Re: [Mac-access]: Bootcamp V. VMWare Fusion

[Mike Arrigo]

I would give amadeus pro a try, the more you can get away from Windows, 
the better.

Original message:

I would just like to thank people for their various opinions which have been
very helpful.



I have been thinking about this all day, and I think I am going to give the
virtual machine a try, especially as from what I have read here, I ought to
be able to do it alone. This machine has 16 GB of ram in it, it's brand new,
so it has to be worth a shot at least.
If it really does not work on the audio side with my audio production
software, that might just cajole me into using Amadeus Pro.




Thanks to everyone again.



-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 27 April 2015 19:25
To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: [Mac-access]: Bootcamp V. VMWare Fusion



Actually I knwo one apple store that did. they got th eprocess started for
someone and they finished it with speach when they got  home. lol! Just ask
and if you know someone there maybe work with them. The folks at apple are
willing to bend over backwards to help me.



take care.

On Apr 26, 2015, at 11:51 PM, Eleanor burke 

wrote:



I know that my Apple store would not assist you in installing windows.





On 27 Apr 2015, at 06:55, Brian Hartgen  wrote:



Hi





I received my first Mac on Saturday. I have done a lot of studying
and I think I am quite proficient at the screen-reading with it.





However, I am very undecided about whether to use Windows with
Bootcamp or with VMWare. For my work, I do need to use Windows. This
is a high spec machine so I wanted to take advantage of that. But I have

some questions.





I like the idea of having VMWare, so I can "flick" between different
operating systems. However, precisely please what are the advantages
of running it in Bootcamp as opposed to a virtual machine? If I ran
it as a Virtual Machine, what disadvantages would I notice? For
example, would there be any kind of delay when using a Windows

screen-reader?





My other question relates to installing Windows. I've read a lot, and
there does not seem to be an easy way described with complete
accuracy as to how to install Windows without vision. This may seem
like a strange question, but if I booked an appointment at an Apple
store to get some sighted help, is that good etiquette? Are they
likely to say no because I need to install Windows?



I have the MacBook Pro, external keyboard and the Apple Superdrive
which I could take along there.





Thank you for any help.





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Re: [Mac-access]: Bootcamp V. VMWare Fusion

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I would use fusion for several reasons. First, you can install windows 
totally without sighted help, there is a quick install where you 
provide either the DVD or an ISO of Windows, tell it the product key 
and Fusion does the rest. Second, as you said, you can switch between 
the 2 operating systems without having to reboot. Finally, your Windows 
virtual machine is stored in one file, so it's really easy to back up. 
If something happens to it, just copy and replace it from a backup. 
About the only disadvantage with Fusion is that not all of your 
resources will be used by Windows, but if it's a high end machine, you 
shouldn't notice any delays.

Original message:

Hi





I received my first Mac on Saturday. I have done a lot of studying and I
think I am quite proficient at the screen-reading with it.





However, I am very undecided about whether to use Windows with Bootcamp or
with VMWare. For my work, I do need to use Windows. This is a high spec
machine so I wanted to take advantage of that. But I have some questions.





I like the idea of having VMWare, so I can "flick" between different
operating systems. However, precisely please what are the advantages of
running it in Bootcamp as opposed to a virtual machine? If I ran it as a
Virtual Machine, what disadvantages would I notice? For example, would there
be any kind of delay when using a Windows screen-reader?





My other question relates to installing Windows. I've read a lot, and there
does not seem to be an easy way described with complete accuracy as to how
to install Windows without vision. This may seem like a strange question,
but if I booked an appointment at an Apple store to get some sighted help,
is that good etiquette? Are they likely to say no because I need to install
Windows?



I have the MacBook Pro, external keyboard and the Apple Superdrive which I
could take along there.





Thank you for any help.





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Re: [Mac-access]: YouTube HTML 5 or Flash Player

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Use html 5, no question, flash is totally inaccessible on the mac.
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> Hi All, I don't mind which I use once I use the most accessable one.  Which 
> is more accessable on your experiences?
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Re: [Mac-access]: Anti Virus Software For Mac

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Personally, I don’t use any, and don’t think it is really needed. There are 
some available if you want to use it though, but the best way to avoid that 
kind of thing is to be careful what you install and the web sites you visit.
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> What are people using these days when it comes to Anti Virus software for the 
> Mac?
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Re: Getting Yosemite

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Most likely you would get it from the app store. I plan on waiting 
until at least the first major update before installing it, that's my 
policy with any operating system, and it certainly was good advice when 
it came to IOS 8. I may upgrade once IOS 8.1 is released assuming the 
major issues are fixed.

Original message:
Hi, Folks.  I want to upgrade to Yosemite, but not sure how.  Will 
Software Update do this, or do I go to the App Store and search for it? 
I tried to get it through Software Update, but no success.  I listened 
to the event today, and it was mentioned that Yosemite would be 
released today.  Thanks in advance.



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Re: VMWare Does It Again!

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Fusion is also the logical choice, since parallels is inaccessible, at 
least it was last time I looked at it.

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Hello everybody


As you probably know by now if you have your finger on the pulse of 
virtualisation technologies, the battle of the giants is really hotting 
up now.  As somebody who is fortunate enough to be able to evaluate 
both Parallels Desktop 10 and Fusion Professional 7 in fully licensed 
modes, I can tell you that there is a really noticeable speed increase 
in both of these products with the release of Apple’s latest 
technologies and APIs build into the operating system to make it both 
Mavericks and Yosemite compatible.  I am currently running Windows 8.1 
Professional under Fusion 7 and Lynne is as I write finishing off the 
setup of the sane operating system under Parallels.  By the way, we’re 
going to make it easy for anybody who wants to download the new 
evaluation of Fusion, if, that is, there’s any demand for it.  We will 
post it in an accessible place and let you grab it at your heart’s content.


That aside, I can honestly say that running Fusion now with this new 
version is just like running Windows in a native environment.  They’ve 
obviously done a lot of fine tuning and the result is staring me in the 
face right now.  And it honestly could not have come at a better time.  
Just as we’re expanding what we’re offering to our clients and friends, 
(more about that soon), so this comes along.


Actually it was released on 2 September, but I just didn’t get around 
do doing anything about it until now.  All I can say is “Wow!”



Anybody want it made available for download?



Gordon



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Re: Should I move to Mavericks?

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I use mavericks with a 2009 mac mini, 2010 mac mini, and 2010 mac book, works 
fine. I would say go ahead and upgrade.
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> Hi listers
> 
> I have a 2010 mac mini, running mountain lion. It is a little slow opening 
> apps but not too bad yet. I am about to start a degree in September and may 
> be getting a laptop as well, which will probably be using Mavericks or 
> Yosemite.
> 
> I am looking for opinions as to the pros and cons of upgrading to Mavericks 
> at this time and whether my mac mini will be better or worse with the upgrade.
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> Not urgent, but thought others may be having the same thoughts.
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I also would like to remain on the mac access list.

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Re: Blind Square

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I can't say how well it works in the U.K. since I live in the United 
States, but, in my opinion, it's well worth the purchase. When I am 
walking places, which I do a lot, it's the app I usually use to keep 
track of where I am. Open Street Map was started by someone in the U.K. 
I think, so I would think the information provided would be decent.

Original message:

Hi listers
I have just moved to a new town in Yorkshire, England.



Is Blind Square worth the £21 investment. Does it work well in the UK?
Thanks in advance
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Re: itunes has changed after updates

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I can also reproduce the issue of the selection no longer reading when 
using the arrow keys, I use this in my list of TV shows. For now, the 
work around is to use the voice over command to move down instead of 
the regular arrow keys.

Original message:

Hi,
I have a couple answers for you. The thing which seems to have been 
broken is reading of what is selected when you use the arrow keys in 
lists. You can still select if you interact, with vo-command-enter on 
each track you want to chose.
I can’t duplicate the problem with autocompleted song names. I type one 
into the search box and hi downarrow to pop up the list of possibilities.

On May 16, 2014, at 11:30 AM, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:


After the updates I can no longer type the first few letters or words 
and have iTunes go to a song. I also can't move through my list of 
songs by using up and down arrow. I have to interact, which means I 
can't sellect a number of songs to do an operation such as tagging 
them. Is there a setting I can fix?



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Re: Virus Protection on Mac

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Different people have different views on this, personally I don't use 
it, and have never had a problem, but there are programs available for 
those who want them.

Original message:

Is anyone using virus protection on the Mac or just leaving it to Apple's
security.- Original Message -
From: "isaac" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web




Have you also that about using the quick nav
feature? You can assign commands to quick nag to get to things faster such
as links headings lists and check boxes and text fields.On Mar 19, 2014,
at 11:42 AM, Eleanor Burke  wrote:



Ah well I don't have a number pad so culd not do that last thing.
- Original Message - From: "Chris Apple boy"

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web




Sounds good will try this cheers.



Regards Chris



Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!



On 19/03/2014 12:57, Travis Siegel wrote:

Ellen, it might be easier for you to navigate the pages if you activate
groups mode.  In groups mode, vo combines web features into a single
group, which get read all at once, so there's considerably less
keypressing needed tonavigate your documents.  I never use anything
else.  Most folks who don't use groups mode do so because they don't
like the fact that you need to interact with the groups if you wish to
click a link or navigate a table by rows/columns, but for me, this
isn't
even a consideration, because I find it a whole lot easier to move
along
until I find the piece I want, then interact, then go where I need to
go, especially if I'm just reading a book or something, then all I need
to do is press right arrow (I have the numpad commander turned on,
andhave vo functions assigned to the arrow keys) and each right arrow
press gets me the next chunk of text.  Simple and convinient.
hth.



On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke wrote:



I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an
effecient manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked that
navagating by single character is checked.  Now my problems are that
the only way I am able to navigate a page is by using the right arrow
so 10 presses of it will take me to the 10th link, that is if there
are no headings in between, in which case it will take me even
longer.  I can bring up the roter with vo and u and this tells me how
many links, headings etc there are but pressing enter once or twice on
any of these just gives me a beep.  Finally if I move on to another
web page and want to go back I do not know how to do this, so quick on
a Windows machine with a 2 key press and I am back.  Please help!
Thanks.



Eleanor
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Re: question about extra options in menus when pressing the option key

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This is one thing about the mac operating system that is annoying. If 
you press enter while holding the option key, it will usually perform 
the option menu item. The thing is, you don't always know when this is  
available. I think it should just list all options in the menu and not 
hide anything.

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hey all,
i have a quick question for you all.
i was playing in the view menu of finder sitting on the arrange by sub 
menu and i found that when i hit the option key the sub menu changed to 
say sort by.
how do VO users work with this? because you have to keep holding the 
option key down to see the new options that come up. how do you enter 
these menus to work with the new options?

thanks for any help



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Re: Cocktail Maintenance Utility, Tried And Tru

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Yes, cocktail is a great app, another app that does similar things is 
called onyx, they are both good apps to have.

Original message:

Hi!


I’ve been a user of the Cocktail Maintenance utility for 6 years or so 
though I never used it on a regular basis.


I’ve been using Cocktail every day regularly for the last couple of 
months using the “Pilot” and the “Daily Script”, I’ve scheduled a time 
for Cocktail to run once every day at 1”00 AM and then Cocktail causes 
the computer to shut down after maintenance has been completed.


I can honestly say that this maintenance has done wonders for the 
performance of my 2011 iMac machine, the computer runs a lot faster 
loading programmes in fractions of a second, the longest App to load is 
Skype and that takes around half a second.


Thought Id give this a mention as people may wish to try Cocktail or a 
similar maintenance utility and see how they get on.


Note that the “Pilot” of Cocktail is fully customisable but do read the 
help file before you start poking around in the options or at the very 
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Re: Old Blind Cool Tech podcasts For Mac On iBlink Radio

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Ah, glad these are still available. I’ve been wanting to do an updated series, 
just been very busy and have not had time, smile.
On Jan 17, 2014, at 7:32 PM, Mac-Access  wrote:

> Hello Eileen,
> 
> Thanks for pointing out that many of Mike Arrigo's old Blind Cool Tech for 
> the Mac can be found on the iBlink radio iOS app.  For those who would like 
> to see the brief description of each podcast, you'll find these listed in an 
> archived Mac-Access list post of mine:
> Re: Podcast on Lion OS:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/msg03072.html
> 
> For example, here's the excerpted description for "Demo 5":
> Mac Demo 5 1/18/2009 Mike Arrigo continues this series about built-in 
> accessibility on the Mac by demonstrating running Windows on the Mac. He 
> discusses the reasons why you would want to run Windows on a Mac, then talks 
> about how it works, runs both the Mac operating system and Windows at the 
> same time, and shows running Window-eyes, System Access, and Kurzweil 1000. 
> 17.8 MB
> 
> The post was made when it was still possible to download podcasts directly 
> from the Blind Cool Tech web site, and describes the contents of Mike's mac 
> podcasts through his Mac Demo 14 on Lion.  For the record, the Macintosh 
> Audio Demos by Mike Arrigo listed in the iBlink Radio app under Audio 
> Tutorials and Interviews stop with Mac Demo 11 on new features in Snow 
> Leopard. The later podcasts deal with items like backup and maintenance, 
> trackpad gestures on the MacBook and productivity apps, and the Lion 
> operating system.  I think demo 14 was his last Mac podcast demo on Blind 
> Cool Tech, although there were subsequently a number demonstrating navigation 
> with different GPS apps.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 2:30 PM, Eileens Misrahi  
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>> 
>> Hello Folks,
>> 
>> I have iBlink Radio installed on my phone. If you tap on and open the "audio 
>> and Tutorial" link, and flick down 2 or 3 links, there will be one that says 
>> "macintosh." Tap on it and that's where the old Blind Cool Tech podcasts 
>> are. The one that needs to be opened is "Demo 5." This is where Mike 
>> discusses placing Windows on the Mac. I havenT listened to it yet, but it's 
>> on my list to do, as like others on this thread are needing to have a duel 
>> boot. HTH.
>> 
>> cheers,
>> Eileen 
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selecting more than one item in mavericks

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Hey everyone, ok, I guess something has changed with voiceover in 
mavericks, does anyone know what the key stroke is now to select more 
than one item? Previously, you would turn cursor tracking off, move the 
voiceover cursor to each item and press vo command space. However, this 
key stroke now displays a list of actions you can do with the item, the 
only option in the voiceover help menu for selecting items is vo enter, 
but this does not select more than one item at a time.

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disabling the preview pane in mail

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Hey everyone, sorry, I know it’s been posted on here a lot, but in Mavericks, I 
can’t get rid of the mail preview pane. Don’t I need to click on one of the 
splitters? Actually I think you double click one of them, but can’t remember 
which one.
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Re: Tip For Apple Mail Users, Time To Trim The Trash

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Another way to avoid this is to simply configure the mail program to 
empty the trash folder when you close it. That way you never have to 
worry about messages building up.

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So your trash is getting rather large? Can do away with all those 
eMails you received from eMail lists you once subscribed to? Dread the 
thought of tidying your Trash Box because you have thousands upon 
thousands of eMails to sort? Perhaps some simple rules can do the job 
for you, I've been using this approach over the last couple of weeks.


So you find an eMail which relates to a few hundred you've say received 
over a period of time from a list, select it from your Trash Box, press 
command-, to go into Mail preferences, select "Rules" and click on "Add Rule".


Here type a description appropriate to what you plan to do, say Delete 
Mac-Access and then proceed to Conditions, make sure that any of the 
following conditions are met is select and select "Any Recipient", by 
default the "From" field here should automatically show the list of 
eMail messages from the old list you're planning to purge from your system.



From here move to "Actions" and select "Delete Message".


Press "Apply" and Mail will then prompt, "Apply rule", answer "Yes" and 
all eMail corresponding to the rule you just created will be moved 
permanently from your Trash Box.


All you have to do now is to remove the rule you just created and 
repeat the whole process again for eMail you want deleted from all 
those old eMail lists you're no longer a member of.





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Re: Mac Air v. Mac mini

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No. It's a very small desktop, about the size of a dvd player perhaps. You have 
to connect a monitor, keyboard, etc. just like a large desktop computer.
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> I'm sure glad I got the MacBook Air then.
> 
> So is the mini like a tablet with a keyboard?  
> 
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>> The biggest difference is that the mac book air is a laptop. The mac mini, 
>> though it is portable is a desktop because it is not battery powered.
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>>> 
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Re: Mac Air v. Mac mini

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The biggest difference is that the mac book air is a laptop. The mac mini, 
though it is portable is a desktop because it is not battery powered.
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Re: mavericks or mountain lion?

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You may want to stick with mountain lion for a while yet, until the 
first update for 10.9 is released. There are a few issues with mavericks.

Original message:
I've been on vacation for the past couple of weeks, so missed a lot of 
the mavericks thread.  I'm fairly new to using the mac, and was 
wondering if most people on this list now prefer mavericks over 
mountain lion or mountain lion over mavericks.  What do I need to look 
for when installing mavericks?  I don't want to mess up during the 
installation because this computer is the only working one I have right 
now.  Does the mail program handle yahoo mail better than mountain 
lion's version of mail?  thanks.

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Re: a question about finder

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Using VO home only goes to the first item on the screen. Try using VO 
shift home, this moves to the top of the item, scrolling if necessary.

Original message:

hey listers,
i have a problem with finder and getting to the top or bottom of a folder list.
even if i interact in list view and hit VO home or end i can not get to 
the top or bottom of my folders. in column view i had no problem but i 
have had to ditch it.

any help on this problem would be fantastic.



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Re: a question about list view in finder

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I have not used mavericks yet, but assuming it's similar to mountain 
lion, here are a few hints. Press command j to open the preferences for 
list view, this will allow you to choose what columns are displayed. To 
open a folder, I usually use command o rather than using the right 
arrow key to expand it, it's much easier to get back to your starting 
point this way.

Original message:

hey listers,
after using column view for quite some time i have started using list 
view because it seems to work better in folders with a lot of content.
my question is this, is there any way i can get around having to 
interact with every single folder that i open? it drives me round the bend.
i’m using mavrics and column view just makes finder die in big folders 
hence the change to list view.

any help would be fantastic



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Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit

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Are there any new voiceover features?
Original message:

Hi All,


Now that OS X 10.9, AKA Mavericks, has finally entered public release, 
it is acceptable to mention it on this list without violating the NDA. 
:) That being said, I want to gently suggest that VoiceOver users wait 
to upgrade for a little while, as there are still some issues 
unresolved from the accessibility testing process.
While I personally do not consider any of these game breaking, per se, 
they are significant enough to cause some confusion and annoyance. I 
suggest just waiting until at least the first general update to the 
system before committing yourself. In particular, iBooks accessibility 
is not all that might be hoped-for. It is being actively worked on, and 
will be improved in the coming weeks.

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Re: Apple's response to my enquiry about flash accessibility

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Right, they have not done anything to make it accessible on the mac. 
You might contactthe site and ask if they have any plans to move to 
html5. That's the way of the future, so if they have no plans for this, 
they are not keeping up to date with things.

Original message:
Thanks for the info about HTML 5. I wasn't aware of it, or how it could 
replace Flash. I only mentioned other screen readers and Windows, 
because the reply from Apple said that Adobe had not done anything to 
make flash accessible to screen readers. This was not a correct 
statement in respect of JAWS and Window Eyes -



Andy
On 27 Sep 2013, at 21:40, Mike Arrigo  wrote:


This is more of an adobe problem than a voiceover issue. Windows is a 
different platform, and Adobe has made flash somewhat accessible on 
that platform, but this has not been done on the mac. Fortunately, 
flash is slowly going away and being replaced by html 5 which provides 
all of the same features and is much more accessible, hopefully this 
site will move to html 5 soon.

Original message:

Hi all -


In my frustration at not being able to listen to a sports stream, I 
contacted Apple accessibilty, below is there reply. It doesn't quite 
add up, as they say Adobe hasn't made flash accessible to screen 
readers, and yet JAWS for one does pretty much ok these days with it. 
Non the less, perhaps if lots of us folowed their sugestion of 
contacting Adobe, this time it might make a difference? -



Andy
 Hello,


Thank you for your email. Unfortunately there is an issue with the 
Flash component that makes it inaccessible to screen readers. Apple has 
reported this issue to Adobe over the years and in March of 2011 they 
announced plans to fix it, you can see their blog post in the link below:



http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/2010/03/flash_player_and_flex_support.html


Unfortunately, Adobe has not made the appropriate changes to Flash that 
make it screen reader compatible. We would encourage the you to contact 
Adobe and request that they implement the changes that will make Flash 
content accessible.



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Re: Apple's response to my enquiry about flash accessibility

[Mike Arrigo]

This is more of an adobe problem than a voiceover issue. Windows is a 
different platform, and Adobe has made flash somewhat accessible on 
that platform, but this has not been done on the mac. Fortunately, 
flash is slowly going away and being replaced by html 5 which provides 
all of the same features and is much more accessible, hopefully this 
site will move to html 5 soon.

Original message:

Hi all -


In my frustration at not being able to listen to a sports stream, I 
contacted Apple accessibilty, below is there reply. It doesn't quite 
add up, as they say Adobe hasn't made flash accessible to screen 
readers, and yet JAWS for one does pretty much ok these days with it. 
Non the less, perhaps if lots of us folowed their sugestion of 
contacting Adobe, this time it might make a difference? -



Andy
  Hello,


Thank you for your email. Unfortunately there is an issue with the 
Flash component that makes it inaccessible to screen readers. Apple has 
reported this issue to Adobe over the years and in March of 2011 they 
announced plans to fix it, you can see their blog post in the link below:



http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/2010/03/flash_player_and_flex_support.html


Unfortunately, Adobe has not made the appropriate changes to Flash that 
make it screen reader compatible. We would encourage the you to contact 
Adobe and request that they implement the changes that will make Flash 
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Re: if i get a Mac, how do we set up VoiceOver

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When using a windows keyboard, the windows key is command and the alt 
key is option. So, the voiceover keys would be control and alt.

Original message:

David, on a windows keyboard, what are the equivalents to things like
VoiceOver and Options and Command keys?



Thanks,



Brenda



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From: "David Griffith" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: if i get a Mac, how do we set up VoiceOver




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I BELIEVE THAT ALL MACS STILL COME WITH VOICEOVER STARTING UP BY DEFAULT.
YOU WILL HAVE THE OPTION TO RUN THE GETTING STARTED WIZARD.
IF YOUR MAC HAS THIS TURNED OFF THEN THE SHORT ANSWER IS USE COMMAND F5 TO
TURN VOICEOVER ON. IF THIS DOES NOT WORK  YOU CAN THEN TRY FN COMMAND F5 IF
YOUR FUNCTION KEYS  ARE SET TO HARDWARE RATHER THAN software .
YOUR Voiceover   keys  are  CONTROL AND OPTION AND YOU COULD START WITH
hitting vo H to bring up Voiceover and help and select the Quick start
tutorial. This should happen by default anyway if it is a new Mac I think.



David Griffith
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Hello. if I get a Mac, how do we set up VoiceOver?



Thanks,



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Re: Web browsing

[Mike Arrigo]

Have not seen this directly, but one thing you might try, if you have 
not already done so, hide your tool bars, they can sometimes draw the 
focus away from the main content of the page. Actually this is good 
advice for most applications, especially since there are usually 
keyboard shortcuts for most tool bar items.

Original message:

Hi all -


A common experience today when web browsing, was that when I clicked on 
many links, instead of the page opening, I had to physically interact 
with HTML. I don't know why sometimes pages just open, and at other 
times I have to interact with HTML, but in the past it's still been ok, 
but today, on those occasions when I've had to interact, I couldn't use 
any of the hot key combinations to jump say to headings, or to search 
for things, each time I tried, I was thrown out of interacting, so 
other than VO arrowing tediously, or tabbing, I couldn't access the 
info on the page. Do others have this experience with some links and 
webpages? -



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Re: Onyx

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You bet, it's a great app for sure. That and cocktail are the 2 best apps in 
this category.
On Aug 31, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Chris H  wrote:

> Hello everyone
> has anyone tried or does anyone use Onyx? I think this is a fantastic utility 
> for your mac. It is a maintenance and cleaning tool as well as offering other 
> functions. Downloaded and ran it today and my 2011 Macbook Pro 13 running 
> Mountain Lion is now faster. Go search for it via Google as it's not in the 
> Mac App Store. It's by Titanium Software.
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Re: Skype on the Mac

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It's very accessible. The one thing I did was to set lots of the 
notifications to speak and you can do that in the skype preferences. 
This will allow the program to tell you things such as when people sign 
in and out and when you get messages.

Original message:

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New to Skype with the Mac. How accessible is Skype, and what tweaking 
is necessary to get it working well with VO. -



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Re: State of Apple Accessibility (was: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino)

[Mike Arrigo]

I don't even have a pc at home anymore. I only use windows for one thing and 
that's because there is no mac version of it. Other than, it's the mac all the 
way for me, this is for web browsing, email, music, documents, and other things 
I can't think of. Anyone who says that accessibility only half works on the mac 
has never really given it a chance.
On Jul 20, 2013, at 1:28 PM, John Panarese  wrote:

>  OK, maybe I am missing something here, but I am reading some of the most 
> ridiculous and assumption ridden posts in this thread.  How in the world can 
> you say the Mac is half-baked?  The Mac is just as accessible as Windows at 
> this point, and for whatever weaknesses you can point out in OS X, I can 
> equally find in Windows.  I know blind people productively using the Mac 
> every day for their work, and I can give you several testimonials from former 
> Windows users who will flat out tell you that Mac accessibility is superior 
> to that in Windows hands down.  I just had this conversation with a client 
> who is a former JAWS user who was using Windows since 1994 and still uses 
> Windows because he paid for a SMA.
> 
>  In any event, to assume Apple is done with accessibility or has done so to 
> legally get by is a generally opinionated statement that has no factual or 
> concrete evidence beyond personal belief.  How far the Mac has come since 
> Tiger, including Lion to Mountain Lion, is proof enough, and if it’s not 
> satisfactory enough to you, that is your problem and not a general reflection 
> of the state of accessibility among most blind Mac users.  Is it perfect?  Of 
> course not.  I can list the flaws as readily as anyone else, especially since 
> I train folks to use the Mac every day.  However, as I said, I can list just 
> as many in Windows, if not more in some regard.  Also, well, show me an 
> operating system the blind can use with perfection.   We can go on and on 
> about our accessibility gripes about every operating system, but in many 
> cases, the reality does not truly reflect our narrow world views of things.
> 
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
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> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 20, 2013, at 6:31 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
> wrote:
> 
>> Chris,
>> 
>> Just to be clear I think they've done a stellar job on IOS.  Sure there are 
>> things I'd like to see, things I'd have done differently; but that applies 
>> to my own development work (in retrospect) as well.
>> 
>> The reality is that four and a half years after iWork 09 was released, it is 
>> still lacking in what I would consider to be basic accessibility and, more 
>> importantly, usability.  People like Anne Robertson (on this list) have come 
>> up with workarounds to get past issues that t we really shouldn't have to be 
>> working around.  With every new update I hope that some new features will be 
>> introduced, but more importantly I want longstanding bugs to have gone away. 
>>  Neither happens.
>> 
>> Like you, I've stopped recommending the mac for anyone other than those who 
>> want a glorified mediaplayer.  It is not a productivity machine at this 
>> stage.
>> 
>> Dónal
>> On 20 Jul 2013, at 11:25, Chris Moore  wrote:
>> 
>>> I agree, Mac OS X accessibility sucks.  iOS is far superior and the Mac is 
>>> half baked and very buggy.  I could never recommend the Mac as a productive 
>>> tool for the blind.
>>> 
>>> I don't think we should give up though, we need to keep up the pressure.  
>>> We also need to shame Apple by bringing it to the attention of mainstream 
>>> press  Let's try and convince someone to publish an article on how crap 
>>> Voiceover is on the Mac.  We only ever seem to get a slight update each 
>>> time a new OS comes out.
>>> 
>>> We need to keep making a noise and more of it.
>>> 
>>> Chris 
>>> On 20 Jul 2013, at 11:08, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Chris,
 
 Dealing with both your mails in one here.  I wholeheartedly agree.  I've 
 been convinced for almost 2 years that Apple sees their job in terms of 
 accessibility for the blind, specifically on OSX but to a lesser extent on 
 IOS, as done.  They can walk into any courtroom and claim, with 
 justification, that they are in compliance with ADA, section 508, EU 
 disability legislation etc.  Afraid in my view OSX accessibility is dying 
 on the vine so we may as well accept that what we have now is as good as 
 it's going to get.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Dónal
 On 20 Jul 2013, at 06:31, "Chris Gilland"  wrote:
 
> And, though I cannot go into the specifics due to NDA, I'll say this, and 
> under no circumstances anything more.  I've reported through bug reporter 
> m

Re: iPhone does not charge

[Mike Arrigo]

You might try resetting the phone, I think you hold the home and power 
buttons for around 10 seconds. I remember readingthat this fixed that 
problem for someone.

Original message:

No sound and no indication on the status bar that the phone is charging I am
afraid.



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Subject: Re: iPhone does not charge



When you connect the cable, does the phone make a chirp sound? This usually
indicates the connection. Does the battery percentage not increase at all,
or does it increase and then drop off very quickly after disconnecting the
cable?
Original message:

It is with a sinking feeling that I discovered my iPhone will not
charge this evening.
It will synch fine on my iMac but will not take a charge.
I have tried 2 different cables, and tried the iMac, Windows laptop
and Mains charger to no affect.
The fact that data is transferring OK  is strange.



I suspect this is a visit to the Apple Store as it is only 6 weeks old.



However has anybody got any bright ideas?



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Re: iPhone does not charge

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When you connect the cable, does the phone make a chirp sound? This 
usually indicates the connection. Does the battery percentage not 
increase at all, or does it increase and then drop off very quickly 
after disconnecting the cable?

Original message:

It is with a sinking feeling that I discovered my iPhone will not charge
this evening.
It will synch fine on my iMac but will not take a charge.
I have tried 2 different cables, and tried the iMac, Windows laptop and
Mains charger to no affect.
The fact that data is transferring OK  is strange.



I suspect this is a visit to the Apple Store as it is only 6 weeks old.



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Re: help getting voice over to read out skype chats while in the chat window

[Mike Arrigo]

You can configure skype itself to tell you when you have a chat 
message, once you get that message, usually you can just move your 
voiceover cursor to the control that voiceover calls a grid and read 
the message, not totally automatic but very simple.

Original message:

Good morning, I am new to this list so  hi to you all, I was wondering
if there is away to get voice over to read incoming skype chats while
a person is in the skype chat window?  I have had voiceover read a
chat window when I am out of skype itself but when I am in skype's
window it just tells me who is skype chatting me.  Any help would be
appreciated for this issue of mine.  It could be I am just a spoiled
windows jaws user who has scripts installed so jaws is able to do what
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Re: getting there

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Also, you may need to make sure the option to open safe files after 
downloading is selected, otherwise it will just save the play list file 
and you will have to open it manually.

Original message:

Hello John,


I clicked on your link and it started streaming immediately. I only 
have Safari on my Mac, so I suspect you need to install both Flash 
player and Flip4Mac.



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On 8 Jul 2013, at 21:44, John Gallagher  wrote:



Hi all
Well after a hard day's learning I feel I have made great progres.
one thing in safari to play media like www.williamhillradio.com do you 
need to install some kind of flash or is this why people are asking 
about other browsers>? thanks.



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Re: Article: Apple loses its shine

[Mike Arrigo]

Interesting, where did you hear that? There's also rumors that Apple 
may allow other keyboards, but nothing confirmed.

Original message:

Hello:
Just to let know that in this release of iOS 7, Apple has opened the 
TTS API, so developers can use it to make their Apps speak with system 
voices or use a single TTS engine for many Apps, and not as it was before.

Take care!



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El 25/06/2013, a las 16:19, Mike Arrigo  escribió:


Exactly. You may have 3 or 4 copies of the same TTS engine on your 
device, because each application must provide their own TTS and Apple 
does not allow you to install other voices and use them system wise. 
They also do not allow developers to use the voices that are already 
built in. Those restrictions are just silly.

Original message:
Now with the keyboards and voices I agree. I hate that voice dream has 
to provide voices that read2go already has, and that seroprok can't be 
on iOS, and that eSpeak can't be ported to iOS. But I heard they're 
opening up a lot of API's for iOS7, so yeah, maybe speech and keyboard 
is among them.

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On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:11 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:


I don't want Apple to be google, and I do not want IOS to be android. 
But what I would like is for IOS to provide the features that in most 
other operating systems, desktop and mobile. I honestly cannot think of 
any other operating system that did not allow you to manage files. 
Windows provides this, so does the Mac, linux, and even Symbian and 
Windows Mobile 6 provided this functionality. Why IOS does not provide 
or even really allow this easily I will never understand. Also the 
issues of not allowing you to install other keyboards, this doesn't 
really apply to most desktop operating systems, but the voices 
restriction does. With just about every other operating system, you can 
install other voices and use them system wide, each application is not 
required to include its own voice, again, there is simply no logical 
reason for that.

On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:22 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:


I somewhat agree with you, but I just don't want Apple to be Google. I 
love apple's commitment to accessibility better. LOL as we all surely do.

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On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:08 PM, Moop Curran  wrote:



Hi,
I'd have to agree with both of you, I love mac for my desktop platform, 
but I like my android tablet because it's more versatile. I wish apple 
would make iOs more versatile, like mac, I'm probably one of a few that 
would like iOs to act like mac os. I thin if the device is mine, I 
should be able to install whatever app I want on it.

Courtney



Mike Arrigo  wrote:



Yep, I would say you hit the mark exactly. I'm actually probably a rare
breed, I much prefer the mac for my desktop platform, but for the
mobile device, I prefer android. I might consider going back to IOS if
Apple ever lifts any of their restrictions, but that's not likely to
happen.
On Jun 24, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:



Well, this is how I see it. Apple is just, well, Apple. They feel

that iOS shouldn't be a computer operating system. After all, your
phone, usually isn't your computer. The mac has a file manager and
everything else, as you know, and can be added to with any software you
want. Android is android though, and better for people that want full
access.

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On Jun 24, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:



That's certainly true about windows phone 8 and blackberry, but if

you have not tried the newest version of android, you might be
pleasantly surprised. The biggest problem I have with IOS is that it
does not do basic things that other operating systems do, such as file
management. Also, Apple insists on using nonstandard proprietary
connectors, and, unless you jail break it, you can only install
applications Apple approves. Personally, I have a problem with someone
else deciding what I can and cannot install on a device I have
purchased. Android is different, but the newest version is just as
accessible as IOS I would say. I use it on a daily basis for phone
calls, messaging, playing music, listening to radio stations,
identifying things with the camera, and listening to books.

Original message:

Right exactly, and for visually impaired people, iOS is the

preferred platform, while there are others out there, they are not
nearly as accessible.



Sent from my iPhone



On Jun 24, 2013, at 1

Re: Article: Apple loses its shine

[Mike Arrigo]

Exactly. You may have 3 or 4 copies of the same TTS engine on your 
device, because each application must provide their own TTS and Apple 
does not allow you to install other voices and use them system wise. 
They also do not allow developers to use the voices that are already 
built in. Those restrictions are just silly.

Original message:
Now with the keyboards and voices I agree. I hate that voice dream has 
to provide voices that read2go already has, and that seroprok can't be 
on iOS, and that eSpeak can't be ported to iOS. But I heard they're 
opening up a lot of API's for iOS7, so yeah, maybe speech and keyboard 
is among them.

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On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:11 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:


I don't want Apple to be google, and I do not want IOS to be android. 
But what I would like is for IOS to provide the features that in most 
other operating systems, desktop and mobile. I honestly cannot think of 
any other operating system that did not allow you to manage files. 
Windows provides this, so does the Mac, linux, and even Symbian and 
Windows Mobile 6 provided this functionality. Why IOS does not provide 
or even really allow this easily I will never understand. Also the 
issues of not allowing you to install other keyboards, this doesn't 
really apply to most desktop operating systems, but the voices 
restriction does. With just about every other operating system, you can 
install other voices and use them system wide, each application is not 
required to include its own voice, again, there is simply no logical 
reason for that.

On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:22 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:


I somewhat agree with you, but I just don't want Apple to be Google. I 
love apple's commitment to accessibility better. LOL as we all surely do.

sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud.
Devin prater
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Skype:
devinprater
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On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:08 PM, Moop Curran  wrote:



Hi,
I'd have to agree with both of you, I love mac for my desktop platform, 
but I like my android tablet because it's more versatile. I wish apple 
would make iOs more versatile, like mac, I'm probably one of a few that 
would like iOs to act like mac os. I thin if the device is mine, I 
should be able to install whatever app I want on it.

Courtney



Mike Arrigo  wrote:



Yep, I would say you hit the mark exactly. I'm actually probably a rare
breed, I much prefer the mac for my desktop platform, but for the
mobile device, I prefer android. I might consider going back to IOS if
Apple ever lifts any of their restrictions, but that's not likely to
happen.
On Jun 24, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:



Well, this is how I see it. Apple is just, well, Apple. They feel

that iOS shouldn't be a computer operating system. After all, your
phone, usually isn't your computer. The mac has a file manager and
everything else, as you know, and can be added to with any software you
want. Android is android though, and better for people that want full
access.

sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud.
Devin prater
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Skype:
devinprater
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On Jun 24, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:



That's certainly true about windows phone 8 and blackberry, but if

you have not tried the newest version of android, you might be
pleasantly surprised. The biggest problem I have with IOS is that it
does not do basic things that other operating systems do, such as file
management. Also, Apple insists on using nonstandard proprietary
connectors, and, unless you jail break it, you can only install
applications Apple approves. Personally, I have a problem with someone
else deciding what I can and cannot install on a device I have
purchased. Android is different, but the newest version is just as
accessible as IOS I would say. I use it on a daily basis for phone
calls, messaging, playing music, listening to radio stations,
identifying things with the camera, and listening to books.

Original message:

Right exactly, and for visually impaired people, iOS is the

preferred platform, while there are others out there, they are not
nearly as accessible.



Sent from my iPhone



On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Mike Arrigo 

wrote:



An interesting article and I agree with some of what it says. In

some ways, Apple has developed a standard for itself that is very high,
and now that some of their features are in other devices, some people
could lose interest. On the other hand, the sales will tell the final
story. As long as Apple is happy with their sales, they will continue
to do what they are doing, and why not. If it is selling, why not
continue it.

Original message:

A couple of people have

Re: Article: Apple loses its shine

[Mike Arrigo]

I don't want Apple to be google, and I do not want IOS to be android. But what 
I would like is for IOS to provide the features that in most other operating 
systems, desktop and mobile. I honestly cannot think of any other operating 
system that did not allow you to manage files. Windows provides this, so does 
the Mac, linux, and even Symbian and Windows Mobile 6 provided this 
functionality. Why IOS does not provide or even really allow this easily I will 
never understand. Also the issues of not allowing you to install other 
keyboards, this doesn't really apply to most desktop operating systems, but the 
voices restriction does. With just about every other operating system, you can 
install other voices and use them system wide, each application is not required 
to include its own voice, again, there is simply no logical reason for that.
On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:22 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:

> I somewhat agree with you, but I just don't want Apple to be Google. I love 
> apple's commitment to accessibility better. LOL as we all surely do.
> sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud.
> Devin prater
> email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
> Skype:
> devinprater
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> devinpra...@live.com
> 
> 
> On Jun 24, 2013, at 9:08 PM, Moop Curran  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I'd have to agree with both of you, I love mac for my desktop platform, but 
>> I like my android tablet because it's more versatile. I wish apple would 
>> make iOs more versatile, like mac, I'm probably one of a few that would like 
>> iOs to act like mac os. I thin if the device is mine, I should be able to 
>> install whatever app I want on it.
>> Courtney
>> 
>> Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>>> Yep, I would say you hit the mark exactly. I'm actually probably a rare
>>> breed, I much prefer the mac for my desktop platform, but for the
>>> mobile device, I prefer android. I might consider going back to IOS if
>>> Apple ever lifts any of their restrictions, but that's not likely to
>>> happen.
>>> On Jun 24, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Well, this is how I see it. Apple is just, well, Apple. They feel
>>> that iOS shouldn't be a computer operating system. After all, your
>>> phone, usually isn't your computer. The mac has a file manager and
>>> everything else, as you know, and can be added to with any software you
>>> want. Android is android though, and better for people that want full
>>> access.
>>>> sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud.
>>>> Devin prater
>>>> email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
>>>> Skype:
>>>> devinprater
>>>> msn:
>>>> devinpra...@live.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 24, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> That's certainly true about windows phone 8 and blackberry, but if
>>> you have not tried the newest version of android, you might be
>>> pleasantly surprised. The biggest problem I have with IOS is that it
>>> does not do basic things that other operating systems do, such as file
>>> management. Also, Apple insists on using nonstandard proprietary
>>> connectors, and, unless you jail break it, you can only install
>>> applications Apple approves. Personally, I have a problem with someone
>>> else deciding what I can and cannot install on a device I have
>>> purchased. Android is different, but the newest version is just as
>>> accessible as IOS I would say. I use it on a daily basis for phone
>>> calls, messaging, playing music, listening to radio stations,
>>> identifying things with the camera, and listening to books.
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> Right exactly, and for visually impaired people, iOS is the
>>> preferred platform, while there are others out there, they are not
>>> nearly as accessible.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Mike Arrigo 
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> An interesting article and I agree with some of what it says. In
>>> some ways, Apple has developed a standard for itself that is very high,
>>> and now that some of their features are in other devices, some people
>>> could lose interest. On the other hand, the sales will tell the final
>>> story. As long as Apple is happy with their sales, they will continue
>>> to do what they are doing, and why not. If it is selling, why 

Re: Article: Apple loses its shine

[Mike Arrigo]

Yep, I would say you hit the mark exactly. I'm actually probably a rare breed, 
I much prefer the mac for my desktop platform, but for the mobile device, I 
prefer android. I might consider going back to IOS if Apple ever lifts any of 
their restrictions, but that's not likely to happen.
On Jun 24, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:

> Well, this is how I see it. Apple is just, well, Apple. They feel that iOS 
> shouldn't be a computer operating system. After all, your phone, usually 
> isn't your computer. The mac has a file manager and everything else, as you 
> know, and can be added to with any software you want. Android is android 
> though, and better for people that want full access.
> sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud.
> Devin prater
> email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
> Skype:
> devinprater
> msn:
> devinpra...@live.com
> 
> 
> On Jun 24, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
>> That's certainly true about windows phone 8 and blackberry, but if you have 
>> not tried the newest version of android, you might be pleasantly surprised. 
>> The biggest problem I have with IOS is that it does not do basic things that 
>> other operating systems do, such as file management. Also, Apple insists on 
>> using nonstandard proprietary connectors, and, unless you jail break it, you 
>> can only install applications Apple approves. Personally, I have a problem 
>> with someone else deciding what I can and cannot install on a device I have 
>> purchased. Android is different, but the newest version is just as 
>> accessible as IOS I would say. I use it on a daily basis for phone calls, 
>> messaging, playing music, listening to radio stations, identifying things 
>> with the camera, and listening to books.
>> Original message:
>>> Right exactly, and for visually impaired people, iOS is the preferred 
>>> platform, while there are others out there, they are not nearly as 
>>> accessible.
>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>>>> An interesting article and I agree with some of what it says. In some 
>>>> ways, Apple has developed a standard for itself that is very high, and now 
>>>> that some of their features are in other devices, some people could lose 
>>>> interest. On the other hand, the sales will tell the final story. As long 
>>>> as Apple is happy with their sales, they will continue to do what they are 
>>>> doing, and why not. If it is selling, why not continue it.
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> A couple of people have been asking about IOS 7 and related topics so 
>>>>> thought perhaps this article may shed some light.
>> 
>>>>> <http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/apple-loses-its-shine-20130620-2ojs0.html>
>> 
>> 
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Re: Article: Apple loses its shine

[Mike Arrigo]

That's certainly true about windows phone 8 and blackberry, but if you 
have not tried the newest version of android, you might be pleasantly 
surprised. The biggest problem I have with IOS is that it does not do 
basic things that other operating systems do, such as file management. 
Also, Apple insists on using nonstandard proprietary connectors, and, 
unless you jail break it, you can only install applications Apple 
approves. Personally, I have a problem with someone else deciding what 
I can and cannot install on a device I have purchased. Android is 
different, but the newest version is just as accessible as IOS I would 
say. I use it on a daily basis for phone calls, messaging, playing 
music, listening to radio stations, identifying things with the camera, 
and listening to books.

Original message:
Right exactly, and for visually impaired people, iOS is the preferred 
platform, while there are others out there, they are not nearly as accessible.



Sent from my iPhone



On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:


An interesting article and I agree with some of what it says. In some 
ways, Apple has developed a standard for itself that is very high, and 
now that some of their features are in other devices, some people could 
lose interest. On the other hand, the sales will tell the final story. 
As long as Apple is happy with their sales, they will continue to do 
what they are doing, and why not. If it is selling, why not continue it.

Original message:
A couple of people have been asking about IOS 7 and related topics so 
thought perhaps this article may shed some light.



<http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/apple-loses-its-shine-20130620-2ojs0.html>




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Re: Article: Apple loses its shine

[Mike Arrigo]

An interesting article and I agree with some of what it says. In some 
ways, Apple has developed a standard for itself that is very high, and 
now that some of their features are in other devices, some people could 
lose interest. On the other hand, the sales will tell the final story. 
As long as Apple is happy with their sales, they will continue to do 
what they are doing, and why not. If it is selling, why not continue it.

Original message:
A couple of people have been asking about IOS 7 and related topics so 
thought perhaps this article may shed some light.








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Re: Kindle now accessible on iOS.

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Most likely, at least for purchasing the books, you will have to go to 
the site. Apple's policy is, if you want to sell something within your 
application, you have to go through our system so we get our 30 percent 
of the purchase. If you decide you don't want to do that, you cannot 
provide a way to direct users to another place to make in app purchases 
within the app itself.

Original message:
Do you have to go to the store on the amazon site, or can you download 
the books from the app itself?  and, if you do have to go to the store 
on the amazon site, will your books show up in the app?

thanks,
Cait



On 2013-05-01, at 2:08 PM, "David Griffith"  wrote:



There are loads of free Kindle books. The usual classic such as Sherlock
Holmes etc.
Just go to the Kindle store on the Amazon web site.



David Griffith



-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of chris h (sky)
Sent: 01 May 2013 19:00
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Kindle now accessible on iOS.



Hello all
great news about the Kindle iOS app but is there a free book out there I can
try? Don't want to buy a Kindle book to start with plus I am not an avid
reader anyway. Cheers!



On 01/05/2013 16:27, David Griffith wrote:

As an update on my last post I did not hear the prompt for double tap
for menu.
It is not then necessary to go to the Home screen to get to controls.
You simply double tap anywhere on the reading pane to bring up the menu.
I now think that the app is very good.
The even better news is that I loaded Bad Science - book in which
speech has not been enabled on the physical Kindle and it read fine
under voiceover. It appears therefore that there is universal access
to Text to Speech under the Kindle iOS app.




David Griffith



-Original Message-
From: David Griffith [mailto:d.griff...@btinternet.com]
Sent: 01 May 2013 16:04
To: 'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility'
Subject: Kindle now accessible on iOS.



Kindle has announced that it has made the iOS app accessible to voiceover.



I have just tried the app and I think there may be limited cause for
celebration.
It is certainly possible to now download a kindle book and have
Voiceover start reading the text of the book with a  2 finger upwards

swipe.

In this sense it resembles ibooks.
 The fact that  Voiceover can read the Kindle text now is certainly a
major advance.
In one sense the app appears clunky though. I could find no easy way
of exiting the book reading window within the App.
A work around appears to press the Home Key and then re enter the
Kindle App from the Home Screen. On re-entering the app you appear to
be put into a window which allows bookmarking and navigation of the
Book you are reading by percentage. There is also a button to return
to reading the book and a Home button to return to your library where you

can download your books.

It would be far easier if there was a button accessible to Voiceover
which could return you to this screen without having to exit to the
iOS Home Screen. b



It will need a little more experimentation but limited celebration
seems merited.
If anybody else  finds a way around the awkward moving from the
reading pane to the app Home screen and book controls please post.
David Griffith



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Re: Kindle now accessible on iOS.

[Mike Arrigo]

Wonder if they are working on accessibility for other platforms as 
well, in particular android. I hope so.

Original message:

As an update on my last post I did not hear the prompt for double tap for
menu.
It is not then necessary to go to the Home screen to get to controls. You
simply double tap anywhere on the reading pane to bring up the menu.
I now think that the app is very good.
The even better news is that I loaded Bad Science - book in which speech has
not been enabled on the physical Kindle and it read fine under voiceover. It
appears therefore that there is universal access to Text to Speech under the
Kindle iOS app.




David Griffith



-Original Message-
From: David Griffith [mailto:d.griff...@btinternet.com]
Sent: 01 May 2013 16:04
To: 'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility'
Subject: Kindle now accessible on iOS.



Kindle has announced that it has made the iOS app accessible to voiceover.



I have just tried the app and I think there may be limited cause for
celebration.
It is certainly possible to now download a kindle book and have Voiceover
start reading the text of the book with a  2 finger upwards swipe.
In this sense it resembles ibooks.
 The fact that  Voiceover can read the Kindle text now is certainly a major
advance.
In one sense the app appears clunky though. I could find no easy way of
exiting the book reading window within the App.
A work around appears to press the Home Key and then re enter the Kindle App
from the Home Screen. On re-entering the app you appear to be put into a
window which allows bookmarking and navigation of the Book you are reading
by percentage. There is also a button to return to reading the book and a
Home button to return to your library where you can download your books.
It would be far easier if there was a button accessible to Voiceover which
could return you to this screen without having to exit to the iOS Home
Screen. b



It will need a little more experimentation but limited celebration seems
merited.
If anybody else  finds a way around the awkward moving from the reading pane
to the app Home screen and book controls please post.
David Griffith



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Re: using google chrome

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Chrome will work with voiceover pretty well. There are a few 
outstanding issues, the main one I can think of is, if you come to an 
unlabeled link, voiceover does not provide the URL for the link, so 
there is no way to tell what it does. Also, some list boxes do not read.

Original message:
hi i see google chrome works ok it seems under mountain lino so do i 
need the add on, chrome box?

thanks to all, Will



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Re: tessa compact?

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The HQ voices are much higher quality, there's no reason to mess with compact 
voices on the mac.
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> hi all can i get the compact version of tessa as i can on the iPhone and 
> iPad, for mac osx?
> i only see the hq version
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Re: Is there an accessible kindle app for the mac?

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Unfortunately the kindle app is not accessible on the mac, or any other 
platform besides the limited accessibility provided by the plug in for 
the kindle program in windows. It's obvious Amazon has no interest in 
making their books accessible.

Original message:

I have been on the applevis site and seen that the kindle is not accessible.
I was just hoping that things had changed since that was written.
I downloaded one from amazon and voice over doesn't read anything at all.



Thank you,



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Re: New hard; drive what do I do?

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Press command comma to open finder preferences, check the option to show the 
hard drive on your desktop. There are a few ways you can restore from a backup, 
you could just copy the files to the appropriate place, alternatively, you 
might give the migration assistant a try, it should be able to transfer your 
files from a backup.
On Dec 12, 2012, at 9:32 PM, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:

> My hard drive failed in my Mac Mini. I got it back today with a new hard 
> drive, but I have a couple of questions. The first is that when I go to the 
> desktop, I can't see the new hard drive. It usually says Macintosh HD, but I 
> can't see anything except my external hard drive. What can I do to be able to 
> see it?
> 
> I have a backup from before the old hard drive failed. I would like to 
> restore some of this data to the new hard drive. I have never done this 
> before. Can someone tell me how you restore data from a back up? I can't 
> figure it out.
> 
> Thank you very much in advance.
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Re: applications key windows with vmware

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Try holding the shift key and pressing F10
Original message:
hi, does anyone know how to bring up context menus in vmware with the 
apple bluetooth keyboard? or do i have to use the apple extended 
keyboard to do it? amy

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Re: labeling graphics

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Yes, I believe the command is control option slash. While you can do 
this, you should also contact the developer of the application that has 
the graphics in question, this responsibility is really the developers' 
to do, not ours.

Original message:

Hi list:


I was wondering if there was a way to label graphics on or using my 
macbook pro?



Any help would be appreciated.
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Re: Resetting a mac.

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I would say the best way is to reinstall. If you hold command+r before it boots 
up, it should boot in to the recovery. At that point, you can erase the main 
part of the hard drive and do a reinstall. Be sure that she has any important 
files backed up first of course.
On Nov 25, 2012, at 7:22 PM, Danny Noonan  wrote:

> A friend is having issues with her iMac running MountainLion and rather than 
> spending a lot of time trying to work out what she's done to make it not 
> work, [I'm having trouble getting her to explain symptoms so aren't much help 
> with this], she wants to simply start over. Is the easiest way for her to 
> reset her mac to a clean setup to actually reinstall MountainLion? 
> 
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Re: Has anyone found the need to consistently restart VoiceOver when loading webpages?

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Having an odd issue with chromevox at the moment, it doesn't speak if voiceover 
is turned on, the 2 used to work ok together. Chrome doesn't have the busy 
problem but it does have some odd quirks. Voiceover is unable to read certain 
list boxes, and if you come across some unlabeled links, voiceover does not 
read the url of the link so you have no idea what it is, in safari it provides 
this information. Over all though, chrome works pretty well.
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> Interestingly, the "busy, busy, busy" annoyance in Safari went away when I 
> upgraded to ML. The trade-off was that Bento has now taken over the "busy, 
> busy, busy" behavior.
> 
> Regarding Chrome: I've been using it with ChromeVox a lot lately as one of my 
> classes is neck-deep into Google Docs and I've found Chrome to offer the best 
> GDocs experience.
> 
> On Nov 8, 2012, at 7:29 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
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>> I have not updated to mountain lion yet one of my mac minis will not run it, 
>> but the other mini and macbook will, just a matter of finding time to do it. 
>> Anyway, with 10.7.5 and the newest safari, there are times when voiceover 
>> gets stuck in it's busy, busy loop and I do need to turn voiceover off and 
>> back on to access the page. Another thing that happens at times, and it 
>> seems kind of random is, a page will load, I will either search for 
>> something on the page or try to navigate to something such as a heading, 
>> voiceover will act like the search text was not found and will say next 
>> heading not found. If I press command+r to reload the page it works fine. I 
>> have found that using google chrome instead of safari eliminates some of 
>> this, especially the busy messages.
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Re: Has anyone found the need to consistently restart VoiceOver when loading webpages?

[Mike Arrigo]

I have not updated to mountain lion yet one of my mac minis will not run it, 
but the other mini and macbook will, just a matter of finding time to do it. 
Anyway, with 10.7.5 and the newest safari, there are times when voiceover gets 
stuck in it's busy, busy loop and I do need to turn voiceover off and back on 
to access the page. Another thing that happens at times, and it seems kind of 
random is, a page will load, I will either search for something on the page or 
try to navigate to something such as a heading, voiceover will act like the 
search text was not found and will say next heading not found. If I press 
command+r to reload the page it works fine. I have found that using google 
chrome instead of safari eliminates some of this, especially the busy messages.
On Nov 8, 2012, at 6:03 PM, Bryan Jones wrote:

> This happens on my i7 MBA all the time. It was SOP under Lion and seems to be 
> a bit worse in ML with safari 6 and webkit nightlies. I'll load up a webpage, 
> bring up the web rotor, and will either have no elements listed or just a few 
> items, usually in the links section. If I cycle VO, the elements become 
> available.
> 
> I've often wondered if it's related to internet connection speed and/or mac 
> hardware specs, but I've not spent much time troubleshooting beyond the 
> standard cache flushes, etc. I'm thinking I'll wipe this drive at some point 
> and start with a fresh build of ML to see if that takes care of this and 
> several other nagging issues.
> 
> Cheers,
> Bryan
> 
> On Nov 8, 2012, at 6:44 AM, JAMES AUSTIN  wrote:
>> When clicking on links, has anyone else noticed the seemingly constant need 
>> to restart VoiceOver under Safari 6x? It's as if even though the page loads, 
>> VoiceOver does not register it. Restarting VoiceOver seems to remedy this. 
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Re: Microsoft to Close Messenger and consolidate Im Services on Skype

[Mike Arrigo]

I think microsoft is trying to consolidate things a bit. To have both 
services would be redundant.

Original message:
No, sorry. Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. I did not mean that I won't, 
but I meant for others that might not want to. Not necessarily here, 
but in general. As for Skype, I use it all the time and love it!



Sent from my iPhone



On Nov 6, 2012, at 10:41 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:



Possibly, but why would you not want to use skype, it's accessible.
On Nov 6, 2012, at 8:34 PM, Josh Gregory wrote:


This will certainly be nice for some, but what about those that don't 
want to use Skype? Are they just left in the dark?



Sent from my iPhone



On Nov 6, 2012, at 9:22 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:


Ok, I've installed the newest version of skype. And yes, if you sign 
out of your skype account it will provide an option to sign in with 
your windows live messenger account and to merge the 2 together. Once 
you do this, you will use your windows live messenger user name and 
password to sign in to skype, and the messenger contacts do show up 
along with your skype contacts as well as an indication as to whether 
it's a messenger or skype contact. Realy nice actually no need to use a 
separate messenger app anymore, I like the change.

On Nov 6, 2012, at 4:47 PM, william lomas wrote:



so this will mean no more adium usage?



Begin forwarded message:



From: Chris 
Subject: Microsoft to Close Messenger and consolidate Im Services on Skype
Date: 6 November 2012 22:27:01 GMT
To: "Techno-Chat ... Technology Enthusiasm!" 
Reply-To: "Techno-Chat ... Technology Enthusiasm!" 



This will be the end of an era for some of us. The article is pasted 
below. The source is unknown.



*Microsoft to close Messenger and consolidate IM service on Skype**
**By Juan Carlos Perez, IDG News Service**
**
**Nov 6, 2012 12:45 PM**

**Microsoft will shut down Windows Live Messenger next year, compelling 
users to migrate to Skype, whose latest version can import users' 
Messenger contacts.**

**
**With the exception of mainland China, Windows Live Messenger will 
close in the first quarter of 2013, and its users should install the 
latest version of Skype, Microsoft said on Tuesday.**

**
**Users can sign into the Skype service with the credentials they use 
to access their Microsoft online services, including Windows Live 
Messenger. They will find their Windows Live Messenger contacts on 
their Skype contacts list. If they used both Windows Live Messenger and 
Skype, the contacts lists will be merged.**

**
**"We want to focus our efforts on making things simpler for our users 
while continuously improving the overall experience," wrote Tony Bates, 
Skype's president, in a blog post.**

**
**To encourage Windows Live Messenger users to update to Skype, Bates 
touted several benefits they'll get from Skype, including support for 
more devices such as iPad and Android tablets, screen sharing, the 
ability to place calls to landline phones, and group video conferencing.**

**
**However, this type of migration is rarely seamless, and users are 
already raising questions in comments to Bates' blog post, including 
the availability of certain Windows Live Messenger features and the 
capacity of the Skype infrastructure to sustain the new workload.**

**
**Microsoft, which acquired Skype in October 2011 for $8.5 billion, 
will provide more information about the transition, as well as 
introduce special offers for fee-based Skype services, in the coming 
months, Bates wrote.**

*



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Re: Microsoft to Close Messenger and consolidate Im Services on Skype

[Mike Arrigo]

Possibly, but why would you not want to use skype, it's accessible.
On Nov 6, 2012, at 8:34 PM, Josh Gregory wrote:

> This will certainly be nice for some, but what about those that don't want to 
> use Skype? Are they just left in the dark?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 6, 2012, at 9:22 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
>> Ok, I've installed the newest version of skype. And yes, if you sign out of 
>> your skype account it will provide an option to sign in with your windows 
>> live messenger account and to merge the 2 together. Once you do this, you 
>> will use your windows live messenger user name and password to sign in to 
>> skype, and the messenger contacts do show up along with your skype contacts 
>> as well as an indication as to whether it's a messenger or skype contact. 
>> Realy nice actually no need to use a separate messenger app anymore, I like 
>> the change.
>> On Nov 6, 2012, at 4:47 PM, william lomas wrote:
>> 
>>> so this will mean no more adium usage?
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>>> From: Chris 
>>>> Subject: Microsoft to Close Messenger and consolidate Im Services on Skype
>>>> Date: 6 November 2012 22:27:01 GMT
>>>> To: "Techno-Chat ... Technology Enthusiasm!" 
>>>> Reply-To: "Techno-Chat ... Technology Enthusiasm!" 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> This will be the end of an era for some of us. The article is pasted 
>>>> below. The source is unknown.
>>>> 
>>>> *Microsoft to close Messenger and consolidate IM service on Skype**
>>>> **By Juan Carlos Perez, IDG News Service**
>>>> **
>>>> **Nov 6, 2012 12:45 PM**
>>>> 
>>>> **Microsoft will shut down Windows Live Messenger next year, compelling 
>>>> users to migrate to Skype, whose latest version can import users' 
>>>> Messenger contacts.**
>>>> **
>>>> **With the exception of mainland China, Windows Live Messenger will close 
>>>> in the first quarter of 2013, and its users should install the latest 
>>>> version of Skype, Microsoft said on Tuesday.**
>>>> **
>>>> **Users can sign into the Skype service with the credentials they use to 
>>>> access their Microsoft online services, including Windows Live Messenger. 
>>>> They will find their Windows Live Messenger contacts on their Skype 
>>>> contacts list. If they used both Windows Live Messenger and Skype, the 
>>>> contacts lists will be merged.**
>>>> **
>>>> **"We want to focus our efforts on making things simpler for our users 
>>>> while continuously improving the overall experience," wrote Tony Bates, 
>>>> Skype's president, in a blog post.**
>>>> **
>>>> **To encourage Windows Live Messenger users to update to Skype, Bates 
>>>> touted several benefits they'll get from Skype, including support for more 
>>>> devices such as iPad and Android tablets, screen sharing, the ability to 
>>>> place calls to landline phones, and group video conferencing.**
>>>> **
>>>> **However, this type of migration is rarely seamless, and users are 
>>>> already raising questions in comments to Bates' blog post, including the 
>>>> availability of certain Windows Live Messenger features and the capacity 
>>>> of the Skype infrastructure to sustain the new workload.**
>>>> **
>>>> **Microsoft, which acquired Skype in October 2011 for $8.5 billion, will 
>>>> provide more information about the transition, as well as introduce 
>>>> special offers for fee-based Skype services, in the coming months, Bates 
>>>> wrote.**
>>>> *
>>>> 
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Re: Microsoft to Close Messenger and consolidate Im Services on Skype

[Mike Arrigo]

Ok, I've installed the newest version of skype. And yes, if you sign out of 
your skype account it will provide an option to sign in with your windows live 
messenger account and to merge the 2 together. Once you do this, you will use 
your windows live messenger user name and password to sign in to skype, and the 
messenger contacts do show up along with your skype contacts as well as an 
indication as to whether it's a messenger or skype contact. Realy nice actually 
no need to use a separate messenger app anymore, I like the change.
On Nov 6, 2012, at 4:47 PM, william lomas wrote:

> so this will mean no more adium usage?
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Chris 
>> Subject: Microsoft to Close Messenger and consolidate Im Services on Skype
>> Date: 6 November 2012 22:27:01 GMT
>> To: "Techno-Chat ... Technology Enthusiasm!" 
>> Reply-To: "Techno-Chat ... Technology Enthusiasm!" 
>> 
>> 
>> This will be the end of an era for some of us. The article is pasted below. 
>> The source is unknown.
>> 
>> *Microsoft to close Messenger and consolidate IM service on Skype**
>> **By Juan Carlos Perez, IDG News Service**
>> **
>> **Nov 6, 2012 12:45 PM**
>> 
>> **Microsoft will shut down Windows Live Messenger next year, compelling 
>> users to migrate to Skype, whose latest version can import users' Messenger 
>> contacts.**
>> **
>> **With the exception of mainland China, Windows Live Messenger will close in 
>> the first quarter of 2013, and its users should install the latest version 
>> of Skype, Microsoft said on Tuesday.**
>> **
>> **Users can sign into the Skype service with the credentials they use to 
>> access their Microsoft online services, including Windows Live Messenger. 
>> They will find their Windows Live Messenger contacts on their Skype contacts 
>> list. If they used both Windows Live Messenger and Skype, the contacts lists 
>> will be merged.**
>> **
>> **"We want to focus our efforts on making things simpler for our users while 
>> continuously improving the overall experience," wrote Tony Bates, Skype's 
>> president, in a blog post.**
>> **
>> **To encourage Windows Live Messenger users to update to Skype, Bates touted 
>> several benefits they'll get from Skype, including support for more devices 
>> such as iPad and Android tablets, screen sharing, the ability to place calls 
>> to landline phones, and group video conferencing.**
>> **
>> **However, this type of migration is rarely seamless, and users are already 
>> raising questions in comments to Bates' blog post, including the 
>> availability of certain Windows Live Messenger features and the capacity of 
>> the Skype infrastructure to sustain the new workload.**
>> **
>> **Microsoft, which acquired Skype in October 2011 for $8.5 billion, will 
>> provide more information about the transition, as well as introduce special 
>> offers for fee-based Skype services, in the coming months, Bates wrote.**
>> *
>> 
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>> 
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Re: Microsoft to Close Messenger and consolidate Im Services on Skype

[Mike Arrigo]

Skype on the mac is accessible, in some ways it would make things simpler if 
this is true.
On Nov 6, 2012, at 4:47 PM, william lomas wrote:

> so this will mean no more adium usage?
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Chris 
>> Subject: Microsoft to Close Messenger and consolidate Im Services on Skype
>> Date: 6 November 2012 22:27:01 GMT
>> To: "Techno-Chat ... Technology Enthusiasm!" 
>> Reply-To: "Techno-Chat ... Technology Enthusiasm!" 
>> 
>> 
>> This will be the end of an era for some of us. The article is pasted below. 
>> The source is unknown.
>> 
>> *Microsoft to close Messenger and consolidate IM service on Skype**
>> **By Juan Carlos Perez, IDG News Service**
>> **
>> **Nov 6, 2012 12:45 PM**
>> 
>> **Microsoft will shut down Windows Live Messenger next year, compelling 
>> users to migrate to Skype, whose latest version can import users' Messenger 
>> contacts.**
>> **
>> **With the exception of mainland China, Windows Live Messenger will close in 
>> the first quarter of 2013, and its users should install the latest version 
>> of Skype, Microsoft said on Tuesday.**
>> **
>> **Users can sign into the Skype service with the credentials they use to 
>> access their Microsoft online services, including Windows Live Messenger. 
>> They will find their Windows Live Messenger contacts on their Skype contacts 
>> list. If they used both Windows Live Messenger and Skype, the contacts lists 
>> will be merged.**
>> **
>> **"We want to focus our efforts on making things simpler for our users while 
>> continuously improving the overall experience," wrote Tony Bates, Skype's 
>> president, in a blog post.**
>> **
>> **To encourage Windows Live Messenger users to update to Skype, Bates touted 
>> several benefits they'll get from Skype, including support for more devices 
>> such as iPad and Android tablets, screen sharing, the ability to place calls 
>> to landline phones, and group video conferencing.**
>> **
>> **However, this type of migration is rarely seamless, and users are already 
>> raising questions in comments to Bates' blog post, including the 
>> availability of certain Windows Live Messenger features and the capacity of 
>> the Skype infrastructure to sustain the new workload.**
>> **
>> **Microsoft, which acquired Skype in October 2011 for $8.5 billion, will 
>> provide more information about the transition, as well as introduce special 
>> offers for fee-based Skype services, in the coming months, Bates wrote.**
>> *
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Re: A More Accessible Skype interface.

[Mike Arrigo]

For me at least, the regular skype works fine, I can read my contacts, 
answer calls, and read and respond to chat messages without problems.

Original message:

Hi Folks:


I don't suppose that there are any programmers on this list who have 
thought about creating a more accessible Skype access program such as 
GWConnect in the Windows environment?



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Re: the muder application

[Mike Arrigo]

Yes, she got it from the mac app store, though I'm beginning to wonder if there 
is more than one app with that name, I've been using voiceover on the mac for 
over 4 years, if there were any labeled buttons in this app, I would have found 
them. This had the typical zoom, minimize and close buttons, and then 3 
controls that said unknown. Also, there was nopreferences window, only a 
preferences menu where you could enable or disable different things such as the 
status bar.
On Oct 7, 2012, at 6:41 PM, Orin wrote:

> Did you get it from the Mac app store? The version you get from the app store 
> doesn't have any unknowns. In fact, the button labels are actually too 
> verbose in my opinion.
> 
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> On Oct 7, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
>> Hey everyone, was trying to get the muder application on the mac to work for 
>> a friend of mine. I know others on this list have said it's useable. What 
>> exactly did you do to make it work? When navigating around the application, 
>> voiceover just says unknown, unknown, which indicates the application is 
>> using nonstandard controls. There is nothing in the menus to change this, 
>> and no options to enable a self voicing feature. For those who have gotten 
>> this application to work, what exactly did you do to enable access? Is it 
>> supposed to work with voiceover or provide its own speech? We need step by 
>> step here, not just to say that the app works fine and is accessible. Thanks 
>> for any info you can provide.
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the muder application

[Mike Arrigo]

Hey everyone, was trying to get the muder application on the mac to work for a 
friend of mine. I know others on this list have said it's useable. What exactly 
did you do to make it work? When navigating around the application, voiceover 
just says unknown, unknown, which indicates the application is using 
nonstandard controls. There is nothing in the menus to change this, and no 
options to enable a self voicing feature. For those who have gotten this 
application to work, what exactly did you do to enable access? Is it supposed 
to work with voiceover or provide its own speech? We need step by step here, 
not just to say that the app works fine and is accessible. Thanks for any info 
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Re: an accessible fan and tempriture monitoring app.

[Mike Arrigo]

For fan cntrol, check out smc fan control. I think there is an app called 
temperature monitor, doing a google search should find it.
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Re: My Thoughts on the Mac Accessibility was RE: Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools; A Passionate Rant [Was "so wish apple had done this"]

[Mike Arrigo]

Yes, the numpad does make things easier, and on the laptops, you can use the 
trackpad commander which also makes navigating much easier.
On Sep 29, 2012, at 11:18 PM, Shaun Oliver wrote:

> I've also had it said to me that if you can get hold of a numpad, bluetooth 
> or otherwise, you can make full use of numpad commander and it makes the 
> navigating experience just that much better.
> I personally had no issue with learning to use the mac. I learned to drive on 
> around two years ago, as a friend of mine had one. ever since then, I could 
> wander into a store, turn voiceover on and have a play.
> Now I have one, I've not looked back.
> 
> On 30/09/2012, at 12:45 PM, "Debbie April Yuille"  
> wrote:
> 
>> Here, Here. Well said. I've just migrated to mac and I'm quite surprised
>> with how accessible it really is. I have virtually no site, and I'm learning
>> to get around it quite well. I particularly love the way that you can use
>> the Item chooser to navigate around a page rather than tab around a hole
>> screen in other systems to find what you want. 
>> 
>> Debbie
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lynnette
>> Annabel Smith
>> Sent: Sunday, 30 September 2012 3:39 AM
>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools; A Passionate Rant [Was
>> "so wish apple had done this"]
>> 
>> Hello John, Will and all
>> 
>> As somebody with vision looking in, so to speak, I frequently find it
>> astonishing when I hear people criticising what Apple is doing with
>> accessibility; particularly in view of the practicalities. For instance,
>> unless you're a pirate and by definition, therefore, a thief, Freedom
>> Scientific, GW Micro and Dolphin Access, to name but three vendors, charge a
>> very great deal of money for their accessibility tools. Also, Microsoft
>> charges for their operating system, even for the most basic version, over 5
>> times what Apple does. VoiceOver is a free and, most of the time, very
>> reliable product. It gives the user access to a WYSIWYG, (what you see is
>> what you get) interface to websites. Most of which can, if you take the time
>> to learn to use it, be navigated extremely well using VoiceOver and Safari.
>> 
>> Ultimately, it really depends upon the individual. If you just want a sheet
>> of virtual paper with a hand-holding web environment, by all means use your
>> other products and I wish you the very best of luck in all you do.
>> 
>> I, (and I count my lucky stars, believe me), have the advantage of vision
>> and I have seen both sides of this. I do see some sites where VoiceOver just
>> will not play nicely and yes, we have seen some pretty spectacular crashes
>> at times. However, in the general scheme of things, the environment is more
>> stable and just as, if not more, reliable than the competition if, and it is
>> a very big if, the pilot of the machine takes the time and effort to learn
>> to handle it.
>> 
>> I sincerely hope that we see a time when Apple perfects their accessibility
>> tools. But make no mistake about it; they are committed to accessibility and
>> they will improve their offerings. Remember also that the competing products
>> have been available far far longer than has VoiceOver. Yes, I know that you
>> can't always go by that and I know also that Apple has been involved in the
>> field of accessibility for around 8 years now. However, just cast your mind
>> back to how things were before Apple entered the market. Apple really has
>> made a difference, not only to their own products, but also the competition.
>> 
>> I recall the vice president of one accessibility company saying:
>> "It's all very well having an operating system with a talking installer. But
>> that's not much use if you can't do anything with it afterwards."
>> 
>> That statement was a direct quote. It was, and remains, the utterings of a
>> frightened man who feared losing custom. As things have worked out, that is
>> exactly what has happened. Literally tens of thousands of visually impaired
>> users across the world have now migrated to Apple's products; desktop and
>> mobile. Indeed, the vice president of Freedom Scientific himself is the
>> proud owner of an iPhone. Make of that what you will!
>> 
>> Anyway, I am ranting. But I sometimes find it really disappointing when I
>> hear people complaining like this. People who have freedom to choose. The
>> long and the short of this is: If you want perfection, you'll be waiting for
>> a very very long time. If you are prepared to be flexible and innovative,
>> you have the power at your fingertips, quite literally in some cases. If,
>> however, you are happy with constant virtualisation, hand-holding and costly
>> solutions, then perhaps Apple's platforms are not for you. yes, there are
>> free and low-cost applications available out there for other operating
>> systems. And tha

Re: My Thoughts on the Mac Accessibility was RE: Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools; A Passionate Rant [Was "so wish apple had done this"]

[Mike Arrigo]

I love the mac, I no longer have a pc here, voiceover does things somewhat 
differently than the windows screen readers, but once you get usd to that, it 
works just as well as the windows screen readers and in many ways, it works 
better.
On Sep 29, 2012, at 10:15 PM, Debbie April Yuille wrote:

> Here, Here. Well said. I've just migrated to mac and I'm quite surprised
> with how accessible it really is. I have virtually no site, and I'm learning
> to get around it quite well. I particularly love the way that you can use
> the Item chooser to navigate around a page rather than tab around a hole
> screen in other systems to find what you want. 
> 
> Debbie
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lynnette
> Annabel Smith
> Sent: Sunday, 30 September 2012 3:39 AM
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools; A Passionate Rant [Was
> "so wish apple had done this"]
> 
> Hello John, Will and all
> 
> As somebody with vision looking in, so to speak, I frequently find it
> astonishing when I hear people criticising what Apple is doing with
> accessibility; particularly in view of the practicalities. For instance,
> unless you're a pirate and by definition, therefore, a thief, Freedom
> Scientific, GW Micro and Dolphin Access, to name but three vendors, charge a
> very great deal of money for their accessibility tools. Also, Microsoft
> charges for their operating system, even for the most basic version, over 5
> times what Apple does. VoiceOver is a free and, most of the time, very
> reliable product. It gives the user access to a WYSIWYG, (what you see is
> what you get) interface to websites. Most of which can, if you take the time
> to learn to use it, be navigated extremely well using VoiceOver and Safari.
> 
> Ultimately, it really depends upon the individual. If you just want a sheet
> of virtual paper with a hand-holding web environment, by all means use your
> other products and I wish you the very best of luck in all you do.
> 
> I, (and I count my lucky stars, believe me), have the advantage of vision
> and I have seen both sides of this. I do see some sites where VoiceOver just
> will not play nicely and yes, we have seen some pretty spectacular crashes
> at times. However, in the general scheme of things, the environment is more
> stable and just as, if not more, reliable than the competition if, and it is
> a very big if, the pilot of the machine takes the time and effort to learn
> to handle it.
> 
> I sincerely hope that we see a time when Apple perfects their accessibility
> tools. But make no mistake about it; they are committed to accessibility and
> they will improve their offerings. Remember also that the competing products
> have been available far far longer than has VoiceOver. Yes, I know that you
> can't always go by that and I know also that Apple has been involved in the
> field of accessibility for around 8 years now. However, just cast your mind
> back to how things were before Apple entered the market. Apple really has
> made a difference, not only to their own products, but also the competition.
> 
> I recall the vice president of one accessibility company saying:
> "It's all very well having an operating system with a talking installer. But
> that's not much use if you can't do anything with it afterwards."
> 
> That statement was a direct quote. It was, and remains, the utterings of a
> frightened man who feared losing custom. As things have worked out, that is
> exactly what has happened. Literally tens of thousands of visually impaired
> users across the world have now migrated to Apple's products; desktop and
> mobile. Indeed, the vice president of Freedom Scientific himself is the
> proud owner of an iPhone. Make of that what you will!
> 
> Anyway, I am ranting. But I sometimes find it really disappointing when I
> hear people complaining like this. People who have freedom to choose. The
> long and the short of this is: If you want perfection, you'll be waiting for
> a very very long time. If you are prepared to be flexible and innovative,
> you have the power at your fingertips, quite literally in some cases. If,
> however, you are happy with constant virtualisation, hand-holding and costly
> solutions, then perhaps Apple's platforms are not for you. yes, there are
> free and low-cost applications available out there for other operating
> systems. And that is to be applauded. However, you are still working within
> the confines of an often insecure, vulnerable and unstable environment.
> 
> Which ever option you choose to take is entirely down to your preference.
> However, although I can understand a degree of frustration when things don't
> quite work out; and yes, it does happen to my other half as well quite
> frequently, the best thing you could do is to make the most of the failures.
> Try to reliably replicate them and, if possible

Re: Find next control

[Mike Arrigo]

No need to set anything up, it's already done. Control option command j 
and control option shift command j moves to next and previous respectively.

Original message:

Hello,
Is there any way to set up a VoiceOver hotkey which would read the 
next/prior control on a web page? I want this to read the next edit box 
or the next button or the next check box or the next radio button. The 
WindowEyes screen reader on that other OS had this function which I 
found very useful particularly for doing web searches or entering data 
in a web page. I see that Safari has the idea of web spots and land 
marks but I am not clear what these are and whether they relate in any 
way to controls.
I could use the keyboard commander to define hotkeys for next/prior 
text field, next/prior button, next/prior check box and so on but that 
is a lot of hotkeys to remember. A more general find next/prior control 
would be easier to remember and almost as useful.

Best regards



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Re: Considering Mac, questions about Voiceover/access

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I do most of my web browsing on the mac. It is different than windows, 
you generally move item by item, the mac does things differently than 
windows, and keeping this in mind should make things easier.

Original message:

I have recently switched from Windows to Mac - JAWS12 to VoiceOver.


Word Processing - very disappointing as I use Tables extensively.  
Pages is slow loading and getting into editing quite tiresome.  I am 
finding it difficult to get used to "interacting" with this and that.


I still find web browsing rather finicky as you have to use a number of 
ways to access it:  turning NavKeys on/off;  using the ItemUser and the 
inability to cursoring vertically rather irksome.


For scanning purposes I use the ReadIt wand (which works very well) 
but, funnily enough, for this I have to use  VM to  virtualise the 
Windows platform!



I have not yet used Numbers (for spreadsheet work) : so cannot comment.


On the positive side:  this list is a good place to be as people are 
very helpful in their informed responses.



Good luck!!




On 15 Aug 2012, at 09:48, Catherine Turner wrote:



Hi all,



I don't have a Mac at the moment but am considering getting one and
have some questions about Voiceover and general Mac access which I
wonder if people could help me with?



1.  With word processing, is VO able to give font/formatting information?



2.  I use spreadsheets a fair bit and databases a little.  I currently
use Excel with JAWS and quite often monitor certain cells so I can at
a keystroke find out what's in them.  Does anyone here do anything
similar on Mac?  How configurable is VO when working in spreadsheets
e.g. is there a keystroke for reading a column total and can you set
which row the total is in either in VO or the spreadsheet program?



3.  Scanning/OCR - what are people using for this?  How do you find it
and what sort of things do you scan?



4.  Sound editing and MIDI - I do a fair bit of sound editing in wave
format, currently in Goldwave.  I haven't started doing any MIDI yet
but hope to in the future.  So I don't know much about the MIDI but am
just wondering if anyone is doing any Mac and what you use, how you're
finding it.



If anyone has any comments/feedback on the above questions that'd be
great.  Or if anyone here has switched from Windows to Mac and has any
other observations I'd be interested in hearing them.



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Re: Roxio Toast 11 Ptro

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I'm very interested in this, that's one area on the mac that is lacking, a 
modern, optical disk creation program, I wish nero would develop for the mac, 
would love to know how the main application works.
On Aug 5, 2012, at 4:17 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> I've just bought a copy of Toast 11 Pro for Mac OS X by Roxio.  Primarily it 
> will be used by Lynne but, if anybody is interested in this from the 
> perspective of accessibility, do let me know and I will report to the group 
> what I find.  I know that some of the apps are not going to be accessible.  
> For instance, Adobe Photoshop Element Pro.  But my understanding is that the 
> CD/DVD/BluRay burning side of this app suite has been totally redesigned so 
> hopefully it might work under VoiceOver and fill a hole.
> 
> Yes, I know, you can do things like CD copying in other ways.  But to be 
> honest I sometimes get tired of having to spend a lot of time rummaging 
> around to find a way to easily get the job done.  I also have a copy of 
> DragonBurn by NTI Corporation.  But I'm given to understand that is no longer 
> under development and they have lost interest in the Mac community because 
> there isn't a lot of profit in it for them.
> 
> So anyway, if anybody is interested just say the word and I'll tell you what 
> I find.
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Re: Any progress?

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There was nothing mentioned about these in mountain lion, personally I don't 
see what else could really be done, navigation works fine on the web.
On Jul 26, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Christo Thiardt wrote:

> Hello
> 
> thanks to Gordon for answering my question regarding changing to Mountain 
> Lion.
> 
> Is there improvement in navigating web pages especially vertical cursoring?
> 
> Any improvement in accessibility of tables?
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Re: Adobe suspends work on accessible Flash Player for the Mac.

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Adobe is also moving away from flash on android and other mobile platforms, 
hopefully web developers will get rid of flash and move to html 5, that's the 
real solution here.
On Jul 13, 2012, at 12:04 AM, Bryan Jones wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> 
> I guess this comes as no surprise, but it seems the folks at Adobe have 
> decided not to make FLash Player accessible on the Mac after all. Adobe made 
> a big deal back in March of 2010 when they announced their intention to make 
> Flash Player accessible on Mac, Linux & Windows. The promise has gone 
> unfulfilled on the Mac and this evening an Adobe representative posted the 
> following as part of a reply to a blog comment:
> 
> 
> "As far as the accessible version of the Flash Player for the Mac, we 
> announced at CSUN about a change in focus for the Flash Player – the Flash 
> Player focus is on casual gaming and video – and the current guidance is to 
> use native controls rather than embedding them within the Flash Player. As a 
> result, the plan to deliver a Flash Player for the Mac with accessibility 
> support was suspended."
> 
> 
> I guess the silver lining here is the fact that Adobe mentions "native 
> controls" which I hope means something potentially more accessible.
> 
> Link to the full blog post, which is not specifically addressing Flash 
> Player. The quote comes from the comments section.
> http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/2012/06/ruling-on-accessibility-and-the-ada.html#comments
> 
> Link to Adobe's March 2010 post announcig the "good news" about forthcoming 
> Flash accessibility:
> http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/2010/03/flash_player_and_flex_support.html
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Re: control characters in terminal

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I believe the contrl character does need to be there, yes
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> Control d in terminal is the same as control z within windows. Control Z 
> within terminal or technically bash is suspend a process. 
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> In relation to your query, it depends on the app you are using. Do you want 
> the control char to be present in a bash script?
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control characters in terminal

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Hey everyone, for the first time I actually have a need to use terminal to 
flash a new rom on my android phone. In order to do this without sight, I am 
creating a shell script, having one issue. To end the script, you press 
control+d. This seems to do something different in windows command prompt than 
in the mac terminal. In windows, it looks like it produces a carrot, that's a 
shifted 6 ad a capital D, however on the mac it seems to do something 
different, and typing the carror and a capital D manually also does not work. 
Does anyone know how to generate control characters in terminal?
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Re: Apple MacBook Air SuperDrive & MacBook Pro Don't Get Along Together!

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I remember reading somewhere on the apple site that the super drive only works 
on certain computers, namely, the mini and macbook air, it does not work on 
others. Doesn't make much sense, but apple does not always make sense with the 
choices they make.
On Jun 17, 2012, at 3:26 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello everybody
> 
> Just a quick question. I have a MacBook Pro 13' and a MacBook Air Superdrive. 
> I cannot get the MacBook Pro to see the external superdrive at all, no matter 
> what I do. In fact it doesn't even appear to be powering up. Is this expected 
> behaviour? The superdrive isn't faulty because if I plug it into a mac Mini 
> Server, it works fine. Could this be a firmware issue and, if so, is there a 
> way around it? I wanted to copy some disks but didn't want to use just the 
> internal drive because the process is painfully slow.
> 
> Thank you. in advance for any information.
> 
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Re: Mac Mini And Apple Superdrive

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That is a shame. One thing I do not like about the external super drive is that 
the USB cable is hard wired in to the drive, so if the cable has problems, you 
can't just replace it.
On May 30, 2012, at 2:27 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello everybody
> 
> Today we finally admitted defeat in our quest to have our late 2011 Mac Mini 
> Server machines boot from our generic DVD drives. We, Gordon and I, went into 
> town and bought 2 Apple MacBook Air Superdrives. We did this very much 
> against our will, as we do not agree with Apple's new policy of forcing the 
> user to use none but their own hardware in this way.
> 
> Anyway, we've just got back from a very enjoyable bike ride, and we unpacked 
> the first of the Superdrives; well, I should say Gordon did, while I watched. 
> We have just tried booting from an OS DVD and, guess what! The machine boots 
> perfectly. So it would appear that those who told us this was the case were 
> correct and Apple has indeed done something with their firmware to make this 
> restriction happen.
> 
> So, if anybody else is in the same situation, it looks like you'll have to 
> shell out more money. As for us, we now have 2 Rico DVD-RW drives, both 
> capable of writing dual layer DVDs, sitting here doing absolutely nothing. 
> Well, we could use one with our NetBook I guess.
> 
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Re: Apple to reject Mac App Store apps using hotkeys starting June 1?

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I actually wonder if this is a hoax, it simply makes no sense whatsoever for 
Apple to do something like this.
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> Not a very good move  on apple's part. I suggest we write to 
> accesibil...@apple.com. i just did myself just a few minutes ago.
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Re: Parallels Desktop; No, it isn't accessible

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I would suggest using fusion, even if you could use the virtual machine once 
it's set up, why support a company that has been told many times about the 
inaccessibility of their product and refuses to fix it. Fusion does everything 
parallels does, and it's very accessible.
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> Hello Murielle
> 
> No, Parallels isn't at all accessible. If you could get somebody to set up 
> your virtual machine for you, then there's a way to use it with Parallels. 
> But the Parallels Desktop interface is totally inaccessible. This has been 
> discussed quite often on list. :)
> 
> Lynne
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> Is parallele destop usable for a blind?
> Sorry for my prblem to understand all : my native langage is not english and 
> scratching : I don't know that word...
> It's why I don't understand...
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screen reader survey

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Hey everyone, there is a new screen reader survey available, I would suggest 
everyone take the survey to give voiceover as many useage stats as possible, 
here is the link.
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Re: copying music from a external NTFS drive to a Mac mini

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Just connect the drive, the mac will have no problems readng an ntfs drive, it 
just will not be able to write to it. If you're going to be sharing a drive 
between the mac and windows, best thing to do is format it as fat32, this works 
for both platforms.
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> formatted in NTFS. It contains about 400GB of music, which I would like to 
> copy to my Mac Mini. How can I accomplish this?
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> I do not have Windows simulation on my Mac mini.
> All of the music is not in my iTunes library.
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Re: sirius XM iPhone app

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This is doable, but can be difficult. At this point, you have to turn off 
voiceover and touch the bottom of the screen, usually this will get you back to 
the channel list, you can then turn voiceover back on again and select another 
channel. Hopefully they will fix this, they have certainly been made aware of 
it.
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> channel.  It seems that many of the buttons are unlabeled.  Anyone have any 
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Re: Browser choices

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I use chrome at times, I think it's faster than safari though there are still a 
few issues with it with voiceover, apparently firefox access is also in the 
works.
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Re: My PC died

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Yes, the current minis no longer have this, I think apple removed it too soon, 
should have waited another year or 2
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> If I'm remembering correctly, the minis that are out there now do not have a 
> cd/dvd drive. Is this true? I bought my mimi a little over a year ago and so 
> it has one. I'm thinking about iMacs. Do any of you have one?
> 
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>> You could get a mac mini, these are priced decently and you could install 
>> windows 7 on it, I would not get another pc, that's for sure.
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>>> some apps that I still use that are PC. I haven't found anything Apple to 
>>> replace them with as yet. Given that, would I be better off to still get an 
>>> Apple and put a Windows 7 OS on it to run these? Or, would it be better to 
>>> go with another PC? I want to do what makes the most sense, but I do love 
>>> the accessibility of the Apple and if I could bring it home and do all the 
>>> setup myself, it'd sure be cool.
>>> 
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Re: My PC died

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You could get a mac mini, these are priced decently and you could install 
windows 7 on it, I would not get another pc, that's for sure.
On Feb 9, 2012, at 2:56 PM, Kristeen Hughes wrote:

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> memory or whatever is wrong. It doesn't even pretend to boot. There are some 
> apps that I still use that are PC. I haven't found anything Apple to replace 
> them with as yet. Given that, would I be better off to still get an Apple and 
> put a Windows 7 OS on it to run these? Or, would it be better to go with 
> another PC? I want to do what makes the most sense, but I do love the 
> accessibility of the Apple and if I could bring it home and do all the setup 
> myself, it'd sure be cool.
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> If I went with an Apple, would it be best to get an iMac? It seems like the 
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Re: Setting up the Mac mini

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There was an adapter for the 2008 minis that would allow you to connect a mini 
to a television, it does not work with new mac minis though, as far as I know, 
the only way to get the new minis to work properly is to connect a monitor, it 
doesn't need to be turned on, just connected.
On Jan 9, 2012, at 6:54 AM, trevor wrote:

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> I am thinking of getting a Mac mini in a couple of weeks and I read an 
> article this morning about having to fool the Mac mini in to thinking it is 
> connected to a monitor for the voice over to come on automatically. One of 
> the things was called a Sewells TVdeck pc to TV adapter which I believe are 
> from america.
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> My question is;
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> Is it still necessary to use one and if so, is there a british equivvilent 
> please.
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Re: mophie juice pack air

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In general, it doubles the iphone's battery life.
On Nov 29, 2011, at 5:44 PM, william lomas wrote:

> how long do you get out of it?
> 
> On Nov 29, 2011, at 8:32 PM, Lyn & her faithful furry friends wrote:
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>> i use one with my Iphone 4 and one for my Ipod touch and I must say it's 
>> really good.  There is a button to turn the device on and off.  When you 
>> turn it on, you'll hear the charging sound on your iphone and when you check 
>> the battery status, it'll just say that the iphone is charging.  The device 
>> comes with a mini USB cable used to charge both the Iphone and the juice 
>> pack.  You no longer need to use the Iphone cable as the juice pac cable 
>> will charge up both devices at the same time.  You can still sync your 
>> iphone using the juice pack cable as well so no worries there either.
>> 
>> Hope this answers your question.
>> 
>> Lyn, Canelle & Epi
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>> On Nov 29, 2011, at 9:04 PM, william lomas wrote:
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>>> hi has anyone used the mophie juice pack air for an iPhone 4?
>>> is it any good?
>>> how do we know how much battery is left in the case i guess it uses its own 
>>> battery then the iPhone battery itself?
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Re: iTether

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It's a shame that this app was pulled, if someone is already paying for data, 
to charge extra for tethering is ridiculous. This is one thing I don't like 
about IOS, apple has decided they don't want users to get this app anymore, so 
they pull it from the store. This is one reason why I like android, not near as 
restrictive, and you can also side load apps.
On Nov 29, 2011, at 4:47 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:

> Apple has said,  I've been able to confirm on Mac and Windows with
> iPhone app, that iTether will continue to work. This app is extremely
> useful, great, and I'm glad that I got it when it was available. AT&T
> 3G data speeds are quite fast and great.
> 
> Kevin
> 
> On 11/29/11, Bubba  wrote:
>> That would be the Apple CEO now!
>> 
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>> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 1:52 PM
>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Re: iTether
>> 
>> It's a great shame this is happening.
>> 
>> as an IT Tech, there's times I'd like to tether my iphone to the mac as a
>> quick modem where internet access isn't available, especially when getting
>> hold of drivers or emergency files, etc. I don't want to be in the position
>> of paying stupid money for a 2nd setup. especially USB internet solutions
>> where they are unreliable at best.
>> 
>> someone give me a bow and arrow and point me in the direction of the fella
>> who decided to kill this internet tethering solution. BAH HUMBUG!
>> 
>> anywho, better things to do... tra la la.
>> 
>> lew
>> 
>> Free Macs For The Blind
>> 
>> On 29 Nov 2011, at 18:45, Bubba wrote:
>> 
>>> Yep, that is what I found out as well. I also bet when the next IOS update
>>> come out it will be removed from your device as well. If not before if
>> they
>>> can possible do it. JST
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sign,
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>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 1:29 PM
>>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>>> Subject: Re: iTether
>>> 
>>> never mind. Here is  the article that explains the situation.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ack! iTether was just yanked from the App Store. Hopefully you got in
>> while
>>> the gettin' was good! http://engt.co/tlygvO
>>> On Nov 29, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>> 
 I'm considering getting it. lol! It would be cheaper then paying  for a
>> no
>>> contract wireless pay by month wireless card for my laptop lol!
 On Nov 29, 2011, at 10:22 AM, Bubba wrote:
 
> Yes, this is usually can only be done with a JB ! I will be willing to
>>> bet
> it is in the process of being pulled right now.
> 
> 
> 
> Sign,
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> 
> I think though tht it will  be rejected and puled soon according to what
>>> I
> read on the apple news blog I follow. and some people were having
>> trouble
> with it like it was saying  Please register the next time they launched
>>> the
> app.
> 
> Take care.
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> 
>> An extremely useful, very worthwhile, and fully accessible app and
>> PC/Mac companion client accessible iTether is available in app store.
>> 
>> I've been using iTether since last night, tweeted about it, and many
>> others are using it, and we are all absolutely enjoying it. Anyone who
>> has an unlimited 3G data plan will find this to be extremely useful.
>> No need to pay smartphone carrier for a tethering plan, no need to
>> jailbreak and use PDAnet, and iTether is all legal and approved via
>> Apple iTunes App Store.
>> 
>> Please have a look in app store for iTether, all the details,
>> including how to get up and running are contained within description.
>> 
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Re: mophie juice pack air

[Mike Arrigo]

I have the iphone 3 g s version, it's great, I'm sure the iphone 4 
version is awesome as well.

Original message:

hi has anyone used the mophie juice pack air for an iPhone 4?
is it any good?
how do we know how much battery is left in the case i guess it uses its 
own battery then the iPhone battery itself?



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Re: Maqc equivalent of the WIndows System Tray?

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The closest thing is the status menus, this is what shows your volume, battery, 
etc. You get to it by pressing control F8 or in voiceover, press control option 
m twice.
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> Hello, 
> Is there a Mac OS 10.7 facility similar to the Windows System Tray? On 
> Windows you can move applications to the System Tray (aka Notification Area). 
> If such a facility were available on Mac OS it would mean that the selected 
> applications would not appear if you cycle round your windows using 
> Command+Tab. Instead you would have to access that application from somewhere 
> else like the dock. 
> 
> A good use of this would be to put growl in the Mac System Tray so that growl 
> does not appear when you command+Tab around your windows. It would also be 
> useful to hide WQuickeys in this way. 
> Is there such a facility? 
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Re: new mac store requirements

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Certainly developers can choose not to sell their apps through the app store, 
although some developers feel this is similar to committing business suicide, 
they think that the app store is the primary place where users go for apps, and 
that they will not look else where, whether this is true or not is a different 
story, after all, all mac apps were sold this way before the app store. I guess 
some developers feel they are stuck between a rock and a hard place.
On Nov 19, 2011, at 5:46 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:

> I'm a little confused.
> Did apple ever state that apps *must* be sold through the appstore?
> Did apple say that apps you purchased were going to be disabled if you didn't 
> purchase them again from the app store?
> I think folks are getting all worked up over nothing.
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Re: navigon Europe 2.

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This is the app I use the most on the iphone, actually my favorite navigation 
app out of all of them is google navigation on android, it's very easy to get a 
list of directions and read the distance to the next turn, I have yet to find 
an app on the iphone that works this well but motionx comes close.
On Nov 18, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Bryan Jones wrote:

> I agree Mike, MotionX is the one I usually turn to for long distance travel. 
> Unfortunately for folks outside of the US, I think the app is US only. For 
> anybody interested in trying MotionX Drive, it comes with a 30 day free voice 
> guidance trial and they currently have a year of voice guidance on sale for 
> US $9.99.
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>> not provide spoken walking directions, because the app itself is very 
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Re: navigon Europe 2.

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The newest version of tomtom seems to work fine, I have the maps downloaded for 
Navigon, having problems activating some controls though, using ios 5 on an 
iphone 3gs, I will see if I can get a root created if I can somehow get around 
this issue.
On Nov 18, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

> Anyone tried Tomtom?
> On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:47, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> 
>> My favorite GPS app on the iphone is motionx gps drive, with the exception 
>> of some unlabeled buttons, it's very useable. It's a shame Garmin's app does 
>> not provide spoken walking directions, because the app itself is very 
>> accessible.
>> Original message:
>>> I tried the update for a couple of hours yesterday and had the same 
>>> problems here with the Navigon North America version. My negative findings 
>>> mirror those of DOnal and Anne. There are several critical elements in the 
>>> UI that VO is denied access to, the whole system became very sluggish  at 
>>> times repeatedly becoming non-responsive with an "in progress" message, and 
>>> getting out of navigation mode is messy.
>> 
>>> On the positive side, the new method of selecting individual states and 
>>> provinces is accessible and it seems they've simplified the UI to eliminate 
>>> some of the confusing steps previously required to get to certain bits of 
>>> information.
>> 
>>> I haven't been a heavy Navigon User for several months, so this update 
>>> doesn't effect me much but knowing that the app is very popular with the VI 
>>> VO community, I can imagine Navigon will be hearing from many of us.
>> 
>>> -Bryan
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>>> On Nov 18, 2011, at 4:45 AM, Anne Robertson wrote
>>>> Some people seem to like the new Navigon, but I find it to be a complete 
>>>> disaster! I can get it to start navigation, but stopping navigation is 
>>>> almost impossible for a VO user. Also, it crashes when trying to do 
>>>> anything after starting navigation.
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Re: navigon Europe 2.

[Mike Arrigo]

My favorite GPS app on the iphone is motionx gps drive, with the 
exception of some unlabeled buttons, it's very useable. It's a shame 
Garmin's app does not provide spoken walking directions, because the 
app itself is very accessible.

Original message:
I tried the update for a couple of hours yesterday and had the same 
problems here with the Navigon North America version. My negative 
findings mirror those of DOnal and Anne. There are several critical 
elements in the UI that VO is denied access to, the whole system became 
very sluggish  at times repeatedly becoming non-responsive with an "in 
progress" message, and getting out of navigation mode is messy.


On the positive side, the new method of selecting individual states and 
provinces is accessible and it seems they've simplified the UI to 
eliminate some of the confusing steps previously required to get to 
certain bits of information.


I haven't been a heavy Navigon User for several months, so this update 
doesn't effect me much but knowing that the app is very popular with 
the VI VO community, I can imagine Navigon will be hearing from many of us.



-Bryan



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Some people seem to like the new Navigon, but I find it to be a 
complete disaster! I can get it to start navigation, but stopping 
navigation is almost impossible for a VO user. Also, it crashes when 
trying to do anything after starting navigation.



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Re: navigon Europe 2.

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Haven't tried version 2 of the United States version yet, but I have 
heard from several people that, voice over does not see the control to 
stop navigation. Sounds like this app has taken some steps backward 
with regard to accessibility.

Original message:

Hello Dónal,


Some people seem to like the new Navigon, but I find it to be a 
complete disaster! I can get it to start navigation, but stopping 
navigation is almost impossible for a VO user. Also, it crashes when 
trying to do anything after starting navigation.


I'm glad to say I saved the previous version just in case something 
like this should happen.



Cheers,



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Hi,


If what I'm reading is true, updating to version 2 should be avoided.  
Apparently voiceover accessibility has gone backwards.  Can anyone confirm?



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Re: new mac store requirements

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The only app I have purchased was the lion upgrade, I've gotten the other apps 
from the companies directly, even now, there are requirements that would 
prevent many apps from getting approved such as backup programs. With the sand 
box requirements, the next step could be that apple decides to only allow the 
installation of apps from their app store. Hopefully they will never do that, 
if they do, as much as I hate to do it, I will probably go back to windows. If 
I purchase a computer, it should be my decision what I install on it.
On Nov 16, 2011, at 7:21 PM, Orin wrote:

> Audio Hijack Pro was never in the app store anyway. Won't have to worry about 
> that as well as any of the audio apps.
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>> Hi,
>> This is terrible, I wonder what this will mean for apps like Airfoil,
>> Amadeus Pro, Audiobook builder, or most importantly, Audiohijack pro?
>> I'm quite worried about this sandboxing issue. Any  input and
>> oppinions on what might happen  with these apps especially are
>> appreciated.
>> Thanks,
>> Courtney
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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>> On 16 Nov 2011, at 01:57 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
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>>> Hey everyone, apple will soon be requiring applications to comply with very 
>>> strict guide lines in order to be in teh app store, personally, I think 
>>> this is being too restrictive, here are links to 2 different articles 
>>> describing the changes. I think this will end up hurting apple in the end.
>>> http://lacquer.fi/pauli/blog/2011/11/why-the-mac-app-sandbox-makes-me-sad/
>>> http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/11/apple-pushes-back-sandboxing-deadline-as-devs-struggle-with-tradeoffs.ars
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Re: Keystroke question

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Try something like control option command home, that moves you to the 
top most item in a window, alternatively, if your goal is to close the 
window, command w will do the trick.

Original message:
When in Finder, I find myself often on an item way to the right with 
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me right over to the close button?



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Re: Differences Between Default VO and Compact

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The default voice is higher quality, if that voice works for you, 
there's little reason to use the compact voice.

Original message:

Hi, Folks!  On the iPhone 4, what's the difference between the
default voice for VoiceOver and the Compact voice?  Which is better
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Re: Some concerns about Adium

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there are a few ways to do this, in the adium preferences, if you go to the 
events tab, you can set each event to speak, including new messages. If you're 
using lion, make sure you are using Alex as your voice though or this will not 
work correctly. I think you can also use growl for this but I haven't tried it.
On Nov 6, 2011, at 5:20 PM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote:

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> with VO messenger client.  Well guys, I guess I'm not using it right
> and I really need some help.
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> Once I've seen a friend of mine is online and have pressed Enter on
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> replied and how do I read there message?
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Re: os 5 question.

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The 3gs will be a bit slow with IOS5 but it should not be that extreme. For the 
battery issue, apple is aware of this and it should be fixed in 5.01, but you 
can do a few things in the mean time. If you have your phone set to sync with 
icloud, turn this off, also in location services, go down to system services 
and open that, turn off the automatic time zone option.
On Nov 5, 2011, at 4:06 AM, michael wrote:

>Hi guys I run a iphone 3gs and since installing the os 5 i have found it 
> slugish and seams to drain the battery quicker.
> Plus it happens a bit wen I am in the middle of typing a text message voice 
> over  gets very slow and slugish then it stops talking for a few  seconds 
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> Please any idea's to help please guys.
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Re: Anyone got an opinion on compact voice and performance?

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I'm using the better quality voice on my iphone 3gs, works fine, so that's what 
I will stick with. Both voices do get a bit choppy at times, but it's nothing I 
can't deal with.
On Oct 17, 2011, at 9:13 AM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote:

> It feels like the compact voice responds quicker on my iPhone 4 and
> that when I switch to the big voice, it becomes more sluggish - kinda
> obvious.  I'm not sure if I'm just imagining it and using it as an
> excuse to upgrade to a 4S though.
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> I'm using the big voice on my iPad 2 and it's fine, which you'd expect
> as it's rocking the A5 chip.  But again is this just me hearing what I
> want to hear?
> 
> Anyway, I'd be interested to hear what anyone else thinks?
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> I'm going to reserve a 4S tonight anyway, so I've no need to worry
> really, I'm using the voice assistant as the only excuse I need!
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Re: Siri crashed.

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Yes, siri, and in fact any dictation speech recognition on the iphone 4s is 
server based, if there is a problem with the network connection or apple's 
servers, it will not work. How do you enable or disable siri, I'm assuming you 
can do this in settings?
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> My guess is that there was a server crash because two other friends located 
> on the US East coast are confirming my symptom.  Basically, all commands to 
> Siri appear to time out.  Siri issues a message indicating that it's having 
> trouble accessing the network and prompts for another command which it deals 
> with in similar fashion.
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> I suspect the system is over loaded by millions who are playing with their 
> new toys by asking the calorie count of a bagel, but it got me to thinking 
> that the 3GS was better since it could call contacts tell the time or play 
> music without benefit of an internet connection.  Since IOS runs on the 3GS I 
> decided to try disabling Siri to verify that I could restore the old 
> functionality in the event of a Siri server crash, and indeed it worked.
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> impression for some.
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Re: MobileGeo replacement?

[Mike Arrigo]

I assume you're staying with Sprint, in that case, you should be able 
to keep your number, even if you switched carriers, the number could 
probably be ported. There are some nice apps for gps, a 32 GB phone is 
plenty, the entire United States takes about 1 GB with the iphone GPS 
apps. The map engine Sendero uses for mobile geo is several years 
behind the times. For navigation, check out navigon, TomTom, or motionx 
GPS, that one is my favorite. To tell where you are, you may want to 
get the sendero look around app. I use GPS on iphone and android and I 
do not miss mobile geo at all, the main stream apps do what I need.

Original message:
Well, for the past 4 years, I have been using my Windows 6.5 
phone since I refused to leave Sprint as a carrier.  NOw, I can finally 
get a modern phone to use in the iPhone that will be accessabile.  My 
main concern, is with losing MobileGeo just as I am about to start a 
new job in a new location.


Now I expect with the builtin compass I should be beter off knowing if 
I am walking in the right direction from the start, but will I need a 
32GB phone to store a GPS app on it or am I fairly safe with a smaller 
phone.  Also, should I initially get a new phone number, so I can keep 
my codefactory license live until I learn the iPhone?


I have been using Macintoshes since '88 and I am excited that now I 
will have a chance to use an iPhone.



Thanks,



Jonathan



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Re: is the iPhone 4s worth it?

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The real issue with OCR is the restrictions Apple has placed on what developers 
can do, I've heard that prismo works pretty well, but there are several things 
developers cannot do with regard to camera focus that can be done with android 
and Symbian. Hopefully apple will open the camera interface a bit more to 
developers, but who knows if that will happen.
On Oct 8, 2011, at 11:18 AM, william lomas wrote:

> hope we do in general get a good OCR program though otherwise how can a 
> camera ne worth it for blind users?
> 
> On Oct 8, 2011, at 5:13 PM, John Panarese wrote:
> 
>>  Absolutely, Jeff.  This is exactly why we are getting the negativity.  This 
>> is what happens when rumors run amuck and people buy into them.  I ordered 
>> my 4S without reservations or any apprehensions.  The camera, Siri and the 
>> better processor are simply worth the money to me.
>> 
>> Take Care
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>> 
>> On Oct 8, 2011, at 10:32 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote:
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>>> I'm very puzzled by a lot of the negative reaction to the 4S and suspect 
>>> that many who are now mashing their teeth would have been singing Apple's 
>>> praises had they announced an identical device, but instead named it the 
>>> iPhone 5?!?!  Frankly the specs mostly conform to the iPhone 5 roomers when 
>>> these very people were counting down the days to Apple's iPhone 5 
>>> unveiling, and couldn't wait to get their hands on one.  It wasn't 
>>> anticipated that this model would add LTE support, and it didn't.  Perhaps 
>>> my perspective is different since I have a 3GS and am upgrade eligible, but 
>>> I preordered my 64 GB 4S as soon as it was possible at ohh Dark hundred 
>>> Friday morning and am anxiously awaiting its arrival!!  If I already had a 
>>> 4 and was not yet eligible for a carrier subsidized upgrade, I suspect I 
>>> would have still been tempted by the 4S improvements, but probably would 
>>> not have taken the leap.
>>> 
>>> The following article entitled "why the iPhone 4S critics are wrong, wrong, 
>>> wrong" presents an interesting counter argument to the source sited below:
>>> 
>>> http://blogs.computerworld.com/19049/why_the_iphone_4s_critics_are_wrong_wrong_wrong
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> Geoff
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: william lomas 
>>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility 
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 8:39 AM
>>> Subject: is the iPhone 4s worth it?
>>> 
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Re: iPhone 4S cases.

[Mike Arrigo]

I have heard that the cases are compatible, the thing is, the verizon version 
was a bit different I think, so I wonder which cases you would need to get
On Oct 7, 2011, at 10:56 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote:

> Greetings all,
> 
> I read that all iPhone4 accessories are applicable for the 4S, however  that 
> seems inconsistent with information in the announcement regarding the 4s's 
> larger camera aperture.
> 
> Since my Otterbox defender has paid for itself several times over in terms of 
> preventing damage to my 3GS, I want to order a case before my 4S arrives 
> hopefully on the 14th.  I heard and read in some reviews that the Otterbox 
> case for the iPhone4 is not as protective as their 3GS version.  So I'm left 
> with two questions.
> 
> 1. would a case built for the 4 be likely to cover part of the camera lens?  
> If not, can anyone recommend a case that is protective and would not need to 
> be removed in order to use the phone?
> 
> TIA for any/all suggestions.
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Re: iphone 4s

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Android may not have every single accessibility feature the iphone does, but I 
can easily complete the same task on both platforms, and sometimes android is 
faster, have you actually tried android or are you saying this from what you 
have heard?
On Oct 5, 2011, at 6:01 AM, Marcy Weinberg wrote:

> But the iPhone still has something well over the android, that being 
> accessibility.
> 
> On Oct 4, 2011, at 10:45 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
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> The big area where apple is playing catch up is by using the cloud. The 
> ability to sync between devices, and not having to use itunes nearly as much. 
> Also, speech recognition and the ability to dictate text, android has had 
> this for quite some time. Android still provides free turn by turn 
> directions, but this must be purchased for the iphone. The iphone is also 
> more expensive, don't get me wrong, the iphone is a good product, but many of 
> the things apple is introducing are already on android. One thing that is 
> important for me is the ability to connect an android phone to a computer, 
> and it will show up as a drive, I can simply copy and delete files. Compared 
> to android, the iphone is a bit restrictive.
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>> Maybe somebody can explain to me how ios5 is playing catch up with Android 
>> for blind users. Other perspectives aren't especially important for us as 
>> blind users, right? So on the Android phones, I must have a physical 
>> navigation method. No touch screen only devices. Which duel core Android 
>> phones with 8mp cameras and  a gb of ram plus voice assistant will be 
>> available to me? Are they  gsm capable as well as cdma? What will they cost? 
>> In other words, let us please compare apples and apples here, no pun in 
>> tended. I don't care if an all touch screen phone has a  bigger screen, 
>> slightly faster processor and lets me use external bluetooth devices. If I 
>> can't navigate and use the phone to its full potential, why on earth would I 
>> want it? 
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Re: iphone 4s

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The big area where apple is playing catch up is by using the cloud. The ability 
to sync between devices, and not having to use itunes nearly as much. Also, 
speech recognition and the ability to dictate text, android has had this for 
quite some time. Android still provides free turn by turn directions, but this 
must be purchased for the iphone. The iphone is also more expensive, don't get 
me wrong, the iphone is a good product, but many of the things apple is 
introducing are already on android. One thing that is important for me is the 
ability to connect an android phone to a computer, and it will show up as a 
drive, I can simply copy and delete files. Compared to android, the iphone is a 
bit restrictive.
On Oct 4, 2011, at 7:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

> Maybe somebody can explain to me how ios5 is playing catch up with Android 
> for blind users. Other perspectives aren't especially important for us as 
> blind users, right? So on the Android phones, I must have a physical 
> navigation method. No touch screen only devices. Which duel core Android 
> phones with 8mp cameras and  a gb of ram plus voice assistant will be 
> available to me? Are they  gsm capable as well as cdma? What will they cost? 
> In other words, let us please compare apples and apples here, no pun in 
> tended. I don't care if an all touch screen phone has a  bigger screen, 
> slightly faster processor and lets me use external bluetooth devices. If I 
> can't navigate and use the phone to its full potential, why on earth would I 
> want it? 
> 
> Mary
> 
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