[LUTE] Re: You obviously haven't heard...
Alain, Standardization of both grammar and spelling were going on in that period, and Ben Jonson was paramount in that movement with respect to his book English Grammar. So you will see for a time different spellings (son vs sun). But the pronunciations would be similar. As for the alphabet being deficient for sounds, this is one reason linguists (i.e. Crystal et. al.) turn to the International Phonetics Alphabet. If you look at Crystal's web site, http://originalpronunciation.com, you will find examples of Shakespeare written out in IPA. I will also remind everyone that Prof. Crystal is a most gracious man and very happy to chat in email about this subject. He is also amenable to making flat recordings (flat meaning no vocal intonation to denote interpretation of how a line should be acted or sung, but only the pronunciation of the words in mostly monotone) of any text you might want translated to OP. I have worked in plays where he recorded the entire play for the benefit of the actors. Regards, Craig > On June 8, 2019 at 1:53 AM Alain Veylit wrote: > > >I was puzzled that the printers of Dowland's First booke of songes >consistently spelled "sun" as "son" - in spite of rhymes that would >indicate a -un sound to a modern reader. Spelling varies in that same >book from one part - altus, tenor etc. - fairly frequently. But this >seems to be a consistent typo - or an obliterated pun on words in >modern editions? > >Sometimes the alphabet is a very deficient way of representing sounds >- we use the same one in French and English ... - and it seems to work >without rhyme or reason (sans rime ni raison). In spite of the best >scholarship available. > >Alain > >On 6/7/19 6:04 PM, Timothy Swain wrote: > >You obviously have NOT heard of David Crystal's OXFORD DICTIONARY OF >ORIGINAL SHAKESPEAREAN PRONUNCIATION published by Oxford in 2016 (the >400th anniversary of Shakespeare's death). A very respected scholar, >his son has become an expert on Shakespeare. David has authored many >texts, including ones in his own fields of study. As David says, "This >dictionary has been over ten years in the making. I downloaded an >electronic edition of the First Folio in December 2004, once it became >apparent that the initiative of Shakespeare's Globe to present plays in >original pronunciation (OP) was going (forward)..." >You can see his son, Ben Crystal, wax eloquent on Shakespeare through >several entries on YouTube. Ben Crystal is quite an accomplished >scholar & a visiting scholar the world around, including our own USA. >And the book is the first OP production, Original Pronunciation (which >is NOT the never-achievement it has for so long presumed to be!). David >Crystal is remarkable! >I am tired of the incessant deluge of emails from some people that >should know better. They reveal their ignorance of a vital subject. >(May it be said that is does NOT apply only to Shakespeare!) More >restraint is urged! >From an old man (who hereby betrays his own considered silence). >Timothy Swain > >-- > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >-- > > References > >1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
[LUTE] Re: Renaissance rhyme
Prof. Crystal relies quite a lot on Ben Jonson's English Grammar. Applying that to Shakespeare (and his contemporaries) he has come up with a reasonable hypothesis as to the Early Modern English dialect of the 16th and 17th centuries. Regards, Craig > On June 7, 2019 at 11:23 AM Martyn Hodgson > wrote: > > >Yes, this is a fairly common view - but I what's the reasoning and >evidence for it? >MH > >On Friday, 7 June 2019, 16:18:42 BST, Helen Atkinson > wrote: >Yes - from what I've learnt from Richard Rastall and others, it's >'keu-ind' and "weu-ind" ... a bit as they'd say it in the west country. >Helen >On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 at 14:35, jslute <[1]jsl...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: > > Dear Martyn and All, > According to the Crystals, "wind" would be pronounced something > like > "woind" or "woynd." Ben Crystal helped with one of my theater > group > productions a couple of years ago. > Jim Stimson > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > Original message > From: Martyn Hodgson <[2]hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Date: 6/7/19 3:30 AM (GMT-05:00) > To: howard posner <[3]howardpos...@ca.rr.com>, LuteNet list > <[4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>, Ed Durbrow > <[5]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp> > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Renaissance rhyme >I suppose the question is not so much which words rhymed, but > which >with which. >For example was 'wind' rhymed with the modern pronunciation of >'find/mind' - or did 'mind/find' rhyme with the modern 'wind' > ? >An early spelling of 'winde' and 'kinde' might suggest the > former - > but >do we/you know? >MH >On Friday, 7 June 2019, 03:10:03 BST, Ed Durbrow ><[6]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp> wrote: >On Jun 7, 2019, at 9:10 AM, howard posner > <[1][7]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> >wrote: >> >>> On Jun 6, 2019, at 3:56 PM, Ed Durbrow > <[2][8]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp> >wrote: >>> >>> wanted to know which word changes so that winde and kinde > rhyme. >> >> If you're asking which word is pronounced as in modern > English (in >what accent? Australia? Mississippi?) the answer may be > neither. >No I'm not asking that. >> For what it's worth, in Shakespeare's sonnets: >> >> Wind (in the sense of air blowing) rhymes with find and > mind. >That is the information I was looking for. Thank you Howard. >Campion was a contemporary of Shakespeare, so good enough. >Still wondering if there is an online resource to find such >information. >To get on or off this list see list information at >[3][9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >-- > References >1. mailto:[10]howardpos...@ca.rr.com >2. mailto:[11]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp >3. [12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >-- > > References > >1. mailto:jsl...@cs.dartmouth.edu >2. mailto:hodgsonmar...@cs.dartmouth.edu >3. mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com >4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu >5. mailto:edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp >6. mailto:edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp >7. mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com >8. mailto:edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp >9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > 10. mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com > 11. mailto:edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp > 12. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
[LUTE] Re: Renaissance rhyme
There is no online resource that I am aware of. However Prof. Crystal is quite accessible and if you email him and lines you curious about, or even just a couple of words, he will probably be quite happy to respond. Often on Shakespearean works, from monologues to entire plays, he will send a flat recording of the pronunciations. He has done this for productions I have been in that we did entirely in OP. Regards, Craig > On June 6, 2019 at 7:27 PM Ed Durbrow wrote: > > > On Jun 7, 2019, at 8:15 AM, Craig wrote: > > > The thing with Early Modern English rhyme is that it doesn't match modern > > English. You should look at the work being done by Professor David Crystal > > on Shakespeare's Original Pronunciation. > > Yes, I know that and know about the Crystals’ work. I was asking if there is > an online resource for Early Modern English rhyme. > > > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Savarez Strings
Dear All, I am looking on line at a new set of strings for my classical guitar, in particular the Savarez New Cristal Corum strings. I looked at all the information available but nothing tells me if the bass strings are flat wound or wire wound, only that they are silver plate. Do any of you know? I would prefer flat wound as I'm trying to be rid of that squeak as my fingers slide over the wire wound basses. Thank you. Regards, Craig Allen -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bella Gezma - Lute maker
The first lute I purchased back around 2000 is a Bella Gemza. It was in a music store on consignment and I knew next to nothing about lutes at that time except that I wanted to play one. It is an 8 course lute, huge and heavy, similar in weight to my Guild F50-BL guitar, that being about 2 to 3 times the weight of any other 8 course I've played. I have taken some photos of it if you have some place I can email them for archival uploading. I don't recall if this list allows file uploads. If it does let me know and I'll just attach them on another email. The lute has metal frets on the finger board, and wooden ones on the body. The peg box has a rider for the chanterelle and very large ebony tuning pegs. It also has a gilded metal rose. All the wood used is very thick, attributing to its weight, even the belly is thicker than one normally sees. I think the body is rosewood, and the belly is some kind of spruce. It has a very deep tone, almost what one hears in a theorbo or bass lute. Beyond knowing that Gemza worked out of Cleveland and was mainly a maker of guitars I know nothing of him. Somewhere I have some newspaper clippings that came with the lute but having moved several times over the past 18 years they are likely in a box in storage. The history of this lute as I was told by the music store owner is that it was built on commission with another similar instrument by a fellow who later decided that rather than play the lute he wanted to restore antique cars and so was selling these instruments to raise money to but parts. Please let me know where I can send the pictures if anyone is interested. Regards, Craig Allen To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Star of David
My guess would be that it is just a fairly common geometric pattern and has nothing to do with Judaism any more than the fylflot used in motifs in India and other cultures has anything to do with Nazism. It's just that when we see that star we think of it as a Mogen David, just as we see a swastika rather than merely a fylflot. Regards, Craig -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Boston Catlines Website
Thanks all. Appreciate the assistance. Craig -Original Message- From: Christopher Stetson [mailto:christophertstet...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 10:31 PM To: 'Lute List' Subject: [LUTE] Re: Boston Catlines Website You are correct, Terry. Apologies. On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 10:25 PM, Terry Muska <[1]tmu...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: I believe that should read [2]catli...@aol.com Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 19, 2016, at 8:47 PM, Edward Martin <[3]edvihuel...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I think the web site is down, but you can reach Chris at: [4]catli...@apl.com. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 19, 2016, at 8:22 PM, [5]co...@medievalist.org wrote: >> >> Good evening everyone. I've been trying to find the Boston Catlines >> website which, according to the BC Facebook page was put up in 2017. >> But for some reason it's not coming up at all and I get redirected to >> my ISP's search page. Has the website been taken down or perhaps the >> name changed? Thank you. >> Regards, >> Craig Allen >> >> -- >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- References 1. mailto:tmu...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu 2. mailto:catli...@aol.com 3. mailto:edvihuel...@gmail.com 4. mailto:catli...@apl.com 5. mailto:co...@medievalist.org 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Boston Catlines Website
Good evening everyone. I've been trying to find the Boston Catlines website which, according to the BC Facebook page was put up in 2017. But for some reason it's not coming up at all and I get redirected to my ISP's search page. Has the website been taken down or perhaps the name changed? Thank you. Regards, Craig Allen -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Fall (vol. 34 no. 3) Not Yet Available
Hi Nancy, My email was giving me fits earlier today so if you've gotten this multpile times I'm sorry. Anyway, your email reminded me that I need to inform you of a change of address for me. I've moved again and the new address is: 1584 Hopewell Rd Port Deposit, MD 21904 Thanks, Craig -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: When Daffodils Begin to Peer
Thank you Ron. Appreciate the tips. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: When Daffodils Begin to Peer
Perhhaps it was merely social commentary given the nature of the lyrics of the song. ;) Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] When Daffodils Begin to Peer
Dear collected wisdom, Does anyone have or otherwise know where I can find the music for the subject song? Thank you. Regards, Craig Allen To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: When Daffodils Begin to Peer
Thank you, and I'm sorry but I wasn't specific enough. I would like the music in tablature or standard notation. I have Dr. Duffin's book and both accompanying CDs. I just need the music notation itself. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Larry K. Brown
I don't have his address, but he's on Facebook. Craig >-Original Message- > > Does anyone have a current email address for Larry K. Brown in > Asheville, NC? > Thanks, > Michael To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Holbein
Martin, Try this page from Art Web. http://www.wga.hu/art/h/holbein/hans_y/1535a/5ambassa.jpg Hope this helps. Regards, Craig Allen To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Irish Lute Music
Dear Collected Wisdom, I know there is a body of Scottish lute music out there, but I am wondering if there is any that came out of Ireland and where I might find copies of same. Thank you all in advance. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Irish Lute Music
Thank you to all who have responded and either sent links or music. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Converting tablature to grand staff
Tobiah wrote: I'm able to do this with Finale to some extent, but it feels as though I'm expending too much effort in the process. Are there any other favorite computer tools for doing this, or do people just sort of convert on the fly with their eye? Try Fronimo written by Francesco Tribioli. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Liturgy
That was very nice, John. Thank you for sharing that. C To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lyrics by Skaespeare
Wim, If you are referring to the songs that crop up in Shakespeare's plays, Dr. Ross Duffin has a lovely book researching that very subject called Shakespeare's Songbook. There are two CDs available with the music being played and the songs sung (the first is available comes with the book, the second is available seperately). You can find it on Amazon here: http://www.amazon.com/Shakespeares-Songbook-Ross-W-Duffin/dp/0393058891/ref=sr_1_4?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1412561284sr=1-4keywords=music+of+shakespeare This book is, in my opinon, a definitive body of research. Regards, Craig Allen To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Instrument Maker Search
Collected Wisdom, I have a friend in Wormer who's nephew is interested in learning to build instruments. He wanted to start with a violin but she convinced him to start more simply and work on a dulcimer. She is wondering if there are any luthiers or other instrument makers in the Rotterdam or Amsterdam areas who would be willing to take on an apprentice. The young man currently works for a bank in Amsterdam but may be moving to Rotterdam if he gets a new job, so he's in a bit of flux. I told my friend I'd ask around and pass on any information to her. Thank you all in advance for your kind help. Regards, Craig Allen To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: 2014
All the best to everyone for the coming year. May it be filled with music. Craig Allen To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Dear Collected Wisdom, I have a friend who is looking for a facsimile of the Squarcialupi Codex. Does anyone know if this is available anywhere? Thank you, Craig Allen To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Squarcialupi Codex
Sorry, forgot a subject. Dear Collected Wisdom, I have a friend who is looking for a facsimile of the Squarcialupi Codex. Does anyone know if this is available anywhere? Thank you, Craig Allen To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lawrence K Brown
I hope he's all right. I'd heard he had health problems but no details on that. He's a good man and a talented luthier. Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Ebony Pegs Redux
All, The discussion of pegs going out of round is interesting, but it isn't addressing my original question, which was whether ebony was used in pre-1600 instrument building (or for that matter what other woods would have been used in lieu of ebony) and if there is any documentation off this which I can get my hands on. I'd appreciate any information on this subject. Thank you. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Ebony Pegs
Thank you, Daniel. That's greatly appreciated. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Ebony Pegs
Collected Wisdom, I know that today we know there's too much silica in ebony to use as tuning pegs, but I'm curious as to whether using ebony for pegs was a period practice pre-1600? Can anyone point me to appropriate documentation on the types of woods used on stringed instruments prior to 1600? Thank you as always. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Hamlet is Banned
adS wrote: http://blog.inkyfool.com/2013/08/hamlet-is-banned.html?m=0 Angels and ministers of grace preserve us from the politically correct. Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Instrument Question
I was watching a video on Youtube of Christina Pluhar and l'Arpeggiata in concert and there is a bowed instrument I did not recognize. It looks like a very fat viola da gamba with diapasons and a very wide and intricately carved peg box. It is just behind Ms. Pluhar being played by a woman in a red shawl and you can see it best at about the two minute mark. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_vrBLedI9Elist=RD02-axPu3qNEXA I'm just curious about this instrument and what it's called. Thanks. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Instrument Question
Thank you, Pieter. Yes, that looks to be what it is. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Instrument Question
Thank you, Mark. Have a great time playing your concert. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Mechanical Pegs
Bruno asked: and where can those pegs be bought? Being from the old school,with lutes built in 1980, I haven't always followed up on the lates innovations... http://www.pegheds.com/ Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: My First Lute
Chris, I took a look on eBay just on spec to see what was out there based on your email on this subject. I know nothing of the quality but at first blush, the Roosebeck 7 course seen here - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Roosebeck-7-Course-13-String-Rosewood-Travel-Lute-/170833947206?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item27c67f2a46 seems to look of considerably better quality than what was out a few years ago. This of course doesn't mean it's a good lute or even playable. I recall many on this list who bought one of the early ones made in the Mid East complaining that they needed serious re-working. But the price is not bad at less than $500 dollars. Naturally caveat emptor. On a related search I came across a listing for plans that were allegedly drawn by Giuseppe Tumiati (www.lute.net). Is anyone familiar with these plans and can anyone speak to the quality or authenticity of them? Regards, Craig Allen To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: My First Lute
Howard wrote: Apart from the obvious caveats: Doesn't travel lute mean flat back? Yes, I agree. The nomenclature they use seems a bit ignorant, not meant in the pejorative. I think I saw an 8 course descant lute too by them. And importing rosewood may be a problem because most varieties are endangered. Is there a moratorium or other proscription in the US on importing rosewood? I wasn't aware if there is. Please let me know as I have an opportunity to get some and don't want to break any laws I'm ignorant of. Thank you. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: My First Lute
Thanks Eugene. Apparently the Justice Dept. here in the US is including Madagascar rosewood when it enforces the Lacey Act. Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute Song by Raymond Scott
Ed wrote; I just ran across this reference to a musical called Lute Song by Raymond Scott in a blurb about a film about him called Deconstructing Dad. http://scottdoc.com/ Later in the 1940s, he wrote the music for the Broadway musical Lute Song, which starred Yul Brynner and Mary Martin. I'm curious as to what it was about and if there are any lutes in it. Ed, I found this on Wilkipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lute_Song_%28musical%29 Apparently the story takes place in China so the use of lute is arbitrary. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: New post
Tom wrote: Will my grandchildren stare in wonder at them like I did 78s? Speaking of which, I need to unbox my old turntable and start cleaning up and ripping that collection of 78s of Stefan Grapelli and the Hot Club Quintet of France I got from my parents. Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: James Oswald's ''Twelve Divertimentis for the Guittar''
What lovely music, and you have such a delicate touch on the instrument. Thank you for sharing these pieces. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Nazi rules for jazz performers
Every year I visit my mother for Christmas and make the annual pilgrimage with her to our old church for Christmas Eve services. In the last several years they have had a fellow playing music prior to the beginning of said services as parishioners are coming in to take their seats. He is playing all the familiar traditional Christmas hymns, but... on a hammered dulcimer. Now I have heard some lovely music played on the hammered dulcimer, but regrettably this fellow's Christmas samples are not among them. With but two hammers he tries to hit every note and chord he can possibly hit as quickly as he can, chasing down the melody with one arpeggio after another until every string on the instrument is ringing sympathetically and the whole sanctuary is vibrating to the cacophony. To say it is horrendous is an understatement as it is often actually painful to the ears (at least mine, which are sensitive to loud or discordant sounds). I have only known one player of the hammered dulcimer to actually have a damping device built into a custom made instrument. She puts one foot on a spring loaded pedal and when she needs to quiet the strings, all she has to do is lift her foot and two felt lined dampers rise against the strings. It is quite effective. Would that this fellow had such a device on his instrument, or learned a more judicious use of arpeggios, or better yet, took up the lute. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Vivaldi
Does anyone have a copy in lute tablature of the guitar part of Vivaldi's Concerto in D Major? Thank you in advance. Craig Allen To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Flow My Tears
Happy New Year one and all, Would anyone have a copy of Dowland's Flow My Tears in Fronimo file format they'd be kind enough to send to me? Thank you in advance. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Flow My Tears
Thank you Chris. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: . http://www.klassiskgitar.net/?
Anthony, I tried it and received a notice that the account was suspended by VodaHost, apparently the hosting site. Regards, Craig -Original Message- From: Anthony Hind [mailto:anthony.h...@noos.fr] Subject: [LUTE] Re: . http://www.klassiskgitar.net/? There was a problem due to the link I think. I was trying to say that the site in the title is not working. It had an excellent database of plucked instrument iconography. Does any one know if it is a temporary fault. I think this has happened in the last week, or so. Anthony To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Theorbo by Nic. Nic. B. van der Waals for sale
The difference between me and a mad man is that I am not mad. - Salvador Dali those who dance are thought mad by those who don't hear the music Anon When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained. Mark Twain To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: was something, now vinyl
Daniel wrote: The best thing for cleaning some records- even alleviating small scratches- is Vick's Vaporub. Doesn't seem to work as well if the recorded music is post 18th century, however... so if it ain't Baroque, don't Vicks it. Ow, ow, ow! Enough Earth man, I'll tell you anything you want to know. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: tune the tuna
Joe wrote: why a shin - didn't he just spread fingers i and m apart and a shin would have to have three twigs? Puzzled and probably misinformed, The thumb out was the third twig. In an interview Nimoy said he got the idea from seeing a Rabbi make this same hand gesture when he was in the synagogue. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Reportage (was Re: Aarrrgghhhh!!!)
Dear Jim, et. al., While this is not the forum for political rantings, I can not in good conscience let some of these comments go unanswered. And you, Jim, also know that I respect you and consider you a friend even though we have some fundamental disagreements on this topic. Which is why we never discuss politics but only make music, something we can both agree wholeheartedly on and that transcends politics. Jim wrote: Fact-checking takes time, and editors must be paid, so accurate reporting is time- and labor-intensive. Today's blogosphere, which rewards unschooled right-wing loudmouths who spew half-truths and worse, has no interest in that. To be truthful, and after all isn't that what we all want, this is not limited only to the right wing blogoshpere, nor the right wing as a whole. There are many on the left who are rewarded quite handsomely for publishing their half truths and lies. Film makers who produce alleged documentaries and former Vice Presidents who claim to have invented the Internet and be the Fount of All Knowledge regarding global warming come immediately to mind. In short, you get what you pay for. Online articles are sometimes by non- experts and are not edited, but they're free. Everyone wants things free nowadays but complains when it does not meet their standards of accuracy
[LUTE] Re: Persephone
Sean wrote: How about Harke all you ladies that do sleep The fairy queen Proserpina bids you awake and pite them that weep, You may do in the dark what the day doth forbid, Fear not the dogs that bark; night will have all hid. #19 in the Rosseter/Campion book, 1601 Thank you Sean. Is there a current publication of this book? Or a facsimile? Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Persephone
Mathias wrote: Are there any Renaissance lute songs, or songs to which lute could be adapted, that deal with the theme of the myth of Persephone? Persephone is in Latin texts also known as Ceres. The story is about her wedding with Pluto, god of Hades. Ceres is allowed to return to the world of the living once a year. Her return is to be realized by the sprouting of corn (cereals). Another alias is Proserpina. In general, Persephone / Ceres / Proserpina is the keeper of life-spans, so to say. You may colour your hair, but scit Proserpina canum (Martial), she knows the grey-haired. Hope that helps a little. Thank you for the response, however I was looking for Renaissance period songs about the myth of Persephone/Proserpine/Ceres, daighter of Demeter and Zeus, and her marriage to Pluto/Hades, Greek god of the underworld. Sorry for not being more clear. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Fronimo / pdf file question
Sean Smith wrote: Hi folks, I tried to send a pdf of a Fronimo file to a person who didn't have Fronimo. They couldn't read the file because they didn't have the fonts in their computer and the free pdf making program I use (CutePDF Writer) doesn't embed the fonts for the end user. Does anyone know of a free program that embeds the fonts when creating the pdf file? I will send this along to the Fronimo group too. Sean, I use Ghostview, available here; http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/ You'll need to install a Postscript printer driver so you can create the initial .PS file from Fronimo. Gsview then exports the .PS file into a .PDF. I have used it mostly with Finale which also has its own fonts, but no has ever reported a problem reading the resulting PDF file. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Spam
Leonard wrote: About the spam from Amsterdam (ooh--a poem!)--Has anyone determined whether or not it is toxic? I'm running Mac OS X and virus updates for it are few and far between, so perhaps I'm safe. It would be nice to have warning, however, if anyone knows. I don't know if it's toxic or not as I caught it on my ISP's web client and never let it hit my PC. However if you're running a Mac you very likely don't need to be concerned. This appears to be an email virus of some sort that has grabbed Arthur's address book and propagated. A rule to the wise, email by an of itself can not contain a virus. Attachments on emails can and this is how they're propagated. But they don't work if you don't open the attachment. Some email is getting clever with embedded html that upon opening the email goes out to a site and starts reading your PC. This is where a really good firewall comes in handy, and I suggest redundant software and hardware firewalls as well as anti-virus software. This is what I use and my system has remained clean. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Facets on a solid lute mould
Dana wrote: Go library and look for books on lofting, an aspectof Naval Architecture. Years ago I learned how to read a table of offsets from the book Sensible Cruising Designs by L. Francis Herreschoff. From such a table one can scale a boat hull (or lute bowl) to any size. It's a useful skill to have. But I think I'll avoid building a lapstrake or clinker built lute. Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Le jeu de Robin et Marion
Dear Collected Wisdom, I am look for as much material on Adam de la Halle's Le jeu de Robin et Marion. I have found several CDs of the music and am in process of purchasing them. However I would dearly love to have a facsimile of the folios. I have found a collection of the miniatures from the folios here; http://toisondor.byu.edu/dscriptorium/aix166/ However the pictures of the full pages are too small and can not be enlarged without significant degradation of the image. Slatkine Reprints in Geneva has a reproduction in 1983 but I haven't been able to locate a reference for it on their site. I will be contacting them directly, but in the meantime I thought I'd talk to you all as well. I'd appreciate any and all information for locating a facsimile and/or a reproduction or translation. Thank you all. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Fantasie
Dear Neill, I have his Fantasia #2 in Fronimo. Is that the one you want? Regards, Craig At 11:36 AM 3/6/2007, you wrote: Hi, Has anyone got A Holborne's Fantasie in written form ( .pdf, fronimo etc ) Regards Neil W -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Is there a non-spruce topwood in your past/present/future lute?
Eugene wrote: ...German Spruce (the fact that there is no such thing any more notwithstanding. German Spruce all comes from the Moravian hills, theCarpathians and Ukraine.) German, Italian, alpine, European, whatever spruce... These are all colloquialisms for the same species, Picea abies. In the US Engleman spruce, Picea engelmanii, is often used. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Why re-entrant tuning?
Mark wrote: Hi, what do you mean by gittern with wire strings ? Sorry, I meant cittern.I always get those two confused. The ones I've seen have had re-entrantly tuned wire strings. If you are talking about the cittern then the tuning of the cittern probably has something to do with plectrum playing. It is often quite usefull having the melody notes on the outside strings. I believe Monica mentioned her experience with this. Thank you. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Historical amplification
Dear Stewart, Stewart McCoy wrote: However, I haven't pursued it, because 1) I find it hard to keep the lute steady, when it is on the table, and there is no need at home for the sound to be amplified. That would appear to be a major concern. Chris mentioned that the other position shown in paintings is the lute trapped between the edge of the table and the body of the player, though he admits that one must be careful not to damage the lute top by pressing to hard. 2) Extra volume would be useful for public performances, but I don't fancy carrying a great big table around every time I have a gig. No, I suppose carrying a small dining room table around would be a bit inconvenient. However I did talk to Chris and Phil Rukavina, also of the VLQ, and I am in the process of designing a table for them that can be knocked down flat for easy stowage and carrying but would look nice on stage and fit well for the quartet. They currently play around tables when in concert but are usually stuck with metal and masonite cafeteria tables which don't resonate at all. What I am designing would be four distinct sound chambers built into a graduated arc and attached to each other to make one contiguous table. Assembly would be a sort of pintle and gudgeon affair of blocks and pegs. The table tops would overhang the back by enough for the players to comfortably put their knees in close and not have to lean over to get the lute to the table. Sorry if the description is a bit vague, drawings would better illustrate what I mean. Imagine the arc formed by half an octagon but with the angles less severe so that the curve is more shallow. I will be starting work on the prototype late next month and will be making several trips up to NY to Chris' for him to make tests and suggest alterations. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Right hand
At 06:11 PM 7/6/2006, Roman Turovsky wrote: To put an end to all silliness apropos what what Pat deems to be the safest way of plucking, I made a small page UNDER EXTREME DURESS. So this is what Pat advocates, make no mistake about it, absolutely no hooking: http://turovsky.org/collapsing.html That's Great! Thank you Roman. I obviously misread the quote about bending the fingers and recalled the conversation at the Lute Fest and confused the two. The mind starts to go after a while. But thanks for the graphic. I may want to set that as my Windows wallpaper, with appropriate permissions for such use granted of course. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Protecting the unfinished top (table)
Rob Dorsey wrote: First, I'm a bit surprised that the soundboard had no finish. Lots of the historical instruments had a finish on the board to preclude handling stains and what we hope was wine/beer damage. However, the fix for yours is probably what most historical instruments in fact had, simple bees wax. I don't know if beeswax was or was not used on Renaissance or earlier lutes, but I de recall reading a citation from period describing what the Italians called white varnish. This was simply glair, a substance made from egg white. I know several calligraphers who recreate illuminated manuscripts who use glair as a base for adding gilding, and David van Edwards talked about its use as a varnish for lute tops in his Renaissance lute building course (but I can't find the citation just now). To make it simply separate several eggs and place the whites in a bowl in your refrigerator for a few days (reserve the yolks to make creme brule which has nothing to do with varnish but can be enjoyed with a nice glass of Port while listening to your favorite lute recordings). The whites will separate further into a watery substance and a viscous substance. Save the watery bits as this is the glair and toss the rest. Brush it on sparingly and evenly and let dry. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] ISO Ellen Hargis
Does anyone have an email address for Ellen Hargis or would otherwise be willing to pass this on to her please? Thank you. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] What is it?
Greetings All, I know this isn't a lute or even a stringed instrument, but can anyone identify this instrument in this illumination from the Cantigas? http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/cantigas/images/cantiga_9.jpg I can't tell if the half moon piece below the pipes is part of the instrument or some kind of fabric banner-like decoration. Thank you, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: The lute builder as woodworker.
Caroline Usher wrote: Lute builders do turn pegs but furniture makers may turn table legs on more than one axis, plus design or copy balustrades with complicated profiles and so forth. And a luthier will not be inclined to use a Holtzapffel lathe. Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: The lute builder as woodworker.
David Rastall wrote: On Apr 3, 2006, at 6:25 PM, Herbert Ward wrote: ...are there areas of cabinetmaking, carving, modeling, etc which require interesting knowledge that a lute builder doesn't need? In reference to modeling, specifically shipmodeling: even though It's possible to build a model ship without ever actually having put to sea, wouldn't some sort of sailing experience constitute part of the accomplished ship modeler's stock in trade? It depends on whether one is building a static or a working model. Having done model ship building of both types the actual sailing bits don't come into play till you start putting on functional rigging and so forth. And of course a model reacts much differently than the full sized one because no matter how hard you try you can't scale the wind down to the size of your boat model, so knowing what a full sized boat would do on the water and why is certainly a plus when building a working model. However in comparing boat building to lute building the practices are very similar in that what you're building is a plank on frame boat hull with a really long and oddly bent prow or bowsprit if you will. But for designing a lute mold one could easily use a table of offsets just like a shipwright would to get the curvature just right at each station along the keel. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: The lute builder as woodworker.
Herbert wrote: Aplogies to those who find this slightly off topic. Does a good lute builder know everything about fine woodworking? Or are there areas of cabinetmaking, carving, modeling, etc which require interesting knowledge that a lute builder doesn't need? There are whole areas of cabinet making and joinery that a luthier never needs, and apart from a decent band saw or table saw there are almost no power tools necessary to the craft of lutherie. Planes, chisels and some really good chip carving knives for the rose, a glue pot and a heated bending form are just about it. I may have missed one or two items that I'm sure the real luthiers out here will correct me on. Clamps. Definitely some clamps. Some of the tools are specific and may have to be built. David van Edwards would certainly be, IMO, a definitive source for kitting out a shop properly. I hope he chimes in. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: April is in my mistress' face
Dear Stewart, To be honest I don't know what edition our director got this from. He's transcribed his score into a music program and printed it out in larger type without all the incidental comments of the publisher and/or composer and that's what we're singing from. He mentioned the July/truly pronunciation to us in order that we sing it that way but gave us no further insight into the origins of the direction as written on the score. While I have a copy of SB's edition of Morley's First Booke of Ayres, April is not in there. I see that SB sell an individual sheet of this song and I'll have to see if I can get a copy. I'll drop a line to the von Huene Workshop in Boston to see if they carry it. Otherwise I'll order it direct from SB and just wait for the British Post to catch up to the U.S. Post. On a related note of pronunciation, I have sung the Boar's Head Carol with two different groups. The director of the first had us sing the first line The boar's head in hand bear I, bedecked with sage and rosemar-eye while the director of the second changed I to we and pronounced rosemary properly. I love language and am always interested in trying to figure out the pronunciations of period English within the context of whatever I'm reading, be it poem, song, play or document. Thank you for your comments and insights. Kind regards, Craig At 07:17 PM 3/17/2006, you wrote: Dear Craig, You could always play along with the choir on your lute . There is an intabulation of the lowest three voices of April is in my mistress' face in Lbl Add. MS 15117. It sounds as if you are using the Stainer and Bell edition with the blue cover. Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. You make a good point here, and as an example I give you the song April is my Mistress' Face. The choir I sing with is currently learning this one for performance, and the score our director gave us has a note at the bottom that claims the word July must rhyme with the word truly. I don't have the exact attribution from the transcriber of the score in front of me but ostensibly he makes a claim to this being correct for the period and context of the song. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: I saw my lady weep
Mrs. Krabappel: Embiggens? I never heard that word before moving to Springfield. Miss Hoover: I don't know why, it's a perfectly cromulent word. At 08:06 PM 3/16/2006, guy_and_liz Smith wrote: `When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.' Lewis Carroll - Original Message - From: Sean Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 4:16 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: I saw my lady weep It was a poor imagination that could think of but one way to spell a uuord. Sean To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Pastime with good company
My thanks to all who assisted me. I now have what I was looking for plus more than I expected. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Pastime with good company
Dear Collected Wisdom, Is there a facsimile of the original score for Pastime with Good Company and would you know where I might find it? Many thanks, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] A different 6 course question
Dear All, I've been away all weekend and have just caught up on the six course discussion. Since we're on this topic I'd like to ask if anyone prefers a six course with a wider neck. I have one of Dan Larson's Ricercare six course lutes. It's a lovely instrument with good sound and response. However I find that I often am hitting the strings in the next course lower course when playing. I have thought it was because the neck very narrow nearer the pegbox and of course I've also thought it might simply be my playing technique. But I got to comparing it to my guitars and wondering if perhaps the neck couldn't be made a tad wider, say half an inch, to alleviate this problem. Then I began to wonder if others ran across this problem and what you did about it. So then, have any of you players wanted a wider necked six course lute? Have any of your luthiers made a wider necked six course lute? How did it work out? Did it accomplish what you (and I) hoped it would? Thank you. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: For Bill -- Small bodied vihuela-viola-guitars come charango? -- was Re: Bad translation
At 04:53 PM 12/3/2005, Roger E. Blumberg wrote: Might that be a 3 or 4 string drone harp that he's playing --w/ a stick? I guess so, I don't know what it's proper name is. I've seen a few though, and also played with a stick. Stick-fiddle's too (no bow, a stick). Would this be where we get the phrase Oh, fiddle sticks. Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Completely OT [FISH]
David wrote: And the last time I bought a live eel I had to chase it through the kitchen, even after taking it's head off and spine out. David - lute player with guts Have you tried lutefisk for your musical dinners? From what I understand it's slippery, but you don't have to chase it down. :) Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Octave string question
David wrote: One has to explain everything: Home made bread is something many like, but for most it is too much trouble to make. Raw fish is pure, unprocessed food, but not to everybody's taste. There is some analogy with gut strings. That was my point. And one that was not missed by everyone. ;) I too bake bread from time to time and love good sushi or sashimi. But there are times when store bought bread is more convenient and poached or broiled fish is preferred. ;) Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Finale tab question
Hi Sal, Sal Salvaggio wrote: I'm using Finale and was wondering if anyone out there knows how to change the auto tab function from numbers to letters for french tab style - I seemed to have done it before - but I forgot what I did - Using the Staff Tool, click on the staff to open up the properties dialogue box. From there click on the Notation Style drop down window and select Tablature then click the Select box next to it. This opens the tablature dialogue box. In here you'll select the appropriate lute tab and then click the Use Letters box in the Fret Numbers section. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Fingering question
Vance and All, Here is the chord again, this time with the preceding measure and the rest of its own measure | f | f| |---|--| | | b| |---|--| | d | | |---|--| | c | d| |---|--| | a |d | |---|--| | | b| |---|--| Actually the two preceding measures are identical. This is from Milan's Pavan 1. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Fingering question
At 05:45 PM 11/6/2005, Mathias Rösel wrote: if 5 is your LH pinky and 3 is middle finger, I should say yes. And remember to get you the small axe with no more than 50 cm vibrating string length, so as to be able to do it :) Yes, 5 is the LH pinky and 3 is the middle finger. And thanks, the next lute I commission from Larry Brown I'll be sure to ask for a shorter VSL. ;) Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Aches and pains
My thanks to all who responded to my plea for info on what you do for the pains I described. I am checking out both the Trigger Point therapy as well as the Alexander Technique (I've written Jacob with some questions but I know he's a busy man playing concerts and attending to his lovely daughter). I will, on the advice of others, attempt to become more aware of my posture and the tension in my body as I play and hopefully this as well as one of the other two techniques will help. My thanks again to all. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Repetitive Stress Syndrome
Dear Denys and Vance, I have managed to find a teacher in the Annapolis area, about 20 miles from where I live in southern Ann Arundel County. Her name is Robin Gilmore and she is a dancer and has taught musicians as well as dancers and other performers. I've written her an email and she's responded so I'm going to make an appointment with her to discuss taking sessions with her. It's a bit more expensive than my old chiropractor, but from what you all are saying about the technique it should last longer than my sessions with any of my past chiropractors has. Thank you both for your advice and the dialogue you've had between you on this issue. Sounds like it's a good thing in general and will likely bring back some of the physical techniques I learned in my youth taking yoga and as an actor studying various body disciplines including a marvelous class on mime that had us doing incredible body isolation exercises. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Strings and necks
Good morning all, I have a string question, not related to type. I have been mostly working with my 8c and in the course of preparing for a concert have decided that the 6c would be better suited. I have not used this one very much as I usually play in a broken consort and the 8c provides good continuo against the recorders. But this upcoming gig will be solo background played against a dramatic monologue. That's the background and the whys and wherefores of the choice of going to the 6c. In the course of sitting down with this lute I have had some trouble with the 4th course. I had strung this in octaves and have discovered that when making certain chords I end up muting the entire course or just the lower, thicker string of the pair. So I have just this morning re-strung the higher with a matching lower string making the course unison instead of octaves. My questions are thus; 1) What is period, mid-16th century practice for stringing the 4th course of a 6c lute? Unison or octave? 2) What is the general preference among you all when playing on a 6c lute (or I suppose any lute in general)? And now a follow on question about the lute itself. I have noticed the few six course lutes I've seen have very narrow necks. I must assume that, since the makers of these have studied the extant lutes in museums, that this was the norm. However, I find the neck even thinner than my folk guitar and though I have small hands I sometimes feel my fingers are cramped together on the neck making it difficult to move smoothly from one progression to the next. The questions here are; 3) Have any of you here experienced this, especially those of you with larger hands? How did you compensate? 4) Have any of you ever commissioned or built a 6c lute with a slightly wider neck and could this have been done in period? On the latter half of that question I suppose one could assume that since most instruments were made to order this could be done. But conversely one can assume that most of the famous luthiers (Tieffenbrucher, Venere, et. al.) had shops filled with apprentices to mass produce to a standard model. It's an interesting question and I look forward to your thoughts on this. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: continuo
Dennis wrote: Hi folks, Are there any tutors for learning continuo on the theorbo? Hi Dennis, Nigel's books has already been mentioned as a definitive source for study. But if you're looking for a teacher I can recommend Doug Freundlich. Trouble is I don't know where either you or he lives so that may be a moot point. I want to say Doug is in the Chicago area. Someone else can probably correct me. Barring getting Nigel's book, which I highly recommend, seeking out a teacher in your area is the best thing to do. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: continuo
Dennis wrote: I see North's book is out of print. Any advice on where it can be found? You can find it used from Amazon.co.uk Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: OT: Old tools
Leonard wrote: I once met a violin maker who used glass for his scrapers. He would let a pane fall from vertical to flat on the floor, and insisted he was able to find among the pieces scrapers for any radius surface he was working. A friend of mine, a cabinetmaker who taught me much about woodwork, used to use pieces of glass as scrapers as well. He didn't go to the bother of dropping a pane of glass as he also did some work with stained glass windows and had plenty of broken bits lying about. No one has mentioned stone tools for cutting. In recent years some surgeons have used flint blades with great success. I believe the microcrsytaline structure of flint provides a much finer edge (no serrations) than metals. Perhaps a geologist/anthropologist can elucidate on this. I recall seeing a show on the Discovery Channel many years ago where an anthropologist enlisted the aid of a surgeon and a flint napper to try and recreate stone age tools in order to better study the tools our prehistoric ancestors used. The flint napper created some scalpels out of flint and obsidian and the surgeon went to work on some animal carcasses. The surgeon later evaluated the quality of the stone age scalpels to be as good or better (especially the obsidian) than modern ones. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Ownership
Carl wrote: I don't know how this came to be an inventory of lutes and cats, but... we just took in a stray mother with a litter of 6. That's cats, not lutes. (sigh) Good news is I recently finished repairing the 13c I built, and am now building a case for it. With all those cats you'll certainly have a nice repository for extra strings for the 13c. Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] catlines
Ok, I did a search on catlines. Someone suggested a nautical theme however in looking up various terms used aboard ships I found only ratlines, the rope ladders used to get crewmen aloft in the rigging. We see these most frequently on square rigged ships. I found nothing at all on catlines. Maybe Arthur will get more information out of Chris. Or someone could ask Dan Larson who makes gut strings. This is an interesting site he's put up on the subject of making gut strings; http://gamutstrings.com/string_making.htm Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Cat gut
Arne wrote: At 11:48 10-09-2005 +0200, Bernd Haegemann wrote: Anyway, the first (tortoise) lute was stringed with the totoise's intestines :) Dear Bernd, do you know the source of this entertaining legend? Dear Arne, This legend originates with the ancient Greeks. It's the tale of one of their gods, Apollo or Orpheus, who found a dead tortoise and strung it with the strings that were once the ligaments that made up its nervous system and thence the kithara was invented. This of course is not at all like the od Mongolian tale of the singing horse and the invention of the morin khuur (the horse headed fiddle). Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: ownership
Steffen wrote: just counted my lutes come to think of (assuming I'm allowed to do that) the old Chinese folk, who walk around - with lifted index, telling each other: if you own more than seven lutes, the lutes own you, ..well. - never mind! I've heard that with cats, but then it only takes one to own you. I have three (lutes that is, only one cat), two eight c. and one six, and a vihuela. Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Email Etiquette (was: Re: Re: V.)
Jon, Thanks for the info I already had. Having been a network engineer for the better part of 25 years this is old hat to me. The badly written software I alluded to was that operated by the individual senders as you pointed out, not the email server software Dartmouth is running. I also think I mentioned in my letter to Roman that I also approve of the [LUTE] in the subject header as it does indeed give one an extra datapoint on which to filter email. Sorry if I didn't make that more clear in my post to Roman. As for the Reply All vs. Reply to List only, this is a battle I've been fighting on this list for awhile because so many people simply don't take the time to edit their headers so that they post only to the list. I abhor getting redundant copies of email because of this laziness on the part of some people. I believe a couple years ago Wayne tried to change this but he is not the network tech in charge of the list server, only our particular list owner and does (and wants to do) as little maintenance as possible. Can't blame him a bit as this would certainly take away from his other activities, and I'm grateful for the gift of this list he's given us in whatever form it takes. The other annoyance of email lists it people who don't trim posts they're replying to. A single line in response to a single point in a long email followed by the rest of the email IMO inconsiderate. It's quite easy to select all the remaining unnecessary text and delete it with a single keystroke. Mailboxes fill up even with text and trimming posts is a consideration to everyone. But then too often people online forget the niceties common courtesy, making quite uncommon in the long run. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Lost in translation
I knew it was a bad idea. Just keep your fingers away from the keyboard. You don't need to get involved. Remember; beneath the calm, professional exterior of this list lurk all the subtle, interpersonal dynamics of a nursery school at recess. There'll be pork in the treetops before I give in again. Howard, does it smell like a sty to you? Where'd all this mud come from? Regretfully, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Transliteration
Someone wrote: So if one hears something on this list that one doesn't like people start calling each other by different names? What is this this is out rageuous! Why don't you adopt a kinder attitude Both you, and Roman, rather than calling people by a different name which seems to amusse both of you to no end, try ingaugeing in meaning full conversation! John Haskins My guess is that Wayne booted Michael after his last round of insults against Arthur and he's come back on a free email service in the guise of this John Haskins fellow. But that's just a SWAG. I believe it's the Amish who have the practice of shunning or Meidung. Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Fwd: Transliteration
Arne wrote: Could we please conduct the minutes of this list in French, or Danish, or Finnish, or some other civilised language, seeing that the English has gone so rotten? On behalf of the State of Denmark, pun fully accidental, Well done, Arne. I think that when the wind is in the west you truly know hawk from a handsaw. Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: cartloads of yew
Dana wrote: I think this has been discused on the lute list in the past, as I recall, Henry 8 required all men of england to practice at the butts so that England would have lots of archers; Yew bow staves were stocked at all the armories, along with the makings of arrows. Much of this yew was imported, if I recall corectly, from italy. I thought it was from Spain. And I also seem to recall something about it being a tithe. Must rummage through the archery books again. Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Lute Sighting
Leonard wrote: Last night's season finale of The Simpson's featured a lute solo by Otto, the school bus driver, at the Medieval Festival. He finished his set by bashing and burning his lute. The instrument appeared to be a very early four-course model. And I missed it? DOH! Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Anne Boleyn's last song? O Death, rock me asleepe
Charles wrote: Does anyone have a lute accompaniment to this song,ascribed to Anne Boleyn? If so, I would be grateful for a copy thanks. I've been looking for this as well. I know Ronn McFarlane did it with on his CD the English Lute Song, but I can't seem to find a copy of that either. If anyone who has the lute accompaniment could send it to me as well I'd be grateful. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Baroque guitar pegs
Andy wrote: Can anyone tell me where I can order a pre-made rose parchment and pegs for a Baroque guitar which I am building. This will be my be my second one, and since I was happy with the pegs I made I thought I'd but them this time You should be able to get pegs from any luthier who makes Baroque guitars. For the rose try Elena Dal Cortivo. http://www.parchmentroses.com/ Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: VERY OFF TOPIC (POLITICS)
Roman wrote: I wrote: You can have peace and you can have freedom. Just don't count on having them together. -- Robert A. Heinlein A recipe for Fascism. You appear to have missed the point. If you want to keep your freedom you must be willing to fight for it, and that tends to obviate peace. Many Germans in the 30's had peace, but at what cost? The Vichy French in WWII had peace, but at what cost? The Finns too had peace during WWII after they won their freedom from the Russians through capitulation with the Nazis. But at what cost? Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: recorder lute
Bernd wrote: I would like to play something together with a friend who plays the recorder. Are there any resources on the web for recorder (or just playable on a recorder) and baroque lute? Dear Bernd, I don't know about Baroque, but Schott publishes a nice set of Dowland's Lachrimae for lute and SATB instruments. The set includes books for the lute and one each SATB as well as a master score book. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Lute Happenings in Rome Italy
Kenneth wrote: Definitely go to the musical instrument museum (check the hours very carefully first) where they seemed to have no problem with me taking pictures with my digital camera two years ago. Plenty of early plucked instruments there, including the famous Barberini Harp which also depicted in a painting in the Palazzo Barberini. I went there this past November and they no longer allow photographs (big signs everywhere). But they do sell a lovely catalog of the museum with photos of every instrument and descriptions. Italian language only. Steven, if you walk (and it's the only way to get around in my opinion because you see such lovely sights) the museum is a bit off the beaten path. It's hidden behind the church of Santa Croce in Gerusalemme at the very end of the via of the same name. If you get the Art Exhibitions Mini Map the museum is mis-marked as being across the street from the church when it's actually behind it. When you come to the end of the via, you must cross the piazza into the courtyard of the church and go around to your left up a small road and past some lime trees. You'll see a long building sitting alone behind the church and that's the museum. Have a blast. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Questions from a newbie
Tim wrote: But I haven't heard anything at all about the EMS lutes (Early Music Shop, England). They're within my price range. But are they playable lutes, with a reasonable--for a student lute--sound? Has anybody assembled one of their kits? (If I'm overlooking an obvious source of student lutes, let me know.) I haven't seen one of the EMS lutes up close, but with the number of them showing up on eBay I'm a little suspicious. They look very much like the Pakistani lutes, but it's hard to tell from the little pictures. Personally I think you'd be better off going with a lute from a reputable builder though you'll pay a bit more for it. I think you'll be happier in the long run. I keep a list of luthiers on my web site; http://medievalist.org/lute/lute.html Dan Larson makes a 6 and 7 course student lute. Larry Brown also makes (or used to make) student lutes. Both are very good. I own one of Dan's 6 course lutes (and one of his early vihuelas) and an 8 course form Larry. Both are excellent instruments. Good luck. Keep an eye on ebay for other lutes. Occasionally a good one shows up. You might also want to check out Wayne Cripps' lute classifieds page; http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/forsale.html Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Re: Continuo
Michael wrote: Roman wrote: Back in the old country we say: A spoonful of tar will ruin a barrel of honey. But then again, A spoonful of honey helps the medicine go down, the medicine go down And always remember that a bit of better butter makes a bitter batter better. Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Re: Continuo
Roman wrote: And always remember that a bit of better butter makes a bitter batter better. Don't make me use a bat as a continuo instrument. I didn't know you played for the Yankees. Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
