Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
Becky, Here is the advice from Brian in Legacy Support: If you want to submit a suggestion that the family view use direct relationships where possible we are happy to consider suggestions for new features. In Legacy 6.0 and 7.0 you can suggest a new feature by clicking on the link on the Legacy Home Tab Support Section Other users can make a suggestion here: http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Suggest.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Suggest.asp> Use the drop down list in the first box to select a category, Legacy 7 or Legacy Charting. The more of us that make this suggestion, the more likely it will happen, I think that the closest direct relationship needs to be the default. If someone wants simply the closest relationship, that needs to be an option. Unfortunately, as it is now and until they fix this genealogical flaw, we are stuck. Too bad they didn't know tha the direct relationship is crucial whereas the closest is interesting. Do make the suggestion. Carolyn - Original Message - From: beck...@aol.com<mailto:beck...@aol.com> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships I agree completely that the direct relationship should be the one displaying. I reported this a while ago as a bug, I'm sorry to hear that it's part of the programming. If I didn't always set direct line as preferred before I set relationships when I add people to my family tree, I might never have noticed this. I'm sure there are many more of these than the ones I happened upon. Becky In a message dated 2/16/2009 6:14:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wood...@msn.com writes: I have just heard from Brian at Legacy that the program shows the CLOSEST relationship rather than the DIRECT relationship. There is no other option! We need to let Legacy know that what is easier for programmers (CLOSEST) is not what genealogists need (DIRECT). They need to have DIRECT as the default setting with an option for CLOSEST. Carolyn - Original Message - From: Vivian White<mailto:vwhit...@gmail.com> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships And then the problem is compounded when Legacy finds the closest relationship to one person in the marriage. Speaking of Direct Ancestors which should always be grandparents, if it find the closest relationship to one person in the relationship is an aunt/uncle or cousin, then the spouse is Wife/husband of which indicates no blood relationship. If I didn't have Set Direct Relationship as Preferred, I would never know by looking at the relationship printed that the person was my grandparent. There must be a way to correct this, as I have used many other programs and they do display and calculate the relationship correctly. Viv On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 1:26 PM, CE WOOD mailto:wood...@msn.com>> wrote: > The problem is that there is no way to have the program show the DIRECT line > rather than the CLOSEST line. When set to Set Relationships at 1, the > CLOSEST relationship is returned rather than the preferred DIRECT > relationship. > > The DIRECT relationship should be the default. CLOSEST relationship should > be an available OPTION. > > Carolyn > >> If the program "knows" the she is my grandmother, why does it display >> the aunt relationship on the family screen? I'm thinking it is finding >> the closest relationship which is the 12th great grandaunt instead of >> the logical 14th great grand mother. > > > Because you asked it to. Quoting your first message on this thread: > "First, I have set Set direct line as preferred, Set Relationships is at > 20." > > It is reporting ALL relationships up to 20, as you asked it to do. > > -- > Gene Y. > n2kvs > Researching Young, Zies, Harer & Cox with > Legacy Family Tree > http://h1.ripway.com/egptech/<http://h1.ripway.com/egptech/> > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp> > Archived messages: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/<http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/> > Online technical support: http://www.Lega
Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
That will be quite a trick if he can talk to them at the family reunion ;-) Gary - Original Message - From: "ronald ferguson" To: Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 4:41 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships That's fine, Art, but how do you work it out for your 10th great uncle/aunt and their spouses? Ron Ferguson _ From: ased...@artseddon.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:36:21 -0800 Right, Gary. All my aunts and uncles, whether by blood or marriage, were always called aunt and uncle without reference to how connected. But we knew that (for instance) "Uncle Gilbert" was my mother's brother and his wife "Aunt Ruby" was not directly related but was accepted into the family by marriage. At family gatherings nobody checked with a lawyer or genealogist. We loved them both. Art Seddon Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
H . . . it sounds like some folks have mighty tangled ancestries. Wanna borrow mine? I have not yet discovered any dual relationships. ;) ;) ;) Vivian White wrote: Richard, Except that the wife of your x-2 granduncle will be shown as the Wife of x-2 granduncle which signifies no blood relationship. The correct designation for her is your 27th Great grandmother because she is related to you. Vivian On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Richard Van Wasshnova wrote: I also noticed such instances of xgreat-grandfather being identified as x-2 great-granduncle but I realized that genetically an x-2 great-granduncle is closer than xgreat-grandfather so it is not wrong. If one sibling is your 27th GGF and another is your 25th GGF the 27th GGF is also your 25th GGUncle which is actually closer. -- Richard Van Wasshnova Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1949 - Release Date: 02/12/09 11:34:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
Which I agreed is as it should be. Gary - Original Message - From: "CE WOOD" To: Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships It is most certainly the practice in my family to call them simply Aunt and Uncle. We are talking here, however, about the blood relationships. The Uncle, in your case, is Uncle by blood, whereas the Aunt is Aunt by marriage. That is the case where the genealogical designation is wife of Uncle. Carolyn - Original Message - From: Gary Templeman<mailto:gtemplem...@comcast.net> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships - Original Message - From: "Art Seddon" mailto:ased...@artseddon.com>> To: mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com>> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships > Gary Templeman correctly writes: > > Hogwash. The Grand Uncle (or Aunt) is a brother (or sister) to one of his > grandgathers or grandmothers. Whether the Uncle or Aunt has any children > or > not is irrelevent. My brother is still an Uncle, and related to, my > children > even though he has none of his own. > > Gary Templeman > > But your brother's wife is your childrens aunt only by marriage and should > be listed as the uncle's wife. > > Right? > > Art Seddon > > I would think from a genealogical perspective that would be correct. When we go to visit however, my children address them as Uncle and Aunt, not Uncle and his wife. I don't know if that casual vernacular is the pattern in all families or other parts of the world however. Gary Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp> Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/<http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/> Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp> To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp> Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
I'd say that for record keeping the blood relative is an aunt ot uncle and the relative by marriage is spouse of..., jus tlike Legacy shows. Art - Original Message - From: ronald ferguson To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 4:41 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships That's fine, Art, but how do you work it out for your 10th great uncle/aunt and their spouses? Ron Ferguson _ *New* Improved Interface for OpenOffice.org Contacts Database http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ > From: ased...@artseddon.com > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships > Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:36:21 -0800 > > Right, Gary. > > All my aunts and uncles, whether by blood or marriage, were always called > aunt and uncle without reference to how connected. But we knew that (for > instance) "Uncle Gilbert" was my mother's brother and his wife "Aunt Ruby" > was not directly related but was accepted into the family by marriage. > > At family gatherings nobody checked with a lawyer or genealogist. We loved > them both. > > Art Seddon > > - Original Message - > From: Gary Templeman > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 7:10 AM > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships > > > From: "Art Seddon" >> Gary Templeman correctly writes: >> >> Hogwash. The Grand Uncle (or Aunt) is a brother (or sister) to one of his >> grandgathers or grandmothers. Whether the Uncle or Aunt has any children >> or >> not is irrelevent. My brother is still an Uncle, and related to, my >> children >> even though he has none of his own. >> >> Gary Templeman >> >> But your brother's wife is your childrens aunt only by marriage and >> should >> be listed as the uncle's wife. >> >> Right? >> >> Art Seddon >> >> > > I would think from a genealogical perspective that would be correct. When > we > go to visit however, my children address them as Uncle and Aunt, not Uncle > and his wife. I don't know if that casual vernacular is the pattern in all > families or other parts of the world however. > > Gary _ Love Hotmail? Check out the new services from Windows Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/132630768/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
Richard, Except that the wife of your x-2 granduncle will be shown as the Wife of x-2 granduncle which signifies no blood relationship. The correct designation for her is your 27th Great grandmother because she is related to you. Vivian On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Richard Van Wasshnova wrote: > I also noticed such instances of xgreat-grandfather being identified > as x-2 great-granduncle but I realized that genetically an x-2 > great-granduncle is closer than xgreat-grandfather so it is not wrong. > If one sibling is your 27th GGF and another is your 25th GGF the 27th > GGF is also your 25th GGUncle which is actually closer. > -- > Richard Van Wasshnova Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
I also noticed such instances of xgreat-grandfather being identified as x-2 great-granduncle but I realized that genetically an x-2 great-granduncle is closer than xgreat-grandfather so it is not wrong. If one sibling is your 27th GGF and another is your 25th GGF the 27th GGF is also your 25th GGUncle which is actually closer. -- Richard Van Wasshnova http://www.gencircles.com/users/vanwasshnova http://gw.geneanet.org/vanwasshnova On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 1:02 PM, CE WOOD wrote: > Unfortunately, this is not the case. Direct ancestors are not being > identified correctly, such as my 27th GGF. His mother is shown as my 24th > GGA; his father as my 2nd cousin 23 times removed, and Relationship > Calculator says there is no relationship between father and son, between > mother and son, or between husband and wife! > > And that's just one of the messed up ones. It also happens as close as my > 6th GGParents! > > Brian is now working on it, but if anyone else is having problems with > incorrect relationships, it would help them find the bug. > > Carolyn Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
That's fine, Art, but how do you work it out for your 10th great uncle/aunt and their spouses? Ron Ferguson _ *New* Improved Interface for OpenOffice.org Contacts Database http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ > From: ased...@artseddon.com > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships > Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:36:21 -0800 > > Right, Gary. > > All my aunts and uncles, whether by blood or marriage, were always called > aunt and uncle without reference to how connected. But we knew that (for > instance) "Uncle Gilbert" was my mother's brother and his wife "Aunt Ruby" > was not directly related but was accepted into the family by marriage. > > At family gatherings nobody checked with a lawyer or genealogist. We loved > them both. > > Art Seddon > > - Original Message - > From: Gary Templeman > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 7:10 AM > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships > > > From: "Art Seddon" >> Gary Templeman correctly writes: >> >> Hogwash. The Grand Uncle (or Aunt) is a brother (or sister) to one of his >> grandgathers or grandmothers. Whether the Uncle or Aunt has any children >> or >> not is irrelevent. My brother is still an Uncle, and related to, my >> children >> even though he has none of his own. >> >> Gary Templeman >> >> But your brother's wife is your childrens aunt only by marriage and should >> be listed as the uncle's wife. >> >> Right? >> >> Art Seddon >> >> > > I would think from a genealogical perspective that would be correct. When we > go to visit however, my children address them as Uncle and Aunt, not Uncle > and his wife. I don't know if that casual vernacular is the pattern in all > families or other parts of the world however. > > Gary _ Love Hotmail? Check out the new services from Windows Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/132630768/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
I agree completely that the direct relationship should be the one displaying. I reported this a while ago as a bug, I'm sorry to hear that it's part of the programming. If I didn't always set direct line as preferred before I set relationships when I add people to my family tree, I might never have noticed this. I'm sure there are many more of these than the ones I happened upon. Becky In a message dated 2/16/2009 6:14:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wood...@msn.com writes: I have just heard from Brian at Legacy that the program shows the CLOSEST relationship rather than the DIRECT relationship. There is no other option! We need to let Legacy know that what is easier for programmers (CLOSEST) is not what genealogists need (DIRECT). They need to have DIRECT as the default setting with an option for CLOSEST. Carolyn - Original Message - From: _Vivian White_ (mailto:vwhit...@gmail.com) To: _legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com_ (mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com) Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships And then the problem is compounded when Legacy finds the closest relationship to one person in the marriage. Speaking of Direct Ancestors which should always be grandparents, if it find the closest relationship to one person in the relationship is an aunt/uncle or cousin, then the spouse is Wife/husband of which indicates no blood relationship. If I didn't have Set Direct Relationship as Preferred, I would never know by looking at the relationship printed that the person was my grandparent. There must be a way to correct this, as I have used many other programs and they do display and calculate the relationship correctly. Viv On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 1:26 PM, CE WOOD <_wood...@msn.com_ (mailto:wood...@msn.com) > wrote: > The problem is that there is no way to have the program show the DIRECT line > rather than the CLOSEST line. When set to Set Relationships at 1, the > CLOSEST relationship is returned rather than the preferred DIRECT > relationship. > > The DIRECT relationship should be the default. CLOSEST relationship should > be an available OPTION. > > Carolyn > >> If the program "knows" the she is my grandmother, why does it display >> the aunt relationship on the family screen? I'm thinking it is finding >> the closest relationship which is the 12th great grandaunt instead of >> the logical 14th great grand mother. > > > Because you asked it to. Quoting your first message on this thread: > "First, I have set Set direct line as preferred, Set Relationships is at > 20." > > It is reporting ALL relationships up to 20, as you asked it to do. > > -- > Gene Y. > n2kvs > Researching Young, Zies, Harer & Cox with > Legacy Family Tree > _http://h1.ripway.com/egptech/_ (http://h1.ripway.com/egptech/) > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: >_http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp_ (http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp) > Archived messages: >_http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/_ (http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/) > Online technical support: _http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp_ (http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp) > To unsubscribe: _http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp_ (http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp) > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: >_http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp_ (http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp) > Archived messages: >_http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/_ (http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/) > Online technical support: _http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp_ (http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp) > To unsubscribe: _http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp_ (http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp) Legacy User Group guidelines: _http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp_ (http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp) Archived messages: _http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/_ (http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/) Online technical support: _http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp_ (http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp) To unsubscribe: _http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp_ (http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp) Legacy User Group guidelines: _http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp_ (http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp) Archived messages: _http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/_ (http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@le
Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
Right, Gary. All my aunts and uncles, whether by blood or marriage, were always called aunt and uncle without reference to how connected. But we knew that (for instance) "Uncle Gilbert" was my mother's brother and his wife "Aunt Ruby" was not directly related but was accepted into the family by marriage. At family gatherings nobody checked with a lawyer or genealogist. We loved them both. Art Seddon - Original Message - From: Gary Templeman To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships From: "Art Seddon" > Gary Templeman correctly writes: > > Hogwash. The Grand Uncle (or Aunt) is a brother (or sister) to one of his > grandgathers or grandmothers. Whether the Uncle or Aunt has any children > or > not is irrelevent. My brother is still an Uncle, and related to, my > children > even though he has none of his own. > > Gary Templeman > > But your brother's wife is your childrens aunt only by marriage and should > be listed as the uncle's wife. > > Right? > > Art Seddon > > I would think from a genealogical perspective that would be correct. When we go to visit however, my children address them as Uncle and Aunt, not Uncle and his wife. I don't know if that casual vernacular is the pattern in all families or other parts of the world however. Gary Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
I have just heard from Brian at Legacy that the program shows the CLOSEST relationship rather than the DIRECT relationship. There is no other option! We need to let Legacy know that what is easier for programmers (CLOSEST) is not what genealogists need (DIRECT). They need to have DIRECT as the default setting with an option for CLOSEST. Carolyn - Original Message - From: Vivian White<mailto:vwhit...@gmail.com> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships And then the problem is compounded when Legacy finds the closest relationship to one person in the marriage. Speaking of Direct Ancestors which should always be grandparents, if it find the closest relationship to one person in the relationship is an aunt/uncle or cousin, then the spouse is Wife/husband of which indicates no blood relationship. If I didn't have Set Direct Relationship as Preferred, I would never know by looking at the relationship printed that the person was my grandparent. There must be a way to correct this, as I have used many other programs and they do display and calculate the relationship correctly. Viv On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 1:26 PM, CE WOOD mailto:wood...@msn.com>> wrote: > The problem is that there is no way to have the program show the DIRECT line > rather than the CLOSEST line. When set to Set Relationships at 1, the > CLOSEST relationship is returned rather than the preferred DIRECT > relationship. > > The DIRECT relationship should be the default. CLOSEST relationship should > be an available OPTION. > > Carolyn > >> If the program "knows" the she is my grandmother, why does it display >> the aunt relationship on the family screen? I'm thinking it is finding >> the closest relationship which is the 12th great grandaunt instead of >> the logical 14th great grand mother. > > > Because you asked it to. Quoting your first message on this thread: > "First, I have set Set direct line as preferred, Set Relationships is at > 20." > > It is reporting ALL relationships up to 20, as you asked it to do. > > -- > Gene Y. > n2kvs > Researching Young, Zies, Harer & Cox with > Legacy Family Tree > http://h1.ripway.com/egptech/<http://h1.ripway.com/egptech/> > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp> > Archived messages: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/<http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/> > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp> > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp> > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp> > Archived messages: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/<http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/> > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp> > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp> Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp> Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/<http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/> Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp> To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp> Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
And then the problem is compounded when Legacy finds the closest relationship to one person in the marriage. Speaking of Direct Ancestors which should always be grandparents, if it find the closest relationship to one person in the relationship is an aunt/uncle or cousin, then the spouse is Wife/husband of which indicates no blood relationship. If I didn't have Set Direct Relationship as Preferred, I would never know by looking at the relationship printed that the person was my grandparent. There must be a way to correct this, as I have used many other programs and they do display and calculate the relationship correctly. Viv On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 1:26 PM, CE WOOD wrote: > The problem is that there is no way to have the program show the DIRECT line > rather than the CLOSEST line. When set to Set Relationships at 1, the > CLOSEST relationship is returned rather than the preferred DIRECT > relationship. > > The DIRECT relationship should be the default. CLOSEST relationship should > be an available OPTION. > > Carolyn > >> If the program "knows" the she is my grandmother, why does it display >> the aunt relationship on the family screen? I'm thinking it is finding >> the closest relationship which is the 12th great grandaunt instead of >> the logical 14th great grand mother. > > > Because you asked it to. Quoting your first message on this thread: > "First, I have set Set direct line as preferred, Set Relationships is at > 20." > > It is reporting ALL relationships up to 20, as you asked it to do. > > -- > Gene Y. > n2kvs > Researching Young, Zies, Harer & Cox with > Legacy Family Tree > http://h1.ripway.com/egptech/ > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages: >http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
The problem is that there is no way to have the program show the DIRECT line rather than the CLOSEST line. When set to Set Relationships at 1, the CLOSEST relationship is returned rather than the preferred DIRECT relationship. The DIRECT relationship should be the default. CLOSEST relationship should be an available OPTION. Carolyn - Original Message - From: Gene Young<mailto:n2...@cfl.rr.com> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 4:40 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships Vivian White wrote: > > If the program "knows" the she is my grandmother, why does it display > the aunt relationship on the family screen? I'm thinking it is finding > the closest relationship which is the 12th great grandaunt instead of > the logical 14th great grand mother. Because you asked it to. Quoting your first message on this thread: "First, I have set Set direct line as preferred, Set Relationships is at 20." It is reporting ALL relationships up to 20, as you asked it to do. -- Gene Y. n2kvs Researching Young, Zies, Harer & Cox with Legacy Family Tree http://h1.ripway.com/egptech/<http://h1.ripway.com/egptech/> Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp> Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/<http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/> Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp> To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp> Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
I sent a zip of my file to Brian. We'll see. One of the reasons I brought this question to the list was because I saw that the problem has been around for TEN years, and they keep saying they will talk to the programmers about it. We KNOW it can be solved because OTHER programs do it. At first I thought it was because of all the intermarriages when going way back, but then I found it in a 6th GGF and GGM! So far, the only way I have found to SOMETIMES determine the relationship between people is to Set Relationships on the ancestor I KNOW is a direct ancestor even when Legacy says he/she isn't. Sometimes, and ONLY sometimes, the relationship is then correct. It is refreshing to have Legacy tell me that a father and mother ARE related to their child! Let's hope Legacy finally fixes this! It is a royal pain to be forced to buy other programs because they won't fix this. I do much medieval genealogy and have been promoting Legacy to several erudite persons and organizations, but this is a deal-breaker for professional genealogists. Carolyn - Original Message - From: Mike<mailto:genealo...@gmail.com> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 8:13 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships Can we get someone from Legacy to weigh in on this. I have had the same problems with incorrect and 1/2 relations since switching to Legacy at V5 and continuing thru V7 and have reported them on the three releases I have used. All I ever get is we will let the programmers know. I have sent e-mails to support asking for updates on this problem in the past and they seem to go into the bit bucket, because no one ever replies. Is this truly on a fix list and if so, is it being worked on and when can we expect a fix? Sorry in advance for venting on the list, but this problem has been around for some time and has not been resolved. Mike Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp> Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/<http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/> Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp> To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp> Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
It is most certainly the practice in my family to call them simply Aunt and Uncle. We are talking here, however, about the blood relationships. The Uncle, in your case, is Uncle by blood, whereas the Aunt is Aunt by marriage. That is the case where the genealogical designation is wife of Uncle. Carolyn - Original Message - From: Gary Templeman<mailto:gtemplem...@comcast.net> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships - Original Message - From: "Art Seddon" mailto:ased...@artseddon.com>> To: mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com>> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships > Gary Templeman correctly writes: > > Hogwash. The Grand Uncle (or Aunt) is a brother (or sister) to one of his > grandgathers or grandmothers. Whether the Uncle or Aunt has any children > or > not is irrelevent. My brother is still an Uncle, and related to, my > children > even though he has none of his own. > > Gary Templeman > > But your brother's wife is your childrens aunt only by marriage and should > be listed as the uncle's wife. > > Right? > > Art Seddon > > I would think from a genealogical perspective that would be correct. When we go to visit however, my children address them as Uncle and Aunt, not Uncle and his wife. I don't know if that casual vernacular is the pattern in all families or other parts of the world however. Gary Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp> Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/<http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/> Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp> To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp> Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
Can we get someone from Legacy to weigh in on this. I have had the same problems with incorrect and 1/2 relations since switching to Legacy at V5 and continuing thru V7 and have reported them on the three releases I have used. All I ever get is we will let the programmers know. I have sent e-mails to support asking for updates on this problem in the past and they seem to go into the bit bucket, because no one ever replies. Is this truly on a fix list and if so, is it being worked on and when can we expect a fix? Sorry in advance for venting on the list, but this problem has been around for some time and has not been resolved. Mike Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Gene, That is apparently *not* the case. I tried again and set the relationships to 1. Legacy has to have a number. Now the people shown in the example are my direct ancestors. They should be my grandparents. The changes are indicated with **. It is even worse, as some now don't appear as though they are even related. 25th grandfather (RC 25, 28, 31, 32 great grandfather) 25th grandmother (RC 25, 28, 31, 32, 33 great grandmother) Child 24th great uncle (no wife known) (RC 30, 31, 32 great grandfather) Child 1st cousin 25 times removed (29, 30, 31 great grandmother ** now Wife of 24th great uncle m. to 24th great uncle (29, 30, 31 great grandfather) Child 1st cousin 25 times removed (RC 28, 29, 30 great grandmother) **now wife of 24th great granduncle m. to 24th great uncle (RC 28, 29, 30 great grandfather) (the above is not accidentally repeated) Child 27th great grandfather The rest are all correct. Viv Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
- Original Message - From: "Art Seddon" To: Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships Gary Templeman correctly writes: Hogwash. The Grand Uncle (or Aunt) is a brother (or sister) to one of his grandgathers or grandmothers. Whether the Uncle or Aunt has any children or not is irrelevent. My brother is still an Uncle, and related to, my children even though he has none of his own. Gary Templeman But your brother's wife is your childrens aunt only by marriage and should be listed as the uncle's wife. Right? Art Seddon I would think from a genealogical perspective that would be correct. When we go to visit however, my children address them as Uncle and Aunt, not Uncle and his wife. I don't know if that casual vernacular is the pattern in all families or other parts of the world however. Gary Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
Vivian White wrote: If the program "knows" the she is my grandmother, why does it display the aunt relationship on the family screen? I'm thinking it is finding the closest relationship which is the 12th great grandaunt instead of the logical 14th great grand mother. Because you asked it to. Quoting your first message on this thread: "First, I have set Set direct line as preferred, Set Relationships is at 20." It is reporting ALL relationships up to 20, as you asked it to do. -- Gene Y. n2kvs Researching Young, Zies, Harer & Cox with Legacy Family Tree http://h1.ripway.com/egptech/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
Here is a weird one I'm looking at right now 14th great grandfather Eivind Arnbjornson m. to 12th great aunt Koll Great aunt Koll's father is shown as 13th great grandfather and I am a direct descendant of 2 of his children. Eivind's father is correctly shown as my 15th great grandfather and I am also a direct descendant of 2 of his children. Eivind and wife Koll had one child and he is correctly listed as 13th great grandfather. Now, when I use the relationship calculator for Grandma Koll, it shows that she is my 14th great grandmother and 12th great grandaunt. If the program "knows" the she is my grandmother, why does it display the aunt relationship on the family screen? I'm thinking it is finding the closest relationship which is the 12th great grandaunt instead of the logical 14th great grand mother. Viv On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Art Seddon wrote: > Gary Templeman correctly writes: > > Hogwash. The Grand Uncle (or Aunt) is a brother (or sister) to one of his > grandgathers or grandmothers. Whether the Uncle or Aunt has any children or > not is irrelevent. My brother is still an Uncle, and related to, my children > even though he has none of his own. > > Gary Templeman > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
Gary Templeman correctly writes: Hogwash. The Grand Uncle (or Aunt) is a brother (or sister) to one of his grandgathers or grandmothers. Whether the Uncle or Aunt has any children or not is irrelevent. My brother is still an Uncle, and related to, my children even though he has none of his own. Gary Templeman But your brother's wife is your childrens aunt only by marriage and should be listed as the uncle's wife. Right? Art Seddon Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
I have just about everything, but Roots Magic does a nice job. (Sorry, Legacy. I wish your program did too). Viv On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 8:51 PM, CE WOOD wrote: > What program do you use for creating the relationship reports? > > Carolyn Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
What program do you use for creating the relationship reports? Carolyn - Original Message - From: Vivian White<mailto:vwhit...@gmail.com> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships The relationship calculator is all messed up. I have 10th great grandparents only married to each other, never married to anyone else, that show with one side being the grandparent, the other wife of grandfather. This happens in multiple places and instances. In some places where there has been a second marriage I have been able to fix some by changing the preferred status of the spouses but that doesn't always work. The relationship calculator doesn't show 1/2 relationships either. Can't figure out why. I too wish that this would be fixed, as I must use a second program to send send out relationship reports. It is more than a little frustrating. Viv > > > The Grand Uncle (or Aunt) must have a child to be related to you. It is their child. If the Grand Uncle and Aunt are the biological parents, they should be designated as the Grand Uncle and Aunt. If one of them is a step-parent of the child, then he/she might be designated as the husband/wife of the Grand Uncle/Aunt. If that step-parent were related through a different family line, then, he/she would NOT be designated as merely husband or wife, but as, say, a 2nd cousin once removed (for instance) or whatever the relationship is through THAT line. > > The designation husband/wife is normally used when the spouse is not related in any other way to whomever. > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp> Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/<http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/> Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp> To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp> Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
The relationship calculator is all messed up. I have 10th great grandparents only married to each other, never married to anyone else, that show with one side being the grandparent, the other wife of grandfather. This happens in multiple places and instances. In some places where there has been a second marriage I have been able to fix some by changing the preferred status of the spouses but that doesn't always work. The relationship calculator doesn't show 1/2 relationships either. Can't figure out why. I too wish that this would be fixed, as I must use a second program to send send out relationship reports. It is more than a little frustrating. Viv > > > The Grand Uncle (or Aunt) must have a child to be related to you. It is > their child. If the Grand Uncle and Aunt are the biological parents, they > should be designated as the Grand Uncle and Aunt. If one of them is a > step-parent of the child, then he/she might be designated as the husband/wife > of the Grand Uncle/Aunt. If that step-parent were related through a > different family line, then, he/she would NOT be designated as merely husband > or wife, but as, say, a 2nd cousin once removed (for instance) or whatever > the relationship is through THAT line. > > The designation husband/wife is normally used when the spouse is not related > in any other way to whomever. > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
Hogwash. The Grand Uncle (or Aunt) is a brother (or sister) to one of his grandgathers or grandmothers. Whether the Uncle or Aunt has any children or not is irrelevent. My brother is still an Uncle, and related to, my children even though he has none of his own. Gary Templeman - Original Message - From: "CE WOOD" To: Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships The Grand Uncle (or Aunt) must have a child to be related to you. It is their child. If the Grand Uncle and Aunt are the biological parents, they should be designated as the Grand Uncle and Aunt. If one of them is a step-parent of the child, then he/she might be designated as the husband/wife of the Grand Uncle/Aunt. If that step-parent were related through a different family line, then, he/she would NOT be designated as merely husband or wife, but as, say, a 2nd cousin once removed (for instance) or whatever the relationship is through THAT line. The designation husband/wife is normally used when the spouse is not related in any other way to whomever. Carolyn - Original Message - From: John S. Adams<mailto:oldbr...@hotmail.com> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships What error? What child? What "correct designation"? John S. Adams Hermosa Beach, CA -- From: "CE WOOD" mailto:wood...@msn.com>> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:30 PM To: mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com>> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships > Actually, the error occurs when the couple involved are the biological > parents of the child. Only if one of them were a step-parent and not the > biological parent of the child should the spouse be called husband or wife > of the Grand Uncle or Grand Aunt rather than by the correct designation. > > Carolyn > - Original Message - > From: Mary Hagen<mailto:hagen.m...@mchsi.com<mailto:hagen.m...@mchsi.com>> > To: > LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com%3cmailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com>> > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:21 PM > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships > > > I believe that is worded that way is because the Grand Uncle is the > person related by blood. If the aunt were the one related by blood, it > would be worded Grand Aunt and the husband would be husband of Grand Aunt. > My 2 cents > Mary >- Original Message - >From: Gene Hutson<mailto:fish...@cableone.net<mailto:fish...@cableone.net>> >To: > LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com%3cmailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com>> >Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:11 PM >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships > > >I think the one that I see the most and still boggles the mind, > you'll have your Grand Uncle and then his wife who should be > Grand Aunt labeled as "wife of Grand Uncle." > > Just 2 cents, > > Gene Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp> Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/<http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/> Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp> To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp> Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
The Grand Uncle (or Aunt) must have a child to be related to you. It is their child. If the Grand Uncle and Aunt are the biological parents, they should be designated as the Grand Uncle and Aunt. If one of them is a step-parent of the child, then he/she might be designated as the husband/wife of the Grand Uncle/Aunt. If that step-parent were related through a different family line, then, he/she would NOT be designated as merely husband or wife, but as, say, a 2nd cousin once removed (for instance) or whatever the relationship is through THAT line. The designation husband/wife is normally used when the spouse is not related in any other way to whomever. Carolyn - Original Message - From: John S. Adams<mailto:oldbr...@hotmail.com> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships What error? What child? What "correct designation"? John S. Adams Hermosa Beach, CA -- From: "CE WOOD" mailto:wood...@msn.com>> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:30 PM To: mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com>> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships > Actually, the error occurs when the couple involved are the biological > parents of the child. Only if one of them were a step-parent and not the > biological parent of the child should the spouse be called husband or wife > of the Grand Uncle or Grand Aunt rather than by the correct designation. > > Carolyn > - Original Message - > From: Mary Hagen<mailto:hagen.m...@mchsi.com<mailto:hagen.m...@mchsi.com>> > To: > LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com%3cmailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com>> > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:21 PM > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships > > > I believe that is worded that way is because the Grand Uncle is the > person related by blood. If the aunt were the one related by blood, it > would be worded Grand Aunt and the husband would be husband of Grand Aunt. > My 2 cents > Mary >- Original Message - >From: Gene Hutson<mailto:fish...@cableone.net<mailto:fish...@cableone.net>> >To: > LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.com%3cmailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com>> >Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:11 PM >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships > > >I think the one that I see the most and still boggles the mind, > you'll have your Grand Uncle and then his wife who should be > Grand Aunt labeled as "wife of Grand Uncle." > > Just 2 cents, > > Gene Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp> Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/<http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/> Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp> To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp> Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
What error? What child? What "correct designation"? John S. Adams Hermosa Beach, CA -- From: "CE WOOD" Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:30 PM To: Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships Actually, the error occurs when the couple involved are the biological parents of the child. Only if one of them were a step-parent and not the biological parent of the child should the spouse be called husband or wife of the Grand Uncle or Grand Aunt rather than by the correct designation. Carolyn - Original Message - From: Mary Hagen<mailto:hagen.m...@mchsi.com> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships I believe that is worded that way is because the Grand Uncle is the person related by blood. If the aunt were the one related by blood, it would be worded Grand Aunt and the husband would be husband of Grand Aunt. My 2 cents Mary - Original Message - From: Gene Hutson<mailto:fish...@cableone.net> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships I think the one that I see the most and still boggles the mind, you'll have your Grand Uncle and then his wife who should be Grand Aunt labeled as "wife of Grand Uncle." Just 2 cents, Gene Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
Actually, the error occurs when the couple involved are the biological parents
of the child. Only if one of them were a step-parent and not the biological
parent of the child should the spouse be called husband or wife of the Grand
Uncle or Grand Aunt rather than by the correct designation.
Carolyn
- Original Message -
From: Mary Hagen<mailto:hagen.m...@mchsi.com>
To:
LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
I believe that is worded that way is because the Grand Uncle is the person
related by blood. If the aunt were the one related by blood, it would be
worded Grand Aunt and the husband would be husband of Grand Aunt.
My 2 cents
Mary
- Original Message -
From: Gene Hutson<mailto:fish...@cableone.net>
To:
LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
I think the one that I see the most and still boggles the mind,
you'll have your Grand Uncle and then his wife who should be
Grand Aunt labeled as "wife of Grand Uncle."
Just 2 cents,
Gene
- Original Message -
From: CE WOOD<mailto:wood...@msn.com>
To:
LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
Have you found any program that can do relationships? It is so crucial
to genealogy that I am stunned that Legacy doesn't get it fixed after ten years!
Carolyn
- Original Message -
From: John S. Adams<mailto:oldbr...@hotmail.com>
To:
LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
I think the Relationship Calculator is, in theory, a great tool. I
really
like the charts it produces showing the relationships of distant
cousins.
HOWEVER, I have almost stopped using it because it is so rife with
errors
and has been from at least Legacy 5.0. The most obvious is that, with
some
multiple relationships, if you click the "Swap" button, different
relationships are displayed, which is wrong. Less obvious problems can
be
found if one traces relationships by hand and then uses the calculator.
I
found one case where a generation was skipped. The problems are
ongoing--Legacy has solved some, but others persist. Every time I look
at
it and try different relationships, I find more problems. There was a
thread on this subject in Aug 2006. Some of the problems discussed
then
involved 1/2 relationships and some of those have been fixed, but I can
still produce at least one.
I hope that Legacy can do a thorough redesign of the RC soon and it
becomes
a reliable tool.
John S. Adams
Hermosa Beach, CA
--
From: "CE WOOD" mailto:wood...@msn.com>>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:02 PM
To:
mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com>>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
> Unfortunately, this is not the case. Direct ancestors are not being
> identified correctly, such as my 27th GGF. His mother is shown as my
24th
> GGA; his father as my 2nd cousin 23 times removed, and Relationship
> Calculator says there is no relationship between father and son,
between
> mother and son, or between husband and wife!
>
> And that's just one of the messed up ones. It also happens as close
as my
> 6th GGParents!
>
> Brian is now working on it, but if anyone else is having problems
with
> incorrect relationships, it would help them find the bug.
>
> Carolyn
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Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
I believe that is worded that way is because the Grand Uncle is the person
related by blood. If the aunt were the one related by blood, it would be
worded Grand Aunt and the husband would be husband of Grand Aunt.
My 2 cents
Mary
- Original Message -
From: Gene Hutson
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
I think the one that I see the most and still boggles the mind,
you'll have your Grand Uncle and then his wife who should be
Grand Aunt labeled as "wife of Grand Uncle."
Just 2 cents,
Gene
- Original Message -
From: CE WOOD
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
Have you found any program that can do relationships? It is so crucial to
genealogy that I am stunned that Legacy doesn't get it fixed after ten years!
Carolyn
- Original Message -
From: John S. Adams
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
I think the Relationship Calculator is, in theory, a great tool. I
really
like the charts it produces showing the relationships of distant cousins.
HOWEVER, I have almost stopped using it because it is so rife with errors
and has been from at least Legacy 5.0. The most obvious is that, with
some
multiple relationships, if you click the "Swap" button, different
relationships are displayed, which is wrong. Less obvious problems can
be
found if one traces relationships by hand and then uses the calculator.
I
found one case where a generation was skipped. The problems are
ongoing--Legacy has solved some, but others persist. Every time I look
at
it and try different relationships, I find more problems. There was a
thread on this subject in Aug 2006. Some of the problems discussed then
involved 1/2 relationships and some of those have been fixed, but I can
still produce at least one.
I hope that Legacy can do a thorough redesign of the RC soon and it
becomes
a reliable tool.
John S. Adams
Hermosa Beach, CA
--
From: "CE WOOD"
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:02 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
> Unfortunately, this is not the case. Direct ancestors are not being
> identified correctly, such as my 27th GGF. His mother is shown as my
24th
> GGA; his father as my 2nd cousin 23 times removed, and Relationship
> Calculator says there is no relationship between father and son,
between
> mother and son, or between husband and wife!
>
> And that's just one of the messed up ones. It also happens as close as
my
> 6th GGParents!
>
> Brian is now working on it, but if anyone else is having problems with
> incorrect relationships, it would help them find the bug.
>
> Carolyn
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Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
I think the one that I see the most and still boggles the mind, you'll have your Grand Uncle and then his wife who should be Grand Aunt labeled as "wife of Grand Uncle." Just 2 cents, Gene - Original Message - From: CE WOOD To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships Have you found any program that can do relationships? It is so crucial to genealogy that I am stunned that Legacy doesn't get it fixed after ten years! Carolyn - Original Message - From: John S. Adams To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships I think the Relationship Calculator is, in theory, a great tool. I really like the charts it produces showing the relationships of distant cousins. HOWEVER, I have almost stopped using it because it is so rife with errors and has been from at least Legacy 5.0. The most obvious is that, with some multiple relationships, if you click the "Swap" button, different relationships are displayed, which is wrong. Less obvious problems can be found if one traces relationships by hand and then uses the calculator. I found one case where a generation was skipped. The problems are ongoing--Legacy has solved some, but others persist. Every time I look at it and try different relationships, I find more problems. There was a thread on this subject in Aug 2006. Some of the problems discussed then involved 1/2 relationships and some of those have been fixed, but I can still produce at least one. I hope that Legacy can do a thorough redesign of the RC soon and it becomes a reliable tool. John S. Adams Hermosa Beach, CA -- From: "CE WOOD" Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:02 PM To: Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships > Unfortunately, this is not the case. Direct ancestors are not being > identified correctly, such as my 27th GGF. His mother is shown as my 24th > GGA; his father as my 2nd cousin 23 times removed, and Relationship > Calculator says there is no relationship between father and son, between > mother and son, or between husband and wife! > > And that's just one of the messed up ones. It also happens as close as my > 6th GGParents! > > Brian is now working on it, but if anyone else is having problems with > incorrect relationships, it would help them find the bug. > > Carolyn Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
Have you found any program that can do relationships? It is so crucial to genealogy that I am stunned that Legacy doesn't get it fixed after ten years! Carolyn - Original Message - From: John S. Adams<mailto:oldbr...@hotmail.com> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships I think the Relationship Calculator is, in theory, a great tool. I really like the charts it produces showing the relationships of distant cousins. HOWEVER, I have almost stopped using it because it is so rife with errors and has been from at least Legacy 5.0. The most obvious is that, with some multiple relationships, if you click the "Swap" button, different relationships are displayed, which is wrong. Less obvious problems can be found if one traces relationships by hand and then uses the calculator. I found one case where a generation was skipped. The problems are ongoing--Legacy has solved some, but others persist. Every time I look at it and try different relationships, I find more problems. There was a thread on this subject in Aug 2006. Some of the problems discussed then involved 1/2 relationships and some of those have been fixed, but I can still produce at least one. I hope that Legacy can do a thorough redesign of the RC soon and it becomes a reliable tool. John S. Adams Hermosa Beach, CA -- From: "CE WOOD" mailto:wood...@msn.com>> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:02 PM To: mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com>> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships > Unfortunately, this is not the case. Direct ancestors are not being > identified correctly, such as my 27th GGF. His mother is shown as my 24th > GGA; his father as my 2nd cousin 23 times removed, and Relationship > Calculator says there is no relationship between father and son, between > mother and son, or between husband and wife! > > And that's just one of the messed up ones. It also happens as close as my > 6th GGParents! > > Brian is now working on it, but if anyone else is having problems with > incorrect relationships, it would help them find the bug. > > Carolyn Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp> Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/<http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/> Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp> To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp> Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
I think the Relationship Calculator is, in theory, a great tool. I really like the charts it produces showing the relationships of distant cousins. HOWEVER, I have almost stopped using it because it is so rife with errors and has been from at least Legacy 5.0. The most obvious is that, with some multiple relationships, if you click the "Swap" button, different relationships are displayed, which is wrong. Less obvious problems can be found if one traces relationships by hand and then uses the calculator. I found one case where a generation was skipped. The problems are ongoing--Legacy has solved some, but others persist. Every time I look at it and try different relationships, I find more problems. There was a thread on this subject in Aug 2006. Some of the problems discussed then involved 1/2 relationships and some of those have been fixed, but I can still produce at least one. I hope that Legacy can do a thorough redesign of the RC soon and it becomes a reliable tool. John S. Adams Hermosa Beach, CA -- From: "CE WOOD" Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:02 PM To: Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships Unfortunately, this is not the case. Direct ancestors are not being identified correctly, such as my 27th GGF. His mother is shown as my 24th GGA; his father as my 2nd cousin 23 times removed, and Relationship Calculator says there is no relationship between father and son, between mother and son, or between husband and wife! And that's just one of the messed up ones. It also happens as close as my 6th GGParents! Brian is now working on it, but if anyone else is having problems with incorrect relationships, it would help them find the bug. Carolyn Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
Countless numbers of times. Carolyn - Original Message - From: ronald ferguson<mailto:ronfe...@msn.com> To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:12 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships Carolyn. Did you try File>File Maintenance>Check/Repair? Ron Ferguson _ *New* Improved Interface for OpenOffice.org Contacts Database http://www.fergys.co.uk<http://www.fergys.co.uk/> View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/<http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/> For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/<http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/> _ > From: wood...@msn.com<mailto:wood...@msn.com> > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships > Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 13:02:43 -0800 > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, this is not the case. Direct ancestors are not being > identified correctly, such as my 27th GGF. His mother is shown as my 24th > GGA; his father as my 2nd cousin 23 times removed, and Relationship Calculator > says there is no relationship between father and son, between mother and son, or > between husband and wife! > > > > And that's just one of the messed up ones. It also happens as close > as my 6th GGParents! > > > > Brian is now working on it, but if anyone else is having problems with > incorrect relationships, it would help them find the bug. > > > > Carolyn > > > - Original Message - > > From: RICHARD > SCHULTHIES > > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com> > > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:13 > AM > > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect > Relationships > > > I am guessing what is happening. Is that 'aunt' actually both > of those numbers. For example, my son's relationship to Charlemange is over 48 > different paths. Which is correct, his 37th ggfather (x2), 38th ggfather > (x31), 39th ggfather (x15), or one of the various ways they are cousins. > I > believe the rule is to use the lowest number, adding the removed 'count' to > it, so your 19th is lowest. Which line is the direct male line? Also, how many > Blood Relationships are you using. I used 100 to recieve these from L7. > > Using the Relationship Calculator, find ALL of the connections to two > people. > I hope this helps. > Rich in LA CA > > --- On Fri, 2/13/09, CE > WOOD wrote: > >> From: > CE WOOD >> Subject: > [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships >> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com> >> > Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 1:32 PM >> There is an ongoing problem > with Relationship that Legacy >> can't seem to fix. >> >> For > instance, my 22nd GGFather and GGMother had two >> children, each of whom > is an ancestor of mine - one is my >> 21st GGF, the other is incorrectly > listed as my 19th GGAunt! >> >> Her husband is, accordingly, > incorrectly listed as the >> Husband of my 19th GG Aunt. >> >> > Their child is correctly listed as my 21st GGFather. >> However, Legacy > can find no relationship between him and his >> parents!! >> > >> And, of course, the ancestors of HIS father, my incorrectly >> > listed Husband of my 19th GGAunt, are not identified as my >> > ancestors. >> >> Unfortunately, This is not an isolated occurrence; > it >> occurs with too many of my ancestors, some as close as my >> > 6th GGParents! >> >> It doesn't matter what limits I set on > Blood or >> Non-blood Relationships; the relationships are still > wrong! >> >> Generations are crucial to genealogy, and being unable > to >> find my direct ancestors has become a MAJOR problem with >> > this otherwise wonderful program. >> >> I have reported the problem > to Legacy for more than a year. >> It was going to be fixed in > Legacy 7 but is actually worse. >> Replies f
RE: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
Carolyn. Did you try File>File Maintenance>Check/Repair? Ron Ferguson _ *New* Improved Interface for OpenOffice.org Contacts Database http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ > From: wood...@msn.com > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships > Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 13:02:43 -0800 > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, this is not the case. Direct ancestors are not being > identified correctly, such as my 27th GGF. His mother is shown as my 24th > GGA; his father as my 2nd cousin 23 times removed, and Relationship Calculator > says there is no relationship between father and son, between mother and son, > or > between husband and wife! > > > > And that's just one of the messed up ones. It also happens as close > as my 6th GGParents! > > > > Brian is now working on it, but if anyone else is having problems with > incorrect relationships, it would help them find the bug. > > > > Carolyn > > > - Original Message - > > From: RICHARD > SCHULTHIES > > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com > > Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:13 > AM > > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect > Relationships > > > I am guessing what is happening. Is that 'aunt' actually both > of those numbers. For example, my son's relationship to Charlemange is over 48 > different paths. Which is correct, his 37th ggfather (x2), 38th ggfather > (x31), 39th ggfather (x15), or one of the various ways they are cousins. > I > believe the rule is to use the lowest number, adding the removed 'count' to > it, so your 19th is lowest. Which line is the direct male line? Also, how many > Blood Relationships are you using. I used 100 to recieve these from L7. > > Using the Relationship Calculator, find ALL of the connections to two > people. > I hope this helps. > Rich in LA CA > > --- On Fri, 2/13/09, CE > WOOD wrote: > >> From: > CE WOOD >> Subject: > [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships >> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com >> > Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 1:32 PM >> There is an ongoing problem > with Relationship that Legacy >> can't seem to fix. >> >> For > instance, my 22nd GGFather and GGMother had two >> children, each of whom > is an ancestor of mine - one is my >> 21st GGF, the other is incorrectly > listed as my 19th GGAunt! >> >> Her husband is, accordingly, > incorrectly listed as the >> Husband of my 19th GG Aunt. >> >> > Their child is correctly listed as my 21st GGFather. >> However, Legacy > can find no relationship between him and his >> parents!! >> > >> And, of course, the ancestors of HIS father, my incorrectly >> > listed Husband of my 19th GGAunt, are not identified as my >> > ancestors. >> >> Unfortunately, This is not an isolated occurrence; > it >> occurs with too many of my ancestors, some as close as my >> > 6th GGParents! >> >> It doesn't matter what limits I set on > Blood or >> Non-blood Relationships; the relationships are still > wrong! >> >> Generations are crucial to genealogy, and being unable > to >> find my direct ancestors has become a MAJOR problem with >> > this otherwise wonderful program. >> >> I have reported the problem > to Legacy for more than a year. >> It was going to be fixed in > Legacy 7 but is actually worse. >> Replies from support have been > dismissive. >> >> Has anyone else encountered this problem, and, > hopefully, >> found a solution? >> >> >> Carolyn _ Hotmail, Messenger, Photos and more - all with the new Windows Live. Get started! http://www.download.live.com/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
Unfortunately, this is not the case. Direct ancestors are not being identified correctly, such as my 27th GGF. His mother is shown as my 24th GGA; his father as my 2nd cousin 23 times removed, and Relationship Calculator says there is no relationship between father and son, between mother and son, or between husband and wife! And that's just one of the messed up ones. It also happens as close as my 6th GGParents! Brian is now working on it, but if anyone else is having problems with incorrect relationships, it would help them find the bug. Carolyn - Original Message - From: RICHARD SCHULTHIES<mailto:fourpa...@verizon.net> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com> Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:13 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships I am guessing what is happening. Is that 'aunt' actually both of those numbers. For example, my son's relationship to Charlemange is over 48 different paths. Which is correct, his 37th ggfather (x2), 38th ggfather (x31), 39th ggfather (x15), or one of the various ways they are cousins. I believe the rule is to use the lowest number, adding the removed 'count' to it, so your 19th is lowest. Which line is the direct male line? Also, how many Blood Relationships are you using. I used 100 to recieve these from L7. Using the Relationship Calculator, find ALL of the connections to two people. I hope this helps. Rich in LA CA --- On Fri, 2/13/09, CE WOOD mailto:wood...@msn.com>> wrote: > From: CE WOOD mailto:wood...@msn.com>> > Subject: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com> > Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 1:32 PM > There is an ongoing problem with Relationship that Legacy > can't seem to fix. > > For instance, my 22nd GGFather and GGMother had two > children, each of whom is an ancestor of mine - one is my > 21st GGF, the other is incorrectly listed as my 19th GGAunt! > > Her husband is, accordingly, incorrectly listed as the > Husband of my 19th GG Aunt. > > Their child is correctly listed as my 21st GGFather. > However, Legacy can find no relationship between him and his > parents!! > > And, of course, the ancestors of HIS father, my incorrectly > listed Husband of my 19th GGAunt, are not identified as my > ancestors. > > Unfortunately, This is not an isolated occurrence; it > occurs with too many of my ancestors, some as close as my > 6th GGParents! > > It doesn't matter what limits I set on Blood or > Non-blood Relationships; the relationships are still wrong! > > Generations are crucial to genealogy, and being unable to > find my direct ancestors has become a MAJOR problem with > this otherwise wonderful program. > > I have reported the problem to Legacy for more than a year. > It was going to be fixed in Legacy 7 but is actually worse. > Replies from support have been dismissive. > > Has anyone else encountered this problem, and, hopefully, > found a solution? > > > Carolyn > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp> > > Archived messages: > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/<http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/> > > Online technical support: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp> > > To unsubscribe: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp> Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp> Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/<http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/> Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp> To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp> Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships
I am guessing what is happening. Is that 'aunt' actually both of those numbers. For example, my son's relationship to Charlemange is over 48 different paths. Which is correct, his 37th ggfather (x2), 38th ggfather (x31), 39th ggfather (x15), or one of the various ways they are cousins. I believe the rule is to use the lowest number, adding the removed 'count' to it, so your 19th is lowest. Which line is the direct male line? Also, how many Blood Relationships are you using. I used 100 to recieve these from L7. Using the Relationship Calculator, find ALL of the connections to two people. I hope this helps. Rich in LA CA --- On Fri, 2/13/09, CE WOOD wrote: > From: CE WOOD > Subject: [LegacyUG] Incorrect Relationships > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com > Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 1:32 PM > There is an ongoing problem with Relationship that Legacy > can't seem to fix. > > For instance, my 22nd GGFather and GGMother had two > children, each of whom is an ancestor of mine - one is my > 21st GGF, the other is incorrectly listed as my 19th GGAunt! > > Her husband is, accordingly, incorrectly listed as the > Husband of my 19th GG Aunt. > > Their child is correctly listed as my 21st GGFather. > However, Legacy can find no relationship between him and his > parents!! > > And, of course, the ancestors of HIS father, my incorrectly > listed Husband of my 19th GGAunt, are not identified as my > ancestors. > > Unfortunately, This is not an isolated occurrence; it > occurs with too many of my ancestors, some as close as my > 6th GGParents! > > It doesn't matter what limits I set on Blood or > Non-blood Relationships; the relationships are still wrong! > > Generations are crucial to genealogy, and being unable to > find my direct ancestors has become a MAJOR problem with > this otherwise wonderful program. > > I have reported the problem to Legacy for more than a year. > It was going to be fixed in Legacy 7 but is actually worse. > Replies from support have been dismissive. > > Has anyone else encountered this problem, and, hopefully, > found a solution? > > > Carolyn > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > >http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > > Archived messages: > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ > > Online technical support: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > > To unsubscribe: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
