, and then motivate them that it is not a 
> > pointless sideshow to the league.
> >
> > KoT.
> >
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