Fave calendering software?
Basic hour-by-hour, daily, weekly, monthly, yearly views. Something that produces HTML output for inclusion or direct embeddable on the web would be my personal ideal, to be shared with various types of people. E.g., a client could see in detail what I'm doing on their project and the rest is simply blocked off as available/not available. Prospects could get an overview of availability say during a month. Does anyone use Evolution's calendaring and have any comments? (iCal looks great but is OS X only, right?) Paul -- Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/ If I ask for help, will you be kind and help me, then kermit would have been blue. -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/
Re: Bug in perl?
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:13, David Cantrell wrote;
DC die(need to provide a Baz) unless($params{baz}-isa('Baz'));
DC Can't call method isa on an undefined value at ...
DC Help me Obi-London.pm, you're my only hope!
You're not using Attribute::Handlers anywhere are you? I noticed
something similar recently. Actually in this case a method from the
wrong stash was being called.
Devel::Peek and Scalar::Util are your friends debugging these sorts of
problems. Perhaps changing it to something like:
(blessed $params{baz} and $params{baz}-isa(Baz))
--
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Re: insidious biometrics, identity crises
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:39, Nicholas Clark wrote; NC Like Soylent Green? :) NC Imagine the heath warnings that would have to carry, if it were NC made in the US. NC (My immediate thought was the fat per 100g, based on my NC impression of US obesity statistics, but it occurs to me that NC may cause altzheimers or CJD would be the more worrying NC problem.) Interestingly, Alzheimer's is a condition which is easily reversable by a well managed dietry programme and lots of fish (or fish oil). It is almost certainly caused BY government dietary recommendations. They need that warning label on their food pyramid. Recent medical breakthroughs are revealing that a lot of modern conditions are due to overloading on carbohydrates and a lack of intake of fish - or, rather, the long chain omega 3 fatty acids EPA and DHA. The situation if you follow the government dietary recommendations and eat 6-8 servings of carbohydrates a day is that your insulin system goes bananas, which sets off a whole chain of events too complex for me to grasp fully let alone reproduce here, and ends up with every single cell in your body not functioning correctly (apparently ending in the inhibition of cyclic AMP production). I never studied biology, but I got a lot of this from reading what from the cover looks to be one of those Fad Diet books. Except unlike most of those books, about 20% of the book is the bibliography. For a few of the conditions he's claimed to be able to fix, I've done a little poking around on various web sites (especially PubMed) and his claims seem to correlate with real research. I'm not going to say what book it was, because I don't want any of you to attach previous associations you might have with other diets that promise similar things (eg, the Atkin's diet ... heh, Dr. Atkins died recently of heart disease, bless his cotton socks). So I'll just grossly oversimplify his suggestions with Less bread, more fruit and greens, and eat lots of fish or cod liver oil :-). Don't cut fat out either, unless it's saturated fat (eg, animal fat) - you need it. Olive oil is best. His Soylent Green would have 40% calories from complex carbohydrates and fructose, 30% from protein and 30% from fat, and give 2.5g of long-chain Omega 3 proteins per day. A couple of relevant studies for from PubMed: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrievedb=PubMedlist_uids=12432919dopt=Abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrievedb=PubMedlist_uids=12065621dopt=Abstract -- Sam Vilain, [EMAIL PROTECTED] If everything would be permitted to me, I would feel lost in the abyss of freedom IGOR STRAVINSKY
Re: insidious biometrics, identity crises
* at 28/08 18:26 +0200 Robin Berjon said: Nicholas Clark wrote: On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 05:39:49PM +0200, Robin Berjon wrote: I don't think that's what Elaine was pointing at. You're hit by a bus and die. How do they contact your friends and family if you can't be identified? Not sure. We seem to manage without. I didn't say you didn't manage, just that I thought that that was what Elaine was saying, and that it certainly helps. It also helps pull up your medical history from file if you're not dead but uncounscious or otherwise unable to communicate the fact that you may need special treatment for some reason. It's not actually relevant as people's medical records aren't held in a centralised way (as far as i know) so even if they do know who you are they then need to find out who your registered doctor is in order to get your medical records. I believe they've tried to computerise it but it all went terribly wrong so they gave up. s
Re: Fave calendering software?
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Paul Makepeace wrote: Basic hour-by-hour, daily, weekly, monthly, yearly views. Something that produces HTML output for inclusion or direct embeddable on the web would be my personal ideal, to be shared with various types of people. E.g., a client could see in detail what I'm doing on their project and the rest is simply blocked off as available/not available. Prospects could get an overview of availability say during a month. I found CyberCalendar via the mod_perl examples page a couple of months ago, and ...sort of like it. http://www.cyberweavers.com/download/cybercalendar.html CC is a web-based, browser-accessed application, and of the calendar applications I looked into at the time, I liked the feature set of CC best. In particular, of the calendar programs I looked at, it was the only one that advertised the ability to offer vCal files (which would be great for transferring entries from the server application to, say, Palm Desktop or Mozilla). Plus, you can setup different calendar categories, each of which may optionally allow public submission of events, and these public events can either be queued for review or posted directly to the site. On the downside, it's not very flexible. Most of the HTML is directly embedded in the Perl code, and it is very bad, old school FONT based HTML at that. They do silly things by letting you set a stylesheet where you fill out a not-very-clear form, and the fonts colors you select are dynamically plugged into page elements at serve time, rather than e.g. having the generated code use 'foo class=bar and having a real (if dynamically made) CSS sheet specify what to do with bar. I spent some time trying to clean this mess up, but it wasn't very fun and eventually I gave up on the idea. It also seemed to be flaky about letting you re-edit committed events. If something was supposed to happen next Tuesday, but now it's going to be next Thursday instead, there was no clean way to change this. Annoying. CC could be the prototype for a decent calendar program, but I assume that a rewrite rethinking of some basic assumptions could only help. *** Farther into the web-cal idea, Yahoo's calendar service doesn't seem to be that bad (some kind of Palm support, etc). The main thing that has kept me from signing up is just a general discomfort at the idea that I'd be recording my comings goings on some company's public servers. *** Back towards the desktop, Mozilla calendar is nice, but Palm Desktop isn't bad either, and you can download Win32 MacOS/OSX versions for free from Palm's site. If you don't have a PDA, you can just ignore that aspect of the application, but the functionality it provides is pretty good. Apparently, Palm Desktop is basically a rebranded version of Claris Organizer, which seems to have had a strong reputation even before the Newton came out, nevermind the Palm Pilot. And now it's free, and just as useful without the PDA as, I assume, Claris Organizer was. -- Chris Devers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://devers.homeip.net:8080/blog/ binary, adj. 1 Offering little choice; maximizing the chance of error. 2 Relating to the 20th century's boring challenge to the Babylonians. 3 Relating to a numbering system introduced to protect children from parental help during math homework assignments. 4 Reflecting the quintessential dichotomy of the universe. -- from _The Computer Contradictionary_, Stan Kelly-Bootle, 1995
Re: insidious biometrics, identity crises
* at 28/08 19:40 +0200 Ronan Oger (roasp) said: But how much are we *already* measured, controlled, and modelled, with and without our consent? Databas NAtion by Garfinkel (spl?) has a lot to say about this. with consent: air miles card purchases track spending habits in order to sell the individual behaviour to all-too-willing purchasers. But an air miles card is something I _choose_ to have. without: POS transactions (EC card in Europe, Interac in Canada) are tracked and cross-referenced to each other to generate spending-profile patterms. POS-transaction houses (my wife once worked for one) make the bulk of their money cross-referencing card-based spending patterns with air miles cards and CC cards, generating comprehensive behaviour models for individuals. We didn't really pay attention, but we gave consent to have this happen when we signed up to POS. There are limits in the EU about this, but you have to *know* it is happening in order to complain... While this is true I don't have to use POS. We still have the option of paying with real money so if you're bothered you can avoid the tracking. Plus, just because private companies are trying to track our every move doesn't provide justification for the government to attempt to do so, especially as the government has access to so much more information about us in the first place. ID cards are a _very_ seperate issue from the data mining of the private sector. Struan
Re: Translating {London,Paris}.pm (was: Re: Esperanto on London.pm (was Re: XML XML::LibXML...))
Je 2003-08-28 22:05:58 +0100, David Landgren skribis: [texte en fran?ais en fin de message] Kial? Kun la lingvo internacia oni devus nur unu... (Why? With the international language one'd only need one...) It was meant to be light-hearted, not churlish. I see mutterings about Esperanto on either side of the channel. I think that maybe it would be a good idea for those interested in working this project to come together and thrash out the details on a mailing list I just set up. Do something like: La tradukado aspektas relative facile, kiel vi diras, sed la hejmpag^o mem estas malinteresa! C^e Cafe Pacifico oni havas ideon reverki c^i tiun pag^on kaj eble utiligi vortojn kiujn estus penigaj traduki en Esperanto... ** (The translation is quite easy, as you say, but the homepage itself is boring! At the Cafe Pacifico there was the idea of rewriting the page and perhaps using words that would be challenging to translate into Esperanto...) Continuing in English: There has been murmurings of doing the cut over on sept 1. That's getting a bit close if we want some new copy - how about midnight UTC sept 1 (i.e. next Monday) for respective .pm homepages? I'll coordinate this with Mark see if we can create a simple plan. (Who's Paris.pm homepage leader?) G^is, Paul (qui trouve les langues naturelles trop difficiles, pardonnez-moi) PS If any other .pm groups would like their home pages translated, I'd be happy to oblige :-) If I can't find someone to read your language I'll find someone who can... -- Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/ What is sewing? All your base are belong to us. -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/
Re: Fave calendering software?
Paul Makepeace wrote: Basic hour-by-hour, daily, weekly, monthly, yearly views. Something that produces HTML output for inclusion or direct embeddable on the web would be my personal ideal, to be shared with various types of people. E.g., a client could see in detail what I'm doing on their project and the rest is simply blocked off as available/not available. Prospects could get an overview of availability say during a month. Does anyone use Evolution's calendaring and have any comments? (iCal looks great but is OS X only, right?) Paul I like Mozilla calendar: * RFC2445 * Multiple calendars which can be overlayed in any view * Remote calendars with WebDAV There's some code knocking around that does iCalendar - RDF - HTML. Here's the iCalendar - RDF bit http://www.w3.org/2002/12/cal/ical2rdf.pl And an RDF - weekly view in perl http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2003/weekly-view/ I'm sure I saw some XSLT to do the RDF - HTML but I can't find it right now. paul -- Paul Sharpe Tel: 619 523 0100 Fax: 619 523 0101 Russell Sharpe, Inc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4993 Niagara Avenue, Suite 209 http://www.russellsharpe.com/ San Diego, CA 92107-3185
Re: insidious biometrics, identity crises
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 08:37:56PM +0100, Sam Vilain wrote: On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:29, Chris Benson wrote; CB I thought it already was ... thinks: prison statistics/ I thought that the US prison statistics were because of the War on Drugs. Perhaps I mean sentencing statistics: - if you're poor you're X% more likely to be imprisoned for a particular offence, - if you're black you're Y% more likely to be imprisoned for a particular offence, I can't remember X and Y, but ISTR that X*Y is 10x more likely. -- Chris Benson
Re: insidious biometrics, identity crises
(this is in reply to several different messages in the same thread; this isn't intended to be confusing, but may be ...) On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 03:01:14PM +, Dominic Mitchell wrote: My body will be identified by my PGP key which is tattooed into my groin. ;-) 1. does your PGP key have an expiry date? 2. what will you do if you forget your passphrase? 3. or if your private key is compromised? 4. anyway, what's to stop anybody else having the same tattoo? i'm sure legitimate tattooists would refuse to do the tattoo unless you first prove that you control the corresponding private key, but what about rogue tattooists (in N. Korea)? um, getting back to ID cards ... though i would oppose a compulsory ID card even if it were just a piece of cardboard with name, address and photo (the police would use it to hassle people; no clear advantages), i'm much more strongly opposed a card with biometrics and a wide variety of data, because that would help to turn the country/world into a giant Panopticon, in which our every move is surveilled. which would enable a future government (bearing no resemblance to the present government) to do all kinds of evil things. and enable government agencies and corporations to get all kinds of information they shouldn't have, even while staying within the present (weak and unenforced) data protection law. as several people have said, the (present) government would doubtless do the IT very badly; which i'd say is a mixed blessing. it lessens the damage that a future evil government might do: they would be that much further from total control. but it would increase abuses by people prepared to break the rules a little, as well as by more professional criminals. ID cards aren't essential for constructing the Panopticon (TMTOWTDI); the only essentials are gathering yet more data and making it possible to link different databases together (by converting the remaining paper records to electronic form, establishing common IDs, etc.). several people have pointed out how credit card/POS/air mile data is already being (ab)used. i doubt if these are a bigger problem than a universal electronic ID card would be; but even if they are, that's no reason to accept the ID card! it's well worth publicizing information about these existing abuses - and pointing out that an electronic ID card would lead to more of the same. On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 12:54:23PM +0200, Robin Berjon wrote: Given the political weight there seems to be behind that, the appearance of universal ID cards in the UK may be inevitable. I think that what a group like london.pm can say is we understand it may happen anyway, but we see solid issues with this, that, and that. Making it sound constructive and helpful will imho be ten times more efficient than a frontal just-say-no attack filled to the brim with fear-mongering, irrespective of whether or not the refusal and the fear are well-motivated. i don't think it's inevitable: the Home Office seems to have made up its mind (in favour), but public opposition is quite strong, and the government has been weakened recently (Kenny did not die in vain). this government's style is to attack and ridicule any opposition, so i think confrontation with them is unavoidable; and confrontation can be effective even if not wholly successful (they went ahead in qarI, but may not try it in narI). i do agree that it's important to bring up the whole range of problems with ID cards; the biggest negative factor for most people ATM is probably either the cost or outrage at the idea of being required to show a card on demand (and i don't think these are bad reasons), but there are other important issues (some have been brought up in this thread) that should be given a wider airing. You mention sharing between countries (this in fact is already the case for much of the criminal data), but more worryingly companies. Is there a UK equivalent to the French CNIL[0]? It's a state agency, but only very rarely has it shown any complacency with violations to its rules, whether or not the state was involved. Those are the sort of people that should be gotten into the picture. If there is no equivalent, asking that something of the sort be created, with a clear charter on the protection of indiidual rights and with full power to investigate and counter government proposals going against it, would not only be a good idea but would come accross as a positive proposal. the nearest equivalent here is probably the Information Commissioner[1]. this is 1 person appointed by the government (and i think can be removed by the government, though that could be embarrassing for them); the commissioner is mainly supposed to oversee existing legislation, rather than propose changes in the law; i say oversee, not enforce, because not enough money is made available to take many people to court. there are some other commissioners covering different areas of the law; i
Re: insidious biometrics, identity crises
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 10:13:38PM +, the hatter wrote: I'm fairly sure the UK has a law like that, if not, then it did, and it might have been repealled. the nearest i can think of is the law criminalizing begging, which has not been repealed. i have a vague idea that when it was introduced, it was aimed at Irish ex-soldiers from the Napoleonic Wars (do you call them the Napoleonic Wars in France?), which could even be true, because i think i didn't get it from the internet. -- Phil Lanch0xD78D598DA6635CF32AB24593C98994B7D95B33E3 Give a man a fish; he'll be surprised. Teach him how to fish; he'll be slightly afraid. Use him as bait; he'll cack his pants. -- The League Against Tedium
London.pm identity cards
You know how people are always asking what it means to be a london.pm member? Do you have to live in London? Do you have to attend meetings? Do you have to watch Buffy? Or do you just have to be subscribed to the mailing list? Well I have a great idea! How about we all carry London.pm ID cards? That way, you could walk down any street in any town in the world and instantly know who was a card-carrying London.pm member just by asking to see their ID cards. It's perfect! It would probably save us millions by all but eliminating benefit fraud, mailing list spam, and people typing messages with their winkies. A (Yep, I've got another day off work and it's raining. Idle minds, etc.)
Re: London.pm identity cards
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Andy Wardley wrote: You know how people are always asking what it means to be a london.pm member? Do you have to live in London? Do you have to attend meetings? Do you have to watch Buffy? Or do you just have to be subscribed to the mailing list? Well I have a great idea! How about we all carry London.pm ID cards? That way, you could walk down any street in any town in the world and instantly know who was a card-carrying London.pm member just by asking to see their ID cards. It's perfect! It would probably save us millions by all but eliminating benefit fraud, mailing list spam, and people typing messages with their winkies. I can even offer to provides those for cheap, say 39.95 pounds (where is the pound sign when you need it?). Michel Rodriguez Perl amp; XML http://www.xmltwig.com
Re: London.pm identity cards
Je 2003-08-29 09:19:27 +0100, Andy Wardley skribis: It's perfect! It would probably save us millions by all but eliminating benefit fraud, mailing list spam, and people typing messages with their winkies. I saw an RFID bug recently - they're imminently swallowable, or even winky-insert-up-able (kacoens^ovebla). Mmm, a vibrating London.pm (at strictly ultra high frequencies, natch). Paul -- Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/ If bees make honey, then my sofa wouldn't speak through my guest's bottoms. -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/
Re: London.pm identity cards
Andy Wardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth: * *Well I have a great idea! How about we all carry London.pm ID cards? *That way, you could walk down any street in any town in the world and *instantly know who was a card-carrying London.pm member just by asking *to see their ID cards. :) Well, I'll put it to you this way...I've never had a problem picking out perl people in a crowd e.
Re: Fave calendering software?
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 12:11:05AM +0100, Paul Makepeace wrote: Basic hour-by-hour, daily, weekly, monthly, yearly views. Something that produces HTML output for inclusion or direct embeddable on the web would be my personal ideal, to be shared with various types of people. E.g., a client could see in detail what I'm doing on their project and the rest is simply blocked off as available/not available. Prospects could get an overview of availability say during a month. There's always swarmcal (written by Simon Wistow and my evil twin, Skippy). It's *so* not finished but it's up and working - in fact quite a few l.pmers have accounts on it. Mail me offlist if you want details / code. Ben
Re: insidious biometrics, identity crises
the hatter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unusually, for someone without a full license, I have a photocard, and I carry it most times, as a photo ID. It'll be interesting to see if I can use it as ID in the US, instead of my passport, though I won't be near much civilisation, so probably won't get IDd anyway. I'm going to have to correlate those two statements and conclude that you don't consider the US to be civilisation. ;-) -Dom -- | Semantico: creators of major online resources | | URL: http://www.semantico.com/ | | Tel: +44 (1273) 72 | | Address: 33 Bond St., Brighton, Sussex, BN1 1RD, UK. |
Re: insidious biometrics, identity crises
Michael Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 05:38:23PM +0100, Simon Wilcox wrote: 2. The governments ability to deliver large scale IT projects is almost zero. Time after time major projects have failed and this will be the largest IT project undertaken by central government. It is almost certain to fail too, wasting tens or hundreds of millions of pounds of our money. On a conceptual level I have no particular problem with carrying an id card. Do I trust the government to get it right and to protect my data ? Not a bloody chance ! Aah, but what programming language would be best for them to use on such a project? Oh, Ada, I'm sure. A language that doesn't have everything is actually easier to program in than some that do. -- Dennis M. Ritchie -Dom -- | Semantico: creators of major online resources | | URL: http://www.semantico.com/ | | Tel: +44 (1273) 72 | | Address: 33 Bond St., Brighton, Sussex, BN1 1RD, UK. |
Re: London.pm identity cards
Michel Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can even offer to provides those for cheap, say 39.95 pounds (where is the pound sign when you need it?). #163; What, no HTML email? ;-) -Dom -- | Semantico: creators of major online resources | | URL: http://www.semantico.com/ | | Tel: +44 (1273) 72 | | Address: 33 Bond St., Brighton, Sussex, BN1 1RD, UK. |
Re: London.pm identity cards
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Dominic Mitchell wrote: Michel Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can even offer to provides those for cheap, say 39.95 pounds (where is the pound sign when you need it?). #163; What, no HTML email? ;-) I can see a new thread starting, with people arguing for and against ID cards in XML (but will they be in Esperanto?). Michel Rodriguez Perl amp; XML http://www.xmltwig.com
Re: London.pm identity cards
Je 2003-08-29 09:58:40 +0100, Dominic Mitchell skribis: Michel Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can even offer to provides those for cheap, say 39.95 pounds (where is the pound sign when you need it?). #163; pound; might be easier for some to remember. http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/sgml/entities.html Paul, who prefers the 'q' suffix: I found 10q in some old jeans. -- Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/ What is how big is the sky? This is not the time for questions! This is the time for action! -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/
Re: London.pm identity cards
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:26, Michel Rodriguez wrote; MR (where is the pound sign when you need it?). Try AltGr+Shift+3 (or AltGr+#) with a standard XFree86 keymap... -- Sam Vilain, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This year's modesty award is given for a phrase spoken by a lecturer after a rather difficult concept had just been introduced. You may feel that this is a little unclear but in fact I am lecturing it extremely well.
Re: London.pm identity cards
Michel Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth: * *I can see a new thread starting, with people arguing for and against ID *cards in XML (but will they be in Esperanto?). http://www.axis-of-aevil.org/photos/yapc2003/IMG_1812.html Just have people be the XML :) e.
Re: London.pm identity cards
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 11:08:07AM +0200, Michel Rodriguez wrote:
I can see a new thread starting, with people arguing for and against ID
cards in XML (but will they be in Esperanto?).
XML? Huh!
rdf:RDF
xmlns:rdf=http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#;
xmlns:foaf=http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/;
foaf:Group
foaf:nameLondon Perl Mongers/foaf:name
foaf:homepage rdf:resource=http://london.pm.org//
foaf:member
foaf:Person
foaf:nameEarle Martin/foaf:name
foaf:mbox_sha1sum8699ba79a95abf86e0055c133bf5d87ceab921e9/foaf:mbox_sha1sum
foaf:homepage rdf:resource=http://downlode.org/
/foaf:Person
/foaf:member
/foaf:Group
/rdf:RDF
--
# Earle Martin http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?EarleMartin
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Re: London.pm identity cards
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 10:11:13AM +0100, Sam Vilain wrote: This year's modesty award is given for a phrase spoken by a lecturer after a rather difficult concept had just been introduced. You may feel that this is a little unclear but in fact I am lecturing it extremely well. That sounds like a quote from TWK, or someone like him. That's the second pseudo-Kornerism you've sigged us with today. Is there a reason? Ben, curious now
Re: London.pm identity cards
Je 2003-08-29 10:35:13 +0100, Ben skribis: On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 10:11:13AM +0100, Sam Vilain wrote: This year's modesty award is given for a phrase spoken by a lecturer after a rather difficult concept had just been introduced. You may feel that this is a little unclear but in fact I am lecturing it extremely well. That sounds like a quote from TWK, or someone like him. Or pretty much any of the older Cambridge lecturers. I'm quite sure I've heard something word for word in at least one Maths xerox sess^W^Wlecture. Similarly, in a tutorial, I'm not here to teach, I'm here to research. Paul -- Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/ What is beauty? Weblogs. -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/
Re: London.pm identity cards
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Sam Vilain wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:26, Michel Rodriguez wrote; MR (where is the pound sign when you need it?). Try AltGr+Shift+3 (or AltGr+#) with a standard XFree86 keymap... No AltGr on my keyboard, but Alt+# works in vi, but not in pico apparently, too bad I like using the native editor in pine. The cut-n-paste versions seems to work though: £ (although don't ask me what encoding I am using, ssh-ing from a Unicode enabled terminal to a machine that does not support Unicode and using pine there is a source of neverending headaches :--( To go back to the ID card subject, we have it in France, and I haven't been asked to show it by the police once in the last 10 years. It is mostly used when taking the plane, when you pay a purchase by check and as a proof of citizenship when dealing with bureaucracy. Interestingly enough a passport is not actually a proof of citizenship, at least in France and Canada [1][2]. Note that the bureaucracy here also seems to think that there are various levels of ID cards: they deny that the one I hold is a proof of citizenship, as it was delivered abroad and is not one of those shiny new safe ones they started delivering at the height of the xenophobia wave of the early 90's Bottom line, I believe the law that forces you to carry your ID at all times is yet an other way of allowing the police to harass people they don't like, while never being used against proper citizens (the definition of proper varying with each law enforcement personel, but generally not including anyone too dark-skinned) [1] http://www.france.diplomatie.fr/etrangers/vivre/passeport/ Qu'est-ce que le passeport ? C'est un document de voyage qui permet à son titulaire de circuler à l'étranger. Tout en n'en constituant pas la preuve, il établit une présomption de la nationalité de son titulaire. loose translation: ([A passport] is a travel document that allows its bearer to travel abroad. Although it is not a proof of citizenship, it hints at it (I love this sentence!) [2] http://www.ppt.gc.ca/faq/index_e.asp#232 ...A Canadian passport is an official travel document to identify the bearer, not proof of citizenship... Michel Rodriguez Perl amp; XML http://www.xmltwig.com
Re: insidious biometrics, identity crises
Quoting Sam Vilain ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Interestingly, Alzheimer's is a condition which is easily reversable by a well managed dietry programme and lots of fish (or fish oil). It is almost certainly caused BY government dietary recommendations. I highly doubt this. Seems a giant over simplification. promise similar things (eg, the Atkin's diet ... heh, Dr. Atkins died recently of heart disease, bless his cotton socks). Not true. He slipped and fell on an icy pavement. Cheers, -- Merijn Broeren | Sometime in the middle ages, God got fed up with us Software Geek | and put earth at sol.milky-way.univ in his kill-file. | Pray all you want, it just gets junked.
Getting a Hashkey for a Perl Data Structure
I'm spitting out files that I'm creating from a data structure.
Currently these are uniquely named using Data::UUID. It's very good at
the task, but in some situations I need the filename to stay the same for
each identical data structure each and every time I run my script.
Essentially what I need to do is calculate a hashkey for a Perl data
structure. What's the commonly accepted wisdom to do this? My wee little
brain is thinking serialisation either by Storable or YAML and then hashing
with Digest::MD5 or one of the other common string hashing routines. The
only problem I see with this is things like different versions of Storable
suddenly hashing to different values.
Ideas?
Mark.
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Re: insidious biometrics, identity crises
Je 2003-08-29 00:59:55 +0100, Sam Vilain skribis: eat 6-8 servings of carbohydrates a day is that your insulin system goes bananas, Heh. promise similar things (eg, the Atkin's diet ... heh, Dr. Atkins died recently of heart disease, bless his cotton socks). He in fact died while in a coma following slipping on ice earlier this year: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2957343.stm The more I read about lipid and carb metabolism the more I'm coming around to idea that diets high in trashy carbs (white bread, pasta, sugar, fructose, etc.) are more responsible for the increasingly fat obese populations of the UK US. There's More Than One Type of Fat, too. As you say, essential fatty acids are quite a different beast from transfats, etc (e.g. in margarine - why do people even consider eating this shit? Ignorance? Don't care about themselves? Laziness? Habit?) Sigh, Darwin... P -- Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/ What is jack? Makes a mess. -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/
Margarine (was Re: insidious biometrics, identity crises)
On 29 Aug 2003 at 10:56, Paul Makepeace wrote: margarine - why do people even consider eating this shit? Ignorance? Don't care about themselves? Laziness? Habit? My theory: no taste buds. Margarine icky, butter much better. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: london.pm digest, Vol 1 #1567 - 14 msgs
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: london.pm digest, Vol 1 #1567 - 14 msgs A message sent on Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:49:02 +0100 sent by [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] has been blocked by WGSN. This mail has been found to contain offensive text Well fuck that for a game of soldiers. /J\
Re: london.pm digest, Vol 1 #1567 - 14 msgs
Jonathan Stowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth: * *Well fuck that for a game of soldiers. Indeedand I just got a 'non-member' bounce. e.
Silly Mail Software (Re: Your message to london.pm awaits moderatorapproval (fwd))
This rather amused me. The conversation between two pieces of mail software could have gone on for ever. /J\ -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:42:19 +0100 (BST) From: Syssup MailBox [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Your message to london.pm awaits moderator approval Your mailer seems to be misconfigured. I'd be grateful if you could correct this, please. Mail from our mailer-daemon uses a return path set to . You should configure your mailer to NOT send automatic replies when the return path is in order to avoid establishment of mail loops. -- Ian Eiloart Servers Team University of Sussex Computing Service On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 16:52:02 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Your message to london.pm awaits moderator approval Your mail to 'london.pm' with the subject Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Post by non-member to a members-only list Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. -- UNIX Systems Support, Networks Servers Group, Computing Service * * Please send ALL new queries to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Thanks * *
No multipart or HTML
I've just discarded 56 spam messages caught by london.pm's anti-spam member- only policy. It was tedious, and is unlikely to get better. They all share the trait of having HTML in them. Is there any reason to continue to permit text/html or multipart/mixed messages anywhere in @london.pm.org ? I propose rejecting non text/plain messages in exim's system filter. The advantage of this is it is straightforward (and I know how to do it :-), requires no further admin, and is unlikely to generate false positives, and those that it does are trivially rectifiable. The bounce message could include some tips on setting MUAs to text/plain (URLs welcome). Thoughts? (Please restrict them to this issue rather than the more general HTML good/bad debate. This isn't about that.) Paul -- Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/ What is a coke? Terrible. -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/
Re: Silly Mail Software (Re: Your message to london.pm awaits moderator approval (fwd))
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 11:46:27AM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote: This rather amused me. The conversation between two pieces of mail software could have gone on for ever. /J\ -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:42:19 +0100 (BST) From: Syssup MailBox [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Your message to london.pm awaits moderator approval Your mailer seems to be misconfigured. I'd be grateful if you could correct this, please. Mail from our mailer-daemon uses a return path set to . You should configure your mailer to NOT send automatic replies when the return path is in order to avoid establishment of mail loops. Is this standard mailman replying to ? Or is there something subtle going on here? Nicholas Clark
Re: Margarine (was Re: insidious biometrics, identity crises)
Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29 Aug 2003 at 10:56, Paul Makepeace wrote: margarine - why do people even consider eating this shit? Ignorance? Don't care about themselves? Laziness? Habit? My theory: no taste buds. Margarine icky, butter much better. Ah, but only salted butter. Unsalted butter is the vile spawn of satan. -Dom -- | Semantico: creators of major online resources | | URL: http://www.semantico.com/ | | Tel: +44 (1273) 72 | | Address: 33 Bond St., Brighton, Sussex, BN1 1RD, UK. |
Re: No multipart or HTML
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Paul Makepeace wrote: Is there any reason to continue to permit text/html or multipart/mixed messages anywhere in @london.pm.org ? Fine by me. Glad you got rid of those mails - I saw the messages when I got in this morning and felt decidedly depondent at the prospect. /J\
Re: No multipart or HTML
Je 2003-08-29 11:46:09 +0100, Paul Makepeace skribis: Is there any reason to continue to permit text/html or multipart/mixed I meant s/mixed/alternative/, sorry. Mixed can be useful for posting code, altho' I imagine that could generate a debate in its own right. There've 20 such messages in the last six months. No multipart/mixed would've saved a couple of here are my CV reply-to fumbles :-) P -- Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/ If you are a boy, then sharks would get some barbecue. -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/
RE: Margarine (was Re: insidious biometrics, identity crises)
Dom wrote: Ah, but only salted butter. Unsalted butter is the vile spawn of satan. Unless you are making chocolate truffles or cakes in which case un-salted butter rules. Adrian ** The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system. Thank You.
Re: Fave calendering software?
Does anyone use Evolution's calendaring and have any comments? I've been playing with Evolution for 4 months, and am now trying to weam myself off it. I am dissatisfied with the amount of resources it takes up. I'm on KDE/300MB ram/500MHz Thinkpad 600X, and Evolution seems to take up too much of my precious resources. While it's nice and slick and does everything I need, I have resource issues when I run it at the same time as I run Mozilla. If you've got the resources, it's a nice tool. But if you're using slightly aged hardware, watch out for resources. Maybe it's not so bad if you're running Gnome already... Ronan
Re: insidious biometrics, identity crises
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 11:14:18PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
If you need special treatment it would seem reasonable to carry
something stating so, and it doesn't need to identify you if you don't
want to. For example, I believe many diabetics wear a bracelet with
some weird symbol on it so that medics know not to give them a chocolate
drip.
Sounds like MedicAlert. My mum has one for an intolerance.
http://www.medicalert.org.uk/how.htm
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Re: Fave calendering software?
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Ronan Oger (roasp) wrote: Does anyone use Evolution's calendaring and have any comments? I've been playing with Evolution for 4 months, and am now trying to weam myself off it. I am dissatisfied with the amount of resources it takes up. Evolution broke horribly in 1.4 with IMAP. They changed something in the way it scans for new messages and it's now too slow to be usable. I switched back to pine over imap and it seems to work fine for me. I do miss the calender and the contacts but on the whole I'm surviving without it ! Simon. -- Men were real men, women were real women and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were _real_ small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.
Re: No multipart or HTML
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 12:17:28PM +0100, Michael Stevens wrote: I'm fully in favour of banning text/html only messages, but I'm quite happy with multipart/alternative, as they usually render perfectly well in decent console MUAs. Spammers have noticed that people are banning text/html only; quite a bit of the spam I've seen recently has been of the form: multipart/alternative text/plain (blank) text/html (body of spam) Roger
Re: insidious biometrics, identity crises
Je 2003-08-29 12:16:19 +0100, Earle Martin skribis: Sounds like MedicAlert. My mum has one for an intolerance. thought type=market op Medic bracelets for No PHP/emacs/vi/HTML/etc? / Global reduction in geek blood pressure would follow swiftly... Paul -- Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/ What is a chicken? Can be found gently festering in a corner. -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/
RE: insidious biometrics, identity crises
Title: RE: insidious biometrics, identity crises
Merijn Broeren
Quoting Sam Vilain ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
Interestingly, Alzheimer's is a condition which is easily reversable
by a well managed dietry programme and lots of fish (or fish oil). It
is almost certainly caused BY government dietary recommendations.
I highly doubt this. Seems a giant over simplification.
IIRC, research at the University of Calgary has recently demonstrated
that the brain changes associated with Alzheimer's are directly
attributable to Mercury poisoning. Of course, that's largely in your
head[1], as the standard 'silver' fillings are comprised of just over
50% mercury. Not to mention its use in anti-fungals, pesticides,
etc., and the high levels typically found in sea food.
My s.o. has been ill for years with extreme pain, fatigue, and brain
troubles. She's starting to recover after having had her fillings
exchanged for composite ones last year. Without doing much in the
way of detox, some of her symptoms have almost completely gone, and
the rest about half better.
Philip
[1] Books about Mercury Toxicity
It's All in your Head by Hal Huggins (http://www.hugnet.com/)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0895295504/026-7813470-5213223
Menace in the Mouth by Jack Levenson
http://www.oceansofgoodness.com/uk/pages/products/menaceinmouth.htm
List of mercury-free UK dentists
http://www.amalgam.ukgo.com/ukdent.htm
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Re: No multipart or HTML
Je 2003-08-29 12:17:28 +0100, Michael Stevens skribis: I'm fully in favour of banning text/html only messages, but I'm quite happy with multipart/alternative, as they usually render perfectly well in decent console MUAs. Good point indeed, they do. However, just to clarify/reiterate: the purpose of trashing /alternative is that that is the source of the spam and thus admin hassle. This is really the domain of the debate, not whether it is viable or not; HTML bad; MUAs configurable etc. As it happens, m/* also messes up the digest archives. (This is arguably a fault of mailman pipermail but as that's not likely to be fixed we're stuck with it. Deployment of siesta may help[1] but will not stem the spam. Which is what this is about :-) Paul [1] altho' a non member post AND multipart/alternative = trash might be a nice rule if that doesn't already exist... -- Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/ What is vaginal growth development? On tuesdays. -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/
Re: No multipart or HTML
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 11:46:09AM +0100, Paul Makepeace wrote: I propose rejecting non text/plain messages in exim's system filter. The advantage of this is it is straightforward (and I know how to do it :-), Why not simply reject senders that are not subscribed to the list at SMTP time? The rejection message should be informative, like 550 posting to london.pm is restricted to members only. See http://whatever;. That way the messages don't get to mailman and you don't have to tend to administrative requests so much. It has the added bonus that you're not sending an email to the sender address. If the spammer (or virus!) faked it's sender address, and you generate a bounce or a mailman reply, then the wrong guy gets an email. Many spammers and viruses will not generate a bounce as a result of 550 at SMTP time, but all legitimate MTAs will. I suppose you'd have to set up a cron job to 'list_members london.pm' so you can create a file/dbm that exim can read. It only needs to rebuild the list if the config file has changed...
Re: No multipart or HTML
At 11:46 29/08/03, Paul M* wrote: Is there any reason to continue to permit text/html or multipart/mixed messages anywhere in @london.pm.org ? If someone sends both text and html as multipart/mixed would it be possible to throw away the html and leave it as plain text? Or are you suggesting that this is (almost) always spam? Alex
Re: No multipart or HTML
Paul Makepeace wrote: I've just discarded 56 spam messages caught by london.pm's anti-spam member- only policy. It was tedious, and is unlikely to get better. They all share the trait of having HTML in them. Is there any reason to continue to permit text/html or multipart/mixed messages anywhere in @london.pm.org ? Yes. Some people have no choice but to use crippled clients which insist on sending out bizarre formats. Now of course if they *only* send $fucked_up_format_of_the_week then they should be rogered with large barbed-wire dildos (and thrown off the list), but provided that there is a text/plain alternative then I see nothing particularly wrong with it. If you are finding the task of approving/deleting non-member posts too time-consuming for just one person to handle, I'd be happy to help out. -- David Cantrell | Benevolent Dictator | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced
Re: Getting a Hashkey for a Perl Data Structure
Mark Fowler wrote: Essentially what I need to do is calculate a hashkey for a Perl data structure. What's the commonly accepted wisdom to do this? My wee little brain is thinking serialisation either by Storable or YAML and then hashing with Digest::MD5 or one of the other common string hashing routines. The only problem I see with this is things like different versions of Storable suddenly hashing to different values. And even the same version of Storable (or Data::Dumper), with perl 5.8.1, will produce different results for the same hash, due to the new random ordering of hash keys. On the other hand YAML produces sorted keys by default, is a documented format, and is more compact.
Re: No multipart or HTML
Je 2003-08-29 12:42:23 +0100, Michael Stevens skribis: Yes, but it's the stop spam, but don't overly affect legimitate usage tradeoff that I was worried about. I strongly suspect there will be people reading london.pm from corporate mail clients where it is difficult/impossible to configure things like the format of messages that are generated. A dozen or so such messages in the last five months, which includes some misposts, and by two people who subsequently appeared to have fixed it. I did this research before hence the original proposal as it appears to minimally affect /anyone/. So few people affected that in effect the work of london.pm-admin would be to ongoingly trash dozens of spam every single day simply to serve those people who collectively post on average a couple of times a month, most of whom could fix their systems. This doesn't seem reasonable, even with a small army of moderators. David Cantrell: thanks! Consider yourself recruited; details coming offlist. Paul -- Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/ What is medicine? Cupidity. -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/
Re: No multipart or HTML
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Alex McLintock wrote: At 11:46 29/08/03, Paul M* wrote: Is there any reason to continue to permit text/html or multipart/mixed messages anywhere in @london.pm.org ? If someone sends both text and html as multipart/mixed would it be possible to throw away the html and leave it as plain text? Or are you suggesting that this is (almost) always spam? The messages that I have seen in the administrative queue for the list are exclusively spam or malware. However in two years of posts there have been around 80 multipart/mixed and 90 multipart/alternative messages. The multipart/alternative messages appear to be on the whole sent from a (ahem) popular piece of microsoft rootkit^W software or (and this is something I hadn't noticed before) or from hotmail/MSN accounts which don't appear to be configurable as to whether they send the message like this. /J\
Re: No multipart or HTML
At 12:35 29/08/03, Paul Makepeace wrote: Deployment of siesta may help[1] but will not stem the spam. Which is what this is about :-) What we should be asking ourselves is whether or not we want Paul messing around with spam protection when he should be translating the home page into Esperanto. :-) Alex
Re: insidious biometrics, identity crises
David Landgren wrote: ghandiI think it would be a nice idea./ghandi Although the scope of Ghandi's quote is much broader than the sole North-American civilisation. -- Their syphilisation, you mean, says the citizen. -- J. Joyce, Ulysses
Re: London.pm identity cards
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:35, Ben wrote;
Be That's the second pseudo-Kornerism you've sigged us with
Be today. Is there a reason?
Sheer chance I'm afraid :-)
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Re: insidious biometrics, identity crises
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:24, HellyerP wrote; He IIRC, research at the University of Calgary has recently He demonstrated that the brain changes associated with Alzheimer's He are directly attributable to Mercury poisoning. Of course, He that's largely in your head[1], as the standard 'silver' He fillings are comprised of just over 50% mercury. Not to mention He its use in anti-fungals, pesticides, etc., and the high levels He typically found in sea food. He does mention mercury and PCB contamination as one potential drawback with using average fish oil. That research is interesting, though I wonder if they are showing correlation or causitive effect. If Alzheimer's is a condition caused by brain degeneration, presumably there are several ways that this can happen. It is possible to get fish oil which has had these contaminants removed... perhaps this is more important than I thought. In his book he details several cases of literally reversing patients with alzheimer's disease back to full memory capacity personality in months using an Insulin regulating diet and (clean) concentrated fish oil. If you're interested, I'll send you a link to the book, it's a good read. He My s.o. has been ill for years with extreme pain, fatigue, and He brain troubles. She's starting to recover after having had her He fillings exchanged for composite ones last year. Without doing He much in the way of detox, some of her symptoms have almost He completely gone, and the rest about half better. /me considers getting all his amalgam fillings changed to composite... -- Sam Vilain, [EMAIL PROTECTED] A seeming ignorance is often a most necessary part of worldly knowledge. - anon.
[Authorization request]: Translating Cascavel.pm to Esperanto too![Was: Re: Translating {London,Paris}.pm (was: Re: Esperanto on London.pm(was Re: XML XML::LibXML...))]
[For the english-speaking gentleman: see below for an english version]
-- Portuguese Version --
Caros monges
O pessoal das listas de Perl da Europa estão planejando traduzir as
páginas dos grupos de Londres e Paris para o esperanto durante o mês de
setembro, para arrecadar fundos para a Yet Another Society (até onde eu
entendi). Como o Paul Makepace se ofereceu para traduzir as páginas para
o Esperanto, acho que poderíamos aderir (veja mensagem encaminhada
abaixo). Claro, não é uma decisão minha, mas precisa ser rápida, Londres
(e o Paul Makepeace) estão 3 horas na nossa frente... =-]
O que vocês acham disso?
-- Portuguese Version --
-- English Version --
Dear m[ou]ngers
Folks from the Europe are planning to translate the {London,Paris}
Perl Mongers Group webpages to Esperanto to gather fundings for the Yet
Another Society (AFAIK). As Paul Makepeace voluntereed to translate the
webpages to Esperanto, I think we could adhere (See forwarded message
below). Of course this is not my decision, but need to be a *fast* one,
because London and Paul Makepeace are three hours ahead from us...
What you think about that?
-- English Version --
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Original Message
From: Paul Makepeace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 02:01:38 +0100
Je 2003-08-28 22:05:58 +0100, David Landgren skribis:
[texte en fran?ais en fin de message]
Kial? Kun la lingvo internacia oni devus nur unu...
(Why? With the international language one'd only need one...)
It was meant to be light-hearted, not churlish.
I see mutterings about Esperanto on either side of the channel. I think
that maybe it would be a good idea for those interested in working this
project to come together and thrash out the details on a mailing list I
just set up. Do something like:
La tradukado aspektas relative facile, kiel vi diras, sed la hejmpag^o
mem estas malinteresa! C^e Cafe Pacifico oni havas ideon reverki c^i
tiun pag^on kaj eble utiligi vortojn kiujn estus penigaj traduki en
Esperanto...
**
(The translation is quite easy, as you say, but the homepage itself is
boring! At the Cafe Pacifico there was the idea of rewriting the page
and perhaps using words that would be challenging to translate into
Esperanto...)
Continuing in English: There has been murmurings of doing the cut over
on sept 1. That's getting a bit close if we want some new copy - how
about midnight UTC sept 1 (i.e. next Monday) for respective .pm
homepages? I'll coordinate this with Mark see if we can create a
simple plan. (Who's Paris.pm homepage leader?)
G^is,
Paul (qui trouve les langues naturelles trop difficiles, pardonnez-moi)
PS If any other .pm groups would like their home pages translated, I'd
be happy to oblige :-) If I can't find someone to read your language
I'll find someone who can...
--
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What is sewing? All your base are belong to us.
-- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/
Re: insidious biometrics, identity crises
Je 2003-08-29 14:24:20 +0100, Sam Vilain skribis: It is possible to get fish oil which has had these contaminants removed... A dense source of EFAs is flaxseed oil. It's not particularly easy to get hold of in the UK (easier in the US, IME). Organic/hippie shops sell it, e.g. http://www.econat.co.uk/ [1] in Walthamstow. ghandiWherever flaxseed becomes a regular food item among the people, there will be better health./ghandi /me considers getting all his amalgam fillings changed to composite... The danger is vaporizing the mercury as the drill goes in - which makes it several orders of magnitude easier to penetrate gum cell walls. You can end up getting dosed more in those few minutes than what would naturally seep out via saliva tooth over its remaining life. Paul [1] This site could precipitate seizures in some London.pm'ers. -- Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/ What is metaphysics? Planck's constant. -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/
Re: No multipart or HTML
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Steve Keay wrote:
Why not simply reject senders that are not subscribed to the list at
SMTP time? The rejection message should be informative, like 550 posting
to london.pm is restricted to members only. See http://whatever;.
Because we don't reject mails from non-subscribers, we just have to
manually approve them.
Mark.
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Re: insidious biometrics, identity crises
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Sam Vilain wrote: He My s.o. has been ill for years with extreme pain, fatigue, and He brain troubles. She's starting to recover after having had her He fillings exchanged for composite ones last year. Without doing He much in the way of detox, some of her symptoms have almost He completely gone, and the rest about half better. /me considers getting all his amalgam fillings changed to composite... Everything I've seen on that issue indicates that it's a danger only for those who have an allergic reaction to the mercury traces. That said I am not confident that sufficient (any?) real research has been carried out on the long term effects. It's not possible to composite for all filings either which is a problem for those of us who have needed root canal filing work. Jason Clifford -- UKFSN.ORG Finance Free Software while you surf the 'net http://www.ukfsn.org/ ADSL Broadband available now
Re: Getting a Hashkey for a Perl Data Structure
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Mark Fowler wrote: I'm spitting out files that I'm creating from a data structure. Currently these are uniquely named using Data::UUID. It's very good at the task, but in some situations I need the filename to stay the same for each identical data structure each and every time I run my script. Essentially what I need to do is calculate a hashkey for a Perl data structure. What's the commonly accepted wisdom to do this? My wee little While this is possible, I think that you should reconsider your requirements. I'm sure you don't need a key based on your entire data structure, and that some smaller and well defined part or parts of it will serve nicely when fed through MD5. No hashing algorithm guarantees lack of collisions, therefore the only difference betwen MD5'ing the entire structure, and MD5'ing the integer size of the base hash is the number of collisions. So just pick a key and live with some clashes. S. brain is thinking serialisation either by Storable or YAML and then hashing with Digest::MD5 or one of the other common string hashing routines. The only problem I see with this is things like different versions of Storable suddenly hashing to different values. Ideas? Mark. -- Shevekhttp://www.anarres.org/ I am the Borg. http://www.gothnicity.org/
RE: No multipart or HTML
Is there any reason to continue to permit text/html or multipart/mixed messages anywhere in @london.pm.org ? You block Hotmail users. Whether or not that's a good thing is up to you. Personally, I'd do it in a heartbeat. N -- 11 2 3 4 5 6 77 0 0 0 0 0 0 05 -- The 75 column-ometer Global Messaging, 120 Cheapside, x83331 Every time you top post, God kills a kitten
Re: No multipart or HTML
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Michael Stevens wrote: On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 12:22:25PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote: On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 12:17:28PM +0100, Michael Stevens wrote: I'm fully in favour of banning text/html only messages, but I'm quite happy with multipart/alternative, as they usually render perfectly well in decent console MUAs. Spammers have noticed that people are banning text/html only; quite a bit of the spam I've seen recently has been of the form: multipart/alternative text/plain (blank) text/html (body of spam) Okay, possibly a more intelligent filter that can spot this case as well? Harder to implement as a system filter in exim, though, I'd guess. But then to get around that you've got multipart/alternative text/plain (body of gibberish) text/html (body of spam) At which point it seems attractive to at least take a stab at making sure that the /plain and /html branches resemble each other. But how? It doesn't seem feasible to embed an HTML parser in a high volume mail scanner (meet the new SpamAssassin 3.0 -- now with Gecko!). Checksums seem unlikely to help. You could guess with metrics such as the average html branch will be N times the plain branch, give or take X standard deviations but ...yuck. A less painful approach might just be to queue multipart messages for moderator review. As has been noted, there have only been a handful of these in the past six months, not all of which were meant to go to the list anyway. -- Chris Devers[EMAIL PROTECTED] ISO, n. [Origin: possibly Greek iso equal but now presumed acronym for International Standards Organization.] A meta-standards organization set up in 1947 in order to establish standards for the setting up of standard organizations. See also ANSI; ASCII; STANDARD. -- from _The Computer Contradictionary_, Stan Kelly-Bootle, 1995
Re: No multipart or HTML
Je 2003-08-29 15:27:32 +0100, Clayton, Nik [IT] skribis: Is there any reason to continue to permit text/html or multipart/mixed messages anywhere in @london.pm.org ? You block Hotmail users. Whether or not that's a good thing is up to you. Personally, I'd do it in a heartbeat. :) Martin Bower recently appears to be posting in text/plain from a hotmail.com account. There have been others too it seems (mutt: ~f @hotmail.com) Does anyone have any URLs they like explaining switching to text/plain in Outlook etc? P -- Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/ If you only live once, then I would be as attractive as a hungry fridge magnet. -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/
Re: No multipart or HTML
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Chris Devers wrote: A less painful approach might just be to queue multipart messages for moderator review. As has been noted, there have only been a handful of these in the past six months, not all of which were meant to go to the list anyway. Not less painful for the moderators though. I think that Paul's point is that it really is quite crap when you have to go through any more than a handful of messages - I feel quite nostalgic for majordomo and it's 'approve' script. /J\
Re: No multipart or HTML
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Jonathan Stowe wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Chris Devers wrote: A less painful approach might just be to queue multipart messages for moderator review. As has been noted, there have only been a handful of these in the past six months, not all of which were meant to go to the list anyway. Not less painful for the moderators though. Hmm, I thought that's what I meant, but maybe it isn't what I said. I suggest: * trash all text/html * trash all multipart/alternative where the text/plain branch is empty * queue all multipart/alternative where text/plain is nonzero The way I read the rest of the thread, it seemed like this would cut down the moderator load significantly while still having a safety net for people forced to use permanently misconfigured mail clients. Of course, if all spam starts having a text/plain branch, then my suggestion ends up not helping very much... -- Chris Devers[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://devers.homeip.net:8080/resume/ locale, n. An ANSI-approved ethnic stereotype. -- from _The Computer Contradictionary_, Stan Kelly-Bootle, 1995
Re: No multipart or HTML
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 03:48:33PM +0100, Paul Makepeace wrote: Martin Bower recently appears to be posting in text/plain from a hotmail.com account. There have been others too it seems (mutt: ~f @hotmail.com) I've asked a few Hotmail-using friends to switch from HTML (or rich text as Hotmail call it) to plain text. When I explained the reasons, they were happy to do so. Does anyone have any URLs they like explaining switching to text/plain in Outlook etc? http://www.expita.com/nomime.html#programs Tom
Re: No multipart or HTML
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 03:48:33PM +0100, Paul Makepeace said: Does anyone have any URLs they like explaining switching to text/plain in Outlook etc? These links may help http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/ http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/ and this forces OE to reply in text http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=307594
Re: No multipart or HTML
Steve Keay wrote: On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 11:46:09AM +0100, Paul Makepeace wrote: I propose rejecting non text/plain messages in exim's system filter. The advantage of this is it is straightforward (and I know how to do it :-), Why not simply reject senders that are not subscribed to the list at SMTP time? The rejection message should be informative, like 550 posting to london.pm is restricted to members only. See http://whatever;. paris.pm rejects non-subscriber posts. From time to time a legitimate message bounces (subscribers posting from a different address or their bofh changed the domain name). In these cases I forward the mail back to the sender and indicate the error. If it looks urgent and/or I know the person well, I'll forward it to the list to avoid further delays. This administration runs to about 1 or 2 posts per month, i.e., very low effort. And the rest of the bounces is simply a matter of hitting the delete key in my inbox. David
Re: No multipart or HTML
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Chris Devers wrote: Of course, if all spam starts having a text/plain branch, then my suggestion ends up not helping very much... Then we start killing the spammers /J\
Re: Getting a Hashkey for a Perl Data Structure
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Nicholas Clark wrote: On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 01:59:40PM +0200, Rafael Garcia-Suarez wrote: Mark Fowler wrote: Essentially what I need to do is calculate a hashkey for a Perl data structure. What's the commonly accepted wisdom to do this? My wee little brain is thinking serialisation either by Storable or YAML and then hashing with Digest::MD5 or one of the other common string hashing routines. The only problem I see with this is things like different versions of Storable suddenly hashing to different values. And even the same version of Storable (or Data::Dumper), with perl 5.8.1, will produce different results for the same hash, due to the new random ordering of hash keys. On the other hand YAML produces sorted keys by default, is a documented format, and is more compact. You can turn on hash key sorting in Storable by $Storable::canonical non-false. Similarly for Data::Dumper with $Data::Dumper::Sortkeys In the general case it's likely that different versions of Storable and Data::Dumper will hash to different values. It's possible that even They bloody well should. They store the version number in the data. S. with hash key sorting you may get other random differences - offhand I can't think what, although how numeric scalars are stored may vary depending on whether they've been used in a string context. Nicholas Clark -- Shevekhttp://www.anarres.org/ I am the Borg. http://www.gothnicity.org/
Re: Getting a Hashkey for a Perl Data Structure
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 07:57:26PM +0100, Shevek wrote: On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Nicholas Clark wrote: In the general case it's likely that different versions of Storable and Data::Dumper will hash to different values. It's possible that even They bloody well should. They store the version number in the data. If you're going to be terse, be correct. Storable stores the format major and minor number in the data. This doesn't always change when the module version increments. Data::Dumper outputs pure perl code, and does not include its version number in any way (such as a comment) Nicholas Clark
Re: insidious biometrics, identity crises
Robin Berjon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nicholas Clark wrote: On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 09:48:56AM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: happens if you get hit by a bus and you're alone? How do you expect your Someone calls and ambulance, and no-one at the hospital worries whether you have health insurance, because it's free at the point of delivery. I don't think that's what Elaine was pointing at. You're hit by a bus and die. How do they contact your friends and family if you can't be identified? Why should he care? He's dead.
Re: insidious biometrics, identity crises
Michael Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 05:38:23PM +0100, Simon Wilcox wrote: 2. The governments ability to deliver large scale IT projects is almost zero. Time after time major projects have failed and this will be the largest IT project undertaken by central government. It is almost certain to fail too, wasting tens or hundreds of millions of pounds of our money. On a conceptual level I have no particular problem with carrying an id card. Do I trust the government to get it right and to protect my data ? Not a bloody chance ! Aah, but what programming language would be best for them to use on such a project? Befunge. Or Brainfuck. Maybe INTERCAL.
Re: insidious biometrics, identity crises
Elaine -HFB- Ashton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Simon Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth: * *On a conceptual level I have no particular problem with carrying an id *card. Do I trust the government to get it right and to protect my data ? *Not a bloody chance ! Indeed, I feel the same, but it's only a matter of time before it comes. Only if enough people take that attitude.
