Re: OpenGL and XFree86

[stayler]

On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 23:45:31 -0500, Douglas J Hunley wrote:

>the most recents xfree86's come with Mesa (an OpenGL "clone"). it should just 
>work

Thanks Doug.

Maybe what I need is the MesaLibs?  Are the GL Libs or Mesa Libs a
separate package?

stayler

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XFree86-4.2.0 released!

[Net Llama]

http://www.xfree86.org/cvs/changes_4_2.html
ftp://ftp.xfree86.org/pub/XFree86/4.2.0/

Its out.  Anyone yet attempted to build/install the massive download yet
(either binary or source)?  

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[submission] proftpd.conf example

[Chang]

Just in case someone is interested.
I configured proftpd with:

./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var

The example config allow unlimited anonymous upload 
and 3 anonymous download, with download locked at 
2 kb/s. So, uploader can always login as a result.

the anonymous account is linked to a real user account
ftp (shell /bin/false). The direcotries /home/ftp and
/home/ftpdown must have owner ftp:ftp

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ServerName  "Anonymous Server"
ServerType  standalone

# Port 21 is the standard FTP port.
Port21

# If you don't want normal users logging in at all, uncomment this
# next section

  DenyAll


# Set the user and group that the server normally runs at.
Usernobody
Group   nogroup

MaxInstances10

# Set the maximum number of seconds a data connection is allowed
# to "stall" before being aborted.
TimeoutStalled  300

UseFtpUsers off
RootLogin   off
# you may want to have a separate file
#AuthUserFile   /etc/proftpd-passwd


  Umask 022


# We want 'welcome.msg' displayed at login, and '.message' displayed
# in each newly chdired directory.
DisplayLoginwelcome.msg
DisplayFirstChdir   .message

# for downloading, ftp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

  
AllowAll
  
  UserAlias download ftp
# UserPassword  download cli-crypt("password")
# AnonRequirePassword   on
  RequireValidShell off
  MaxClients3 "550 Too Many Users (Limit=%m)"
  User  ftp
  Group ftp
  RateReadBPS   2
  
DenyAll
  


# for uploading ftp://111.222.333.444

  
AllowAll
  
  UserAlias anonymous ftp
  User  ftp
  Group ftp
  RequireValidShell off
  AllowStoreRestart on
  AllowOverwriteon
  AllowForeignAddress   on
  
AllowAll
  
  
DenyAll
  

Re: IHOP

[Tom Wilson]

Looks like the closest to me here in Cincy is in Indy.  If I don't get there 
sooner, I will have to make a stop off at one there when I go to see the 
Brickyard 400 in August.   

Maybe pay Kurt a visit since he is a Hoosier nowadays.  :-)

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Re: IHOP

[Tom Wilson]

On Saturday 19 January 2002 11 23:53 pm, Net Llama dropped these nuggets of 
information:
[mucho snippage]
>
> If you check out www.ihop.com you can find where they all are.  There
> are something like 30 IHOPs in the San Fran bay area.
>

Thanks!  I never even thought of doing a search on it.  I am there now

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Re: IHOP

[Net Llama]

--- Tom Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Saturday 19 January 2002 10 22:45 pm, Net Llama dropped these
> nuggets of 
> information:
> >
> > Yea, my wife truly had an intense passion for IHOPs as well.  We
> figured
> > out that the nearest one to Pittsburgh was somewhere in northern
> > Virginia, followed by one near Detroit, MI.
> > Now that we've moved to California there are IHOPs all over the
> place,
> > including 1 less than a mile from where we live.  She's quite happy.
> 
> An IHOP less that a mile, you all are lucky.  I think there used to be
> one in 
> Northern Kentucky, maybe closer to Lexington, a long time ago.  I seem
> to 
> remember passing it on our way to Florida on vacation as a kid.  Its
> long 
> gone though.   
> 
> I spied one in Tennessee on one of our many trips to the Smokies in
> the last 
> couple of years though we have never stopped at it.  Next time we go,
> I have 
> to stop.  

If you check out www.ihop.com you can find where they all are.  There
are something like 30 IHOPs in the San Fran bay area.

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Re: OpenGL and XFree86

[Douglas J Hunley]

stayler babbled on about:
> Hi Guys,
>
> Would some of you have some insight into getting OpenGL to work with
> the standard Xfree servers?  I am looking for suggested resources
> online to effect this.  I'd like to not have to reboot into Windows to
> play a game from time to time

the most recents xfree86's come with Mesa (an OpenGL "clone"). it should just 
work
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Re: Open Invitation

[Douglas J Hunley]

Collins Richey babbled on about:
> Same applies here, if anyone is coming through Denver.  I'm in the phone
> book (no the listing is not under trolls!).

I'm not in the phone book, but send me an email and we'll worj it all out
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Re: Open Invitation

[Douglas J Hunley]

Net Llama babbled on about:
> If only you had made that offer a year ago  ;)

well, I would have if I'd a thought of it ;(

if you ever *do* make it this way...
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Re: Open Invitation

[Douglas J Hunley]

Bruce Marshall babbled on about:
> I get down that way quite often (from upper MI) visiting friends over in
> Newark.  Just might take you up on that.

please do. I have relatives in newark and it's only like 30 minutes away
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Re: (no subject)

[Tom Wilson]

On Saturday 19 January 2002 10 22:45 pm, Net Llama dropped these nuggets of 
information:
>
> Yea, my wife truly had an intense passion for IHOPs as well.  We figured
> out that the nearest one to Pittsburgh was somewhere in northern
> Virginia, followed by one near Detroit, MI.
> Now that we've moved to California there are IHOPs all over the place,
> including 1 less than a mile from where we live.  She's quite happy.

An IHOP less that a mile, you all are lucky.  I think there used to be one in 
Northern Kentucky, maybe closer to Lexington, a long time ago.  I seem to 
remember passing it on our way to Florida on vacation as a kid.  Its long 
gone though.   

I spied one in Tennessee on one of our many trips to the Smokies in the last 
couple of years though we have never stopped at it.  Next time we go, I have 
to stop.  

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Re: Open Invitation

[Tom Wilson]

On Saturday 19 January 2002  8 20:08 pm, Douglas J Hunley dropped these 
nuggets of information:
> I'd like to extend an open invitation to all members of this list:
> If you are ever passing through Columbus, OH, please feel free to look me
> up. We'll do a meal somewhere, and shoot the breeze.
> It was so nice to put a face with an online persona, that I'd really like
> to start meeting more of you guys (and gals).
> Simply let me know, and we'll arrange something.

On my next trip up north through Columbus, I will make it a point.  And feel 
free to look me up if you pass through Cincinnati.  That goes for anyone.  
Though you may want to contact me through e-mail first if you do 'cause I 
think there are quite a few William Thomas' in the local phone book.  

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OpenGL and XFree86

[stayler]

Hi Guys,

Would some of you have some insight into getting OpenGL to work with
the standard Xfree servers?  I am looking for suggested resources
online to effect this.  I'd like to not have to reboot into Windows to
play a game from time to time

stayler

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RE: Re: AMR Modems

[Net Llama]

The short answer is you're screwed.  As someone else already mentioned,
AMR modems are less entitled to call themselves modems than the infamous
Winmodems were.  They're basically nothing more than about a US$0.90
RJ45 connector. It completely relies on software & the mobo to do all
the work. The thing that you see listed below isn't even the modem
(technically).  Its the onboard controller that does the work.  
At any rate, this page is the official resource for modems under Linux.
http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/20020118a.html

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Lonni,
> 
> Ok, here it is:
> 00:07.6 Communication controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. AC97 Modem
> Controller (rev 30)
> Subsystem: VIA Technologies, Inc. AC97 Modem Controller
> Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 3
> I/O ports at dc00 [size=256]
> Capabilities: [d0] Power Management version 2

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Re: Open Invitation

[Net Llama]

--- Douglas J Hunley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd like to extend an open invitation to all members of this list:
> If you are ever passing through Columbus, OH, please feel free to look
> me up. 
> We'll do a meal somewhere, and shoot the breeze.
> It was so nice to put a face with an online persona, that I'd really
> like to 
> start meeting more of you guys (and gals).
> Simply let me know, and we'll arrange something.

If only you had made that offer a year ago  ;)

Right now, I don't have any plans to come anywhere near Ohio again.

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Re: (no subject)

[Net Llama]

--- Tom Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Saturday 19 January 2002  3 15:15 pm, Douglas J Hunley dropped
> these 
> nuggets of information:
> > Tom Wilson babbled on about:
> > > Will you be having you hash browns smothered, covered, scattered,
> and
> > > diced?
> >
> > kurt didn't have any actually. I had scattered, covered, chunked.
> 
> Ah yes.  Very nice.  I truly enjoy the Waffle House.  It has been some
> time 
> though since I have dined there.  
> 
> I also enjoy, when on trips down south, a breakfast at IHOP.  Too bad
> there 
> aren't any in this wonderful state of Ohio.  (None that I have seen
> anyway).

Yea, my wife truly had an intense passion for IHOPs as well.  We figured
out that the nearest one to Pittsburgh was somewhere in northern
Virginia, followed by one near Detroit, MI.  
Now that we've moved to California there are IHOPs all over the place,
including 1 less than a mile from where we live.  She's quite happy.

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Re: wierd response

[David A. Bandel]

On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:03:04 +1000
Keith Antoine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed into the bitstream:

> 
> I have ext2 on my $HOME partition and did a:
> 
> kantoine@linux:~> su
> Password:
> linux:/home/kantoine # tune2fs -j /dev/hda10
> tune2fs 1.24a (02-Sep-2001)
> Creating journal inode:
> tune2fs: Permission denied
> while trying to create journal file
> 
> Whats this as I was in ROOT at the time not sued...
> 

You have a slight problem with the root partition.  You can't change it to
ext3 while it's mounted (not even read-only), and you can't unmount it. 
You'll find you can't even change the kind of ext3 mount it is (ordered,
journaling, writeback) once the kernel mounts it.  Don't even try, you run
the risk of damaging your filesystem.  Easiest way is to boot to root on
another (spare) partition, change the old /, then reboot to the original
/.

Ciao,

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Re: (no subject)

[Tom Wilson]

On Saturday 19 January 2002  8 20:07 pm, Douglas J Hunley dropped these 
nuggets of information:
> Tom Wilson babbled on about:
> > I also enjoy, when on trips down south, a breakfast at IHOP.  Too bad
> > there aren't any in this wonderful state of Ohio.  (None that I have seen
> > anyway).
>
> where in Ohio are you?

That fine little burg know as CIncinnati.  

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Re: wierd response

[Peter Ruskin]

On Sunday 20 Jan 2002 01:03, Keith Antoine wrote:
> I have ext2 on my $HOME partition and did a:
>
> kantoine@linux:~> su
> Password:
> linux:/home/kantoine # tune2fs -j /dev/hda10
> tune2fs 1.24a (02-Sep-2001)
> Creating journal inode:
> tune2fs: Permission denied
> while trying to create journal file
>
> Whats this as I was in ROOT at the time not sued...
>
> I also had purchased Acronis, as mentioned in this list by someone as
> it recognises Ext3 and partition magic doesn't. I had resized /usr an
> ext3 partition and added the extra to /home.

Keith, you can convert between ext2 and ext3, either way, in Acronis.  
That's how I did it.  I never used tune2fs.
>
> All other partitons that were labelled ext2 in /etc/fstab all reported
> that they already had a journal file.

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Re: Open Invitation

[Collins Richey]

On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:08:50 -0500
Douglas J Hunley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'd like to extend an open invitation to all members of this list:
> If you are ever passing through Columbus, OH, please feel free to look
> me up. We'll do a meal somewhere, and shoot the breeze.
> It was so nice to put a face with an online persona, that I'd really
> like to start meeting more of you guys (and gals).
> Simply let me know, and we'll arrange something.

Same applies here, if anyone is coming through Denver.  I'm in the phone
book (no the listing is not under trolls!).

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Re: new Linux kernel

[Collins Richey]

On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:04:06 -0500
Douglas J Hunley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sys Admin babbled on about:
> > After 2.4.17
> > 29 days, Marcelo seems to have released Please
> 
> ignore this. marcelo hasn't released anything. finger @kernel.org
> changed. sorry

FYI, gentoo has released their version of 2.4.18-pre3 with a lot of
performance patches, including something like 30x I/O (sic) performance
improvement.  If anyone is interested check the archives of gentoo-user.

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Re: Open Invitation

[Bruce Marshall]

On Saturday 19 January 2002 20:08 pm, Douglas J Hunley wrote:
> I'd like to extend an open invitation to all members of this list:
> If you are ever passing through Columbus, OH, please feel free to look me
> up. We'll do a meal somewhere, and shoot the breeze.
> It was so nice to put a face with an online persona, that I'd really like
> to start meeting more of you guys (and gals).
> Simply let me know, and we'll arrange something.

I get down that way quite often (from upper MI) visiting friends over in 
Newark.  Just might take you up on that.

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Open Invitation

[Douglas J Hunley]

I'd like to extend an open invitation to all members of this list:
If you are ever passing through Columbus, OH, please feel free to look me up. 
We'll do a meal somewhere, and shoot the breeze.
It was so nice to put a face with an online persona, that I'd really like to 
start meeting more of you guys (and gals).
Simply let me know, and we'll arrange something.
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Re: (no subject)

[Douglas J Hunley]

Tom Wilson babbled on about:
> I also enjoy, when on trips down south, a breakfast at IHOP.  Too bad there
> aren't any in this wonderful state of Ohio.  (None that I have seen
> anyway).

where in Ohio are you?
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Re: new Linux kernel

[Douglas J Hunley]

Bruce Marshall babbled on about:
> On Saturday 19 January 2002 19:50 pm, Sys Admin wrote:
> > After 2.4.17
> > 29 days, Marcelo seems to have released Please
>
> Uhhh  could you clearify all after 'after'  ?

it was supposed to say after 29 days Marcelo released 2.4.18
but he didn't, and it didn't. in fact, finger @kernel.org changed, so I have 
to change my script
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Re: new Linux kernel

[Douglas J Hunley]

Sys Admin babbled on about:
> After 2.4.17
> 29 days, Marcelo seems to have released Please

ignore this. marcelo hasn't released anything. finger @kernel.org changed. 
sorry
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wierd response

[Keith Antoine]

I have ext2 on my $HOME partition and did a:

kantoine@linux:~> su
Password:
linux:/home/kantoine # tune2fs -j /dev/hda10
tune2fs 1.24a (02-Sep-2001)
Creating journal inode:
tune2fs: Permission denied
while trying to create journal file

Whats this as I was in ROOT at the time not sued...

I also had purchased Acronis, as mentioned in this list by someone as it 
recognises Ext3 and partition magic doesn't. I had resized /usr an ext3 
partition and added the extra to /home.

All other partitons that were labelled ext2 in /etc/fstab all reported that 
they already had a journal file.


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Should Aunt Tillie build her own kernels?

[Michael Hipp]

From: http://lwn.net/2002/0117/index.php3

Should Aunt Tillie build her own kernels?

Eric Raymond has been working for some time on a new kernel configuration
system which, someday, is slated for incorporation into the 2.5 series. This
project has seen its share of controversy over the last year, but, perhaps,
never at the level of the last week. What is the development that has set
off so many kernel hackers? It is an autoconfiguration module (implemented
initially by Giacomo Catenazzi) which figures out which hardware is present
on the system and cooks up a kernel configuration to match.

Eric has been working overtime to justify this work by way of an amusing set
of stories. For your amusement, here are the inspirational tales of Aunt
Tillie, her nephew Melvin ("Autoconfigure saves the day. Possibly it even
helps Melvin get laid"), and the 'girl geek' Penelope. Beyond the possible
improvement to hackers' love lives worldwide, the reasoning behind the work
is essentially this:

"Because the second we stop thinking about Aunt Tillie, we start making
excuses for badly-designed interfaces and excessive complexity. We tend to
fall back into insular, elitist assumptions that limit both the useability
of our software and its potential user population. We get lazy and stop
checking our assumptions. When we do this, Bill Gates laughs at us, and is
right to do so. "

There are reasons to question some of Eric's scenarios. Aunt Tillie is
almost certain to be happier with the kernel supplied by her distributor,
which includes numerous patches, has modules for an unbelievable variety of
hardware, and has been extensively tested. Building and running a kernel off
the net, even from a "stable" series, will never be without its potential
surprises.

But the hostility to the autoconfiguration idea seems to go beyond that.
Some people clearly do not want Aunt Tillie to be able to build a kernel
without learning about the process and understanding what hardware is on her
system. Some, perhaps, fear Aunt Tillie's inevitable "help me" message to
linux-kernel once the process fails. Others, perhaps, prefer a world where
only the Select Few are able to do certain things.

That latter view was often seen in arguments against the desktop projects a
few years ago, though it seems to have faded away in recent times. But
perhaps kernel hackers ("girl geeks" included) remain a more hairy-chested
bunch. If Aunt Tillie can build her own kernels, that's one less thing that
sets them, and their skills, apart.

Linux hackers in general have managed to get over this attitude in general,
and that has been an unmitigated good thing. It has been repeatedly shown
that Linux can be made easier to use without taking away the power
appreciated by more advanced users. And an easier Linux, among other things,
helps to ensure that the advanced users can work with Linux in the office as
well as at home.
So there is no harm in the creation of an autoconfiguration system for the
Linux kernel, as long as nobody is forced to use it. Even if it does not
really solve Aunt Tillie's problems, there will certainly be a class of
users that is helped by easier kernel configuration. It may even turn out
that some of those kernel hackers end up using it to quickly configure and
build a kernel for a strange system - when nobody is looking, of course.

(See also: Aunt Tillie's web site, hosted at her very own aunt-tillie.org
domain - thanks to Nicolas Pitre).


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Re: new Linux kernel

[Bruce Marshall]

On Saturday 19 January 2002 19:50 pm, Sys Admin wrote:
> After 2.4.17
> 29 days, Marcelo seems to have released Please

Uhhh  could you clearify all after 'after'  ?


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new Linux kernel

[Sys Admin]

After 2.4.17
29 days, Marcelo seems to have released Please
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Re: Large cracks in the Windoze, a fud warning.

[Burns MacDonald]

Bruce spake:

>
> I don't recall ever seeing a 'wave' of 'munchkins' (the name given to MS
> trolls).  They are usually more subtle than that.  But at some point in
some
> forum there probably was a wave.
>

I certainly do. Almost immediately following Ballmer's address in which he
declared war on Linux, a barrage of FUD was launched. Coincident with that,
this list and a number of others were visited by several clear and
persistent trolls. The timing was close enough to be near synchronous. Was
it planned and implemented by MS themselves, or just a bunch of over-zealous
MS fans wanting to jump on Ballmer's bandwagon and "help out"?... we don't
know and probably we will never know for sure. But I wouldn't put it past
them after seeing in leaked emails and memos some of the sophmoric and
brainless things their middle management is capable of.


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RE: Re: AMR Modems

[kbb0927]

Dave,

Thanks, I've tried that and it initializes the modem but never dials
before it fails.

Regards,

Keith B.

Dave Anselmi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>
>> 00:07.6 Communication controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. AC97 Modem Controller (rev 
>30)
>> Subsystem: VIA Technologies, Inc. AC97 Modem Controller
>> Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 3
>> I/O ports at dc00 [size=256]
>> Capabilities: [d0] Power Management version 2
>
>This would be the modem.  I had thought that AMR modems were worse than Winmodems - 
>there is practically no
>hardware on the AMR board so everything is being done on the motherboard.  But I 
>could be wrong, the mobo hardware
>may be Winmodem and it may be something better.
>
>In any case, I have a PCI internal modem.  It looks like the above in /proc/pci, so 
>you can try using the IRQ and
>I/O port with setserial to attach a ttyS? to it.  Check the manpage, but it's 
>something like:
>
>setserial port dc00 irq 3 [other options as needed] ttyS2
>
>Dave
>
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Re: AMR Modems

[Dave Anselmi]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[...]


> 00:07.6 Communication controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. AC97 Modem Controller (rev 
>30)
> Subsystem: VIA Technologies, Inc. AC97 Modem Controller
> Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 3
> I/O ports at dc00 [size=256]
> Capabilities: [d0] Power Management version 2

This would be the modem.  I had thought that AMR modems were worse than Winmodems - 
there is practically no
hardware on the AMR board so everything is being done on the motherboard.  But I could 
be wrong, the mobo hardware
may be Winmodem and it may be something better.

In any case, I have a PCI internal modem.  It looks like the above in /proc/pci, so 
you can try using the IRQ and
I/O port with setserial to attach a ttyS? to it.  Check the manpage, but it's 
something like:

setserial port dc00 irq 3 [other options as needed] ttyS2

Dave


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Re: AMR Modems

[Keith Antoine]

On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 22:13,[EMAIL PROTECTED] scribed:
> I recently changed motherboards in my pc to move up to a Celeron 850 and
> 100 Mhz bus.  What a difference!!  This mobo had an AMR modem slot which
> I put an AMR modem in it. I previously had an ActionTec modem that worked
> well under Linux, but since I have cable connection, it's been months
> since I have used a modem.  Does anyone have any good sites or advice
> about these modems? It is a winmodem? The mobo manual does not discuss
> or indicate any drivers. The mobo manufacturer website does not mention
> any needed drivers.  The mobo is a Jetway 694TAS ATX board. There is no
> onboard sound, no onboard lan, no onboard video. It is a AGP in which I
> have an nVidia TNT2 m64 video card. Everything works flawlessly, but this
> AMR modem won't respond. It is seen and kinternet(Suse 7.3 Pro) tries to
> dial it, but fails. Any clues?  I have setserial based on the output of
> cat /proc/pci.  Oh yes, it is a PCI modem.

Umm, I have had boards with this feature, MSI, Soltek and this Epox. AFAIC
they are not actually a pci at all but a work around by the manufacturers.
They sold as part of a board addon and also the software is part of the 
manufacturers supplied CD, just like the sound AC97. I would suggest that you 
will have buckleys chance of getting it to work with any linux distro as 
there are no linux drivers out there. Not only that they also rely on parts 
of the main board, the supplied card is less than a 1/4 the size of a pci 
card; the slot being about 3cm long too.


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18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161
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Re: (no subject)

[Tom Wilson]

On Saturday 19 January 2002  3 15:15 pm, Douglas J Hunley dropped these 
nuggets of information:
> Tom Wilson babbled on about:
> > Will you be having you hash browns smothered, covered, scattered, and
> > diced?
>
> kurt didn't have any actually. I had scattered, covered, chunked.

Ah yes.  Very nice.  I truly enjoy the Waffle House.  It has been some time 
though since I have dined there.  

I also enjoy, when on trips down south, a breakfast at IHOP.  Too bad there 
aren't any in this wonderful state of Ohio.  (None that I have seen anyway).

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RE: Re: AMR Modems

[kbb0927]

Lonni,

Ok, here it is:

00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C693A/694x [Apollo PRO133x] (rev c4)
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 8
Memory at d000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=64M]
Capabilities: [a0] AGP version 2.0
Capabilities: [c0] Power Management version 2

00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C598/694x [Apollo MVP3/Pro133x AGP] 
(prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, medium devsel, latency 0
Bus: primary=00, secondary=01, subordinate=01, sec-latency=0
Memory behind bridge: d600-d7ff
Prefetchable memory behind bridge: d400-d5ff
Capabilities: [80] Power Management version 2

00:07.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super South] (rev 40)
Subsystem: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686/A PCI to ISA Bridge
Flags: bus master, stepping, medium devsel, latency 0
Capabilities: [c0] Power Management version 2

00:07.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. Bus Master IDE (rev 06) (prog-if 8a 
[Master SecP PriP])
Subsystem: VIA Technologies, Inc. Bus Master IDE
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32
I/O ports at d000 [size=16]
Capabilities: [c0] Power Management version 2

00:07.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. UHCI USB (rev 1a) (prog-if 00 [UHCI])
Subsystem: Unknown device 0925:1234
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 11
I/O ports at d400 [size=32]
Capabilities: [80] Power Management version 2

00:07.3 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. UHCI USB (rev 1a) (prog-if 00 [UHCI])
Subsystem: Unknown device 0925:1234
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 11
I/O ports at d800 [size=32]
Capabilities: [80] Power Management version 2

00:07.4 Bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super ACPI] (rev 40)
Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 9
Capabilities: [68] Power Management version 2

00:07.6 Communication controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. AC97 Modem Controller (rev 30)
Subsystem: VIA Technologies, Inc. AC97 Modem Controller
Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 3
I/O ports at dc00 [size=256]
Capabilities: [d0] Power Management version 2

00:09.0 Ethernet controller: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX (rev 20)
Subsystem: Netgear FA310TX
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 10
I/O ports at e000 [size=256]
Memory at d9009000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=256]
Expansion ROM at  [disabled] [size=256K]

00:0b.0 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec AIC-7861 (rev 01)
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 11
I/O ports at e400 [disabled] [size=256]
Memory at d9008000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
Expansion ROM at  [disabled] [size=64K]

00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: Yamaha Corporation YMF-724F [DS-1 Audio 
Controller] (rev 03)
Subsystem: Yamaha Corporation DS-XG PCI Audio CODEC
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 5
Memory at d900 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=32K]
Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 1

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Vanta [NV6] (rev 15) (prog-if 00 
[VGA])
Subsystem: AOPEN Inc.: Unknown device 000d
Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 5
Memory at d600 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M]
Memory at d400 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=32M]
Expansion ROM at  [disabled] [size=64K]
Capabilities: [60] Power Management version 1
Capabilities: [44] AGP version 2.0


Thanks,

Keith B.



Net Llama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Post the full output from "lspci -v".  That will show how linux is
>seeing your modem.
>
[snip]
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Re: Attn: Doug Hunley re forum software.

[Keith Antoine]

On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 06:10,Douglas J Hunley scribed:

> that is too damn weird Skip. I just ran across this software yesterday.
> Looks like it will fit the bill at work quite nicely. thanks

I have a feeling that the fact that I went and saw LOTR has something to do 
with it. I noticed the next day that my 'All purpose linux magic wand' of 
mine was rejuvinated (somewhat less slack), and my 'prognosticating 
abilities' have returned. Albeit somewhat intermittant.

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Re: Fwd: Returned mail: see transcript for details

[Andrew Mathews]

Andrew Mathews wrote:
> 
> Douglas J Hunley wrote:
> >
> > can someone get the below info to Glen Williams? He wondered why he wasn't
> > getting email from the list. When I replied, it bounced. Anyone able to reach
> > him?
> >
> 
> 
> I'll give him a call since he's relatively close to me.
> --

I can't reach him and I get the same error when sending to him. Seems
Cybermesa is having a problem with it.
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RE: RE: Microsoft Support

[kbb0927]

Got another one:

Mindless Collection (of) Stupid Examples

Bye,

Keith B.
"Lavinius Romio Petru" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I added most on http://www.rom-tech.net/mcse
>
>
>Cheers
>
>Romio
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
>Behalf Of Collins Richey
>Sent: Sunday, 20 January 2002 5:32 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Microsoft Support 
>
>On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:31:07 -0800
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Ah, but no one has come up with the most definitive one:
>> 
>> Most Certainly Shi**y Experience
>> 
>> Ray
>> 
>> On 19 Jan 2002, at 8:59, Tim Wunder wrote:
>> 
>> From: Tim Wunder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Organization: Dis-
>> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject:  Re: Microsoft Support 
>> Send reply to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>   
>>   
>> Date sent:Sat, 19 Jan 2002 08:59:37 -0500
>> 
>> > Previously, Ian chose to write:
>> > > Douglas J Hunley wrote:
>> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled on about:
>> > >
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > >
>> > > Not bad, I kinda watched this thread with amusement, in case
>nobody
>> > > was keeping track here are the entries in no particular order,
>> > > although possibly chronological.
>> > >
>> > > Must Consult with Someone Else,
>> > > Mouse Certified System Engineer
>> > > Must Confer with Someone Experienced
>> > > Microsoft Certified Solitaire Expert
>> > > Mandrake Consultant & Suse Expert
>> > > My Certification Somewhat Exaggerated
>> > > Mentally Crippled Self Evangelists
>> > > My Capabilities Seriously Exaggerated
>> > 
>> > Valuable info like this need to be on the SxS. Bedtime reading,
>> > perhaps?
>> > 
>> > -- 
>> > Caldera eWorkstation 3.1, kernel 2.4.9, KDE 2.2.1, Xfree86 4.1.0
>
>And my preference would be
>
>Merely Certified, Shi**y Engineer
>
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RE: Re: Microsoft Support

[kbb0927]

Bullseye!

Regards,

Keith B.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Ah, but no one has come up with the most definitive one:
>
>Most Certainly Shi**y Experience
>
>Ray
>
>On 19 Jan 2002, at 8:59, Tim Wunder wrote:
>
>From:   Tim Wunder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Organization:   Dis-
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject:Re: Microsoft Support 
>Send reply to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>Date sent:  Sat, 19 Jan 2002 08:59:37 -0500
>
>> Previously, Ian chose to write:
>> > Douglas J Hunley wrote:
>> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled on about:
>> >
>> > 
>> > 
>> >
>> > Not bad, I kinda watched this thread with amusement, in case nobody was
>> > keeping track here are the entries in no particular order, although
>> > possibly chronological.
>> >
>> > Must Consult with Someone Else,
>> > Mouse Certified System Engineer
>> > Must Confer with Someone Experienced
>> > Microsoft Certified Solitaire Expert
>> > Mandrake Consultant & Suse Expert
>> > My Certification Somewhat Exaggerated
>> > Mentally Crippled Self Evangelists
>> > My Capabilities Seriously Exaggerated
>> 
>> Valuable info like this need to be on the SxS. Bedtime reading, perhaps?
>> 
>> -- 
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Re: AMR Modems

[Net Llama]

Post the full output from "lspci -v".  That will show how linux is
seeing your modem.

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I recently changed motherboards in my pc to move up to a Celeron 850
> and
> 100 Mhz bus.  What a difference!!  This mobo had an AMR modem slot
> which
> I put an AMR modem in it. I previously had an ActionTec modem that
> worked
> well under Linux, but since I have cable connection, it's been months 
> since I have used a modem.  Does anyone have any good sites or advice 
> about these modems? It is a winmodem? The mobo manual does not discuss
> or indicate any drivers. The mobo manufacturer website does not
> mention
> any needed drivers.  The mobo is a Jetway 694TAS ATX board. There is
> no
> onboard sound, no onboard lan, no onboard video. It is a AGP in which
> I
> have an nVidia TNT2 m64 video card. Everything works flawlessly, but
> this
> AMR modem won't respond. It is seen and kinternet(Suse 7.3 Pro) tries
> to
> dial it, but fails. Any clues?  I have setserial based on the output
> of
> cat /proc/pci.  Oh yes, it is a PCI modem.

=

Lonni J. Friedman  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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RE: Microsoft Support

[Lavinius Romio Petru]

I added most on http://www.rom-tech.net/mcse


Cheers

Romio

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Collins Richey
Sent: Sunday, 20 January 2002 5:32 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Microsoft Support 

On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:31:07 -0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Ah, but no one has come up with the most definitive one:
> 
> Most Certainly Shi**y Experience
> 
> Ray
> 
> On 19 Jan 2002, at 8:59, Tim Wunder wrote:
> 
> From: Tim Wunder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Organization: Dis-
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: Microsoft Support 
> Send reply to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   
>   
> Date sent:Sat, 19 Jan 2002 08:59:37 -0500
> 
> > Previously, Ian chose to write:
> > > Douglas J Hunley wrote:
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled on about:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> > > Not bad, I kinda watched this thread with amusement, in case
nobody
> > > was keeping track here are the entries in no particular order,
> > > although possibly chronological.
> > >
> > > Must Consult with Someone Else,
> > > Mouse Certified System Engineer
> > > Must Confer with Someone Experienced
> > > Microsoft Certified Solitaire Expert
> > > Mandrake Consultant & Suse Expert
> > > My Certification Somewhat Exaggerated
> > > Mentally Crippled Self Evangelists
> > > My Capabilities Seriously Exaggerated
> > 
> > Valuable info like this need to be on the SxS. Bedtime reading,
> > perhaps?
> > 
> > -- 
> > Caldera eWorkstation 3.1, kernel 2.4.9, KDE 2.2.1, Xfree86 4.1.0

And my preference would be

Merely Certified, Shi**y Engineer

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WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 + xfce + sylpheed



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Re: Fwd: Returned mail: see transcript for details

[Andrew Mathews]

Douglas J Hunley wrote:
> 
> can someone get the below info to Glen Williams? He wondered why he wasn't
> getting email from the list. When I replied, it bounced. Anyone able to reach
> him?
> 


I'll give him a call since he's relatively close to me.
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Fwd: Returned mail: see transcript for details

[Douglas J Hunley]

can someone get the below info to Glen Williams? He wondered why he wasn't 
getting email from the list. When I replied, it bounced. Anyone able to reach 
him?

--  Forwarded Message  --

Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:15:34 -0500
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem 
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

from localhost [127.0.0.1]

   - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

   - Transcript of session follows -
550 5.1.2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... Host unknown (Name server:
 mail.cybermesa.com.abq-nm.com.: no data known)

---



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Once you realize that documentation should be laughed
at, peed upon, put on fire, and just ridiculed in
general, THEN, and only then, have you reached the
level where you can safely read it and try to use
it to actually implement a driver.
- Linus


from localhost [127.0.0.1]

   - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

   - Transcript of session follows -
550 5.1.2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... Host unknown (Name server: 
mail.cybermesa.com.abq-nm.com.: no data known)


Reporting-MTA: dns; linux.nf
Received-From-MTA: DNS; localhost
Arrival-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:15:34 -0500

Final-Recipient: RFC822; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.2
Remote-MTA: DNS; mail.cybermesa.com.abq-nm.com
Last-Attempt-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:15:34 -0500

--- Begin Message ---

Glenn Williams babbled on about:
> Hi, Doug:
>
> No mail from the linux-users or general or BSD lists over the past 24
> hours. Very unusual.  Are there problems with the servers?

none that I'm aware of. I just bounced some email to myself from a buddies 
accout and it seemed to work...
i just sent like 5 or 6 messages to linux-users
let me know if you don't see them
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printk("; corrupted filesystem mounted read/write - your computer 
will explode within 20 seconds ... but you wanted it so!\n");
2.4.3 linux/fs/hpfs/super.c

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Re: really stupid question about HTML

[Douglas J Hunley]

Ian babbled on about:
> news://news.somewhere.net/stepsite.somelists.freebsd-users";>

danke
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Re: (no subject)

[Douglas J Hunley]

Tom Wilson babbled on about:
> Will you be having you hash browns smothered, covered, scattered, and
> diced?

kurt didn't have any actually. I had scattered, covered, chunked.
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Re: Attn: Doug Hunley re forum software.

[Douglas J Hunley]

Keith Antoine babbled on about:
> Douglas wern't you looking for something like this??
>
> AnyBoard Forum
> Rated: 3 Penguins -  Category: TUCOWS Linux > Internet > Web Based
> Applications
> Version: 8.3
> License: Freeware
> AnyBoard is a fully featured web community and collaboration tool
> Try it: http://lyris.tucows.com/cgi-bin/nph-t.pl?U=24774&M=425664&MS=41514

that is too damn weird Skip. I just ran across this software yesterday. Looks 
like it will fit the bill at work quite nicely. thanks
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if (user_specified)
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Re: ext2/ext3

[Douglas J Hunley]

Mike Andrew babbled on about:
> This might seem *really dumb* but how can you do this on your root (/)
> partition, assuming tune2fs is on it? As in, what if you only have the 2
> 'standard' partitions of / and swap on your system?

root can be converted by using a one-time kernel parameter, or by using a 
boot disk.
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Re: ext2/ext3

[Douglas J Hunley]

Ken Moffat babbled on about:
> Ok, that's clear, but what about root partitions. Can they be converted
> from another distro? Or is that necessary? If I log in to redhat on hda6
> and convert a few from there, then log in to libranet or something on say
> hda9 can I convert the redhat partition? Or am I just making this too
> difficult?

you can convert the root by using a kernel boot parameter, or by using a 
bootdisk. I think you're over-complicating it a litte (like I often do)

>
> What about older kernels? Will they just mount these ext3 partitions as
> ext2?

yes. they will see the on-disk structure as ext2, IIRC

>
> And how does this relate to ReiserFS?

it doesn't. two different approaches to two different ideas (reiser is about 
more than journaling). and if you choose to go reiser, everything you have 
must support it.,

>
> (i'm off to rtfm. :^)

good idea
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Re: (no subject)

[Tom Wilson]

On Saturday 19 January 2002  3 03:21 am, Kurt Wall dropped these nuggets of 
information:
> Scribbling feverishly on January 18, Bruce Marshall managed to emit:
> > On Friday 18 January 2002 22:16 pm, Kurt Wall wrote:
> > > Scribbling feverishly on January 18, Sys Admin managed to emit:
> > > > tsting
> > >
> > > wrkng
> > >
> > > K
> >
> > Say wht?
>
> Doug and I are having breakfast at a Waffle House in Columbus, OH
> later this morning. I'm passing through on my way to Pittsburgh.
>
> Kurt

Will you be having you hash browns smothered, covered, scattered, and diced?  

M.

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Re: Microsoft Support

[Collins Richey]

On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:31:07 -0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Ah, but no one has come up with the most definitive one:
> 
> Most Certainly Shi**y Experience
> 
> Ray
> 
> On 19 Jan 2002, at 8:59, Tim Wunder wrote:
> 
> From: Tim Wunder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Organization: Dis-
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: Microsoft Support 
> Send reply to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   
>   
> Date sent:Sat, 19 Jan 2002 08:59:37 -0500
> 
> > Previously, Ian chose to write:
> > > Douglas J Hunley wrote:
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled on about:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> > > Not bad, I kinda watched this thread with amusement, in case nobody
> > > was keeping track here are the entries in no particular order,
> > > although possibly chronological.
> > >
> > > Must Consult with Someone Else,
> > > Mouse Certified System Engineer
> > > Must Confer with Someone Experienced
> > > Microsoft Certified Solitaire Expert
> > > Mandrake Consultant & Suse Expert
> > > My Certification Somewhat Exaggerated
> > > Mentally Crippled Self Evangelists
> > > My Capabilities Seriously Exaggerated
> > 
> > Valuable info like this need to be on the SxS. Bedtime reading,
> > perhaps?
> > 
> > -- 
> > Caldera eWorkstation 3.1, kernel 2.4.9, KDE 2.2.1, Xfree86 4.1.0

And my preference would be

Merely Certified, Shi**y Engineer

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Re: Microsoft Support

[R. Quenett]

... oh, yes, and the time to call one is after

Massive Crash Sewers Everything

R

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Re: Microsoft Support

[rplummer]

Ah, but no one has come up with the most definitive one:

Most Certainly Shi**y Experience

Ray

On 19 Jan 2002, at 8:59, Tim Wunder wrote:

From:   Tim Wunder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Organization:   Dis-
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: Microsoft Support 
Send reply to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Date sent:  Sat, 19 Jan 2002 08:59:37 -0500

> Previously, Ian chose to write:
> > Douglas J Hunley wrote:
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled on about:
> >
> > 
> > 
> >
> > Not bad, I kinda watched this thread with amusement, in case nobody was
> > keeping track here are the entries in no particular order, although
> > possibly chronological.
> >
> > Must Consult with Someone Else,
> > Mouse Certified System Engineer
> > Must Confer with Someone Experienced
> > Microsoft Certified Solitaire Expert
> > Mandrake Consultant & Suse Expert
> > My Certification Somewhat Exaggerated
> > Mentally Crippled Self Evangelists
> > My Capabilities Seriously Exaggerated
> 
> Valuable info like this need to be on the SxS. Bedtime reading, perhaps?
> 
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Re: an interesting experience

[Bruce Marshall]

On Saturday 19 January 2002 11:22 am, Myles Green wrote:
>  
>
> > Impressive yes  but there is a long, long way to go.
>
> True enough but this would not have been possible even a year ago - I
> would have had to work much harder at getting it to work.
>
> BTW Bruce, are you still using OS/2 anywhere? Are you aware of any GUI
> software besides "RSJ" for burning CD-R(W)'s? Seems my father wasn't
> impressed enough to make the switch to Linux. Oh, and he's legally blind
> so it pretty much has to be a GUI application to suit him. Thanks.

Not familiar with what 'RSJ' is...  I assume it's something that runs on OS/2.

No, I don't run  OS/2 anymore but I still have a machine here with it 
resident... I don't turn it on to run OS/2 anymore unless I need to get a 
file from it.

It took me about a week to switch from OS/2 to Linux.  Something I thought 
would be very hard to do turned out to be not hard at all.



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Re: AOL to buy Red Hat ?

[Lee]

Michael Scottaline wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 09:28:04 +0100 (CET)
> Zoran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scribbled in frustration:
> 
> > http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-01-19-002-20-NW-RH
> =
> H..., perhaps they'll do for RH what they did for Netscape, huh?  I
> was just getting used to RH as a distro, running 6.2 and 7.2.  I may
> switch to SuSE, or perhaps back to Mandrake, or Caldera. or perhaps I'll
> give Debian another try, or Slackware, or... Mike
> 
>>>I'll second that. After what happened with Napster and the secondary effects AOL's 
>greed suit had on Net streamimg of radio and music I'd rather run Joe's Linux on my 
>boxes than anything by MacroGreed or AOLGreed.--

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Re: an interesting experience

[Jerry McBride]

On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:05:54 -0600 "Michael Hipp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: "Jerry McBride" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Recently, my father (who is an OS/2 die-hard) purchaced a SCSI CDRW
> > > (Yamaha) which he could not get to work. After two weeks of trying, he
> > > asked me to see if I could get it to work in my Linux box.
> >
> > Having moved from OS/2 to linux just a couple of years ago... I can echo
> your experience.
> > Working new hardware into linx is a dream when compared to other OS's.
> 
> You guys must have different expectations that some of us. To get hardware
> to work in my Win boxes, I stick in the CD and hit 'Next' four times.

Believe me... I've HAD the windows experience... click next four times, reboot 3 and 
then... windows is detecting new hardware... Yuk!

I don't mean to lay the embers for a new flame war... but windows from microsoft 
sucks. The only saving grace is that it provides for the income of thousands of 
support tech... 

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Re: an interesting experience

[Michael Hipp]

From: "Jerry McBride" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Recently, my father (who is an OS/2 die-hard) purchaced a SCSI CDRW
> > (Yamaha) which he could not get to work. After two weeks of trying, he
> > asked me to see if I could get it to work in my Linux box.
>
> Having moved from OS/2 to linux just a couple of years ago... I can echo
your experience.
> Working new hardware into linx is a dream when compared to other OS's.

You guys must have different expectations that some of us. To get hardware
to work in my Win boxes, I stick in the CD and hit 'Next' four times. Never
mind the Mac. (And yes I know it's because the hw vendors do Bill's work for
him and write all the drivers and install programs.)

I'm very impressed that Myles was able to do what he did and so quickly. I'm
not impressed that he *had* to.

Could his father have done that? Or any other user?

Michael


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Re: an interesting experience

[Jerry McBride]

On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 08:58:41 -0700 Myles Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Recently, my father (who is an OS/2 die-hard) purchaced a SCSI CDRW
> (Yamaha) which he could not get to work. After two weeks of trying, he
> asked me to see if I could get it to work in my Linux box. 

Having moved from OS/2 to linux just a couple of years ago... I can echo your 
experience. Working new hardware into linx is a dream when compared to other OS's.

That said, to get my scsi adapter and scsi cdrom/cdrw to work under OS/2 required many 
a visit to the OS/2 user groups... In the end, it all worked but never as well as it 
did/does inder linux.''


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Re: an interesting experience

[Myles Green]

On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:08:28 -0500
Bruce Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Saturday 19 January 2002 10:58 am, Myles Green wrote:
> > In less than one hour I was able to install the hardware, have the
> > system detect it (kudzu), read /var/log/messages to see which module
> > the Adaptec SCSI card needed, modprobe the module and add a line to
> > /etc/rc.d/rc.local (modprobe aic7xxx), reboot and mount a CD. Then I
> > linked /dev/cdrom2 to /dev/scd2, added a line to /etc/fstab and
> > proceeded to burn a CD at 4x using Xcdroast. Oh, and I also removed
> > the hardware again in that hour.
> >
> > I was impressed to say the least.
> >
> > Just thought I'd pass on this experience...
> 
> Ok...   write that up into a 'getting started'  couple of paragraphs
> that can be placed into the manual that comes with the CD-RW.   :o)

OK, but do you think they'd actually include it? =)
 
> Impressive yes  but there is a long, long way to go.

True enough but this would not have been possible even a year ago - I
would have had to work much harder at getting it to work.

BTW Bruce, are you still using OS/2 anywhere? Are you aware of any GUI
software besides "RSJ" for burning CD-R(W)'s? Seems my father wasn't
impressed enough to make the switch to Linux. Oh, and he's legally blind
so it pretty much has to be a GUI application to suit him. Thanks.

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Re: Large cracks in the Windoze, a fud warning.

[Michael Hipp]

Let's just make sure we don't take anyone who dares offer constructive
criticism of Linux or reports to have found a security problem and
immediately fry them as a "mole", "troll", "plant" or whatever. Tarring and
feathering needs to be reserved for the real thing; not some innocent who
still believes in open discussion and full disclosure.

Just my .02,
Michael

- Original Message -
From: "Bruce Marshall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> In any event, when/if MS starts a campaign, it will probably be hard to
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Re: an interesting experience

[Bruce Marshall]

On Saturday 19 January 2002 10:58 am, Myles Green wrote:
> In less than one hour I was able to install the hardware, have the
> system detect it (kudzu), read /var/log/messages to see which module the
> Adaptec SCSI card needed, modprobe the module and add a line to
> /etc/rc.d/rc.local (modprobe aic7xxx), reboot and mount a CD. Then I
> linked /dev/cdrom2 to /dev/scd2, added a line to /etc/fstab and
> proceeded to burn a CD at 4x using Xcdroast. Oh, and I also removed the
> hardware again in that hour.
>
> I was impressed to say the least.
>
> Just thought I'd pass on this experience...

Ok...   write that up into a 'getting started'  couple of paragraphs that can 
be placed into the manual that comes with the CD-RW.   :o)

Impressive yes  but there is a long, long way to go.

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Re: Large cracks in the Windoze, a fud warning.

[Bruce Marshall]

On Saturday 19 January 2002 10:57 am, Bruce Marshall wrote:
>   In fact, checking with
> www.barkto.com, there is a better explaination of what really happened than
> I just gave from memory.

I correct myself.   The "what really happened"  link on that page deals with 
the events of CIS committing suicide by lumping some very successful forums 
together and killing others.  It was a dumb move because it took less than 24 
hours for those successful forums to re-invent themselves as private news 
groups at no cost.  Most of the members left CIS at this point.   I left 
after 13 years of CIS usage.


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an interesting experience

[Myles Green]

Recently, my father (who is an OS/2 die-hard) purchaced a SCSI CDRW
(Yamaha) which he could not get to work. After two weeks of trying, he
asked me to see if I could get it to work in my Linux box. Now, my linux
box is based on Red Hat 7.2 and has been updated to kernel 2.4.17 -
nothing out of the ordinary. Usually, I custom build my kernels with
only the things needed for the hardware in the particular box being
used. This time I chose to use the RedHat config scripts contained in
the RedHat supplied kernel sources (I used the 2.4.9 sources obtained
via the up2date utility) and did a make oldconfig. Yes, this resulted in
a rather large vmlinuz image and a downright HUGE /lib/modules/2.4.17
but the end result was very surprising.

In less than one hour I was able to install the hardware, have the
system detect it (kudzu), read /var/log/messages to see which module the
Adaptec SCSI card needed, modprobe the module and add a line to
/etc/rc.d/rc.local (modprobe aic7xxx), reboot and mount a CD. Then I
linked /dev/cdrom2 to /dev/scd2, added a line to /etc/fstab and
proceeded to burn a CD at 4x using Xcdroast. Oh, and I also removed the
hardware again in that hour.

I was impressed to say the least.

Just thought I'd pass on this experience...

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Re: Large cracks in the Windoze, a fud warning.

[Bruce Marshall]

On Saturday 19 January 2002 5:26 am, Mike Andrew wrote:
> There are a (very) small number of people on this list, who will confirm
> for you, that FUDmongery is real and was a paid for veritable disease in
> the OS/2 vs Msoft warz. The basic rules are, you take your opponent's os
> apart and find anything sloppy. You then innocently post 'bug reports' into
> mailgroups. ANY response of any kind to these bugs (real or imagined),
> prompts a wave of auto-generated hate mail from umpty dozen new
> mail@somewheres, "How can it be like this", "I thought you said it was
> 'perfect", "I agree with Fred, your OS is crap"

I don't recall ever seeing a 'wave' of 'munchkins' (the name given to MS 
trolls).  They are usually more subtle than that.  But at some point in some 
forum there probably was a wave.

The one instance I was involved in  went as follows:

A high up MS official frequented a certain CompuServe (CIS) (OS/2 friendly) 
forum.  As such he was friendly and informative and in no way a problem.  He 
was considered one of the 'core friends' on that forum.

But at some point he 'commissioned' either himself or another MS employee to 
take one of those CIS freebie packs and open an account with CIS.  He/they 
then placed a call from Redmond to Witchita, KS to get on the system, thus 
trying to hide themselves better.   Joining the forum, he/they claimed to 
work for IBM or have dealing with IBM and made some rather damaging 
statements.  This went on for 4 or 5 sessions under the name of Steve Barkto.

Several of the forum participants noticed a similarity of the typing and 
language style usage of 'Steve' and started to investigate.  Although CIS 
would not reveal any details about the account, somehow it was discovered 
that the credit card used to open the account belonged to the MS official.

He denied it, said a lot of people had access to that particular credit card 
and a MS investigation was to take place.  Nothing ever came of it but the 
name 'Barkto' will probably live on forever.  In fact, checking with 
www.barkto.com, there is a better explaination of what really happened than I 
just gave from memory.   Excuse me if I missed some details.

In any event, when/if MS starts a campaign, it will probably be hard to tell.

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Re: AOL to buy Red Hat ?

[Michael Scottaline]

On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 09:28:04 +0100 (CET)
Zoran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scribbled in frustration:

> http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-01-19-002-20-NW-RH
=
H..., perhaps they'll do for RH what they did for Netscape, huh?  I
was just getting used to RH as a distro, running 6.2 and 7.2.  I may
switch to SuSE, or perhaps back to Mandrake, or Caldera. or perhaps I'll
give Debian another try, or Slackware, or... Mike

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Re: Linux-users digest, Vol 1 #305 - 19 msgs

[Michael Scottaline]

On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 16:11:44 +1000
"Lavinius Romio Petru" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scribbled in amusement:

> "Mayday", Called Some Experts
> Mad Consultants Slurping Ethanol

=
Yes!! A Keeper!!!
Mike

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Re: ext2/ext3

[Bruce Marshall]

On Saturday 19 January 2002 9:40 am, Ken Moffat wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:03:38 +1130
>
> Mike Andrew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:29, Douglas J Hunley wrote:
> > > using tune2fs is the only way to convert existing partitions.
> > > simply unmount the partition, 'tune2fs -j /dev/xxx'
> > > and then edit /etc/fstab to say ext3 instead of ext2. remount the
> > > partition, good to go
> >
> > This might seem *really dumb* but how can you do this on your root (/)
> > partition, assuming tune2fs is on it? As in, what if you only have the 2
> > 'standard' partitions of / and swap on your system?
>
> I was wondering that, but this may answer it...
> (involves the 'r' word ... (reboot))
> (from http://www.zip.com.au/~akpm/linux/ext3/ext3-usage.html)
> Converting ext2 filesystems
> An ext2 filesystem maybe converted to ext3 by creating a journal file on
> it.  To do this, run tune2fs -j /dev/hdXX on the target filesystem (which
> may be mounted).  The filesystem is now ext3 capable.  This means that it
> can be mounted as type ext3.  Now you can unmount/mount (after changing
> your /etc/fstab appropriately) to do this. To mount the root filesystem
> ext3, the easiest thing is probably to just reboot.

I did all of the above and it worked just fine.   Kernel=2.4.16



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Re: New(?) Athlon bug (reported on gentoo)

[Ken Moffat]

On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 06:36:24 -0700
Collins Richey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> [ snips from a notice posted on gentoo by Daniel Robbins ]
> 
> You Athlon users may want to take notice.
> 
> "...here quite a few Athlon CPUs have a particular bug 

ouch.
I have an athlon 1.4, and it seems rock solid when using Libranet (Debian)
without 'testing' versions added. But I have had my share of lockups along
the way.


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Re: ext2/ext3

[Ken Moffat]

On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:03:38 +1130
Mike Andrew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:29, Douglas J Hunley wrote:
> 
> > using tune2fs is the only way to convert existing partitions.
> > simply unmount the partition, 'tune2fs -j /dev/xxx'
> > and then edit /etc/fstab to say ext3 instead of ext2. remount the
> > partition, good to go
> 
> This might seem *really dumb* but how can you do this on your root (/) 
> partition, assuming tune2fs is on it? As in, what if you only have the 2
> 'standard' partitions of / and swap on your system?
> 

I was wondering that, but this may answer it... 
(involves the 'r' word ... (reboot))
(from http://www.zip.com.au/~akpm/linux/ext3/ext3-usage.html)
Converting ext2 filesystems
An ext2 filesystem maybe converted to ext3 by creating a journal file on
it.  To do this, run tune2fs -j /dev/hdXX on the target filesystem (which
may be mounted).  The filesystem is now ext3 capable.  This means that it
can be mounted as type ext3.  Now you can unmount/mount (after changing
your /etc/fstab appropriately) to do this. To mount the root filesystem
ext3, the easiest thing is probably to just reboot.


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Re: AOL to buy Red Hat ?

[Ken Moffat]

On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 09:28:04 +0100 (CET)
Zoran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-01-19-002-20-NW-RH
> 
> Cheers,
> Zoran.

Jeez ... is this good or bad? America on RedHat? 

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Re: Microsoft Support

[Tim Wunder]

Previously, Ian chose to write:
> Douglas J Hunley wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled on about:
>
> 
> 
>
> Not bad, I kinda watched this thread with amusement, in case nobody was
> keeping track here are the entries in no particular order, although
> possibly chronological.
>
> Must Consult with Someone Else,
> Mouse Certified System Engineer
> Must Confer with Someone Experienced
> Microsoft Certified Solitaire Expert
> Mandrake Consultant & Suse Expert
> My Certification Somewhat Exaggerated
> Mentally Crippled Self Evangelists
> My Capabilities Seriously Exaggerated

Valuable info like this need to be on the SxS. Bedtime reading, perhaps?

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New(?) Athlon bug (reported on gentoo)

[Collins Richey]

[ snips from a notice posted on gentoo by Daniel Robbins ]

You Athlon users may want to take notice.

"...here quite a few Athlon CPUs have a particular bug where
the Athlon will corrupt memory if it is using 4Mb page tables with AGP. 
He said that you could tell the kernel to *not* use 4Mb page tables by 
passing the 'mem=nopentium' option to the kernel at boot-time, ie via
GRUB.  I tried this and my problems completely disappeared.  I
immediately contacted some kernel developers, and now Alan Cox and
Terrence are going to try to track down this particular bug and add
support for autodetecting it to the Linux kernel."

Apparently even M$ systems are noticing this.

"So, if you are having stability problems (lock-ups, etc) on an Athlon
system, particularly with 2.4.18_pre3 which seems to make this bug more
prominent, try using the 'mem=nopentium' option which tells the kernel
to effectively work around this CPU bug."

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Re: Large cracks in the Windoze, a fud warning.

[Burns MacDonald]

Mike wrote:

> Our dear friend Big Bill has a fearsome reputation for discerning the
"next
> big direction" in computing, and thus keeping his Company afloat.
> We live in interesting times. Knowing Msoft history makes me think these
> pundits are wrong, yet-again. Bill will simply create a new Xindows that
IS
> secure.
>

I believe you are right. I have said for a long time that the worst thing
for Linux is for Microsoft  to start taking their OS seriously and make it
truly more stable and more secure.

> 
> And now a warning.
>
> There are a (very) small number of people on this list, who will confirm
for
> you, that FUDmongery is real and was a paid for veritable disease in the
OS/2
> vs Msoft warz. The basic rules are, you take your opponent's os apart and
> find anything sloppy. You then innocently post 'bug reports' into
mailgroups.
> ANY response of any kind to these bugs (real or imagined), prompts a wave
of
> auto-generated hate mail from umpty dozen new mail@somewheres, "How can it
be
> like this", "I thought you said it was 'perfect", "I agree with Fred, your
OS
> is crap"
>
> When genuine weakneses run out, you then look for ones that can't be
> verified. 'The team' supplies a stream of questions on issues that can't
be
> proved or disproved. Purpose? Confusion, doubt, unsure-ness.

Yep. And quietly commission a number of studies by "independent
labs/consultants" that test the "other OS" under conditions and specs that
favour your OS and place the other at a disadvantage. The use your enormous
influence in the media (including some you own e.g. MSNBC) to favourably and
'credibly' present these studies as the real bottom line truth.

Introduce doubt among those who don't have the technical savvy to know that
it is bullsh*t. The doubt should be based upon core values that the
mainstream values (Remember 'Linux is unpatriotic and threatens the American
Way'?). The best elements involve an element of credibility, so use a series
of half-truths in order to create a much larger lie.

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AMR Modems

[kbb0927]

I recently changed motherboards in my pc to move up to a Celeron 850 and
100 Mhz bus.  What a difference!!  This mobo had an AMR modem slot which
I put an AMR modem in it. I previously had an ActionTec modem that worked
well under Linux, but since I have cable connection, it's been months 
since I have used a modem.  Does anyone have any good sites or advice 
about these modems? It is a winmodem? The mobo manual does not discuss
or indicate any drivers. The mobo manufacturer website does not mention
any needed drivers.  The mobo is a Jetway 694TAS ATX board. There is no
onboard sound, no onboard lan, no onboard video. It is a AGP in which I
have an nVidia TNT2 m64 video card. Everything works flawlessly, but this
AMR modem won't respond. It is seen and kinternet(Suse 7.3 Pro) tries to
dial it, but fails. Any clues?  I have setserial based on the output of
cat /proc/pci.  Oh yes, it is a PCI modem.

Many thanks and best regards,

Keith B.
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Large cracks in the Windoze, a fud warning.

[Mike Andrew]

Our dear friend Big Bill has a fearsome reputation for discerning the "next 
big direction" in computing, and thus keeping his Company afloat.

Unlike all others in the game (except notably IBM), all others made the 
mistake of living off their killer app, and consequently being consigned to 
history. (aka Novell, visicalc, Digital Research, to name a few).

Where Bill is uncanny is his insistence on moving Msoft, boots 'n all into 
. Thus he re-invents Msoft every decade. Remember microsoft? 
that company that just did Dos and Basic?

Thus the occaisional missives from him to all staff to move from DOS to 
Win3.1 (he sacked the entire DOS6 dev staff) The subsequent all out focus on 
Word and Excel, the marriage of convenience to Novel when he saw ethernet 
being 'it', the marriage to IBM while gui desktops were still being 
accepted...

and, recently, his inspired guess that Internet was 'it'. His misguided 
attempt to kill Internet stone motherless dead and replace it with his 
(original) version of MSN. The flat out, mad-pace development of IExplorer 
(just 6 weeks for christ sake!)

and, now. The missive from Gates is:

stop work on every single project and development, add no more features, and 
concentrate *solely* on making our products 1) secure, 2) stable.

In context to the 1st paragraphs, this missive is the same gigantic leap into 
something new. He is past the point of just being 'worried' and sees the 
demise of Msoft on the horizon because of the TWO issues. Recall, he saw 
correctly, the demise of Windoze without IExplorer.

Now, if this OS of his, *is* unstable, and *is* insecure, the bottom line to 
that is who gives a sh*t when nothing else is available? The arrogance of 
pumping crap out for a decade was because he could. For a decade now, there 
was indeed NOTHING else (that worried Bill enuff).

The only reason Bill is taking this issue as strong as he can, is he can see 
people flocking (I use the word advisedly) to Linux and it's derivates.

The word from the industry watchers (Gerian, DB Associates, Standard & Poors) 
is "too little, too late".

We live in interesting times. Knowing Msoft history makes me think these 
pundits are wrong, yet-again. Bill will simply create a new Xindows that IS 
secure.


And now a warning.

There are a (very) small number of people on this list, who will confirm for 
you, that FUDmongery is real and was a paid for veritable disease in the OS/2 
vs Msoft warz. The basic rules are, you take your opponent's os apart and 
find anything sloppy. You then innocently post 'bug reports' into mailgroups. 
ANY response of any kind to these bugs (real or imagined), prompts a wave of 
auto-generated hate mail from umpty dozen new mail@somewheres, "How can it be 
like this", "I thought you said it was 'perfect", "I agree with Fred, your OS 
is crap"

When genuine weakneses run out, you then look for ones that can't be 
verified. 'The team' supplies a stream of questions on issues that can't be 
proved or disproved. Purpose? Confusion, doubt, unsure-ness.

What Bill's boys will now (desperately) attempt to do is DIScredit Linux's 
famed stability and security. They don't actually have a choice if they wish 
to survive, because they have to show Windoze is MORE secure than *nix. It's 
that serious, for them.

You may laugh, I may laugh, at this obvious untruth, Windoze isn't secure, 
probably can't be (but knowing Bill, that may not be true forever). The point 
is, they are going to go flat out with the unwashed masses, convincing them 
that Linux, it's grandathers, and it's children are cr*p.

This won't affect THIS mailer directly because the corporate mind is thinking 
Redhat, but

Be warned.

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Re: ext2/ext3

[Mike Andrew]

On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:29, Douglas J Hunley wrote:

> using tune2fs is the only way to convert existing partitions.
> simply unmount the partition, 'tune2fs -j /dev/xxx'
> and then edit /etc/fstab to say ext3 instead of ext2. remount the
> partition, good to go

This might seem *really dumb* but how can you do this on your root (/) 
partition, assuming tune2fs is on it? As in, what if you only have the 2 
'standard' partitions of / and swap on your system?

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Re: (no subject)

[Kurt Wall]

Scribbling feverishly on January 19, David Aikema managed to emit:
> On January 18, 2002 07:16 pm, Kurt Wall wrote:
> > Scribbling feverishly on January 18, Sys Admin managed to emit:
> > > tsting
> >
> > wrkng
> 
> I think you misspelled that.  It should be "wrking".  You've gotta stay true 
> to form after all.

Consistency, perchance? I think it was Mencken that remarked a
foolishly held consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds. ;-)
If it wasn't Mencken, it's the kind of remark he *would* have made if
he'd thought of it...

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AOL to buy Red Hat ?

[Zoran]

http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-01-19-002-20-NW-RH

Cheers,
Zoran.
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Re: Linux-users digest, Vol 1 #305 - 19 msgs

[Kurt Wall]

Scribbling feverishly on January 19, Lavinius Romio Petru managed to emit:

[comprehensive list expansions for "MCSE" elided'

> There :) 

ROFLMAO!

Show-off. ;-)

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Re: (no subject)

[David Aikema]

On January 18, 2002 07:16 pm, Kurt Wall wrote:
> Scribbling feverishly on January 18, Sys Admin managed to emit:
> > tsting
>
> wrkng

I think you misspelled that.  It should be "wrking".  You've gotta stay true 
to form after all.

David Aikema
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Re: (no subject)

[Kurt Wall]

Scribbling feverishly on January 18, Bruce Marshall managed to emit:
> On Friday 18 January 2002 22:16 pm, Kurt Wall wrote:
> > Scribbling feverishly on January 18, Sys Admin managed to emit:
> > > tsting
> >
> > wrkng
> >
> > K
> 
> Say wht?

Doug and I are having breakfast at a Waffle House in Columbus, OH
later this morning. I'm passing through on my way to Pittsburgh.

Kurt
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