Hebrew fonts in Supertux/ Ubuntu
Hi, Somebody knows how to have Supertux working with Hebrew fonts in Ubuntu? Best, Julian -- Julian ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hebrew fonts on digital readers
Buying the kindle: 139 $ Shipping to Israel: 40$ (no, you can not change that, fedex is mandatory) Fedex Israel fees: 150 NIS (they charge the vat, handling, moving, storage or whatever) So, at the end buying a kindle costs around 760 Nis which is still 140NIS cheaper than the eVrit, but far from being double. *Nitzan Brumer* Blog: N2b.org http://n2b.org/ | Skype: nitzanzb My profiles: [image: Facebook] http://www.facebook.com/nitzan.brumer [image: Twitter] http://twitter.com/nitzanb [image: LinkedIn]http://il.linkedin.com/in/nitzanb [image: Flickr] http://flickr.com/photos/n2b [image: foursquare]https://foursquare.com/nitzanb On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Stan Goodman stan.good...@hashkedim.comwrote: On 07/04/2011 04:31 AM, Steve G. wrote: FWIW, this is not the same discussion as far as I am concerned. The previous discussion was about what reader is best for Hebrew book. This one is about how to read Hebrew on a Kindle 2. I am not going to buy eVrit, nor any book with DRM on it, if I can help it. On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 11:01 PM, geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com mailto:geoffreymendelson@**gmail.comgeoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote: Didn't we this discussion a couple of months ago? From what I can see nothing has changed. I think in the end the person asking bought an eVrit, which is really a PanDigital Memo with Hebrew support and Steimatzky DRM built in. Are they still 900 NIS? Geoff. 900 NIS? Double the price of a Kindle. If the cottage-cheese folks could be interested in this, the price would surely come down. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel __**_ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/**mailman/listinfo/linux-ilhttp://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hebrew fonts on digital readers
On Jul 4, 2011, at 11:02 AM, Stan Goodman wrote: 900 NIS? Double the price of a Kindle. If the cottage-cheese folks could be interested in this, the price would surely come down. Where exactly can I get a Kindle with a full touch screen for 450 NIS? Ok, the nook version 2 has one and is only $139, but that's in the US and they don't sell internationally. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM Making your enemy reliant on software you support is the best revenge. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hebrew fonts on digital readers
On Jul 4, 2011, at 11:54 AM, Nitzan Brumer wrote: Buying the kindle: 139 $ Shipping to Israel: 40$ (no, you can not change that, fedex is mandatory) Fedex Israel fees: 150 NIS (they charge the vat, handling, moving, storage or whatever) So, at the end buying a kindle costs around 760 Nis which is still 140NIS cheaper than the eVrit, The Kindle 3 has a tiny QWERTY keyboard, while the eVrit has a full touch screen. Not the same at all. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM Making your enemy reliant on software you support is the best revenge. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hebrew fonts on digital readers
FWIW, this is not the same discussion as far as I am concerned. The previous discussion was about what reader is best for Hebrew book. This one is about how to read Hebrew on a Kindle 2. I am not going to buy eVrit, nor any book with DRM on it, if I can help it. On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 11:01 PM, geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote: Didn't we this discussion a couple of months ago? From what I can see nothing has changed. I think in the end the person asking bought an eVrit, which is really a PanDigital Memo with Hebrew support and Steimatzky DRM built in. Are they still 900 NIS? Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM Making your enemy reliant on software you support is the best revenge. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Check out my web site - www.words2u.net ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Hebrew fonts on digital readers
I tried converting a text document containing Hebrew and Spanish to the Kindle format. The Spanish was readable, but the Hebrew was junk. Although I can read html in Hebrew on the Kindle, it does not let me read html documents that are stored locally. I contacted Amazon, and was informed that Hebrew is not currently supported on the Kindle, though they may be working on it. I can convert the document to pdf, which I CAN read on the Kindle, but then I can't use a dictionary for the Spanish, which is my goal in transferring the document. My question is: is there another digital reader (sony, barnes and noble, borders, whoever), which can handle Hebrew charset? I am NOT talking about iPad or a similar devices, as they are much too expensive, and of course any netbook and up can read the documents in multiple formats. Thanks, Z. -- Check out my web site - www.words2u.net ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hebrew fonts on digital readers
I am using the eMachines eM350 netbook for this purpose. Except for short battery life (3 hours or so), it does the job for me. Office Depot sells those netbooks for 1300NIS, which is a bit more expensive than digital readers (typically 800-1200NIS), but it is a general purpose computer. And I was successful in installing Linux on it. --- Omer On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 14:16 -0600, Steve G. wrote: I tried converting a text document containing Hebrew and Spanish to the Kindle format. The Spanish was readable, but the Hebrew was junk. Although I can read html in Hebrew on the Kindle, it does not let me read html documents that are stored locally. I contacted Amazon, and was informed that Hebrew is not currently supported on the Kindle, though they may be working on it. I can convert the document to pdf, which I CAN read on the Kindle, but then I can't use a dictionary for the Spanish, which is my goal in transferring the document. My question is: is there another digital reader (sony, barnes and noble, borders, whoever), which can handle Hebrew charset? I am NOT talking about iPad or a similar devices, as they are much too expensive, and of course any netbook and up can read the documents in multiple formats. -- Bottom posters are filthy heretics and infidels and ought to be burned on the stake after having been tarred, feathered and having rotten eggs thrown at their faces! My own blog is at http://www.zak.co.il/tddpirate/ My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hebrew fonts on digital readers
On Sat, 25 Jun 2011, Steve G. wrote: I tried converting a text document containing Hebrew and Spanish to the Kindle format. The Spanish was readable, but the Hebrew was junk. Although I can read html in Hebrew on the Kindle, it does not let me read html documents that are stored locally. I contacted Amazon, and was informed that Hebrew is not currently supported on the Kindle, though they may be working on it. I can convert the document to pdf, which I CAN read on the Kindle, but then I can't use a dictionary for the Spanish, which is my goal in transferring the document. My question is: is there another digital reader (sony, barnes and noble, borders, whoever), which can handle Hebrew charset? I am NOT talking about iPad or a similar devices, as they are much too expensive, and of course any netbook and up can read the documents in multiple formats. You can change the fonts on the kindle[1], so if that is the only problem with the hebrew, you can use the kindle reader. The browser indeed refuses browsing file://, so you can install a local httpd[2] to browse local files. You can install fbreader[3] which has some form of hebrew support, and is in general a better reader software than the kindle reader. [1] http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88004 [2] http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126128 [3] http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10737 -- Matan Ziv-Av. ma...@svgalib.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hebrew fonts on digital readers
I am using the Kindle 2, but it looks like this is doable. Could you be more specific on doing it? I prefer to just install the font (which one do I use for Hebrew?) and not a web server. Do I have to use the python update script, or is it possible to copy a few file to my Kindle? It is not that easy for me to get a new one where I am, so I'd rather not brick the device... Z. On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Matan Ziv-Av ma...@svgalib.org wrote: On Sat, 25 Jun 2011, Steve G. wrote: I tried converting a text document containing Hebrew and Spanish to the Kindle format. The Spanish was readable, but the Hebrew was junk. Although I can read html in Hebrew on the Kindle, it does not let me read html documents that are stored locally. I contacted Amazon, and was informed that Hebrew is not currently supported on the Kindle, though they may be working on it. I can convert the document to pdf, which I CAN read on the Kindle, but then I can't use a dictionary for the Spanish, which is my goal in transferring the document. My question is: is there another digital reader (sony, barnes and noble, borders, whoever), which can handle Hebrew charset? I am NOT talking about iPad or a similar devices, as they are much too expensive, and of course any netbook and up can read the documents in multiple formats. You can change the fonts on the kindle[1], so if that is the only problem with the hebrew, you can use the kindle reader. The browser indeed refuses browsing file://, so you can install a local httpd[2] to browse local files. You can install fbreader[3] which has some form of hebrew support, and is in general a better reader software than the kindle reader. [1] http://www.mobileread.com/**forums/showthread.php?t=88004http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88004 [2] http://www.mobileread.com/**forums/showthread.php?t=126128http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126128 [3] http://www.mobileread.com/**forums/showthread.php?t=10737http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10737 -- Matan Ziv-Av. ma...@svgalib.org -- Check out my web site - www.words2u.net ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hebrew fonts on digital readers
Didn't we this discussion a couple of months ago? From what I can see nothing has changed. I think in the end the person asking bought an eVrit, which is really a PanDigital Memo with Hebrew support and Steimatzky DRM built in. Are they still 900 NIS? Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM Making your enemy reliant on software you support is the best revenge. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Good places for Hebrew fonts
Hi Dov, You were right, it was the encoding. I have manually made the glyph's unicode position to be correct, but still something is wrong (in OpenOffice): When I choose font (Rashi) and start typing, the font is reset back to the default font. I need to type something using regular hebrew font, then select the text and choose the Rashi font for the letters. After that I can type freely. Can someone suggect why is that happening? BTW, when I saved the ttf font from fontforge, it warned me about wrong direction for the font. I checked around and have not found how to set up font direction. http://t11.mine.nu/rashi_unicode.ttf -- Arie On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 14:38, Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.com wrote: Probably the encoding. Open up the font in FontForge and you can both see how the font is encoded and change its encoding to unicode (actually 10646). The way fontconfig works under Linux is like linking of an executable through ld. The first font that provides the requested range gets to provide the glyph, otherwise it falls back to the next font, and so on. So in your case I guess that the Rashi font did not provide the code points for the Hebrew glyphs in the right positions, so it fell through to the next font that fontconfig is configured to use. Regards, Dov 2010/2/22 Arie Skliarouk sklia...@gmail.com Hi, Someone asked me whether it is possible to use rashi font on OpenOffice. I downloaded a ttf font from http://www.fonts.ro/font/rashi_hebrew copied it to /usr/share/fonts/truetype/openoffice (ubuntu 9.10), the font appeared in the font selection dropbox, but the resulting text is show using regular hebrew font and not rashi's font... What is the problem? -- Arie On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 22:44, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: I have these three pages bookmarked for Hebrew fonts: http://oketz.com/fonts/all.html http://www.wazu.jp/gallery/Fonts_Hebrew.html http://www.wazu.jp/gallery/Fonts_Hebrew2.html Does anybody know where to get others? Additionally, I need an English font like this: http://www.fontshop.com/fonts/downloads/fontpartners/head_pro/ Does anybody know of a similar font, yet that doesn't cost $237.00 USD? Thanks! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il Please CC me if you want to be sure that I read your message. I do not read all list mail. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Vista Hebrew fonts: who has them?
I'm curious what you don't like with the Culmus fonts that are standard in Linux distributions. Or with the Hebrew glyphs of DejaVu font for that matter. Is it font shape or kerning that is bothering you? Can you give an example? Regards, Dov 2009/6/12 Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com Windows Vista has some very nice Hebrew fonts, in stark contrast to Ubuntu or other Linux distros. Although one can easily aquire the Vista fonts with English glyphs, in order to get them with Hebrew glyphs I need to find a machine with Hebrew Vista. If anyone has access to such a machine, I would appreciate it if you could share with me the fonts that contain Hebrew glyphs. Thanks! For that matter, if anyone could recommend some nice FOSS Hebrew fonts I'm all ears. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Vista Hebrew fonts: who has them?
I'm curious what you don't like with the Culmus fonts that are standard in Linux distributions. Or with the Hebrew glyphs of DejaVu font for that matter. Is it font shape or kerning that is bothering you? Can you give an example? Thanks a good question, Dov, and I want to give to you a good answer. What are the names of the Culmus fonts? I will write a sentence and display it in the different fonts, including the Vista fonts, so that I could point out exactly why I prefer the MS fonts. The truth is, I've only briefly seen the Vista fonts, but it was long enough for me to say wow, I like that!. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Vista Hebrew fonts: who has them?
Since all the Culmus fonts have CLM in them you can get the list as below. You can also see the fonts at http://culmus.sourceforge.net/ . You should also compare the various DejaVu fonts, as I believe that most fontconfig configurations just settle for them when using generic fonts like sans and serif. Regards, Dov prompt fc-list| grep -i CLM David CLM:style=Medium Italic Frank Ruehl CLM:style=Medium Drugulin CLM:style=Bold Italic Ellinia CLM:style=Light Ellinia CLM:style=Bold Italic Ellinia CLM:style=Light Italic Yehuda CLM:style=Bold Aharoni CLM:style=Bold Oblique Aharoni CLM:style=Book Aharoni CLM:style=Bold David CLM:style=Medium Miriam Mono CLM:style=Bold Oblique Miriam Mono CLM:style=Book Oblique Nachlieli CLM:style=Light Caladings CLM:style=Regular Ellinia CLM:style=Bold Frank Ruehl CLM:style=Medium Oblique Miriam CLM:style=Bold Miriam CLM:style=Book Miriam Mono CLM:style=Bold Miriam Mono CLM:style=Book Nachlieli CLM:style=Light Oblique Nachlieli CLM:style=Bold Nachlieli CLM:style=Bold Oblique David CLM:style=Bold Drugulin CLM:style=Bold Aharoni CLM:style=Book Oblique Frank Ruehl CLM:style=Bold Frank Ruehl CLM:style=Bold Oblique Yehuda CLM:style=Light 2009/6/14 Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com I'm curious what you don't like with the Culmus fonts that are standard in Linux distributions. Or with the Hebrew glyphs of DejaVu font for that matter. Is it font shape or kerning that is bothering you? Can you give an example? Thanks a good question, Dov, and I want to give to you a good answer. What are the names of the Culmus fonts? I will write a sentence and display it in the different fonts, including the Vista fonts, so that I could point out exactly why I prefer the MS fonts. The truth is, I've only briefly seen the Vista fonts, but it was long enough for me to say wow, I like that!. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Vista Hebrew fonts: who has them?
Here is the file with the Culmus fonts. I am looking for a modern, non-serif font that is curvy, not boxy. Immediately, that leaves only Caladings, Ellinia, Nachlieli, and Yehuda. Caladings is to wide-spaced, Ellinia and Yehuda are too narrow-bodied. That leaves Nachlieli as the only fitting font. When I have samples of the MS fonts I will make a similar page, and I will compare the good MS fonts with Nachlieli. Thanks for this exercise, I really should have done this long ago. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il fonts.odt Description: application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Vista Hebrew fonts: who has them?
I see your point. I compared Nachlieli with Arial and DejaVu and there certainly are some problems both Nachlieli and DejaVu Sans in my opinion: - Both DejaVu and Nachlieli are thinner than Arial, which is not nice for screen reading. - Nachlieli has too short chupchikim in my opinion. Both for Lamed and for Mem. - The kerning of Dejavu needs some work. As I might be 50% out of work in another two weeks, I might have a look at some of the issues, like kerning... We'll see. Regards, Dov 2009/6/14 Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com Here is the file with the Culmus fonts. I am looking for a modern, non-serif font that is curvy, not boxy. Immediately, that leaves only Caladings, Ellinia, Nachlieli, and Yehuda. Caladings is to wide-spaced, Ellinia and Yehuda are too narrow-bodied. That leaves Nachlieli as the only fitting font. When I have samples of the MS fonts I will make a similar page, and I will compare the good MS fonts with Nachlieli. Thanks for this exercise, I really should have done this long ago. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Vista Hebrew fonts: who has them?
I see your point. I compared Nachlieli with Arial and DejaVu and there certainly are some problems both Nachlieli and DejaVu Sans in my opinion: Both DejaVu and Nachlieli are thinner than Arial, which is not nice for screen reading. Nachlieli has too short chupchikim in my opinion. Both for Lamed and for Mem. The kerning of Dejavu needs some work. As I might be 50% out of work in another two weeks, I might have a look at some of the issues, like kerning... We'll see. If you are developing Hebrew fonts, then I'm your happy testbed. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Vista Hebrew fonts: who has them?
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 04:17:40PM +0300, Dov Grobgeld wrote: Since all the Culmus fonts have CLM in them you can get the list as below. You can also see the fonts at http://culmus.sourceforge.net/ . BTW: I quite like the fact that some fonts in Culmus have a decent em for Hebrew that is not Italics. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Vista Hebrew fonts: who has them?
BTW: I quite like the fact that some fonts in Culmus have a decent em for Hebrew that is not Italics. I never looked at that, but I will. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Vista Hebrew fonts: who has them?
Oh, those fonts are unicode, and I can assure you that they do have Hebrew fonts. I use Arial from this download all the times on browser and many other applications (pidgin etc..).. They are unicode, but they do not seem to contain the Hebrew glyphs. Is there a way to open them to be certain? You can also copy the TTF files from your Vista or XP install and use ttmkfdir so your X can recognize those fonts. It should be in your c:\windows\fonts or something (look for TTF type files). I don't have Vista or XP, I have only ever seen the fonts on other peoples' computers. That is the reason that I started this thread, I need to find someone with Vista in Hebrew! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Vista Hebrew fonts: who has them?
Sure, After you install msttcorefonts package, you can do a simple thing (I'm using KDE on Fedora 11, I don't know how to do this with GNOME): 1. Launch kfontview 2. select Open 3. go to /usr/share/fonts/msttcorefonts/ 4. select arial.ttf for example 5. select to change the text and type something in Hebrew 6. The text will be reversed, but you'll be able clearly to see if the font has Hebrew support. I just tried it on Arial and Hebrew looks great. Hetz On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Dotan Cohendotanco...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, those fonts are unicode, and I can assure you that they do have Hebrew fonts. I use Arial from this download all the times on browser and many other applications (pidgin etc..).. They are unicode, but they do not seem to contain the Hebrew glyphs. Is there a way to open them to be certain? You can also copy the TTF files from your Vista or XP install and use ttmkfdir so your X can recognize those fonts. It should be in your c:\windows\fonts or something (look for TTF type files). I don't have Vista or XP, I have only ever seen the fonts on other peoples' computers. That is the reason that I started this thread, I need to find someone with Vista in Hebrew! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- Skepticism is the lazy person's default position. my blog (hebrew): http://benhamo.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Vista Hebrew fonts: who has them?
Windows Vista has some very nice Hebrew fonts, in stark contrast to Ubuntu or other Linux distros. Although one can easily aquire the Vista fonts with English glyphs, in order to get them with Hebrew glyphs I need to find a machine with Hebrew Vista. If anyone has access to such a machine, I would appreciate it if you could share with me the fonts that contain Hebrew glyphs. Thanks! For that matter, if anyone could recommend some nice FOSS Hebrew fonts I'm all ears. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Vista Hebrew fonts: who has them?
the msttcorefonts package does just that: it download some fonts, place them in your distro and let you use them. So if you use ubuntu/debian/xandros, just do: apt-get install msttcorefonts Enjoy, Hetz On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Dotan Cohendotanco...@gmail.com wrote: Windows Vista has some very nice Hebrew fonts, in stark contrast to Ubuntu or other Linux distros. Although one can easily aquire the Vista fonts with English glyphs, in order to get them with Hebrew glyphs I need to find a machine with Hebrew Vista. If anyone has access to such a machine, I would appreciate it if you could share with me the fonts that contain Hebrew glyphs. Thanks! For that matter, if anyone could recommend some nice FOSS Hebrew fonts I'm all ears. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Skepticism is the lazy person's default position. my blog (hebrew): http://benhamo.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Vista Hebrew fonts: who has them?
the msttcorefonts package does just that: it download some fonts, place them in your distro and let you use them. So if you use ubuntu/debian/xandros, just do: apt-get install msttcorefonts Thanks, Hetz, but the .exe on sourcefourge that it downloads only contains Latin glyphs, no Hebrew glyphs. To get Hebrew glyphs, we are on our own! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Vista Hebrew fonts: who has them?
Oh, those fonts are unicode, and I can assure you that they do have Hebrew fonts. I use Arial from this download all the times on browser and many other applications (pidgin etc..).. You can also copy the TTF files from your Vista or XP install and use ttmkfdir so your X can recognize those fonts. It should be in your c:\windows\fonts or something (look for TTF type files). Hetz On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Dotan Cohendotanco...@gmail.com wrote: the msttcorefonts package does just that: it download some fonts, place them in your distro and let you use them. So if you use ubuntu/debian/xandros, just do: apt-get install msttcorefonts Thanks, Hetz, but the .exe on sourcefourge that it downloads only contains Latin glyphs, no Hebrew glyphs. To get Hebrew glyphs, we are on our own! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- Skepticism is the lazy person's default position. my blog (hebrew): http://benhamo.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Changing the English characters of Hebrew fonts.
On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, Dotan Cohen wrote: I have many nice Hebrew fonts that I would like to use for my system font, however, they all have very ugly English letters. Is there a way to change the font that will be used in English in these Hebrew fonts? You can use fontforge to generate a new font file with Hebrew letters from one file and the rest from another. Fontforge supports scripting, so you don't even need to use the GUI. See here for script language reference and simple tutorial: http://fontforge.sourceforge.net/scripting.html http://fontforge.sourceforge.net/scripting-tutorial.html -- Matan Ziv-Av. ma...@svgalib.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Changing the English characters of Hebrew fonts.
2009/2/24 Matan Ziv-Av ma...@svgalib.org: On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, Dotan Cohen wrote: I have many nice Hebrew fonts that I would like to use for my system font, however, they all have very ugly English letters. Is there a way to change the font that will be used in English in these Hebrew fonts? You can use fontforge to generate a new font file with Hebrew letters from one file and the rest from another. Fontforge supports scripting, so you don't even need to use the GUI. See here for script language reference and simple tutorial: http://fontforge.sourceforge.net/scripting.html http://fontforge.sourceforge.net/scripting-tutorial.html Thanks, Matan. It looks like those links contain the info I need, if only I knew to script in Python _and_ was familiar with the way FontForge works. Maybe that is a project for another lifetime... Thanks, though! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Changing the English characters of Hebrew fonts.
On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, Dotan Cohen wrote: 2009/2/24 Matan Ziv-Av ma...@svgalib.org: On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, Dotan Cohen wrote: I have many nice Hebrew fonts that I would like to use for my system font, however, they all have very ugly English letters. Is there a way to change the font that will be used in English in these Hebrew fonts? You can use fontforge to generate a new font file with Hebrew letters from one file and the rest from another. Fontforge supports scripting, so you don't even need to use the GUI. See here for script language reference and simple tutorial: http://fontforge.sourceforge.net/scripting.html http://fontforge.sourceforge.net/scripting-tutorial.html Thanks, Matan. It looks like those links contain the info I need, if only I knew to script in Python _and_ was familiar with the way FontForge works. Maybe that is a project for another lifetime... You don't need that much. Here's a script that takes the letters from a hebrew fonts and adds them to another font: Open(NachlieliCLM-BoldOblique.pfa) SelectAll() Scale(200) Generate(tmp.ttf) Open(SwaBI4nh.ttf) MergeFonts(tmp.ttf) Generate(SwaBI4nh-h.ttf) There are two things you need to change: Easy - the name of the fonts A bit harder - change SelectAll with a function that only selects hebrew letters. I used SelectAll since the Hebrew font I used only has Hebrew letters. -- Matan Ziv-Av. ma...@svgalib.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Changing the English characters of Hebrew fonts.
You don't need that much. Here's a script that takes the letters from a hebrew fonts and adds them to another font: Open(NachlieliCLM-BoldOblique.pfa) SelectAll() Scale(200) Generate(tmp.ttf) Open(SwaBI4nh.ttf) MergeFonts(tmp.ttf) Generate(SwaBI4nh-h.ttf) There are two things you need to change: Easy - the name of the fonts A bit harder - change SelectAll with a function that only selects hebrew letters. I used SelectAll since the Hebrew font I used only has Hebrew letters. Thanks, Matan! 1) The default font viewers in KDE apply English letters. How can I know which letters come in any one font? 2) This works on fonts installed in ~/.fonts or elsewhere? Thanks! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Changing the English characters of Hebrew fonts.
If you are using fontconfig, which at least KDE and Gtk are using, then you may want to use a Hebrew font without any Latin letters. fontconfig does font matching per character according to a priority queue. If the highest priority font does not contain a given glyph, then the next font in the queue gets the chance and so on. Thus if you put a Hebrew only font at the top of the queue it will only supply the Hebrew characters. This is how sans, serif and monotype work. A nice program for checking what glyphs you get for the different fontconfig fonts is gucharmap. Regards, Dov 2009/2/24 Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com You don't need that much. Here's a script that takes the letters from a hebrew fonts and adds them to another font: Open(NachlieliCLM-BoldOblique.pfa) SelectAll() Scale(200) Generate(tmp.ttf) Open(SwaBI4nh.ttf) MergeFonts(tmp.ttf) Generate(SwaBI4nh-h.ttf) There are two things you need to change: Easy - the name of the fonts A bit harder - change SelectAll with a function that only selects hebrew letters. I used SelectAll since the Hebrew font I used only has Hebrew letters. Thanks, Matan! 1) The default font viewers in KDE apply English letters. How can I know which letters come in any one font? 2) This works on fonts installed in ~/.fonts or elsewhere? Thanks! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Changing the English characters of Hebrew fonts.
If you are using fontconfig, which at least KDE and Gtk are using, then you may want to use a Hebrew font without any Latin letters. fontconfig does font matching per character according to a priority queue. If the highest priority font does not contain a given glyph, then the next font in the queue gets the chance and so on. Thus if you put a Hebrew only font at the top of the queue it will only supply the Hebrew characters. This is how sans, serif and monotype work. A nice program for checking what glyphs you get for the different fontconfig fonts is gucharmap. Thank you Dov. 1) How does one stack fonts in the Queue? I am only familiar with KDE's Font Selection tools. 2) How does one remove latin characters from a font? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Changing the English characters of Hebrew fonts.
I have many nice Hebrew fonts that I would like to use for my system font, however, they all have very ugly English letters. Is there a way to change the font that will be used in English in these Hebrew fonts? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: large hebrew fonts needed
On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 12:45:46AM +0200, Haggai Eran wrote: i found this googling: check out step 4. http://convexhull.com/mandrake_fonts.html On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:48:59 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .. Haggai Eran Hi, I don't know why, I was not able to reach convexhull from home.I got it the day before yesterday from work and I went through it and skimmed some of the references. It seems that old video cards/monitors did not detect correctly the physical size of the screen, and the procedure described there allows one to tell the system the correect values (I don't have this problem). One can cheat and obtain thus larger-looking fonts, but this has side effects. Actually one can obtain larger-looking fonts without those side effects by chosing a different display mode. As I wrote to the list, my immediate problem is solved. I am left with the question of the usability of proportional true-type fonts in linux: either the cinemascope like term one gets with them is not of concern to some people who recommend their use, or there is some detail one consistently forgets to mention I googled intensively without being able to find out the answer. Cheers, Avraham = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: large hebrew fonts needed
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 07:32:52PM +0200, Eli Marmor wrote: Although I'm not a typographer, and the following fonts were designed even without a software (but by VIM), some of them may fit your needs: http://elmar.co.il/wwh/wwh/xfiles/H.fonts/index.en.html The list of the fonts is available here: http://elmar.co.il/doc/fonts.html To see a sample of a font, just click on its name. You may want to go directly to the sub-title Big Fonts. As far as I know, my fonts are included as standard in some Linux distributions (such as Mandrake). Good luck, -- Eli Marmor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Netmask (El-Mar) Internet Technologies Ltd. __ Tel.: +972-9-766-1020 8 Yad-Harutzim St. Fax.: +972-9-766-1314 P.O.B. 7004 Mobile: +972-50-5237338 Kfar-Saba 44641, Israel = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Eli, Thanks for the mail. After looking at your fonts and reading the remarks, and some RTFM-ing,I got to the following conclusions: 1-As long as I am using xterm, I am limited to the fixed font. This answers, probably, the second question raised in my letter and echoed by Didi. Question: what kind of terminal must one use to get good rendering of the ttf fonts ? 2-After playing a lot with xfontsel, I found out that, above a certain minimum size, clarity and distinguishability are my main requirements. Beauty comes second. I chosed therefore fn '-*-*-bold-r-*-*-25-*-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1' (A lucinda font in my case) and the -etl-fixed-medium-r-normal--24-240-72-72-c-120-iso8859-8 suggested by Didi for Hebrew. I must therefore use two kinds of teminals, like I use two different .vimrc's (one with linelength limitations for mail, and one without, for scripts) and two .octaverc (one for current work and one, when the graphs should be prepared for publication). I guess that the use of unicode would allow me to use only one type of terminal (I use mainly English and Hebrew. Very rarely German, French and my native Romanian. I forgot long ago the little Russian that I've learned half a century ago). This does not make a big difference, but I would appreciate some pointer to RTFM. Cheers, Avraham = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: large hebrew fonts needed
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 09:04:07PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am using a lot of graphics, and therefore, I set my X term at the hiibhest resolution afforded by my hardware. As a result, unless I use a large font, the text in xterm is very small. In English, am pretty happy with fn 12x24 (-sony-fixed-medium-r-normal--24-170-100-100-c-120-iso8859-1) despite the near-identity between the letter l and the numeral 1. But I did not find anything of comparable size in Hebrew. I have the fixed and the Culmus fonts. Now, before I download and try every other font, I would like to know, from others' experience if there is anything to try. For the moment I am using the 10x20hu (-misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--20-200-75-75-c-100-iso8859-8). in a normal (not Unicode) xterm. My sister uses the font '-etl-fixed-medium-r-normal--24-240-72-72-c-120-iso8859-8' from the Debian package xfonts-intl-european happily. I personally don't like it very much, but it's usable. While I am at it: With most Culmus fonts (the only exception I can think of is Miriam mono), the spacing between the letters is unusually large. Anyone knows why ? That's also the case with all other proportional X fonts, but I do not really know why. I'd love to hear an expert's opinion. -- Didi = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: large hebrew fonts needed
why not set a higher dpi? I don't remember the exact syntax, but it should be somewhere inside your xf86config-4 file. then you can use normal fonts, and they will be rendered larger. On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:04:07 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am using a lot of graphics, and therefore, I set my X term at the hiibhest resolution afforded by my hardware. As a result, unless I use a large font, the text in xterm is very small. In English, am pretty happy with fn 12x24 (-sony-fixed-medium-r-normal--24-170-100-100-c-120-iso8859-1) despite the near-identity between the letter l and the numeral 1. But I did not find anything of comparable size in Hebrew. I have the fixed and the Culmus fonts. Now, before I download and try every other font, I would like to know, from others' experience if there is anything to try. For the moment I am using the 10x20hu (-misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--20-200-75-75-c-100-iso8859-8). in a normal (not Unicode) xterm. While I am at it: With most Culmus fonts (the only exception I can think of is Miriam mono), the spacing between the letters is unusually large. Anyone knows why ? Thanks, Avraham = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Haggai Eran = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: large hebrew fonts needed
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 01:03:06PM +0200, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote: On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 09:04:07PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .. My sister uses the font '-etl-fixed-medium-r-normal--24-240-72-72-c-120-iso8859-8' from the Debian package xfonts-intl-european happily. I personally don't like it very much, but it's usable. While I am at it: With most Culmus fonts (the only exception I can think of is Miriam mono), the spacing between the letters is unusually large. Anyone knows why ? That's also the case with all other proportional X fonts, but I do not really know why. I'd love to hear an expert's opinion. -- Didi Hi Didi, Thanks a lot. The font looks big enough and pretty nice. Even the difference between l and 1, which bugs me with many nice looking fonts is very clear. I think I shall try it. Cheers, Avraham = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: large hebrew fonts needed
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 03:48:11PM +0200, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 09:04:07PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .. Why don't you use a unicode terminal, BTW? Some existing fonts: etl, gnu unifont (though its Hebrew glyphs are not the best) and FreeMono of FreeFont . Hi, Tzafrir, First of all, thanks. As to your question: Before not very long all the problems of localisation fonts and word processing were alien to me. Fortunately, Hebrew works nowadays out of the box (more or less). Up to now I always left the graphic environement to read or write Hebrew. Then I learned how to configure Hebrew fonts in the xterm. Unicode is still unknown teritory. I guess I'll put in the effort to learn it when some defficiency of the present way of working will go over my nerves. Cheers, Avraham = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: large hebrew fonts needed
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 03:56:11PM +0200, Haggai Eran wrote: why not set a higher dpi? I don't remember the exact syntax, but it should be somewhere inside your xf86config-4 file. then you can use normal fonts, and they will be rendered larger. On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:04:07 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .. Haggai Eran = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, Haggai, Thanks. This is an interesting suggestion. Question is what will the change in dpi do to the graphics ? If you don't know to answer, I guess that the most convenient way to find out is to use the Damn small Linux CD: At start they offer you to chose a dpi (While strongly advising to let it alone, if you don't know what that means). Do you happen to know what are reasonable values and what is the default ? If the first attempts give interesting results, you'll hear about them. Cheers, Avraham = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: large hebrew fonts needed
Although I'm not a typographer, and the following fonts were designed even without a software (but by VIM), some of them may fit your needs: http://elmar.co.il/wwh/wwh/xfiles/H.fonts/index.en.html The list of the fonts is available here: http://elmar.co.il/doc/fonts.html To see a sample of a font, just click on its name. You may want to go directly to the sub-title Big Fonts. As far as I know, my fonts are included as standard in some Linux distributions (such as Mandrake). Good luck, -- Eli Marmor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Netmask (El-Mar) Internet Technologies Ltd. __ Tel.: +972-9-766-1020 8 Yad-Harutzim St. Fax.: +972-9-766-1314 P.O.B. 7004 Mobile: +972-50-5237338 Kfar-Saba 44641, Israel = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: large hebrew fonts needed
I think modern monitors do this automatically somehow, but if you have an older monitor, like mine, you can do it yourself: in XF86Config-4, in the monitor's section you write: DisplaySize Width Height where width and height are in milimeters. than X will calculate the correct dpi for your monitor automatically. On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:24:41 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 03:56:11PM +0200, Haggai Eran wrote: why not set a higher dpi? I don't remember the exact syntax, but it should be somewhere inside your xf86config-4 file. then you can use normal fonts, and they will be rendered larger. On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:04:07 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Haggai Eran = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, Haggai, Thanks. This is an interesting suggestion. Question is what will the change in dpi do to the graphics ? If you don't know to answer, I guess that the most convenient way to find out is to use the Damn small Linux CD: At start they offer you to chose a dpi (While strongly advising to let it alone, if you don't know what that means). Do you happen to know what are reasonable values and what is the default ? If the first attempts give interesting results, you'll hear about them. Cheers, Avraham -- Haggai Eran = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: large hebrew fonts needed
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 09:04:07PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am using a lot of graphics, and therefore, I set my X term at the hiibhest resolution afforded by my hardware. As a result, unless I use a large font, the text in xterm is very small. In English, am pretty happy with fn 12x24 (-sony-fixed-medium-r-normal--24-170-100-100-c-120-iso8859-1) despite the near-identity between the letter l and the numeral 1. But I did not find anything of comparable size in Hebrew. I have the fixed and the Culmus fonts. Now, before I download and try every other font, I would like to know, from others' experience if there is anything to try. For the moment I am using the 10x20hu (-misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--20-200-75-75-c-100-iso8859-8). in a normal (not Unicode) xterm. Why don't you use a unicode terminal, BTW? While I am at it: With most Culmus fonts (the only exception I can think of is Miriam mono), the spacing between the letters is unusually large. Anyone knows why ? Thanks, Avraham Some existing fonts: etl, gnu unifont (though its Hebrew glyphs are not the best) and FreeMono of FreeFont . = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
large hebrew fonts needed
Hi, I am using a lot of graphics, and therefore, I set my X term at the hiibhest resolution afforded by my hardware. As a result, unless I use a large font, the text in xterm is very small. In English, am pretty happy with fn 12x24 (-sony-fixed-medium-r-normal--24-170-100-100-c-120-iso8859-1) despite the near-identity between the letter l and the numeral 1. But I did not find anything of comparable size in Hebrew. I have the fixed and the Culmus fonts. Now, before I download and try every other font, I would like to know, from others' experience if there is anything to try. For the moment I am using the 10x20hu (-misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--20-200-75-75-c-100-iso8859-8). in a normal (not Unicode) xterm. While I am at it: With most Culmus fonts (the only exception I can think of is Miriam mono), the spacing between the letters is unusually large. Anyone knows why ? Thanks, Avraham = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
lyx doesn't use the hebrew fonts !!!
Hi, I've followed all the instructions on the page http://phycomp.technion.ac.il/%7Ezaher/Linux/#LyX_-_What_You_See_Is_What_You_Get to make lyx able to write in hebrew but it does not work. I use knoppix (based on debian) with kernel 2.6.7. I have some errors when I start lyx: Could not set menu font to -*-times-medium-r-*-*-*-?-*-*-*-*-iso8859-8 Could not set popup font to -*-times-medium-r-*-*-*-?-*-*-*-*-iso8859-8 Using 'helvetica' font for menus No font matches request. Using 'fixed'. Any idea ? thanks. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: lyx doesn't use the hebrew fonts !!!
On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've followed all the instructions on the page http://phycomp.technion.ac.il/%7Ezaher/Linux/#LyX_-_What_You_See_Is_What_You_Get to make lyx able to write in hebrew but it does not work. I use knoppix (based on debian) with kernel 2.6.7. I have some errors when I start lyx: Could not set menu font to -*-times-medium-r-*-*-*-?-*-*-*-*-iso8859-8 Could not set popup font to -*-times-medium-r-*-*-*-?-*-*-*-*-iso8859-8 Using 'helvetica' font for menus No font matches request. Using 'fixed'. Which lyx front-end is it? lyx-qt or lyx-xforms? I assume that this is lyx-xforms. Try lyx-qt instead. But if you use lyx-xforms and want Hebrew fotns, install the package culmus (a good idea anyway) and use: for serif: one of the following: -culmus-david-meduim-r-*-*-*-?-*-*-*-*-iso8859-8 -culmus-frank ruehl-meduim-r-*-*-*-?-*-*-*-*-iso8859-8 for sans: -culmus-nachlieli-meduim-r-*-*-*-?-*-*-*-*-iso8859-8 for monospaced: -culmus-miriam mono-meduim-r-*-*-*-?-*-*-*-*-iso8859-8 (at least with the current version of culmus) -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: lyx doesn't use the hebrew fonts !!!
Selon Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've followed all the instructions on the page http://phycomp.technion.ac.il/%7Ezaher/Linux/#LyX_-_What_You_See_Is_What_You_Get to make lyx able to write in hebrew but it does not work. I use knoppix (based on debian) with kernel 2.6.7. I have some errors when I start lyx: Could not set menu font to -*-times-medium-r-*-*-*-?-*-*-*-*-iso8859-8 Could not set popup font to -*-times-medium-r-*-*-*-?-*-*-*-*-iso8859-8 Using 'helvetica' font for menus No font matches request. Using 'fixed'. Which lyx front-end is it? lyx-qt or lyx-xforms? I assume that this is lyx-xforms. Try lyx-qt instead. yes, it's lyx-xforms But if you use lyx-xforms and want Hebrew fotns, install the package culmus (a good idea anyway) already installed: ii culmus 0.93-1 Type1 Hebrew Fonts for X11 and use: for serif: one of the following: -culmus-david-meduim-r-*-*-*-?-*-*-*-*-iso8859-8 -culmus-frank ruehl-meduim-r-*-*-*-?-*-*-*-*-iso8859-8 for sans: -culmus-nachlieli-meduim-r-*-*-*-?-*-*-*-*-iso8859-8 for monospaced: -culmus-miriam mono-meduim-r-*-*-*-?-*-*-*-*-iso8859-8 how do you use it. Where have I to specify it ? I tried in lyxrc like this: \screen_font_sans -*-culmus-nachlieli-meduim-r- \screen_font_typewriter -*-courier new #\screen_font_menu -*-times-medium-r \screen_font_menu -*-culmus-nachlieli-meduim-r- \screen_font_popup -*-times-medium-r but it says Could not set menu font to -*-culmus-nachlieli-meduim-r--*-*-*-?-*-*-*-*-iso8859-8 I also have this in the text editor when I press keys supposed to be hebrew keys: ìïåéèè (at least with the current version of culmus) I'll try lyx-qt. -- Tzafrir Cohen thanks. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: lyx doesn't use the hebrew fonts !!!
Selon Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Which lyx front-end is it? lyx-qt or lyx-xforms? I assume that this is lyx-xforms. Try lyx-qt instead. I have just installed lyx-qt and it works very good. Why didn't I follow the instructions of Zaher's Linux Tips !!! Thanks Tzafrir for your advises. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew fonts in KsCD
On Thursday 01 April 2004 18:23, Shlomo Solomon wrote: SS I haven't found any way to change the fonts used to display freedb info in SS KsCD (specifically to a Hebrew font). Am I missing something - can it be SS done? SS Well, with me it's about Russian titles being fetched and diplayed in _totally wrong_ encoding , I found no other way than manually fetch the freedb info and recode the files in ~/.kde/share/apps/kscd/cddb/ to system default locale with iconv. KsCD doesn't know anything about encodings, it just shows what it got from the freedb server or the local file. That and the random crashes on fetching the data from freedb are two main reasons why i don't use it much. -- Sincerely Yours, Vasiliev Michael NP: (RMP.ru) - To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[HAIFUX LECTURE] Maxim Iorsh on Hebrew Fonts: History and Technology
Next Monday (22/3/2004), 18:30, the Haifa Linux Club will once again meet to hear Maxim Iorsh talk about: Hebrew Fonts History and Technology Maxim has promised to shape his lecture according to the public requests. The thread in which people expressed their interests is located at the following URL: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg00693.html We meet in the Technion, Taub 3. See http://www.haifux.org.org/where/html for arrival details. You are all invited! Future lectures include: Staying in Linux - Trust and Open Source by Alon Altman on 29/3/2004 Ingo Molnar's O(1) scheduler by Erez Hadad on 19/4/2004 Staying in Linux - Firewall with IPtables by Adir Abraham on 3/5/2004 Firewall with IPtables by Adir Abraham on 10/5/2004 100'th lecture party + Staying in Linux - Quick and Dirty Bash by Eli Billauer on 17/5/2004 Web hacking for fun and profit Alon Altman 24/5/2004 Linux kernel 2.6 by Muli Ben Yehuda 7/6/2004 User Mode Linux by Muli Ben-Yehuda 21/6/2004 Introduction to GnuCash by Baruch Even on 5/7/2004 We are always looking for interesting lecture ideas. Have a subject you want to talk about? Or a subject you'd like to hear someone else talk about? email us. -- Orna Agmon http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~ladypine/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew fonts and PPTP
On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 08:34:30AM +0200, Yaniv Almog wrote: 2. Last June I installed a PPTP client (from pptpclient.sourceforge.net) to connect my computer through the cables to the Technion VPN server. It worked smoothly for two months but then, in August, because of Blasterworm, the Technion made some changes, one of them was to block the ping port. Since then I cannot connect to the internet. The PPTP clent dies off approximately one minuet after it starts (the login process works fine). Any ideas how to solve the problem? (I can still connect from my XP partition) Some things to try, if no one knows the correct answer off the top of her head: - the excellent pptp diagnosys howto: http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-diagnosis.phtml - enabling debug (http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-diagnosis.phtml#debug) so we can know what is happening. Cheers, Muli -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org | http://mulix.livejournal.com/ the nucleus of linux oscillates my world - [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Hebrew fonts and PPTP
Yaniv Almog wrote: 2. Last June I installed a PPTP client (from pptpclient.sourceforge.net) to connect my computer through the cables to the Technion VPN server. It worked smoothly for two months but then, in August, because of Blasterworm, the Technion made some changes, one of them was to block the ping port. Since then I cannot connect to the internet. The PPTP clent dies off approximately one minuet after it starts (the login process works fine). Any ideas how to solve the problem? (I can still connect from my XP partition) Is your XP set up to use PPTP or L2TP? Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 972-54-608-069 Icq/AIM Uin: 2661079 MSN IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Not for email) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew fonts and PPTP
On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 08:34:30AM +0200, Yaniv Almog wrote: Shalom, 1. I have recently installed Microsoft's TTF fonts on my Fedora core partition. I have installed them both with ttmkfdir and fc-cache. However, I am getting squares on my screen when I try to view them on my screen. I didn't have that problem with Redhat 9. any possible explanation and, of course, a solution? There are two separate font mechanisms used for X programs: The older one, the core fonts: fonts with names such as '-culmus-nachlieli-medium-r-normal--*-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-8' (actually: the '*' are wild cards). Most programs in your desktop don't use it. There is also Xft2/fontconfig. Its main config file is /etc/fonts/fonts.conf . However there is generally no need to edit it, as it already includes /usr/share/fonts/ and everything under it. However if every client would have needed to scan all the tree under /usr/share/fonts upon startup this would have been a waste of time. This is why Xft maintains a cache of fonts. The command fc-cache is for maintaining it. So to install a font you need to create a subdirectory under /usr/share/fonts , put your fonts there, and then update the cache using fc-cache. ttmkfdir is unnecessary (except if you use the obsolete Xft1. And if you don't use RH73 or Mandrake 8.2(?) you probably don't use it). It is required if you want to make the fonts avialable as core fonts. But this is for a different message (needed?) 2. Last June I installed a PPTP client (from pptpclient.sourceforge.net) to connect my computer through the cables to the Technion VPN server. It worked smoothly for two months but then, in August, because of Blasterworm, the Technion made some changes, one of them was to block the ping port. Since then I cannot connect to the internet. The PPTP clent dies off approximately one minuet after it starts (the login process works fine). Any ideas how to solve the problem? (I can still connect from my XP partition) One guess: Sounds like a routing problem: your default route becomes the pptp target, and then you try to send even the pptp tunnel packets through that connection. What is the output of 'route -n' immidetly after a disconnection? -- Tzafrir Cohen +---+ http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/ |vim is a mutt's best friend| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +---+ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hebrew fonts and PPTP
Shalom, 1. I have recently installed Microsofts TTF fonts on my Fedora core partition. I have installed them both with ttmkfdir and fc-cache. However, I am getting squares on my screen when I try to view them on my screen. I didnt have that problem with Redhat 9. any possible explanation and, of course, a solution? 2. Last June I installed a PPTP client (from pptpclient.sourceforge.net) to connect my computer through the cables to the Technion VPN server. It worked smoothly for two months but then, in August, because of Blasterworm, the Technion made some changes, one of them was to block the ping port. Since then I cannot connect to the internet. The PPTP clent dies off approximately one minuet after it starts (the login process works fine). Any ideas how to solve the problem? (I can still connect from my XP partition) Thanks, Yaniv
Re: adding windows hebrew fonts??
Did you have a look at this Ivrix guide? here's the link: http://www.ivrix.org.il/projects/guides/Hebrew/HebrewFontsinRH/HebrewFontsinRH.pdf --- Walla! Mail, Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Walla! at: http://mail.walla.co.il = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: adding windows hebrew fonts??
29 2003, 23:17,Aaron: Hi all, I once had Mandrake and its font utility let me install all my windows fonts on linux including the hebrew ones. Anyone know how to do the same thing on Redhat??? If you are using KDE, then you can use the KControl font installer. if you run it as an unpriviliged user it will install the fonts on your home directory only for your user, but running it as root will install fonts for the system. There are some settings to be configured before you can start installing, but the defaults are usually ok and whats not is very straight-forward. In case you might wonder - it does not install fonts in a KDE specific way so that any X client can use the new fonts. -- Oded ::.. Murphy's Law is recursive. Washing your car to make it rain doesn't work. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: adding windows hebrew fonts??
On Sat, Nov 29, 2003 at 11:38:53PM +0200, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Sat, Nov 29, 2003 at 11:17:42PM +0200, Aaron wrote: Hi all, I once had Mandrake and its font utility let me install all my windows fonts on linux including the hebrew ones. Anyone know how to do the same thing on Redhat??? thanks Aaron Most of the programs use Xfs/fontconfig. Furthermore, IIRC redhat is configured so that fonts under /usr/share/fonts are automatically added. Actually: not automatically: for reasons of efficiency there is a cache file there. Thus you need to run 'fc-cache' after you added/changed/removed fonts. So basically: create a directory under /usr/share/fonts, put the fotns there, and run fc-cache . BTW: I try to read the fc-cache man page on a fedora system (thanks, Lior) and I get the following error message: iconv: illegal input sequence at position 111 And I get nothing. This is not a problem of less: I tried using '-P more'. The current locale settings are 'POSIX' for everything. I'm afraid I can only answear you concerning debian, but this could probably be translated into redhat (to open the debian package archives if you need the actualy executables by any chance use ar and then open data.tar.gz). This is how to add any truetype font. You can create a fonts.scale and a fonts.dir using the ttmkfdir program. It creates a fonts.scale but you can just copy it to fonts.dir. Then point /etc/XF84Config to that directory. If you are not using an external font server, you need to add a Font entry and make sure you load eithet the xtt or freetype modules. I attach here a description posted on the debian list on how to add fonts. The directories are debian specific, but I am guessing that the rest is good on any system. Its by Rob Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] A very short guide to setting up fonts for X in Debian. It assumes XFree86 4.1 or more recent, and explains how to setup fontconfig and Xft1. 1) Install x-ttcidfont-conf and defoma 2) Add a line like this to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, in the Files section FontPath/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType Adding it at the top of the list is probably a good idea. This line will setup XFree86 to use any TrueType fonts you install from Debian packages. If you install a new set of TrueType fonts while in X, run xset fp rehash to get XFree86 to look at the contents of that directory again and to pickup new ones. 3) Move this line to the bottom of the list of FontPaths FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1 XFree86 does a rather poor job of rendering Type1 fonts these days, and if this is above your better looking fonts, you can get a some pretty ugly results. 4) Add :unscaled to the end of the 100dpi and 75dpi font lines, so they look like this FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled Without the :unscaled bit, XFree86 will try to scale these bitmap fonts up and down, which usually looks rather horrible. And, after all that, my Files section looks like this: Section Files FontPath/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType FontPath/usr/share/fonts/truetype FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled FontPath/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled EndSection Now that it's all setup, install some font packages. ttf-bitstream-vera is a rather nice set of fonts, and is Free enough to go into Debian itself. It's not in woody yet, but you can download the .deb from http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/t/ttf-bitstream-vera/ttf-bitstream-vera_1.10-3_all.deb (or your local mirror) and install it with dpkg -i ttf-bitstream-vera_1.10-3_all.deb (as root). sid and sarge users are just an apt-get install ttf-bitstream-vera away from it. Another option is ttf-freefont, which is in all three current versions of Debian. Another alternative is to install Microsoft's Corefonts. They removed the the fonts from their website, but the msttcorefonts package will download them for you from a mirror. Note that these are NOT Free (in the Debian sense), but you're permitted to at least use and download them. Both of these packages (and the other ttf-* packages in Debian) should now Just Work, and appear available to all X programs that use the regular core font system. This includes things like xterm, emacs and most other non-KDE and non-GNOME applications. Now, run xfontsel and select either Microsoft or Bitstream in the fndry menu (click on the word fndry). Now look at the ungrayed out entries in the fmly menu. You should have a bunch of either Microsoft fonts (Verdana, Trebuchet, etc) or some Bitstream ones (or both). For
adding windows hebrew fonts??
Hi all, I once had Mandrake and its font utility let me install all my windows fonts on linux including the hebrew ones. Anyone know how to do the same thing on Redhat??? thanks Aaron = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hebrew fonts and utf (gtk2)
On Sunday 20 July 2003 16:37, Erez Doron wrote: my gtk2 apps converts every font into utf8 and then displays it. Every font? You mean - every text file you open? whenevev i display hebrew chars i get just lines and signs (e.g. junk) You're opening a file with the wrong (not UTF-8) encoding? the same app works of on my pc, but not on my ipaq The same app? What app? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
hebrew fonts and utf (gtk2)
hi my gtk2 apps converts every font into utf8 and then displays it. whenevev i display hebrew chars i get just lines and signs (e.g. junk) the same app works of on my pc, but not on my ipaq anyone ? erez. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew fonts
On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 08:06:40AM +0200, Eli Segal wrote: Hey all, I install in my debian the pkg msttfcorefonts, and it told me that i need to have the Defoma pkg for it to work, i try to install it but apparently i allready have it installed but i still don't get these fonts :( Do i need to activate Defoma ?? how do I do that ?? I don't know the exact answers. Hopefully some more general tips might help, although I am somewhat guessing. 1. As root, try dpkg-reconfigure defoma 2. Try looking at /usr/share/doc/msttfcorefonts and /usr/share/doc/defoma/. 3. Ask on debian-user. 4. Wait for someone else to give better answers. In addition, I believe Debian now has fontconfig, or something similar. Not sure if/how defoma is integrated with it. -- Shaul Karl, [EMAIL PROTECTED] e t = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew fonts
I installed the msttfcorefotns package lately too, on debian also, but, I cant recall exactly what happened there :-( I can tell you that I was also required to install defoma, which I did and, I also DL'd the fonts themselves in some .exe self extracting package which I've google'd to find. Then the msttfcorefotns installed easily and a restart to the X enabled the fonts. more comments: - I believe copying the (licensed) fonts from your Winblows machine and then running the fonts preparation commands manually gives more fonts than the ones you get in the .exe file, which is perhaps older (IIRC, it involved running two commands in the directory you placed your fonts at, and updating X for the new path - either using the xfs, or in the XF86Config file). I did this a few years ago but cant recall the exact details... . you can search the Linux-IL archives to recall old messages detailing the process to go through. I have no spare time these days so I went the faster, but also the obscure, way. anyway, just to let you know, the process you described worked for me - don't forget you have to download the fonts themselves (you haven't mentioned this). - Well, you can also ask this question of Debian-IL mailing list, but I believe most, if not all, power users there are also subscribed to this list. Boaz. - Original Message - From: Shaul Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Eli Segal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Linux-IL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 4:51 PM Subject: Re: Hebrew fonts On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 08:06:40AM +0200, Eli Segal wrote: Hey all, I install in my debian the pkg msttfcorefonts, and it told me that i need to have the Defoma pkg for it to work, i try to install it but apparently i allready have it installed but i still don't get these fonts :( Do i need to activate Defoma ?? how do I do that ?? I don't know the exact answers. Hopefully some more general tips might help, although I am somewhat guessing. 1. As root, try dpkg-reconfigure defoma 2. Try looking at /usr/share/doc/msttfcorefonts and /usr/share/doc/defoma/. 3. Ask on debian-user. 4. Wait for someone else to give better answers. In addition, I believe Debian now has fontconfig, or something similar. Not sure if/how defoma is integrated with it. -- Shaul Karl, [EMAIL PROTECTED] e t = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hebrew fonts
Hey all, I install in my debian the pkg msttfcorefonts, and it told me that i need to have the Defoma pkg for it to work, i try to install it but apparently i allready have it installed but i still don't get these fonts :( Do i need to activate Defoma ?? how do I do that ?? Tahnx Eli = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
KsCD (Hebrew) fonts
I haven't found any way to change the fonts in KsCD (specifically to a Hebrew font). Am I missing something - can it be done? Most of my CDs have English titles (and freedb works fine). But when I play a Hebrew CD, I get gibberish. I'm attaching a snapshot of KAVERET - POOGY. Mandrake 9.0 - KDE 3.0.5a - KsCD 1.3.3 And, of course, just so there's no mis-understanding, Hebrew support in other apps works well - the problem is specific to KsCD. BTW - I found a file named: /usr/share/locale/he/LC_MESSAGES/kscd.mo which seems to have something to do with Hebrew support, but I found no instructions about what to do with it. And, in any case, my guess is that this has to do with Hebrew menues - but that's not what I'm looking for. All I want is to display the Hebrew freedb information. Any help would be appreciated - TIA -- Shlomo Solomon http://come.to/shlomo.solomon Sent by KMail (KDE 3.0.5a) on LINUX Mandrake 9.0 To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hebrew fonts on the web (was: Re: Mazal Tov! (fonts))
I saw the article on whatsup I think, and started to d/l fonts and install them. Both on RH8.0 and MDK9.0. Somehow most of the fonts were not usable in kde3/gtk(1/2). I did not investigate it too much, as all I saw were squares. In rh I put the fotns in ~/.fonts. In mdk I did ttmkfdir - fonts.dir; chkcfontpath --add `pwd` and edited /etc/X11/Xftconfig Any one else tested? - diego 23 2003, 09:51, Ira Abramov : Quoting Tzafrir Cohen, from the post of Sun, 23 Feb: On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Ira Abramov wrote: indeed, I see they added a few more fonts and renamed them. if memory served they used to call them differently before. Your memory doesn't serve you right, I figure... /usr/share/doc/culmus/changelog.gz on Debian: Font family Dror has been renamed to Frank Ruehl to maintain consistency with common conventions. Hasida family discontinued in favor of Miriam Mono. there were a few changes, as I see :) I just want to be calm about the font designs' ownerships, and that the copyrighters do allow the use of the designs and names in a GPL package. I don't surf much in Israeli sites, but people tell me there are a lot of free decorative TTFs for DL, anyone knows any good ones that are also Free? well, even if they don't come with a source, at least ones that permit redistribution and unrestricted use (e.g. in a commercial environmrnt). Until we get the big bodies to release fonts Libre, I'd like to find a few more Gratis, unlimited-use ones. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Hebrew fonts for GhostScript
Further to my previous posts, I have come up with more problems: 1. The instructions in the Fonts-HOWTO (specifically,this page-- http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Font-HOWTO/x346.html) are for an outdated version of ttf2pt1. The line in the Perl script that reads: open ( R, sh -c \ttf2pt1 -A $fontname - 2/dev/null\ | ); Should be changed to: open ( R, sh -c \ttf2pt1 -GAf $fontname - \ | ); 2. In my installation (gs 7.05.5 on Gentoo 1.2), the GhostScript Fontmap file is not in the GhostScript search path. (The last few lines of output from gs -h tell you what the search path is.) I moved Fontmap to /usr/share/ghostscript/fonts (which IS in the search path). Now when I do gs prfont.ps, and then /ArialMT DoFont (at the GS prompt), it shows me the contents of arial.ttf. So far, so good. 3. When I print an Hebrew file (all Narkisim) from KWord to a ps file, all the Hebrew characters appear as squares. (This is progress! Before, there were just blank spaces.) (I had already checked the Narkisim font with gs prfont.ps--I could see the Hebrew characters.) Does anyone know how I can make the final step to being able to create, view and print ps files with READABLE Hebrew? TIA, Martin Polley Technical Communicator http://www.surf-com.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: (+972) (4) 9095-732 Mobile: (053) 864-280 ICQ 15617901 Hlade's Law: If you have a difficult task, give it to a lazy person. They will find an easier way to do it. -Original Message- From: Hetz Ben Hamo [mailto:hetz;witch.dyndns.org] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 12:53 PM To: Martin Polley; Linux IL Cc: Tzafrir Cohen Subject: Re: Hebrew fonts for GhostScript On Thursday 07 November 2002 11:41, Martin Polley wrote: Oops--I accidentally hit Send before I finished writing... It should have said: OK, now I can reply to my own question (after some RTFMing): The answer is here, in the Fonts-HOWTO: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Font-HOWTO/x346.html Hmm, excellent! Tzafrir, would you be kind enough to add this to the hebrew section in IGLU please? I know LOTS of people here had problems reading hebrew PDF files due to problems with fonts ghostscripts.. Thanks, Hetz To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hebrew fonts for GhostScript
Hi all, I need to add fonts to GhostScript so I can create PS and PDF files containing Hebrew characters (oh, and to print them, too). Anyone know how to do this? (I am using Gentoo 1.2, KDE 3.0.3 and GS 7.05.5.) Assuming I have Hebrew fonts available (e.g. Windows TT fonts), is there a tool available to update the relevant files? (fontmap, fonts.dir and fonts.scale--or do I just need to update fontmap?) Or can I get GS to use the fonts just by setting thhe appropriate GS environment variable? TIA, Martin Polley Technical Communicator http://www.surf-com.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: (+972) (4) 9095-732 Mobile: (053) 864-280 ICQ 15617901 Hlade's Law: If you have a difficult task, give it to a lazy person. They will find an easier way to do it. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Hebrew fonts for GhostScript
OK, now I can reply to my own question. The answer is here, in the Fonts-HOWTO: Martin Polley Technical Communicator Tel: 732 Mobile: (053) 864-280 -Original Message- From: Martin Polley Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 11:25 AM To: Linux IL Subject: Hebrew fonts for GhostScript Hi all, I need to add fonts to GhostScript so I can create PS and PDF files containing Hebrew characters (oh, and to print them, too). Anyone know how to do this? (I am using Gentoo 1.2, KDE 3.0.3 and GS 7.05.5.) Assuming I have Hebrew fonts available (e.g. Windows TT fonts), is there a tool available to update the relevant files? (fontmap, fonts.dir and fonts.scale--or do I just need to update fontmap?) Or can I get GS to use the fonts just by setting thhe appropriate GS environment variable? TIA, Martin Polley Technical Communicator http://www.surf-com.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: (+972) (4) 9095-732 Mobile: (053) 864-280 ICQ 15617901 Hlade's Law: If you have a difficult task, give it to a lazy person. They will find an easier way to do it. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Hebrew fonts for GhostScript
Oops--I accidentally hit Send before I finished writing... It should have said: OK, now I can reply to my own question (after some RTFMing): The answer is here, in the Fonts-HOWTO: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Font-HOWTO/x346.html Martin Polley Technical Communicator http://www.surf-com.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: (+972) (4) 9095-732 Mobile: (053) 864-280 ICQ 15617901 Hlade's Law: If you have a difficult task, give it to a lazy person. They will find an easier way to do it. -Original Message- From: Martin Polley Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 11:25 AM To: Linux IL Subject: Hebrew fonts for GhostScript Hi all, I need to add fonts to GhostScript so I can create PS and PDF files containing Hebrew characters (oh, and to print them, too). Anyone know how to do this? (I am using Gentoo 1.2, KDE 3.0.3 and GS 7.05.5.) Assuming I have Hebrew fonts available (e.g. Windows TT fonts), is there a tool available to update the relevant files? (fontmap, fonts.dir and fonts.scale--or do I just need to update fontmap?) Or can I get GS to use the fonts just by setting thhe appropriate GS environment variable? TIA, Martin Polley Technical Communicator http://www.surf-com.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: (+972) (4) 9095-732 Mobile: (053) 864-280 ICQ 15617901 Hlade's Law: If you have a difficult task, give it to a lazy person. They will find an easier way to do it. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew fonts for GhostScript
On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Martin Polley wrote: Hi all, I need to add fonts to GhostScript so I can create PS and PDF files containing Hebrew characters (oh, and to print them, too). Anyone know how to do this? (I am using Gentoo 1.2, KDE 3.0.3 and GS 7.05.5.) AFAIK Hebrew PostScript fonts are not standard, and therefore a printer (or ghostscript) is not expected to carry them. They should be embedded in the postscript file -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:tzafrir;technion.ac.il http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew fonts for GhostScript
On Thursday 07 November 2002 11:41, Martin Polley wrote: Oops--I accidentally hit Send before I finished writing... It should have said: OK, now I can reply to my own question (after some RTFMing): The answer is here, in the Fonts-HOWTO: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Font-HOWTO/x346.html Hmm, excellent! Tzafrir, would you be kind enough to add this to the hebrew section in IGLU please? I know LOTS of people here had problems reading hebrew PDF files due to problems with fonts ghostscripts.. Thanks, Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Fwd: Re: Hebrew fonts in Abiword - again]
Whoops, replied only to Tzafrir. Message attached. Original Message Subject: Re: Hebrew fonts in Abiword - again Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 09:47:57 +0300 From: Itai Segall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Sun, 22 Sep 2002, Itai Segall wrote: Hi. I know this matter has been discussed at least twice so far on this list, but I still can't seem to make hebrew work properly in AbiWord. I'm using AbiWord version 1.0.2, compiled with bidi enabled, and locale set to he_IL.ISO-8859-8. First of all, I had to disable font warning on startup, because of the annoying can't modify your font path error on startup. Now I installed a few fonts, including Win's Miriam and David, in /usr/local/share/AbiSuite/fonts/ISO-8859-8, and updated the fonts.dir and fonts.scale. Did you use abiword's scripts to create Type1 fonts from the TTFs? /path/to/ttfadmin.sh /usr/local/share/AbiSuite/fonts/ISO-8859-8 ISO-8859-8 Yes, I have. Another thing I haven't mentioned, is that most of those fonts give me an error when selected: AbiWord encountered errors parsing the font metrics file [ afm filename ] These errors were not fatal, but print metrics may be incorrect. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hebrew fonts in Abiword - again
Hi. I know this matter has been discussed at least twice so far on this list, but I still can't seem to make hebrew work properly in AbiWord. I'm using AbiWord version 1.0.2, compiled with bidi enabled, and locale set to he_IL.ISO-8859-8. First of all, I had to disable font warning on startup, because of the annoying can't modify your font path error on startup. Now I installed a few fonts, including Win's Miriam and David, in /usr/local/share/AbiSuite/fonts/ISO-8859-8, and updated the fonts.dir and fonts.scale. The above two fonts appear in the fonts list when I run Abiword, but still no hebrew. These two specific fonts show blank squares instead of hebrew characters, and all other fonts (for example, Times New Roman) show gibrish (german-like e's and a's with dots and lines above). PS. I'm using Redhat 7.3 and KDE 3.0.0, and have no problems with hebrew in other places. Thanks, Itai = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew fonts in Abiword - again
On Sun, 22 Sep 2002, Itai Segall wrote: Hi. I know this matter has been discussed at least twice so far on this list, but I still can't seem to make hebrew work properly in AbiWord. I'm using AbiWord version 1.0.2, compiled with bidi enabled, and locale set to he_IL.ISO-8859-8. First of all, I had to disable font warning on startup, because of the annoying can't modify your font path error on startup. Now I installed a few fonts, including Win's Miriam and David, in /usr/local/share/AbiSuite/fonts/ISO-8859-8, and updated the fonts.dir and fonts.scale. Did you use abiword's scripts to create Type1 fonts from the TTFs? /path/to/ttfadmin.sh /usr/local/share/AbiSuite/fonts/ISO-8859-8 ISO-8859-8 The above two fonts appear in the fonts list when I run Abiword, but still no hebrew. These two specific fonts show blank squares instead of hebrew characters, and all other fonts (for example, Times New Roman) show gibrish (german-like e's and a's with dots and lines above). PS. I'm using Redhat 7.3 and KDE 3.0.0, and have no problems with hebrew in other places. Thanks, Itai = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
TIP: fixed width hebrew fonts
Hi, I've looked for some time for a good looking hebrew fonts to use with xterm and gvim, I never really liked the ones that come with X. I just found a script on Dov Grobgeld's website that converts vgf/fnt fonts that can be ripped from the computer BIOS using EVAFONT (http://www.simtel.net/pub/pd/49489.html - DOS program) to bdf fonts that can be used in X. The script is at http://imagic.weizmann.ac.il/~dov/Hebrew/fonts/dovhebbdf-0.1.tgz, there are also some fonts that he already converted there. It looks much better than heb8x13 in my opinion. Sagi To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: heb fonts solved, previously hebrew fonts under linux
On Wednesday 27 February 2002 16:02, Shai Bentin wrote: I have successfully installed hebrew fonts under abiword 0.99 with bidi. I'll write a small how-to and publish it here in a few days time. Anybody who can't wait can try and e-mail me directly. Shai Hi shai (list) I managed to install hebrew fonts under abiword 0.9.2, and I saw that the one I have is not bidi enabled. I want to d/l a bidi-enabled binary for mandrake. are they available? How about the how-to? will it be available soon? - diego -- You should never bet against anything in science at odds of more than about 10^12 to 1. -- Ernest Rutherford = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
heb fonts solved, previously hebrew fonts under linux
I have successfully installed hebrew fonts under abiword 0.99 with bidi. I'll write a small how-to and publish it here in a few days time. Anybody who can't wait can try and e-mail me directly. Shai = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
hebrew fonts under abiword
I have gotten my abiword to work with bidi, I also have the keyoard mapping correct, however I don't have hebrew fonts. I read that abiword uses it's own font directory. Can someone describe to me what I have to do inorder to install hebrew fonts for abiword. Is all I have to do is copy fonts to the directory and run the program to add them to the fonts.dir file? thanx = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hebrew fonts under Mandrake X Server.
Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, tizmoeye wrote: Hello, i am using mandrake 8.1 .. and i got a little big problem with the hebrew fonts under X.. i tired reading the instructions on the iglu.org.il site and didnt got a thing. i wanted to get in elmar.co.il to get some help there but it seems like the site is down.. and really down.. cuz i couldent get in there for something like 2 or 3 days.. Eli? Yes, my fault, blame me... This is one of the unfortunate results of a complex and unsuccessful upgrade (everything was changed, from server, to a new Linux-based router, and even a complex network - DMZ and all the rest of that junk). But things progress (though too slowly for my taste): After a couple of days that even e-mail didn't work, now most of the things (DNS, virtual hosts, e-mail of course, etc.) work. You can even use FTP (the origin of the fonts, if you are curious, is ftp://elmar.co.il/pub/H.fonts.tar.Z, and is already available. The main thing that still isn't available, is the web site. I can put it back immediately, but it must pass some drammatic changes before returning. It will take about 48 hours (plus-minus). All the old pages will be available in their original URLs. BTW: I still have problems with local masqueraded clients at the MZ, trying to FTP servers. While it is possible to FTP, it is impossible to view directory lists or to get files (i.e. the PASSIVE actions don't work). I know that this is a FAQ, but I haven't found a FA (Frequently Answer) so far. Is there a quick answer from one of the iptables / masquerading people? -- Eli Marmor [EMAIL PROTECTED] CTO, Founder Netmask (El-Mar) Internet Technologies Ltd. __ Tel.: +972-9-766-1020 8 Yad-Harutzim St. Fax.: +972-9-766-1314 P.O.B. 7004 Mobile: +972-50-23-7338 Kfar-Saba 44641, Israel = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hebrew fonts under Mandrake X Server.
I wrote: BTW: I still have problems with local masqueraded clients at the MZ, trying to FTP servers. While it is possible to FTP, it is impossible to view directory lists or to get files (i.e. the PASSIVE actions don't work). I know that this is a FAQ, but I haven't found a FA (Frequently Answer) so far. Is there a quick answer from one of the iptables / masquerading people? Forget it. I had modprobes of ip_conntrack_ftp, ip_nat_ftp, etc., in a BASH function called load_modules(). My main() function called this function, and everything worked great. The line that called that function was probably removed accidently, and since then FTP made problems. I re-added the line, and everything works great again. -- Eli Marmor [EMAIL PROTECTED] CTO, Founder Netmask (El-Mar) Internet Technologies Ltd. __ Tel.: +972-9-766-1020 8 Yad-Harutzim St. Fax.: +972-9-766-1314 P.O.B. 7004 Mobile: +972-50-23-7338 Kfar-Saba 44641, Israel = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
hebrew fonts under Mandrake X Server.
Hello, i am using mandrake 8.1 .. and i got a little big problem with the hebrew fonts under X.. i tired reading the instructions on the iglu.org.il site and didnt got a thing. i wanted to get in elmar.co.il to get some help there but it seems like the site is down.. and really down.. cuz i couldent get in there for something like 2 or 3 days.. if someone could help me out intalling the fonts it would be great. thanks. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hebrew fonts under Mandrake X Server.
On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, tizmoeye wrote: Hello, i am using mandrake 8.1 .. and i got a little big problem with the hebrew fonts under X.. i tired reading the instructions on the iglu.org.il site and didnt got a thing. i wanted to get in elmar.co.il to get some help there but it seems like the site is down.. and really down.. cuz i couldent get in there for something like 2 or 3 days.. Eli? Anyway, you (tizmoeye) needent bother. Grab the package 'fonts-hebrew-elmar' from your nearby mandrake mirror (it is partof the third CD) But if you have any windows partition, it is recommended to grab the hebrew fonts from there (at least Times New Romas, Arial and Courier New). You can do that either using drakfont, or by following the procedure described in the FAQ. You also have the font fixed, so at the moment you're not stuck without any hebrew font avilable. -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can't see Hebrew fonts in KDE 2.1.1
On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Max Kovgan wrote: this thing is covered by the instructions in hebrew kde2: besides what you did u need to choose the unicode encoding (10646-1), and choose fonts with this encoding (misc-fixed or clearyu) clearlyu is not very readable at the moment (some letters look too much like others). misc-fixed may be ugly (espcially when scaled) but it is certainly readable. u better add hebrew fonts - truetype and others e.g. tahoma fonts, elmar fonts. Not all fonts come with a unicode encoding. And not all of those come with the hebrew glyphs. Tahoma is one of the true-type fonts of microsoft (it really is of microsoft: 'microsoft' is listed there as the font foundery, IIRC). Arial is another good sans-serif font. There are some versions of lucida sans with hebrew glyphs, IIRC. (Times New Roman will also do, but is less of a good choice for screen display). For fixed-width fonts you can use either misc-fixed (try to pick a size where it is not scaled: where all the lines are straight). Orther fonts are Courier New and Lucida Console. The elmar fonts, and the Type1 fonts from IBM are not unicode fonts and can not be used for the user interface of KDE2. [misc-fixed and ClearlyU come with XFree. Elmar's fonts are freely distributable and also come with Mandrake. All the other fonts I mentioned are fonts that are not freely distributable. Most of them can be probably fetched from a near-by windows installation. Arial, Times New Roman and Courier New can also be downloaded from http://microsoft.com/typography ] -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can't see Hebrew fonts in KDE 2.1.1
With all of the hebrew hacks around and qt3 out is there a way to edit mixed english and hebrew html in vim with a konsole? Or do I need to reboot to my windows partition each time I want to edit hebrew html. Maybe a html editor with hebrew support? Does anyone have the recepie for this one? Lior. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can't see Hebrew fonts in KDE 2.1.1
On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Lior Kesos wrote: With all of the hebrew hacks around and qt3 out is there a way to edit mixed english and hebrew html in vim with a konsole? What hebrew exactly? You probably refer to some sort of ISO-8859-8-encoded hebrew (with or without -i, , or windows-1255, which is almost the same). Any particular reason you don't use gvim? gvim -fn heb8x13 Alternatively: rxvt -fn heb8x13 -e vim or whatever... If you don't insist on konsole , and stick with a simpler terminal emulation, then you generally won't have much problems. konsole works with unicode innternally, and therefore you not only have to get the font right, but also the input encoding. BTW: xterm, when run with -u8, also works with unicode internally. However, if you use the i18n patch (this is the default with Mandrake 8.1, and the cause for the frequent crashes of xterm there...) you can use the option -l and then you will work with your original 8bit encoding. Or do I need to reboot to my windows partition each time I want to edit hebrew html. Maybe a html editor with hebrew support? What do you consider as Hebrew support? Curren hebrew html editing features of vim: * html syntax hilighting [big deal...] * support for editing visual hebrew text [just in case you still need it] * internal hebrew keymapping [This on is almost a must when you work with vim: sure you can use X's keyboard mapping, but then you always have to switch to english to type commands] * sort-of logical hebrew support: you can reverse the whole display However, just about any text editor would do. You can always use X11's keymapping (or the console's keymapping, or whatever) And any decent X11 editor allows you to setup its font. Try running any QT2-based program under biditext. Is there any QT-based HTML editor that does not use KDE's configuration for input encoding? -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can't see Hebrew fonts in KDE 2.1.1
Played with it and got to a stage I can see the mixed fonts althoug they're all idented to the right. The wierd thing is that printing hebrew with -H is only possible with no vimrc file. The minute I use my default or even the hebrew enhanced .vimrc it appears to lose it's ability to print hebrew. Any ideas? Lior. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can't see Hebrew fonts in KDE 2.1.1
On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Lior Kesos wrote: Played with it and got to a stage I can see the mixed fonts althoug they're all idented to the right. The wierd thing is that printing hebrew with -H is only possible with no vimrc file. The minute I use my default or even the hebrew enhanced .vimrc it appears to lose it's ability to print hebrew. Any ideas? :h hebrew My current macros are: if has(rightleft) toggle both direction and hebrew keyboard mapping this is useful for logical-order hebrew editing map F9 :set invrlCR:set invhkCR do it when in insert mode as well (and return to insert mode) imap F9 Esc:set invrlCR:set invhkCRa toggle both reverse insertion and hebrew keyboard mapping this is useful for visual-order hebrew editing map F10 :set invrevinsCR:set invhkCR do it when in insert mode as well (and return to insert mode) imap F10 Esc:set invrevinsCR:set invhkCRa imap F10 C-_ toggle comand line language cmap S-F9 C-_ toggale language and add at EOL map C-F9 :set invrlCR:set invhkCR do it when in insert mode as well (and return to insert mode) imap C-F9 Esc:set invrlCR:set invhkCRA endif -- Tzafrir Cohen/\ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]\ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign Taub 229, 04-829-3942 X Against HTML Mail http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir / \ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cannot see hebrew fonts in abiword
On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 08:10:14PM +0300, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Itai Arad wrote: Hi List, I am trying (realy hard) to get bidi-abiword work on my Mandrake 8.0 linux. So I compiled abiword-0.7.14-2 (with bidi enabled) and installed it just as they say you should. HOWEVER: I cannot get the hebrew to work!! I wish to work with *unicode* hebrew. So I this is what I did: 1. Modified XF86Config-4 file so it would have hebrew keymap (according to the instructions in IGLU) 2. Defined LANG=he_IL.UTF-8 3. Copied some ttf fonts from Window (Arial + Courier New) I suggest that you also get Times New Roman OK, I'll give it a try. to the AbiSuite/font directory and added only the iso-10646-1 entries to the fonts.dir, fonts.scale files How have you created the entries for them? Does ttmkfdir extract iso10646-1 encodings as well? Well in Mandrake 8.0 you have the option to import the window fonts. The fonts are copied to /usr/lib/X11/fonts/drakefont and a fonts.dir file is created by the some script. This file also include iso10646-1 entries. I think that in the previous version (7.2) these entries were not created. Anyhow, that's where I took the entries from. Now when I run abiword I can use these ttf fonts only in english. When I pass to hebrew (pressing left-shfit + right-shift), I get some undifined symbols on the screen. However, the BiDi mechanisem seems to work well - that is, the direction of writing changes as it should. I think it actually idetifies the hebrew letters becuase when I save the file as utf8, and browse it in an utf-8 enabled xterm - I see just what I wrote. However, I cannot see it on the screen... btw: the utf8 enabled xterm works just fine, and shows the hebrew letters (*) I also tried to put the ttf fonts in a UTF-8 subdirectory under AbiSuite/fonts (If I understood the vauge instructions of abiword) - but then abiword did not recognize them... It needs to be in a spesific subdirectory: he-IL.UTF-8 . Note the - instead of _. Yes, well I tried that and it didn't work. Actually if I put it there, abiword does not even load them. Actually, I suggest that this directory will be a symlink to a directory that X uses (either idrectly or indirectly through xfs). Maybe try removing all the fonts from the main directory, to prevent name clashes: Maybe it already has another Arial. There is no clash. If you have two fonts with the same name, they will both appear in the list. It is also easy to identify which font is beeing used since the ttf fonts are much nicer than those supplied by abiword. -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir thanks, Itai. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cannot see hebrew fonts in abiword
On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Itai Arad wrote: On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 08:10:14PM +0300, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Itai Arad wrote: Hi List, I am trying (realy hard) to get bidi-abiword work on my Mandrake 8.0 linux. So I compiled abiword-0.7.14-2 (with bidi enabled) and installed it just as they say you should. HOWEVER: I cannot get the hebrew to work!! I wish to work with *unicode* hebrew. So I this is what I did: 1. Modified XF86Config-4 file so it would have hebrew keymap (according to the instructions in IGLU) 2. Defined LANG=he_IL.UTF-8 3. Copied some ttf fonts from Window (Arial + Courier New) I suggest that you also get Times New Roman OK, I'll give it a try. to the AbiSuite/font directory and added only the iso-10646-1 entries to the fonts.dir, fonts.scale files How have you created the entries for them? Does ttmkfdir extract iso10646-1 encodings as well? Well in Mandrake 8.0 you have the option to import the window fonts. The fonts are copied to /usr/lib/X11/fonts/drakefont and a fonts.dir file is created by the some script. This file also include iso10646-1 entries. I think that in the previous version (7.2) these entries were not created. Anyhow, that's where I took the entries from. How exactly did you create fonts.dir for that directory? Did you put aas a first line a count of all the other lines? Now when I run abiword I can use these ttf fonts only in english. When I pass to hebrew (pressing left-shfit + right-shift), I get some undifined symbols on the screen. However, the BiDi mechanisem seems to work well - that is, the direction of writing changes as it should. I think it actually idetifies the hebrew letters becuase whenI save the file as utf8, and browse it in an utf-8 enabled xterm - I see just what I wrote. However, I cannot see it on the screen... btw: the utf8 enabled xterm works just fine, and shows the hebrew letters (*) I also tried to put the ttf fonts in a UTF-8 subdirectory under AbiSuite/fonts (If I understood the vauge instructions of abiword) - but then abiword did not recognize them... It needs to be in a spesific subdirectory: he-IL.UTF-8 . Note the - instead of _. Yes, well I tried that and it didn't work. Actually if I put it there, abiword does not even load them. Then maybe the problem is indeed with your fonts.dir file? Actually, I suggest that this directory will be a symlink to a directory that X uses (either idrectly or indirectly through xfs). Maybe try removing all the fonts from the main directory, to prevent name clashes: Maybe it already has another Arial. There is no clash. If you have two fonts with the same name, they will both appear in the list. It is also easy to identify which font is beeing used since the ttf fonts are much nicer than those supplied by abiword. I'll stick to this suggestion if things don't work well. Create a directory with arial*.ttf, times*.ttf and cour*.ttf from your drakfont dir. Use ttmkfdir to create there a fonts.dir file. If ttmkfdir does not create lines for iso10646-1, then use something like: ttmkfdir | sed -e 's/-iso8859-9$/-iso10646-1/' fonts.dir Link that directory as he-IL.UTF-8 Also, if that doesn't work, try working with an ISO-8859-8 locale (and link the same directory as he-il-ISO-8859-8) -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cannot see hebrew fonts in abiword
Hi List, I am trying (realy hard) to get bidi-abiword work on my Mandrake 8.0 linux. So I compiled abiword-0.7.14-2 (with bidi enabled) and installed it just as they say you should. HOWEVER: I cannot get the hebrew to work!! I wish to work with *unicode* hebrew. So I this is what I did: 1. Modified XF86Config-4 file so it would have hebrew keymap (according to the instructions in IGLU) 2. Defined LANG=he_IL.UTF-8 3. Copied some ttf fonts from Window (Arial + Courier New) to the AbiSuite/font directory and added only the iso-10646-1 entries to the fonts.dir, fonts.scale files Now when I run abiword I can use these ttf fonts only in english. When I pass to hebrew (pressing left-shfit + right-shift), I get some undifined symbols on the screen. However, the BiDi mechanisem seems to work well - that is, the direction of writing changes as it should. I think it actually idetifies the hebrew letters becuase when I save the file as utf8, and browse it in an utf-8 enabled xterm - I see just what I wrote. However, I cannot see it on the screen... btw: the utf8 enabled xterm works just fine, and shows the hebrew letters (*) I also tried to put the ttf fonts in a UTF-8 subdirectory under AbiSuite/fonts (If I understood the vauge instructions of abiword) - but then abiword did not recognize them... Any suggestions? Thanks, Itai. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cannot see hebrew fonts in abiword
On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Itai Arad wrote: Hi List, I am trying (realy hard) to get bidi-abiword work on my Mandrake 8.0 linux. So I compiled abiword-0.7.14-2 (with bidi enabled) and installed it just as they say you should. HOWEVER: I cannot get the hebrew to work!! I wish to work with *unicode* hebrew. So I this is what I did: 1. Modified XF86Config-4 file so it would have hebrew keymap (according to the instructions in IGLU) 2. Defined LANG=he_IL.UTF-8 3. Copied some ttf fonts from Window (Arial + Courier New) I suggest that you also get Times New Roman to the AbiSuite/font directory and added only the iso-10646-1 entries to the fonts.dir, fonts.scale files How have you created the entries for them? Does ttmkfdir extract iso10646-1 encodings as well? Now when I run abiword I can use these ttf fonts only in english. When I pass to hebrew (pressing left-shfit + right-shift), I get some undifined symbols on the screen. However, the BiDi mechanisem seems to work well - that is, the direction of writing changes as it should. I think it actually idetifies the hebrew letters becuase when I save the file as utf8, and browse it in an utf-8 enabled xterm - I see just what I wrote. However, I cannot see it on the screen... btw: the utf8 enabled xterm works just fine, and shows the hebrew letters (*) I also tried to put the ttf fonts in a UTF-8 subdirectory under AbiSuite/fonts (If I understood the vauge instructions of abiword) - but then abiword did not recognize them... It needs to be in a spesific subdirectory: he-IL.UTF-8 . Note the - instead of _. Actually, I suggest that this directory will be a symlink to a directory that X uses (either idrectly or indirectly through xfs). Maybe try removing all the fonts from the main directory, to prevent name clashes: Maybe it already has another Arial. -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: console hebrew fonts.
Hi On Sun, 17 Sep 2000, Tizmo wrote: hi, i am trying to use hebrew fonts in console. i am using mandrake 7.1. i saw in the site the command: consolechars --tty $tty -f iso08.f16-m iso08 -u iso08 ^^ (a missing space) Actually mandrake's init scripts *should* have already done this (in /sbin/setsysfont called from /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit , on my Mandrake 7.0 system here). I guess some work is still needed. i use that command.. and it worked but not all the way.. after i use this command i can use hebrew chars in console but i see it all from the end to the beginning... something like, if i type: "tizmo" i'll see in the prompt: "omzit". someone can please help me and tell me how can i fix it ? Hmmm... As you probably know, those wierd greeks decided (when they copied the alpeh-bet) that it should be written from left to right, and not the other way around. Since most of the world agrees with them -- your computer shows Hebrew text "reflected". One spesific program that handles this for the console is acon (Arab CONsole). Get the rpm package from Mandrake (version = 1.04, currently on cooker, and on 7.2 beta) which contains support for Hebrew that the author did not want to accept . and another thing.. i also like to use BitchX with the hebrew fonts.. if someone can help.. please do. Is BitchX a terminal program (can run in the console or in an xterm) ? In this case - All you have to do is set the font of the console or the xterm window. If it is an X app - it surely has a way to set up fonts (maybe look in the man page for an "-fn" switch or something similar). -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
console hebrew fonts.
hi, i am trying to use hebrew fonts in console. i am using mandrake 7.1. i saw in the site the command: consolechars --tty $tty -f iso08.f16 -m iso08 -u iso08 i use that command.. and it worked but not all the way.. after i use this command i can use hebrew chars in console but i see it all from the end to the beginning... something like, if i type: "tizmo" i'll see in the prompt: "omzit". someone can please help me and tell me how can i fix it ? and another thing.. i also like to use BitchX with the hebrew fonts.. if someone can help.. please do. thanks, Tizmo.
hebrew fonts rpm
Hi all.. i tring to download hebrew "elmar" fonts rpm, but it can't contact it.. can anyone send me the rpm? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hebrew fonts rpm
Hi On Sat, 19 Aug 2000, Pavel Bibergal wrote: Hi all.. i tring to download hebrew "elmar" fonts rpm, but it can't contact it.. It is once again availble as of yesterday. See links from: http://linux.org.il/pub/Hebrew/00INDEX.html#hebfonts -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hebrew fonts rpm
"Tzafrir" == Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tzafrir Hi On Sat, 19 Aug 2000, Pavel Bibergal wrote: Hi all.. i tring to download hebrew "elmar" fonts rpm, but it can't contact it.. Tzafrir It is once again availble as of yesterday. Tzafrir See links from: Tzafrir http://linux.org.il/pub/Hebrew/00INDEX.html#hebfonts When I try the above URL, I get: While trying to retrieve the URL: http://linux.org.il/pub/Hebrew/00INDEX.html The following error was encountered: Connection Failed The system returned: (111) Connection refused The remote host or network may be down. Please try the request again. -- The day is short, and the work is great, | Aharon Schkolnik and the laborers are lazy, and the reward| [EMAIL PROTECTED] is great, and the Master of the house is | +972 2 670 6955 impatient. - Ethics Of The Fathers Ch. 2 | = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew fonts.
Hi, Ilya! On Sun, Jul 30, 2000 at 04:39:08AM +0300, you wrote the following: Generally if you use redhat/mandrake (=6.0) then adding another directory to the font path of the X fonts server (which supports TTFs as well) is quite easy: Just a tip from my experience lately with Debian (it's great - I'm converted from Redhat). The 'xfstt' package doesn't recognize any other encodings by itself, though it generates the fonts.dir for itself (no special utility needed). The 'xfs-xtt' package is what Redhat provides, and it works like a charm, but before you look around it's manuals trying to find what generates the fonts.dir, go and find 'ttmkfdir'. I'm now using xfs-xtt. Funny, because this Friday I also moved from xfstt to xfs-xtt. :-) Anyway, my quest was to eradicate the problem of extremely small fonts in the browser for some sites (such as CNN). I tried moving to 100 DPI fonts, but they are way too big. The solution was to keep using 75 DPI fonts by default (with the 100 DPI fonts still on the fontpath), and adding "-dpi 100" to the X command line (in gdm.conf in my case). I don't know *how* it works, but all the fonts in all the applications remained the same size, except the fonts in Netscape which became bigger for sites that set them small (remaining *normal* for other sites; it all really is very weird). I'd love to hear other horror stories about your attempts to tame Netscape and how you eventually succeeded to make it do what you want. -- Alex Shnitman| http://www.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] +--- http://alexsh.hectic.netUIN 188956PGP key on web page E1 F2 7B 6C A0 31 80 28 63 B8 02 BA 65 C7 8B BA Minds are like parachutes... they work best when open. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hebrew fonts.
Hi list. i recently installed the Netscape fonts that was published in the Hebrew-HOWTO. I installed it and now i can finally read Hebrew (in most places). However, the font themselves are quit , to be honest, ugly and tiny. (only 10 or 12). My question is whether anyone knows of a nice simple program to create and modified fonts for Linux. A manual will be most helpful also. Thanks, Mike = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew fonts.
Use true type fonts u can take them from hebrew windows Mike Almogy wrote: Hi list. i recently installed the Netscape fonts that was published in the Hebrew-HOWTO. I installed it and now i can finally read Hebrew (in most places). However, the font themselves are quit , to be honest, ugly and tiny. (only 10 or 12). My question is whether anyone knows of a nice simple program to create and modified fonts for Linux. A manual will be most helpful also. Thanks, Mike = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew fonts.
On Sat, 29 Jul 2000, Pavel Bibergal wrote: Use true type fonts u can take them from hebrew windows HOW ??? I mean, It's not working like it does with the regular font (mkfontdir + xset...). I just don't see it in the netscape fonts preferences. TIA Ishai. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew fonts.
Hi On Sat, 29 Jul 2000, Ishai Parasol wrote: On Sat, 29 Jul 2000, Pavel Bibergal wrote: Use true type fonts u can take them from hebrew windows HOW ??? I mean, It's not working like it does with the regular font (mkfontdir + xset...). I just don't see it in the netscape fonts http://www.iglu.org.il/faq/cache/55.html should give you a start, though it is a bit messy. Generally if you use redhat/mandrake (=6.0) then adding another directory to the font path of the X fonts server (which supports TTFs as well) is quite easy: chkfontpath --add the_fonts_directory If this directory contains TTFs you should use ttmkfdir to create fonts.dir If you have XFree 4 - it should have its own fonts server (actually - two of them) that supports TTFs. Never tried configuring it, though. If not - you can install xfstt . From what I heard there were some issues regarding iso-8859-8 fonts with ity with versions prior to 1.1, but version 1.1 should have no probelms. And anyway - you can also install somne other fonts, such as Eli Marmor's Hebrew Type1 fonts (see the links in the faq page). -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
