Re: What distribution and why?
Phil Smith III wrote: Once again, infernal English leads to what could (and would have, on most lists!) been an international incident. If English is good enough for Elisabeth Alexandra Mary Windsor/Saxe-Coburg-Gotha/Hanover, it is good enough for me ;-) mark -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What distribution and why?
Phil, thanks for the explanation of the phrase I used. You are right, I meant Can you be more specific about the issue you found with MQ and SUSE? and was slightly surprised about the answers. Hubert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Gesendet: 16.04.08 04:49:36 An: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Betreff: Re: What distribution and why? Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I said, though, I don't have a problem...but thanks for trying to help! I believe the confusion here is due to what looked like a slightly idiomatic American usage -- What EXACTLY is your problem??? -- which translates to Hey, jerk, what is wrong with you? Are you stupid or what?. I'd bet large sums that Hubert Kleinmanns didn't mean it that way, and was instead asking, Can you be more specific about the issue you found with MQ and SUSE? Once again, infernal English leads to what could (and would have, on most lists!) been an international incident. And once again, the professionalism and courtesy of the VM and z/Linux community avoids bloodshed... ...phsiii (Feeling proud to be a Vmer today) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Hubert Kleinmanns Beratung / Schulung / Projektleitung Chairman der WG WebSphere MQ and Business Integration in der GSE, deutsche Region. Tel.: +49 (0) 60 78 / 7 12 21 Fax: +49 (0) 60 78 / 7 12 25 Mobil: +49 (0) 178 / 6 97 22 54 Web: www.kleinmanns.eu GSE: www.gsenet.de -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What distribution and why?
Mark Perry wrote: Phil Smith III wrote: Once again, infernal English leads to what could (and would have, on most lists!) been an international incident. If English is good enough for Elisabeth Alexandra Mary Windsor/Saxe-Coburg-Gotha/Hanover, it is good enough for me ;-) aka Lizzie. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Advice http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 You cannot reply off-list:-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What distribution and why?
As for me (an ex UKer), I never took Hubert's request to be other than just that (IOW, no offense taken). K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Smith III Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 10:49 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: What distribution and why? Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I said, though, I don't have a problem...but thanks for trying to help! I believe the confusion here is due to what looked like a slightly idiomatic American usage -- What EXACTLY is your problem??? -- which translates to Hey, jerk, what is wrong with you? Are you stupid or what?. I'd bet large sums that Hubert Kleinmanns didn't mean it that way, and was instead asking, Can you be more specific about the issue you found with MQ and SUSE? Once again, infernal English leads to what could (and would have, on most lists!) been an international incident. And once again, the professionalism and courtesy of the VM and z/Linux community avoids bloodshed... ...phsiii (Feeling proud to be a Vmer today) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What distribution and why?
Hubert Kleinmanns wrote: Phil, thanks for the explanation of the phrase I used. You are right, I meant Can you be more specific about the issue you found with MQ and SUSE? and was slightly surprised about the answers. Just don't call anyone penurious, or there will be an international incident:-) -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Advice http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 You cannot reply off-list:-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What distribution and why?
n Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Hubert Kleinmanns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks for the explanation of the phrase I used. You are right, I meant Can you be more specific about the issue you found with MQ and SUSE? and was slightly surprised about the answers. :-) Such things can be hard for us aliens Like when my female co-worker told me two others were seeing each other and it took a while before I got that message. And when she left the room saying see you later I was a little worried... Rob -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What distribution and why?
Evans, Kevin R wrote: As for me (an ex UKer), I never took Hubert's request to be other than just that (IOW, no offense taken). Being orstrayun, I immediately saw both meanings and wondered what all the fuss was about. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Advice http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 You cannot reply off-list:-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What distribution and why?
As someone said to me when I was in England last fall: Two peoples separated by a common language. Dave (from sunny California) Dave Stuart Prin. Info. Systems Support Analyst County of Ventura, CA 805-662-6731 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/16/2008 3:20 AM As for me (an ex UKer), I never took Hubert's request to be other than just that (IOW, no offense taken). K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Smith III Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 10:49 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: What distribution and why? Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I said, though, I don't have a problem...but thanks for trying to help! I believe the confusion here is due to what looked like a slightly idiomatic American usage -- What EXACTLY is your problem??? -- which translates to Hey, jerk, what is wrong with you? Are you stupid or what?. I'd bet large sums that Hubert Kleinmanns didn't mean it that way, and was instead asking, Can you be more specific about the issue you found with MQ and SUSE? Once again, infernal English leads to what could (and would have, on most lists!) been an international incident. And once again, the professionalism and courtesy of the VM and z/Linux community avoids bloodshed... ...phsiii (Feeling proud to be a Vmer today) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What distribution and why?
Nah, there are more the 2 peoples over there g. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Stuart Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 11:22 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: What distribution and why? As someone said to me when I was in England last fall: Two peoples separated by a common language. Dave (from sunny California) Dave Stuart Prin. Info. Systems Support Analyst County of Ventura, CA 805-662-6731 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/16/2008 3:20 AM As for me (an ex UKer), I never took Hubert's request to be other than just that (IOW, no offense taken). K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Smith III Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 10:49 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: What distribution and why? Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I said, though, I don't have a problem...but thanks for trying to help! I believe the confusion here is due to what looked like a slightly idiomatic American usage -- What EXACTLY is your problem??? -- which translates to Hey, jerk, what is wrong with you? Are you stupid or what?. I'd bet large sums that Hubert Kleinmanns didn't mean it that way, and was instead asking, Can you be more specific about the issue you found with MQ and SUSE? Once again, infernal English leads to what could (and would have, on most lists!) been an international incident. And once again, the professionalism and courtesy of the VM and z/Linux community avoids bloodshed... ...phsiii (Feeling proud to be a Vmer today) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What distribution and why?
Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I said, though, I don't have a problem...but thanks for trying to help! I believe the confusion here is due to what looked like a slightly idiomatic American usage -- What EXACTLY is your problem??? -- which translates to Hey, jerk, what is wrong with you? Are you stupid or what?. I'd bet large sums that Hubert Kleinmanns didn't mean it that way, and was instead asking, Can you be more specific about the issue you found with MQ and SUSE? Once again, infernal English leads to what could (and would have, on most lists!) been an international incident. And once again, the professionalism and courtesy of the VM and z/Linux community avoids bloodshed... ...phsiii (Feeling proud to be a Vmer today) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What distribution and why?
Kevin, does MQ mean WebSphere MQ? We are working with WebSphere MQ on SUSE for several years and it works fine. Regards Hubert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Gesendet: 14.04.08 12:36:08 An: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Betreff: Re: What distribution and why? We use RHEL and if I remember correctly (I don't work on the zLinux project directly) it was to do with RHEL compatibility with some other software at the time we started (several years ago). Maybe it was MQ, although not sure. If it is important I can ask the folks that do work on it. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RPN01 Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 10:35 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: What distribution and why? We¹re looking at the costs and effort of converting our installation from SuSE SLES to RedHat RHEL on the zSeries, and I¹m wondering what others are running, and why they chose the particular distribution. All comments are welcome, on or off list; I just want to be sure we¹re not backing ourselves into the room¹s other corner I know this has been discussed before, but times change, and maybe a headcount is in order again. -- Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation.~. RO-OE-5-55 200 First Street SW/V\ 507-284-0844 Rochester, MN 55905 /( )\ -^^-^^ In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What distribution and why?
We use RHEL and if I remember correctly (I don't work on the zLinux project directly) it was to do with RHEL compatibility with some other software at the time we started (several years ago). Maybe it was MQ, although not sure. If it is important I can ask the folks that do work on it. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RPN01 Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 10:35 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: What distribution and why? We¹re looking at the costs and effort of converting our installation from SuSE SLES to RedHat RHEL on the zSeries, and I¹m wondering what others are running, and why they chose the particular distribution. All comments are welcome, on or off list; I just want to be sure we¹re not backing ourselves into the room¹s other corner I know this has been discussed before, but times change, and maybe a headcount is in order again. -- Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation.~. RO-OE-5-55 200 First Street SW/V\ 507-284-0844 Rochester, MN 55905 /( )\ -^^-^^ In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What distribution and why?
Mark is right in that he is much more active in this forum an RH even though Brad does pop in sometimes. Not sure that this is a deciding factor or not...I'm sure there are more important factors. Having said that, I'm sure Mark has helped MANY people in this list. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 1:22 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: What distribution and why? On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:35 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], RPN01 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- I know this has been discussed before, but times change, and maybe a headcount is in order again. From what I've been told by people who would know, it's about 90-95%/5-10%, depending on whether you count customers or actual systems. Based on the near-deafening silence in this mailing list when RH specific questions are asked that seems likely to be correct. (Along with David Boyes, I also want to acknowledge Brad Hinson for being active in the list. This community and the industry in general needs that kind of participation from all of the distribution providers.) Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What distribution and why?
Hubert, No, it doesn't. We do use MQ only and have our own CICS adapters to directly manipulate the queues. From talking to one of the zLinux developers this morning, he is not sure he remembers the exact reasons. Message Broker springs to mind because we did play with that for a while before rejecting it for use here. The other thing that he thought may have played into the equation is that the FBI already used RH products on the desktop, so the support issue may have been easier to deal with as there was an existing agreement with RH. The thing that this topic may have raised is that (at least back then) not all products necessarily play with each other. I'm not sure whether that is still true but wouldn't mind betting that it is. Regards, K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hubert Kleinmanns Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 6:59 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: What distribution and why? Kevin, does MQ mean WebSphere MQ? We are working with WebSphere MQ on SUSE for several years and it works fine. Regards Hubert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Gesendet: 14.04.08 12:36:08 An: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Betreff: Re: What distribution and why? We use RHEL and if I remember correctly (I don't work on the zLinux project directly) it was to do with RHEL compatibility with some other software at the time we started (several years ago). Maybe it was MQ, although not sure. If it is important I can ask the folks that do work on it. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RPN01 Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 10:35 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: What distribution and why? We¹re looking at the costs and effort of converting our installation from SuSE SLES to RedHat RHEL on the zSeries, and I¹m wondering what others are running, and why they chose the particular distribution. All comments are welcome, on or off list; I just want to be sure we¹re not backing ourselves into the room¹s other corner I know this has been discussed before, but times change, and maybe a headcount is in order again. -- Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation.~. RO-OE-5-55 200 First Street SW/V\ 507-284-0844 Rochester, MN 55905 /( )\ -^^-^^ In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What distribution and why?
Kevin, what's exactly is your problem? As I told we are working with WebSphere MQ without any problems on SLES10 and it worked before on SLES8 (we did not test it on SLES9). Possibly your own CICS adapters interfere with some other stuff on SUSE, which is not installed on RH. The WebSphere Message Broker comes with its own MQ queue manager, so maybe you did not remove everything properly before installing Websphere MQ (this could be a SUSE specifc issue, but I do not think so). Of course the packages which come with RH or SUSE may affect other applications. We had a problem using OpenREXX and WebSphere Application Server on SLES9 ... Last question: What do you mean with MQ only? Regards Hubert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Gesendet: 14.04.08 13:58:03 An: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Betreff: Re: What distribution and why? Hubert, No, it doesn't. We do use MQ only and have our own CICS adapters to directly manipulate the queues. From talking to one of the zLinux developers this morning, he is not sure he remembers the exact reasons. Message Broker springs to mind because we did play with that for a while before rejecting it for use here. The other thing that he thought may have played into the equation is that the FBI already used RH products on the desktop, so the support issue may have been easier to deal with as there was an existing agreement with RH. The thing that this topic may have raised is that (at least back then) not all products necessarily play with each other. I'm not sure whether that is still true but wouldn't mind betting that it is. Regards, K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hubert Kleinmanns Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 6:59 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: What distribution and why? Kevin, does MQ mean WebSphere MQ? We are working with WebSphere MQ on SUSE for several years and it works fine. Regards Hubert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Gesendet: 14.04.08 12:36:08 An: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Betreff: Re: What distribution and why? We use RHEL and if I remember correctly (I don't work on the zLinux project directly) it was to do with RHEL compatibility with some other software at the time we started (several years ago). Maybe it was MQ, although not sure. If it is important I can ask the folks that do work on it. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RPN01 Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 10:35 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: What distribution and why? We¹re looking at the costs and effort of converting our installation from SuSE SLES to RedHat RHEL on the zSeries, and I¹m wondering what others are running, and why they chose the particular distribution. All comments are welcome, on or off list; I just want to be sure we¹re not backing ourselves into the room¹s other corner I know this has been discussed before, but times change, and maybe a headcount is in order again. -- Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation.~. RO-OE-5-55 200 First Street SW/V\ 507-284-0844 Rochester, MN 55905 /( )\ -^^-^^ In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Hubert Kleinmanns Beratung / Schulung / Projektleitung Chairman der WG WebSphere MQ and Business Integration in der GSE, deutsche Region. Tel.: +49 (0) 60 78 / 7 12 21 Fax: +49 (0) 60 78 / 7 12 25 Mobil: +49 (0) 178 / 6 97 22 54 Web: www.kleinmanns.eu GSE: www.gsenet.de -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff
Re: What distribution and why?
Hubert, We don't have a problem...I was only replying to an inquiry from Robert Nix where he asked what distro people used and why. What I was saying was some backup to why we use RHEL. Our CICS adapters are totally separate from the zLinux code (which runs under z/VM), so no interference possible there. The only interface between the CICS adapters and our zLinux code is via MQ Series queues. By MQ only, I mean that we do not have all of Websphere installed. Our adapters do native MQGETs, MQWPUTs etc. Regards, Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hubert Kleinmanns Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:36 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: What distribution and why? Kevin, what's exactly is your problem? As I told we are working with WebSphere MQ without any problems on SLES10 and it worked before on SLES8 (we did not test it on SLES9). Possibly your own CICS adapters interfere with some other stuff on SUSE, which is not installed on RH. The WebSphere Message Broker comes with its own MQ queue manager, so maybe you did not remove everything properly before installing Websphere MQ (this could be a SUSE specifc issue, but I do not think so). Of course the packages which come with RH or SUSE may affect other applications. We had a problem using OpenREXX and WebSphere Application Server on SLES9 ... Last question: What do you mean with MQ only? Regards Hubert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Gesendet: 14.04.08 13:58:03 An: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Betreff: Re: What distribution and why? Hubert, No, it doesn't. We do use MQ only and have our own CICS adapters to directly manipulate the queues. From talking to one of the zLinux developers this morning, he is not sure he remembers the exact reasons. Message Broker springs to mind because we did play with that for a while before rejecting it for use here. The other thing that he thought may have played into the equation is that the FBI already used RH products on the desktop, so the support issue may have been easier to deal with as there was an existing agreement with RH. The thing that this topic may have raised is that (at least back then) not all products necessarily play with each other. I'm not sure whether that is still true but wouldn't mind betting that it is. Regards, K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hubert Kleinmanns Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 6:59 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: What distribution and why? Kevin, does MQ mean WebSphere MQ? We are working with WebSphere MQ on SUSE for several years and it works fine. Regards Hubert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Gesendet: 14.04.08 12:36:08 An: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Betreff: Re: What distribution and why? We use RHEL and if I remember correctly (I don't work on the zLinux project directly) it was to do with RHEL compatibility with some other software at the time we started (several years ago). Maybe it was MQ, although not sure. If it is important I can ask the folks that do work on it. K -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RPN01 Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 10:35 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: What distribution and why? We¹re looking at the costs and effort of converting our installation from SuSE SLES to RedHat RHEL on the zSeries, and I¹m wondering what others are running, and why they chose the particular distribution. All comments are welcome, on or off list; I just want to be sure we¹re not backing ourselves into the room¹s other corner I know this has been discussed before, but times change, and maybe a headcount is in order again. -- Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation.~. RO-OE-5-55 200 First Street SW/V\ 507-284-0844 Rochester, MN 55905 /( )\ -^^-^^ In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL
Re: What distribution and why?
what's exactly is your problem? Easy, easy... this isn't IBM-MAIN or LKML. Play nice. Last question: What do you mean with MQ only? Probably has to do with the recent (and IMHO not beneficial) renaming of MQ to be part of the Websphere megalith. Not everyone got the memo on the new name, and the phrase Websphere MQ commonly still parsed as Websphere + MQ, not just the pure MQ we used to have to cope with. IBM: is it really beneficial to push things that you've built a name for into association with things that pretty much aren't more than peripherally related, and have some negative connotations as well? *sigh* Some things normal mankind just isn't meant to know, I guess. Another example of marketing wonks doing something to make understanding what we do more difficult. Methinks a good spanking is in order. -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What distribution and why?
David, I didn't think that people weren't playing nice. But, your observation about the megalith is right on. We don't use Websphere, per se, here but we do use MQ Series queues and adapters running under CICS to manipulate the queues. I'm not sure why Hubert thought I had a problem, maybe didn't read the email from the bottom? I agree with the spanking part g. Regards, Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:48 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: What distribution and why? what's exactly is your problem? Easy, easy... this isn't IBM-MAIN or LKML. Play nice. Last question: What do you mean with MQ only? Probably has to do with the recent (and IMHO not beneficial) renaming of MQ to be part of the Websphere megalith. Not everyone got the memo on the new name, and the phrase Websphere MQ commonly still parsed as Websphere + MQ, not just the pure MQ we used to have to cope with. IBM: is it really beneficial to push things that you've built a name for into association with things that pretty much aren't more than peripherally related, and have some negative connotations as well? *sigh* Some things normal mankind just isn't meant to know, I guess. Another example of marketing wonks doing something to make understanding what we do more difficult. Methinks a good spanking is in order. -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What distribution and why?
Hi, what's exactly is your problem? I just want to understand, what may be going wrong and - possibly - provide a solution. Not everyone got the memo on the new name, and the phrase Websphere MQ commonly still parsed as Websphere + MQ. I know, but there are many other queuing products and I wanted to clarify, that we are talking about the IBM product. When MQ was renamed to WebSphere MQ I found a mail in a mailing list, where somebody made a guess, in the future IBM would have only one product, which is either name WebSphere for Tivoli or Tivoli for WebSphere :-D Back to the subject: I would prefer SUSE, because I am working since several years with it - starting with version 2.0 or so. I do not think, that SUSE is really better or worse than RH or Debian or Marist or whatever - but I like it ;-). Regards Hubert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Gesendet: 14.04.08 14:50:53 An: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Betreff: Re: What distribution and why? what's exactly is your problem? Easy, easy... this isn't IBM-MAIN or LKML. Play nice. Last question: What do you mean with MQ only? Probably has to do with the recent (and IMHO not beneficial) renaming of MQ to be part of the Websphere megalith. Not everyone got the memo on the new name, and the phrase Websphere MQ commonly still parsed as Websphere + MQ, not just the pure MQ we used to have to cope with. IBM: is it really beneficial to push things that you've built a name for into association with things that pretty much aren't more than peripherally related, and have some negative connotations as well? *sigh* Some things normal mankind just isn't meant to know, I guess. Another example of marketing wonks doing something to make understanding what we do more difficult. Methinks a good spanking is in order. -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Hubert Kleinmanns Beratung / Schulung / Projektleitung Chairman der WG WebSphere MQ and Business Integration in der GSE, deutsche Region. Tel.: +49 (0) 60 78 / 7 12 21 Fax: +49 (0) 60 78 / 7 12 25 Mobil: +49 (0) 178 / 6 97 22 54 Web: www.kleinmanns.eu GSE: www.gsenet.de -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What distribution and why?
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Evans, Kevin R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We don't have a problem...I was only replying to an inquiry from Robert Nix where he asked what distro people used and why. What I was saying was some backup to why we use RHEL. We see that Red Hat is more strict than Novell in wanting things to be in the official kernel sources before they include it. There's pros and cons in that approach. If that particular feature is needed for some middleware, it may be for a while it's only running on SUSE. Rob -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What distribution and why?
Kevin, maybe I misunderstood your mail, but you wrote We use RHEL and if I remember correctly (I don't work on the zLinux project directly) it was to do with RHEL compatibility with some other software at the time we started (several years ago). Maybe it was MQ, I am working several years with MQ and I only wanted to understand, what may be different on SUSE and RH running MQ. But now I think, this question will not be answered here. Regards Hubert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Gesendet: 14.04.08 15:06:56 An: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Betreff: Re: What distribution and why? David, I didn't think that people weren't playing nice. But, your observation about the megalith is right on. We don't use Websphere, per se, here but we do use MQ Series queues and adapters running under CICS to manipulate the queues. I'm not sure why Hubert thought I had a problem, maybe didn't read the email from the bottom? I agree with the spanking part g. Regards, Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:48 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: What distribution and why? what's exactly is your problem? Easy, easy... this isn't IBM-MAIN or LKML. Play nice. Last question: What do you mean with MQ only? Probably has to do with the recent (and IMHO not beneficial) renaming of MQ to be part of the Websphere megalith. Not everyone got the memo on the new name, and the phrase Websphere MQ commonly still parsed as Websphere + MQ, not just the pure MQ we used to have to cope with. IBM: is it really beneficial to push things that you've built a name for into association with things that pretty much aren't more than peripherally related, and have some negative connotations as well? *sigh* Some things normal mankind just isn't meant to know, I guess. Another example of marketing wonks doing something to make understanding what we do more difficult. Methinks a good spanking is in order. -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Hubert Kleinmanns Beratung / Schulung / Projektleitung Chairman der WG WebSphere MQ and Business Integration in der GSE, deutsche Region. Tel.: +49 (0) 60 78 / 7 12 21 Fax: +49 (0) 60 78 / 7 12 25 Mobil: +49 (0) 178 / 6 97 22 54 Web: www.kleinmanns.eu GSE: www.gsenet.de -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What distribution and why?
David Boyes wrote: Probably has to do with the recent (and IMHO not beneficial) renaming of MQ to be part of the Websphere megalith. Not everyone got the memo on the new name, and the phrase Websphere MQ commonly still parsed as Websphere + MQ, not just the pure MQ we used to have to cope with. IBM: is it really beneficial to push things that you've built a name for into It's not just IBM and it's not just USA: Thrive used to be a product: http://yates.com.au/brand/Thrive.asp So did blitzem http://yates.com.au/brand/Blitzem.asp ratsak http://yates.com.au/brand/Ratsak.asp zero http://yates.com.au/brand/Zero.asp dynamic lifter http://yates.com.au/brand/DynamicLifter.asp -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Advice http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 You cannot reply off-list:-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What distribution and why?
As I said, though, I don't have a problem...but thanks for trying to help! Regards, kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hubert Kleinmanns Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 9:23 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: What distribution and why? Hi, what's exactly is your problem? I just want to understand, what may be going wrong and - possibly - provide a solution. Not everyone got the memo on the new name, and the phrase Websphere MQ commonly still parsed as Websphere + MQ. I know, but there are many other queuing products and I wanted to clarify, that we are talking about the IBM product. When MQ was renamed to WebSphere MQ I found a mail in a mailing list, where somebody made a guess, in the future IBM would have only one product, which is either name WebSphere for Tivoli or Tivoli for WebSphere :-D Back to the subject: I would prefer SUSE, because I am working since several years with it - starting with version 2.0 or so. I do not think, that SUSE is really better or worse than RH or Debian or Marist or whatever - but I like it ;-). Regards Hubert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Gesendet: 14.04.08 14:50:53 An: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Betreff: Re: What distribution and why? what's exactly is your problem? Easy, easy... this isn't IBM-MAIN or LKML. Play nice. Last question: What do you mean with MQ only? Probably has to do with the recent (and IMHO not beneficial) renaming of MQ to be part of the Websphere megalith. Not everyone got the memo on the new name, and the phrase Websphere MQ commonly still parsed as Websphere + MQ, not just the pure MQ we used to have to cope with. IBM: is it really beneficial to push things that you've built a name for into association with things that pretty much aren't more than peripherally related, and have some negative connotations as well? *sigh* Some things normal mankind just isn't meant to know, I guess. Another example of marketing wonks doing something to make understanding what we do more difficult. Methinks a good spanking is in order. -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Hubert Kleinmanns Beratung / Schulung / Projektleitung Chairman der WG WebSphere MQ and Business Integration in der GSE, deutsche Region. Tel.: +49 (0) 60 78 / 7 12 21 Fax: +49 (0) 60 78 / 7 12 25 Mobil: +49 (0) 178 / 6 97 22 54 Web: www.kleinmanns.eu GSE: www.gsenet.de -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What distribution and why?
Hi Hubert, I'm not sure that we even remember the exact issue g. However, once we settled on RHEL (based on those original issues which would have been 2 to 2.5 years ago), we settled on RHEL and are now invested in it. Probably too hard to change now even if we wanted to! Regards, Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hubert Kleinmanns Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 9:29 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: What distribution and why? Kevin, maybe I misunderstood your mail, but you wrote We use RHEL and if I remember correctly (I don't work on the zLinux project directly) it was to do with RHEL compatibility with some other software at the time we started (several years ago). Maybe it was MQ, I am working several years with MQ and I only wanted to understand, what may be different on SUSE and RH running MQ. But now I think, this question will not be answered here. Regards Hubert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Gesendet: 14.04.08 15:06:56 An: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Betreff: Re: What distribution and why? David, I didn't think that people weren't playing nice. But, your observation about the megalith is right on. We don't use Websphere, per se, here but we do use MQ Series queues and adapters running under CICS to manipulate the queues. I'm not sure why Hubert thought I had a problem, maybe didn't read the email from the bottom? I agree with the spanking part g. Regards, Kevin -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Boyes Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:48 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: What distribution and why? what's exactly is your problem? Easy, easy... this isn't IBM-MAIN or LKML. Play nice. Last question: What do you mean with MQ only? Probably has to do with the recent (and IMHO not beneficial) renaming of MQ to be part of the Websphere megalith. Not everyone got the memo on the new name, and the phrase Websphere MQ commonly still parsed as Websphere + MQ, not just the pure MQ we used to have to cope with. IBM: is it really beneficial to push things that you've built a name for into association with things that pretty much aren't more than peripherally related, and have some negative connotations as well? *sigh* Some things normal mankind just isn't meant to know, I guess. Another example of marketing wonks doing something to make understanding what we do more difficult. Methinks a good spanking is in order. -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- Hubert Kleinmanns Beratung / Schulung / Projektleitung Chairman der WG WebSphere MQ and Business Integration in der GSE, deutsche Region. Tel.: +49 (0) 60 78 / 7 12 21 Fax: +49 (0) 60 78 / 7 12 25 Mobil: +49 (0) 178 / 6 97 22 54 Web: www.kleinmanns.eu GSE: www.gsenet.de -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
What distribution and why?
We¹re looking at the costs and effort of converting our installation from SuSE SLES to RedHat RHEL on the zSeries, and I¹m wondering what others are running, and why they chose the particular distribution. All comments are welcome, on or off list; I just want to be sure we¹re not backing ourselves into the room¹s other corner I know this has been discussed before, but times change, and maybe a headcount is in order again. -- Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation.~. RO-OE-5-55 200 First Street SW/V\ 507-284-0844 Rochester, MN 55905 /( )\ -^^-^^ In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What distribution and why?
We looked at that a few years back and found the entry point ($$) and annual maint to be less. At the time the feature sets were also inferior to that of which Novel offered. Are you hearing a particular product is only certified on that distro? Gerard C. Shockley Boston University [EMAIL PROTECTED] 617.353.9898 (w) 617.353.6171 (f) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:NewTux.svg -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RPN01 Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 10:35 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: What distribution and why? We¹re looking at the costs and effort of converting our installation from SuSE SLES to RedHat RHEL on the zSeries, and I¹m wondering what others are running, and why they chose the particular distribution. All comments are welcome, on or off list; I just want to be sure we¹re not backing ourselves into the room¹s other corner I know this has been discussed before, but times change, and maybe a headcount is in order again. -- Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation.~. RO-OE-5-55 200 First Street SW/V\ 507-284-0844 Rochester, MN 55905 /( )\ -^^-^^ In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What distribution and why?
We run RHEL on z because that is what we run on Intel. It was easier for our Linux admins to know just one distro, and we can reuse a lot of the same processes and Red Hat features across the platforms. Sometimes it bites us when certain product vendors only support Suse on z, or when there is a time lag getting functionality into Red Hat, but otherwise we've been extremely pleased so far. __ Tom Stewart Infrastructure Analyst John Deere - z/OS Support Services em: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ph: (309) 765-9405 __ -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RPN01 Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 9:35 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: What distribution and why? We¹re looking at the costs and effort of converting our installation from SuSE SLES to RedHat RHEL on the zSeries, and I¹m wondering what others are running, and why they chose the particular distribution. All comments are welcome, on or off list; I just want to be sure we¹re not backing ourselves into the room¹s other corner I know this has been discussed before, but times change, and maybe a headcount is in order again. -- Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation.~. RO-OE-5-55 200 First Street SW/V\ 507-284-0844 Rochester, MN 55905 /( )\ -^^-^^ In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What distribution and why?
Same here .. I consult with many customers who have RH on Intel and it makes sense to use the same distro on z. There have been a couple of occasions where SuSE was perhaps a little ahead on device drivers (FCP/SAN comes to mind) -- but in general RH is a solid distro. I also personally prefer it's package manager (yum in RH5) and the ease with which you can create package repositories. SuSE/RH also put config files in slightly different places - so it reduces the learning curve if they stick to the distro they use on other platforms. Scott Rohling System z Linux and VM Specialist IBM Systems and Technology Group Lab Services On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Stewart Thomas J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We run RHEL on z because that is what we run on Intel. It was easier for our Linux admins to know just one distro, and we can reuse a lot of the same processes and Red Hat features across the platforms. Sometimes it bites us when certain product vendors only support Suse on z, or when there is a time lag getting functionality into Red Hat, but otherwise we've been extremely pleased so far. __ Tom Stewart Infrastructure Analyst John Deere - z/OS Support Services em: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ph: (309) 765-9405 __ -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RPN01 Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 9:35 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: What distribution and why? We¹re looking at the costs and effort of converting our installation from SuSE SLES to RedHat RHEL on the zSeries, and I¹m wondering what others are running, and why they chose the particular distribution. All comments are welcome, on or off list; I just want to be sure we¹re not backing ourselves into the room¹s other corner I know this has been discussed before, but times change, and maybe a headcount is in order again. -- Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation.~. RO-OE-5-55 200 First Street SW/V\ 507-284-0844 Rochester, MN 55905 /( )\ -^^-^^ In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What distribution and why?
We¹re looking at the costs and effort of converting our installation from SuSE SLES to RedHat RHEL on the zSeries, and I¹m wondering what others are running, and why they chose the particular distribution. All comments are welcome, on or off list; I just want to be sure we¹re not backing ourselves into the room¹s other corner We run both, mainly because some major applications are only certified on SuSE, or tend to have significant delays in support on RH. Historically, RH has been slower to adopt new goodies, and their support organization (with the notable exception of Brad Hinson -- thanks, Brad!) tends to be baffled by non-Intel hardware. Usually, if you patiently explain that it isn't a Intel box enough times, they get it. Eventually. I think the Novell level 1 people have a better phone script...8-). If you do kernel work, RH tends to be less cooperative than SuSE in terms of incorporating things; there is a sense of religious purity that can be a problem. Reminds me a lot of early 1980's IBM in some ways. RH has also been somewhat lukewarm about Z in the past, sometimes to the point of ruining deals by talking up Intel over Z. Again, improved recently, but they're still playing catchup in the Z space. At this point, if you aren't concerned about the delay in certification for some big apps like WAS, it'd be a coin-flip. As others have said, if you're smoking the RH pipe elsewhere in your organization, probably wouldn't be a bad choice to do it on Z too. Yum is pretty cool, and tends to be less of a PITA to manipulate than YaST. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What distribution and why?
Scott Rohling wrote: Same here .. I consult with many customers who have RH on Intel and it makes sense to use the same distro on z. There have been a couple of occasions where SuSE was perhaps a little ahead on device drivers (FCP/SAN comes to mind) -- but in general RH is a solid distro. I also personally prefer it's package manager (yum in RH5) and the ease with which you can create package repositories. SuSE/RH also put config files in slightly different places - so it reduces the learning curve if they stick to the distro they use on other platforms. I run several distros on intellish hardware. Oddly, I thought, Debian and RH are more alike than RH and SUSE. From my observation SUSE does some things a little oddly - I had occasion to play with dhcp client scripts, they didn't work the way the dhcp documentation said they do, and stuff that should work (as seen by someone coming from rh) do not work, such as chkconfig with exists, says it works, but doesn't (for example) enable gpm in runlevel 5. It's well worth getting evaluation versions for both and trying them out. SLES is available for evaluation as a download - register, download and evaluate for (I think) 180 days. I've not investigated how to evaluate RHEL. Nobody's mentioned the free options, though some here are running CentOS4 (C5 is not available for Z), and Debian. There is third-party support for Debian and I expect some handwaving here RSN. Likely they do CentOS too. Oh, and someone's running Slack. If certification is important, the free options aren't options for you. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Advice http://webfoot.com/advice/email.top.php http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 You cannot reply off-list:-) -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What distribution and why?
On Apr 10, 2008, at 7:40 PM, John Summerfield wrote: Nobody's mentioned the free options, though some here are running CentOS4 (C5 is not available for Z), and Debian. There is third-party support for Debian and I expect some handwaving here RSN. Sure, hi, wave wave wave. Likely they do CentOS too. Yeah, if you want. Adam -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: What distribution and why?
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:35 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], RPN01 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- I know this has been discussed before, but times change, and maybe a headcount is in order again. From what I've been told by people who would know, it's about 90-95%/5-10%, depending on whether you count customers or actual systems. Based on the near-deafening silence in this mailing list when RH specific questions are asked that seems likely to be correct. (Along with David Boyes, I also want to acknowledge Brad Hinson for being active in the list. This community and the industry in general needs that kind of participation from all of the distribution providers.) Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
