Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones found in the i phone. I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have now works fine. UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash content so no point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, require flash navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated into the safari or other web browsers On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful news. A little bummed I don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of the iPhone demos and gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll just put up with old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the future and will be happy to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my getting a new macbook happens first. But as this one is still fairly newish I'll wait. Who know by the time it comes time for me to get a new macbook they'll of come up with many more new and cool things. : smiley : Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too far off but. It sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new voices. Have always liked the UK voices. The best thing would be a UK version of Alex, with the breths and all. I still think that's uber cool how Alex voice does that. Jenny On 7/6/09, Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net wrote: Jenny, first only the Aluminum MacBooks contain the multi-touch trackpad unless Apple upgrades the MacBook line-Remember the aluminum models are now referred to as the MacBook Pro line. Yes SL will work fine on your model. The most significant requirement is it must be an Intel processor since the Power PC chips, such as found in the G4/G5 machines will not be supported by SL. I'd recommend you have at least 2Gb ram, but 1Gb will get the job done. The commands, which are issued from the trackpad are the same commands you can issue currently with VO. It is another means to interact with the os using VO and it is hard to say what the future holds for such a trackpad and VO. The point is that if you have heard the iPhone demos, you can get an idea of how the trackpad could behave and a little imagination might lead you to speculate what Apple could possibly do in the future. So, have no fear and prepare to upgrade, it will be well worth it. On Jul 6, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Okay. So am I to understand that the macbook pro line is the only line that has this fancy mousepad thing? I got my macbook in April of 08 and it is the little white one. I adore it and have been waiting for SL to come out. Will SL even work at all on this sort of macbook? Oh I'm sure the os will work but will VO function if I don't have that fancy mousepad thing? Are there keyboard shortcuts to do whatever is doable with the mousepad? Sorry to be so abrupt gotta run. thanks for any answers best wishes Jenny On 7/6/09, Claude Renaud cldren...@gmail.com wrote: Hello James, Sunday, July 5, 2009, 12:31:19 PM, you wrote: JN Hi everyone, JN I've been reading the new VO features in Snow Leopard. Where di you read this please ? Regards, -- Claude Renaud --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Adium annoyances.
Hi. Have you said your voiceover to group mode or dom mode? You can't read all the messages if you have set it to group mode. Best regards Søren Jensen Mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ On 07/07/2009, at 06.13, Kevin Reeves wrote: Hey folks. Not sure what the deal is here, but I am having problems reading messages in Adium. I have been toggling the message window type from Gone Dark to Minimal mod and sometimes I can see all the messages in a conversation, but sometimes I can't. It's real hit or miss. It's as if the window isn't scrolling down or moving to accommodate the newly populating messages at the bottom of the window. If anyone can help me with any settings that I'm missing, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks so much. Reeves --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: skype : adding new contacts
Hi. Bring up the window chooser by pressing VO f2 twice and you'll find the request window there. Best regards Søren Jensen Mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ On 06/07/2009, at 23.44, william windels wrote: hi all, how can I see and accept or reject new people that adds me to their contactlist? I see no popups or something like this thanx alot, best regards, William Windels --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Selecting multiples with VO
You are right about taht. I remember that happening. Have you contacted Apple Accessibility? They have always been very good at acknowledging and addressing in time if not all issues that are raised. Take care James - Original Message - From: Kevin Reeves To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:53 AM Subject: Re: Selecting multiples with VO The annoying thing about selecting multiple items in Leopard currently is that when you shift up and down arrow, it says, 2 rows selected, 3 rows selected, etc. It's really annoying as it doesn't read what you are selecting, even when you've interacted with the table. If anyone knows of another way to accomplish this, I'd love to know, as I have found this to be quite annoying n both tiger and leopard. On Jul 5, 2009, at 5:31 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi everyone, When I was last using VO with Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, it seemed that VO did not select multiple items such as E Mails when using shift up and down arrow. It was quite difficult therefore to know what was selected and so I endedup deleting mail by mail. Has this changed or will this change under Snow Leopard. Thank you Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Firefox and Flash
Hi Will, Once Fire Fox becomes accessible with VO you'll find that there is a plugin which helps blind users cope with the increasing prevelance of Flash on the web. Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Firefox and Flash
where can I readup on this? On 7 Jul 2009, at 09:35, James Nash wrote: Hi Will, Once Fire Fox becomes accessible with VO you'll find that there is a plugin which helps blind users cope with the increasing prevelance of Flash on the web. Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Do the new MacBooks and MacBook Pros get hot?
Hi folks, My old white MacBook which I bought back in 2006 used to get incredibly hot. So hot in fact that it was very uncomfortable to see with it if it wasn't on a desk. Has this been addressed in the new MBs and MBP? Thanks James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Selecting multiples with VO
You can always check exactly wwhat's selected by pressing VO-F6. Cheers, Anne On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:31 AM, James Nash wrote: You are right about taht. I remember that happening. Have you contacted Apple Accessibility? They have always been very good at acknowledging and addressing in time if not all issues that are raised. Take care James - Original Message - From: Kevin Reeves To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:53 AM Subject: Re: Selecting multiples with VO The annoying thing about selecting multiple items in Leopard currently is that when you shift up and down arrow, it says, 2 rows selected, 3 rows selected, etc. It's really annoying as it doesn't read what you are selecting, even when you've interacted with the table. If anyone knows of another way to accomplish this, I'd love to know, as I have found this to be quite annoying n both tiger and leopard. On Jul 5, 2009, at 5:31 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi everyone, When I was last using VO with Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, it seemed that VO did not select multiple items such as E Mails when using shift up and down arrow. It was quite difficult therefore to know what was selected and so I endedup deleting mail by mail. Has this changed or will this change under Snow Leopard. Thank you Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Do the new MacBooks and MacBook Pros get hot?
Hello James, It was only the first MacBooks that had the problem of getting really hot. My 2007 white MacBook gets warm but not really hot and I use it on my lap all the time. Cheers, Anne On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:36 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi folks, My old white MacBook which I bought back in 2006 used to get incredibly hot. So hot in fact that it was very uncomfortable to see with it if it wasn't on a desk. Has this been addressed in the new MBs and MBP? Thanks James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Do the new MacBooks and MacBook Pros get hot?
Hi James, I just purchased a new MB Pro. It generally does run quite cool, but certain tasks will get it to heat up a bit, but I've not noticed it heating to the point of being uncomfortable to hold or rest on your knees etc. I am sure there are tasks that will really get the processor to blow a sweat, but that is to be expected. However, yes, all this to say that it seems to run cooler. My employer gave me one of the prior generation MBs and it does tend to get warmer than my MB Pro. On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:36 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi folks, My old white MacBook which I bought back in 2006 used to get incredibly hot. So hot in fact that it was very uncomfortable to see with it if it wasn't on a desk. Has this been addressed in the new MBs and MBP? Thanks James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the cost is so unreal, it doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There are other reasons beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you that $30 is a very small price to pay for the improvements and many of which you may not have considered or realized. On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones found in the i phone. I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have now works fine. UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash content so no point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, require flash navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated into the safari or other web browsers On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful news. A little bummed I don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of the iPhone demos and gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll just put up with old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the future and will be happy to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my getting a new macbook happens first. But as this one is still fairly newish I'll wait. Who know by the time it comes time for me to get a new macbook they'll of come up with many more new and cool things. : smiley : Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too far off but. It sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new voices. Have always liked the UK voices. The best thing would be a UK version of Alex, with the breths and all. I still think that's uber cool how Alex voice does that. Jenny On 7/6/09, Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net wrote: Jenny, first only the Aluminum MacBooks contain the multi-touch trackpad unless Apple upgrades the MacBook line-Remember the aluminum models are now referred to as the MacBook Pro line. Yes SL will work fine on your model. The most significant requirement is it must be an Intel processor since the Power PC chips, such as found in the G4/G5 machines will not be supported by SL. I'd recommend you have at least 2Gb ram, but 1Gb will get the job done. The commands, which are issued from the trackpad are the same commands you can issue currently with VO. It is another means to interact with the os using VO and it is hard to say what the future holds for such a trackpad and VO. The point is that if you have heard the iPhone demos, you can get an idea of how the trackpad could behave and a little imagination might lead you to speculate what Apple could possibly do in the future. So, have no fear and prepare to upgrade, it will be well worth it. On Jul 6, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Okay. So am I to understand that the macbook pro line is the only line that has this fancy mousepad thing? I got my macbook in April of 08 and it is the little white one. I adore it and have been waiting for SL to come out. Will SL even work at all on this sort of macbook? Oh I'm sure the os will work but will VO function if I don't have that fancy mousepad thing? Are there keyboard shortcuts to do whatever is doable with the mousepad? Sorry to be so abrupt gotta run. thanks for any answers best wishes Jenny On 7/6/09, Claude Renaud cldren...@gmail.com wrote: Hello James, Sunday, July 5, 2009, 12:31:19 PM, you wrote: JN Hi everyone, JN I've been reading the new VO features in Snow Leopard. Where di you read this please ? Regards, -- Claude Renaud --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Hi, It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? Fortunately, I have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then there shouldn't be any problem. Take care James - Original Message - From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the cost is so unreal, it doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There are other reasons beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you that $30 is a very small price to pay for the improvements and many of which you may not have considered or realized. On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones found in the i phone. I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have now works fine. UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash content so no point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, require flash navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated into the safari or other web browsers On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful news. A little bummed I don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of the iPhone demos and gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll just put up with old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the future and will be happy to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my getting a new macbook happens first. But as this one is still fairly newish I'll wait. Who know by the time it comes time for me to get a new macbook they'll of come up with many more new and cool things. : smiley : Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too far off but. It sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new voices. Have always liked the UK voices. The best thing would be a UK version of Alex, with the breths and all. I still think that's uber cool how Alex voice does that. Jenny On 7/6/09, Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net wrote: Jenny, first only the Aluminum MacBooks contain the multi-touch trackpad unless Apple upgrades the MacBook line-Remember the aluminum models are now referred to as the MacBook Pro line. Yes SL will work fine on your model. The most significant requirement is it must be an Intel processor since the Power PC chips, such as found in the G4/G5 machines will not be supported by SL. I'd recommend you have at least 2Gb ram, but 1Gb will get the job done. The commands, which are issued from the trackpad are the same commands you can issue currently with VO. It is another means to interact with the os using VO and it is hard to say what the future holds for such a trackpad and VO. The point is that if you have heard the iPhone demos, you can get an idea of how the trackpad could behave and a little imagination might lead you to speculate what Apple could possibly do in the future. So, have no fear and prepare to upgrade, it will be well worth it. On Jul 6, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Okay. So am I to understand that the macbook pro line is the only line that has this fancy mousepad thing? I got my macbook in April of 08 and it is the little white one. I adore it and have been waiting for SL to come out. Will SL even work at all on this sort of macbook? Oh I'm sure the os will work but will VO function if I don't have that fancy mousepad thing? Are there keyboard shortcuts to do whatever is doable with the mousepad? Sorry to be so abrupt gotta run. thanks for any answers best wishes Jenny On 7/6/09, Claude Renaud cldren...@gmail.com wrote: Hello James, Sunday, July 5, 2009, 12:31:19 PM, you wrote: JN Hi everyone, JN I've been reading the new VO features in Snow Leopard. Where di you read this please ? Regards, -- Claude Renaud --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Do the new MacBooks and MacBook Pros get hot?
Thanks for the confirmation Scott Take care With warmest wishes James - Original Message - From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:21 AM Subject: Re: Do the new MacBooks and MacBook Pros get hot? Hi James, I just purchased a new MB Pro. It generally does run quite cool, but certain tasks will get it to heat up a bit, but I've not noticed it heating to the point of being uncomfortable to hold or rest on your knees etc. I am sure there are tasks that will really get the processor to blow a sweat, but that is to be expected. However, yes, all this to say that it seems to run cooler. My employer gave me one of the prior generation MBs and it does tend to get warmer than my MB Pro. On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:36 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi folks, My old white MacBook which I bought back in 2006 used to get incredibly hot. So hot in fact that it was very uncomfortable to see with it if it wasn't on a desk. Has this been addressed in the new MBs and MBP? Thanks James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
is there a complete list of new features? i.e. •do we get new language voices i wonder • new braille support in other alnguages? etc i guess we will not know these details really until the product is out On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James Nash wrote: Hi, It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? Fortunately, I have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then there shouldn't be any problem. Take care James - Original Message - From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the cost is so unreal, it doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There are other reasons beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you that $30 is a very small price to pay for the improvements and many of which you may not have considered or realized. On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones found in the i phone. I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have now works fine. UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash content so no point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, require flash navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated into the safari or other web browsers On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful news. A little bummed I don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of the iPhone demos and gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll just put up with old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the future and will be happy to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my getting a new macbook happens first. But as this one is still fairly newish I'll wait. Who know by the time it comes time for me to get a new macbook they'll of come up with many more new and cool things. : smiley : Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too far off but. It sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new voices. Have always liked the UK voices. The best thing would be a UK version of Alex, with the breths and all. I still think that's uber cool how Alex voice does that. Jenny On 7/6/09, Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net wrote: Jenny, first only the Aluminum MacBooks contain the multi-touch trackpad unless Apple upgrades the MacBook line-Remember the aluminum models are now referred to as the MacBook Pro line. Yes SL will work fine on your model. The most significant requirement is it must be an Intel processor since the Power PC chips, such as found in the G4/G5 machines will not be supported by SL. I'd recommend you have at least 2Gb ram, but 1Gb will get the job done. The commands, which are issued from the trackpad are the same commands you can issue currently with VO. It is another means to interact with the os using VO and it is hard to say what the future holds for such a trackpad and VO. The point is that if you have heard the iPhone demos, you can get an idea of how the trackpad could behave and a little imagination might lead you to speculate what Apple could possibly do in the future. So, have no fear and prepare to upgrade, it will be well worth it. On Jul 6, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Okay. So am I to understand that the macbook pro line is the only line that has this fancy mousepad thing? I got my macbook in April of 08 and it is the little white one. I adore it and have been waiting for SL to come out. Will SL even work at all on this sort of macbook? Oh I'm sure the os will work but will VO function if I don't have that fancy mousepad thing? Are there keyboard shortcuts to do whatever is doable with the mousepad? Sorry to be so abrupt gotta run. thanks for any answers best wishes Jenny On 7/6/09, Claude Renaud cldren...@gmail.com wrote: Hello James, Sunday, July 5, 2009, 12:31:19 PM, you wrote: JN Hi everyone, JN I've been reading the new VO features in Snow Leopard. Where di you read this please ? Regards, -- Claude Renaud --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different features. Yes, I think I remember reading that something - it may have been Voice Over - was localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not sure about Braille support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY or ask Apple to do so we may get native foreign language Braille support. I think Apple is Linux based, so this should not be too difficult. Take care James - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard is there a complete list of new features? i.e. .do we get new language voices i wonder . new braille support in other alnguages? etc i guess we will not know these details really until the product is out On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James Nash wrote: Hi, It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? Fortunately, I have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then there shouldn't be any problem. Take care James - Original Message - From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the cost is so unreal, it doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There are other reasons beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you that $30 is a very small price to pay for the improvements and many of which you may not have considered or realized. On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones found in the i phone. I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have now works fine. UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash content so no point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, require flash navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated into the safari or other web browsers On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful news. A little bummed I don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of the iPhone demos and gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll just put up with old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the future and will be happy to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my getting a new macbook happens first. But as this one is still fairly newish I'll wait. Who know by the time it comes time for me to get a new macbook they'll of come up with many more new and cool things. : smiley : Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too far off but. It sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new voices. Have always liked the UK voices. The best thing would be a UK version of Alex, with the breths and all. I still think that's uber cool how Alex voice does that. Jenny On 7/6/09, Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net wrote: Jenny, first only the Aluminum MacBooks contain the multi-touch trackpad unless Apple upgrades the MacBook line-Remember the aluminum models are now referred to as the MacBook Pro line. Yes SL will work fine on your model. The most significant requirement is it must be an Intel processor since the Power PC chips, such as found in the G4/G5 machines will not be supported by SL. I'd recommend you have at least 2Gb ram, but 1Gb will get the job done. The commands, which are issued from the trackpad are the same commands you can issue currently with VO. It is another means to interact with the os using VO and it is hard to say what the future holds for such a trackpad and VO. The point is that if you have heard the iPhone demos, you can get an idea of how the trackpad could behave and a little imagination might lead you to speculate what Apple could possibly do in the future. So, have no fear and prepare to upgrade, it will be well worth it. On Jul 6, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Okay. So am I to understand that the macbook pro line is the only line that has this fancy mousepad thing? I got my macbook in April of 08 and it is the little white one. I adore it and have been waiting for SL to come out. Will SL even work at all on this sort of macbook? Oh I'm sure the os will work but will VO function if I don't have that fancy mousepad thing? Are there keyboard shortcuts to do whatever is doable with the mousepad? Sorry to be so abrupt gotta run. thanks for any answers best wishes Jenny On 7/6/09, Claude Renaud cldren...@gmail.com wrote: Hello James, Sunday, July 5, 2009, 12:31:19 PM, you wrote: JN Hi everyone, JN I've been reading the new VO features in Snow Leopard. Where di you read this please ? Regards, -- Claude Renaud --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
voiceover for the i pods and i phones are in other languages but didn't read it in snowleopard On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:50, James Nash wrote: Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different features. Yes, I think I remember reading that something - it may have been Voice Over - was localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not sure about Braille support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY or ask Apple to do so we may get native foreign language Braille support. I think Apple is Linux based, so this should not be too difficult. Take care James - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard is there a complete list of new features? i.e. .do we get new language voices i wonder . new braille support in other alnguages? etc i guess we will not know these details really until the product is out On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James Nash wrote: Hi, It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? Fortunately, I have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then there shouldn't be any problem. Take care James - Original Message - From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the cost is so unreal, it doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There are other reasons beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you that $30 is a very small price to pay for the improvements and many of which you may not have considered or realized. On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones found in the i phone. I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have now works fine. UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash content so no point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, require flash navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated into the safari or other web browsers On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful news. A little bummed I don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of the iPhone demos and gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll just put up with old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the future and will be happy to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my getting a new macbook happens first. But as this one is still fairly newish I'll wait. Who know by the time it comes time for me to get a new macbook they'll of come up with many more new and cool things. : smiley : Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too far off but. It sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new voices. Have always liked the UK voices. The best thing would be a UK version of Alex, with the breths and all. I still think that's uber cool how Alex voice does that. Jenny On 7/6/09, Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net wrote: Jenny, first only the Aluminum MacBooks contain the multi-touch trackpad unless Apple upgrades the MacBook line-Remember the aluminum models are now referred to as the MacBook Pro line. Yes SL will work fine on your model. The most significant requirement is it must be an Intel processor since the Power PC chips, such as found in the G4/G5 machines will not be supported by SL. I'd recommend you have at least 2Gb ram, but 1Gb will get the job done. The commands, which are issued from the trackpad are the same commands you can issue currently with VO. It is another means to interact with the os using VO and it is hard to say what the future holds for such a trackpad and VO. The point is that if you have heard the iPhone demos, you can get an idea of how the trackpad could behave and a little imagination might lead you to speculate what Apple could possibly do in the future. So, have no fear and prepare to upgrade, it will be well worth it. On Jul 6, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Okay. So am I to understand that the macbook pro line is the only line that has this fancy mousepad thing? I got my macbook in April of 08 and it is the little white one. I adore it and have been waiting for SL to come out. Will SL even work at all on this sort of macbook? Oh I'm sure the os will work but will VO function if I don't have that fancy mousepad thing? Are there keyboard shortcuts to do whatever is doable with the mousepad? Sorry to be so abrupt gotta run. thanks for any answers best wishes Jenny On 7/6/09, Claude Renaud cldren...@gmail.com wrote: Hello James, Sunday, July 5, 2009, 12:31:19 PM, you wrote: JN Hi everyone, JN I've been reading the new VO features in Snow Leopard. Where di you read this please ? Regards, -- Claude Renaud
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
I wouldn't be surprised if VO was in other languages for Snow Leopard though. It might be a good idea to E Mail Apple Accessibility. - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard voiceover for the i pods and i phones are in other languages but didn't read it in snowleopard On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:50, James Nash wrote: Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different features. Yes, I think I remember reading that something - it may have been Voice Over - was localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not sure about Braille support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY or ask Apple to do so we may get native foreign language Braille support. I think Apple is Linux based, so this should not be too difficult. Take care James - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard is there a complete list of new features? i.e. .do we get new language voices i wonder . new braille support in other alnguages? etc i guess we will not know these details really until the product is out On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James Nash wrote: Hi, It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? Fortunately, I have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then there shouldn't be any problem. Take care James - Original Message - From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the cost is so unreal, it doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There are other reasons beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you that $30 is a very small price to pay for the improvements and many of which you may not have considered or realized. On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones found in the i phone. I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have now works fine. UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash content so no point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, require flash navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated into the safari or other web browsers On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful news. A little bummed I don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of the iPhone demos and gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll just put up with old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the future and will be happy to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my getting a new macbook happens first. But as this one is still fairly newish I'll wait. Who know by the time it comes time for me to get a new macbook they'll of come up with many more new and cool things. : smiley : Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too far off but. It sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new voices. Have always liked the UK voices. The best thing would be a UK version of Alex, with the breths and all. I still think that's uber cool how Alex voice does that. Jenny On 7/6/09, Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net wrote: Jenny, first only the Aluminum MacBooks contain the multi-touch trackpad unless Apple upgrades the MacBook line-Remember the aluminum models are now referred to as the MacBook Pro line. Yes SL will work fine on your model. The most significant requirement is it must be an Intel processor since the Power PC chips, such as found in the G4/G5 machines will not be supported by SL. I'd recommend you have at least 2Gb ram, but 1Gb will get the job done. The commands, which are issued from the trackpad are the same commands you can issue currently with VO. It is another means to interact with the os using VO and it is hard to say what the future holds for such a trackpad and VO. The point is that if you have heard the iPhone demos, you can get an idea of how the trackpad could behave and a little imagination might lead you to speculate what Apple could possibly do in the future. So, have no fear and prepare to upgrade, it will be well worth it. On Jul 6, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Okay. So am I to understand that the macbook pro line is the only line that has this fancy mousepad thing? I got my macbook in April of 08 and it is the little white one. I adore it and have been waiting for SL to come out. Will SL even work at all on this sort of macbook? Oh I'm sure the os will work but will VO function if I don't have that fancy mousepad thing? Are there keyboard shortcuts to do whatever is doable with the mousepad? Sorry to be so abrupt gotta run. thanks for any
Re: skype : adding new contacts
The way I have handled this is when in skype I use the command-` combo to switch windows within skype where I find the dialogue to except new contacts. On 6-Jul-09, at 5:44 PM, william windels wrote: hi all, how can I see and accept or reject new people that adds me to their contactlist? I see no popups or something like this thanx alot, best regards, William Windels --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
From what I have read, all the keyboard functionality will be available in snow-leopard the same ways you have access in leopard, but you probably won't have access to the touchpad commander. On 6-Jul-09, at 7:59 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Okay. So am I to understand that the macbook pro line is the only line that has this fancy mousepad thing? I got my macbook in April of 08 and it is the little white one. I adore it and have been waiting for SL to come out. Will SL even work at all on this sort of macbook? Oh I'm sure the os will work but will VO function if I don't have that fancy mousepad thing? Are there keyboard shortcuts to do whatever is doable with the mousepad? Sorry to be so abrupt gotta run. thanks for any answers best wishes Jenny On 7/6/09, Claude Renaud cldren...@gmail.com wrote: Hello James, Sunday, July 5, 2009, 12:31:19 PM, you wrote: JN Hi everyone, JN I've been reading the new VO features in Snow Leopard. Where di you read this please ? Regards, -- Claude Renaud --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
James, as best I understand, it is not going to be an upgrade disc, but a full version. When reading the info that is available, it does not state that you must have an existing copy of Leopard. On Jul 7, 2009, at 6:29 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi, It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? Fortunately, I have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then there shouldn't be any problem. Take care James - Ori --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Oh if you do a little searching on Google, I think you can get a general idea of what is to be expected. On Jul 7, 2009, at 6:39 AM, william lomas wrote: is there a complete list of new features? i.e. •do we get new language voices i wonder • new braille support in other alnguages? etc i guess we will not know these details really until the product is out On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James Nash wrote: Hi, It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? Fortunately, I have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then there shouldn't be any problem. Take care James - Original Message - From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the cost is so unreal, it doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There are other reasons beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you that $30 is a very small price to pay for the improvements and many of which you may not have considered or realized. On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones found in the i phone. I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have now works fine. UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash content so no point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, require flash navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated into the safari or other web browsers On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful news. A little bummed I don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of the iPhone demos and gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll just put up with old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the future and will be happy to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my getting a new macbook happens first. But as this one is still fairly newish I'll wait. Who know by the time it comes time for me to get a new macbook they'll of come up with many more new and cool things. : smiley : Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too far off but. It sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new voices. Have always liked the UK voices. The best thing would be a UK version of Alex, with the breths and all. I still think that's uber cool how Alex voice does that. Jenny On 7/6/09, Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net wrote: Jenny, first only the Aluminum MacBooks contain the multi-touch trackpad unless Apple upgrades the MacBook line-Remember the aluminum models are now referred to as the MacBook Pro line. Yes SL will work fine on your model. The most significant requirement is it must be an Intel processor since the Power PC chips, such as found in the G4/G5 machines will not be supported by SL. I'd recommend you have at least 2Gb ram, but 1Gb will get the job done. The commands, which are issued from the trackpad are the same commands you can issue currently with VO. It is another means to interact with the os using VO and it is hard to say what the future holds for such a trackpad and VO. The point is that if you have heard the iPhone demos, you can get an idea of how the trackpad could behave and a little imagination might lead you to speculate what Apple could possibly do in the future. So, have no fear and prepare to upgrade, it will be well worth it. On Jul 6, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Okay. So am I to understand that the macbook pro line is the only line that has this fancy mousepad thing? I got my macbook in April of 08 and it is the little white one. I adore it and have been waiting for SL to come out. Will SL even work at all on this sort of macbook? Oh I'm sure the os will work but will VO function if I don't have that fancy mousepad thing? Are there keyboard shortcuts to do whatever is doable with the mousepad? Sorry to be so abrupt gotta run. thanks for any answers best wishes Jenny On 7/6/09, Claude Renaud cldren...@gmail.com wrote: Hello James, Sunday, July 5, 2009, 12:31:19 PM, you wrote: JN Hi everyone, JN I've been reading the new VO features in Snow Leopard. Where di you read this please ? Regards, -- Claude Renaud --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
James, the Mac os is based on BSD, not Linux, but it is possible to do what you say. Just wait and see, it won't be much longer. On Jul 7, 2009, at 6:50 AM, James Nash wrote: Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different features. Yes, I think I remember reading that something - it may have been Voice Over - was localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not sure about Braille support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY or ask Apple to do so we may get native foreign language Braille support. I think Apple is Linux based, so this should not be too difficult. Take care James - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard is there a complete list of new features? i.e. .do we get new language voices i wonder . new braille support in other alnguages? etc i guess we will not know these details really until the product is out On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James Nash wrote: Hi, It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? Fortunately, I have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then there shouldn't be any problem. Take care James - Original Message - From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the cost is so unreal, it doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There are other reasons beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you that $30 is a very small price to pay for the improvements and many of which you may not have considered or realized. On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones found in the i phone. I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have now works fine. UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash content so no point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, require flash navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated into the safari or other web browsers On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful news. A little bummed I don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of the iPhone demos and gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll just put up with old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the future and will be happy to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my getting a new macbook happens first. But as this one is still fairly newish I'll wait. Who know by the time it comes time for me to get a new macbook they'll of come up with many more new and cool things. : smiley : Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too far off but. It sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new voices. Have always liked the UK voices. The best thing would be a UK version of Alex, with the breths and all. I still think that's uber cool how Alex voice does that. Jenny On 7/6/09, Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net wrote: Jenny, first only the Aluminum MacBooks contain the multi-touch trackpad unless Apple upgrades the MacBook line-Remember the aluminum models are now referred to as the MacBook Pro line. Yes SL will work fine on your model. The most significant requirement is it must be an Intel processor since the Power PC chips, such as found in the G4/G5 machines will not be supported by SL. I'd recommend you have at least 2Gb ram, but 1Gb will get the job done. The commands, which are issued from the trackpad are the same commands you can issue currently with VO. It is another means to interact with the os using VO and it is hard to say what the future holds for such a trackpad and VO. The point is that if you have heard the iPhone demos, you can get an idea of how the trackpad could behave and a little imagination might lead you to speculate what Apple could possibly do in the future. So, have no fear and prepare to upgrade, it will be well worth it. On Jul 6, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Okay. So am I to understand that the macbook pro line is the only line that has this fancy mousepad thing? I got my macbook in April of 08 and it is the little white one. I adore it and have been waiting for SL to come out. Will SL even work at all on this sort of macbook? Oh I'm sure the os will work but will VO function if I don't have that fancy mousepad thing? Are there keyboard shortcuts to do whatever is doable with the mousepad? Sorry to be so abrupt gotta run. thanks for any answers best wishes Jenny On 7/6/09, Claude Renaud cldren...@gmail.com wrote: Hello James, Sunday, July 5, 2009, 12:31:19 PM, you wrote: JN Hi everyone, JN I've been reading the new VO features in Snow Leopard. Where di you read this please ? Regards,
Re: Adium annoyances.
Good morning Kevin and all: Have you updated to the latest version? Even though I have my adium set to check for updates automatically I had to perform the update manually. That solved some of the problems I was having. Give that a shot if you have not already. Be well. On Jul 7, 2009, at 12:13 AM, Kevin Reeves wrote: Hey folks. Not sure what the deal is here, but I am having problems reading messages in Adium. I have been toggling the message window type from Gone Dark to Minimal mod and sometimes I can see all the messages in a conversation, but sometimes I can't. It's real hit or miss. It's as if the window isn't scrolling down or moving to accommodate the newly populating messages at the bottom of the window. If anyone can help me with any settings that I'm missing, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks so much. Reeves Take good care and I wish you enough. Love Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Hi Barry, Not being a low vision user, this is not something I've looked for. However, I don't remember reading anything like this. It might be best if you E Mail accessibil...@aple.com and asked them. Take care James - Original Message - From: Barry Lipscomb barr...@mac.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard I am a low vision user and I was wondering if anyone has heard if there will be an upgrade to the full screen magnifier. I know in windows when you are using a program like Zoomtext that the resolution on the magnifier is much better. It has crisper sharper text. I would like to see this added to the OSX magnifier. I think a couple years ago they were talking about adding something they called resolution scaling for other reasons but stated it would be a boon for the visually impaired. Does anyone know anything about this and will it be in Snow Leopard? Thanks! Barry On Jul 7, 2009, at 6:18 AM, Scott Howell wrote: James, the Mac os is based on BSD, not Linux, but it is possible to do what you say. Just wait and see, it won't be much longer. On Jul 7, 2009, at 6:50 AM, James Nash wrote: Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different features. Yes, I think I remember reading that something - it may have been Voice Over - was localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not sure about Braille support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY or ask Apple to do so we may get native foreign language Braille support. I think Apple is Linux based, so this should not be too difficult. Take care James - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard is there a complete list of new features? i.e. .do we get new language voices i wonder . new braille support in other alnguages? etc i guess we will not know these details really until the product is out On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James Nash wrote: Hi, It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? Fortunately, I have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then there shouldn't be any problem. Take care James - Original Message - From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the cost is so unreal, it doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There are other reasons beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you that $30 is a very small price to pay for the improvements and many of which you may not have considered or realized. On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones found in the i phone. I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have now works fine. UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash content so no point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, require flash navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated into the safari or other web browsers On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful news. A little bummed I don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of the iPhone demos and gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll just put up with old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the future and will be happy to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my getting a new macbook happens first. But as this one is still fairly newish I'll wait. Who know by the time it comes time for me to get a new macbook they'll of come up with many more new and cool things. : smiley : Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too far off but. It sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new voices. Have always liked the UK voices. The best thing would be a UK version of Alex, with the breths and all. I still think that's uber cool how Alex voice does that. Jenny On 7/6/09, Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net wrote: Jenny, first only the Aluminum MacBooks contain the multi-touch trackpad unless Apple upgrades the MacBook line-Remember the aluminum models are now referred to as the MacBook Pro line. Yes SL will work fine on your model. The most significant requirement is it must be an Intel processor since the Power PC chips, such as found in the G4/G5 machines will not be supported by SL. I'd recommend you have at least 2Gb ram, but 1Gb will get the job done. The commands, which are issued from the trackpad are the same commands you can issue currently with VO. It is another means to interact with the os using VO and it is hard to say what the future holds for such a trackpad and VO. The point is that if you have heard the iPhone demos, you can get an idea
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Thank You James! On Jul 7, 2009, at 6:51 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi Barry, Not being a low vision user, this is not something I've looked for. However, I don't remember reading anything like this. It might be best if you E Mail accessibil...@aple.com and asked them. Take care James - Original Message - From: Barry Lipscomb barr...@mac.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard I am a low vision user and I was wondering if anyone has heard if there will be an upgrade to the full screen magnifier. I know in windows when you are using a program like Zoomtext that the resolution on the magnifier is much better. It has crisper sharper text. I would like to see this added to the OSX magnifier. I think a couple years ago they were talking about adding something they called resolution scaling for other reasons but stated it would be a boon for the visually impaired. Does anyone know anything about this and will it be in Snow Leopard? Thanks! Barry On Jul 7, 2009, at 6:18 AM, Scott Howell wrote: James, the Mac os is based on BSD, not Linux, but it is possible to do what you say. Just wait and see, it won't be much longer. On Jul 7, 2009, at 6:50 AM, James Nash wrote: Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different features. Yes, I think I remember reading that something - it may have been Voice Over - was localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not sure about Braille support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY or ask Apple to do so we may get native foreign language Braille support. I think Apple is Linux based, so this should not be too difficult. Take care James - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard is there a complete list of new features? i.e. .do we get new language voices i wonder . new braille support in other alnguages? etc i guess we will not know these details really until the product is out On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James Nash wrote: Hi, It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? Fortunately, I have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then there shouldn't be any problem. Take care James - Original Message - From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the cost is so unreal, it doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There are other reasons beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you that $30 is a very small price to pay for the improvements and many of which you may not have considered or realized. On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones found in the i phone. I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have now works fine. UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash content so no point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, require flash navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated into the safari or other web browsers On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful news. A little bummed I don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of the iPhone demos and gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll just put up with old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the future and will be happy to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my getting a new macbook happens first. But as this one is still fairly newish I'll wait. Who know by the time it comes time for me to get a new macbook they'll of come up with many more new and cool things. : smiley : Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too far off but. It sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new voices. Have always liked the UK voices. The best thing would be a UK version of Alex, with the breths and all. I still think that's uber cool how Alex voice does that. Jenny On 7/6/09, Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net wrote: Jenny, first only the Aluminum MacBooks contain the multi- touch trackpad unless Apple upgrades the MacBook line-Remember the aluminum models are now referred to as the MacBook Pro line. Yes SL will work fine on your model. The most significant requirement is it must be an Intel processor since the Power PC chips, such as found in the G4/G5 machines will not be supported by SL. I'd recommend you have at least 2Gb ram, but 1Gb will get the job done. The commands, which are issued from the trackpad are the same commands you can issue currently with VO. It is another means to interact with the os using VO and it is
OCR Voice Over and Mac OS X
Hi everyone, What are people using for OCR with Voice Over? Thanks Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OCR Voice Over and Mac OS X
readiris is a good solution though expensive? or omnipage On 7 Jul 2009, at 14:01, James Nash wrote: Hi everyone, What are people using for OCR with Voice Over? Thanks Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Safari 4.x critically broken yet again
Hi, Dear accessibility team: I have included the following code below. The issues are that in Webkit the radio buttons read properly in my opinion. The same code in Safari does not. There are also issues with the dropdown box that does not work in either Safari or Webkit. I provide this as VoiceOver feedback in the hope that we can build a better screen reader together. Below my code is a previous e-mail explaining the problem with the dropdown menus and yet another message which contains a description of a problem I found with input fields. Code: html head title Accessibility example/title /head body form action=accessibility.cgi method=post input name=service type=hidden value=Contrast Service: labelinput checked= name=ca-sfu-icat-accessibilityOn type=radio value=onOn/label labelinput checked=true name=ca-sfu-icat-accessibilityOn type=radio value=offOff/label span class=ca-sfu-icat-accessibilitySettings id=ca-sfu-icat- accessibilityContrastSettingslabel for=ca-sfu-icat- accessibilityContrastLevelContrast Level:/labelselect id=ca-sfu- icat-accessibilityContrastLevel name=caSfuIcatAccessibilityLeveloption value=iC1High (White on Black)/optionoption value=C2Semi-contrast (Greyskale)/option/ select/spanbr input id=ca-sfu-icat-accessibilityServiceUpdate name=save type=submit value=update /form /body /html END of Code Thanks again, Alex, Begin E-mail 1: On 6-Jul-09, at 7:38 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, Dear Accessibility: I really appreciate your speedy response on the issue I reported recently where form elements such as input tags were not properly associated with their labels. I will stress, however, that support of the title attribute as done in Safari 4.x brings greater web design flexibility with regards to accessibility. However, fallback mechanisms would be helpful for older sites. Unfortunately, I must report the same issue is now occurring with Drop Down Menus. Consider the code: CODE: html head title Dropdown Sample /title /head body label for=dropdownChoose your province:/label select id=dropdown name=myProvince option value=bcBritish Columbia/option option value=abAlberta/option /select /body /html The dropdown's label should be Choose Your Province, but instead no label is returned. Regards, Alex, END of E-mail 1 Begin E-mail 2: On 27-Jun-09, at 4:44 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, Dear Accessibility: This shouldn't be a problem to fix in the current release of Leopard 10.5.7. It was working prior to the Webkit Nightly builds of two months ago or so, and the Safari 4.x series. I feel that it is worth fixing in Leopard as many of the blind community are still on PPC machines and won't be making the switch to SL. Regards, Alex, On 26-Jun-09, at 3:39 PM, Accessibility wrote: Hi Alex: Thank you for reporting this. We're not aware of a work-around for the current release, but will do our best to address it in Snow Leopard. On Jun 25, 2009, at 12:14 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, Dear accessibility team et al: I am the web accessibility consultant for my organization. One of the developers brought it to my attention that VoiceOver and Safari 4.x have problems associating labels with elements in forms, particularly the text input fields. Further research revealed that about 90% of the site which was nearly all accessible has been lost because the text fields all lost their labels with Voiceover. Text cases also revealed that VoiceOver requires a title attribute in a text input field to label it, such as on http://labs.google.com/accessible/ . I can appreciate why this is done, because it gives better customizing of field labels, but unfortunately, when none is present, VO does not fall back to labels as expected. Is there anything I can do to remedy this? Regards, Alex, END of E-mail 2 Regards, Alex, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OCR Voice Over and Mac OS X
Hello James, I use a combination of VueScan and Readiris for OCR. VueScan does better scans but its OCR isn't up to much. Readiris is unusable with some scanners because of their drivers not being accessible, but its OCR is excellent. You can find my setup guide and user guide for these two apps on: www.lioncourt.com and www.icanworkthisthing.com It's not worth wasting money on Omnipage any more since it hasn't been updated for around 8 years. Cheers, Anne On Jul 7, 2009, at 3:01 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi everyone, What are people using for OCR with Voice Over? Thanks Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OCR Voice Over and Mac OS X
Thanks Anne I'll definitely take a look at those guides Take care James - Original Message - From: Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 2:35 PM Subject: Re: OCR Voice Over and Mac OS X Hello James, I use a combination of VueScan and Readiris for OCR. VueScan does better scans but its OCR isn't up to much. Readiris is unusable with some scanners because of their drivers not being accessible, but its OCR is excellent. You can find my setup guide and user guide for these two apps on: www.lioncourt.com and www.icanworkthisthing.com It's not worth wasting money on Omnipage any more since it hasn't been updated for around 8 years. Cheers, Anne On Jul 7, 2009, at 3:01 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi everyone, What are people using for OCR with Voice Over? Thanks Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Firefox and Flash
Hi, There is a plugin for Safari that disables Flash. Regards, Alex, On 7-Jul-09, at 1:35 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi Will, Once Fire Fox becomes accessible with VO you'll find that there is a plugin which helps blind users cope with the increasing prevelance of Flash on the web. Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Safari 4.x critically broken yet again
Hi elix. Yes sifarey is quite broken. Till it is fixed I'm using webkit. It seam's to work quite well and I like it a lot. Just a work around till sifarey is fixed. Thank's for the e-maile though. On 7-Jul-09, at 9:34 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, Dear accessibility team: I have included the following code below. The issues are that in Webkit the radio buttons read properly in my opinion. The same code in Safari does not. There are also issues with the dropdown box that does not work in either Safari or Webkit. I provide this as VoiceOver feedback in the hope that we can build a better screen reader together. Below my code is a previous e-mail explaining the problem with the dropdown menus and yet another message which contains a description of a problem I found with input fields. Code: html head title Accessibility example/title /head body form action=accessibility.cgi method=post input name=service type=hidden value=Contrast Service: labelinput checked= name=ca-sfu-icat-accessibilityOn type=radio value=onOn/label labelinput checked=true name=ca-sfu-icat-accessibilityOn type=radio value=offOff/ label span class=ca-sfu-icat-accessibilitySettings id=ca-sfu-icat- accessibilityContrastSettingslabel for=ca-sfu-icat- accessibilityContrastLevelContrast Level:/labelselect id=ca- sfu-icat-accessibilityContrastLevel name=caSfuIcatAccessibilityLeveloption value=iC1High (White on Black)/optionoption value=C2Semi-contrast (Greyskale)/ option/select/spanbr input id=ca-sfu-icat-accessibilityServiceUpdate name=save type=submit value=update /form /body /html END of Code Thanks again, Alex, Begin E-mail 1: On 6-Jul-09, at 7:38 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, Dear Accessibility: I really appreciate your speedy response on the issue I reported recently where form elements such as input tags were not properly associated with their labels. I will stress, however, that support of the title attribute as done in Safari 4.x brings greater web design flexibility with regards to accessibility. However, fallback mechanisms would be helpful for older sites. Unfortunately, I must report the same issue is now occurring with Drop Down Menus. Consider the code: CODE: html head title Dropdown Sample /title /head body label for=dropdownChoose your province:/label select id=dropdown name=myProvince option value=bcBritish Columbia/option option value=abAlberta/option /select /body /html The dropdown's label should be Choose Your Province, but instead no label is returned. Regards, Alex, END of E-mail 1 Begin E-mail 2: On 27-Jun-09, at 4:44 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, Dear Accessibility: This shouldn't be a problem to fix in the current release of Leopard 10.5.7. It was working prior to the Webkit Nightly builds of two months ago or so, and the Safari 4.x series. I feel that it is worth fixing in Leopard as many of the blind community are still on PPC machines and won't be making the switch to SL. Regards, Alex, On 26-Jun-09, at 3:39 PM, Accessibility wrote: Hi Alex: Thank you for reporting this. We're not aware of a work-around for the current release, but will do our best to address it in Snow Leopard. On Jun 25, 2009, at 12:14 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, Dear accessibility team et al: I am the web accessibility consultant for my organization. One of the developers brought it to my attention that VoiceOver and Safari 4.x have problems associating labels with elements in forms, particularly the text input fields. Further research revealed that about 90% of the site which was nearly all accessible has been lost because the text fields all lost their labels with Voiceover. Text cases also revealed that VoiceOver requires a title attribute in a text input field to label it, such as on http://labs.google.com/accessible/ . I can appreciate why this is done, because it gives better customizing of field labels, but unfortunately, when none is present, VO does not fall back to labels as expected. Is there anything I can do to remedy this? Regards, Alex, END of E-mail 2 Regards, Alex, --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Selecting multiples with VO
Hi, Dear list: Thepy are aware of the issues. Regards, Alex, On 7-Jul-09, at 1:31 AM, James Nash wrote: You are right about taht. I remember that happening. Have you contacted Apple Accessibility? They have always been very good at acknowledging and addressing in time if not all issues that are raised. Take care James - Original Message - From: Kevin Reeves To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:53 AM Subject: Re: Selecting multiples with VO The annoying thing about selecting multiple items in Leopard currently is that when you shift up and down arrow, it says, 2 rows selected, 3 rows selected, etc. It's really annoying as it doesn't read what you are selecting, even when you've interacted with the table. If anyone knows of another way to accomplish this, I'd love to know, as I have found this to be quite annoying n both tiger and leopard. On Jul 5, 2009, at 5:31 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi everyone, When I was last using VO with Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, it seemed that VO did not select multiple items such as E Mails when using shift up and down arrow. It was quite difficult therefore to know what was selected and so I endedup deleting mail by mail. Has this changed or will this change under Snow Leopard. Thank you Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
I have been e-mailing Apple accessibility regarding providing a broader support in refreshable Braille for other languages. I do hope Snow Leopard is going to bring this aspect to those of us who would benefit from it. It would certainly accelerate my leaving Windows behind altogether. With best wishes Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:50, James Nash wrote: Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different features. Yes, I think I remember reading that something - it may have been Voice Over - was localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not sure about Braille support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY or ask Apple to do so we may get native foreign language Braille support. I think Apple is Linux based, so this should not be too difficult. Take care James - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard is there a complete list of new features? i.e. .do we get new language voices i wonder . new braille support in other alnguages? etc i guess we will not know these details really until the product is out On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James Nash wrote: Hi, It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? Fortunately, I have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then there shouldn't be any problem. Take care James - Original Message - From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the cost is so unreal, it doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There are other reasons beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you that $30 is a very small price to pay for the improvements and many of which you may not have considered or realized. On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones found in the i phone. I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have now works fine. UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash content so no point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, require flash navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated into the safari or other web browsers On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful news. A little bummed I don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of the iPhone demos and gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll just put up with old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the future and will be happy to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my getting a new macbook happens first. But as this one is still fairly newish I'll wait. Who know by the time it comes time for me to get a new macbook they'll of come up with many more new and cool things. : smiley : Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too far off but. It sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new voices. Have always liked the UK voices. The best thing would be a UK version of Alex, with the breths and all. I still think that's uber cool how Alex voice does that. Jenny On 7/6/09, Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net wrote: Jenny, first only the Aluminum MacBooks contain the multi-touch trackpad unless Apple upgrades the MacBook line-Remember the aluminum models are now referred to as the MacBook Pro line. Yes SL will work fine on your model. The most significant requirement is it must be an Intel processor since the Power PC chips, such as found in the G4/G5 machines will not be supported by SL. I'd recommend you have at least 2Gb ram, but 1Gb will get the job done. The commands, which are issued from the trackpad are the same commands you can issue currently with VO. It is another means to interact with the os using VO and it is hard to say what the future holds for such a trackpad and VO. The point is that if you have heard the iPhone demos, you can get an idea of how the trackpad could behave and a little imagination might lead you to speculate what Apple could possibly do in the future. So, have no fear and prepare to upgrade, it will be well worth it. On Jul 6, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Okay. So am I to understand that the macbook pro line is the only line that has this fancy mousepad thing? I got my macbook in April of 08 and it is the little white one. I adore it and have been waiting for SL to come out. Will SL even work at all on this sort of macbook? Oh I'm sure the os will work but will VO function if I don't have that fancy mousepad thing? Are there keyboard shortcuts to do whatever is doable with the mousepad? Sorry to be so abrupt gotta run. thanks for any answers best wishes Jenny On 7/6/09, Claude Renaud cldren...@gmail.com wrote:
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they have always acknowledged my messages and have offered support where they can. I still like and would continue to use Windows for things but I do miss Mac. That's why I'm going to purchase a new one. - Original Message - From: Simon Cavendish simon.cavend...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:34 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard I have been e-mailing Apple accessibility regarding providing a broader support in refreshable Braille for other languages. I do hope Snow Leopard is going to bring this aspect to those of us who would benefit from it. It would certainly accelerate my leaving Windows behind altogether. With best wishes Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:50, James Nash wrote: Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different features. Yes, I think I remember reading that something - it may have been Voice Over - was localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not sure about Braille support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY or ask Apple to do so we may get native foreign language Braille support. I think Apple is Linux based, so this should not be too difficult. Take care James - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard is there a complete list of new features? i.e. .do we get new language voices i wonder . new braille support in other alnguages? etc i guess we will not know these details really until the product is out On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James Nash wrote: Hi, It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? Fortunately, I have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then there shouldn't be any problem. Take care James - Original Message - From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the cost is so unreal, it doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There are other reasons beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you that $30 is a very small price to pay for the improvements and many of which you may not have considered or realized. On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones found in the i phone. I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have now works fine. UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash content so no point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, require flash navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated into the safari or other web browsers On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful news. A little bummed I don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of the iPhone demos and gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll just put up with old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the future and will be happy to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my getting a new macbook happens first. But as this one is still fairly newish I'll wait. Who know by the time it comes time for me to get a new macbook they'll of come up with many more new and cool things. : smiley : Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too far off but. It sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new voices. Have always liked the UK voices. The best thing would be a UK version of Alex, with the breths and all. I still think that's uber cool how Alex voice does that. Jenny On 7/6/09, Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net wrote: Jenny, first only the Aluminum MacBooks contain the multi-touch trackpad unless Apple upgrades the MacBook line-Remember the aluminum models are now referred to as the MacBook Pro line. Yes SL will work fine on your model. The most significant requirement is it must be an Intel processor since the Power PC chips, such as found in the G4/G5 machines will not be supported by SL. I'd recommend you have at least 2Gb ram, but 1Gb will get the job done. The commands, which are issued from the trackpad are the same commands you can issue currently with VO. It is another means to interact with the os using VO and it is hard to say what the future holds for such a trackpad and VO. The point is that if you have heard the iPhone demos, you can get an idea of how the trackpad could behave and a little imagination might lead you to speculate what Apple could possibly do in the future. So, have no fear and prepare to upgrade, it will be well worth it. On Jul 6, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Okay. So am I to understand that the macbook pro line is the only line that has this fancy mousepad thing? I got my macbook in April of 08 and it is
Re: Firefox and Flash
I believe that the one for Firefox makes the Flash content into a buton which can be pressed. Not sure about the Safari one though. - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 5:13 PM Subject: Re: Firefox and Flash yeah but is there one which enables access to it? smile On 7 Jul 2009, at 14:50, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, There is a plugin for Safari that disables Flash. Regards, Alex, On 7-Jul-09, at 1:35 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi Will, Once Fire Fox becomes accessible with VO you'll find that there is a plugin which helps blind users cope with the increasing prevelance of Flash on the web. Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Firefox and Flash
but the browser itself is not yet accessible to us, right? On 7 Jul 2009, at 17:27, James Nash wrote: I believe that the one for Firefox makes the Flash content into a buton which can be pressed. Not sure about the Safari one though. - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 5:13 PM Subject: Re: Firefox and Flash yeah but is there one which enables access to it? smile On 7 Jul 2009, at 14:50, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, There is a plugin for Safari that disables Flash. Regards, Alex, On 7-Jul-09, at 1:35 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi Will, Once Fire Fox becomes accessible with VO you'll find that there is a plugin which helps blind users cope with the increasing prevelance of Flash on the web. Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
dom and group mode?
hi i have always utilised dom mode for my navigation of pages but is group mode signifcantly quicker? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
I remember reading about new suported braille displays, including some bluetooth ones. I don't think they delved into specific details of actual supported models. On 7/7/09, william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com wrote: it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen languages with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in your own languages but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined foreign voices On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my posts, and I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille support. I wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching on my part! With best wishes, Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James Nash wrote: I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they have always acknowledged my messages and have offered support where they can. I still like and would continue to use Windows for things but I do miss Mac. That's why I'm going to purchase a new one. - Original Message - From: Simon Cavendish simon.cavend...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:34 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard I have been e-mailing Apple accessibility regarding providing a broader support in refreshable Braille for other languages. I do hope Snow Leopard is going to bring this aspect to those of us who would benefit from it. It would certainly accelerate my leaving Windows behind altogether. With best wishes Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:50, James Nash wrote: Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different features. Yes, I think I remember reading that something - it may have been Voice Over - was localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not sure about Braille support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY or ask Apple to do so we may get native foreign language Braille support. I think Apple is Linux based, so this should not be too difficult. Take care James - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard is there a complete list of new features? i.e. .do we get new language voices i wonder . new braille support in other alnguages? etc i guess we will not know these details really until the product is out On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James Nash wrote: Hi, It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? Fortunately, I have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then there shouldn't be any problem. Take care James - Original Message - From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the cost is so unreal, it doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There are other reasons beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you that $30 is a very small price to pay for the improvements and many of which you may not have considered or realized. On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones found in the i phone. I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have now works fine. UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash content so no point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, require flash navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated into the safari or other web browsers On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful news. A little bummed I don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of the iPhone demos and gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll just put up with old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the future and will be happy to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my getting a new macbook happens first. But as this one is still fairly newish I'll wait. Who know by the time it comes time for me to get a new macbook they'll of come up with many more new and cool things. : smiley : Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too far off but. It sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new voices. Have always liked the UK voices. The best thing would be a UK version of Alex, with the breths and all. I still think that's uber cool how Alex voice does that. Jenny On 7/6/09, Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net wrote: Jenny, first only the Aluminum MacBooks contain the multi- touch trackpad unless Apple upgrades the MacBook line-Remember the aluminum models are now referred to as the MacBook Pro line. Yes SL will work fine on your model. The most significant requirement is it must be an Intel processor since the Power PC chips, such as found in the G4/G5 machines will not be supported by
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself will ship with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. or whether we are still locked down to using acapella On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: i did not understand this post. i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. rk Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha scritto: it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen languages with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in your own languages but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined foreign voices On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my posts, and I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille support. I wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching on my part! With best wishes, Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James Nash wrote: I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they have always acknowledged my messages and have offered support where they can. I still like and would continue to use Windows for things but I do miss Mac. That's why I'm going to purchase a new one. - Original Message - From: Simon Cavendish simon.cavend...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:34 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard I have been e-mailing Apple accessibility regarding providing a broader support in refreshable Braille for other languages. I do hope Snow Leopard is going to bring this aspect to those of us who would benefit from it. It would certainly accelerate my leaving Windows behind altogether. With best wishes Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:50, James Nash wrote: Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different features. Yes, I think I remember reading that something - it may have been Voice Over - was localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not sure about Braille support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY or ask Apple to do so we may get native foreign language Braille support. I think Apple is Linux based, so this should not be too difficult. Take care James - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard is there a complete list of new features? i.e. .do we get new language voices i wonder . new braille support in other alnguages? etc i guess we will not know these details really until the product is out On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James Nash wrote: Hi, It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? Fortunately, I have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then there shouldn't be any problem. Take care James - Original Message - From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the cost is so unreal, it doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There are other reasons beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you that $30 is a very small price to pay for the improvements and many of which you may not have considered or realized. On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones found in the i phone. I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have now works fine. UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash content so no point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, require flash navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated into the safari or other web browsers On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful news. A little bummed I don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of the iPhone demos and gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll just put up with old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the future and will be happy to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my getting a new macbook happens first. But as this one is still fairly newish I'll wait. Who know by the time it comes time for me to get a new macbook they'll of come up with many more new and cool things. : smiley : Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too far off but. It sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new voices. Have always liked the UK voices. The best thing would be a UK version of Alex, with the breths and all. I still think that's uber cool how Alex voice does that. Jenny On 7/6/09, Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net wrote: Jenny, first only the Aluminum MacBooks contain the multi- touch trackpad unless Apple upgrades the MacBook line-Remember the aluminum models are now referred to as the MacBook Pro
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
It will. On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself will ship with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. or whether we are still locked down to using acapella On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: i did not understand this post. i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. rk Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha scritto: it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen languages with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in your own languages but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined foreign voices On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my posts, and I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille support. I wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching on my part! With best wishes, Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James Nash wrote: I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they have always acknowledged my messages and have offered support where they can. I still like and would continue to use Windows for things but I do miss Mac. That's why I'm going to purchase a new one. - Original Message - From: Simon Cavendish simon.cavend...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:34 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard I have been e-mailing Apple accessibility regarding providing a broader support in refreshable Braille for other languages. I do hope Snow Leopard is going to bring this aspect to those of us who would benefit from it. It would certainly accelerate my leaving Windows behind altogether. With best wishes Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:50, James Nash wrote: Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different features. Yes, I think I remember reading that something - it may have been Voice Over - was localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not sure about Braille support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY or ask Apple to do so we may get native foreign language Braille support. I think Apple is Linux based, so this should not be too difficult. Take care James - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard is there a complete list of new features? i.e. .do we get new language voices i wonder . new braille support in other alnguages? etc i guess we will not know these details really until the product is out On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James Nash wrote: Hi, It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? Fortunately, I have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then there shouldn't be any problem. Take care James - Original Message - From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the cost is so unreal, it doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There are other reasons beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you that $30 is a very small price to pay for the improvements and many of which you may not have considered or realized. On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones found in the i phone. I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have now works fine. UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash content so no point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, require flash navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated into the safari or other web browsers On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful news. A little bummed I don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of the iPhone demos and gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll just put up with old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the future and will be happy to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my getting a new macbook happens first. But as this one is still fairly newish I'll wait. Who know by the time it comes time for me to get a new macbook they'll of come up with many more new and cool things. : smiley : Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too far off but. It sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new voices. Have always liked the UK voices. The best thing would be a UK version of Alex, with the breths and all. I still think that's uber cool how Alex voice does that. Jenny On 7/6/09, Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net wrote: Jenny, first only the Aluminum MacBooks contain the multi- touch trackpad unless Apple upgrades the MacBook
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Hi, Red flag, We are moving into grey ares. Please keep the posts NDA compliant. Thanks, Alex, On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: It will. On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself will ship with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. or whether we are still locked down to using acapella On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: i did not understand this post. i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. rk Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha scritto: it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen languages with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in your own languages but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined foreign voices On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my posts, and I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille support. I wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching on my part! With best wishes, Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James Nash wrote: I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they have always acknowledged my messages and have offered support where they can. I still like and would continue to use Windows for things but I do miss Mac. That's why I'm going to purchase a new one. - Original Message - From: Simon Cavendish simon.cavend...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:34 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard I have been e-mailing Apple accessibility regarding providing a broader support in refreshable Braille for other languages. I do hope Snow Leopard is going to bring this aspect to those of us who would benefit from it. It would certainly accelerate my leaving Windows behind altogether. With best wishes Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:50, James Nash wrote: Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different features. Yes, I think I remember reading that something - it may have been Voice Over - was localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not sure about Braille support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY or ask Apple to do so we may get native foreign language Braille support. I think Apple is Linux based, so this should not be too difficult. Take care James - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard is there a complete list of new features? i.e. .do we get new language voices i wonder . new braille support in other alnguages? etc i guess we will not know these details really until the product is out On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James Nash wrote: Hi, It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? Fortunately, I have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then there shouldn't be any problem. Take care James - Original Message - From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the cost is so unreal, it doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There are other reasons beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you that $30 is a very small price to pay for the improvements and many of which you may not have considered or realized. On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones found in the i phone. I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have now works fine. UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash content so no point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, require flash navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated into the safari or other web browsers On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful news. A little bummed I don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of the iPhone demos and gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll just put up with old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the future and will be happy to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my getting a new macbook happens first. But as this one is still fairly newish I'll wait. Who know by the time it comes time for me to get a new macbook they'll of come up with many more new and cool things. : smiley : Can't wait 'til SL comes out. I know it's not too far off but. It sounds so awesome. Am keen to hear any new voices. Have always liked the UK voices. The best thing would be a UK version of Alex, with the breths and all. I still think that's uber cool how Alex voice does that. Jenny On 7/6/09,
Re: dom and group mode?
Well, It works better on some pages than on others. But over all, I would say that it it is significantly quicker navigation in most cases. I leave it on all the time. I have seen a few instances however where some things are invisible to VO when group is on. I'm not sure, but it seems to me to have to do with Java script. It doesn't happen very often though. I would personally like to see a way to quickly toggle between the to modes. On Jul 7, 2009, at 12:07 PM, william lomas wrote: hi i have always utilised dom mode for my navigation of pages but is group mode signifcantly quicker? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
the release date
hi rather than discussing the new snowleopard and breaking potential NDAs, did apple announce when in september they hope to ship snowleopard? WIll --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Firefox and Flash
Not from waht i've read and heard. Shame but hopefully it will be by the end of this year. - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 5:54 PM Subject: Re: Firefox and Flash but the browser itself is not yet accessible to us, right? On 7 Jul 2009, at 17:27, James Nash wrote: I believe that the one for Firefox makes the Flash content into a buton which can be pressed. Not sure about the Safari one though. - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 5:13 PM Subject: Re: Firefox and Flash yeah but is there one which enables access to it? smile On 7 Jul 2009, at 14:50, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, There is a plugin for Safari that disables Flash. Regards, Alex, On 7-Jul-09, at 1:35 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi Will, Once Fire Fox becomes accessible with VO you'll find that there is a plugin which helps blind users cope with the increasing prevelance of Flash on the web. Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
If that does happen, that's fantastic news. Accapella are fantastic voices but it would be cool to have French and other European and Slavic languages etc included by default. - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 7:15 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know what will be included in my view On 7 Jul 2009, at 19:11, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, Red flag, We are moving into grey ares. Please keep the posts NDA compliant. Thanks, Alex, On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: It will. On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself will ship with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. or whether we are still locked down to using acapella On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: i did not understand this post. i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. rk Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha scritto: it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen languages with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in your own languages but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined foreign voices On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my posts, and I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille support. I wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching on my part! With best wishes, Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James Nash wrote: I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they have always acknowledged my messages and have offered support where they can. I still like and would continue to use Windows for things but I do miss Mac. That's why I'm going to purchase a new one. - Original Message - From: Simon Cavendish simon.cavend...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:34 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard I have been e-mailing Apple accessibility regarding providing a broader support in refreshable Braille for other languages. I do hope Snow Leopard is going to bring this aspect to those of us who would benefit from it. It would certainly accelerate my leaving Windows behind altogether. With best wishes Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:50, James Nash wrote: Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different features. Yes, I think I remember reading that something - it may have been Voice Over - was localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not sure about Braille support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY or ask Apple to do so we may get native foreign language Braille support. I think Apple is Linux based, so this should not be too difficult. Take care James - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard is there a complete list of new features? i.e. .do we get new language voices i wonder . new braille support in other alnguages? etc i guess we will not know these details really until the product is out On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James Nash wrote: Hi, It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? Fortunately, I have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then there shouldn't be any problem. Take care James - Original Message - From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard Maybe so, but it will be worth upgrading and the cost is so unreal, it doesn't make much since to skip this upgrade. There are other reasons beyond accessibility to upgrade. I can guarantee you that $30 is a very small price to pay for the improvements and many of which you may not have considered or realized. On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:47 AM, william lomas wrote: i doubt we get new voices except maybe the ones found in the i phone. I am going to wait to upgrade i think, what I have now works fine. UPgrading won't give us for example, access to flash content so no point in me upgrading since a lot of sites I use, require flash navigation which adobe have not yet incorporated into the safari or other web browsers On 7 Jul 2009, at 02:53, Jenny Kennedy wrote: Yay! I'm very very glad to hear this wonderful news. A little bummed I don't have a fancy trackpad. I have heard some of the iPhone demos and gestures just sound so cool and fun. I guess I'll just put up with old tech. LOL I hope to get an iPhone in the future and will be happy to wait 'til then to try gestures. Unless my getting a new macbook
smart mailbox question
Hi list, I created a smart mailbox for all of the messages in this list, but apparently I'm not understanding something correctly. Once you create the mailbox and specify which messages should go there, shouldn't all future messages go there? The are not doing so. Thanks, Eliza --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: smart mailbox question
Hi Eliza, I had the same issue. I got around this by just creating a normal mailbox and once I set up the rules all the messages went to the correct mailbox without any trouble. I hope this helps. Take care James - Original Message - From: Eliza Cooper eliza.l.coo...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 7:53 PM Subject: smart mailbox question Hi list, I created a smart mailbox for all of the messages in this list, but apparently I'm not understanding something correctly. Once you create the mailbox and specify which messages should go there, shouldn't all future messages go there? The are not doing so. Thanks, Eliza --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
No one has the right to break the law. We will all know what to expect in Snow Leopard when all the information is made public. Being blind is also not an excuse for breaking the law. This is just a matter of breaking NDA contracts because of a few people's impatience. No one is making you upgrade to Snow Leopard before you know what's included. It doesn't even come out for nearly three more months. On Jul 7, 2009, at 11:15 AM, william lomas wrote: fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know what will be included in my view --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: smart mailbox question
Dear Eliza, You set rules under Mail preferences which you access either through the menu bar under Mail, or by using the shortcut key command+comma. Then by interacting with the toolbar you can choose rules. In there, provided you have already created a mailbox to which you have given the names, you can set up the rule, like for isntance, if a mail comes from the address in To field, move it to the mailbox name. Hope this helps. With best wishes, Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 20:18, Eliza Cooper wrote: Hi James, Where can I find instructions for setting up rules? Thanks, Eliza On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:56 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi Eliza, I had the same issue. I got around this by just creating a normal mailbox and once I set up the rules all the messages went to the correct mailbox without any trouble. I hope this helps. Take care James - Original Message - From: Eliza Cooper eliza.l.coo...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 7:53 PM Subject: smart mailbox question Hi list, I created a smart mailbox for all of the messages in this list, but apparently I'm not understanding something correctly. Once you create the mailbox and specify which messages should go there, shouldn't all future messages go there? The are not doing so. Thanks, Eliza --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Word Processing on Mac OS X
Hi folks, Does anyone use Pages or Nisus Writer Pro on Mac OS X or indeed any other Mac word processor please? If so, what is the acce3ssibility of each with VO? Thanks James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
telnet again
Hello again, well, I can send in unicode now. Thanks but now the problem is other In a standar telnet connection I can't see specials character from Spanish language like á é í ó ú ñ how can I see these characters? thanks and regards Jonathan Chacón --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GW-Booksense] Disappointed
Well-- The Mac doesn't seem to recognize the BookSense. This would appear to be an issue with the card reader or something in the BookSense. Fortunately, I have an external card reader, and the Mac recognizes the SD card when I put the card in the reader instead of the BookSense. So, it isn't a card format issue (i.e. it really does use fat32 and not NTFS). While this isn't a show stopper, it is slightly disappointing. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X
HI, James: Pages and Open Office 3.x are accessible, though neither has tables support yet. I have heard that the other one you mentioned is accessible too. Regards, Alex, On 7-Jul-09, at 12:48 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi folks, Does anyone use Pages or Nisus Writer Pro on Mac OS X or indeed any other Mac word processor please? If so, what is the acce3ssibility of each with VO? Thanks James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X
hi, i use text edit allways , pages and open office. text edit is not a simple note editor and is very potential, eg. saves tables, links ecc iwork is as great as word ... and it is useful to open doc from moffice and insert formatting such as header or foot nottes. i love it's comment capacity, something which i never used with jaws. i don't have i works and i save with open office. it is great for handling different formats such as pdf or word. you can copy some files and paste in open office , it gives you only text. i hope this makes sense for you. rk Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 21:48, James Nash ha scritto: Hi folks, Does anyone use Pages or Nisus Writer Pro on Mac OS X or indeed any other Mac word processor please? If so, what is the acce3ssibility of each with VO? Thanks James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X
hi, what are your needs? since i swich to mac i never needed to turn back. open office is very similar to ms office at least it has everything in the menu format. rk Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 22:03, Simon Cavendish ha scritto: Dear James, I have been following various posts on this list but to date I haven't heard anything reassuring about Pages or Iworks that would persuade me that I could ditch Ms Office under Windows. However, I know that some people have used Pages and other applications with a degree of success. I've looked at the help files in Pages but I found them so unhelpful that I gave up. I seem to remember that you had some contacts with Nisus Pro. ARe you still able to talk to them about accessbility of their application? If they took our need on board, I feel they would be a great rival to Ms Office on the Mac. I am sorry not to be more helpful. With best and warmest wishes Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 20:48, James Nash wrote: Hi folks, Does anyone use Pages or Nisus Writer Pro on Mac OS X or indeed any other Mac word processor please? If so, what is the acce3ssibility of each with VO? Thanks James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X
I recommend OpenOffice. With Writer you have access to bullets and tables. With those two things, you can make a pretty decent technical document. Just a note about the tables: You might not think that you can do anything with Them at first, but it does work. However, Text presented in a table on a help page is unreadable by VO. I've been in tuch with the developers about this. On Jul 7, 2009, at 3:00 PM, Alex Jurgensen wrote: HI, James: Pages and Open Office 3.x are accessible, though neither has tables support yet. I have heard that the other one you mentioned is accessible too. Regards, Alex, On 7-Jul-09, at 12:48 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi folks, Does anyone use Pages or Nisus Writer Pro on Mac OS X or indeed any other Mac word processor please? If so, what is the acce3ssibility of each with VO? Thanks James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X
Dear Rostislava, The major problems I have encountered trying to use Nisus Writer Pro is a lack of certainty in formatting. I would not know for instance when I was inserting bullets or other features. When toggling attributes like bold or udnerline, i do not know whether i toggle them on or off. It's difficult remember every time to do it. And of course, there is a problem with tables. I don't know when I am in the table and which row or column I am in. If you have had more success, and if you are, lie me, a completely, blind person, I would be interested in your experiences. I also have documents for which I would have to create headers or footers. AGain, it is an uncertainty of whre I am: main body text or header or footer, and having feedback about formatting. With best wishes Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 21:14, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: hi, what are your needs? since i swich to mac i never needed to turn back. open office is very similar to ms office at least it has everything in the menu format. rk Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 22:03, Simon Cavendish ha scritto: Dear James, I have been following various posts on this list but to date I haven't heard anything reassuring about Pages or Iworks that would persuade me that I could ditch Ms Office under Windows. However, I know that some people have used Pages and other applications with a degree of success. I've looked at the help files in Pages but I found them so unhelpful that I gave up. I seem to remember that you had some contacts with Nisus Pro. ARe you still able to talk to them about accessbility of their application? If they took our need on board, I feel they would be a great rival to Ms Office on the Mac. I am sorry not to be more helpful. With best and warmest wishes Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 20:48, James Nash wrote: Hi folks, Does anyone use Pages or Nisus Writer Pro on Mac OS X or indeed any other Mac word processor please? If so, what is the acce3ssibility of each with VO? Thanks James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Turning off MacBook screens?
Thanks Chris So turning the screen down to zero brightness will turn off the backlight yes? - Original Message - From: Chris Blouch To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 8:03 PM Subject: Re: Turning off MacBook screens? As has been mentioned, the video card is still driving the LCD display with the backlight off, but the bulk of the energy cost is the backlight, not the LCD. This is why LCD displays such as clocks or thermometers can run for months off a little battery. So while you're not going to hit 0% energy use, it's going to be a lot less than having some backlight on. CB Justin Harford wrote: Yes it turns off the backlighth completely, but the pixels are still showing your desktop, making it discernable if for example you are sitting out in the sun. On Jul 6, 2009, at 7:40 AM, James Nash wrote: No I don't think you are Scott. However, I did read someone that turning down the screen brightness to zero actually turns off the backlight on the screen - effectively turning it off. I just wondered if this was possible as I have no need for a screen bu from waht I remember turning down the screen brightness increased batery life dramatically. Thanks James - Original Message - From: Scott Howell To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 2:04 PM Subject: Re: Turning off MacBook screens? James, why is that a shame? Surely you recognize that turning off the screen would generally not make a lot of sense. These aren't machines designed exclusively for the blind, so turning off the screen would only benefit those of us who would not typically use the screen. It just isn't one of those features Apple or any other computer manufacturer would really consider. You have the option to turn the screen brightness down to the point where no one could read it and that alone would help conserve battery life. However, to say it is a shame seems a little odd when you consider the larger scope here. I am not sure what purpose this feature would serve even on a lInux machine, but maybe there is something I'm missing here beyond the possible extension of battery life. On Jul 6, 2009, at 8:43 AM, James Nash wrote: Thanks Scott, That is a real shame I think. Take care James - Original Message - From: Scott Howell To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 10:46 AM Subject: Re: Turning off MacBook screens? Screen curtain does not turn the screen off. If you turn the brightness down as far as it will go, that will help save your battery, but I do not believe you can turn the screen off entirely-in other words cut power to it. On Jul 6, 2009, at 5:38 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi, Am I corect in thinking that the Linux commandline options will work under Mac OS X? If so, if I could find out how to write shell scripts or whatever they are called do you think they would work under Mac OS X? Also, do the Screen Brightness and Screen Curtain options actually turn the screen off? Take care james - Original Message - From: Alex Jurgensen To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 5:22 AM Subject: Re: Turning off MacBook screens? Hi, James, Just continue with Screen Brightness and Screen Curtain together. I should write a CLI script for this. Regards, Alex, On 5-Jul-09, at 2:39 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi folks, This might sound like an odd question, but as i cannot see the screen I was wondering if there was a way to turn it off? I know that you can turn the screen brightness right down and use the Screen Curtain which effectively does this which was what I used to do. But I was wondering if there was a solution via the Command Line. In Linux, this can be achieved by something like dpms off. This keeps the screen off until you either use dpms on our restart the pc. I have tried turning off my laptop screen in Windows, and JFW doesn't like it too much. As VO is built directly into the system i assume it doesn't use video intercept but instead gets its access info direct from the Mac OS X kernel? Thanks for any help that you can provide Thank you for taking the time to read this. Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries
Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X
I have used Nisus in the past, and yes it was. There were a few access issues but I hope these will have been fixed. They are a great bunch at Nisus. BTW can Pages be bought seperately from the online store? Take care james - Original Message - From: Alex Jurgensen asquare...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:00 PM Subject: Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X HI, James: Pages and Open Office 3.x are accessible, though neither has tables support yet. I have heard that the other one you mentioned is accessible too. Regards, Alex, On 7-Jul-09, at 12:48 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi folks, Does anyone use Pages or Nisus Writer Pro on Mac OS X or indeed any other Mac word processor please? If so, what is the acce3ssibility of each with VO? Thanks James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X
Hi Simon, Yes I do. i feel sure that if we were to contact them, they would be more than helpful. They are now at version 1.3 for Pro. You can get a downloadable free 15 day demo if you like. Although i use Latex for writing, it is always grat to use a word processor like Nisus. When i get my new Mac I will look at the new Nisus version. Take care James - Original Message - From: Simon Cavendish simon.cavend...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X Dear James, I have been following various posts on this list but to date I haven't heard anything reassuring about Pages or Iworks that would persuade me that I could ditch Ms Office under Windows. However, I know that some people have used Pages and other applications with a degree of success. I've looked at the help files in Pages but I found them so unhelpful that I gave up. I seem to remember that you had some contacts with Nisus Pro. ARe you still able to talk to them about accessbility of their application? If they took our need on board, I feel they would be a great rival to Ms Office on the Mac. I am sorry not to be more helpful. With best and warmest wishes Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 20:48, James Nash wrote: Hi folks, Does anyone use Pages or Nisus Writer Pro on Mac OS X or indeed any other Mac word processor please? If so, what is the acce3ssibility of each with VO? Thanks James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X
Thank you. It certainly does. Can I suggest that you check out Nisus Writer too? Got to: www.nisus.com Thanks james - Original Message - From: Koumanova Rostislava rossy...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:10 PM Subject: Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X hi, i use text edit allways , pages and open office. text edit is not a simple note editor and is very potential, eg. saves tables, links ecc iwork is as great as word ... and it is useful to open doc from moffice and insert formatting such as header or foot nottes. i love it's comment capacity, something which i never used with jaws. i don't have i works and i save with open office. it is great for handling different formats such as pdf or word. you can copy some files and paste in open office , it gives you only text. i hope this makes sense for you. rk Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 21:48, James Nash ha scritto: Hi folks, Does anyone use Pages or Nisus Writer Pro on Mac OS X or indeed any other Mac word processor please? If so, what is the acce3ssibility of each with VO? Thanks James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Hmm, I just went over the snow leopard description and it is true that it makes no mention of other synthesizers, though it does mention that the quick-start tutorial is localized in a number of languages. Nevertheless, I hardly think supposing that it will have other language synthesizers is a terribly outrageous postulation. I mean just look at the technology we have in the iPhone. It is now possible to go through the languages menu, and hear a number of languages including french, portuguese both brazilian and portugal, Spanish, Chinese, italian etc all spoken. We know that the iPod shuffle also has the ability to pronounce the names of songs in other languages. Yes I feel safe, without having tried it for myself, in asserting that the next version of Mac OS X will not only have language localization, but the synthesizers to hear that language spoken. Granted it won't be as nice as Alex. It certainly would be crazy to think that Alex is going to be speaking anything more than English. The synthesizers will be like those on the iPhone. Regards Justin Harford On Jul 7, 2009, at 11:24 AM, James Nash wrote: If that does happen, that's fantastic news. Accapella are fantastic voices but it would be cool to have French and other European and Slavic languages etc included by default. - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 7:15 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know what will be included in my view On 7 Jul 2009, at 19:11, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, Red flag, We are moving into grey ares. Please keep the posts NDA compliant. Thanks, Alex, On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: It will. On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself will ship with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. or whether we are still locked down to using acapella On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: i did not understand this post. i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. rk Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha scritto: it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen languages with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in your own languages but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined foreign voices On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my posts, and I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille support. I wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching on my part! With best wishes, Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James Nash wrote: I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they have always acknowledged my messages and have offered support where they can. I still like and would continue to use Windows for things but I do miss Mac. That's why I'm going to purchase a new one. - Original Message - From: Simon Cavendish simon.cavend...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:34 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard I have been e-mailing Apple accessibility regarding providing a broader support in refreshable Braille for other languages. I do hope Snow Leopard is going to bring this aspect to those of us who would benefit from it. It would certainly accelerate my leaving Windows behind altogether. With best wishes Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:50, James Nash wrote: Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different features. Yes, I think I remember reading that something - it may have been Voice Over - was localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not sure about Braille support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY or ask Apple to do so we may get native foreign language Braille support. I think Apple is Linux based, so this should not be too difficult. Take care James - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard is there a complete list of new features? i.e. .do we get new language voices i wonder . new braille support in other alnguages? etc i guess we will not know these details really until the product is out On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James Nash wrote: Hi, It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? Fortunately, I have a copy of 10.5 which I bought last year so if so then there shouldn't be any problem. Take care James - Original Message - From: Scott Howell s.how...@verizon.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 AM
Re: Firefox and Flash
Yes, for some reason Safari doesn't appear to have a plugin architecture or at least I've not run across any plugins for it. I guess plugins lean toward one side of the capability complexity trade off. You can add lots of neat new stuff but you might blow up your browser. Probably for 99% of the surfers out there they don't really care about plugins but web developers live by them. Especially ones like Firebug or the accessibility toolbar. If all I want to do is 'use' the web then Safari should be the fastest way to do that. Maybe because they don't support plugins their code could be cleaner? CB James Nash wrote: Hi Chris, The only downside to using Safari is that it seems that you cannot install Firefox plugins due to the open source nature of FF. However, perhaps this has changed in the past year. - Original Message - *From:* Chris Blouch mailto:cblo...@aol.com *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2009 8:22 PM *Subject:* Re: Firefox and Flash Firefox 3.5 came out last week but I was disappointed to find accessibility has not improved. That is, other than the window title and menus (stuff generated by the OS) it was entirely inaccessible. I was hoping there would at least be the first glimmers of VO support. That said, Safari still trounces FF (and all other popular browsers) in Javascript performance. CB James Nash wrote: Not from waht i've read and heard. Shame but hopefully it will be by the end of this year. - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 5:54 PM Subject: Re: Firefox and Flash but the browser itself is not yet accessible to us, right? On 7 Jul 2009, at 17:27, James Nash wrote: I believe that the one for Firefox makes the Flash content into a buton which can be pressed. Not sure about the Safari one though. - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 5:13 PM Subject: Re: Firefox and Flash yeah but is there one which enables access to it? smile On 7 Jul 2009, at 14:50, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, There is a plugin for Safari that disables Flash. Regards, Alex, On 7-Jul-09, at 1:35 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi Will, Once Fire Fox becomes accessible with VO you'll find that there is a plugin which helps blind users cope with the increasing prevelance of Flash on the web. Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Turning off MacBook screens?
Right. The lighting won't be dimmed, it will actually be off. The LCD panel will merrily map its bits and flip its pixels but with no light coming through the display may as well be blank. CB James Nash wrote: Thanks Chris So turning the screen down to zero brightness will turn off the backlight yes? - Original Message - *From:* Chris Blouch mailto:cblo...@aol.com *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2009 8:03 PM *Subject:* Re: Turning off MacBook screens? As has been mentioned, the video card is still driving the LCD display with the backlight off, but the bulk of the energy cost is the backlight, not the LCD. This is why LCD displays such as clocks or thermometers can run for months off a little battery. So while you're not going to hit 0% energy use, it's going to be a lot less than having some backlight on. CB Justin Harford wrote: Yes it turns off the backlighth completely, but the pixels are still showing your desktop, making it discernable if for example you are sitting out in the sun. On Jul 6, 2009, at 7:40 AM, James Nash wrote: No I don't think you are Scott. However, I did read someone that turning down the screen brightness to zero actually turns off the backlight on the screen - effectively turning it off. I just wondered if this was possible as I have no need for a screen bu from waht I remember turning down the screen brightness increased batery life dramatically. Thanks James - Original Message - *From:* Scott Howell mailto:s.how...@verizon.net *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Monday, July 06, 2009 2:04 PM *Subject:* Re: Turning off MacBook screens? James, why is that a shame? Surely you recognize that turning off the screen would generally not make a lot of sense. These aren't machines designed exclusively for the blind, so turning off the screen would only benefit those of us who would not typically use the screen. It just isn't one of those features Apple or any other computer manufacturer would really consider. You have the option to turn the screen brightness down to the point where no one could read it and that alone would help conserve battery life. However, to say it is a shame seems a little odd when you consider the larger scope here. I am not sure what purpose this feature would serve even on a lInux machine, but maybe there is something I'm missing here beyond the possible extension of battery life. On Jul 6, 2009, at 8:43 AM, James Nash wrote: Thanks Scott, That is a real shame I think. Take care James - Original Message - *From:* Scott Howell mailto:s.how...@verizon.net *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Monday, July 06, 2009 10:46 AM *Subject:* Re: Turning off MacBook screens? Screen curtain does not turn the screen off. If you turn the brightness down as far as it will go, that will help save your battery, but I do not believe you can turn the screen off entirely-in other words cut power to it. On Jul 6, 2009, at 5:38 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi, Am I corect in thinking that the Linux commandline options will work under Mac OS X? If so, if I could find out how to write shell scripts or whatever they are called do you think they would work under Mac OS X? Also, do the Screen Brightness and Screen Curtain options actually turn the screen off? Take care james - Original Message - *From:* Alex Jurgensen mailto:asquare...@gmail.com *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Monday, July 06, 2009 5:22 AM *Subject:* Re: Turning off MacBook screens? Hi, James, Just continue with Screen Brightness and Screen Curtain together. I should write a CLI script for this. Regards, Alex, On 5-Jul-09, at 2:39 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi folks, This might sound like an odd question, but as i cannot see the screen I was
Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X
If you use LaTeX you are doing quite well. LaTeX is far nicer under Mac OS X than Windows. Justin On Jul 7, 2009, at 1:36 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi Simon, Yes I do. i feel sure that if we were to contact them, they would be more than helpful. They are now at version 1.3 for Pro. You can get a downloadable free 15 day demo if you like. Although i use Latex for writing, it is always grat to use a word processor like Nisus. When i get my new Mac I will look at the new Nisus version. Take care James - Original Message - From: Simon Cavendish simon.cavend...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X Dear James, I have been following various posts on this list but to date I haven't heard anything reassuring about Pages or Iworks that would persuade me that I could ditch Ms Office under Windows. However, I know that some people have used Pages and other applications with a degree of success. I've looked at the help files in Pages but I found them so unhelpful that I gave up. I seem to remember that you had some contacts with Nisus Pro. ARe you still able to talk to them about accessbility of their application? If they took our need on board, I feel they would be a great rival to Ms Office on the Mac. I am sorry not to be more helpful. With best and warmest wishes Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 20:48, James Nash wrote: Hi folks, Does anyone use Pages or Nisus Writer Pro on Mac OS X or indeed any other Mac word processor please? If so, what is the acce3ssibility of each with VO? Thanks James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X
hi, i use bold, underline in text edit. for eg. i write my document and then i spell check and format by selecting and performing bold , underline ecc. i handle a lot of tables using open office. it does not read heading of the colum or row and i have a little tip for this. if i have to fill the table i copy and paste the deading in the entire colom , then i overwrite it. when i comlete the table i paste it in text edit or document of open office. for bullets one can use iwork or open office. i know it is not perfect but there is alway a way to do the things. rk Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 22:28, Simon Cavendish ha scritto: Dear Rostislava, The major problems I have encountered trying to use Nisus Writer Pro is a lack of certainty in formatting. I would not know for instance when I was inserting bullets or other features. When toggling attributes like bold or udnerline, i do not know whether i toggle them on or off. It's difficult remember every time to do it. And of course, there is a problem with tables. I don't know when I am in the table and which row or column I am in. If you have had more success, and if you are, lie me, a completely, blind person, I would be interested in your experiences. I also have documents for which I would have to create headers or footers. AGain, it is an uncertainty of whre I am: main body text or header or footer, and having feedback about formatting. With best wishes Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 21:14, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: hi, what are your needs? since i swich to mac i never needed to turn back. open office is very similar to ms office at least it has everything in the menu format. rk Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 22:03, Simon Cavendish ha scritto: Dear James, I have been following various posts on this list but to date I haven't heard anything reassuring about Pages or Iworks that would persuade me that I could ditch Ms Office under Windows. However, I know that some people have used Pages and other applications with a degree of success. I've looked at the help files in Pages but I found them so unhelpful that I gave up. I seem to remember that you had some contacts with Nisus Pro. ARe you still able to talk to them about accessbility of their application? If they took our need on board, I feel they would be a great rival to Ms Office on the Mac. I am sorry not to be more helpful. With best and warmest wishes Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 20:48, James Nash wrote: Hi folks, Does anyone use Pages or Nisus Writer Pro on Mac OS X or indeed any other Mac word processor please? If so, what is the acce3ssibility of each with VO? Thanks James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Clsoing Mas
Hi everyone, If i leave my Mac on and I close the lid, will it overheat.? Thanks James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Clsoing Mas
no just go into sleep On 7 Jul 2009, at 22:03, James Nash wrote: Hi everyone, If i leave my Mac on and I close the lid, will it overheat.? Thanks James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Firefox and Flash
Hi, They do have plugins. Regards, Alex, On 7-Jul-09, at 1:43 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: Yes, for some reason Safari doesn't appear to have a plugin architecture or at least I've not run across any plugins for it. I guess plugins lean toward one side of the capability complexity trade off. You can add lots of neat new stuff but you might blow up your browser. Probably for 99% of the surfers out there they don't really care about plugins but web developers live by them. Especially ones like Firebug or the accessibility toolbar. If all I want to do is 'use' the web then Safari should be the fastest way to do that. Maybe because they don't support plugins their code could be cleaner? CB James Nash wrote: Hi Chris, The only downside to using Safari is that it seems that you cannot install Firefox plugins due to the open source nature of FF. However, perhaps this has changed in the past year. - Original Message - From: Chris Blouch To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 8:22 PM Subject: Re: Firefox and Flash Firefox 3.5 came out last week but I was disappointed to find accessibility has not improved. That is, other than the window title and menus (stuff generated by the OS) it was entirely inaccessible. I was hoping there would at least be the first glimmers of VO support. That said, Safari still trounces FF (and all other popular browsers) in Javascript performance. CB James Nash wrote: Not from waht i've read and heard. Shame but hopefully it will be by the end of this year. - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 5:54 PM Subject: Re: Firefox and Flash but the browser itself is not yet accessible to us, right? On 7 Jul 2009, at 17:27, James Nash wrote: I believe that the one for Firefox makes the Flash content into a buton which can be pressed. Not sure about the Safari one though. - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 5:13 PM Subject: Re: Firefox and Flash yeah but is there one which enables access to it? smile On 7 Jul 2009, at 14:50, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, There is a plugin for Safari that disables Flash. Regards, Alex, On 7-Jul-09, at 1:35 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi Will, Once Fire Fox becomes accessible with VO you'll find that there is a plugin which helps blind users cope with the increasing prevelance of Flash on the web. Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Firefox and Flash
Perhaps, I am not a programer so perhaps someone else on this lsit is better placed to answer that particular. However, Firefox is open source and although I really like the idea of open source software and use it on all three operating systems; Linux, Mac and Windows,perhaps their code is even cleaner because they can have millions of people looking at that code and cleaning it up and/or modifying it to improve it. Perhaps Apple might allow some developers to make plugins or even open up their architecture to Mozilla's plugins - just their plugins. 'But this might also destablize Mac who knows. Take care james - Original Message - From: Chris Blouch To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:43 PM Subject: Re: Firefox and Flash Yes, for some reason Safari doesn't appear to have a plugin architecture or at least I've not run across any plugins for it. I guess plugins lean toward one side of the capability complexity trade off. You can add lots of neat new stuff but you might blow up your browser. Probably for 99% of the surfers out there they don't really care about plugins but web developers live by them. Especially ones like Firebug or the accessibility toolbar. If all I want to do is 'use' the web then Safari should be the fastest way to do that. Maybe because they don't support plugins their code could be cleaner? CB James Nash wrote: Hi Chris, The only downside to using Safari is that it seems that you cannot install Firefox plugins due to the open source nature of FF. However, perhaps this has changed in the past year. - Original Message - From: Chris Blouch To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 8:22 PM Subject: Re: Firefox and Flash Firefox 3.5 came out last week but I was disappointed to find accessibility has not improved. That is, other than the window title and menus (stuff generated by the OS) it was entirely inaccessible. I was hoping there would at least be the first glimmers of VO support. That said, Safari still trounces FF (and all other popular browsers) in Javascript performance. CB James Nash wrote: Not from waht i've read and heard. Shame but hopefully it will be by the end of this year. - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 5:54 PM Subject: Re: Firefox and Flash but the browser itself is not yet accessible to us, right? On 7 Jul 2009, at 17:27, James Nash wrote: I believe that the one for Firefox makes the Flash content into a buton which can be pressed. Not sure about the Safari one though. - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 5:13 PM Subject: Re: Firefox and Flash yeah but is there one which enables access to it? smile On 7 Jul 2009, at 14:50, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, There is a plugin for Safari that disables Flash. Regards, Alex, On 7-Jul-09, at 1:35 AM, James Nash wrote: Hi Will, Once Fire Fox becomes accessible with VO you'll find that there is a plugin which helps blind users cope with the increasing prevelance of Flash on the web. Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X
Dear James, I will look at their demo. I've just e-mailed them myself. Please keep me posted on your discoveries. With best and wishes Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 21:36, James Nash wrote: Hi Simon, Yes I do. i feel sure that if we were to contact them, they would be more than helpful. They are now at version 1.3 for Pro. You can get a downloadable free 15 day demo if you like. Although i use Latex for writing, it is always grat to use a word processor like Nisus. When i get my new Mac I will look at the new Nisus version. Take care James - Original Message - From: Simon Cavendish simon.cavend...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X Dear James, I have been following various posts on this list but to date I haven't heard anything reassuring about Pages or Iworks that would persuade me that I could ditch Ms Office under Windows. However, I know that some people have used Pages and other applications with a degree of success. I've looked at the help files in Pages but I found them so unhelpful that I gave up. I seem to remember that you had some contacts with Nisus Pro. ARe you still able to talk to them about accessbility of their application? If they took our need on board, I feel they would be a great rival to Ms Office on the Mac. I am sorry not to be more helpful. With best and warmest wishes Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 20:48, James Nash wrote: Hi folks, Does anyone use Pages or Nisus Writer Pro on Mac OS X or indeed any other Mac word processor please? If so, what is the acce3ssibility of each with VO? Thanks James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Hi Justin, Is there anywhere that I can hear a sample of these synthesizers please? Take care James - Original Message - From: Justin Harford blindst...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:42 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard Hmm, I just went over the snow leopard description and it is true that it makes no mention of other synthesizers, though it does mention that the quick-start tutorial is localized in a number of languages. Nevertheless, I hardly think supposing that it will have other language synthesizers is a terribly outrageous postulation. I mean just look at the technology we have in the iPhone. It is now possible to go through the languages menu, and hear a number of languages including french, portuguese both brazilian and portugal, Spanish, Chinese, italian etc all spoken. We know that the iPod shuffle also has the ability to pronounce the names of songs in other languages. Yes I feel safe, without having tried it for myself, in asserting that the next version of Mac OS X will not only have language localization, but the synthesizers to hear that language spoken. Granted it won't be as nice as Alex. It certainly would be crazy to think that Alex is going to be speaking anything more than English. The synthesizers will be like those on the iPhone. Regards Justin Harford On Jul 7, 2009, at 11:24 AM, James Nash wrote: If that does happen, that's fantastic news. Accapella are fantastic voices but it would be cool to have French and other European and Slavic languages etc included by default. - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 7:15 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know what will be included in my view On 7 Jul 2009, at 19:11, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, Red flag, We are moving into grey ares. Please keep the posts NDA compliant. Thanks, Alex, On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: It will. On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself will ship with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. or whether we are still locked down to using acapella On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: i did not understand this post. i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. rk Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha scritto: it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen languages with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in your own languages but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined foreign voices On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my posts, and I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille support. I wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching on my part! With best wishes, Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James Nash wrote: I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they have always acknowledged my messages and have offered support where they can. I still like and would continue to use Windows for things but I do miss Mac. That's why I'm going to purchase a new one. - Original Message - From: Simon Cavendish simon.cavend...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:34 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard I have been e-mailing Apple accessibility regarding providing a broader support in refreshable Braille for other languages. I do hope Snow Leopard is going to bring this aspect to those of us who would benefit from it. It would certainly accelerate my leaving Windows behind altogether. With best wishes Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:50, James Nash wrote: Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different features. Yes, I think I remember reading that something - it may have been Voice Over - was localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not sure about Braille support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY or ask Apple to do so we may get native foreign language Braille support. I think Apple is Linux based, so this should not be too difficult. Take care James - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard is there a complete list of new features? i.e. .do we get new language voices i wonder . new braille support in other alnguages? etc i guess we will not know these details really until the product is out On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:29, James Nash wrote: Hi, It sounds like Snow Leopard is an upgrade. Is this the case? Fortunately, I have a
Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X
Hi Simon, Like you i am blin as you know, and this is why although I like Nisus, I use Latex, but that is a steep learning curve. However, if you are interested in it or would like to know more, please E Mail me off list. Take care James - Original Message - From: Simon Cavendish simon.cavend...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:28 PM Subject: Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X Dear Rostislava, The major problems I have encountered trying to use Nisus Writer Pro is a lack of certainty in formatting. I would not know for instance when I was inserting bullets or other features. When toggling attributes like bold or udnerline, i do not know whether i toggle them on or off. It's difficult remember every time to do it. And of course, there is a problem with tables. I don't know when I am in the table and which row or column I am in. If you have had more success, and if you are, lie me, a completely, blind person, I would be interested in your experiences. I also have documents for which I would have to create headers or footers. AGain, it is an uncertainty of whre I am: main body text or header or footer, and having feedback about formatting. With best wishes Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 21:14, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: hi, what are your needs? since i swich to mac i never needed to turn back. open office is very similar to ms office at least it has everything in the menu format. rk Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 22:03, Simon Cavendish ha scritto: Dear James, I have been following various posts on this list but to date I haven't heard anything reassuring about Pages or Iworks that would persuade me that I could ditch Ms Office under Windows. However, I know that some people have used Pages and other applications with a degree of success. I've looked at the help files in Pages but I found them so unhelpful that I gave up. I seem to remember that you had some contacts with Nisus Pro. ARe you still able to talk to them about accessbility of their application? If they took our need on board, I feel they would be a great rival to Ms Office on the Mac. I am sorry not to be more helpful. With best and warmest wishes Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 20:48, James Nash wrote: Hi folks, Does anyone use Pages or Nisus Writer Pro on Mac OS X or indeed any other Mac word processor please? If so, what is the acce3ssibility of each with VO? Thanks James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X
I use latex my self, but I haven't found a good way to be compatible with people who write Word docs. On Jul 7, 2009, at 3:48 PM, Justin Harford wrote: If you use LaTeX you are doing quite well. LaTeX is far nicer under Mac OS X than Windows. Justin On Jul 7, 2009, at 1:36 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi Simon, Yes I do. i feel sure that if we were to contact them, they would be more than helpful. They are now at version 1.3 for Pro. You can get a downloadable free 15 day demo if you like. Although i use Latex for writing, it is always grat to use a word processor like Nisus. When i get my new Mac I will look at the new Nisus version. Take care James - Original Message - From: Simon Cavendish simon.cavend...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X Dear James, I have been following various posts on this list but to date I haven't heard anything reassuring about Pages or Iworks that would persuade me that I could ditch Ms Office under Windows. However, I know that some people have used Pages and other applications with a degree of success. I've looked at the help files in Pages but I found them so unhelpful that I gave up. I seem to remember that you had some contacts with Nisus Pro. ARe you still able to talk to them about accessbility of their application? If they took our need on board, I feel they would be a great rival to Ms Office on the Mac. I am sorry not to be more helpful. With best and warmest wishes Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 20:48, James Nash wrote: Hi folks, Does anyone use Pages or Nisus Writer Pro on Mac OS X or indeed any other Mac word processor please? If so, what is the acce3ssibility of each with VO? Thanks James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X
I have used Latex for about two years and yes i agree it is. Just as an aside under Mc OS X do I need to use TEXShop as it is from what I remember a 700MB program with all the packages etc. Could I not just use the command line as I do under Windows once I've installed TEX Live or something? Thanks James - Original Message - From: Justin Harford blindst...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:48 PM Subject: Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X If you use LaTeX you are doing quite well. LaTeX is far nicer under Mac OS X than Windows. Justin On Jul 7, 2009, at 1:36 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi Simon, Yes I do. i feel sure that if we were to contact them, they would be more than helpful. They are now at version 1.3 for Pro. You can get a downloadable free 15 day demo if you like. Although i use Latex for writing, it is always grat to use a word processor like Nisus. When i get my new Mac I will look at the new Nisus version. Take care James - Original Message - From: Simon Cavendish simon.cavend...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X Dear James, I have been following various posts on this list but to date I haven't heard anything reassuring about Pages or Iworks that would persuade me that I could ditch Ms Office under Windows. However, I know that some people have used Pages and other applications with a degree of success. I've looked at the help files in Pages but I found them so unhelpful that I gave up. I seem to remember that you had some contacts with Nisus Pro. ARe you still able to talk to them about accessbility of their application? If they took our need on board, I feel they would be a great rival to Ms Office on the Mac. I am sorry not to be more helpful. With best and warmest wishes Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 20:48, James Nash wrote: Hi folks, Does anyone use Pages or Nisus Writer Pro on Mac OS X or indeed any other Mac word processor please? If so, what is the acce3ssibility of each with VO? Thanks James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
we don't even know if they are to be included. if and i mean if they were, they will be i assume the ones that are on the ipod shuffle and the i phone On 7 Jul 2009, at 22:09, James Nash wrote: Hi Justin, Is there anywhere that I can hear a sample of these synthesizers please? Take care James - Original Message - From: Justin Harford blindst...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:42 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard Hmm, I just went over the snow leopard description and it is true that it makes no mention of other synthesizers, though it does mention that the quick-start tutorial is localized in a number of languages. Nevertheless, I hardly think supposing that it will have other language synthesizers is a terribly outrageous postulation. I mean just look at the technology we have in the iPhone. It is now possible to go through the languages menu, and hear a number of languages including french, portuguese both brazilian and portugal, Spanish, Chinese, italian etc all spoken. We know that the iPod shuffle also has the ability to pronounce the names of songs in other languages. Yes I feel safe, without having tried it for myself, in asserting that the next version of Mac OS X will not only have language localization, but the synthesizers to hear that language spoken. Granted it won't be as nice as Alex. It certainly would be crazy to think that Alex is going to be speaking anything more than English. The synthesizers will be like those on the iPhone. Regards Justin Harford On Jul 7, 2009, at 11:24 AM, James Nash wrote: If that does happen, that's fantastic news. Accapella are fantastic voices but it would be cool to have French and other European and Slavic languages etc included by default. - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 7:15 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know what will be included in my view On 7 Jul 2009, at 19:11, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, Red flag, We are moving into grey ares. Please keep the posts NDA compliant. Thanks, Alex, On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: It will. On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself will ship with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. or whether we are still locked down to using acapella On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: i did not understand this post. i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. rk Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha scritto: it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen languages with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in your own languages but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined foreign voices On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my posts, and I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille support. I wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching on my part! With best wishes, Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James Nash wrote: I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they have always acknowledged my messages and have offered support where they can. I still like and would continue to use Windows for things but I do miss Mac. That's why I'm going to purchase a new one. - Original Message - From: Simon Cavendish simon.cavend...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:34 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard I have been e-mailing Apple accessibility regarding providing a broader support in refreshable Braille for other languages. I do hope Snow Leopard is going to bring this aspect to those of us who would benefit from it. It would certainly accelerate my leaving Windows behind altogether. With best wishes Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:50, James Nash wrote: Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different features. Yes, I think I remember reading that something - it may have been Voice Over - was localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not sure about Braille support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY or ask Apple to do so we may get native foreign language Braille support. I think Apple is Linux based, so this should not be too difficult. Take care James - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard is there a complete list of new features? i.e. .do we get new language voices i wonder . new
Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X
Perhaps we should take this of list although it is VO related as it works with VO. There are some conversion tools. If you do a Google search you should find them. Take care James - Original Message - From: Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:14 PM Subject: Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X I use latex my self, but I haven't found a good way to be compatible with people who write Word docs. On Jul 7, 2009, at 3:48 PM, Justin Harford wrote: If you use LaTeX you are doing quite well. LaTeX is far nicer under Mac OS X than Windows. Justin On Jul 7, 2009, at 1:36 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi Simon, Yes I do. i feel sure that if we were to contact them, they would be more than helpful. They are now at version 1.3 for Pro. You can get a downloadable free 15 day demo if you like. Although i use Latex for writing, it is always grat to use a word processor like Nisus. When i get my new Mac I will look at the new Nisus version. Take care James - Original Message - From: Simon Cavendish simon.cavend...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X Dear James, I have been following various posts on this list but to date I haven't heard anything reassuring about Pages or Iworks that would persuade me that I could ditch Ms Office under Windows. However, I know that some people have used Pages and other applications with a degree of success. I've looked at the help files in Pages but I found them so unhelpful that I gave up. I seem to remember that you had some contacts with Nisus Pro. ARe you still able to talk to them about accessbility of their application? If they took our need on board, I feel they would be a great rival to Ms Office on the Mac. I am sorry not to be more helpful. With best and warmest wishes Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 20:48, James Nash wrote: Hi folks, Does anyone use Pages or Nisus Writer Pro on Mac OS X or indeed any other Mac word processor please? If so, what is the acce3ssibility of each with VO? Thanks James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
We will just have to wait and see, but if they are not, at least we can get the Accapella voices. Although I wonder if we will be able to switch between voices in a single user session. Will we need to create two separate accounts? One for French and one for English? James - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:15 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard we don't even know if they are to be included. if and i mean if they were, they will be i assume the ones that are on the ipod shuffle and the i phone On 7 Jul 2009, at 22:09, James Nash wrote: Hi Justin, Is there anywhere that I can hear a sample of these synthesizers please? Take care James - Original Message - From: Justin Harford blindst...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:42 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard Hmm, I just went over the snow leopard description and it is true that it makes no mention of other synthesizers, though it does mention that the quick-start tutorial is localized in a number of languages. Nevertheless, I hardly think supposing that it will have other language synthesizers is a terribly outrageous postulation. I mean just look at the technology we have in the iPhone. It is now possible to go through the languages menu, and hear a number of languages including french, portuguese both brazilian and portugal, Spanish, Chinese, italian etc all spoken. We know that the iPod shuffle also has the ability to pronounce the names of songs in other languages. Yes I feel safe, without having tried it for myself, in asserting that the next version of Mac OS X will not only have language localization, but the synthesizers to hear that language spoken. Granted it won't be as nice as Alex. It certainly would be crazy to think that Alex is going to be speaking anything more than English. The synthesizers will be like those on the iPhone. Regards Justin Harford On Jul 7, 2009, at 11:24 AM, James Nash wrote: If that does happen, that's fantastic news. Accapella are fantastic voices but it would be cool to have French and other European and Slavic languages etc included by default. - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 7:15 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know what will be included in my view On 7 Jul 2009, at 19:11, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, Red flag, We are moving into grey ares. Please keep the posts NDA compliant. Thanks, Alex, On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: It will. On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself will ship with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. or whether we are still locked down to using acapella On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: i did not understand this post. i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. rk Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha scritto: it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen languages with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in your own languages but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined foreign voices On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my posts, and I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille support. I wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching on my part! With best wishes, Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James Nash wrote: I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they have always acknowledged my messages and have offered support where they can. I still like and would continue to use Windows for things but I do miss Mac. That's why I'm going to purchase a new one. - Original Message - From: Simon Cavendish simon.cavend...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:34 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard I have been e-mailing Apple accessibility regarding providing a broader support in refreshable Braille for other languages. I do hope Snow Leopard is going to bring this aspect to those of us who would benefit from it. It would certainly accelerate my leaving Windows behind altogether. With best wishes Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:50, James Nash wrote: Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different features. Yes, I think I remember reading that something - it may have been Voice Over - was localized in about 40 different languages. But I'm not sure about Braille support. However, if you can some way implement BRLTTY or ask Apple to do
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
all will be revealed i am sure in september :) On 7 Jul 2009, at 22:17, James Nash wrote: We will just have to wait and see, but if they are not, at least we can get the Accapella voices. Although I wonder if we will be able to switch between voices in a single user session. Will we need to create two separate accounts? One for French and one for English? James - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:15 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard we don't even know if they are to be included. if and i mean if they were, they will be i assume the ones that are on the ipod shuffle and the i phone On 7 Jul 2009, at 22:09, James Nash wrote: Hi Justin, Is there anywhere that I can hear a sample of these synthesizers please? Take care James - Original Message - From: Justin Harford blindst...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:42 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard Hmm, I just went over the snow leopard description and it is true that it makes no mention of other synthesizers, though it does mention that the quick-start tutorial is localized in a number of languages. Nevertheless, I hardly think supposing that it will have other language synthesizers is a terribly outrageous postulation. I mean just look at the technology we have in the iPhone. It is now possible to go through the languages menu, and hear a number of languages including french, portuguese both brazilian and portugal, Spanish, Chinese, italian etc all spoken. We know that the iPod shuffle also has the ability to pronounce the names of songs in other languages. Yes I feel safe, without having tried it for myself, in asserting that the next version of Mac OS X will not only have language localization, but the synthesizers to hear that language spoken. Granted it won't be as nice as Alex. It certainly would be crazy to think that Alex is going to be speaking anything more than English. The synthesizers will be like those on the iPhone. Regards Justin Harford On Jul 7, 2009, at 11:24 AM, James Nash wrote: If that does happen, that's fantastic news. Accapella are fantastic voices but it would be cool to have French and other European and Slavic languages etc included by default. - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 7:15 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard fair enough though we are all blind and have a right to know what will be included in my view On 7 Jul 2009, at 19:11, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, Red flag, We are moving into grey ares. Please keep the posts NDA compliant. Thanks, Alex, On 7-Jul-09, at 10:46 AM, Justin Harford wrote: It will. On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:13 AM, william lomas wrote: what I meant to say was I am not sure if voice over itself will ship with voices in italian, greek, arabic, russian polish, etc. or whether we are still locked down to using acapella On 7 Jul 2009, at 18:07, Koumanova Rostislava wrote: i did not understand this post. i know that you have to buy the foreign languages. rk Il giorno 07/lug/09, alle ore 18:06, william lomas ha scritto: it says on the site the quickstart is localised in eighteen languages with nine new ones and with the voices you can hear it in your own languages but i hope that the eighteen or so work with pre-defined foreign voices On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:51, Simon Cavendish wrote: O yes, I entirely agree. They have always acknowledged my posts, and I'm sure they are trying to do their best in Braille support. I wouldn't be without my Mac now. No regrets switching on my part! With best wishes, Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 16:44, James Nash wrote: I hear what you're saying Simon. To Apple's credit, they have always acknowledged my messages and have offered support where they can. I still like and would continue to use Windows for things but I do miss Mac. That's why I'm going to purchase a new one. - Original Message - From: Simon Cavendish simon.cavend...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:34 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard I have been e-mailing Apple accessibility regarding providing a broader support in refreshable Braille for other languages. I do hope Snow Leopard is going to bring this aspect to those of us who would benefit from it. It would certainly accelerate my leaving Windows behind altogether. With best wishes Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:50, James Nash wrote: Well on the Snow Leopard page there is a host of different features. Yes, I think I remember reading that something - it may have been Voice Over - was localized in about
Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X
You don't have to use TEXShop. You can just run the tools from the command line. I should also mention that I have noticed some ligatures not showing up correctly in pdf files generated with pdflatex or dvipdf. lowercase fi is one that comes to mind. I haven't a clue as to why this is so if anybody knows I would appreciate the info. On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:13 PM, James Nash wrote: I have used Latex for about two years and yes i agree it is. Just as an aside under Mc OS X do I need to use TEXShop as it is from what I remember a 700MB program with all the packages etc. Could I not just use the command line as I do under Windows once I've installed TEX Live or something? Thanks James - Original Message - From: Justin Harford blindst...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:48 PM Subject: Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X If you use LaTeX you are doing quite well. LaTeX is far nicer under Mac OS X than Windows. Justin On Jul 7, 2009, at 1:36 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi Simon, Yes I do. i feel sure that if we were to contact them, they would be more than helpful. They are now at version 1.3 for Pro. You can get a downloadable free 15 day demo if you like. Although i use Latex for writing, it is always grat to use a word processor like Nisus. When i get my new Mac I will look at the new Nisus version. Take care James - Original Message - From: Simon Cavendish simon.cavend...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X Dear James, I have been following various posts on this list but to date I haven't heard anything reassuring about Pages or Iworks that would persuade me that I could ditch Ms Office under Windows. However, I know that some people have used Pages and other applications with a degree of success. I've looked at the help files in Pages but I found them so unhelpful that I gave up. I seem to remember that you had some contacts with Nisus Pro. ARe you still able to talk to them about accessbility of their application? If they took our need on board, I feel they would be a great rival to Ms Office on the Mac. I am sorry not to be more helpful. With best and warmest wishes Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 20:48, James Nash wrote: Hi folks, Does anyone use Pages or Nisus Writer Pro on Mac OS X or indeed any other Mac word processor please? If so, what is the acce3ssibility of each with VO? Thanks James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X
Well I don't think that this is just a Voiceover list and you are the one who started the Word Processing on Mac OS10 discussion. Which I think is a valid topic incidentally. I know about other conversion utilities. I met that I haven't found one that worked well yet. Hense the need for a Word Processor. On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:16 PM, James Nash wrote: Perhaps we should take this of list although it is VO related as it works with VO. There are some conversion tools. If you do a Google search you should find them. Take care James - Original Message - From: Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:14 PM Subject: Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X I use latex my self, but I haven't found a good way to be compatible with people who write Word docs. On Jul 7, 2009, at 3:48 PM, Justin Harford wrote: If you use LaTeX you are doing quite well. LaTeX is far nicer under Mac OS X than Windows. Justin On Jul 7, 2009, at 1:36 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi Simon, Yes I do. i feel sure that if we were to contact them, they would be more than helpful. They are now at version 1.3 for Pro. You can get a downloadable free 15 day demo if you like. Although i use Latex for writing, it is always grat to use a word processor like Nisus. When i get my new Mac I will look at the new Nisus version. Take care James - Original Message - From: Simon Cavendish simon.cavend...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X Dear James, I have been following various posts on this list but to date I haven't heard anything reassuring about Pages or Iworks that would persuade me that I could ditch Ms Office under Windows. However, I know that some people have used Pages and other applications with a degree of success. I've looked at the help files in Pages but I found them so unhelpful that I gave up. I seem to remember that you had some contacts with Nisus Pro. ARe you still able to talk to them about accessbility of their application? If they took our need on board, I feel they would be a great rival to Ms Office on the Mac. I am sorry not to be more helpful. With best and warmest wishes Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 20:48, James Nash wrote: Hi folks, Does anyone use Pages or Nisus Writer Pro on Mac OS X or indeed any other Mac word processor please? If so, what is the acce3ssibility of each with VO? Thanks James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Hi all I just got a look at this thread. It seems that, once again, I am ignorant of how we, as equal citizens with equal legal responsibilities should view ourselves as apple customers. I wonder if someone might please educate me on what is wrong with the proposition that we should have some sort of audio demonstrations of upcoming apple accessibility developments. Please allow me to explain myself. Of course the idea that we are entitled to this information as blind people is completely ridiculous, but I still wonder why no one is bothered that apple don't put out a demo of the technology for us to listen to. Scott you said You are not entitled to know any more than your sighted counterpart. I agree. As it is, our sighted counterparts get to see live demonstrations of the technologies in which they will invest their money. There was a snow-leopard demo at the last WWDC. When Leopard came out, there was also a WWDC demo and more demos on apple's website. When the iPhone 3gs came out, apple offered a demonstration on their website. When the iPod shuffle came out, apple again offered a demo on their website. In all of these cases, perhaps with the exception of the shuffle and maybe the voice control on the iPhone if you count that as accessibility, there was no demonstration of VoiceOver. Of course, the blind as such a small customer base should give apple no occasion to suffer itself to demonstrate VO before an audience of WWDC developers and customers, who couldn't care less, but is putting up a little audio demonstration on their accessibility page really too much to ask? It is true. I'm not entitled to know anything more than my sighted counterpart, and I guess at this point, that is how things are. The sighted don't know how accessibility works under snow-leopard, just as I don't know. I know that snow-leopard offers the capability to watch movies through finder icons, just as the sighted know. The average sighted joe does not care about accessibility improvements, just as I don't care about watching movies through icons. Something just seems wrong here, though I'm having trouble putting my finger on it. I think that apple customers should be shown the things they care about. Some people care about photos on the mac, so they show them. Some people care about listening to music and watching videos, so they show it. Some people want to be productive in a business setting on their macs, so they show productivity. Some people care about the development tools, so they show those. In our case, we care about accessibility, why not show it, not because we are blind people looking for concessions or special treatment, but as consumers spending money on apple products. I have read the descriptions of snow leopard, and am pretty sure that I will buy a copy when it comes out, because the descriptions on apple's website are compelling enough. Even if accessibility improvements prove to be minor or non-existent, the improvements in speed and stability will make it worth the money. So, I don't feel the need to raise a scandal over the fact that I can't legally listen to an audio demonstration of VoiceOver 3.0. No problem. Nevertheless, the fact that people wanting a little taste of future apple accessibility developments, like the demonstrations that their sighted counterparts get, are so brusquely talked down and at times hunted like criminals and reported to the authorities, continues to elude me. This is the view I have of things now. As I stated before, it is becoming increasingly obvious that it is out-of-step with the common consensus, so I wonder if someone might not come forward and tell me why I am wrong. The perspectives and premises we hold in life profoundly govern the way we carry ourselves in the world. I most certainly would not want to continue harboring views which cause my conduct to be excessively abrasive and unpalatable to those around me. That is why, without sarcasm, I'm asking for a change in perspective for me and the others who ignorantly continue in this error. Best regards Justin Harford On Jul 7, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Oh, no, you as a blind person do not have a right to know anything different than anyone else. You are not entitled to know any more than your sighted counterpart. WHen Apple releases the information about Snow Leopard, you can read and make a decision as to whether or not you would want to upgrade, just as anyone else would. Being blind does not extend any special entitlements and any violation of the NDA that was signed is not only breaking a contract between you and Apple or whomever you entered into the agreement with, it also jeopardizes future involvement in other projects. Point is you agreed to a contract and knowing the terms and conditions of that contract, you are legally bound
FaceBook and VoiceOver
Hi there everyone, I am wondering if anyone has had luck using FaceBook and VoiceOver. I use it quite a lot. Only I point Safari to the m.facebook.com site. I can update my status, check my friends' status, read and write notes and wall posts. But there are some things that either do not work on the m.facebook.com site or aren't an obvious option. Example I follow our local Fox station WDAF Fox 4 out of Kansas City. I also fallow Showbiz Tonight and Nancy Grace both of HLN network. When any of these three post a story and get a heap of comments it will show. that tey have x number of comments. Normally you can click on that and read the comments then leave your own. But I'm finding if there are more then like ten when you click the add comment button on the status page, rather than taking you to the list of comments it will take you to a page that just has the person's status, then leave a comment, and a text box and all. If you click on the comments from this page you are taken to a page not found thing. Same if you click on someone's profile that is just fans. However if you use the normal full featured fb page www.facebook.com with a bit of stuborness on the part of VO you can somewhat get through the pages. I seem to have a lot of trouble getting around the normal FB page as VO seems to jump over whole bits of page. Just doesn't see them or something. What I want to know is if any of you use the normal FB site how do you do it? How do you have VO set? I really would like to know because I feel I am missing out on much that FB has to offer. Thaks for taking the time to read and for any help you may have. Best wishes Jenny p.s. if anyone is interested I welcome new friends. my fb profile is www.facebook.com/blueskyes or just search my email addy which is blueskyes9112...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
i agree, even a small five minute demo of what is to come, or what will be implemented would compel the customers to buy. the sighted counterparts get previews, photos etc. we get nothing On 7 Jul 2009, at 22:41, Justin Harford wrote: Hi all I just got a look at this thread. It seems that, once again, I am ignorant of how we, as equal citizens with equal legal responsibilities should view ourselves as apple customers. I wonder if someone might please educate me on what is wrong with the proposition that we should have some sort of audio demonstrations of upcoming apple accessibility developments. Please allow me to explain myself. Of course the idea that we are entitled to this information as blind people is completely ridiculous, but I still wonder why no one is bothered that apple don't put out a demo of the technology for us to listen to. Scott you said You are not entitled to know any more than your sighted counterpart. I agree. As it is, our sighted counterparts get to see live demonstrations of the technologies in which they will invest their money. There was a snow-leopard demo at the last WWDC. When Leopard came out, there was also a WWDC demo and more demos on apple's website. When the iPhone 3gs came out, apple offered a demonstration on their website. When the iPod shuffle came out, apple again offered a demo on their website. In all of these cases, perhaps with the exception of the shuffle and maybe the voice control on the iPhone if you count that as accessibility, there was no demonstration of VoiceOver. Of course, the blind as such a small customer base should give apple no occasion to suffer itself to demonstrate VO before an audience of WWDC developers and customers, who couldn't care less, but is putting up a little audio demonstration on their accessibility page really too much to ask? It is true. I'm not entitled to know anything more than my sighted counterpart, and I guess at this point, that is how things are. The sighted don't know how accessibility works under snow-leopard, just as I don't know. I know that snow-leopard offers the capability to watch movies through finder icons, just as the sighted know. The average sighted joe does not care about accessibility improvements, just as I don't care about watching movies through icons. Something just seems wrong here, though I'm having trouble putting my finger on it. I think that apple customers should be shown the things they care about. Some people care about photos on the mac, so they show them. Some people care about listening to music and watching videos, so they show it. Some people want to be productive in a business setting on their macs, so they show productivity. Some people care about the development tools, so they show those. In our case, we care about accessibility, why not show it, not because we are blind people looking for concessions or special treatment, but as consumers spending money on apple products. I have read the descriptions of snow leopard, and am pretty sure that I will buy a copy when it comes out, because the descriptions on apple's website are compelling enough. Even if accessibility improvements prove to be minor or non-existent, the improvements in speed and stability will make it worth the money. So, I don't feel the need to raise a scandal over the fact that I can't legally listen to an audio demonstration of VoiceOver 3.0. No problem. Nevertheless, the fact that people wanting a little taste of future apple accessibility developments, like the demonstrations that their sighted counterparts get, are so brusquely talked down and at times hunted like criminals and reported to the authorities, continues to elude me. This is the view I have of things now. As I stated before, it is becoming increasingly obvious that it is out-of-step with the common consensus, so I wonder if someone might not come forward and tell me why I am wrong. The perspectives and premises we hold in life profoundly govern the way we carry ourselves in the world. I most certainly would not want to continue harboring views which cause my conduct to be excessively abrasive and unpalatable to those around me. That is why, without sarcasm, I'm asking for a change in perspective for me and the others who ignorantly continue in this error. Best regards Justin Harford On Jul 7, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Oh, no, you as a blind person do not have a right to know anything different than anyone else. You are not entitled to know any more than your sighted counterpart. WHen Apple releases the information about Snow Leopard, you can read and make a decision as to whether or not you would want to upgrade, just as anyone else would. Being blind does not extend any special entitlements and any violation of the NDA that was signed is not only breaking a contract between you and Apple or whomever you
Re: [GW-Booksense] Disappointed
This is disappointing, yet, I have to say I'm not surprised either. As much as the Mac is increasing in popularity, GW Micro is still a Windows vendor. I wonder if they will have the courtesy and good sense to rectify the problem. Take Care John Panarese On Jul 7, 2009, at 5:51 PM, Steven M. Sawczyn wrote: Wow, that is very disappointing. With the gaining popularity of the Mac, you'd think GW Micro would make it at least appear as a generic card reader. Glad there's a work-around, but yeah, definitely disappointing. Steve On Jul 7, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote: Well-- The Mac doesn't seem to recognize the BookSense. This would appear to be an issue with the card reader or something in the BookSense. Fortunately, I have an external card reader, and the Mac recognizes the SD card when I put the card in the reader instead of the BookSense. So, it isn't a card format issue (i.e. it really does use fat32 and not NTFS). While this isn't a show stopper, it is slightly disappointing. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: telnet again
Hi, Are you also receiving unicode? What switch did you run telnet with? You might also look in terminal preferences/encodings and see if the right ones are checked. I really have no idea if that would work but that is what I would do. Of course, you might have already done that. Sorry if you all ready know this, but you can type man telnet and you might find something helpful. On Jul 7, 2009, at 1:45 PM, Jonathan Chacón wrote: Hello again, well, I can send in unicode now. Thanks but now the problem is other In a standar telnet connection I can't see specials character from Spanish language like á é í ó ú ñ how can I see these characters? thanks and regards Jonathan Chacón --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
We did however get a sample of Alex back when Leopard first came out. - Original Message - From: william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:46 PM Subject: Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard i agree, even a small five minute demo of what is to come, or what will be implemented would compel the customers to buy. the sighted counterparts get previews, photos etc. we get nothing On 7 Jul 2009, at 22:41, Justin Harford wrote: Hi all I just got a look at this thread. It seems that, once again, I am ignorant of how we, as equal citizens with equal legal responsibilities should view ourselves as apple customers. I wonder if someone might please educate me on what is wrong with the proposition that we should have some sort of audio demonstrations of upcoming apple accessibility developments. Please allow me to explain myself. Of course the idea that we are entitled to this information as blind people is completely ridiculous, but I still wonder why no one is bothered that apple don't put out a demo of the technology for us to listen to. Scott you said You are not entitled to know any more than your sighted counterpart. I agree. As it is, our sighted counterparts get to see live demonstrations of the technologies in which they will invest their money. There was a snow-leopard demo at the last WWDC. When Leopard came out, there was also a WWDC demo and more demos on apple's website. When the iPhone 3gs came out, apple offered a demonstration on their website. When the iPod shuffle came out, apple again offered a demo on their website. In all of these cases, perhaps with the exception of the shuffle and maybe the voice control on the iPhone if you count that as accessibility, there was no demonstration of VoiceOver. Of course, the blind as such a small customer base should give apple no occasion to suffer itself to demonstrate VO before an audience of WWDC developers and customers, who couldn't care less, but is putting up a little audio demonstration on their accessibility page really too much to ask? It is true. I'm not entitled to know anything more than my sighted counterpart, and I guess at this point, that is how things are. The sighted don't know how accessibility works under snow-leopard, just as I don't know. I know that snow-leopard offers the capability to watch movies through finder icons, just as the sighted know. The average sighted joe does not care about accessibility improvements, just as I don't care about watching movies through icons. Something just seems wrong here, though I'm having trouble putting my finger on it. I think that apple customers should be shown the things they care about. Some people care about photos on the mac, so they show them. Some people care about listening to music and watching videos, so they show it. Some people want to be productive in a business setting on their macs, so they show productivity. Some people care about the development tools, so they show those. In our case, we care about accessibility, why not show it, not because we are blind people looking for concessions or special treatment, but as consumers spending money on apple products. I have read the descriptions of snow leopard, and am pretty sure that I will buy a copy when it comes out, because the descriptions on apple's website are compelling enough. Even if accessibility improvements prove to be minor or non-existent, the improvements in speed and stability will make it worth the money. So, I don't feel the need to raise a scandal over the fact that I can't legally listen to an audio demonstration of VoiceOver 3.0. No problem. Nevertheless, the fact that people wanting a little taste of future apple accessibility developments, like the demonstrations that their sighted counterparts get, are so brusquely talked down and at times hunted like criminals and reported to the authorities, continues to elude me. This is the view I have of things now. As I stated before, it is becoming increasingly obvious that it is out-of-step with the common consensus, so I wonder if someone might not come forward and tell me why I am wrong. The perspectives and premises we hold in life profoundly govern the way we carry ourselves in the world. I most certainly would not want to continue harboring views which cause my conduct to be excessively abrasive and unpalatable to those around me. That is why, without sarcasm, I'm asking for a change in perspective for me and the others who ignorantly continue in this error. Best regards Justin Harford On Jul 7, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Oh, no, you as a blind person do not have a right to know anything different than anyone else. You are not entitled to know any more than your sighted counterpart. WHen Apple releases the information about Snow Leopard, you can read and make a
Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X
Hi Barry, Could you E Mail me offf list and tell me what I have to do? Do I need to install something other than TEXShop or is the Latex already built in to Mac OS X? Also, I E Mailed Apple Accessibility about that problem and someone very kindly explained what ligatures were although i can't remember. I think the work around for this problem is to put braces around the faulty ligatures. Thanks James - Original Message - From: Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:25 PM Subject: Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X You don't have to use TEXShop. You can just run the tools from the command line. I should also mention that I have noticed some ligatures not showing up correctly in pdf files generated with pdflatex or dvipdf. lowercase fi is one that comes to mind. I haven't a clue as to why this is so if anybody knows I would appreciate the info. On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:13 PM, James Nash wrote: I have used Latex for about two years and yes i agree it is. Just as an aside under Mc OS X do I need to use TEXShop as it is from what I remember a 700MB program with all the packages etc. Could I not just use the command line as I do under Windows once I've installed TEX Live or something? Thanks James - Original Message - From: Justin Harford blindst...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:48 PM Subject: Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X If you use LaTeX you are doing quite well. LaTeX is far nicer under Mac OS X than Windows. Justin On Jul 7, 2009, at 1:36 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi Simon, Yes I do. i feel sure that if we were to contact them, they would be more than helpful. They are now at version 1.3 for Pro. You can get a downloadable free 15 day demo if you like. Although i use Latex for writing, it is always grat to use a word processor like Nisus. When i get my new Mac I will look at the new Nisus version. Take care James - Original Message - From: Simon Cavendish simon.cavend...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X Dear James, I have been following various posts on this list but to date I haven't heard anything reassuring about Pages or Iworks that would persuade me that I could ditch Ms Office under Windows. However, I know that some people have used Pages and other applications with a degree of success. I've looked at the help files in Pages but I found them so unhelpful that I gave up. I seem to remember that you had some contacts with Nisus Pro. ARe you still able to talk to them about accessbility of their application? If they took our need on board, I feel they would be a great rival to Ms Office on the Mac. I am sorry not to be more helpful. With best and warmest wishes Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 20:48, James Nash wrote: Hi folks, Does anyone use Pages or Nisus Writer Pro on Mac OS X or indeed any other Mac word processor please? If so, what is the acce3ssibility of each with VO? Thanks James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X
lol yes I was wasn't I. Oh I'm sorry, my mistake I misunderstood your message. Actually, there is a program callled Scrivener which translates into Latex. I don't know if it back translates though and it is 40 USD after the demo runs out. - Original Message - From: Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:38 PM Subject: Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X Well I don't think that this is just a Voiceover list and you are the one who started the Word Processing on Mac OS10 discussion. Which I think is a valid topic incidentally. I know about other conversion utilities. I met that I haven't found one that worked well yet. Hense the need for a Word Processor. On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:16 PM, James Nash wrote: Perhaps we should take this of list although it is VO related as it works with VO. There are some conversion tools. If you do a Google search you should find them. Take care James - Original Message - From: Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:14 PM Subject: Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X I use latex my self, but I haven't found a good way to be compatible with people who write Word docs. On Jul 7, 2009, at 3:48 PM, Justin Harford wrote: If you use LaTeX you are doing quite well. LaTeX is far nicer under Mac OS X than Windows. Justin On Jul 7, 2009, at 1:36 PM, James Nash wrote: Hi Simon, Yes I do. i feel sure that if we were to contact them, they would be more than helpful. They are now at version 1.3 for Pro. You can get a downloadable free 15 day demo if you like. Although i use Latex for writing, it is always grat to use a word processor like Nisus. When i get my new Mac I will look at the new Nisus version. Take care James - Original Message - From: Simon Cavendish simon.cavend...@googlemail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: Re: Word Processing on Mac OS X Dear James, I have been following various posts on this list but to date I haven't heard anything reassuring about Pages or Iworks that would persuade me that I could ditch Ms Office under Windows. However, I know that some people have used Pages and other applications with a degree of success. I've looked at the help files in Pages but I found them so unhelpful that I gave up. I seem to remember that you had some contacts with Nisus Pro. ARe you still able to talk to them about accessbility of their application? If they took our need on board, I feel they would be a great rival to Ms Office on the Mac. I am sorry not to be more helpful. With best and warmest wishes Simon On 7 Jul 2009, at 20:48, James Nash wrote: Hi folks, Does anyone use Pages or Nisus Writer Pro on Mac OS X or indeed any other Mac word processor please? If so, what is the acce3ssibility of each with VO? Thanks James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Low Vision Accessibility in Snow Leopard
I am a low vision user and I was wondering if anyone has heard if there will be an upgrade to the full screen magnifier. I know in windows when you are using a program like Zoomtext that the resolution on the magnifier is much better. It has crisper sharper text. I would like to see this added to the OSX magnifier. I think a couple years ago they were talking about adding something they called resolution scaling for other reasons but stated it would be a boon for the visually impaired. Does anyone know anything about this and will it be in Snow Leopard? Thanks! Barry --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
I don't believe there is any problem putting your finger on it. I won't disagree that perhaps some demonstration of some features would not hurt and I encourage you to contact accessibil...@apple.com and make the suggestion. It is possible they simply have not considered this or it is also possible that do to ongoing efforts to improve and insure the enhancements are functioning properly, it may not be time to offer a demonstration. Also, it could even be there is simply not enough staff to even put a demo together. I don't know exactly the number of folks dedicated to the accessibility of the os and apps, but it may be an issue of resources. I don't disagree it would be nice to see accessibility get a bit more face-time like the other features of the os. Where I have an issue is with statements that indicate an entitlement and therefore that is why I made the comments I did. I can understand and appreciate the desire to have a preview, we all want to know what's coming, but there may very well be reasons for why it has not happen. On Jul 7, 2009, at 5:41 PM, Justin Harford wrote: Hi all I just got a look at this thread. It seems that, once again, I am ignorant of how we, as equal citizens with equal legal responsibilities should view ourselves as apple customers. I wonder if someone might please educate me on what is wrong with the proposition that we should have some sort of audio demonstrations of upcoming apple accessibility developments. Please allow me to explain myself. Of course the idea that we are entitled to this information as blind people is completely ridiculous, but I still wonder why no one is bothered that apple don't put out a demo of the technology for us to listen to. Scott you said You are not entitled to know any more than your sighted counterpart. I agree. As it is, our sighted counterparts get to see live demonstrations of the technologies in which they will invest their money. There was a snow-leopard demo at the last WWDC. When Leopard came out, there was also a WWDC demo and more demos on apple's website. When the iPhone 3gs came out, apple offered a demonstration on their website. When the iPod shuffle came out, apple again offered a demo on their website. In all of these cases, perhaps with the exception of the shuffle and maybe the voice control on the iPhone if you count that as accessibility, there was no demonstration of VoiceOver. Of course, the blind as such a small customer base should give apple no occasion to suffer itself to demonstrate VO before an audience of WWDC developers and customers, who couldn't care less, but is putting up a little audio demonstration on their accessibility page really too much to ask? It is true. I'm not entitled to know anything more than my sighted counterpart, and I guess at this point, that is how things are. The sighted don't know how accessibility works under snow-leopard, just as I don't know. I know that snow-leopard offers the capability to watch movies through finder icons, just as the sighted know. The average sighted joe does not care about accessibility improvements, just as I don't care about watching movies through icons. Something just seems wrong here, though I'm having trouble putting my finger on it. I think that apple customers should be shown the things they care about. Some people care about photos on the mac, so they show them. Some people care about listening to music and watching videos, so they show it. Some people want to be productive in a business setting on their macs, so they show productivity. Some people care about the development tools, so they show those. In our case, we care about accessibility, why not show it, not because we are blind people looking for concessions or special treatment, but as consumers spending money on apple products. I have read the descriptions of snow leopard, and am pretty sure that I will buy a copy when it comes out, because the descriptions on apple's website are compelling enough. Even if accessibility improvements prove to be minor or non-existent, the improvements in speed and stability will make it worth the money. So, I don't feel the need to raise a scandal over the fact that I can't legally listen to an audio demonstration of VoiceOver 3.0. No problem. Nevertheless, the fact that people wanting a little taste of future apple accessibility developments, like the demonstrations that their sighted counterparts get, are so brusquely talked down and at times hunted like criminals and reported to the authorities, continues to elude me. This is the view I have of things now. As I stated before, it is becoming increasingly obvious that it is out-of-step with the common consensus, so I wonder if someone might not come forward and tell me why I am wrong. The perspectives and premises we hold in life profoundly govern the way we carry ourselves in the
Re: Adium annoyances.
Hey folks. Thanks so much for the help so far. I've put t in dom mode, and set the message window type to minimal mod. However, I'm, still having the problem whereby when someone writes to me while the window is open, I can't see their last message. I will try to update to the newest version, which I thought I did a couple of days ago. Oh well. I'll keep trying. Thanks so much Reeves Ah, this problem happens when browsing is set to group mode. Try switching back to DOM mode and that will fix the problem with the unfortunate side effect that it will slow your browsing back down to the dark age of windows screen readers. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com On 7-Jul-09, at 8:28 AM, patrickneazer wrote: Good morning Kevin and all: Have you updated to the latest version? Even though I have my adium set to check for updates automatically I had to perform the update manually. That solved some of the problems I was having. Give that a shot if you have not already. Be well. On Jul 7, 2009, at 12:13 AM, Kevin Reeves wrote: Hey folks. Not sure what the deal is here, but I am having problems reading messages in Adium. I have been toggling the message window type from Gone Dark to Minimal mod and sometimes I can see all the messages in a conversation, but sometimes I can't. It's real hit or miss. It's as if the window isn't scrolling down or moving to accommodate the newly populating messages at the bottom of the window. If anyone can help me with any settings that I'm missing, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks so much. Reeves Take good care and I wish you enough. Love Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The Plot Thickens (was re: Disappointed)
I haven't talked to GW yet; they're all off at convention, but I expect this will get to the right people, seeing how it was posted to the BookSense list run by GW Micro. On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:12 PM, Amber Boggs wrote: Have you talked to GW? They are really reseptive to complaints and problems. Talk to Doug or Dan if you can. AMber Amber Boggs - Original Message - From: Buddy Brannan bu...@brannan.name To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; macvoiceo...@freelists.org; gw-bookse...@gwmicro.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:30 PM Subject: The Plot Thickens (was re: Disappointed) Hi y'all, Well, this gets more interesting. Apparently it really must be a driver issue of some sort. While I can't mount the BookSense on the Mac, it *does* mount on a GNU/Linux machine; specifically, I tried mounting it on a machine running Ubuntu 8.10. Doing so, I was able to see the files and folders on the SD card installed in the BookSense. Just a bit more trivia to add, I guess. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: (814) 746-4127 or 888-75-BUDDY Create your own economic stimulus package: http://www.powermall.info --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The Plot Thickens (was re: Disappointed)
Have you talked to GW? They are really reseptive to complaints and problems. Talk to Doug or Dan if you can. AMber Amber Boggs - Original Message - From: Buddy Brannan bu...@brannan.name To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com; macvoiceo...@freelists.org; gw-bookse...@gwmicro.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:30 PM Subject: The Plot Thickens (was re: Disappointed) Hi y'all, Well, this gets more interesting. Apparently it really must be a driver issue of some sort. While I can't mount the BookSense on the Mac, it *does* mount on a GNU/Linux machine; specifically, I tried mounting it on a machine running Ubuntu 8.10. Doing so, I was able to see the files and folders on the SD card installed in the BookSense. Just a bit more trivia to add, I guess. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
SPEECH PROGRAM FOR MAC?
HI, ALL. i CAME ACROSS A PROGRAM ON WINDOWS CALLED J TALK, THAT SIMPLY ECHOED LINES OF TEXT TO A SAPI SYNTH. i GUESS A PROGRAM LIKE THIS WOULD BE EASY TO WRITE ON THE MAC? YOU WOULD JUST HAVE A TEXT BOX WHERE YOU TYPE A MESSAGE TO BE SPOKEN, AND MAYBE SOME BUTTONS WITH PRE-DEFINED PHRASES SUCH AS YES, NO, THANK YOU, ETC. THANKS, aRTHUR. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: SPEECH PROGRAM FOR MAC?
Hi Arthor: Why do that when you have something called voice over and I think you turn it on with command f5 or hold down the fn key and do command f5 if you have a laptop/notebook. Gene - Original Message - From: Arthur Pirika a...@andrelouis.com To: MACvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:29 PM Subject: SPEECH PROGRAM FOR MAC? HI, ALL. i CAME ACROSS A PROGRAM ON WINDOWS CALLED J TALK, THAT SIMPLY ECHOED LINES OF TEXT TO A SAPI SYNTH. i GUESS A PROGRAM LIKE THIS WOULD BE EASY TO WRITE ON THE MAC? YOU WOULD JUST HAVE A TEXT BOX WHERE YOU TYPE A MESSAGE TO BE SPOKEN, AND MAYBE SOME BUTTONS WITH PRE-DEFINED PHRASES SUCH AS YES, NO, THANK YOU, ETC. THANKS, aRTHUR. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Hi, List, What I meant is that I felt that someone made a comment of something that only insiders would know. It was not something that Apple made public. Regards, Alex, On 7-Jul-09, at 3:41 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: Well, you make some valid and well articulated points. However, I personally am not ready to feel discriminated against because they're not showing accessibility features. I'm happy so long as they're putting that suff in. I have to say though that I think it is a stretch to claim that this discussion violated any ndas. The Ndas apply to paying members of Apple's dev center and have inside information on the inner workings of Snow Leopard. Maybe someone in this thread is a member. I don't know. But I seriously doubt that Apple is too concerned about people discussing features of interest. They've allreay posted allot of stuff so why not this? What you probably dont want to post is something about how open cl works. On Jul 7, 2009, at 4:41 PM, Justin Harford wrote: Hi all I just got a look at this thread. It seems that, once again, I am ignorant of how we, as equal citizens with equal legal responsibilities should view ourselves as apple customers. I wonder if someone might please educate me on what is wrong with the proposition that we should have some sort of audio demonstrations of upcoming apple accessibility developments. Please allow me to explain myself. Of course the idea that we are entitled to this information as blind people is completely ridiculous, but I still wonder why no one is bothered that apple don't put out a demo of the technology for us to listen to. Scott you said You are not entitled to know any more than your sighted counterpart. I agree. As it is, our sighted counterparts get to see live demonstrations of the technologies in which they will invest their money. There was a snow-leopard demo at the last WWDC. When Leopard came out, there was also a WWDC demo and more demos on apple's website. When the iPhone 3gs came out, apple offered a demonstration on their website. When the iPod shuffle came out, apple again offered a demo on their website. In all of these cases, perhaps with the exception of the shuffle and maybe the voice control on the iPhone if you count that as accessibility, there was no demonstration of VoiceOver. Of course, the blind as such a small customer base should give apple no occasion to suffer itself to demonstrate VO before an audience of WWDC developers and customers, who couldn't care less, but is putting up a little audio demonstration on their accessibility page really too much to ask? It is true. I'm not entitled to know anything more than my sighted counterpart, and I guess at this point, that is how things are. The sighted don't know how accessibility works under snow-leopard, just as I don't know. I know that snow-leopard offers the capability to watch movies through finder icons, just as the sighted know. The average sighted joe does not care about accessibility improvements, just as I don't care about watching movies through icons. Something just seems wrong here, though I'm having trouble putting my finger on it. I think that apple customers should be shown the things they care about. Some people care about photos on the mac, so they show them. Some people care about listening to music and watching videos, so they show it. Some people want to be productive in a business setting on their macs, so they show productivity. Some people care about the development tools, so they show those. In our case, we care about accessibility, why not show it, not because we are blind people looking for concessions or special treatment, but as consumers spending money on apple products. I have read the descriptions of snow leopard, and am pretty sure that I will buy a copy when it comes out, because the descriptions on apple's website are compelling enough. Even if accessibility improvements prove to be minor or non-existent, the improvements in speed and stability will make it worth the money. So, I don't feel the need to raise a scandal over the fact that I can't legally listen to an audio demonstration of VoiceOver 3.0. No problem. Nevertheless, the fact that people wanting a little taste of future apple accessibility developments, like the demonstrations that their sighted counterparts get, are so brusquely talked down and at times hunted like criminals and reported to the authorities, continues to elude me. This is the view I have of things now. As I stated before, it is becoming increasingly obvious that it is out-of-step with the common consensus, so I wonder if someone might not come forward and tell me why I am wrong. The perspectives and premises we hold in life profoundly govern the way we carry ourselves in the world. I most certainly would not want to continue harboring views which cause my
Re: Voice Over in Snow Leopard
Hi, List, When Leo first came out the very next week there was the Accessibility in Action demo which was a joint effort with Apple and Mac Learning. Secondly, the Accessibility team seem short staffed since the release of the iPhone. This is valid. It is also valid that SL bugs are taking longer to quash. I know those folks are working hard to improve SL's accessibility, because the made it clear when I was reporting Leo bugs. Regards, Alex, H On 7-Jul-09, at 3:49 PM, Scott Howell wrote: I don't believe there is any problem putting your finger on it. I won't disagree that perhaps some demonstration of some features would not hurt and I encourage you to contact accessibil...@apple.com and make the suggestion. It is possible they simply have not considered this or it is also possible that do to ongoing efforts to improve and insure the enhancements are functioning properly, it may not be time to offer a demonstration. Also, it could even be there is simply not enough staff to even put a demo together. I don't know exactly the number of folks dedicated to the accessibility of the os and apps, but it may be an issue of resources. I don't disagree it would be nice to see accessibility get a bit more face-time like the other features of the os. Where I have an issue is with statements that indicate an entitlement and therefore that is why I made the comments I did. I can understand and appreciate the desire to have a preview, we all want to know what's coming, but there may very well be reasons for why it has not happen. On Jul 7, 2009, at 5:41 PM, Justin Harford wrote: Hi all I just got a look at this thread. It seems that, once again, I am ignorant of how we, as equal citizens with equal legal responsibilities should view ourselves as apple customers. I wonder if someone might please educate me on what is wrong with the proposition that we should have some sort of audio demonstrations of upcoming apple accessibility developments. Please allow me to explain myself. Of course the idea that we are entitled to this information as blind people is completely ridiculous, but I still wonder why no one is bothered that apple don't put out a demo of the technology for us to listen to. Scott you said You are not entitled to know any more than your sighted counterpart. I agree. As it is, our sighted counterparts get to see live demonstrations of the technologies in which they will invest their money. There was a snow-leopard demo at the last WWDC. When Leopard came out, there was also a WWDC demo and more demos on apple's website. When the iPhone 3gs came out, apple offered a demonstration on their website. When the iPod shuffle came out, apple again offered a demo on their website. In all of these cases, perhaps with the exception of the shuffle and maybe the voice control on the iPhone if you count that as accessibility, there was no demonstration of VoiceOver. Of course, the blind as such a small customer base should give apple no occasion to suffer itself to demonstrate VO before an audience of WWDC developers and customers, who couldn't care less, but is putting up a little audio demonstration on their accessibility page really too much to ask? It is true. I'm not entitled to know anything more than my sighted counterpart, and I guess at this point, that is how things are. The sighted don't know how accessibility works under snow-leopard, just as I don't know. I know that snow-leopard offers the capability to watch movies through finder icons, just as the sighted know. The average sighted joe does not care about accessibility improvements, just as I don't care about watching movies through icons. Something just seems wrong here, though I'm having trouble putting my finger on it. I think that apple customers should be shown the things they care about. Some people care about photos on the mac, so they show them. Some people care about listening to music and watching videos, so they show it. Some people want to be productive in a business setting on their macs, so they show productivity. Some people care about the development tools, so they show those. In our case, we care about accessibility, why not show it, not because we are blind people looking for concessions or special treatment, but as consumers spending money on apple products. I have read the descriptions of snow leopard, and am pretty sure that I will buy a copy when it comes out, because the descriptions on apple's website are compelling enough. Even if accessibility improvements prove to be minor or non-existent, the improvements in speed and stability will make it worth the money. So, I don't feel the need to raise a scandal over the fact that I can't legally listen to an audio demonstration of VoiceOver 3.0. No problem. Nevertheless, the fact that people wanting a little taste of future apple accessibility
Re: Low Vision Accessibility in Snow Leopard
Hi, The resolution can be changed in Displays under System Preferences in the Apple menu of Leo. At this point documented ones are to my knowlege non-existant at the moment. This is not to say that it is a yet undisclosed thing. Regards, Alex, On 7-Jul-09, at 3:37 PM, Barry Lipscomb wrote: I am a low vision user and I was wondering if anyone has heard if there will be an upgrade to the full screen magnifier. I know in windows when you are using a program like Zoomtext that the resolution on the magnifier is much better. It has crisper sharper text. I would like to see this added to the OSX magnifier. I think a couple years ago they were talking about adding something they called resolution scaling for other reasons but stated it would be a boon for the visually impaired. Does anyone know anything about this and will it be in Snow Leopard? Thanks! Barry --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
