[LUTE] Re: Tabledit, experiences?
On 11/15/2014 09:31 AM, David van Ooijen wrote: Hi david, I checked it a very long time ago and didn't find it suitable for lute tablature. their primary goal is the guitar player. For an instrument with more than 6 strings there will be a problem with the notation. And of course it's only numbers, not characters/french tab for notation. I suppose you were looking for something how the enter tablature on your iphone? :-) cheers Taco Does anyone on this list use Tabledit for lute tablature? If so, experiences? David -- *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bach's Concerto for Harpsichord & Strings in F Minor
On 08/20/2014 02:42 PM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: But those people can easily change their 7 course fretting into well-tempered, not? ;-) (someone asked me once to tune my theorbo into 'Valotti' for Monteverdi... Ehh, didn't work very well..) Taco It would be too far out of character for the instrument, especially for those with unequal fretting. RT On 8/20/2014 8:38 AM, Helen Atkinson wrote: How about a 7-course version from someone? That would be popular! Helen On Wednesday, 20 August 2014, [1]r.turov...@gmail.com <[2]r.turov...@gmail.com> wrote: "By popular demand" - an archlute version: [3]http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/bach5arc.pdf Enjoy. Amities, RT On 8/20/2014 12:38 AM, Edward C. Yong wrote: I, for one, would love an arrangement for 7-course or archlute! Edward Chrysogonus Yong edward.y...@gmail.com On 19 Aug, 2014, at 11:24 PM, Dan Winheld wrote: Roman- beautifully done, very nice. That movement has always been a small favorite of mine. Thank you! Dan On 8/19/2014 6:59 AM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: You can also play that movement on a 13course, without any piano: [4]http://polyhymnion.org/swv/images/bach5.pdf RT On 8/19/2014 8:13 AM, Helen Atkinson wrote: Hello - I've had such great help from this forum that I can't resist asking for more. I'm in long-shot mode again, and purists must turn away (!), but I've been asked whether I could play lute to cover the pizzicato strings line of the beautiful Largo movement of this concerto. I may be accompanying a piano rather than harpsichord, so the anachronism could be more extreme still. Is an intabulation of this for a 7-course instrument worth pursuing, I wonder? The score can be found here (pp. 112-113):A [1][5]http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/4b/IMSLP02260- Bach_- _BGA_-_BWV_1056.pdf Many thanks Helen -- References 1. [6]http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/4b/IMSLP02260-Bac h_-_BGA_-_BWV_1056.pdf To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 2. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 3. http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/bach5arc.pdf 4. http://polyhymnion.org/swv/images/bach5.pdf 5. http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/4b/IMSLP02260-Bach_- 6. http://burrito.whatbox.ca:15263/imglnks/usimg/4/4b/IMSLP02260-Bach_-_BGA_-_BWV_1056.pdf 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: backpacks for lutes?
On 03/05/2014 10:20 PM, Bruno Fournier wrote: I don't see a backback case for a theorbo however. Would be fun to enter a train without thinking... :-D taco -- Forwarded message -- From: Bruno Fournier Date: 2014-03-05 16:05 GMT-05:00 Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: backpacks for lutes? To: Dan Winheld Cc: wayne cripps , lute@cs.dartmouth.edu I replied to Wayne directly, but I'll share what I replied: Bag luthiers, see link below, makes soft backpack cases for lutes and theorbos.. Hi Wayne, I have a backpack softcase for my arabic oud, used to be sold by Kalaf Ouds; http://www.oudstrings.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=127 Hi again Wayne, there is also a company in Spain, they're on Facebook, they seem to make all kinds of bags for early instruments: http://www.bagluthiers.com/ I'm going to Spain this summer, I might pay them a visit. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: new works for lute
On 03/03/2014 11:15 PM, David van Ooijen wrote: and again a very welcome addition to the modern lute repertoire! Taco To those interested There's a 'new' composer for lute: Louis Bispo. He made a website where you can download his scores and read a little about his background: [1]http://llawrencebispo.com/ David *** David van Ooijen [2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [3]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- References 1. http://llawrencebispo.com/ 2. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 3. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Theorbo set up
On 02/20/2014 01:59 PM, Anthony Hart wrote: Hi, much depends on the type of strings you use. The 8-6 configuration will give you a low F on the fingerboard but in plain gut it's not a nice sound. However, it gives the possibility to tune quickly between movements or pieces, when playing continuo in an ensemble, to F# or back. For a long F string you'll need to climb on your chair to tune it back :-) (well standup is enough, but it's a bit of a problem during a concert with an ensemble). I use as lowest string on the fingerboard a G (i.e. the 7-7 configuration) which is already problematic in plain gut, but with hightwist acceptable. I really want to have the possibility to play G# and G. The lack of a F# (or F) is with continuo playing seldomly a problem. Some will say the same for the G/G#. Matter of taste. Another problem you could encounter is the fret location. My theorbo has its frets on an angle due to string diameter differences... My archlute has an extra peg and my lowest diapason is a F or F# as counterpart of the one which is an octave higher (first diapason). Needs some getting used to but works and is also a possibility described by nigel north in his book. best wishes Taco Theorbos can be set up up as 6+8, 7+7 and 8+6. Does anyone have any preference and reasons? Thanks Anthony -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Garden Music
On 10/03/2013 01:23 AM, Dan Winheld wrote: mmm. Astor Piazzolla?? Can you give more information on what kind of piece you play? To anyone out here in California's beautiful San Francisco Bay Area (or eager to book a quick flight); One hour lute performance in Berkeley, CA, at 4 pm on Saturday, October 5th, in the garden of University Press Books, 2430 Bancroft Way. Presented by The Musical Offering Classical CD Shop & University Press Books. Light refreshments will be served, donations accepted! Dan Winheld, lute; in a program featuring Hans & Melchior Neusidler, John Dowland, and Astor Piazzolla. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Aegidius MS?
On 08/04/2012 11:38 PM, Bernd Haegemann wrote: Thanks for the link. Very interesting source and also quality music! Also contains baroque lute music by what I presume is Weiss (Veiss) at the end. cheers Taco Am 04.08.2012 22:07, schrieb Mathias Rösel: foreigners. There are two mss. from Prague I should love to see, viz. IV.G.18 and the other is IV.E.36 (Gelinek). Anyone? For the latter have a look here http://dl.free.fr/gXZ1EPMxM a .pdf of a print of a microfilm of a fax or so, but nevertheless.. ;-) best regards Bernd To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: Lute Ensemble
On 07/23/2012 05:04 PM, Anton Höger wrote: Ok, I wrote that IMSLP always check the uploads and need at least one day. Because I often make a transcription for guitar too, it seems that IMSLP cannot handle with the same file name. But sorry if you feel that my more hundreds of Intavolations for 2-4 lutes in any tunings are to much, anton, I didn't write that I don't like your intavolations or guitar arrangements. Please don't be so quickly offended by what I wrote and please do continue your work. I only asked what the purpose is of sending emails for every addition or minor change to a piece, while there are so many better alternatives for getting the attention of your efforts like a webpage with a "latest additions page", a rss xml feed, twitter or simply a separate mailing list. It's just an idea, not a critic on what you do. Taco I will not upload any more Intavolations. My work was thought for the luteplayers in any level. Not everybody can play the English Treble Ground duets or the very complicated Terzi duos or some else. If I look at mediafire, where I first uploaded my Intavolations, there are more than 15000 downloads! So I dont understand your opinion about solo lute players. May be,- but thats one of my reasons I do the Intavolations! I was 10 years teacher for classical guitar and later 15 years for the Renaissance lute. And my experience with all the hundreds of pupils was that they could benefit a lot of ensemble playing. Rhythme, Hearing, Playing prima vista, and a lot more. But a crucial effect is the sound effect of more lutes in an ensemble. Because of the less technical demand the lute players in an Ensemble has an overwelming soundeffect. But I dont want to defend my work. So if you feel so, I dont will upload any more Intavolations. I think my announcements are not too much, when I have a look at some gibberish you can find here. (More than one has complained this!) But ok, why should I make any uploads more? So all lute players who has downloaded my work, will give thanks to you! Anton To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: Gibbons, Orlando - A French Ayre
On 07/23/2012 03:59 PM, Anton Höger wrote: Hi anton, I almost see a daily digest of your mails. I just clicked on the link below and it shows a page which promises to give a lute tablature, but in stead gives a score for 2 guitars in staff notation. the same for all other links or it gives an error page (like the italian ground of gibbons for example). So before you send a mail to this list, check if all links work and point to the correct files. anyway, the website shows a nice link "recent changes". anybody who is interested in your new contributions can simply look on this website and view which new additions are added. No need, to send an email to hundreds (thousands?) of lutenists for every new addition. Many lutenists are by the way solo players and I assume they have less interest in duets, trios or quartets. So transcriptions for one lute, as many composers of the past often made, could be of more interest for many players perhaps. I would certainly have more interest in such transcriptions! best regards Taco Walstra hi, I have uploaded a new lute Duet (Ad Quartam) Gibbons, Orlando - A French Ayre Enjoy Anton link: http://imslp.org/wiki/A_French_Ayre_%28Gibbons,_Orlando%29 -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: Alcohol as glue breaker.
On 01/31/2012 07:09 PM, Bruno Fournier wrote: My wife is a luthier and always uses wet heat. Alcohol will damage the varnish and repairing the varnish is a lot of extra work, especially with violins and celli. (Although after the opening and closing of the instruments a varnish repair is also necessary with the wet heat tool, but much less). Using alcolhol is the amateur way of working. In the same line: A lutemaker in the netherlands used/uses woodglue to glue damaged lutebridges. Although he thinks himself a professional he's clearly not. taco Have always used wet heat. A wouldn't regluing after be a problem? as there might be remnants of the alcohol preventing the glue from binding properly? A Bruno A A On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:06 PM, William Samson <[1]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: A I use alcohol - I learned the trick on a course I did in piano repair. A Very effective! A The downside is that it could hurt the finish - A especially if it's a French polish. A Ordinary methylated spirit works A just fine. A Bill A From: Herbert Ward<[2]wa...@physics.utexas.edu> A To: [3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu A Sent: Tuesday, 31 January 2012, 16:31 A Subject: [LUTE] Alcohol as glue breaker. A I asked a luthier how he broke the glue joint in doing A a repair. A I expected to hear a description of some A variation of wet heat. A To my surprise, he said that he used anhydrous ethyl A alcohol (eg, 190 proof Everclear liquor). A He said that the alcohol drawa all the water out of the A glue, and that perfectly dry glue has no strength and A comes apart easily. A Does anyone else use alcohol? A Why do some luthiers use A alcohol and others use wet heat? A To get on or off this list see list information at A [1][4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html A -- References A 1. [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [6]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. mailto:willsam...@yahoo.co.uk 2. mailto:wa...@physics.utexas.edu 3. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. http://www.estavel.org/ --
[LUTE] Re: utterly OT: guitar teacher wanted in Bolivia, reply off-list
On 01/15/2012 10:44 AM, David van Ooijen wrote: Sorry to bother the list with this, but there must be a Bolivian guitar teacher among us, or someone who knows one ... Friends of mine are travelling the world and stopping in Bolivia (where ...?) One of them wants lessons in 'Spanish guitar' while in Bolivia. Names, (e-mail)adresses, anyhting? David try to convince him/her that they should ask for lessons on charango, because that's the instrument which is extremely popular in bolivia. They sell these instruments in several shops in La Paz, Potosi etc. (also quality ones) including books (spanish of course). These shops also sell a few guitars and are perhaps the place to ask for a teacher. Taco -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gut strings
On 11/17/2011 05:32 PM, Daniel Winheld wrote: I have used .42 beef gut for the best trebles- for durability& strength- from Toro, obtained through Universale- I got them directly from the Viola da Gamba builder Marco Ternovec of Belgium when he came to the Berkeley Early Music Festival& Exhibition several years ago. If these strings are still obtainable they should work for at least the 2nd& 3rd course as well. Maybe the 4th. And of course I have perfectly good trebles for my viola da gamba. It looks like real gut string buying is becoming more HIP "authentic"- the different kinds of strings coming from widely different sources, dependent on political, climatic, seasonal, and other environmental/health conditions in the real world. "a little bit more of horse sense is recommended" Horse Gut! Racing horses for trebles& fast passaggi, draft horses for basses& continuo. Dan Best wishes, and pray that we are spared from Mad Horse disease. m, my wife has a horse And it's a "baroque horse" as they call it, used for classical dressage riding. Cannot have a better one for my baroque lutes. I will ask her what she's thinks about it :-) Taco -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gut Strings
On 11/16/2011 01:41 PM, Edward Martin wrote: Dan is in the UK at the moment, but I am unaware of any stoppage of gut string making from his shop. He has 4 employees making gut strings, and one is my daughter. I am aware of no lay-off plans. Dan does use beef gut for trebles, simply because they are better, stronger, longer lasting. ed Don't know how the relation is between Dan and mimmo, but wouldn't it be possible to make the loaded gut strings in the USA by Gamutstrings using the recipe of mimmo and pay a small fee to Aquila? Unfortunately Gamutstrings stopped all work in this area, but I really love this kind of strings. even -just as in the old times - they are sometimes not quite well when new (for example in positions), aging etc. But the tonequality is magnificent. Taco -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gut Strings
On 11/16/2011 01:08 PM, William Samson wrote: So - I wonder how many people have actually contracted mad cow disease, scrapie, CJD or other related problems? Of them, I wonder how many caught it from the production processes for musical strings? That's my first question. My second question is how many people have died on our roads over the same period? If the answer is what I suspect, whatever happened to perspective and proportion? It's a bit like looking at mediaeval paintings. Grumpy Bill right and the first to die is the stringmaker I assume. Musicians don't eat gut strings only lutes do eat them a lot. The big problem is for the gamba players. At least we have nylgut and other synthetic strings but what about gambas if gut strings will disappear? All the early music bow instrument range would be affected. Francesco Indeed the bowed instruments will certainly suffer. I never heart of a violin/viola player using nylgut by the way (and I do know quite a lot of them in the netherlands). they all use damian, parastro etc. Taco -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gut Strings
On 11/16/2011 11:26 AM, R. Mattes wrote: Yes, I had exactly the same question. Apart from this: is gut not used in many medical situations to string people together after cutting by a surgeon for example, or is this perhaps done these days with other materials (nylgut? ;-) ) Taco On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:08:14 +0100, Luca Manassero wrote Dear List, as Mimmo explains in a video (unfortunately in Italian) on his facebook page, the original beef gut regulation in EU was due to fear of the so-called "mad cow" disease transmission. Excuse my ignorance, but since when are gut strings made out of beef gut? I always assumed that Aquilla's gut strings are made from sheep gut. Cheers, Ralf Mattes -- R. Mattes - Hochschule fuer Musik Freiburg r...@inm.mh-freiburg.de To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: BWV 998
On 10/19/2011 12:38 PM, Rob MacKillop wrote: Good question, Dennis. Interestingly, as Bach was running out of space, the last 19 bars of the Allegro movement are written in a more concise organ tablature. That would be an odd thing to hand to a lute player to play from! Hopkinson Smith published (Ut Orpheus Edizioni) an edition in D Major, but states in his preface that, were he to do it again he would play it in the more 'pastoral' key of Eb. It's not often an editor rubbishes his own edition in the Preface! Most players play it in D. I still have an edition for classical guitar in Eb. Although I seldomly play on guitar nowadays, I remember that the prelude and allegro were very playable and I never understood why they were transposed into D in other editions. Perhaps because the fugue is a horrible difficult piece... I never mastered that one, but also no impossible chords in Eb. Never tried these pieces on baroque lute (there is still so much Weiss), but I wonder if transposing is really necessary. All "lute" music by Bach needs changes because he never played on the instrument. BWV995 is also transposed from g to a but this has more to do with the baroque lute string range which will fit better in a when using a 13 course. Not sure about Jacob Lindberg, but I do know that he used different tunings, even for the first six courses, based on tunings found at the time of Reusner. My own position is that Bach wrote all his 'lute' music for his lauten clavier - but had lute players, possibly Weiss and other famous players, in mind, thinning the texture as compared to his solo keyboard pieces. But there again, the thinning out of the texture may have had something to do with the muddy sound of his largely gut-string keyboard. Rob MacKillop -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: tablature software programs
On 08/16/2011 11:12 AM, R. Mattes wrote: Interestingly enough, Tim's TabCode format is the inspiration for the tab format I have used to export Django files to a Braille compatible printer. Another advantage of XML is that it can be rewritten using XSL into a large variety of other formats, including by people who have no access to the original code. Alain I have to aconfess that I'm not too enthusiastic about XML as a storage format for (lute) tablature. If there's interest I might be able to elaborate a bit (need to do some practising now) ... Cheers, RalfD I second your last statement. A nice example is xml format used by microsoft office. This contains many xml elements which have no clear meaning, moreover the contents of an element can even contain binary blobs of information. So, transfered to the lutetab xml idea such an xml file could look like this: @$%^&$@$%^ 10 years ago xml was hot, because of it's open character and possibilities to port between programs, especially word processing and it was popular with content of webpages. It's however more important that commercial programs provide information about their internal fileformat, be it either in xml or any other format. If this is clear you will not need xsl, but you are able to convert it using any programming language in the same amount of time or perhaps less. taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute Strings for theorbo
On 08/11/2011 09:30 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: Playing close to the bridge is a story in itself. It's not proved that it was common practice on theorbo. It's logical however, but playing with nails was perhaps also used, or both. What you call "historical practice... only lower the first course..." was the tuning used on an english theorbo, not the "standard" theorbo. "Historical practice" was tuning small theorbos in dm, although even this is not very certain (it's mostly based on a few examples, like the pieces by visee which exist in staff notation and theorbo tablature). Even the small tiorbino usied in the italian Castaldi music has the 2 top course reentrant, if I remember well. But what is the problem with the second course? As you can see in the list by David he uses 0.78 mm. that's not 0.36 or whatever. with archlutes in G you encounter such problems, not theorbos. If you use a theorbo only for continuo playing, your advice can be a good idea, but I assume that David Smith will surely like to play Visee and other beautiful solomusic, which is problematic when you do this. Taco Much depends on your technique and whether you play close to the bridge (as the Old Ones generally seemed to have done) or up to the rose. However whatever tension you decide upon, with such a small instrument why don't you follow historical practice and only lower the first course an octave? The stress of the second course at such a short string length (at , say, A 415) is well below breaking stress. MH To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute Strings for theorbo
On 08/10/2011 07:54 PM, David van Ooijen wrote: Hi, I've the same type of S&S theorbo, but in a 7+7 setup. Indeed it's a bit of searching for the right (5), 6 and 7th gutstringtype/diameter with the relative short 76 cm. I'm using only a loaded gut on the G (7th). This string behaves rather differently than the other strings when playing in an environment with changing humidity, but not very problematic. I'm using a slightly thinner b course 0.52 if I remember well. Another possibility is to setup the instrument in d minor, as a theorbo de pieces. Arto Wikla has experience with that. You'll need to learn again the BC chords however. You can ask Aquila or Gamut directly, but it's part of the fun to experiment yourself. also to test different manufacturers, because the differences in sound are interesting too. Taco David I play a S&S theorbo like yours: 76/140cm, build for me in 1988. Current set-up is 6+8. First two strings re-entrant, tuned in a. 415/440 as required with the same set of strings. I've had all sorts of tensions over the years, but this is what it is at the moment: All-gut, obviously. 76cm 1 = a 0.62mm 2 = e 0.78mm 3 = b 0.58mm 4 = g 0.66mm 5 = d 0.88mm 6 = A 1.16mm 140mm 7 = G 0.74mm 8 = F 0.82mm 9 = E 0.86mm 10 = D 0.97mm 11 = C 1.09mm 12 = B1 1.14mm 13 = A1 1.28mm 14 = G1 1.44mm (Or the nearest available diameter, of course.) Strings 1 to 5 are plain gut by any maker. 6 is a bit of a bother, but I'm reasonably happy with Aquila's loaded gut at the moment. Strings 7 to 14 are Gamut Diapassons, the best I've played so far, but fret gut will do if in trouble (still better than nylgut ;-). I used to play it with a much higher string tension, but have gone down over the years: less punch and more resonance, less metallic sound and more warmth. It would be nice to have the instrument in balance: top set in a tension that is comparable to the diapassons. If you like the tension of what you're having on the instrument now, just replace the top seven strings. The carbon you can measure. There are lists around (or ask this list) that translate carbon diameters to comparable gut diameters. If you ever decide to change to a different tension, you'll be able to reuse most of your diapassons by moving them up a place, and just buy the missing one string. No need to replace good diapasson, and some of these thick basses get better over time anyway. On a side-note. I've noticed string makers tend to advice rather high string tensions. Better ask a player. I'm sure the string makers know best at what tension their strings give optimum performance, but I think players tend to give a more informed, and more varied!, answer to the question of ideal string tension for actual playing. enjoy your new toy! David To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Theorbo Strings...
On 07/29/2011 01:01 AM, Hector wrote: Dear all, A quick question. Any experience with the New Nylgut NNG and NGE as basses on a 85cm theorbo? > I'm just thinking of stinging the short neck all with Nylgut. Currently I have Nylgut in the > a-e-b-g and d (from the top), and I just wonder if the NGE will work for the A and G as well. > Otherwise I'll get the Type D string, or something else. Plain gut perhaps? ;-) My theorbo is only 76 cm and only the sound of the G string differed too much from the diapasson F when using plain gut in my opinion (never used nylgut). A loaded string or gimped helps a lot, although not historical. With a 85 cm monster I don't think you won't have any of these problems. Taco Arto's calculator suggests a 104 for the A and a 116 for the G (3.5kg). Many thanks in advance, Hector To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Strap slips off left shoulder.
On 03/10/2011 04:20 AM, Herbert Ward wrote: In playing my 13-course, the strap is constantly on the verge of slipping backwards off my left shoulder. To a lesser extent this happens with my Renaissance lute also. Any suggeestions besides safety-pinning the strap to my shirt? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html More visits to the gym and become broad shouldered ;-) I only use a strap for continuo instruments and even with theorbo only a strap below my right leg attached to the button: first inside between the legs going out below your right leg. Taco
[LUTE] Re: Agazzari
On 01/11/2011 02:48 PM, Giuliano Lucini wrote: Yeah that sounds more logical. la mano sinistra would have been more clear, unless you are left-handed. taco I'd vote instead for left hand. To me 'Mano di sotto' is used to say 'Mano sotto lo strumento', that is hand below the instrument. And he's saying on the Tiorba one uses this hand to make trilli and accenti muti: you do these with the left hand. I think Accenti muti are something like appoggiatura or legatura. When you tie two or more notes with the left hand fingers without touching the string with the right hand fingers. And it is something that can go together with trilli: con trilli et accenti muti. Regards, Giuliano To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Agazzari
On 01/09/2011 07:38 PM, Bernd Haegemann wrote: I would vote for 'right hand'. Accenti muti could mean some muting to prevent everlasting bass strings, although only modern nylon wound strings suffer from this problem and gut strings not. taco writes: La Tiorba poi, co le sue piene, e dolci consonanze, accresce molto la melodia, ripercotendo, e paßeggiando leggiadramente i suoi bordoni, particolar eccellenza di quello stromento, con trilli, et accenti muti, fatti con la mano di sotto. (Del Sonare Sopra'l Basso Con Tutti Li Stromenti E Dell' Uso Loro Nel Conserto) What could he mean with "fatti con la mano di sotto"? I have a translation that makes it "left hand", a second one speaks of "the right hand". And wouldn't it help to know what are accenti muti? best wishes Bernd To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: abc lute tab
If you open the examples directory, you would have found a file with the name kapsberger.abc which is theorbo piece with the continuo line too. It has all the diapasons in the abc code. I hosted for many years a page with lots of abc lute music including the postscript files, but my employer at the university decided to put all webserver activities behind a firewall lately, so this archive is currently not available. I'm trying to make them a bit more flexible or find a different location to host all files, but will take some time. Taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Theorbo treatises
On 11/01/2010 04:44 PM, Sam Chapman wrote: Hi, perhaps a more interesting book is delair's treatise of 1690: accompaniment on theorbo and harpsichord. I have a pdf of the english version which is not longer available. Grenerin and fleury contain several mistakes. Taco Dear Shaun, I was just looking for these as well. As far as I know there are no translations, but Bartolomi, Fleury and Grenerin are more or less understandable from their music examples alone (helped by a very basic knowledge of French). Are you looking for Campion's 1716 treatise (in which he talks about harmony and accompaniment in general) or the "Addition au traite d'accompaniment" from 1730 (which is much larger, and contains more specific info about theorbo, lute and guitar)? If the latter, there is an article by Kevin Mason: Franc,ois Campions Secret of Accompaniment for the Theorbo, Guitar and Lute. This is in Journal of LSA, Vol XIV (1981). Mason sums up Campion's main points. You can find a modern edition of Grenerin here: [1]http://luthlibrairie.free.fr/?Baroque:Fran%26ccedil%3Baise I think there might be some mistakes in it, but I haven't been able to get hold of the facsimile to check it. In LSA Journal Vol XIX (1986) you can find a review of the facsimile edition, again by Kevin Mason, which contains some interesting information. Good luck, and let me know if you find anything else! Sam 2010/10/30 Shaun Ng<[2]shaunk...@gmail.com> Dear All, Does anyone happen to know if there are English translations of the following treatises and if they are available (either original or translation) online? Angelo Michele Bartolotti: Table pour apprendre facilement `a toucher le theorbe sur la basse-continue (Paris, 1669) Franc,ois Campion: Traite d'accompagnement et de composition selon la regle des octaves de musique, op.2 (Paris, 1716/R) Henry Grenerin: Livre de theorbe contenant plusieurs pieces sur differents tons, avec une nouvelle methode tres facile pour apprendre `a jouer sur la partie les basses continues et toutes sortes dairs Thanks very much in advance. Shaun -- To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Sam Chapman Oetlingerstrasse 65 4057 Basel (0041) 79 530 39 91 -- References 1. http://luthlibrairie.free.fr/?Baroque:Fran%26ccedil%3Baise 2. mailto:shaunk...@gmail.com 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: beginner question about right arm position
On 08/20/2010 02:54 AM, David Tayler wrote: Ditch the Poulton :) There are lots of youtube videos now where you can see many different styles of playing. dt At 01:18 PM 8/18/2010, you wrote: very true. And a very good example to start is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dhgkubo6YqI (The series of lute lessons by our lutelist member David van Ooijen!!!) taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Disney world Florida looking for lutenist
On 08/14/2010 01:19 AM, dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote: Salary: $1,200/ week. not too shabby; cost of living shouldnt be too horendous. West coast of FL (Clearwater) looked ok couple of years ago when I was there on business. But you have to play in a large mickey mouse suit which is not easy with a lute :-) taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] antiqua (guatemala) vihuela manuscript
Dear all, A few weeks ago I happened to be in Antiqua in Quatemala. They have a tiny museum containing old manuscrips and books which were printed in 16th and 17th century in quatemala. Among the books shown there were 4 books containing music and one manuscript where the description mentioned that it was about vihuela tuning. 23 pages following were to contain religious music. Of course it would have been nice if this manuscript contains vihuela tablature, but the museum description didn't mention this, although it looks like that the music was intended to be played on vihuela. Unfortunately there was nobody available to provide more information. I made 2 pictures of the pages and will put them on a website this week. Anybody more info about this book? Taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: single second course on 10 course lutes
On Mon, 2010-01-18 at 14:54 +, Martin Shepherd wrote: Thanks Martin en daniel for the interesting reply! My feeling is that playing technique <> have been a reason. What I understand from several players is that a double second on a baroque lute doesn't work very well, although perhaps a lot of hard work as Daniel mentions could help. By the way, was the conversion of a 10c to 11c only the addition of a bassrider or were there also changes made inside? taco > Hi Taco, > > We have very little evidence for any of this, of course. But it seems > extremely probable that the single 2nd came into being when people > converted 10c lutes into 11c lutes, because it involved only the > addition of a treble rider, a bass extension to the bridge, and an > overhanging nut - no major rebuild of pegbox, no need to open the lute. > There are plenty of 11c lutes with double 2nd in paintings and surviving > lutes, perhaps they were new-built rather than conversions. Unusually, > Thomas Mace seems to have used a double first as well as a double 2nd. > Mary Burwell's author has it that the single 2nd is used because it is > difficult to find two strings "to agree", but I suspect that the real > reason is the ease of conversion from 10c to 11c. > > So I think it is very unlikely that 10c lutes ever had a single 2nd, in > fact one might ask whether or not they had a double 1st, since double > firsts were common in 7 and 8c lutes, and used also by Dowland on 9c > lutes (1610). > > I'm not convinced that playing technique has anything to do with it, > except that to a modern player used to the single strings of the guitar > (and then the usual single top string of the modern lute), double > strings can require some adjustment of technique. > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] single second course on 10 course lutes
Does anybody know when the single second course came into use on baroque lutes? During a relative short period several new, transitional tunings came into use before everybody settled on Dm tuning on 10 course lutes. But did these lutes have a single 2nd course? If a typical baroque technique was already used it's perhaps yes. Ballard is still renaissance tuning with -I assume- a double 2nd string, or do we still play this music on totally wrong instruments and wrong technique? Was change in playing technique the only reason for the change? Are there any historical facts about this in literature, old instruments? Taco - who just turned his 10 course into a french baroque lute. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Great new spam-scheme! Re: Lessons/booking
On Mon, 2009-10-19 at 11:17 +0200, David van Ooijen wrote: > Look what the cat brought in this morning! > > David - was recently harassed by repeated phone calls from Africa by a > Nigerian spammer asking for my banking details ... Mayor bother, the > guy didn't stop caling me for days. > > Invent a nice story by email and redirect to one of the nice links mentioned on: http://www.malwaredomainlist.com (be careful with the links mentioned on this website; the website itself is safe and intended for IT profs). taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Women composers of lute music
On Fri, 2009-09-11 at 02:45 +, Suzanne and Wayne wrote: > I could play when I was a beginner and easy music was hard to > find (that was before so much stuff was on line.) But now > I write music for myself and others for the sheer joy of > creative expression. Any other living women composers of lute > music? > > Suzanne The dutch lute society once published a piece for lute and voice by Tera de Marez Oyens. she was a dutch composer born 1932 and did in 1996. Even in her last year she married Marten Toonder, a famous cartoonist of the Olivier Bommel en Tom Poes series. The piece can apparently not purchased anymore. It's without lute tablature for 10 course ren. lute. I made a rough tab once. http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tera_de_Marez_Oyens To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Thomas Campion
On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 09:59 +0200, Matteo Turri wrote: > Taco, > > you can download the whole documents in pdf. > > At the moment I cannot access EEBO form my office. I will do it later > from home and explain you the steps. > > M. > Ah, I figured it out: you select the document and in the marked list there is a possibility to download the whole document. Very impressing list of manuscripts: Purcell (57 items), alison, dowland, campion, rosseter, wilson, playford (xxx manuscripts), robinson, bartlet, coprario, canvendish, danyel, ferrabosco, ford, john gamble (never heard of him before), thomas greaves (lutenist of some henri pierrefont..), pierre guedron, thomas hume., jones, lawes, le roy, mace, maynard, morley, pilkington,... To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Thomas Campion
On Wed, 2009-08-26 at 16:51 +0200, Matteo Turri wrote: Thanks! That's the second wonderful link in one week! Not just dowland and campion facsimiles but also wilson, rosseter etc. etc. Very nice. \ Unfortunately you can only create a pdf of one page and not the whole book. Taco > A great resource to retrieve this kind of documents is the EEBO, Early > English > Books Online: > > http://eebo.chadwyck.com/home > > You can only access it via a Library or an Academic Institution, but is > should > be pretty easy to register at you local library and gain access to it through > their online services - this means that you don't have to go to the library > to > access EEBo, but you can access it through the site of the library. > > Just to give you an idea: you can access - and download in pdf format - any > music book of the Elizabethan era: Dowland, Byrd, Campion, Tomkins, you name > it ... > > Hope it helps > > > Matteo > > > > > On Wednesday 26 August 2009 15:53:28 ariel abramovich wrote: > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > I'm desperately looking for Thomas Campion 4th books, in any digital > > format. > > > > I bought all others, but the 4th seems to be a bit of a problem to find. > > > > > > Any link to some library files? > > > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > all best, > > > > > > ariel. > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >
[LUTE] Re: Luthier , Engineered Best , Fastest , Cheapest [Scanned]
On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 09:40 +0100, Narada wrote: So, If I understand well: you order a lute and after a week there is a box delivered containing your lute. You open the box and you can start playing on a white plastic lute (or a paper or wax model). " > You will pay to them not me. Its not expensive. > You will receive your instrument in one week . Please read below >written details and technologies and prepare your mind to the 21th >century. > Yes that's lute playing 21 th century proper. And a lot faster than this brazilian guy! ;-) Taco > Collective All, > > I don't think this guy is for real. This is a scam. > > What he is offering is something called Rapid Prototyping. A process whereby > you supply him with 3d CAD files; usually of a type known as .STL, which are > then sent to a Rapid Prototype printer. I won't go into the way it works. > If you read his opening lines this is what he is asking for. What you would > get back is a plastic or wax model that is fully functional but only in one > colour ( usually white ) . The production process is expensive. The hardware > e.g. printers cost around £6 each for those that produce models no > bigger than a shoebox, (you can buy kits for about £2000, which is probably > what our mailer has, but the end product is appalling ). > > My business, which is in 3D visualisation, animation and 3D modelling offers > this service thru' a third party company. He's right when he says you'll get > it back in a week, the actual printing process is quite quick. But once you > load it with strings it will just come apart. > > As for his little statement about seismographs. It's actually seismometers > that pick up the movements in the ground, that's then transmitted to the > seismograph, which plots it. > > My advice! Don't bother. > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] thysius manuscript
Dear lutenetters, I just got an email from the dutch lute society where they mention that at last the Thysius manuscript will become available. Members of the NLV can pre-order the book for €70,-- (+ postage), members of other lute societies will pay €80,-- and normal price is €90,--. The book is actually a 3 volume hardbound box with about 1000 pages. Not 1000 pages of Da Milano quality, but certainly interesting book containing many unique pieces. More info: http://www.nederlandseluitvereniging.nl/page7.php Taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Laurent de La Hyre
On Wednesday 25 February 2009, Ron Fletcher rattled on the keyboard: > During my days of historical re-enactments, we were warned of the dangers > of lead poisoning. Most of us used pewter tankards and plates. It was a > big no-no to polish them as this exposed more lead into the food and drink. > > The drinking technique was to put both lips into the liquid, thus avoiding > direct contact from the pewter with the mouth. > > Sometimes we gave demonstrations of making lead musket-balls, but only a > few at a time and handling was kept to the bare minimum. They would be > passed around for on-lookers to examine who would then wash their hands. > Some of us had genuine musket-balls from the period, usually kept in a > pouch and only handled with gloves. > > But we digress... > > Ron (UK) > > > And you still <> your re-enactments ;-) Conclusion: we should ask Mimmo to make historical red strings because they cannot be that bad compared with environmental air pollution. (and perhaps blue ones too, if we have to believe Thomas Mace.) Such strings are only for the luteplayers who have guts. taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: possible scam warning!!!!! be careful.... from Anton Birula
On Wednesday 18 February 2009, Wayne Cripps rattled on the keyboard: I send this kind of people an html email where I'm very interested in the purchase or selling of an instrument. There is also a nice question where I ask their opinion and they have to look at a nice website. In fact it's a super malware website that is hidden in a link with a totally different name. For people interested in a few dangerous names contact me off line. I will not repeat that here because with windows there is a chance you get a nice trojan or whatever if you accidently click on it with IE. Don't know if it worked but gives me some satisfaction. Taco > Hello Anton - > > I got that message too, and I think that everyone selling a lute > on my web page got a copy. If you look closely at the guitars pictured > (from the Barber and Harris web page) you will see that they are > all different! It is a scam. > > And I don't have a front door in Finland, either! > > Wayne > bradbake...@yahoo.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Staff notation software - views?
O > >All these programs do not run easily on windows, but it's possible to > > install even on windows or apple OS a virtual pc with linux where you can > > run this. > > This is not true. > In the past installing Lilypond on a Windows system was a nightmare but now > it is very easy Denemo, NoteEdit, Rosegarden are not windows applications. They are all gtk (gnome) or kde windowmanager based. taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Staff notation software - views?
On Friday 13 February 2009, Martyn Hodgson rattled on the keyboard: >I'm sorry for introducing a non-lute note into these communications, >but I'd be grateful for views on the best FREE computer software for >writing staff notation; ie something like Sibelius or Finale, but >free. I've tried Muscore which, seems to me, to have some problems but >perhaps it's the best there is? > >MH > >-- > For Free software you need to look into the open source world and this often means quit using windows and start with Linux. For Linux an often used command line program is lilypond, but of course it's nice when you have some graphical environment. NoteEdit is one possibility. NoteEdit can export file in lilypond format (it's a graphical frontend.) and lilypond is used to generate a postscript or pdf file which you can print and view. Another frontend for lilypond is Denemo. A bit less powerful. Another graphical program with lots of direct playback etc. is Rosegarden. All these programs do not run easily on windows, but it's possible to install even on windows or apple OS a virtual pc with linux where you can run this. The best option is to install a not too old linux distribution and install these programs from online repositories or the linux dvd. Compiling lilypond and some other programs yourself is something which needs a bit experience. For running Linux you do not need to have a superheavy weight PC like what is needed for Vista, so any old PC will be fine. taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Old Satoh Vinyl Recording
On Monday 02 February 2009, Anthony Hind rattled on the keyboard: > The LP's (it is a 2-record set) were done years ago, before people were > recording in gut. > > ed ... > Yes, I forgot that gut stringing, came in around the 80s, while thumb- > in (which Terry used) was reintroduced (under the influence of > Michael Schaeffer) a little earlier, I think. Still we encounter so many ensembles where all violins, violas, celli, .. use gut strings but the theorbo/lute player has an instrument stringed with an ugly set of nylgut,, pvf, nylon and some gut diapasons. The "reintroduction" is surely not finished. Can't resist to mention the CD by serdoura where you wrote a translation of the foreword, anthony. Serdoura is an example of somebody who has his feet still in the starting of the 70s. No warm sound at all on this CD, still no use of gut strings. Ugly fingersounds rubbing over positions on the fingerboards like guitarplayers. The 70s are still present in our time. Well, the 70 had their charm too. Nice recordings by led zeppelin, pink floyd.. Taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: LUTE CDs Serdoura's Baricades + Lindberg Dowland
On Friday 23 January 2009, Anthony Hind rattled on the keyboard: > Oups sorry, that is a gallicism, (although it is ambiguous in French, > now you make me think about it). I have not completely acquired > French, and I have already lost much of my English, soon to be in an > interlingual no-man's land ... > Come to think about it, French visitors to the UK were almost as > surprised to find that fruit was sold per unit. > Anthony > Ah, now I understand what you mean: its a brilliant CD not from the UK, so we must <> the music. Well, there is some Weiss on the CD so it must be a bit heavier than a CD with only Saint-Luc or Gallot. How much lbs or gr is this CD? Lightweight ;-) ? Taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Vienna
On Monday 05 January 2009, Luca Manassero rattled on the keyboard: > Hi, > > in case you'll travel to Vienna in a VERY near future, do NOT miss the > Resonanzen festival (17-27 January) and especially the attached Early > Music instruments makers exhibition (17-18 January) at the Konzerthaus. > Further details on http://konzerthaus.at/hoehepunkte/resonanzen > (unfortunately in German only). > Where the text says "Historischer Instrumentenbau" (at the end of the > page) you can browse the makers list. > Stephen Barber & Sandi Harris are there every year, for example, with a > number of instruments to try. > > Saluti da Venezia, > > Luca > and also beautiful baroque violins and violas built by my wife Tanja Brandon http://www.brandonvioolbouw.nl End of commercial. Taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] nationalbibliothek vienna
Anybody familiar with visiting the Nationalbibliothek in Vienna? I will travel to vienna in january and planning to visit the library, but don't know how easy/difficult it is to make copies of manuscripts from microfiches etc. Any other pointers wrt vienna and lutes are welcome. I know there is a beautiful museum with instruments, but perhaps other interesting places etc. Taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Universale Strings
On Sunday 23 November 2008, Anthony Hind rattled on the keyboard: > > I agree that Kathedrale are very nice and not too over bright, but > Nick Baldock can't take visa or paypal payment. > From France bank transfers cost a minimum of 16 euro, and the forms > that have to be filled in are never ending, > and can't be done from home. > > Anthony > Hi anthony, that's strange. For payments made within the Europe Union banks are not allowed to charge for bank transfers. Just a quick search: http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/pri/en/oj/dat/2001/l_344/l_34420011228en00130016.pdf Article 3 Charges for cross-border electronic payment transactions and credit transfers 1.With effect from 1 July 2002, charges levied by an insti- tution in respect of cross-border electronic payment transac- tions in euro up to EUR 12 500 shall be the same as the charges levied by the same institution in respect of corre- sponding payments in euro transacted within the Member State in which the establishment of that institution executing the cross-border electronic payment transaction is located. Take that to your bank and ask them to explain the € 16,--. taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: The Online Lute Player
On Wednesday 19 November 2008, Stephen Arndt rattled on the keyboard: > On music not only evoking feelings but also forming the character of the > listener, see also (prior to Quintilian) Plato, "Republic," 376d-403c, > particularly 398c-403c. Music, however, at least in the Latin tradition, > was part of the "quadrivium" and thus one of the seven liberal arts, > understood as pursuits worthy of a free man as opposed to the mechanical > arts of a slave (cf. Augustine's treatise "De musica" or Isidore's > "Etymologiae.") (The "quadrivium" is also treated more or less explicitly > in the Republic, though the "trivium" is present there only more generally > as dialectic.) Despite its mathematical basis, as discovered already by the > Pythagoreans, music was not considered a science in the Aristotelian sense > of "episteme." > > Just a few recollections from my former life as a philosophy professor (I > hope that my early onset of senile amnesia hasn't caused me to misremember > anything). > > Stephen Arndt well, it depends on what kind of character forming Plato was referring to and for whom... Plato had terrible ideas of society structuring and music education was certainly not for women. The guardians/soldiers as most valued citizens needed of course this education (see below). well, in a modern context perhaps not that bad: give the soldiers for Afghanistan/Irac some cultural 'substance', perhaps they will start to understand something of the culture in the countries where they are to keep "peace". ;-) Your reference, I assume, is the following text (sorry, this is from internet which contains a typical 'christian' translation with references to single "God", a decent edition is at home): "And therefore, I said, Glaucon, musical training is a more potent instrument than any other, because rhythm and harmony find their way into the inward places of the sound, on which they mightily fasten, imparting grace, and making the soul of him who is rightly educated graceful, or of him who is ill-educated ungraceful: and also because he who has received this true education of the inner being will most shrewdly perceive omissions or faults in art and nature, and with a true taste, while he praises and rejoices over and receives into his soul the good, and becomes noble and good, he will justify blame and hate the bad, now in the days of his youth, even before he will recognize and salute the friend with whom his education has made him long familiar. Yes, he said, I quite agree with you in thinking that it is for such reasons that they should be trained in music………. Even so, as I maintain, neither we nor the guardians, whom we say that we have to educate, can ever become musical until we and they know the essential forms of temperance, courage, liberality, magnanimity, and their kindred, as well as the contrary forms, in all their combinations, and can recognize then and their images wherever they are found, not slighting them either in small things or great, but believing them all to be within the sphere of one art and study. Most assuredly. And then nobility of soul is observed in harmonious union with beauty of form, and both are cast from the same mould, that will be the fairest of sights to him who has en eye to see it? The fairest indeed. And the fairest is also the loveliest? That may be assumed. And it is with human beings who most display such harmony that a musical man will be most in love; but he will not love any who do not possess it. That is true, he replied, if the deficiency be in the soul; but if there be any bodily defect he will be patient of it, and may even approve it." Taco (another philosopher, although certainly not a Greek philosophy specialist) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: schmeltzer chaconne
On Tuesday 18 November 2008, Roman Turovsky rattled on the keyboard: > #4 has the Chaconne. > http://www.lysator.liu.se/~tuben/scores/schunfid/4unafid.pdf > RT > There is a beautiful recording by Romanesca with Nigel North on Theorbo and excellent "gypsy" interpretation on violin by andrew manze. Taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Kapsberger
On Monday 10 November 2008, Bruno Correia rattled on the keyboard: >A question about Kabsberger: > > > >Which would be the most apropriate instrument to play his lute works >(Intavolatura de lauto, 1611): a ten course lute or an archlute? > > A ten course lute. Piccinini and the start of archlute is a bit later, but it should not be a reason NOT to use an archlute. I would use the instrument which case is nearby or already in your hands. Taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: The enigma of Marquesa di Sala
On Tuesday 21 October 2008, Arthur Ness rattled on the keyboard: > > <> Isn't the publisher of Dieter's edition defunct? That is, > Gitarre + Laute Verlagsgesellschaft? > Hi arthur, There happens to be something called "musicologne Ltd" which links to http://www.gitarre-und-laute.de. Website musicologne.eu links to the same website. Ltd suggests something english , but the base is still germany. the strange thing is that it's impossible to find a link to order something and the "kontakt link" is not a link. A long time ago I found a telephone number of the owner in Germany and called him to ask how to order something. I sent the order by email with credit card details but the result was that nothing happened until I got a message from paypal that somebody tried to use my credit card with a new account. This was 100% sure this person. Of course he was not allowed to charge my card this way but didn't mail me either. They have this santiago di parma book and had a good facsimile of baron's 'historisch theor. untersuchung' but I still don't know how to order it without vague financial transactions. If somebody has any info how to purchase the last book, i'm very interested. Taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Respighi
On Friday 26 September 2008 17:16, Arthur Ness rattled on the keyboard: > - Original Message - > From: "Roman Turovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Paul Pleijsier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Arthur Ness" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "Lute Net" > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 10:26 AM > Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Respighi > > | POssibly because he doesn't want to quoted, for political reasons. > | The same ones another (the same?) lutenist isn't talking about the > | Melchiorre Chiesa archlute Ms. > | Same situation. > | RT > > ooo > You can imagine that there might be some further developments in Italy > about which we are unaware. "Politics" might very well be involved in the > selection of an editor and publisher for a facsimile edition, or maybe a > facsimile edition with a new (and better) transcription to replace > Chilesotti's. There would be big bucks in such an edition. Every music > library in the world would buy a copy, just for starters. > Big bucks? Even when libraries acquire a copy it's not big bucks. Printing facsimile editions is for a small group of publishers who love to publish a beautiful book, they never have big money in mind. This is even valid for expensive editions of Mrs Minkoff. Taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: new to the lute
On Thursday 18 September 2008 17:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] rattled on the keyboard: > Greetings to everyone, > > I've only joined this list a week or so ago and finally have worked up the > nerve to ask a few questions as a potential beginner. > > I play classical guitar at an intermediate level, although I have been > drawn to the lute for many years. And while I am thankful for the > renaissance and baroque lute repertoire which has been transcribed for the > guitar, I hunger for the opportunity to play them on their original > instruments. Cost, finding a suitable teacher, and the thought of cutting > my nails are all reasons I have not taken the plunge before now. My hope > is that you might help me with a few questions. > > First, I am torn between the Renaissance and the Baroque, making it hard > for me to narrow down my search for an appropriate lute (probably 8 course > renaissance or 13 course baroque.) As I am disabled and live on a fixed > income, cost seems to to be pushing me toward the 8 course. I'm sure > others have struggled with this question and I am curious about your > suggestions for a first lute. > > Next I wanted to ask about the inexpensive EMS lutes. Are they playable > instruments and what do they sound like? I know they have nylon frets (not > preferable), but that could be changed in time I suppose. I also wonder if > anyone has purchased a baroque lute from Rob Dorsey at Lutecraft.com and > what is your opinion. They seem to be quite inexpensive compared to other > Baroque instruments. > > Also, about the nail question. Are there those of you who play both the > guitar and the lute? I have found that I can keep my nails relatively short > when I play the guitar to good effect if I slightly change my angle of > attach. > > Finally, I am considering moving to the Asheville, NC area. Does anyone > know of good teachers in that area? > > Greetings once again! > Duffy > Hi, If you've a limited budget I would suggest you take a look at second hand lutes offered on the site of wayne cripps http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/forsale.html Opinions about the the lutemaker you can always ask on this list. It's often better to have an old quality instrument than a bad cheap new one. A good second hand is however not necessarily cheap. 8 course lutes are popular but there is actually not much music for this instrument although you can of course play almost everything until 1610 on this instrument. On the other hand many 8 courses are offered second hand, so there is more choice there. This question occurs many times on this list so you can find also answers in the archive of this list. A 10 course renaissance lute is actually already a baroque lute. I play on one but it's less suited for early renaissance and even Dowland, but the ideal situation is a costly business: 6 course, 7 course, 10 course, 11 course baroque, 13 course baroque, theorbo.. Welcome to an expensive hobby. Taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Yet another program.
On Sunday 07 September 2008 19:01, Herbert Ward rattled on the keyboard: > Here is a freeware Windows game which will exercise your > ear and fretboard navigation (Renaissance lute > tuning). > > It has various settings to make it challenging. > > Screenshot: https://ttt.ph.utexas.edu/ligScreenshot.jpg > > Executable: https://ttt.ph.utexas.edu/LuteIntervalGame.exe > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html But how can I shoot lutes into pieces? That's where games are for, aren't they? taco
[LUTE] Re: Books on the history of the lute?
On Thursday 04 September 2008 15:32, Jim Abraham rattled on the keyboard: >PGRpdiBkaXI9Imx0ciI+VGhhbmtzIGZvciBhbGwgdGhlIHJlY29tbWVuZGF0aW9ucy4gTm9 >3IEkg Yes that's also a very interesting book on history of the lute although the language is a bit of a problem. Taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Deep Purple
On Thursday 21 August 2008 11:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] rattled on the keyboard: > I just read an interview with Ritchie Blackmore, in German... > > He says: > > > Meine Leidenschaft war immer die Renaissance-Musik. > Nur wusste das niemand. Wenn wir nach den Purple-Gigs > ins Hotel kamen, habe ich mir nur solche Lautenmusik angehoert. > > > Renaissance Music has alwyas been my passion, but > nobody knew about it. When we came back to the hotel > after the Purple gigs I only listened to that lute music. > > [1]http://www.derwesten.de/nachrichten/kultur/freizeit/2008/8/20/news-70699 >796/d etail.html > > > > hehehehe! > Maybe it's time that Ritchie should bring out a CD with songs by Campion or Dowland. There is perhaps a croatian lutenist available to play the lute part. Taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Interesting data on lute sound.
On Wednesday 20 August 2008 19:33, Herbert Ward rattled on the keyboard: > In the past, I made several assumptions about the > volume of a lute as it is plucked. > > However, after making real measurements with > a microphone, computer, and sound-card, they > appear possibly false. > > Measurements are presented in this diagram > > http://www.ph.utexas.edu/~ward/structure.jpg > > The horizontal axis is time > The vertical axis is sound volume. > The music in the diagram is a series of > one-voice phrases, played on the second and > third courses of a double-strung lute. > > > Hi herbert, It's perhaps interesting to change it into a 3D plot where you put time on the Z axis and plot a changing fourier plot on x-y. Your assumption about 'not loudest immediately after the pluck' has much to do with string types. A gut string reaches earlier it's maximum than a nylon string, while sustain is less. Perhaps also a nice exercise. Taco (another lutenist working at a physics department) To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] ordering pegs
Does anybody have an address where to order lute pegs in Europe? Taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] archlute and utrecht early music festival
Dear all, If anybody interested in acquiring a quality archlute, have a look at waynes page: http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/forsale.html which lists my archlute. The instrument built by stephen barber/sandy harris has no wearmarks whatsoever and is topquality (especially beautiful wood used for the top). I need the money for something else. Price limited negotiable. --end of advertisement-- Just for somebody who happens to be in the Netherlands end of august: The early music festival in Utrecht will this year focus on Spain. The festival starts on friday august 29 and lasts until sunday sept 7. Several vihuela musicians, an exhibition and lectures. with the following players: hopkinson smith, xivier diaz-latorre, jose miguel moreno (solo and ensemble) and others. For more information see: http://www.oudemuziek.nl Taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute songs
On Wednesday 28 May 2008 06:04, Bruno Correia rattled on the keyboard: > I'd like to ask everybody about the role of the lute when playing with a > singer. Which are the aspects we should focus when doing the acompanniment? > > > As the lute is a very soft instrument with little or no dynamics at all, Bénigne de Bacilly wrote in his standard vocal tutor that neither harpsichord nor bass viol had the theorbo's grace in accompanying the voice. Such a statement is hard to combine with an instrument without dynamics. Taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Dowland's Books
On Wednesday 02 April 2008 21:53, Christopher Stetson rattled on the keyboard: > Here are links for the Dover editions: > http://store.doverpublications.com/048629935x.html > http://store.doverpublications.com/0486422445.html > > >>> Jeffrey Noonan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 4/2/2008 1:12 pm >>> > Take care with these Dover editions. They contain many mistakes and are difficult to read (even if you have excellent eyes) because the lute tab is printed in a tiny font. And because of the guitar staff there is again page turning problems.The stainer edition is much better but ridiculous expensive. The Broude facsimiles are still the best editions and very readable. Taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Dowland's Books
On Wednesday 02 April 2008 08:23, Omer katzir rattled on the keyboard: > Does any one know where i can buy/download Dowland's books? The > versions on the net are written for 8 or more course while I'm playing > 7 like our not so dear Mr. Dowland. > > Need it for a project. > > Thank you all and have a really nice day! > Hi, an often used edition is the Diane Poulton edition with the collected music (almost complete, and some pieces which are - I think- not by dowland).Published by faber & faber. (with horrible staff notes, so lots of page turning) Can be found on amazon and many musicshops will have it in stock. Don't forget to take a large wallet. The pieces by dowland are for a mix of lutes sometimes even a 9th course is used. This is because all the pieces come from sources where people arranged it for the lute available. If you have only a 7th course lute available than play the piece on this lute and transpose the bass notes which are too low. Guitarists also play dowland and they have only 6 strings What dowland himself played is almost certainly a mix of lutes. The only published pieces by him were his super popular lutesongs and they also ask for an 8 course lute. Taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Stephen Barber
On Friday 22 February 2008 11:36, LGS-Europe rattled on the keyboard: > MH wrote a free publicity leaflet for Stephen & Sandi's website, but forgot > to add a link. Here it is for those of you that are left in the dark about > the couple and their great (and smaller) instruments: > > http://www.lutesandguitars.co.uk/ > > And while I'm at it, let me add that their instruments are a joy to play, > not just to look at. And whatever the by now historical argument about size > versus pitch/tuning of therobos, Stephen & Sandi's smaller theorbos are no > toys but hold their own in the world of grown-up musicians. I play one, I > know it works. > > David > I second that even as a not grown-up amateur. What I especially like about the theorbo "own design" of stephen and sandy is that they have a excellent projection, at the same time not too large which would prevent playing de Visee or whatever, and excellent sound. These instruments just work very well in orchestras, small ensembles, or solo (I know, because they built three instruments for me). taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Songs by Women Composers
On Thursday 14 February 2008 17:48, Jelma van Amersfoort rattled on the keyboard: > I just thought of two other pieces: > > 1 - Songs of Sundrie Kindes, tenor and lute, 12', originally from > Oxford University Press but now on sale from Allegro Music > (www.allegro.co.uk). I rather like the music by Tate that I've played > so far. Tenor should translate easily to mezzo-soprano. > > 2 - There is a lute piece by Dutch female composer Tera de Marez Oyens > (1932-1996), maybe with voice as well? I can't remember the name. It > is published by the Dutch Luitvereniging, whose website appears to be > offline :-( Maybe David van Oijen has seen this piece and knows if it > is playable and attractive. > > Best wishes, Jelma van Amersfoort > Another one: music by Dawn Culbertson who died in 2004. I got many years ago a few japanese pieces from her for lute and voice. taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: possible SPAM (score 6.4) Re: a liste-machine
On Friday 01 February 2008 13:26, Roman Turovsky rattled on the keyboard: > It has NOTHING to do with Outlook. Don't waste your time. > I've noticed that McAphee antispam sf didn't do much good, and Norton did > little better. All of them were passing spam, and dumping legit mail into > the spam folder. > > The ONLY solution is to get a GMAIL account, and have your Outlook access > it on POP. Google's spamfilters are really quite good. > RT > You are wrong. The message id contains dollars signs which are always added by outlook client programs. In itself such id's are no problem, but some server (yahoo) wraps it in another header without outlook as x-mailer and this results in a typical spam email, because many spam emails work like this. This is reported as the "Ratware" and "msgid_dollars" lines in the spamassassin report. so, outlook is indirectly the problem. taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: possible SPAM (score 6.4) Re: a liste-machine
On Friday 01 February 2008 09:38, Rob rattled on the keyboard: > There are many problems related to these lists and rejected emails. I > received an email from Wayne yesterday saying I was top of the list of > people rejecting my emails - over half of the list members don't see my > mails. That might be their choice of course! They might have blocked me > deliberately. However, trying to be less egotistical about it...Wayne > mentioned that more and more of us are buying software to protect our > computers from viruses, and this is causing communication problems. With > the majority of subscribers not receiving emails, I would say these lists > are no longer functioning properly. We might need to consider > alternatives... > > Thoughts? > > Rob > > www.rmguitar.info > > All you emails are left in my spam mailbox. The reason is not wayne's mailing list or anti virus software but your mail client. Use thunderbird instead of outlook and this problem disappears. taco The FNWI Mailserver identified the attached message as possible unsollicited email (SPAM). The message originated from "Rob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content analysis details: (6.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description -- -- 2.8 RATWARE_OUTLOOK_NONAME Bulk email fingerprint (Outlook no name) found 1.9 RATWARE_MS_HASH Bulk email fingerprint (msgid ms hash) found 1.7 MSGID_DOLLARS Message-Id has pattern used in spam To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Karamazov
On Friday 25 January 2008 14:47, Stewart McCoy rattled on the keyboard: > Dear All, > > I have been told, I hope reliably, that, if, at the time of Dowland, you > wanted to attack an army of soldiers armed with muskets, you would first > send a small group of soldiers ahead to draw their fire. Before the enemy > could reload, the rest of your army attacked them. Needless to say, the men > in that small group stood little chance of surviving. They were known as > the Forlorn Hope. It comes from the Dutch "verloren hoop", meaning "lost > troop", but translates conveniently into English, because those soldiers > had a forlorn hope of surviving. > This is from wikipedia and I'm not sure if it's correct. The dutch word 'hoop' means 'hope' but can also mean a pile of something. So it's a double meaning. taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Karamazov...
On Friday 25 January 2008 07:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] rattled on the keyboard: > Roman Turovsky wrote: > > http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=rVWvfnGpF-Y > > Very good and activating provocation, Roman. You really made the list > talk about important and interesting matters. Well done and thanks for > that! > > And then of course my personal opinions (aren't opinions always > personal?). Two views, a) about what I hear, b) about what I see: > > a) The musical performance: I think K plays the piece in a very > guitaristic (in the 20th century sense) way, vertically, not > horizontally More often than the melodies he is playing the chords. This > reminds me remotely the way Glenn Gould played some of Bach's polyphony > as impressionistic chord progressions. I guess K has very good > technique? If he really has, I just wonder why he chooses to play the > melodies (well, those fragments in between his chords) not legato, but > most often portato. To my ears his melodies (the fragments) also often > lack direction and shape. Some notes are actually quite crude and in > some notes the sound is nearly absent. > > b) The video: To my taste the video is a horrible mixture of spooky > B-class movie and a coffee advertisement in TV. I can see that they have > tried to be deep and profound. But to me they have only achieved a > parody of profoundness; I laughed when seeing the video first time. Sorry! > > All the best, > > Arto > Haha a down to earth analysis. I think it fits nicely with the sting interpretation of dowland of what I saw on youtube. Suppose K. had played in a way that everybody on this list would have said 'Wow, super historical correct and played so nice'. Wouldn't that be very strange? It reminds me somehow of these horrible reproductions some people have on the wall of a crying child. taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: loaded are HERE!
On Saturday 19 January 2008 11:19, Anthony Hind rattled on the keyboard: > Dear Lutists > The new-old loaded strings are finally here ! > http://www.aquilacorde.com/catalogo8.htm > > Through new technology, Skype, mail, and the Web, these last months I > have been following the exciting final stages of the rebirth of this > ancient technology. > Mimmo Peruffo’s persistent and painstaking research, worthy of a > whole team of archeologists, seems to have finally pierced its > mysteries. > > Here is Jakob Lindberg’s lute, just next to that of Sieur Charles Mouton > http://www.aquilacorde.com/Mouton.jpg > http://www.aquilacorde.com/Lindberg.jpg > > and here is one single string, folded as in some ancient images > http://www.aquilacorde.com/loaded%20gut.JPG > > Regards > Anthony Thanks. Interesting. Finally the solution to get rid of my last gimped string on my 10 course lute. 2 experimental loaded gut strings my dan larson are still working fine after at least 2 years. Taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: List confusion
On Tuesday 18 December 2007 13:30, Roman Turovsky rattled on the keyboard: > This has nothing to do with your Microsoft Entourage. It is a VERY NICE > setting that prevents our innermost unflattering opinions escaping into the > list. The italophone lutelist works the same way, for the same reasons, > based on ample PRECEDENT. > RT > All sourceforge mailing lists (thousands) do not work like this and a reply to a newsgroup is also default the newsgroup and not the person. I understand your point and it's also the opinion of Wayne I've understood, but it's not the common way how mailing lists work on internet. taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lauffensteiner
On Tuesday 18 December 2007 05:22, David Rastall rattled on the keyboard: Hi david, I think you refer to the austrian edition Musik alter Meister, Akademische Druck und Verlag Graz, 2 präludien und fünf Partien für Laute with staff and tab. Don't know if it's still available. Taco > Dear Wisdom, > > I've been looking for an edition of the works of Wolff Jacob > Lauffensteiner, but without success. I know an edition exists out > there somewhere, because I used to have a copy, but somehow mislaid > it. Does anyone know where that edition exists, or how I can find > his music? I'm not looking for a freebie (except of course if one is > available...). ;-) > > David R > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Italian texts - help needed
On Monday 17 December 2007 11:23, LGS-Europe rattled on the keyboard: > Rob > > What a work, especially when you could also spend your time playing your > new lute... > > Just some thoughts: > - Alfabetto is not always in agreement with the suggested harmony (or even > figures when printed) in bass and melody. > - There are more ways of figuring a Kapsberger song, so writing down an > editorial figuring might suggest to an innocent continuo player that that > is the only correct one and consequently constrain his discovery of other > possibilities. > > Hence I prefer to see the bass only, if no figures were in the original. I > like to make up my own mind. > > With Kapsberger the picture is diverse: Libro Primo of the Motetti > Passeggiati have just a bass, Libro Secundo with Arie a bass with a few > figures, Libro Primo with the Arie Passeggiate a bass and written out > theorbo tab. The Villanelle Libro Primo have bass, theo-tab and alfabetto, > Libro Secondo bass, a few figures and alfabetto, Libro Terzo a bass with > more figures, theo-tab and alfabetto and Libro Quarto is like Libro Secondo > again. The music not published by Spess I have only seen in transcription, > but the books listed here give enough insight in Kapsberger's harmonical > world to figure out the figures for yourself, and as a player I prefer that > above an editorial figuring in this music. > > Keep up the good work, Kapsberger wrote some beautiful arias and jolly > villanellas. > > David I can only fully agree with David here. If you play for example some of the kapsberger toccatas you see some very daring chords (those super chords where the 10course toccata 3 and 6 start for example...). This gives an idea how Kapsberger accompanied such songs. The songs with theorbo tab gives you the proof. figuring of kapsberger songs is something much more complicated than a simple alfabetto. Not to speak about those songs which will not fit in modern typesetting because of the number of notes etc. Taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: arciliuto romana (was: New literature)
On Friday 07 December 2007 12:01, LGS-Europe rattled on the keyboard: > Ivo and Lynda write that a regional instrument was invented from the > 1660 instead of the theorbo: the arciliuto romana in g (without re- > entrant tuning) with a string length on the "petit jeu" of 71-73 cm > (a'= around 380-386 Hz). > << > > That is interesting! > > A quick calculation for the first string comes to something close to 0.40 > gut (if I'm correct). That makes sense with today's knowledge/experience of > string making/using that 0.40 or a little thinner is about as thin as you > can get, within safety limits. Or was the calculation the other way round? 71cm with a minimum string diameter of 0.40 gives an a of 380Hz? Question remains how somebody would play with other instruments tuned at 440 or 415, if not a horrible 466 Perhaps by making a mental switch and think that your instrument is tuned in something else? > > Was this a newly invented instrument, or just a smallish theorbo, like many > of us have today, tuned in g instead of a, like many of us do today, and > with as few re-entrant strings as possible, like many of us have today? > What I mean to ask is, is it a different species of theorbo, or just a > smallish 'normal' one, strung to its possibilities? Philosophical question, > perhaps; what defines a new species of theorbo? Anyway, interesting to see > today's practises copied in the past. ;-) > > David - theorbo of 76cm tuned in a, with two re-entrant strings, 415 or 440 > as needed, but next week 466! (don't tell him yet) 466, ough. Why do they make such decisions... Violinplayers almost never choose different string diameters, so they will like it too. taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Swanneck & Weiss?
On Sunday 02 December 2007 18:33, Daniel Winheld rattled on the keyboard: > One thing I haven't seen anyone address re the swanneck- fingered > accidentals on courses 9 - 11. How are you folks dealing with these > situations? Up an octave, or eliminate those pieces from your > repertoire? Dan I have a swanneck strung with gut (see website of stephen barber and sandi harris http://www.lutesandguitars.co.uk/ ) and yes, especially Weiss has in (fortunately) very few pieces a fingered accendental on low courses. In most cases it can be solved by transposing. If you listen carefully how robert barto solves these weiss passages on his jauck, you will note that he also transposes these notes. Taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: So...i cant take the lute with me :-(
On Wednesday 28 November 2007 18:32, Omer katzir rattled on the keyboard: > And for three days (27-29.12) i'm going to be alone in brussels. > Any one knows about good lute concerts there in those dates? > > damn... I'm going to miss my precious Francesca. > > And if i mentioned her name... any one knows where i can find tabs > > for Francesca Caccini works? (yes, my lute name is after her) http://ace.acadiau.ca/score/facsim5/caccini/site.htm There are no "tabs" of these works. You need to play continuo. Taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Barber/Harris Site
On Monday 26 November 2007 12:30, Steven Amazeen rattled on the keyboard: > Hello all, > > Is the Barber/Harris site http://www.lutesandguitars.co.uk/ offline? > > I have tried for several days, however I keep getting a network error > message. > > Thanks, > > Steve > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html It's working and certainly not offline taco
[LUTE] Re: Is 8c really the standard?
On Monday 26 November 2007 11:34, Mathias Rösel rattled on the keyboard: > There is at least that print by Simone Molinaro, Venice 1599 (facsimile > available from S.P.E.S.), if memory serves. It is a large collection of > pieces, entirely written for the 8c lute. A few pieces require a 9 course instrument if I remember well. But basically it's indeed for 8 course. Taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: de Visee - contreparties
On Sunday 25 November 2007 21:58, Mathias Rösel rattled on the keyboard: > Dear Collected Wisdom, > > on their CD with duets by de Visee and Corbetta (Naxos), Eric Bellocq > and Massimo Moscardo have recorded two suites by de Visee, totalling 12 > movements. Only three of those twelve contreparties can be found in the > Saizenay ms. Does someone know whence the others were taken? I presume they are from the two other paris manuscripts with Visee theorbo music. I don't like the recording at all and the CD is on a 'to be sold' pile. taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Magdeburg lute
On Thursday 15 November 2007 15:48, Arne Keller rattled on the keyboard: > In 1591, Fynes Moryson visited Magdeburg. He wrote: > > > > " In the Church > > that lies neere the market place, there is a Font of great > > worth, and a Lute painted with great Art:" > > > > What would the name of the church be? And does it still have its remarkable > lute painting? > > I assume it's a painting of two lutes with the soundboards pressed together. ;-) Taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Xmas ensemble
On Monday 05 November 2007 16:20, Ed Durbrow rattled on the keyboard: > Any recommendations for Xmas music for violin/ viola da gamba and Ren > lute/B. guit? Gig coming up in a department store in December that > calls for a few Christmas tunes. > > Ed Durbrow > Saitama, Japan > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html I played a few times French christmas music by Charpentier en de lalande with gambas, lutes and traverso players. Very nice music. Any combination of instruments is possible. taco
[LUTE] Re: )Re: Lute iconographic project - a proposal]
On Sunday 04 November 2007 23:10, Edward Martin rattled on the keyboard: > Thanks for pointing this out, Art. As you know, I happen to live in Duluth > (Minnesota, not Georgia), as does Dan Larson. > > As I am a lutenist who does happen to have recordings, it bothers me when > my recordings are copied without consent. But, in this particular case, it > was tried in federal court in Duluth, and if I recall, the defendant > resides in Brainerd, which is about 100 miles from Duluth. The verdict > happened about 3 weeks ago. The young lady who was found guilty is a > single mother with 2 young children, and she earns $30,000 annually. She > will never be in a position to pay off this hefty fine. If my > understanding is correct, she shared popular song downloads, ripping off > the record companies. > > I really feel sorry for her, as although she is guilty, in my opinion, the > punishment exceeds by far the nature of her crime. In our times, it seems > to me that individual people who are plaintiffs in civil cases quite often > have their cases thrown out of court, even when they have a legitimate > case. On the other hand, if the plaintiff(s) are large corporations, the > courts seem to "beat up" the little guys (gals). > > Money talks. > > ed > You are absolutely right on this, ed and compared with other crimes this punishment is certainly wrong and imho typically for the US. The sharing of downloaded stuff is often not recognized by many people: one uses a torrent and downloads some music, text or software but already during the download and afterwards the sharing starts. After a complete download depending on the torrent client, the object is moved into a folder which is not always easy visible. It could very well be that this woman was not even aware of sharing song downloads, but that's difficult to prove and she certainly had not the money to get a good lawyer. Taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: historical lute stringings
> Dear all, > just a new work on the lute historical stringings: > http://www.aquilacorde.com/lutes.htm > Maybe it help to open some new excange of ideas... > Ciao > Mimmo > > Interesting article and I'm very much interested in the new production of the loaded gut strings even after yesterdays experience with a small concert with a soprano in amsterdam: after a walk through drizzling rain, tuning in a relative warm room which was filled later with people wearing wet clothes and temperature rising to a hot and super humid level. I think that not many people understood my frustration when I answered a question from a listener why I had to tune after every song. When are these loaded gut string available? Anybody already experience with these strings from Aquila. (especially: How do they stay?) Taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: reader
On Wednesday 10 October 2007 14:34, Anthony Hind rattled on the keyboard: > Also, it doesn't appear to work for MAC, or am I wrong there? > Anthony > No, it's intended for people still using this stupid microsoft outlook which has not the capabilities of a modern client application which combines all these things. It's from a russian company by the way. Russia, freeware People asking for problems should definitely install such programs. Taco > Le 10 oct. 07 à 12:50, Henk Pakker a écrit : > > Hello all, > > > > I have sent this earlier, but do not see it posted, so again: > > > > This reader could be of use for this and other forums? > > > > http://www.snapfiles.com/get/wfreaderlite.html > > > > Greetings, > > > > Henk Pakker > > -- > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Johann Georg Albrechtsberger
On Tuesday 24 July 2007 11:39, LGS-Europe rattled on the keyboard: > >> PS: Italian for jew's harp is scacciapensieri, beautiful word. > > > > which means "drives away the thoughts" , so not only beautiful also > > better. > > AKA blows your brain out. Try it, and soon you're suffering from > hypervenitilation. hence the name? ;-) > > David The italian word 'scacciadenti' would be even more appropriate perhaps. taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Johann Georg Albrechtsberger
On Tuesday 24 July 2007 10:09, LGS-Europe rattled on the keyboard: > > Albrechtsberger's work requires an instrument in D. (low D required from > > 6th course). > > As far as I know from my hands-on experience, he wrote for d' as well as e' > tuning. The concierto in F-major (1770) is for 8-course mandora in e'. I > tried to play it on my d' instrument, would save me the use of a capo, but > it was really for e', so I gave in. > > David > > PS: Italian for jew's harp is scacciapensieri, beautiful word. > which means "drives away the thoughts" , so not only beautiful also better. Taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Nigel on YouTube
On Thursday 19 July 2007 09:28, Eric Crouch rattled on the keyboard: > Can anyone explain the meaning of the title 'Solus cum Sola' and the > next piece in Poulton 'Solus sine Sola'? > > Eric Crouch Hi, the easy answer is 'the mail and the female alone' as the meaning of the first, but that doesn't say much. Point is where the title comes from. I read an explanation a long time ago that it came from a well-known book in Elizabethan times which had something to do with a lover trying to get into a bedroom of a girl. Don't know the details anymore. It was different from Poulton's explanation which is doubted (she thought it had to do with a reference to a philosopers text if I remember well). Sorry not any details, but perhaps somebody knows more about it. taco > > On 18 Jul 2007, at 22:47, Jim Abraham wrote: > > The longer one is "Solus cum sola", Poulton #10. > > > > On 7/18/07, Alain Veylit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> This may have been answered already: which piece exactly is Nigel > >> playing? > >> Alain > >> > >> Ed Durbrow wrote: > >>> Thanks for posting this. Wonderful. Very interesting how he is so > >>> free with his right arm. > >>> > >>> On Jul 8, 2007, at 12:22 AM, DANIEL SHOSKES wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qIigZZb4ME > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXb3zih2umw > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >>> > >>> Ed Durbrow > >>> Saitama, Japan > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ > > > > -- -- University of Amsterdam, Faculty of Science Drs. T.R. Walstra Valckenierstraat 65 1018 XE Amsterdam, The Netherlands Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 0031-20-5255730 Web: http://staff.science.uva.nl/~walstra
[LUTE] Re: zero volume MP3 files
On Monday 16 July 2007 16:32, Charles Browne rattled on the keyboard: > Dear all > has anyone made any zero volume spacer files in MP3 format that they would > be willing to share? I am trying to put some pauses in a continuous loop > playlist that has no means of separating items on the list, apart from > inserting MP3 files with zero volume but with defined times eg 2/5/10 > minutes? > many thanks > Charles > Install Audacity which is available for linux, mac and windows. It's an excellent free open source sound editor. You can generate silence with it as a separate file or add it to existing files and save as mp3 or whatever you like. http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ Taco > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Kapsperger or Kapsberger?
On Tuesday 22 May 2007 07:46, you wrote: > Speaking about Kapsberger: Does anybody have an electronic version of the pieces of Libro 3? The book came in possession of some american library several years ago after been missing for many years. Taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: help finding theory book's
On Friday 13 April 2007 07:15, Omer katzir wrote: > i mean theory from the medieval and earlier to the end of the > romantic period > > i have enough books for modern and jazz music, but im looking for the > "good old stuff" > books in english or in hebrew. > > thank you all! > Donington - the interpretation of early music superb book. taco > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Pesne
On Sunday 01 April 2007 11:38, you wrote: > Dear List, > I think on the painting there is a real lute played by the beautiful lady. > I think the reason for the strange stringing is that the sattle and the > distance between the strings was changed to fit the smaller fingers of a > young lady. > do you think the red color of the bass strings is because they are wound > with copper? > I counted 13 frets - not unusual. > > regards from austria, > peter > The red color could be from loaded gut strings (mercury or whatever) as can also be seen on the famous mouton painting, although antoine pesne is already late baroque, so perhaps wound strings are possible too. The right hand suggest a low string tension. Nice to see that this hand position is also used for these late baroque lutes. Interesting painting! Not just the lute, the silk dress is also painted very nice. Taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Weiss?
On Tuesday 27 March 2007 18:41, you wrote: Hi, There is a mirror site here: http://www.xs4all.nl/~paulduif/luth-librairie/ taco > Thanks for responding, David and Markus. > > I have been printing out and playing through the suites in the London > Manuscript one by one, and I am still not able to open the London > Manuscript from http://luth-librairie.ifrance.com nor Jean-Daniel Forget's > page from http://www.slweiss.com/index.php?id=5&type=slweiss&lang=eng, > though the Moscow Manuscripts seem to work from both. Any ideas anyone? > > Thanks, > > Stephen Arndt > > - Original Message - > From: "Markus Lutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 9:26 PM > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Weiss? > > > Hi Stephen, > > the adresses have changed. > > On the Weiss-page I have the current adresses - I hope they work for you: > > http://www.slweiss.com/index.php?id=5&type=slweiss&lang=eng > > > > Best regards > > Markus > > > > stephen arndt schrieb: > >> Hello! > >> > >> I receive the message "page cannot be displayed" for both Jean-Daniel > >> Forget's and Richard Civiol's complete Weiss collections. Is anyone else > >> having this problem? If so, does anyone know what happened to them? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Stephen Arndt > >> -- > >> > >> To get on or off this list see list information at > >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] saint luc edition
I just got a paper with new publications from the music shop saul groen in amsterdam. They list a new book with collected lute works by Saint Luc, 330 pieces, 300 pages. Anybody familiar with the edition? Taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Aging wood outdoors.
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 16:41, you wrote: > This is not extremely lute-related, but maybe there are enough > people here interested in wood ... > > I once saw a photograph of an outdoor yard in NYC where > Steinway had wood aging. > > I always thought that exposure to the elements was > for wood a detriment, being, say, one reason why people > paint their houses. > > No the wood has to dry very slowly. The end of our european holiday trips is always a short visit to Mittenwalt in southern germany to buy wood which my wife uses for violinmaking. They keep all their trees slightly wet and dry it very slowly. The final pieces are in the attic and depending on the price and wood quality it's super dry or just dry. Taco > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] lutesong question
Does anybody have the score (with tablature) of the following? Thomas Ford: Faire, sweet, cruell. Robert Jones: Go to bed, sweet muse. Giles Earle's Songbook: Why dost thou turne away. tab, pdf, scan. Everything is welcome. Taco Walstra To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Re:
On Sunday 11 March 2007 00:15, you wrote: > > Le 10 mars 07 à 21:51, Edward Martin a écrit : > > > > I do not know, as I have not used Baldock strings, and I am > > unfamiliar with > > Aquila gut, with exception of the loaded strings, which I dislike, > > as they > > are false. > > > > ed > > Yes, I note that most lutists only use them on open courses. It seems > that if they are not stopped, this is less of a problem. There was > also an indication on Dan Larsen's site that careful orientation and > positioning of loaded strings could be helpful in counteracting their > falseness. At one time, Dan Larsen mentioned that he would be selling > tungsten loaded strings, and tungsten wound strings. they never seem > to have been commercialized. > > http://www.gamutstrings.com/calculators/calculator.htm > > "Tungsten Dense Gut: > This string is made with the Pistoy twist with tungsten metal dust > infused into the gut in order to add weight to the string. Therefore > these strings are thinner than the equivalent weight of plain gut and > the Pistoy construction insures maximum flexibility. For a table of > Tungsten Dense Gut string weights and approximate actual diameter, > click here. > These strings require special handling for installation. Because the > distribution of the metal dust throughout the string cannot be > regulated exactly, there are sometimes false sections within the full > length. Therefore a technique has been developed to chose the best > part of the string to install on the instrument to insure the best > and most true section for playing. This process is described on the > page "Installing Dense Gut strings"" > Regards > Anthony I'm using two of these strings on my 10 course. They were experimental strings and sound great, diameter about the same as a gimped equivalent. And I can say that they do not become false. Unfortunately Dan stopped with the process. Taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Passacaglia for theorbo
On Sunday 25 February 2007 18:13, you wrote: > On occasion of her 305th birthday, Alessia Aldobrandini gave me a new > piece, "passacaglia per tiorba". Tab and midi on > > http://www.webalice.it/dg3011/index.htm > > enjoy! > > ( A version for baroque lute will follow) and perhaps the youtube version... ? taco > > Donatella > > > http://web.tiscali.it/awebd > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: mertel
On Sunday 28 January 2007 19:51, you wrote: > Hi to all, anyone know where to find some tablatures of elias mertel? > I've played only a prelude (the #93 I think)and it's very beautiful, so if > anyone can mail me something or send me an url where i can download them, > I'll be grateful. (is all its music suitable for a 8 courses or does need > more?) > Thank you all > Davide > You can find some on my website with abc files: http://staff.science.uva.nl/~walstra/ABCArchive/ the music needs sometimes a 10 course lute, but any renaissance lute will do fine when you transpose a few bass notes. There is a very nice facsimile by Minkoff with a 'nice' price too :) Still recommended. Taco > P.S. For who wants, I'm online with the radio now for about 2h! > > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: YouTube - Luit
On Friday 26 January 2007 00:59, you wrote: > Meant: COME to this... > RT dont' know the guy, but looks he's sitting in the arrivals hall for cruise ships in amsterdam taco > > > It has to this- > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InEMps0ws10 > > RT > > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > _ > Need personalized email and website? Look no further. It's easy > with Doteasy $0 Web Hosting! Learn more at www.doteasy.com
[LUTE] Re: jane pickering MS
On Monday 11 December 2006 11:43, you wrote: Many years ago there was a shop in Dublin who got the last stock of jane pickering from boethius. Only sheets, not bound, and they have bound them in hardcover themselves. I got a copy of pickering this together with the ML book, but I'm afraid it's not available anymore, nor do I remember the name of this shop. Perhaps it's mentioned somewhere in waynes archives of 5-7 years ago. Taco > I believe Boethius was taken over by Severinus Press. However when I > asked Severinus recently if they could get me the Marsh Lute Book and > the Brogyntyn Lute Book I got an e-mail which said: "These works have > been transferred to Ruxbury Publications, of Scout Bottom Farm, > Mytholmroyd, HX7 5JS, UK". > > I don't know whether this applies to all the lute MS that Boethius > used to publish, but I suspect it may. They seem to run a print on > demand operation. Their correspondence comes headed "The Recorder > Magazine" at the same address, and though they don't seem to publish > an e-mail address, they seem to be the same people as > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (again judging by the postal > address). Easiest to give them a ring on +44 (0) 1422 882751, as they > don't seem to be very communicative otherwise. > > Eric Crouch > > On 11 Dec 2006, at 09:30, LGS-Europe wrote: > >> - has Jane Pickeringe's MS been published elsewhere? I can't find > >> it, so > >> perhaps the answer is no... > > > > Facsimile by Boethius Press 1985. A good library will have it for > > you, and > > I'm sure someone on the list will be able to tell you who took over > > Boethius > > and might still have some copies in stock. > > > > David > > > > > > > > David van Ooijen > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > www.davidvanooijen.nl > > > > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: New Lutenist Question
On Wednesday 15 November 2006 13:21, you wrote: Stewart, You are right. Isn't it amazing pieces like tombeau de mr comte d'logy by Weiss in d flat minor (if I remember well) were not written down in staff and later translated into tabulature, just directly tablature. Kind of mental switch I don't possess. As a player you will not like to play this piece in staff notation/original key by the way. Taco > > One difficulty I experience with staff notation is coping with key > signatures, especially if there are lots of accidentals to remember. > It is so easy to forget which they are, and accidentally play a > wrong note. Tablature spares you that embarrassment. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Totally Off-topic: Symbolism in J.S.Bach
On Monday 13 November 2006 06:05, you wrote: You might read Musik als klangrede by Nikolaus Harnoncourt (Baerenreiter Verlag). Or if you can't read german 'Music as speech, ways to a new understanding of music'. Lots of examples like Howard just mailed. Taco > Dear Luters: > > This is a lengthy post that has nothing to do with lute playing at > all. But I would appreciate your input, as you are the only folks I > know to ask. Possibly it's better if you would reply off-list. If > you do, I PROMISE not to publicize your responses! > > I've been singing on-and-off for some years now with a choir that > specializes in the music of J.S. Bach. Along the way of singing with > this group, I've heard a lot of talk about symbolism in Bach's > religious music, and I would like to know where some of these ideas > come from. > > I can see that certain things are obvious: ascending lines > representing man's reaching up to God; and descending lines > representing God's reaching down to man. No problem. I can see the > antique/modern symbolism, as well as the potential for word-painting, > inherent in juxtaposing the old-fashioned polyphonic style with the > regular Baroque style of vocal composition; or the subtexts involved > in Bach's use of chorale tunes and cantus firmus in his choral fabrics. > > Stuff like that I have no problem with, but I do have a problem with > such ideas as: the block chords in the "cruxifixus" of the B Minor > Mass representing the hammer-strokes of the nails being driven into > Jesus's hands. Where does that come from? Some kind of 19th-century > "program" perhaps? Or the notion that the bass lines in general in > Baroque religious music represent religious faith. Who came up with > that idea? > > The thing is that after 25 years of learning and playing the lute, I > sometimes wonder if there must be some kind of spiritual/religious > subtext operating in all music we think of as "early music," whether > it be secular or sacred. Perhaps in earlier centuries, unlike today, > there was little emphasis placed on the dichotomy of sacred vs. > secular. Perhaps in fact ALL ascending lines represented man > reaching up to God, and ALL descending lines bespoke God reaching > down to us. What do you think? Any ideas? Reply to me off-list if > you wish, as this is not exactly lute-related. > > Thanks, > > David Rastall > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.rastallmusic.com > > > > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Jakub Polak: I got IT!
On Thursday 19 October 2006 13:41, you wrote: >Dear all, >thank you for your help in this *funny* matter. >For unclear reasons I got the book today (it had been shipped around >September 10th...) >I would still suggest to PWM to improve their communication with the >customer... >Ciao, >Luca Unless the origin of the delay is not in poland. Didn't they make always jokes about the incredible postdelays in Italy? :) Nice to hear by the way that it arrived, I still want to order a copy. Taco To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
