Re: Buffy S6E21-22

2002-05-22 Thread Mike Jarvis

On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 01:11:46AM -0400, David H. Adler wrote:
 On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 10:06:11PM -0400, Mike Jarvis wrote:
  When do you guys get it? I won't spoil, I'll just say I have real hope
  for next season.  It could be really good.
 
 Or not.  Lots of potential, but it really depends on where they go with
 it.  It could still be fairly mediocre without too much trouble.

Potential is all I need for hope.  It could be worse than mediocre, it
could be downright awful.  I can think of two plot developments that
could come that would be painful to think about.  

joke[1]
Anyway, they have many ways they could go. And since Buffy gave birth
to full grown demon children, think of the madcap hilarity that awaits
us next year! 
/joke

[1] No, nothing like what I described happened on the show.  It was a 
joke, but somebody bitched at me last year for the giving away the
ending with the same joke, so I felt obliged to repeat it.

-- 
mike
A whole lotta hoot and just a little bit of nanny





Re: Buffy S6E21-22

2002-05-22 Thread the hatter

On Wed, 22 May 2002, David H. Adler wrote:

 On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 07:02:24AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
  * David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
   On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 10:06:11PM -0400, Mike Jarvis wrote:
When do you guys get it? I won't spoil, I'll just say I have real hope
for next season.  It could be really good.
  
   Or not.  Lots of potential, but it really depends on where they go with
   it.  It could still be fairly mediocre without too much trouble.
  
 
  I predict guest appearances, say Bradd Pitt, Tarantino and John
  Cleese. Oh and Jeff Goldblum stretching his acting range that bit
  further and playing a mad professor ;-)

 I suppose David Hemmings as a Hippie Gestapo Officer would be too much
 to hope for... :-)

Or mulder and scully (or just scully) come to town to investigate the
mysterious goings on.


the hatter





Re: OT (yea right) - taking Credit card payment.

2002-05-22 Thread Jonathan Peterson

Leo Lapworth wrote:

 Anyway, now I've got this far I need a company to take the
 money from the customer and do all that security stuff.
 
 Does any one have recomendations of who I should use ?

Check out worldpay. They do any number of products, including ones that 
will just pay into a regular current account, and ones that don't 
require you to host anything. I'm 99% sure they have Perl APIs where 
applicable.

Downside is that for easy to setup and low-volume scenarios they charge 
a (relatively) big percentage of the sale price.

Oh. And their website appears to be down right now, but maybe that's 
just my ISP. www.worldpay.com.

-- 
Jonathan Peterson
Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, +44 (0)20 7383 6092
[EMAIL PROTECTED]





Re: Buffy S6E21-22

2002-05-22 Thread Stray Toaster

On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 09:42:11AM +, the hatter wrote:
 On Wed, 22 May 2002, David H. Adler wrote:
 
 Or mulder and scully (or just scully) come to town to investigate the
 mysterious goings on.

Or Agent Cooper

m.

-- 
I don't want the world, I just want your half
--
Family ties : http://www.thefamilykerr.co.uk
Playtime: http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk




Re: Buffy S6E21-22

2002-05-22 Thread Simon Batistoni

On 22/05/02 07:02 +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 * David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 10:06:11PM -0400, Mike Jarvis wrote:
   When do you guys get it? I won't spoil, I'll just say I have real hope
   for next season.  It could be really good.
  
  Or not.  Lots of potential, but it really depends on where they go with
  it.  It could still be fairly mediocre without too much trouble.
  
 
 I predict guest appearances, say Bradd Pitt, Tarantino and John
 Cleese. Oh and Jeff Goldblum stretching his acting range that bit
 further and playing a mad professor ;-)

Well, according to my media headlines roundup, provided by the kind
folks at the Guardian, the Daily Star is today reporting that Britney
Spears might be drafted in to play a vampire.

Of course, this is a tabloid newspaper, so anything bearing
resemblence to actual fact between its pages is probably a happy
accident of nature. Nevertheless...




Re: Buffy S6E21-22

2002-05-22 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Stray Toaster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 09:42:11AM +, the hatter wrote:
  On Wed, 22 May 2002, David H. Adler wrote:
  
  Or mulder and scully (or just scully) come to town to investigate the
  mysterious goings on.
 
 Or Agent Cooper
 

bah, we are all missing the obvious guess appearance - Alf!


-- 
Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/
   jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: Report on the Glasshouse Stores

2002-05-22 Thread the hatter

On Wed, 22 May 2002, Kate L Pugh wrote:

 Beer: Jon noted that there were no hand-pulled beers.  Boo.

And no girlie drinks, inconvenient both for the girlies, and for those of
us who don't qualify but like them anyway.

 ASCII plan time.

[snip]

You are in a twisty maze of booths and little rooms, all different.
Though after having seen several oxford pubs on the weekend, that seems
slightly less weird to me now.

 Centralness: a minute's walk from Piccadilly Circus tube.

Regretably, as it'd be dead handy for me to get to.  Wonder what we'd need
to do to get a large area of TGIs instead.  Beer might not be to everyones
taste, but the cocktails are great.


the hatter






Emergency loan of SCSI cdrom

2002-05-22 Thread Dave Hodgkinson


There's an off chance I might need to blag a SCS cdrom drive for a day
next week to plug into a sun server. internal or external should be
fine. if anyone (beer) has one (beer) please let me know. I'll be
passing through the west end on my way to the client.

Ta,

Dave




Re: Report on the Glasshouse Stores

2002-05-22 Thread David Cantrell

On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 12:43:33PM +0100, Kate L Pugh wrote:

 Beer: Jon noted that there were no hand-pulled beers.  Boo.

That makes it a non-pub, and I for one will not be going.

-- 
Lord Protector David Cantrell | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david

   We must get users past their misunderstandings of uptime. A reboot
doesn't mean that anything broke, there is no hardware or software
corrective action taken, so there wasn't any real downtime. 
  -- overheard in an MS strategy meeting




Re: Emergency loan of SCSI cdrom

2002-05-22 Thread David Cantrell

On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 01:40:24PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
 
 There's an off chance I might need to blag a SCS cdrom drive for a day
 next week to plug into a sun server. internal or external should be
 fine. if anyone (beer) has one (beer) please let me know. I'll be
 passing through the west end on my way to the client.

I have one.  It's currently at a pub in Soho - I lent it to the manager.
If I can contact him in time, I'll arrange for you to be able to pick it
up from him on the way.

Do you know what day and roughly what time?

-- 
David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed
 (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless
 series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary  -- H. L. Mencken




Re: Buffy S6E21-22

2002-05-22 Thread Merijn Broeren

Quoting Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
   
   Or mulder and scully (or just scully) come to town to investigate the
   mysterious goings on.
  
  Or Agent Cooper
  
 bah, we are all missing the obvious guess appearance - Alf!
 
You're showing your age. To keep up with the current TV audience for
Buffy and audience buying power that adverts are targetted at, I predict
the next Buffy guest appearance to be Tinky Winky.

But it was a close run thing with Thomas the TE and the Dread Purple one

And I must say that reading the X files timeline at least put my mind at
ease that there was some thought behind it all. Garbled and silly, but
thought anyhow. After the first few episodes I thought they would just 
recast all of snopes.com on automatic pilot. Never watched it since.

Cheers,
-- 
Merijn Broeren | 'I want to understand everything. I want to know every-
Software Geek  |  thing and put it all together to see what it means.'
   | 'Excellent project, it will look very good on your resume.'




Re: Report on the Glasshouse Stores

2002-05-22 Thread Andrew Bowman

From: Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 No Credit Cards are taken downstairs, which isn't a problem as far as the

 They did this whole carrying cards upstrairs thinig for some of us (though
 not blech and Kake, they obviously look like criminals.)  Not sure if
 they'd do it for the mass of people we ar at a meeting.

Forgive my paranoia, but I wouldn't let my card out of my sight in such a
place - the opportunity for someone to surreptitiously skim it is too
great - sure, most people aren't criminals - but the inconvenience of being
caught out even once would be a major hassle.

One of the things I've noticed in recent months, using a Cahoot card, is
that in a lot of places they have to manually enter the number, and, in
others, use a chipreader (built in to their terminal) rather than a
swipereader - presumably to make it impossible to use any old card with
skimmed details on the magnetic strip.

Andrew.





[JOB] student placement

2002-05-22 Thread David Cantrell

BBC Internet Services are looking for a student for a year's placement,
running from around September this year to June next year, based in
London.

We are particularly interested in people who already have some knowledge
of large-scale networking, multicast, and programming in perl and C.

If you're interested, please email me, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Ensuring
that you send to the right address and with a suitably formatted email
may be considered to be the first barrier to entry :-)

-- 
David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Project Mgr, BBC Internet Services




Re: [JOB] student placement

2002-05-22 Thread Newton, Philip

David Cantrell wrote:
 If you're interested, please email me, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Ensuring
 that you send to the right address and with a suitably formatted email
 may be considered to be the first barrier to entry :-)

Ooh... suitably formatted. I wonder whether the BBC prefer embedded Flash
animations or Java applets in their HTML emailed résumés?

Cheers,
Philip
-- 
Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.




Re: [JOB] student placement

2002-05-22 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Newton, Philip ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 
 Ooh... suitably formatted. I wonder whether the BBC prefer embedded Flash
 animations or Java applets in their HTML emailed résumés?
 

also make sure you somehow embed a MIDI tune, so whoever reviews your
CV enjoys a jaunty rendition of Wannabe or perhaps Greensleeves,
beeping along merrily on their speakers.

-- 
Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/
   jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: Emergency loan of SCSI cdrom

2002-05-22 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 01:40:24PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
  
  There's an off chance I might need to blag a SCS cdrom drive for a day
  next week to plug into a sun server. internal or external should be
  fine. if anyone (beer) has one (beer) please let me know. I'll be
  passing through the west end on my way to the client.
 
 I have one.  It's currently at a pub in Soho - I lent it to the manager.
 If I can contact him in time, I'll arrange for you to be able to pick it
 up from him on the way.
 
 Do you know what day and roughly what time?

Middle of next week, morningish. And only if Sun can't pony one up.

Ta,


-- 
David Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hirehttp://www.davehodgkinson.com
Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star   http://www.deep-purple.com
All the Purple Family Tree news   http://www.slashrock.com
   Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire




Re: [JOB] student placement

2002-05-22 Thread Nicholas Clark

On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 04:00:25PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
 also make sure you somehow embed a MIDI tune, so whoever reviews your
 CV enjoys a jaunty rendition of Wannabe or perhaps Greensleeves,
 beeping along merrily on their speakers.

And a 1x1 transparent GIF web bug, so that you know they've seen your CV.

Or alternatively you could just send your CV as a Word macro virus.
Make Interviews Fast

Nicholas Clark




[jobish] success with online applications?

2002-05-22 Thread Paul Makepeace

Out of interest, has anyone ever got a position through an
Internet job site?

Putting aside the two lone jobs through registering with an agency years
ago, I'm still at the 100% mark for jobs acquired through personal
contacts or clients recommending me.

FWIW, I generally really like the gojobsite.co.uk service but I've never
got as far as being even offered an interview.

Paul


-- 
Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/

What is jack? Israel Fighting.
   -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/




Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2002-05-13

2002-05-22 Thread Chris Ball

 Mark == Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Mark On Mon, 20 May 2002, Simon Batistoni wrote:
 Ta hugely, Chris, and long may your reign continue[0].

Mark Though, do shout if you get bored.

Thanks to both for the kind words, and to Leon for keeping up the
summaries before me.

Mark  Running though the list and summerising can be a thankless
Mark  job[1] and shout for help should you need it / get bored /

Will do.  At the moment, I'm in the midst of some evil ex**s at Uni, so
that'd be the only thing keeping me too busy[1].  

I think it'll be a good thing for me to do, anyway - especially since
I'm moving to London next month (to intern with Morgan Stanley for the
Summer) and I think london.pm's the only group of people down there that
I'll have had contact with already.  It'll be great to have some people
already know me from the summaries when I'm introducing myself drunkenly
at socials.  Maybe.

/ramble,

- Chris.

[0]: NMF. 
[1]: Or the only thing giving me the motivation to write lots of list
 mail while I should be revising.  You decide.
-- 
$a=printf.net; Chris Ball | chris@void.$a | www.$a | finger: chris@$a
 chris@lexis:~$ perl -le'@a=($^O eq 'darwin')?qw(100453 81289 9159):qw
 (23152 19246 2040);while(){chomp;push @b,$_ if grep {$.==$_}@a}push
 @b,$^X;print ucfirst join( ,@b[2,0,3,1]).,'/usr/share/dict/words





Re: [jobish] success with online applications?

2002-05-22 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Paul Makepeace [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Out of interest, has anyone ever got a position through an
 Internet job site?

No, and in the current climate, it's unlikely.

-- 
David Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hirehttp://www.davehodgkinson.com
Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star   http://www.deep-purple.com
All the Purple Family Tree news   http://www.slashrock.com
   Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire




Re: [jobish] success with online applications?

2002-05-22 Thread David Cantrell

On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 04:09:17PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
 Paul Makepeace [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Out of interest, has anyone ever got a position through an
  Internet job site?
 No, and in the current climate, it's unlikely.

I had an offer, but turned them down.

-- 
David Cantrell|Degenerate|http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david

  Dave, being Evil is no excuse for indenting like a moonshine-crazed lemur
-- Aaron Trevena




Re: [jobish] success with online applications?

2002-05-22 Thread Nicholas Clark

On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 08:10:36AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
 Out of interest, has anyone ever got a position through an
 Internet job site?
 
 Putting aside the two lone jobs through registering with an agency years
 ago, I'm still at the 100% mark for jobs acquired through personal
 contacts or clients recommending me.

Yes, in that the job adverts on gojobsite (IIRC) were all placed by
agents, and then another pimp in the same firms also found me an
interview, and as a result I found a permanent job.
(probably for the usual definition of permanent)

Plus points:

it does know where my bank account is
it has provided me with a Unix desktop machine

Minus points include

That machine is Redhat.


I've not yet found an online advert that was not put there by a pimp.
This annoys me. I fail to see why the online sites can't make a killing by
cutting out the pimps, and putting punters directly in touch with HR
departments. Or is the problem that this would fill HR departments inboxes
with bulkmail CVs?

Nicholas Clark




Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2002-05-13

2002-05-22 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 04:13:33PM +0100, Chris Ball wrote:
  chris@lexis:~$ perl -le'a=($^O eq 'darwin')?qw(100453 81289 9159):qw
  (23152 19246 2040);while(){chomp;push b,$_ if grep {$.==$_}@a}push
  b,$^X;print ucfirst join( ,b[2,0,3,1]).,'/usr/share/dict/words

I knew this couldn't possibly work, but damn it's funny!

  Justness ANSI perl Hagen,

  Track basic perl Riga,

Paul, just another debian/solaris[0] admin


[0] /usr/dict/words

--
Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/

What is that on your back? Ask again.

   -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/




Re: [jobish] success with online applications?

2002-05-22 Thread Chris Ball

 Nicholas == Nicholas Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Nicholas Minus points include
Nicholas That machine is Redhat.

I'm using a Redhat workstation at work at the moment, too.  I told our
sysadmin that I wanted to stick Debian on there, and he pointed me to an
eleven CD Oracle 8i installation set, and told me to have fun with the
client libraries.

So, in search of a round tuit, I use Redhat.  ;-)

(Plus point is that the machine has a lovely monitor and a TNT2, which
is why I was aiming for Debian rather than FreeBSD; the /Quake[123]/
matches would be significantly harder to get running at the same sort of
speed in BSD rather than Linux.  Probably.)

- Chris.
-- 
$a=printf.net; Chris Ball | chris@void.$a | www.$a | finger: chris@$a
 chris@lexis:~$ perl -le'@a=($^O eq 'darwin')?qw(100453 81289 9159):qw
 (23152 19246 2040);while(){chomp;push @b,$_ if grep {$.==$_}@a}push
 @b,$^X;print ucfirst join( ,@b[2,0,3,1]).,'/usr/share/dict/words





Re: [jobish] success with online applications?

2002-05-22 Thread Rafiq Ismail (ADMIN)

 Out of interest, has anyone ever got a position through an
 Internet job site?

I got my current job through jobs.perl.org.  Not quite an agency. Also
been offered jobs though on-line agencies in the past.  Got my first job
in this way.  I usually look at jobserve.com and then stray off onto the
agencies' own web pages.

fiq

__  __   _ __  __
|  \/  | ___   __| | ___ _ __ _ __ |  \/  | __ _ _ __
| |\/| |/ _ \ / _` |/ _ \ '__| '_ \| |\/| |/ _` | '_ \
| |  | | (_) | (_| |  __/ |  | | | | |  | | (_| | | | |
|_|  |_|\___/ \__,_|\___|_|  |_| |_|_|  |_|\__,_|_| |_|
a pathetic example of his organic heritage
- Bad Religion





Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2002-05-13

2002-05-22 Thread Chris Ball

 Paul == Paul Makepeace [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   Paul On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 04:13:33PM +0100, Chris Ball wrote:
  chris@lexis:~$ perl -le'@a=($^O eq 'darwin')?qw(100453 81289 9159):qw
  (23152 19246 2040);while(){chomp;push @b,$_ if grep {$.==$_}@a}push
  @b,$^X;print ucfirst join( ,@b[2,0,3,1]).,'/usr/share/dict/words

   Paul I knew this couldn't possibly work, but damn it's funny!
   Paul   Justness ANSI perl Hagen,
   Paul   Track basic perl Riga,
   Paul Paul, just another debian/solaris[0] admin

*grin* I know, I know.  It works on OS X and every Redhat and Mandrake
version I can find  5 (via the tertiary on $^O), which is about as far
as I think I can get in 70x3.  Debian's is completely inconsistent,
changing across releases and upgrades and all sorts.

It was a cute idea, though.  (And it took me ages to work out how I was
going to get 'perl' in there, given that it's not in dictionary files)

Next up, pulling them straight from perlfaq1..  ;-)

- Chris.
-- 
$a=printf.net; Chris Ball | chris@void.$a | www.$a | finger: chris@$a
 chris@lexis:~$ perl -le'@a=($^O eq 'darwin')?qw(100453 81289 9159):qw
 (23152 19246 2040);while(){chomp;push @b,$_ if grep {$.==$_}@a}push
 @b,$^X;print ucfirst join( ,@b[2,0,3,1]).,'/usr/share/dict/words





Oracle client software

2002-05-22 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 04:27:38PM +0100, Chris Ball wrote:
 eleven CD Oracle 8i installation set, and told me to have fun with the
 client libraries.

Installing 8i client software on debian is a doddle. Just fire up the
main install on the main CD and select install client software. The
Java even works(!) so you can happily run the full UI management
beasties too, if you so desire.

There is some stuff you may need to diddle with, but it's out there on
the net and easily findable  applies to red hat anyway (missing
apostrophes in install scripts  other wee horrors). I can help offline
if you get stuck. 8.1.5 is quite a bit messier than later versions,
IIRC.

You will without doubt waste more time fscking with redhat than it will
cost you installing it with debian. Not because redhat sucks (*cough*)
but your invested time in debian won't be being used, IMO.

If your lazy admin ever tries that kind of smart-ass bullshit again,
point out that Oracle don't support Red Hat any more. (Did someone say
fscked gcc library snapshots in production releases?) OK, they don't
support Debian either :-)

Paul

-- 
Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/

What is the way home? Temporary pride is just a dream.
   -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/




Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2002-05-13

2002-05-22 Thread Roger Burton West

On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 04:34:29PM +0100, Chris Ball wrote:
*grin* I know, I know.  It works on OS X and every Redhat and Mandrake
version I can find  5 (via the tertiary on $^O), which is about as far
as I think I can get in 70x3.  Debian's is completely inconsistent,
changing across releases and upgrades and all sorts.

Ooh, new OS fingerprinting technique!

Fortune anaesthetically perl endorsement, = wbritish 3.1.20-21.1

Cheers,

Roger




Re: [jobish] success with online applications?

2002-05-22 Thread Roger Burton West

On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 04:38:17PM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote:

At my previous permanent employer (the one with the nice view[*], and other
things I liked such as decent cappuccino within walking distance) we had
Oracle 8 something running on Debian x86. I may be able to put you in touch
with someone who knows how to do it.

I've done it. It's not all that hard. I'll be glad to help if this is
something of interest.

Roger




'open_digi' season DOG STAR, London starts May 22nd

2002-05-22 Thread Paul Makepeace

Starts tonight. Looks very cool indeed. If you prefer reading garish
websites, this email is more or less at http://club.net-art.ws/

To save you the grief of streetmap's appalling interface  address
parser, the Dog Star bar is basically here,

http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=531233y=175336z=1sv=coldharbour+lanest=1tl=Coldharbour+Lane,+SW9searchp=newsearch.srfmapp=newmap.srf


Paul

---

a new monthly digital night out kicks off at the Dog Star, Coldhabour
Lane, London SW9 on May 22nd

the 'open_digi' season (May 22nd, June 19th, July 10th) will mix artists
and activists working online and in digital media, talking about their
work and ending with a digital jam session with visual projections and
sounds mix

OPEN_MOUSE  7.30pm
the evening will start with an open_mouse half hour at 7.30pm for all
comers to demo their work for five minutes, to ask to appear for this
please visit http://club.net-art.ws

MAIN GUESTS  8.30pm
the first evening will feature main demos (starting 8.30pm) from STANZA
from http://www.stanza.co.uk, James Stevens of http://www.consume.net
and bongo from http://www.piratetv.net 

subvergence project  the central city  STANZA
STANZA will present works from
 www.thecentralcity.co.uk
Continuing the search for the soul of the city. The idea is to go
deeper into analogies for the organic identity of the city. Inner City
is an audio visual, interactive, internet art, experience. The micro
city becomes an organic networks of grids and diagrams.
 www.subvergence.net
The internet has become the the leading economic and artistic tool for
our age. Words like emergence are used to explain the propulsion of
these medias into our daily lives. Convergence is used to fuse the
meeting of medias onto the the paradigm of new technology. Subvergence
scrambles the cins of the internet.

CONSUME.NET  James Stevens
James Stevens of http://dek.spc.org, Deckspace, Greenwich (and
previously backspace) will talk about consume.net. Consume is a
nationwide initiative to construct user owned and operated, free
networks utilising wireless broadband technology that trip the local
loop out of the hands of the telecom monopoly and into open space. It's
an assertion of rights to self provide, propagate ideals of community,
counter commerce and consume the net.

PIRATETV.net  bongo
From J18 to Radiohead ... local heroine, bongo will give a retrospective
view on pirate tv's first four years ...
www.piratetv.net was born out of the excitement of early London pirate
radio days, frustration with the dumbing down of legal stations and the
straightjacket of commercial television ... a showcase for the creation
and display of quality zentertainment, free from the financial and
creative restraints of the industry ...
It's about wanting things raw and fresh. Like a salad. Put simply
Piratetv.net is the place to visit for live audio/visual streams.
It's like passing a fiddle around the world ...

IN THE MIX
digital mix session from STANZA and atty (beta testing his 3D multi-user
sound sensitive environment http://rnd.net-art.ws/START.html)

to request appearence at or receive regular news of the 'open_digi'
season please visit http://club.net-art.ws

yours sincerely
Andrew Forbes

there will be a door charge of ?1 on May 22nd, the event will be held in
the first floor bar

TO SUBSCRIBE FOR NEWS of future open_digi events register at
http://club.net-art.ws


FUTURE DATES

19th June
'open_digi' goes latino
MAIN GUESTS
Arcangel Constantinni  http://www.UNOSUNOSYUNOSCEROS.COM virtually in
control from Mexico City
andres burbano  Colombia
Brian Mackern  http://www.internet.com.uy/vibri/artefactos/index2.htm 
Montevideo, Uruguay
+ london locals

10th July
'open_digi'  net-art01
MAIN GUESTS
the results of the open net-art arena 'net-art01' from
http://www.net-art.ws will be announced by
Mike and Emerald  http://www.urban75.com
Florian and Alexandra  http://www.ni-res.net
the presenters will also demo their own work 

the 'open_digi' season is presented by and association with

the Dog Star, Coldharbour Lane, London SW9  http://www.dogstarbar.co.uk
Brixton's top pub venue, late bar through out the week

club.net-art  http://club.net-art.ws
the live events arm of http://www.net-art.ws

soundtoys  http://www.soundtoys.net
Convergence  New audio visual experiences, online and offline.
Soundtoys features offline contributions from julian baker , pelado,
stanza, boredom research, andy forbes, squidsoup, jey malaiperman,
andrew allenson, rechord , iriealists, amy alexandra, karsten scmitt ,
ixi, golan levin, leafcutter john, michaelmedia  and online
contributions from ian andrews, antionne schmitt, andy wilson, soda,
backeria, rain ashford, adam rogers , michael van der haagen, brian
judy, jim andrews , peter luining, sub meta 

OFFLINE  http://offline.areatres.net
international association of net art practicioners dedicated to the
execution of public offline events and installations using network and
digital media. Members 

Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2002-05-13

2002-05-22 Thread Merijn Broeren

Quoting Chris Ball ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 I think it'll be a good thing for me to do, anyway - especially since
 I'm moving to London next month (to intern with Morgan Stanley for the
 Summer) 

Yes, your imminent arrival was announced to me :-)
-- 
Merijn Broeren | 'I want to understand everything. I want to know every-
Software Geek  |  thing and put it all together to see what it means.'
   | 'Excellent project, it will look very good on your resume.'




Tactical Global Thermonuclear War (and other ways to spend yourspare time).

2002-05-22 Thread Redvers Davies

On Wed, 2002-05-15 at 09:45, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 the map in the NORAD when WOPR tries to convince the USians
 that they're under nuclear attack (in War Games).

Has anyone else toyed with the idea of writing a networked version of
Tactical Global Thermonuclear War - a'la War Games.

Sounds remarkablly simple by todays standards - a couple of hours
development by a couple of people should be able to create something
modular enough to play and expand.

The more interesting bit I expect would be the research that you would
need to do into the weaponry, population densities, locations etc.

Anyone fancy the idea?

Could be a larf






Re: [jobish] success with online applications?

2002-05-22 Thread Jonathan Peterson

Nicholas Clark wrote:
 On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 08:10:36AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:

I've employed people using online job sites. It feels nice to cut out 
the evil recruitment people. Personal contacts are still the preferred 
mechanism tho'.

 I've not yet found an online advert that was not put there by a pimp.
 This annoys me. I fail to see why the online sites can't make a killing by
 cutting out the pimps, and putting punters directly in touch with HR
 departments. Or is the problem that this would fill HR departments inboxes
 with bulkmail CVs?

Basically.

-- 
Jonathan Peterson
Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, +44 (0)20 7383 6092
[EMAIL PROTECTED]





Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2002-05-13

2002-05-22 Thread Rob Partington

In message [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  I knew this couldn't possibly work, but damn it's funny!
Justness ANSI perl Hagen,
Track basic perl Riga,
 Justice another perl hackers [Linux penderel 2.4.18 #4 ]

Blackening Actinosphaerium perl batikulin, [FreeBSD riffraff 4.5-STABLE]
-- 
rob partington % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % http://lynx.browser.org/




Re: Report on the Glasshouse Stores

2002-05-22 Thread Natalie S. Ford

On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 02:26:15PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
 On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 12:43:33PM +0100, Kate L Pugh wrote:
  Beer: Jon noted that there were no hand-pulled beers.  Boo.
 That makes it a non-pub, and I for one will not be going.

...and I bet he won't be the only one...

-- 
Natalie S. Ford   ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.natalie.ourshack.org/  http://natalief.livejournal.com/




Re: Report on the Glasshouse Stores

2002-05-22 Thread Simon Wistow

On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 05:45:06PM +0100, Natalie S. Ford said:
 Just a pity the food is so awful - i can always eat in transit to the pub
 though...

And the beer.

Disregarding handpulled or not was it a deliberate move to use another
Sam Smith's pub or just a coinckydinks? 

I don't know about any body else but Sam Smith's make the worst tasting
beer I've ever tasted.

If everyone else feels different I'll shut up.

Simon
p.s this is not in anyway denigrating the sterling efforts of the Pub
Czar(s).

-- 
: it's not the heat, it's the humanity





Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2002-05-13

2002-05-22 Thread Jonathan Peterson

Paul Makepeace wrote:
 On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 04:13:33PM +0100, Chris Ball wrote:
 
 chris@lexis:~$ perl -le'@a=($^O eq 'darwin')?qw(100453 81289 9159):qw
 (23152 19246 2040);while(){chomp;push @b,$_ if grep {$.==$_}@a}push
 @b,$^X;print ucfirst join( ,@b[2,0,3,1]).,'/usr/share/dict/words
 
 
 I knew this couldn't possibly work, but damn it's funny!
 
   Justness ANSI perl Hagen,
 
   Track basic perl Riga,


Justice another perl hackers [Linux penderel 2.4.18 #4 ]

5a 5tte perl 4on, [Linux ddmi.he.net 2.2.20 #5]

Yup, looks like 'perl' is more cross platform than 'hackers' :)



-- 
Jonathan Peterson
Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, +44 (0)20 7383 6092
[EMAIL PROTECTED]





Re: Report on the Glasshouse Stores

2002-05-22 Thread Dave Thorn

On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 05:55:20PM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
 
 I don't know about any body else but Sam Smith's make the worst tasting
 beer I've ever tasted.

I'm with you on that, not that I come to many of the meets.

Planning on getting to the next one though.

-- 
dave thorn | [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: Buffy S6E21-22

2002-05-22 Thread David H. Adler

On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 04:06:01PM +0200, Merijn Broeren wrote:
 Quoting Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
   
  bah, we are all missing the obvious guess appearance - Alf!
  
 You're showing your age.

I mentioned David Hemmings and *Greg*'s showing his age?? :-)

-- 
David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
...who could save journalists a lot of trouble by adopting not related
as his middle name...
   - A. O. Scott, on Kiyoshi Kurosawa, in the NY Times




Re: Linux distribution of choice

2002-05-22 Thread Ian Brayshaw

Newton, Philip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

So, what distro do people prefer and why? What's better in Debian than in 
Distro X? What's bad about distro X?

Currently, I'm running DeadRat (have been for about 5 years now). Why? 
Because I was young and foolish and that's what was on the CDs I found. I 
don't do a lot of tinkering, but when I do it's all pretty clear and there 
are 1001 pages of information about it on the web. Not to mention shed-loads 
of packages.

Having said that, as soon as I get the nod from management (i.e. time away 
from urgent (to them) development), I'm frying my laptop to put Debian on 
it. Ideologically, Debian is a lot closer to my understanding of what open 
source is about. And let's not mention the fact that Debian's package 
management system manages packages unlike RPM which is increasingly about 
as reliable as Install Shield (particularly when uninstalling), and about as 
useful as mamary glands on a male bovine if you can't satisfy the package 
dependencies when you're trying to install. When updating packages in RH, 
after a relatively short time I find that I have a dirty install and it's 
almost worth doing a fresh install to clean the system out. Colleagues who 
use Debian say that it doesn't suffer from as much residue when performing 
system maintenance.

One other thing that is drawing me to Debian is the speed with which the 
distribution moves. Unstable packaged with no bug reports for two weeks are 
placed straight into testing. They also do a lot of testing to ensure the 
modules/packages work across multiple architectures.

Debian, to me, is put together by a lot of guys who work hard doing what 
they love. That's always going to produce great code.

I don't have any esperience with SuSE, and I haven't touched Slackware since 
early 1996. If you're running servers, however, I can highly recommend 
FreeBSD. Again, it's been over 3 years since I touched it, but back then it 
was very stable and friendly towards typical server-type activities.


Ian


_
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.





Re: Oracle client software

2002-05-22 Thread Nicholas Clark

On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 08:37:17AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
 If your lazy admin ever tries that kind of smart-ass bullshit again,
 point out that Oracle don't support Red Hat any more. (Did someone say
 fscked gcc library snapshots in production releases?) OK, they don't
 support Debian either :-)

Have they used rantgcc 2.96/rant as an excuse to stop all linux support?
Or are Oracle just giving Red Hat what it deserved for being so inept as to
include a developer snapshot gcc in a stable release, and not just that,
but one that is C++ ABI incompatible with 2.9.5, and incompatible with 3.0.
So (I infer from the above) Red Hat are going to have to stick with the stupid
thing until 8.0 ?

Nicholas Clark
-- 
Even better than the real thing:http://nms-cgi.sourceforge.net/




Re: Oracle client software

2002-05-22 Thread Roger Burton West

On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 08:08:16PM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote:
On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 08:37:17AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
 If your lazy admin ever tries that kind of smart-ass bullshit again,
 point out that Oracle don't support Red Hat any more. (Did someone say
 fscked gcc library snapshots in production releases?) OK, they don't
 support Debian either :-)

Have they used rantgcc 2.96/rant as an excuse to stop all linux support?

Support? From Oracle? For something other than Windows?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Yes, you could pay Oracle for support for RedHat, and you couldn't for
Debian. This made no difference to the quality of the support IME.

Roger




Re: Oracle client software

2002-05-22 Thread Nicholas Clark

On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 08:17:34PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote:

 Support? From Oracle? For something other than Windows?
 Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
 
 Yes, you could pay Oracle for support for RedHat, and you couldn't for
 Debian. This made no difference to the quality of the support IME.

What about support on Solaris?

Nicholas Clark




Re: Oracle client software

2002-05-22 Thread Roger Burton West

On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 08:30:14PM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote:
On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 08:17:34PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote:
 Yes, you could pay Oracle for support for RedHat, and you couldn't for
 Debian. This made no difference to the quality of the support IME.
What about support on Solaris?

I haven't tried it, but have no reason to suppose it's any better than
their Linux support was. Certainly, when I've spoken with them, their
attitude has been Oh, not Windows? Too bad.

Roger




Re: Oracle client software

2002-05-22 Thread Nic Gibson

On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 08:37:36PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote:
 On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 08:30:14PM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote:
 On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 08:17:34PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote:
  Yes, you could pay Oracle for support for RedHat, and you couldn't for
  Debian. This made no difference to the quality of the support IME.
 What about support on Solaris?
 
 I haven't tried it, but have no reason to suppose it's any better than
 their Linux support was. Certainly, when I've spoken with them, their
 attitude has been Oh, not Windows? Too bad.

My experience has been that the support from Oracle for Solaris is very
good. If it were a less horrible product, I'd be happy about that.

nic
-- 
New No New Age Advanced Ambient Motor Music Machine





Re: Report on the Glasshouse Stores

2002-05-22 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Wed, 22 May 2002, Kate L Pugh wrote:

 Beer: Jon noted that there were no hand-pulled beers.  Boo.


Well that'll be a no from me then.

/J\





Re: Report on the Glasshouse Stores

2002-05-22 Thread Kate L Pugh

On Wed, 22 May 2002, Kate L Pugh wrote:
 Beer: Jon noted that there were no hand-pulled beers.  Boo.
 
On Wed 22 May 2002, Jonathan Stowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well that'll be a no from me then.

Cool, so you'll come to a meet if we find somewhere with good beer? :)

Kake




[JOB] Developer for Digital Advertising (fwd)

2002-05-22 Thread Lucy McWilliam


This of any use to anyone?

-- Forwarded message --
Date: 21 May 2002 15:46:13 -
From: Perl Jobs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Perl Jobs] Developer for Digital Advertising - perl/cgi/flash
coding/java - London (onsite), United Kingdom, London

Online URL for this job: http://jobs.perl.org/job/327

To subscribe to this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Posted: May 21, 2002

Job title:
Developer for Digital Advertising - perl/cgi/flash coding/java - London

Company name: Incline

Internal ID: Incline

Location: United Kingdom, London

Pay rate: To be negotiated

Terms of employment: Independent contractor (hourly)

Length of employment: 1 month

Hours: Full time

Onsite: yes

Description:
Incline is a young, dynamic company, with a strong client base including
FilmFour, PS2 and Directline. The working environment is fast-paced and
exciting with a real emphasis on ideas and creativity.

We are looking to employ a motivated developer on a contract basis,
initially for 1 month starting ASAP.

You will be creating customized web applications for our clients, ranging
from games, microsites, and back end to html and flash banners.


Required skills:
-Perl
-Flash Action Script
-Java
-CGI


URL for more information: http://www.incline.co.uk/

Contact information:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Incline
20-22 Rosebery Ave
London
EC1R 4SX









Re: Report on the Glasshouse Stores

2002-05-22 Thread Lucy McWilliam


On Wed, 22 May 2002, Kate L Pugh wrote:

 Beer: Jon noted that there were no hand-pulled beers.  Boo.

Double boo.  Did I mention there's a beer festival happening in Cambridge
*right now*?


 Alas, the food was not universally considered good.

Food is for wimps ;-)


   http://husk.org/pics/?browse=glasshouse_stores_2002-05-21

http://husk.org/pics/index.cgi?view=glasshouse_stores_2002-05-21/
leon_is_very_rude.jpg

Put it away!

Also something about a lack of girly drinks.  What would you consider a
girly drink?


L.
Sic Transit Van





Re: Report on the Glasshouse Stores

2002-05-22 Thread David Cantrell

On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 11:05:11PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote:
 On Wed, 22 May 2002, Kate L Pugh wrote:
  Beer: Jon noted that there were no hand-pulled beers.  Boo.
 Double boo.  Did I mention there's a beer festival happening in Cambridge
 *right now*?

Did I mention that I'll probably be there along with some of the regulars
from $newsgroup?

-- 
Grand Inquisitor Reverend David Cantrell | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david

Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity.  It
eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight to the
business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation.
-- Johnny Hart




Re: Report on the Glasshouse Stores

2002-05-22 Thread Nicholas Clark

On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 10:08:06PM +0100, Kate L Pugh wrote:
 On Wed 22 May 2002, Jonathan Stowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Well that'll be a no from me then.
 
 Cool, so you'll come to a meet if we find somewhere with good beer? :)

I bet he'll only admit to liking the beer from Harvey's pubs within 15 miles
of Lewes. :-)

Nicholas Clark
-- 
Even better than the real thing:http://nms-cgi.sourceforge.net/




Re: Report on the Glasshouse Stores

2002-05-22 Thread David Cantrell

On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 10:45:14PM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote:
 On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 10:08:06PM +0100, Kate L Pugh wrote:
  On Wed 22 May 2002, Jonathan Stowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Well that'll be a no from me then.
  Cool, so you'll come to a meet if we find somewhere with good beer? :)
 I bet he'll only admit to liking the beer from Harvey's pubs within 15 miles
 of Lewes. :-)

Mmmm ... Harveys ...

-- 
David Cantrell|Reprobate|http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david

   Educating this luser would be something to frustrate even the
   unflappable Yoda and make him jam a lightsaber up his arse
   while screaming praise evil, the Dark Side is your friend!.
  -- Derek Balling, in the Monastery




[OT] Credit cards

2002-05-22 Thread lpm


 Ok, I'm looking for a credit card with a 0% rate
on balance transfers for n months for some n = 6.
Being able to manage it over the web would be very
good too. I already have an Egg card, so aside from
that, any recommendations?

 (Hopefully a sensible From: name on this one...)

 aef