Re: [LU] Chelsea

2022-05-12 Thread Michael Benjamin
Spot on 
We went from the sublime to the ridiculous 

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Similar views about not wanting to watch this any more - do we have to go down 
to get rid of Marsch, who is like some over-enthusiastic snake-oil peddler! 
It’s not all down to him, but he’s making it worse. Just hoping we don’t let 
him invest in players over the summer. I wonder what Leipzig saw in him in 5 
months to get rid? Maybe what we’re seeing? He is way, way out of his depth!

All that said, the players are all over the place too - frustrated as hell, 
ineffective, and about to get relegated unless something very bizarre, and 
frankly, undeserved happens. 





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> On 12 May 2022, at 09:34, Ted  wrote:
> 
> Nick  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> For pretty much the first time in 4 years, I wondered why I bothered 
>> going
>> - i had little hope before hand, and zero coming away. We were given 
>> joy through football under Bielsa and its gone, well and truly.
> 
> 
> Sums up my feelings exactly!
> 
> I want any Leeds manager to do well but I really think Marsch is 
> totally out of his depth.  I agree with Rich, playing 3 wingers, 
> without any on the wing is ridiculous.  Phillips (when he got a 
> touch!) had no cross-field passing options - which is what he excelled at 
> under Bielsa.
> 
> I'm no tactician, but seeing the line-up - no-one sat around me could 
> figure out what the hell the formation would be - and when we kicked 
> off, neither did the players!
> 
> Oh well, three points on Saturday (or even one?) - might be enough - 
> but can we do that?  Who knows, but here's hoping!
> 
> Ted H
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2022-05-12 Thread John Lee via Leedslist
Similar views about not wanting to watch this any more - do we have to go down 
to get rid of Marsch, who is like some over-enthusiastic snake-oil peddler! 
It’s not all down to him, but he’s making it worse. Just hoping we don’t let 
him invest in players over the summer. I wonder what Leipzig saw in him in 5 
months to get rid? Maybe what we’re seeing? He is way, way out of his depth!

All that said, the players are all over the place too - frustrated as hell, 
ineffective, and about to get relegated unless something very bizarre, and 
frankly, undeserved happens. 





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> On 12 May 2022, at 09:34, Ted  wrote:
> 
> Nick  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> For pretty much the first time in 4 years, I wondered why I bothered going
>> - i had little hope before hand, and zero coming away. We were given joy
>> through football under Bielsa and its gone, well and truly.
> 
> 
> Sums up my feelings exactly!
> 
> I want any Leeds manager to do well but I really think Marsch is totally
> out of his depth.  I agree with Rich, playing 3 wingers, without any on the
> wing is ridiculous.  Phillips (when he got a touch!) had no cross-field
> passing options - which is what he excelled at under Bielsa.
> 
> I'm no tactician, but seeing the line-up - no-one sat around me could
> figure out what the hell the formation would be - and when we kicked off,
> neither did the players!
> 
> Oh well, three points on Saturday (or even one?) - might be enough - but
> can we do that?  Who knows, but here's hoping!
> 
> Ted H
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2022-05-12 Thread Richard Walker via Leedslist
 Yes Rodrigo ... you can blame the manager for poor tactics but when you're 
losing every battle and putting your team under pressure with every misplaced / 
poor backwards pass then that aint going to help. 
He was so poor. 
On Thursday, 12 May 2022, 09:39:14 BST, Simon McNally 
 wrote:  
 
 Agree with all these comments.I didn’t have much hope before the game and 
after the ease with which Chelsea scored early I had done. I never leave early 
but I was really tempted after the third went in.I can’t see what the plan was, 
other than try to keep it tight and try to nick one from a set piece. Only 
problem is we kept giving the ball away. One of the many issues with our new 
system is that there aren’t players open for passes anymore so it’s just a lump 
upfield and back on the defensive again.Agree Phillips looks lost and Rapha 
barely had a kick.It’s some achievement to find a strategy that nullifies our 
two most effective players!Thought Rodrigo was very poor again.
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2022-05-12 Thread Simon McNally via Leedslist
Agree with all these comments.
I didn’t have much hope before the game and after the ease with which Chelsea 
scored early I had done.
I never leave early but I was really tempted after the third went in.
I can’t see what the plan was, other than try to keep it tight and try to nick 
one from a set piece. Only problem is we kept giving the ball away. One of the 
many issues with our new system is that there aren’t players open for passes 
anymore so it’s just a lump upfield and back on the defensive again.
Agree Phillips looks lost and Rapha barely had a kick.
It’s some achievement to find a strategy that nullifies our two most effective 
players!
Thought Rodrigo was very poor again.

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Agree totally Dave, it was poor. I didn't get a ticket and can't say I'm too 
upset by that.
I think Marsch had an impossible job in trying to reengineer the team after 
Bielsa but you have to say that what he is doing is clueless. Playing with 3 
wingers but yet not playing down the wings and trying to play through midfield 
when we don't have one ! or should I say, we don't have a mobile one. Bielsa 
got that and he wasn't fussed to buy midfielders because he created the perfect 
role for Philips and all his play was down the flanks. Bate and Philips 
yesterday against a dymanic, pacey Chelsea midfield was actually very 
embarrassing. It was the mismatch of the century. It's clear that Philips can't 
play in a free midfield, he doesn't have the pace or the creativity and Bate is 
just a young lad. We've also got Raphinha hel;ping out in defence and taking 
long throw-ins and Jack Harrison doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. These 
tactics were supposed to make us more solid but they don't and Chelsea could 
have had double figures. Who said that Marsch was the ideal replacement for 
Bielsa because he plays similar - that was obviously nonsense. It's all very 
depressing but I would suggest some drastic action by sacking Marsch today and 
putting Jackson in for the final two games. If nothing else we might get a 
reaction and also it looks like the team will have a few U-23s in on Sunday.
We're not down yet !
On Thursday, 12 May 2022, 07:55:47 BST, nattan--- via Leedslist 
 wrote:


That was awful - no shots on target, an inability to defend or even pas the 
ball to each otherIt really was as bad as it gets - not one of them had a clue 
what we were  doing or trying to do , any game plan went out of the window as 
we were one down immediately and any chance of a point left with Dan James 
redBefore the game we were in the odd situation whereby we could get 9 pts and 
go down  or get one point and stay up - most of the pre match talk was that one 
point would indeed be enough (personally I doubt it) but now I can’t even see 
where a point is coming from, we really were that bad
We are going down - fans stayed mainly behind the team with defiant chants 
ringing out but a lot left before the final whistle.
Total shambles
Need to win on Sunday but how ???
Very disgruntled
Dave
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2022-05-12 Thread Ted
Nick  wrote:

>
> For pretty much the first time in 4 years, I wondered why I bothered going
> - i had little hope before hand, and zero coming away. We were given joy
> through football under Bielsa and its gone, well and truly.


Sums up my feelings exactly!

I want any Leeds manager to do well but I really think Marsch is totally
out of his depth.  I agree with Rich, playing 3 wingers, without any on the
wing is ridiculous.  Phillips (when he got a touch!) had no cross-field
passing options - which is what he excelled at under Bielsa.

I'm no tactician, but seeing the line-up - no-one sat around me could
figure out what the hell the formation would be - and when we kicked off,
neither did the players!

Oh well, three points on Saturday (or even one?) - might be enough - but
can we do that?  Who knows, but here's hoping!

Ted H
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2022-05-12 Thread Richard Walker via Leedslist
 Agree totally Dave, it was poor. I didn't get a ticket and can't say I'm too 
upset by that. 
I think Marsch had an impossible job in trying to reengineer the team after 
Bielsa but you have to say that what he is doing is clueless. Playing with 3 
wingers but yet not playing down the wings and trying to play through midfield 
when we don't have one ! or should I say, we don't have a mobile one. Bielsa 
got that and he wasn't fussed to buy midfielders because he created the perfect 
role for Philips and all his play was down the flanks. Bate and Philips 
yesterday against a dymanic, pacey Chelsea midfield was actually very 
embarrassing. It was the mismatch of the century. It's clear that Philips can't 
play in a free midfield, he doesn't have the pace or the creativity and Bate is 
just a young lad. We've also got Raphinha hel;ping out in defence and taking 
long throw-ins and Jack Harrison doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. These 
tactics were supposed to make us more solid but they don't and Chelsea could 
have had double figures. Who said that Marsch was the ideal replacement for 
Bielsa because he plays similar - that was obviously nonsense. It's all very 
depressing but I would suggest some drastic action by sacking Marsch today and 
putting Jackson in for the final two games. If nothing else we might get a 
reaction and also it looks like the team will have a few U-23s in on Sunday. 
We're not down yet ! 
On Thursday, 12 May 2022, 07:55:47 BST, nattan--- via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 
That was awful - no shots on target, an inability to defend or even pas the 
ball to each otherIt really was as bad as it gets - not one of them had a clue 
what we were  doing or trying to do , any game plan went out of the window as 
we were one down immediately and any chance of a point left with Dan James 
redBefore the game we were in the odd situation whereby we could get 9 pts and 
go down  or get one point and stay up - most of the pre match talk was that one 
point would indeed be enough (personally I doubt it) but now I can’t even see 
where a point is coming from, we really were that bad
We are going down - fans stayed mainly behind the team with defiant chants 
ringing out but a lot left before the final whistle.
Total shambles 
Need to win on Sunday but how ???
Very disgruntled 
Dave 
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2022-05-12 Thread Nick
no shots on goal

Raph and Rodrigo hardly ever got the ball facing the opposition goal

No one got behind the Chelsea defence - overlapping runs down the wings or 
through the middle

this 4-2-2-2 - play it narrow system - seems to forget that the middle of the 
pitch is usually the most heavily populated bit of the pitch. You can’t just 
waltz through it.

There seems to be some idea that the ball will go wide, someone will peel off 
and flick it back inside to a team mate running up the middle…it doesn’t work.

For pretty much the first time in 4 years, I wondered why I bothered going - i 
had little hope before hand, and zero coming away. We were given joy through 
football under Bielsa and its gone, well and truly. Our main hope now lies on 
Burnley managing to secure minus points from a game.

Stay up or go down, anyone good in that squad will leave. 

Phillips looked absolutely lost yesterday. Admittedly some of it may be down to 
fitness, I’m not convinced he is fully recovered.

Nick

> On 12 May 2022, at 07:51, Robert Heath  wrote:
> 
> Marsch has been and is a disaster. He has managed to drain all the
> confidence and Bielsa swagger out of the players. He has marginally
> improved the defence in that we are conceding slightly smaller hatfuls of
> goals in a different way - opposition players don't get to just waltz
> through wide open spaces anymore, they have to actually construct attacks
> against a set defence before scoring. But we are incapable of retaining
> possession so the pressure on the marginally improved defence is incessant
> and it is bound to crack. We can't get the ball out of our half! When
> Meslier gets the ball, he either passes it short, in which case we play 3
> or if we're lucky 4 nice little triangle passes and then lose it on the
> halfway line, or he chips it into midfield where we either lose the first
> ball or lose the second ball.
> 
> Marsch is very similar in one respect to another glib charlatan, Boris
> Johnson. Just as the pandemic and the war have given Johnson the
> opportunity to mask the disastrous effects of his insane plan to take the
> country out of the EU, so injuries and ridiculous red cards allow Marsch to
> mask the disastrous effects of his "coaching."
> 
> On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 7:45 AM nattan--- via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> That was awful - no shots on target, an inability to defend or even pas
>> the ball to each otherIt really was as bad as it gets - not one of them had
>> a clue what we were  doing or trying to do , any game plan went out of the
>> window as we were one down immediately and any chance of a point left with
>> Dan James redBefore the game we were in the odd situation whereby we could
>> get 9 pts and go down  or get one point and stay up - most of the pre match
>> talk was that one point would indeed be enough (personally I doubt it) but
>> now I can’t even see where a point is coming from, we really were that bad
>> We are going down - fans stayed mainly behind the team with defiant chants
>> ringing out but a lot left before the final whistle.
>> Total shambles
>> Need to win on Sunday but how ???
>> Very disgruntled
>> Dave
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2022-05-12 Thread Robert Heath
Marsch has been and is a disaster. He has managed to drain all the
confidence and Bielsa swagger out of the players. He has marginally
improved the defence in that we are conceding slightly smaller hatfuls of
goals in a different way - opposition players don't get to just waltz
through wide open spaces anymore, they have to actually construct attacks
against a set defence before scoring. But we are incapable of retaining
possession so the pressure on the marginally improved defence is incessant
and it is bound to crack. We can't get the ball out of our half! When
Meslier gets the ball, he either passes it short, in which case we play 3
or if we're lucky 4 nice little triangle passes and then lose it on the
halfway line, or he chips it into midfield where we either lose the first
ball or lose the second ball.

Marsch is very similar in one respect to another glib charlatan, Boris
Johnson. Just as the pandemic and the war have given Johnson the
opportunity to mask the disastrous effects of his insane plan to take the
country out of the EU, so injuries and ridiculous red cards allow Marsch to
mask the disastrous effects of his "coaching."

On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 7:45 AM nattan--- via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

>
> That was awful - no shots on target, an inability to defend or even pas
> the ball to each otherIt really was as bad as it gets - not one of them had
> a clue what we were  doing or trying to do , any game plan went out of the
> window as we were one down immediately and any chance of a point left with
> Dan James redBefore the game we were in the odd situation whereby we could
> get 9 pts and go down  or get one point and stay up - most of the pre match
> talk was that one point would indeed be enough (personally I doubt it) but
> now I can’t even see where a point is coming from, we really were that bad
> We are going down - fans stayed mainly behind the team with defiant chants
> ringing out but a lot left before the final whistle.
> Total shambles
> Need to win on Sunday but how ???
> Very disgruntled
> Dave
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[LU] Chelsea

2022-05-12 Thread nattan--- via Leedslist

That was awful - no shots on target, an inability to defend or even pas the 
ball to each otherIt really was as bad as it gets - not one of them had a clue 
what we were  doing or trying to do , any game plan went out of the window as 
we were one down immediately and any chance of a point left with Dan James 
redBefore the game we were in the odd situation whereby we could get 9 pts and 
go down  or get one point and stay up - most of the pre match talk was that one 
point would indeed be enough (personally I doubt it) but now I can’t even see 
where a point is coming from, we really were that bad
We are going down - fans stayed mainly behind the team with defiant chants 
ringing out but a lot left before the final whistle.
Total shambles 
Need to win on Sunday but how ???
Very disgruntled 
Dave 
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[LU] Chelsea & Citeh games moved for TV

2022-03-15 Thread Wiggy
Per 
https://www.leedsunited.com/news/team-news/29650/live-tv-april-broadcast-selections-made
 :

The latest Premier League broadcast selections have now been made, until the 
end of April 2022 and two of our matches chosen for live television coverage.

Our home games against Chelsea and Manchester City will both feature on Sky 
Sports.

Details for the fixture changes can be found below:

Leeds United v Chelsea

New fixture date: Sunday 17th April 2022*

New kick-off time: 12pm live on Sky Sports

Venue: Elland Road

*Should Chelsea progress to the Emirates FA Cup semi-final, this game will be 
postponed

Leeds United v Manchester City

Fixture date: Saturday 30th April 2022

New kick-off time: 5:30pm live on Sky Sports

Venue: Elland Road



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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2020-12-06 Thread nigel
For possibly the first time under Bielsa, I think we are putting out the best 
team we can, given our personnel. The players who infuriated me week after week 
(e.g. Costa) are finally out of the starting lineup. Yes, what remains isn't 
going to win the league, but with Bielsa's magic touch I'm confident that 
they're good enough to be mid-table in this league, which is good enough for 
me, this year.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

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To: Ed Morrish ; n...@6haroldplace.co.uk
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 Yep good comment again. We were outplayed yesterday and there were players who 
clearly struggled. No harm in discussing that.
Nick
On Sunday, December 6, 2020, 12:25:00 PM EST, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk 
 wrote:  
 
 I think you’re not taking it in the spirit intended, certainly by me at any 
rate. I love the way we are playing and the players doing it, but there’s no 
harm in recognising a bit of reality when you see it - all in context. Of 
course I’ll take 17th.

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> On 6 Dec 2020, at 16:41, Ed Morrish  wrote:
> 
> I’m finding the tone of the criticism of some of our players a little 
> dispiriting. Are they Champions League players? Probably not. But the 
> alternative to them is to bring in an entirely new squad at great risk and 
> expense. Personally, I’m proud of how well they’ve played so far, making the 
> absolute most of their ability at 100% commitment to our club. Yes, they’ll 
> slowly be replaced over the next few seasons as better alternatives come 
> along - but I don’t think it’s on to slag them off, as it were... 
> 
> Let’s face it, if you’d offered us 17th on goal difference at the start of 
> the season we’d have at least thought about it. It looks like we’re going to 
> do better than that, so let’s give them credit for that.
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2020-12-06 Thread Peter Castlehouse
Apparently Llorente went down high-pitched screaming in agony after an early 
tackle, the Chelski fans were taking the piss

Pete C

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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2020-12-06 Thread Nicholas Armit via Leedslist
 Yep good comment again. We were outplayed yesterday and there were players who 
clearly struggled. No harm in discussing that.
Nick
On Sunday, December 6, 2020, 12:25:00 PM EST, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk 
 wrote:  
 
 I think you’re not taking it in the spirit intended, certainly by me at any 
rate. I love the way we are playing and the players doing it, but there’s no 
harm in recognising a bit of reality when you see it - all in context. Of 
course I’ll take 17th.

Sent from my iPad

> On 6 Dec 2020, at 16:41, Ed Morrish  wrote:
> 
> I’m finding the tone of the criticism of some of our players a little 
> dispiriting. Are they Champions League players? Probably not. But the 
> alternative to them is to bring in an entirely new squad at great risk and 
> expense. Personally, I’m proud of how well they’ve played so far, making the 
> absolute most of their ability at 100% commitment to our club. Yes, they’ll 
> slowly be replaced over the next few seasons as better alternatives come 
> along - but I don’t think it’s on to slag them off, as it were... 
> 
> Let’s face it, if you’d offered us 17th on goal difference at the start of 
> the season we’d have at least thought about it. It looks like we’re going to 
> do better than that, so let’s give them credit for that.
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2020-12-06 Thread Nicholas Armit via Leedslist
 Can't disagree with anything there. Chelsea looked much better than anything I 
have seen from this season.
Nick
On Sunday, December 6, 2020, 06:05:21 AM EST, Nick 
 wrote:  
 
 Hard not to agree that Chelsea were better than us in most aspects of the game 
- whereas Leicester soaked up pressure and sucker-pinched us with speed and 
skill (rope-a-dope) - Chelsea showed basically what our system looks like with 
better quality players.

Cooper, Alioski, Dallas, Klich, Harrison (and perhaps Ayling…) all looked this 
was the level that was just beyond them. Which is harsh given how superb all 
have been for the last 2 or 3 years, and given the improvement that each has 
seen in their own game. We’ve seen that these guys can make it happen to a 
level just around the European qualification mark but that to be truly pushing 
at the top we can’t have that many players out of 11 not quite making it. All 
of which sounds like damning them, it is not meant to, I have been stunned by 
how much better our team and these individuals have got in the last 26 months - 
and how much I have enjoyed watching us play, for the first time since O’Leary 
really - and if we finish where we are now in the league, the fact that that 
would feel like a small disappointment tells you how far we’ve come - but in 
the end there are limits to what training and coaching will achieve, especially 
against bottomless wallets.

Bamford’s goal was absolutely top drawer - the pass out of defence, Phillips’ 
first time ball (I have rarely seen a better weighted pass, and with his 
‘wrong' foot), and the first touch and the finish - he still had work to do to 
get the finish right. Yes, their keeper made a strange decision. No stranger 
than their winger who somehow cleared that ball off our goal line via the 
crossbar a few minutes later.

It felt like we were in the game for the first hour, but their second goal 
really did for us - they apparently score a lot from corners - the delivery is 
good and that time Zouma absolutely dominated the box for that header. A bit 
like Liverpool’s second, and like that one, there were bodies tumbling in box 
in the path of the onrushing goalscorer - it looks like American football, 
where teams chuck in blockers to clear a path for the quarter back - hard to 
tell if it is a tactic or just luck - either way we need to be tougher and 
cannier when defending set pieces.

I thought we struggled down our left all game - which may be the result of 
their right back, James, who really was something else - but as Rich says, 
we’re playing someone out of position at left back…and Cooper is at his limit. 
We may be better with 3 CHalfs and 5 across the middle, if we can’t find a good 
full back. I thought Llorente did OK in what were difficult circumstances for 
him - when fit, I see him and Koch as the natural CHalf pairing.

We do have to find a place for Rodrigo to start, he gives a muscularity and 
drive that we seem shy of, when pushing forward. Raphina did OK when he was in 
the game…and could very well have got us a second with that shot and rebound in 
the second half, but we didn’t get the ball to him enough.

We commented after about 55 minutes that names we hadn’t heard from the 
commentators anything like as much as we normally do were Dallas, Klich, 
Harrison…which shows that our midfield was second to pretty much everything.

I dislike Frank Lampard just a little bit more now.

Nick


> On 6 Dec 2020, at 10:32, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> For the first time this season we were comprehensively outplayed, outfought 
> and outrun (apparently !) in that 2nd half. Chelsea have quality players all 
> over the park who have time on the ball and were able to side step our 
> terrier like defences and create chance after chance. I've never seen Klich 
> look so out of his depth and as for Philips in that 2nd half, well he just 
> couldn't play against that level. No shame in that though, these are top, top 
> players and when you lose your best defender in the opening part of the game 
> then it's always going to be difficult. 
> I thought we matched them in the first half and started brightly with a great 
> left footed pass from Philips through to Bamford who still had a lot to do. 
> He sidestepped the keeper and calmly slotted home but what the hell was the 
> keeper doing ? He made it really easy for Bamford and if Chelsea had a 
> weakness last night I thought it was their keeper. 
> We caused them problems especially down our right with Raphinha looking 
> lively again. Unfortunately, Harrison on the other wing was having one of 
> those days where he shows us his knack of being able to pick out nobody with 
> a great overhit cross. Harrison has improved beyond recognition over the past 
> 12 months but I feel he's struggling at this level at the moment and I think 
> it is time to give someone else a chance. 
> Here's my scores:
> Miesler - 7. Kept the score sensible with some 

Re: [LU] Chelsea

2020-12-06 Thread Richard Walker via Leedslist
 I just don't buy in to the we cannot criticise the team and players argument. 
That's what being a fan is all about. Yes, I think all of us appreciate that 
it's going to be tough season. A lot of that team that turned out yesterday 
have in some way struggled in the lower league - Dallas, Phillips, Cooper, 
Klich, Bamford so it goes without saying that the transformation has been 
incredible. However, as a fan now I'm looking to see who are the players who 
can complete that transformation and perform with the best of them in the PL. 
So when the game completely passes Philips by, like it did in the 2nd half I'm 
going to call it. Especially when I think Philips is at best a decent 
championship midfielder.
Also, how can these players who are struggling a bit keep an established 
international striker out of the team ? It's crazy to play Dallas in an 
advanced midfield role rather than Rodriguez and whilst Bielsa is a genius 
we're not far from the relegation zone and fans have a right to say what they 
think. Doesn't make them less of a fan. 
II love watching Leeds at the moment however I'm not going to go through the 
season keeping quiet when outplayed because hey, we have a team of championship 
players that are over performing and doing their best.
So get a grip and stay on Twitter with Bielsa is God crowd if you don't like 
what you read.   
 
On Sunday, 6 December 2020, 16:41:59 GMT, Ed Morrish  
wrote:  
 
 I’m finding the tone of the criticism of some of our players a little 
dispiriting. Are they Champions League players? Probably not. But the 
alternative to them is to bring in an entirely new squad at great risk and 
expense. Personally, I’m proud of how well they’ve played so far, making the 
absolute most of their ability at 100% commitment to our club. Yes, they’ll 
slowly be replaced over the next few seasons as better alternatives come along 
- but I don’t think it’s on to slag them off, as it were... 

Let’s face it, if you’d offered us 17th on goal difference at the start of the 
season we’d have at least thought about it. It looks like we’re going to do 
better than that, so let’s give them credit for that.
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2020-12-06 Thread n...@6haroldplace.co.uk
I think you’re not taking it in the spirit intended, certainly by me at any 
rate. I love the way we are playing and the players doing it, but there’s no 
harm in recognising a bit of reality when you see it - all in context. Of 
course I’ll take 17th.

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> On 6 Dec 2020, at 16:41, Ed Morrish  wrote:
> 
> I’m finding the tone of the criticism of some of our players a little 
> dispiriting. Are they Champions League players? Probably not. But the 
> alternative to them is to bring in an entirely new squad at great risk and 
> expense. Personally, I’m proud of how well they’ve played so far, making the 
> absolute most of their ability at 100% commitment to our club. Yes, they’ll 
> slowly be replaced over the next few seasons as better alternatives come 
> along - but I don’t think it’s on to slag them off, as it were... 
> 
> Let’s face it, if you’d offered us 17th on goal difference at the start of 
> the season we’d have at least thought about it. It looks like we’re going to 
> do better than that, so let’s give them credit for that.
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2020-12-06 Thread Ed Morrish
I’m finding the tone of the criticism of some of our players a little 
dispiriting. Are they Champions League players? Probably not. But the 
alternative to them is to bring in an entirely new squad at great risk and 
expense. Personally, I’m proud of how well they’ve played so far, making the 
absolute most of their ability at 100% commitment to our club. Yes, they’ll 
slowly be replaced over the next few seasons as better alternatives come along 
- but I don’t think it’s on to slag them off, as it were... 

Let’s face it, if you’d offered us 17th on goal difference at the start of the 
season we’d have at least thought about it. It looks like we’re going to do 
better than that, so let’s give them credit for that.
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2020-12-06 Thread Michael Gardiner

About the only thing I’d add is some focus on Meslier’s very questionable 
distributions. Bottom line: we were soundly outplayed and roundly outclassed by 
a team that will be in Champion’s League late rounds even if they don’t win it. 
That should not be terribly surprising. We will get there but couldn’t see 
there from here yesterday.

Michael

> On Dec 6, 2020, at 4:00 AM, leedslist-requ...@gn.apc.org wrote:
> 
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2020 10:32:05 + (UTC)
> From: Richard Walker 
> To: "leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org" 
> Subject: [LU] Chelsea
> Message-ID: <247186205.1600074.1607250725...@mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> For the first time this season we were comprehensively outplayed, outfought 
> and outrun (apparently !) in that 2nd half. Chelsea have quality players all 
> over the park who have time on the ball and were able to side step our 
> terrier like defences and create chance after chance. I've never seen Klich 
> look so out of his depth and as for Philips in that 2nd half, well he just 
> couldn't play against that level. No shame in that though, these are top, top 
> players and when you lose your best defender in the opening part of the game 
> then it's always going to be difficult. 
> I thought we matched them in the first half and started brightly with a great 
> left footed pass from Philips through to Bamford who still had a lot to do. 
> He sidestepped the keeper and calmly slotted home but what the hell was the 
> keeper doing ? He made it really easy for Bamford and if Chelsea had a 
> weakness last night I thought it was their keeper. 
> We caused them problems especially down our right with Raphinha looking 
> lively again. Unfortunately, Harrison on the other wing was having one of 
> those days where he shows us his knack of being able to pick out nobody with 
> a great overhit cross. Harrison has improved beyond recognition over the past 
> 12 months but I feel he's struggling at this level at the moment and I think 
> it is time to give someone else a chance. 
> Here's my scores:
> Miesler - 7. Kept the score sensible with some great saves however I can't 
> help feeling that our set piece problem which has returned massively is in 
> some part down to him. 
> Ayling - 7. I thought he did well generally. 
> Allioski - 5. They had too much space down our left. He's not a defensive 
> left back so we are going to struggle against the better teams. You can't get 
> away playing defenders who are not that good at defending. 
> Koch - 5. Not on long enough. It was obviously a gamble to play him. 
> Cooper - 7. Possibly his best game this season which seems strange given he 
> fell over for the 2nd goal and we looked like conceding 5 or 6 in the 2nd 
> half. Overall, I thought he held us together (just) at the back. 
> Klich - 5. Looked tired 2nd half or maybe just bemused. Was totally 
> ineffective. 
> Philips - 4. Started really lively and I thought maybe Everton wasn't a 
> one-off but he crumbled and in the second half he looked like a schoolboy 
> amongst men. 
> Harrison - 2. Really poor. 
> Raphinha - 6. Great first half but hardly touched the ball in the 2nd apart 
> from one double chance which would have been spectacular had it gone in. 
> Bamford - 7. Good goal and worked hard. 
> Subs:
> Llorente - 5. I thought he was at fault for their first goal. Stood there 
> with his arm up asking for offside rather than getting in front of the 
> Chelsea player. He did however show some promise and for me he looks like a 
> prospect. 
> Rodrigo - 6. Gave the ball away a couple of times but he looks sharp and he 
> looks like he's got time on the ball. In fact, he looked like a Chelsea 
> player. If Bielsa can't find a system that places Rodrigo at the heart of 
> everything we do then he's not the God we thought. 
> Big game Friday now.  
>
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2020-12-06 Thread nattan--- via Leedslist
 Totally agree that for perhaps only the 2nd time under Bielsa ( the other was 
WBA away 2 seasons ago - 4 0 ) we were comprehensively beaten. Pretty much 
every other defeat has been undeserved or at least close in terms of play. 
Yesterday we met an excellent team at the top of their game. The stat I heard 
was that their sub keeper actually cost £30m more than our total starting XI. 
Whilst money does not count for everything in football it certainly helps. 
Brilliant coaching can only take you so far and it is very difficult when every 
one of their players was better than our corresponding playerWe knew there 
would be days like this and I was pleased with the way we stuck to the task and 
our footballing philosophy,  so much so that had VAR worked we would have had 
penalty at 1 2 with only minutes to go (albeit a point would have been 
robbery)For a team fighting to stay up, and that is what we are, it is the 
results against other bottom half teams that will define our season and not the 
likes of Chelsea away. Indeed Chelsea,  according to the club was a free hit - 
they wanted 3 pts from Arsenal,  Everton and Chelsea,  and since we already had 
4 pts it was job done.

I think the next 5 games will really let us know how the season will go, west 
ham, Newcastle,  Burnley and west brom are all winnable and scum could go 
either way
Shelf U, have just lost again as have west brom ( plus Fulham) so only Burnley 
with one point have gained any ground 
DavePS anyone know what Chelsea fans squealing at Llorente was all about?







On Sunday, 6 December 2020, 14:45:31 GMT, seanscribe--- via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 I agree with most of this.
I do feel that at the core of our problems this season has been the lack of 
settled central defensive partnership. I'd be willing to bet that if we'd 
signed Ben White we'd have several more points in the bag. In this regard I 
think that the impact of Berardi's injury in the penultimate game of the season 
has been underestimated. Statistically we actually do better with Berardi in 
the team, and, like White, he's thoroughly schooled in the Bielsa system. It 
seems to be very difficult for new signings to just step into a Bielsa team, 
even if they have the required physical fitness. Cooper's injury on Scotland 
duty and Llorente's with Spain have further complicated matters. This is 
probably part of the reason why we are so vulnerable at set pieces.
I also agree that we need to put our spending this summer to better use on the 
field. How many promoted sides keep their club's record signing on the bench? 
He's Spain's centre-forward, he should be starting.
All that being said, I expect (and fervently hope) that we'll see a reaction 
against West Ham.
Cheers!
Sean




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From: John Lee via Leedslist 
To: Nick 
Cc: leeds list 
Sent: Sun, Dec 6, 2020 7:37 am
Subject: Re: [LU] Chelsea

In agreement with Nick & Rich’s summaries - Lampard, who I have come to despise 
with a passion, already knew what to expect and did a great job tactically, and 
with better quality players than us in probably every position, the result was 
inevitable. 

It is easy to criticise, and probably futile, but I was pretty glad Philips has 
no pace a couple of times, as he was clearly looking frustrated and wanted to 
clatter someone, but he wasn’t quick enough. I don’t know why he was pushed so 
far up the pitch, but Chelsea did a job on him after minute 4.

I think it is now time for Marcello to consider the conundrum between not 
changing your players, and playing our best xi. Loyalty is great etc, but to 
progress we have to build a team around our best players, meaning Llorente and 
Rodrigo should be starting and we should play with a left back at left back. My 
other ‘worry’ is that we have gone from a team who regularly play some of our 
young uns, to ‘experience is all’. I would rather have Struijk gaining game 
time, than Cooper and his predictability. I would rather see Davis in, and I 
still think Shackleton should be in, maybe at Klich’s expense. Also, if Jack 
Harrison cannot cross, there is a decision to be made re him, Poveda and 
Raphina!

Is Hernandez injured by the way? We needed some guile and having him come off 
the bench might have helped.

When we all said at the start of the season that there would be days like this 
and acted all philosophical about it then, it still doesn’t make it any more 
palatable when it happens!





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> On 6 Dec 2020, at 11:05, Nick  wrote:
> 
> Hard not to agree that Chelsea were better than us in most aspects of the 
> game - whereas Leicester soaked up pressure and sucker-pinched us with speed 
> and skill (rope-a-dope) - Chelsea showed basically what our system looks like 
> with better quality players.
> 
> Cooper, Alioski, Dallas, Klich, Harrison (and perhaps Ayling…) all looked 
> this was the level that was just beyond them. Which is harsh given how superb 

Re: [LU] Chelsea

2020-12-06 Thread Nick
Hard not to agree that Chelsea were better than us in most aspects of the game 
- whereas Leicester soaked up pressure and sucker-pinched us with speed and 
skill (rope-a-dope) - Chelsea showed basically what our system looks like with 
better quality players.

Cooper, Alioski, Dallas, Klich, Harrison (and perhaps Ayling…) all looked this 
was the level that was just beyond them. Which is harsh given how superb all 
have been for the last 2 or 3 years, and given the improvement that each has 
seen in their own game. We’ve seen that these guys can make it happen to a 
level just around the European qualification mark but that to be truly pushing 
at the top we can’t have that many players out of 11 not quite making it. All 
of which sounds like damning them, it is not meant to, I have been stunned by 
how much better our team and these individuals have got in the last 26 months - 
and how much I have enjoyed watching us play, for the first time since O’Leary 
really - and if we finish where we are now in the league, the fact that that 
would feel like a small disappointment tells you how far we’ve come - but in 
the end there are limits to what training and coaching will achieve, especially 
against bottomless wallets.

Bamford’s goal was absolutely top drawer - the pass out of defence, Phillips’ 
first time ball (I have rarely seen a better weighted pass, and with his 
‘wrong' foot), and the first touch and the finish - he still had work to do to 
get the finish right. Yes, their keeper made a strange decision. No stranger 
than their winger who somehow cleared that ball off our goal line via the 
crossbar a few minutes later.

It felt like we were in the game for the first hour, but their second goal 
really did for us - they apparently score a lot from corners - the delivery is 
good and that time Zouma absolutely dominated the box for that header. A bit 
like Liverpool’s second, and like that one, there were bodies tumbling in box 
in the path of the onrushing goalscorer - it looks like American football, 
where teams chuck in blockers to clear a path for the quarter back - hard to 
tell if it is a tactic or just luck - either way we need to be tougher and 
cannier when defending set pieces.

I thought we struggled down our left all game - which may be the result of 
their right back, James, who really was something else - but as Rich says, 
we’re playing someone out of position at left back…and Cooper is at his limit. 
We may be better with 3 CHalfs and 5 across the middle, if we can’t find a good 
full back. I thought Llorente did OK in what were difficult circumstances for 
him - when fit, I see him and Koch as the natural CHalf pairing.

We do have to find a place for Rodrigo to start, he gives a muscularity and 
drive that we seem shy of, when pushing forward. Raphina did OK when he was in 
the game…and could very well have got us a second with that shot and rebound in 
the second half, but we didn’t get the ball to him enough.

We commented after about 55 minutes that names we hadn’t heard from the 
commentators anything like as much as we normally do were Dallas, Klich, 
Harrison…which shows that our midfield was second to pretty much everything.

I dislike Frank Lampard just a little bit more now.

Nick


> On 6 Dec 2020, at 10:32, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> For the first time this season we were comprehensively outplayed, outfought 
> and outrun (apparently !) in that 2nd half. Chelsea have quality players all 
> over the park who have time on the ball and were able to side step our 
> terrier like defences and create chance after chance. I've never seen Klich 
> look so out of his depth and as for Philips in that 2nd half, well he just 
> couldn't play against that level. No shame in that though, these are top, top 
> players and when you lose your best defender in the opening part of the game 
> then it's always going to be difficult. 
> I thought we matched them in the first half and started brightly with a great 
> left footed pass from Philips through to Bamford who still had a lot to do. 
> He sidestepped the keeper and calmly slotted home but what the hell was the 
> keeper doing ? He made it really easy for Bamford and if Chelsea had a 
> weakness last night I thought it was their keeper. 
> We caused them problems especially down our right with Raphinha looking 
> lively again. Unfortunately, Harrison on the other wing was having one of 
> those days where he shows us his knack of being able to pick out nobody with 
> a great overhit cross. Harrison has improved beyond recognition over the past 
> 12 months but I feel he's struggling at this level at the moment and I think 
> it is time to give someone else a chance. 
> Here's my scores:
> Miesler - 7. Kept the score sensible with some great saves however I can't 
> help feeling that our set piece problem which has returned massively is in 
> some part down to him. 
> Ayling - 7. I thought he did well generally. 
> 

[LU] Chelsea

2020-12-06 Thread Richard Walker via Leedslist
For the first time this season we were comprehensively outplayed, outfought and 
outrun (apparently !) in that 2nd half. Chelsea have quality players all over 
the park who have time on the ball and were able to side step our terrier like 
defences and create chance after chance. I've never seen Klich look so out of 
his depth and as for Philips in that 2nd half, well he just couldn't play 
against that level. No shame in that though, these are top, top players and 
when you lose your best defender in the opening part of the game then it's 
always going to be difficult. 
I thought we matched them in the first half and started brightly with a great 
left footed pass from Philips through to Bamford who still had a lot to do. He 
sidestepped the keeper and calmly slotted home but what the hell was the keeper 
doing ? He made it really easy for Bamford and if Chelsea had a weakness last 
night I thought it was their keeper. 
We caused them problems especially down our right with Raphinha looking lively 
again. Unfortunately, Harrison on the other wing was having one of those days 
where he shows us his knack of being able to pick out nobody with a great 
overhit cross. Harrison has improved beyond recognition over the past 12 months 
but I feel he's struggling at this level at the moment and I think it is time 
to give someone else a chance. 
Here's my scores:
Miesler - 7. Kept the score sensible with some great saves however I can't help 
feeling that our set piece problem which has returned massively is in some part 
down to him. 
Ayling - 7. I thought he did well generally. 
Allioski - 5. They had too much space down our left. He's not a defensive left 
back so we are going to struggle against the better teams. You can't get away 
playing defenders who are not that good at defending. 
Koch - 5. Not on long enough. It was obviously a gamble to play him. 
Cooper - 7. Possibly his best game this season which seems strange given he 
fell over for the 2nd goal and we looked like conceding 5 or 6 in the 2nd half. 
Overall, I thought he held us together (just) at the back. 
Klich - 5. Looked tired 2nd half or maybe just bemused. Was totally 
ineffective. 
Philips - 4. Started really lively and I thought maybe Everton wasn't a one-off 
but he crumbled and in the second half he looked like a schoolboy amongst men. 
Harrison - 2. Really poor. 
Raphinha - 6. Great first half but hardly touched the ball in the 2nd apart 
from one double chance which would have been spectacular had it gone in. 
Bamford - 7. Good goal and worked hard. 
Subs:
Llorente - 5. I thought he was at fault for their first goal. Stood there with 
his arm up asking for offside rather than getting in front of the Chelsea 
player. He did however show some promise and for me he looks like a prospect. 
Rodrigo - 6. Gave the ball away a couple of times but he looks sharp and he 
looks like he's got time on the ball. In fact, he looked like a Chelsea player. 
If Bielsa can't find a system that places Rodrigo at the heart of everything we 
do then he's not the God we thought. 
Big game Friday now.  
   
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Re: [LU] Chelsea away

2020-12-05 Thread seanscribe--- via Leedslist
Well said, Oystein. 
Bielsa and his team will no doubt rewatch the game and figure out why Chelsea 
enjoyed so much possession in the second half, why we seem to be so vulnerable 
at set pieces, and why Kalvin was so much less effective (other than his 
extraordinary assist) than he was against Everton. I expect us to come back 
stronger against West Ham. And I do feel that the loss of Ben White and 
subsequent inability to get a settled pair at the center of defense has been 
our biggest challenge this season. But I heard a pertinent factoid earlier 
today: the keeper Chelsea had on the bench cost more than our entire starting 
XI. That says it all, really. If we can stay up this season, and then buy 
wisely and well next summer, we can start to dream.
Cheers!
Sean  

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To: Leeds United Mailing list 
Sent: Sat, Dec 5, 2020 5:34 pm
Subject: [LU] Chelsea away


This must be my first ever Saturday night 8pm (UK time) game of footy!
Chelsea away would always be a tough one, but a good start showed we could do 
it half way there. However, Leeds were one size too small tonight, and all the 
if's and but's will never change the result. At the end of the day I can say 
nothing about the result, though the goal difference once again only tell part 
of the story.
Comparing transfer fees and salaries, and looking at the statistics, there is 
absolutely no reason to slag anybody off, or not be proud of the lads!
Soon we will win again, even so in London, mind.
We are here for the long term, and Bielsa nominated for FIFA coach of the year 
award should be cheered by the UK press instead of slagged off. It says it all, 
6 players in the starting line-up tonight was at the club when Bielsa arrived, 
if I am not wrong, more 2 came in when we where in the championship? This award 
should not go to the coach with greatest success, but the coach who added most 
to his players. Before the season, all but Leeds supporters and staff would say 
we would need to substitute almost the entire squad to survive in the 
Premiership..
I am proud to be WHITE, me!
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Re: [LU] Chelsea away

2020-12-05 Thread Ed Morrish
Uh oh

Sent from my iPhone

> On 5 Dec 2020, at 22:34, Øystein Bjøndal Lund  wrote:
> 
> I am proud to be WHITE, me!
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[LU] Chelsea away

2020-12-05 Thread Øystein Bjøndal Lund

This must be my first ever Saturday night 8pm (UK time) game of footy!
Chelsea away would always be a tough one, but a good start showed we could do 
it half way there. However, Leeds were one size too small tonight, and all the 
if's and but's will never change the result. At the end of the day I can say 
nothing about the result, though the goal difference once again only tell part 
of the story.
Comparing transfer fees and salaries, and looking at the statistics, there is 
absolutely no reason to slag anybody off, or not be proud of the lads!
Soon we will win again, even so in London, mind.
We are here for the long term, and Bielsa nominated for FIFA coach of the year 
award should be cheered by the UK press instead of slagged off. It says it all, 
6 players in the starting line-up tonight was at the club when Bielsa arrived, 
if I am not wrong, more 2 came in when we where in the championship? This award 
should not go to the coach with greatest success, but the coach who added most 
to his players. Before the season, all but Leeds supporters and staff would say 
we would need to substitute almost the entire squad to survive in the 
Premiership..
I am proud to be WHITE, me!
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2013-01-31 Thread John Lee
I noticed that Citeh also sing Champions of Ingerland too. 


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Subject: Re: [LU] Chelsea

*i meant singing!

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Urgh!  They are signing WATCOE

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[LU] Chelsea

2013-01-30 Thread matt
Urgh!  They are signing WATCOE

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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2013-01-30 Thread matt
*i meant singing!

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Urgh!  They are signing WATCOE

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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2013-01-30 Thread Jim Moran
I heard that. At half speed!

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[LU] Chelsea

2012-12-20 Thread Richard Walker
Two ways of looking at this match / result. First, it was a stuffing and a 
humiliation.
Second, we matched them for half the game and played some good footy. 
  
I’ll go with the second opinion and when Chelsea bring on a 30
million pound player as a sub you realise that we’re talking about a
different world. I thought we fought hard, we made them make mistakes and more
importantly when we had the ball we used it pretty well. Some of our midfield
play was good and the movement from Thomas, Diouf and Green was impressive. At
the back I thought both central defenders did well.  
  
I’m not going to go through the full game , you all
watched it.  
  
Here’s my scores (I’m only including up to their
2nd goal because after that it was game over and our heads went
down).  
  
Ashdown – 8. Ok, their equaliser was a mistake but he’d
made half a dozen top class saves prior to that and continued to make saves
after. I like the look of him.  
  
Peltier – 5. Massively uncomfortable on the left. I
don’t think he’s happy and he’s our captain. Need to sort
something out here.  
  
Byram – 7. I thought he did well, but again I would
have loved to see him more involved and getting forward from midfield.  
  
Pearce – 8. I thought he really defended well.  
  
Lees – 8. Again I thought he was strong. I’m
liking the look of this lad, I think he’s come on in the last few months.  
  
Brown – 7. He was given the job of being an annoying
little bugga. I was watching him closely and he was mouthing off, niggling,
elbowing, fouling. It worked for 45 mins.  
  
Tonge – 8. I thought he played really well and stepped
up his from his usual contribution. Very creative.  
  
Thomas – 8. I thought he really gave them the
runaround. His cross for the goal was spectacular.  
  
Green – 8. Lively throughout, not much end product but
really put a shift in.  
  
Diouf – 7. Was lively and really tried to make things
happen, I just think he needs some pace around him.  
  
Becchio – 6. Thought he took his goal like a proper
striker and I agree it wasn’t that easy although unmarked 6 yards out you
would expect. I thought he worked hard, got stuck in and unsettled them at
times. Having said that I think it’s low expectations again, he was too
slow, he creates nothing, he needs it handing on a plate, he makes controlling
a simple ball a real effort and he has not pace – Tonge played a lovely
ball through to him and he just didn’t have the legs to get on it, then a
simple one two was asked of him and he just prodded it to a Chelsea player –
groans all round. Every goal is delaying the inevitable. Just not good enough.  
  
Somma was on the bench.  
  
  
Chelseafans –
I thought they were funny (for once) – after Leeds
fans had sung “You’re just a fat Spanish waitor” they
repeated it. They also sang “Are you Saville in disguise ?” to Neil
Warnock. And then sang a 10 minute song about paedos at Elland Road and went 
through the list “Michael
Jackson, Arsene Wenger, Jimmy Saville … “  
  
The Kop sang “4-1 and you still don’t sing”
– believe me they were louder than the Kop from the East Stand.  
  
For me it lacked the atmosphere of an old Chelsea match – I had a Chinese couple
in front of me who just took photies for the full 90 mins. Times are changing
and not for the better IMO.  
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[LU] Chelsea - Has anyone got any Vallium?

2012-12-20 Thread Peter Castlehouse
Vallium? - Not for me chaps and chapesses (if we still have any)

 

Please send, in an unmarked envelope, to Dr Mike. you know where he lives.

 

He has run out of his supply obviously, and he's got the feckin prescription
pad!

 

Merry Christmas all and sundry, and please Dr Mike, calm down before they
slap you with a community treatment order lol

 

Bring on the Boro

 

Pete C

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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2012-12-20 Thread Richard Walker
I forgot to add - how bloody good Chelsea were at times. I don't often enjoy 
watching other teams especailly if they're thumping us but I was really 
impressed with some of their players. 
 
Mata is some player and the pass, move football is something we should aspire 
to. 
 


 From: Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
To: Leeds List leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Thursday, 20 December 2012, 10:07
Subject: [LU] Chelsea
  
Two ways of looking at this match / result. First, it was a stuffing and a 
humiliation.
Second, we matched them for half the game and played some good footy. 
  
I’ll go with the second opinion and when Chelsea bring on a 30
million pound player as a sub you realise that we’re talking about a
different world. I thought we fought hard, we made them make mistakes and more
importantly when we had the ball we used it pretty well. Some of our midfield
play was good and the movement from Thomas, Diouf and Green was impressive. At
the back I thought both central defenders did well.  
  
I’m not going to go through the full game , you all
watched it.  
  
Here’s my scores (I’m only including up to their
2nd goal because after that it was game over and our heads went
down).  
  
Ashdown – 8. Ok, their equaliser was a mistake but he’d
made half a dozen top class saves prior to that and continued to make saves
after. I like the look of him.  
  
Peltier – 5. Massively uncomfortable on the left. I
don’t think he’s happy and he’s our captain. Need to sort
something out here.  
  
Byram – 7. I thought he did well, but again I would
have loved to see him more involved and getting forward from midfield.  
  
Pearce – 8. I thought he really defended well.  
  
Lees – 8. Again I thought he was strong. I’m
liking the look of this lad, I think he’s come on in the last few months.  
  
Brown – 7. He was given the job of being an annoying
little bugga. I was watching him closely and he was mouthing off, niggling,
elbowing, fouling. It worked for 45 mins.  
  
Tonge – 8. I thought he played really well and stepped
up his from his usual contribution. Very creative.  
  
Thomas – 8. I thought he really gave them the
runaround. His cross for the goal was spectacular.  
  
Green – 8. Lively throughout, not much end product but
really put a shift in.  
  
Diouf – 7. Was lively and really tried to make things
happen, I just think he needs some pace around him.  
  
Becchio – 6. Thought he took his goal like a proper
striker and I agree it wasn’t that easy although unmarked 6 yards out you
would expect. I thought he worked hard, got stuck in and unsettled them at
times. Having said that I think it’s low expectations again, he was too
slow, he creates nothing, he needs it handing on a plate, he makes controlling
a simple ball a real effort and he has not pace – Tonge played a lovely
ball through to him and he just didn’t have the legs to get on it, then a
simple one two was asked of him and he just prodded it to a Chelsea player –
groans all round. Every goal is delaying the inevitable. Just not good enough.  
  
Somma was on the bench.  
  
  
Chelseafans –
I thought they were funny (for once) – after Leeds
fans had sung “You’re just a fat Spanish waitor” they
repeated it. They also sang “Are you Saville in disguise ?” to Neil
Warnock. And then sang a 10 minute song about paedos at Elland Road and went 
through the list “Michael
Jackson, Arsene Wenger, Jimmy Saville … “  
  
The Kop sang “4-1 and you still don’t sing”
– believe me they were louder than the Kop from the East Stand.  
  
For me it lacked the atmosphere of an old Chelsea match – I had a Chinese couple
in front of me who just took photies for the full 90 mins. Times are changing
and not for the better IMO.  
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2012-12-20 Thread Dr Michael Benjamin
Bollocks
1-5.and fuck all else
On Dec 20, 2012 4:01 PM, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 I forgot to add - how bloody good Chelsea were at times. I don't often
enjoy watching other teams especailly if they're thumping us but I was
really impressed with some of their players.

 Mata is some player and the pass, move football is something we should
aspire to.


 
  From: Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
 To: Leeds List leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Sent: Thursday, 20 December 2012, 10:07
 Subject: [LU] Chelsea

 Two ways of looking at this match / result. First, it was a stuffing and
a humiliation.
 Second, we matched them for half the game and played some good footy.

 I’ll go with the second opinion and when Chelsea bring on a 30
 million pound player as a sub you realise that we’re talking about a
 different world. I thought we fought hard, we made them make mistakes and
more
 importantly when we had the ball we used it pretty well. Some of our
midfield
 play was good and the movement from Thomas, Diouf and Green was
impressive. At
 the back I thought both central defenders did well.

 I’m not going to go through the full game , you all
 watched it.

 Here’s my scores (I’m only including up to their
 2nd goal because after that it was game over and our heads went
 down).

 Ashdown – 8. Ok, their equaliser was a mistake but he’d
 made half a dozen top class saves prior to that and continued to make
saves
 after. I like the look of him.

 Peltier – 5. Massively uncomfortable on the left. I
 don’t think he’s happy and he’s our captain. Need to sort
 something out here.

 Byram – 7. I thought he did well, but again I would
 have loved to see him more involved and getting forward from midfield.

 Pearce – 8. I thought he really defended well.

 Lees – 8. Again I thought he was strong. I’m
 liking the look of this lad, I think he’s come on in the last few months.

 Brown – 7. He was given the job of being an annoying
 little bugga. I was watching him closely and he was mouthing off,
niggling,
 elbowing, fouling. It worked for 45 mins.

 Tonge – 8. I thought he played really well and stepped
 up his from his usual contribution. Very creative.

 Thomas – 8. I thought he really gave them the
 runaround. His cross for the goal was spectacular.

 Green – 8. Lively throughout, not much end product but
 really put a shift in.

 Diouf – 7. Was lively and really tried to make things
 happen, I just think he needs some pace around him.

 Becchio – 6. Thought he took his goal like a proper
 striker and I agree it wasn’t that easy although unmarked 6 yards out you
 would expect. I thought he worked hard, got stuck in and unsettled them at
 times. Having said that I think it’s low expectations again, he was too
 slow, he creates nothing, he needs it handing on a plate, he makes
controlling
 a simple ball a real effort and he has not pace – Tonge played a lovely
 ball through to him and he just didn’t have the legs to get on it, then a
 simple one two was asked of him and he just prodded it to a Chelsea
player –
 groans all round. Every goal is delaying the inevitable. Just not good
enough.

 Somma was on the bench.


 Chelseafans –
 I thought they were funny (for once) – after Leeds
 fans had sung “You’re just a fat Spanish waitor” they
 repeated it. They also sang “Are you Saville in disguise ?” to Neil
 Warnock. And then sang a 10 minute song about paedos at Elland Road and
went through the list “Michael
 Jackson, Arsene Wenger, Jimmy Saville … “

 The Kop sang “4-1 and you still don’t sing”
 – believe me they were louder than the Kop from the East Stand.

 For me it lacked the atmosphere of an old Chelsea match – I had a Chinese
couple
 in front of me who just took photies for the full 90 mins. Times are
changing
 and not for the better IMO.
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2012-12-20 Thread Nicholas Armit
Brown is a horrible niggly slow bastard. Can't stand him.



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Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:19 PM
Subject: [LU] Chelsea
 

I missed the last goal but overall I think the 5-1 scoreline flattered them a 
little. Sure they deserved the victory but not by that much. First half they 
were the better team but we battled hard, seemed to miss Tate in central 
defence but overall we did a good job and Ashdown in goal was equal to whatever 
they threw at us. Then a great pas by Byram? put Thomas free on the left and he 
delivered an inch perfect pass to Becchio who scored probably the best goal 
I've ever seen him score. That was not an easy finish. Second half they 
equalised right away with a soft goal though Ashdown had made some great saves 
beforehand to keep us in the game so I can't fault him too much. I was actually 
quite pleased with our response to that equalizer, we didn't give up and I felt 
we gave them a right go at that point. Then they went 3-1 up in the blink of an 
eye and then it was game over, we lost heart and Warnock did too, he took off 
Thomas and Diouf to (hopefully)
 rest them. They knew it w
as game over, we tried to press and then got caught for the fourth goal. Fifth 
goal I missed so don;t know how that happened.
Positives - Byram had a good game, Ashdown did well except for the one goal. 
Thomas was a threat, and I thought Tonge was solid and Lees did a good job. Our 
team did pretty well against the second most expensively assembled side in the 
world, this wasn't Chelsea second team, they had some serious heavyweights in 
there and as somebody pointed out they had around 130M in firepower up front.
Negatives - Peltier is out of his depth at premiership level, he got pulled all 
over the place. Brown is an enforcer but is otherwise rubbish, my Chelsea 
supporting brother was actually quite impressed with Leeds' overall play, 
except for Brown, and agreed 1-5 was a flattering scoreline.
My only concern from this game is that after working so hard and doing pretty 
well for 60 minutes, we'll be demoralised by the thrashing.
All in all for the 80 odd minutes I saw I feel I can hold my head up high by 
the effort Leeds put in.
Jeremy                           
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2012-12-20 Thread Ed Morrish
On 20 December 2012 15:06, Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Brown is a horrible niggly slow bastard. Can't stand him.

He does that awful combination of both committing really cheap and
nasty fouls, and diving/play-acting. Hateful, hateful man.
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2012-12-20 Thread Richard Walker
Agree but that's what we needed last night. First 45 minutes Brown rattled Mata 
and was pretty effective. It was never going to last. I think at times we maybe 
tried to play too much footballer and should have gone for the Brown approach 
more often. 

 


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To: Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com 
Cc: Leeds List leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Thursday, 20 December 2012, 15:15
Subject: Re: [LU] Chelsea
  
On 20 December 2012 15:06, Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Brown is a horrible niggly slow bastard. Can't stand him.

He does that awful combination of both committing really cheap and
nasty fouls, and diving/play-acting. Hateful, hateful man.
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2012-12-20 Thread Matt Anderson
His bird can have a job on calendar! 

Sent from my iPhone

On 20 Dec 2012, at 15:18, Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Mata is awesome. Sign up Lampard in January.
 
 
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2012-12-20 Thread forzaleeds
In financial terms it was pointed out to me this morning that Torres + any two 
other Chelsea players were worth more than the club, the current squad and what 
Papa Smurf claims he has put into us!


From the bookies point of view I wonder what the odds on us going in 1-0 up at 
half time were?



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To: Matt Anderson m...@leeds-united.net
CC: Leeds List leedslist@gn.apc.org
Sent: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:16
Subject: Re: [LU] Chelsea


The perfect solution!

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 His bird can have a job on calendar! 
 
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 Mata is awesome. Sign up Lampard in January.
 
 
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2012-12-20 Thread Richard Naef
In financial terms it was pointed out to me this morning that Torres +
any two other Chelsea players were worth more than the club, the current
squad and what Papa Smurf claims he has put into us!


From the bookies point of view I wonder what the odds on us going in 1-0
up at half time were?


dunno, but I won £38.63 on £7 bet that Becchio would score and be the first
scorer :)

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[LU] Chelsea

2012-12-19 Thread Jeremy Adams

I missed the last goal but overall I think the 5-1 scoreline flattered them a 
little. Sure they deserved the victory but not by that much. First half they 
were the better team but we battled hard, seemed to miss Tate in central 
defence but overall we did a good job and Ashdown in goal was equal to whatever 
they threw at us. Then a great pas by Byram? put Thomas free on the left and he 
delivered an inch perfect pass to Becchio who scored probably the best goal 
I've ever seen him score. That was not an easy finish. Second half they 
equalised right away with a soft goal though Ashdown had made some great saves 
beforehand to keep us in the game so I can't fault him too much. I was actually 
quite pleased with our response to that equalizer, we didn't give up and I felt 
we gave them a right go at that point. Then they went 3-1 up in the blink of an 
eye and then it was game over, we lost heart and Warnock did too, he took off 
Thomas and Diouf to (hopefully) rest them. They knew it w
 as game over, we tried to press and then got caught for the fourth goal. Fifth 
goal I missed so don;t know how that happened.
Positives - Byram had a good game, Ashdown did well except for the one goal. 
Thomas was a threat, and I thought Tonge was solid and Lees did a good job. Our 
team did pretty well against the second most expensively assembled side in the 
world, this wasn't Chelsea second team, they had some serious heavyweights in 
there and as somebody pointed out they had around 130M in firepower up front.
Negatives - Peltier is out of his depth at premiership level, he got pulled all 
over the place. Brown is an enforcer but is otherwise rubbish, my Chelsea 
supporting brother was actually quite impressed with Leeds' overall play, 
except for Brown, and agreed 1-5 was a flattering scoreline.
My only concern from this game is that after working so hard and doing pretty 
well for 60 minutes, we'll be demoralised by the thrashing.
All in all for the 80 odd minutes I saw I feel I can hold my head up high by 
the effort Leeds put in.
Jeremy
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[LU] Chelsea reflections

2012-12-19 Thread Robert Heath
Sad but almost inevitable outcome really. My only real disappoinment was
that Torres scored..just seconds after I said to the cat Well, at
least Torres hasn't scored.

What a great goal though (ours, I mean!) The pass from Thomas was superb,
and the finish simply magnificent. When I first saw it, I thought he had
scuffed it in off his ankle, but noon a greasy wet pitch, to
control that ball and place it so perfectly with one touch
was...well, from Becchio, nothing less than astounding!

Somma on the bench.that was a nice thing to see.

I was very impressed by Tonge, Brown, Green, Lees  Pearce.

In Doha now, but I'll be at the Boro match on Satdy...can't wait!
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2012-12-13 Thread Paul Tweney

Wednesday - 19:45 KO.

Maverick.


- Original Message - 
From: Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com

To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 2:00 PM
Subject: [LU] Chelsea



So Chelsea play Sunday in Japan and then us on Tuesday?
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2012-12-13 Thread Leeds List
Rafa will definatley play a strong a team as he can get away with - with 
Arsenal out they should be certainties and a bit of silverware would keep the 
fans off his back. 
On the other hand losing to us even with the World Club Championship in the 
bag would not help his cause there and without it dropping out of this cup as 
well...
As a flat track bully I expect Torres to play next week.
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On 13 Dec 2012, at 14:33, Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com wrote:

 
 Seems like they took quite a strong side out there too so hopefully they'll 
 be knackered come Wednesday, assuming Rafa is planning on sending out a 
 strong side on Weds.
 
 From: paul.twe...@ntlworld.com
 To: arm...@yahoo.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 14:24:22 +
 Subject: Re: [LU] Chelsea
 
 Wednesday - 19:45 KO.
 
 Maverick.
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com
 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 2:00 PM
 Subject: [LU] Chelsea
 
 
 So Chelsea play Sunday in Japan and then us on Tuesday?
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2012-12-13 Thread Nicholas Armit
I feel more confident than I did three weeks ago. Until we play Ipswich 
anyway



 From: Leeds List forzale...@aol.com
To: Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com 
Cc: Leeds List leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [LU] Chelsea
 
Rafa will definatley play a strong a team as he can get away with - with 
Arsenal out they should be certainties and a bit of silverware would keep the 
fans off his back. 
On the other hand losing to us even with the World Club Championship in the 
bag would not help his cause there and without it dropping out of this cup as 
well...
As a flat track bully I expect Torres to play next week.
Sent from my iPhone

On 13 Dec 2012, at 14:33, Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com wrote:

 
 Seems like they took quite a strong side out there too so hopefully they'll 
 be knackered come Wednesday, assuming Rafa is planning on sending out a 
 strong side on Weds.
 
 From: paul.twe...@ntlworld.com
 To: arm...@yahoo.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 14:24:22 +
 Subject: Re: [LU] Chelsea
 
 Wednesday - 19:45 KO.
 
 Maverick.
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com
 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 2:00 PM
 Subject: [LU] Chelsea
 
 
 So Chelsea play Sunday in Japan and then us on Tuesday?
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2012-12-13 Thread Nicholas Armit
Team they played against Wolves in an earlier round. Not even really second 
string and they won 6-0 (different manager too).

* 22 Turnbull
* 24 Cahill
* 26 Terry
* 28 Azpilicueta
* 34 Bertrand
* 06 Romeu
* 07 Ramires (Oscar - 59' )
* 13 Moses
* 09 Torres (Hazard - 78' )
* 10 Mata (Marin - 70' )
* 35 Piazon



 From: Paul Tweney paul.twe...@ntlworld.com
To: Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [LU] Chelsea
 
Wednesday - 19:45 KO.

Maverick.


- Original Message - From: Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 2:00 PM
Subject: [LU] Chelsea


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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2012-12-13 Thread Dr Michael Benjamin
I'll give you four goals and take Chelsea.
Bet on a meal
On Dec 13, 2012 7:42 PM, Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I feel more confident than I did three weeks ago. Until we play Ipswich
 anyway


 
  From: Leeds List forzale...@aol.com
 To: Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com
 Cc: Leeds List leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 10:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [LU] Chelsea

 Rafa will definatley play a strong a team as he can get away with - with
 Arsenal out they should be certainties and a bit of silverware would keep
 the fans off his back.
 On the other hand losing to us even with the World Club Championship in
 the bag would not help his cause there and without it dropping out of this
 cup as well...
 As a flat track bully I expect Torres to play next week.
 Sent from my iPhone

 On 13 Dec 2012, at 14:33, Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com wrote:

 
  Seems like they took quite a strong side out there too so hopefully
 they'll be knackered come Wednesday, assuming Rafa is planning on sending
 out a strong side on Weds.
 
  From: paul.twe...@ntlworld.com
  To: arm...@yahoo.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org
  Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 14:24:22 +
  Subject: Re: [LU] Chelsea
 
  Wednesday - 19:45 KO.
 
  Maverick.
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com
  To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
  Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 2:00 PM
  Subject: [LU] Chelsea
 
 
  So Chelsea play Sunday in Japan and then us on Tuesday?
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2012-12-13 Thread Ian Murray
Ill take that mate. You're giving Leeds a four goal start? 

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On 13 Dec 2012, at 20:04, Dr Michael Benjamin m...@myray.com wrote:

 I'll give you four goals and take Chelsea.
 Bet on a meal
 On Dec 13, 2012 7:42 PM, Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 I feel more confident than I did three weeks ago. Until we play Ipswich
 anyway
 
 
 
 From: Leeds List forzale...@aol.com
 To: Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com
 Cc: Leeds List leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 10:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [LU] Chelsea
 
 Rafa will definatley play a strong a team as he can get away with - with
 Arsenal out they should be certainties and a bit of silverware would keep
 the fans off his back.
 On the other hand losing to us even with the World Club Championship in
 the bag would not help his cause there and without it dropping out of this
 cup as well...
 As a flat track bully I expect Torres to play next week.
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 13 Dec 2012, at 14:33, Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 
 Seems like they took quite a strong side out there too so hopefully
 they'll be knackered come Wednesday, assuming Rafa is planning on sending
 out a strong side on Weds.
 
 From: paul.twe...@ntlworld.com
 To: arm...@yahoo.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 14:24:22 +
 Subject: Re: [LU] Chelsea
 
 Wednesday - 19:45 KO.
 
 Maverick.
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com
 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 2:00 PM
 Subject: [LU] Chelsea
 
 
 So Chelsea play Sunday in Japan and then us on Tuesday?
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2012-12-13 Thread Dr Michael Benjamin
Yup
One bet only!

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On 13 December 2012 23:33, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Ill take that mate. You're giving Leeds a four goal start?

 Sent from my iPhone

 On 13 Dec 2012, at 20:04, Dr Michael Benjamin m...@myray.com wrote:

  I'll give you four goals and take Chelsea.
  Bet on a meal
  On Dec 13, 2012 7:42 PM, Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  I feel more confident than I did three weeks ago. Until we play Ipswich
  anyway
 
 
  
  From: Leeds List forzale...@aol.com
  To: Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com
  Cc: Leeds List leedslist@gn.apc.org
  Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 10:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [LU] Chelsea
 
  Rafa will definatley play a strong a team as he can get away with - with
  Arsenal out they should be certainties and a bit of silverware would
 keep
  the fans off his back.
  On the other hand losing to us even with the World Club Championship
 in
  the bag would not help his cause there and without it dropping out of
 this
  cup as well...
  As a flat track bully I expect Torres to play next week.
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On 13 Dec 2012, at 14:33, Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com
 wrote:
 
 
  Seems like they took quite a strong side out there too so hopefully
  they'll be knackered come Wednesday, assuming Rafa is planning on
 sending
  out a strong side on Weds.
 
  From: paul.twe...@ntlworld.com
  To: arm...@yahoo.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org
  Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 14:24:22 +
  Subject: Re: [LU] Chelsea
 
  Wednesday - 19:45 KO.
 
  Maverick.
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com
  To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
  Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 2:00 PM
  Subject: [LU] Chelsea
 
 
  So Chelsea play Sunday in Japan and then us on Tuesday?
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2012-12-13 Thread Ian Murray
Done deal.

Sent from my iPhone

On 13 Dec 2012, at 22:02, Dr Michael Benjamin m...@myray.com wrote:

 Yup
 One bet only!
 
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 On 13 December 2012 23:33, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Ill take that mate. You're giving Leeds a four goal start?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 13 Dec 2012, at 20:04, Dr Michael Benjamin m...@myray.com wrote:
 
  I'll give you four goals and take Chelsea.
  Bet on a meal
  On Dec 13, 2012 7:42 PM, Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  I feel more confident than I did three weeks ago. Until we play Ipswich
  anyway
 
 
  
  From: Leeds List forzale...@aol.com
  To: Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com
  Cc: Leeds List leedslist@gn.apc.org
  Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 10:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [LU] Chelsea
 
  Rafa will definatley play a strong a team as he can get away with - with
  Arsenal out they should be certainties and a bit of silverware would keep
  the fans off his back.
  On the other hand losing to us even with the World Club Championship in
  the bag would not help his cause there and without it dropping out of this
  cup as well...
  As a flat track bully I expect Torres to play next week.
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On 13 Dec 2012, at 14:33, Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 
  Seems like they took quite a strong side out there too so hopefully
  they'll be knackered come Wednesday, assuming Rafa is planning on sending
  out a strong side on Weds.
 
  From: paul.twe...@ntlworld.com
  To: arm...@yahoo.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org
  Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 14:24:22 +
  Subject: Re: [LU] Chelsea
 
  Wednesday - 19:45 KO.
 
  Maverick.
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com
  To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
  Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 2:00 PM
  Subject: [LU] Chelsea
 
 
  So Chelsea play Sunday in Japan and then us on Tuesday?
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Re: [LU] Chelsea

2012-12-13 Thread Dr Michael Benjamin
Not Kosher!!


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On 14 December 2012 00:03, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Done deal.

 Sent from my iPhone

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 Yup
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 On 13 December 2012 23:33, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Ill take that mate. You're giving Leeds a four goal start?

 Sent from my iPhone

 On 13 Dec 2012, at 20:04, Dr Michael Benjamin m...@myray.com wrote:

  I'll give you four goals and take Chelsea.
  Bet on a meal
  On Dec 13, 2012 7:42 PM, Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  I feel more confident than I did three weeks ago. Until we play Ipswich
  anyway
 
 
  
  From: Leeds List forzale...@aol.com
  To: Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com
  Cc: Leeds List leedslist@gn.apc.org
  Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 10:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [LU] Chelsea
 
  Rafa will definatley play a strong a team as he can get away with -
 with
  Arsenal out they should be certainties and a bit of silverware would
 keep
  the fans off his back.
  On the other hand losing to us even with the World Club Championship
 in
  the bag would not help his cause there and without it dropping out of
 this
  cup as well...
  As a flat track bully I expect Torres to play next week.
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On 13 Dec 2012, at 14:33, Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com
 wrote:
 
 
  Seems like they took quite a strong side out there too so hopefully
  they'll be knackered come Wednesday, assuming Rafa is planning on
 sending
  out a strong side on Weds.
 
  From: paul.twe...@ntlworld.com
  To: arm...@yahoo.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org
  Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 14:24:22 +
  Subject: Re: [LU] Chelsea
 
  Wednesday - 19:45 KO.
 
  Maverick.
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com
  To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
  Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 2:00 PM
  Subject: [LU] Chelsea
 
 
  So Chelsea play Sunday in Japan and then us on Tuesday?
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Re: [LU] chelsea

2012-11-01 Thread Nigel Barber
It does mean that Bates will now inevitably delay the takeover until he's
trousered the takings from that nice little earner.


Nigel.


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Re: [LU] chelsea

2012-11-01 Thread Matt Anderson
Could be his finale as Chairman!  Would be a nice way to end it

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Subject: Re: [LU] chelsea

It does mean that Bates will now inevitably delay the takeover until he's
trousered the takings from that nice little earner.


Nigel.


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Re: [LU] chelsea

2012-11-01 Thread Richard Naef

Could be his finale as Chairman!  Would be a nice way to end it


yeah, both sets of supporters turn their backs and drop their trousers in
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Re: [LU] chelsea

2012-11-01 Thread Dr Michael Benjamin
Think so?


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On 1 November 2012 12:13, Matt Anderson m...@leeds-united.net wrote:

 Could be his finale as Chairman!  Would be a nice way to end it

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 On
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 Sent: 01 November 2012 09:18
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 Subject: Re: [LU] chelsea

 It does mean that Bates will now inevitably delay the takeover until he's
 trousered the takings from that nice little earner.


 Nigel.


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Re: [LU] chelsea

2012-11-01 Thread Leeds List
From what we all know about Kenneth I'd say he would love it just love it to 
go out of Leeds on the back of knocking Chelsea out of the cup. I think that 
sticking the boot into Roman Abramovich would give him almost as much pleasure 
as trousering the millions he'll make from the sale.

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 On 1 November 2012 12:13, Matt Anderson m...@leeds-united.net wrote:
 
 Could be his finale as Chairman!  Would be a nice way to end it
 
 -Original Message-
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 On
 Behalf Of Nigel Barber
 Sent: 01 November 2012 09:18
 To: Jeremy Adams
 Cc: Leeds List
 Subject: Re: [LU] chelsea
 
 It does mean that Bates will now inevitably delay the takeover until he's
 trousered the takings from that nice little earner.
 
 
 Nigel.
 
 
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Re: [LU] chelsea

2012-11-01 Thread Damian Walsh
I'm surprised it's just me that thinks the person who has instructed a
bunch of chancer wannabe bankers (apparently sic) to hog any and all
opportunities of buying Leeds could be none other than a Mr. Kenneth B. of
some parish or other.

I was going to put 2,5M into the club over the summer - 1/2M in fees to
keep the supporters and the manager off my back for a year and 2M that in a
climate of hope will be paid back before Xmas.

Or should I have kept to my resolution never to read postings by Dr. M ;)

Damian



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 From what we all know about Kenneth I... go out of Leeds on the back
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Re: [LU] chelsea

2012-11-01 Thread Rick Duniec
It isn't just you.
  - Original Message - 
  I'm surprised it's just me that thinks the person who has instructed a 
bunch of chancer wannabe bankers (apparently sic) to hog any and all 
opportunities of buying Leeds could be none other than a Mr. Kenneth B. of some 
parish or other.
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Re: [LU] chelsea

2012-11-01 Thread swin...@yahoo.co.uk
Certainly isn't.

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To: Damian Walsh pussaydam...@gmail.com, leedslist leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] chelsea
Date: Thu, Nov 1, 2012 21:19
It isn't just you.
- Original Message - 
I'm surprised it's just me
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Re: [LU] chelsea

2012-11-01 Thread Paul Cundell
No, I think there are quite a few of us who think that way

Betty wrote:
Certainly isn't.

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It isn't just you.
- Original Message - 
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Re: [LU] chelsea

2012-11-01 Thread Ian Murray
Do you seriously think that Bates and GFH are one and the same? Christ Id not 
even thought about that. That would be probably the most depressing thing.


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 No, I think there are quite a few of us who think that way
 
 Betty wrote:
 Certainly isn't.
 
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 It isn't just you.
 - Original Message - 
 I'm surprised it's just me
 
 
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Re: [LU] chelsea

2012-11-01 Thread seanscribe
Come on, folks, outline the conspiracy theory for all of us. 


Cheers!


Sean



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To: paul p...@cundell.com
Cc: Leeds List leedslist@gn.apc.org
Sent: Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:12 pm
Subject: Re: [LU] chelsea


Do you seriously think that Bates and GFH are one and the same? Christ Id not 
even thought about that. That would be probably the most depressing thing.


Sent from my iPhone

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 No, I think there are quite a few of us who think that way
 
 Betty wrote:
 Certainly isn't.
 
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 It isn't just you.
 - Original Message - 
 I'm surprised it's just me
 
 
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Re: [LU] chelsea

2012-10-31 Thread Andy Pyzer

first up for league Cup home versus Chelsea hey ho
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Re: [LU] chelsea

2012-10-31 Thread Jeremy Adams

Bring em on! Nothing to lose and everything to gain over my Chelsea supporting 
brother.


  
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