Re: in car power supply
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 22:47:07 -0400 From: "Ken Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply No, no, no! He *sells* them there... I didn't think he was in the winstar... Ken - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Libretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 7:28 PM Subject: Re: in car power supply > Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 19:18:52 EDT > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: in car power supply > > In a message dated 9/19/2001 12:05:46 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > I had a special moment the other day, driving to work in the morning I was > > behind a large, green Winstar with a license plate frame from Patchoge > > Motors on Rt. 112 on Long Island, and I thought of Pres... > > > > Hello Pres! > > > > > > NO, NO, NO, Pres drives a Kia, he is an environmentalist type of guy. Besides > they used to have a tray that the Lib would sit on. > > > > JIM RAY, SR, PHOENIX, AZ, USA, Guardian of the vast American desert. > > > > ** > http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list > http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives > http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ > ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe > UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- > Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... > ** > ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: in car power supply
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 19:18:52 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: in car power supply In a message dated 9/19/2001 12:05:46 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I had a special moment the other day, driving to work in the morning I was > behind a large, green Winstar with a license plate frame from Patchoge > Motors on Rt. 112 on Long Island, and I thought of Pres... > > Hello Pres! > > NO, NO, NO, Pres drives a Kia, he is an environmentalist type of guy. Besides they used to have a tray that the Lib would sit on. JIM RAY, SR, PHOENIX, AZ, USA, Guardian of the vast American desert. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: in car power supply
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:12:16 -0400 From: "Pres Waterman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply > I had a special moment the other day, driving to work in the morning I was > behind a large, green Winstar with a license plate frame from Patchoge > Motors on Rt. 112 on Long Island, and I thought of Pres... > > Hello Pres! Wow! Was that in Jersey? Thanks Pres Waterman W2PW c/o Patchogue Motors, Inc. Long Island Ford and Kia dealer GO BILLS! ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: in car power supply
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 13:24:43 -0400 From: "Ken Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply I had a special moment the other day, driving to work in the morning I was behind a large, green Winstar with a license plate frame from Patchoge Motors on Rt. 112 on Long Island, and I thought of Pres... Hello Pres! Ken - Original Message - From: "Pres Waterman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Libretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 9:55 AM Subject: Re: in car power supply > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:29:46 -0400 > From: "Pres Waterman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: in car power supply > > > > > Has anyone ever found a source for the connector that plugs on to the > bottom of > > the Libretto (the part inside the replicator). > > > > I assume that Toshiba didnt make it in house and that somewhere there must > be > > another bit of equipment that uses the same plug and socket arrangement. > > I'd loe to get my hands on a couple of them to make really cut down > parallel and > > serial ports, without having to kill a replicator first. > > > There are parts inside the replicator... it's not just a physical > thing... > > If you can't deal with the size of the mini-replicator bar ( and I never > take mine off, it's just part of the unit to me ) then a PCMCIA solution > seems best. Although most Librettos ( you didn't mention which ) have only 1 > slot, so you may have to pick which port you need at the moment. > > The L1x0 has a dual slot. > > Thanks > > Pres Waterman W2PW > c/o Patchogue Motors, Inc. > Long Island Ford and Kia dealer ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: in car power supply
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 15:57:13 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Stangl) Subject: Re: in car power supply Nope, I haven't found the hicap battery for $110 anywhere in the US. If anyone DOES know of a place selling PA2503s for $110 brand new, let me know! The only price I can find is $129. Dave's Libretto wrote: > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 23:09:30 +0200 > From: "Dave's Libretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: in car power supply > > > From: Jim Sheafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: in car power supply > > > > libret > I just bought two brand spanking new hiCap > > libret >batteries. Battery life is amazing > > > > Where did you get your batteries from? I too am struggling with 20 > > a minute and need a source. > > Hi Jim, > > I went off to http://www.dabs.com > > £78ish IIRC and free delivery! > They sell the normal battery, but for the price, why not get a hicap? =O) > > It was kinda strange as just before i was going to buy one they ran out of stock > so I had to get one from ebay, but that was more expensive (although brand new > too) > > Its nice to find cheap lib stuff in the UK for a change, although someone states > side is bound to say they can get them cheaper ;o) > > Cheers > > Dave > > ** > http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list > http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives > http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ > ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe > UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- > Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... > ** -- | Tom Stangl, iPlanet Web Server Technical Support | Netscape Communications Corp | A division of AOL Time Warner | iPlanet Support - http://www.iplanet.com/support/ | Please do not associate my personal views with my employer ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: in car power supply
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 23:09:30 +0200 From: "Dave's Libretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply > From: Jim Sheafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: in car power supply > > libret > I just bought two brand spanking new hiCap > libret >batteries. Battery life is amazing > > Where did you get your batteries from? I too am struggling with 20 > a minute and need a source. Hi Jim, I went off to http://www.dabs.com £78ish IIRC and free delivery! They sell the normal battery, but for the price, why not get a hicap? =O) It was kinda strange as just before i was going to buy one they ran out of stock so I had to get one from ebay, but that was more expensive (although brand new too) Its nice to find cheap lib stuff in the UK for a change, although someone states side is bound to say they can get them cheaper ;o) Cheers Dave ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: in car power supply
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 23:04:15 +0200 From: "Dave's Libretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply > From: "Pres Waterman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: in car power supply > > > Has anyone ever found a source for the connector that plugs on to the > > bottom of the Libretto (the part inside the replicator). > > There are parts inside the replicator... it's not just a physical > thing... lol. After buying my Libretto 100 form a guy down in Derby (UK) I drove the 2ish hours home, and the first thing I did through the door was take it apart and overclock it =O) > If you can't deal with the size of the mini-replicator bar ( and I never > take mine off, it's just part of the unit to me ) I find it to be a bit of a pain in conjunction with the mouse pad. I have large fingers, hell anyone typing of these keyboards has large fingers! > then a PCMCIA solution seems best. I thought about that, but then thats something sticking out of the side of the machine. Im wanting to build a quick release mech for mounting the lib in the car. Power, serial (for INet) and parallel (MP3's) can all be found from that connector, and its would be nicer that killing a replicator for (which I only have one of). I quite fancy a mobile phone adapter too and maybe a parallel web cam on the top of my screen. I'd like to keep it REALLY compact, or I'd probably use the mini rep. Cheers Dave ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: in car power supply
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 02:21:23 -0700 From: Dan Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 19:16:30 +1000 From: Dan Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply Hi John, Thanks for the most amusing retort I have yet seen! The things you do to your poor Libby! I would love to have a look at the pics, always looking for different ideas, ways to use a Lib and to mount it. I don't feel at all bad about using my in the 4x4 anymore Best Regards, Dan Baker. Shepardson, John D. wrote: > Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 09:54:56 -0700 > From: "Shepardson, John D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: in car power supply > > Hello Folks, > > I was the one that posted the bit about hard wiring the > lib 50 into my car. Sorry but I can't bicker during > the weekend because my net connection is at work. > > I am sorry if I offended anyone by not knowing more > about all the cheap electronic components you guys think > protect your computers when you buy those cheap dc > converters that go into your cigarette lighters. > > Have you ever taken those things apart? They are > genuine pieces of crap. > > You want to know what else I do to my libretto? > > I mount it on my motorcycle. I'll send you pictures > if you like. I have hit bumps so hard that the lib jumped > up into the air and fell into my lap. I later tied it > down with bungee cords in addition to the velcro patches. > > And guess what? I have ridden through terrible rain > storms with it. Lightening even. I have had that libby > soaked so bad the keyboards would only print out stuff > like ';)))UJUUOkkk' for three or four days until > it dried out. I later made a rain jacket out of some > plastic bags but it's still hard to keep moisture out in > 75 mph winds. > > Oh yes, through all of those 50,000 miles the screen has > been up and exposed to direct sunlight and the screen is > still pretty readable. > > And, as far as what the libretto needs in terms of power > supply, you only need about 13.5 volts to initialize the > power supply. Those of you who use two 1.5 volt boost > batteries in addition to a 12 volt battery only need one. > Once initialized, you need anywhere from 11 to 15 volts to > run the lib (at least my 50). I can't charge the Lib > battery from my bike because the voltage is only around > 13.9 volts. You need something like 14 to 15 I suppose > for that. > > And don't bother to argue electronics with me because > I am far too ignorant for that. I promise I will set > aside an hour this week to feel guilty for all of the > anguish that I have put my poor Libretto through. > > John Shepardson > > > > > ** > http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list > http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives > http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ > ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe > UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- > Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... > ** > > ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... ** ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: in car power supply
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 17:55:36 -0400 From: Cray Drygu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply At 02:25 PM 6/26/01 -0700, you wrote: >This is normal - if you're going to leave your lib unplugged for any length >of time, remove the battery. Thanks. I knew to expect a little bit of drain (batteries lose charge over time anyway, plus there's a constant slight drain from the lib while it looks to see if you're pushing the "on" button, etc), I just didn't expect it to be that bad. -- Cray Drygu [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://indecisions.org/ Children's books you'll never see: "Things Rich Kids Have, But You Never Will" ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: in car power supply
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 21:21:15 From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply >Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 16:40:29 -0400 >From: Cray Drygu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: in car power supply > >Also, is it normal for the battery to discharge when it's not plugged in? >I unplugged my libretto for a couple days and the next time I turned it on >the battery was at 87%. > This is normal - if you're going to leave your lib unplugged for any length of time, remove the battery. Neil (who will one day work out quite *why* it does this!) _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: in car power supply
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 16:40:29 -0400 From: Cray Drygu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply At 01:10 PM 6/26/01 -0700, you wrote: >libret >I just bought two brand spanking new hiCap >libret >batteries. Battery life is amazing > >Dave, > > Where did you get your batteries from? I too am struggling with 20 >a minute and need a source. I'd be interested in this, too. Mine hasn't gotten too much use where I couldn't plug it in, but I'll be taking it on a long plane trip next month and an extra battery or two would be very helpful! Also, is it normal for the battery to discharge when it's not plugged in? I unplugged my libretto for a couple days and the next time I turned it on the battery was at 87%. -- Cray Drygu [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://indecisions.org/ Never mud wrestle with a pig: hell, if I have to tell you why, you're pretty much a lost cause anyway. Go ahead, wrestle with a pig, see if I care. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: in car power supply
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 16:04:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Sheafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, Dave's Libretto wrote: libret > libret >I bought the lib over a year ago and struggled for ages with 20 minutes (yes 20 libret >minutes) worth of battery life. I just bought two brand spanking new hiCap libret >batteries. Battery life is amazing Dave, Where did you get your batteries from? I too am struggling with 20 a minute and need a source. Thanks, -- -Jim Jim Sheaferhttp://www.tux.org/~sheafer/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: in car power supply
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 09:29:46 -0400 From: "Pres Waterman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply > > Has anyone ever found a source for the connector that plugs on to the bottom of > the Libretto (the part inside the replicator). > > I assume that Toshiba didnt make it in house and that somewhere there must be > another bit of equipment that uses the same plug and socket arrangement. > I'd loe to get my hands on a couple of them to make really cut down parallel and > serial ports, without having to kill a replicator first. There are parts inside the replicator... it's not just a physical thing... If you can't deal with the size of the mini-replicator bar ( and I never take mine off, it's just part of the unit to me ) then a PCMCIA solution seems best. Although most Librettos ( you didn't mention which ) have only 1 slot, so you may have to pick which port you need at the moment. The L1x0 has a dual slot. Thanks Pres Waterman W2PW c/o Patchogue Motors, Inc. Long Island Ford and Kia dealer GO BILLS! ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: in car power supply
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 19:16:30 +1000 From: Dan Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply Hi John, Thanks for the most amusing retort I have yet seen! The things you do to your poor Libby! I would love to have a look at the pics, always looking for different ideas, ways to use a Lib and to mount it. I don't feel at all bad about using my in the 4x4 anymore Best Regards, Dan Baker. Shepardson, John D. wrote: > Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 09:54:56 -0700 > From: "Shepardson, John D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: in car power supply > > Hello Folks, > > I was the one that posted the bit about hard wiring the > lib 50 into my car. Sorry but I can't bicker during > the weekend because my net connection is at work. > > I am sorry if I offended anyone by not knowing more > about all the cheap electronic components you guys think > protect your computers when you buy those cheap dc > converters that go into your cigarette lighters. > > Have you ever taken those things apart? They are > genuine pieces of crap. > > You want to know what else I do to my libretto? > > I mount it on my motorcycle. I'll send you pictures > if you like. I have hit bumps so hard that the lib jumped > up into the air and fell into my lap. I later tied it > down with bungee cords in addition to the velcro patches. > > And guess what? I have ridden through terrible rain > storms with it. Lightening even. I have had that libby > soaked so bad the keyboards would only print out stuff > like ';)))UJUUOkkk' for three or four days until > it dried out. I later made a rain jacket out of some > plastic bags but it's still hard to keep moisture out in > 75 mph winds. > > Oh yes, through all of those 50,000 miles the screen has > been up and exposed to direct sunlight and the screen is > still pretty readable. > > And, as far as what the libretto needs in terms of power > supply, you only need about 13.5 volts to initialize the > power supply. Those of you who use two 1.5 volt boost > batteries in addition to a 12 volt battery only need one. > Once initialized, you need anywhere from 11 to 15 volts to > run the lib (at least my 50). I can't charge the Lib > battery from my bike because the voltage is only around > 13.9 volts. You need something like 14 to 15 I suppose > for that. > > And don't bother to argue electronics with me because > I am far too ignorant for that. I promise I will set > aside an hour this week to feel guilty for all of the > anguish that I have put my poor Libretto through. > > John Shepardson > > > > > ** > http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list > http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives > http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ > ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe > UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- > Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... > ** > > ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: in car power supply
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:08:45 +0200 From: "Dave's Libretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply Has anyone ever found a source for the connector that plugs on to the bottom of the Libretto (the part inside the replicator). I assume that Toshiba didnt make it in house and that somewhere there must be another bit of equipment that uses the same plug and socket arrangement. I'd loe to get my hands on a couple of them to make really cut down parallel and serial ports, without having to kill a replicator first. Cheers Dave > Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 16:22:01 > From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: in car power supply > > Re oscilloscopes: > > I use various of the Pico range - http://www.picotech.com/40_42_100.html - > which are ideal for the sort of stuff I usually have to do on site...I like > *very much* the 40 and 42 that fit into a 25 pin D-Type and goes straight > onto the parallel port. > > Neil > > p.s. I used to live in Reading too... > > >From: Dan Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Libretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: Libretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: in car power supply > >Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 00:35:31 -0700 > > > >Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 17:31:12 +1000 > >From: Dan Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: in car power supply > > > >Hey Neil, > > I didn't think you were having a go, this sort of thing > >is a great topic of discussion and I am always fascinated to hear what > >other users do with their Libs... There aren't many of us here in > >Australia! > > My father perked his ears up at the oscilloscope... What software > >and hardware is there apart from our little friend? He is a service tech > >working with commercial catering equipment in restaurants all over > >Australia.. > > Both he and I are Poms, used to live in Reading, Berkshire > > > > Best Regards, > > Dan Baker. > > > _ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > ** > http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list > http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives > http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ > ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe > UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- > Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... > ** > ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: in car power supply
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:04:17 +0200 From: "Dave's Libretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply Hi Neil, My *guess* would be that the battery light would flash for that one. I had a very slow flashing orange battery light preiously when I was having trouble with an old battery. I bought the lib over a year ago and struggled for ages with 20 minutes (yes 20 minutes) worth of battery life. I just bought two brand spanking new hiCap batteries. Battery life is amazing Now if I can just figure out how to fix the damn v key grr... Cheers Dave > Can't speak for the 100, but the 50 and 70 both have several fuses mounted > on the PCB. DOesn't flashing orange mean it's confused by the battery? > > Neil > > > >From: "Dave's Libretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Libretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: Libretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: in car power supply > >Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 08:40:24 -0700 > > > >Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 17:34:55 +0200 > >From: "Dave's Libretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: in car power supply > > > >Hi all, > > > >Just to mention that whilst running my 100CT from a not too good power > >source, > >it received 18 volts. > >The power light flashed orange and the machine would not turn on. > >Does this mean that the Lib does have some oer voltage protection circuit? > > > >Cheers > > > >Dave > > > > > _ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > ** > http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list > http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives > http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ > ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe > UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- > Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... > ** > ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: in car power supply
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:59:57 +0200 From: "Dave's Libretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply > > Just to mention that whilst running my 100CT from a not too good power > source, > > it received 18 volts. > > The power light flashed orange and the machine would not turn on. > > Does this mean that the Lib does have some oer voltage protection circuit? > > > Correct. If you look at the power supply that comes with the Libretto you > see a surprisingly precise 15.000v coming out. Even 16v makes the orange > light flash. It is finicky about overvoltage. So then surely running it directly from car lighter plug isnt going to cause it too many problems if it is looking out for the correct voltage? Cheers Dave ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: in car power supply
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 21:29:56 From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply Hi John, >Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 09:54:56 -0700 >From: "Shepardson, John D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: in car power supply > >Hello Folks, > >I was the one that posted the bit about hard wiring the >lib 50 into my car. Sorry but I can't bicker during >the weekend because my net connection is at work. Aw, weekend bickering is the best! > >I am sorry if I offended anyone by not knowing more >about all the cheap electronic components you guys think >protect your computers when you buy those cheap dc >converters that go into your cigarette lighters. I think everyone who can possibly get offended left this group months ago...those of us who are still here have skins thicker than hippos! (but I liked the way you phrased that - it showed the touch of a master!) > >Have you ever taken those things apart? They are >genuine pieces of crap. Some yes, some no. Switch mode adaptors are the best, but they're usually set to 12v rather than 15v. > >You want to know what else I do to my libretto? > >I mount it on my motorcycle. I'll send you pictures >if you like. I have hit bumps so hard that the lib jumped >up into the air and fell into my lap. I later tied it >down with bungee cords in addition to the velcro patches. > >And guess what? I have ridden through terrible rain >storms with it. Lightening even. I have had that libby >soaked so bad the keyboards would only print out stuff >like ';)))UJUUOkkk' for three or four days until >it dried out. I later made a rain jacket out of some >plastic bags but it's still hard to keep moisture out in >75 mph winds. > >Oh yes, through all of those 50,000 miles the screen has >been up and exposed to direct sunlight and the screen is >still pretty readable. > Tough little beggars, ain't they! >And, as far as what the libretto needs in terms of power >supply, you only need about 13.5 volts to initialize the >power supply. Those of you who use two 1.5 volt boost >batteries in addition to a 12 volt battery only need one. >Once initialized, you need anywhere from 11 to 15 volts to >run the lib (at least my 50). I can't charge the Lib >battery from my bike because the voltage is only around >13.9 volts. You need something like 14 to 15 I suppose >for that. That runs around the same on mine. I think there is some variance with component differences. The capacitor kicker (rather than the extra battery) runs fine for this. I think in general, a 12v lead acid cell will run the lib but won't charge it without the charging voltage (for the lead acid cell) being present. > >And don't bother to argue electronics with me because >I am far too ignorant for that. I promise I will set >aside an hour this week to feel guilty for all of the >anguish that I have put my poor Libretto through. > Provided you face east and touch your head to the floor six times in front of the lib, we'll forgive you :) >John Shepardson > Seriously John, I haven't been aiming anything at you, and I don't believe the other guys have. There's just a natural concern that people new to the machine and with less expertise than you or I might toast their lib without considering the risks. Best regards, Neil _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: in car power supply
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 13:55:50 From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply Looks like there are various flsah codes. Four short and one long orange on my 50 is overheat...there's another one when the battery won't charge. Neil >Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 19:02:28 +1000 >From: Dan Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: in car power supply > >I thought orange flash was an over-heat signal and it then automatically >went into hibernation? > >Dan > >neil barnes wrote: > >>Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 16:31:27 >>From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: Re: in car power supply >> >>Can't speak for the 100, but the 50 and 70 both have several fuses >>mounted on the PCB. DOesn't flashing orange mean it's confused by the >>battery? >> >>Neil >> >> >>>From: "Dave's Libretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>Reply-To: Libretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>To: Libretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>Subject: Re: in car power supply >>>Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 08:40:24 -0700 >>> >>>Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 17:34:55 +0200 >>>From: "Dave's Libretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>Subject: Re: in car power supply >>> >>>Hi all, >>> >>>Just to mention that whilst running my 100CT from a not too good >>>power source, >>>it received 18 volts. >>>The power light flashed orange and the machine would not turn on. >>>Does this mean that the Lib does have some oer voltage protection >>>circuit? >>> >>>Cheers >>> >>>Dave _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: in car power supply
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 13:54:16 From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply Heh. That should have been 'Reading' not 'reading'... http://www.planetmonk.com/wilde/poetry/readinggaol.html >From: "Paul Betts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Libretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Libretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: in car power supply >Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 01:50:27 -0700 > >Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 08:47:26 - >From: "Paul Betts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: in car power supply > > >>p.s. what is it about reading? None of us seem to be Oscar Wilde... >>p.p.s I bet I have to explain that one! > >Er yes. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: in car power supply
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 19:02:28 +1000 From: Dan Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply I thought orange flash was an over-heat signal and it then automatically went into hibernation? Dan neil barnes wrote: > Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 16:31:27 > From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: in car power supply > > Can't speak for the 100, but the 50 and 70 both have several fuses > mounted on the PCB. DOesn't flashing orange mean it's confused by the > battery? > > Neil > > >> From: "Dave's Libretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: Libretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: Libretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: in car power supply >> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 08:40:24 -0700 >> >> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 17:34:55 +0200 >> From: "Dave's Libretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: in car power supply >> >> Hi all, >> >> Just to mention that whilst running my 100CT from a not too good >> power source, >> it received 18 volts. >> The power light flashed orange and the machine would not turn on. >> Does this mean that the Lib does have some oer voltage protection >> circuit? >> >> Cheers >> >> Dave >> >> > _ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > ** > http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list > http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives > http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ > ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe > UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- > Use above but add DIGEST to the subject > line... > ** > > ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: in car power supply
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 08:47:26 - From: "Paul Betts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply >p.s. what is it about reading? None of us seem to be Oscar Wilde... >p.p.s I bet I have to explain that one! Er yes. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
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Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 06:28:11 From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply I've also come across car-12v converters for about the same price (but I can't remember where, *somewhere* in the UK) which will work safely with the kicker circuit. Neil p.s. what is it about reading? None of us seem to be Oscar Wilde... p.p.s I bet I have to explain that one! >From: "Paul Betts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Libretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Libretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: in car power supply >Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 10:40:24 -0700 > >Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 18:29:13 +0100 >From: "Paul Betts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: in car power supply > >Hi > >Just out of interest, for those in the UK you can buy an 12v -> 240v 300W >Invertor from Maplin for £49.99 or 150W for £39.99 (This is a new product >which is not in the current catalogue). > >This is probably a happy medium in the fact that you can use it with your >Lib and anything else you need 240v for ! (well you probably can't heat >your >swimming pool with it !) > >Cheers > >Paul. > >PS I too live in READING !! >** > _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
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Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 17:45:19 +1200 From: Fran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply Nah. Stuck key. Fran :):):) On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 13:15, you wrote: > Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 01:08:13 - > From: "Sundering Skies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: in car power supply > > From: "Pres Waterman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Correct. If you look at the power supply that comes with the Libretto > > you see a surprisingly precise 15.000v coming out. > > ^^^! > > Holy cow, fluctuations down to the nanovolt range?!? > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > ** > http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list > http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives > http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ > ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe > UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- > Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... > ** ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: in car power supply
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 01:08:13 - From: "Sundering Skies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply >From: "Pres Waterman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Correct. If you look at the power supply that comes with the Libretto you >see a surprisingly precise 15.000v coming out. ^^^! Holy cow, fluctuations down to the nanovolt range?!? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
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Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 19:43:34 -0300 From: "Pres Waterman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply > Just to mention that whilst running my 100CT from a not too good power source, > it received 18 volts. > The power light flashed orange and the machine would not turn on. > Does this mean that the Lib does have some oer voltage protection circuit? Correct. If you look at the power supply that comes with the Libretto you see a surprisingly precise 15.000v coming out. Even 16v makes the orange light flash. It is finicky about overvoltage. Pres Waterman W2PW c/o Patchogue Motors, Inc. Long Island Ford and Kia dealer GO BILLS! ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: in car power supply
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 18:29:13 +0100 From: "Paul Betts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply Hi Just out of interest, for those in the UK you can buy an 12v -> 240v 300W Invertor from Maplin for £49.99 or 150W for £39.99 (This is a new product which is not in the current catalogue). This is probably a happy medium in the fact that you can use it with your Lib and anything else you need 240v for ! (well you probably can't heat your swimming pool with it !) Cheers Paul. PS I too live in READING !! ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: in car power supply
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 16:31:27 From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply Can't speak for the 100, but the 50 and 70 both have several fuses mounted on the PCB. DOesn't flashing orange mean it's confused by the battery? Neil >From: "Dave's Libretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Libretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Libretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: in car power supply >Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 08:40:24 -0700 > >Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 17:34:55 +0200 >From: "Dave's Libretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: in car power supply > >Hi all, > >Just to mention that whilst running my 100CT from a not too good power >source, >it received 18 volts. >The power light flashed orange and the machine would not turn on. >Does this mean that the Lib does have some oer voltage protection circuit? > >Cheers > >Dave > > _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: in car power supply
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 16:26:01 From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply That would be the bit that says: (10/17/98) It is obvious that you can use your car's battery in the same way you use the above external battery. Just replace the 12V battery with an igniter plug, you are ready to go! You even do not need the 15V cheating battery and the "Y" splitter. Simply start your car first (so the igniter voltage output will be raised to 13.5-14.5V) and then plug it in. You can then turn off your car if you are not driving. Don't worry about draining out your car's battery, it can power your L50 continuously for couple days if it has been fully charged. I'd agree it's ok to use the car battery power...but not with the engine running :) Neil >From: Dan Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Libretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Libretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: in car power supply >Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 00:35:33 -0700 > >Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 17:32:07 +1000 >From: Dan Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: in car power supply > >You better go back and read the whole article Pres Look at the >external battery write up again > >Dan Baker. > >Pres Waterman wrote: > > > Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 02:37:08 -0300 > > From: "Pres Waterman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: in car power supply > > > > > >>All the info I have came from Dr. Xin's site > >> www.fixup.net in the cool tips section, I know what everyone is saying > >> about dirty power from both motorbikes and cars. I know I was taking a > >> risk in plugging my little libby in to the car but I did and it > >> survived, so did all the others that are talked about on Xin's site... > > > > > > > > No, Xin's trick is for an external battery, not to connect to a car! > > > > Pres Waterman W2PW > > c/o Patchogue Motors, Inc. > > Long Island Ford and Kia dealer > > > > GO BILLS! > _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
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Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 16:22:01 From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply Re oscilloscopes: I use various of the Pico range - http://www.picotech.com/40_42_100.html - which are ideal for the sort of stuff I usually have to do on site...I like *very much* the 40 and 42 that fit into a 25 pin D-Type and goes straight onto the parallel port. Neil p.s. I used to live in Reading too... >From: Dan Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Libretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Libretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: in car power supply >Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 00:35:31 -0700 > >Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 17:31:12 +1000 >From: Dan Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: in car power supply > >Hey Neil, > I didn't think you were having a go, this sort of thing >is a great topic of discussion and I am always fascinated to hear what >other users do with their Libs... There aren't many of us here in >Australia! > My father perked his ears up at the oscilloscope... What software >and hardware is there apart from our little friend? He is a service tech >working with commercial catering equipment in restaurants all over >Australia.. > Both he and I are Poms, used to live in Reading, Berkshire > > Best Regards, > Dan Baker. > _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
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Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 17:34:55 +0200 From: "Dave's Libretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply Hi all, Just to mention that whilst running my 100CT from a not too good power source, it received 18 volts. The power light flashed orange and the machine would not turn on. Does this mean that the Lib does have some oer voltage protection circuit? Cheers Dave ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: in car power supply
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 17:32:07 +1000 From: Dan Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply You better go back and read the whole article Pres Look at the external battery write up again Dan Baker. Pres Waterman wrote: > Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 02:37:08 -0300 > From: "Pres Waterman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: in car power supply > > >>All the info I have came from Dr. Xin's site >> www.fixup.net in the cool tips section, I know what everyone is saying >> about dirty power from both motorbikes and cars. I know I was taking a >> risk in plugging my little libby in to the car but I did and it >> survived, so did all the others that are talked about on Xin's site... > > > > No, Xin's trick is for an external battery, not to connect to a car! > > Pres Waterman W2PW > c/o Patchogue Motors, Inc. > Long Island Ford and Kia dealer > > GO BILLS! > > > > > ** > http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list > http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives > http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ > ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe > UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- > Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... > ** > > ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
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Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 17:31:12 +1000 From: Dan Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply Hey Neil, I didn't think you were having a go, this sort of thing is a great topic of discussion and I am always fascinated to hear what other users do with their Libs... There aren't many of us here in Australia! My father perked his ears up at the oscilloscope... What software and hardware is there apart from our little friend? He is a service tech working with commercial catering equipment in restaurants all over Australia.. Both he and I are Poms, used to live in Reading, Berkshire Best Regards, Dan Baker. neil barnes wrote: > Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 06:09:18 > From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: in car power supply > > Heya Dan, > > I wasn't sniping at you in the other comments regarding power supplies > etc :) It's one of those things...if you do it, it will probably work > ok...but it might blow first time. In particular, I'd expect to find > older cars to be worse than more modern ones though in both cases, the > cig lighter is usally wired straight from the fusebox... > > I very rarely use mine in the car - when I do, I have a car->12v dc > converter from a previous laptop which I use with the kicker to get it > to start. It's around 80-90% efficient IIRC. I'm waiting for someone > to produce a decent car radio which can read data cds with mp2/3 files > as well as normal CDs (it has to have DAB, with intelligent default to > RDS FM, as well, and it has to cost no more than a couple of hundred > quids!) > > My background is broadcast engineering, where I expect to design > equipment with 15-20 year lifespans, so like most of my colleagues I > tend to be a very conservative designer. I don't run things near their > power ratings if I can possibly avoid it :) > > THe lib gets used all round the world on my travels, including use as > an oscilloscope/signal generator and network debugger, and I write > code on it too... > >> From: Dan Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: Libretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: Libretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: in car power supply >> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 16:30:24 -0700 >> >> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 09:26:04 +1000 >> From: Dan Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: in car power supply >> >> G'Day Neil, >> All the info I have came from Dr. Xin's site >> www.fixup.net in the cool tips section, I know what everyone is saying >> about dirty power from both motorbikes and cars. I know I was taking a >> risk in plugging my little libby in to the car but I did and it >> survived, so did all the others that are talked about on Xin's site... >> For me the Libretto is impractical as a desktop machine, it's >> just too small, but in combination with a GPS it is brilliant for in-car >> navigation as well as hiking and camping. The cost of extended batteries >> (I would love a couple!) is insane, especially when one Australian >> Dollar is worth half a U.S. and a third of a Pound! The libby cost me >> $800 Australian including C.D Rom, network and modem card. This was very >> cheap and I could not pass it up. However, batteries are $140 for normal >> and $220 for extended, I cannot justify even one... >> I was put on to Xin's site and found the cheater circuit there to >> trick the beast into accepting 12 Votls as an input. The photos on the >> site and replies from users all over the world convinced me it was safe >> (replies are in the cool talk section). The battery is fused as is the >> Libby itself and the where's and how-to's of repairing a broken fuse are >> all shown and described. >> As I said, I understand all of the concerns and negatives of >> doing what I do, but having done it now for two plus years I am happy >> with what I am doing and will quite happily point people in the >> direction of Xin's site. It is the only practical means for me to use >> the Libretto's functionality. >> I do have an inveter mounted in my 4x4, and have on occasion >> used that to power the Libretto, however the current consumption, as I >> am sure you know, is well up compared to a direct connection. >> What are your thoughts on all of this Neil? How do you power your >> unit and what do you use it for mainly? >> >> I would be interested to hear from other users as to their uses >> and means in regards to their Librettos. >
Re: in car power supply
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 02:37:08 -0300 From: "Pres Waterman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply >All the info I have came from Dr. Xin's site > www.fixup.net in the cool tips section, I know what everyone is saying > about dirty power from both motorbikes and cars. I know I was taking a > risk in plugging my little libby in to the car but I did and it > survived, so did all the others that are talked about on Xin's site... No, Xin's trick is for an external battery, not to connect to a car! Pres Waterman W2PW c/o Patchogue Motors, Inc. Long Island Ford and Kia dealer GO BILLS! ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: in car power supply
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 06:09:18 From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply Heya Dan, I wasn't sniping at you in the other comments regarding power supplies etc :) It's one of those things...if you do it, it will probably work ok...but it might blow first time. In particular, I'd expect to find older cars to be worse than more modern ones though in both cases, the cig lighter is usally wired straight from the fusebox... I very rarely use mine in the car - when I do, I have a car->12v dc converter from a previous laptop which I use with the kicker to get it to start. It's around 80-90% efficient IIRC. I'm waiting for someone to produce a decent car radio which can read data cds with mp2/3 files as well as normal CDs (it has to have DAB, with intelligent default to RDS FM, as well, and it has to cost no more than a couple of hundred quids!) My background is broadcast engineering, where I expect to design equipment with 15-20 year lifespans, so like most of my colleagues I tend to be a very conservative designer. I don't run things near their power ratings if I can possibly avoid it :) THe lib gets used all round the world on my travels, including use as an oscilloscope/signal generator and network debugger, and I write code on it too... >From: Dan Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Libretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Libretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: in car power supply >Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 16:30:24 -0700 > >Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 09:26:04 +1000 >From: Dan Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: in car power supply > >G'Day Neil, > All the info I have came from Dr. Xin's site >www.fixup.net in the cool tips section, I know what everyone is saying >about dirty power from both motorbikes and cars. I know I was taking a >risk in plugging my little libby in to the car but I did and it >survived, so did all the others that are talked about on Xin's site... > For me the Libretto is impractical as a desktop machine, it's >just too small, but in combination with a GPS it is brilliant for in-car >navigation as well as hiking and camping. The cost of extended batteries >(I would love a couple!) is insane, especially when one Australian >Dollar is worth half a U.S. and a third of a Pound! The libby cost me >$800 Australian including C.D Rom, network and modem card. This was very >cheap and I could not pass it up. However, batteries are $140 for normal >and $220 for extended, I cannot justify even one... > I was put on to Xin's site and found the cheater circuit there to >trick the beast into accepting 12 Votls as an input. The photos on the >site and replies from users all over the world convinced me it was safe >(replies are in the cool talk section). The battery is fused as is the >Libby itself and the where's and how-to's of repairing a broken fuse are >all shown and described. > As I said, I understand all of the concerns and negatives of >doing what I do, but having done it now for two plus years I am happy >with what I am doing and will quite happily point people in the >direction of Xin's site. It is the only practical means for me to use >the Libretto's functionality. > I do have an inveter mounted in my 4x4, and have on occasion >used that to power the Libretto, however the current consumption, as I >am sure you know, is well up compared to a direct connection. > What are your thoughts on all of this Neil? How do you power your >unit and what do you use it for mainly? > > I would be interested to hear from other users as to their uses >and means in regards to their Librettos. > > Best Regards, > Dan Baker. > >neil barnes wrote: > >>Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 05:30:59 >>From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: Re: in car power supply >> >>Dan, >> >>I'd be very happy to see the schematics for the intenal PSU of the lib >>- can you point me at them, or email, please? >> >>Neil >> >> >>>From: Dan Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>Reply-To: Libretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>To: Libretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>Subject: Re: in car power supply >>>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 21:35:24 -0700 >>> >>>Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 14:32:34 +1000 >>>From: Dan Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>Subject: Re: in car power supply >>> >>>I understand where you are coming from pres, but the libretto 50 has >>>plenty of filtration of its own... the charger is built in to the unit >>>and if you chec
Re: in car power supply
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 09:26:04 +1000 From: Dan Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply G'Day Neil, All the info I have came from Dr. Xin's site www.fixup.net in the cool tips section, I know what everyone is saying about dirty power from both motorbikes and cars. I know I was taking a risk in plugging my little libby in to the car but I did and it survived, so did all the others that are talked about on Xin's site... For me the Libretto is impractical as a desktop machine, it's just too small, but in combination with a GPS it is brilliant for in-car navigation as well as hiking and camping. The cost of extended batteries (I would love a couple!) is insane, especially when one Australian Dollar is worth half a U.S. and a third of a Pound! The libby cost me $800 Australian including C.D Rom, network and modem card. This was very cheap and I could not pass it up. However, batteries are $140 for normal and $220 for extended, I cannot justify even one... I was put on to Xin's site and found the cheater circuit there to trick the beast into accepting 12 Votls as an input. The photos on the site and replies from users all over the world convinced me it was safe (replies are in the cool talk section). The battery is fused as is the Libby itself and the where's and how-to's of repairing a broken fuse are all shown and described. As I said, I understand all of the concerns and negatives of doing what I do, but having done it now for two plus years I am happy with what I am doing and will quite happily point people in the direction of Xin's site. It is the only practical means for me to use the Libretto's functionality. I do have an inveter mounted in my 4x4, and have on occasion used that to power the Libretto, however the current consumption, as I am sure you know, is well up compared to a direct connection. What are your thoughts on all of this Neil? How do you power your unit and what do you use it for mainly? I would be interested to hear from other users as to their uses and means in regards to their Librettos. Best Regards, Dan Baker. neil barnes wrote: > Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 05:30:59 > From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: in car power supply > > Dan, > > I'd be very happy to see the schematics for the intenal PSU of the lib > - can you point me at them, or email, please? > > Neil > > >> From: Dan Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: Libretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: Libretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: in car power supply >> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 21:35:24 -0700 >> >> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 14:32:34 +1000 >> From: Dan Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: in car power supply >> >> I understand where you are coming from pres, but the libretto 50 has >> plenty of filtration of its own... the charger is built in to the unit >> and if you check the schematics can happily take 16.6 volts, yes your >> car can produce a surge greater than this voltage but it is very, very, >> rare >> There are 20+ people I know who regularly use there 50 ct's in car >> via a cig socket, sure fuse it for a bit of extra safety but it is quite >> fine... >> Yes, spend $50.00 and get an inverter (a lot of which aren't much >> safer than your car anyway), if you are uncomfortable with the direct >> plug-in. >> All I was relaying was that I know plenty of people who do it and I >> am one of them... No probs my end for two plus years now... >> >> Best Regards, >> Dan Baker. > > _ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > ** > http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list > http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives > http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ > ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe > UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- > Use above but add DIGEST to the subject > line... > ** > > ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
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Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 14:56:45 -0400 From: "Paul D. J. Davila" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: in car power supply Pres, I agree with you. I live in Brooklyn a frequent LI I grew up in Floral Park. I used to be in the auto industry my self. I am a NYS ATTP certified mechanic in all areas including automotive electronics and computer control . actually I am going to be putting my lib50 in a tank bag on a motorcycle to use as a gps system. lets just say if you think the power on a car is dirty you should try a motorcycle. I think ill stick with my current inverter set up using the original lib power cord as it hasn't given me any problems as of yet but will pick up one of the auto air adaptors soon. thanks everyone for your help. BTW is anybody interested in another lib50 I know of one for sale here in NY . Paul D. J. Davila Brooklyn NY 1987 Honda Super Magna VF700C http://www.pauld.alloffroad.com/ <http://www.geocities.com/bronco7794> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -Original Message- From: Pres Waterman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 6:50 PM To: Libretto Subject: Re: in car power supply Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 19:27:45 -0400 From: "Pres Waterman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply I really feel I must pipe in here, because there's a fresh set of faces trying to do the "obvious" and plug their Libretto in directly to a car. DON'T DO IT. I don't care if so-n-so has done it for 22 years. I know electronics, I know cars, and I know a dumb idea when I see it. Do you really think the $100 adapters that take a cigarette lighter plug into a Libretto/other laptop have nothing but air inside? NO. They're inverters, regulators, filters. They do a job. Hooking a $1000+ computer to raw dirty power to save a few bucks is just insane. Take an oscilloscope and look at the power in a car. Nice and clean. Now crank the engine. Spikes-noise-crud. Do what you want, but do not disseminate really bad advice just because you don't know better and have gotten away with it so far. Thanks Pres Waterman W2PW c/o Patchogue Motors, Inc. Long Island Ford and Kia dealer GO BILLS! ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... ** _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: in car power supply
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 05:30:59 From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply Dan, I'd be very happy to see the schematics for the intenal PSU of the lib - can you point me at them, or email, please? Neil >From: Dan Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Libretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Libretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: in car power supply >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 21:35:24 -0700 > >Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 14:32:34 +1000 >From: Dan Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: in car power supply > >I understand where you are coming from pres, but the libretto 50 has >plenty of filtration of its own... the charger is built in to the unit >and if you check the schematics can happily take 16.6 volts, yes your >car can produce a surge greater than this voltage but it is very, very, >rare > There are 20+ people I know who regularly use there 50 ct's in car >via a cig socket, sure fuse it for a bit of extra safety but it is quite >fine... > Yes, spend $50.00 and get an inverter (a lot of which aren't much >safer than your car anyway), if you are uncomfortable with the direct >plug-in. > All I was relaying was that I know plenty of people who do it and I >am one of them... No probs my end for two plus years now... > >Best Regards, > Dan Baker. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
RE: in car power supply
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 05:26:50 From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: in car power supply Paul, see my earlier post: what's in the lib is only there to look after charging the lithium cells and converting the output of the cells into the appropriate internal voltages - at a guess, 5v, 2.3-3.3 v, 12v, -12v, etc. The lib will only recognise an external supply if it hits 15v. However, once it's recognised it, it will cheerfully run on a lower voltage, down to around ten volts or so - this probably differs depending on individual machines. What happens when the input volts drop below a critical level is that the machine starts using the internal batteries...but because it thinks it's got an external power supply it won't tell you, and when the internal battery is exhausted it will fail silently - no beeps, no hibernation, no warning. Neil >From: "Paul D. J. Davila" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Libretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Libretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: in car power supply >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 09:55:10 -0700 > >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 10:50:25 -0400 >From: "Paul D. J. Davila" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: in car power supply > >so what your saying is the lib will run off of 12vdc rather than the 15vdc >that it is asking for. I was thinking about that because the battery is >only >10v ? > >Paul D. J. Davila >Brooklyn NY >1987 Honda Super Magna VF700C >http://www.pauld.alloffroad.com/ <http://www.geocities.com/bronco7794> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >-Original Message- >From: Shepardson, John D. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 11:20 AM >To: Libretto >Subject: in car power supply > > >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 09:16:24 -0700 >From: "Shepardson, John D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: in car power supply > > > I am looking to power my lib50 in my car. I have been using a rather >bulky > > 12v-110v converter. my question is is there another way. maybe a >smaller > > less plug involved method? > > > Paul D. J. Davila > >Sure there is another way. Take a pocket knife and cut the power cord >where >it enters your Lib and hard wire it into your car's dc electrical system. > >Works great, I have had mine attached for 3 years and 50,000 miles. > >John Shepardson > _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
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Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 05:21:03 From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply AARRRGGHHH! Irrespective of whether or not it worked for John, this is a Bad Idea[tm]. The power supply in the libretto saves space and heat by moving the major regulation off-board and into the mains adaptor. It's expecting 15.00v and anything above that level *will* cause problems. The power supply in a running car is less than clean - spikes of tens of volts are not uncommon (though running it from a fully charged battery with the other electrical systems (and of course the engine) off should be ok, if you can get it to recognise the external power). As an absolute minimum, use a shunt regulator consisting of a choke (inductor) in line, a large capacitor across the rails, and a 15v zener across the rails after a current limiting resistor. A slighly more sophistcated design would use a low drop-out series regulator instead. Calculation of the appropriate values is left as an exercise for the student - assume it needs to supply a peak current of 2A at 15v. (you didn't think I was going to risk getting shouted at when you break your lib using my values, did you? :) The prefered option is to use a DC-DC converter which contains within itself the necessary chopper, feedback, rectification, and regulation circuits - imagine using a dc-110 and 110-dc without the 110v bit. I don't know about the US market, but I've seen these available in the UK. If you can't find a 15v unit, you can use a 12v output unit - these are much more common - with the kicker circuit from Xin's page. Sorry to harp on - but like Pres said, if it's worked, you've been lucky. And replacing your lib is now no longer as easy as going to the shop and buying a new one. Neil >From: "Shepardson, John D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Libretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Libretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: in car power supply >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 09:20:05 -0700 > >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 09:16:24 -0700 >From: "Shepardson, John D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: in car power supply > > > I am looking to power my lib50 in my car. I have been using a rather >bulky > > 12v-110v converter. my question is is there another way. maybe a >smaller > > less plug involved method? > > > Paul D. J. Davila > >Sure there is another way. Take a pocket knife and cut the power cord >where >it enters your Lib and hard wire it into your car's dc electrical system. > >Works great, I have had mine attached for 3 years and 50,000 miles. > >John Shepardson _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: in car power supply
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 14:32:34 +1000 From: Dan Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply I understand where you are coming from pres, but the libretto 50 has plenty of filtration of its own... the charger is built in to the unit and if you check the schematics can happily take 16.6 volts, yes your car can produce a surge greater than this voltage but it is very, very, rare There are 20+ people I know who regularly use there 50 ct's in car via a cig socket, sure fuse it for a bit of extra safety but it is quite fine... Yes, spend $50.00 and get an inverter (a lot of which aren't much safer than your car anyway), if you are uncomfortable with the direct plug-in. All I was relaying was that I know plenty of people who do it and I am one of them... No probs my end for two plus years now... Best Regards, Dan Baker. Pres Waterman wrote: > Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 19:27:45 -0400 > From: "Pres Waterman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: in car power supply > > I really feel I must pipe in here, because there's a fresh set of faces > trying to do the "obvious" and plug their Libretto in directly to a car. > > DON'T DO IT. > > I don't care if so-n-so has done it for 22 years. I know electronics, I know > cars, and I know a dumb idea when I see it. > > Do you really think the $100 adapters that take a cigarette > lighter plug into a Libretto/other laptop have nothing but air inside? NO. > They're inverters, regulators, filters. They do a job. Hooking a $1000+ > computer to raw dirty power to save a few bucks is just insane. > > Take an oscilloscope and look at the power in a car. Nice and clean. Now > crank the engine. Spikes-noise-crud. > > Do what you want, but do not disseminate really bad advice just because you > don't know better and have gotten away with it so far. > > Thanks > > Pres Waterman W2PW > c/o Patchogue Motors, Inc. > Long Island Ford and Kia dealer > > GO BILLS! > > > > > ** > http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list > http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives > http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ > ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe > UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- > Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... > ** > > ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: in car power supply
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 19:27:45 -0400 From: "Pres Waterman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply I really feel I must pipe in here, because there's a fresh set of faces trying to do the "obvious" and plug their Libretto in directly to a car. DON'T DO IT. I don't care if so-n-so has done it for 22 years. I know electronics, I know cars, and I know a dumb idea when I see it. Do you really think the $100 adapters that take a cigarette lighter plug into a Libretto/other laptop have nothing but air inside? NO. They're inverters, regulators, filters. They do a job. Hooking a $1000+ computer to raw dirty power to save a few bucks is just insane. Take an oscilloscope and look at the power in a car. Nice and clean. Now crank the engine. Spikes-noise-crud. Do what you want, but do not disseminate really bad advice just because you don't know better and have gotten away with it so far. Thanks Pres Waterman W2PW c/o Patchogue Motors, Inc. Long Island Ford and Kia dealer GO BILLS! ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
Re: in car power supply
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 08:32:34 +1000 From: Dan Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply The lib 50 needs 14.6 volts approx to run... your car when running is putting out about 14.7 at the cigarette lighter socket.. go to tandy and buy a socket that will fit the power on the side of the lib, I think it is 3.5 ID 6 OD then wire a cig socket on making sure the positive is centre, while the car is running plug the lib in presto... I have been doing it with my Lib 50 for years goto www.fixup.net and look in the cooltips section that will keep you busy for a while! Tell me how you go Dan Baker Shepardson, John D. wrote: > Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 09:16:24 -0700 > From: "Shepardson, John D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: in car power supply > >> I am looking to power my lib50 in my car. I have been using a rather bulky >> 12v-110v converter. my question is is there another way. maybe a smaller >> less plug involved method? > >> Paul D. J. Davila > > > Sure there is another way. Take a pocket knife and cut the power cord where > it enters your Lib and hard wire it into your car's dc electrical system. > > Works great, I have had mine attached for 3 years and 50,000 miles. > > John Shepardson > > > > > ** > http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list > http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives > http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ > ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe > UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- > Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... > ** > > ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
RE: in car power supply
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 10:50:25 -0400 From: "Paul D. J. Davila" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: in car power supply so what your saying is the lib will run off of 12vdc rather than the 15vdc that it is asking for. I was thinking about that because the battery is only 10v ? Paul D. J. Davila Brooklyn NY 1987 Honda Super Magna VF700C http://www.pauld.alloffroad.com/ <http://www.geocities.com/bronco7794> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -Original Message- From: Shepardson, John D. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 11:20 AM To: Libretto Subject: in car power supply Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 09:16:24 -0700 From: "Shepardson, John D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: in car power supply > I am looking to power my lib50 in my car. I have been using a rather bulky > 12v-110v converter. my question is is there another way. maybe a smaller > less plug involved method? > Paul D. J. Davila Sure there is another way. Take a pocket knife and cut the power cord where it enters your Lib and hard wire it into your car's dc electrical system. Works great, I have had mine attached for 3 years and 50,000 miles. John Shepardson ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... ** ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
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Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 06:17:33 -0400 From: "Lee A. Dickinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: in car power supply The Mobility EasiPower will do it. Here's a link... http://www.pcconnection.com/scripts/productdetail.asp?product_id=136734 Lee - Original Message - From: Paul D. J. Davila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Libretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 4:15 AM Subject: in car power supply > Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 03:09:26 -0400 > From: "Paul D. J. Davila" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: in car power supply > > I am looking to power my lib50 in my car. I have been using a rather bulky > 12v-110v converter. my question is is there another way. maybe a smaller > less plug involved method? > > Paul D. J. Davila > Brooklyn NY > 1987 Honda Super Magna VF700C > http://www.pauld.alloffroad.com/ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > ** > http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list > http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives > http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ > ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe > UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- > Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... > ** > ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---UNSUBSCRIBE--- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=cmd:unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Use above but add DIGEST to the subject line... **
