Re: NMS
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I thought that the NMS page at http://london.pm.org/cgi-bin/nms.pl was automatically rebuilt from the CVS repository every (mumble) hours. Am I misremembering? there has been some changes to CVS and there is no NMS on there now, if you want to check in your latest work, this time under the projects folder (from the looks of things), i'll adjust the publishing script and things should work again greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: NMS
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10/24/01 1:40:46 PM there has been some changes to CVS and there is no NMS on there now, Was this a result of the recent r00ting? indirectly yes, one of the volunteer admins asked if they could reconfigure CVS and i said yes, so its my fault i guess, i assumed that my recently checkout copy of CVS was a good enough backup *clickity click* [gem@scully nms]$ ls -la formmail/ total 48 drwxr-xr-x3 gem users4096 Sep 30 15:58 . drwxr-xr-x 13 gem users4096 Sep 30 15:58 .. drwxr-xr-x2 gem users4096 Sep 30 15:58 CVS -rwxr-xr-x1 gem users 11024 Sep 18 20:26 FormMail.pl -rwxr-xr-x1 gem users 20974 Sep 18 20:17 README if these files are more recent than you have let me know and i'll mail them to you If the CVS repository on Penderel is going to be transitory, then maybe I'll have to store it elsewhere. there seems to be some new projects now stored under CVS, however as the guys who admin the box do so on a voluntary basis, i would take a personal backup of anything important you put on the box of course if you want us to move to a managed server service we can get it, it might cost slightly more of course ;-) Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: NMS
* Robin Houston ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: It seems a little insulting to the voluntary admins (whoever they may be) to suggest that they're more likely to make mistakes than highly paid professionals... i was more implying that you had the right to bitch at paid professionals, with the people who currently admin the box the only right you have is to buy them beer ;-) sorry if it came across differently from this, ho hum Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: NMS
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Now I remember why I stopped drinking at lunchtimes. I have considered stopping my mail server from sending after pub closing time and then presenting me a list of what i like to term, Crap you wanted to send last night when pissed the next morning. Of course when pissed I'd try and override this behaviour, probably doing even more damage ;-) Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: one for dave (new module)
* Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I figure we're pretty safe releasing it to CPAN (the kiddies will never think to look there), but does anyone have any comments before I do? depending on how flame retardant you feel, you might like to put in a disclaimer about the use of the word gay in this context. ho hum -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: CFT / dim sum / evening meet
* Ian McGilloway ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: There is another Elusive Camel near Victoria Station. I think this is the third addition... playing to the peanut gallery I have spent many a happy afternoon in the back of that camel seated just beside the fire. /playing to the peanut gallery -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: CFT / dim sum / evening meet
* Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To celebrate Leon's imminent return to employment we shall be having a meeting of the CFT[2] club (which may be similar to Debauchery.pm) on Thursday. You bastard. that right, leon and I schemed and plotted and eventually came up with the date and time which would most upset you ;-) Muhahahhahaa ;-) I get up to London for three consecutive days and I can't do it. Not even the dim sum for I shall be in the inner reaches of zone 2. Err shurely dim sum is inside zone 1 so its inside zone 2? /me goes off in a confused state Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
tube stations
At the last meeting some of us discussed the challenge of visited all the tube stations on one day, it was quickly decided that it was impossible. However I believe it may be possible to visit all the tube stations north of the river in one day[2]. To make it interesting you could also not use any stations at all that are south of the river, meaning handy little stations like north greenwich[1] are not available. Greg [1] it is a handy cross from canary wharf to canning town [2] this would remove 37 stations from the original challenge[3] [3] ~ish -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: tube stations
* Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At the last meeting some of us discussed the challenge of visited all the tube stations on one day, it was quickly decided that it was impossible. I don't know about including the DLR or the new jubiliee, but my 1988 vintage Guinness book of records lists all then 272 stations being visited in 18 hours 41 min and 41 seconds in 1986. Was that done on a motorbike or similar, or done by just using the tube and walking? -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-10-15
* Leon Brocard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: By far the largest thread was started by Greg, who asked everyone to list their favourite classic (non-perl) computer books. Trust me, I have a much larger thread starter post waiting in the reserves for the next time we start elitist[1] flamage[2]. It will make a discussion about the beauty of algorithms[7] seem like a thread about fun programming experiences on a C++ mailing list. Greg [1] I blame Dave.[3] [2] I blame the participants in the thread and myself. [3] He of the careless cat ownership.[4] [4] This may seem harsh, but while looking after the gold plated cat I nearly had kittens (geddit? ;-))[5][6] making sure we didn't lose said cat. [5] No this series of footnotes weren't just written for this joke. [6] No comments about Camels please. [7] Hmmm -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Beautiful Algorithms
I've heard a lot of people talk about beautiful algorithms. I've been told by some that the Fast Fourier Transform is beautiful I never saw it myself. I also had an Algorithms lecturer almost wet his pants describing Strassen's Amazing Algorithm for Matrix multiplication, I never thought it was that amazing or exciting, but thats just me[1]. However I do see beauty in one of the less efficient sort algorithms (bubble sort), quick sort is fun as well, but merge sort is nicer in my opinion. I also love graph algorithms. So what are other people's feelings about the classic algorithms?[2] Greg [1] For people who studied in the dcs at ed.ac.uk, the lecturer was KK, and you can probably see why you didn't disagree with him. [2] Ok, its a weak thread but its better than discussing reply-to setting on mailing lists or whatever the kooks are wanting to discuss this week ;-) -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Apologies in advance
Sorry to just send an URL to the list, but my wife sent me a link to Calvin Hobbes, which I dont check regularly cos its all old stuff. However It never ceases to amaze me how Watterson can make me feel young/inspired/happy/thoughtful/$emotion again. So I thought as it was Sunday and there would be fewer people around to criticise me, i'd send the same childish URL to the list, http://www.ucomics.com/calvinandhobbes/viewch.cfm?uc_full_date=19901014 Ho hum, Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Heretical Non-Heretics
Far be it for me to encourage the heretical non-heritics[2], but i was passing a wetherspoons pub recently (yes i do pass pubs without going in - of course i may not pass chinese restaursnts, because they may have chinese beer inside[1]) and they had an ad for some sort of beer festival that was on over the 1st of the coming month, it seemed to be lots of `fantasy' beers, i.e. merlins ale, dragonslayer, etc. looked quite interesting if one was for instance to have a meeting of the 1st of the month (boo hiss!) in Penderels Oak (boo hiss!, thank you so so so so much Kake for sorting out the 3 cups for us, kake++) Greg [1] +1 karma to whoever names the reference first (its an easy one)[3] [2] as opposed to the non-heretical heritics [3] Only if you phrase it blah, blah, you referenced X and i claim my 1 karma point. -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Heretical Non-Heretics
* Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: lots of `fantasy' beers, i.e. merlins ale, dragonslayer, etc. looked quite interesting if one was for instance to have a meeting of the 1st of the month (boo hiss!) in Penderels Oak (boo hiss!, thank you so so so so much Kake for sorting out the 3 cups for us, kake++) Err, if there was only a small group of people going to a H N-H meeting I would be prepared to run a quick fantast adventure during the eve in that little alcove bit ( no dice would be used ) G. -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Beautiful Algorithms
* Patrick Carmichael ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I have had several students who never seemed to get excited about *anything* become almost hysterical on exposure to bubble sorting. I think it must conform to some notion about what programming should be like. It is probably some sort of appreciation of iteration towards goal, similar to Newton Rhapson method. After all the Bubble sort slowly approaches goal, where as the Quick Sort algorithm seems to go off into the wilderness for sometime and then pieces the data back together in the nick of time, much like a McGuyver episode. I think a book mentioned recently (Algorithmic - Harel) has pics of a represenation of bubble sort hat shows this behaviour, I also have a MIDI file somewhere. Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Heretical Non-Heretics
* Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Err, if there was only a small group of people going to a H N-H meeting I would be prepared to run a quick fantast adventure during the eve in that little alcove bit ( no dice would be used ) err scratch this idea, fast show Late at night as I recall *G* *twit too woo* *twit too woo* I know this its Linux! *click click* *Gurgle* *grunt* sending emails *ARGRGGGH!*, of course I was very ... very ... drunk. / -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Interesting Numbers
Well because of the following discussion * Leo Lapworth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 08:01:54AM +0200, Newton, Philip wrote: london.pm.org MX 42 london.pm.org london.pm.org MX 69 mailhost.realprogrammers.com Did you pick those two numbers out of a hat at random? :) 42 - answer to life the universe and everything 69 - *snigger* I remembered one of my favourite books, The Penguin Dictionary of Curious and Interesting Numbers. And so seeing as its Friday, I thought It might be a fun game for me to pick some interesting numbers and sets of numbers and see if people can guess/spot what is special about them. So hear we go (some are easy, some are pretty much impossible).. 4840 Clue: Robin Szmeti I think will have the best chance. 1 , 9 , 36 , 84 , 126 Clue: Don't use C to work this out 3 , 7 , 31 , 127 Clue: They are in sequence 212 Clue: Mark Fowler should know this one 714 Clue: Jack built something, but he wasn't the only one 231 Clue: You'll need the revised edition of the book to work this one out. (WARNING: I don't think anyone will get this one) And finally a quick riddle, where you have to work out the age of Diophantus, Here lies Diophantus, the wonder behold . . . Through art algebraic, the stone tells how old: God gave him his boyhood one-sixth of his life, One twelfth more as youth while whiskers grew rife; And then yet one-seventh ere marriage begun; In five years there came a bouncing new son. Alas, the dear child of master and sage After attaining half the measure of his fathers life chill fate took him. After consoling his fate by this science of numbers for four years, he ended his life. Well I hope it gives someone some fun, Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
SPOILERS : Re: Interesting Numbers
* Peter Haworth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:48:51 +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: 4840 Clue: Robin Szmeti I think will have the best chance. For some reason, this sounds like a tape drive to me 3 , 7 , 31 , 127 Clue: They are in sequence 2**p - 1, where p is prime I didn't spot that, the actual answer I was looking for was they were the first 4 Mersenne Primes, Mersenne Primes are all of the form of 2^x-1 and of course are primes. But I think your answer deserves a bonus point! ;-) Cool! -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
SPOILERS: Re: Interesting Numbers
Dave's 84 is the correct answer for this riddle. * Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: From: David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10/19/01 12:31:29 PM On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 09:48:51AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: And finally a quick riddle, where you have to work out the age of Diophantus, Here lies Diophantus, the wonder behold . . . Through art algebraic, the stone tells how old: God gave him his boyhood one-sixth of his life, One twelfth more as youth while whiskers grew rife; And then yet one-seventh ere marriage begun; In five years there came a bouncing new son. Alas, the dear child of master and sage After attaining half the measure of his fathers life chill fate took him. After consoling his fate by this science of numbers for four years, he ended his life. This is trivial, but can give two answers depending on how you interpret half the measure of his fathers life. Is it half the measure of his father's *entire* life, or half the measure of his father's life up until that point? Yeah. Spotted that, but went with the most obvious one (the first one). Assuming the former ... As did I. x/6 + x/12 + x/7 + 5 + x/2 + 4 = x Well, we started with the same equation = 84x + 42x + 72x + 2520 + 252x + 1008 = 504x # multiply by 504 I multiplied by 84. Giving 14x + 7x + 12x + 420 + 42x + 336 = 84x = 2520 + 1008 = 3528 = 54x 756 = 9x = x = 65 yrs 4 months, give or take a day or two x = 84 I believe your error was in the calculation of 4 x 504 :) hth, Dave... -- http://www.dave.org.uk Let me see you make decisions, without your television - Depeche Mode (Stripped) -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Interesting Numbers
To summarise the answers we have so far . * Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: 4840 Clue: Robin Szmeti I think will have the best chance. 1 , 9 , 36 , 84 , 126 Clue: Don't use C to work this out 3 , 7 , 31 , 127 Clue: They are in sequence SOLVED : Peter Haworth, although he noticed something I didn't. 212 Clue: Mark Fowler should know this one 714 Clue: Jack built something, but he wasn't the only one 231 Clue: You'll need the revised edition of the book to work this one out. (WARNING: I don't think anyone will get this one) And finally a quick riddle, where you have to work out the age of Diophantus, SOLVED : Dave Cross So that leaves 5 reasonable ones, the last is nigh on impossible, without either a quick fire guessing session or owning the book and knowing how my mind words. I reckon Dave Cross, Paul Mison, Richard Clamp, to name a few should be able to answer `714' from the clue alone. People who IRC when Trelane is on in the morning should get a clue to `212', Older people should spot 4840, and as for the first sequence anyone who likes puzzles should figure it out. Greg p.s. if you are the sort of johnny come lately, giving up, PHP programming type of person, the answers are at . http://217.34.97.146/~gem/perl/answers.txt -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: happy birthday #london.pm!
* Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 01:34:36PM +0100, Wilson, Andrew (Belfast) wrote: Nope, I'm just deeply cynical about made-up geek events like this and 1e9. It'll do until Halloween though, I suppose. As opposed to a made up event like Halloween or Christmas? I would argue about Christmas, but Its all got to confrontational here recently, I stead I'll just ring up all of Andrew's friends and family and tell them he doesn't want Christmas Pressies this year ;-) Yes, which is why I phrased it made-up _geek_ events, and then gave 1e9 as a further example. I don't hold much joy for Christmas though, but Halloween and Bonfire Night rock my world. bah, i've not been invited to any halloween parties this year so far :-( so who fancies hosting the london.pm halloween fancy dress party? Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: happy birthday #london.pm!
* Wilson, Andrew (Belfast) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: My point is that they're all made up by somebody somewhere. Halloween was probably invented by the geeks of the day. See BtVS, who's the geek? Willow, who's the Wicca? Willow. What more evidence does Andrew need. Although I agree with Giles in 6x04 ;-) -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Interesting Numbers
* Chris Devers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: 1 , 9 , 36 , 84 , 126 3 , 7 , 31 , 127 I can't find these ones! I can't cheat! :) I did these ones myself ;-) Not in the book! Yes it is. Read the clue again carefully and think about it. Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: [nat.pryce@b13media.com: [ruby-talk:22730] ANN: XP-Day, London, 15/12/2001]
* Nicholas Clark ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I wonder how well received YAPC::Europe 19100 would have been if it had been 11 times more expensive. Well at least people would of had muffins. ;-) (this might be an in joke, so if you want it explained ask me at the next social meet) Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Writing a Perl Game
* Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Well you could use Linux::Svgalib now - it needs some testers ;-} Does it run under X-Windows in a window? Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Netiquette was Re: [Perl Jobs] CGI / MySQL developer (onsite), UK, London]
* Dominic Mitchell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: You are of course, absolutely correct. When small annoyances build up over time (like the quoting thing, which bugs me a bit, and other people probably more), it's very easy to forget that we have more in common than apart and that we are all gathered together for a reason, which is more important than flinging insults. Sorry for the one liner, but I could not agree more with the sentiments of this e-mail. Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)
* Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Practice of Programming - Kernighan and Pike Now I regard Code Complete as a better book, but ho hum. Commentary on the Unix 6th edition, with source code - John Lions. My only complaint is that it doesnt fit on my bookshelves (its printed, well at least by copy is) in landscape. An Introduction to Algorithms - Cormen, Rivest and Leiserson I didn't think this would appeal to the masses, and to those who haven't read it, it is far more than a simple introduction, CLR (i seem to remember that being the abbrev in Uni, not CRL, but i may be wrong) is probably the best single book you can buy on Algorithms. Programming Perl (3rd Ed) - Wall, Christiansen and Orwant. Well as your mentioning Perl books, I'd recommended Effective Perl Programming, which not a lot of people (present company excluded) have probably heard of. Is this good, I've heard about it from others before, it may well have to migrate to my to get list. Very! Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: An Introduction to Database Systems - Chris Date I haven't heard of this one, my classic general DB books are Fundamentals of Database Systems and Introduction to SQL (van der Lans) Refactoring - Martin Fowler Oh, another I haven't head of, whats this like? And the other book suggested so far that I haven't got is the UI book that Dave Cantrell suggested. Ron will be pleased to hear I've put in another huge Amazon (boo hiss!) order ;-) Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)
* nik butler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Any one remember the Spirit for Algorithmics ? Do you mean Algorithmics, The Spirit of Computing by David Harel. It is book #1 starting from the top left hand side of my computing book collection. Thats because the section Algorithms/General Programming comes first and the book got randomly place in there. It would make a good book for teaching an O Level / A Level class. Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Classic Computer Books (Non-Perl)
* Steve Mynott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hackers (Levy) Great book, perhaps the best book on computer history you can read, I cannot recommend this book enough. I think there was a C4 series loosely based on it, they got Capt Crunch to do some phreaking, or at least appear to do some. He looked like an overexcited kid, great stuff! So its a big 5 star rating for this book And of course the cuckoos egg. Which is a fun read. The Journey is the Reward (about Steve Jobs) Well the two books I like about Jobs/Apple are ... Infinite Loop - Malone Very heavy going, its a big book but well worth it Insanely Great - Levy Go for this if you want something smaller Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Its Mailstat Time Again
* Paul Makepeace ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2001 at 11:57:00PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: http://217.34.97.146/~gem/perl/mailstats_london.pm_20010808-20011017.txt To me the more mindboggling phenomenon is why you don't have a domain name yet! actually i do, i've had one for about 3 years, i've just never got it to point at a machine i own -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Apocalypse 3
* Damian Conway ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I'm all hypered up. Does this mean that in Perl 6 I can do this: @a =^+ 1; You *can*, but it's not the same as doing: @a ^=+ 1; or: @a ^+= 1; %-) What does this last line do? ;-) -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Perl 7 RFC
I've been so inspired by recent language features for Perl 6, I've decided to get an early start on Perl 7, with a new RFC =head1 TITLE Private style variables in a non-OO environment. =head1 VERSION Maintainer: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 05 Oct 2001 Version: 1 Mailing List: london.pm Number: 31337 =head1 ABSTRACT Having seen all these new operators being proposed for Perl 6, I feel quite inspired, so I was thinking what features I could suggest for the next version of Perl. So I started to think about private variables outside the OO concept, i.e. being able to hide variables in the current scope. =head1 DESCRIPTION First off, i'd like to hide variables in the current scope, or if you will cover them. I'd also like to be able to remove this coverage, by cutting away the cover. And lastly I'd like to prevent the removal by blunting the cutting of coverage. =head1 IMPLEMENTATION Now obviously I need some symbols for these new features, and so I've choosen some at random. Firstly coverage will be carried out by the _ operator, next removal of coverage, cutting will be carried out by the cut operator 8 and lastly the blunting of the cut operator will be carried out by o. You can also remove the blunting by recovering the variable by reapplying _, effectively over the o operator. =head1 STATUS Crack induced - If this is too common a classification for Perl RFC's please let me know, and I can find another status that better distinguishes it from the majority of RFC's. ;-) -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: outage, explanation
* jo walsh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: hello you may have noticed how penderel aka london.pm.org has been down all day. we wuz r00ted, was their evidence beyond that of the long sequences (overruns) on rpc statd in the logs? Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Advanced mail management
* Paul Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 03:56:06PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: Like many people's, my incoming mail is routed off into various folders by the MTA which I then read with mutt. The problem is that while mutt's mail folder handling is pretty darn good it's still a pain for it to scan the folders[1]. There are about a dozen I like to read throughout the day. This is what I do too, but I agree that there is still a problem waiting for a really good solution. Well my solution, is not that good, but it works for me, i simly use wmbiff, a little windowmaker docking bar app that lists the number of messages in each folder, unless there are new messages in which case it lists the number of new messages in a different colour. To be perfectly honest I use 3 instances of it, giving me a total of 15 folders listed. You can see it in action, in this old screen shot ... http://217.34.97.146/~gem/misc/screenshot_scully.jpg Its the little grouping of three boxes in the middle of the right hand edge. Then I have a pile of aliases along the lines of alias london=mutt -f ~/mail/london.pm, etc. That I can call from a shell when i want to read a folder. If i am interested in several, i can do something like london ; void ; squackers I tried for a while at getting festival to let me know when particular people mailed me, such as my wife, accountant etc. But I never really finished the larger project this was part of ... Radio Greg (i mixing of mp3's and festival generated infomercials), but thats another story. about putting mail itself in RDBMS? That way you could create virtual folders etc. I've heard talk of this, but never seen a good implementation. I think if this sort of thing was ever implemented properly, I'd want to use it for more than just mail, i.e. project files as well etc. I'm getting closer and closer to having a static organised filesystem on my home network, when this happens i might look at extending my TODO list to have a little pop up virtual folder containing links to related files. A sort of half way house towards the sort of system your talking about (albeit for more than just mail) Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Advanced mail management
* Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Well my solution, is not that good, but it works for me, i simly use wmbiff, a little windowmaker docking bar app that lists the number of messages in each folder, unless there are new messages in which case it lists the number of new messages in a different colour. As shown in, http://217.34.97.146/~gem/misc/screenshot_scully_with_new_mail.jpg for people with more bandwidth than sense. Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Recommended agents
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I used to think that company loyalty went out of fashion 20 years ago, but most of the employees here (Acxiom) seem to have been here for almost ten years. That's something that I never thought I'd see again. I don't think I believe in company loyalty, I believe in a contract, and I'm not talking about the bit of paper you sign along with the NDA. I mean a contract that the company will treat you well in return for you doing your damn best for the company no matter if you are a permie, contractor, freelancer or consultant. For what its worth 2 out of the 3 companies that I feel the most loyalty or rather wish to do good by them are companies that employed me as a non-permie, they are in order of time, not loyalty to the company, 1. The Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service (Civil Service) The time my view was perhaps the most socialist, in the true meaning of the word was with the government, I learned an awful lot about how they work, and yes they do have problems, but they have a fairly good system which means that while they may not be running at peak efficiency, most of the time they do not cock up too badly. 2. Ebookers.com A company that I felt could of had the best of systems, and that those systems could of went on and translated very clearly into income for the company. I wrote a letter to management two weeks before I left, that was only paid lip services, it broke my heart to leave. 3. The BBC The BBC is not the place to work if you are not in IT, they have so much wrong with this culture, it is disgusting, the Producer/Assistant Producer/etc. hierarch is vile. However they do appreciate you if you sucessed. I really wish I was DG so i could reward all those who do so much good work for so much little recognition. Thats it, Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Chocolate/beer (was Film Recommendation)
* robin szemeti ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: still .. looks like Tony Bliar has decided we'll all be having compulsory ID cards soon, [ and presumably random stop-and-search powers to go with them, or there'd be no point having them ] Robin, i expect better from you, than this mad-liberalist outpouring. There are very good reasons to have at least a national ID number for all, it may be an extension of NI number but with a more accesible nature and covering more of the populace and the savings alone in government spending should warrant it. Do you know how many government depts currently suffer from the lack of interoperability with other Gov. depts because of the lack of a common ID? And what happens, the public complaigns about not having one gov. dept talk to another regarding the publics personal problem. Whats more is the benefits will be passed on to the private sector as well. Now spot checks are a different matter and you shouldn't of been so assuming in your email, that one follows another.Having said that I foor one was pleased for many years that a N.I. driving license was a photo id before the rest of the country caught on to this idea. I can understand your fears, and perhaps we should have an commision to investigate misuses of personal identity correlation, based on specialised legislation similar to the data protection act. Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Chocolate/beer (was Film Recommendation)
* Sue Spence ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: which may be used to drop-kick your butt out of the country if they can show you lied on the form The real humour here, albeit black, is that governments need to be able to prove someone lied on a form as it is a quick alternative to proving them guilty of a crime. Greg /me ducks as the liberatarians take aim. -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Chocolate/beer (was Film Recommendation)
* Sue Spence ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I just said that, and in so many words, so I don't quite understand why you have cut and retyped it? Sorry I must of missed that point in the messages for today, anyway apologies for the duplication your point, i'll try and disagree with you in future ;-) BTW it isn't just governments which like to use this tactic. I guess we live in legislative driven society, ho hum. Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Chocolate/beer (was Film Recommendation)
* robin szemeti ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: so i should be prepared to scrifice personal liberty for government efficiency ? .. nope .. try again. so are you happy that you have an NI number so you can get benefits/ health care? are you happy you have an address and postcode so you can receive mail? at the end of the day you have to give away personal ideals to live in a society, the value of the society in terms of personal liberty, is not how much information that have on you, but what they do with it. ?que? .. and our NI numbers are unique aren;t they and everybody has one .. apart from the under 16, some very old people, some recent immigrants to the country and some special cases - and also very few people know them by heart, and a fraction carry them on a daily basis snip rant Whats more is the benefits will be passed on to the private sector as well. no thanks .. I'll decide what I pass on to the private sector if you don;t mind. fine, but the private sector already know more about you than the government if i were you, i'd cut up your credit card now trust me .. within a *very* short time of introduction they *will* be compulsory to carry at all times. the police *will* have powers to stop you and ask for yout ID card ... I don't see why I should need a pass from the state to walk the streets of my own country. if that happens i will be with you in your protest, but i see nothing wrong with having a unique id in the country .. oh good .. a government commision to monitor a government action .. please excuse me if i am less than confident in how well this will work. ho hum -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Movie rant
* Simon Wilcox ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: What the hell was Steven Spielberg on and can he pass it round ? before i read more your talking about AI Yes I'm talking about the pile of shite that is A.I. greg++ Ok, the first half was quite interesting in that it examined some psychology around loss and grief. The second half was interesting only in that I was quite disturbed by the Flesh Fair scene [1]. * SPOILERS * if they had stopped at the bit were he say `himself' in boxes, it would of been ok, but now we enter what we shall refer to as the crack induced part of the movie, as you now state The third half [2] was just crack induced ! Discuss [3]. he is a crack induced fool he wanted a happy ending and err aliens, yeah lots of aliens they sell well! ;-) Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Politics on London.pm
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: snip bit about POLITICS THREADS If you don't enjoy them then please feel free to ignore them. fair enough, could people put POLITICS or some such in the subject once it turns into a politics debate then, at least for the next month or so, Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
POLITICS: Re: Chocolate/beer (was Film Recommendation)
* Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: As someone with a large interest in security, what all of your points miss is the idea of giving everyone the minimum information possible. Why give them an identity card with everything, when you can give them only your name or your name and address? why not give them your ID only and have them perform a lookup that is logged and you can see what information they access and challenge it against the DPA or similar? -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Politics on London.pm
* Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: fair enough, could people put POLITICS or some such in the subject once it turns into a politics debate then, at least for the next month or so, Smell like you were losing the argument so you want it squashed! Perhaps, but if so it was much in the same way as a wanting to leave a Having your testicles put in a drawer and having it slammed shut competition ;-) Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Politics on London.pm
* Nick Cleaton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Careful, that could include perl. What that dead language? I'm with Python all the way man![1] Greg [1] Or Ruby, depending on what wins ;-)
DAVE:HAVING:A:BAD:DAY:OR:ELSE:HE:IS:BEING:A:TWAT, was Re: Politics on London.pm
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10/1/01 5:05:36 PM fair enough, could people put POLITICS or some such in the subject once it turns into a politics debate then, at least for the next month or so, Why stop there? Perhaps we could put POLITICS::LEFT, POLITICS::RIGHT, POLITICS::BLAIRITE so that people can tell whether or not they are likely to agree with the content of the post. snip rant In fact, why don't we do away with message bodies competely and just summarise the points in the subject so that no-one has to waste too much time following the list. Or maybe it's all a bloody stupid idea and we can just leave things as they are. What do you think? Err, i think you need to chill. Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Calculators and School Days
* Redvers Davies ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I had endless fun writing trig functions to model that. Ah, memories :) you could of even got some of that out of CPAN, the OpenGL module implements the classic OpenGL gears demo (including the maths) in Perl ;-) Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Calculators and School Days
* Steve Mynott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: argg $grep =~ s/could of/could have/g; You could of let that one slip. Greg. '_\ -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Film Recommendatio : A Knight's Tale
* Dave Thorn ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 07:10:17AM -0700, Dave Cross wrote: From: Tony Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 05:11:03PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: Roman Night Film-ish: Spartacus, Gladiator, etc. Life of Brian? Ben Hur? Cleopatra? carry on caesar Rosemary's Baby? ;-) -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Film Recommendatio : A Knight's Tale
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Better still, _replace_ Ferris Bueller with Heathers so they'd all be _watchable_ films :) *gasp* *gasp* *gasp* Shurely your not suggesting Ferris Bueller is a an unwatchable film? I realise that after leading London.pm for so long you may side with the authoritarian figures (the teachers) in the film, but to say its unwatchable .. sheesh. -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Best Films?
* Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Peterson's law (based on Godwin's law): All discussion of films on the Internet tends toward a thread about which Star Wars film was best, at which point the discussion can be considered (artistically) dead. Yeah, but all film discussion with film buffs tends towards infinite obscurity, they slowly argue until they start citing films that have only been shown once at some film festival in wales, where the attendants at that showing where the director, his mother[2], the person citing this film, and a tramp with a dodgy bladder who welcomed the soft warm[1] seat out of the cold. Greg [1] See the dodgy bladder part. [2] Who hit upon the person citing the film, but after failing there went on to have a quick shag in the back row with the tramp. -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Mad Training Book, was Re: Java training.
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: From: Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 9/24/01 3:33:09 PM On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Lucy McWilliam wrote: Mr Bunny's Big Cup o' Java ;-) I charge Greg with the role of writing the equivilant book for Perl. Though you can all chip in I suspect after the first draft. I suspect that the title would be the first sticking point, Mr Bunny's Pretty Necklace of Perl would probably not go down well, Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Calculators and School Days
I opened my top right desk drawer today, and at the back I found my Casio fx 570c, this is the calculator I used at University and maybe used at 6th form (my memory isn't that good), however It brought back a flood of memories. We all love Perl, why else would we subscribe to this mailing list (apart from the drinking), and we probably love it because it solves problems for us. However its a shame that we no longer experience the coal face of problem solving that was our position during school, and for some of us university. I've recently experienced a little of it again with Parrot assembly, but thats just a small dose compared to the daily grind of School or University. This is perhaps the one draw back of Perl - you very seldom face classical (computer science or maths) style problems, as someone has already done it on CPAN. Of course, reimplementing the wheel in Perl should be encourage for everything but (in some circumstances) production code. Why? Because programming in Perl is fun, and its even more fun when you deal with basic logic and maths problems. Anyway, forgive me for my ramblings today, I'm just doing a lot of thinking about the world at the minute. Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Film Recommendatio : A Knight's Tale
A Knight's Tale, there is very little to this, but it is a fun film. Best enjoyed at home with a large supply of real ale, a couple of pewter tankards, some spicy chicken wings, and very little inhibition. Greg p.s. We really should have London.pm film evening more often, when we watch 1 or 2 films, (not 5+ ;-) ) and bring appropriate snacks and alchohol. p.p.s. I will be willing to host such an event if i get enough +ive responses offlist. -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Friday Morning Fun
* Piers Cawley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: What's your strength? question almost out of the blue and nearly said '18/00'. Well, I wouldn't of given you the job, percentile strength no longer exists in 3rd Edition ADD, you really need to keep up with these things ;-) -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: The best film of all time?
* David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Mr. Smith Goes To Washington follows, wherein a country bumpkin gets Is this the one where Mrs Smith smoke a pipe, and eventually gets caught and shamed in the press as a pipe smoker? And know, I'm not joking about this plot twist. The absence of one, admittedly very good, man causes the entire town to turn into a cesspool of corruption and deceit Sort of what London.pm would be like if Mr Cross ever left. Sure the first week, where we drank port from the belly buttons of nubile young things (of appropriate sex for the particular member quaffing) would be great fun. However, all too soon we would be running naked around penderels oak with hardened beer gloop from the beer spill trays as face paint and spears fashioned from table legs and broken pint glasses as weapons. Hunting down those who will admit to liking any feature of Python, Ruby or Java. Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Pub examination - Three Cups - tonight (Weds 19 Sept)
* Paul Mison ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On the corner of Eagle Street and Red Lion Street is a restaurant If anyone is passing this restaurant before the meeting, could they grab a note of the number, then we can call ahead and probably have a large table waiting for us. This will help the staff and us. Errr, and can someone remind us all (me) on the day that we are not going to PO, Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Friday Morning Fun
* william ross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: $i = 1,2; would assign 1 to $i and then forget about that and assign 2 to $i. You really shouldn't of said that, i'm sure someone will now want to work this syntax/behaviour into Perl 6 (don't ask me why, i've still got a little sanity left ;-) ) Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Heh.
* Lucy McWilliam ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: It was a stick figure throwing a ring into a flaming pit with the caption 'Keep Mordor Tidy'. People who don't understand this reference should watch the upcoming triology of movies entitled, 'The Lord of the Rings'. If you enjoy the films you may also like to buy the book that I believe will be released to coincide with the film, however there won't be as many whizzy special effects in the boring old book. Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Friday Morning Fun
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: No need to change anything. We'll just tell 'em that's what $i = (1, 2); does. No-one will ever know the difference :) i'll just check that syntax/behaviour, $i = (1, 2, 3); well that works $i = (1, 2, 3, 4); works as well! when did they sneak that one in? sheesh ;-) -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Friday Morning Fun
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Oh well, how well would I have done in the interview? :-) Fine... right up to that last bit :) The correct answer in an interview to the question, What does $i=1,2; do? is of course, It increases my estimation of the mean time to failure of the system which the line resides in. Of course, after being a smart arse you should go on and answer the question they were really asking you. After which you can go on to witter on about minimal perl or some such for a good few minutes, hopefully burning up interview time so they won't get to the your bit on your CV about driving the bus for the local catholic girl school and connect your face with the face that was splashed over the tabloids severals years ago after the unfortunate incident surrounding the time the bus ``broke down'' in the forest for several days, leaving you and the catholic school girls to share body warmth in order to survive. Err, I'll get my coat ... Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Friday Morning Fun
* Robin Houston ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Do you mean to say that people use untied variables? Where's the fun in that? The fun deduced from that is being able to go to sleep at night and not dream about a black sun in a black sky Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Pub examination - Three Cups - tonight (Weds 19 Sept)
* Kate L Pugh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Seating: there are currently 28 seats in the function room with space if 29 of us turn up we can play musical chairs! excellent. Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Heh.
* David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Amazingly, you can get the book RIGHT NOW! In a *brilliant* marketing scheme, the book was put out *decades* before the film! Ah but you risk the book being inaccurate due to last minute plot/dialogue changes, in the films script. Me i'm going to wait for the proper release after the film, who knows it might even have those nice glossy photos in the middle with scenes from the film. Greg err, i better put a ;-) in soon -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Pub examination - Three Cups - tonight (Weds 19 Sept)
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: South Londoner: 'oop north' - anywhere the other side of the river. For instance, balham might be a good place for a london.pm meet ;-) -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Invisible ink e-mails
* Ian Brayshaw ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: In the lastest installment of IT fuckwittage, I now bring you ... snip Is it just me, or are more and more people starting to lose the plot? Isn't it great? Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Pub examination - Three Cups - tonight (Weds 19 Sept)
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Exactly. Can't think of any reason at all why anyone would object to a meeting there. I put _myself_ out every month, trudging over the river _especially_ to come to the meetings. It's time you all came to my side of the river :) What I `forgot' to mention in my first mail was that having a london.pm meeting in balham is a double edge sword, now to illustrate my point let me present http://217.34.97.146/~gem/pics/london.pm/2000/july/DSCF0041.JPG http://217.34.97.146/~gem/pics/london.pm/2000/july/DSCF0038.JPG http://217.34.97.146/~gem/pics/london.pm/2000/july/DSCF0036.JPG now imagine if the comment on the last photo was `we seem to be in dave's house' however before london.pm's reputation falls any lower, i will point out that J.Stowe turned up for this meeting and hence it is probably his fault ;-) http://217.34.97.146/~gem/pics/london.pm/2000/july/DSCF0006.JPG Please note how sane it looks at this point until JS influences us, Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
name of the bloke ......
Whats the name of the mad bloke who lives near Dave, you know the one that things the BBC are reading his thoughts as they are secret agents of MI5 or some such. Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: name of the bloke ......
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Mike Corley (aka Tadeusz Szocik). thanks, i was just checking to see if he had any crazy theories about the US bombings. unfortunatly its all me me me with him, still at least we have ESR, ho hum, Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
vague pub suggestion
It seems to me that almost any of the Davy's pub chain would do. They do good food (and most serve it in the early evening) and they have no music. They have a low selection of beers etc., but what they do have is reasonable. So all we need to do is find one that is central, has easy access to toilets etc. and if we can hire a room, that would be a bonus - i know the one in Croydon offers free `snacks' for birthday parties etc. Thoughts? Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
the irc_people page
i'm going to continue to add links for people, if anyone sees a link that they would rather not be associated with, please shout also if non-irc people would like listed, feel free to ask for those who have asked, once this becomes a reasonably full page i'll move it to the london.pm site or some such Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Evil Dave does Reginald Perrin
Just in case any of you thought Evil Dave was sane, he has gone a bit Reginal Perrin and started a page problems with his journeys on connex south, http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/hall-of-shame/ Greg p.s. Yes, i know this should be scribotted Yes, i know this is chatty like IRC So now that we agree on those, ho hum. -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Instant Messaging and all that Jazz
So, the web is shit right, well at least imho. I want to buy stuff I have to enter it in twenty different user databases, now there are some solutions to this, off to the top of my head * .Net- its M$ so it must be evil * XNS.org - they are a bunch of pseudo-open sourcers, who are probably doomed * dot.Gnu - i.e. .Net but without the X million users M$ can supply so it seems to me that whoever controls this area is going to be pretty powerful. I also think the amount of info they will hold will increase, probably via a data island structure that is based on their infrastructure, with CC companies holding your CC info and your doctor holding your medical info, etc. It also seems that this is a lot more linked to IM (Instant messaging) than the web, after all it truly does give you a dynamic online presence. So whats going to happen with all these things? The web shopping, the personality management and the IM arena? Does anyone have any thoughts? Greg p.s. I'm willing to give a tech talk on this, if people will forgive me for not being Perl orientated. -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
champagne
So what Champagne do you recommend? I know we have the great and the good on the list and also the french (who may be actually useful in this case). So what is the best fizz? I prefer Veuve Clicquot, but thats me, so whats the best reasonably priced fizz? -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
The best film of all time?
For me the best films of all time would be, Its a wonderful life Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid The Rocky Horror Picture show Highlander Star Wars One of the godfathers, not sure which Moulon Rouge and maybe the Exorcist but what are your top films? I ask because I feel the need to buy some more DVDs soon. Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Instant Messaging and all that Jazz
* Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [Damn, I misread the subject line as Instant Massageing ...] its ok, i have my own views about this so it might be flavoured a little On Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 04:36:35PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: I have to enter it in twenty different user databases, now there are some solutions to this, off to the top of my head .Net and dot.Gnu are programming language frameworks AIUI, were you thinking of M$ Passport, the single-sign-on-alike ? no, its all one and the same, imho. Passport is one of the reasons they are pushing .Net, at the end of the day with any framework you need a reasonable unique (or multiple unique) id system at the back end of it, such as jabbers username/server combo. i'm more trying to open discussion on this next generation web area Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
champagne/value/single malt/brandy , was Re: champagne
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: IMHO champagne is overrated and artificially overpriced[1] i sometimes think along similar lines, and while i like veuve clicquot, i realise that a similar amount can buy you a very nice bottle of single malt or brandy on the subject of brandy, its having a resurrgence in the mccarroll household (frightningly since i am now married it is probably now the mccarroll household), most recently i particularly enjoyed a bottle of Leopold Carrere Armagnac 1981 i've got the (empty) bottle in front of me now to remind me to get another soon now, i must admit, i know next to nothing about brandy, i know that calvados is apple/cider brandy and congnac is champagne brandy, but thats about it any tips would be appreciated, greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: The best film of all time?
I haven't proof read this, so please be patient and struggle to find meaning .. * Paul Mison ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Warning: this is me being (void)y on the wrong list, but it makes a change from p*l*t*cs. Anyway, Dominic told me to. excellent, after all we all know that (void) is a weak diluted version of london.pm, with the razor sharp intellect of london.pmers diluted by art students ;-) On 17/09/2001 at 16:48 +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote: On Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 04:41:42PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: Its a wonderful life Oh, please. It's so cheesy, and that's not just because of its age. The Every time i watch it I cry (and i'm not just saying that to impress chicks, i'm married after all), any media should move you and this film does. In fact I'm surprised you don't like this as it is depressing for most of it, perhaps its the happy ending [1] The Rocky Horror Picture show What did someone say about this on channel recently? 'Wannabe perversion for middle managers everywhere' or something. Excellent if this is true, and if it can move middle management into the jaws of perversion all the better, all to often the fringe society alienates this group because they are not `cool' or whatever - at least thats my excuse for not getting to go to cool parties However having said that your argument relies on a one off line on IRC, if everyone believe things that were said on IRC, then my recent line about ESR being a certifiable lunatic when it came to politics would be true . err actually it is, point taken ;-) Star Wars The entire Tattoine section is the most boring sci-fi ever committed to celluloid. And if you mean the trilogy I'll shove an Ewok up your arse. No I don't intend to, the rest of the films are shit. But this was a good one, anyway riper ground is ahead The second one is OK though. Downbeat endings are a good thing. See [1] Moulon Rouge Firstly, that's Moulin Rouge. your criticism speaks for itself ;-) Secondly, which version (I'm assuming the 2001 from now on). yet again it speaks for itself ;-) Thirdly, any film needs time to be called a 'best film of all time' and this hasn't had enough. Fourthly, anything that gives Elton John more money has to be seen as dubious. Fifthly, um, I have to admit I enjoyed it. Damn, that's that flame defused. Next you will be admitting you had fun ;-) [1] I love the Flash Gordon remake for its completely hilarious camp cheeziness. And the Queen soundtrack. Oh, please. It's got the crap Blue Peter presenter from the early 80s in. And Timothy Dalton. Sheesh. Mind you, Brian Blessed is amusingly over the top. i tend to agree here ... Next he'll be saying that Top Gun another well known homosexual film[2] was a classic. OK, so to counteract the negativity, here we go with some of my favourites: Blade Runner- ok, it's style over content, but what style depressing [1] Romeo and Juliet (1996? Baz Lurhman version)- now that's what I call reimagining depressing [1] however its by the same people as moulon/moulin rouge, so he's onto a loser here The Pillow Book- let's go ar(t|se)y in top British form, with bonus havent seen it, but it sounds arty[3], so its probably depressing [1] Amateur- Hal Hartley being, well, wierd, but it's pretty good. havent seen it, but it sounds arty[3], so its probably depressing [1] Greg [1] blech as usual displays his depressive, guardian inspired view of the world, perhaps if he partook in a few `live' studio tapings of countdown, as the rest of his generation are doing we wouldn't be [2] ok, it may not be homosexual (not that there is anything wrong with that[4]) but it irritates muttley, and after all he is to blame for so many things (including me stubbing my toe this morning) this can only be a good thing [3] still making films is better than serving people a big mac and fries [4] Don't order a half pint, that is s gay - offensive or not, discuss . -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: The best film of all time?
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: From: Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 04:41:42PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: For me the best films of all time would be, Its a wonderful life Oh, please. It's so cheesy, and that's not just because You'll have Barry Norman spinning in his grave[1]! forgive him, he just isn't in touch with his emotions, hey great idea ... how about a wonderful life evening near christmas, we watch the film, have some booze and maybe some home cooked cookies or similar Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: The best film of all time?
* Lucy McWilliam ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Agreed. Not saying the following are the greatest, but I sure find them amusing - The Crow Goff ;-) , The Matrix, Goffish ;-) Dark City, Goffish ;-) Contact, beautiful beautiful film, but probably not as beautiful as Moulin Rouge or American Beauty Fifth Element, who was the black host, he was wonderful! Little Shop of Horrors similar and yet so inferiror to RHPS The Lost Boys, Goff ;-) Gattaca good film, due to great book ~/ Run to the Hills Run for your Livvves /~ A great chorus, for an average song, that was the best of a poor bands career Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: The worst film of all time (The best film of all time?)
* James Powell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: How about the worst good call, i nominate The Fast and the Furious Armageddon you can't be serious, this was a great action/tear jerker, its got stuff for the blokes and the little ladies ;-) Bottom the Movie (what possessed me to rent this I do not know) i can't diss anyone who will set their crotch on fire on TV, ho hum Lethal Weapon 4 its leathal weapon and those films are .. BRILL ;-) greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: The best film of all time?
* Lucy McWilliam ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, 17 Sep 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: Goff ;-) Goffish ;-) You starting summat? I did a long time ago cider drinker! ;-) Got Danny John Jules in. Speaking of whichLabyrinth! goff! ;-) greg, the anti-goff also the anti-blech [1] [1] logicians will note that this does not make blech a goff, even the goffs have standards after all ;) -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
tommorow (tuesday) afternoon
i might be free tommorow afternoon, does anyone fancy meeting for lunch and/or afternoon drinks, or some such greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Time to read (was Re: volume)
* Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I wonder how people who dont have the luxury of a long commute with a laptop cope , how else do you find the time ? There should be enough clues in the headers of this reply to answer your question Mr Stowe, if not please ask for additional enlightenment greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
irc people
i've started a page at http://217.34.97.146/~gem/perl/irc_people.html of people who are on IRC in #london.pm if you are not listed could you send me a snipped of html of the form li super_irc_nick ul li John Smith li factoid li maybe another factoid such as home page /ul (see page for examples) and i'll add you Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: PING
* Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: As london.pm list admin, do you think then, that it might be useful to have a london.pm.test list ? But then we wouldn't get to play table tennis, besides it is never as good a test as just doing it. If it seems that the message is wasteful, you can feel happier in the knowledge that the intrinsic karma of the list (or true S/N ratio) is a returned to norm by the fact i decided not to post about my dream, where i was in a reality tv show that was based on some sort of .com company/commune. The enemy who voted me off were a sub group who i seem to recal resembled BBC assistant producers.[1] Greg [1] THIS DREAM IS REAL - DO LEAVE ;-) -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: irc people
* Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: diff -u irc_instructions irc_instructions_new --- irc_instructions Sun Sep 16 12:28:11 2001 +++ irc_instructions_new Sub Sep 16 12:28:35 2001 @@ -8,11 +8,16 @@ - could you send me a snipped of html of the + could you mail me off list with a snippet of html of the damn, i mean't to say the off list bit, well actually i mean't to say blinkmarqueeh1OFF LIST/h1/marquee/blink -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: PING
* Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Subject : PING Pong. Well i still find it fun, ho hum, Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: [PUB] inappropriatley timed pub suggestion
* Natalie Ford ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 05:15:25PM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: muttley, self appointed london.pm pub tzar and gifted amateur alcoholic This pub sounds ideal! :) Apart from the location, which is far to far north if you are travelling back south of the river by either public transport or mini cab. -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: [PUB] inappropriatley timed pub suggestion
* Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Well from my point of view this is a bit too far north to get home from after the typical meeting. Au contraire, to get to sunny Balham one should merely catch the Victoria line and either change at Euston and catch the Northern Line all the way there or change at stockwell and join with the northern line at that point. There are also overland trains that go directly there - the latest being at 11:45 (or 11:35 if you don't want any changes). Ditto for our Croydon bound brethren. Ah, but I'm in the S.E. of London, so things are a little harder. Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: [ANNOUNCE]Tech Meeting - Sept 20th
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: that they have their own unicorn for all I know. Cool! What alignment is it? I hope its black so I can kill it, take the horn for healing purposes and sacrifice the unicorn corpse on an altar aligned to my god. Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Divorcing data storage from business logic
* Struan Donald ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: * at 09/07 16:24 +0200 Philip Newton said: Lee Goddard wrote: Is there a free alternative to MySQL? Define 'free'. MySQL is GPL licensed and can be downloaded and used without charge. Is that not 'free' in your book? but if it's GPL'd doesn't that mean my computer'll be infected with viruses? no, all you have to do is read and understand every line of source and you'll be ok -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Intro
* Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Anna Langley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all, I've just joined this weekend. By way of intro, I'm a Unix SA with a creeping NT job responsibility working for an investment bank. A lot older than a lot of you have owned up to at 39. Do you have a beard? Female SA's don't have beards Dave, but they generally drink real ale and have some weird musical tastes. Anyway Anna, how did you have the misfortune to stumble across our merry little group? Greg p.s. I'm hoping that I don't have to give money to charity because of this post. p.p.s. Thanks for all the feedback so far, I've archived all the grammar correction responses. -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
technical book piracy
* Neil Ford ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: With all the recent talk of book piracy sites... I just wanted to qualify things before someone asked :-) I don't have a big problem with pirated technical books for people who can't afford the normal copies. I remember how much I wanted books when I was younger and couldn't afford them. Before you suggest it, the books I wanted were not always available in libraries, of any kind. If pirated books had been as easily available in those days I'd would of used them. However if someone can afford it, they should really buy the book, to reward the author and publisher for the months and sometimes years of work they have put into it. A good technical book can give you the insights of someone who has worked in the field for several years - just look at DMWP, Dave could never of written[1] this book if he hadn't of been doing Perl programming for several years and exhibited the patience of a saint on various web based Perl boards[2]. This also leads me to one of the reasons why I like free *nixes. I used to like NT a lot, you could do a lot with it and compared to the state of Linux/Samba a few years ago, NT was streets ahead as a fileserver for Windows based desktops. What turned me against NT and Microsoft was the cost of MSDN membership (this was before they put it on the web). These CD's held the knowledge that should of came with the OS in help files or books, because I could afford these CD's at the time I turned away from the dark side. The one thing that could be wrong with my earlier theory about young people[3] who cannot afford the book using pirated copies is that they do not end up appreciating the book. I've seen some young people with hard disk's bulging with MP3z/Warez/Porn that have no sense of the value of the material - maybe this is the future. Greg [1] Or is it wrote? [2] This is imho, Dave might not of benefited from this, in terms of writing the book - its just an educated guess from me. [3] I'm only 26 (well 27 very soon) and yet in this modern age I feel pretty damn old some days, I can't imagine what Steve Mynott[4] feels like ;-). [4] Note the move from DC to SM in order to give DC a break from being the token old person (at least for a week or two), but don't worry he shall remain the token authority figure. -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Invite
Since I have moved down to London, I consider most if not all of London.pm my friends, and hence you are invited to a little birthday gathering, details at http://217.34.97.146/~gem/bday.html -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
mailman
i know why mailman is written in python - python is akin to binary distribution, it is nearly impossible to read due to its syntax via indentation crap. g. -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: ICFP
* Robin Houston ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 02:09:25PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: for a number of years i've fancied entering the ICFP's competiton http://cristal.inria.fr/ICFP2001/prog-contest/ with a Perl entry, would anyone else be interested in forming a team? Could be a laugh. It's worth bearing in mind that the problems have always been hardcore algorithm-crunching ones, and that (for obvious reasons) the only entries that have ever made the shortlist have been written in languages which compile to fast machine code (C, Cilk, ocaml, even strongly-typed assembler in one case!) Also you're given 72 hours to do it in, so everyone would need to take three days off work. i think there is a special class for people who only want to spend 24 hours solving it - this might be in the favour of perl, i.e. the old line about optimising programmer time not program execution -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Technical Meetings
* Mark Fowler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Mark Fowler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: i can remember meeting some people at the pub near linux expo and then nothing else You owe me a fiver, as you have obviously failed to remember the double or quits game of you'll never remember this the next day we are playing the day isn't up,and all i have to do is remember the game and so i have Shenanigans. I declare shenanigans! You remembered and then _deliberately_ _lied_. How you win the game doesn't matter, this ain't sesame street Elmo. ;-) I'm on to your sort McCarroll. I say that you've lost the bet and have to help richard and me with our talk at yapc::e and pay me the fiver ;-) thats not the way double and quits works, had you forgotten it was double or quits? or had you forgotten how double or quits works? i don't know these people and their memories Over to the independant adjudicators please... i would point out to all the unbiasd adjudicators out there who are going to Y::E, that if Mark loses that means there is less of a chance of you getting roped into my skit out of interest, how would people feel if i started offering 5p to charity for each grammar mistake pointed out in my posts? Greg -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: ICFP
* Roger Burton West ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On or about Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 07:29:47PM +0200, Paul Johnson typed: Looks like it starts on Thursday afternoon too. Now, if only there were a social meeting that day... There is another option, we form a team[1] with people in different timezones and hence get the benefit of people having freetime in each timezone and passing it off when others have freetime in their timezone [1] or teams -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
