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Does anyone have, or know where to get, The Siver Swan by Orlando Gibbons arranged for 4/5 voices and with lute accompaniment in tablature? I can get the lute tablature with one voice and I can also get a four voice arrangement without tablature. Unfortuntely their formats are not compatible. thanks Charles
Ravenscroft 'Remember God's goodness'
Does anyone have, or know of, an intabulation of this? thanks Charles Browne
RE: Mary Burwell Tutor
Manolo, try Brian Jordan in Cambridge,UK who deals with early music email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Charles -Original Message- From: Manolo Laguillo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 October 2004 00:19 To: LUTELIST Subject: Mary Burwell Tutor Dear list: I'm interested in the Mary Burwell lute tutor, reprinted in facsmile years ago by the Severinus Press (am I right?). Where can I find it (I mean the facsimile, of course...)? Does somebody know of the existance of a copy of it? Saludos from Barcelona, Manolo Laguillo -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
RE: advise (off list)
the coffee is certainly better than in the US but why not try some 'real' ale? Charles Browne -Original Message- From: Joe Mayes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 October 2004 22:23 To: bill kilpatrick; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: advise (off list) .and anyone visiting the UK? Joseph Mayes > From: bill kilpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 22:10:36 +0100 (BST) > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: advise (off list) > > anyone planning a trip to the united states should > bring their own coffee. > > at all costs, avoid "french blend." > > recuperating - bill > > > > = > "and thus i made...a small vihuela from the shell of a creepy crawly..." - Don > Gonzalo de Guerrero (1512), "Historias de la Conquista del Mayab" by Fra > Joseph of San Buenaventura > > > > > > ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! > Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
RE: Lute playing in 2004.
As attempted suicide was a criminal act until the 1950s?, in the UK, the real figures were under-reported by a big margin. Successful suicide was a mortal sin and would have been also under-reported. Barbiturate overdoses were reduced drastically by prescribing agreements by General Practitioners and the change from 'Town' gas to natural gas was very effective although some would-be suicides achieved their aim by blowing themselves up instead. The recent reduction in packet size of drugs such as Paracetamol has also reduced the suicide rates. I thought that suicide rates tended to reduce sightly when there were crises in the world but I have no data on that. The actual attempt is only the tip of the iceberg and perhaps a better index of suicudal tendency is to look at other realated activities that may be associated with depression, eg counselling, rate of Anti-depressive medication or the type of activity that is often associated with a short life such as heavy drinking anti-social behaviour etc. Of course we lutenists can avoid all this by playing well and often, which act probably increases the level of brain transmitter substances such as Serotonin and protects us from depression!!. How does Leonard Cohen compare with John Dowland for precipitating suicidal thoughts? CHB -Original Message- From: Howard Posner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 November 2004 16:24 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Lute playing in 2004. Herbert Ward wrote: > I've read that the suicide rate has quadrupled in the past 60 years for > young adult males, (and doubled for females). > From this, it is reasonable to assume that modern lutenists operate in a > profound general society-wide emotional deficit, compared to the period of > their literature's production. I think the only assumptions, reasonable or otherwise, that stem from the numbers is that more young Americans commit suicide now than half a century ago. We don't know what the suicide rate in Europe in 1600 was. Nor do I think you can conclude that there is a "profound general society-wide emotional deficit" simply because 99.99% of Americans in the higher-risk categories do not commit suicide now, as opposed to 99.995% sixty years ago. HP To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
RE:Burwell Lute Book etc for information
Dear All, following recent emails about the Mary Burwell Lute book, I tried to get a copy from Severinus Editions. I received the following answer from Severinus. I have also heard from Ruxbury Publications who are currently setting up binding facilities but will be processing orders shortly. I do not have an email address, unfortunately! 'We have tranferred to stock of Boethius lute books to Ruxbury Publications, Scout Bottom Farm, Mytholmroyd, HX7 5JS,UK, and they will be supplying the books in future.' with regards Charles Browne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
RE: Sape
Dear Stewart, there is an official Sarawak website and it might be a useful starting point to contact them first Best wishes Charles -Original Message- From: Stewart McCoy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 December 2004 21:17 To: Lute Net Subject: Sape Dear All, I seek information about the so-called boat-lute played in Sarawak, known as a "sape". I have the opportunity of borrowing one. It has frets missing, a broken string, and generally needs tidying up. Someone has stuck drawing pins (thumb tacks in American) on the front of the instrument, presumably to guide the strings. It has metal strings, yet a website I found on the Internet says that the strings were traditionally made from a Sago tree, and nowadays are made of nylon. If this instrument can be mended, I would also like music to play on it, in particular the music for "Datun julud", one of the warrior dances associated with head-hunting. Does anyone know of a sape expert, who lives in England, to whom I could turn for advice? Any help would be appreciated. Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
RE: El Maestro (Was: Vihuela,....)
none! There were no light bulbs in renaissance times. -Original Message- From: Alain Veylit [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 December 2004 19:11 To: Arto Wikla Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: El Maestro (Was: Vihuela,) Arto, The original joke went: Republican congressmen repealed a motion to rename French tablature "freedom tablature" on the account that they did not want to have to learn yet another kind of tablature. By the way, how many lutenists does it take to change a light bulb? Alain Arto Wikla wrote: >On Wednesday 15 December 2004 23:29, Alain Veylit wrote: > > >>I added a PDF version in Freedom Tablature also. >> >> > > > [...] Goran Crona's beautiful transcription of Luys Milan's Maestro (vihuela solo pieces only) from my site at http://cbsr26.ucr.edu/wlkfiles/ELF.html [...] > >Many thanks Alain! > >It took me a couple of seconds to understand the word "Freedom >Tabulature". Funny! Very funny!! ;-) > >Arto > > > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
RE: Sape
further to my earlier email, there is a 'Sape' internet site which has a contact list Charles -Original Message- From: Stewart McCoy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 December 2004 21:17 To: Lute Net Subject: Sape Dear All, I seek information about the so-called boat-lute played in Sarawak, known as a "sape". I have the opportunity of borrowing one. It has frets missing, a broken string, and generally needs tidying up. Someone has stuck drawing pins (thumb tacks in American) on the front of the instrument, presumably to guide the strings. It has metal strings, yet a website I found on the Internet says that the strings were traditionally made from a Sago tree, and nowadays are made of nylon. If this instrument can be mended, I would also like music to play on it, in particular the music for "Datun julud", one of the warrior dances associated with head-hunting. Does anyone know of a sape expert, who lives in England, to whom I could turn for advice? Any help would be appreciated. Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
RE: Instrument Sounding
Dear Denis, it is very interesting to watch craft skills and then see how their skills are passed on. After a career in anaesthetics I have watched a good many surgeons operate and the really skillful ones have been a joy to watch but they dont necessarily achieve speed through fast movements but by completely removing any un-necessary ones.These same surgeons are often very relaxed and talk while operating but keep up rhythmical movements without apparently tireing. When their collagues watch and try to copy they often copy the movement rather than the lack of it with the result that they remain slow without understanding why. This 'easy gracefulness' of the good surgeon is, IMHO, the same as you are desribing. TRaining is obviously important to achieve the right physical control over our hands but the gracefulness comes from other regions of the brain than just connected with motor -cordination. I sometimes play music through my Windows Media player and look at the colours that are produced and wonder whether it would be possible to use a form of feedback like colour when learning a piece. An american ski-instructor once told me that to learn to ski fast parallels the best way is to put on Bach with earphones and go with the rhythm. A speech Therapist, working on voice projection for actors,used a little game to move a shape on a computer screen when the inflection and pitch was adjusted correctly. In all these methods the person is not consciously concentrating on the real task, surgery/skiing/singing, but on the sideshow. I would be interested to hear whether these thought ring bells with others and, if so, how do we apply the ideas to lute playing? Best wishes Charles -Original Message- From: Denys Stephens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 December 2004 15:14 To: lute net Subject: Re: Instrument Sounding Dear Stephan & All, I am intrigued to read from time to time accounts of applying varying degrees of control to the top joints of right hand fingers. My own experience is that I have no independent volition at all over whether my finger tips are fixed or flexible. It concerns me that any attempt to control this is likely to introduce unnecessary tension. Through years of working with Alexander Technique in playing I have attempted to allow the maximum possible level of relaxation and balance in my whole body, which inevitably leads to the hands functioning as nature intended them to do - without any mind set about stiffening or relaxing this or that finger joint. I think this is the "easy gracefulness" that Besarde / Dowland wrote about and encouraged, and it's my belief that this is likely to lead to the best possible sound when playing. We all, of course, have individual minor quirks of physiology: whilst it's fair to deduce that the hands of a great musician have a high level of proficiency when playing we cannot assume that our own hands would look the same in every detail if we attained that level of mastery ourselves. In fact, trying to copy them could be the very thing that stops us getting there. Best wishes, Denys No beard, incidentally! :-) - Original Message - From: "Stephan Olbertz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 12:27 AM Subject: Re: Instrument Sounding > Oh yes, thank you! Apparently he leaves the end joint fixed, > that is to say: it's not bent passively in the opposite > direction of the stroke. > > Regards, > > Stephan > > Am 18 Dec 2004 um 9:37 hat Daniel F Heiman geschrieben: > > > Stephan: > > > > You can watch 6 seconds of Nigel North's right hand in action on the > > LSA "Downloads" page (unfortunately no sound included). > > > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lsa/download/index.html#video > > > > Daniel Heiman > > > > On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:36:22 +0100 "Stephan Olbertz" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > >Dear Carl, > > > > > >this is quite interesting (although nails do not prevent such a > > > technique, > > >it all depends on filing and various angles). Did he teach the > > > end joint to > > >be flexible or not? > > > > > >And how do our best thumb-outsiders on the baroque lute (North > > > and others) > > >deal with this detail? Does someone have first hand experience? > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > >Stephan To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
RE: Beards
Sir, lutes are astute, they are only played by the hirsute! -Original Message- From: s.gliese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 December 2004 17:40 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Beards G-major beard did God get beard or did he gut it could gut play bearded did God play gutgoat bearded or did he just gut it goated or did he just goat it guttingly getting gutgoat goatgut scratching or did God just get goatgut from the arched goats getting goatbearded God-gut got God gut did God major in G or did he minor in gut if he had got gut enough bearded steffen To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
RE: Instrument Sounding
Dear Jon, I think the word 'loo' is a corruption of 'l'eau' from the expression 'gardez l'eau' as the contents of the chamber-pot were thrown into the street! Happy New Year! Charles -Original Message- From: Jon Murphy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 December 2004 09:18 To: Vance Wood; lute list Subject: Re: Instrument Sounding Vance, I'm with you, I just mentioned the banjo finger picks as I know of them (tried 'em, hate 'em). But I wonder at what you say of the lute - I thought (from previous messages when I first joined the list) that lute players not only didn't use fingernails but also wanted soft flesh on their fingers. The instruments I know to "require" fingernails are classical guitar and wire strung harp. I don't play classical guitar, but I do play an equivalent to the wire harp and find my rather hardened fingertips are fine for that, yet not too hard for lute or nylon strung harp. I guess that one can't have perfection if one plays different instruments, but the best compromise is probably no fingernails. BTW, you spell the "loo" as "lew", not that I mean to pick nits. It just gives me the opportunity to bounce a thought off our UK brethren on the list. I have a theory on the origin of the word. The English word of some time back for the "john" is W.C. (water closet). Nineteenth C. England was noted for euphemisms and nicknames. England (with the Prussians) defeated Napoleon at Waterloo. Only a small step to convert water closet into Waterloo as a nickname, and then abbreviate it to "loo". Not lute related (unless you leave out the "t"), but I love words as well as music. Best, Jon To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
RE: *** SPAM *** Re: torn fingernails
Silk is probably better and in the UK there are a couple of kits that are sold for the purpose. all you need is a crescent of silk of a similar weight to a silk handkerchief and a good acrylic cement containing an anti-fungal compound as fungal infections in the nails will really damage them and are more likely with frequent applications of false nails. Apply a small amount of cement to the edge of the nail and apply the crescent, cut to fit, with about 1/16 - 1/4 inch overlay. Apply a coat of acrylic cement to the the silk and nail once the first application has dried, allow that to dry and then apply a second coat. Let that dry completely before shaping with emery paper. If you can, let the nail dry over night but I have done the whole thing in two hours. Dont forget the solvent for the cement. The new nail will last for up to three weeks. Charles -Original Message- From: Eugene C. Braig IV [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 January 2005 15:08 To: bill kilpatrick; lute list Subject: *** SPAM *** Re: torn fingernails At 12:38 AM 1/11/2005, bill kilpatrick wrote: >there's an interesting contribution to the "fingers vs >fingerpicks vs plectrums" thread over on >[EMAIL PROTECTED] that details how to >repair torn fingernails with perm paper (the guy is a >hair dresser) and glue. > >- bill I don't know that this is useful to most lutenists, maybe the Italianate archlute crowd, but when I have a guitar gig pending and have damaged nails, I do something similar. I will apply a thin layer of some incarnation of cyanoacrylate (i.e., "super" glues) to the damaged area. I almost always use commercially available "nail" glues because they seem a little more pliable and less rigid. I will place a sliver of coffee filter paper over the glue, torn to fit and leaving the jagged edges to be more absorbent and "blend-able." Depending on the nature of the damage, I may fold the paper over the edge of the tear and under the nail as well. After the glue becomes tacky, I will layer more cyanoacrylate over this whole assembly. After it is completely dry, I blend the edges into the nail and buff it to a shine with multi-stage cosmetic nail buffers. The end result should be almost invisible and function essentially like the nail itself, both in typical punteado upstrokes and in rasgueado...of course it should, but it sometimes requires a mid-process abort, especially in positioning the paper, and a restart. It will be thicker and certainly more rigid than nail, but it will do in a bind. If the nail is lost, I will cut acrylic (either a ping-pong ball or the finer end of artificial fingernails that is designed to be glued over the nail) to fit and glue it _under_ the nail with the acrylic protruding to span the lost area. The joint will receive the glue-and-coffe-filter-paper treatment described above. Best, Eugene To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Carl Sjoberg - Tonerna
Does anybody have a sheet music copy of this song, orginally for piano and soprano? if so, could they get in touch with me,off-list,please? thanks Charles Browne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Rosseter's 'What then is love but mourning?'
greetings, can anyone let me have the lute accompaniment to this song,please? - in tablature - thanks Charles To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Printing and Binding
And now for something completely different! given that there is so much tablature available in downloadable form, I have found that printing and binding of A4 sheets is becoming a regular chore. I have been using plastic comb binders to complete the process, which creates a document that opens fully on the music stand, but I am going to get a thicker file professionally bound with thermal 'glue' binding. I also wondered about using professional printing services to print larger documents as my domestic printer takes hours to print in best quality, especially when I use duplex printing. What does everybody else use and are there some ideas that could be of benefit to us all? best wishes Charles To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
RE: *** SPAM *** Re: Printing and Binding
Dear Donatella, yes please, I would like to see what you have described. I think I have seen such examples in Venice together with glass pens from Murano and paper that looked too good to write on! I seem to remember one shop that sold minature books as 'minimal libraries' that were either free-standing or could be hung on the wall. I suppose that it would be impossible to remove all traces of today's world when seeking authenticity. When we had a six-day power cut after the storms in January I did think of playing by candle-light but I gave up in disgust as I couldnt see anything. best wishes Charles -Original Message- From: Donatella Galletti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 March 2005 21:36 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: *** SPAM *** Re: Printing and Binding Strange...I've just done it after years I had quit... I use a light folder, cut it in two A4 pieces, line them with kind of Florence paper, '500 -'600 like, glue the edges of the lined A4 to a cotton ribbon, the kind which is cut in diagonal and with two folded edges (sorry, I don't know the English name for that..and even the Italian one, but it certainly has..), fold the upper and lower external edges of the ribbon and glue them, then cut another piece and glue it on it in the inner side of the folder. I also glue cloth triangles on the angles, 8 silk light ribbons to close the book, and if I feel like, a painting of the period in the inside cover . I group the papers, I glue the edge and press it on the ribbon inside the book Done. "Pattex" or "Uhu" glue will do. I can't play Baroque or Renaissance if I see plastic around the pages.. I was thinking of putting some pictures on my website, might they be of use? Donatella http://web.tiscali.it/awebd - Original Message - From: "Charles Browne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lutelist" Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 8:58 PM Subject: Printing and Binding > And now for something completely different! > given that there is so much tablature available in downloadable form, I have > found that printing and binding of A4 sheets is becoming a regular chore. I > have been using plastic comb binders to complete the process, which creates a > document that opens fully on the music stand, but I am going to get a thicker > file professionally bound with thermal 'glue' binding. I also wondered about > using professional printing services to print larger documents as my domestic > printer takes hours to print in best quality, especially when I use duplex > printing. > What does everybody else use and are there some ideas that could be of benefit > to us all? > best wishes > Charles > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
RE: Printing and Binding
Dear Denys, I don't think I would ever be able to read my own handwriting! but I take the point about being connected with the music. I used to use a loose-leaf folder for music that I was preparing for performance(guitar) and I still do that for choral work but my main problem, if it can be called that, is the volume of unbound tablature available. When I played the guitar most of my music was obtained from music publishers and was bound so the problem didnt arise. As people are creating Fronimo and Django files consisting of 100 pages, or more, then the loose filing systems cannot cope so well. Even the Lute Society inserts occupy quite a bit of room when collecte all together. I suppose one has to be more selective but I think it is rather like being in a sweet shop with all the 'goodies' on display. A school friend went to work for Cadbury's at Bournville in the late '50s. He was told that he could sample the chocolates from the assembly line as he would be heartily sick of them after 3 months. I met him 10 years later no longer looking as slim - 'I am still sampling the chocolates' he said. 'They taste even better now, as I know more about chocolate - making'. I would have thought that there is an opportunity for an enterprising person to provide a dedicated printing and binding service for lutenists? best wishes and we may meet at the next LS meeting Charles -Original Message- From: Denys Stephens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 March 2005 21:48 To: lute net Subject: Re: Printing and Binding Dear Charles, Years ago I used to buy music manuscript paper, hand rule an extra line on each stave and bind the pages into a hard covered manuscript book. I then copied each piece by hand into it as I learned it - I liked the sense of connection it gave me with our historical predecessors. I still have about six of these on my shelf and can tell what I was playing over the years. These days, with lots of Fronimo output I use A4 display books - 20, 40 or 60 plastic sleeves in a stiff plastic cover. They open flat. You can put pages back to back so it looks like a normal book. For performances I arrange the pieces in their running order so there's no panic looking for the next piece. There is a version of these folders that allows the individual pages to be repositioned which is handy. The only disadvantage is the reflective quality the pages have if you catch the light at the wrong angle - so you need to be careful about stage lighting when performing. I also use these folders for microfilm print outs of original sources. There is a type that allows you to put a printed insert on the spine which helps to organise everything on my music shelf. I find these ideal and would be lost without them. Best wishes, Denys - Original Message - From: "Charles Browne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lutelist" Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 7:58 PM Subject: Printing and Binding > And now for something completely different! > given that there is so much tablature available in downloadable form, I have > found that printing and binding of A4 sheets is becoming a regular chore. I > have been using plastic comb binders to complete the process, which creates a > document that opens fully on the music stand, but I am going to get a thicker > file professionally bound with thermal 'glue' binding. I also wondered about > using professional printing services to print larger documents as my domestic > printer takes hours to print in best quality, especially when I use duplex > printing. > What does everybody else use and are there some ideas that could be of benefit > to us all? > best wishes > Charles > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 18/03/2005 > > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 18/03/2005
RE: Tuner Recommendations
Rob, it is also worth looking at the Peterson tuners which, although more expensive, have a number of features that make them useful. I keep on dropping my Korg OT-12 and the case is now almost in pieces. The Peterson V-SAM II has a rubber 'boot' that certainly protects it if it drops on the floor. Peterson also make a clamp to hold the tuner onto the music stand. The virtual strobe tuning is a delight and I think my lutes are now far better tuned than before. The Metronome is full-featured. It also has a function that allows the metronome sound to be turned off after a certain number of beats. The VSAM II has a number of pre-set temperaments and provides two extra channels for the user to programme in their own offsets. The stated accuracy of the Peterson VSAM is higher than 'needle' or 'LED' tuners and the Peterson website has a number of articles that explains the relevance of this for practical purposes. I have no connection with Peterson, BTW. I am delighted with my VSAM II. (good for rock lute!) Charles -Original Message- From: Ramon Marco de Sevilla [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2005 03:06 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: Tuner Recommendations What tuners have you had experience with or would you recommend? Korg, Arion, Sabine? Thanks! Rob To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
RE: web.gerbode.net
I emailed Sarge a couple of days ago about this and he is looking into it. So I guess it is a technical problem? Charles -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 April 2005 13:10 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: web.gerbode.net Does anyone know what happened to this web site. It dissapeared about a week ago. http://web.gerbode.net/ft2/composers/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
RE Straube
Can anyone tell me in what key(s) Straube's lute sonatas are written,please?.I thought probably G Major/ E minor but I am not certain. thanks Charles To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Anne Boleyn's last song? "O Death, rock me asleepe"
Does anyone have a lute accompaniment to this song,ascribed to Anne Boleyn? If so, I would be grateful for a copy thanks Charles Browne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
RE: Byrd
Dear Jon, a propos arrangements, you might be interested to look at the recent court case between Hyperion Records (UK) and Dr Sawkins concerning the ownership of musical copyright of a performing edition of Lalande, whose music is out of copyright. The UK Law lords agreed with Dr Sawkins, on appeal, that work involved in creating an arrangement can be sufficient to consider it an 'original' piece of work. Hyperion's URL is www.Hyperion.co.uk but the full transcript of the judgement is also available. regards Charles -Original Message- From: Jon Murphy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 July 2005 16:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Roman Turovsky Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: Re: Byrd RT, I both agree and disagree, which makes me indecisive on the face of it. Nothing is original, and everything is. I just bought the Bunting book facsimile (1840) that transcribes, and arranges for piano forte, the harp music of Ireland - "in order to preserve it". I have some of the same pieces from 1625 as lute tab from other originals. What is an arrangement, and what is a song? For once I am in agreement with you. Scarlatti and Bach did original work in reworking (arranging) earlier works. But if I take the Bunting piano arrangements and return them to harp am I original? I don't think so, but it is a puzzlement. I think we need new words, actually not new words but a different sense of the old words in context. I really enjoy playing the Sarmantica XVI that you lured me to by speaking of parallel fifths (not many in there, but it got me there) as well as other Sarmanticas. So now let us have a test of words, and this isn't directed only to you, it is to the list. I think we agree on arrangements as originals. I take the tab notation of Sarmantica XVI and put it into staff notation for harp (or piano, or whatever). I have transcibed it for another medium, but I've done nothing original. Now I take the voices in the lute piece and separate them a bit, using the fact that the harpist can play more voices than the lutenist can, I'm still not original, but I am arranging the same piece for a different instrument. Yet the arrangement doesn't qualify as an original. Now I include the lute piece into an orchestral score as a theme across the instruments - now I'm original. What is original and what is derivative in music is a difficult decision. I once had a project to put A.E. Housman to music, but only wrote one melody (for Moonlit Sheep). I came up with a unique chord progression that made my melody perfect, then found the same chord progression in the Theme from Exodus (the movie) which was written later. There are only so many ways you can use notes in a melody, and only so many chord progressions - but there are an infinite number of ways to make a song. Therein lies the problem, and the solution. If the sense of the music is the same then it is a transcription (or translation). If the sense is similar, but enhanced with additional instruments then it is an arrangement. If the sense changes then it is original. On the lute the inversions of chords aren't easily available, unless one has the fingers of "rubberman". But on the harp the inversions are easy. So if I change the inversion of the chord the other guy wrote for the piece am I arranging, or just making easy fingering for the same piece. I don't know, and I don't really want to know. Best, Jon To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Purcell ' Now that the sun hast veiled its light'
Does anyone know of an intabulation of this anthem by Henry Purcell? there is a modern version in 'A 100 Church Anthems' ed Walford Davies thanks Charles Browne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] interpretation of arpeggiated chords in Weiss sonatas
I enjoyed watching, and listening to, Daniel Shoskes playing the prelude from the Sonata no 13 of the Weiss London MS on Youtube. I wondered whether there are any written performance 'suggestions' for playing Weiss's arpeggiated chords or whether this is an individual choice at the time of preparation. I have read Michel Cardin's analysis of the London Ms with great interest but I am still at a loss to know how best to perform the arpeggiations 'correctly'. Any help would be greatly appreciated thanks Charles To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: More on Sting again REVISED
according to John Carey "John Donne - Life, mind and Art" Faber&Faber 1981 the fine was £20 per month. Donne came from a very well-connected Catholic family but he turned apostate eventually. Presumably the random nature of the persecution was far worse than anything else and the torture and execution of Catholics would have been gruesome and public with many victims being either friends or family. Apostasy was little better as this meant 'hellfire and damnation for all eternity' which was then believed absolutely. Sadly, there are modern parallels! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 February 2007 15:49 To: David Rastall; Nancy Carlin Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: More on Sting again REVISED --- David Rastall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you were a Catholic in the England of > 1600, probably you > would be left alone as long as you didn't get > political. > --- David Rastall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you were a Catholic in the England of > 1600, probably you > would be left alone as long as you didn't get > political. > Yes, but what of something like the 20-pound fine - initiated under Elizabeth - that was imposed upon anyone not present at the state-church's Sunday services? This is quite considerable when you consider that the average person brought in around _2_ pounds a year! This would have been a serious burden for even the wealthiest of Catholics. Today we can point to instances of a few people like Byrd who were able to jump over the hurdles of state-sponsored discrimination, but that doesn't mean that the powers-that-be were willing to look the other way in every case. Why _would_ they want Catholics in these primo positions? Consider the case of blacks in the US before the civil rights movement. As a black, you might very well have been, say, the most gifted lawyer applying for a position at a firm. In spite of this merit, there's every likelyhood that your resume would have ended up in the waste basket before it ever even got past the front desk. Chris Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] intabulations of "God so loved the world" and "Ah holy Jesu, how hast thou offended"
I am looking for intabulations of "God so loved the world" - for four voices, and "Ah Holy Jesu, how hast though offended" by Cruger - for four voices, for archlute. If any one has these pieces intabulated and is willing to share them I would be most grateful thanks Charles To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Anthony Rooley's Lute Lessons
Dear Bruce I dont know about this recording but if you are looking for easy music with an associated CD the Lute Society produces one: 58 Very Easy Pieces for Renaissance Lute NOW WITH CD edited by Christopher Goodwin, John H. Robinson, and Jeanne Fisher, with left-hand fingerings by Lynda Sayce. 58 very easy pieces for 6-course lute, in a variety of styles, chosen from English, and Italian sources, approximately graded in order of difficulty for the beginner, or those wanting something genuinely easy to play, for a change! 40 pages. The accompanying CD, Blame not my Lute, recorded by Jacob Heringman, is also available as a download, with free try-before-you-buy option, at www.magnatune.com ISBN 0 905655 22 2 Members: £8 / $14 /E12 non-members: £10 /$18 / E15 Postage: Band B Book alone without CD, members: £5 / US $9 / E7.50 non-members: £7 /$12.50/E10.5 Postage: Band B regards Charles -Original Message- From: Bruce O. Bowes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 April 2007 14:26 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LUTE] Anthony Rooley's Lute Lessons I have been given a copy of "A new varietie of Lute Lessons" and I notice that it was originally published ( would you believe in 1975 ) with an LP. Does any one know if the LP ever made it into either a tape or cd? It would be wonderful if I could obtain a copy of it for it goes along with the lessons in the book. Thank you Bruce O. Bowes -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] 2 questions
does anyone have lute accompaniments to 1."My spirit longs for Thee" by John Dowland and 2. Palestrina "O bone Jesu" for SATB. Both are available in staff notation but if anyone has already done the intabulations and were willing to share them I would be most grateful! thanks Charles To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: To end all Lute Chord Confusion
I wonder which politician you would name that after? Charles -Original Message- From: Stewart McCoy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 June 2007 16:52 To: Lute Net Subject: [LUTE] To end all Lute Chord Confusion Dear David, Not half as difficult as Dutch typed fast, or Japanese for that matter. In answering Neil's initial question by supplying a list of chords for the lute, one can see why there must be better ways of approaching the lute other than solely through chord shapes. I particularly liked the chords with seven flats in the key signature, i.e. what you get when you drop a grand piano down a pit shaft. Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. - Original Message - From: "LGS-Europe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 9:44 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: to end all Lute Chord Confusion >> music > bottom of the page, a chord chart with two alternative sheapes >> for > > Sorry, plural of sheep is sheep, I know that. Let alone shape and shapes. > English typed fast is difficult. > > David > >> >> David - haste job, so corrections are welcome ;-) > > Told you so ... To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Carbon strings
Dear colleagues, I have three carbon strings, at least I had three, marked No.6, No.8 and No, 10. Presumably these were from reels of fishing line. Is there a standard relationship between this type of numbering and string diameter? thanks Charles To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] zero volume MP3 files
Dear all has anyone made any zero volume spacer files in MP3 format that they would be willing to share? I am trying to put some pauses in a continuous loop playlist that has no means of separating items on the list, apart from inserting MP3 files with zero volume but with defined times eg 2/5/10 minutes? many thanks Charles To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Nigel on YouTube
The Lute Society Newsletter for December 2003 (no 68) has an article by Christopher Goodwin on "some recent Dowland discoveries". There are some references to 'solus cum Sola' . The meaning is given as 'a man alone with a woman alone'. The article is well-worth reading ! Charles Browne -Original Message- From: Taco Walstra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 July 2007 09:24 To: Eric Crouch; lutelist Subject: [LUTE] Re: Nigel on YouTube On Thursday 19 July 2007 09:28, Eric Crouch rattled on the keyboard: > Can anyone explain the meaning of the title 'Solus cum Sola' and the > next piece in Poulton 'Solus sine Sola'? > > Eric Crouch Hi, the easy answer is 'the mail and the female alone' as the meaning of the first, but that doesn't say much. Point is where the title comes from. I read an explanation a long time ago that it came from a well-known book in Elizabethan times which had something to do with a lover trying to get into a bedroom of a girl. Don't know the details anymore. It was different from Poulton's explanation which is doubted (she thought it had to do with a reference to a philosopers text if I remember well). Sorry not any details, but perhaps somebody knows more about it. taco > > On 18 Jul 2007, at 22:47, Jim Abraham wrote: > > The longer one is "Solus cum sola", Poulton #10. > > > > On 7/18/07, Alain Veylit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> This may have been answered already: which piece exactly is Nigel > >> playing? > >> Alain > >> > >> Ed Durbrow wrote: > >>> Thanks for posting this. Wonderful. Very interesting how he is so > >>> free with his right arm. > >>> > >>> On Jul 8, 2007, at 12:22 AM, DANIEL SHOSKES wrote: > >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qIigZZb4ME > >>>> > >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXb3zih2umw > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> To get on or off this list see list information at > >>>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >>> > >>> Ed Durbrow > >>> Saitama, Japan > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ > > > > -- -- University of Amsterdam, Faculty of Science Drs. T.R. Walstra Valckenierstraat 65 1018 XE Amsterdam, The Netherlands Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 0031-20-5255730 Web: http://staff.science.uva.nl/~walstra
[LUTE] Re: Pilkington
try www.gerbode.net. There are 8 or 9 pieces under Pilkington. The Lute Society newsletter no 69 had ,in its music supplement, "the Collected Lute music of francis Pilkington" Charles -Original Message- From: Eduardo Hayashi Magagnin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 August 2007 02:22 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Pilkington I need urgent works about Francis Pilkington. Has somebody anything about this? Thanks Eduardo Hayashi -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Test format Pegs
this is the URL that works. There are two character codes at the end of the first line that can easily be removed with a text editor. http://s105.photobucket.com/albums/m215/ag-no3phile/Mechanical%20pegs/?actio n=view¤t=LuteReamingHoles.jpg Charles -Original Message- From: Anthony Hind [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 September 2007 17:07 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Net Subject: [LUTE] Test format Pegs I don't know whether these photos can be viewed. I am just sending this having changed one setting on my mail programme to see if it makes any difference. Making the holes http://s105.photobucket.com/albums/m215/ag-no3phile/Mechanical% 20pegs/?action=view¤t=LuteReamingHoles.jpg Completed pegs http://s105.photobucket.com/albums/m215/ag-no3phile/Mechanical% 20pegs/?action=view¤t=LutePeghedComplete.jpg Regards Anthony To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Looking for new tuner + computers
there is no? doubt that the pick-up is also very important when selecting a tuner. I have used the Schaller 'Oyster' for some time with various tuners , inclusing the Korg OT12 and the Peterson VSAM II. I use a bit of 'whitetack' to fix the pick-up to the body of the lute and this does not seem to damage the surface. The response is better IMHO than any of the other pick-ups. The 'Oyster' is a "Chrome-encased piezo soundboard transducer with Ultra-high impedance. -Original Message- From: LGS-Europe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 October 2007 12:56 To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Looking for new tuner + computers > The nice thing about the Korg Orchestral the custom response > curve--it works well on lute in "medium" setting and you can tune > even in a wind tunnel with the clip mic. . > As far as accuracy goes, the response curve is much more important > than the accuracy rating. This makes the current model more accurate > than the MT1200, which had a smaller drift. The Korg has 3 response > curves. Good point. The MT-1200 does not always respond to the very low notes (not even with clip). Although, when you specify the octave it does get a lot better. I tend to use it mostly giving me notes. Better anyway, as our ears will always be the ultimate test for in-tuneness. My on-stage-while-the-orchestra-is-playing-tuner is the Korg AW-1. It's the size of a clip and can stay clipped on the lute, or out of sight on the music stand if you prefer to look 'authentic'. No risk of fly fishing scenes like with the clip-on mics with line to tuner. Cool machine: piezo as well as built-in mic. 410 to 480Hz. Only ET (it looks like ET), but it has a mark where the pure major third is. David David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Looking for new tuner + computers
I prefer the VSAM at home because the strobe is very clear for tuning. It also has a very loud sound if you want to tune by ear. I keep on dropping the smaller tuners and the rubber boot on the VSAM certainly protects the tuner. I am not so sure about my toes though . The main difficulty about the VSAM is size and weight so it doesnt go in the instrument case easily. The Korg OT12 is very handy. The case is not resistant to my charms and the screen is getting very difficult to read following several disasters. As peg technology improves and geared lute pegs make their appearance perhaps we will have auto-tuning pegs containing nano-motors and wireless receivers that respond to reference signals sent out with the time signals.! Ah well, back to te meter again Charles -Original Message- From: Ed Durbrow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 October 2007 21:58 To: Charles Browne; LuteNet list Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Looking for new tuner + computers Which tuner did you prefer? On Oct 15, 2007, at 11:00 PM, Charles Browne wrote: I have used the Schaller 'Oyster' for some time with various tuners , inclusing the Korg OT12 and the Peterson VSAM II. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Lute book lullaby for SATB
does anyone have a Fronimo/Django file of the Lute-book lullaby for SATB? I would be very grateful for a copy! thanks Charles browne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute book lullaby for SATB
Dear Daniel, yes, I am interested in the Geoffrey Shaw arrangement which is slightly different to the version that I have. It will probably extend my skill at intabulation to the limit if I tried this version -hence the query! best wishes Charles -Original Message- From: Daniel F Heiman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 October 2007 03:44 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute book lullaby for SATB Rainer: I know of at least two pieces that have been called "Lute-Book Lullaby." Both are found in the Willam Ballet Lute Book (Dublin, Trinity College BM, Add. 17786-91). One is for 5 voices or viols. The other has been arranged for 4 voices by Geoffrey Shaw and published as number 30 in "The Oxford Book of Carols" OUP, London, copyright 1928 and 1964. It is reproduced as number 34 in "Carols for Choirs" ed. R Jacques & David Willcocks, OUP, London, copyright 1961. I assume the latter is the one of interest here. Daniel Heiman On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:29:19 +0100 "Spring, aus dem, Rainer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What is "the Lute-book lullaby" ? > > > Best wishes, > > Rainer aus dem Spring > IS department, development > > Tel.:+49 211-5296-355 > Fax.:+49 211-5296-405 > SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -Original Message- > From: Charles Browne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 7:20 PM > To: Lutelist > Subject: [LUTE] Lute book lullaby for SATB > > does anyone have a Fronimo/Django file of the Lute-book lullaby for > SATB? I would be very grateful for a copy! > thanks > Charles browne > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > CONFIDENTIALITY DISCLAIMER > *** > The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential > and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, > please destroy this message, delete any copies held on your systems > and notify the sender immediately. You should not retain, copy or > use this email for any purpose outside of any NDA currently existing > between Toshiba Electronics Europe GmbH and yourselves. > > Toshiba Electronics Europe GmbH > Hansaallee 181- 40549 Düsseldorf > Handelsregister Düsseldorf HRB 22487 > Geschäftsführer: Ryoichi Shikama > Amtsgericht Düsseldorf > > > >
[LUTE] Re: Persephone
Serge Gerbode site has all the Campion songs www.gerbode.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 November 2007 00:53 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Persephone Sean wrote: >How about > >Harke all you ladies that do sleep >The fairy queen Proserpina bids you awake >and pite them that weep, >You may do in the dark what the day doth forbid, >Fear not the dogs that bark; >night will have all hid. > >#19 in the Rosseter/Campion book, 1601 Thank you Sean. Is there a current publication of this book? Or a facsimile? Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Ok guys...need your help (again...)
in the absence of Sage Gerbode's site, try Richard Civiol's Luth-Librairie. http://luthlibrairie.free.fr/?Renaissance:Fran%26ccedil%3Baise there are 17 songs fron the First book of Ayres online in PDF Charles -Original Message- From: Omer katzir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 November 2007 17:59 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Ok guys...need your help (again...) I cant find any of campions song's with tabs, i can buy them, but it's a problem for me to read facsimile (i cant see that good... unless it's really good quality) so what i need is a good website with the songs+tabs, or good source for ordering them, if it facsimile, so it must be high quality. I need to four books, with tabs for lute (really...), website will be much better becuase i have no money in my lute case :-( after that, I'll go on to dowland... Thank you all good night and may the great cat bless your lute To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re:
the Spanish Guitar Centre in London used to sell a packet of three grades of fine emery paper.They are french called TLP . I have just found an old packet and on he back it says"TLP distribution DIAM 78360 Montesson" I am sure there are many similar packets. I hope that helps /charles -Original Message- From: H.L. Pakker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 November 2007 13:58 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Hi, A lot of you will know John Sutherland's nail polish set, existing of a piece of rubber and three pieces of polishing paper (grades 2400, 4000,12000). I am looking for a replacement of the polishing papers, since they are quite expensive (i.e that counts for me). Suggestions are welcome. HP -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re:
further my earlier reply, the Spanish Guitar Centre in nottingham sells by mail order and has packets of polishing paper for £4.50 (approx 6) Here is the email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charles -Original Message- From: H.L. Pakker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 November 2007 16:33 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Edward Martin Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: I believe he is a classical guitarist. Look at http://www.guitarrabuena.nl/webwinkel_product/771 for a (Dutch) desctiption. (it is a real good system - my opinion - but I don't want to pay every time euro 17,95) Henk - Original Message - From: "Edward Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "H.L. Pakker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] >I have never heard of John Sutherland's nail polish set. Is he a lutenist? > > Although my nails are very short, I still make them smooth by using a > diamond file for my right hand, and if I want more smoothness, I will use > standard 600 wet or dry sandpaper. > > ed > > > > > > At 02:58 PM 11/11/2007 +0100, H.L. Pakker wrote: >>Hi, >> >>A lot of you will know John Sutherland's nail polish set, existing of a >>piece of rubber and three pieces of polishing paper (grades 2400, >>4000,12000). I am looking for a replacement of the polishing papers, since >>they are quite expensive (i.e that counts for me). Suggestions are >>welcome. >> >>HP >>-- >> >>To get on or off this list see list information at >>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.28/1123 - Release Date: >>11/10/2007 3:47 PM > > > > Edward Martin > 2817 East 2nd Street > Duluth, Minnesota 55812 > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > voice: (218) 728-1202 > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: > 269.15.28/1123 - Release Date: 10-11-2007 15:47 > >
[LUTE] Re: Is it true?
A lot of lute music is written for 6c lutes so after tuning down the 3rd guitar string to F# you have the same relative tuning as a 'g' lute albeit lower by a third. There is a very large corpus of 6c lute music. If you want to play later lute music on a 6 stringed instrument there are problems of arrangement and/or transcription that might make playing more difficult on an instrument with fewer strings. Quite often the lower courses on a 10/11 course lute are played 'open' and do not always require fingering. If you re-arrange those bass notes in a higher register your fingers will be very busy. There are many guitarists who have learned to play from tablature by first playing on a re-tuned guitarand if you just want to play occasional renaissance lute music that is a very good way to do it. Be careful! you might get hooked!! best wishes Charles -Original Message- From: Joshua E. Horn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 November 2007 05:38 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Is it true? Is it true that most lute music can be played on guitar if you retune the g string? -- Joshua E. Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - One of many happy users: http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/quotes.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: FoMRHI - copyright and a rebirth?
if the image is on another site, presumably it is there to be viewed ,if not downloaded? The first person to ask would be the webmaster(s) of the relevant sites. They may be delighted to have further links to their site(s) and may have already ensured that any copyright protection is embedded in the image so that any copy would be useless commercially. It is an interestig question to pursue further. regards /charles -Original Message- From: Anthony Hind [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 November 2007 19:20 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Net Subject: [LUTE] Re: FoMRHI - copyright and a rebirth? Howard, or any one else I was just wondering what the legal situation is about putting a link to a Jpeg, of a painting including a lute, when the photo on the site has a copyright symbol on it. Can linking your explanation to a photo that is "copyrighted" infringe the photographer's rights, or the persons running the site's rights? Is this different from actually including that JPeg in your message? Are both "acts" legally acceptable, in fact? I assume that paintings are not like written texts that lose their copyright after a fixed time (at least the content of the text). I suppose the owner of a painting has rights beyond any fixed time. Indeed, I suppose that is true for the manuscript, rather than for its written content. Thus we can quote Burwell, for example, but possibly not put in a photograph of part of the actual manuscript. In the case of a painting, I suppose there just cannot be that differnciation between content and the the actual painting. Does any one know about this? My question might seem a little bizarre, but how about a link to the engraving of Jacques Gaultier that belongs to the RA. They sell copies of this, and so might be nervous of such a link, at the same time, they could also be happy for an advertisement, through the link, but that does not relate to the legal issue. Perhaps, I should not ask the question, as may be it would be best for the issue to be left in the dark? Regards Anthony Le 20 nov. 07 à 16:30, howard posner a écrit : > On Nov 20, 2007, at 2:24 AM, Stuart Walsh wrote: > >> Martyn Hodgson wrote: >>>Following recent communications which mentioned FoMRHI, I >>> contacted Eph Segerman and include the relevant part of his reply >>> below. >>> In short, anything in FoMRHI not specifcally restricted as >>> detailed below seems to be able to be freely reproduced and >>> circulated. >>> MH >>> >>> Ephraim Segerman wrote: >>> Subject: Re: Fwd: FoMRHI >>> From: Ephraim Segerman >>> To: Martyn Hodgson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 00:36:22 + >>> >>> >>> All one needs to copyright something that is written is to print the >>> symbol of a C inside a circle. A few contributors to FoMRHI have >>> retained their copyright by doing this, but the vast majority have >>> not. >>> FoMRHI has never claimed copyright on anything it published. So, >>> except >>> for the few copyrighted Comms, all FoMRHI stuff can be duplicated >>> and >>> circulated. >>> >>> There is now a movement to revive FoMRHI, which involves action by >>> the >>> Fellows. Yours, >>> >>> Eph >>> >>> >>> >> I'm note sure Eph is right here. >> >> See: >> >> http://www.ipo.gov.uk/protect/protect-should/protect-should-copy.htm >> >> As I understand it, copyright (in UK) is yours just if you've >> written (or created) something original. Putting a C inside a >> circle just makes things a bit clearer - but still, if you've >> written something original, you have copyright (in UK anyway). > > Also pretty much the case in the US; an original work is > automatically copyrighted until some years (I think it's now 75) > after the author's death. What Eph wrote would have been half right > 30 years ago in the States, I think it qualifies as misinformation > throughout Europe. > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] standing position for playing
Dear All, I was fascinated to watch Andrew Maginley at the recent Lute Society meeting as he played the baroque lute while standing. I have been trying this over the last two weeks with an archlute and a swanneck baroque lute and it is quite an interesting experience. I have found it much easier than I thought although the low ceiling in our cottage now has pockmarks all over! The archlute is easier to hold than the baroque lute due, in part, to the relative shallowness of the archlute bowl. The lute strap has a short 'tail' on which I usually sit and I tuck this end through a belt-loop on my trousers. The physical balance is easier to maintain and I do not feel so stiff after playing, presumably because I am standing upright and can move a little. Could these callisthenics be regarded as 'Playing a short exercise"? No, perhaps not! I wondered whether there are others who have converted from the sitting position and who observations about their own experiences? best wishes Charles To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lauffensteiner
They were available on the Fronimo site. Both ensemble and solo works.I haven't checked recently but I think? they were intabulations by Doug Towne? There is,or was, an Edition of Academische Druck- u.Verlagsanstalt under the series title Musik Alter Meister (1975 - General Editor Hans Radke) and Vol 30 contained two preludes and five suites of Lauffensteiner. best wishes Charles -Original Message- From: David Rastall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 December 2007 04:22 To: Lute List Subject: [LUTE] Lauffensteiner Dear Wisdom, I've been looking for an edition of the works of Wolff Jacob Lauffensteiner, but without success. I know an edition exists out there somewhere, because I used to have a copy, but somehow mislaid it. Does anyone know where that edition exists, or how I can find his music? I'm not looking for a freebie (except of course if one is available...). ;-) David R [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Diagram of tendons.
there is a sheath of connective tissue that covers the back of the hand and into the back of the fingers which limits independent flexion of the fingers, mainly the Ring and Little fingers (4th and 5th) at the first metacarpo-phalangeal joint or 'knuckle'I tried to find a diagram online but failed ! Charles -Original Message- From: Herbert Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 December 2007 17:36 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Diagram of tendons. Sometimes I hear that the ring finger shares tendons with its neighbors, so that no level of technique can achieve perfect indepdence of fingers. I've never seen a good diagram showing exactly how this works. For example, I don't know whether the sharing occurs for the flexor tendons, the extensor tendons, both, or neither. Indeed, there must be more than two tendons per finger, because the fingers can move sideways also. I spent about 15 minutes Googling the subject, but the drawings were not useful, because they did not resolve the spaghetti-like nature of the overall mechanism (tendons, sheaths, pulleys, hoods, joints, etc). Does anyone know of a schematic-type drawing, which shows the mechanical relationships clearly, at the expense of realistic pictorial depiction? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Aimez-vous harpsichord musique?
A beautiful piece, beautifully played. Is the transcription available? Charles -Original Message- From: Daniel Shoskes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 January 2008 16:24 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Aimez-vous harpsichord musique? My "homage" to Claire Antonini's transcription of a sarabande by de Chambonnieres. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoZcVSQHQoA -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Etymology
Ian Harwood (The Lute Vol 37 -1997) argued that only those who compose for the lute can call themselves lutenists and if you only play the instrment you are a lute-player. Charles -Original Message- From: Rob MacKillop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 March 2008 12:56 To: G. Crona Cc: Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Etymology And Lutar is Scots... Rob On 04/03/2008, G. Crona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I small question. > > To describe a person playing the lute, I've come across: > > Lutenist > Lutist > Lutanist > Lute-player > > Which is (are) the correct one (s)? All of them? > > G. > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > --
[LUTE] Re: Etymology
It is worth reading his article. -Original Message- From: Andrew Gibbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 March 2008 13:26 To: Charles Browne Cc: Lute Net Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Etymology I haven't heard that distinction applied to any other musical instrument... Andrew On 4 Mar 2008, at 13:08, Charles Browne wrote: > Ian Harwood (The Lute Vol 37 -1997) argued that only those who > compose for > the lute can call themselves lutenists and if you only play the > instrment > you are a lute-player. > Charles To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Whew what a corker
What about the scarifier-lute? here is a sample: http://www.collinscompany.com/mall/ClayCourts.asp -Original Message- From: Ron Fletcher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 March 2008 12:58 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Whew what a corker Caulking is the process of wedging old rope fibres (oakum), and tar between the planking of old sailing ships. I have not heard the name luter applied to the dockyard worker who does this. My maritime dictionary does have Lute heads...in trawler fishing! The iron frames at each end of the trawl beam on which the entire net is dragged along the bottom The planking of a (carvel-built) ship is similar to the construction of a lute bowl, so maybe the term luter has been used at some time. What a resource of information? - and not too far off topic! Ron (UK) -Original Message- From: David Tayler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 5:58 AM To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Etymology In the 50s, 60s and 70s lutanist was common, now lutenist is more common; they are both correct as far as both modern and historical use. I don't usually hyphenate lute player, except as an attributive (lute-player leftovers, etc) but that is taste. Anyway it can't be luteplayer, except in email. W00t! Lute player is slightly less formal. Lutist is used less often, but more than luter. Luter also means someone who applies caulk or sealant, (possibly related to gluing?) The internal extra syllable may form the cosy diminutive, as in Ach Elslein, liebes Elselein, but that is speculation. Also, there is the classy but archaic nominative attributive, lute As in the King's luttes Or the Queen's luttes The terms are traditionally context dependent A program might read on the front page Max Planck, lute yet in the Bio read Lutanist Max Planck began as an unpaid private lecturer in Munich. An apposite epithet is also used Max Planck, lute, enjoyed many evenings of fine music at the home of Helmholtz. Of course Max really played the keyboard & cello, presumably with gut strings. The term lute has often and widely been misrepresented as meaning wood. The mediaeval Arabic means "twig" or "bent stick" and this could refer to the plectrum, similar to the way the terms percussion refers to the way the instrument is played, or fiddler refers to the action of playing. It could refer as well to the bending of the wood, as luter later refers to the process of gluing. dt At 03:43 AM 3/4/2008, you wrote: >I small question. > >To describe a person playing the lute, I've come across: > >Lutenist >Lutist >Lutanist >Lute-player > >Which is (are) the correct one (s)? All of them? > >G. > > > >To get on or off this list see list information at >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Hurel download
Dear Stewart, the URL of the Thomas Robinson pdf was truncated and will not get the right page. Try: http://amphionconsort.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/theschoolofmus icke.pdf Charles -Original Message- From: Stewart McCoy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 March 2008 18:56 To: Lute Net Subject: [LUTE] Hurel download In looking for Hurel, I stumbled across a complete facsimile of Thomas Robinson at http://amphionconsort.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/theschoole ofmusicke.pdf Stewart McCoy. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute Performance on DVD
Dear Neil, have you looked at youtube at all? Admittedly, the picture quality is not that brilliant but there are quite a few lute videos to be seen. Also, isn't Martin Eastwell performing at York fairly soon? and, I think Philip Macleod Coupe is giving a lecture-recital at Higham Hall in July and ,of course, the Lute Society weekend takes place in September at Whitby. I accept that Higham Hall is actually in Cumbria and I suspcct that Whitby is East Yorks. but you get the idea! regards Charles -Original Message- From: Narada [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 May 2008 19:47 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Lute Performance on DVD Greetings all, Can anyone point me in the right direction of sources for purchasing Lute performances on DVD ( region 2 ). Amazon seem bereft of such things and it would be nice to see a lute played rather than just hearing it. Live Lute concerts are very rare here in West Yorkshire. The last one was at Leeds Uni just over 12 months ago and it didn't last very long. Regards Neil -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: two intabulations
Dear Manolo, according to Dick Hoban's "The Art of the Lute in renaissance Italy" the first is an intabulation of a vocal piece by da Crema 1546(Vol 3: Intabulations) and the second is by da Crema (Vol 2:Dances) as well. best wishes Charles -Original Message- From: Manolo Laguillo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 May 2008 22:31 To: Lute Net Subject: [LUTE] two intabulations Dear lutelisters, I have the photocopies of two pieces in italian tabulature, both facsmiles, same aspect: Et don bon soir (this is a chanson) Sal ditto el Giorgio (this is a... saltarello, obviously) but no idea about where they come from (book, intabulator...) Can somebody help me? Thank you very much! Saludos from Barcelona, Manolo Laguillo -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] "Jerusalem"
Dear All,
has anyone a version of "Jerusalem" that is playable on a lute/archlute?
thanks
Charles
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[LUTE] Re: Fine Knacks for Ladies Fronimo Tab?
try http://www.gerbode.net/ -Original Message- From: Daniel Stachowiak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 May 2008 09:41 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Fine Knacks for Ladies Fronimo Tab? Hello Everybody, Does anyone happen to have Dowland's Fine Knacks for Ladies in Fronimo Tab? I need to accompany a countertenor and the original Key in F is to high for him. If I can get a fronimo tab of it I could easily automatically transpose it a tone or two lower. Thanks, Daniel. _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: The London Manuscript
Neil, It has been intabulated by Daniel Forget in Django and pdf format This is the site http://pagesperso-orange.fr/jdf.luth/ . It is something like 320 pages of tablature Charles -Original Message- From: Narada [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 June 2008 19:39 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] The London Manuscript Greetings, I've just listened to vol 3 of this work, amazing stuff. Is any of it available as Fronimo files? Regards N -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: PDFprinting problems.
Dear All,
I downloaded some PDF files of The Weiss London Ms which I wanted to get
printed professionally. I checked each file (68) using both Acrobat and
pdf995Edit and gsview. They were fine. I then amalgamated then into four
PDFs checked again and sent them by email to the printers. The output was
wrong with a number of pages and I can only assume that fonts were being
substituted as the tablature lines were correct but the tablature glyphs had
been replaced by punctuation marks. The printer's computer screen showed the
files correctly. The manager said that this had never happened before and
they print off thousands of PDFs. I cannot explain it . Document info shows
that the Django fonts are embedded. I have printed these files before and
were it not for the 'fiddle' of binding them I would do it again. Can
anybody ell me what the problem is?
Thanks
Charles
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[LUTE] Re: PDFprinting problems.
I have no idea what software the printers use suffice to ay they are a
commercial outfit and certainly the screen output looked completely normal.
The PDFs were not compressed but were amalgamated using PDF995 suite.I could
understand it better if all the printed output was corrupt but many pages
were normal, I doubt whether the firm will want to talk to me again!
CH
-Original Message-
From: David Tayler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 July 2008 10:22
To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: PDFprinting problems.
What software?
Are you using "press" output in the settings?
Backwards compatibility turned on?
Compression turned off for fonts and graphics?
dt
At 12:07 PM 6/30/2008, you wrote:
>Dear All,
>I downloaded some PDF files of The Weiss London Ms which I wanted to get
>printed professionally. I checked each file (68) using both Acrobat and
>pdf995Edit and gsview. They were fine. I then amalgamated then into four
>PDFs checked again and sent them by email to the printers. The output was
>wrong with a number of pages and I can only assume that fonts were being
>substituted as the tablature lines were correct but the tablature glyphs
had
>been replaced by punctuation marks. The printer's computer screen showed
the
>files correctly. The manager said that this had never happened before and
>they print off thousands of PDFs. I cannot explain it . Document info shows
>that the Django fonts are embedded. I have printed these files before and
>were it not for the 'fiddle' of binding them I would do it again. Can
>anybody ell me what the problem is?
>Thanks
>Charles
>
>it's a long winding road without a map and compass. {MRY6STVMNzY9Gl7wis}
>
>
>
>
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[LUTE] Re: wound strings in 120 CM length
if you look on The Lute Society site there is a page on stringing that has the URLs of the usual string makers. http://www.lutesoc.co.uk/lutestringing.htm -Original Message- From: Bruno Fournier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 July 2008 16:23 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] wound strings in 120 CM length Can anyone give me the address of Pyramid and any other string supplier that would have strings in lengths of 120 cm or more. I have just finished modifying one of my old lutes into a small theorbized lute (tiorbino) but not small enough to accept my standard wound strings. thx -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Luthiste, etc Estavel Ensemble de musique ancienne www.estavel.org -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: more general scams
The number of scam/spam emails is increasing everyday. I get about 250 - 300 spam emails/day in my webmail filter and about half are some form of 'phishing'. There is also the ecard email. A message arrives by email to say that someone has sent you an electronic Card and invites you to reply. Don't! - it may be either 'phishing' or it may be a Trojan. I also run a website for our church benefice and we recently received an email from The Ivory Coast? purporting to be from a recently widowed lady whose husband had left 2.5 M USD and who wanted to donate it to a charity but we had to reply quickly otherwise the money would be offered elsewhere. The money resides in a bank in Africa. We suppose it to be a scam as we have no safe way of finding out. Most of these scams rely on the recipients making snap decisions because the 'offer' is too good to miss. A moment's reflection will usually be enough to convince you otherwise! Charles -Original Message- From: gary digman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 August 2008 08:19 To: lutelist Subject: [LUTE] Re: more general scams I have not received the UPS thing, but I get emails which are phishing attempts by individuals purporting to be PayPal. I have forwarded these emails to PayPal and they have confirmed that the emails are indeed attempts at phishing. Do not exhange personal information on the internet unless you now whose on the other end, and, even then, be very, very careful. Anthony, I would suggest that you go to a public computer (library, university, etc) to open the email. If it's a scam, you will know very soon and your personal computer will be safe from any viruses. Gary - Original Message - From: "Anthony Hind" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Guy Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lute List" Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 9:16 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: more general scams > This is not the same issue, but like many of you, no doubt, I have > received several offers to share with a Nigerian banker the profits of a > person who has just died intestate. > Of course I didn't fall for that. However, a week ago I received a > message purporting to be from UPS about an undelivered parcel, and there > is an attachment to click on, > and I am told this includes a form for details I need to fill-in to be > able to receive this parcel. > Now this time, I very nearly clicked on the attachment, thinking perhaps > some lute strings, I had forgotten I had ordered, had just arrived. > However, something about it made me hesitate, I may be wrong and it may > be valid, but I think it is a clever new scam to get personal details, or > to spread a virus. > Have any of you received a similar message purporting to be from UPS. > Anthony > > > Le 12 août 08 à 17:38, Guy Smith a écrit : > >> If you are selling an instrument over the internet, watch out for the >> "Nigerian scam" (they'll offer to send you considerably more than the >> purchase price and you are to send the extra back...). I got one of >> these in >> response to an ad for a tandem bicycle that I'm trying to sell, and I >> advertised only on a private mailing list. I've heard of several other >> similar incidents with tandems, and I imagine they could target lutes as >> well. >> >> Guy >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Wayne Cripps [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:26 AM >> To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu >> Subject: [LUTE] baroque guitar scam >> >> >> >> Hi folks - >> >> You probably know that I run a "lutes for sale" web page. at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/forsale.html . I just got >> the first "for sale" scam - at least it seems like a scam to me.. >> >> I am Brad Baker.I came accross your wanted advert and email address on >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/forsale.html#wanted I would like >> to inform you that i have 5 course baroque guitar For Sale @ 1,400 >> Euro(Give Away Price)including shipping to your front door in Finland >> via Courier express delivery.The price of this lutes are more than >> 2,500 euro.You can't get it this price(1,400 euro)anywhere.Hurry up >> now,this is give away price.Buy one and get one free Nokia mobile >> phone. >> >> >> Maybe I am wrong... maybe many respected luthiers are now supplying >> free cell phones with their usual merchandise.. but I would suggest >> that you be careful with any internet transactions with strangers. >> >> You can see the instruments at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/ >> lute/Baker/ >> There seem to be two different pairs of guitars and a fifth by itself. >> Maybe one of them is yours! >> >> Wayne >> >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> > > > > > Internal Virus Database is out of date. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: > 270.5.12/1599 - Release Date: 8/7/2008 8:49 PM > > >
[LUTE] Re: Wound strings equivalent
Bruno Fournier wrote: >Does anyone know the equivalent of the following woundPyramid strings >but in SAVAREZ instead? > >1007 >1008 >1009 >1011 >1015 >1021 >1023 >1025 >1027 > >I have ordered these strings from Pyramid, but they have not replied to >me. Anyways, I've always preferred SAVAREZ...but I just don't know what >the equivalent sizes would .. I'm thinking of either the copper wound >silk or the copperwound gut ( which I've always really enjoyed) > >thx > >Bruno > >-- >Bruno Cognyl-Fournier >Luthiste, etc >Estavel >Ensemble de musique ancienne >[1]www.estavel.org > >-- > > References > >1. http://www.estavel.org/ > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > try this conversion chart which appeared some time ago Charles --
[LUTE] Re: Reusner and archlute/theorbo
G. Crona wrote: - Original Message - From: "Jerzy Zak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Realy, highly recommended book, in many respects. I only cannot understand why from a list of topics, ranging from the earliest lute manuscripts to the 19th C. classical guitar, the German lute, including Weiss, his predecessors and the 18th C. followers was entirely untouched. A very puzling question to me, but perhaps symptomatic of that selective tendency. J There is of course always the problem with size. You can't cover everything. This has been the criticizm to all of the recent lute publications. "History of the lute" for not including the Baroque. "Lute in England" for not including Scotland. They probably felt the German Lute was too broad a subject, and deserved its own in-depth work. G. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html I thought there was some mention of the lute in Scotland in Matthew Spring's book! You have to bear in mind that the book arose out of a dissertation and was therefore circumscribed by the academic hierachy Charles
[LUTE] help wanted for correct pronounciation of "Det hev ei rose sprunge"
I am trying to get the correct norwegian pronounciation of this carol
before Monday. I would be grateful if some kind Norwegian with a recorder
could possibly send me a sound file, off list, of the spoken text of the
following:
Det hev ei rose sprunge,
ut av ei rot så grann
det hev ei rose sprunge,
ut av ei rot så grann,
fedrane hev sunge,
Av Isais rot ho rann,
og var ein blome
blid mit i den kalde vinter
ved mørke midnattstid
ved mørke midnattstid.
Om denna rosa eine,
er sagt Jesajas ord,
om denne rosa eine,
er sagt Jesajas ord,
Maria møy, den reine,
bar rosa til vår jord;
Og Herrens miskunns makt
det store under gjorde,
som var i spådom sagt.
with grateful thanks
Charles
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[LUTE] Re: New piece of the month
Martin Shepherd wrote: Dear All, As part of my continuing effort to catch up, here is the latest offering: www.luteshop.co.uk/month/pieceofthemonth.htm Those interested in technical matters might like to know that I'm using gut basses, a double top string, and I'm trying to play thumb-out and near the bridge. It's work in progress All comments welcome. Best wishes, Martin To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Dear Martin, they are beautifully played! The instrument sounds very good with the gut basses and the basses do not overpower the trebles but still maintain a distinct presence. I look forward to your next piece of the month! best wishes Charles
[LUTE] Re: le Tocsein de Gautier
damian dlugolecki wrote: G. Crona was kind enough to send a .jpg of the piece. At the moment this is only a guess, but I believe the 'tocsin' of Mouton and that of D. Gautier have something to do with disease. The word 'toxin' only come into the English language during the 19th century. My OED defines it originally as "A specific poison...produced by a microbe which causes a particular disease.' By this perhaps we can infer that this was closer to the original French meaning than to our current understanding of the word 'toxin' as some kinde of poison. There were many diseases like typhus, smallpox, cholera etc. that wiped out large numbers of people. I need to find a French dictionary like my OED. My Larousse does not have historical meanings or etymologies. In any case, the pieces by Gautier and Mouton are very similar, and it seems to me that the Mouton piece is transposition to f#m of D. Gautier's piece in e minor. The repeated low 'B' has a funerary feeling to me anyway and it appears throughout Mouton's piece as a low C#. But even though it is possible these 'tocsins' were about disease, they are gigues and should be played at faster tempos. Played in the salons of Paris during recurrences of 'la Peste' they were perhaps demonstrations of musical 'black humor.' Damian The Livre de Tablature p.86-87 Goëss Théorbe 170-171 Are there general rules of performance for a French gigue in even metre like this one? I heard recordings of gigues by Froberger for the harpsichord (can't remember the performer) which were played extremely inegale, as though inegality was the major trait of gigues. Does the title (euqivalent to tocsin in modern French and English, I assume) indicate fast tempo? -- Mathias To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Tocsin is an alarm sounded by a bell f rom the Old French touquesain charles
[LUTE] Re: Good 2009
Orphenica wrote: To all crisis ridden vocal, flute and string players in the world, May you all (except Igor) master the coming year like he is doing in this video. With creativity, talent and not least, humor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAg5KjnAhuU Pling we Ron Andrico schrieb: To All: In the spirit of the holidays, and because we were snowbound for a few days last week, we have added a few videos to our youtube page. The videos were an experiment with no enhancements, and some are from a live concert in honor of St. Lucy's Day, and the rest from our snowy home. Happy holidays to all. http://www.youtube.com/user/lutesongs Ron Andrico & Donna Stewart www.mignarda.com __ Its the same Hotmail(R). If by same you mean up to 70% faster. [1]Get your account now. -- References 1. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_122008 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html it might have been better with gut stringing!
[LUTE] Re: Bach & Telemann
Ron Fletcher wrote: On Jan 24, 2009, at 4:42 PM, David Tayler wrote: ...and the leather shoes that some insist on wearing, sigh. Why do so many people wear trainers? - Training for what? I do not own any trainers, - probably because I rarely wear jeans. Trainers go with nothing else, -unless you live in sportswear all day! I have no hang-ups about wearing leather shoes. They give a less slovenly appearance. If there were fewer omnivores, there would no doubt be less leather to go round. But until that day...Bach in Brogues! (Telemann in trainers?) Best Wishes Ron (UK) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html I thought that too, until I washed our paths with concentrated hypochlorite solution to kill the moss. The effect on my highly polished leather brogues was disastrous and my trousers were ruined! It's jeans and wellingtons from now on! Charles: Somewhere in the Valley of the Three Waters
[LUTE] Re: Sarge Gerbode web site
www.gerbode.net ps. your new CD is excellent! - Original Message - From: "Edward Martin" To: Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 11:32 PM Subject: [LUTE] Sarge Gerbode web site I have lost the link to Sarge Gerbode's web site of Fronimo files. Can someone please provide me the link? Thank you. ed Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: e...@gamutstrings.com voice: (218) 728-1202 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: meantone fret position measurements
Stuart Walsh wrote: David van Ooijen wrote: On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Stuart Walsh wrote: Did someone once put up a calculator which which worked out fret positions, in meantone, for a given string length? Stuart It's not exactly a calculator, but it has a table with numbers to multiply string length with. http://home.planet.nl/~ooije006/david/writings/meantone_f.html David Thanks. That is just what I wanted. I thought there might be some intractable mathematical equations involved. I'm trying to calculate meantone fretting for an instrument of 43cms and even I can multiply by 43! Thanks again. Stuart No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1938 - Release Date: 02/06/09 11:31:00 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html There is a fret placement spreadsheet on the LSA website that will provide you with all the information without re-calculation. It will give fret positions for a number of temperaments/and string lengths it is worth looking at! Charles
[LUTE] Re: meantone fret position measurements
Stuart Walsh wrote: Charles Browne wrote: There is a fret placement spreadsheet on the LSA website that will provide you with all the information without re-calculation. It will give fret positions for a number of temperaments/and string lengths it is worth looking at! Charles Thanks. Found it and punched in the string length. Even easier than multiplying by 43. But - so much choice. Any advice on a temperament for second half of fifteenth century? Stuart No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1939 - Release Date: 02/06/09 17:28:00 glad you found it! I wouldn't dare comment on temperament but I am sure that one of the experts can tell us? charles To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Transposed Dowland songs - ruminations on lute sizes around 1600
Sean Smith wrote: History marches ever onward, Martyn. While I don't expect her to start a movement to change local standard pitch I see no reason not set G or A at whatever necessary to ensure the success of her concert. Loosening the tyranny of a standard pitch is well within our rights of historical practice. If I wrongly used your message as a springboard to state this then please accept my apologies for any ruffling of a plectrum feather. Sean On Feb 14, 2009, at 4:23 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: Oh dear! - I took it as read that the reference to local pitch and national preferences did not require the pedantic adjective 'historic' as in "historic local pitch.". MH --- On Sat, 14/2/09, Sean Smith wrote: From: Sean Smith Subject: [LUTE] Re: Transposed Dowland songs - ruminations on lute sizes around 1600 To: "Lute Net" Date: Saturday, 14 February, 2009, 10:33 AM Clearly all this is subject to considerations of local pitch standards and national preferences... There you go. Proclaim A to be 392 (or 377) for the south eastern seaboard of the US and treat yourself to the nice new larger lute you so royally deserve. The Pavins sound lovely down a bit. Alternately you can put a few thicker strings on your current ax and get a new sound out of it. Sean To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- it's just (not) cricket!!
[LUTE] restringing a double course with a single string
Dear All, what advice about string tension would you give,in general terms, to someone who wanted to replace a double course with a single string? A: for a course in unison - B: for a course in bass/octave tuning? thank you Charles To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] [lute]:restringing a double course with a single string
Dear All, what advice about string tension would you give,in general terms, to someone who wanted to replace a double course with a single string? A: for a course in unison - B: for a course in bass/octave tuning? thank you Charles To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: two translation questions
howard posner wrote: On Mar 16, 2009, at 4:58 AM, David van Ooijen wrote: 'Te hee hee' is a giggle (perhaps slightly suppressed if it happens where laughing is appropriate) Like ho ho ho/LOL/LOLFTOL, or is there more to it? Ho ho ho is a full-bodied laugh, or "belly laugh." Associated with large, jolly persons like Saint Nicholas and the Jolly Green Giant. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxW1AZ_klVQ -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Read Chaucer's The Miller's Tale" 'Tehee' quod she and yclapt the wyndow to"
[LUTE] Re: Advise needed about LUTE TUTOR for children
Anton Birula wrote: Dear List, My wife Anna and me are starting to encounter our little daughter Alisa with the lute. We got a great 7 course treble lute by Martin de Witte and it would be good to have some kind of book meant for children. Does anybody maybe know anything like this? Of course we can teach her somehow, but this kind of method is always very helpful. We will be thankful for any information. Sincerely , Anton & Anna To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Dear Anton Stefan Lundgren produced two volumes called "Kinderspiel" a few years ago. There is a picture of a 5 year-old playing a lute in the preface. They might be what you are looking for. kind regards Charles
[LUTE] [Lute] playing the lute during a Communion Service
I have been asked to play my lute during part of the Communion Service as the congregation come to the Altar to receive The Eucharist. I am a bit dubious about this as I fear it might detract from the service, apart from any tuning difficulties. I would be grateful for any comments and advice thanks Charles To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute] playing the lute during a Communion Service
many thanks to all who answered my queries about playing the lute during Communion. We had a service for all four parishes this morning but as the weather fine and the clocks had just 'gone forward' to summer - time we didn't have a big congregation! I prepared some d'Aquila and Milano but,in the end, I played a prelude by Mertel and two duos by Valderrabano which seemed to fit the occasion. I wasn't sure how my 8c would cope with a cold church but tuning remained within 5 cents of the initial tuning through out. All in all , it was a very worthwhile experience! many thanks Charles To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute] playing the lute during a Communion Service
Edward Martin wrote: I have done this countless times, and it works out fine. As David suggested,. Vallet is a great choice. If you are playing a renaissance lute, I suggest fantasias by almost anyone. ed At 09:09 AM 3/23/2009 +, Charles Browne wrote: I have been asked to play my lute during part of the Communion Service as the congregation come to the Altar to receive The Eucharist. I am a bit dubious about this as I fear it might detract from the service, apart from any tuning difficulties. I would be grateful for any comments and advice thanks Charles To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.24/2017 - Release Date: 03/22/09 17:51:00 Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: e...@gamutstrings.com voice: (218) 728-1202
[LUTE] Re: Welcome to the Lute mailing list!
Daniel F Heiman wrote: Anton: The Siena Lute Book is available in facsimile, published by Minkoff: http://www.omifacsimiles.com/cats/minkoff.pdf Purchase information here: http://www.omifacsimiles.com/contactomi.html Regards, Daniel Heiman On Tue, 4 Aug 2009 08:39:05 +0200 =?iso-8859-1?Q?Anton_H=F6ger?= writes: Hello, this is my first posting: where can I find the 4 modis of “Spagna detta Lamire” from the Siena Lutebook? Many thanks in advance Anton To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Anton, I think Jason Kortis entabulated most,if not all the Siena Lute book into French Tab and it was on the Fronimo site (Yahoo groups). regards Charles Browne
[LUTE] RE: Brescianello and Gallichon
Dear Arto, Lynda Sayce gave a talk at the September 2003 meeting of the Lute Society on the Gallichon. The talk is printed in the October 2003 edition of Lute News (Number 67) on pp 7 -10. There is a listing of sources and a short bibliography at the end of the article. Best wishes Charles -Original Message- From: Arto Wikla [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2005 10:45 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Brescianello and Gallichon Dear lutenists, there is music for "gallichon" by Brescianello Oeuvres pour Gallichon (http://luth-librairie.ifrance.com/brescianello.pdf) that Richard Civiol has edited and gives to us all in his wonderful pages http://luth-librairie.ifrance.com/ is quite interesting, indeed. And big thanks to Richard! The music is quite good, in many places very good. To me it sounds nearly classical in style. I do not know much about Brescianello and even less of gallichon. The instrument had 6 courses (or perhaps single strings?). Tuned in guitar tuning. But what does our collected wisdom know about the instrument? Why in the very late baroque there was a revival of a 6 course lute? To whom was it meant to be played? Who composed for the instrument? Was is used also in continuo? Where, geographically, was it played? Where, socially, was it played: in taverns, in churches, ...? Are there many intsruments in the museums? Has any luthier studied original instruments? How similiar the structure is when compared to 16th century lutes? What kind of strings did they use? Any original schools for the instrument? Any writings at all of the gallichon? All the best Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Las je m'y plains (Sermisy)
Dear list, does anyone have a 'Django' or 'Fronimo' version of this piece that they could share? I am using the Milano intabulation as an acompaniment to four voices and the tenor voice needs more support but I hesitate to start entering all this into Django or Fronimo if someone has already done the work :)! thanks Charles To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] songs about children
has anyone any suggestions for songs about,rather than to, children? High voice with lute. thanks Charles Browne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Giesbert revisited
I bought a copy of Giesbert's 'School for baroque lute' from Schott & Sons in London. They had to order from Germany but it only took a week. The shop assistant at Schott's remarked that he could not remember selling another copy. I wonder how many non german-speaking lutenists would be interested in an english translation and whether Schott & Sons would be willing to support such a venture? Perhaps this is an idea that could be considered by the German Lute Society as a number of them have spoken in warm terms of Giesbert? If there was an official sponsor,perhaps the change(s) in technique could also be incorporated in the text? I have no doubt that the level of interest could be acertained quite simply by asking every lute society to pose the question to their members. Charles To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Giesbert revisited
Hi Mathias, do you know whether the english translation is still available? regards Charles To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Ambrose Galliard and Pavin
does anybody have any biographical details of the 'Ambrose' in the Ambrose Galliard/Pavin pair. I believe he was Ambrose Lupo de Milan (Julia Graig McFeely's thesis) but I could not find any other detail. Thanks Charles Browne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Playing renaissance (7, 8 courses) repertoire in a 10c lute
Dear alexandre, the 10c lute is a beautiful instrument and the later repertoire for 9/10 courses is well worth exploring. There are a number of arrangements of both french and german baroque music for 10c lute and these often sit as well on the 10c renaissance-tuned lute as on the d minor tuned baroque lutes. The 13c baroque instrument didnt appear until the early 18c. There are some luthiers who make a 10c lute that can be easily adapted to a 11 c french baroque lute and this might be worth exploring. The 'downside' of a 10c lute is that, unless the string length is short it will be tuned with the top course at f# or f (a==440) and this will make it difficult to play in ensemble with other 'g' lutes. It can be done -either by re-arranging the music or by using a capo. The width of the finger-board will be wider and this can be more problematic if you have small hands. 6c music may not sound so 'clean' as there will be some element of sympathetic vibration from the diapasons. It is worth looking around before you buy and if possible borrow a 10c lute, as well as an 8c, and see how it suits. Best of luck! Charles To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Gut strings in practice
is there a mathematical relationship between humidity/temperature/frequency and string diameter that one can use to retune gut strings predictively ,as a process of successive approximation? for instance, I played in two different locations on two consecutive nights. The first night was awful and I spent a good 15 minutes retuning in between pieces, despite having retuned at the start of the evening when the hall was 'full'. I retuned the strings when I got home but noted the degree of 'out-of-tuneness in cents' on the meter - for each of the gut strings. The next night, I reset those gut strings by 50% of the displacement (approx 10cents) before entering the hall and then checked the tuning about 30 minutes later. The tuning was almost 'spot - on' and was very easy to fine-tune. I have only done this on one occasion so I don't know whether this is reasonable approach or not. BTW, the humidity in this area is high and didn't change very much. I would be interested to hear how experienced 'gut-players' approach the tuning problem. regards Charles To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] writing divisions
what are the 'rules' for writing divisions? regards Charles To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Fingering question
I tried it and found, for my hand , that is was marginally easier to get the fourth finger down on the 'd' with the 5th on the 'f'. That way, it allowed me to get the barre a bit straighter. 60cm vsl not nice though!:-) Charles To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] tele-Teaching
Here is some food for thought! There was an article in the Daily Telegraph (UK national broadsheet) today about an english jazz pianist who was having jazz-piano lessons by telephone/email with a teacher who was based in Chicago. The teacher would send the music via email and then listen to the pupil playing over the 'phone. Is there not an opportunity for some enterprising lute teacher(s) to do something similar, if not better, with Broadband? regards Charles To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: ordering from TREE editions
Dear Greg, Albert Reyerman has an email address through which you can order ,[EMAIL PROTECTED] The turnaround time is short and payment is usually against invoice which you organise through a direct bank transfer. The alternative is to go through Rainer Luckhardt of Seicento who has a Paypal facility. In fact, I thought that Paypal can be used for most email addresses now? best of luck Charles (UK) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bawdy Songs & Catches
Faber Music has just published "Broadside Ballads - songs from the streets,taverns,theatres and countryside of 17th C England" Edited by Lucy Skeaping. Words and melody only but it could be a useful source. ISBN 0-571-52223-8 regards Charles To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Thanks to Wayne
I agree most heartily! Charles To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Music Therapy
A Happy New Year to all! There was an article in one of the UK national newspapers recently about Harpists being 'employed' in operating theatres and in Chemotherapy Units to help reduce tension and anxiety in patients. I followed this up by looking at various links to formal Music Therapy and I gather that the Harp, among other instruments, is often used because of its particular properties. I wondered whether the lute would be similarly useful. Has anybody on the list experience of this? best wishes Charles To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy
surely they would keep to the beat? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE]
Dear All, what early music events are happening in Venice in the first week in July? thanks Charles To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: The Ten Commandments
Dear Stewart, this presumably is Christopher Tye's setting. I thought that I had a copy but no luck, I am afraid. It is available from Stainer & Bell. Best wishes Charles To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Robert Johnson
Rainer Luckhardt publishes a 'complete edition of Robert Johnson' for 18 try http://www.seicentomusic.de/E_LUTE.html. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
