Re: [LegacyUG] uploading woes part II
cable - Original Message - From: Mike Fry mike...@iafrica.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] uploading woes part II Michele Lewis wrote: I am uploading my files via FileZilla instead of Ipswitch and it is just as slow. My internet connection registers as fast (using the free utility that someone posted). I can't for the life of me figure out why it takes so long. I have approx 7500 pages (pedigree style) with no photos. Remind me, what type of connection do you use? If DSL over cable, then the speed quoted to you would be for the area cable itself. That gets shared amongst everyone using that cable. Think of cable as like a LAN. -- Best regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.14.3/2409 - Release Date: 10/02/09 06:46:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Changing surname
I have a line that started out as having the surname Peter. Somewhere prior to today, it became Peters. Is there a way to have it as Peter up to a certain point and then convert it to Peters in later generations? Jane Sarles
Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
Why don't you use the a.k.a.? On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 5:30 AM, Jane Sarles sarlesinsi...@gmail.com wrote: I have a line that started out as having the surname Peter. Somewhere prior to today, it became Peters. Is there a way to have it as Peter up to a certain point and then convert it to Peters in later generations? Jane Sarles -- Anne PICKETTS Waipu, NZ NZSG #5331; KFHS #6151 Also at: a...@waipumuseum.com
[LegacyUG] Transcribing census errors?
When the enumerator has made errors, most commonly in spelling the surname, or when you are getting the info online where the transcriber has made errors in interpreting the handwriting, do you copy into Legacy what is actually there or what should have been there - the correct spelling? My family has a unique name wherein anyone in Canada with the same spelling is related and the spelling has always been consistent within the family going back over 200 years, but the errors in census are amazing. I would never have found the family had they not lived on the same homestead for 5 generations. When I finally found a census where the name was correct, the enumerator was my great-grandfather! Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Transcribing census errors?
Whenever I am entering verbatim from a source where the spelling is incorrect I follow it with [sic] which acknowledges the incorrect spelling as opposed to a typing error. If it is a census record, I would note in the beginning Smith incorrectly transcribed/enumerated as 'Smyth' ' or something like that. If possible, I also send in a correction(Ancestry.com has such a program.) Virginia Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Transcribing census errors?
There's not only errors in the actual census records, but if you've ever done a search at Ancestry.com the indexes are worse. That's why I always transcribe from the records myself even though it does help to put the misspellings as an alternate name just in case the misspellings are consistent in other records. Bill -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Mary Horner Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 3:35 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Transcribing census errors? When the enumerator has made errors, most commonly in spelling the surname, or when you are getting the info online where the transcriber has made errors in interpreting the handwriting, do you copy into Legacy what is actually there or what should have been there - the correct spelling? My family has a unique name wherein anyone in Canada with the same spelling is related and the spelling has always been consistent within the family going back over 200 years, but the errors in census are amazing. I would never have found the family had they not lived on the same homestead for 5 generations. When I finally found a census where the name was correct, the enumerator was my great-grandfather! Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Publishing Center - Ancestor Report
I'm pretty sure I've missed something, but can't figure out what. I have multiple chapters in a book - the descendant reports look fine, with sources as endnotes after each chapter. But the Ancestor reports continue to break after each generation - starting each generation on a new page, even though I have unchecked the box in the page layout report options to start a new page after each generation. Creating an Ancestor Report, starting in the Books and Other screen works well - no page breaks between generations. Anyone have any suggestions on how to eliminate the page breaks in an Ancestor Report when using the Publishing Center? Judy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Transcribing census errors?
Mary Horner wrote When the enumerator has made errors, most commonly in spelling the surname, or when you are getting the info online where the transcriber has made errors in interpreting the handwriting, do you copy into Legacy what is actually there or what should have been there - the correct spelling? My family has a unique name wherein anyone in Canada with the same spelling is related and the spelling has always been consistent within the family going back over 200 years, but the errors in census are amazing. I would never have found the family had they not lived on the same homestead for 5 generations. When I finally found a census where the name was correct, the enumerator was my great-grandfather! The rule is that you always enter exactly what you see, not what you think it ought to be. I know in this case it is 99.999% certain that what you are seeing is wrong (don't forget that until quite recently spelling was very fluid and people weren't too bothered about it) but even so you should enter it in Legacy as it is written. You can always add a note about the variation in spelling and why you believe this Joe Blogs to be the same person as the Joe Bloggs of your records if you think it is necessary. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
Do both surnames appear in reports? Jane Sarles On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Ron Ferguson rnldfe...@tiscali.co.ukwrote: Sorry, Jane, but I do not understand your problem here. I have the same situation with a family called Heyes up to the late 19c and Hayes thereafter. I entered the surname as Heyes until it changed and then entered Hayes. This did mean that sometimes a child had a different name from the parent, and if both were used by the same person then I used the AKAs. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Follow me on twitter http://twitter.com/ronfergy - Original Message - From: Jane Sarles To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: 03 October 2009 17:30 Subject: [LegacyUG] Changing surname I have a line that started out as having the surname Peter. Somewhere prior to today, it became Peters. Is there a way to have it as Peter up to a certain point and then convert it to Peters in later generations? Jane Sarles Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Transcribing census errors?
I record it exactly has the censustaker wrote it. If I know it is wrong, then I put it as an AKA. I do not use what the transcriber wrote. I look at the census myself and write what I see. michele - Original Message - From: Mary Horner maryhor...@shaw.ca To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 3:34 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] Transcribing census errors? When the enumerator has made errors, most commonly in spelling the surname, or when you are getting the info online where the transcriber has made errors in interpreting the handwriting, do you copy into Legacy what is actually there or what should have been there - the correct spelling? My family has a unique name wherein anyone in Canada with the same spelling is related and the spelling has always been consistent within the family going back over 200 years, but the errors in census are amazing. I would never have found the family had they not lived on the same homestead for 5 generations. When I finally found a census where the name was correct, the enumerator was my great-grandfather! Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.14.3/2411 - Release Date: 10/03/09 06:20:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
Right now they are all in as Peter.Actually I would like all those after a certain date to be Peters. Must I go to the screen for each one and do and AKA? No way to do it as a group? Jane On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Anne Picketts waipuc...@gmail.com wrote: Why don't you use the a.k.a.? On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 5:30 AM, Jane Sarles sarlesinsi...@gmail.comwrote: I have a line that started out as having the surname Peter. Somewhere prior to today, it became Peters. Is there a way to have it as Peter up to a certain point and then convert it to Peters in later generations? Jane Sarles -- Anne PICKETTS Waipu, NZ NZSG #5331; KFHS #6151 Also at: a...@waipumuseum.com
RE: [LegacyUG] What to cite?
Eric...include all sources...What I do for the so called obscure is place the source information in the notes of the event...I also include the wrong data I have found and explain why it is wrong or why I think it is wrong so others who read your data understand when they run across this incorrect data. I know it takes time to do this but in the long run for you and others you do not have to re think data. Richard Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 22:58:48 -1000 Subject: [LegacyUG] What to cite? From: sigmentenb...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Hello everyone- I have a couple questions if you don't mind: 1)-What are your opinions on what information to cite? I have some individuals in my family who appear in many records; for example, one of my 6th great-grandfathers appears no less than 17 times in church records. Is it appropriate for me to create citations for all 17 times his name appeared in the records? 2)-For more recent ancestors, their names may appear dozens of times in various records. Do I cite only the most reliable (vital, church records) ones or cite other obscure ones as well that give the same information? This is something that I have been thinking about for a long time and just need some opinions on it. Thank you! Sincerely, Eric _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] What to cite?
Hello everyone- I have a couple questions if you don't mind: 1)-What are your opinions on what information to cite? I have some individuals in my family who appear in many records; for example, one of my 6th great-grandfathers appears no less than 17 times in church records. Is it appropriate for me to create citations for all 17 times his name appeared in the records? 2)-For more recent ancestors, their names may appear dozens of times in various records. Do I cite only the most reliable (vital, church records) ones or cite other obscure ones as well that give the same information? This is something that I have been thinking about for a long time and just need some opinions on it. Thank you! Sincerely, Eric
Re: [LegacyUG] Publishing Center - Ancestor Report
Judy wrote I'm pretty sure I've missed something, but can't figure out what. I have multiple chapters in a book - the descendant reports look fine, with sources as endnotes after each chapter. But the Ancestor reports continue to break after each generation - starting each generation on a new page, even though I have unchecked the box in the page layout report options to start a new page after each generation. Creating an Ancestor Report, starting in the Books and Other screen works well - no page breaks between generations. Anyone have any suggestions on how to eliminate the page breaks in an Ancestor Report when using the Publishing Center? If you've missed something I can't see what it is. I think you should report this as a bug. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
Sorry, Jane, but I do not understand your problem here. I have the same situation with a family called Heyes up to the late 19c and Hayes thereafter. I entered the surname as Heyes until it changed and then entered Hayes. This did mean that sometimes a child had a different name from the parent, and if both were used by the same person then I used the AKAs. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Follow me on twitter http://twitter.com/ronfergy - Original Message - From: Jane Sarles To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: 03 October 2009 17:30 Subject: [LegacyUG] Changing surname I have a line that started out as having the surname Peter. Somewhere prior to today, it became Peters. Is there a way to have it as Peter up to a certain point and then convert it to Peters in later generations? Jane Sarles Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
Jane Sarles wrote I have a line that started out as having the surname Peter. Somewhere prior to today, it became Peters. Is there a way to have it as Peter up to a certain point and then convert it to Peters in later generations? Are you saying that at a certain point all members of the family changed the spelling of their name or that Father Peters was always known as Peters, as were his ancestors, but his son changed the name to Peter and his descendents inherited that spelling? I think you probably mean the later, in which case you need to decide whether the person who changed the name mainly used Peter or Peters. Whichever was principally used, I would enter that as the main Surname and the other as AKA. There is no reason why you cannot have a Father surnamed Peters with one child, or several children, surnamed Peter. (Legacy suggests a child's surname the same as the father's but you just overtype this if you wish.) It's a bit more complicated if several generations all changed their spelling during their lives, but again you'd have to decide which was main name and which was AKA. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
I handle name variations the same way as Ron does. Ron Ferguson wrote: Sorry, Jane, but I do not understand your problem here. I have the same situation with a family called Heyes up to the late 19c and Hayes thereafter. I entered the surname as Heyes until it changed and then entered Hayes. This did mean that sometimes a child had a different name from the parent, and if both were used by the same person then I used the AKAs. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Follow me on twitter http://twitter.com/ronfergy - Original Message - From: Jane Sarles To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: 03 October 2009 17:30 Subject: [LegacyUG] Changing surname I have a line that started out as having the surname Peter. Somewhere prior to today, it became Peters. Is there a way to have it as Peter up to a certain point and then convert it to Peters in later generations? Jane Sarles Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
Jane, You can try SearchSearch and Replace and set it so that you have to approve each change. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Follow me on twitter http://twitter.com/ronfergy - Original Message - From: Jane Sarles To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: 03 October 2009 19:01 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname Right now they are all in as Peter.Actually I would like all those after a certain date to be Peters. Must I go to the screen for each one and do and AKA? No way to do it as a group? Jane On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Anne Picketts waipuc...@gmail.com wrote: Why don't you use the a.k.a.? On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 5:30 AM, Jane Sarles sarlesinsi...@gmail.com wrote: I have a line that started out as having the surname Peter. Somewhere prior to today, it became Peters. Is there a way to have it as Peter up to a certain point and then convert it to Peters in later generations? Jane Sarles -- Anne PICKETTS Waipu, NZ NZSG #5331; KFHS #6151 Also at: a...@waipumuseum.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] What to cite?
Not at all Eric, at least I don't. At the most I source the vital records twice; for a name it may be any two of eg, a birth index, birth certificate, marriage index, marriage certificate, census. Usually other times when one finds a name it is in conjunction with an Event, such as Occupation, Emigration etc. in which case I use the source to Source the Event and not the name. I apply the same way of working to all records. I do prioritise according to reliability, and also use my assessment of the Surety Level. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ - Original Message - From: Eric To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: 03 October 2009 09:58 Subject: [LegacyUG] What to cite? Hello everyone- I have a couple questions if you don't mind: 1)-What are your opinions on what information to cite? I have some individuals in my family who appear in many records; for example, one of my 6th great-grandfathers appears no less than 17 times in church records. Is it appropriate for me to create citations for all 17 times his name appeared in the records? 2)-For more recent ancestors, their names may appear dozens of times in various records. Do I cite only the most reliable (vital, church records) ones or cite other obscure ones as well that give the same information? This is something that I have been thinking about for a long time and just need some opinions on it. Thank you! Sincerely, Eric Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] What to cite?
My answers are below... 1)-What are your opinions on what information to cite? I have some individuals in my family who appear in many records; for example, one of my 6th great-grandfathers appears no less than 17 times in church records. Is it appropriate for me to create citations for all 17 times his name appeared in the records? If each entry is completely distinct them I would record them all. It just gives you a better picture of your ancestor. For example, My Obedience Lee Perry should up in many church records mainly because she was a bit of a rebel and she was always being called on the carpet :) :) :) 2)-For more recent ancestors, their names may appear dozens of times in various records. Do I cite only the most reliable (vital, church records) ones or cite other obscure ones as well that give the same information? This is something that I have been thinking about for a long time and just need some opinions on it. I always cite all references to a particular fact. It shows that I have checked everything. For example, a date of death... I might have cemetery record obituary death certificate Bible record SSDI Sometimes they won't all agree! If I just picked one to use then I might be missing something. Just because I have a Bible record doesn't mean I am not going to look for the grave or an obit or a death certificate. Michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Publishing Center - Ancestor Report
Thanks, Jenny - I've done just that. Judy - Original Message - From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Publishing Center - Ancestor Report Judy wrote I'm pretty sure I've missed something, but can't figure out what. I have multiple chapters in a book - the descendant reports look fine, with sources as endnotes after each chapter. But the Ancestor reports continue to break after each generation - starting each generation on a new page, even though I have unchecked the box in the page layout report options to start a new page after each generation. Creating an Ancestor Report, starting in the Books and Other screen works well - no page breaks between generations. Anyone have any suggestions on how to eliminate the page breaks in an Ancestor Report when using the Publishing Center? If you've missed something I can't see what it is. I think you should report this as a bug. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
Thank you Ron. That sounds like a winning idea. Jane On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Ron Ferguson rnldfe...@tiscali.co.ukwrote: Jane, You can try SearchSearch and Replace and set it so that you have to approve each change. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Follow me on twitter http://twitter.com/ronfergy - Original Message - From: Jane Sarles To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: 03 October 2009 19:01 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname Right now they are all in as Peter.Actually I would like all those after a certain date to be Peters. Must I go to the screen for each one and do and AKA? No way to do it as a group? Jane On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Anne Picketts waipuc...@gmail.com wrote: Why don't you use the a.k.a.? On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 5:30 AM, Jane Sarles sarlesinsi...@gmail.com wrote: I have a line that started out as having the surname Peter. Somewhere prior to today, it became Peters. Is there a way to have it as Peter up to a certain point and then convert it to Peters in later generations? Jane Sarles -- Anne PICKETTS Waipu, NZ NZSG #5331; KFHS #6151 Also at: a...@waipumuseum.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] a different question about the web pages
After I generate the web pages and upload them, and then I go back and add some people and make changes, will the people I already had in the file keep their same web page number (1074.htm for example). The FTP client I have is able to upload any new pages along with any pages that have changed. If Jane Doe is on age 1074.htm and I am no changes on her, will her page number remain the same, or, if I add new people is it possible that when Legacy generated the pages the next time she might end up as page 1156.htm? michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] What to cite?
Eric: I'd take a middle-of-the-road approach. Any records that support or dispute basic facts in your database should certainlly be cited individually. On the other hand, if your ancestors are simply listed as church members over 15-17 years, I would lump that into one source note. As to your question about recent ancestors, the obscure records with duplicate information may not add anything to your information on the individual, but they are a helpful record of where you've searched and there are a variety of ways that you might handle those, including use of the To Do list. _Evidence Explained_ recommends that when your research is finally turned into a narrative you trim source citations to just the most pertinent, but during the research phase you'd best keep track of everything. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Eric Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 1:59 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] What to cite? Hello everyone- I have a couple questions if you don't mind: 1)-What are your opinions on what information to cite? I have some individuals in my family who appear in many records; for example, one of my 6th great-grandfathers appears no less than 17 times in church records. Is it appropriate for me to create citations for all 17 times his name appeared in the records? 2)-For more recent ancestors, their names may appear dozens of times in various records. Do I cite only the most reliable (vital, church records) ones or cite other obscure ones as well that give the same information? This is something that I have been thinking about for a long time and just need some opinions on it. Thank you! Sincerely, Eric Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Transcribing census errors?
Mary, I agree with those who have advised you that accepted historical/genealogical procedure is to transcribe exactly what you see. You never know how it might come into play later. As an alternate to using sic in brackets, it is also appropriate to insert (also in brackets) what you believe the name was intended to be or should have been. Brackets are the universal symbol for I'm adding something here of an editorial nature, and it was not in the original. Janis Walker Gilmore On 10/3/09 3:34 AM, Mary Horner maryhor...@shaw.ca wrote: When the enumerator has made errors, most commonly in spelling the surname, or when you are getting the info online where the transcriber has made errors in interpreting the handwriting, do you copy into Legacy what is actually there or what should have been there - the correct spelling? My family has a unique name wherein anyone in Canada with the same spelling is related and the spelling has always been consistent within the family going back over 200 years, but the errors in census are amazing. I would never have found the family had they not lived on the same homestead for 5 generations. When I finally found a census where the name was correct, the enumerator was my great-grandfather! Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] What to cite?
Eric, Are they the records of the same church? I would, personally, want all of the references in my timeline. If they are all from the same source, I¹m sure you are aware that you can create a master source, and enter details regarding page, date, event, individual on the detail screen. Janis On 10/3/09 4:58 AM, Eric sigmentenb...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone- I have a couple questions if you don't mind: 1)-What are your opinions on what information to cite? I have some individuals in my family who appear in many records; for example, one of my 6th great-grandfathers appears no less than 17 times in church records. Is it appropriate for me to create citations for all 17 times his name appeared in the records? 2)-For more recent ancestors, their names may appear dozens of times in various records. Do I cite only the most reliable (vital, church records) ones or cite other obscure ones as well that give the same information? This is something that I have been thinking about for a long time and just need some opinions on it. Thank you! Sincerely, Eric Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Publishing Center - Ancestor Report
Judy, It works OK for me. On the Ancestry Report screen you will see a botton on the bottom right called Reset, click that and the set you settings as you wish and see if that cures the problem. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ - Original Message - From: Judy To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: 03 October 2009 13:58 Subject: [LegacyUG] Publishing Center - Ancestor Report I'm pretty sure I've missed something, but can't figure out what. I have multiple chapters in a book - the descendant reports look fine, with sources as endnotes after each chapter. But the Ancestor reports continue to break after each generation - starting each generation on a new page, even though I have unchecked the box in the page layout report options to start a new page after each generation. Creating an Ancestor Report, starting in the Books and Other screen works well - no page breaks between generations. Anyone have any suggestions on how to eliminate the page breaks in an Ancestor Report when using the Publishing Center? Judy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
If you want the alternate name(s) to appear in reports, be sure to check the box Alternate given and surnames usually found at Report Options Include. CE From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Jane Sarles Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 11:04 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname Do both surnames appear in reports? Jane Sarles On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Ron Ferguson rnldfe...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Sorry, Jane, but I do not understand your problem here. I have the same situation with a family called Heyes up to the late 19c and Hayes thereafter. I entered the surname as Heyes until it changed and then entered Hayes. This did mean that sometimes a child had a different name from the parent, and if both were used by the same person then I used the AKAs. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Follow me on twitter http://twitter.com/ronfergy - Original Message - From: Jane Sarles To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: 03 October 2009 17:30 Subject: [LegacyUG] Changing surname I have a line that started out as having the surname Peter. Somewhere prior to today, it became Peters. Is there a way to have it as Peter up to a certain point and then convert it to Peters in later generations? Jane Sarles Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.14.3/2409 - Release Date: 10/03/09 06:20:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Source Template Surprise
Confessions of a sinner . . . I've been an advocate of a rather cavalier approach to use of Legacy's source templates, primarily by putting data in any field you wish (regardless of field name) as long as the resulting citation format is what you want. Now that's come back to bite me to a small degree, so here's fair warning to other disregarders of the system. When GEDCOMs are created in Legacy and uploaded to RootsWeb WorldConnect, those source template field names are included in the published citation with their GEDCOM tag. One thing I particularly dislike is that the informal Source List Name is included in the citation unless you *exclude* the ABBREV tag when creating the GEDCOM. This could give a fairly startling effect if you use an informal name like Grandpa's fuzzy recollections thinking that it would be easy to remember and wouldn't print anywhere. I'd expect that the same would apply to uploads at other online sites. Fortunately I haven't gone overboard, but a review and re-think is definitely in order. Kirsten Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] a different question about the web pages
Michele Lewis wrote: After I generate the web pages and upload them, and then I go back and add some people and make changes, will the people I already had in the file keep their same web page number (1074.htm for example). The FTP client I have is able to upload any new pages along with any pages that have changed. If Jane Doe is on age 1074.htm and I am no changes on her, will her page number remain the same, or, if I add new people is it possible that when Legacy generated the pages the next time she might end up as page 1156.htm? michele Michele, Thank goodness, at last a post in plain text! Yes they do keep the same number, provided that you never opt to change them. To be doubly sure I uncheck the Reuse Abandoned RINs in OptionsCustomiseData Defaults. I know that this will not cause a change in the RINs ie. it only comes into play when new data is added, but I found that I could delete a name and on entering a new one it would take the place of the one which I had deleted. In itself that is not a problem, but it certainly becomes one when using other software to look for changes in files. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
I have a much more standardized approach to the names. I would approach it very simplistically I record EXACTLY what is on the documents. If the birth document stated the surname is PETER, then I would record it as that. If a later document for the same person shows PETERS, then I would create the AKA for that entry. This way all of your names can be sourced and they would appear correctly in your file. In my case, I have family whose surname was Sansone Zodia, but through the years you will find within each generation various spellings or combinations of that name.Sansone, Zodia, Zoida, Zodia Sansone So if I record the name EXACTLY like I find it on the earliest document (birth or baptismal if no birth document is available), then I make the notations as they appear on their marriage documents, death documents etc. Jenny M Benson wrote: Jane Sarles wrote I have a line that started out as having the surname Peter. Somewhere prior to today, it became Peters. Is there a way to have it as Peter up to a certain point and then convert it to Peters in later generations? Are you saying that at a certain point all members of the family changed the spelling of their name or that Father Peters was always known as Peters, as were his ancestors, but his son changed the name to Peter and his descendents inherited that spelling? I think you probably mean the later, in which case you need to decide whether the person who changed the name mainly used Peter or Peters. Whichever was principally used, I would enter that as the main Surname and the other as AKA. There is no reason why you cannot have a Father surnamed Peters with one child, or several children, surnamed Peter. (Legacy suggests a child's surname the same as the father's but you just overtype this if you wish.) It's a bit more complicated if several generations all changed their spelling during their lives, but again you'd have to decide which was main name and which was AKA. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
Jane, They appear as you have them in your database. If you wish the AKAs to appear then set you report parameters accordingly. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ - Original Message - From: Jane Sarles To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: 03 October 2009 19:03 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname Do both surnames appear in reports? Jane Sarles On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Ron Ferguson rnldfe...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Sorry, Jane, but I do not understand your problem here. I have the same situation with a family called Heyes up to the late 19c and Hayes thereafter. I entered the surname as Heyes until it changed and then entered Hayes. This did mean that sometimes a child had a different name from the parent, and if both were used by the same person then I used the AKAs. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Follow me on twitter http://twitter.com/ronfergy - Original Message - From: Jane Sarles To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: 03 October 2009 17:30 Subject: [LegacyUG] Changing surname I have a line that started out as having the surname Peter. Somewhere prior to today, it became Peters. Is there a way to have it as Peter up to a certain point and then convert it to Peters in later generations? Jane Sarles Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Transcribing census errors?
Jenny M Benson wrote: Mary Horner wrote When the enumerator has made errors, most commonly in spelling the surname, or when you are getting the info online where the transcriber has made errors in interpreting the handwriting, do you copy into Legacy what is actually there or what should have been there - the correct spelling? My family has a unique name wherein anyone in Canada with the same spelling is related and the spelling has always been consistent within the family going back over 200 years, but the errors in census are amazing. I would never have found the family had they not lived on the same homestead for 5 generations. When I finally found a census where the name was correct, the enumerator was my great-grandfather! The rule is that you always enter exactly what you see, not what you think it ought to be. I know in this case it is 99.999% certain that what you are seeing is wrong (don't forget that until quite recently spelling was very fluid and people weren't too bothered about it) but even so you should enter it in Legacy as it is written. You can always add a note about the variation in spelling and why you believe this Joe Blogs to be the same person as the Joe Bloggs of your records if you think it is necessary. I would add a little clarification to your first statement. The so-called rule that you quote, is what transcribers are told to do. This accounts for a lot of what people term as errors in various indexes and transcriptions. Simply, they're not errors. Just the best interpretation of what was written. Your personal knowledge is what turns these interpretations into errors. I think common sense (an oxymoron if ever there was one) should be the main guide. If you're copying a transcription, then copy it exactly as you find it. Add your own interpretive notes and, if at all possible, get hold of a copy of the original and make your own transcription from it. Remember, in Legacy you've always got that poorly-designed Surety value to rate the level of personal confidence you have in any piece of data. One transcription can always be rated higher than another. -- Best regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] a different question about the web pages
Michele Lewis wrote: After I generate the web pages and upload them, and then I go back and add some people and make changes, will the people I already had in the file keep their same web page number (1074.htm for example). The FTP client I have is able to upload any new pages along with any pages that have changed. If Jane Doe is on age 1074.htm and I am no changes on her, will her page number remain the same, or, if I add new people is it possible that when Legacy generated the pages the next time she might end up as page 1156.htm? If you look at these page numbers, aren't they the same as the RIN for each person? So long as you don't renumber RINs then you'll have no problems. Time for Ron to chime in :-) -- Best regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] REF file within zipped Legacy Backup
Greetings, Does anyone on this list know what the REL file represents within Legacy?I recently noticed that the size of my total backup file had dropped from where it was a couple of weeks ago. When doing a comparison of the files that make up my current backup to those in the earlier one I noted that the REL file which was part of the zipped backup two weeks ago was no longer included in the current zipped backup. Is this serious? Thanks in advance. Ken in Ottawa Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Speaking of the surity level....
Speaking of the surety level... do y'all use this? I never have. I know in my head which sources are credible and which ones are more dubious. I appears these levels are only for the benefit of the compiler. When you print reports and such these surety levels don't print for others to see. michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Transcribing census errors?
Personally, I do not like anything in a name field other than a quoted name in the given name field. If sic or anything else in brackets or otherwise is added to the surname field then (a) it will not show where you wish in an index and (b) it will not be included in a surname search. In my view AKAs and Notes should be used in order to maintain the integrity of the name fields. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Janis L Gilmore wrote: Mary, I agree with those who have advised you that accepted historical/genealogical procedure is to transcribe exactly what you see. You never know how it might come into play later. As an alternate to using sic in brackets, it is also appropriate to insert (also in brackets) what you believe the name was intended to be or should have been. Brackets are the universal symbol for I'm adding something here of an editorial nature, and it was not in the original. Janis Walker Gilmore On 10/3/09 3:34 AM, Mary Horner maryhor...@shaw.ca wrote: When the enumerator has made errors, most commonly in spelling the surname, or when you are getting the info online where the transcriber has made errors in interpreting the handwriting, do you copy into Legacy what is actually there or what should have been there - the correct spelling? My family has a unique name wherein anyone in Canada with the same spelling is related and the spelling has always been consistent within the family going back over 200 years, but the errors in census are amazing. I would never have found the family had they not lived on the same homestead for 5 generations. When I finally found a census where the name was correct, the enumerator was my great-grandfather! Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Source Template Surprise
Kirsten Bowman wrote: Confessions of a sinner . . . I've been an advocate of a rather cavalier approach to use of Legacy's source templates, primarily by putting data in any field you wish (regardless of field name) as long as the resulting citation format is what you want. Now that's come back to bite me to a small degree, so here's fair warning to other disregarders of the system. When GEDCOMs are created in Legacy and uploaded to RootsWeb WorldConnect, those source template field names are included in the published citation with their GEDCOM tag. One thing I particularly dislike is that the informal Source List Name is included in the citation unless you *exclude* the ABBREV tag when creating the GEDCOM. This could give a fairly startling effect if you use an informal name like Grandpa's fuzzy recollections thinking that it would be easy to remember and wouldn't print anywhere. I'd expect that the same would apply to uploads at other online sites. Fortunately I haven't gone overboard, but a review and re-think is definitely in order. Kirsten I'm not at all sure about the need for a rethink, Kirsten. I think Grandpa's fuzzy recollections will look pretty good and a lot less boring than some of the stuff. And as a description it's possibly much more accurate than some of the other assertions which I have seen. Yup, all in all, I approve :-) _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Publishing Center - Ancestor Report
Thanks Ron. That reset button, done through either the individual Ancestor Report or the Ancestor Report contained within the book in the Publishing Center, resets the report to the default - start each generation on a new page. The button will reset the report to start each generation on a new page, but UNCHECKING the selection, **within the Publishing Center**, does nothing. Outside of the Publishing Center, my Ancestor Reports looks good - one generation follows another without a page break. I appreciate your thoughts. Judy - Original Message - From: Ron Ferguson rnldfe...@tiscali.co.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Publishing Center - Ancestor Report Judy, It works OK for me. On the Ancestry Report screen you will see a botton on the bottom right called Reset, click that and the set you settings as you wish and see if that cures the problem. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ - Original Message - From: Judy To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: 03 October 2009 13:58 Subject: [LegacyUG] Publishing Center - Ancestor Report I'm pretty sure I've missed something, but can't figure out what. I have multiple chapters in a book - the descendant reports look fine, with sources as endnotes after each chapter. But the Ancestor reports continue to break after each generation - starting each generation on a new page, even though I have unchecked the box in the page layout report options to start a new page after each generation. Creating an Ancestor Report, starting in the Books and Other screen works well - no page breaks between generations. Anyone have any suggestions on how to eliminate the page breaks in an Ancestor Report when using the Publishing Center? Judy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] a different question about the web pages
Thank you, Ron! I just unchecked the box. This will GREATLY decrese my upload time! michele - Original Message - From: Ron Ferguson rnldfe...@tiscali.co.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] a different question about the web pages Michele Lewis wrote: After I generate the web pages and upload them, and then I go back and add some people and make changes, will the people I already had in the file keep their same web page number (1074.htm for example). The FTP client I have is able to upload any new pages along with any pages that have changed. If Jane Doe is on age 1074.htm and I am no changes on her, will her page number remain the same, or, if I add new people is it possible that when Legacy generated the pages the next time she might end up as page 1156.htm? michele Michele, Thank goodness, at last a post in plain text! Yes they do keep the same number, provided that you never opt to change them. To be doubly sure I uncheck the Reuse Abandoned RINs in OptionsCustomiseData Defaults. I know that this will not cause a change in the RINs ie. it only comes into play when new data is added, but I found that I could delete a name and on entering a new one it would take the place of the one which I had deleted. In itself that is not a problem, but it certainly becomes one when using other software to look for changes in files. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.14.3/2412 - Release Date: 10/03/09 18:34:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Transcribing census errors?
Whenever I find any errors, I transcribe exactly whate was written, the put [ ] around the correct (IMHO) information. That is the only thing I use them for, so whenever I see [ ] I know what they mean. Rich in LA CA - Original Message From: Mary Horner maryhor...@shaw.ca To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2009 12:34:46 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] Transcribing census errors? When the enumerator has made errors, most commonly in spelling the surname, or when you are getting the info online where the transcriber has made errors in interpreting the handwriting, do you copy into Legacy what is actually there or what should have been there - the correct spelling? My family has a unique name wherein anyone in Canada with the same spelling is related and the spelling has always been consistent within the family going back over 200 years, but the errors in census are amazing. I would never have found the family had they not lived on the same homestead for 5 generations. When I finally found a census where the name was correct, the enumerator was my great-grandfather! Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
But I would only use the alternative name as an AKA if there is evidence that an individual actually used both variations, or was recorded in different documents with both variations. My late first husband's grandmother was always Georgina DANIELS (until her marriage), but other branches of the family use the name DANIEL. As she never used DANIEL and I have never seen her documented as DANIEL I do not use DANIEL as an AKA for her. Cheers Jan _ From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Jane Sarles Sent: Sunday, 4 October 2009 5:02 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname Right now they are all in as Peter.Actually I would like all those after a certain date to be Peters. Must I go to the screen for each one and do and AKA? No way to do it as a group? Jane Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
Laura Johnson wrote I have a much more standardized approach to the names. I would approach it very simplistically I record EXACTLY what is on the documents. If the birth document stated the surname is PETER, then I would record it as that. If a later document for the same person shows PETERS, then I would create the AKA for that entry. I also record exactly what is written on every Source document, but when you create an Individual in Legacy you have to choose one primary Surname and all other Surnames are recorded as AKAs. If I had only one Source for the Surname at Birth and it happened to differ from any other spelling used later in life, I would not record the main Surname as that on the Birth Source document, but would use the one most commonly found. My Great Grandfather's Forename was Horace, his name appears as such on nearly all documentation - except his Birth Certificate on which he is recorded as Orace. My Source Citation shows that he was Orace on his BC, but in my family file his Forename is Horace. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] REF file within zipped Legacy Backup
On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:27:28 -0400, Ken genfol...@rogers.com wrote: Does anyone on this list know what the REL file represents within Legacy?I recently noticed that the size of my total backup file had dropped from where it was a couple of weeks ago. When doing a comparison of the files that make up my current backup to those in the earlier one I noted that the REL file which was part of the zipped backup two weeks ago was no longer included in the current zipped backup. Is this serious? I believe the .rel file is where Legacy keeps RELATIONSHIPs The .rel file was introduced with V7. Have you recently cleared your relationships? Maybe this would cause Legacy to delete the file. In either case, I don't think it is anything to worry about. If you set the relationships it will probably reappear. -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] REF file within zipped Legacy Backup
Relationships. On the Backup page, under Data Files, you can specify what you want backed up. One of those choices is Relationships. CE -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Ken Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 3:27 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] REF file within zipped Legacy Backup Greetings, Does anyone on this list know what the REL file represents within Legacy? I recently noticed that the size of my total backup file had dropped from where it was a couple of weeks ago. When doing a comparison of the files that make up my current backup to those in the earlier one I noted that the REL file which was part of the zipped backup two weeks ago was no longer included in the current zipped backup. Is this serious? Thanks in advance. Ken in Ottawa Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.14.3/2409 - Release Date: 10/03/09 06:20:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Census information
I record census information as part of residency then I can do a chronology showing residence to compare people I think may be related. I then use the source writer for the census information and supplement it in the notes with my comments, such as children, etc. that clarify the numbers a little better. Problem is, the source writer asks for the state and county in the master source rather than in the detail. That means that I have multiple sources for the same area because different states and counties are involved. I want a single source for 1790, 1800, etc. rather than 1790-New Hampshire-Grafton,1790-New Hampshire-etc... Then the detail would include the local information. I have made a suggestion to Legacy to make the change as using the override to redo the citations is cumbersome, but I would like to get some feedback on my idea, methods, and other possibilities. Jim Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
My grandfather's name was Irvin, but he is often referred to as Irving. He never used that name, yet if someone is searching for Irving they will not find him unless I add Irving as an AKA. So I would suggest that the AKA should be used, even if the person never used the name. I have a note on my grandfather's record that his name is Irvin and Irving is a disproven name so that perhaps someone will find my record and correct theirs accordingly. Jim On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Jan Roberts poo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: But I would only use the alternative name as an AKA if there is evidence that an individual actually used both variations, or was recorded in different documents with both variations. My late first husband’s grandmother was always Georgina DANIELS (until her marriage), but other branches of the family use the name DANIEL. As she never used DANIEL and I have never seen her documented as DANIEL I do not use DANIEL as an AKA for her. Cheers Jan From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Jane Sarles Sent: Sunday, 4 October 2009 5:02 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname Right now they are all in as Peter. Actually I would like all those after a certain date to be Peters. Must I go to the screen for each one and do and AKA? No way to do it as a group? Jane Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] What to cite?
Eric wrote 1)-What are your opinions on what information to cite? I have some individuals in my family who appear in many records; for example, one of my 6th great-grandfathers appears no less than 17 times in church records. Is it appropriate for me to create citations for all 17 times his name appeared in the records? 2)-For more recent ancestors, their names may appear dozens of times in various records. Do I cite only the most reliable (vital, church records) ones or cite other obscure ones as well that give the same information? This is something that I have been thinking about for a long time and just need some opinions on it. Presumably most of the different appearances in the various records are for different Events and if you are recording those Events (and why would you not?) you will want to include Source Citations. Where you do have several different Sources for the same event you may cite all of them to show how valid the information is or you might consider it not necessary to cite more than 2 or 3 Sources for the same Event if they are all giving exactly the same information. If they are giving different information you should cite them all to show there is some discrepancy but you can give more weight to those you believe to be more reliable. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
And I disagreeI believe you should always use the FIRST logical document - birth or baptism - as that is the name they were given. All others are changes to the name they were given. PS - I am a professional genealogist. Jenny M Benson wrote: Laura Johnson wrote I have a much more standardized approach to the names. I would approach it very simplistically I record EXACTLY what is on the documents. If the birth document stated the surname is PETER, then I would record it as that. If a later document for the same person shows PETERS, then I would create the AKA for that entry. I also record exactly what is written on every Source document, but when you create an Individual in Legacy you have to choose one primary Surname and all other Surnames are recorded as AKAs. If I had only one Source for the Surname at Birth and it happened to differ from any other spelling used later in life, I would not record the main Surname as that on the Birth Source document, but would use the one most commonly found. My Great Grandfather's Forename was Horace, his name appears as such on nearly all documentation - except his Birth Certificate on which he is recorded as Orace. My Source Citation shows that he was Orace on his BC, but in my family file his Forename is Horace. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
Jan, But I did not suggest that you should do anything different, I simply gave my view and why I have it. I would not have anything in brackets in a surname field for the reason I gave. In a previous post I mentioned that I have Hayes and Hayes since I have always known the family I use Hayes, but only for those who were recorded with this version in their birth details, or in the majority of instances where it is recorded, otherwise I use Heyes. Since they couldn't sign their names in the early 19c they wouldn't know what the spelling should be! Where both have been used I would use AKAs. In your case I would not use Daniel as an AKA either, I would put it in a note to say that the family name was Daniels. This is only *my* way of working, and I have not changed it :-). Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Follow me on twitter http://twitter.com/ronfergy - Original Message - From: Jan Roberts To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: 04 October 2009 00:05 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Changing surname But I would only use the alternative name as an AKA if there is evidence that an individual actually used both variations, or was recorded in different documents with both variations. My late first husband's grandmother was always Georgina DANIELS (until her marriage), but other branches of the family use the name DANIEL. As she never used DANIEL and I have never seen her documented as DANIEL I do not use DANIEL as an AKA for her. Cheers Jan From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Jane Sarles Sent: Sunday, 4 October 2009 5:02 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname Right now they are all in as Peter.Actually I would like all those after a certain date to be Peters. Must I go to the screen for each one and do and AKA? No way to do it as a group? Jane Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Source Template Surprise
Thanks for that, Ron. At least now I'm re-checking my sources with a grin. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Ron Ferguson Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 3:37 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Template Surprise Kirsten Bowman wrote: Confessions of a sinner . . . I've been an advocate of a rather cavalier approach to use of Legacy's source templates, primarily by putting data in any field you wish (regardless of field name) as long as the resulting citation format is what you want. Now that's come back to bite me to a small degree, so here's fair warning to other disregarders of the system. When GEDCOMs are created in Legacy and uploaded to RootsWeb WorldConnect, those source template field names are included in the published citation with their GEDCOM tag. One thing I particularly dislike is that the informal Source List Name is included in the citation unless you *exclude* the ABBREV tag when creating the GEDCOM. This could give a fairly startling effect if you use an informal name like Grandpa's fuzzy recollections thinking that it would be easy to remember and wouldn't print anywhere. I'd expect that the same would apply to uploads at other online sites. Fortunately I haven't gone overboard, but a review and re-think is definitely in order. Kirsten I'm not at all sure about the need for a rethink, Kirsten. I think Grandpa's fuzzy recollections will look pretty good and a lot less boring than some of the stuff. And as a description it's possibly much more accurate than some of the other assertions which I have seen. Yup, all in all, I approve :-) _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Publishing Center - Ancestor Report
Judy, Apologies for an incorrect reply in my previous post. I was certain that I tested my report in the Publishing Centre, but obviously not, as the generations *are* starting on a new page even when the start each generation on a new page is unchecked. You are correct in saying that the Reset button does not correct this. I must be getting tired! Yes, you need to report this as a bug, as Jenny (I think) suggested - (Legacy Home Tab, bottom right) Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Judy wrote: Thanks Ron. That reset button, done through either the individual Ancestor Report or the Ancestor Report contained within the book in the Publishing Center, resets the report to the default - start each generation on a new page. The button will reset the report to start each generation on a new page, but UNCHECKING the selection, **within the Publishing Center**, does nothing. Outside of the Publishing Center, my Ancestor Reports looks good - one generation follows another without a page break. I appreciate your thoughts. Judy - Original Message - From: Ron Ferguson rnldfe...@tiscali.co.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Publishing Center - Ancestor Report Judy, It works OK for me. On the Ancestry Report screen you will see a botton on the bottom right called Reset, click that and the set you settings as you wish and see if that cures the problem. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ - Original Message - From: Judy To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: 03 October 2009 13:58 Subject: [LegacyUG] Publishing Center - Ancestor Report I'm pretty sure I've missed something, but can't figure out what. I have multiple chapters in a book - the descendant reports look fine, with sources as endnotes after each chapter. But the Ancestor reports continue to break after each generation - starting each generation on a new page, even though I have unchecked the box in the page layout report options to start a new page after each generation. Creating an Ancestor Report, starting in the Books and Other screen works well - no page breaks between generations. Anyone have any suggestions on how to eliminate the page breaks in an Ancestor Report when using the Publishing Center? Judy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Census information
Jim: That's pretty extreme lumping, but it should be easy to do. (And just today I wrote that I'm reforming from this!) Anyway, why can't you just create a Master Source called 1790 US Census and leave out the other location details. Then on the Source Detail screen on the Source Clipboard, you put the state, county, etc. in the ID of Person field. That seems to create a pretty decent looking citation. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Jim Walton Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 4:41 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Census information I record census information as part of residency then I can do a chronology showing residence to compare people I think may be related. I then use the source writer for the census information and supplement it in the notes with my comments, such as children, etc. that clarify the numbers a little better. Problem is, the source writer asks for the state and county in the master source rather than in the detail. That means that I have multiple sources for the same area because different states and counties are involved. I want a single source for 1790, 1800, etc. rather than 1790-New Hampshire-Grafton,1790-New Hampshire-etc... Then the detail would include the local information. I have made a suggestion to Legacy to make the change as using the override to redo the citations is cumbersome, but I would like to get some feedback on my idea, methods, and other possibilities. Jim Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
And here's another slant: After recording about a thousand Acadian names like Françoise, Étienne, and Jean-Baptiste, I find that a majority of people don't use diacriticals either in their databases or in searches, so my work is largely invisible online. Since the main use for the data is to post at RootsWeb and I want it to be found, I've added the version sans diacriticals as Alternate Names. They're not true aka's, and the alternates might look very strange in some narrative reports (which I never produce anyway), but it does emphasize the importance of knowing where you're going early on and deciding whether that field is strictly for bonafide aka's or catch-all alternate spellings. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Jim Walton Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 4:56 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname My grandfather's name was Irvin, but he is often referred to as Irving. He never used that name, yet if someone is searching for Irving they will not find him unless I add Irving as an AKA. So I would suggest that the AKA should be used, even if the person never used the name. I have a note on my grandfather's record that his name is Irvin and Irving is a disproven name so that perhaps someone will find my record and correct theirs accordingly. Jim On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Jan Roberts poo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: But I would only use the alternative name as an AKA if there is evidence that an individual actually used both variations, or was recorded in different documents with both variations. My late first husband’s grandmother was always Georgina DANIELS (until her marriage), but other branches of the family use the name DANIEL. As she never used DANIEL and I have never seen her documented as DANIEL I do not use DANIEL as an AKA for her. Cheers Jan Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Speaking of the surity level....
I use them to help identify level of confidence in the information. The surety level does export on GEDCOMs too and show up in my online tree using TNG. Tom On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Michele Lewis cranberryf...@charter.netwrote: Speaking of the surety level... do y'all use this? I never have. I know in my head which sources are credible and which ones are more dubious. I appears these levels are only for the benefit of the compiler. When you print reports and such these surety levels don't print for others to see. michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Changing surname
But Laura, how do you account for pastors who couldn't spell or who latinized infants' names? Should a baptismal record for Fredrikus Merkel take precedence over a will signed in the man's own hand as Frederick Markle--along with all the land and military records listing the latter? With due respect, that seems to border on the pedantic. As long as the baptismal version is recorded in the source notes, wouldn't it be sensible to show the primary name as the one actually used by the individual? Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Laura Johnson Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 6:28 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Changing surname And I disagreeI believe you should always use the FIRST logical document - birth or baptism - as that is the name they were given. All others are changes to the name they were given. PS - I am a professional genealogist. Jenny M Benson wrote: Laura Johnson wrote I have a much more standardized approach to the names. I would approach it very simplistically I record EXACTLY what is on the documents. If the birth document stated the surname is PETER, then I would record it as that. If a later document for the same person shows PETERS, then I would create the AKA for that entry. I also record exactly what is written on every Source document, but when you create an Individual in Legacy you have to choose one primary Surname and all other Surnames are recorded as AKAs. If I had only one Source for the Surname at Birth and it happened to differ from any other spelling used later in life, I would not record the main Surname as that on the Birth Source document, but would use the one most commonly found. My Great Grandfather's Forename was Horace, his name appears as such on nearly all documentation - except his Birth Certificate on which he is recorded as Orace. My Source Citation shows that he was Orace on his BC, but in my family file his Forename is Horace. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Speaking of the surity level....
Michele: Surety level is pretty subjective and I don't use it. Seems to me that readers should be able to judge surety from reading your source notes. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Michele Lewis Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 3:18 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Speaking of the surity level Speaking of the surety level... do y'all use this? I never have. I know in my head which sources are credible and which ones are more dubious. I appears these levels are only for the benefit of the compiler. When you print reports and such these surety levels don't print for others to see. michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] What to cite?
Eric, I would do exactly as Ron says except that if you find something that contradicts the other info, I would note it in the Research Notes as to why it is wrong so that you can justify why you didn't trust that source. Also note how many times you could have referenced it corroborating the info that you trusted. You can put some of those sources in the Research Notes, especially the sources that you didn't cite which were wrong. Ellen Kramer Researching and loving Dorman, Kramer, Mirarchi, Procopio, Renninger and Staudt-Stoudt-Stout families On Oct 3, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Ron Ferguson wrote: Not at all Eric, at least I don't. At the most I source the vital records twice; for a name it may be any two of eg, a birth index, birth certificate, marriage index, marriage certificate, census. Usually other times when one finds a name it is in conjunction with an Event, such as Occupation, Emigration etc. in which case I use the source to Source the Event and not the name. I apply the same way of working to all records. I do prioritise according to reliability, and also use my assessment of the Surety Level. Ron Ferguson _ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census information
Thanks, Kirsten. It looks pretty good, so in the meantime I'll do it that way. You said it's extreme, but consider that a census is a document with 50 volumes, each volume has hundreds of chapters. Even the 1790 census would have at least 13 sources plus the counties. Even narrowing it down to states would produce over 50, considering territories such a Puerto Rico and Guam. But maybe I'm being too detailed. Anyway, your suggestion will work as a work-around. Thanks again. Jim On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Kirsten Bowman vik...@rvi.net wrote: Jim: That's pretty extreme lumping, but it should be easy to do. (And just today I wrote that I'm reforming from this!) Anyway, why can't you just create a Master Source called 1790 US Census and leave out the other location details. Then on the Source Detail screen on the Source Clipboard, you put the state, county, etc. in the ID of Person field. That seems to create a pretty decent looking citation. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Jim Walton Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 4:41 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Census information I record census information as part of residency then I can do a chronology showing residence to compare people I think may be related. I then use the source writer for the census information and supplement it in the notes with my comments, such as children, etc. that clarify the numbers a little better. Problem is, the source writer asks for the state and county in the master source rather than in the detail. That means that I have multiple sources for the same area because different states and counties are involved. I want a single source for 1790, 1800, etc. rather than 1790-New Hampshire-Grafton,1790-New Hampshire-etc... Then the detail would include the local information. I have made a suggestion to Legacy to make the change as using the override to redo the citations is cumbersome, but I would like to get some feedback on my idea, methods, and other possibilities. Jim Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
