Re: osx classic authoring question..
I tried both and found I got better results booting into 9. I'm in the same boat...Director and a few good MIDI/music apps holding me up from the big move. *sigh* Josey On Friday, August 9, 2002, at 05:24 PM, g r i m m w e r k s wrote: > hey all - thinking of making the switch to total osx bootup, and > wondering > who is authoring in Classic mode rather than booting into 9? > > Macromedians take note: Director and a good midi app are the only things > that are keeping me from going completely over. It really is > discouraging > when the thing you use to make a living (as I'm primarily a lingo guy) > is > what keeps you from updatingmakes you feel as if you're the unloved > child. > > [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to > http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, > email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). > Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] > [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: osx classic authoring question..
Oh...and I also found I got better results booting directly into the "Classic" 0S9 system folder rather han running in Classic directly from within OSX...'specially if I was having to talk to any devices (this might apply to the MIDI stuff too...dunno...haven't tried that). Anyway, this would save you from having to keep an OSX boot and a completely separate OS9 boot. Also, honing my ActionScript chops under OSX just in case...but let's not go down that cynical road again. :-P Josey On Friday, August 9, 2002, at 08:19 PM, 2702NET wrote: > I tried both and found I got better results booting into 9. > > I'm in the same boat...Director and a few good MIDI/music apps holding > me up from the big move. *sigh* > > Josey > > On Friday, August 9, 2002, at 05:24 PM, g r i m m w e r k s wrote: > >> hey all - thinking of making the switch to total osx bootup, and >> wondering >> who is authoring in Classic mode rather than booting into 9? >> >> Macromedians take note: Director and a good midi app are the only >> things >> that are keeping me from going completely over. It really is >> discouraging >> when the thing you use to make a living (as I'm primarily a lingo guy) >> is >> what keeps you from updatingmakes you feel as if you're the unloved >> child. >> >> [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to >> http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, >> email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email owner- >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with >> programming Lingo. Thanks!] >> > > [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to > http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, > email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). > Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] > [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: changing icon of projector
careful though...Iconizer is great but won't work with an XP projector. Another option is Versiown from Goldshell - very easy to use and works with all Windows platforms. Check the updateStage Table O' Xtras (www.updatestage.com) for more options. HTH, Josey On Wednesday, September 18, 2002, at 02:03 PM, Buzz Kettles wrote: > go to penworks.com & check the Xtras listed there. [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: ANN: LingoFish available at last!
Dear Robert, This looks great and useful. I'll test it on our Macs here and send any feedback to you off list. Best Regards, Josie On Wednesday, October 30, 2002, at 02:26 PM, Robert Tweed wrote: OK, I've been saying I'll release this "soon" for months now, but finally it's up on my site. Highly optimised Blowfish implemented in pure Lingo. Hope some of you find this useful. http://www.killingmoon.com/director/lingofish/ One thing, could someone with a Mac please test it for me. The second page is a test/demo movie that runs the cipher through a set of standard test vectors. If they fail, then the implementation has a flaw. It works fine on Windows, but I have not had a chance to test on a Mac yet, and some of the integer arithmentic could possibly fail. I hope not though, because I spent days tightening it up, so it's about as efficient as you will ever get in Lingo. - Robert [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: jaugar and director
?!...is it Apple...or is it Macromedia not being ready for OSX? I've found that avoiding running D 8.5 under OSX (classic) entirely is the way to go. Booting from an external firewire drive containing OS 9.2 is a great, easy way to do it - running all my stuff (like D 8.5) not yet ready for the new MacOS...with the latest Mac OS installed on my machine's "primary" drive. Never occurred to me to blame Apple. Classic is a pretty amazing technical feat - but it is what it is. As an "emulator" there are bound to be certain limitations you won't find running natively on an OS. On Tuesday, November 5, 2002, at 06:02 PM, matt johansson wrote: the probs with osx are never ending. i've gone back to classic. apple need to get there crap together. Carol Mahaffy wrote: hey list-- I am having lots of problems running director 8.5.1 on mac osx jaguar. I switch to classic to run director but am having problems with dragging sprites to reposition them on the score duplicates them and crashing when i drag a sprite from the cast to the score or stage. Is anyone using director this way and is it just a bad install? Will rebuild in the am but just curious if I got myself in a world of hurt by installing osx. thanks --carol [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email owner- [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: Start the PC-machine when dead.. Lost gone mci-commands
...or generated using a Markov Chain perhaps? On Wednesday, November 6, 2002, at 07:59 PM, Jakob Hede Madsen wrote: At 8:07 +0800 07/11/02, Brad Hile wrote: Looks like a bad case of " freeonlinetranslationitis" Actually I think it's just a troll. I think I recognize the style and the 'snow' theme from earlier stints. It's quite harmless, I would even say amusing, and will probably go away by itself in a short while. I wonder if it's actually hand-written or created by some kind of 'Lisa' program. Isn't the Name Lisa? Anyway, you know the kind of program that can mix different texts, at certain intelligent junctures, so as to make the text appear to have a meaningful syntax. Still, I think it is quite intriguing to try to extract some kind of communication from it, and it's a funny reminder that text can be shaped in many other ways than we usually use. than in intriguing it we usually of some and use. extract from reminder be Still, is it's try to that can funny I many kind text it, think quite shaped to communication other ways a Cheers, Jakob [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: OT:second hand Director ?
Just be careful... For one, I'm not sure if the Macromedia EULA allows transfer of license. As a connected issue, there might also be tech support issues (if you end up needing direct support)...so there's that to consider. Also, you should note that online auction sites have been identified as prime locations for sales of pirated Macomedia software. See the following link re: Macromedia's anti-piracy program (which includes some warnings about purchasing software on auction sites): http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/logged_in/swozniak_piracy.html Josey On Sunday, November 24, 2002, at 05:33 PM, Therese wrote: Hi List.sorry about the offtopic... A friend of mine wants to buy "director 8" secondhand at Ebay. I dont know anybody who´s done that before, or what macromedia thinks about such things, so I dont know if I can recommend it? Has anyone got any experience in these matters, maybe you could give me some pointers, what to think about when purchesing a secondhand director version Thanx alot... [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: ANN: Director MX
Hey...I'm happy to see it being released on OS X. Thousands of dollars or not...I've made much much more than I laid out for the tool. This is my livelihood and I'm happy to fork over a bit of cash to help in the effort to keep me gainfully employed. Als, re the changes - they're not groundbreaking/earth-shattering by any means - but they are a bit more than cosmetic don't you think? I have my cash ready, Josey On Monday, November 25, 2002, at 08:19 AM, Florian Bogeschdorfer wrote: Am 25.11.2002 13:46 Uhr schrieb "nik crosina" unter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: http://www.macromedia.com/software/director/ I read it on a german lingo list few hours ago, think being based in london and speaking german gave me a bit of an time based adavantage here... basically it is just a new interface with minor updates (OS X support - big plus for some, I guess). but not enough to justify a few hundred quid for an update. Me too. I am very upset that apparently almost nothing from the wishlist has been realized. What is the wishlist for then anyway? I did not detect major new features apart from OS X, MX and some cosmetics. I spent 3000 USD the last two years for xtras and have to spend 2000 more next year. On the German list someone was happy that it is going to be released at all. Sorry, but spending thousands of dollars on director the last years, I don't have to be grateful, do I? Florian [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: ANN: Director MX
I agree...was just about ready to buy a bunch of hosted MUS space. Glad I held off. On Monday, November 25, 2002, at 07:50 AM, Ross Clutterbuck wrote: Blimey...I'm a bit excited now In addition to the MX interface and the inherent integration therein, it's nice to see that Director is now closing the time gap between the release of new versions of Flash and Quicktime and Director actually supporting it. The new server technology stuff looks good, but I'm gonna miss the Multiuser Server... Ross __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Calling ActiveX DLLs
Hi folks.. I have what may be a somewhat naive and OT question, but here goes: Can GLU32 Xtra be used to call *ActiveX* DLLs? If not, is there an Xtra that can be used for this? Issues/gotchas I may need to be aware of? TIA, J [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: Calling ActiveX DLLs
or...can I use the MM ActiveX Xtra? A DLL is not a Control...but... On Friday, December 6, 2002, at 03:29 AM, 2702NET wrote: Hi folks.. I have what may be a somewhat naive and OT question, but here goes: Can GLU32 Xtra be used to call *ActiveX* DLLs? If not, is there an Xtra that can be used for this? Issues/gotchas I may need to be aware of? TIA, J [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: Calling ActiveX DLLs
Oh...if it makes things any clearer...some semantics - an ActiveX control is aka a COM DLL. J On Friday, December 6, 2002, at 03:44 AM, 2702NET wrote: or...can I use the MM ActiveX Xtra? A DLL is not a Control...but... On Friday, December 6, 2002, at 03:29 AM, 2702NET wrote: Hi folks.. I have what may be a somewhat naive and OT question, but here goes: Can GLU32 Xtra be used to call *ActiveX* DLLs? If not, is there an Xtra that can be used for this? Issues/gotchas I may need to be aware of? TIA, J [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: Calling ActiveX DLLs
Aaah...Thanks Fraser. That might be just the thing. J On Friday, December 6, 2002, at 09:40 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you could try the vbscript xtra which is $75 for custom dlls: http://www.xtramania.com/Products/VbScriptXtra/ very useful for communicating with ActiveX dlls hth Fraser [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: Calling ActiveX DLLs
Thanks Roy! :-) You know how gets with the late nights and all...makes one a bit batty. Actually you've helped quite a bit. I was having trouble distinguishing between ActiveX DLLs and Controls (Search online for pertinent information and you get a lot of programmers arguing about the differences with no clear answer). I've learned (since my little conversation w/myself) that they are essentially the same 'cept ActiveX DLLs present no visual interface - are not "pixel-creating" as you say. That being the case, I should have no problem using MM's own, free ActiveX Xtra. Yay. Thanks for the advice and confirmation. Will let you know how it all works out. Best Regards, J On Friday, December 6, 2002, at 09:10 AM, roy crisman wrote: I hope I'm not interrupting your conversation with yourself...:) You should be able to import ActiveX bits and use them. Try to import them via: Insert > Control > ActiveX... My current project uses several different (custom) ActiveX components, to control an external motor, communicate with a camera, control some c++ code objects for creating rendering chains, log stuff, etc. After importing them, they'll be cast members, then I pop them on the stage, and move them off-screen if they aren't pixel creating activeX's. roymeo At 03:58 AM 12/6/2002 -0500, you wrote: Oh...if it makes things any clearer...some semantics - an ActiveX control is aka a COM DLL. J On Friday, December 6, 2002, at 03:44 AM, 2702NET wrote: or...can I use the MM ActiveX Xtra? A DLL is not a Control...but... On Friday, December 6, 2002, at 03:29 AM, 2702NET wrote: Hi folks.. I have what may be a somewhat naive and OT question, but here goes: Can GLU32 Xtra be used to call *ActiveX* DLLs? If not, is there an Xtra that can be used for this? Issues/gotchas I may need to be aware of? TIA, J [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: speech
Are you running Windows? Do you have a Microsoft SAPI TTS engine installed? As described in the Macromedia Tech Note provided on the Director Support page, use the voiceInitialize() function to test for the required components. If this function returns false then you know you're missing something. You'll want to use voiceInitialize() in your applications as well to make sure end users have a TTS engine properly installed. http://www.macromedia.com/support/director/ts/documents/ dmx_using_access_xtra.htm Josey On Friday, Dec 20, 2002, at 08:28 US/Eastern, Fabrice Closier wrote: installed DMX 2 days ago, en now got a mail saying there is an update on trial because it was buggy on the speech thing... unstalled the old one, installed the new one, but no speech at all. how do you make the speech running? got nothing in lib, no xtra... if i put servicevoice() as describe in note at M site, got "handler not definied", so i guess the xtra is just ain't there at all...or i'am totally blind. someone can point me out the way to give a voice to my texts? Fabrice [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: speech
ah. good man. Just out of curiosity...have you tried the voiceInitialize() function... what's that returning? On Friday, Dec 20, 2002, at 09:52 US/Eastern, Fabrice Closier wrote: no, mac OSX 10.1.5 2702NET heeft op vrijdag 20 december 2002 om 15:04 het volgende geschreven: Are you running Windows? Do you have a Microsoft SAPI TTS engine installed? As described in the Macromedia Tech Note provided on the Director Support page, use the voiceInitialize() function to test for the required components. If this function returns false then you know you're missing something. You'll want to use voiceInitialize() in your applications as well to make sure end users have a TTS engine properly installed. http://www.macromedia.com/support/director/ts/documents/ dmx_using_access_xtra.htm Josey On Friday, Dec 20, 2002, at 08:28 US/Eastern, Fabrice Closier wrote: installed DMX 2 days ago, en now got a mail saying there is an update on trial because it was buggy on the speech thing... unstalled the old one, installed the new one, but no speech at all. how do you make the speech running? got nothing in lib, no xtra... if i put servicevoice() as describe in note at M site, got "handler not definied", so i guess the xtra is just ain't there at all...or i'am totally blind. someone can point me out the way to give a voice to my texts? Fabrice [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email owner- [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Shockwave keyboard focus
Hi folks... Simple question (I think). I'm working on a Shockwave app that uses lots of keyboard control. Is there a way to give the Shockwave movie (running in a web browser) the "focus" so that the user doesn't have to mouse click on the movie interface to make keyboard control work? i.e. I need keyboard control to work right away (w/o the mouse click) for non-visual users. I've banged around and searched list archives and MM docs but haven't come up with anything. Any suggestions? TIA, J [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: Shockwave keyboard focus
Ah! Thanks Colin. That *does* make a lot of sense. I tried a bunch of different kludges and settled on putting the following (for non-visual users) into the app's help doc: "Maximize your browser window and click on the left side of the screen" Makes me cringe, but I'm all out of cleverness and I *do* understand the potential security issues now that you've pointed them out to me. Another solution I considered was to have a downloadable stub that would itself launch the movie URL in a browser and synthesize a mouse click (using MasterApp) to give the Shockwave movie the focus. But this seemed like a little much just to solve the "focus" issue. Thanks again, J On Sunday, Feb 2, 2003, at 11:02 US/Eastern, Colin Holgate wrote: No legal way (there may be some way involving Active-X for all I know). The reason you need to click is because if you didn't have to it would be possible for someone to post a tiny shockwave movie in a page, so small that nobody would notice it, and all the movie would do would be to send every key stroke you do back to their site. You could literally watch everything that someone was typing, even if they had switched over to their e-mail or a word processor, or were logging onto servers using their password. That counts as a security hole! [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: Shockwave keyboard focus
thanks Buzz...I'm actually familiar with that method. ;-) The issue here was what to do for my audience of blind/visually impaired users who can't *see* a button. Spent a day's work on finding a solution in and out of Lingo. Having the b/vi users maximize the browser window and then click somewhere on the screen is kinda cheezy but seems my only alternative (without using a projector that does the launching and synthesizes a mouse click). Ideas? J On Sunday, Feb 2, 2003, at 15:27 US/Eastern, Buzz Kettles wrote: the standard method is a button that says 'Click Here to Start' ... -Buzz [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: Shockwave keyboard focus
To improve on this method I've created a large loading screen without ant interface "controls" which can be clicked anywhere by a b/vi user to give the Shockwave movie the focus before loading files and coming to the "main menu." Again, not the best but will prob do the trick. On Sunday, Feb 2, 2003, at 15:38 US/Eastern, 2702NET wrote: The issue here was what to do for my audience of blind/visually impaired users who can't *see* a button. Spent a day's work on finding a solution in and out of Lingo. Having the b/vi users maximize the browser window and then click somewhere on the screen is kinda cheezy but seems my only alternative [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: Shockwave keyboard focus
hmm, that's an interesting suggestion matthias...I only need a simple
auditory
indication when the mouse is over any spot of the big 600 X 800 loading
window. I'd be more comfortable with this then simply asking b/vi users
to find a window with only the visual indications in place. Most will
have screen
reading technology (which would prob enable them to locate the Shock
movie in the window
though I can't say for sure how that would work w/different screen
reading packages) but it still comes across as a "we thought of you
last and you'll just have to make due" kind
of thing - which is obviously bad. Obviously, I'd want something built
right into the movie.
I'll let you know how your approach works out.
Thanks,
J
On Sunday, Feb 2, 2003, at 18:06 US/Eastern, Matthias Amberg wrote:
well
maybe you could compare the stage rect to the mouse loc and give the
user
audible help how to focus ("left left left closer hothot hot cold
click" ) or something like this.
matthias
At 15:45 Sunday02.02.2003, you wrote:
To improve on this method I've created a large loading screen without
ant interface "controls" which can be clicked anywhere by a b/vi user
to give the Shockwave movie the focus before loading files and coming
to the "main menu." Again, not the best but will prob do the trick.
On Sunday, Feb 2, 2003, at 15:38 US/Eastern, 2702NET wrote:
The issue here was what to do for my audience of blind/visually
impaired users
who can't *see* a button. Spent a day's work on finding a solution
in and out
of Lingo. Having the b/vi users maximize the browser window and then
click somewhere
on the screen is kinda cheezy but seems my only alternative
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Re: Director MX(& 8.5) bug
Buzz doesn't mean that it's not annoying - just that it may be an (intended) "design flaw" rather than an (unintended bug). On Wednesday, Feb 5, 2003, at 21:43 US/Eastern, Jeremy wrote: I can understand calling whatever trim white space does if its enabled, but its really lame for director to square off the image with jacked up dimensions if it is disabled. Just by disabling it, that doesn't mean I want director adding stuff to my bitmap. I don't see how that could not be a bug, even if it has done it forever. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Buzz Kettles Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 8:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Director MX(& 8.5) bug the Paint Window automatically calls "trim white space" whenever 'editing' is done. There's no way to avoid this. I don't think it's a bug per se - It's been this way forever - It IS annoying though. hth -Buzz At 8:09 PM -0500 2/5/03, you wrote: I have reported what I believe to be a bug to macromedia, and decided to send out a copy to the list just so people are aware. It's not a show stopper or bad one by any means, but it doesn't hurt to be made aware of it. Here is a simple copy/paste from my bug submission to macromedia. It effects 8.5 as well, and I can't think of why this would be an intentional side effect of the feature involved. Read on if your interested. There seems to be a paint window bug in director. I am able to reproduce it using the following steps. When importing a bitmap, and unchecking the "trim white space" box, the bitmap is imported into the cast just fine, and the dimensions in the property inspector is reported correctly. However, if I double click that image to open it in the paint window, then double click the selection tool to select the image, then use one of 2 90degree rotate buttons, when I close the paint window afterwards, the dimensions of the image get messed up some way. For example, I discovered this issue when I needed to rotate a bitmap that was 125x287. I opened it in the paint window, double clicked the selection marquee to select the entire image, then rotated the image. When I close the paint window and commit the change, the dimensions now read 303x303. This appears to happen whenever rotating any bitmap using those rotation tools. The horizontal and vertical flip tools are not affected by this bug. Another interesting quirk is that if I import the same bitmap, but leave the "trim white space" box checked during import, this bug does not show up, so it seems to be somehow related to the trim white space option. I was able to reproduce this bug with the images I was using in the project at the time, which were to be used as textures for domino models, and I was also able to reproduce using a solid color bitmap. In short, bitmaps imported with the trim white space option off, get messed up dimensions when rotating using the 90degree rotate tools in the paint window, and bitmaps with the trim option on are not affected. Even toggling the Trim option on/off in the property inspector will enable/disable this bug. Even rotating a 134x134 solid color bitmap, when trim is off, results in dimensions of 151x150, and the same bitmap rotated with trim on, doesn't affect the dimensions if the square. I can think of no reason this effect would be intented, so I am reporting this as a bug. [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: Director on Os X
Under Mac OS 9.2 (or earlier) or OS X, you can't open up more than one Director Movie at time. Also, you can't run multiple instances of Director as you can under Windows. J On Tuesday, Feb 11, 2003, at 15:45 US/Eastern, ives1026 wrote: In the past, on older OS versions, you could not open up more than one Director Movie/File at a time. Has this issue been fixed for the newer OS? Thanks. [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: Director on Os X
ahhh.that *would* work wouldn't it? I need to be more creative. :-) On Tuesday, Feb 11, 2003, at 15:52 US/Eastern, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not true. Just copy the actual director app (not the rest of the files) and just open a second app. [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: Director on Os X
Just tested under OS X to confirm Grimm's suggestion and it works just fine. Since you can do that I don't see it as a real problem and definitely no more than a minor inconvenience. Just make a second copy of Director MX app and drag to the dock right next to your #1 Director MX app for convenient launching. On Tuesday, Feb 11, 2003, at 15:54 US/Eastern, Colin Holgate wrote: I'm not sure if that's possible with OS X, so in a sense the problem is worse now than before, if your goal is to have two movies open for editing at the same time [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Director TrueType support?...
This might be a "Kerry Question" Are TrueType fonts supported in Director?..looks to me like they're not...'less I'm missing something. TIA, J [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
was: Director TrueType support?...now: nevermind
My bad...looks as if they are...generally...still having trouble displaying Asian TrueType fonts though. J On Thursday, Feb 13, 2003, at 23:06 US/Eastern, 2702NET wrote: Are TrueType fonts supported in Director?..looks to me like they're not...'less I'm missing something. [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: was: Director TrueType support?...now: nevermind
Yes! The Kerry answer...exactly what I was hoping for! I have actually followed, with great interest, all the discussions re: fonts over the last year - which is why I asked for your expertise in particular. When I wrote for help I was actually attempting some work with Vietnamese and with Korean. Localization is going to be a hugely relevant (and hard issue) for me since I'm creating accessible multimedia (for blind, dyslexic and learning disabled folks) which I hope can be distributed throughout the world - including some places that don't traditionally have access to these kinds of materials. I'm in the process of setting up machines that will be running "non-Western" Director localizations. I've archived all your previous responses regarding text display and localization and this one will definitely get added to that collection. I've learned a bunch from you. Thanks! It seems for broad support I would probably want to go with Unicode in a Flash text sprite...or no? J On Friday, Feb 14, 2003, at 12:27 US/Eastern, Kerry Thompson wrote: AFAIK Asian language fonts are double byte which director doesn't support. More accurate than most, Brad ^_^ Here goes Kerry, chasing the localization goose again. Please to stifle the groans ^_^ English, German, and French Director don't support anything except ISO 8859.1 (Latin 1), which corresponds to the Windows-standard ANSI. Multibyte fonts may or may not work--it's hit or miss. If you want to use multibyte fonts, it's best to build your projector on Japanese or Korean Director, on Japanese, Chinese, or Korean Windows/Mac. CCJK (Japanese, Korean, and the two versions of Chinese) are multibyte. That's close to double byte, but not exactly. They are combinations of single-byte and double-byte characters. For the most part, the single-byte characters correspond to ISO 8859.1, or ANSI, characters--Western European. Other Asian languages--Vietnamese, Lao, Khmer, Tibetan--are single-byte. I haven't done Thai, but I think it's single-byte as well. Incidentally, a common misconception is that Cyrillic (Russian) is double-byte. It isn't--it's single-byte. And then there's Unicode, which actually is double-byte for all languages. (Though that's not entirely accurate any more, either). Cordially, Kerry Thompson [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: Director TrueType support?...
Kerry, Cool beans. I've tested since writing and found that the TrueType fonts I need at the moment seem to work fine. Also discovered that previous "problems" I had with TrueType fonts were actually "code page issues" as you describe them. What's happening on OS X with support for most available fonts in most available languages? How do they do that? Are they using Unicode... is it a benefit of using the PDF technology for display? How do they work it so you can switch easily between various localizations on the same machine? Little OT, I admit (sorry Tab!) - but may directly influence the Lingo wrangling I do on these next few projects - and how I address these kinds of issues cross-platform. Thanks again, J On Friday, Feb 14, 2003, at 11:50 US/Eastern, Kerry Thompson wrote: Yes, TrueType fonts work in Director. Most of 'em, at least--you might have problems with something like Cyrillic or Greek, but that's a code page issue, not TrueType per se. [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: was: Director TrueType support?...now: nevermind
Kerry, As usual, that was a very helpful and informative message. Particularly grateful for the information on potential gotchas with the Flash Asset Xtra and what you did for workaround. We had a cool discussion here about some things we're doing after I shared your message w/my little group. I will most definitely keep you and the other folks appraised of our efforts to bring these accessible "rich media" applications to all kinds of folks everywhere. We are also doing plenty of compatibility testing i.e. what works and doesn't work with assistive technology like screen readers, what kind of Lingo workarounds did we use, did Lingo need to be complimented, how did we do it, etc., etc. Will try to give back in return for all the good stuff I've gotten from the braniacs on this list. On Friday, Feb 14, 2003, at 13:12 US/Eastern, Kerry Thompson wrote: Very interesting--and worthwhile. And challenging ^_^ Keep us updated on what you find. You'll probably know more about localization than I do by the time you're finished. [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: Director TrueType support?...
Thanks Mare! J On Friday, Feb 14, 2003, at 14:13 US/Eastern, mare wrote: The OS uses Unicode. But Director MX on Mac OS doesn't :-( [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: Unicode support
It seems the way to go for me (with an eye out for the little gotchas noted in Kerry's earlier posts)...close to enough to native for me and I don't mind the "Flash in Director" layer. As long as I get the job done. On Sunday, Feb 16, 2003, at 21:46 US/Eastern, Bruce Epstein - Zeus Productions wrote: Can't Director MX just use Flash assets to garner Unicode support? Granted, you might not want to have the "Flash in Director" layer, but it should be possible. [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: record sound
I've used the Audio Xtra from updateStage (www.updatestage.com) successfully to do this. HTH, J On Tuesday, Jan 1, 2002, at 10:36 US/Eastern, universal2001 wrote: hi, I'm trying to create a pronunciation practise presentation. I want the user record thier voice and then the projector save the sound file in a folder and the play it using the same projector again so that the user able to compare the original prnunciation and thier recording. what xtras or script or program do I need to do this? thanks! Uni [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Paul Farry's Xtras
Anybody know anything about the availability of Paul Farry's Xtras? The Xtras appear to be for sale but I can't seem to contact Paul. Paul are you on this list? Thanks, J [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: was: Director TrueType support?...now: nevermind
Hi Javier, Thanks! I did end up going with the Flash text sprite. So far so good. J On Thursday, Feb 20, 2003, at 21:02 US/Eastern, Javier R. Buzzalino wrote: I think you should put all your texts in Flash, and when you are ready, you select the text and click in the option Break Apart (Ctrl+B), so that, when you import it on Director, you won't have problems. [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: icon question
My favorite is "Versiown" from Goldshell. I've just used it recently under MX and distributed for 98,XP,2000...no problems yet. HTH, Joe On Thursday, Feb 27, 2003, at 15:35 US/Eastern, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the best way of changing icons for a pc projector? I've used microangelo in the past, but it seems to kill projectors now... -- Kafka's Daytime +011 609 683 0554 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.kafkasdaytime.com [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: [XPOST] Director Product survey
'cept a follow up message confirming the survey was sent by Kraig Mentor at MM...no? On Friday, Mar 28, 2003, at 02:21 US/Eastern, Mayuresh wrote: I think MM would have hosted such a survey themselves because using something like this just seems a tad bit unprofessional. -- [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: GetPixel() to compare colors
BTW, if you don't have James' book I highly recommend it. Plenty of nice imaging lingo stuff. Kerry's and Gretchen's reviews at Amazon say it all. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0072132655/104-9270019- 9338345?vi=glance Joe On Thursday, Jun 5, 2003, at 12:01 US/Eastern, James Newton wrote: Hi Rodrigo, If you need to compare a large number of pixels, you will find it much faster to use copyPixels() rather than getPixels(). CopyPixels() is like a SCUBA diver: it can dive into Director's C++ imaging routines and do a lot of work on a lot of pixels at once. GetPixel() is like a skin diver: it wastes a lot of time coming back up to Lingo for air between each operation. [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: Authorware/Flash/Director job op in Arlington, VA
http://www.rhassociates.com/scorm.htm On Saturday, Jun 7, 2003, at 11:18 US/Eastern, Joshua Race wrote: What the heck is a SCORM compliant environment??? [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: Including Flash asset
You're better off storing your Xtras - including the Flash Asset Xtra - outside of the projector in an "Xtras" folder. This is generally regarded as the "professional" way to do it. Should also solve the Vector shape problem. HTH, J On Monday, Jun 9, 2003, at 09:29 US/Eastern, Jussi Jokinen wrote: Tech note says that I should include the Flash asset xtra into projector. So I do that (modify - movie - xtras) and publish, but still no good. HOW should I include that Xtra?? [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: Regex xtra osx?
On Tuesday, Jun 24, 2003, at 20:47 US/Eastern, g schafer wrote: Where's the regular expressions xtra again, http://openxtras.org/pregex/ and is it osx? Yes [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: Regex xtra osx?
BTW, the 'Table O' Products' maintained by Gretchen Macdowall is a great place to check for Xtras. Find it here: http://www.updatestage.com/products_table.html On Tuesday, Jun 24, 2003, at 20:47 US/Eastern, g schafer wrote: Where's the regular expressions xtra again, and is it osx? [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Macromedia Breeze - response
Well, it might not be so cut and dry...though I'll agree that anyone that's in the multimedia consulting/contracting biz might prefer different wording. First, we have to grow and evolve as the products do...if Macromedia is selling a product that makes the deployment of simple Power Point presentations easier then you may want to capitalize on a different sort of work. it could be that the Macromedia "marketing-speak" for this product has an element of truth to it. As a good consultant, I'd tell my client if I thought Breeze was the best solution for a particular project. I'd tell the client if I thought hey didn't need my skills for a particular job and could do it cheaply with a readily available product. Pretending there's not a better option will bite you in the butt later and is not good for business. As for the MM market-speak skewing the perceptions of clients or potential clients - or even misinforming them...I consider it part of my job to inform my client. I try to cut through the jargon and pitches when I do this - and keep my own pitch honest. It's good for business and I've learned to give people credit for often thinking things out on their own. Many people understand that the Breeze marketing pitch is just that. It's true and not true. They'll want to know more - from you *and* Macromedia. Breeze is easy...but easy usually also means "somewhat limited options" - there will always be room for more complex development jobs that can't be completed with the "drag and drop" style of multimedia design. Speaking of "drag and drop" design...didn't Director revolutionize multimedia development with features like prebuilt behaviors and the score metaphor? I wonder if the hardcore coders were offended by this development? Did it take some business away from folks with the deeper knowledge. Maybe...but I doubt it put them out of business. When weighing options for how to complete a project - as I always do for a client - consider Breeze and don't forget the cost. Breeze is easy, but it's targeting corporate customers and is a bit more expensive to get set up with. How does the cost of Breeze stack up against the cost of having *you* do development. The style of Breeze presentations is a lot like Power Point (so that's nothing nothing new)...I'm impressed more with how Breeze is setup to ease broad *deployment* of this kind of simple multimedia presentation. The public will benefit...we multimedia developer types may or may not have to adjust the way we do business - depends on what your focus is. Either way, this kind of evolution and competition is just part of the job. My two cents, J [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Prob w/key commands w/install menu
Hi All, I've some installed menus (using installMenu) which include key commands. Key commands work fine until a MIAW is opened and then forgotten. After the MIAW has been opened and forgotten key, commands no longer work with the projector. Anybody have experience w/this? What am I doing wrong? BTW, no problems w/the menus themselves, just the key commands. Director MX WIN 2000 TIA, J [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Was: Prob w/key commands. Solved...well kind of
Hi Dan, I've got a solution...well kind of. It's clunky and unattractive but it's working. This is definitely a Director "quirk" that spans MX and recent (heh...and not so recent) Dir. versions across all platforms. After looking around a bit more on the web and seeing instances of similar difficulties, I employed the oft recommended "fix" of removing and installing the menu. Now, whenever I've launched a MIAW, I remove and reinstall the menu. There's a visible "bump" when the menu is removed/installed (definitely not pretty) but at least it fixes the key command problem. It'd be nice if the Macromedia folks would think about fixing this one since it appears it's been a problem (documented by MM folks themselves) since about D5. Hm. Thomas H.? J On Sunday, Aug 17, 2003, at 23:33 US/Eastern, Daniel Nelson wrote: I've seen this on Macintosh OS 9. Not the other systems. Is this in a projector or in authoring? Regards, Daniel I've some installed menus (using installMenu) which include key commands. Key commands work fine until a MIAW is opened and then forgotten. After the MIAW has been opened and forgotten key, commands no longer work with the projector. Anybody have experience w/this? What am I doing wrong? BTW, no problems w/the menus themselves, just the key commands. Director MX WIN 2000 [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: Was: Prob w/key commands. Solved...well kind of
Ech. I'm glad you mentioned that. It's unlikely that the MIAW(s) will be opened 255 times - but it *could* happen. I could, of course, catch the keys myself, but I need the menus - and I need the key commands to be indicated in the menus. Further, the key commands need to be as "standard" as possible e.g. CTRL+?/COMMAND+? for Help. Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see any way to do this w/o causing a conflict w/the menus or nixing the menus entirely. Any ideas? Third party solutions i.e. Xtras? Current Dir. "menu:" implementation doesn't seem like a very serious effort. On Monday, Aug 18, 2003, at 03:05 US/Eastern, Alex da Franca wrote: At 23:50 Uhr -0400 17.08.2003, 2702NET wrote: After looking around a bit more on the web and seeing instances of similar difficulties, I employed the oft recommended "fix" of removing and installing the menu. AFAIK you'll be out of luck after 256th time installing the menu, because it stops working completely. so this is only an option, if you do know, that your user won't open and close the MIAW 255 times :-( have you thought in triggering the key events yourself ? -- ||| a¿ex -- [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: Was: Prob w/key commands. Solved...well kind of
Hi Alex, Thanks, that sounds like a plan. It''s a pain in the butt...but it's a plan. :-) If there are better solutions, I haven't been able to think of 'em. Cheers, J On Monday, Aug 18, 2003, at 07:01 US/Eastern, Alex da Franca wrote: At 3:31 Uhr -0400 18.08.2003, 2702NET wrote: Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see any way to do this w/o causing a conflict w/the menus or nixing the menus entirely. Hi 2702NET, leave it as it is now and ADD your own key triggering. now you have a function assigned to each shortcut. you can call the same function with your own key event triggering. then you'd only need some logic to avoid duplicate calls. either you can trigger the keys on events, that are only sent, if not handled by the menu itself (which is rather risky esp. if you want to target 'unknown' systems or x-plat etc.) or start a 'timer' if you execute the handler and do not execute the handler if it is called twice within a given range of milliseconds/ticks. just a thought. maybe there are better solutions... Any ideas? Third party solutions i.e. Xtras? Current Dir. "menu:" implementation doesn't seem like a very serious effort. for the fact, that it doesn't seem to be changed since, hm 1996 ?, it's not that bad ;-) it goes along with the nice '96 style buttons and controls... -- ||| a¿ex -- [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: Prob w/key commands w/install menu
Hi Daniel, I'm developing on Win 2000, where the problem is easily repeatable...but it's also happening on Win XP. Still need to test properly on Mac 9 & X. I'll prob give "The Logo Creator" a try here today...however, keep in mind that I've been able to open & forget MIAWs at least a couple of times before key commands don't work anymore. J On Monday, Aug 18, 2003, at 08:41 US/Eastern, Daniel Nelson wrote: Does anyone know which platforms this is true on? The key commands always work on my WinXP Dell. Forgetting MIAWs doesn't affect them. J (and anyone else interested), would you mind conducting an experiment using a Director product I wrote? We've had the product out since around June 10, and have had no complaints about key commands failing. A free demo--fully functional except for image exporting--of The Logo Creator is available from http://www.download.com. Just search for "logo creator". After you install it, run it (I also recommend internet updating to bring it up to version 3.0.8), and press command-n/control-n for a new document. Then select Window->About The Logo Creator. Close that window. Wait a couple seconds to allow the timeout object to forget the window. Then try command-t/control-t. If the commands work, the word "new" will appear in the canvas. Please let me know whether key commands still work on your system after forgetting the "About" MIAW. Thank you, Daniel Hi All, I've some installed menus (using installMenu) which include key commands. Key commands work fine until a MIAW is opened and then forgotten. After the MIAW has been opened and forgotten key, commands no longer work with the projector. Anybody have experience w/this? What am I doing wrong? BTW, no problems w/the menus themselves, just the key commands. Director MX WIN 2000 TIA, J [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: Was: Prob w/key commands. Solved...well kind of
Right. That *does* still hold true in the current version...which is why I didn't see any solution earlier. On Monday, Aug 18, 2003, at 12:51 US/Eastern, Cole Tierney wrote: Be aware that the menu will absorb all & key combo presses. Maybe this has changed in resent versions. Haven't checked late [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: Autorun
Also, if your user is on a (Windows) LAN/corporate network, autorun is probably turned off for security reasons i.e. as I remember, unless you have administrator privileges under 2000 & XP, autorun will be OFF. So, users w/o administrator privileges won't be able to do anything about the autorun feature being turned off anyway. On Wednesday, Sep 24, 2003, at 12:49 US/Eastern, Howdy-Tzi wrote: Most have this set to on by default. In general those who have autorun turned *off* have done so deliberately, are well aware of what autorun is and does, and have deactivated it specifically because they don't like it. So odds are very good that such a message to such users would not be regarded as helpful or desirable. [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: HTML and email
Hi Diego, The only reasonably reliable method is to use the DirectEmail Xtra from www.directxtras.com (there are some other free ways to attack the problem - but I don't recommend them). This is definitely your best bet, but even w/the Xtra you'll need to be aware of Port 25 blocking issues (many ISPs block users from sending email through any mailserver but their own). One option is to allow the user the option of entering their own mailserver to avoid the Port 25 issue. Much more on this in the excellent and comprehensive DirectEmail documentation. HTH, J On Tuesday, Nov 18, 2003, at 10:15 US/Eastern, Diego Landro wrote: Dear co-listers, I am working on a Project and i´m facing a problem. In my app i have to send an email through Director. The point is i could not find how to do this. I know i can put a link mailto into Lingo, but that would open my email clien and what i want is to send the mail via Lingo, without outlook, OE ar any other app getting in the way, so, is there a way to open a network connection and send the email via Lingo?, do i need an Xtra? Which one? (so many questions...). The other thing is i have to send an HTML mail. Regarding this, i think i can compose the HTML code using text and variables and assigning the whole thing to a HUGE variable something like "the_mail=$mail_code&", is this approach correct. If i use images, should i attach the images to the mail? How do i do this?, ´cause i don´t want to to have to download something over the net in order to see the pics (again, so many questions...) Thanks in advance Diego Landro Viamonte 1646 7º Of. 100 Tel. 4812-9979/7398 (1955) Ciudad de Buenos Aires --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 22/10/2003 [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: HTML and email
Actually, the name of the "sender" account is not the biggest issue...it's the *mailserver* being used to relay the mail that will getcha. Many ISPs require you to use their mailserver and only their mailserver. So, it might work fine on your own machine (since your mailserver, whatever it is, works w/your ISP)...however, it may not work at all for much of your target audience due to the above-described issue...that is, if you're using the Email Xtra approach. If you wanted to go nuts and make this method work you could set up a mailserver (or get someone to do it for you) that will listen on an alternate port (other than 25)...you change the port you're sending through using the DirectEmail Port() function. On Wednesday, Nov 19, 2003, at 10:15 US/Eastern, Diego Landro wrote: The thing is the traffic won´t be too high and i have a pop3 account i would be using as "dummie" account for the sending process, so i guess it won´t be any pot 25 blocking issues here. [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: HTML and email
Hi Diego, Yeah, you can have them enter their own mail server...just keep in mind (depending on your audience) some may not know their mail server. J On Wednesday, Nov 19, 2003, at 11:29 US/Eastern, Diego Landro wrote: Now i get the point, thanks "2702Net", though i have a valid email account it wont work because the end user ISP would block the use of another mail server, and i just can´t work that around, can I? Well i guess ill have to have an error check (suppose i get some error when this blocking happens) and if it occurs then ill have the user assign its own smtp adress. That should work, right? Diego Landro Ciudad de Buenos Aires - Argentina -Mensaje original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de 2702NET Enviado el: Miércoles, 19 de Noviembre de 2003 12:52 p.m. Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: HTML and email Actually, the name of the "sender" account is not the biggest issue...it's the *mailserver* being used to relay the mail that will getcha. Many ISPs require you to use their mailserver and only their mailserver. So, it might work fine on your own machine (since your mailserver, whatever it is, works w/your ISP)...however, it may not work at all for much of your target audience due to the above-described issue...that is, if you're using the Email Xtra approach. If you wanted to go nuts and make this method work you could set up a mailserver (or get someone to do it for you) that will listen on an alternate port (other than 25)...you change the port you're sending through using the DirectEmail Port() function. On Wednesday, Nov 19, 2003, at 10:15 US/Eastern, Diego Landro wrote: The thing is the traffic won´t be too high and i have a pop3 account i would be using as "dummie" account for the sending process, so i guess it won´t be any pot 25 blocking issues here. [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 22/10/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 22/10/2003 [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: HTML and email
I hear ya...and it may not be as bad as *most* of the time, either (though the server side approach [as Troy, I think it was, pointed out] is still your best approach)...I've noticed that Earthlink will let me send to a non-Earthlink mail server multiple times before the messages begin to be blocked. Not sure why that is - but I can generally squeeze out a few emails - at least w/that particular ISP. Keep in mind that you'll also probably be blocked from sending from within most corporate networks as well (your connection attempt will time out or a "host is unreachable" error will be returned)...just something to keep in mind in case you're demoing your deliverable in an office LAN environment. On Wednesday, Nov 19, 2003, at 19:41 US/Eastern, Diego Landro wrote: Well, that´s true, and regarding my audience they will NOT know thwir mail server for sure, but i have to give them some opportunity, don´t you think , and aldo have to please the client by showing them that one way or the other you CAN send the mail, though most of the times obviously this won´t be possible, but anyway, the mail option is just that and is not key to the development, so... THANKS AGAIN! Diego Landro - Original Message - From: "2702NET" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 1:32 PM Subject: Re: HTML and email Hi Diego, Yeah, you can have them enter their own mail server...just keep in mind (depending on your audience) some may not know their mail server. J On Wednesday, Nov 19, 2003, at 11:29 US/Eastern, Diego Landro wrote: Now i get the point, thanks "2702Net", though i have a valid email account it wont work because the end user ISP would block the use of another mail server, and i just can´t work that around, can I? Well i guess ill have to have an error check (suppose i get some error when this blocking happens) and if it occurs then ill have the user assign its own smtp adress. That should work, right? Diego Landro Ciudad de Buenos Aires - Argentina -Mensaje original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de 2702NET Enviado el: Miércoles, 19 de Noviembre de 2003 12:52 p.m. Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: HTML and email Actually, the name of the "sender" account is not the biggest issue...it's the *mailserver* being used to relay the mail that will getcha. Many ISPs require you to use their mailserver and only their mailserver. So, it might work fine on your own machine (since your mailserver, whatever it is, works w/your ISP)...however, it may not work at all for much of your target audience due to the above-described issue...that is, if you're using the Email Xtra approach. If you wanted to go nuts and make this method work you could set up a mailserver (or get someone to do it for you) that will listen on an alternate port (other than 25)...you change the port you're sending through using the DirectEmail Port() function. On Wednesday, Nov 19, 2003, at 10:15 US/Eastern, Diego Landro wrote: The thing is the traffic won´t be too high and i have a pop3 account i would be using as "dummie" account for the sending process, so i guess it won´t be any pot 25 blocking issues here. [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 22/10/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 22/10/2003 [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.197 / Virus Database: 261.2.0 - Release Date: 18/11/2003 -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.197 / Virus Database: 261.2.0 - Release Date: 18/11/2003 [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PRO
HTML and email
Hi Nik (but more for Diego), Many ISPs will block this too...they don't want you running your own mail server...so you can't count on it being reliable. Plus, you've gotta do way more error handling since you're don't have a relaying mail server to take care of managing the delivery of messages for you. But, of course, it depends on what you need your software to do, your audience - sender ISPs and receiver ISPs...it might work fine for you. There are so many variables to worry about with both of these methods that it really is worth looking into doing it server-side in which case you'll have none of these worries (as mentioned in an earlier post). The following director-online article by Zac Belado (link below) gives a nice overview. The goToNetPage method is crap and not worth your consideration...there is nice discussion re the server-side and DirectEmail methods: http://www.director-online.com/buildArticle.php?id=477 Also, the lingo-l archive has previous discussions with expert input on the same topic. J On Friday, Nov 21, 2003, at 05:40 US/Eastern, nik crosina wrote: I haven't been following this thread closely, so I might suggest something irrelevant or already mentioned: Why don't you send the email without a mailserver. That's possible with the DirtectEmail Xtra. I have done this many times for CD-ROMs and never had any problems so far. [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: Sound recognition and comparison
Ai!! In two weeks?! On Tuesday, Nov 25, 2003, at 20:24 US/Eastern, Mindy McCutchan wrote: Hi Everyone, I'm in a director course at Purdue, and my professor has just assigned my group a new project. It seems impossible to me (especially since we have 2 weeks to do it), but I'm hoping someone can give me some direction. Our task is to create a player to stream MP3's that works with digital rights management and allows users to search for songs that sound similar to the one they are listening to in terms of rhythm & pace. It's the sound recognition that has me stumped. I believe id3v2 contains BPM that I could reference, but I didn't think it was possible to read anything but v1 tags in director. If anyone could point me to some references, I would really appreciate the help. So far, I can't find anything. Thank you in advance! :) Cheers, Mindy [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: AW: Sound recognition and comparison
On Wednesday, Nov 26, 2003, at 14:31 US/Eastern, Florian Bogeschdorfer wrote: I would definitely take a look at http://www.as-ci.net/asSound/index.html This xtra is for analyzing sound. Just to be clear, though...this Xtra won't work for Mindy's project because it's only for analyzing audio at the audio input. Mindy needs to analyze audio *files*. (That's w/o discussing the sheer craziness if writing any kind of audio spectral matching program within two weeks [folks have worked large chunks of their careers developing this kind of software - e.g. for use in sample library management systems - and patented their work]...Buzz's suggestion of querying the music database seems just the thing...and limits the scope of the project to something close to manageable). You might also try to contact Antoine, the writer of the xtra. Looks like he is a pro. Maybe he can help you. [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: AW: Sound recognition and comparison
On Wednesday, Nov 26, 2003, at 19:56 US/Eastern, Buzz Kettles wrote: right - as I said, it only measures volume ... -- ..and only at the input. It doesn't work on files, right? J [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: Script window flushing
You can't, in my experience...I think saving and then relaunching works for me...but there's nothing else you can do AFAIK. J On Friday, Dec 5, 2003, at 16:07 US/Eastern, Peter Bochan wrote: Hi, Just a quick question: when working with big scripts how do I get rid of constant flushing (or flashing) of script window whenever I typed in a new character? When you spend a considerable amount of time you get really irritable of this. TIA [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: Script window flushing
Well, yeah...turning off syntax hiliting does the trick...but I find I rely pretty heavily on syntax hiliting. On Friday, Dec 5, 2003, at 18:14 US/Eastern, Warren Ockrassa wrote: Try turning off syntax hiliting and/or line numb [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: os x command line
Hi Thor, There is an Xtra which you can use to call Java classes... The Moka Xtra: http://www.integrationnewmedia.com/ However, for something so simple as what you'd like to do AppleScript, would be the way to go, right?...or maybe AppleScript and a shell script. J On Thursday, Dec 18, 2003, at 21:17 US/Eastern, thor wrote: Hi there guys ! I need to start a Java server which I use to communicate between Director and a sound application. I usually start it up by using the Terminal, but if I want to distribute the application, then I'd rather have this automatic, i.e. the user should not have to start up the terminal and do some messy stuff there. Is it possible to call Java classes from Director? There might be an xtra, but I'd rather not have to buy one. Would you recommend AppleScript for this perhaps? Any tips? thanks in advance thor [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: PC System Information
You can return all this information with DirectOS Xtra (www.directxtras.com)...also, check the lexicon for native Lingo for returning memory info (the freeBytes, etc.). You'll be able to return an *approximate* processor speed with DirectOS Xtra...but there'll be a slight variation for this value each time it's returned. HTH, J On Tuesday, Feb 10, 2004, at 09:28 US/Eastern, Ross Clutterbuck wrote: Greets Part of a project I'm pitching for currently involves my Director app to read off system information for the PC it's running on (processor, memory, etc.). For some reason I thought Buddy API had functions I could use to do this but so far I've not had much luck reading throug the docs. Any tips, Xtras (as cheap as possible too) on how to acheive this? TIA Ross [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: Merits of JS in Director
Hi Ross, You make some interesting points here...however, just wanted to mention for the record that you have the same RegEx power with Lingo using the free PRegEx Xtra (thanks to Thorman & Singh) - w/which you can even use shorthand, Perl-ish syntax...so the RegEx stuff is not really new or a unique advantage of using JS within Director. J On Thursday, Feb 12, 2004, at 10:38 US/Eastern, Mark Jonkman wrote: Hi Ross I see a lot of merits of JS in Director. You open the door to bringing more people into Director quickly with a lower learning curve. Those people might be ActionScript programmers, they might be C++ programmers or Java programmers.. it doesn't really matter. I have difficulties moving between various languages, whenever I spend any amount of time in Flash I come back to Director and start putting ";" after each line. Now I have the option of using JS Syntax to code and I will use it at times. It also means that I can go out to the net and find certains large chunks of code already written and ready to just drop in and use. It means that when I go on vacation, someone on my team that knows JS can at least have a chance in hell of debugging the program or fixing a small problem. JS is also very different then Lingo, therefore it adds a degree of flexibility that Lingo might not offer. It has regExp object from JavaScript so you get RegEx search and replace at runtime. JS is unicode under the hood, so you get some "quasy" unicode handling (until you go to display - but if your display is a Flash sprite, you might just get away with the unicode remaining intact). Its also a prototype based language that lets you do certain things that well, I can't say I like, but adding new methods and properties dynamically at runtime. There are somethings that JS will let you do that you would in the past have used a Flash object for like some string splitting, splicing and manipulation couple that with the RegEx and you have some pretty powerful things. If JS Syntax can bring new developers into Director, they might well adapt to and learn Lingo overtime, but this gives em the opportunity to get their feet wet comfortably before diving in. Lingo is faster then JS Syntax, so Lingo will become an asset to learn for speed intensive things. But why beat the bush, you like Lingo, I like both. I've been using JS Syntax rather intensely for sometime now and I think if you give it a shot, you'll find uses for it. Also, JS Syntax was a driving force behind the cleanup of the DOM in Director making it much much easier to work with Windows and even LDMs and many other subtle things that happened under the hood. So is JS Syntax good for Director, absolutlely. It forced a clean up of some aspects of Lingo and it will make Director more accessible to some new users. The more users, the more sales, the more sales the more money that goes into development. Sincerely Mark R. Jonkman _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en- ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgma rket%3den-ca [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: Merits of JS in Director
Sorry...I meant to address Mark. J On Thursday, Feb 12, 2004, at 12:57 US/Eastern, 2702NET wrote: Hi Ross, You make some interesting points here...however, just wanted to mention for the record that you have the same RegEx power with Lingo using the free PRegEx Xtra (thanks to Thorman & Singh) - w/which you can even use shorthand, Perl-ish syntax...so the RegEx stuff is not really new or a unique advantage of using JS within Director. J On Thursday, Feb 12, 2004, at 10:38 US/Eastern, Mark Jonkman wrote: Hi Ross I see a lot of merits of JS in Director. You open the door to bringing more people into Director quickly with a lower learning curve. Those people might be ActionScript programmers, they might be C++ programmers or Java programmers.. it doesn't really matter. I have difficulties moving between various languages, whenever I spend any amount of time in Flash I come back to Director and start putting ";" after each line. Now I have the option of using JS Syntax to code and I will use it at times. It also means that I can go out to the net and find certains large chunks of code already written and ready to just drop in and use. It means that when I go on vacation, someone on my team that knows JS can at least have a chance in hell of debugging the program or fixing a small problem. JS is also very different then Lingo, therefore it adds a degree of flexibility that Lingo might not offer. It has regExp object from JavaScript so you get RegEx search and replace at runtime. JS is unicode under the hood, so you get some "quasy" unicode handling (until you go to display - but if your display is a Flash sprite, you might just get away with the unicode remaining intact). Its also a prototype based language that lets you do certain things that well, I can't say I like, but adding new methods and properties dynamically at runtime. There are somethings that JS will let you do that you would in the past have used a Flash object for like some string splitting, splicing and manipulation couple that with the RegEx and you have some pretty powerful things. If JS Syntax can bring new developers into Director, they might well adapt to and learn Lingo overtime, but this gives em the opportunity to get their feet wet comfortably before diving in. Lingo is faster then JS Syntax, so Lingo will become an asset to learn for speed intensive things. But why beat the bush, you like Lingo, I like both. I've been using JS Syntax rather intensely for sometime now and I think if you give it a shot, you'll find uses for it. Also, JS Syntax was a driving force behind the cleanup of the DOM in Director making it much much easier to work with Windows and even LDMs and many other subtle things that happened under the hood. So is JS Syntax good for Director, absolutlely. It forced a clean up of some aspects of Lingo and it will make Director more accessible to some new users. The more users, the more sales, the more sales the more money that goes into development. Sincerely Mark R. Jonkman _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en- ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgm arket%3den-ca [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: Merits of JS in Director
Ah, you're right...good point...it's not. J On Thursday, Feb 12, 2004, at 13:18 US/Eastern, grimmwerks wrote: Ah, but is the PregEx shockwave as well? On 2/12/04 12:57 PM, "2702NET" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed forth: Hi Ross, You make some interesting points here...however, just wanted to mention for the record that you have the same RegEx power with Lingo using the free PRegEx Xtra (thanks to Thorman & Singh) - w/which you can even use shorthand, Perl-ish syntax...so the RegEx stuff is not really new or a unique advantage of using JS within Director. J [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: OS X Xtra to call UNIX shell?
Hi Brennan, How about an apple script executable (containing 'do shell script') which you can launch from your projector? J On Monday, Apr 12, 2004, at 05:37 US/Eastern, Brennan wrote: Hi folks, Does anyone know if there's an Xtra available which will allow us to make shell commands under OSX? This would be extremely handy and powerful, because you can include UNIX executables in projector bundles, and use Director to build a GUI around them. I know I can call 'do shell script' with Bruce Epstein's 'zScript' but that's overkill (and rather expensive). I'm hoping for a simple, lightweight solution. Does such a beast exist? Brennan [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: OS X Xtra to call UNIX shell?
Yeah, I'm just using text files to pass data back and forth. Not exactly an elegant solution. I've just purchased zScript and am going to give that a try as well. Short of using zScript or doing what I'm doing, I'd say there really is no lightweight/elegant solution. J On Monday, Apr 12, 2004, at 15:15 US/Eastern, Brennan wrote: On 12/4/04 at 10:06, 2702NET <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How about an apple script executable (containing 'do shell script') which you can launch from your projector? How would I pass data to the applescript app? Text files? The clipboard? Ugh. It's doable, but just too much overhead. I want a lightweight solution. I can do much of what I want with Applescript studio, but as soon as I move away from standard Aqua widgets and into a more custom GUI, it gets nasty. Brennan [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: OS X Xtra to call UNIX shell?
Being able to invoke shell scripts from lingo would also make it possible for developers to extend Director with the C language and generic tools, instead of being forced to learn all the complexities of Macromedia's open architecture with CodeWarrior and/or Visual Studio (the only two development tools supported by the XDK). It's a whole lot easier to learn to write a UNIX executable from scratch than it is to ascend the himalayas of Xtra development. At the moment I'm running a PERL script (launched from a projector) which I've "compiled" (using Perl2Exe) for DARWIN/UNIX. Creating the same functionality using Lingo or creating an Xtra (fogettabowdit) would've been much more time/labor-intensive than writing the PERL - and if it were implemented in Lingo, likely a good deal less efficient. PERL/shell script method is the way to go for me since I don't have the stones to attempt mastering the XDK. (Perl2Exe makes it a bit easier on Windows since you can compile natively for Windows [i.e. launch the compiled script like any other windows app]...on Mac OS X there is [currently] only the option for Perl2Exe to target DARWIN/UNIX ). I'll have to see if zScript provides a more streamlined solution for me (than my previous method of launching an AppleScript --> containing a 'do shell script' --> to launch the PERL executable ---> exchanging data using text files, etc.,etc.) ...particularly on letting me know when a UNIX application has "returned" (without having to "print" a value somewhere to be checked in a loop 'til the process is complete.). Joe Brennan [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: [x-post] How do I get the "metadata" of a PowerPointPresentation?
Hi Alex, This is just off the cuff - but have you looked into using BinaryIO Xtra from updateStage i.e. reading this information from the PowerPoint file directly? You would need the PowerPoint file specification which I assume is publicly available. Gilles On Thursday, May 13, 2004, at 07:32 US/Eastern, Alexandre Cop wrote: Hi all, Apologies to those who have received this email from another list... I need to find a way to read the following data in a PowerPoint presentation: Title, author, subject, comments. (that's the sort of thing you find when right-clicking the file in Windows and going into properties, summary). I've looked at DirectOS and BuddyAPI, but I don't see anything what would help me. Has anybody come across the same needs? Thanks! ... Alex ... [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
decimal to binary conversion...
Hi all, Anyone have code for decimal to binary conversion you wouldn't mind posting? TIA, J [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: decimal to binary conversion...
Actually, Chuck...thanks, I think this'll do just fine. Thanks also Daniel for the response, I'll check your code out too. Gratefully, Joe On Wednesday, Apr 28, 2004, at 09:41 US/Eastern, Chuck Neal wrote: This is old and not really optimized, but may be what you want... [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: decimal to binary conversion...
James Newton w/the hot, free code. My hero. Already plugging it in. Will give you an author credit. Hm. I wonder how many Lingo projects contain uncredited James Newton code? Probably lots. Really, much appreciated... Joe On Wednesday, Apr 28, 2004, at 12:10 US/Eastern, James Newton wrote: On 28/4/04 12:23 pm, "2702NET" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anyone have code for decimal to binary conversion you wouldn't mind posting? Hi J, This is about 30% faster than other leading brands :-) Cheers James --- - on DecimalToBitString(anInteger) - -- INPUT: can be any positive or negative integer -- OUTPUT: Returns a 32-character string of 0s and 1s corresponding -- to the binary representation of if anInteger < 0 then tBitString = DecimalToBitString(the maxInteger + 1 + anInteger) put "1" into char 1 of tBitString return tBitString end if tBitString = "" tZeros = 32 repeat while anInteger put anInteger mod 2 before tBitString anInteger = anInteger / 2 tZeros= tZeros - 1 end repeat -- Comment out the following lines to return a short string of -- 1s and 0s if you are working with positive numbers only repeat while tZeros tBitString = "0"&tBitString tZeros = tZeros - 1 end repeat -- return tBitString end DecimalToBitString on BitStringToDecimal(aBitString) - -- INPUT: should be a string of 1s and 0s -- OUTPUT: the integer corresponding to the binary number in -- tBaseTen = 0 tBits= length (aBitString) repeat with i = 1 to tBits tBaseTen = tBaseTen * 2 if (char i of aBitString = "1") then tBaseTen = tBaseTen + 1 end if end repeat return tBaseTen end BitStringToDecimal [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
charToNum() on very large string
Hi Folks, I need to grab ASCII codes for chars in a very large string and drop those codes into a list. At the moment, I'm doing the obvious and simple i.e. looping to the number of chars in the big string and returning the code for each char retrieved with charToNum() then appending the code to the list. repeat with x = 1 to the number of chars in reallyBigString thisCode = charToNum(char x of reallyBigString) append(myCodeList,thisCode) end repeat This is very inefficient and slow, particularly under OS X. Is there any slick way to do this (more) efficiently?...perhaps break it up somehow to run more quickly? TIA, Gilles [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: charToNum() on very large string
Daniel, Ah, I see...I'll try that...any speed improvement (even a small one) will be welcome. Yes, I've noticed OSX seems to be handling text very slowly. It also seems to be handling lists slowly as well. I'm going to give PRegEx Xtra a shot to see if I can't get around some of the speed issues (text and list processing) for this project. I'm reading in Binary files and I'm also going to try chunking in those in in much smaller pieces. I guess that'll help as well. Thanks much, Gilles On Saturday, May 1, 2004, at 02:58 US/Eastern, Daniel Nelson wrote: Hello Gilles, Unfortunately, not much. OSX just seems to be very slow at handling text in Director. A minor improvement might be the following: cnt = reallyBigString.length repeat with i = 1 to cnt myCodeList.append(charToNum(reallyBigString.char[i]) end repeat Note: I don't know that the use of more dot-syntax language will speed things up. It's just how I write Lingo. The efficiency is in not assigning the unnecessary "thisCode" variable each iteration and perhaps using a local variable "cnt" (count) instead of number of chars each iteration might save a little. But again, OSX is just slow with text. Regards, Daniel On May 1, 2004, at 1:32 AM, 2702NET wrote: Hi Folks, I need to grab ASCII codes for chars in a very large string and drop those codes into a list. At the moment, I'm doing the obvious and simple i.e. looping to the number of chars in the big string and returning the code for each char retrieved with charToNum() then appending the code to the list. repeat with x = 1 to the number of chars in reallyBigString thisCode = charToNum(char x of reallyBigString) append(myCodeList,thisCode) end repeat This is very inefficient and slow, particularly under OS X. Is there any slick way to do this (more) efficiently?...perhaps break it up somehow to run more quickly? TIA, Gilles [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] Daniel Nelson Blue Jade Creative Enterprises LLC [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: charToNum() on very large string
Hi Colin, The biggest are about 7 bytes/characters...in one "session" there may be as many as 10 or 20 of these files to import and convert. Speed in the conversion is essential. Overnight, I've adjusted my code so that bytes from the files are read in (and converted) in 5000 byte chunks. It's maybe about twice as fast this way (bringing it in in smaller chunks)...but still not fast enough. I might play around and see if can't squeeze out a little more speed by making the chunks even smaller. Cumulatively I'm going to guess that I won't get much of boost doing that. Anybody care to make a prediction? Funny, when I started this, I figured it'd be the IO and read/write that would be consuming...but that part's just fine. It's converting the imported strings/chars to integers that's really taking "forever." Gilles On Saturday, May 1, 2004, at 08:33 US/Eastern, Colin Holgate wrote: But again, OSX is just slow with text. I'm handling fairly big chunks of text in OS X without it seeming slow. How big is the original string that needs to be converted to a list of numbers? Also, how many times do you have to do that conversion, and does it really matter if it takes a while? [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: charToNum() on very large string
On Saturday, May 1, 2004, at 06:16 US/Eastern, Tab Julius wrote: Well, unless the string is changing in size right under your nose, you don't need to calculate the number of chars every single time. That's one small optimization you can do... numChars =the number of chars in reallyBigString repeat with x=1 to numChars Ah, Tab. That's something I haven't done. Hm, and that's a hint from your old "Lingo" book, isn't it? ... I doubt the size of the string has anything to do with it directly (meaning, breaking it up won't help). All you've got is a starting point of the string and an index into the string. It doesn't walk the string, it just adds the index to the starting point, so having separate smaller strings wouldn't do much (well, let me qualify - you say 'really big string' - what constitutes to you a really big string? Are we talking a couple thousand chars, or are you talking tens of thousands of chars?). Yes, they can be as much as tens of thousands. I'm working on a "small" one right now which is 68000 chars. :-) The size of the does have something to do with it only from the point of view that you have to do the operation x times over. Breaking up the string won't get you anyway, you'd still have to do it just as many times. Bringing in the chunks and operating on the smaller strings made a significant speed difference...perhaps I'm looking in the wrong place? If you want to explain what you're trying to do (the larger picture) there might be another way to accomplish it. Conceptually, what I'm trying to do is pretty simple: I'm reading in chars from encrypted (XOR) binary files, converting chars to ASCII codes, XORing the integer vals, then writing decrypted chars back out to files. But for now, take the number of chars out of the loop as suggested at top. Will do. Thanks again. [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: charToNum() on very large string
Whoa Nellie...that made a pretty noticeable difference. On Saturday, May 1, 2004, at 10:15 US/Eastern, 2702NET wrote: Well, unless the string is changing in size right under your nose, you don't need to calculate the number of chars every single time. That's one small optimization you can do... numChars =the number of chars in reallyBigString repeat with x=1 to numChars [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: charToNum() on very large string
Hi Slava, No, unfortunately, I'm writing to a specification. I'm not doing the encryption...just the decryption. Normally I just use DirectOS or Vlist Xtras for that. On Saturday, May 1, 2004, at 10:40 US/Eastern, Slava Paperno wrote: Are you at liberty to use other encryption schemes that don't require char-by-char conversion? UpdateStage has a bunch at http://www.updatestage.com/products_table.html#Encryption . I use BlowFish. Slava At 10:15 AM 5/1/04 -0400, you wrote: Conceptually, what I'm trying to do is pretty simple: I'm reading in chars from encrypted (XOR) binary files, converting chars to ASCII codes, XORing the integer vals, then writing decrypted chars back out to files. [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: charToNum() on very large string
Ultimately, I guess I'll probably look at cooking something up in RealBasic and launching that from my projector. It'd be nice to make it work natively in Lingo though. On Saturday, May 1, 2004, at 10:40 US/Eastern, Slava Paperno wrote: Are you at liberty to use other encryption schemes that don't require char-by-char conversion? UpdateStage has a bunch at http://www.updatestage.com/products_table.html#Encryption . I use BlowFish. Slava At 10:15 AM 5/1/04 -0400, you wrote: Conceptually, what I'm trying to do is pretty simple: I'm reading in chars from encrypted (XOR) binary files, converting chars to ASCII codes, XORing the integer vals, then writing decrypted chars back out to files. [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: charToNum() on very large string
Finally got some sleep...woke up to get a glass of water...shuffled
over to the computer to check email
and Wow, what a nice surprise. I'm going to try dropping it in now.
Thanks,
Gilles
On Saturday, May 1, 2004, at 15:25 US/Eastern, Colin Holgate wrote:
>I added this to your routine:
As usual, Colin is a stud.
Ok, if you want studly performance, I tried a different approach:
on chunky chunk
m = the milliseconds
thetext = member("test string").text
c = the number of chars in thetext
chunkcount = c/chunk
thelist = []
repeat with a = 0 to chunkcount
thesechars = char a*chunk to (a+1)*chunk of thetext
repeat with b = 1 to chunk
append thelist,chartonum(char b of thesechars)
end repeat
end repeat
howlong = the milliseconds - m
put "Char count:" & c & return & "How long:" & howlong
end
You can call this by putting this in the message window:
chunky n
where n is an integer that you can vary to see where the sweet spot
is. I already have timings, but I'll leave you to amaze yourself.
Here's a tester version that you can give a range of chunk sizes to:
on chunkytest n1,n2
bestyet = the maxinteger
bestn = 0
repeat with chunk = n1 to n2
m = the milliseconds
thetext = member("test string").text
c = the number of chars in thetext
chunkcount = c/chunk
thelist = []
repeat with a = 0 to chunkcount
thesechars = char a*chunk to (a+1)*chunk of thetext
repeat with b = 1 to chunk
append thelist,chartonum(char b of thesechars)
end repeat
end repeat
howlong = the milliseconds - m
if howlong < bestyet then
bestyet = howlong
bestn = chunk
end if
end repeat
put "Sweet Spot:" & bestn & return & "How Long:" & bestyet
end
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Re: charToNum() on very large string
I've used PRegEx for a very simple text search (just dropping contents of a text member into a PRegEx "StringList") and it saved me on a previous project. Truth is, I'd already hammered together quite a bit of code to do this XOR thing w/o it and wanted to make it work. Thomas/Colin's approach looks elegant to my inexperienced eyes...going to see what I can do w/that. Pulling the data in in chunks and dropping in the small optimization recommended by Tab and Daniel (and naively missed by yours truly) has really shaved off a bunch of time. I have a feeling that making it look more like Thomas' and Charlies' code will get it down to just a few seconds...which is what I need to do. Here goes...I'll let you know how it works out. Funny, I never thought of always operating on the front of the string as a solution. Now, seems an (all but obvious) way to improve the speed of getting through a big string. Gilles On Saturday, May 1, 2004, at 11:32 US/Eastern, Troy Rollins wrote: On May 1, 2004, at 11:07 AM, 2702NET wrote: Ultimately, I guess I'll probably look at cooking something up in RealBasic and launching that from my projector. It'd be nice to make it work natively in Lingo though. I'd be surprised if PregEx wasn't fast enough. It's certainly as fast or faster than anything done in RB. -- Troy RPSystems, Ltd. http://www.rpsystems.net [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: charToNum() on very large string
Perfect!...I'll keep the chunks to that size. Thanks again Colin, Gilles On Saturday, May 1, 2004, at 16:24 US/Eastern, Colin Holgate wrote: and Wow, what a nice surprise. I'm going to try dropping it in now. To save you some time, the sweet spot seemed to be about 220 character chunks. [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: charToNum() on very large string
Thanks Buzz. Cool idea.
#1 building a limited-size string-driven proplist that contains all
256 chars & their charToNums().
(then the overhead for of the function calls is limited and DONE)
What do you mean when you say "limited-size?" Won't the above prebuilt
propList always be the same size?
Thanks,
Gilles
On Saturday, May 1, 2004, at 17:12 US/Eastern, Buzz Kettles wrote:
At 2:32 AM -0400 5/1/04, you wrote:
This is very inefficient and slow, particularly under OS X. Is there
any slick way to do this (more) efficiently?...perhaps break it up
somehow to run more quickly?
I scanned thru the responses & didn't see anybody suggest this:
Don't do all those charToNum() function calls ...
I think I'd try this approach
#1 building a limited-size string-driven proplist that contains all
256 chars & their charToNums().
(then the overhead for of the function calls is limited and DONE)
#2 Use Colin's first-char approach to grab each char & then use that
as an index into the prooList to get it's charToNum()
property pl
on createPL me
pl = [:]
repeat with i = 1 to 256
pl[numToChar(i)] = i
end repeat
end
& then just use pl{"a"] to get a 97 returned from the list
hth
-Buzz
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Re: charToNum() on very large string
Duh...never mind. I've parsed it. You meant limited size as opposed to the arbitrary (most often large) sized list of charToNum values we were building before got it, Gilles On Saturday, May 1, 2004, at 17:33 US/Eastern, 2702NET wrote: #1 building a limited-size string-driven proplist that contains all 256 chars & their charToNums(). (then the overhead for of the function calls is limited and DONE) [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: charToNum() on very large string
Hi Buzz, You method - defying all logic (at least *my* logic) - is actually a good deal slower than calling the charToNum() function for each loop. It's about 3 times slower. Tried it a few times just to be sure. Gilles On Saturday, May 1, 2004, at 17:12 US/Eastern, Buzz Kettles wrote: I scanned thru the responses & didn't see anybody suggest this: Don't do all those charToNum() function calls ... I think I'd try this approach #1 building a limited-size string-driven proplist that contains all 256 chars & their charToNums(). (then the overhead for of the function calls is limited and DONE) [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: charToNum() on very large string
Didn't see this until after I posted... Yep. On Saturday, May 1, 2004, at 18:06 US/Eastern, Colin Holgate wrote: #2 Use Colin's first-char approach to grab each char & then use that as an index into the prooList to get it's charToNum() That wasn't my idea, but even so, the lookup table only gives a slight speed increase because it's the string[i] part that is slow, not the chartonum() part. But wait, I tested it anyway, and it turns out that the property list lookup to save doing chartonum() ends up taking longer than just doing the chartonum, so no prize for Buzz at all! [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
[Slightly OT]: Projector launching mini app/permissions (Mac OS X/Unix)
Hi Folks, Slightly off topic - but I know there are some Mac OS X/Unix Jockeys out there who might be able to help with this/point me in the right direction. Here's the situation: I have a little mini app (not written in Lingo) that I am launching from a Mac OS X projector (DirMX[9]/Mac OS X Jaguar) w/DirectXtras dosLaunchApp(). One of the things the launched mini app does is write some information to a file before quitting/returning. Simple enough...everything fine in development. The problem is when I copy everything to a new machine...the mini app still *launches* fine but won't create/write to the file. I guessed this was a permissions problem, changed permission on the mini app appropriately (or so I thought) to give all three groups (user, group, other) complete read/write/execute privileges but still no cigar. The owner of the mini app on the new machine (me) has admin privileges. Oh, and I guess I should mention that the mini app launched from the projector is a "Classic" application. Does it matter that I've made the mini app invisible? Anyone have any idea what might be going wrong? Grateful for any suggestions, Gilles [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
OS X permissions issue? - projector --> launch app (OK) --> app to write txt file (NOT OK)
Hi Folks, I'm tying my luck w/this posting again...removed the "Slightly OT" prepended earlier in hopes of getting a taker. After seeing Kerry's permissions-related postings of earlier today, thought this might be in a similar vein...perhaps the experts might shine a little light this way. Here's the situation: Mac OS 10.2.8/Director MX (9.0) Everything works fine on the development machine. I have a little Perl executable that's getting launched from a projector. I'm using the DirectOS Xtra (from DirectXtras) 'dosLaunchApp()' function to do it. After being launched from the projector, the Perl executable does some stuff, creates and writes a text file and then quits/returns. When I try to install/move to a new computer, however: The Perl app gets launched fine from the projector but then chokes because it doesn't want to create and write the text file. I'm not a Unix jockey - but my first guess was that this was a permissions or ownership problem. I used chmod to give all groups "execute" permissions, tried changing the owner...but to no avail. Don't know if this matters, but the Perl executable is a "Classic" app. Any ideas (even casual suggestions) as what could be going wrong i.e. why won't the Perl executable create/write a file except on the (development) machine on which it was created? TIA, Gilles [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: OS X permissions issue? - projector --> launch app (OK) --> app to write txt file (NOT OK)
Hi grimm... Thanks...have been toiling for hours trying to figure this bugger out. I'm convinced at this point it's not a permissions issue (I've tried what you suggest). Seems more a MacPerl runtime on Classic difficulty. Way off topic. Thanks for responding though, Gilles On Tuesday, May 25, 2004, at 04:35 US/Eastern, grimmwerks wrote: What about using something like fileio or buddy to create a blank text file and set it's permissions, then run the perl app to futz with the file? Could also be the 'classic' app.. [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: OS X permissions issue? - projector --> launch app (OK) --> app to write txt file (NOT OK)
It's major text processing stuff - perfect Perl job. For me, at least, it'd be much harder (if possible) to do it in AppleScript. Probably even possible to do a native-lingo version but that'd be many more lines of codes and maybe (almost certainly) slower. I'm around the permissions thing now...so that's good. All I have now is (what seems to be) an isolated MacPerl-related problem on a single Mac. So, things are looking up. Gilles On Tuesday, May 25, 2004, at 05:24 US/Eastern, grimmwerks wrote: What are you trying to do in the perl? Why not try applescript instead? [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: OS X permissions issue? - projector --> launch app (OK) --> app to write txt file (NOT OK)
Hi Cole, That's what I'm doing w/a newer version - and that will certainly be a much "cleaner" solution. The small difference is that for my new version I'm using a perl "executable" for Darwin (vs. the older MacPerl I'm using as a stopgap). I'm using "do shell script" through zScript Xtra to launch the Darwin Perl executable (vs. the un"compiled" .pl). However, I haven't been able to get the new Unix executable running and returning. That's why I'm still using the older MacPerl version for the moment. When I do get the Darwin/Unix version to do what it's supposed to do, that will allow me to dump the MacPerl (and Classic). Happy to say that I've solved all the permissions issues w/the current version - the only problem left is MacPerl-specific problem on a single machine (darn MacPerl::Quit()). Thanks again for the reply... Gilles On Tuesday, May 25, 2004, at 09:41 US/Eastern, Cole Tierney wrote: What are you trying to do in the perl? Why not try applescript instead? Or better yet, use a combination of the two (at least for OSX): do shell script "/usr/bin/perl /volumes/YourCD/yourscript.pl" -- Cole [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: OS X permissions issue? - projector --> launch app (OK) --> app to write txt file (NOT OK)
Hi Troy, PregEx has worked really well for me (for some basic text searching stuff) on some other projects. However, this project involves reading in lots of text from separate structured text files on CD-ROM. I guess it's not (necessarily) the parsing but the "reading in" part of it that has me wondering if Lingo/Director is fast enough. What do you think...might that part be OK? Translating the .pl to Lingo might be made a bit easier w/PRegEx since there's the option of using the Perl-ish syntax for regexp (which is a nice/handy) feature. Anyway...the Perl is parsing the structured text and creating some very big lists of property lists. Gilles On Tuesday, May 25, 2004, at 11:27 US/Eastern, Troy Rollins wrote: On May 25, 2004, at 5:31 AM, 2702NET wrote: It's major text processing stuff - perfect Perl job. For me, at least, it'd be much harder (if possible) to do it in AppleScript. Probably even possible to do a native-lingo version but that'd be many more lines of codes and maybe (almost certainly) slower. I'm around the permissions thing now...so that's good. All I have now is (what seems to be) an isolated MacPerl-related problem on a single Mac. So, things are looking up. PregEx or TextCrucher Xtras are both well-suited to huge text tasks. -- Troy RPSystems, Ltd. http://www.rpsystems.net [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: OS X permissions issue? - projector --> launch app (OK) --> app to write txt file (NOT OK)
Thanks Troy, Well, that was really the only thing giving me pause. Guess it's time to jump in and make it all Lingo...or at least try it and see how the two compare (perl vs. lingo/PregEx implementation). On Tuesday, May 25, 2004, at 13:12 US/Eastern, Troy Rollins wrote: PregEx has a BLAZING fast readEntireFile() function. BLAZING. [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: Shell Xtra
Hi Valentin, Nice that you're developing this...potentially very handy. This is right in line w/a project I'm working on at the moment...so I can do some "real world" banging on it. I'll contact you w/any results offline. Thanks, Gilles On Thursday, May 27, 2004, at 10:34 US/Eastern, Valentin Schmidt wrote: Hi list, I'm working on an cross-platform (win and mac os x) scripting xtra called "Shell Xtra" that can be used to execute command line programms (hidden) and return the output back to director. On mac os x (only tested on jaguar, so far) it's something like a hidden terminal window, on windows like a hidden DOS box. It's still very alpha, but I'm a bit stuck at the moment, and could use some feedback about bugs, improvements and its general usefulness. So if anybody has a bit time to spend for it, you are welcome to download and test the current version from http://staff.dasdeck.de/valentin/xtras/shell/ Valentin [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: Shell Xtra
Likewise here. Thanks Valentin. Gilles On Friday, May 28, 2004, at 11:27 US/Eastern, Florian Bogeschdorfer wrote: I will donate you when the project is done. [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
zScript Xtra
Hi Folks, Sorry to ask this here on the list, but I can't get through to the vendor and know some of you are using zScript Xtra from Zeus Prod. (Bruce Epstein). I have the sample movie that came w/my registered version but can't seem to find any documentation. Is there any? (The site says there is) If so, where is it? TIA, Gilles [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
zScript docs
Hallo, Never mind...I found the V1.4 doc. Gilles [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: zScript Xtra
Hi Colin, Nah, unfortunately it's not shipped w/the new OS X version. Looks like they're working on new docs. For the moment, I've located and will use the V1.4 doc. Joe On Friday, May 28, 2004, at 17:59 US/Eastern, Colin Holgate wrote: Sorry to ask this here on the list, but I can't get through to the vendor and know some of you are using zScript Xtra from Zeus Prod. (Bruce Epstein). According to this page: http://www.zeusproductions.com/products/zscptfaq.html the Xtra should come with documentation. [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!] [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: clipboard xtra news
On Tuesday, Jun 1, 2004, at 22:35 US/Eastern, Valentin Schmidt wrote: And I've started to work on a mac version. Super. Thanks Valentin. Gilles [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
Re: Director Multilingual IDE
On Wednesday, Jul 28, 2004, at 12:08 US/Eastern, Kerry Thompson wrote: With a few exceptions, all Western European languages use the same character set, ANSI or ISO 8859.1 Hi Kerry, Norwegian included in this as well? Thanks, Gilles [To remove yourself from this list, or to change to digest mode, go to http://www.penworks.com/lingo-l.cgi To post messages to the list, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Problems, email [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Lingo-L is for learning and helping with programming Lingo. Thanks!]
