Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Gary Templeman]

I hope someone will come up with an easy fix, but if not then the best 
option (before any more data entry or changes) is to restore from the most 
recent backup.


Gary Templeman

- Original Message - 
From: "Carol Costa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 1:18 PM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Sources


Something weird has happened when I try to cite a source.  As I was 
inputing

a Master Source for a birth index this morning, I think I indadvertently
touched the Combine Highlighted Source with Another in the List.  (don't 
ask

me how that happened) Now this person's source information for the birth
index appears on the Assigned sources output tab area in several of other
family member's screens when I point to not only the Master Source birth
index I entered,  but also other Master Sources also.   When I try to edit
source, the actual source edit area is correct, and doesn't include the
birth index of my initial input.Anyone know how to fix this?
IE:...now on Master Source List, pointing to Texas Birth Index, it says
after clicking the output tab, the name, birth date, vol number, cert # of
my initial family member input this morning (who is from Kentucky and was
never in Texas)  It also has the correct information re: Texas source 
also.

Thank you.





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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Ann Parsons]

Carol,
I just had about the same experience. I input using SourceWriter a letter 
and used this for Event: Letter. When I looked at the person's assigned 
sources it had a marriage license. I clicked on this & it became the letter 
source.
Ann
New Mexico, USA


- Original Message - 
From: "Carol Costa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 2:18 PM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Sources


> Something weird has happened when I try to cite a source.  As I was 
> inputing
> a Master Source for a birth index this morning, I think I indadvertently
> touched the Combine Highlighted Source with Another in the List.  (don't 
> ask
> me how that happened) Now this person's source information for the birth
> index appears on the Assigned sources output tab area in several of other
> family member's screens when I point to not only the Master Source birth
> index I entered,  but also other Master Sources also.   When I try to edit
> source, the actual source edit area is correct, and doesn't include the
> birth index of my initial input.Anyone know how to fix this?
> IE:...now on Master Source List, pointing to Texas Birth Index, it says
> after clicking the output tab, the name, birth date, vol number, cert # of
> my initial family member input this morning (who is from Kentucky and was
> never in Texas)  It also has the correct information re: Texas source 
> also.
> Thank you.
>
>
>
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Carol Costa]

Thank you for the suggestion.  Before I did anything I performed "if all
else fails, reboot your computer" maneuver.  That unconfused Legacy (and me)
and it put my sources back where they should be. 
 
---Original Message-
From: Gary Templeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 8:37 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

I hope someone will come up with an easy fix, but if not then the best 
option (before any more data entry or changes) is to restore from the most 
recent backup.

Gary Templeman

- Original Message - 
From: "Carol Costa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 1:18 PM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Sources


> Something weird has happened when I try to cite a source.  As I was 
> inputing
> a Master Source for a birth index this morning, I think I indadvertently
> touched the Combine Highlighted Source with Another in the List.  (don't 
> ask
> me how that happened) Now this person's source information for the birth
> index appears on the Assigned sources output tab area in several of other
> family member's screens when I point to not only the Master Source birth
> index I entered,  but also other Master Sources also.   When I try to edit
> source, the actual source edit area is correct, and doesn't include the
> birth index of my initial input.Anyone know how to fix this?
> IE:...now on Master Source List, pointing to Texas Birth Index, it says
> after clicking the output tab, the name, birth date, vol number, cert # of
> my initial family member input this morning (who is from Kentucky and was
> never in Texas)  It also has the correct information re: Texas source 
> also.
> Thank you.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Cathy]

The quickest way to recover from something like this is to restore your backup.
If you don't have one from when you started doing this sourcing, then 
this is a reminder to make more frequent backups, especially when 
trying new features.


The slower way if you don't have a backup is to show list for the 
affected Source(s) and slowly work through the people one by one 
reconstructing and re-entering the other source and deleting this mixed up one.


Cathy

At 04:18 AM 8/06/2008, you wrote:
Something weird has happened when I try to cite a source.  As I was 
inputing a Master Source for a birth index this morning, I think I 
indadvertently touched the Combine Highlighted Source with Another 
in the List.  (don't ask me how that happened) Now this person's 
source information for the birth index appears on the Assigned 
sources output tab area in several of other family member's screens 
when I point to not only the Master Source birth index I 
entered,  but also other Master Sources also.   When I try to edit 
source, the actual source edit area is correct, and doesn't include 
the birth index of my initial input.Anyone know how to fix 
this?IE:...now on Master Source List, pointing to Texas Birth 
Index, it says after clicking the output tab, the name, birth date, 
vol number, cert # of my initial family member input this morning 
(who is from Kentucky and was never in Texas)  It also has the 
correct information re: Texas source also.  Thank you.





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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources

[ronald ferguson]

'Fraid not Michael, FTM is made by the same company as Ancestry.



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> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:34:15 -0500
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> here. But I would like to know if there is a way to import sources from
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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Kirsten Bowman]

Mike:

This borders on the classic "lumper or splitter" issue (see list archives),
and there is no one *right* way.  Your master source structure is the key.
Some users create separate master sources for each census year, others break
them down by state or province, many break them down by county.  Then, using
the appropriate master source, you do list the individual(s) in the detail.
Personally, I list all family members together in a single citation.  If
there are two related families on a single page, I list both in a single
citation to illustrate the proximity.  Doing a separate source citation for
each individual in a family would be a major chore and, I think, would
destroy the picture of the family structure.

Kirsten

-Original Message-
From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
Behalf Of Michael L. Thomas
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 8:40 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup
Subject: [LegacyUG] Sources


I would like to do things right.  My question deals with the census.  Do
I create a for each census and then just edit the source details for
each person, and how do you cite all the people on the same page like
the families?

Thanks








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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Janis L Gilmore]

Michael,

I have tried various things, but have found that my chosen method is to
break the census down by year, state and county. So my source list looks
like this (or could if I didn't have more sources for each state and
county):

Missouri, Howell - census 1910 (Ancestry)
Missouri, Howell - census 1920 (Ancestry)
Missouri, Howell - census 1930 (Ancestry)
Nebraska, Platte - census 1900 (Ancestry)

And so on. The details tab contains the p., township, dwelling and family
numbers, etc.

I transcribe the census data itself into a census event, because I like to
see them in the Chronology.

I make notes about other families in proximity on the Comments tab, but set
them not to print.

This works well for me. There are many different ways, however. You'll find
the right one or your work style.

Janis Walker Gilmore
 


On 5/22/09 11:39 AM, "Michael L. Thomas"  wrote:

> I would like to do things right.  My question deals with the census.  Do
> I create a for each census and then just edit the source details for
> each person, and how do you cite all the people on the same page like
> the families?
> 
> Thanks
> 
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Re: [LegacyUG] sources

[Michele Lewis]

Go to SEARCH

Then click on the MISSING SOURCES tab

check the top box that says EVERYTHING

hit the CREAT LIST at the bottom

If you want to tag everything on this list then at the bottom of this screen 
hit


OPTIONS

then ADVANCED TAGGING

Then chose which tag you want to use where it says
MAKE CHANGES ON TAG # 

Then hit EVERYONE IN SEARCH LIST


now everyone in your file that has no sources whatsoever are tagged and you 
can look at them one at a time


michele




- Original Message - 
From: "Elizabeth Cunningham" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 9:22 PM
Subject: [LegacyUG] sources



I discovered I have a fair number of people with no sources (from when I
entered them in FTM).  Does anybody have an easy way to identify these
people, without my looking at each one?

 Elizabeth C



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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Ron Ferguson]

Tom,

Am I understanding you correctly, you intend to publish every certificate 
either in a report or on a website? Have you considered how much space that 
would take up on either?


In any event it is a breach of crown copyright to publish any UK government 
certificate, and Her  Majesty will be somewhat less than happy if you do.


Ron Ferguson
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- Original Message - 
From: Tom Thorpe

To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: 14 October 2009 16:25
Subject: [LegacyUG] Sources


Good Morning All,

A Master Source question.  Because I produce and attatch a digital image of 
every source within Legacy, why would I need to cite any other Master Source 
other than the "Personal Collections" one I have created?


Example: from the NY State Archives, I obtained a copy of my ancestor's 
death certificare.  That image is now attached to my source listing as a 
multimedia image, for anyone to see.   Could I not just group it under a 
master source called "Personal Collections" and be done with it?  Why would 
I also need to list a Master Source as New York State Department of Health, 
repository New York State Archives, etc.,when anyone wanting to verify my 
work can look right at the attached copy of the original?


Thanks.






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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Wendy Howard]

Hi Tom,

> Because I produce and attatch a digital image
> of every source within Legacy, why would I
> need to cite any other Master Source other than
> the "Personal Collections" one I have created?

Because the purpose of sources is to tell others (or remind yourself) 
where you found that information.


It may help you to take a look at the entries under "Source" in the Help 
files in Legacy.


Kind Regards,
Wendy Howard
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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[RICHARD SCHULTHIES]

In my way of thinking, "Personal Collections" implies you attended the actual 
event, not found a document that proves it., But it is your choice how you wish 
to do things. A source (IMHO) should be a  'path'  for someone else to 
follow, for re-creating, in the future. I have recieved documents from 3 
different relatives, in what seems similar to your concepts.  
Rich in LA CA

- Original Message 
From: Ron Ferguson 
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:14:31 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

Tom,

Am I understanding you correctly, you intend to publish every certificate 
either in a report or on a website? Have you considered how much space that 
would take up on either?

In any event it is a breach of crown copyright to publish any UK government 
certificate, and Her  Majesty will be somewhat less than happy if you do.

Ron Ferguson
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- Original Message - From: Tom Thorpe
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: 14 October 2009 16:25
Subject: [LegacyUG] Sources


Good Morning All,

A Master Source question.  Because I produce and attatch a digital image of 
every source within Legacy, why would I need to cite any other Master Source 
other than the "Personal Collections" one I have created?

Example: from the NY State Archives, I obtained a copy of my ancestor's death 
certificare.  That image is now attached to my source listing as a multimedia 
image, for anyone to see.  Could I not just group it under a master source 
called "Personal Collections" and be done with it?  Why would I also need to 
list a Master Source as New York State Department of Health, repository New 
York State Archives, etc.,when anyone wanting to verify my work can look right 
at the attached copy of the original?

Thanks.






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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Janis L Gilmore]

Tom,

I understand the question. If you have the document, why cite it?

Answer. Even if you have the document, you might sometime need to know where
it came from. You may see genealogy as a hobby, and don¹t feel worried about
professional standards ­ but you might want to be aware that the work that
you are doing now, while it may be quite sound, cannot be considered lasting
if it is not properly sourced. Your citations protect your long hours of
work.

I suggest that you invest in a guide to genealogical source citations. The
most widely accepted authority is Evidence Explained by Elizabeth Shown
Mills.

Good luck to you.

Janis Walker Gilmore
http://www.JanisGilmore.com
Pawleys Island, SC, & Seattle, WA

On 10/14/09 11:25 AM, "Tom Thorpe"  wrote:

> Good Morning All,
>  
> A Master Source question.  Because I produce and attatch a digital image of
> every source within Legacy, why would I need to cite any other Master Source
> other than the "Personal Collections" one I have created?
>  
> Example: from the NY State Archives, I obtained a copy of my ancestor's death
> certificare.  That image is now attached to my source listing as a multimedia
> image, for anyone to see.   Could I not just group it under a master source
> called "Personal Collections" and be done with it?  Why would I also need to
> list a Master Source as New York State Department of Health, repository New
> York State Archives, etc.,when anyone wanting to verify my work can look right
> at the attached copy of the original?
>  
> Thanks.
>  
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>  
>  
> 
>  
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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Eliz Hanebury]

A simple request to the Crown allows publishing of Crown copyright
information (at least old information *G*)



Eliz

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Ron Ferguson  wrote:
> Tom,
>
> Am I understanding you correctly, you intend to publish every certificate
> either in a report or on a website? Have you considered how much space that
> would take up on either?
>
> In any event it is a breach of crown copyright to publish any UK government
> certificate, and Her  Majesty will be somewhat less than happy if you do.
>
> Ron Ferguson
> _
>
> New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website
> http://www.fergys.co.uk
> Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw
> http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/
> For The Fergusons of N.W. England
> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
> 
>
> - Original Message - From: Tom Thorpe
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Sent: 14 October 2009 16:25
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Sources
>
>
> Good Morning All,
>
> A Master Source question.  Because I produce and attatch a digital image of
> every source within Legacy, why would I need to cite any other Master Source
> other than the "Personal Collections" one I have created?
>
> Example: from the NY State Archives, I obtained a copy of my ancestor's
> death certificare.  That image is now attached to my source listing as a
> multimedia image, for anyone to see.   Could I not just group it under a
> master source called "Personal Collections" and be done with it?  Why would
> I also need to list a Master Source as New York State Department of Health,
> repository New York State Archives, etc.,when anyone wanting to verify my
> work can look right at the attached copy of the original?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Ron Ferguson]

Eliz,

That is very dependant on what and why. What definitely would not be allowed 
is the publication of documents from which they make money, except of odd 
examples or research and education purposes.


This includes censuses and certificates.

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Eliz Hanebury wrote:

A simple request to the Crown allows publishing of Crown copyright
information (at least old information *G*)



Eliz

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Ron Ferguson
 wrote:

Tom,

Am I understanding you correctly, you intend to publish every
certificate either in a report or on a website? Have you considered
how much space that would take up on either?

In any event it is a breach of crown copyright to publish any UK
government certificate, and Her Majesty will be somewhat less than
happy if you do.

Ron Ferguson
_

New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website
http://www.fergys.co.uk
Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw
http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/
For The Fergusons of N.W. England
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/


- Original Message - From: Tom Thorpe
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: 14 October 2009 16:25
Subject: [LegacyUG] Sources


Good Morning All,

A Master Source question. Because I produce and attatch a digital
image of every source within Legacy, why would I need to cite any
other Master Source other than the "Personal Collections" one I have
created?

Example: from the NY State Archives, I obtained a copy of my
ancestor's death certificare. That image is now attached to my
source listing as a multimedia image, for anyone to see. Could I not
just group it under a master source called "Personal Collections"
and be done with it? Why would I also need to list a Master Source
as New York State Department of Health, repository New York State
Archives, etc.,when anyone wanting to verify my work can look right
at the attached copy of the original?

Thanks.






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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Tom Thorpe]

Thank you, Janis, and everyone who took time to reply.  I very much appreciate 
your kind assistance.

Tom





From: Janis L Gilmore 
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Wed, October 14, 2009 5:42:12 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

Tom,

I understand the question. If you have the document, why cite it?

Answer. Even if you have the document, you might sometime need to know where it 
came from. You may see genealogy as a hobby, and don’t feel worried about 
professional standards – but you might want to be aware that the work that you 
are doing now, while it may be quite sound, cannot be considered lasting if it 
is not properly sourced. Your citations protect your long hours of work.

I suggest that you invest in a guide to genealogical source citations. The most 
widely accepted authority is Evidence Explained by Elizabeth Shown Mills.

Good luck to you.

Janis Walker Gilmore
http://www.JanisGilmore.com
Pawleys Island, SC, & Seattle, WA

On 10/14/09 11:25 AM, "Tom Thorpe"  wrote:


Good Morning All,
> 
>A Master Source question.  Because I produce and attatch a digital image of 
>every source within Legacy, why would I need to cite any other Master Source 
>other than the "Personal Collections" one I have created?
> 
>Example: from the NY State Archives, I obtained a copy of my ancestor's death 
>certificare.  That image is now attached to my source listing as a multimedia 
>image, for anyone to see.   Could I not just group it under a master source 
>called "Personal Collections" and be done with it?  Why would I also need to 
>list a Master Source as New York State Department of Health, repository New 
>York State Archives, etc.,when anyone wanting to verify my work can look right 
>at the attached copy of the original?
> 
>Thanks.
> 
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> 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Mike Fry]

Sherry wrote:

As I was following the discussion about using Ancestry to facilitate
attaching sources to your family file in Legacy, I had some
questions.

I choose the individuals I want to upload to Ancestry and allow
Legacy to create the GEDCOM and upload. I do my research and attach
sources (easily as I understand it--I've not done this before.) Then,
I download the Ancestry file to Legacy.

Questions. Are the sources turned into Master Sources or are they
only citations? Are the sources in Basic format or Source Writer
format?


They import as Basic Sources.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Sherry]

Thanks, Mike.

Sherry

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To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2009 7:05:48 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

Sherry wrote:
> As I was following the discussion about using Ancestry to facilitate
> attaching sources to your family file in Legacy, I had some
> questions.
> 
> I choose the individuals I want to upload to Ancestry and allow
> Legacy to create the GEDCOM and upload. I do my research and attach
> sources (easily as I understand it--I've not done this before.) Then,
> I download the Ancestry file to Legacy.
> 
> Questions. Are the sources turned into Master Sources or are they
> only citations? Are the sources in Basic format or Source Writer
> format?

They import as Basic Sources.

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Mike Fry
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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Susan Daily]

Elizabeth,
I did it this way: I opened up one family folder where I had thrust
many notes, clippings, letters, charts, etc. I started with the first
page, and made sure I had the info in my Legacy chart, then noted it
as a source. At the bottom of the source, I put a pencil checkmark and
the word PC (and the date, but you don't have to do that) to indicate
I added it to my program. I would source the official certificates,
too. (I did first go through the folder and sorted them into piles:
city directories, vital records, correspondance, charts, etc., then
put a yellow-sticky tab on the first item in the subpile so that my
folder was more organized.)

I think you just need to start somewhere, and this gets you going.
Otherwise, you will waste time wondering if you should source
something or not - is it official or not, etc.

Legacy has a way to document each source by a number, but I chose not
to do this. For one thing it saved me time. But decide now if you
think it is something you would like to do.

Susan

On 12/28/07, Hope Bagot Bees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here is a question that I have put-off asking but all this talk of
> sources makes me ask it.  I have been interested in family history for
> about 45 years and a lot of information is on bits of paper, charts
> inherited, etc.  I have used a number of family history programmes on
> computer but now use Legacy, having previously used Reunion.  And I now
> have to admit that virtually nothing is sourced on Legacy!!
>
> How can I realistically begin to address this problem with over 3000
> people in the file?  I have tried to append sources but find it tedious
> and confusing to fill in the source data and usually just give up.  I do
> realise that this makes my work sadly inadequate as serious information.
>
> Would it be a start to try to get my head around sourcing the
> non-standard information.  In other words, if the data comes from a
> standard birth, marriage or death certificate or parish register then
> leave it un-sourced and concentrate on those bits of information found
> in other places - for example a local trade directory or Will or Army
> record?
>
> Any advice please?
>
> Elizabeth
>
>



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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Cathy]

Hi Elizabeth,

The first advice is to start.
Don't add any more information without sourcing it as you add it - 
you use the Source Clipboard to do this. It's worth taking the time 
to learn to use this resource. Note that the free preview of the 
Video for Sourcing is on the Source Clipboard. See

http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Videos.asp

I'd start with the certificates and parish registers. These are the 
strongest sources (although they may contain errors as the 
information is only as good as the informant and the carefulness of 
the recorder) and will show quickly which pieces of information in 
your file are really solidly sourced.


With the bits of paper and sketched charts etc. I have given every 
piece a name (Craig Family Tree from Julie Craig 1982 etc - including 
unknown) and a code (FAM### where ### is a number). They are filed in 
order of number. Sources that don't fit in an A4 size file I have 
numbered separately.


It's more important to have a Source Name with information that 
enables you and an intelligent reader to know precisely what you mean 
than to fill in every field and follow accepted standards. If you can 
follow the standards, that's great and will be most helpful in the 
long run - but if attempting to stops you putting in sources at all - 
forget the standards or all the fields. Remember you can edit the 
Master Source later and add more information.


Cathy

At 07:54 AM 29/12/2007, you wrote:

Here is a question that I have put-off asking but all this talk of 
sources makes me ask it.  I have been interested in family history 
for about 45 years and a lot of information is on bits of paper, 
charts inherited, etc.  I have used a number of family history 
programmes on computer but now use Legacy, having previously used 
Reunion.  And I now have to admit that virtually nothing is sourced on Legacy!!


How can I realistically begin to address this problem with over 3000 
people in the file?  I have tried to append sources but find it 
tedious and confusing to fill in the source data and usually just 
give up.  I do realise that this makes my work sadly inadequate as 
serious information.


Would it be a start to try to get my head around sourcing the 
non-standard information.  In other words, if the data comes from a 
standard birth, marriage or death certificate or parish register 
then leave it un-sourced and concentrate on those bits of 
information found in other places - for example a local trade 
directory or Will or Army record?


Any advice please?

Elizabeth





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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Cathy]

Hi Peter,

You need to save the source image to your computer and then attach it 
to the source in Legacy or the relevant event. People do this 
differently depending on how they want the output to look. I used to 
attach to the source and never include source images in reports as 
most source images are illegible when printed in reports as they are 
too small - or at a larger size, take up far too much room.


Since access to digital images of sources has grown, I now mostly 
just save them, suitably named, to relevant folders.

eg 1851 Census
with files named
1851 surname firstname (of head or person of interest) HO105 345 folio6 page10
and don't attach them at all.  However, they are quicker to access if 
you do attach them.


Cathy

At 04:22 AM 29/12/2007, you wrote:

I have recently transfered my GEDCOM from Ancestry.com to Legacy. 
The sources are mentioned on Legacy that I used for information I 
have compiled on Ancestry.com but I can't see the copy of the 
original. How do I see the original document of the source that I 
was able to see on my Ancestry.com tree?

Peter





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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Peter Lagasse]

Thanks, that is what I thought, but wasn't sure.Peter Lagasse> Date: Sat, 29 
Dec 2007 10:33:57 +0900> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com> From: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hi 
Peter,> > You need to save the source image to your computer and then attach it 
> to the source in Legacy or the relevant event. People do this > differently 
depending on how they want the output to look. I used to > attach to the source 
and never include source images in reports as > most source images are 
illegible when printed in reports as they are > too small - or at a larger 
size, take up far too much room.> > Since access to digital images of sources 
has grown, I now mostly > just save them, suitably named, to relevant folders.> 
eg 1851 Census> with files named> 1851 surname firstname (of head or person of 
interest) HO105 345 folio6 page10> and don't attach them at all. However, they 
are quicker to access if > you do attach them.> > Cathy> > At 04:22 AM 
29/12/2007, you wrote:> > >I have recently transfered my GEDCOM from 
Ancestry.com to Legacy. > >The sources are mentioned on Legacy that I used for 
information I > >have compiled on Ancestry.com but I can't see the copy of the 
> >original. How do I see the original document of the source that I > >was 
able to see on my Ancestry.com tree?> >Peter> > > > > Give Legacy as a Gift for 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[RICHARD SCHULTHIES]

IMHO, you must first catgorize your 'future' sources
in workable groups. The Source Type list is a good
start. How is your file cabinet organized?
Surnames/locations/individuals/mixed? Start with one
manila folder, find all the possible sources in it. 
After creating 10-20 sources, review the first ones
for editting/revising. Set up templates as you go.
These are discussed in the archives. Good luck.
Rich in LA CA

--- Hope Bagot Bees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Here is a question that I have put-off asking but
> all this talk of 
> sources makes me ask it.  I have been interested in
> family history for 
> about 45 years and a lot of information is on bits
> of paper, charts 
> inherited, etc.  I have used a number of family
> history programmes on 
> computer but now use Legacy, having previously used
> Reunion.  And I now 
> have to admit that virtually nothing is sourced on
> Legacy!!
> 
> How can I realistically begin to address this
> problem with over 3000 
> people in the file?  I have tried to append sources
> but find it tedious 
> and confusing to fill in the source data and usually
> just give up.  I do 
> realise that this makes my work sadly inadequate as
> serious information.
> 
> Would it be a start to try to get my head around
> sourcing the 
> non-standard information.  In other words, if the
> data comes from a 
> standard birth, marriage or death certificate or
> parish register then 
> leave it un-sourced and concentrate on those bits of
> information found 
> in other places - for example a local trade
> directory or Will or Army 
> record?
> 
> Any advice please?
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Michele Lewis]

Here is what I did (and am still doing).  Everything NEW that goes in my 
file gets a source like it is supposed to.  Then, over time, I have been 
going back SLOWLY and adding the sources for everything else.


I started with my paper files.  I have my filing system set up like the 
Family History Library recommends.  I pull one folder at a time and enter 
all the info for that couple.  For example, if I had a death cerificate I 
would add the death certificate info as a source for

the person's name
the person's date of birth
the person's place of birth
the person's parent's names
the person's date of death
the person's date of burial
the person's place of burial
the person's last residence
the person's spouse info
the person's cause of death
and anything other info I can glean

It takes a long time but it is worth the effort.  As long as you are adding 
sources for all the NEW info going in your file you can take all the time 
you need to get the rest of your file corrected.  Start with your direct 
line and then go back and work on collateral lines.


Legacy has some built in shortcuts to help with sourcing.  The source 
clipboard is a lifesaver as is the event clipboard.


michele
- Original Message - 
From: "Hope Bagot Bees" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 5:54 PM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Sources


Here is a question that I have put-off asking but all this talk of sources 
makes me ask it.  I have been interested in family history for about 45 
years and a lot of information is on bits of paper, charts inherited, etc. 
I have used a number of family history programmes on computer but now use 
Legacy, having previously used Reunion.  And I now have to admit that 
virtually nothing is sourced on Legacy!!


How can I realistically begin to address this problem with over 3000 
people in the file?  I have tried to append sources but find it tedious 
and confusing to fill in the source data and usually just give up.  I do 
realise that this makes my work sadly inadequate as serious information.


Would it be a start to try to get my head around sourcing the non-standard 
information.  In other words, if the data comes from a standard birth, 
marriage or death certificate or parish register then leave it un-sourced 
and concentrate on those bits of information found in other places - for 
example a local trade directory or Will or Army record?


Any advice please?

Elizabeth



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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Michele Lewis]

Another thing.  Any new documents that I add to my file that I have sourced 
properly gets a little mark so that I know I have properly entered it.  That 
way when I do pull a file I can tell which documents have been entered 
properly and the ones that still need to be.  All my documents are in those 
plastic sleeves and I just put a little checkmark on the plastic with a 
Sharpie.  If it is something like a letter or an email that I received from 
someone I just make a mark on the paper itself.  Same with anything that I 
have printed out from a database etc.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Gail Nestor]

Hi Michele, you have hit upon a scenario that is exactly why I hope
Legacy will consider a change in its source formatting.  Your method
is the same as mine for attaching sources to different people and
different facts or events.  Unfortunately, every time we attach a
single source to all these different places, it adds an extra
identical copy of that exact same source in the database.

I wish so much that the source could just be in the database once and
then that same source could be attached as a *link* to all the various
places it needs to go.  It would save so much space and would help
immensely when I find an error I want to correct.  I wouldn't have to
correct 10 duplicate copies.  Instead I would just have the one linked
copy to correct.

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On Dec 29, 2007 9:30 AM, Michele Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here is what I did (and am still doing).  Everything NEW that goes in my
> file gets a source like it is supposed to.  Then, over time, I have been
> going back SLOWLY and adding the sources for everything else.
>
> I started with my paper files.  I have my filing system set up like the
> Family History Library recommends.  I pull one folder at a time and enter
> all the info for that couple.  For example, if I had a death cerificate I
> would add the death certificate info as a source for
> the person's name
> the person's date of birth
> the person's place of birth
> the person's parent's names
> the person's date of death
> the person's date of burial
> the person's place of burial
> the person's last residence
> the person's spouse info
> the person's cause of death
> and anything other info I can glean
>
> It takes a long time but it is worth the effort.  As long as you are adding
> sources for all the NEW info going in your file you can take all the time
> you need to get the rest of your file corrected.  Start with your direct
> line and then go back and work on collateral lines.
>
> Legacy has some built in shortcuts to help with sourcing.  The source
> clipboard is a lifesaver as is the event clipboard.
>
> michele
> - Original Message -
> From: "Hope Bagot Bees" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 5:54 PM
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Sources
>
>
> > Here is a question that I have put-off asking but all this talk of sources
> > makes me ask it.  I have been interested in family history for about 45
> > years and a lot of information is on bits of paper, charts inherited, etc.
> > I have used a number of family history programmes on computer but now use
> > Legacy, having previously used Reunion.  And I now have to admit that
> > virtually nothing is sourced on Legacy!!
> >
> > How can I realistically begin to address this problem with over 3000
> > people in the file?  I have tried to append sources but find it tedious
> > and confusing to fill in the source data and usually just give up.  I do
> > realise that this makes my work sadly inadequate as serious information.
> >
> > Would it be a start to try to get my head around sourcing the non-standard
> > information.  In other words, if the data comes from a standard birth,
> > marriage or death certificate or parish register then leave it un-sourced
> > and concentrate on those bits of information found in other places - for
> > example a local trade directory or Will or Army record?
> >
> > Any advice please?
> >
> > Elizabeth



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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Nancy]

 I guess I can be called a 'lumper'.  When I source a document (example:
Death Certificate) I make 1 source for that and use it with all my Deaths
that I use a Death Certificate for confirmation.  The difference in each one
is in the Detail line.  I put the vol and number and where I got the
information for that SPECIFIC death certificate on that line.  That gives me
one master source used in many cases for various death certificates.

Would that help you?


Nancy A. Daniels
10 Mary Rd
Eastham, MA 02642
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail Nestor
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 11:11 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

Hi Michele, you have hit upon a scenario that is exactly why I hope Legacy
will consider a change in its source formatting.  Your method is the same as
mine for attaching sources to different people and different facts or
events.  Unfortunately, every time we attach a single source to all these
different places, it adds an extra identical copy of that exact same source
in the database.

I wish so much that the source could just be in the database once and then
that same source could be attached as a *link* to all the various places it
needs to go.  It would save so much space and would help immensely when I
find an error I want to correct.  I wouldn't have to correct 10 duplicate
copies.  Instead I would just have the one linked copy to correct.

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net






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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Bob Janice]

Gail - I'm a little confused by your statement "every time we attach a 
single source to all these different places, it adds an extra identical 
copy of that exact same source in the database".


I also use a single source, i.e. death certificate, to source several 
different facts and/or events - in fact very similar to what Michele 
does.  I have never seen Legacy duplicate a source numerous times.  The 
one source (death certificate in this example) is linked to many 
different events or facts - but is present only once in the database.


Can you explain in more detail how you assign the source to different 
people, events, and/or facts to cause the creation of duplicate source 
entries . . .


Bob


Gail Nestor wrote:

Hi Michele, you have hit upon a scenario that is exactly why I hope
Legacy will consider a change in its source formatting.  Your method
is the same as mine for attaching sources to different people and
different facts or events.  Unfortunately, every time we attach a
single source to all these different places, it adds an extra
identical copy of that exact same source in the database.

I wish so much that the source could just be in the database once and
then that same source could be attached as a *link* to all the various
places it needs to go.  It would save so much space and would help
immensely when I find an error I want to correct.  I wouldn't have to
correct 10 duplicate copies.  Instead I would just have the one linked
copy to correct.

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On Dec 29, 2007 9:30 AM, Michele Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Here is what I did (and am still doing).  Everything NEW that goes in my
file gets a source like it is supposed to.  Then, over time, I have been
going back SLOWLY and adding the sources for everything else.

I started with my paper files.  I have my filing system set up like the
Family History Library recommends.  I pull one folder at a time and enter
all the info for that couple.  For example, if I had a death cerificate I
would add the death certificate info as a source for
the person's name
the person's date of birth
the person's place of birth
the person's parent's names
the person's date of death
the person's date of burial
the person's place of burial
the person's last residence
the person's spouse info
the person's cause of death
and anything other info I can glean

It takes a long time but it is worth the effort.  As long as you are adding
sources for all the NEW info going in your file you can take all the time
you need to get the rest of your file corrected.  Start with your direct
line and then go back and work on collateral lines.

Legacy has some built in shortcuts to help with sourcing.  The source
clipboard is a lifesaver as is the event clipboard.

michele
- Original Message -
From: "Hope Bagot Bees" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 5:54 PM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Sources




Here is a question that I have put-off asking but all this talk of sources
makes me ask it.  I have been interested in family history for about 45
years and a lot of information is on bits of paper, charts inherited, etc.
I have used a number of family history programmes on computer but now use
Legacy, having previously used Reunion.  And I now have to admit that
virtually nothing is sourced on Legacy!!

How can I realistically begin to address this problem with over 3000
people in the file?  I have tried to append sources but find it tedious
and confusing to fill in the source data and usually just give up.  I do
realise that this makes my work sadly inadequate as serious information.

Would it be a start to try to get my head around sourcing the non-standard
information.  In other words, if the data comes from a standard birth,
marriage or death certificate or parish register then leave it un-sourced
and concentrate on those bits of information found in other places - for
example a local trade directory or Will or Army record?

Any advice please?

Elizabeth
  




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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Lee Anders]

Forgive me for interjecting, but this is not the first time this confusion
has arisen from the same mistake, innocent as it may be. Gail is actually
talking about the *detail* added to the source, not the source itself. What
she wants is to be able to do is link multiple facts to one *detail*. So,
yes, there is only one copy of the source in your database, but each
*detail* is treated individually, even if the source AND *detail* are
identical to a 100 others.

Lee

On Dec 29, 2007 12:29 PM, Bob Janice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Gail - I'm a little confused by your statement "every time we attach a
> single source to all these different places, it adds an extra identical
> copy of that exact same source in the database".
>
> I also use a single source, i.e. death certificate, to source several
> different facts and/or events - in fact very similar to what Michele
> does.  I have never seen Legacy duplicate a source numerous times.  The
> one source (death certificate in this example) is linked to many
> different events or facts - but is present only once in the database.
>
> Can you explain in more detail how you assign the source to different
> people, events, and/or facts to cause the creation of duplicate source
> entries . . .
>
> Bob
>
>
> Gail Nestor wrote:
> > Hi Michele, you have hit upon a scenario that is exactly why I hope
> > Legacy will consider a change in its source formatting.  Your method
> > is the same as mine for attaching sources to different people and
> > different facts or events.  Unfortunately, every time we attach a
> > single source to all these different places, it adds an extra
> > identical copy of that exact same source in the database.
> >
> > I wish so much that the source could just be in the database once and
> > then that same source could be attached as a *link* to all the various
> > places it needs to go.  It would save so much space and would help
> > immensely when I find an error I want to correct.  I wouldn't have to
> > correct 10 duplicate copies.  Instead I would just have the one linked
> > copy to correct.
> >
> > Gail Rich Nestor
> > Smyrna, GA
> > www.roots2buds.net
> >
> >
> > On Dec 29, 2007 9:30 AM, Michele Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Here is what I did (and am still doing).  Everything NEW that goes in
> my
> >> file gets a source like it is supposed to.  Then, over time, I have
> been
> >> going back SLOWLY and adding the sources for everything else.
> >>
> >> I started with my paper files.  I have my filing system set up like the
> >> Family History Library recommends.  I pull one folder at a time and
> enter
> >> all the info for that couple.  For example, if I had a death cerificate
> I
> >> would add the death certificate info as a source for
> >> the person's name
> >> the person's date of birth
> >> the person's place of birth
> >> the person's parent's names
> >> the person's date of death
> >> the person's date of burial
> >> the person's place of burial
> >> the person's last residence
> >> the person's spouse info
> >> the person's cause of death
> >> and anything other info I can glean
> >>
> >> It takes a long time but it is worth the effort.  As long as you are
> adding
> >> sources for all the NEW info going in your file you can take all the
> time
> >> you need to get the rest of your file corrected.  Start with your
> direct
> >> line and then go back and work on collateral lines.
> >>
> >> Legacy has some built in shortcuts to help with sourcing.  The source
> >> clipboard is a lifesaver as is the event clipboard.
> >>
> >> michele
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Hope Bagot Bees" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: 
> >> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 5:54 PM
> >> Subject: [LegacyUG] Sources
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Here is a question that I have put-off asking but all this talk of
> sources
> >>> makes me ask it.  I have been interested in family history for about
> 45
> >>> years and a lot of information is on bits of paper, charts inherited,
> etc.
> >>> I have used a number of family history programmes on computer but now
> use
> >>> Legacy, having previously used Reunion.  And I now have to admit that
> >>> virtually nothing is sourced on Legacy!!
> >>>
> >>> How can I realistically begin to address this problem with over 3000
> >>> people in the file?  I have tried to append sources but find it
> tedious
> >>> and confusing to fill in the source data and usually just give up.  I
> do
> >>> realise that this makes my work sadly inadequate as serious
> information.
> >>>
> >>> Would it be a start to try to get my head around sourcing the
> non-standard
> >>> information.  In other words, if the data comes from a standard birth,
> >>> marriage or death certificate or parish register then leave it
> un-sourced
> >>> and concentrate on those bits of information found in other places -
> for
> >>> example a local trade directory or Will or Army record?
> >>>
> >>> Any advice please?
> >>>
> >>> Elizabeth
> >>>

Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Bob Janice]

Now it makes sense - thanks Lee . . .

Bob


Lee Anders wrote:
Forgive me for interjecting, but this is not the first time this 
confusion has arisen from the same mistake, innocent as it may be. 
Gail is actually talking about the *detail* added to the source, not 
the source itself. What she wants is to be able to do is link multiple 
facts to one *detail*. So, yes, there is only one copy of the source 
in your database, but each *detail* is treated individually, even if 
the source AND *detail* are identical to a 100 others.


Lee

On Dec 29, 2007 12:29 PM, Bob Janice <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


Gail - I'm a little confused by your statement "every time we attach a
single source to all these different places, it adds an extra
identical
copy of that exact same source in the database".

I also use a single source, i.e. death certificate, to source several
different facts and/or events - in fact very similar to what Michele
does.  I have never seen Legacy duplicate a source numerous times.
 The
one source (death certificate in this example) is linked to many
different events or facts - but is present only once in the database.

Can you explain in more detail how you assign the source to different
people, events, and/or facts to cause the creation of duplicate
source
entries . . .

Bob


Gail Nestor wrote:
> Hi Michele, you have hit upon a scenario that is exactly why I hope
> Legacy will consider a change in its source formatting.  Your method
> is the same as mine for attaching sources to different people and
> different facts or events.  Unfortunately, every time we attach a
> single source to all these different places, it adds an extra
> identical copy of that exact same source in the database.
>
> I wish so much that the source could just be in the database
once and
> then that same source could be attached as a *link* to all the
various
> places it needs to go.  It would save so much space and would help
> immensely when I find an error I want to correct.  I wouldn't
have to
> correct 10 duplicate copies.  Instead I would just have the one
linked
> copy to correct.
>
> Gail Rich Nestor
> Smyrna, GA
> www.roots2buds.net 
>
>
> On Dec 29, 2007 9:30 AM, Michele Lewis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
wrote:
>
>> Here is what I did (and am still doing).  Everything NEW that
goes in my
>> file gets a source like it is supposed to.  Then, over time, I
have been
>> going back SLOWLY and adding the sources for everything else.
>>
>> I started with my paper files.  I have my filing system set up
like the
>> Family History Library recommends.  I pull one folder at a time
and enter
>> all the info for that couple.  For example, if I had a death
cerificate I
>> would add the death certificate info as a source for
>> the person's name
>> the person's date of birth
>> the person's place of birth
>> the person's parent's names
>> the person's date of death
>> the person's date of burial
>> the person's place of burial
>> the person's last residence
>> the person's spouse info
>> the person's cause of death
>> and anything other info I can glean
>>
>> It takes a long time but it is worth the effort.  As long as
you are adding
>> sources for all the NEW info going in your file you can take
all the time
>> you need to get the rest of your file corrected.  Start with
your direct
>> line and then go back and work on collateral lines.
>>
>> Legacy has some built in shortcuts to help with sourcing.  The
source
>> clipboard is a lifesaver as is the event clipboard.
>>
>> michele
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Hope Bagot Bees" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> To: mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com>>
>> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 5:54 PM
>> Subject: [LegacyUG] Sources
>>
>>
>>
>>> Here is a question that I have put-off asking but all this
talk of sources
>>> makes me ask it.  I have been interested in family history for
about 45
>>> years and a lot of information is on bits of paper, charts
inherited, etc.
>>> I have used a number of family history programmes on computer
but now use
>>> Legacy, having previously used Reunion.  And I now have to
admit that
>>> virtually nothing is sourced on Legacy!!
>>>
>>> How can I realistically begin to address this problem with
over 3000
>>> people in the file?  I have tried to append sources but find
it tedious
>>> and confusing to fill in the source data and usually just give
up.  I do
>>> realise that this makes my work sadly inadequate as seriou

Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Ruth Nerud]

Now I'm confused. I understand one source; i.e., Obituary. Then when I use that 
source and want to say it came from this newspaper or that newspaper, two 
different ones, where do I put the *detail* showing that one person's obituary 
came from a newspaper different from another persons. Maybe I've had too many 
sugar cookies, but I just don't get this one.

Ruth A. (Sconza Testa) Nerud
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lee Anders 
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 11:48 AM
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources


  Forgive me for interjecting, but this is not the first time this confusion 
has arisen from the same mistake, innocent as it may be. Gail is actually 
talking about the *detail* added to the source, not the source itself. What she 
wants is to be able to do is link multiple facts to one *detail*. So, yes, 
there is only one copy of the source in your database, but each *detail* is 
treated individually, even if the source AND *detail* are identical to a 100 
others. 

  Lee


  On Dec 29, 2007 12:29 PM, Bob Janice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Gail - I'm a little confused by your statement "every time we attach a
single source to all these different places, it adds an extra identical
copy of that exact same source in the database".

I also use a single source, i.e. death certificate, to source several
different facts and/or events - in fact very similar to what Michele
does.  I have never seen Legacy duplicate a source numerous times.  The
one source (death certificate in this example) is linked to many 
different events or facts - but is present only once in the database.

Can you explain in more detail how you assign the source to different
people, events, and/or facts to cause the creation of duplicate source 
entries . . .

Bob


Gail Nestor wrote:
> Hi Michele, you have hit upon a scenario that is exactly why I hope
> Legacy will consider a change in its source formatting.  Your method
> is the same as mine for attaching sources to different people and 
> different facts or events.  Unfortunately, every time we attach a
> single source to all these different places, it adds an extra
> identical copy of that exact same source in the database.
>
> I wish so much that the source could just be in the database once and
> then that same source could be attached as a *link* to all the various
> places it needs to go.  It would save so much space and would help 
> immensely when I find an error I want to correct.  I wouldn't have to
> correct 10 duplicate copies.  Instead I would just have the one linked
> copy to correct.
>
> Gail Rich Nestor
> Smyrna, GA
> www.roots2buds.net
>
>
> On Dec 29, 2007 9:30 AM, Michele Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
>
>> Here is what I did (and am still doing).  Everything NEW that goes in my
>> file gets a source like it is supposed to.  Then, over time, I have been
>> going back SLOWLY and adding the sources for everything else. 
>>
>> I started with my paper files.  I have my filing system set up like the
>> Family History Library recommends.  I pull one folder at a time and enter
>> all the info for that couple.  For example, if I had a death cerificate 
I 
>> would add the death certificate info as a source for
>> the person's name
>> the person's date of birth
>> the person's place of birth
>> the person's parent's names 
>> the person's date of death
>> the person's date of burial
>> the person's place of burial
>> the person's last residence
>> the person's spouse info
>> the person's cause of death
>> and anything other info I can glean
>>
>> It takes a long time but it is worth the effort.  As long as you are 
adding
>> sources for all the NEW info going in your file you can take all the 
time 
>> you need to get the rest of your file corrected.  Start with your direct
>> line and then go back and work on collateral lines.
>>
>> Legacy has some built in shortcuts to help with sourcing.  The source 
>> clipboard is a lifesaver as is the event clipboard.
>>
>> michele
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Hope Bagot Bees" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 5:54 PM
>> Subject: [LegacyUG] Sources 
>>
>>
>>
>>> Here is a question that I have put-off asking but all this t

Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Lee Anders]

Ruth,

I was simply explaining a feature that Gail would like to see in Legacy.

However, if you have one source titled "Obituary" that you use for all of
your obituaries, you would add the individual details (newspaper title, page
number, date, etc.) in the "detail" box, just as I am sure you have been
doing all along.

And I'm sorry if I added to the confusion, as that was certainly not my
intention.

:-) Lee

On Dec 29, 2007 1:03 PM, Ruth Nerud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Now I'm confused. I understand one source; i.e., Obituary. Then when I
> use that source and want to say it came from this newspaper or that
> newspaper, two different ones, where do I put the *detail* showing that one
> person's obituary came from a newspaper different from another persons.
> Maybe I've had too many sugar cookies, but I just don't get this one.
>
> Ruth A. (Sconza Testa) Nerud
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Lee Anders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 29, 2007 11:48 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Sources
>
> Forgive me for interjecting, but this is not the first time this confusion
> has arisen from the same mistake, innocent as it may be. Gail is actually
> talking about the *detail* added to the source, not the source itself. What
> she wants is to be able to do is link multiple facts to one *detail*. So,
> yes, there is only one copy of the source in your database, but each
> *detail* is treated individually, even if the source AND *detail* are
> identical to a 100 others.
>
> Lee
>
> On Dec 29, 2007 12:29 PM, Bob Janice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Gail - I'm a little confused by your statement "every time we attach a
> > single source to all these different places, it adds an extra identical
> > copy of that exact same source in the database".
> >
> > I also use a single source, i.e. death certificate, to source several
> > different facts and/or events - in fact very similar to what Michele
> > does.  I have never seen Legacy duplicate a source numerous times.  The
> > one source (death certificate in this example) is linked to many
> > different events or facts - but is present only once in the database.
> >
> > Can you explain in more detail how you assign the source to different
> > people, events, and/or facts to cause the creation of duplicate source
> > entries . . .
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > Gail Nestor wrote:
> > > Hi Michele, you have hit upon a scenario that is exactly why I hope
> > > Legacy will consider a change in its source formatting.  Your method
> > > is the same as mine for attaching sources to different people and
> > > different facts or events.  Unfortunately, every time we attach a
> > > single source to all these different places, it adds an extra
> > > identical copy of that exact same source in the database.
> > >
> > > I wish so much that the source could just be in the database once and
> > > then that same source could be attached as a *link* to all the various
> > > places it needs to go.  It would save so much space and would help
> > > immensely when I find an error I want to correct.  I wouldn't have to
> > > correct 10 duplicate copies.  Instead I would just have the one linked
> > > copy to correct.
> > >
> > > Gail Rich Nestor
> > > Smyrna, GA
> > > www.roots2buds.net
> > >
> > >
> > > On Dec 29, 2007 9:30 AM, Michele Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Here is what I did (and am still doing).  Everything NEW that goes in
> > my
> > >> file gets a source like it is supposed to.  Then, over time, I have
> > been
> > >> going back SLOWLY and adding the sources for everything else.
> > >>
> > >> I started with my paper files.  I have my filing system set up like
> > the
> > >> Family History Library recommends.  I pull one folder at a time and
> > enter
> > >> all the info for that couple.  For example, if I had a death
> > cerificate I
> > >> would add the death certificate info as a source for
> > >> the person's name
> > >> the person's date of birth
> > >> the person's place of birth
> > >> the person's parent's names
> > >> the person's date of death
> > >> the person's date of burial
> > >> the person's place of burial
> > >> the person&#x

RE: [LegacyUG] Sources

[ronald ferguson]

Gail, 

Please forgive me but I do not understand what you are saying. There is one 
Master Source which (hopefully) does not need changing and then source details 
which are related to the individual and, therefore, must be changed for each. 
So , what is the probem? Or is it a problem that only splitters have?

Ron Ferguson


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> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:11:27 -0500
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources
>
> Hi Michele, you have hit upon a scenario that is exactly why I hope
> Legacy will consider a change in its source formatting. Your method
> is the same as mine for attaching sources to different people and
> different facts or events. Unfortunately, every time we attach a
> single source to all these different places, it adds an extra
> identical copy of that exact same source in the database.
>
> I wish so much that the source could just be in the database once and
> then that same source could be attached as a *link* to all the various
> places it needs to go. It would save so much space and would help
> immensely when I find an error I want to correct. I wouldn't have to
> correct 10 duplicate copies. Instead I would just have the one linked
> copy to correct.
>
> Gail Rich Nestor
> Smyrna, GA
> www.roots2buds.net
>
>
> On Dec 29, 2007 9:30 AM, Michele Lewis  wrote:
>> Here is what I did (and am still doing). Everything NEW that goes in my
>> file gets a source like it is supposed to. Then, over time, I have been
>> going back SLOWLY and adding the sources for everything else.
>>
>> I started with my paper files. I have my filing system set up like the
>> Family History Library recommends. I pull one folder at a time and enter
>> all the info for that couple. For example, if I had a death cerificate I
>> would add the death certificate info as a source for
>> the person's name
>> the person's date of birth
>> the person's place of birth
>> the person's parent's names
>> the person's date of death
>> the person's date of burial
>> the person's place of burial
>> the person's last residence
>> the person's spouse info
>> the person's cause of death
>> and anything other info I can glean
>>
>> It takes a long time but it is worth the effort. As long as you are adding
>> sources for all the NEW info going in your file you can take all the time
>> you need to get the rest of your file corrected. Start with your direct
>> line and then go back and work on collateral lines.
>>
>> Legacy has some built in shortcuts to help with sourcing. The source
>> clipboard is a lifesaver as is the event clipboard.
>>
>> michele
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Hope Bagot Bees" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 5:54 PM
>> Subject: [LegacyUG] Sources
>>
>>
>>> Here is a question that I have put-off asking but all this talk of sources
>>> makes me ask it. I have been interested in family history for about 45
>>> years and a lot of information is on bits of paper, charts inherited, etc.
>>> I have used a number of family history programmes on computer but now use
>>> Legacy, having previously used Reunion. And I now have to admit that
>>> virtually nothing is sourced on Legacy!!
>>>
>>> How can I realistically begin to address this problem with over 3000
>>> people in the file? I have tried to append sources but find it tedious
>>> and confusing to fill in the source data and usually just give up. I do
>>> realise that this makes my work sadly inadequate as serious information.
>>>
>>> Would it be a start to try to get my head around sourcing the non-standard
>>> information. In other words, if the data comes from a standard birth,
>>> marriage or death certificate or parish register then leave it un-sourced
>>> and concentrate on those bits of information found in other places - for
>>> example a local trade directory or Will or Army record?
>>>
>>> Any advice please?
>>>
>>> Elizabeth
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Ruth Nerud]

Ohmygosh - It never occurred to me that this was something I could make use of. 
I couldn't envision what detail I would add. Now I have a lot of work to do 
because I think this is a great feature. Legacy rocks!

Ruth
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lee Anders 
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 12:54 PM
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources


  Ruth,

  I was simply explaining a feature that Gail would like to see in Legacy.

  However, if you have one source titled "Obituary" that you use for all of 
your obituaries, you would add the individual details (newspaper title, page 
number, date, etc.) in the "detail" box, just as I am sure you have been doing 
all along. 

  And I'm sorry if I added to the confusion, as that was certainly not my 
intention.

  :-) Lee


  On Dec 29, 2007 1:03 PM, Ruth Nerud < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Now I'm confused. I understand one source; i.e., Obituary. Then when I use 
that source and want to say it came from this newspaper or that newspaper, two 
different ones, where do I put the *detail* showing that one person's obituary 
came from a newspaper different from another persons. Maybe I've had too many 
sugar cookies, but I just don't get this one.

Ruth A. (Sconza Testa) Nerud
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lee Anders 
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 11:48 AM
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources 


  Forgive me for interjecting, but this is not the first time this 
confusion has arisen from the same mistake, innocent as it may be. Gail is 
actually talking about the *detail* added to the source, not the source itself. 
What she wants is to be able to do is link multiple facts to one *detail*. So, 
yes, there is only one copy of the source in your database, but each *detail* 
is treated individually, even if the source AND *detail* are identical to a 100 
others. 

  Lee


  On Dec 29, 2007 12:29 PM, Bob Janice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Gail - I'm a little confused by your statement "every time we attach a
single source to all these different places, it adds an extra identical
copy of that exact same source in the database".

I also use a single source, i.e. death certificate, to source several
different facts and/or events - in fact very similar to what Michele
does.  I have never seen Legacy duplicate a source numerous times.  The
one source (death certificate in this example) is linked to many 
different events or facts - but is present only once in the database.

Can you explain in more detail how you assign the source to different
people, events, and/or facts to cause the creation of duplicate source 
entries . . .

Bob


Gail Nestor wrote:
> Hi Michele, you have hit upon a scenario that is exactly why I hope
> Legacy will consider a change in its source formatting.  Your method
> is the same as mine for attaching sources to different people and 
> different facts or events.  Unfortunately, every time we attach a
> single source to all these different places, it adds an extra
> identical copy of that exact same source in the database.
>
> I wish so much that the source could just be in the database once and
> then that same source could be attached as a *link* to all the various
> places it needs to go.  It would save so much space and would help 
> immensely when I find an error I want to correct.  I wouldn't have to
> correct 10 duplicate copies.  Instead I would just have the one linked
> copy to correct.
>
> Gail Rich Nestor
> Smyrna, GA
> www.roots2buds.net
>
>

> On Dec 29, 2007 9:30 AM, Michele Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
>
>> Here is what I did (and am still doing).  Everything NEW that goes 
in my
>> file gets a source like it is supposed to.  Then, over time, I have 
been
>> going back SLOWLY and adding the sources for everything else. 
>>
>> I started with my paper files.  I have my filing system set up like 
the
>> Family History Library recommends.  I pull one folder at a time and 
enter
>> all the info for that couple.  For example, if I had a death 
cerificate I 
>> would add the death certificate info as a source for
>> the person's name
>> the person's date of birth
>> the person's place of birth
>> the person's parent's names 
>> the person&#

Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Michele Lewis]

Now I understand what you are saying!  I understand because I had to make a 
correction to one of my sources.  If you are a splitter it isn't a problem 
because you can make a change in the source and it will then make a global 
change to everything that uses that source.  However, if you are a lumper 
that uses the detail area to differentiate between specific source then it 
is a problem when you have to make a change to a particular death 
certificate.  You can solve your problem by becoming a splitter.  I am a die 
hard lumper though :)  What I do is I just do a search to find all the 
records that need to be changed, tag them, and then correct them.  Once I 
correct one I can copy and paste through the others.


michele
- Original Message - 
From: "Gail Nestor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources



Hi Michele, you have hit upon a scenario that is exactly why I hope
Legacy will consider a change in its source formatting.  Your method
is the same as mine for attaching sources to different people and
different facts or events.  Unfortunately, every time we attach a
single source to all these different places, it adds an extra
identical copy of that exact same source in the database.

I wish so much that the source could just be in the database once and
then that same source could be attached as a *link* to all the various
places it needs to go.  It would save so much space and would help
immensely when I find an error I want to correct.  I wouldn't have to
correct 10 duplicate copies.  Instead I would just have the one linked
copy to correct.

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On Dec 29, 2007 9:30 AM, Michele Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

Here is what I did (and am still doing).  Everything NEW that goes in my
file gets a source like it is supposed to.  Then, over time, I have been
going back SLOWLY and adding the sources for everything else.

I started with my paper files.  I have my filing system set up like the
Family History Library recommends.  I pull one folder at a time and enter
all the info for that couple.  For example, if I had a death cerificate I
would add the death certificate info as a source for
the person's name
the person's date of birth
the person's place of birth
the person's parent's names
the person's date of death
the person's date of burial
the person's place of burial
the person's last residence
the person's spouse info
the person's cause of death
and anything other info I can glean

It takes a long time but it is worth the effort.  As long as you are 
adding

sources for all the NEW info going in your file you can take all the time
you need to get the rest of your file corrected.  Start with your direct
line and then go back and work on collateral lines.

Legacy has some built in shortcuts to help with sourcing.  The source
clipboard is a lifesaver as is the event clipboard.

michele
- Original Message -
From: "Hope Bagot Bees" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 5:54 PM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Sources


> Here is a question that I have put-off asking but all this talk of 
> sources

> makes me ask it.  I have been interested in family history for about 45
> years and a lot of information is on bits of paper, charts inherited, 
> etc.
> I have used a number of family history programmes on computer but now 
> use

> Legacy, having previously used Reunion.  And I now have to admit that
> virtually nothing is sourced on Legacy!!
>
> How can I realistically begin to address this problem with over 3000
> people in the file?  I have tried to append sources but find it tedious
> and confusing to fill in the source data and usually just give up.  I 
> do
> realise that this makes my work sadly inadequate as serious 
> information.

>
> Would it be a start to try to get my head around sourcing the 
> non-standard

> information.  In other words, if the data comes from a standard birth,
> marriage or death certificate or parish register then leave it 
> un-sourced
> and concentrate on those bits of information found in other places - 
> for

> example a local trade directory or Will or Army record?
>
> Any advice please?
>
> Elizabeth




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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Michele Lewis]

I am a lumper too.   I have a master source Death Certificate and then in 
the detail I put


Mississippi Certificate of Death #46988, James Elexander Simmons

HOWEVER, I attach this source to MANY different facts and that was the list 
I put in the other post.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Gail Nestor]

Hi Ron and others, I know this is a complicated situation to try to
explain and I think it would mainly benefit those with medium to large
databases and those who lump (who have a master source with lots of
details and apply those same details to multiple people, facts, and
events).  Let me see if an example might help.

I find an obituary for John Doe:

I first create a master source like"
The Journal-Patriot [microfilm], Wilkesboro, North Carolina
(Wilkes County Community College Library)

This master source could be the source for several different peoples'
obits, each of which can apply to many people and/or events.

Now let's say I create a citation detail for one specific article I
find in this newspaper:
obituary for John Doe, vol. XXVI, no. 103, Monday, 20 Nov 1933, page 5

I might want to apply this master source and the source detail to John
Doe's name, birth date, death date, religion, and occupation.  I might
also want to apply this same "master plus detail" to John Does' wife,
parents, and children.

I could use Legacy's source template to copy and paste the master plus
detail combo to all the people and facts.  That would be fine except
that there would be muliple copies of this exact same master plus
detail floating around in Legacy's database.  If I needed to make a
correction to the detail, I would have to "search and replace" the
erroneous portion in every individual copy of this in Legacy.

If the source plus detail were only entered once in Legacy, I envision this:
1) I first select a (previously entered) master source from Legacy
(like I already would now)
2) I then see a drop down box with each previously entered citation
detail choice:

i.e. obituary for John Doe, vol. XXVI, no. 103, Monday, 20 Nov 1933, page 5
obituary for Jane Doe, vol. XXVII, no. 112, Monday, 5 May 1942, page 1
obituary for Baby Doe, vol XXII, no. 74, Monday, 12 February 1921, page 3

3) I would click the one I wanted or I could add a new one
4) I would then click the place to apply the master plus detail (John
Doe's name, Jane Doe's name, John Doe's place of birth, etc.)


The benefit is that you would select the detail to associate with the
master source and then Legacy would create a link to the entire source
set (master plus detail).   You would not have identical copies of
master plus detail like the example below floating around in Legacy
attached to multiple people and/or events.

The Journal-Patriot [microfilm], Wilkesboro, North Carolina
(Wilkes County Community College Library), obituary for John Doe, vol.
XXVI, no. 103, Monday, 20 Nov 1933, page 5

Let's say I have 1 newspaper (one master source) with obituaries for
10 different people, each with his own separate citation detail.  That
would lead to 10 different "master plus detail" combos.  Then let's
say I paste one of these 10 souce combos to 5 people and/or events.
That equates to 5 separate source listings in Legacy.  If each "master
plus detail" combos (that is - one newspaper plus one person's
individual obit detail) could be formed so that a link could be
established between it and a person/fact/event, there would only be 1
source listings instead of 5 as above.

I know this sounds convoluted, but I just feel that if I could talk
with a programmer, I could get this to make more sense.  I once had a
project working with electronic invoicing at a prior job and everyone
thought I was crazy until I finally caught the programmers interest
and we ended up saving a ton of time, money, data storage space, and
many less errors.  It's just very complicated to describe in words!

Anyway, sorry for going on about this as I know it doesn't have any
chance of being included with v7.  However, I do think this idea is
worthy of consideration and hope it makes a tiny bit of sense.

Now I'm off to a movie with Mom and sis while hubby watches the kids!...

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On Dec 29, 2007 2:09 PM, ronald ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Gail,
>
> Please forgive me but I do not understand what you are saying. There is one 
> Master Source which (hopefully) does not need changing and then source 
> details which are related to the individual and, therefore, must be changed 
> for each. So , what is the probem? Or is it a problem that only splitters 
> have?
>
> Ron Ferguson
>
>
> _
>
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> http://www.fergys.co.uk
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> _____________
>
> > Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:11:27 -0500
> > From: [EMA

Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Ruth Nerud]

I'm a lumper, too, and I just really like this new idea of using the Detail 
section. It gives so much more information that proves the fact.


Ruth A. (Sconza Testa) Nerud
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

- Original Message - 
From: "Michele Lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources


I am a lumper too.   I have a master source Death Certificate and then in 
the detail I put


Mississippi Certificate of Death #46988, James Elexander Simmons

HOWEVER, I attach this source to MANY different facts and that was the 
list I put in the other post.


michele 





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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Michele Lewis]

Gail, I really like your idea about having a drop down list of all the 
different detail entries for each source. I understand perfectly what you 
are saying (maybe because I am a lumper!).  I have had to correct an error 
like that and it is very time consuming.


michele

- Original Message - 
From: "Gail Nestor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources



Hi Ron and others, I know this is a complicated situation to try to
explain and I think it would mainly benefit those with medium to large
databases and those who lump (who have a master source with lots of
details and apply those same details to multiple people, facts, and
events).  Let me see if an example might help.

I find an obituary for John Doe:

I first create a master source like"
The Journal-Patriot [microfilm], Wilkesboro, North Carolina
(Wilkes County Community College Library)

This master source could be the source for several different peoples'
obits, each of which can apply to many people and/or events.

Now let's say I create a citation detail for one specific article I
find in this newspaper:
obituary for John Doe, vol. XXVI, no. 103, Monday, 20 Nov 1933, page 5

I might want to apply this master source and the source detail to John
Doe's name, birth date, death date, religion, and occupation.  I might
also want to apply this same "master plus detail" to John Does' wife,
parents, and children.

I could use Legacy's source template to copy and paste the master plus
detail combo to all the people and facts.  That would be fine except
that there would be muliple copies of this exact same master plus
detail floating around in Legacy's database.  If I needed to make a
correction to the detail, I would have to "search and replace" the
erroneous portion in every individual copy of this in Legacy.

If the source plus detail were only entered once in Legacy, I envision 
this:

1) I first select a (previously entered) master source from Legacy
(like I already would now)
2) I then see a drop down box with each previously entered citation
detail choice:

i.e. obituary for John Doe, vol. XXVI, no. 103, Monday, 20 Nov 1933, page 
5

obituary for Jane Doe, vol. XXVII, no. 112, Monday, 5 May 1942, page 1
obituary for Baby Doe, vol XXII, no. 74, Monday, 12 February 1921, page 3

3) I would click the one I wanted or I could add a new one
4) I would then click the place to apply the master plus detail (John
Doe's name, Jane Doe's name, John Doe's place of birth, etc.)


The benefit is that you would select the detail to associate with the
master source and then Legacy would create a link to the entire source
set (master plus detail).   You would not have identical copies of
master plus detail like the example below floating around in Legacy
attached to multiple people and/or events.

The Journal-Patriot [microfilm], Wilkesboro, North Carolina
(Wilkes County Community College Library), obituary for John Doe, vol.
XXVI, no. 103, Monday, 20 Nov 1933, page 5

Let's say I have 1 newspaper (one master source) with obituaries for
10 different people, each with his own separate citation detail.  That
would lead to 10 different "master plus detail" combos.  Then let's
say I paste one of these 10 souce combos to 5 people and/or events.
That equates to 5 separate source listings in Legacy.  If each "master
plus detail" combos (that is - one newspaper plus one person's
individual obit detail) could be formed so that a link could be
established between it and a person/fact/event, there would only be 1
source listings instead of 5 as above.

I know this sounds convoluted, but I just feel that if I could talk
with a programmer, I could get this to make more sense.  I once had a
project working with electronic invoicing at a prior job and everyone
thought I was crazy until I finally caught the programmers interest
and we ended up saving a ton of time, money, data storage space, and
many less errors.  It's just very complicated to describe in words!

Anyway, sorry for going on about this as I know it doesn't have any
chance of being included with v7.  However, I do think this idea is
worthy of consideration and hope it makes a tiny bit of sense.

Now I'm off to a movie with Mom and sis while hubby watches the kids!...

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On Dec 29, 2007 2:09 PM, ronald ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Gail,

Please forgive me but I do not understand what you are saying. There is 
one Master Source which (hopefully) does not need changing and then 
source details which are related to the individual and, therefore, must 
be changed for each. So , what is the probem? Or is it a problem that 
only splitters have?


Ron Ferguson


_

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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Hope Bagot Bees]

Thanks to all this advice.  I must admit I am still confused by the 
terms lumper and splitter.  I've looked at the Archive pages but they 
don't seem to explain what is meant by this.  It just shows that you can 
be using a program for years without fully understanding it.  However, I 
am picking up help on this subject of sources, have now looked at the 
video for sourcing which does help.  I am inspired to start.


Elizabeth

Cathy wrote:

Hi Elizabeth,

The first advice is to start.
Don't add any more information without sourcing it as you add it - you 
use the Source Clipboard to do this. It's worth taking the time to 
learn to use this resource. Note that the free preview of the Video 
for Sourcing is on the Source Clipboard. See

http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Videos.asp

I'd start with the certificates and parish registers. These are the 
strongest sources (although they may contain errors as the information 
is only as good as the informant and the carefulness of the recorder) 
and will show quickly which pieces of information in your file are 
really solidly sourced.


With the bits of paper and sketched charts etc. I have given every 
piece a name (Craig Family Tree from Julie Craig 1982 etc - including 
unknown) and a code (FAM### where ### is a number). They are filed in 
order of number. Sources that don't fit in an A4 size file I have 
numbered separately.


It's more important to have a Source Name with information that 
enables you and an intelligent reader to know precisely what you mean 
than to fill in every field and follow accepted standards. If you can 
follow the standards, that's great and will be most helpful in the 
long run - but if attempting to stops you putting in sources at all - 
forget the standards or all the fields. Remember you can edit the 
Master Source later and add more information.


Cathy

At 07:54 AM 29/12/2007, you wrote:

Here is a question that I have put-off asking but all this talk of 
sources makes me ask it.  I have been interested in family history 
for about 45 years and a lot of information is on bits of paper, 
charts inherited, etc.  I have used a number of family history 
programmes on computer but now use Legacy, having previously used 
Reunion.  And I now have to admit that virtually nothing is sourced 
on Legacy!!


How can I realistically begin to address this problem with over 3000 
people in the file?  I have tried to append sources but find it 
tedious and confusing to fill in the source data and usually just 
give up.  I do realise that this makes my work sadly inadequate as 
serious information.


Would it be a start to try to get my head around sourcing the 
non-standard information.  In other words, if the data comes from a 
standard birth, marriage or death certificate or parish register then 
leave it un-sourced and concentrate on those bits of information 
found in other places - for example a local trade directory or Will 
or Army record?


Any advice please?

Elizabeth





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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Valerie Garton]

Great suggestion but what is a Sharpie ?

Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. 
Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Belfast, Dublin, Wicklow
& Wexford 
GOON member No: 4825 for CULLODEN & HIGGINSON

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michele
Lewis
Sent: Sunday, 30 December 2007 1:56 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources


Another thing.  Any new documents that I add to my file that I have
sourced 
properly gets a little mark so that I know I have properly entered it.
That 
way when I do pull a file I can tell which documents have been entered 
properly and the ones that still need to be.  All my documents are in
those 
plastic sleeves and I just put a little checkmark on the plastic with a 
Sharpie.  If it is something like a letter or an email that I received
from 
someone I just make a mark on the paper itself.  Same with anything that
I 
have printed out from a database etc.

michele 




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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Wendy Howard]

It's a brand of fine tipped felt pen with permanent ink, that you should 
be able to find in Australia.  We have them here in NZ. 

See their web site at 
http://www.sharpie.com/enUS/Product/Sharpie_Fine_Point_Permanent_Marker.html 
to see what they look like and the colours available.


Wendy

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*Subject:* [LegacyUG] Sources



Great suggestion but what is a Sharpie ?



-Original Message-
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Sent: Sunday, 30 December 2007 1:56 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources


 All my documents are in those plastic sleeves and I just put a little 
checkmark on the plastic with a Sharpie. 




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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Bruce Jones]

s the probem? Or is it a problem that only splitters 
> > have?
> >
> > Ron Ferguson
> >
> >
> > _
> >
> > For Genealogy, Software and Social visit:
> > http://www.fergys.co.uk
> > *New Blog* Protect Your PC
> > View the Grimshaw Family Tree at:
> > http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/
> > For The Fergusons of N.W. England See:
> > http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
> > _
> >
> > > Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:11:27 -0500
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> > > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources
> > >
> > > Hi Michele, you have hit upon a scenario that is exactly why I hope
> > > Legacy will consider a change in its source formatting. Your method
> > > is the same as mine for attaching sources to different people and
> > > different facts or events. Unfortunately, every time we attach a
> > > single source to all these different places, it adds an extra
> > > identical copy of that exact same source in the database.
> > >
> > > I wish so much that the source could just be in the database once and
> > > then that same source could be attached as a *link* to all the various
> > > places it needs to go. It would save so much space and would help
> > > immensely when I find an error I want to correct. I wouldn't have to
> > > correct 10 duplicate copies. Instead I would just have the one linked
> > > copy to correct.
> > >
> > > Gail Rich Nestor
> > > Smyrna, GA
> > > www.roots2buds.net
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > On Dec 29, 2007 9:30 AM, Michele Lewis  wrote:
> > >> Here is what I did (and am still doing). Everything NEW that goes in my
> > >> file gets a source like it is supposed to. Then, over time, I have been
> > >> going back SLOWLY and adding the sources for everything else.
> > >>
> > >> I started with my paper files. I have my filing system set up like the
> > >> Family History Library recommends. I pull one folder at a time and enter
> > >> all the info for that couple. For example, if I had a death cerificate I
> > >> would add the death certificate info as a source for
> > >> the person's name
> > >> the person's date of birth
> > >> the person's place of birth
> > >> the person's parent's names
> > >> the person's date of death
> > >> the person's date of burial
> > >> the person's place of burial
> > >> the person's last residence
> > >> the person's spouse info
> > >> the person's cause of death
> > >> and anything other info I can glean
> > >>
> > >> It takes a long time but it is worth the effort. As long as you are 
> > >> adding
> > >> sources for all the NEW info going in your file you can take all the time
> > >> you need to get the rest of your file corrected. Start with your direct
> > >> line and then go back and work on collateral lines.
> > >>
> > >> Legacy has some built in shortcuts to help with sourcing. The source
> > >> clipboard is a lifesaver as is the event clipboard.
> > >>
> > >> michele
> > >> - Original Message -
> > >> From: "Hope Bagot Bees"
> > >> To:
> > >> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 5:54 PM
> > >> Subject: [LegacyUG] Sources
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Here is a question that I have put-off asking but all this talk of 
> > >>> sources
> > >>> makes me ask it. I have been interested in family history for about 45
> > >>> years and a lot of information is on bits of paper, charts inherited, 
> > >>> etc.
> > >>> I have used a number of family history programmes on computer but now 
> > >>> use
> > >>> Legacy, having previously used Reunion. And I now have to admit that
> > >>> virtually nothing is sourced on Legacy!!
> > >>>
> > >>> How can I realistically begin to address this problem with over 3000
> > >>> people in the file? I have tried to append sources but find it tedious
> > >>> and confusing to fill in the source data and usually just give up. I do
> > >>> realise t

Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Lucy Shore]

Hi

I've been watching this thread with some interest. I've determined that for 
years I've been a splitter but recently have seen the advantages to being a 
lumper!


However, as I understand it, Legacy 7 will have some major changes made to 
the sources component of the program. Apparently a template system will be 
used and thus we'll all to need to make various changes to the way we've 
handled sources. So I suspect that many of us are 'jumping the gun' with 
respect to changing whatever 'system' we use.


BTW I was probably one of the earlier users of Legacy (I think I started 
with Legacy 1.0!) when it wasn't free and never regretted the move for a 
moment. Of all the programs I tried (at the time I was using Brothers Keeper 
and quite liked it but I was looking for something more sohisticated), 
Legacy was (and still is) the most intuitive program around. Keep up the 
good work, guys and gals! Now if we could only figure have more french 
reports (bg)...


Lucy

Thanks to all this advice.  I must admit I am still confused by the terms 
lumper and splitter.  I've looked at the Archive pages but they don't seem 
to explain what is meant by this.  It just shows that you can be using a 
program for years without fully understanding it.  However, I am picking 
up help on this subject of sources, have now looked at the video for 
sourcing which does help.  I am inspired to start.


Elizabeth






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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Wendy Howard]

Hi Elizabeth,

"Lumping" and "splitting" are terms this list has adopted to describe 
two ways of utilising the sources feature of Legacy.


At one extreme end, a splitter will use one Master Source for each 
individual document they come across.  For example, each birth 
certificate sighted for data would have it's own Master Source, each 
page in a census, etc.  This results in many, many Master Sources, but 
also has some advantages over other methods.  In this situation, the 
Detail Source field would only be required in situations such as when 
you wanted to specify the page of a book, or something like that.


At the other extreme, a lumper would have one Master Source called 
something like "Birth Certificates", and use that for every piece of 
data that came from a birth record.  The Detail Source field is used in 
this case to provide information specific to each item.  This results in 
fewer Master Source items.


I'm somewhere in-between, having started out as a splitter because I 
didn't realise there were alternatives until I'd been reading this list 
for a while.  I lump different *types* of birth records together, so I 
have one for English birth certificates, one for New Zealand birth 
certificates, another for NZ birth "printouts" (which aren't the same as 
certificates, but are the original entries from which certificates are 
produced on order), and so on.  One Master Source for each country that 
I've got material from.  One Master Source for each year and country for 
census data.  The information that is common to these items (author, 
title, usually) is recorded in the Master Source, everything else is 
recorded in the Detail Source.


I also have a Master Source called "Private Correspondence", which I use 
for letters, emails, etc that I receive from people about my family.  A 
splitter would create a Master Source for each item.


I like my method of being somewhat of a lumper because it is quicker for 
me to assign a Master Source when I'm entering data, and if I'm looking 
through the list there isn't a lot to look through (70 at this moment, 
though many of those are from the days when I was working in the 
splitter fashion that I haven't changed yet) and easy to remember what 
I've got there.


However, as has already been mentioned here today, if I make a mistake 
in the Detail Source field for an item and don't notice it until later, 
and I've used that for several pieces of data spread over several 
people, I have to find each one to correct them individually.  Sounds 
drastic, but with the Source Clipboard it is actually very quick to make 
the actual correction - it just takes time to locate where that Detail 
Source was used.  And even if you miss one correction and don't notice 
it until you're running a report later, it doesn't take long to copy the 
correct entry to the Source Clipboard and paste it where it's needed, 
deleting the incorrect one as well.


There is no "right" answer here for you - just choices to make as to how 
you want to proceed.  We can help you by telling you what we do 
ourselves and why we prefer our own methods.  :-)


Hope this helps.

Kind Regards,
Wendy Howard
--
Kaiwaka, Northland, New Zealand
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wendyh65/ 



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*From:* Hope Bagot Bees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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*Sent:* 12/30/2007 11:49:41 AM +1300
*Subject:* [LegacyUG] Sources


Thanks to all this advice.  I must admit I am still confused by the 
terms lumper and splitter.  I've looked at the Archive pages but they 
don't seem to explain what is meant by this.  It just shows that you 
can be using a program for years without fully understanding it.  
However, I am picking up help on this subject of sources, have now 
looked at the video for sourcing which does help.  I am inspired to 
start.


Elizabeth




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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources

[theple]

I'm a Brand New Legacy User. Just installed it on my computer 4 days
ago, received the videos in the mail yesterday and stayed up till 2 a.m.
last night viewing until I had to go to bed (I was falling asleep in my
chair).

I haven't worked on my genealogy for over 25 years ... Due to kids,
work, college, husband's military deployment, etc. Now that the kids are
out of the house, the husband is retired from the military and I'm
pretty much done with college, (I am still working though) I've decided
it's time to take back up the "hobby" I love.

Most of my records are from pre computer days (handwritten or typed). So
I'm keying everything in from scratch. Since I'm starting from a blank
slate so to speak...I'm very interested in the Sources topic. Thank you
Elizabeth for this explanation. I certaily see advantages of both but an
leaning towards doing the "Lumping" type. 

Any insight on both "Lumping" and "Splitting" is greating appreciated.

Thank you all!

Teresa Heple

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wendy
Howard
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 3:22 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources


Hi Elizabeth,

"Lumping" and "splitting" are terms this list has adopted to describe 
two ways of utilising the sources feature of Legacy.

At one extreme end, a splitter will use one Master Source for each 
individual document they come across.  For example, each birth 
certificate sighted for data would have it's own Master Source, each 
page in a census, etc.  This results in many, many Master Sources, but 
also has some advantages over other methods.  In this situation, the 
Detail Source field would only be required in situations such as when 
you wanted to specify the page of a book, or something like that.

At the other extreme, a lumper would have one Master Source called 
something like "Birth Certificates", and use that for every piece of 
data that came from a birth record.  The Detail Source field is used in 
this case to provide information specific to each item.  This results in

fewer Master Source items.

I'm somewhere in-between, having started out as a splitter because I 
didn't realise there were alternatives until I'd been reading this list 
for a while.  I lump different *types* of birth records together, so I 
have one for English birth certificates, one for New Zealand birth 
certificates, another for NZ birth "printouts" (which aren't the same as

certificates, but are the original entries from which certificates are 
produced on order), and so on.  One Master Source for each country that 
I've got material from.  One Master Source for each year and country for

census data.  The information that is common to these items (author, 
title, usually) is recorded in the Master Source, everything else is 
recorded in the Detail Source.

I also have a Master Source called "Private Correspondence", which I use

for letters, emails, etc that I receive from people about my family.  A 
splitter would create a Master Source for each item.

I like my method of being somewhat of a lumper because it is quicker for

me to assign a Master Source when I'm entering data, and if I'm looking 
through the list there isn't a lot to look through (70 at this moment, 
though many of those are from the days when I was working in the 
splitter fashion that I haven't changed yet) and easy to remember what 
I've got there.

However, as has already been mentioned here today, if I make a mistake 
in the Detail Source field for an item and don't notice it until later, 
and I've used that for several pieces of data spread over several 
people, I have to find each one to correct them individually.  Sounds 
drastic, but with the Source Clipboard it is actually very quick to make

the actual correction - it just takes time to locate where that Detail 
Source was used.  And even if you miss one correction and don't notice 
it until you're running a report later, it doesn't take long to copy the

correct entry to the Source Clipboard and paste it where it's needed, 
deleting the incorrect one as well.

There is no "right" answer here for you - just choices to make as to how

you want to proceed.  We can help you by telling you what we do 
ourselves and why we prefer our own methods.  :-)

Hope this helps.

Kind Regards,
Wendy Howard
-- 
Kaiwaka, Northland, New Zealand
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wendyh65/ 
<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Ewendyh65/>

- Original Message -
*From:* Hope Bagot Bees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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*Sent:* 12/30/2007 11:49:41 AM +1300
*Subject:* [LegacyUG] Sources


> Thanks to all this advice.  I mus

RE: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Kirsten Bowman]

Elizabeth:

I'll add a couple of thoughts that would work in conjunction with the other
suggestions and might help to pare the problem down to size:  You could
consider focusing first on sourcing your direct line ancestors.  If a
particular source happens to apply to collateral relatives, then certainly
add it at the same time using the Source Clipboard, but do try to get your
direct line properly sourced to begin with.

Or here's another approach:  Figuring out how to format your sources is
rather a chore.  It may be easier to concentrate on one type of
source--perhaps all of your census records or all of your birth
certificates.  Once you decide on how to format a particular type of source,
it's a little easier and faster to just keep on going with more of the same
type rather than to skip around doing a single census source, then perhaps a
book source, and next a letter source, for example.

How do you eat an elephant?  A bite at a time!

Good luck with your project.

Kirsten

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hope
Bagot Bees
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 2:55 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Sources


Here is a question that I have put-off asking but all this talk of
sources makes me ask it.  I have been interested in family history for
about 45 years and a lot of information is on bits of paper, charts
inherited, etc.  I have used a number of family history programmes on
computer but now use Legacy, having previously used Reunion.  And I now
have to admit that virtually nothing is sourced on Legacy!!

How can I realistically begin to address this problem with over 3000
people in the file?  I have tried to append sources but find it tedious
and confusing to fill in the source data and usually just give up.  I do
realise that this makes my work sadly inadequate as serious information.

Would it be a start to try to get my head around sourcing the
non-standard information.  In other words, if the data comes from a
standard birth, marriage or death certificate or parish register then
leave it un-sourced and concentrate on those bits of information found
in other places - for example a local trade directory or Will or Army
record?

Any advice please?

Elizabeth







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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Kirsten Bowman]

Gail:

My sourcing method is very similar to yours and I agree that it is a major
pain when you find a typo in the Source Detail that's been used for perhaps
a dozen different people and in several fields for each person.  It's
necessary then to locate and correct every individual instance or you can
end up with two versions of the citation in the Source Notes in reports, so
if I'm understanding your suggestion correctly it would be a tremendous
convenience.

What I don't understand is your statement that a given Master Source/Source
Detail combination used multiple times results in multiple copies in the
database.  If the "combo" is identical, but applied to several different
fields and/or individuals, would it not be in the database only once?

Either way, being able to make a global change to any given Master
Source/Source Detail combination would be absolutely wonderful.  If this is
what you're advocating, then I'll certainly add my vote and hope that
Millennia is listening!

Kirsten

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Nestor
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 8:11 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources


Hi Michele, you have hit upon a scenario that is exactly why I hope
Legacy will consider a change in its source formatting.  Your method
is the same as mine for attaching sources to different people and
different facts or events.  Unfortunately, every time we attach a
single source to all these different places, it adds an extra
identical copy of that exact same source in the database.

I wish so much that the source could just be in the database once and
then that same source could be attached as a *link* to all the various
places it needs to go.  It would save so much space and would help
immensely when I find an error I want to correct.  I wouldn't have to
correct 10 duplicate copies.  Instead I would just have the one linked
copy to correct.

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net






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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Hope Bagot Bees]

Hi Wendy

Many thanks - just the explanation needed!  However, at the risk of yet 
more procrastination, I am not going to undertake a major sourcing 
exercise until Legacy 7 is out as I see from another message that this 
will treat sources slightly differently.  In the meantime, I promise 
myself I won't enter ANY detail without a source! 


Elizabeth

Wendy Howard wrote:

Hi Elizabeth,

"Lumping" and "splitting" are terms this list has adopted to describe 
two ways of utilising the sources feature of Legacy.


At one extreme end, a splitter will use one Master Source for each 
individual document they come across.  For example, each birth 
certificate sighted for data would have it's own Master Source, each 
page in a census, etc.  This results in many, many Master Sources, but 
also has some advantages over other methods.  In this situation, the 
Detail Source field would only be required in situations such as when 
you wanted to specify the page of a book, or something like that.


At the other extreme, a lumper would have one Master Source called 
something like "Birth Certificates", and use that for every piece of 
data that came from a birth record.  The Detail Source field is used 
in this case to provide information specific to each item.  This 
results in fewer Master Source items.


I'm somewhere in-between, having started out as a splitter because I 
didn't realise there were alternatives until I'd been reading this 
list for a while.  I lump different *types* of birth records together, 
so I have one for English birth certificates, one for New Zealand 
birth certificates, another for NZ birth "printouts" (which aren't the 
same as certificates, but are the original entries from which 
certificates are produced on order), and so on.  One Master Source for 
each country that I've got material from.  One Master Source for each 
year and country for census data.  The information that is common to 
these items (author, title, usually) is recorded in the Master Source, 
everything else is recorded in the Detail Source.


I also have a Master Source called "Private Correspondence", which I 
use for letters, emails, etc that I receive from people about my 
family.  A splitter would create a Master Source for each item.


I like my method of being somewhat of a lumper because it is quicker 
for me to assign a Master Source when I'm entering data, and if I'm 
looking through the list there isn't a lot to look through (70 at this 
moment, though many of those are from the days when I was working in 
the splitter fashion that I haven't changed yet) and easy to remember 
what I've got there.


However, as has already been mentioned here today, if I make a mistake 
in the Detail Source field for an item and don't notice it until 
later, and I've used that for several pieces of data spread over 
several people, I have to find each one to correct them individually.  
Sounds drastic, but with the Source Clipboard it is actually very 
quick to make the actual correction - it just takes time to locate 
where that Detail Source was used.  And even if you miss one 
correction and don't notice it until you're running a report later, it 
doesn't take long to copy the correct entry to the Source Clipboard 
and paste it where it's needed, deleting the incorrect one as well.


There is no "right" answer here for you - just choices to make as to 
how you want to proceed.  We can help you by telling you what we do 
ourselves and why we prefer our own methods.  :-)


Hope this helps.

Kind Regards,
Wendy Howard




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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Wynthner]

But.. but... but...
Can't this exact thing be accomplished by making the master source:

The Journal-Patriot [microfilm], Wilkesboro, North Carolina
(Wilkes County Community College Library);obituary for John Doe, vol. XXVI, no. 
103, Monday, 20 Nov 1933, page 5

and then adding that to his wife and children?

I really fail to see where the number of Master Sources is important to 
anything as long as I can find them on some sort of list.

Guess I suffer from a very advanced case of spliteritis!



- Original Message 
From: Gail Nestor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 2:18:45 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

Hi Ron and others, I know this is a complicated situation to try to
explain and I think it would mainly benefit those with medium to large
databases and those who lump (who have a master source with lots of
details and apply those same details to multiple people, facts, and
events).  Let me see if an example might help.

I find an obituary for John Doe:

I first create a master source like"
The Journal-Patriot [microfilm], Wilkesboro, North Carolina
(Wilkes County Community College Library)

This master source could be the source for several different peoples'
obits, each of which can apply to many people and/or events.

Now let's say I create a citation detail for one specific article I
find in this newspaper:
obituary for John Doe, vol. XXVI, no. 103, Monday, 20 Nov 1933, page 5

I might want to apply this master source and the source detail to John
Doe's name, birth date, death date, religion, and occupation.  I might
also want to apply this same "master plus detail" to John Does' wife,
parents, and children.

I could use Legacy's source template to copy and paste the master plus
detail combo to all the people and facts.  That would be fine except
that there would be muliple copies of this exact same master plus
detail floating around in Legacy's database.  If I needed to make a
correction to the detail, I would have to "search and replace" the
erroneous portion in every individual copy of this in Legacy.

If the source plus detail were only entered once in Legacy, I envision this:
1) I first select a (previously entered) master source from Legacy
(like I already would now)
2) I then see a drop down box with each previously entered citation
detail choice:

i.e. obituary for John Doe, vol. XXVI, no. 103, Monday, 20 Nov 1933, page 5
obituary for Jane Doe, vol. XXVII, no. 112, Monday, 5 May 1942, page 1
obituary for Baby Doe, vol XXII, no. 74, Monday, 12 February 1921, page 3

3) I would click the one I wanted or I could add a new one
4) I would then click the place to apply the master plus detail (John
Doe's name, Jane Doe's name, John Doe's place of birth, etc.)


The benefit is that you would select the detail to associate with the
master source and then Legacy would create a link to the entire source
set (master plus detail).  You would not have identical copies of
master plus detail like the example below floating around in Legacy
attached to multiple people and/or events.

The Journal-Patriot [microfilm], Wilkesboro, North Carolina
(Wilkes County Community College Library), obituary for John Doe, vol.
XXVI, no. 103, Monday, 20 Nov 1933, page 5

Let's say I have 1 newspaper (one master source) with obituaries for
10 different people, each with his own separate citation detail.  That
would lead to 10 different "master plus detail" combos.  Then let's
say I paste one of these 10 souce combos to 5 people and/or events.
That equates to 5 separate source listings in Legacy.  If each "master
plus detail" combos (that is - one newspaper plus one person's
individual obit detail) could be formed so that a link could be
established between it and a person/fact/event, there would only be 1
source listings instead of 5 as above.

I know this sounds convoluted, but I just feel that if I could talk
with a programmer, I could get this to make more sense.  I once had a
project working with electronic invoicing at a prior job and everyone
thought I was crazy until I finally caught the programmers interest
and we ended up saving a ton of time, money, data storage space, and
many less errors.  It's just very complicated to describe in words!

Anyway, sorry for going on about this as I know it doesn't have any
chance of being included with v7.  However, I do think this idea is
worthy of consideration and hope it makes a tiny bit of sense.

Now I'm off to a movie with Mom and sis while hubby watches the kids!...

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On Dec 29, 2007 2:09 PM, ronald ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Gail,
>
> Please forgive me but I do not understand what you are saying. There is one 
> Master Source which (hopefully) does not need changing and then source 
&g

Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Gail Nestor]

Hi Wynthner, in my specific case, if I split every single obit I found
into its own separate master source, I would have tens of thousands
(if not hundreds of thousands) of individual sources in my files!
That's the "downside" of sourcing everything AND having a
medium-to-large database.

Now let's say I found a typo in the word "Journal" below.  I would
have to go back for every single obit and correct it.  On the other
hand, by "lumping" all articles found in this newspaper into one
master source, I would only have to make one change to the master and
all the individual sources would instantly be fixed.  That's the
beauty of what people refer to as source "lumping."

Also, I can search a specific newspaper (or cemetery, or census year
and county) and very quickly know who all I've found in that paper (or
other master source).  That's, to me, what makes using a database so
powerful!

Hope that all makes sense...

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On Dec 30, 2007 7:52 AM, Wynthner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But.. but... but...
> Can't this exact thing be accomplished by making the master source:
>
> The Journal-Patriot [microfilm], Wilkesboro, North Carolina
> (Wilkes County Community College Library);obituary for John Doe, vol. XXVI, 
> no. 103, Monday, 20 Nov 1933, page 5
>
> and then adding that to his wife and children?
>
> I really fail to see where the number of Master Sources is important to 
> anything as long as I can find them on some sort of list.
>
> Guess I suffer from a very advanced case of spliteritis!
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Gail Nestor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 2:18:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources
>
>
> Hi Ron and others, I know this is a complicated situation to try to
> explain and I think it would mainly benefit those with medium to large
> databases and those who lump (who have a master source with lots of
> details and apply those same details to multiple people, facts, and
> events).  Let me see if an example might help.
>
> I find an obituary for John Doe:
>
> I first create a master source like"
> The Journal-Patriot [microfilm], Wilkesboro, North Carolina
> (Wilkes County Community College Library)
>
> This master source could be the source for several different peoples'
> obits, each of which can apply to many people and/or events.
>
> Now let's say I create a citation detail for one specific article I
> find in this newspaper:
> obituary for John Doe, vol. XXVI, no. 103, Monday, 20 Nov 1933, page 5
>
> I might want to apply this master source and the source detail to John
> Doe's name, birth date, death date, religion, and occupation.  I might
> also want to apply this same "master plus detail" to John Does' wife,
> parents, and children.
>
> I could use Legacy's source template to copy and paste the master plus
> detail combo to all the people and facts.  That would be fine except
> that there would be muliple copies of this exact same master plus
> detail floating around in Legacy's database.  If I needed to make a
> correction to the detail, I would have to "search and replace" the
> erroneous portion in every individual copy of this in Legacy.
>
> If the source plus detail were only entered once in Legacy, I envision this:
> 1) I first select a (previously entered) master source from Legacy
> (like I already would now)
> 2) I then see a drop down box with each previously entered citation
> detail choice:
>
> i.e. obituary for John Doe, vol. XXVI, no. 103, Monday, 20 Nov 1933, page 5
> obituary for Jane Doe, vol. XXVII, no. 112, Monday, 5 May 1942, page 1
> obituary for Baby Doe, vol XXII, no. 74, Monday, 12 February 1921, page 3
>
> 3) I would click the one I wanted or I could add a new one
> 4) I would then click the place to apply the master plus detail (John
> Doe's name, Jane Doe's name, John Doe's place of birth, etc.)
>
>
> The benefit is that you would select the detail to associate with the
> master source and then Legacy would create a link to the entire source
> set (master plus detail).  You would not have identical copies of
> master plus detail like the example below floating around in Legacy
> attached to multiple people and/or events.
>
> The Journal-Patriot [microfilm], Wilkesboro, North Carolina
> (Wilkes County Community College Library), obituary for John Doe, vol.
> XXVI, no. 103, Monday, 20 Nov 1933, page 5
>
> Let's say I have 1 newspaper (one master source) with obituaries for
> 10 different people, each with his own separate citation detail

Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Wynthner]

Hmmm.. why not just directly access the database table itself (rather then the 
Master Source List) and use search/replace to change it?


- Original Message 
From: Gail Nestor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 7:11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

Hi Wynthner, in my specific case, if I split every single obit I found
into its own separate master source, I would have tens of thousands
(if not hundreds of thousands) of individual sources in my files!
That's the "downside" of sourcing everything AND having a
medium-to-large database.

Now let's say I found a typo in the word "Journal" below.  I would
have to go back for every single obit and correct it.  On the other
hand, by "lumping" all articles found in this newspaper into one
master source, I would only have to make one change to the master and
all the individual sources would instantly be fixed.  That's the
beauty of what people refer to as source "lumping."

Also, I can search a specific newspaper (or cemetery, or census year
and county) and very quickly know who all I've found in that paper (or
other master source).  That's, to me, what makes using a database so
powerful!

Hope that all makes sense...

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On Dec 30, 2007 7:52 AM, Wynthner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But.. but... but...
> Can't this exact thing be accomplished by making the master source:
>
> The Journal-Patriot [microfilm], Wilkesboro, North Carolina
> (Wilkes County Community College Library);obituary for John Doe, vol. XXVI, 
> no. 103, Monday, 20 Nov 1933, page 5
>
> and then adding that to his wife and children?
>
> I really fail to see where the number of Master Sources is important to 
> anything as long as I can find them on some sort of list.
>
> Guess I suffer from a very advanced case of spliteritis!
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Gail Nestor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 2:18:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources
>
>
> Hi Ron and others, I know this is a complicated situation to try to
> explain and I think it would mainly benefit those with medium to large
> databases and those who lump (who have a master source with lots of
> details and apply those same details to multiple people, facts, and
> events).  Let me see if an example might help.
>
> I find an obituary for John Doe:
>
> I first create a master source like"
> The Journal-Patriot [microfilm], Wilkesboro, North Carolina
> (Wilkes County Community College Library)
>
> This master source could be the source for several different peoples'
> obits, each of which can apply to many people and/or events.
>
> Now let's say I create a citation detail for one specific article I
> find in this newspaper:
> obituary for John Doe, vol. XXVI, no. 103, Monday, 20 Nov 1933, page 5
>
> I might want to apply this master source and the source detail to John
> Doe's name, birth date, death date, religion, and occupation.  I might
> also want to apply this same "master plus detail" to John Does' wife,
> parents, and children.
>
> I could use Legacy's source template to copy and paste the master plus
> detail combo to all the people and facts.  That would be fine except
> that there would be muliple copies of this exact same master plus
> detail floating around in Legacy's database.  If I needed to make a
> correction to the detail, I would have to "search and replace" the
> erroneous portion in every individual copy of this in Legacy.
>
> If the source plus detail were only entered once in Legacy, I envision this:
> 1) I first select a (previously entered) master source from Legacy
> (like I already would now)
> 2) I then see a drop down box with each previously entered citation
> detail choice:
>
> i.e. obituary for John Doe, vol. XXVI, no. 103, Monday, 20 Nov 1933, page 5
> obituary for Jane Doe, vol. XXVII, no. 112, Monday, 5 May 1942, page 1
> obituary for Baby Doe, vol XXII, no. 74, Monday, 12 February 1921, page 3
>
> 3) I would click the one I wanted or I could add a new one
> 4) I would then click the place to apply the master plus detail (John
> Doe's name, Jane Doe's name, John Doe's place of birth, etc.)
>
>
> The benefit is that you would select the detail to associate with the
> master source and then Legacy would create a link to the entire source
> set (master plus detail).  You would not have identical copies of
> master plus detail like the example below floating around in Legacy
> attached to multiple people and/or events.
>
> The Jour

Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[John Clare]

It would seem to me that the Master source is the Journal-Patriot,
Wilkesboro, North Carolina, US of A. Microfilm is not a source but a method
of holding and Wilkes County Community Library is a place not a source. In
other words, the same Journal will hold the same information if it is held
on paper  and if it is held in a different place.
In the reference to the source, you can then hold the specific reference for
that record. I use it for the Census for instance, giving the Reference in
the Reference record. They all appear happily when the report is printed. I
also use it for the Cemetery reference where I have a lot of people buried
in the same cemetery.
John Clare

On 30/12/2007, Wynthner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hmmm.. why not just directly access the database table itself (rather then
> the Master Source List) and use search/replace to change it?
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Gail Nestor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 7:11:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources
>
> Hi Wynthner, in my specific case, if I split every single obit I found
> into its own separate master source, I would have tens of thousands
> (if not hundreds of thousands) of individual sources in my files!
> That's the "downside" of sourcing everything AND having a
> medium-to-large database.
>
> Now let's say I found a typo in the word "Journal" below.  I would
> have to go back for every single obit and correct it.  On the other
> hand, by "lumping" all articles found in this newspaper into one
> master source, I would only have to make one change to the master and
> all the individual sources would instantly be fixed.  That's the
> beauty of what people refer to as source "lumping."
>
> Also, I can search a specific newspaper (or cemetery, or census year
> and county) and very quickly know who all I've found in that paper (or
> other master source).  That's, to me, what makes using a database so
> powerful!
>
> Hope that all makes sense...
>
> Gail Rich Nestor
> Smyrna, GA
> www.roots2buds.net
>
>
> On Dec 30, 2007 7:52 AM, Wynthner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > But.. but... but...
> > Can't this exact thing be accomplished by making the master source:
> >
> > The Journal-Patriot [microfilm], Wilkesboro, North Carolina
> > (Wilkes County Community College Library);obituary for John Doe, vol.
> XXVI, no. 103, Monday, 20 Nov 1933, page 5
> >
> > and then adding that to his wife and children?
> >
> > I really fail to see where the number of Master Sources is important to
> anything as long as I can find them on some sort of list.
> >
> > Guess I suffer from a very advanced case of spliteritis!
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message 
> > From: Gail Nestor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 2:18:45 PM
> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources
> >
> >
> > Hi Ron and others, I know this is a complicated situation to try to
> > explain and I think it would mainly benefit those with medium to large
> > databases and those who lump (who have a master source with lots of
> > details and apply those same details to multiple people, facts, and
> > events).  Let me see if an example might help.
> >
> > I find an obituary for John Doe:
> >
> > I first create a master source like"
> > The Journal-Patriot [microfilm], Wilkesboro, North Carolina
> > (Wilkes County Community College Library)
> >
> > This master source could be the source for several different peoples'
> > obits, each of which can apply to many people and/or events.
> >
> > Now let's say I create a citation detail for one specific article I
> > find in this newspaper:
> > obituary for John Doe, vol. XXVI, no. 103, Monday, 20 Nov 1933, page 5
> >
> > I might want to apply this master source and the source detail to John
> > Doe's name, birth date, death date, religion, and occupation.  I might
> > also want to apply this same "master plus detail" to John Does' wife,
> > parents, and children.
> >
> > I could use Legacy's source template to copy and paste the master plus
> > detail combo to all the people and facts.  That would be fine except
> > that there would be muliple copies of this exact same master plus
> > detail floating around in Legacy's database.  If I needed to make a
> > correction to the detail, I would have to "search and replace" the
> > erroneous portion in

Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[RICHARD SCHULTHIES]

It is much faster to edit the changes, no matter what
they are, and I am hoping that the L7 sources, will
not need a lot of fixing. But if needed, I will tag
all the Sources and fix one at a time. I
procrastinated in the past, and it took me a long time
to get all my sources 'fixed'. I wish I had been doing
them as I added the people, it has been quite a few
years, and I am still finding documents in my files
not sourced, what a problem I created. I think I have
found them all.
Rich in LA CA

--- Hope Bagot Bees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Wendy
> 
> Many thanks - just the explanation needed!  However,
> at the risk of yet 
> more procrastination, I am not going to undertake a
> major sourcing 
> exercise until Legacy 7 is out as I see from another
> message that this 
> will treat sources slightly differently.  In the
> meantime, I promise 
> myself I won't enter ANY detail without a source! 
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
> Wendy Howard wrote:
> > Hi Elizabeth,
> >
> > "Lumping" and "splitting" are terms this list has
> adopted to describe 
> > two ways of utilising the sources feature of
> Legacy.
> >
> > At one extreme end, a splitter will use one Master
> Source for each 
> > individual document they come across.  For
> example, each birth 
> > certificate sighted for data would have it's own
> Master Source, each 
> > page in a census, etc.  This results in many, many
> Master Sources, but 
> > also has some advantages over other methods.  In
> this situation, the 
> > Detail Source field would only be required in
> situations such as when 
> > you wanted to specify the page of a book, or
> something like that.
> >
> > At the other extreme, a lumper would have one
> Master Source called 
> > something like "Birth Certificates", and use that
> for every piece of 
> > data that came from a birth record.  The Detail
> Source field is used 
> > in this case to provide information specific to
> each item.  This 
> > results in fewer Master Source items.
> >
> > I'm somewhere in-between, having started out as a
> splitter because I 
> > didn't realise there were alternatives until I'd
> been reading this 
> > list for a while.  I lump different *types* of
> birth records together, 
> > so I have one for English birth certificates, one
> for New Zealand 
> > birth certificates, another for NZ birth
> "printouts" (which aren't the 
> > same as certificates, but are the original entries
> from which 
> > certificates are produced on order), and so on. 
> One Master Source for 
> > each country that I've got material from.  One
> Master Source for each 
> > year and country for census data.  The information
> that is common to 
> > these items (author, title, usually) is recorded
> in the Master Source, 
> > everything else is recorded in the Detail Source.
> >
> > I also have a Master Source called "Private
> Correspondence", which I 
> > use for letters, emails, etc that I receive from
> people about my 
> > family.  A splitter would create a Master Source
> for each item.
> >
> > I like my method of being somewhat of a lumper
> because it is quicker 
> > for me to assign a Master Source when I'm entering
> data, and if I'm 
> > looking through the list there isn't a lot to look
> through (70 at this 
> > moment, though many of those are from the days
> when I was working in 
> > the splitter fashion that I haven't changed yet)
> and easy to remember 
> > what I've got there.
> >
> > However, as has already been mentioned here today,
> if I make a mistake 
> > in the Detail Source field for an item and don't
> notice it until 
> > later, and I've used that for several pieces of
> data spread over 
> > several people, I have to find each one to correct
> them individually.  
> > Sounds drastic, but with the Source Clipboard it
> is actually very 
> > quick to make the actual correction - it just
> takes time to locate 
> > where that Detail Source was used.  And even if
> you miss one 
> > correction and don't notice it until you're
> running a report later, it 
> > doesn't take long to copy the correct entry to the
> Source Clipboard 
> > and paste it where it's needed, deleting the
> incorrect one as well.
> >
> > There is no "right" answer here for you - just
> choices to make as to 
> > how you want to proceed.  We can help you by
> telling you what we do 
> > ourselves and why we prefer our own methods.  :-)
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> > Wendy Howard
> 
> 
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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources

[M. Brenzel]

I had a situation that I found where in some source details I had "page"
and in others "Page".  I wanted to make them consistent.  Doing it
through Legacy would have been quite a task.  I opened the database in
Access, found the correct table, created a query of the source detail
field, sorted it and was able to make all of my entries consistent.
Search and Replace was very easy.

I know that this is not something that everyone using Legacy can do,
whether it is because they don't have Access or don't know really how to
use it.  But this was a quick fix for me and I am very happy making
these changes so easily.  

Mary

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gail
Nestor
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 8:11 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

Hi Wynthner, in my specific case, if I split every single obit I found
into its own separate master source, I would have tens of thousands
(if not hundreds of thousands) of individual sources in my files!
That's the "downside" of sourcing everything AND having a
medium-to-large database.

Now let's say I found a typo in the word "Journal" below.  I would
have to go back for every single obit and correct it.  On the other
hand, by "lumping" all articles found in this newspaper into one
master source, I would only have to make one change to the master and
all the individual sources would instantly be fixed.  That's the
beauty of what people refer to as source "lumping."

Also, I can search a specific newspaper (or cemetery, or census year
and county) and very quickly know who all I've found in that paper (or
other master source).  That's, to me, what makes using a database so
powerful!

Hope that all makes sense...

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On Dec 30, 2007 7:52 AM, Wynthner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But.. but... but...
> Can't this exact thing be accomplished by making the master source:
>
> The Journal-Patriot [microfilm], Wilkesboro, North Carolina
> (Wilkes County Community College Library);obituary for John Doe, vol.
XXVI, no. 103, Monday, 20 Nov 1933, page 5
>
> and then adding that to his wife and children?
>
> I really fail to see where the number of Master Sources is important
to anything as long as I can find them on some sort of list.
>
> Guess I suffer from a very advanced case of spliteritis!
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Gail Nestor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 2:18:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources
>
>
> Hi Ron and others, I know this is a complicated situation to try to
> explain and I think it would mainly benefit those with medium to large
> databases and those who lump (who have a master source with lots of
> details and apply those same details to multiple people, facts, and
> events).  Let me see if an example might help.
>
> I find an obituary for John Doe:
>
> I first create a master source like"
> The Journal-Patriot [microfilm], Wilkesboro, North Carolina
> (Wilkes County Community College Library)
>
> This master source could be the source for several different peoples'
> obits, each of which can apply to many people and/or events.
>
> Now let's say I create a citation detail for one specific article I
> find in this newspaper:
> obituary for John Doe, vol. XXVI, no. 103, Monday, 20 Nov 1933, page 5
>
> I might want to apply this master source and the source detail to John
> Doe's name, birth date, death date, religion, and occupation.  I might
> also want to apply this same "master plus detail" to John Does' wife,
> parents, and children.
>
> I could use Legacy's source template to copy and paste the master plus
> detail combo to all the people and facts.  That would be fine except
> that there would be muliple copies of this exact same master plus
> detail floating around in Legacy's database.  If I needed to make a
> correction to the detail, I would have to "search and replace" the
> erroneous portion in every individual copy of this in Legacy.
>
> If the source plus detail were only entered once in Legacy, I envision
this:
> 1) I first select a (previously entered) master source from Legacy
> (like I already would now)
> 2) I then see a drop down box with each previously entered citation
> detail choice:
>
> i.e. obituary for John Doe, vol. XXVI, no. 103, Monday, 20 Nov 1933,
page 5
> obituary for Jane Doe, vol. XXVII, no. 112, Monday, 5 May 1942, page 1
> obituary for Baby Doe, vol XXII, no. 74, Monday, 12 February 1921,
page 3
>
> 3) I would click the one I wanted or I could add a n

Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Mary Figgins]

I am a splitter.  Every source is filed in my file
cabinet under family name then type of record then a
number, such as Dunhaupt-VR-Off-27.  Therefore each
source gets a separate entry in Legacy and refers back
to where the source is filed.  That way if I give a
copy of the database to someone, or a printout and
they want more information about the source, I can
easily pull it to look at and re-evaluate.  Every
source is in order by this.  The source list name
would be:  Dunhaupt-VR-Off-27: Death cert William
Bieger.  The location is also in brackets under
publication to follow through from before there was a
file id space.  It is also in the file id.  That way
it is more likely to be in a printout.

Mary Beth


--- Gail Nestor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Wynthner, in my specific case, if I split every
> single obit I found
> into its own separate master source, I would have
> tens of thousands
> (if not hundreds of thousands) of individual sources
> in my files!
> That's the "downside" of sourcing everything AND
> having a
> medium-to-large database.
> 
> Now let's say I found a typo in the word "Journal"
> below.  I would
> have to go back for every single obit and correct
> it.  On the other
> hand, by "lumping" all articles found in this
> newspaper into one
> master source, I would only have to make one change
> to the master and
> all the individual sources would instantly be fixed.
>  That's the
> beauty of what people refer to as source "lumping."
> 
> Also, I can search a specific newspaper (or
> cemetery, or census year
> and county) and very quickly know who all I've found
> in that paper (or
> other master source).  That's, to me, what makes
> using a database so
> powerful!
> 
> Hope that all makes sense...
> 
> Gail Rich Nestor
> Smyrna, GA
> www.roots2buds.net
> 
> 
> On Dec 30, 2007 7:52 AM, Wynthner
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > But.. but... but...
> > Can't this exact thing be accomplished by making
> the master source:
> >
> > The Journal-Patriot [microfilm],
> Wilkesboro, North Carolina
> > (Wilkes County Community College Library);obituary
> for John Doe, vol. XXVI, no. 103, Monday, 20 Nov
> 1933, page 5
> >
> > and then adding that to his wife and children?
> >
> > I really fail to see where the number of Master
> Sources is important to anything as long as I can
> find them on some sort of list.
> >
> > Guess I suffer from a very advanced case of
> spliteritis!
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message 
> > From: Gail Nestor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 2:18:45 PM
> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources
> >
> >
> > Hi Ron and others, I know this is a complicated
> situation to try to
> > explain and I think it would mainly benefit those
> with medium to large
> > databases and those who lump (who have a master
> source with lots of
> > details and apply those same details to multiple
> people, facts, and
> > events).  Let me see if an example might help.
> >
> > I find an obituary for John Doe:
> >
> > I first create a master source like"
> > The Journal-Patriot [microfilm],
> Wilkesboro, North Carolina
> > (Wilkes County Community College Library)
> >
> > This master source could be the source for several
> different peoples'
> > obits, each of which can apply to many people
> and/or events.
> >
> > Now let's say I create a citation detail for one
> specific article I
> > find in this newspaper:
> > obituary for John Doe, vol. XXVI, no. 103, Monday,
> 20 Nov 1933, page 5
> >
> > I might want to apply this master source and the
> source detail to John
> > Doe's name, birth date, death date, religion, and
> occupation.  I might
> > also want to apply this same "master plus detail"
> to John Does' wife,
> > parents, and children.
> >
> > I could use Legacy's source template to copy and
> paste the master plus
> > detail combo to all the people and facts.  That
> would be fine except
> > that there would be muliple copies of this exact
> same master plus
> > detail floating around in Legacy's database.  If I
> needed to make a
> > correction to the detail, I would have to "search
> and replace" the
> > erroneous portion in every individual copy of this
> in Legacy.
> >
> > If the source plus detail were only entered once
> in Legacy, I envision this:
> > 1)

Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Gail Nestor]

If only I had a copy of Access!  I used it a long time ago quite
extensively, but I only had it at work.  I would buy a copy now, but
can't justify the cost for just this when I want so purchase so many
other genealogy resources.

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net



On Dec 30, 2007 3:47 PM, M. Brenzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I had a situation that I found where in some source details I had "page"
> and in others "Page".  I wanted to make them consistent.  Doing it
> through Legacy would have been quite a task.  I opened the database in
> Access, found the correct table, created a query of the source detail
> field, sorted it and was able to make all of my entries consistent.
> Search and Replace was very easy.
>
> I know that this is not something that everyone using Legacy can do,
> whether it is because they don't have Access or don't know really how to
> use it.  But this was a quick fix for me and I am very happy making
> these changes so easily.
>
> Mary



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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Michele Lewis]

That is way more advanced than me :)  I wish one of you girls was over here 
to help me do stuff like that!


michele

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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources



If only I had a copy of Access!  I used it a long time ago quite
extensively, but I only had it at work.  I would buy a copy now, but
can't justify the cost for just this when I want so purchase so many
other genealogy resources.

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net



On Dec 30, 2007 3:47 PM, M. Brenzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I had a situation that I found where in some source details I had "page"
and in others "Page".  I wanted to make them consistent.  Doing it
through Legacy would have been quite a task.  I opened the database in
Access, found the correct table, created a query of the source detail
field, sorted it and was able to make all of my entries consistent.
Search and Replace was very easy.

I know that this is not something that everyone using Legacy can do,
whether it is because they don't have Access or don't know really how to
use it.  But this was a quick fix for me and I am very happy making
these changes so easily.

Mary




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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Gail Nestor]

Hi John, you're right that microfilm is what holds the paper.
However, I like to consider the microfilm of a record as a separate
source from its original.  There may be subtle differences in the
readability, etc. and I like to differentiate these at the master
source level.

I would also consider an online transcription of a cemetery as a
different source than a photograph I had personally taken during a
personal visit there as I would a photograph of a stone I found online
vs. my own photo.  These differences may all be denoted in the
citation detail instead of the master source, but that was not the
point I was trying to make about sourcing.  It was more of a
computer/data issue.

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
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On Dec 30, 2007 12:34 PM, John Clare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It would seem to me that the Master source is the Journal-Patriot,
> Wilkesboro, North Carolina, US of A. Microfilm is not a source but a method
> of holding and Wilkes County Community Library is a place not a source. In
> other words, the same Journal will hold the same information if it is held
> on paper  and if it is held in a different place.
> In the reference to the source, you can then hold the specific reference for
> that record. I use it for the Census for instance, giving the Reference in
> the Reference record. They all appear happily when the report is printed. I
> also use it for the Cemetery reference where I have a lot of people buried
> in the same cemetery.
> John Clare
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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Valerie Garton]

Richard did you look under the bed ?

Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. 
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SCHULTHIES
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To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources


It is much faster to edit the changes, no matter what
they are, and I am hoping that the L7 sources, will
not need a lot of fixing. But if needed, I will tag
all the Sources and fix one at a time. I
procrastinated in the past, and it took me a long time
to get all my sources 'fixed'. I wish I had been doing
them as I added the people, it has been quite a few
years, and I am still finding documents in my files
not sourced, what a problem I created. I think I have
found them all.
Rich in LA CA

--- Hope Bagot Bees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Wendy
> 
> Many thanks - just the explanation needed!  However,
> at the risk of yet
> more procrastination, I am not going to undertake a
> major sourcing 
> exercise until Legacy 7 is out as I see from another
> message that this 
> will treat sources slightly differently.  In the
> meantime, I promise 
> myself I won't enter ANY detail without a source! 
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
> Wendy Howard wrote:
> > Hi Elizabeth,
> >
> > "Lumping" and "splitting" are terms this list has
> adopted to describe
> > two ways of utilising the sources feature of
> Legacy.
> >
> > At one extreme end, a splitter will use one Master
> Source for each
> > individual document they come across.  For
> example, each birth
> > certificate sighted for data would have it's own
> Master Source, each
> > page in a census, etc.  This results in many, many
> Master Sources, but
> > also has some advantages over other methods.  In
> this situation, the
> > Detail Source field would only be required in
> situations such as when
> > you wanted to specify the page of a book, or
> something like that.
> >
> > At the other extreme, a lumper would have one
> Master Source called
> > something like "Birth Certificates", and use that
> for every piece of
> > data that came from a birth record.  The Detail
> Source field is used
> > in this case to provide information specific to
> each item.  This
> > results in fewer Master Source items.
> >
> > I'm somewhere in-between, having started out as a
> splitter because I
> > didn't realise there were alternatives until I'd
> been reading this
> > list for a while.  I lump different *types* of
> birth records together,
> > so I have one for English birth certificates, one
> for New Zealand
> > birth certificates, another for NZ birth
> "printouts" (which aren't the
> > same as certificates, but are the original entries
> from which
> > certificates are produced on order), and so on.
> One Master Source for
> > each country that I've got material from.  One
> Master Source for each
> > year and country for census data.  The information
> that is common to
> > these items (author, title, usually) is recorded
> in the Master Source,
> > everything else is recorded in the Detail Source.
> >
> > I also have a Master Source called "Private
> Correspondence", which I
> > use for letters, emails, etc that I receive from
> people about my
> > family.  A splitter would create a Master Source
> for each item.
> >
> > I like my method of being somewhat of a lumper
> because it is quicker
> > for me to assign a Master Source when I'm entering
> data, and if I'm
> > looking through the list there isn't a lot to look
> through (70 at this
> > moment, though many of those are from the days
> when I was working in
> > the splitter fashion that I haven't changed yet)
> and easy to remember
> > what I've got there.
> >
> > However, as has already been mentioned here today,
> if I make a mistake
> > in the Detail Source field for an item and don't
> notice it until
> > later, and I've used that for several pieces of
> data spread over
> > several people, I have to find each one to correct
> them individually.
> > Sounds drastic, but with the Source Clipboard it
> is actually very
> > quick to make the actual correction - it just
> takes time to locate
> > where that Detail Source was used.  And even if
> you miss one
> > correction and don't notice it unt

Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Patti Hobbs]

That sounds very good, Gail. I've not been real diligent about my  
sourcing, so I hadn't realized all the problems with extra stuff.  I  
know you're a TNG user also, and it sounds similar to being able to  
connect the media to all the people the media applies to.  It's also  
helpful to hear how people are using the sourcing. I've been going  
through years and years of one newspaper in one location and was  
wondering how I was going to source it.   Your examples helps.


Patti


On Dec 29, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Gail Nestor wrote:


I know this sounds convoluted, but I just feel that if I could talk
with a programmer, I could get this to make more sense.  I once had a
project working with electronic invoicing at a prior job and everyone
thought I was crazy until I finally caught the programmers interest
and we ended up saving a ton of time, money, data storage space, and
many less errors.  It's just very complicated to describe in words!

Anyway, sorry for going on about this as I know it doesn't have any
chance of being included with v7.  However, I do think this idea is
worthy of consideration and hope it makes a tiny bit of sense.





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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Gary Templeman]

I believe the current version of OpenOffice (free) has a database function 
that will open Access database files. No matter what program you use, if you 
want to manipulate your data directly, always work on a copy to be safe.


Gary Templeman

- Original Message - 
From: "Gail Nestor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources



If only I had a copy of Access!  I used it a long time ago quite
extensively, but I only had it at work.  I would buy a copy now, but
can't justify the cost for just this when I want so purchase so many
other genealogy resources.

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net



On Dec 30, 2007 3:47 PM, M. Brenzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I had a situation that I found where in some source details I had "page"
and in others "Page".  I wanted to make them consistent.  Doing it
through Legacy would have been quite a task.  I opened the database in
Access, found the correct table, created a query of the source detail
field, sorted it and was able to make all of my entries consistent.
Search and Replace was very easy.

I know that this is not something that everyone using Legacy can do,
whether it is because they don't have Access or don't know really how to
use it.  But this was a quick fix for me and I am very happy making
these changes so easily.

Mary




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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources

[ronald ferguson]

Gary,

It has and it does. However, there is some question as to whether a change made 
in OOo to an Access DB will be correctly made in the Access MDB format when 
saved in that format by OOo.

I have been intending for some time to do some serious evaluations on this 
point but so far have not managed to find the time - too many hols :-)

Ron Ferguson


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> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources
> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:32:24 -0800
>
> I believe the current version of OpenOffice (free) has a database function
> that will open Access database files. No matter what program you use, if you
> want to manipulate your data directly, always work on a copy to be safe.
>
> Gary Templeman
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Gail Nestor" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 1:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources
>
>
>> If only I had a copy of Access! I used it a long time ago quite
>> extensively, but I only had it at work. I would buy a copy now, but
>> can't justify the cost for just this when I want so purchase so many
>> other genealogy resources.
>>
>> Gail Rich Nestor
>> Smyrna, GA
>> www.roots2buds.net
>>

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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources

[RICHARD SCHULTHIES]

Yes, but the monster under it wouldn't let go.
Rich in LA CA
--- Valerie Garton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Richard did you look under the bed ?
> 
> Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. 
> Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in
> Belfast, Dublin, Wicklow
> & Wexford 
> GOON member No: 4825 for CULLODEN & HIGGINSON
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of RICHARD
> SCHULTHIES
> Sent: Monday, 31 December 2007 5:05 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources
> 
> 
> It is much faster to edit the changes, no matter
> what
> they are, and I am hoping that the L7 sources, will
> not need a lot of fixing. But if needed, I will tag
> all the Sources and fix one at a time. I
> procrastinated in the past, and it took me a long
> time
> to get all my sources 'fixed'. I wish I had been
> doing
> them as I added the people, it has been quite a few
> years, and I am still finding documents in my files
> not sourced, what a problem I created. I think I
> have
> found them all.
> Rich in LA CA
> 
>



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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources

[M. Brenzel]

Keith,
 
Yes, there is!  Go to the Master Source that you want to copy.  Open it
to edit, change to match what you want the new source to be.  When you
"save" it, you will get a dialog box with 2 choices.  Be sure to select
#2 to save it as a new source.
 
Mary
 
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Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 8:56 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: [LegacyUG] Sources
 
I am trying to update my Census Sources (a start!) to follow the Mills
format.  I am finding myself typing the same thing - over and over!  Is
there a way to copy a source - paste the entire thing into the MASTER
SOURCE form and just modifying the year (for example)?? 

Thanks,
Keith

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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[GeoSci]

Thanks!  I KNEW there had to be an easier way - and this group supplied it -
in less than 30 minutes!  GREAT!!

Keith

On Jan 8, 2008 9:13 PM, M. Brenzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Keith,
>
>
>
> Yes, there is!  Go to the Master Source that you want to copy.  Open it to
> edit, change to match what you want the new source to be.  When you "save"
> it, you will get a dialog box with 2 choices.  Be sure to select #2 to
> save it as a new source.
>
>
>
> Mary
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *GeoSci
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2008 8:56 PM
> *To:* Legacy User Group
> *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Sources
>
>
>
> I am trying to update my Census Sources (a start!) to follow the Mills
> format.  I am finding myself typing the same thing - over and over!  Is
> there a way to copy a source - paste the entire thing into the MASTER SOURCE
> form and just modifying the year (for example)??
>
> Thanks,
> Keith
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[RICHARD SCHULTHIES]

The way it works is to create source A, attach it to
at least one person, THEN edit the source ( change at
least one character), when saving it will ask change
or create new?, choose new, add to a person. Repeat.
Rich in LA CA
--- GeoSci <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am trying to update my Census Sources (a start!)
> to follow the Mills
> format.  I am finding myself typing the same thing -
> over and over!  Is
> there a way to copy a source - paste the entire
> thing into the MASTER SOURCE
> form and just modifying the year (for example)??
> 
> Thanks,
> Keith
> 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Bruce Jones]

As Richard mentioned, make sure the original source is attached to at
least one person; otherwise, you will not get the option to save as a
new source after making a change.

On Jan 8, 2008 6:29 PM, GeoSci <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks!  I KNEW there had to be an easier way - and this group supplied it -
> in less than 30 minutes!  GREAT!!
>
> Keith
>
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2008 9:13 PM, M. Brenzel < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Keith,
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, there is!  Go to the Master Source that you want to copy.  Open it to
> edit, change to match what you want the new source to be.  When you "save"
> it, you will get a dialog box with 2 choices.  Be sure to select #2 to save
> it as a new source.
> >
> >
> >
> > Mary
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of GeoSci
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 8:56 PM
> > To: Legacy User Group
> > Subject: [LegacyUG] Sources
> >
> >
> >
> > I am trying to update my Census Sources (a start!) to follow the Mills
> format.  I am finding myself typing the same thing - over and over!  Is
> there a way to copy a source - paste the entire thing into the MASTER SOURCE
> form and just modifying the year (for example)??
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Keith
> >
> > --
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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Jenny M Benson]

June wrote

If you have many sources for something do you enter them all?


I do.

I know "the purists" say you should have at least 3 independent sources 
for every fact.  I'm not that fussy, but I do put in everything I have.

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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Cafi Cohen]

June wrote:
If you have many sources for something do you enter them all?

When my children were baptised there is information via personal knowledge
because I was there, information from the register in the church and then
information from the Baptismal I received. Do I enter them all?

June, YES, you enter them all. Why? Source citation allows you to get to the
most interesting part of genealogy -- EVALUATING THE EVIDENCE. Every event
and relationship in a good family history is supported by a citation, and
ideally, more than one citation from sources independently generated at or
near time of the event by someone with little/no vested interest in the
record. 

Picture future genealogists (who don't know you) reading your family
history. They will assign much more credibility to your child's baptismal
event (and date and place) if it is supported by all three sources because
any single source, no matter how official or personal, can contain blatant
errors. 

IN addition, other researchers may want to check your sources for
themselves, and those sources can lead them to additional records
unavailable to you. If you simply cite "personal knowledge" in your
database, researchers who might take your family history a step further may
never know about your family's connection to a specific church, which -- as
I said -- may yield more information. It is seldom that I say about anything
in my database, "My sources for that are PERFECT -- no need to enter more."

All of this becomes MUCH more important when you have conflicting evidence.
Right now I am working on family of 10 children. Those children's birth,
marriage, and death records cite 3 different maiden names for what appears
to be one mother. The mother's own records cite each of the names as maiden
names. Without scrupulous source citation, I will never sort it all out.   

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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Kirsten Bowman]

June:

I treat these facts in different ways.  With modern events where there is no
question about the date, place, etc., such as those dealing with me
personally, my children, or my parents, I cite a single best source.  With
older events and earlier generations I cite every source available, even (or
especially) the conflicting ones.

Kirsten

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More help needed please

If you have many sources for something do you enter them all?

When my children were baptised there is information via personal knowledge
because I was there,  information from the register in the church and then
information from the Baptismal I received. Do I enter them all?

Thank you

June





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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[agh3rd]

I do, although I may not have them all print in a repost.

To paraphrase a Grand Dame of Society... "You can never be too rich or 
too- or have too many sources"

*GRIN*



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Another thank you to those people who continue to help me with sources. 
I

think I have finally got my head around to the understanding that I need
three pieces of information to prove that something actually did happen 
and

these are what I put in sources. Another question though - If I have 10
pieces (for  example birth certificate, army records, several census
records, marriage records etc) is it common practice to put all of these
records in.

Thank you

June (Chan)


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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Cathy]

Hi June,
I put in all sources I have with the exception that I don't continue 
to add census sources for a name and birth if they haven't added 
anything more AND I already have at least 3 high quality sources. I 
probably should but my source listing is all ready very extensive and 
the census information is elsewhere in the record for that person.


I've remembered another reason I'm more of a "lumper" than a 
"splitter" when it comes to Master Sources. I make some reports with 
just Master Sources in the Source Citation. If people want more 
detail, they are welcome to ask - and already know where they could 
look - just not the actual reference numbers for the census or page 
number in a book etc. But most of my readers aren't interested in the 
sources .


Cathy

At 10:05 AM 27/09/2007, you wrote:


Another thank you to those people who continue to help me with sources. I
think I have finally got my head around to the understanding that I need
three pieces of information to prove that something actually did happen and
these are what I put in sources. Another question though - If I have 10
pieces (for  example birth certificate, army records, several census
records, marriage records etc) is it common practice to put all of these
records in.

Thank you

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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Kirsten Bowman]

June:

Yes to that, too.  It might seem like a lot with the more recent
generations, but with the older ones you will often be very grateful at
finding even one source for a given fact.

Kirsten

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Another thank you to those people who continue to help me with sources. I
think I have finally got my head around to the understanding that I need
three pieces of information to prove that something actually did happen and
these are what I put in sources. Another question though - If I have 10
pieces (for  example birth certificate, army records, several census
records, marriage records etc) is it common practice to put all of these
records in.

Thank you

June (Chan)








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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Jenny M Benson]

June wrote
Another question though - If I have 10 pieces (for  example birth 
certificate, army records, several census records, marriage records 
etc) is it common practice to put all of these records in.


You might not want to use all 10 "documents" as a source for the same 
information.  Some might be a very reliable source for some information 
but not so reliable for others.


You will almost certainly want to use all the sources *somewhere* as 
they will all relate to different aspects of the individual's life and 
add to the overall picture, but not necessarily all of them as sources 
for the same piece of data.


I might find a person appearing on 7 Censuses from 1841 through 1901 and 
every one might indicate the same year of birth.  I would enter all 7 
Censuses as Events  but I would not quote all 7 of them as Sources for 
age and place of birth.

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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Cathy]

Hi Ron,

I assumed June was sourcing a Citizenship Event and had a Master 
Source for Australian Citizenship Certificates or whatever they are 
called - how ignorant I am - and was putting the details for each in 
the Source Detail.
This means that for each child, the Master Source + the source detail 
was printing in the Source Citation list.

That's fine. But June was concerned about the way the Source list was growing.
So I suggested that if they all became citizens on the same day, 
which is likely, the source detail could include the details for all 
of them - the date is common and apart from name and number the rest 
would have the same wording.


Then the Master Source would only print once with the source detail 
that includes the details for all three children. That would be 
shorter than printing the Master Source 3 times.


Cathy

At 07:30 PM 28/09/2007, you wrote:



Cathy,

I ask this just out of interest. Would it not be better to have a 
Citizenship Event and then, perhaps, a Source for each country (Or 
lump it into one) putting the information into the Source Detail - 
or have I misunderstood the question? - I have only had to do it once!


Ron Ferguson
>
> Hi June,
>
> That's right. You could end up with hundreds of sources.
>
> If your children became Australian citizens all on the same day, I'd
> put the information for all of them in the Source Detail and attach
> the Source and Source Detail to each of them. Provided the Source
> detail is identical down to the last space, then it will only print
> once in the source. If you use the Source Clipboard, you ensure that
> they're exactly the same.
> That's what I do with Census sources.
>
> It's also why I'm a lumper so that sometimes I print reports and only
> include the Master Source which gives a good indication of where I
> found the information but not the complete details. Then the Source
> Citations are much shorter. If you are an extreme splitter and make
> each census household a separate Master Source, you can't do that and
> your Source list will always be very long.
> For example, for a 2 generation descendant report, if I just print
> the Master source I have 2 pages of Source Citations, if I include
> the Source Detail and Source Detail text, I have 11 pages of 
Source Citations.

>
> Cathy
>
> At 05:22 PM 28/09/2007, you wrote:
>
>>Apologies for another query regarding sources. I have started to put my
>>source information in and I have previewed a trial ancestor book which
>>correctly shows the numbers and gives a page with the sources on.
>>
>>If I enter Australian Citizenship as a source for each of my children, and
>>in detail put their individual Citizenship numbers it is printing all three
>>in the source list. This could mean I could end up with hundreds 
of sources.

>>Is this correct?
>>
>>Sorry to those people who are fed up with hearing about sources and thanks
>>to those people who have assisted me.
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>June (Chan)





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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources

[ronald ferguson]

Cathy,

I ask this just out of interest. Would it not be better to have a Citizenship 
Event and then, perhaps, a Source for each country (Or lump it into one) 
putting the information into the Source Detail - or have I misunderstood the 
question? - I have only had to do it once!

Ron Ferguson

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> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:04:33 +0800
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources
>
> Hi June,
>
> That's right. You could end up with hundreds of sources.
>
> If your children became Australian citizens all on the same day, I'd
> put the information for all of them in the Source Detail and attach
> the Source and Source Detail to each of them. Provided the Source
> detail is identical down to the last space, then it will only print
> once in the source. If you use the Source Clipboard, you ensure that
> they're exactly the same.
> That's what I do with Census sources.
>
> It's also why I'm a lumper so that sometimes I print reports and only
> include the Master Source which gives a good indication of where I
> found the information but not the complete details. Then the Source
> Citations are much shorter. If you are an extreme splitter and make
> each census household a separate Master Source, you can't do that and
> your Source list will always be very long.
> For example, for a 2 generation descendant report, if I just print
> the Master source I have 2 pages of Source Citations, if I include
> the Source Detail and Source Detail text, I have 11 pages of Source Citations.
>
> Cathy
>
> At 05:22 PM 28/09/2007, you wrote:
>
>>Apologies for another query regarding sources. I have started to put my
>>source information in and I have previewed a trial ancestor book which
>>correctly shows the numbers and gives a page with the sources on.
>>
>>If I enter Australian Citizenship as a source for each of my children, and
>>in detail put their individual Citizenship numbers it is printing all three
>>in the source list. This could mean I could end up with hundreds of sources.
>>Is this correct?
>>
>>Sorry to those people who are fed up with hearing about sources and thanks
>>to those people who have assisted me.
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>June (Chan)

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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Jim Smith]

June:

There are never too many questions about sources, just a number of different
philosophies on how to do the recording.

And in answer to your question, yes, you will end up with hundreds of
sources.  But the way I look at the whole question, is how will someone,
more than likely a family member, know where I got the information.  And I
can tell you that my family, both immediate and extended, is constantly
asking that question... both the left- and the right-brains.

Jim

On 9/28/07, June <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Apologies for another query regarding sources. I have started to put my
> source information in and I have previewed a trial ancestor book which
> correctly shows the numbers and gives a page with the sources on.
>
> If I enter Australian Citizenship as a source for each of my children, and
> in detail put their individual Citizenship numbers it is printing all
> three
> in the source list. This could mean I could end up with hundreds of
> sources.
> Is this correct?
>
> Sorry to those people who are fed up with hearing about sources and thanks
> to those people who have assisted me.
>
> Regards
>
> June (Chan)
>
>
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Tampa, FL 33624
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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Susan Daily]

Ron, It is kind of like sourcing the Social Security Death Index here
in the USA (or any of the GRO vital records in the UK). As soon as you
start being specific in the Source Detail, the sources start to add
up. (I know you know this.) She might only have three Australian
Citizenship sources (three children not hundreds lol), but I think she
was jumping ahead and thinking of everything in total.

Cathy, that is a smart idea about just printing the Master Source and
not the detail for family. I, too, have many many pages of sources
(and I don't even print the text portion of the detail). Thanks for
that good idea. Of course, for the book, I will list them all.

Susan

On 9/28/07, ronald ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thanks Cathy,
>
> I wondered if that was what June was doing. The thing I stll cannot 
> understand is the reference to "hundreds of sources", unless there is  a move 
> to take over Australia :-)
>
> Ron Ferguson



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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources

[ronald ferguson]

Thanks Cathy,

I wondered if that was what June was doing. The thing I stll cannot understand 
is the reference to "hundreds of sources", unless there is  a move to take over 
Australia :-)

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> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:46:39 +0800
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sources
>
> Hi Ron,
>
> I assumed June was sourcing a Citizenship Event and had a Master
> Source for Australian Citizenship Certificates or whatever they are
> called - how ignorant I am - and was putting the details for each in
> the Source Detail.
> This means that for each child, the Master Source + the source detail
> was printing in the Source Citation list.
> That's fine. But June was concerned about the way the Source list was growing.
> So I suggested that if they all became citizens on the same day,
> which is likely, the source detail could include the details for all
> of them - the date is common and apart from name and number the rest
> would have the same wording.
>
> Then the Master Source would only print once with the source detail
> that includes the details for all three children. That would be
> shorter than printing the Master Source 3 times.
>
> Cathy
>
> At 07:30 PM 28/09/2007, you wrote:
>
>
>>Cathy,
>>
>>I ask this just out of interest. Would it not be better to have a
>>Citizenship Event and then, perhaps, a Source for each country (Or
>>lump it into one) putting the information into the Source Detail -
>>or have I misunderstood the question? - I have only had to do it once!
>>
>>Ron Ferguson
>>>
>>> Hi June,
>>>
>>> That's right. You could end up with hundreds of sources.
>>>
>>> If your children became Australian citizens all on the same day, I'd
>>> put the information for all of them in the Source Detail and attach
>>> the Source and Source Detail to each of them. Provided the Source
>>> detail is identical down to the last space, then it will only print
>>> once in the source. If you use the Source Clipboard, you ensure that
>>> they're exactly the same.
>>> That's what I do with Census sources.
>>>
>>> It's also why I'm a lumper so that sometimes I print reports and only
>>> include the Master Source which gives a good indication of where I
>>> found the information but not the complete details. Then the Source
>>> Citations are much shorter. If you are an extreme splitter and make
>>> each census household a separate Master Source, you can't do that and
>>> your Source list will always be very long.
>>> For example, for a 2 generation descendant report, if I just print
>>> the Master source I have 2 pages of Source Citations, if I include
>>> the Source Detail and Source Detail text, I have 11 pages of
>> Source Citations.
>>>
>>> Cathy
>>>
>>> At 05:22 PM 28/09/2007, you wrote:
>>>
>>>>Apologies for another query regarding sources. I have started to put my
>>>>source information in and I have previewed a trial ancestor book which
>>>>correctly shows the numbers and gives a page with the sources on.
>>>>
>>>>If I enter Australian Citizenship as a source for each of my children, and
>>>>in detail put their individual Citizenship numbers it is printing all three
>>>>in the source list. This could mean I could end up with hundreds
>> of sources.
>>>>Is this correct?
>>>>
>>>>Sorry to those people who are fed up with hearing about sources and thanks
>>>>to those people who have assisted me.
>>>>
>>>>Regards
>>>>
>>>>June (Chan)

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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[rarthurrowe]

That is the very reason I put ALL SSNs in double square brackets 
[[xxx-xx-]]. And, any other statement I don't want printed in any report 
[[Aunt Shirley said that Herman was a drunk]].

Bob Rowe
White Bear Lake, MN

-- Original message -- 
From: Robert57P via Gmail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> I'm guessing that the Australian Citizenship numbers are kinda like the 
> U.S.A.s Social Security numbers? 
> 
> With all the identity theft going on now-days, I've wondered about the 
> wisdom of putting these type of numbers in my database (SSN, Drivers Lic, 
> and etc). Yes, they can help in some research and in verifying who is who. 
> But if I send a copy of the database to the "wrong" person by mistake it 
> could be trouble. (Or even sending it to the "right" person but they send 
> it on to someone else without realizing what's in there). And heaven forbid 
> if I post my tree on the internet and forget to mask out these private 
> numbers (of course on the internet I should mask out LIVING folks, but we 
> all make mistakes . . . I just don't like to open myself up to these type of 
> critical (but easy to do) errors that could impact others in my family.) 
> 
> Bob 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Cathy" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 6:04 AM 
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources 
> 
> 
> > Hi June, 
> > 
> > That's right. You could end up with hundreds of sources. 
> > 
> > If your children became Australian citizens all on the same day, I'd put 
> > the information for all of them in the Source Detail and attach the Source 
> > and Source Detail to each of them. Provided the Source detail is identical 
> > down to the last space, then it will only print once in the source. If you 
> > use the Source Clipboard, you ensure that they're exactly the same. 
> > That's what I do with Census sources. 
> > 
> > It's also why I'm a lumper so that sometimes I print reports and only 
> > include the Master Source which gives a good indication of where I found 
> > the information but not the complete details. Then the Source Citations 
> > are much shorter. If you are an extreme splitter and make each census 
> > household a separate Master Source, you can't do that and your Source list 
> > will always be very long. 
> > For example, for a 2 generation descendant report, if I just print the 
> > Master source I have 2 pages of Source Citations, if I include the Source 
> > Detail and Source Detail text, I have 11 pages of Source Citations. 
> > 
> > Cathy 
> > 
> > At 05:22 PM 28/09/2007, you wrote: 
> > 
> >>Apologies for another query regarding sources. I have started to put my 
> >>source information in and I have previewed a trial ancestor book which 
> >>correctly shows the numbers and gives a page with the sources on. 
> >> 
> >>If I enter Australian Citizenship as a source for each of my children, and 
> >>in detail put their individual Citizenship numbers it is printing all 
> >>three 
> >>in the source list. This could mean I could end up with hundreds of 
> >>sources. 
> >>Is this correct? 
> >> 
> >>Sorry to those people who are fed up with hearing about sources and thanks 
> >>to those people who have assisted me. 
> >> 
> >>Regards 
> >> 
> >>June (Chan) 

Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Robert57P via Gmail]

I'm guessing that the Australian Citizenship numbers are kinda like the 
U.S.A.s Social Security numbers?


With all the identity theft going on now-days, I've wondered about the 
wisdom of putting these type of numbers in my database (SSN, Drivers Lic, 
and etc).  Yes, they can help in some research and in verifying who is who. 
But if I send a copy of the database to the "wrong" person by mistake it 
could be trouble.  (Or even sending it to the "right" person but they send 
it on to someone else without realizing what's in there).  And heaven forbid 
if I post my tree on the internet and forget to mask out these private 
numbers (of course on the internet I should mask out LIVING folks, but we 
all make mistakes . . . I just don't like to open myself up to these type of 
critical (but easy to do) errors that could impact others in my family.)


Bob

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From: "Cathy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources



Hi June,

That's right. You could end up with hundreds of sources.

If your children became Australian citizens all on the same day, I'd put 
the information for all of them in the Source Detail and attach the Source 
and Source Detail to each of them. Provided the Source detail is identical 
down to the last space, then it will only print once in the source. If you 
use the Source Clipboard, you ensure that they're exactly the same.

That's what I do with Census sources.

It's also why I'm a lumper so that sometimes I print reports and only 
include the Master Source which gives a good indication of where I found 
the information but not the complete details. Then the Source Citations 
are much shorter. If you are an extreme splitter and make each census 
household a separate Master Source, you can't do that and your Source list 
will always be very long.
For example, for a 2 generation descendant report, if I just print the 
Master source I have 2 pages of Source Citations, if I include the Source 
Detail and Source Detail text, I have 11 pages of Source Citations.


Cathy

At 05:22 PM 28/09/2007, you wrote:


Apologies for another query regarding sources. I have started to put my
source information in and I have previewed a trial ancestor book which
correctly shows the numbers and gives a page with the sources on.

If I enter Australian Citizenship as a source for each of my children, and
in detail put their individual Citizenship numbers it is printing all 
three
in the source list. This could mean I could end up with hundreds of 
sources.

Is this correct?

Sorry to those people who are fed up with hearing about sources and thanks
to those people who have assisted me.

Regards

June (Chan)





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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Cathy]

Hi June,

That's right. You could end up with hundreds of sources.

If your children became Australian citizens all on the same day, I'd 
put the information for all of them in the Source Detail and attach 
the Source and Source Detail to each of them. Provided the Source 
detail is identical down to the last space, then it will only print 
once in the source. If you use the Source Clipboard, you ensure that 
they're exactly the same.

That's what I do with Census sources.

It's also why I'm a lumper so that sometimes I print reports and only 
include the Master Source which gives a good indication of where I 
found the information but not the complete details. Then the Source 
Citations are much shorter. If you are an extreme splitter and make 
each census household a separate Master Source, you can't do that and 
your Source list will always be very long.
For example, for a 2 generation descendant report, if I just print 
the Master source I have 2 pages of Source Citations, if I include 
the Source Detail and Source Detail text, I have 11 pages of Source Citations.


Cathy

At 05:22 PM 28/09/2007, you wrote:


Apologies for another query regarding sources. I have started to put my
source information in and I have previewed a trial ancestor book which
correctly shows the numbers and gives a page with the sources on.

If I enter Australian Citizenship as a source for each of my children, and
in detail put their individual Citizenship numbers it is printing all three
in the source list. This could mean I could end up with hundreds of sources.
Is this correct?

Sorry to those people who are fed up with hearing about sources and thanks
to those people who have assisted me.

Regards

June (Chan)





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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

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That is the very reason I put ALL SSNs in double square brackets 
[[xxx-xx-]]. And, any other statement I don't want printed in any report 
[[Aunt Shirley said that Herman was a drunk]].
   
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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources

[ronald ferguson]

Susan,

Phew! - that's a relief!!

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> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:24:50 -0500
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources
>
> Ron, She might only have three Australian
> Citizenship sources (three children not hundreds lol), but I think she
> was jumping ahead and thinking of everything in total.
> Susan
>
> On 9/28/07, ronald ferguson  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Cathy,
>>
>> I wondered if that was what June was doing. The thing I stll cannot 
>> understand is the reference to "hundreds of sources", unless there is a move 
>> to take over Australia :-)
>>
>> Ron Ferguson

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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Cary]

To merge 2 sources, go to the master source list (view, master lists,
source) highlight the one you do not want to keep and merge it to the one
you do want.  The merge button is at the bottom right of the source list
screen.

I created a source type of "hand drawn chart" for several charts done by
my parents' cousins, which works well for me.  You can create any source
type you want, just make sure it makes sense to you.  This can be done by
typing in what you want instead of selecting a source type from the drop
down list.  Whatever you add will be there as an available source type
from then on unless you delete it.


Cary Stone
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff
Malka
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 6:38 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup
Subject: [LegacyUG] Sources

A few questions about Sources in Legacy.
1) Is there a way to merge 2 imported sources that are the same but had
been entered twice, slightly differently? That is other than manually
changing it every time it appears.

2) in citing a hand drawn family tree whose author is known, what would be
entered as "type"?  Suggestions?

Jeff Malka


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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Alice L McVearry]

If you merge two master sources, do you lose the source details from the
master source that disappears?  -- Alice


> [Original Message]
> From: Cary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Date: 9/13/2006 8:00:12 PM
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sources
>
> To merge 2 sources, go to the master source list (view, master lists,
> source) highlight the one you do not want to keep and merge it to the one
> you do want.  The merge button is at the bottom right of the source list
> screen.
>
> I created a source type of "hand drawn chart" for several charts done by
> my parents' cousins, which works well for me.  You can create any source
> type you want, just make sure it makes sense to you.  This can be done by
> typing in what you want instead of selecting a source type from the drop
> down list.  Whatever you add will be there as an available source type
> from then on unless you delete it.
>
>
> Cary Stone
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff
> Malka
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 6:38 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Sources
>
> A few questions about Sources in Legacy.
> 1) Is there a way to merge 2 imported sources that are the same but had
> been entered twice, slightly differently? That is other than manually
> changing it every time it appears.
>
> 2) in citing a hand drawn family tree whose author is known, what would be
> entered as "type"?  Suggestions?
>
> Jeff Malka




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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Cathy]

Hi Alice,

Only the Master Source section is merged.

That is, if you have two versions of a source attached to an event 
with different detail, when you merge the Master Sources you'll find 
you have two copies of the source attached to that event.


As far as I know there is no quick way to combine source detail.

Cheers,
Cathy

At 08:22 AM 14/09/2006, you wrote:


If you merge two master sources, do you lose the source details from the
master source that disappears?  -- Alice




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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Gene]

Cathy wrote:

Hi Alice,

Only the Master Source section is merged.

That is, if you have two versions of a source attached to an event 
with different detail, when you merge the Master Sources you'll find 
you have two copies of the source attached to that event.


No, merging totally eliminates the second source.  It does not appear 
anywhere after the merge.  I just tried it with a test file.



As far as I know there is no quick way to combine source detail.

In the master source list, open the source you are going to merge into 
the other, copy the details you wish to save, then open the source you 
are going to keep and paste it there.  After you merge you can then edit 
the source to your liking and save it.  It will appear that way any 
place it is cited.



If you merge two master sources, do you lose the source details from the
master source that disappears?  -- Alice



Yes, see above, re; test file.

Gene Y.



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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Alice L McVearry]

Cathy and Gene,

Thanks for the heads up, Gene.  You and Cathy are both right, it's the
terminology that's confusing.  I had to try it myself  using Legacy's
Sample file to try to understand what you were saying. 

I believe you are saying, Gene, that any source information details, such
as Author, Title, and Publication Facts, disappear altogether from the
Source that was merged.  To my surprise that's what happened in my test,
too.  I will definitely remember to make use of the clipboard before and
after the merge of these two sources, which are the same but using a
different words to describe it.  

And Cathy is right, none of the Source Details, such as Detail Information
and Detail Text, is lost in the merge.  That's good to know because I have
hundreds that will be subjected to the merge.  

Thank you both for your help.  -- Alice




> [Original Message]
> From: Gene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Date: 9/14/2006 8:01:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources
>
> Cathy wrote:
> > Hi Alice,
> >
> > Only the Master Source section is merged.
> >
> > That is, if you have two versions of a source attached to an event 
> > with different detail, when you merge the Master Sources you'll find 
> > you have two copies of the source attached to that event.
> >
> No, merging totally eliminates the second source.  It does not appear 
> anywhere after the merge.  I just tried it with a test file.
>
> > As far as I know there is no quick way to combine source detail.
> >
> In the master source list, open the source you are going to merge into 
> the other, copy the details you wish to save, then open the source you 
> are going to keep and paste it there.  After you merge you can then edit 
> the source to your liking and save it.  It will appear that way any 
> place it is cited.
>
> >> If you merge two master sources, do you lose the source details from
the
> >> master source that disappears?  -- Alice
> >
> Yes, see above, re; test file.
>
> Gene Y.




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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Cathy]

Hi Gene,
You've misunderstood me.
I think you are talking about the details of the Master Source.

I am talking about the Source Details/Citation Details, not the 
publication details etc of the Master Source. I took it for granted 
that they were obliterated.


The merge of Master Sources totally eliminates the merged Master 
Source (eg if you merge Source B with Source A - you now only have 
Source A) - BUT it leaves the source details attached to Source B 
intact. The source details from Source B are now attached to the 
Source A. So if you already had Source A and Source B as the source 
to an event, you will now have two Source A's attached to that event 
unless the Source Detail for Source A and Source B were identical.


Copying and pasting the Source Details from one citation to another 
is nothing like as simple as copying the Master Source stuff you want 
to keep from one Master source to the other.


Cathy

 At 07:57 PM 14/09/2006, you wrote:


Cathy wrote:

Hi Alice,

Only the Master Source section is merged.

That is, if you have two versions of a source attached to an event 
with different detail, when you merge the Master Sources you'll 
find you have two copies of the source attached to that event.
No, merging totally eliminates the second source.  It does not 
appear anywhere after the merge.  I just tried it with a test file.



As far as I know there is no quick way to combine source detail.
In the master source list, open the source you are going to merge 
into the other, copy the details you wish to save, then open the 
source you are going to keep and paste it there.  After you merge 
you can then edit the source to your liking and save it.  It will 
appear that way any place it is cited.



If you merge two master sources, do you lose the source details from the
master source that disappears?  -- Alice

Yes, see above, re; test file.

Gene Y.




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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Gene]

Copying and pasting the Source Details from one citation to another is 
nothing like as simple as copying the Master Source stuff you want to 
keep from one Master source to the other.
Actually it is quite simple, however you need Microsoft Access and a 
good working knowledge of the program to do it.  It can be accomplished 
in just a few minutes, but it has taken me over seven years of playing 
with Access to learn how to do it. 


I wish I could explain it simply here, but I would only succeed in 
teaching a lot of people how to trash their files so I think I'll let it be.


Gene Y.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Jeff Malka]

Now you've got us all curious.  Are you saying that Legacy files are really 
Access files or that you export to access and then re-import?

Jeff

-- Original Message --
From: Gene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date:  Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:32:18 -0400

>
>>
>> Copying and pasting the Source Details from one citation to another is 
>> nothing like as simple as copying the Master Source stuff you want to 
>> keep from one Master source to the other.
>Actually it is quite simple, however you need Microsoft Access and a 
>good working knowledge of the program to do it.  It can be accomplished 
>in just a few minutes, but it has taken me over seven years of playing 
>with Access to learn how to do it. 
>
>I wish I could explain it simply here, but I would only succeed in 
>teaching a lot of people how to trash their files so I think I'll let it be.
>
>Gene Y.
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Cathy]

Hi Jeff,

The Legacy data file is an Access 2000 file.

If you know how to use Access, you can manipulate your data in Access 
- but you have to make sure you don't change the database structure. 
It's wise to work on a copy of your file.
You can either open the (copy of the) .fdb file or copy it and change 
the extension to .mdb.


As Gene says, Access takes some learning. Marvellous for those who have learnt.

I restrict myself to simple Search and Replace type operations in 
Access for things I can't do in Legacy - but I know that isn't simple 
for many people.


Cathy

At 09:48 AM 15/09/2006, you wrote:

Now you've got us all curious.  Are you saying that Legacy files are 
really Access files or that you export to access and then re-import?


Jeff




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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[malkajef]

Fascinating.  I just assumed Legacy used a proprietary file format rather 
than something created in an off the shelf database.


Unfortunately I have Access 2002, so I would have to be careful to save any 
changes in 2000 format to avoid problems.


Jeff

Cathy wrote:

Hi Jeff,

The Legacy data file is an Access 2000 file.

If you know how to use Access, you can manipulate your data in Access
- but you have to make sure you don't change the database structure.
It's wise to work on a copy of your file.
You can either open the (copy of the) .fdb file or copy it and change
the extension to .mdb.

As Gene says, Access takes some learning. Marvellous for those who
have learnt.
I restrict myself to simple Search and Replace type operations in
Access for things I can't do in Legacy - but I know that isn't simple
for many people.

Cathy

At 09:48 AM 15/09/2006, you wrote:


Now you've got us all curious.  Are you saying that Legacy files are
really Access files or that you export to access and then re-import?

Jeff




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Re: [LegacyUG] sources

[Patricia Hickin]

I copied it into a 
WordPerfect file, prettied it up with a snazzy b

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Janis 
  Gilmore 
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 9:35 
  PM
  Subject: [LegacyUG] sources
  
  For my census sources I have combined what is 
  presented on the TMG sources videos with what is provided on the 
  ProGenealogist website:
  http://www.progenealogists.com/commoncitations.htm
   
  I find that the combination of the two results in 
  sources that print very close to the Mills standard, tell me all that I need 
  to know, and are more or less formulaic in their entry.
   
  At first it seems like a constant back-and-forth 
  process - from the guidelines to the program. After a bit, it becomes second 
  nature. I feel that my sources look more or less professional, and certainly 
  could guide any reader to the original.
   
  I know everyone needs to find their own thing. 
  After my import from The Master Genealogixt, it has taken me forever to clean 
  up my sources, and I am not nearly done. But I feel fairly satisfied with my 
  direction. (Til the next revelation. Groan, please no.)
   
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  Pawleys Island, SC & Seattle, WA
  www.HowellCountyMo.com
   
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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources - Obits

[Valerie Garton]

I wish I had your problem with even two obits !

Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. 
Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Belfast, Dublin, Wicklow
& Wexford 
GOON member No: 4825 for CULLODEN & HIGGINSON

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Nestor
Sent: Monday, 31 December 2007 12:11 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources - Obits


Hi Wynthner, in my specific case, if I split every single obit I found
into its own separate master source, I would have tens of thousands (if
not hundreds of thousands) of individual sources in my files! That's the
"downside" of sourcing everything AND having a medium-to-large database.

Now let's say I found a typo in the word "Journal" below.  I would have
to go back for every single obit and correct it.  On the other hand, by
"lumping" all articles found in this newspaper into one master source, I
would only have to make one change to the master and all the individual
sources would instantly be fixed.  That's the beauty of what people
refer to as source "lumping."

Also, I can search a specific newspaper (or cemetery, or census year and
county) and very quickly know who all I've found in that paper (or other
master source).  That's, to me, what makes using a database so powerful!

Hope that all makes sense...

Gail Rich Nestor
Smyrna, GA
www.roots2buds.net


On Dec 30, 2007 7:52 AM, Wynthner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But.. but... but...
> Can't this exact thing be accomplished by making the master source:
>
> The Journal-Patriot [microfilm], Wilkesboro, North Carolina 
> (Wilkes County Community College Library);obituary for John Doe, vol. 
> XXVI, no. 103, Monday, 20 Nov 1933, page 5
>
> and then adding that to his wife and children?
>
> I really fail to see where the number of Master Sources is important 
> to anything as long as I can find them on some sort of list.
>
> Guess I suffer from a very advanced case of spliteritis!
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Gail Nestor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 2:18:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources
>
>
> Hi Ron and others, I know this is a complicated situation to try to 
> explain and I think it would mainly benefit those with medium to large

> databases and those who lump (who have a master source with lots of 
> details and apply those same details to multiple people, facts, and 
> events).  Let me see if an example might help.
>
> I find an obituary for John Doe:
>
> I first create a master source like"
> The Journal-Patriot [microfilm], Wilkesboro, North Carolina 
> (Wilkes County Community College Library)
>
> This master source could be the source for several different peoples' 
> obits, each of which can apply to many people and/or events.
>
> Now let's say I create a citation detail for one specific article I 
> find in this newspaper: obituary for John Doe, vol. XXVI, no. 103, 
> Monday, 20 Nov 1933, page 5
>
> I might want to apply this master source and the source detail to John

> Doe's name, birth date, death date, religion, and occupation.  I might

> also want to apply this same "master plus detail" to John Does' wife, 
> parents, and children.
>
> I could use Legacy's source template to copy and paste the master plus

> detail combo to all the people and facts.  That would be fine except 
> that there would be muliple copies of this exact same master plus 
> detail floating around in Legacy's database.  If I needed to make a 
> correction to the detail, I would have to "search and replace" the 
> erroneous portion in every individual copy of this in Legacy.
>
> If the source plus detail were only entered once in Legacy, I envision

> this:
> 1) I first select a (previously entered) master source from Legacy
> (like I already would now)
> 2) I then see a drop down box with each previously entered citation
> detail choice:
>
> i.e. obituary for John Doe, vol. XXVI, no. 103, Monday, 20 Nov 1933, 
> page 5 obituary for Jane Doe, vol. XXVII, no. 112, Monday, 5 May 1942,

> page 1 obituary for Baby Doe, vol XXII, no. 74, Monday, 12 February 
> 1921, page 3
>
> 3) I would click the one I wanted or I could add a new one
> 4) I would then click the place to apply the master plus detail (John 
> Doe's name, Jane Doe's name, John Doe's place of birth, etc.)
>
>
> The benefit is that you would select the detail to associate with the 
> master source and then Legacy would create a link to the entire source

> set (master plus detail).  You would not h

Re: [LegacyUG] Sources etc

[Jenny M Benson]

June wrote
I am trying to come to grips with sources but despite being computer 
literate, and looking at the help files I am just not grasping it. I 
understand the basics of what a source is etc but looking at the 
screens it seems quite hard. Source 1 Source 2 Source 3, Master source 
etc.


Can someone please help me - and I am happy for this to be off list. If 
I give an example of some of the things I have maybe someone could talk 
me through what I should be doing.


I have the original of my marriage certificate - I have entered all the 
details in the marriage section. What else should I be doing?


1  Don't panic and don't let it overwhelm you!

2  Be aware that the reason for recording Sources is so that other 
people (and you!) can see where you found your information and, if they 
wish, check for themselves that your data is accurate.


Imagine a conversation like this:
"My Grandfather was born in England."
"How do you know?"
"I have a letter he wrote to my aunt telling her where he was born."
"I'd like to see that letter:  where is it?"
"It's in drawer 2, folder 3 of my filing cabinet and the place of birth 
is mentioned on page 1 of the letter."


You have just given a complete Source for your information concerning 
your Grandfather's place of birth.


3  Check out the different types of Source mentioned at

http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/tipsSourceSamples.asp

Geoff gives very clear and simple instructions, with illustrations, 
Sourcing several very common items.


4  Start with the easy, straightforward ones, perhaps anything where you 
can more or less copy from Geoff's examples.  When you get used to it 
and get more confident you can tackle the more complex documents.


5  Come back here and ask for more help when necessary. However, 
remember that we all have different ways of doing things, so pick the 
answer that suits *you* best.  You don't have to do anything a 
particular way because someone else said so:  it's *your* file.


6  Remember that Legacy offers you the opportunity to be very precise 
and detailed and professional about your Sources.  You really don't need 
to use every tab every time.


I hope that's helpful.
--
Jenny M Benson



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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources etc

[Mary Young]

Also good advice on Legacy Video Training CD 1 (free to view)
http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Videos.asp
Regards,
Mary Young



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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources etc

[Pat Hickin]

You may want to start with Eliz Shown Mills 4-page citation guidelines and 
then upgrade to her 800+page book!


--
Pat


- Original Message - 
From: "June" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 2:52 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Sources etc



I have had Legacy for several years but have never put in any information
about Sources. I think when I got the programme initially it was just to
keep a record of my family. I have only recently subscribed to this list
(other than logging on when I had a couple of problems and then logging 
off

- mainly because of the amount of mail and I didn't have time to read it
all).

I am now in a position to read all the emails so have subscribed and 
realise

that just about everyone is miles and miles ahead of me and enters things
that I didn't really think necessary.

I am trying to come to grips with sources but despite being computer
literate, and looking at the help files I am just not grasping it. I
understand the basics of what a source is etc but looking at the screens 
it

seems quite hard. Source 1 Source 2 Source 3, Master source etc.

Can someone please help me - and I am happy for this to be off list. If I
give an example of some of the things I have maybe someone could talk me
through what I should be doing.

I have the original of my marriage certificate - I have entered all the
details in the marriage section. What else should I be doing?

I have copies of my great grandfathers army records for a 21 year period. 
I

have entered the information under 2 lots of events - 1 for military
history, 1 for illness (because he had many illnesses) I have typed all 
the

information in the notes section for those events

I have a cutting from a newspaper about my grandfather's funeral. I 
entered
the date of his death because my father told me what it was and then I 
just

rewrote the newspaper articles in the notes section of the buried part.

I am obviously no-where near as advanced as most of you, but after 
spending
years (and a lot of money) getting all the information together I would 
hate

to think that I have missed out entering the information correctly, or if
not incorrectly then in such a way that future people could not find what 
I

have entered.

Do hope that someone can assist.

Thank you

June



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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources etc

[Kirsten Bowman]

Hello June, and welcome to the fray!

I think Jenny Benson's response is about the best you will find on this
subject.  To that I would add just these random thoughts:

Sourcing is not nearly as complicated as it sounds from reading posts to the
list.  Here you're seeing comments from many people who have different
methods for accomplishing the task, and Legacy supports all of these
approaches.  On the list they're all "talking at once" as it were, so
naturally it can sound a little incoherent.

Probably 80% of the people doing family history/genealogy today have kicked
themselves for not being better about recording sources when they started,
so you're in the company of a very large group.

The ultimate objective is to have one or more sources recorded for *every
individual fact or statement* in your database.  It would be surprising if
you got all of this in a perfectly satisfactory format from the beginning.
Many of us have realized at some point that we would rather have sources
arranged, sorted, or formatted differently and have gone back to clean up or
redo.  You can't discover this until you've made a start and see the
results.  As long as you have the necessary source elements recorded
somewhere, you're in pretty good shape to rearrange however you eventually
decide to do it and fortunately Legacy makes some of this rearranging fairly
easy.

Good luck with your project!

Kirsten


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of June
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 11:52 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Sources etc


I have had Legacy for several years but have never put in any information
about Sources. I think when I got the programme initially it was just to
keep a record of my family. I have only recently subscribed to this list
(other than logging on when I had a couple of problems and then logging off
- mainly because of the amount of mail and I didn't have time to read it
all).

I am now in a position to read all the emails so have subscribed and realise
that just about everyone is miles and miles ahead of me and enters things
that I didn't really think necessary.

I am trying to come to grips with sources but despite being computer
literate, and looking at the help files I am just not grasping it. I
understand the basics of what a source is etc but looking at the screens it
seems quite hard. Source 1 Source 2 Source 3, Master source etc.

Can someone please help me - and I am happy for this to be off list. If I
give an example of some of the things I have maybe someone could talk me
through what I should be doing.

I have the original of my marriage certificate - I have entered all the
details in the marriage section. What else should I be doing?

I have copies of my great grandfathers army records for a 21 year period. I
have entered the information under 2 lots of events - 1 for military
history, 1 for illness (because he had many illnesses) I have typed all the
information in the notes section for those events

I have a cutting from a newspaper about my grandfather's funeral. I entered
the date of his death because my father told me what it was and then I just
rewrote the newspaper articles in the notes section of the buried part.

I am obviously no-where near as advanced as most of you, but after spending
years (and a lot of money) getting all the information together I would hate
to think that I have missed out entering the information correctly, or if
not incorrectly then in such a way that future people could not find what I
have entered.

Do hope that someone can assist.

Thank you

June





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