auction time
Well its nearly YAPC::Europe again and that means we have to find some extra items to sell all in order to make sure that the conference pays its bills and future conferences can continue to keep the price down. So does anyone have anything that they think would sell? You can give something physical e.g. Dave Cross just bought and gave us some signed Willow/Buffy photos a few years ago (Buffy sold for more), or maybe you can offer your services to write a testsuite for something or you could sell something very conceptual like a date - however the last one works best if its original and you have two parties who disagree on it and are willing to put some cash of their own and to persuade others to help out to get the result they want. Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED] msn://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: auction time
Greg McCarroll wrote: So does anyone have anything that they think would sell? I could sell a running joke, or another recurrent mention of something, for the P5P summaries. - That's not like I was copying on Piers. Is it ?
Re: auction time
ps I am Jos' and Elaine's bitch I believe Elaine prefers 'pussy-whipped towel boy', but my memory may be faulty... +Pete -- A cucumber should be well-sliced, dressed with pepper and vinegar, and then thrown out. -- Samuel Johnson
Re: auction time
* Leon Brocard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Greg McCarroll sent the following bits through the ether: So does anyone have anything that they think would sell? I would just like to point out that I have already been auctioned off this month and that auctioning me off again would create a conflict between my buyers. Absolutely Leon YOU cannot auction yourself off, however Jos and Elaine can ;-) Come to think of it I need someone to do all my shit work, scan, crack copyrights, whatever I want. Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED] msn://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: auction time
* Rafael Garcia-Suarez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Greg McCarroll wrote: So does anyone have anything that they think would sell? I could sell a running joke, or another recurrent mention of something, for the P5P summaries. - That's not like I was copying on Piers. Is it ? straw poll - would anyone be interested in bidding on this? just think you could give Rafael a word to use every time and see how long it took people to spot it. or maybe you could buy it and propose to your loved one via a P5P summary, how romantic! ;-) Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED] msn://[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: auction time
Greg McCarroll wrote: * Rafael Garcia-Suarez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I could sell a running joke, or another recurrent mention of something, for the P5P summaries. - That's not like I was copying on Piers. Is it ? straw poll - would anyone be interested in bidding on this? More amazing things happen. just think you could give Rafael a word to use every time and see how long it took people to spot it. or maybe you could buy it and propose to your loved one via a P5P summary, how romantic! ;-) Or more seriously you could buy a feature. Force me to include weekly stats, for example (number of mails, of patches, of bugs, of fixes, of commits...).
failed tests
hi, could someone/anyone test a module for me? it builds fine on all my machines but keeps failing for cpan testers. it's non-xs and very small: Inline::Interp 0.03 http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/I/IA/IAMCAL/Inline-Interp-0.03.tar.gz the error i'm getting from cpan testers is during the `make test` phase: http://testers.cpan.org/search?request=distdist=Inline-Interp thanks, --cal
Re: failed tests
On Thursday 26 June 2003 9:13 am, Cal Henderson wrote:
hi,
could someone/anyone test a module for me? it builds fine on all my
machines but keeps failing for cpan testers. it's non-xs and very
small:
Inline::Interp 0.03
I haven't tried it, but in t/01basic.t don't you mean $@ not $! ?
Also, you might want to add a README to the distribution.
HTH
Ian
--
perl -e'sd012a012121012ad6a010b012a2b212131d0c212131010ad2b8121013121
31s\ss,$*=qr[2-9],$==length,s($*)$|x$1ge,$=*=3,yabc234,$=
/=2,$|+=1,$=+=4,s($*)$|x$1gxes(\d{5})$*=$1,$-=0,$*=~s#(.)#$-*=2,
$-=$-+$1#ge,chr($-+$=)gxes$$/sd(.)$\U$1gs^.print1'
Re: auction time
On Thursday, Jun 26, 2003, at 09:22 Europe/Amsterdam, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Leon Brocard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Greg McCarroll sent the following bits through the ether: So does anyone have anything that they think would sell? I would just like to point out that I have already been auctioned off this month and that auctioning me off again would create a conflict between my buyers. Absolutely Leon YOU cannot auction yourself off, however Jos and Elaine can ;-) Come to think of it I need someone to do all my shit work, scan, crack copyrights, whatever I want. what's it worth to you my german friend? the specimen is still young and able bodied.. and he doesn't object much -- even if he does, a good slapping with a wet towel usually silences him :) -- Jos Boumans Cocaine is God's way of telling you you make too much money CPANPLUS http://cpanplus.sf.net
Nested maps
I finally got round to packaging my NestedMap module, and have uploaded it to CPAN. Bug reports, code review, pedantic documentation-testers from heck, and steak and kidney pies are welcome. -- David Cantrell
Re: auction time
Peter Sergeant [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth: * *I believe Elaine prefers 'pussy-whipped towel boy', but my memory may be *faulty... No, he was unsuitable for that since he kept bringing me orange towels. I won't be auctioning myself off either as I have enough to do with helping to keep Jarkko from going nuts over the elusive 5.8.1. Maybe we could auction you off Pete...Just think of the joy you'd give to Uri for 20 quid :) e.
Re: failed tests
On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Cal Henderson wrote: hi, could someone/anyone test a module for me? it builds fine on all my machines but keeps failing for cpan testers. it's non-xs and very small: Inline::Interp 0.03 http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/I/IA/IAMCAL/Inline-Interp-0.03.tar.gz the error i'm getting from cpan testers is during the `make test` phase: http://testers.cpan.org/search?request=distdist=Inline-Interp As Ian said, you want $@ instead of $! - $! may possibly hold an error fron a failed file open in a use or require /J\
Re: failed tests
At 09:33 GMT 26.06.03, Ian Brayshaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : I haven't tried it, but in t/01basic.t don't you mean $@ not $! ? argh. thankyou --cal
Re: failed tests
On Thursday 26 June 2003 10:12 am, Cal Henderson wrote:
At 09:33 GMT 26.06.03, Ian Brayshaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: I haven't tried it, but in t/01basic.t don't you mean $@ not $! ?
argh. thankyou
Not a problem. You might also want to have a look at Test::More and
Test::Exception. They provide test wrappers for making sure your code
compiles, as well as handling live/die tests (saves you having to wrap
things in eval{} all the time and checking $@).
Ian
--
perl -e'sd012a012121012ad6a010b012a2b212131d0c212131010ad2b8121013121
31s\ss,$*=qr[2-9],$==length,s($*)$|x$1ge,$=*=3,yabc234,$=
/=2,$|+=1,$=+=4,s($*)$|x$1gxes(\d{5})$*=$1,$-=0,$*=~s#(.)#$-*=2,
$-=$-+$1#ge,chr($-+$=)gxes$$/sd(.)$\U$1gs^.print1'
Contracts for contractors
Hi folx, Do any of you wild 'living life on the edge' contractor types have a standard contract that you use (and, by extension, that I can use)? I'm looking for normal monthly work contracts rather than fixed-price job type contracts. Jon P.S. If these are things that you all have to pay solicitors hundreds of quid to draw up for you then just say, I'm not trying to get stuff on the cheap. -- Jonathan Peterson Technical Manager, BMJ Knowledge, +44 (0)20 7383 6092 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XML::LibXML::Common encodeToUTF8() annoyances
Andrew Wilson wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 11:00:54AM -0700, Toby Corkindale wrote: Gah! my head-wall; Your head has a wall method! What does it do? It sends a message to everyone currently logged in to his head, preceded by Broadcast Message from ... -- Jonathan Peterson Technical Manager, BMJ Knowledge, +44 (0)20 7383 6092 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PUB] Meet Jos on Sat
Jos is in town thus we are going to the pub to show him how to drink. When: This Saturday (28th), from 6pm-ish Where: The Window Castle http://grault.net/cgi-bin/grubstreet.pl?Windsor_Castle,_W8_7AR You are all welcome to join us! Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ scribot.http://www.scribot.com/ ... Useless invention no. 404: Low salt brine
Re: [PUB] Meet Jos on Sat
Leon Brocard sent the following bits through the ether: Where: The Window Castle Window Castle? I must be going mad. Windsor Castle, as in the URL of course. Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ scribot.http://www.scribot.com/ ... I'm sorry, Reality is not in service at this time
Re: auction time
I won't be auctioning myself off either as I have enough to do with helping to keep Jarkko from going nuts over the elusive 5.8.1. Maybe we could auction you off Pete...Just think of the joy you'd give to Uri for 20 quid :) Jokes about Uri's stem[1] aside, I'll go on the record as saying I'm willing to be auctioned for anything aevil thinks I'll bring in money, with the obvious caveat[2]. +Pete [1] www.stemsystems.com [2] Get out clause: as long as my g/f doesn't complain (selling my kidneys would of course violate this...) -- B: Pinky, Are you pondering what I'm pondering? P: Wuh, I think so, Brain, but isn't Regis Philbin already married? -- Pinky and Brain
Re: auction time
On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Peter Sergeant wrote: [2] Get out clause: as long as my g/f doesn't complain (selling my kidneys would of course violate this...) Would she complain if she won the auction for your kidneys ? the hatter
[sigs] a small collection
it's been a while, as always, ignore if you don't care, but for those that
do:
super simple code, with very gentle obfu.
eval packH*,join,qw757365205469653a3a48616e646c653b7375622054494548
414e444c457b626c6573735c24697d737562205052494e547b73656c65637424712c2471
2c24712c28247c3d7072696e74292f39666f722073706c69742f2f2c224a75737420416e
6f74686572205065726c204861636b6572227d7469652a4a4150482c2471;print JAPH
the next 2 are a bit cheesy
eval($u=q%$_=357485838432657879847269823280698276327265677569823396;
print\eceval(\$u=q\x25;s|..|$j=$u;$k=lc chr$;$j=~s#($k)#\e[7m$k\e[m#g
;print\e[0;11H$j\x25)\e[5;.(++$o).H$1$/;select$q,$q,$q,0.2|eg;#!%);
$a{$_}++for split//,$i=*rekcah lrep rehtona tsuj;print\ec;@a=keys%a;
while($i){if($a[0]eq$w){$j.=$w;$w=0}$w=$w?$w:chop$i;$l=$x=$c=0;$y=3;for(
0..15){$l?$y:$x+=$_8?-1:1;$c=$l=!$l if!(++$c%($l?5:$_7?4:5));print
\e[H$j$/|\e[$y;$x\H$a[$_].$/[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED];select$q,$q,$q,.1}
can't remember if i've posted this before:
$b{$_}=$_ for 1..9;while(@c=sort{rand.5}keys%b)[EMAIL PROTECTED]($c
=!$c)?X:O;$_=123456789147258369159357;s#(.)(.)(.)#$p=$ if$a[$1]eq$a[$
2]$a[$1]eq$a[$3]$a[$1]#eg;printf%s%s\e[m%s,$p=~/$_/?\e[7m:,$_?
$a[$_]||.:\ec,$_%3?$:$/for 0..9;$p?exit:select$q,$q,$q,.1}
(i was thinking of putting in some game playing code rather than the
randomness we've got here, but i don't think it'll fit in 4 lines)
my maze sig, in 6 lines for those that missed it before. I've been
hacking for ages trying to get it down, but i'm buggered if i can find any
more spare chars (i also tried doing it with bitwise operators):
$p=1;[EMAIL PROTECTED]$_47$_751,($p-1)%47$m[$p-1]ne|?$p-2:0,($p+2)
%47$m[$p+1]ne|?$p+2:0,$m[$p]ne _?$p+47:0,$m[$p-47]ne _?$p-47:0;$m[$p
]||=_;if($l){print$_?$_%47?$p-$_?$m[$_]:o:$/|:\e[Hfor 0..750;$p749?
exit:select$q,$q,$q,[EMAIL PROTECTED](([EMAIL PROTECTED])-$p)**24?$m[$r$p?$p:$r]=$:(
$m[$r$p?$r-1:$r+1]=_):([EMAIL PROTECTED],redo);[EMAIL
PROTECTED],$v{$p=$r}=$p;if(keys%v3
(any ideas about getting this smaller? mail me of list!)
and finally in honour of wimbledon - i'm sure peeps might have seen this:
$m=2;$x=$y=4;$n=$|=1;print\ec;$f.=\e[$_;20H|\nfor(1..11);{printf$f
\e[$y;$x\H \e[%d;%dH*\e[$l;H \e[%dH\e[7m \e[m\e[$r;40H \e[%d;40H,$y+=$n
*=$y2|$y10?-1:1,$x+=$m*=$x3|$x37?-1:1,$l+=($c=$l-($m0?6:$y))?$c0?-
1:1:0,$r+=($c=$r-($m0?6:$y))?$c0?-1:1:0,select$q,$q,$q,0.1;redo}
enjoy
alex
--
$_=just another technical yahoo!;@b=sort{rand cmp [EMAIL PROTECTED]//;$|=
print\ec;[EMAIL PROTECTED];sub p{print\e[$_[1];$_[0]H$_[2]}while($e=$a[$g++]){
$f=0;{redo if$b[$f++]ne$e}$b[$f-1]=0;p($f,1,$);$i=$f-$g0?1:-1;while($f
!=$g){select$q,$q,$q,p($f,2,$e)/20;p(($f+=$i)-$i,2,$)}p($f,3,$e.$/)}
Anagram (1 of 21)
Re: [sigs] a small collection
snip
my maze sig, in 6 lines for those that missed it before. I've been
hacking for ages trying to get it down, but i'm buggered if i can find any
more spare chars (i also tried doing it with bitwise operators):
$p=1;[EMAIL PROTECTED]$_47$_751,($p-1)%47$m[$p-1]ne|?$p-2:0,($p+2)
%47$m[$p+1]ne|?$p+2:0,$m[$p]ne _?$p+47:0,$m[$p-47]ne _?$p-47:0;$m[$p
]||=_;if($l){print$_?$_%47?$p-$_?$m[$_]:o:$/|:\e[Hfor 0..750;$p749?
exit:select$q,$q,$q,[EMAIL PROTECTED](([EMAIL
PROTECTED])-$p)**24?$m[$r$p?$p:$r]=$:(
$m[$r$p?$r-1:$r+1]=_):([EMAIL PROTECTED],redo);[EMAIL
PROTECTED],$v{$p=$r}=$p;if(keys%v3
(any ideas about getting this smaller? mail me of list!)
doh!
missed a line (i get confused if it's over 4 lines :-) )
$p=1;[EMAIL PROTECTED]$_47$_751,($p-1)%47$m[$p-1]ne|?$p-2:0,($p+2)
%47$m[$p+1]ne|?$p+2:0,$m[$p]ne _?$p+47:0,$m[$p-47]ne _?$p-47:0;$m[$p
]||=_;if($l){print$_?$_%47?$p-$_?$m[$_]:o:$/|:\e[Hfor 0..750;$p749?
exit:select$q,$q,$q,[EMAIL PROTECTED](([EMAIL PROTECTED])-$p)**24?$m[$r$p?$p:$r]=$:(
$m[$r$p?$r-1:$r+1]=_):([EMAIL PROTECTED],redo);[EMAIL
PROTECTED],$v{$p=$r}=$p;if(keys%v344
!$l){$m[$_]||=$_47|$_==$p?_:|for 0..750;%v=$p=$l=print\ec}redo}
al
Re: [sigs] a small collection
$_=just another technical yahoo!;@b=sort{rand cmp [EMAIL PROTECTED]//;$|=
print\ec;[EMAIL PROTECTED];sub p{print\e[$_[1];$_[0]H$_[2]}while($e=$a[$g++]){
$f=0;{redo if$b[$f++]ne$e}$b[$f-1]=0;p($f,1,$);$i=$f-$g0?1:-1;while($f
!=$g){select$q,$q,$q,p($f,2,$e)/20;p(($f+=$i)-$i,2,$)}p($f,3,$e.$/)}
I'd like at this point to point out that anyone who actually ever runs
Perl code found in anyone else's signature, without deobfuscating it
first, shouldn't be allowed near a computer.
I was recently sent a three line, heavily obfuscated Perl signature
virus that makes itself your mutt signature, and attempts to hide the
fact from you. Although not in the wild, I'm sure it's only a matter of
time before someone writes and releases something similar.
Running obfuscated code is A VERY VERY BAD IDEA.
+Pete
--
B: Pinky, Are you pondering what I'm pondering?
P: Uh, I think so, Brain, but we'll never get a monkey to use dental
floss.
-- Pinky and Brain
Re: [sigs] a small collection
snip Running obfuscated code is A VERY VERY BAD IDEA. yep, although at least you know where i live. (or at least some do...). also i hope most of you know i'm a nice kind of chap who isn't so lame as to do something malicious (lame enough to write obfuscated sigs though..). Alex +Pete -- B: Pinky, Are you pondering what I'm pondering? P: Uh, I think so, Brain, but we'll never get a monkey to use dental floss. -- Pinky and Brain
Re: [sigs] a small collection
yep, although at least you know where i live. (or at least some do...). also i hope most of you know i'm a nice kind of chap who isn't so lame as to do something malicious (lame enough to write obfuscated sigs though..). Windows email viruses also often send themselves from seemingly trusted users. My point was more that you shouldn't simply assume someone you know's .sig is harmless. +Pete -- B: Pinky, Are you pondering what I'm pondering? P: Uh, I think so, Brain, but burlap chafes me so. -- Pinky and Brain
Re: Contracts for contractors
Jonathan Peterson wrote: P.S. If these are things that you all have to pay solicitors hundreds of quid to draw up for you then just say, I'm not trying to get stuff on the cheap. I'm curious. Elaine just used the term 'quid' a few emails ago, and now Jonathan. Could someone please explain what is a 'quid'? Thank you all. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Luis Campos de Carvalho Computer Scientist, Unix Sys Admin Certified Oracle DBA http://br.geocities.com/monsieur_champs/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Re: XML::LibXML::Common encodeToUTF8() annoyances
Jonathan Peterson wrote: Andrew Wilson wrote: Toby Corkindale wrote: Gah! my head-wall; Your head has a wall method! What does it do? It sends a message to everyone currently logged in to his head, preceded by Broadcast Message from ... funny Oh. I see. At a first glance, I tought that you have a method to bang your head against the wall (that hurts a lot, believe me)... /funny -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Luis Campos de Carvalho Computer Scientist, Unix Sys Admin Certified Oracle DBA http://br.geocities.com/monsieur_champs/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Re: Contracts for contractors
On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Luis Campos de Carvalho wrote: Jonathan Peterson wrote: P.S. If these are things that you all have to pay solicitors hundreds of quid to draw up for you then just say, I'm not trying to get stuff on the cheap. I'm curious. Elaine just used the term 'quid' a few emails ago, and now Jonathan. Could someone please explain what is a 'quid'? 1 pound. Sam -- Pogonophobia: The fear of Beards.
Re: Contracts for contractors
From: Luis Campos de Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 6/26/03 12:50:46 PM I'm curious. Elaine just used the term 'quid' a few emails ago, and now Jonathan. Could someone please explain what is a 'quid'? Quid is the real name of the UK's monetary unit. You might hear it called a pound by people who don't know what they are talking about, but quid is the proper term. A quid is made up of 20 shillings, each of which contains 12 pennies. There are also larger amounts called a monkey and a pony, but you never really need those. Hope this helps, Dave... -- http://www.dave.org.uk Let me see you make decisions, without your television - Depeche Mode (Stripped)
Re: Contracts for contractors
On Thu, 2003-06-26 at 12:50, Luis Campos de Carvalho wrote: Elaine just used the term 'quid' a few emails ago, and now Jonathan. Could someone please explain what is a 'quid'? A quid is another word for a pound (UKP). One of the things that I found hardest to explain to Tracy was when you do and don't use it. You can't use it interchangably, just for certain values. Hmm, sounds like Acme::Quid to me.
Re: Contracts for contractors
Dave Cross wrote: Quid is the real name of the UK's monetary unit. You might hear it called a pound by people who don't know what they are talking about, but quid is the proper term. A quid is made up of 20 shillings, each of which contains 12 pennies. Thank you very much, Dave. Please allow me just one more question. I would like to know the relation stated below: (\d+) monkey == (\d+) pony == 1 quid == 20 shillings == 240 pennies Hope this helps, This is the first time I meet a monetary system that is not based on the relation 100 - 50 - 20 - 10 - 5 - 1 - 0.50 - 0.25 - 0.10 - 0.01 The English system looks like ? - ? - 1 - 0.05 - 1/240 That is completelly new to me... =-] Thank you for explaining it to me. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Luis Campos de Carvalho Computer Scientist, Unix Sys Admin Certified Oracle DBA http://br.geocities.com/monsieur_champs/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Re: Contracts for contractors
snip Quid is the real name of the UK's monetary unit. You might hear it called a pound by people who don't know what they are talking about, but quid is the proper term. A quid is made up of 20 shillings, each of which contains 12 pennies. There are also larger amounts called a monkey and a pony, but you never really need those. and of course a score = 20 quid. a Hope this helps, Dave... -- http://www.dave.org.uk Let me see you make decisions, without your television - Depeche Mode (Stripped)
Re: Contracts for contractors
Sam Smith wrote: On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Luis Campos de Carvalho wrote: Jonathan Peterson wrote: P.S. If these are things that you all have to pay solicitors hundreds of quid to draw up for you then just say, I'm not trying to get stuff on the cheap. I'm curious. Elaine just used the term 'quid' a few emails ago, and now Jonathan. Could someone please explain what is a 'quid'? 1 pound. Another thing interesting about 'pound' and 'quid' is that they are both their own plurals. No need to add an ess anywhere. Jasper
Re: Contracts for contractors
On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 02:04 pm, Dave Cross wrote: A quid is made up of 20 shillings, each of which contains 12 pennies. Sorry to correct you Dave, but i think you'll find a quid is made of of 20 bob.
Re: Contracts for contractors
From: Luis Campos de Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 6/26/03 1:19:39 PM Thank you very much, Dave. Please allow me just one more question. I would like to know the relation stated below: (\d+) monkey == (\d+) pony == 1 quid == 20 shillings == 240 pennies A pony is 25 quid and a monkey is 500 quid. But as I said before, you might want to avoid using them as these terms carry a slight inference that the money is being used for criminal purposes (for example a bribe). Hope this helps, This is the first time I meet a monetary system that is not based on the relation 100 - 50 - 20 - 10 - 5 - 1 - 0.50 - 0.25 - 0.10 - 0.01 The English system looks like ? - ? - 1 - 0.05 - 1/240 That is completelly new to me... =-] Yes, but it's positively simple compared with our systems of length and weight :) Thank you for explaining it to me. It was a pleasure :) Dave... -- http://www.dave.org.uk Let me see you make decisions, without your television - Depeche Mode (Stripped)
Re: Contracts for contractors
Redvers Davies wrote: On Thu, 2003-06-26 at 12:50, Luis Campos de Carvalho wrote: Elaine just used the term 'quid' a few emails ago, and now Jonathan. Could someone please explain what is a 'quid'? A quid is another word for a pound (UKP). One of the things that I found hardest to explain to Tracy was when you do and don't use it. You can't use it interchangably, just for certain values. Hmm, sounds like Acme::Quid to me. Interesting. And what such a module would do? Monetary conversions, maybe? pony == (monkey|quid|shilling|penny) monkey == (pony|quid|shilling|penny) quid == (pony|monkey|shilling|penny) shilling == (pony|monkey|quid|penny) penny== (pony|monkey|quid|shilling) And maybe we could (verbalize|de-verbalize) monetary ammounts, like ACME::Quid-verbalize( '1 quid', 'quid' ); would return 'one quid'; ACME::Quid-verbalize( '1 quid', 'penny' ); would return 'two hundred and forty pennies'; and so on... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Luis Campos de Carvalho Computer Scientist, Unix Sys Admin Certified Oracle DBA http://br.geocities.com/monsieur_champs/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Re: Contracts for contractors
On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 10:19:39AM -0300, Luis Campos de Carvalho wrote: Dave Cross wrote: Quid is the real name of the UK's monetary unit. You might hear it called a pound by people who don't know what they are talking about, but quid is the proper term. A quid is made up of 20 shillings, each of which contains 12 pennies. Thank you very much, Dave. Please allow me just one more question. I would like to know the relation stated below: (\d+) monkey == (\d+) pony == 1 quid == 20 shillings == 240 pennies Hope this helps, This is the first time I meet a monetary system that is not based on the relation 100 - 50 - 20 - 10 - 5 - 1 - 0.50 - 0.25 - 0.10 - 0.01 The English system looks like ? - ? - 1 - 0.05 - 1/240 It was a UK system, not exclusively english. We (the UK) abandoned this madness sometime in the 1970's I'm 37 and I barely remember it. There were also halfpennies and farthings (which were 1/4 pennies). Other commonly used values Tuppence2 pennies Thrupence 3 pennies sixpence6 pennies There were also florins which were 2 shillings. A Guinney Which I believe was 21 shillings (instead of 20 in the pound). There were also crowns and half crowns although I can't remember how much they were worth. If I've got any of this wrong, no doubt someone will put me right. andrew -- Capricorn: (Dec. 22 - Jan. 19) You'll have the kind of week that makes you wish your parents had followed through on their military-school threats, but for different, sexier reasons.
Re: Contracts for contractors
On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Luis Campos de Carvalho wrote: Redvers Davies wrote: On Thu, 2003-06-26 at 12:50, Luis Campos de Carvalho wrote: Hmm, sounds like Acme::Quid to me. Interesting. And what such a module would do? Interestingly enough, almost exactly the same as Math::Units? S. -- Shevekhttp://www.anarres.org/ I am the Borg. http://www.gothnicity.org/
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Luis Campos de Carvalho wrote: Jonathan Peterson wrote: P.S. If these are things that you all have to pay solicitors hundreds of quid to draw up for you then just say, I'm not trying to get stuff on the cheap. I'm curious. Elaine just used the term 'quid' a few emails ago, and now Jonathan. Could someone please explain what is a 'quid'? I would check out this: http://www.hemyockcastle.co.uk/money.htm#slang it is likely you will see more of this stuff :-) /J\
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Dave Cross wrote: A pony is 25 quid and a monkey is 500 quid. But as I said before, you might want to avoid using them as these terms carry a slight inference that the money is being used for criminal purposes (for example a bribe). Oh, I see. So what is the 'banking' name of UK money? I mean, what is the official name for the UK money? Yes, but it's positively simple compared with our systems of length and weight :) Is there more? Cool! =-] Can you point me somewhere on the net where I can (read|learn) about this? Thank you very, very, very much! -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Luis Campos de Carvalho Computer Scientist, Unix Sys Admin Certified Oracle DBA http://br.geocities.com/monsieur_champs/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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On Thu, 2003-06-26 at 13:49, Luis Campos de Carvalho wrote: Oh, I see. So what is the 'banking' name of UK money? I mean, what is the official name for the UK money? Not the Euro :-D Red
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Luis Campos de Carvalho wrote: Hmm, sounds like Acme::Quid to me. Interesting. And what such a module would do? Interestingly enough, almost exactly the same as Math::Units? I don't know. Math::Units is able to use UK measures and convert UK money as it was presented on the last emails? If yes, many thanks to Math::Units::AUTHOR. Maybe we could write a patch to Math::Units or extend it to Math::Units::UK... Thanks, The Borg =-] -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Luis Campos de Carvalho Computer Scientist, Unix Sys Admin Certified Oracle DBA http://br.geocities.com/monsieur_champs/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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From: Andy Mendelsohn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 6/26/03 1:26:15 PM On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 02:04 pm, Dave Cross wrote: A quid is made up of 20 shillings, each of which contains 12 pennies. Sorry to correct you Dave, but i think you'll find a quid is made of of 20 bob. Bob and shilling are (as Andy knows well) two names for the same thing. I have, however, just remembered that I missed out a couple of important amounts: A crown = 5 shillings (5 bob) = 60 pence Half a crown = 2 and a half shillings = 30 pence Dave... -- http://www.dave.org.uk Let me see you make decisions, without your television - Depeche Mode (Stripped)
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Luis Campos de Carvalho said: This is the first time I meet a monetary system that is not based on [base ten numbers] that's because the english system in question dates from a time when doing things in a metric/decimal way hadn't been discovered to be a generally good idea. i believe they still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea. not that the merkins are much better --- we know that metric will save us, and even had a national plan to switch almost thirty years ago, but we're still on the old-school aaanglish system. -- muppet scott at asofyet dot org
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On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 07:01:29AM -0700, Dave Cross wrote: From: Andy Mendelsohn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 6/26/03 1:26:15 PM On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 02:04 pm, Dave Cross wrote: A quid is made up of 20 shillings, each of which contains 12 pennies. Sorry to correct you Dave, but i think you'll find a quid is made of of 20 bob. Bob and shilling are (as Andy knows well) two names for the same thing. Yes, two tanners. I have, however, just remembered that I missed out a couple of important amounts: A crown = 5 shillings (5 bob) = 60 pence Half a crown = 2 and a half shillings = 30 pence There must be others... Dave... /joel
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On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 07:10:56AM -0700, Dave Cross wrote: There are others like a fathom (6 feet - but used to measure depths not lengths or heights), a chain (22 yards - the length of a cricket pitch I think) and a furlong (220 yards). And a chain is 4 rods (or poles or perches) which makes a rod (pole or perch) 4½ yards (and a square rod pole or perch 20¼ square yards) Alternatively a chain is 100 links, which sounds almost metric. (Quick, wash your mouth out)(or bah, that sounds too sane to be Imperial) Which makes a link 7.92 inches. (which restores the insanity) Meanwhile, which is heavier, an ounce of feathers or an ounce of gold? Nicholas Clark
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On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 03:09:19PM +0100, Joel Bernstein wrote: On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 07:01:29AM -0700, Dave Cross wrote: From: Andy Mendelsohn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 6/26/03 1:26:15 PM On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 02:04 pm, Dave Cross wrote: A quid is made up of 20 shillings, each of which contains 12 pennies. Sorry to correct you Dave, but i think you'll find a quid is made of of 20 bob. Bob and shilling are (as Andy knows well) two names for the same thing. Yes, two tanners. I have, however, just remembered that I missed out a couple of important amounts: A crown = 5 shillings (5 bob) = 60 pence Half a crown = 2 and a half shillings = 30 pence There must be others... I don't think dave mentioned the Florin (2 shillings) or the Farthing (1/4 penny). Then there's the tuppeny bit, the thruppeny bit and the sixpence which were all coins in general circulation. andrew -- Taurus: (April. 20 - May 20) You've long said that if the love of dozens of nurses is a crime, you are guilty. Now, however, it's time to get your opinion on their brutal murders.
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Luis Campos de Carvalho wrote: Dave Cross wrote: A pony is 25 quid and a monkey is 500 quid. But as I said before, you might want to avoid using them as these terms carry a slight inference that the money is being used for criminal purposes (for example a bribe). Oh, I see. So what is the 'banking' name of UK money? I mean, what is the official name for the UK money? Pounds sterling, I think. -Dom -- | Semantico: creators of major online resources | | URL: http://www.semantico.com/ | | Tel: +44 (1273) 72 | | Address: 33 Bond St., Brighton, Sussex, BN1 1RD, UK. |
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Dave Cross wrote: Here's a brief guide to our measures of length. 1 foot is 12 inches 1 yard is 3 feet 1 mile is 1760 yards There are others like a fathom (6 feet - but used to measure depths not lengths or heights), a chain (22 yards - the length of a cricket pitch I think) and a furlong (220 yards). What fun! Fortune saves the day with essential facts such as: 1.79 x 10^12 furlongs per fortnight -- it's not just a good idea, it's the law! If it comes to obscure units, I always had a great fondness for the nanocentury: %% (fortunes) How many seconds are there in a year? If I tell you there are 3.155 x 10^7, you won't even try to remember it. On the other hand, who could forget that, to within half a percent, pi seconds is a nanocentury. -- Tom Duff, Bell Labs -Dom -- | Semantico: creators of major online resources | | URL: http://www.semantico.com/ | | Tel: +44 (1273) 72 | | Address: 33 Bond St., Brighton, Sussex, BN1 1RD, UK. |
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On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 03:16:58PM +0100, Andrew Wilson wrote: We currenlty have the following coins: 1pround copper 2pround copper but for the past few years actually made from steel coated to give the same colour as the old alloy, because the old alloy was becoming too expensive 5pround silver 10p round silver 20p hexagonal silver 50p hexagonal silver Both are heptagonal - they have 7 sides. This can surprise foreigners 1 pound round brass 2 pound round silver and brass Has the inscription Standing on the shoulders of giants around the edge. Anyone tempted to avoid code re-use (Not Invented Here should obtain a £2 coin and read it) There are £5 coins minted for special occasions, which I believe are as legal tender as anything else. Nicholas Clark
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(\d+) monkey == (\d+) pony == 1 quid == 20 shillings == 240 pennies A pony is 25 quid and a monkey is 500 quid. Does £1000 == a 'Gorilla'? -- Nigel Hamilton Turbo10 Metasearch Engine email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel:+44 (0) 207 987 5460 fax:+44 (0) 207 987 5468 http://turbo10.com Search Deeper. Browse Faster.
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Nicholas Clark wrote: Meanwhile, which is heavier, an ounce of feathers or an ounce of gold? In air, an ounce of gold. In a vacuum, they weigh the same. Ian - -- The soul would have no rainbows if the eyes held no tears. Ian Malpass [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 03:16:58PM +0100, Andrew Wilson wrote: We currenlty have the following coins: 20phexagonal silver 50phexagonal silver s/x/pt/g R
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On Thursday, June 26, 2003, 3:18:39 PM, Dave Thorn wrote:
DT And an acre, which is/was a measurement of the area a team of oxen could
DT plough in one day, or (4,840 square yards).
DT I wonder if they had a measure for oxen standards.
*.weights-and-measures, metric, imperial, american, the lot, all seem to
be discussed in depth (but from a largely British perspective) at
http://www.ex.ac.uk/cimt/dictunit/dictunit.htm
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Nicholas Clark wrote: Meanwhile, which is heavier, an ounce of feathers or an ounce of gold? In air, an ounce of gold. In a vacuum, they weigh the same. Ian - -- The soul would have no rainbows if the eyes held no tears. Ian Malpass [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dave Cross wrote: Here's a brief guide to our measures of length. 1 foot is 12 inches 1 yard is 3 feet 1 mile is 1760 yards There are others like a fathom (6 feet - but used to measure depths not lengths or heights), a chain (22 yards - the length of a cricket pitch I think) and a furlong (220 yards). What fun! Dave Thorn, Nicholas Clark, Dave Cross and Andrew Wilson: I'm amazed with your patience. I earn both you a pintch of ale. (is this correct?) I will pay you as soon as I can trip to (UK|Australia), or you come to Brazil to the first YAPC::America::South::BR (I still don't know when) Where are you all now? Australia, UK, Deutchland, other? Thank you all very much. =-] -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Luis Campos de Carvalho Computer Scientist, Unix Sys Admin Certified Oracle DBA http://br.geocities.com/monsieur_champs/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Dominic Mitchell wrote: Fortune saves the day with essential facts such as: 1.79 x 10^12 furlongs per fortnight -- it's not just a good idea, it's the law! If it comes to obscure units, I always had a great fondness for the nanocentury: %% (fortunes) How many seconds are there in a year? If I tell you there are 3.155 x 10^7, you won't even try to remember it. On the other hand, who could forget that, to within half a percent, pi seconds is a nanocentury. -- Tom Duff, Bell Labs I prefer metric units, especially ones that are easy to convert to imperial ones. Like the attoparsec. Which is fairly similar to an inch. If you're measuring speeds, you obviously need a time unit to go with your length, I propose wider adoption of the millifortnight - about 20 minutes. the hatter
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Dave Cross said: Currently it's called sterling. Soon it will become the Euro. Yes, but it's positively simple compared with our systems of length and weight :) Is there more? Cool! =-] Can you point me somewhere on the net where I can (read|learn) about this? Thank you very, very, very much! A Google search for imperial units of measure might be a good start. Here's a brief guide to our measures of length. 1 foot is 12 inches whose foot? wasn't it some king? 1 yard is 3 feet an american football field is 100 yards long. 1 mile is 1760 yards don't forget 1 mile == 5280 feet. and an acre is 200 feet by 200 feet. There are others like a fathom (6 feet - but used to measure depths not lengths or heights), a chain (22 yards - the length of a cricket pitch I think) and a furlong (220 yards). furlongs are still used in horse racing. speaking of, horses' heights are measured in hands. there are ells, rods, and if you're in more backwoods places, pieces (e.g., that's a far piece), yonders (e.g., way over yonder), and yeas (e.g., you know, about yea high, usually accompanied by a hand gesture). volume measures are weird, too: ounces, cups, pints, quarts, gallons, barrels, thimbles, something smaller than an ounce that i can't remember and tonnes and tons are different from metric tons. plus the generic quantities: 1 = one, a 2 = two, couple, pair, brace 3 = a few 4 = some 5 = several 6 = a bunch 7 = a lot there are several (5) multipliers, usually used only on a lot and a bunch: .5x ickle 2x whole 4x damn 7x bleedin' 10x f*ckin' plus combinations, such as a whole, whole lot (2x2x7=28), and a whole damn f*uckin bunch (2x4x10x6=480). however, infinity, or at least the superlative limit of something's magnitude, is brass monkey. last i checked, Math::Units doesn't cover any of that. -- muppet scott at asofyet dot org
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Luis Campos de Carvalho wrote: Dave Cross wrote: Here's a brief guide to our measures of length. 1 foot is 12 inches 1 yard is 3 feet 1 mile is 1760 yards There are others like a fathom (6 feet - but used to measure depths not lengths or heights), a chain (22 yards - the length of a cricket pitch I think) and a furlong (220 yards). What fun! Dave Thorn, Nicholas Clark, Dave Cross and Andrew Wilson: I'm amazed with your patience. I earn both you a pintch of ale. (is this correct?) That would probably be a yard of ale.
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Nigel Hamilton wrote: Does £1000 == a 'Gorilla'? No, but £2000 is an Archer. :-) -Dom -- | Semantico: creators of major online resources | | URL: http://www.semantico.com/ | | Tel: +44 (1273) 72 | | Address: 33 Bond St., Brighton, Sussex, BN1 1RD, UK. |
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On Thursday, June 26, 2003 14:26 +0100 Andy Mendelsohn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 02:04 pm, Dave Cross wrote: A quid is made up of 20 shillings, each of which contains 12 pennies. Sorry to correct you Dave, but i think you'll find a quid is made of of 20 bob. So is the relationship between shilling and bob like that between GMT and UTC? -- David Cantrell
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At 14.35 + 03-06-26, the hatter wrote: If you're measuring speeds, you obviously need a time unit to go with your length, I propose wider adoption of the millifortnight - about 20 minutes. I prefer the microfortnight, 1.2096 seconds. -- Anders Hellström
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Ian Malpass said: On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Nicholas Clark wrote: Meanwhile, which is heavier, an ounce of feathers or an ounce of gold? In air, an ounce of gold. In a vacuum, they weigh the same. bzzt! they always weigh the same, because the same mass experiences the same amount of gravitational attraction. air vs vacuum makes a difference for falling speed, which for some reason is of incredible interest to physicists. -- muppet scott at asofyet dot org
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On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 03:27:21PM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote: 5p round silver 10p round silver 20p hexagonal silver 50p hexagonal silver Both are heptagonal - they have 7 sides. This can surprise foreigners Indeed they are. Braino on my part. Would you believe I actually hoked one out my pocket and counted the sides. Doh! andrew -- Aries: (March 21 - April 19) You have always considered yourself a belt-and-suspenders type, which makes it all the more amusing when your pants fall down anyway.
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On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 03:27:59PM +0100, Ian Malpass wrote: On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Nicholas Clark wrote: Meanwhile, which is heavier, an ounce of feathers or an ounce of gold? In air, an ounce of gold. In a vacuum, they weigh the same. No, because it is a different trick question An ounce of gold, because gold is measured in Troy ounces, whereas feathers (and just about everything else) is measured in Avoirdupois ounces. A Troy ounce is heavier. Which is heavier, a pound of gold or a pound of feathers? Nicholas Clark
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We currenlty have the following coins: --- 20p hexagonal silver 50p hexagonal silver --- andrew Um, I think septagonal is the accurate term: http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/pics/dec20.html http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/pics/dec50.html Dave (Just Another Pedantic Hacker)
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On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 04:40:09PM +0200, Anders Hellstr?m wrote: At 14.35 + 03-06-26, the hatter wrote: If you're measuring speeds, you obviously need a time unit to go with your length, I propose wider adoption of the millifortnight - about 20 minutes. I prefer the microfortnight, 1.2096 seconds. The best unit is the millihelen - which is defined as the amount of beauty required to launch one ship. /joel
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So... what you're telling me here, is that if I take an ounce of feathers and place them on a set of scales, then it will weigh less than an ounce? Or that ounce of gold weigh will weigh more than an ounce? From: Ian Malpass [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 15:28:40 +0100 (BST) On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Nicholas Clark wrote: Meanwhile, which is heavier, an ounce of feathers or an ounce of gold? In air, an ounce of gold. In a vacuum, they weigh the same. Ian - -- The soul would have no rainbows if the eyes held no tears. Ian Malpass [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile
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On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 03:42:11PM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote: On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 03:27:59PM +0100, Ian Malpass wrote: On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Nicholas Clark wrote: Meanwhile, which is heavier, an ounce of feathers or an ounce of gold? In air, an ounce of gold. In a vacuum, they weigh the same. No, because it is a different trick question An ounce of gold, because gold is measured in Troy ounces, whereas feathers (and just about everything else) is measured in Avoirdupois ounces. A Troy ounce is heavier. Which is heavier, a pound of gold or a pound of feathers? How many troy ounces in a troy pound again? 12oz? /joel
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muppet said: volume measures are weird, too: ounces, cups, pints, quarts, gallons, barrels, thimbles, something smaller than an ounce that i can't remember One of my favourite recipes calls for a scant gill of milk, which I always found rather poetic. -- Paul Johnson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pjcj.net
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From: Nicholas Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 6/26/03 2:19:10 PM Meanwhile, which is heavier, an ounce of feathers or an ounce of gold? I believe they are the same. However if your question was which is heavier a _pound_ of feathers or a _pound_ of gold? then the answer (surprisingly) is a pound of feathers (by about 14%). Dave... -- http://www.dave.org.uk Let me see you make decisions, without your television - Depeche Mode (Stripped)
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On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 07:10:56AM -0700, Dave Cross wrote: I mean, what is the official name for the UK money? Currently it's called sterling. Soon it will become the Euro. For some value of soon. -- Chris Benson
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On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 04:50:04PM +0200, Paul Johnson wrote: muppet said: volume measures are weird, too: ounces, cups, pints, quarts, gallons, barrels, thimbles, something smaller than an ounce that i can't remember One of my favourite recipes calls for a scant gill of milk, which I always found rather poetic. From what I remember, sprits are sold in fractions of a gill. The Northern Irish measure is 1/4 gill, the rest of the UK uses 1/6 gill. Which makes an Irish double about the size of an English tripple (ish). I say ish because they've both gone metric to 35ml and 25ml respectively. andrew -- Gemini: (May 21 - June 21) Once again, it's a bad week for romance in the workplace, but romance has nothing to do with your coworkers taking you from behind while you're Xeroxing.
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On Thursday, June 26, 2003, 3:27:21 PM, Nicholas Clark wrote:
2 pound round silver and brass
NC Has the inscription Standing on the shoulders of giants around the edge.
NC Anyone tempted to avoid code re-use (Not Invented Here should obtain
NC a £2 coin and read it)
Does it? Never noticed that.
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coin/fx
I think this one's broke. It's got Deoxyribonucleic Acid written round
the edge. And a rather cool double helix printed on the tails side. Hmm I
quite like that. I'll try to remember to put it to one side.
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On Thu, 2003-06-26 at 15:33, David Cantrell wrote: On Thursday, June 26, 2003 14:26 +0100 Andy Mendelsohn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday, June 26, 2003, at 02:04 pm, Dave Cross wrote: A quid is made up of 20 shillings, each of which contains 12 pennies. Sorry to correct you Dave, but i think you'll find a quid is made of of 20 bob. So is the relationship between shilling and bob like that between GMT and UTC? No. bob has nothing todo with the French :-) Graham.
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muppet said: volume measures are weird, too: ounces, cups, pints, quarts, gallons, barrels, thimbles, something smaller than an ounce that i can't remember One of my favourite recipes calls for a scant gill of milk, which I always found rather poetic. From what I remember, sprits are sold in fractions of a gill. The Northern Irish measure is 1/4 gill, the rest of the UK uses 1/6 gill. Which makes an Irish double about the size of an English tripple (ish). I say ish because they've both gone metric to 35ml and 25ml respectively. Scottish measures are bigger too (from fond memory), I think they might be 1/5 gill. Ooh, and whilst searching for the correct fraction, I found some other curious Scots quantities: 4 gills = 1 mutchkin 2 mutchkins = 1 chopin dave
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Joel Bernstein wrote: There must be others... Guinea, 21 shillings, or 1 pound, 1 shilling. Still used in horse racing or perhaps pony racing? T.
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snip there are several (5) multipliers, usually used only on a lot and a bunch: .5x ickle 2x whole 4x damn 7x bleedin' 10x f*ckin' plus combinations, such as a whole, whole lot (2x2x7=28), and a whole damn f*uckin bunch (2x4x10x6=480). however, infinity, or at least the superlative limit of something's magnitude, is brass monkey. actually that's a measure of cold. there is 1 SI unit used as well - the sh*tload as in 1 SI sh*tload of X al last i checked, Math::Units doesn't cover any of that. -- muppet scott at asofyet dot org
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[OK mariachi, how you gonna thread this?] On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 03:45:30PM +0100, Joel Bernstein wrote: On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 03:42:11PM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote: A Troy ounce is heavier. Which is heavier, a pound of gold or a pound of feathers? How many troy ounces in a troy pound again? 12oz? On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 08:00:13AM -0700, Dave Cross wrote: I thought that the ounces were the same weight and the difference only arose because a Troy pound was 14oz as opposed to an Avoirdupois pound which is 16oz. I could be wrong tho'. http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_weight implies that I am :( Yes, it's 12 Troy ounces in a Troy pound, which makes the pound of feathers heavier. Metric is /so/ boring. Nicholas Clark
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David Wright said: Scottish measures are bigger too (from fond memory), I think they might be 1/5 gill. Ooh, and whilst searching for the correct fraction, I found some other curious Scots quantities: 4 gills = 1 mutchkin 2 mutchkins = 1 chopin Which is well on the way to Brahms and Liszt. -- Paul Johnson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pjcj.net
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On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 04:20:18PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: however, infinity, or at least the superlative limit of something's magnitude, is brass monkey. actually that's a measure of cold. there is 1 SI unit used as well - the sh*tload as in 1 SI sh*tload of X I think you'll find that it's a metric f*cktonne. /joel
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Joel Bernstein wrote: On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 04:40:09PM +0200, Anders Hellstr?m wrote: At 14.35 + 03-06-26, the hatter wrote: If you're measuring speeds, you obviously need a time unit to go with your length, I propose wider adoption of the millifortnight - about 20 minutes. I prefer the microfortnight, 1.2096 seconds. The best unit is the millihelen - which is defined as the amount of beauty required to launch one ship. Now you're just making things up. c.f. the MARS Book of Standards Weights and Measures, a publication well-known in rocketry circles consisting largely of measures and non-dimensioned units for in related applications. Another obscure but official unit which I occassionally use in the correct context is a jiffy, as in just a jiffy, which is actually 1/50th (or occassionally 1/60th of a second depending on what video standard you're using) the hatter
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On Thu, 2003-06-26 at 14:51, Chris Benson wrote: For some value of soon. Soon being defined as If i'm here, over my dead body. Hmm, what was I doing on Tuesday again?
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there is 1 SI unit used as well - the sh*tload as in 1 SI sh*tload of X Also is the closely related 'Shed' /J\
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On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 03:31:31PM +, the hatter wrote: The best unit is the millihelen - which is defined as the amount of beauty required to launch one ship. My favourite unit is the barn. I don't recall what it is, something like 10^(-26) at a rough guess. Oh, the wit of pyysicists with their toys. I mean, you could hit a barn door with that jet of elementary particles. m. -- Andrew: I don't mind cause I got titties -- Family ties : http://www.thefamilykerr.co.uk Playtime: http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk
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For some value of soon. Soon being defined as If i'm here, over my dead body. Surely the value of 'soon' here means 'as soon as possible', and implies that it would be an exceptionally good thing? /me dons flame-retardant suit, runs, ducks, covers +Pete -- B: Pinky, Are you pondering what I'm pondering? P: Uh, I think so, Brain, but where will we find a duck and a hose at this hour? -- Pinky and Brain
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On Thu, 2003-06-26 at 16:00, Peter Sergeant wrote: For some value of soon. Soon being defined as If i'm here, over my dead body. Surely the value of 'soon' here means 'as soon as possible', and implies that it would be an exceptionally good thing? So you're saying you want me dead? Cool.
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, the hatter wrote: Another obscure but official unit which I occassionally use in the correct context is a jiffy, as in just a jiffy, which is actually 1/50th (or occassionally 1/60th of a second depending on what video standard you're using) A jiffy is 1/HZ of a second, where HZ depends on your architecture. On most x86s, it's 1/100. S. -- Shevekhttp://www.anarres.org/ I am the Borg. http://www.gothnicity.org/
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On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 10:56:09AM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: Andrew Wilson wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 11:00:54AM -0700, Toby Corkindale wrote: Gah! my head-wall; Your head has a wall method! What does it do? It sends a message to everyone currently logged in to his head, preceded by Broadcast Message from ... And if his head is running NetWare it's effectively a denial of service attack, because all his clients hang until some human visits and pressed Control-Enter to acknowledge the message. Nicholas Clark
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, muppet wrote: Ian Malpass said: On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Nicholas Clark wrote: Meanwhile, which is heavier, an ounce of feathers or an ounce of gold? In air, an ounce of gold. In a vacuum, they weigh the same. bzzt! they always weigh the same, because the same mass experiences the same amount of gravitational attraction. air vs vacuum makes a difference for falling speed, which for some reason is of incredible interest to physicists. Bzzt! You're forgetting the effect of uplift in a fluid. Now, of course, we're assuming the feathers are in an uncompressed state Ian - -- The soul would have no rainbows if the eyes held no tears. Ian Malpass [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Rob Thompson top-quoted: In air, an ounce of gold. In a vacuum, they weigh the same. So... what you're telling me here, is that if I take an ounce of feathers and place them on a set of scales, then it will weigh less than an ounce? Or that ounce of gold weigh will weigh more than an ounce? No, they'll both have a mass of an ounce. Their weight - the force exerted on them by gravity - differs, due to the different uplift by the air around them. As I mentioned before (assuming this post doesn't beat my last one) I'm assuming uncompressed feathers. Ian - -- The soul would have no rainbows if the eyes held no tears. Ian Malpass [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday, June 26, 2003 15:19 +0100 Nicholas Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alternatively a chain is 100 links, which sounds almost metric. (Quick, wash your mouth out)(or bah, that sounds too sane to be Imperial) But we're saved by the hundredweight not being a hundred anything. -- David Cantrell
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Ian Malpass wrote: On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, muppet wrote: Ian Malpass said: On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Nicholas Clark wrote: Meanwhile, which is heavier, an ounce of feathers or an ounce of gold? In air, an ounce of gold. In a vacuum, they weigh the same. bzzt! they always weigh the same, because the same mass experiences the same amount of gravitational attraction. air vs vacuum makes a difference for falling speed, which for some reason is of incredible interest to physicists. Bzzt! You're forgetting the effect of uplift in a fluid. Now, of course, we're assuming the feathers are in an uncompressed state But you're forgetting the Manchurian Gambit of 1978, in which it was clearly demonstrated that this very gravitational maneuveur could be used to traverse the vacuum and end up at King's Cross station. Tut tut. -- Chris Devers
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, David Cantrell wrote: On Thursday, June 26, 2003 15:19 +0100 Nicholas Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alternatively a chain is 100 links, which sounds almost metric. (Quick, wash your mouth out)(or bah, that sounds too sane to be Imperial) But we're saved by the hundredweight not being a hundred anything. Surely 100 hundreths of a hundredweight should be about right, no? -- Chris Devers
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Shevek wrote: A jiffy is 1/HZ of a second, where HZ depends on your architecture. On most x86s, it's 1/100. Unless you're using a Pentium, in which case it's 1/101... -- Chris Devers
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, Chris Devers wrote: Bzzt! You're forgetting the effect of uplift in a fluid. Now, of course, we're assuming the feathers are in an uncompressed state But you're forgetting the Manchurian Gambit of 1978, in which it was clearly demonstrated that this very gravitational maneuveur could be used to traverse the vacuum and end up at King's Cross station. For shame, Mr. Devers! Oh, for shame! The Manchurian Gambit of 1978 has been considered obsolete since 1981, after Lt. Col. Charles Monkfish (rtd.) demonstrated that no feathers could exist at King's Cross station without being attached to a pigeon. In the words of Monkfish himself: Like, duh! Ian - -- The soul would have no rainbows if the eyes held no tears. Ian Malpass [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday, June 26, 2003 19:37 +0100 Ian Malpass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For shame, Mr. Devers! Oh, for shame! The Manchurian Gambit of 1978 has been considered obsolete since 1981, after Lt. Col. Charles Monkfish (rtd.) demonstrated that no feathers could exist at King's Cross station without being attached to a pigeon. In the words of Monkfish himself: Like, duh! This subthread has reminded me - is platform 9.75 permitted under the current rules? My gaming group couldn't decide, so we treat it like a clone of platform 9, but this seems inelegant. -- David Cantrell
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Ian Malpass wrote: No, they'll both have a mass of an ounce. Their weight - the force exerted on them by gravity - differs, due to the different uplift by the air around them. As I mentioned before (assuming this post doesn't beat my last one) I'm assuming uncompressed feathers. Ian ..and what happens if the ounce of gold is in golf leaf form? Surely then, the surface area of gold would be larger than the surface area of the feathers and so, the uplit force due to air would be greater on the gold.
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On Thu, 2003-06-26 at 18:16, Ian Malpass wrote: No, they'll both have a mass of an ounce. Their weight - the force exerted on them by gravity - differs, due to the different uplift by the air around them. No. Their weight - the force exerted on them by gravity is the same. The force in the opposing direction is a seperate force.
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003, David Cantrell wrote: On Thursday, June 26, 2003 19:37 +0100 Ian Malpass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For shame, Mr. Devers! Oh, for shame! The Manchurian Gambit of 1978 has been considered obsolete since 1981, after Lt. Col. Charles Monkfish (rtd.) demonstrated that no feathers could exist at King's Cross station without being attached to a pigeon. In the words of Monkfish himself: Like, duh! This subthread has reminded me - is platform 9.75 permitted under the current rules? My gaming group couldn't decide, so we treat it like a clone of platform 9, but this seems inelegant. My understanding is that it is permitted only if reached by flying car, and seeing as *those* are in such short supply... If anyone asks how you got there, LIE. -- Chris Devers
