Re: anyone know of

[Ronnie Gauthier]

Discus
I got it at 
http://www.discusware.com/discus/

Ronnie

On Tuesday 15 January 2002 13:48, Douglas J Hunley wrote:
> a decent forum system that allows people to "subscribe" to it in such a way
> that all posts to a particular forum are emailed to them. and when they
> reply to the email, they reply shows up on the forum?
> anyone?

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Re: writeable vfat

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/dev/hda1 /mnt/win_c vfat user,exec,umask=0 0 0
works for me

On Tuesday 08 January 2002 22:21, R. Quenett wrote:
> Suggestions to correct the following fstab entry so any
> user can write to /mnt/hda14 would be appreciated.
>
> /dev/hda14 /mnt/hda14 vfat rw,users,dev,exec,suid,check=n,uid=503,gid=100 0
> 0
>
> As it is, root can write and any user can read (always), but a user
> can write only if logged in as uid 503. If uid=503 is omitted then only
> root can write; if changed to nnn, then user can write only if logged
> in as user nnn.  I'm sure it's a permissions problem but damned if
> I can see how to correct it.
>
> Thanks.
>
> R
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Re: Internet Server Sanctions

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Yes, most of us here can do that no problem, and do as a rule when trouble 
shooting access problems. But dont expect the average user to do more than 
say a site is broken. They have no clue to what a dns is much less how to use 
one vs. another.

On Friday 04 January 2002 14:22, Mike Andrew wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:38, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Okay. I stand corrected.
>
> Then stand re-corrected.
>
> All that any user on the 'internal' network has to do is pull from some
> other DNS. It's typical to access a dn server geographically close. but it
> makes little difference in reality.
>
> The issue boils down to a dn server can be an authority for anything it
> likes. It can choose, in the normal case, to defer to, or refresh it's
> knowledge of other domains, or, it could ignore them. The latter is not the
> norm and would break the fabric of the internet if it were so.
>
> But, one of the 'hardiness' aspects built in to the internet and it's
> domains is the user, is free to avoid a 'broken' server quite easily.
>
> 

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Re: Internet Server Sanctions

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The point I was making is that even if(when) you get you domain name 
transfered, if the original hosting entity does not remove you from their dns 
table no one accessing the net from them(their network) will be able to 
access your new host. And yes, a user can use just about any dns server, but 
dont expect the average user to do that, just expect them to say your site is 
broke.

you need to:

1. get a new host...this is easy
2. get the registar to change records to point to the new host...
your new host will be the most help here
3. get the old host to delete your dns entryyou might need a guy in a 
funny wig

 
On Friday 04 January 2002 10:59, Declan Moriarty wrote:
> Was it Bill Campbell who wrote on Friday 04 January 2002 02:42:
> > On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 07:23:10PM +0000, Ronnie Gauthier wrote:
> > >Not quite right. If I set up IBM.com in my dns anyone on my network
> > > would go where my records point to and nothing can supercede them
> > > except a lawsuit. Not internic, your ISP, IBM or anyone.
> >
> > There are actually legitmate reasons one might do something like this.  I
> > had a case last week when one of my friend's DSL connection got hosed,
> > and their upstream took several days to fix it, giving them a fixed IP
> > dialup in the interim.  We're the primary backup MX forwarder for their
> > domain, but not a secondary DNS server.  I just set up authoritative DNS
> > for them here using djbdns (lot's easier and more secure than bind) with
> > a primary MX record pointing to their dynamic dialup, and this got their
> > mail flowing in the interim.
>
> Thank you all for the detailed and knowledgeable replies. Now slow down
> just a little to help me understand what was said. I'm not following much
> of the above.
>
> 1. I should transfer the domain to a working server. It's a .com. It's
> libellous, but it's there so whoever wants a laugh go to
> http://www.electronic-genius.com
> and don't hold me responsible for anything up there. The phone number is
> right, and the horrid hardware thing is definitely going to happen -
> sometime.
>
> 2. What can I do if he's slow in letting go?
>
> 3. Can I complain www.getfreeinternet.co.uk anywhere else?

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Re: Internet Server Sanctions

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Not quite right. If I set up IBM.com in my dns anyone on my network would go 
where my records point to and nothing can supercede them except a lawsuit. 
Not internic, your ISP, IBM or anyone.

On Friday 04 January 2002 01:07, Keith Antoine wrote:
> On Friday 04 January 2002 07:46 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] observed:
> > Agreed. However, the issue becomes difficult when both the original ISP
> > and the new ISP maintain DNS records for a domain. While the owner of
> > the NIC handle certainly has the power and the right to delegate the
> > domain to anyone she chooses, if the old ISP does not delete the DNS
> > records for that domain, competing DNS records will exist if or until
> > the records at the new ISP (which would be the authoritative ones)
> > supercede the records at the old one.
> >
> > Kurt
>
> Again stated better than I could. But the verdict is that he is not locked
> in so much as he thinks he is. If he does redelagate the domain its only a
> matter of time before the 'old' dns becomes defunked.

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Re: christmas and its HOT!

[Ronnie Gauthier]

Oh well, I went skiing today, threw a few snowballs, then hit the hot tub. 
Oh, did I mention a glass of good sangiovese. Just another boring winter day.


On Saturday 22 December 2001 08:28, Keith Antoine wrote:
> Here I am sitting with towel round waist at 6.20pm after coming out of
> shower for the 4th time today, also having had the machine shut down 4
> times also.
>

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Re: Ok... so its a stupid question

[Ronnie Gauthier]

I have one on a box that runs col2.3, works fine.

On Saturday 22 December 2001 04:20, Ted Ozolins wrote:
> On Friday 21 December 2001 06:41 pm, Tim Wunder wrote:
> > Previously, David Aikema chose to write:
> > > 2. Would an optical mouse get enough electro-juice via the serial port
> > > to enable it to work... or are the ps2 and usb ports capable of
> > > powering more demanding devices?
>
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Re: What's the name of that program...

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I use one called PFE, Programmers File Editor.
http://www.lancs.ac.uk/people/cpaap/pfe/

On Thursday 20 December 2001 22:16, Peter Ruskin wrote:
> On Thursday 20 Dec 2001 15:34, Ian wrote:
> > I remember Mike Andrew, and others, referring to a Windows editor
> > program, (a Wordpad'ish, pointy-clicky, GUI type) that can be used to
> > edit UNIX text files without adding the CR/LF to the lines...but I
> > can't remember what it was called.
> >
> > Anyone out there know of a freeware/shareware program the will fit the
> > bill, or remember the one Mike always recommended?
>
> TextPad?  

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Re: test

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Tell me a bedtime story!

On Friday 21 December 2001 03:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> David Aikema wrote:
> % Please ignore.
>
> Yah, right.
>
> Kurt

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Re: OT cool site

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I have no idea how long it lasts. But I would like to know how its done. I 
have an old ascii draw program laying around with my bbs stuff I'd play with 
again. A very low overhead tutorial or something-or-the-other could be 
created this way. I bet you could easily color the text too.

On Wednesday 19 December 2001 02:55, Tim Wunder wrote:
> Previously, Ronnie Gauthier chose to write:
> > telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
>
> Now that's neat. How long does it last? I gave it 5 minutes or so, but then
> gave up to do other stuff.
>
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OT cool site

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telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
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Re: graphics program

[Ronnie Gauthier]

Simple ads can easily be done in any decent office suite like Star Office 
with the word procesor.

On Friday 30 November 2001 20:29, Wade Barocsi wrote:
> Does anyone have a suggestion for a graphics program for
> making relatively simple newspaper ads.  Obviously gimp can
> handle this, but is it the best choice?  Ease of use is more important
> than features.
>
> Thanks
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Re: access to sql

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Thanks. We got this one straigntened out but the next on can really use 
something like that.

On Tuesday 13 November 2001 16:14, Aaron Grewell wrote:
> If you're going to MySQL, the easiest way is to get a plugin called
> MyAccess.  It's available in the downloads section of
> http://www.mysql.com .  It's nagware, but very easy.  I use it to allow
> my power-user types to publish their own databases to our MySQL server.
> If they can use Access, they can use MyAccess.  It's really easy.
>
> On Mon, 2001-11-12 at 08:27, Ronnie Gauthier wrote:
> > Anyone ever convert an access db to sql on linux? Is it doable?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
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Re: access to sql

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Thank You. Guess its moot now. We met last night with the owners and told 
them if we took the site they had to dump billy stuff and go with linux. The 
only thing I have to convert is the customer base. Ahhh! another linux 
convert, who cares if it was by force.

On Monday 12 November 2001 22:47, David Aikema wrote:
> On Monday 12 November 2001 08:27 am, Ronnie Gauthier wrote:
> > Anyone ever convert an access db to sql on linux? Is it doable?
>
> I've gone from access to mysql-win32 which should be pretty much the same
> thing.
>
> If your database software has odbc drivers you might be able to export the
> data directly from access.  Otherwise you might try exporting the database
> in a comma delimited format, or some other format that your database
> software can understand.  Failing those two possibilities, you might try
> creating a script that'll build the sql statements needed to get the data
> in at the other end.
>
> There are some scripts available to help you with the process I think if
> you search around.
>
> What database software are you hoping to move over to?
> What is the size of the database?
>
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access to sql

[Ronnie Gauthier]

Anyone ever convert an access db to sql on linux? Is it doable?

Thanks

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Re: PING

[Ronnie Gauthier]

PONG

On Saturday 10 November 2001 17:58, Ian wrote:
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Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Attention Ingenious Patriots!

[Ronnie Gauthier]

cheese = packet??
or is it like a pirate ham.screw the license?


On Friday 02 November 2001 16:38, Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote:
> Burns,
>
> > Hey, wait a minute, all the old Army radios from World War II
> > were good for ham radio, maybe parts from all the autonomous
> > solar robot cameras they'll end up making for this war will be
> > good for cheese radio.  (Cheese radio is like ham radio, but no
> > licenses and with encryption and curse words; it uses router and
> > compression power instead of transmitter power to carry voice over
> > long distances. Every radio is a router.)
>
> You have to work hard to make enough bread to afford both Ham and Cheese
> radios, though, so you'll never sandwich in enough time to pig out on both
> hobbies.
>
>
>In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord,
>
>Tom  :-})
>
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Re: Apache: Accessing dirs. w/ & w/out trailing slashes

[Ronnie Gauthier]

 dont know why but a trailing slash is required for any url that does 
internal redirects like localhost and users dirs.

On Thursday 25 October 2001 14:41, Ian Marchak wrote:
> This is probably a simple one, but I've missed it thus far.
>
> How does one/what control access to directories with or without a '/'
> after them?
>
> For example...on a freshly installed 1.3.22 the manual pages are found
> under http://hostname/manual/ and the trailing slash is
> necessary...but this isn't always, or hasn't always been the case in
> the past.  For example, 'http://hostname' works w/ or w/out the
> slash.  It's a niggly thing and really not of huge importance, but I'd
> like to understand this.
>
> What declaration/dirctive defines this behavior?

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Re: url help

[Ronnie Gauthier]

thanks to all who checked. Now I have to go up there and see what she is not 
doing right. A bit if help on her design might not be bad either.


On Wednesday 24 October 2001 15:50, Ian Marchak wrote:
> Quoting Ronnie Gauthier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > can someone go to
> > http://www.americaneagletradingco.com
> > I set this domain up and all seems ok but the client says they cant
> > reach it
> > from their ISP.
>
> It must be their ISP...
>
> AMERICAN EAGLE TRADING CO
> US HWY 2 SPREAD EAGLE WI
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url help

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can someone go to 
http://www.americaneagletradingco.com
I set this domain up and all seems ok but the client says they cant reach it 
from their ISP.
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Re: site license

[Ronnie Gauthier]

Naw, keep em for coasters.

On Wednesday 24 October 2001 01:35, Jerry McBride wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:14:39 -0500 Ronnie Gauthier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> wrote:
> > anyone have an unused 5 seat license for MS office 97 they want to sell?
> > I figure somewhere somwone here had to switch to Star and can help.
> > Possibly also/either any office 97 CD's you no longer use might work.
>
> I've got windows 3.1 on floppies if you need a copy... ;')

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Re: CD-R media

[Ronnie Gauthier]

Its possible. A bit ago there was some study that found a surface eating 
thingy on CD stored in high humidity. Its also possible that your drive is 
dead. What speed are you burning at, what speed is the media?


On Wednesday 24 October 2001 01:51, Tim Wunder wrote:
> Hi folks,
> Not really a linux question. But y'all are experts on everything, so I'll
> ask...
> I've been having issues with the last 6 or 7 CD's I've burned. Excessive
> skips throughout. I'm wondering if it's because of the media. The CD-R's I
> have are more than a year old and have been in my basement the entire time.
> My basement is subject to high fluctuations in temperature and humidity as
> the seasons change (it's neither heated, nor air conditioned). Could the
> media be the source of my problems?
> The drive is a yamaha 6416 SCSI and I get the problem whether I burn at 6x
> or 4x. The buffer rarely goes below 98%. I've tried from both linux and
> Windows with equally poor results.
> Any thoughts? I'm now out of CD-Rs and need to buy some. Any
> recommendations on brand, or are they all the same? I primarily burn music,
> but some data. Regards,
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site license

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anyone have an unused 5 seat license for MS office 97 they want to sell? I 
figure somewhere somwone here had to switch to Star and can help. Possibly 
also/either any office 97 CD's you no longer use might work.

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Re: Apache: secure access

[Ronnie Gauthier]

Not sure what you really want to do.
What you are doing now will encrypt the data sent from the client to the 
server. You may wnat to look at .htaccess/.htpasswd for what you are trying 
to do. Which is, I think, having user authentication before access is granted 
to view/edit the calendar.

On Monday 01 October 2001 16:01, Tim Wunder wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm looking to allow only secure access to webcal (a web-based calendar)
> from the internet. I also want to allow non-secure access to other web
> pages serverd by the webserver. I think I understand how to fdo this, but I
> don't know for sure.
>
> I've read an SSL How-To at linuxdoc.org regarding creating a secure
> webserver with RedHat, http://linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/SSL-RedHat-HOWTO.html, and
> followed most of the instructions for creating a .key and a .crt file. The
> step I'm stumbling on is configuring the webserver.
>as
> The document provides a sample virtual host config for httpd.conf as
> follows: 
>DocumentRoot /etc/httpd/htdocs
>ServerName www.somewhere.com
>ServerAdmin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>ErrorLog /etc/httpd/logs/error_log
>TransferLog /etc/httpd/logs/access_log
>SSLEngine on
>SSLCertificateFile /etc/httpd/conf/ssl.crt/server.crt
>SSLCertificateKeyFile /etc/httpd/conf/ssl.key/server.key
>SSLCACertificateFile /etc/httpd/conf/ssl.crt/ca-bundle.crt
>
>  SSLOptions +StdEnvVars
>
>
>  SSLOptions +StdEnvVars
>
>SetEnvIf User-Agent ".*MSIE.*" nokeepalive ssl-unclean-shutdown
>CustomLog /etc/httpd/logs/ssl_request_log \
>  "%t %h %{SSL_PROTOCOL}x %{SSL_CIPHER}x \"%r\" %b"
> 
>
> But doesn't this make the entire web site a secure host, or would it be
> just cgi scripts and shtml pages? How would I set this up so that only
> webcal requires a secure connection? How do I set it up so that Webcal will
> NOT accept an insecure connection? Do I configure that in the  and
>  sections? Like this...
>
>  SSLOptions +StdEnvVars
>
>
>  SSLOptions +StdEnvVars
>
>
> Would that require connections to /cgi-bin/webcal/webcal.cgi be
> secure? I THINK that's what it does, but I wanted to run it by folks who've
> done this sort of thing before.
>
> As always, any help is appreciated and thanks for listening.
>
> Tim
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click-a-can

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Campbell soup donation for NY.Click to have Campbell donate a can. Free, not 
a scam.

Oh, if you dont have a teamgo pack go.(green bay packers)

http://www.chunky.com/click_for_cans.asp


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Re: Arithmetic with dates and times

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opps, grabed an old file to copy from

add

$yr=$year-100; above the $date= line

On Saturday 22 September 2001 07:43, Joel Hammer wrote:
> Is there a builtin function to use with bash scripts to manipulate dates,
> for example, to subtract two dates or two times and get the difference
> between them?
> Thanks,
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Re: Arithmetic with dates and times

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In perl there are three basic time routines, time, timelocal(), and 
localtime(). time returns current date/time in seconds since 1/1/70.
localtime() returns $sec,$min,$hour,$mday,$mon,$year,$wday,$yday,$isdst
of the date/time when used. Its reverse is timelocal(),((use Time::Local;) to 
get at this subroutine) which returns the reverse, because you have to get 
the secondes of a date earlier than *now* before you can work with it.
All the strings returned are numeric, so for ex. $hour is 0,1,2...23 but 
globalized by 
@hour = (midnight,one,two,three...twelve,one,two,three..eleven) or
@hour = ("12","1","2"..."12","1","2"..."11") to get rid of the ugly 0 hour.
and returned by something like
$now=time;
($hour_text) = (localtime($now))[2];

I cut this out of a contest script I run, should give you an idea of how perl 
uses time() and localtime(). One thing to remember, timelocal() wont do a 
date earlier than 1970.

##
## Called with &get_date for date now 
## Called with &get_date($mtime) where mtime is a previous date in seconds
##
sub get_date
{
@day = (Sun,Mon,Tue,Wed,Thu,Fri,Sat);
@month = ("01","02","03","04","05","06","07","08","09","10","11","12");
$p = "/";
$pp = "20";

$mtime = time unless ($mtime);
($mday,$mon,$yr) = (localtime($mtime))[3,4,5];

$date = "$month[$mon]$p$mday$p$pp$yr";

}

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> Is there a builtin function to use with bash scripts to manipulate dates,
> for example, to subtract two dates or two times and get the difference
> between them?
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Re: Webserver config (permissions?)

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No I didnt, no reason to. It has to do with internal redirects. Which is what 
happens as there is no real ~dad/ just whatever/whatever/dad/, if you specify 
a file you obviously dont need a trailing slash.

On Friday 21 September 2001 21:13, Tim Wunder wrote:
> Hi Ronnie,
>
> Previously, Ronnie Gauthier chose to write:
> > Any normal web page or graphic whould be rw-r-r
> > try 24.249.182.134:8192/~dad/
> > note the trailing slash
>
> I guess you didn't try accessing my server with that, did you (there's
> nothing in my access_log)? It seems, now, that 192.168.1.2/~dad/ works, but
> 192.168.1.2/~dad doesn't. So that could be right. But I don't remember that
> being the case last night.
>
> FYI, snippets from my error_log:
> [Fri Sep 21 09:00:39 2001] [error] [client 162.33.157.18] Invalid method in
> request <80>F^A^C^A
> [Fri Sep 21 09:00:40 2001] [error] [client 162.33.157.18] Invalid method in
> request <80>F^A^C
> [Fri Sep 21 09:00:45 2001] [error] [client 162.33.157.18] Invalid method in
> request <80>F^A^C
> [Fri Sep 21 09:00:54 2001] [error] [client 162.33.157.18] Invalid method in
> request <80>F^A^C
> [Fri Sep 21 09:01:03 2001] [error] [client 162.33.157.18] Invalid method in
> request <80>F^A^C
>
> I haven't the foggiest notion what "Invalid method in request <80>" means.
> 162.33.157.18 is the IP address of my router at work.
>
> and from my access_log:
> 162.33.157.18 - - [21/Sep/2001:08:59:56 -0400] "GET /~dad HTTP/1.1" 301 308
> 162.33.157.18 - - [21/Sep/2001:09:00:09 -0400] "GET /~dad HTTP/1.1" 301 308
> 162.33.157.18 - - [21/Sep/2001:09:00:39 -0400] "<80>F^A^C^A" 501 -
> 162.33.157.18 - - [21/Sep/2001:09:00:40 -0400] "<80>F^A^C" 501 -
> 162.33.157.18 - - [21/Sep/2001:09:00:45 -0400] "<80>F^A^C" 501 -
> 162.33.157.18 - - [21/Sep/2001:09:00:54 -0400] "<80>F^A^C" 501 -
> 162.33.157.18 - - [21/Sep/2001:09:01:03 -0400] "<80>F^A^C" 501 -
>
> Because of restrictions with my router, I can't test my config. The router
> will not do port forwarding if the source of the request is from the
> internal network.
>
> 
>
> Thanks,
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Re: Webserver config (permissions?)

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Any normal web page or graphic whould be rw-r-r
try 24.249.182.134:8192/~dad/
note the trailing slash

On Friday 21 September 2001 19:03, Tim Wunder wrote:
> Hi folks,
> I've managed to configure my home OpenLinux box as a webserver. I can
> connect to my box thru my freesco router using port 8192 (which gets
> forwarded to my 192.168.1.2:80 port -- to keep @home off my back) and can
> bring up the generic index.html page that comes with OpenLinux. The problem
> I'm having comes when I try to connect to my $home/public_html direcotry's
> main.htm page (added as a default page to the httpd.conf file). When I
> tried to connect to 24.249.182.134:8192/~dad from work, I got a permission
> error (cannot access 192.168.1.2 - or something like that -- I can't test
> it from home) The permissions on my public_html directory are drwxr-xr-x
> The permissions on my main.htm page in the public_html directory are (were)
> -rw-r--r--
> My home directory is rwx--x--x
> Should the html pages have executable permission in order for the world to
> have access? I executed 'chmod +x' on the files and I can access the page
> from my son's PC @ 192.168.1.5, but I can't test it from the outside world.
>
> Thanks,
> Tim
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Re: KDE2 - removing applet from kicker

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I run Mandrake and had the same problem you describe. My solution after 
banging my head against the mutitude of KDE files was to use my installation 
disk and choose 'upgrade" then use only the last option and (re)configured 
the GUI. It worked, the taskbar was free of the applets I had stupidly 
installed. Overkill I'm sure but I could not find any other way to rid myself 
of that java junk. I also vowed never again to use any java taskbar apps.


On Thursday 20 September 2001 13:16, John Hiemenz wrote:
> KDE 2.1.2
>
> Adding an applet to the kicker (taskbar) is simple enough, but is
> anyone able to clue me how to remove an applet from same?

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Re: Web-based Calendaring

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Go look at ical from Brown Bear Software. It is a windows based server 
calendering system. Runs on W95 and up. It is a good way to run a non IIS web 
server on a 95/98 box. I cant vouche for its security but have not heard of 
any problems.
http://www.brownbearsw.com


On Thursday 20 September 2001 13:34, Tim Wunder wrote:
> Thanks. I did see that and it looked interesting. It was one of the first
> few to pop up on a google search. Glad to hear of someone who uses, and
> likes, it. The good news is that we'd have to migrate the fathers club web
> site to a linux-based web server. Actually, it looked good enough for me to
> try downloading and using on my RedHat server here at work.
>
> Thanks,
> Tim
>


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Re: CNN poll

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That is the smart and prudent thing to do. Nothing would start a divide 
quicker than a heated national debate on our freedoms/privacy and how far the 
restrictions should go. It is not a subject that would be rationally debated 
by either side nor would it do any real good except to tell the world we have 
already forsaken national solidarity and are back to our usual internal 
bickerings.


On Thursday 20 September 2001 12:39, Douglas J. Hunley wrote:
> On Thursday 20 September 2001 10:46, Net Llama babbled:
> > I see no such poll.  The only poll that i see asks how long the US
> > should wait before retaliating. *shrug*
>
> damn.. they changed it. I just checked and the poll you describe is up...
> that's weird...
>
> it was there... I *swear*

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Re: nimda worm

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Wow, sorry. I have not had that kind of trouble. I did find that Opera tried 
to DL the .eml file.  Never had any .eml or .nws files grow on my box. I 
really dont understand how that many .eml and .nws files could get to your 
box unless it was some type of javascript problem where it looped for some 
reason.

On Thursday 20 September 2001 10:54, Bill Day wrote:
> Hell dont do it with any box.. I have been cleaning out *.eml and *.nws
> files for hours
>
> There were some 4000 eml files in just my home directory around 600 nws
>
> for a while I couldnt get my kde2 desktop to run.. i could log in it would
> load up then my screen would go blank.. dont know why.. something was
> trying to start kwrite and such
>
> so I logged in as root for a short time find all files *.eml *.nws and
> deleted them  seem to be ok now...
>
> 
>
> > > On Wednesday 19 September 2001 16:59, you wrote:
> > > > Dont do this with a win box!
> > > >
> > > > Go here. read the page source. Note the javascript
> > > > http://208.163.77.109
> > > >
> > > > then get
> > > > http://208.163.77.109/readme.eml
> > > >
> > > > is this what the virus does on its own or is this site setup to
> > > > infect on purpose?

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Re: Dedicated hosting (Cobalt Raq)

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I use the Raq4's. Installation and setups are easy, they are fairly solid and 
based on redhat 6.0. Cobalt has nice support pages and online security 
updates with their own RPM installer. All maint and updates can be done via 
browser on :81. One thing, you cant heavily reconfig or mess with them too 
much or Sun considers your warranty void, as long as you keep updates in they 
do warranty the software.  I do find Sun a bit more stiffer on giving free 
support that cobalt was but they have helped me with the reply of "this time 
but next time you pay." And yes, it was our fault the box died, but they did 
help although we did have to buy the restore disk. So I guess it depends on 
your host, do you support yourself or do they keep your box running and 
updated.

Go to http://cobalt.com for more info on the boxes.

We host, just what are your requirements and intended use? 
We dont do porn, warez, hate, or search engines/software repositories.



On Wednesday 19 September 2001 16:47, Federico Voges wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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>
> Hi,
>
> I'm searching for a dedicated hosting provider.
>
> Anyone has experience with these servers (Raq3/Raq4)??
>
> Besides that: Anyone can comment on any of this providers??
>
> RackShack: http://www.rackshack.net/ (There's not much info/details
> about their services. Subsidiary of Everyones Internet)
>
> Dialtone Internet: http://www.dialtone.com/ (They've called me by
> phone USA->Argentina. They've offered me an interesting plan)
>
> TIA,
>
>
>
>
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nimda worm

[Ronnie Gauthier]

Dont do this with a win box!

Go here. read the page source. Note the javascript
http://208.163.77.109

then get 
http://208.163.77.109/readme.eml

is this what the virus does on its own or is this site setup to infect on 
purpose?

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Re: [OT] Re: I am afraid...

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Not your normal police procedures but most definently standard swat or cert 
procedure.

On Wednesday 19 September 2001 00:18, Chang wrote:
> I thought you were about police procedures... be civilized a little bit...
>
> Ronnie Gauthier wrote:
> >uh, http://www.remington.com
> >
> >On Tuesday 18 September 2001 01:03, Chang wrote:
> >>you guys interseted me,. where is the full documentation for these?
> >>iinternal useonly? or you guys were playing with numbers? :)
> >>
>

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Final Cost

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Crosby-Stills-Nash
Anyone catch them on Leno?

The only thing that scares me about the whole thing is what the final cost of 
freedom will really be.

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Re: fighting the worm (enough of this already)

[Ronnie Gauthier]

If the ISP has a clue they have also closed 81 as most servers answer 81 for 
admin use.

On Tuesday 18 September 2001 21:33, Joel Hammer wrote:
> This wouldn't be hard to get around. Just register with a company to get
> your own domain name and have them maintain it for you ($35 per year?),
> then redirect it to your home IP to port, say 81, with apache listening to
> port 81.
> Windows users are such a drag. Really. But, they help support the economy
> and like, everybody has to be somewhere.
> Joel
>
> > My ISP has baanned port 80 (not good actually) after the first code-red
> > worm. They haven't lifted the ban yet.
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Re: need quick/simple perl help!

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use Carp;

On Tuesday 18 September 2001 19:46, Douglas J. Hunley wrote:
> On Tuesday 18 September 2001 20:36, Douglas J. Hunley babbled:
> > On Tuesday 18 September 2001 18:50, Alan Jackson babbled:
> > > Untested.
> >
> > testing now .
> > thanks alan!
>
> shit! complains about unquoted "carp" ... when I change that to "die" then
> I get a 500 server error from Apache..

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Re: more of the damn kiddies

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Short article and a link to patches. This infects both IIS servers and IE 
broswers so both need to be patched. The article links to M$'s site but there 
are no new patches, just the code red crap. Figures, MS falls on its face 
again.

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010918/tc/tech_worm_dc_2.html
On Tuesday 18 September 2001 13:51, Bill Campbell wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 11:23:41AM -0700, Vern W Heesch wrote:
> >Excuse my ignorance, but is this any threat to Linux and Apache?
>
> It's main danger is that it can fill up your disk with log entries.  I
> turned off the packet logging on our Linux router because our syslog grew
> 3.5mb in less than a half-hour with packets rejected with destination
> addresses to unused subnets in one of our class Cs.
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Re: more of the damn kiddies

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I am measuring in gigs now my log file increases. I have twin 18G drives in 
my cobalt boxs and I'm to the point of seriously considering not logging and 
only turing it on for individual sites when they complain. Most of my site 
owners have no clue to their log files anyways. I'm really starting to get 
annoyed with billy's lapse of security in his products and his unwillingness 
to acknoweledge those defects as a real threat to the internet. His lack of 
responsible care and M$'s PR campaign against the real threat their product 
introduce to the net on a whole is a total slap in the face towards those of 
us who do our best to keep the net a safe place for our clients.

On Tuesday 18 September 2001 13:51, Bill Campbell wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 11:23:41AM -0700, Vern W Heesch wrote:
> >Excuse my ignorance, but is this any threat to Linux and Apache?
>
> It's main danger is that it can fill up your disk with log entries.  I
> turned off the packet logging on our Linux router because our syslog grew
> 3.5mb in less than a half-hour with packets rejected with destination
> addresses to unused subnets in one of our class Cs.
>
> >On Tuesday 18 September 2001 10:51 am, you wrote:
> >> See my post on 'new virus"
> >>
> >> On Tuesday 18 September 2001 11:15, Sys Admin wrote:
> >> > I'm seeing a lot of HTTP requests for:
> >> > /MSADC/root.exe
> >> > /scripts/root.exe
> >> >
> >> > anyone know what exploit the kiddies are looking for?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks!
> >> >
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Re: Special Report

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Correct. So all that is needed is to bore and chamfer/polish the breech 
chamber to fit the .308 brass. But in your grouping the 30-06 is a "long" 
shell, the rest are short. Has to do with the length of the action or throw 
of the bolt. The 06 is classed in the "magnum" length.
the basics are 30 carbine, 30-30, 303, 30-40, 308, 30-06, 300. The lengths 
are carbine, normal(short), magnum(long). This does not take into account 
belted vs. non-belted. Again, these are the standard shells and I made no 
mention of varients of these and also what are called wildcats such as the 
308-08 which is a 308 necked to an 8mm or the 300-07 which is a 300winchester 
necked down to a 7mm. 

On Monday 17 September 2001 18:13, burns wrote:
> On September 18, 2001 12:35 am, Ronnie Gauthier wrote:
> > All you need to have is boring and chamfering done to match the .308
> > brass, nothing else as they are both short shells. Most .303's I've seen
> > are shot out and not too accurate. Good enough for 100 yard deer guns but
> > not 300 yards or more. So unless you are doing it because you cant find
> > .303 shells where you live, fine, otherwise don't waste money on it. Go
> > to a gun show and get parts left and right for the mini-30.
> >
> > On Monday 17 September 2001 22:45, dep wrote:
> > > On Monday 17 September 2001 22:59, Ronnie Gauthier wrote:
> > > | A seagull told me that the UK is going to do some house cleaning
> > > | soon.
> > >
> > > true. and i have my jungle carbine -- i heard that they can be
> > > rechambered to .308, but i don't know the details (hell -- i don't
> > > know anybody who can fix the bore of my mini-30, either) -- right
> > > here. and if the saladin horde comes up the hill -- well, it wouldn't
> > > be a crowd exactly unfamiliar with the .303 message.
>
> I was under the understanding that the 30:30, 308, 3006, 303, etc. were all
> 30 caliber bores but had differences in the design of the cartridge. The
> history of the numerical designation varies, as an example the "30 ought 6"
> was supposedly first designed in 1906.

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New worm on the loose

[Ronnie Gauthier]

Got this from another list I'm on. I have not checked it out but Rsk is 
reliable and virtually hoax proof.


A new worm that hits Windows/IIS is loose this morning.  It's spreading
VERY fast...my logs are scrolling so quickly that I can't even read them.
Reports are coming in on nanog, inet-access, and isp-webhosting.
See below for one vendor's analysis.

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> From: "Braun, Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 08:33:36 -0700
> Subject: FW: Worm probes
> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
> I received this warning from TruSecure regarding the latest worm attack.
>
> Mike Braun
> First American CREDCO
>
> -Original Message-
> TruSecure ALERT- TSA 01-023 - W32.nimda.a.mm
>
> Date: September 18, 2001
> Time:  1000 EDT
>
> RISK INDICES:
>
> Initial Assessment: RED HOT
>
> Threat: VERY HIGH, (rapidly increasing)
>
> Vulnerability Prevalence: VERY HIGH, effects IIS servers version 4.0,
> 5.0, and internal networks.
>
> Cost: High, command execution is possible
>
> Vulnerable Systems:  IIS 4.0 and 5.0
>
> SUMMARY:
> A new IIS worm is spreading rapidly.  Its working name is Nimda:
> W32.nimda.a.mm
>
> It started about 9am eastern time today, Tuesday,September 18, 2001,
> Mulitple sensors world-wide run by TruSecure corporation are getting
> multiple hundred hits per hour. And began at 9:08am am.
>
> The worm seems to be targeting IIS 4 and 5 boxes and tests boxes for
> multiple vulnerabilities including:
>
> Almost all are get scripts, and a get msadc (cmd.exe)
> get_mem_bin
> vti_bin  owssvr.dll
> Root.exe
> CMD.EXE
> ../  (Unicode)
> Getadmin.dll
> Default.IDA
> /Msoffice/  cltreq.asp
>
> This is not code red or a code red variant.
>
> The worm, like code red attempts to infect its local sub net first,
> then spreads beyond the local address space.
>
> It is spreading very rapidly.
>
> TruSecure  believes that this worm will infect any IIS 4 and IIS 5
> box with well known vulnerabilities.  We believe that there are
> nearly 1Million such machines currently exposed to the Internet.
>
> Risks Indices:
> Vulnerability   VULNERABILITY  PREVALANCE is very high - Milllions of
> Internet Web server hosts:   TruSecure process and essential
> configurations should generally be protective.  The vulnerability
> prevalence world-wide is very high
>
> Threat - VERY HIGH and Growing The rate of growth and spread is
> exceedingly rapid - significantly faster than any worm to date and
> significantly faster than any variant of Code red.
>
> Cost --  Unknown, probably moderate per infected system.
>
>
> The worm itself is a file called
> README.EXE, or ADMIN.DLL
> a 56K file which is advertised as an audio xwave mime type file.
>
> Other RISKS:
> There is risk of DOS of network segments by traffic volume alone
> There is large risk of successful attack to both Internet exposed IIS
> boxes and to developer and Intranet boxes inside of corporations.
>
> Judging by the Code Red II experience, we expect many subtle routes
> of infection leading to inside corporate infections.
>
> We cannot discount the coincidence of the date and time of release,
> exactly one week to (probably to the minute) as the World Trade
> Center attack .
>
>
> REPLICATION:
> There are at least three mechanisms of spread:
> The worm seems to spread both by a direct IIS across Internet (IP
> spread)
> It probably also spreads by local shares.  (this is not known for
> sure at this time)
> There is also an email vector where README.EXE is sent via email to
> numerous accounts.
>
> Mitigations
> TruSecure essential practices should work.
> Block all email with EXE attachments
> Filter for README.EXE
> Make sure IIS boxes are well patched and hardened, or removed from
> both the Internet and Intranets.
> Make sure any developer computing platforms are not running IIS of
> any version (many do so by default if either.
> Disconnect mail from the Internet
> Advise users not to double click on any unexpected attachments.
> Update anti-virus when your vendor has the signature.

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Re: more of the damn kiddies

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See my post on 'new virus"

On Tuesday 18 September 2001 11:15, Sys Admin wrote:
> I'm seeing a lot of HTTP requests for:
> /MSADC/root.exe
> /scripts/root.exe
>
> anyone know what exploit the kiddies are looking for?
>
> Thanks!
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Re: I am afraid...

[Ronnie Gauthier]

sorry it is now superceeded by Browning rule 9mm.

On Tuesday 18 September 2001 08:18, Glenn Williams wrote:
> On Monday 17 September 2001 20:07, you wrote:
> > On Monday 17 September 2001 21:07, Chang wrote:
> > | Then find out why Ladden did it? Talk to him before making a
> > | military arrest.  :)
> >
> > as i understand it, our arrest of him will be under a provision of
> > british military law, rule .303. we had a version of that, rule .308,
> > but we wimped out and now are stuck with our own rule .223.
>
> How about this rule: U.S. Pistol, cal .45, M1911A1
>
> Glenn

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Re: Special Report

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I routinly shoot does in the head with a .22 high standard "victor". I like 
the ones you can tie the legs together and carry then like a shoulder strap 
bag.
Stainless breeches are noted for leading problems.

On Tuesday 18 September 2001 00:45, dep wrote:
> On Tuesday 18 September 2001 00:35, Ronnie Gauthier wrote:
> | All you need to have is boring and chamfering done to match the
> | .308 brass, nothing else as they are both short shells. Most .303's
> | I've seen are shot out and not too accurate. Good enough for 100
> | yard deer guns but not 300 yards or more. So unless you are doing
> | it because you cant find .303 shells where you live, fine,
> | otherwise dont waste money on it. Go to a gun show and get parts
> | left and right for the mini-30.
>
> the jungle carbine is absolutely mint -- and no, it's not one of the
> repros. maybe 500 rounds through it.
>
> as to deer -- it would take a lot of work to get the deer to move
> back 100 yards. i personally know of -- no names here -- someone who
> last fall took down a big doe at about 20 feet with a benjamin .22
> pellet gun, eight pumps, shot to the forehead. i mean, pop, down, no
> movement -- or so i'm told. and i heard that it fed us well for most
> of the winter, but i cannot confirm it.
>
> the problem with the mini is that ruger seems not to have measured
> the slug and the bore is too frigging small. it's not bad with
> linotype metal slugs, if spending a few hours getting rid of the
> leading is of no concern -- one can chamber an empty full of mercury
> and do it that way, though a lewis lead remover in 7.62 would be nice
> -- but it's just stupid to screw around with casting and reloading,
> given how cheap jacketed stuff is. and here in the oh so correct
> northeast, gun shows are pretty rare.

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Re: I am afraid...

[Ronnie Gauthier]

My personal choice is a 12ga with 00

On Tuesday 18 September 2001 01:38, dep wrote:
> On Tuesday 18 September 2001 02:03, Chang wrote:
> | you guys interseted me,. where is the full documentation for these?
> | iinternal useonly? or you guys were playing with numbers? :)
>
> we're talking the calibre of service longarms. .303 is the standard
> british cartridge of most of the 20th century. .308 is the ballsy
> nato cartridge, while .223 is the pipsqueak m-16 round. (throughout
> history, he who has the biggest bore wins the war.) .50 is a dandy
> big-bore cartridge; .45, though not mentioned, is what will greet and
> instantly stop anybody coming uninvited through the front door here
> if i can't get to the shotgun.

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Re: I am afraid...

[Ronnie Gauthier]

uh, http://www.remington.com

On Tuesday 18 September 2001 01:03, Chang wrote:
> you guys interseted me,. where is the full documentation for these?
> iinternal useonly? or you guys were playing with numbers? :)
>
> Ronnie Gauthier wrote:
> >I think that shortly we will be able to use rule .270 or .300 under the
> >personal choice option.
> >Also, I do believe that rule .50 should be seriously considered as a good
> >long range solution.
> >
> >On Monday 17 September 2001 21:07, dep wrote:
> >>On Monday 17 September 2001 21:07, Chang wrote:
> >>| Then find out why Ladden did it? Talk to him before making a
> >>| military arrest.  :)
> >>
> >>as i understand it, our arrest of him will be under a provision of
> >>british military law, rule .303. we had a version of that, rule .308,
> >>but we wimped out and now are stuck with our own rule .223.
>
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Re: New York WTC

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The IMF is not going to hold the meeting and the protest has already been 
canceled.

On Tuesday 18 September 2001 00:31, dep wrote:
> On Monday 17 September 2001 12:06, burns wrote:
> || A thinly disguised front for what otherwise would be the The
> |
> | Coomunist League of America, Anarchists R Us, and the National
> | Front for the Liberation & Promotion of Almost Everyone that
> | Doesn't Earn a Paycheck Through Honest Work.
>
> damn straight. don't be surprised if the 29 september rally gets
> canceled. they're aware that there will be tens of thousands of
> people there to "greet" them.

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Re: Special Report

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All you need to have is boring and chamfering done to match the .308 brass, 
nothing else as they are both short shells. Most .303's I've seen are shot 
out and not too accurate. Good enough for 100 yard deer guns but not 300 
yards or more. So unless you are doing it because you cant find .303 shells 
where you live, fine, otherwise dont waste money on it. Go to a gun show and 
get parts left and right for the mini-30.

On Monday 17 September 2001 22:45, dep wrote:
> On Monday 17 September 2001 22:59, Ronnie Gauthier wrote:
> | A seagull told me that the UK is going to do some house cleaning
> | soon.
>
> true. and i have my jungle carbine -- i heard that they can be
> rechambered to .308, but i don't know the details (hell -- i don't
> know anybody who can fix the bore of my mini-30, either) -- right
> here. and if the saladin horde comes up the hill -- well, it wouldn't
> be a crowd exactly unfamiliar with the .303 message.

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I wonder

[Ronnie Gauthier]

Do you know that when Pakistan detonated their last nuclear test 
there was a quake two days later, a 7.0 in Afghanistan. They both sit on the 
same fault. What if you just setup on the northern border of Afghanistan and 
drill a nice deep series of holes. Like you were drilling for oil.Then you 
loaded it with small nukes at say 1, 9000, 8000 feet. Would that crumple 
most caves around for miles? You just have to know the area he is in, not the 
exact spot. the ecos are placitated because the radiation is contained, the 
country just suffers a significant(9.0 eathquake) natural disaster. The UN 
aid comes flooding in and the tribes are back to their good old fueding over 
poppy fields.



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Re: Special Report

[Ronnie Gauthier]

These guys can figure a way to smoke him out.
http://www.mn.afrl.af.mil/public/ordnance.html

On Monday 17 September 2001 21:33, dep wrote:
> On Monday 17 September 2001 22:09, Chang wrote:
> | you sure that you got the chance fior that? Ladden may just kill
> | himself to keep his people alive.
>
> well, it won't help them, but if you run into him and think there's a
> chance of it, don't tell him.

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Re: Special Report

[Ronnie Gauthier]

A seagull told me that the UK is going to do some house cleaning soon.

On Monday 17 September 2001 21:05, dep wrote:
> On Monday 17 September 2001 21:00, stayler wrote:
> | WEATHER REPORT FOR KABUL, AFGHANISTAN
> |
> | Today, partly sunny, temp in the 80s and winds from the west at 10
> | mph. Tomorrow, sunny in the morning, temperatures rising in the
> | afternoon to 3000
> | degrees
> | and winds approaching 750 mph.
> | Have a nice day.
>
> you may be close to right. we're removing all nonessential americans
> from pakistan. and we have a little something else going on that will
> astound you. and no, it doesn't have anything directly to do with
> your forecast.

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Re: I am afraid...

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I think that shortly we will be able to use rule .270 or .300 under the 
personal choice option.
Also, I do believe that rule .50 should be seriously considered as a good 
long range solution.

On Monday 17 September 2001 21:07, dep wrote:
> On Monday 17 September 2001 21:07, Chang wrote:
> | Then find out why Ladden did it? Talk to him before making a
> | military arrest.  :)
>
> as i understand it, our arrest of him will be under a provision of
> british military law, rule .303. we had a version of that, rule .308,
> but we wimped out and now are stuck with our own rule .223.

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Re: New York WTC

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guess it is a bit unfair, bout the same way as saying we did this to 
ourselves.
On Monday 17 September 2001 10:56, dep wrote:
> On Monday 17 September 2001 11:22, Ronnie Gauthier wrote:
> | Why dont you burn your pasport and go have some crepes and fruit,
> | you have been away from meat and potatoes too long.
>
> unfair. roger has explained his meaning, and he's one of the good
> guys. you wanna see the bad guys, look here:
>
> http://www.beatbackbush.org/index1.html

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Re: New York WTC

[Ronnie Gauthier]

I see that the basic intent of my statement is well understood though.

On Monday 17 September 2001 10:45, Olle Viksten wrote:
> måndagen den 17 september 2001 17.22 you wrote:
> > Why dont you burn your pasport and go have some crepes and fruit, you
> > have been away from meat and potatoes too long.
>
> FYI Meat and potatoes is somewhat of a staple diet here in Sweden. :-) And
> we don't have crepes we have pannkakor.
>
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Re: New York WTC

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Not a fair use of "hitler"

On Monday 17 September 2001 10:49, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> It seems like Hitler once thought like this.
>
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> On Monday 17 September 2001 10:58, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
> | So we stay. But in the context of my very first sentence, the next
> | statement explained why HE, BIN LADEN, WHO'S POINT OF VIEW I WAS
> | PRESENTING, feels this is a problem. Perhaps that was not clear
> | enough in the opening line of my post.
>
> if i misread you, i apologize. we're starting to hear bigtime from
> the blame america first crowd, and i have no patience for them. i've
> seen several people put forward the arguments you made as if they
> were gospel, and again, i'm sorry if i interpreted your remarks as
> being along that line, which in my estimation is intolerable.
>
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Re: New York WTC

[Ronnie Gauthier]

Our main concesion to Pakistan is the layoff of $30B in debt they owe us.

On Monday 17 September 2001 09:58, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 09:49:20 -0400
>
> dep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | On Monday 17 September 2001 08:09, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
> | | But if we look at the bin Laden complaint against the US:
> | |
> | |   - The US currently has a state of military occupation in
> | | KSA (Saudi Arabia). The US came when Iraq acted up, but they
> | | have not left.
> |
> | we have been asked to stay, repeatedly and continuously, by the saudi
> | royal family.
>
> So we stay. But in the context of my very first sentence, the next
> statement explained why HE, BIN LADEN, WHO'S POINT OF VIEW I WAS
> PRESENTING, feels this is a problem. Perhaps that was not clear enough in
> the opening line of my post.
>
> | |   - bin Laden has problems with the KSA royal family. He, and
> | | many others too afraid to say so, would prefer a proper
> | | Islamic setup, perhaps like in Iran these days. However,
> | | the US is, effectively, supporting continued suppression of
> | | the Saudi peoples by their support of the royal family.
> |
> | "proper islamic setup"? you, sir, are guilty of perhaps the greatest
> | ethnic slur that could be uttered, for you have in that statement
> | painted all islamic peoples with the bin laden brush. iran, shiite,
> | would love nothing more than to see all the sunnis fall, which
> | includes bin laden, afghanistan, iraq, and a substantial portion of
> | the arab world (iranians, by the way, are not arabs). in short, like
>
>  (Never said they were. But they are Moslem...)
>
> | so many europeans, you have no goddam idea what you're talking about.
>
> Not so.  I was stating how  bin Laden  sees it.
> And he does. If you do not understand your enemy, how do you expect to
> fight him? So, I do stand by my statement that it is what he wants.
> I did NOT say that the rest of the Islamic world wants or agrees with it.
> I do not think they do. But we were discussing bin Laden and his mind
> set - which is centered on these facts - whether everyone else agrees
> with him or not. This is what he believes. And it effects his activities
> and those of the rest of "the base".
>
> Perhaps I was too vague in saying that bin Laden wants an Islamic
> setup. OK. They want one as they define it, which is not the way most
> Moslems would do so. I was not stating a fact I agreed with, nor stating
> what Moslems world wide would like. I was stating what bin Laden wants.
> Whether it is a perverted interpretation of Islamic law is neither here
> nor there - it is what he wants. Which was all I was presenting. NOT
> agreeing with. Just describing.
>
> And he sees America as an obstacle to this. I did not say that was reality.
> Only his perception.
>
> (And, I'm not a god damned European. Just one of those god damned
> Americans. And, I feel have as much right to voice opinions as anyone. And,
> all any of us are doing here is just that. No topic we have brought up is
> so cut and dry that we are covering all aspects in our little e-mails. No
> matter what one of us writes, someone can point out a problem and shoot it
> full of holes.)
>
> | |   - So, he wants the US out of KSA so the country can move forward.
> | | As long as the US stays, he feels it is a military occupation
> | | that does more to support the royal family than to deter Iraq
> | | or increase peace in the area. And, peace in KSA and the Gulf at
> | | the price of attacks at home?
> |
> | your definition if forward is a peculiar one. and we do not give a
> | toot as to what he feels until what he feels is the fires of hell,
> | which shall be coming along to collect him shortly.
>
> 'forward' as HE sees it. That was the whole point. As HE sees it.
>
> Surely he is wrong. But I WANT to understand why someone would do this.
> I need to see what his point of view is. I need this to come to grips
> with things. September 11 was not a random act of hatred. So then what
> was it. What would a person have to believe in order to do such a thing?
>
> I have many friends who are Arabs. I am unsure how to relate to them now.
> They are my friends. What would it take for them to think like this? Could
> they? I listen to them as always. Do I hear the same thing? Have they
> been saying things I never paid close attention to but, if I know how
> bin Laden thinks, maybe I will hear a different meaning?
>
> This was what my exercise was all about.
>
> | | In no way does this justify September 11th.
> |
> | ah yes, the whole "the u.s. had it coming, but that's not to say that
> | the u.s. had it coming" crap we're beginning to hear from the
> | cheese-eating surrender monkeys of the world.
>
> You are reading into this other that was intended. The US did not have
> this comming. No one does. Ever. Period. If you knew me you would not
> feel this about my character. Your statemen

Re: New York WTC

[Ronnie Gauthier]

In basics it breaks down like this.
Bin-Laden needs money. Period. Now he has increased the output of opium in 
Afhganistan to double what it was, they are now the largest exporter of dried 
poppies in the east. His followers guard the shippments, Bin-Laden collects a 
10% tax on all opium exports. But he has a problem, he needs more money. 
Suadia Arabia is the country, in his mind, that can be most easily 
destabilized and couped. He does not give a rats ass about any country except 
as a money spigot. He does not givs a rats ass about any people save his own 
fanatical followers, and those are expendable.

On Monday 17 September 2001 10:00, Shawn Tayler wrote:
> Hello Roger,
>
> While I understand your position I must disagree.  The American
> presence in Saudi Arabia is by invitation of the Royal Family, no
> doubt, and most likely is helping them to stay in power to some extent.
>  Mr. bin Laden, is nothing more than a tin pot religious facist zealot
> who is looking to grab power in KSA.  He sees the power that the
> Theocracies in Iran and Afghanistan, dictatorial powers to kill and
> torture anyone he sees fit, all in the name of Allah of course.
> There's also all that money from selling oil to the Great Satan, the
> US.  Money and power, that is all this guy is after.
>
> Look at what happened in Iran around the fall of the Shah.  The
> fundamentalists promised an Islamic paradise, they even had the women
> wanting it, they paraded and protested in favor of the Clerics.  Now
> the country is little better than a police state.
>
> Religion and politics make for a deadly and voracious combination.
> History is full of examples, Europe during the Dark Ages, Utah in the
> US under mormon governace during the 18th century.  Its always easy to
> slaughter people you don't like when your imaginary friend says its
> ok
>
> On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:09:26 +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
> >In no way does this justify September 11th. But if the US would just
> >stay out of some problems, all might be better off. As to the concern over
> >oil, well, there are other sources than KSA. If an Islamic regime started
> >by cutting back on oil, then so be it. Conserve. It is possible.
> >
> >I still agree with Keith that terrorism will not go away. There will
> >never be a time when everyone is content. So why go out of your way
> >to be a target?
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Re: New York WTC

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Why dont you burn your pasport and go have some crepes and fruit, you have 
been away from meat and potatoes too long.

On Monday 17 September 2001 09:02, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 09:27:13 -0400
>
> dep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | On Monday 17 September 2001 03:30, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
> | | The US just has to accept the fact that they cannot make the world
> | | safe.
> |
> | i believe you will discover that we have lost all interest in making
> | the world safe and instead now shall make the u.s. safe, and if that
> | means draconian measures elsewhere, tough. if you look at our
> | national debt, you'll find that it in considerable measure comprises
> | money that we have given other countries in little trifles like the
> | marshall plan to rebuild europe at the end of world war II, in war
> | debt owed us by european countries that shall never repay it and
> | shall never be asked to repay it, in monies that we have given
>
> I write from Sweden, but I am an American. I have lived here many
> years, but I still have a US passport. I saw no advantage to not
> having one. These days, i dunno...
>
> | developing countries around the world -- we don't believe it's a
> | zero-sum game, instead that every nation and all peoples can prosper
> | -- and we're repaid with sniping, hatred, and, now, not only the
> | events of last tuesday but a substantial number of presumably well
> | meaning but startlingly naive people proposing that we some how
> | deserved it all.
> |
> | you will see our attitude changing. you will discover that you liked
> | our old attitude better.
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Re: web site won't work

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I like blue fish. check freshmeat.net
There are many pags with HTML design tips.
http://www.google.com/search?q=web+design+tutorial
and templates to get you started
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=free+webpage+templates
and javascripts
http://javascript.internet.com/


On Sunday 16 September 2001 20:12, Tim Wunder wrote:
> Previously, Alan Jackson chose to write:
> > On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 17:13:26 -0400  Tim Wunder wrote:
> > > Anyone care to recommend a web design tool for the neophite?
> >
> > I've written literally thousands of webpages over the past 9 years
>
> If I'd written thousands of webpages, I'm sure I could do it with vim.
> Since I've written, um, 0 webpages, I'd like something that'll give me a
> little help. I'm playing with the Quanta Plus Beta, which came with the
> OpenLinux 3.1, but the help doesn't appear to be installed. Perhaps I'll
> try it with Netscape's Composer (or maybe even Mozilla's...).
>
> > ...(yes,
> > ever since the beginning), and all I ever use is vim and sometimes the
> > editor in Netscape.
> >
> > But then I've coded many thousands of lines of code, and never used a
> > tool for that either, except for a text editor.
> >
> > Not using the fancy tools helps enforce the KISS principle as a
> > discipline.
>
> Well, that's the point of my trying to do this. I'd really like a simpler
> web page for the club, and fancy tools aren't necessary, just something
> that'll help the newbie along a little.
>
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Re: web site won't work

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It doesn't work on my NT4 IE5.00 box either. Building a functional webstie 
requires a bit of forethought and proper use of tools to reach your intended 
audience. This site would be fine for an intranet with IE 5.5 or better on 
all machines. Unfortunatly, for the internet and cross platform portability 
Frontpage might not meet your goals. Unless of course your goals are to limit 
your targeted audience to newer IE versions which I dont believe is your 
intent. If you use buttons and links you can have the same effect with 
javascript instead of java for the rollovers. 

Many use frontpage for internet use and its really only suited for intranet 
use if you use all the bells and whistles. FP is a prime example of why so 
many professionals distain its users as clueless newbies pretending they know 
whats going on. 

Different apps can be used to create the design but the basic process remains 
the same.

The basic layout is put down. Intended audiance, level of "glitz", ADA 
compliance, html level. Sections, catagories, departments, functions, 
whatever, any sub-sections and their individual pages. Logo design(if needed) 
and placement, motto, mission statement, slogan use/placement. Care is taken 
to keep every thing within two clicks.  Need header/footer, sub 
header/footer, PHP/SSI. Colors, borders, accent, background set. Theme set, 
framed, umframed, navigation, top/bottom/side, overall look, corporate, 
tecno, comtemporary, local/regional/geographical.Search engine placement. 
Server concerns, special configurations or apps. Scripted or DB's apps, 
searches, guestbooks,whatever. The use of graphics and their placement and 
what they should convey are discussed. This is done beween the designer(s) 
and the client/person incharge of the site. All the above may entail more 
than one meeting.

Content: gathered as soon as basic layout is set and edited to fit 
pages/content theme as needed. Pictures, slides, CD's are also gathered and 
grouped to their intended placement/use within the pages and headers/footers.
This can be either in-house or in conjunction with the clients people.

Content is finalized and pics/articles are selected for use. 

Index page design is done full sized in a graphic app. Header and footer 
created if needed. Individual buttons/texts made. Graphic sliced to create 
rollovers and load speed. Scanned pics/ articles whatever reduced/sized. 

Fully functional index page is created. Any catagory/sub-catagory, etc 
templates are created. Website structure/tree created. 

Templates are used as needed to insert content(into which the editors have 
thoughtfuly inserted breaks,para's,bolding,etc.). Scripts are also written to 
digest and format content into templates if needed. Much easier when you are 
talking 50,100,200 or more pages. scanner, doc feeder, OCR(omnipage), 
spellcheck, run through script. You can do the same for scanned graphics to 
size and convert a whole folder full.

end design for the web 101 intro

I do the scripting and batching on linux and designing on windows NT with 
Homesite, Photoshop/ImageReady. 


On Sunday 16 September 2001 16:13, Tim Wunder wrote:
> Unfortunately, you get what you pay for. Typically, the man who volunteers
> gets the job. As I am not a web designer, I'm reduced to bitching and
> moaning. The site doesn't come up for me at all with Konqui (oops, it does
> come up, sort of... takes forever to load the javascript buttons, but only
> partially, and looks bad -- man, it's no wonder nobody visits this site).
> It's also slow to load and looks bad using Netscape 4.7x and won't load
> with Mozilla under linux 'cause Moz don't know about the JM that I've got
> installed and I haven't told it about it yet (what it don't know won't hurt
> it). Perhaps I can improve it by changing my java install.
>
> Caldera's Workstation 3.1 apparently uses:
> [dad@ew31 dad]$ java -version
> java version "1.3.0"
> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition, root-20Apr2001-17:16
> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM, Caldera Systems, mixed mode
>
> Perhaps a change there would do some good. Any recommendations on Java
> clients?
>
> I reaIly wish he'd get rid of the freakin' java, though, I've complained to
> him several times. I typically don't surf with Java enabled. But... my
> pleas fall on deaf ears. The only choice I would seem to have is to
> volunteer to take over running the site. But that means learning web design
> and html.
>
> Anyone care to recommend a web design tool for the neophite?
>
> Regards,
> Tim
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Re: web site won't work

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Think this could have anything to do with it?
St. Ursula School's Fathers Club



On Sunday 16 September 2001 11:28, Tim Wunder wrote:
> Hi folks,
> My sons' school Fathers' Club has a web site that I can't seem to be able
> to navigate with any of the browsers I've used under linux. Actually, the
> only thing that seems to work is MSIE under Winders. On the off chance that
> I have some sort of config issue, can any of you folks check out
> www.stursula.org and see if you can get the site to come up properly with
> Konqui, Mozilla or Netscape? If you can get it to work, I'll back off on my
> my campaign against the web designer to fix the freakin' thing.
> Thanks,
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Re: A sad day

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My sympathies are with you and your family

On Saturday 15 September 2001 14:35, Shawn Tayler wrote:
> Its is with a very heavy heart that we must announce the passing of our
> daughter, Sydney K. Tayler.  Sydney was stillborn at 10:26PM, Sept 14,
> 2001.  We do not know the reason why Sydney was taken from us.  She was
> found to have no heart beat during a routine weekly checkup.  An
> ultrasound examination at Washoe Medical Center, confirmed that she had
> left us.
>
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Re: New York WTC

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Does Allah say anytihng about eunichs getting to heaven?!?


On Tuesday 11 September 2001 10:20, burns wrote:
> On September 11, 2001 10:43 pm, Ronnie Gauthier wrote:
> > A report on ABC just stated that New Jersey police have stopped and
> > detained two individuals driving a truck loaded with explosives.
> >
> > On Tuesday 11 September 2001 13:53, dep wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 11 September 2001 14:49, Kurt Wall wrote:
> > > | I pray you're wrong, my friend.
> > >
> > > me, too. never have i prayed so hard to be wrong.
>
> Good if true:
>
> 1) They were caught beforehand, that many less innocent people dead and
> wounded; and
>
> 2) Maybe with some interrog... err, "interview" subjects, perhaps some info
> can be gained on the source/origin and scope of the attacks - at least as
> plausible collateral.

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Re: Small Tribute

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http://www.pinemountainresort.com/

On Wednesday 12 September 2001 02:16, Kurt Wall wrote:
> My own small tribute to today's victims:
>
> http://www.xmission.com/~kwall/
>
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Re: New York WTC

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No, he was scared cause he knows if any factions there had a hand in it, and 
likely did, indirectly somehow atleast they were shortly to be Israeli toast.

On Wednesday 12 September 2001 00:36, Chang wrote:
> he's shaking when he spoke... look at his mouth...
> I suspect he was never in control of palestine...
>
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> >you forgot yassar arafait
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Re: New York WTC

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A report on ABC just stated that New Jersey police have stopped and detained 
two individuals driving a truck loaded with explosives.

On Tuesday 11 September 2001 13:53, dep wrote:
> On Tuesday 11 September 2001 14:49, Kurt Wall wrote:
> | I pray you're wrong, my friend.
>
> me, too. never have i prayed so hard to be wrong.

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Re:WTC

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I'm in the habit of flushing shite down the toilet.

On Tuesday 11 September 2001 19:36, Terry Bassett wrote:
> >From: Joel Hammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 18:05:15 -0400
> >
> >Before someone becomes an apologist for the Muslims, name me a country
> >where
> >Muslims live in appreciable numbers where they do not cause violent
> >disturbances.
>
> Let me please explain that the word "muslims" is too broad.
> There are Sunni moslims and there are Shi'ite moslems.
> The Sunnis are as nice of people as you could ever hope to meet,
> The Shi'ites are the one that even the Sunnis dislike.
> Ths Shi'ites are the ones to direct your hostilities to.
>
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Re: New York WTC

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Not according to the DMCA.

On Tuesday 11 September 2001 18:39, Tom Wilson wrote:
> On Tuesday 11 September 2001 07:28 pm, JW dropped these nuggets of
> information:
> [snip]
>
> >just as a man was
> > publicly having his hand cut of for theft. This, of course, was
> > because he broke Islamic law. Despite the fact that they wern't
> > Islamic or even citizens, they were forced to witness the event,
> > because that' the law there.
>
> Live in another country, live by the law there.  Live in this country,
> live by the law here.
>
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Re: New York WTC

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A US spokesperson on NBC just said that intercepted communications implicate 
Osama Bin-Laden in the WTC/Pentagon attack.

Good-Bye Afghanistan!

On Tuesday 11 September 2001 15:12, Joel Hammer wrote:
> > must fight terrorism very hard there is no question about that.
> >
> > If the US starts assasinating political leaders that opens a very nasty
> > Pandoras box. A free for all to kill political leaders.
>
> Uh. The Box is open. We are at war, in case there are people who haven't
> figured that out yet.
> And, it would be great to kill political leaders for once, instead of
> millions of civilians.
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Re: New York WTC

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I also fear this is just the first wave.

On Tuesday 11 September 2001 12:15, dep wrote:
> On Tuesday 11 September 2001 12:59, Douglas J. Hunley wrote:
> | Let me tell you this. 3 planes hit the trade towers. 1 hit one,2
> | hit the other. a car bomb at the defense department. 2 planes
> | against pentagon. 1 plane hit camp david. a plane crashed in pa. it
> | took off from NJ and was headed to California. there are 4, I
> | repeat FOUR more acknowledged planes that are missing.
>
> i've been talking with friends in interesting places, and apparently
> it's just two into wtc, one into the pentagon, car bomb at the state
> department, the united flight that crashed in pennsylvania. two
> overseas flights, incoming, refuse to respond to air traffic control.
> and if they continue to refuse to respond i hope, god forgive me,
> that they're shot down over the water.

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Re: More of this terrible infamous day... WAS: Re: New York WTC

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I do know taht the order to divert all inbound from Euorpe to Canada was 
changed. This tells me that we are going to keep casualties to our soil if at 
all possible and any planes that are removed will be done in our airspace by 
our military.

On Tuesday 11 September 2001 12:31, JW wrote:
> At 12:59 PM 9/11/2001 -0400, you wrote:
> >On Tuesday 11 September 2001 11:19, dep babbled:

>
> Can anyone provide a link verifying that 2 planes from Europe are
> hi-jacked? I don't see that in the news.
>
>

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Re: New York WTC

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Oh, crapola
It is war, one we must now activly engage in and win. It will be a war like 
no other, with no rules of engagement. No Geneva convention as the other side 
does not follow those rules. When sand gets thrown in your eyes its time to 
abandon queensberry rules. No other way about it. If they could have been 
sure to get Bush they would have dropped one into the whitehouse also, but 
chose a target with more casualties instead. Bush in a bumbling, indecisive 
idiot and they want him to remain in place.

We are under seige. Our borders are now CLOSED, airline traffic is halted, 
the net is clogged. We have no reliable means of coast to coast travel, 
amtrak is a joke. We are a changed country so we might as well jump in with 
both feet and get them bloody right of the bat. Heightened security is now 
the norm. The US military worldwide is now at delta, that is like you move, 
you die.

We no longer will have life as we *knew* it in the US. And IMHO, for that 
reason someone in charge of the terrorist activity should die publicly as 
well as the leaders of countries that activly support and harbor the 
terrotists. This a day of infamy(again).

On Tuesday 11 September 2001 10:38, JW wrote:
> At 05:26 PM 9/11/2001 +0200, you wrote:
> >tisdagen den 11 september 2001 17.00 you wrote:
> >> BS, this calls for an allout war on ALL terrorists. No stopping till
> >> there are no more, no matter what it takes or where it takes the US. It
> >> is time for the US to rethink it policy of NOT assinating political
> >> leaders
> >
> >I agree that all terrorist shall be stopped. But if in the process the
> > open society becomes a repressive one the terrorists have won. The
> > authorities must fight terrorism very hard there is no question about
> > that.
> >
> >If the US starts assasinating political leaders that opens a very nasty
> >Pandoras box. A free for all to kill political leaders.
>
> I agree here. What we done unto others as a country WILL be done unto us,
> no matter if we like it or not. In fact we'll probably get it back twofold,
> or more.
>
> Just think if the terrorists were saying "no more of this nice guy stuff...
> start with the Prez and work your way down..." Don't know about you, but
> that would make me really unhappy.
>
> P.S. to-day it not a good day to mess with Eschelon
>
> >I'm really sorry and upset about all those that have died today
> >
> >Olle
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Re: New York WTC

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No, they recanted and said they were just looking for quick exposure. I 
suggest we expose them to napalm.

On Tuesday 11 September 2001 10:54, Net Llama wrote:
> I just read that the "Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine"
> has taken responsibility for the violence.  Also, Osma Bin Laden made an
> announcement 3 weeks ago that there would soon be an unprecedented
> attack on the US.
>
> --- Kurt Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > dep wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 11 September 2001 09:37, Shawn Tayler wrote:
> > > | Hey guys, I know this is way off topic, but take a look at the
> > > | network news.  2 aircraft have crashed into thew World Trade
> >
> > Center
> >
> > > | in New York  Might be a Terrorist attack  The film I saw
> > > | showed a commercial airliner as the second craft.
> > >
> > > pne of the towers has now collapses. and a third plane crashed into
> > > the pentagon.
> > >
> > > this is the biggest attack on the u.s. since the war of 1812.
> >
> > The WTC no longer exists...
>
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Re: New York WTC

[Ronnie Gauthier]

you forgot yassar arafait

On Tuesday 11 September 2001 10:41, Kurt Wall wrote:
> Olle Viksten wrote:
> > tisdagen den 11 september 2001 16.08 wrote dep:
> > > On Tuesday 11 September 2001 09:37, Shawn Tayler wrote:
> > > | Hey guys, I know this is way off topic, but take a look at the
> > > | network news.  2 aircraft have crashed into thew World Trade Center
> > > | in New York  Might be a Terrorist attack  The film I saw
> > > | showed a commercial airliner as the second craft.
> > >
> > > pne of the towers has now collapses. and a third plane crashed into
> > > the pentagon.
> > >
> > > this is the biggest attack on the u.s. since the war of 1812.
> >
> > Both are down now. And one more plane is heading for Washington.
> >
> > I just hope the US government will keep a cool head and not retaliate to
> > fast.  If the talibans are behind it. as seems probable at the moment, I
> > hope the world communities can agree to crush them. Besides the unkown
> > number who died in US they have murdered tens of thousands in Afgahnistan
> > and burned their own cities to the ground.
>
> Turn Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, and Libya into glowing holes.
>
> Kurt

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Re: New York WTC

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On Tuesday 11 September 2001 10:21, dep wrote:
> On Tuesday 11 September 2001 11:00, Ronnie Gauthier wrote:
> | BS, this calls for an allout war on ALL terrorists. No stopping
> | till there are no more, no matter what it takes or where it takes
> | the US. It is time for the US to rethink it policy of NOT
> | assinating political leaders
>
> amen. we've dealt with these diaper-headed lice for long enough. time
> now to demonstrate how we can give 'em a first-class airburst ticket
> to see allah. bet they'll be surprised at how warm it is where he
> hangs out.

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Re: New York WTC

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all network stations(abc,cbs,fox) are preempted and are live. For this type 
of coverage the net is useless.

update:
A portion of the Pentagon has now collapsed.


On Tuesday 11 September 2001 09:48, Jim Conner wrote:
> WOW!  Seems like all the web sites to the following have been slashdotted.
> www.cbs.com
> www.nbc.com
> www.abc.com
> www.nbcnews.com
> www.cnn.com
> www.msnbc.com
>
> I was able to get blurbs here on the local tv stations page.
>
> http://www.wlfi.com
>
> Dang, guess I'll have to wait till later when I can get to the web pages to
> read the news.
>
> Jim
>
> On Tuesday September 11, 2001  9:08 am, dep wrote:
> > On Tuesday 11 September 2001 09:37, Shawn Tayler wrote:
> > | Hey guys, I know this is way off topic, but take a look at the
> > | network news.  2 aircraft have crashed into thew World Trade Center
> > | in New York  Might be a Terrorist attack  The film I saw
> > | showed a commercial airliner as the second craft.
> >
> > pne of the towers has now collapses. and a third plane crashed into
> > the pentagon.
> >
> > this is the biggest attack on the u.s. since the war of 1812.

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Re: New York WTC

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BS, this calls for an allout war on ALL terrorists. No stopping till there 
are no more, no matter what it takes or where it takes the US. It is time for 
the US to rethink it policy of NOT assinating political leaders

On Tuesday 11 September 2001 09:44, Olle Viksten wrote:
> tisdagen den 11 september 2001 16.08 wrote dep:
> > On Tuesday 11 September 2001 09:37, Shawn Tayler wrote:
> > | Hey guys, I know this is way off topic, but take a look at the
> > | network news.  2 aircraft have crashed into thew World Trade Center
> > | in New York  Might be a Terrorist attack  The film I saw
> > | showed a commercial airliner as the second craft.
> >
> > pne of the towers has now collapses. and a third plane crashed into
> > the pentagon.
> >
> > this is the biggest attack on the u.s. since the war of 1812.
>
> Both are down now. And one more plane is heading for Washington.
>
> I just hope the US government will keep a cool head and not retaliate to
> fast.  If the talibans are behind it. as seems probable at the moment, I
> hope the world communities can agree to crush them. Besides the unkown
> number who died in US they have murdered tens of thousands in Afgahnistan
> and burned their own cities to the ground.
>
> It's a bitter irony for the US government that it was the CIA who helped
> the talibans to power.
>
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Re: GIF files

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Yor problem is that you are not indexing your file before you try to save it. 
You must, alt-i or right click your image then image>mode>indexed, use the 
window to index the file, then save as a gif file.

On Sunday 09 September 2001 19:02, David Aikema wrote:
> On September 9, 2001 04:19 pm, Ronnie Gauthier wrote:
> > GIMP supports .gif files jut fine. When you create a new file chose
> > "transparent" for the background type. Create the grahpic as usual. If
> > you need a background to work againt make it your fist layer and delete
> > it when done. To save first 'index" the file to under 256 colors then
> > save as a .gif. The saved graphic will be transparent.
>
> Which distribution are you using?  As I previously said some sources still
> offer GIF support but in my distribution the GIF option is grayed out in
> the file save dialog.
>
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Re: GIF files

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GIMP supports .gif files jut fine. When you create a new file chose 
"transparent" for the background type. Create the grahpic as usual. If you 
need a background to work againt make it your fist layer and delete it when 
done. To save first 'index" the file to under 256 colors then save as a .gif. 
The saved graphic will be transparent.

On Sunday 09 September 2001 02:30, David Aikema wrote:
> I have a need to be able to create transparent GIFs as transparency is not
> supported by Opera 5.05/Linux.  IIRC support for this format was chopped
> out of the GIMP (although I think there may be offshore sites offering this
> support... at least I thought I saw one once... of course I can't remember
> it) due to legal issues with Compuserve.
>
> Is there any alternative method to create them?
>
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Re: ftp user restrictions - fixed

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I added a virtualhost for each domain to the proftpd.conf file.


DefaultRoot ~


Seems to work OK. 
Slap me for wasting bandwidth on a foolish Q.

On Friday 07 September 2001 15:22, Ronnie Gauthier wrote:
> To restrict virtual website owners to their own folders in proftp can I use
> the defaultroot directive globally, like this? Can I follow this with the
> VirtualHost directives like so, to change the setup for accounts on an
> individual basis?
> I think this is OK but want to make sure as it is a production box.
>
> 
>   AllowChmodon
>   # Report localtime, not GMT
>   TimesGMToff
>   DefaultRoot~
>  
>
> 
>   DefaultRoot / administrator
>   DefaultRoot ~/../.. site-adm
>   DefaultRoot ~ !site-adm
>   AllowOverwrite  on
>   DisplayLogin.ftphelp
> 
>
> thanks

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ftp user restrictions

[Ronnie Gauthier]

To restrict virtual website owners to their own folders in proftp can I use 
the defaultroot directive globally, like this? Can I follow this with the 
VirtualHost directives like so, to change the setup for accounts on an 
individual basis?
I think this is OK but want to make sure as it is a production box.


AllowChmodon
# Report localtime, not GMT
TimesGMToff
DefaultRoot~
 


DefaultRoot / administrator
DefaultRoot ~/../.. site-adm
DefaultRoot ~ !site-adm
AllowOverwrite  on
DisplayLogin.ftphelp


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Re: star Office & new video card

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XF86Setup

On Wednesday 05 September 2001 16:41, Keith Antoine wrote:
> Had a problem installing Star Office, d/l it to a dir and called 'setup'
> but that fell over staright away as it could not seem to find a stsrting
> point, Anyone else setup this 638 version ?
>
> New video card inserted and it now falls over on X startup; now that
> lizardx is defunct and I have not used any other what do i call rather
> than doing a total install, just to reset to a new video card.
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Re: Citibank: Which OS?

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Hard to say what was at fault

they use Vpro5 for their data files and it needs an M$ OS.

They use microbanker for bank fund transfers,
Customisation of MICROBANKER (MBx), a corporate banking product of CITICORP. 
MBx has some retail banking features also. It is a product developed on 
Business Basic (BBx) from BASIS INTERNATIONAL USA. MBx and BBx are available 
on both LAN and UNIX. The hardware for Customisation is WIPRO LANDMARK and 
the O/S is Wenix 3.2

they use this for credit card info, who knows what OS, AIX??
Citicorp Credit Services has used Orchestrate to build a large credit card 
data warehousing system on a 116-processor IBM SP using DB2 UDB EEE.

The teller machines run on an Arcnet LAN which has their own embedded chips.

On Wednesday 05 September 2001 17:13, Joel Hammer wrote:
> Citibank Computer Crash
> Knocks Out 2,000 ATMs
>
> Does anyone know which OS Citibank uses?
> Joel
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Re: HP-IB interface

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Ask whoever you got the plotter from what they do with old computers and 
parts. ;-) he/she probably had no idea it needed an interface card.

On Wednesday 05 September 2001 16:18, Aaron Grewell wrote:
> Yeah, but the plotter was free.  $525 for an interface card for an 80's
> vintage plotter that didn't cost me a dime is really a bit pricey.
>
> On Wednesday 05 September 2001 11:04 am, you wrote:
> > Thats not that bad, really. Considering that most of the stuff cabled to
> > one costs ten times that much.
> >
> > On Wednesday 05 September 2001 12:46, Aaron Grewell wrote:
> > > Cough, sputter, sputter.  $525?  Sticker shock indeed!  I'm definitely
> > > hitting e-bay to see if I can find a used one!
> > >
> > > On Wednesday 05 September 2001 09:40 am, you wrote:

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Re: HP-IB interface

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Thats not that bad, really. Considering that most of the stuff cabled to one 
costs ten times that much.

On Wednesday 05 September 2001 12:46, Aaron Grewell wrote:
> Cough, sputter, sputter.  $525?  Sticker shock indeed!  I'm definitely
> hitting e-bay to see if I can find a used one!
>
> On Wednesday 05 September 2001 09:40 am, you wrote:
> > Sorry, I forgot they have a brain dead hoster, need the ~www~
> > http://www.tamsinc.com
> >
> > On Wednesday 05 September 2001 10:44, Aaron Grewell wrote:
> > > In this case, while a Linux driver would be nice for networking
> > > purposes, all it really needs to do is work with Dad's Win9x box.  I
> > > can't get to that website though, I'm getting unknown host.
> > >
> > > On Wednesday 05 September 2001 01:13 am, you wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday 05 September 2001 11:59, Ronnie Gauthier wrote:
> > > > > HP no longer supports the IEEE488 cards, check out
> > > > > http://tamsinc.com I dont know if this is supported under linux.
> > > > > uhh...be prepared for sticker shock!
> > > >
> > > > I haven't found a linux driver but i'd be interested in writing one
> > > > if it helps.
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Re: HP-IB interface

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Sorry, I forgot they have a brain dead hoster, need the ~www~
http://www.tamsinc.com

On Wednesday 05 September 2001 10:44, Aaron Grewell wrote:
> In this case, while a Linux driver would be nice for networking purposes,
> all it really needs to do is work with Dad's Win9x box.  I can't get to
> that website though, I'm getting unknown host.
>
> On Wednesday 05 September 2001 01:13 am, you wrote:
> > On Wednesday 05 September 2001 11:59, Ronnie Gauthier wrote:
> > > HP no longer supports the IEEE488 cards, check out http://tamsinc.com
> > > I dont know if this is supported under linux. uhh...be prepared for
> > > sticker shock!
> >
> > I haven't found a linux driver but i'd be interested in writing one if it
> > helps.
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Re: HP to buy Compaq?!?

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I use them for our frontdesk software. Last batch I bought, even though I was 
assured they had W98se came with ME. I wiped out ME and installed SEwhat 
a chore. Took me half a day to get them running right. But their business 
rated machines are very reliable. Have not tried to put linny on them though.


On Wednesday 05 September 2001 03:45, Mike Andrew wrote:
> On Wednesday 05 September 2001 04:45, Bill Campbell wrote:
> > I've always found Compaq and HP to be a PITA to work with because lots of
> > things are proprietary, require special drivers, and even use
> > non-standard mounting hardware.
>
> Ditto. I've never considered either of these boxen, at any time, for a
> Linux install. Clearly others have had good experiences though. Point is, I
> just don't purchase these animals because of their propretary innards. HP
> would the only 'like minded' Company that would want to purchase Compaq (or
> vice versa).

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Re: MSDOS Rescue Needed

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I heard they had chair broke mules up there ;-) strickly for indoor use of 
course.

On Wednesday 05 September 2001 03:39, Mike Andrew wrote:
> On Tuesday 04 September 2001 20:55, Keith Antoine wrote:
> > burns wrote:
> > > I'm running Suse 7.2 Pro and this thing flies! It's hard to concentrate
> > > on the screen with all this wind in my hair .
> >
> > I am running very similar 1.2 gig Athlon 256mb DDR and Soltek MB 60 gig
> > HD space. What this skiting about hair, in your case; What hair ??
>
> You lost it there Skippy, it's an old Kanuck tradition that on those rare
> occaisons they have a success, they stand on a chair , open their
> trenchcoat..

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Re: Input for a FAQ

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In my KDE its under small green button>system and there is no place to alter 
the format. 
mandrake 7.2, KDE 2.0
guess it must be time to think about upgrading.

On Wednesday 05 September 2001 04:21, Mike Andrew wrote:
> On Wednesday 05 September 2001 18:18, Ronnie Gauthier wrote:
> > I have a Q but no A
> > how to change time format from 24hour to 12hour in KDE2x
>
> Big Green Button -> personalisation (aussie spelling) ->Time & Dates Tab,
> change time format with salt and pepper.

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Re: German Linux site hacked

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I love it. The rules seem designed just to keep the level of injury a bit 
above death and to keep it from becoming a total free for all. Sportswise 
those guys have to be the toughest there is.

On Wednesday 05 September 2001 03:48, Mike Andrew wrote:
> On Wednesday 05 September 2001 07:44, Ronnie Gauthier wrote:
> > Might be, like you said, where you grew up. But. there is a whole big
> > world out there, where you didnt grow up. But everyone that knows sports
> > knows what soccer is, ;-) even us yanks that know what football really
> > is.
>
> Huh? You mean you watch Aussie Rules too? 50 million Americans are baffled
> by this game each week.

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Re: Input for a FAQ

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I have a Q but no A
how to change time format from 24hour to 12hour in KDE2x

On Tuesday 04 September 2001 14:22, Bruce Marshall wrote:
> A long session on the phone the other night with my SO  (who is now running
> Linux with little experience)  leads me back to the subject I once posted
> here:
>
> A FAQ or document for total Linux newbies  (but END USERS)
>
> From some of the questions that came up, I figure a FAQ might be the best
> way to handle it (in HTML format).
>
> So I would like to ask the group for input on questions to be answered and
> also if there is anyone who would like to colaborate on it.
>
> Remember:  This is for your grandmother, or your computer illiterate
> brother-in-law.  Someone who knows just enough about computers to turn one
> on and be expected to look at menus, etc and know what a cursor is.
>
> Typical questions:
>
> 1) How to I access a floppy disk?
> 2) How do I write a letter?
> 3) What is a 'console'?  (might be needed for recovery situations or other
> special commands)
> 4) What do I do if my machine appears stuck?
> 5) My desktop went away.  Where's my Kmail?
>
> It would be based on KDE and the very basics of Linux.  Therefore it would
> not be distro specific in any way if it can be avoided.
>
> Input of questions to be answered or topics to deal with would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks.

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Re: New SxS ?

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Are you speaking of "Mote in Gods Eye"

On Tuesday 04 September 2001 07:58, Jerry McBride wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:44:54 -0600 Kurt Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Jerry McBride wrote:
> > > On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:19:36 -0600 Kurt Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > My eye. Mote. Your eye. Beam.
> > >
> > > A MOTE IN YOUR EYE? A great book, indeed.
> >
> > Indeed. I loved the phrase "the moties".
>
> You know, Kurt, I was in my late teens when I first read it... I can just
> about recall the
> whole story though. Imagine... riding a laser beam to earth... And now,
> there's
>
> proposals on the table to visit near planets using the same technology.
>
> Amazing.
>
> Cheers and good-night.

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Re: HP-IB interface

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HP no longer supports the IEEE488 cards, check out http://tamsinc.com
I dont know if this is supported under linux. uhh...be prepared for sticker 
shock!

On Tuesday 04 September 2001 17:13, Aaron Grewell wrote:
> Hello all, I've got a "name that ancient hardware" question.  These are so
> much fun.  Next week I get to work on my first Atari ST!  Anyway, on to the
> business at hand.  I was given an HP 7475A plotter.  I'd like to hook it up
> for my father since he has an interest in CAD drafting.  It has an HP-IB
> interface, which I thought was just another parallel interface.  HP says
> it's some kind of network interface, and that plugging it into a standard
> PC is "impossible".  Has anybody worked with these beasts before?  Can I
> convince it to talk to ethernet somehow?
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Re: German Linux site hacked

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Might be, like you said, where you grew up. But. there is a whole big 
world out there, where you didnt grow up. But everyone that knows sports 
knows what soccer is, ;-) even us yanks that know what football really is.

http://www.apostarenlared.com/fotbol-s.html
http://www.futbol365.com/
http://www.futbol.com/

On Tuesday 04 September 2001 10:59, Gordon McCrae wrote:
> It's just called football, because (unlike the american version), the
> players actually use their feet to move the ball around, perhaps the
> americans should rename their sport "handball".
>
> The full name is "Association Football", in an attempt to distinguish it
> from "Rugby Football", thus the abbreviation "soccer".
>
> Personally it's "fitbaw" where I grew up, and is still called that by my
> (now american accented) children.
>
> And american football is "rugby for pansies", but that's probably just a
> national bias.
>
> Gordon
>
> Ronnie Gauthier wrote:
> > Thats what we call soccer, I think it is really called futbol or fotbol.
> >
> > On Tuesday 04 September 2001 08:07, Lee wrote:
> > > Ronnie Gauthier wrote:
> > > > http://www.linux.de
> > > > looks like it...LOL
> > > >
> > > > On Tuesday 04 September 2001 00:38, Zoki (News) wrote:
> > > > > *** I have the strong impression the German Linux site got hacked
> > > > > by a football loving Englishman...
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Zoran.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Is that REAL football, or the kind where they use a round ball and
> > > > wear knee pants?
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Re: German Linux site hacked

[Ronnie Gauthier]

Thats what we call soccer, I think it is really called futbol or fotbol.

On Tuesday 04 September 2001 08:07, Lee wrote:
> Ronnie Gauthier wrote:
> > http://www.linux.de
> > looks like it...LOL
> >
> > On Tuesday 04 September 2001 00:38, Zoki (News) wrote:
> > > *** I have the strong impression the German Linux site got hacked by a
> > > football loving Englishman...
> > >
> > > --
> > > Cheers,
> > > Zoran.
> >
> > --
> > Is that REAL football, or the kind where they use a round ball and wear
> > knee pants?
>
> Lee
>
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Re: German Linux site hacked

[Ronnie Gauthier]

http://www.linux.de
looks like it...LOL

On Tuesday 04 September 2001 00:38, Zoki (News) wrote:
> *** I have the strong impression the German Linux site got hacked by a
> football loving Englishman...
>
> --
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> Zoran.
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Re: [OT] testing 1 please ignore

[Ronnie Gauthier]

So, what's your story?!?

On Sunday 02 September 2001 22:50, Thomas G Land wrote:
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Re: The 'mv' command

[Ronnie Gauthier]

If you supply a directory it moves files to that directory. If file names are 
given it renames the fist to the second. Only two files can be specified. If 
more than two are listed then you also must list a directory or you get an 
error. Thus you cant rename foo to foo1 and foo2.

On Sunday 02 September 2001 21:48, Tim Wunder wrote:
> What does the 'mv' command actually do?
> I've always been under the impression that it simply renames the
> file/directory, but I get the feeling there's more to it than that.
>
> My recent experience with compiling the KDE2.2 SRPMs has led me to think
> that.
>
> When I tried to compile the KDE2.2 source under eW3.1, I first mv'd the
> /opt/kde2 directory to /opt/kde22, thinking this got the existing KDE stuff
> out of the way for the new install. But I couldn't get kdelibs to compile.
> I then decided to just try instaling kde2 from the RPMs instead of the
> SRPMs and that seemed to work (well, I DID --force --nodeps everything). I
> then had the problem of starting KDE, which apparently was the result of
> the inability to load a shared library.
>
> I then punted. I rm -r'd the /opt/kde2 directory and mv'd /opt/kde22 back
> to /opt/kde2. Next I cp -R'd /opt/kde2 to /opt/kde22 for a backup.
> After that, I decided to re-try the SRPMs, and everything compiled fine
> (except for kdegraphics, which required a little cheating).
>
> The only difference bewteen my two methods, was the use of 'cp -R' to make
> a backup of /opt/kde2 rather than 'mv'.
>
> Hence my question, what does the command 'mv' actually do?
>
> Thanks,
> Tim
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