date:20100424

I have to say I like Samantha better than the British voice on the iPhone who 
cannot say E or R at the speed I have it. I much prefer her to eloquence though 
any day. And after trying Samantha, I think the british one is called Cathy and 
Karen, the Australian one, i have to say I revert back to good old Sam. I'm not 
sure I'd like her on the mac but for the iPhone she works great. 
Am I right in thinking there are other voices for the iPod shuffle? Wonder if 
there is if there's any plans to export those voices to the iPhone and iPad. :)

On 24 Apr 2010, at 07:11, ch...@q.com wrote:

 Brian:
 I'm curious:  Isn't Samantha also synthetic?  What about Alex?
 I kind of think she has a little smile in her voice, but I honestly find 
 Eloquence th e easiest to understand.  The old voice that used to be in the 
 dectalk was pretty good, and I don't think anyone's using that except NOAA 
 all hazards radio.
 I din't think the macbook pro even has Samantha on it as an option.
 Anyhow, interesting topic to me.  Thanks
 Carolyn
 On Apr 23, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Bryan Smart wrote:
 
 Samantha sounds completely emotionless to me. I know that synthesizer 
 intonation only approximates the change in pitch that happens as a person 
 reads, but Samantha has one of the worst intonation models that I've ever 
 heard. No matter if she is pausing at the end of a clause, making a 
 statement, asking a question, or speaking with exclamation, she always 
 speaks the same way. She starts high, slowly starts to drop in pitch, and 
 has an abrupt drop when she reaches the end of a sentence or a clause 
 boundary. All other modern synths, from Alex, to the old Macintalk voices, 
 to DECtalk, to Eloquence, and even junk stuff like ESpeak can use intonation 
 that changes a little depending on what it is reading. Samantha sounds 
 completely flat and detached. Add to that she sounds like an annoyed person 
 that smokes heavily, and I think she's a crap voice. It really bugs me that 
 she is becoming the default voice for so many blind-people devices. If we 
 had to use a Scansoft voice, Tom would be better. At least Tom modulates. A 
 synthetic voice would be more expressive.
 
 Bryan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
 Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 5:41 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Where Is Samantha, on the Mac?
 
 Hi,
 
 I find Samantha a lot nicer on a computer than the iPhone. THis is in part 
 because of the quality, but I for some reason find her a much harsher 
 assistant on the iPhone than I do on a computer.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
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 On Apr 23, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
 
 Hell I thought she was one of the better quality voices out there.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
 Sent: Wednesday, 21 April 2010 8:30 p.m.
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Where Is Samantha, on the Mac?
 
 Hi,
 
 Samantha is a SAPI voice, made by Scansoft, and referred to Vocalizer 
 on any mobile platform from Nuance. It is the voice of the iThingies 
 though, but I find her harsh to listen to.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
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 On Apr 21, 2010, at 8:34 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
 
 Thank you for your response.
 
 But how can this be?  Is she not the beloved voice of the iPhone, 
 iPod Touch, and  iPad?
 
 Perhaps I refer to her by the wrong name?  
 
 Mark
 
 
 
 
 
 Get to know yourself as you get to know me on The Secret Life of Mark
 Marcus
 Live Talk Show
 http://candleshore.com/secrets
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of gkearney
 Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:12 PM
 To: MacVisionaries
 Subject: Re: Where Is Samantha, on the Mac?
 
 I fear you shall not find symmetry in your world...Samantha is a 
 Microsoft Windows SAPI voice and is not an option for Macintosh users.
 
 Gregory Kearney
 Manager Accessible Media
 Association for the Blind of Western Australia
 61 Kitchener Ave
 Victoria Park, WA 6100'
 AUSTRALIA
 +61 08 9311 8246
 
 On Apr 21, 9:20 am, M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu wrote:
 Hello Everyone,
 
 Call me slow but I only just now realized that my beloved Samantha 
 is not
 on
 my Mac.  All I have, of any quality anyway, is Alex.  
 
 Where is she?  Please tell me that I can download her to my Mac so I 
 can achieve perfect symmetry in my world.  (Smile)
 
 Mark**
 
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want a serial number

2010-04-24 Thread william lomas

hi can anyone get me a unison 1.81 serial number?
I don't care i am pirating it isn't my fault they not fixed the new version 
with voiceover lol

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hi i sorted unison found a serial number

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Re: want a serial number

2010-04-24 Thread Ben Mustill-Rose

If I've decrypted your email correctly, surely one of the reasons why
developers aren't making there apps accessible is because people are
pirating them?

Some what self forfilling really imo.

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Re: test driving an iphone?

2010-04-24 Thread Scott Howell

You will want to go read a little and familiarize yourself with the gestures. 
The URL is http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html and you can 
have VoiceOver turned on by going to settings, general, accessibility, and then 
VOiceOver. To make it easier for them to turn it on/off, they may wish to 
consider setting the triple home click to toggle VO on/off. SO, no matter how 
difficult the gestures etc. they can return the phone to the standard interface.

On Apr 23, 2010, at 8:48 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 Hi all,
 I just learned today that my mobile phone provider here in Toronto has the 
 i-phone.  I want to step into a store and see what it is like.
 Any tips, in case the sales person is clueless about the access features?
 May as well add a goofy ipad question too.  is everyone using one actually 
 using an extra keypad or  does access mean the touch screen?
 I know that is a baby question, but since I do not have  an ipad I have not 
 followed those threads.
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Re: want a serial number

2010-04-24 Thread Scott Howell

You know Will sure has a pair of big ones now doesn't he? First he admits to 
downloading and using an illegal copy of the iPhone 4.0 beta software and now 
he openly admits that he will pirate software because he can't get what he 
wants. Gee, I think I gave him a route to take with respect to dealing with the 
problem of accessibility and if he contacts them, there is a good chance they 
would issue a refund. Pirating software will not solve the problem. Oh yeah, 
pirating is also illegal and I wouldn't run around admitting it to the WOrld 
either. Yep, really smart move.
On Apr 24, 2010, at 5:27 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

 If I've decrypted your email correctly, surely one of the reasons why
 developers aren't making there apps accessible is because people are
 pirating them?
 
 Some what self forfilling really imo.
 
 On 24/04/2010, william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com wrote:
  hi can anyone get me a unison 1.81 serial number?
 I don't care i am pirating it isn't my fault they not fixed the new version
 with voiceover lol
 
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Re: unison sorted

2010-04-24 Thread Scott Howell

So, did you find it by contacting them or liberate it illegally?
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Re: Where Is Samantha, on the Mac?

Hi,

I'm surprised they chose Samantha. I still think she sounds better on a 
computer, but still, she gives me a headache after a while. If I could choose, 
I'd go with the Acapela voices, but sadly, that might not happen.


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On Apr 24, 2010, at 3:13 AM, Bryan Smart wrote:

 Samantha sounds completely emotionless to me. I know that synthesizer 
 intonation only approximates the change in pitch that happens as a person 
 reads, but Samantha has one of the worst intonation models that I've ever 
 heard. No matter if she is pausing at the end of a clause, making a 
 statement, asking a question, or speaking with exclamation, she always speaks 
 the same way. She starts high, slowly starts to drop in pitch, and has an 
 abrupt drop when she reaches the end of a sentence or a clause boundary. All 
 other modern synths, from Alex, to the old Macintalk voices, to DECtalk, to 
 Eloquence, and even junk stuff like ESpeak can use intonation that changes a 
 little depending on what it is reading. Samantha sounds completely flat and 
 detached. Add to that she sounds like an annoyed person that smokes heavily, 
 and I think she's a crap voice. It really bugs me that she is becoming the 
 default voice for so many blind-people devices. If we had to use a Scansoft 
 voice, Tom would be better. At least Tom modulates. A synthetic voice would 
 be more expressive.
 
 Bryan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
 Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 5:41 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Where Is Samantha, on the Mac?
 
 Hi,
 
 I find Samantha a lot nicer on a computer than the iPhone. THis is in part 
 because of the quality, but I for some reason find her a much harsher 
 assistant on the iPhone than I do on a computer.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
 Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
 Skype: Kvalme
 MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
 AIM: cincinster
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 Facebook Profile
 My Twitter
 
 On Apr 23, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
 
 Hell I thought she was one of the better quality voices out there.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
 Sent: Wednesday, 21 April 2010 8:30 p.m.
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Where Is Samantha, on the Mac?
 
 Hi,
 
 Samantha is a SAPI voice, made by Scansoft, and referred to Vocalizer 
 on any mobile platform from Nuance. It is the voice of the iThingies 
 though, but I find her harsh to listen to.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
 Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
 Skype: Kvalme
 MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
 AIM: cincinster
 yahoo Messenger: cin368
 Facebook Profile
 My Twitter
 
 On Apr 21, 2010, at 8:34 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
 
 Thank you for your response.
 
 But how can this be?  Is she not the beloved voice of the iPhone, 
 iPod Touch, and  iPad?
 
 Perhaps I refer to her by the wrong name?  
 
 Mark
 
 
 
 
 
 Get to know yourself as you get to know me on The Secret Life of Mark
 Marcus
 Live Talk Show
 http://candleshore.com/secrets
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of gkearney
 Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:12 PM
 To: MacVisionaries
 Subject: Re: Where Is Samantha, on the Mac?
 
 I fear you shall not find symmetry in your world...Samantha is a 
 Microsoft Windows SAPI voice and is not an option for Macintosh users.
 
 Gregory Kearney
 Manager Accessible Media
 Association for the Blind of Western Australia
 61 Kitchener Ave
 Victoria Park, WA 6100'
 AUSTRALIA
 +61 08 9311 8246
 
 On Apr 21, 9:20 am, M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu wrote:
 Hello Everyone,
 
 Call me slow but I only just now realized that my beloved Samantha 
 is not
 on
 my Mac.  All I have, of any quality anyway, is Alex.  
 
 Where is she?  Please tell me that I can download her to my Mac so I 
 can achieve perfect symmetry in my world.  (Smile)
 
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ocr software

2010-04-24 Thread chad baker

Hi what's available for ocr software.
I use kurtzweil on the windows side.
thanks

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Re: East Asian voices for VoiceOver


Hi Shen,

I'd like to know if there are Mandarin voices to use with VoiceOver,  
too.  There are Japanese voices that worked with VoiceOver under  
Leopard from DTalker, but I don't know if they've been updated yet for  
Snow Leopard.  Here's the link to my post to Yuma on this subject from  
the archives:

http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg12502.html
(Japanese voice for the Mac)
There are some language learning programs that include voices for text  
to speech, such as the Key2009 software:

http://www.cjkware.com/index.html
I haven't tried these, so I don't know whether they're accessible, but  
the voices only do text to speech within the application program.


The iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPad have Mandarin and Japanese voices  
with VoiceOver on their version of the operating system (OS 3.1.2 or  
OS 3.2). However, switching voices is inconvenient.  The iPad (OS 3.2)  
has introduced a language rotor, which simplifies this.  The iPad is  
currently the Mac platform that would best support Mandarin, although  
the iPhone operating system and applications are more limited in  
capabilities than Mac OS X on the regular Macs.


HTH

Cheers,

Esther


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Re: East Asian voices for VoiceOver

2010-04-24 Thread william lomas

i think acapella are doing a manderin voice

On 24 Apr 2010, at 14:14, Esther wrote:

 Hi Shen,
 
 I'd like to know if there are Mandarin voices to use with VoiceOver, too.  
 There are Japanese voices that worked with VoiceOver under Leopard from 
 DTalker, but I don't know if they've been updated yet for Snow Leopard.  
 Here's the link to my post to Yuma on this subject from the archives:
 http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg12502.html
 (Japanese voice for the Mac)
 There are some language learning programs that include voices for text to 
 speech, such as the Key2009 software:
 http://www.cjkware.com/index.html
 I haven't tried these, so I don't know whether they're accessible, but the 
 voices only do text to speech within the application program.
 
 The iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPad have Mandarin and Japanese voices with 
 VoiceOver on their version of the operating system (OS 3.1.2 or OS 3.2). 
 However, switching voices is inconvenient.  The iPad (OS 3.2) has introduced 
 a language rotor, which simplifies this.  The iPad is currently the Mac 
 platform that would best support Mandarin, although the iPhone operating 
 system and applications are more limited in capabilities than Mac OS X on the 
 regular Macs.
 
 HTH
 
 Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 
 Shen wrote:
 
 Hello,
 Does anyone know where I can get Japanese and Mandarin voices to use
 with VoiceOver.
 Thanks.
 
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Re: ocr software

2010-04-24 Thread Anne Robertson

Hello Chad,

On Apr 24, 2010, at 2:15 PM, chad baker wrote:
 what's available for ocr software.

The best for accuracy is Abbyy FineReader Express. Only the Express version is 
available for Mac but it does a good job. Unfortunately, it doesn't support all 
scanners, so you may have to use another application for the scanning part.

Then there is ReadIris Pro 12 which is due for an update to correct a bug that 
prevents the page orientation setting from being retained from one session to 
the next. It is also difficult to install and not so accurate as Abbyy 
FineReader.

Finally, there is VueScan which produces beautiful scans but its OCR is 
mediocre. Neither does it manage page orientation.

I use a combination of VueScan and Abbyy FineReader. I set VueScan to produce 
TIFF files, and set all TIFF files to open with Abbyy FineReader. This is as 
close to automation of the process I've been able to come.

I chose TIFF format to avoid problems with my photo library which has only JPEG 
files in it.

Cheers,

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Re: East Asian voices for VoiceOver


Hello Will,

It would certainly be good news if there were a Mandarin Chinese voice  
added to the Infovox iVox voices from Acapela, since their voices are  
very well tested for use with VoiceOver.  However, unless you have  
more direct information from them than has appeared in the exchanges  
on this list, and beyond the replies that David Niemeijer (CEO of  
Assistiveware) posted to your suggestion that they add such voices, it  
would probably be better not to speculate.


There's a Mandarin voice sample on the Loquendo voice demo page:
http://www.loquendo.com/en/demos/demo_emb_tts.htm

As far as I know, none of the Loquendo voices have been developed for  
use with VoiceOver on the Mac (so that they follow the speech control  
API's that allow the voices to work integrally with the Mac OS X).   
Some developers are using those voices for text to speech on the  
iPhone and iPad.


HTH

Cheers,

Esther
william lomas wrote:


i think acapella are doing a manderin voice

On 24 Apr 2010, at 14:14, Esther wrote:


Hi Shen,

I'd like to know if there are Mandarin voices to use with  
VoiceOver, too.  There are Japanese voices that worked with  
VoiceOver under Leopard from DTalker, but I don't know if they've  
been updated yet for Snow Leopard.  Here's the link to my post to  
Yuma on this subject from the archives:

http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg12502.html
(Japanese voice for the Mac)
There are some language learning programs that include voices for  
text to speech, such as the Key2009 software:

http://www.cjkware.com/index.html
I haven't tried these, so I don't know whether they're accessible,  
but the voices only do text to speech within the application program.


The iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPad have Mandarin and Japanese voices  
with VoiceOver on their version of the operating system (OS 3.1.2  
or OS 3.2). However, switching voices is inconvenient.  The iPad  
(OS 3.2) has introduced a language rotor, which simplifies this.   
The iPad is currently the Mac platform that would best support  
Mandarin, although the iPhone operating system and applications are  
more limited in capabilities than Mac OS X on the regular Macs.


HTH

Cheers,

Esther


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Re: Where Is Samantha, on the Mac?

2010-04-24 Thread Pete Nalda

Ya know, back in the old days, I used to use Victoria on the mac, before they 
brought out Alex.  Victoria IIRC didn't have any naturalism to her voice, but I 
never heard her mispronounce much, and she does have a nice English accent 
imho. YMMV.  I'll have to try her out again, been using alex so long I've sort 
of forgot how she sounded.


On Apr 24, 2010, at 3:41 AM, marie Howarth wrote:

 I have to say I like Samantha better than the British voice on the iPhone who 
 cannot say E or R at the speed I have it. I much prefer her to eloquence 
 though any day. And after trying Samantha, I think the british one is called 
 Cathy and Karen, the Australian one, i have to say I revert back to good old 
 Sam. I'm not sure I'd like her on the mac but for the iPhone she works great. 
 Am I right in thinking there are other voices for the iPod shuffle? Wonder if 
 there is if there's any plans to export those voices to the iPhone and iPad. 
 :)
 
 On 24 Apr 2010, at 07:11, ch...@q.com wrote:
 
 Brian:
 I'm curious:  Isn't Samantha also synthetic?  What about Alex?
 I kind of think she has a little smile in her voice, but I honestly find 
 Eloquence th e easiest to understand.  The old voice that used to be in the 
 dectalk was pretty good, and I don't think anyone's using that except NOAA 
 all hazards radio.
 I din't think the macbook pro even has Samantha on it as an option.
 Anyhow, interesting topic to me.  Thanks
 Carolyn
 On Apr 23, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Bryan Smart wrote:
 
 Samantha sounds completely emotionless to me. I know that synthesizer 
 intonation only approximates the change in pitch that happens as a person 
 reads, but Samantha has one of the worst intonation models that I've ever 
 heard. No matter if she is pausing at the end of a clause, making a 
 statement, asking a question, or speaking with exclamation, she always 
 speaks the same way. She starts high, slowly starts to drop in pitch, and 
 has an abrupt drop when she reaches the end of a sentence or a clause 
 boundary. All other modern synths, from Alex, to the old Macintalk voices, 
 to DECtalk, to Eloquence, and even junk stuff like ESpeak can use 
 intonation that changes a little depending on what it is reading. Samantha 
 sounds completely flat and detached. Add to that she sounds like an annoyed 
 person that smokes heavily, and I think she's a crap voice. It really bugs 
 me that she is becoming the default voice for so many blind-people devices. 
 If we had to use a Scansoft voice, Tom would be better. At least Tom 
 modulates. A synthetic voice would be more expressive.
 
 Bryan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
 Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 5:41 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Where Is Samantha, on the Mac?
 
 Hi,
 
 I find Samantha a lot nicer on a computer than the iPhone. THis is in part 
 because of the quality, but I for some reason find her a much harsher 
 assistant on the iPhone than I do on a computer.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
 Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
 Skype: Kvalme
 MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
 AIM: cincinster
 yahoo Messenger: cin368
 Facebook Profile
 My Twitter
 
 On Apr 23, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
 
 Hell I thought she was one of the better quality voices out there.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
 Sent: Wednesday, 21 April 2010 8:30 p.m.
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Where Is Samantha, on the Mac?
 
 Hi,
 
 Samantha is a SAPI voice, made by Scansoft, and referred to Vocalizer 
 on any mobile platform from Nuance. It is the voice of the iThingies 
 though, but I find her harsh to listen to.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
 Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
 Skype: Kvalme
 MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
 AIM: cincinster
 yahoo Messenger: cin368
 Facebook Profile
 My Twitter
 
 On Apr 21, 2010, at 8:34 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
 
 Thank you for your response.
 
 But how can this be?  Is she not the beloved voice of the iPhone, 
 iPod Touch, and  iPad?
 
 Perhaps I refer to her by the wrong name?  
 
 Mark
 
 
 
 
 
 Get to know yourself as you get to know me on The Secret Life of Mark
 Marcus
 Live Talk Show
 http://candleshore.com/secrets
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of gkearney
 Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:12 PM
 To: MacVisionaries
 Subject: Re: Where Is Samantha, on the Mac?
 
 I fear you shall not find symmetry in your world...Samantha is a 
 Microsoft Windows SAPI voice and is not an option for Macintosh users.
 
 Gregory Kearney
 Manager Accessible Media
 Association for the Blind of Western Australia
 61 Kitchener Ave
 Victoria Park, WA 6100'
 AUSTRALIA
 +61 08 9311 8246
 
 On Apr 21, 9:20 am, M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu wrote:
 Hello Everyone,
 
 Call me

Re: test driving an iphone?

Hi Karen,

I concur with Scott's suggestions. Before you go to the store to check
out the iPhone, review the section on VoiceOver gestures in the iPhone
User's Guide:

http://help.apple.com/iphone/voiceover/en/
The direct link to the section on VoiceOver is:
http://help.apple.com/iphone/3/voiceover/en/iphddd0db38.html

VoiceOver gets turned on and off in Settings General Accessibility
VoiceOver. I assume the store will have to turn this on for you.
Once you're on that screen, you can do a two finger flick up to have
VoiceOver read out the screen contents. If you want to stop it, tap
with two fingers on the screen. Then you can also navigate to the
next item and hear it announced by flicking right with one finger, or
listen to the previous item by flicking left with one finger through
the page.

You'll probably want to change the speaking rate, which is done with a
slider near the bottom of the VoiceOver screen. If you used a two
finger flick to read through to the end of the page, flick left with
one finger to get to the slider, or simply move your finger up from
the bottom of the screen to touch it. Then, flick up (to increase) or
down (to decrease) to adjust speaking rate.

The Settings General Accessibility VoiceOver screen also has a
Practice VoiceOver Gestures area that works like keyboard practice
mode: once you activate it (by double tapping) VoiceOver will announce
the gestures it thinks you made and the associated action (e.g.,
Flick right; move to next item). Double tap on the Done button at
the top right of the screen to exit the Practice VoiceOver Gestures
area.

Another point: when a button or link has focus (because you've touched
it, or flicked to it), you can double tap anywhere on the screen to
activate it. Also, to go back to reach a previous screen in a tree,
you'll generally double tap a button at the top left of the screen.

So, if you choose to set up the triple-click home as a toggle switch
for VoiceOver, after leaving the VoiceOver Screen by double tapping
the Accessibility button at the top left, flick right until you
reach the Triple-Click Home button (or just move your finger to the
bottom of the screen to touch it), and double-tap. Then, flick right
past Off to Toggle VoiceOver and double tap to select it. You
can leave the various Settings menu screens by simply pressing the
Home button at the bottom of the screen once.

On your iPad question, it should be possible to use the iPad without
an external keypad. However, what's very intriguing is a report from
TUAW that some people were able to use the iPad Camera Kit attachment
to hook up a USB keypad. This doesn't seem to be universal, since
some people commented that they got a USB Device Not Recognized when
they tried this, so we don't know which models this might work with.
It may just work as a feature that is not officially supported.
Here's the link to the TUAW article, Dear Aunt TUAW: Can I use a USB
keyboard or headset with my iPad? by Erica Sadun, April 23, 2010:
http://www.tuaw.com/2010/04/23/dear-aunt-tuaw-can-i-use-a-standard-keyboard-or-usb-headset-wit/

HTH

Cheers,

Esther

Karen Lewellen wrote:

Hi all,
I just learned today that my mobile phone provider here in Toronto
has the i-phone. I want to step into a store and see what it is like.
Any tips, in case the sales person is clueless about the access
features?
May as well add a goofy ipad question too. is everyone using one
actually using an extra keypad or does access mean the touch screen?
I know that is a baby question, but since I do not have an ipad I
have not followed those threads.

Karen

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Re: Where Is Samantha, on the Mac?

Hi,

Well, she's Vicky now. They changed the original Victoria I believe to Vicky, 
and the female who is now Victoria is different.

Most of them seem to have the same pronunciation though, even Alex. It's hard 
to detect, but if you listen carefully, you can easily hear the resemblance 
between all of them. It's kind of amusing sometimes.

Regards,
nic
Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
Skype: Kvalme
MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
AIM: cincinster
yahoo Messenger: cin368
Facebook Profile
My Twitter

On Apr 24, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Pete Nalda wrote:

 Ya know, back in the old days, I used to use Victoria on the mac, before they 
 brought out Alex.  Victoria IIRC didn't have any naturalism to her voice, but 
 I never heard her mispronounce much, and she does have a nice English accent 
 imho. YMMV.  I'll have to try her out again, been using alex so long I've 
 sort of forgot how she sounded.
 
 
 On Apr 24, 2010, at 3:41 AM, marie Howarth wrote:
 
 I have to say I like Samantha better than the British voice on the iPhone 
 who cannot say E or R at the speed I have it. I much prefer her to eloquence 
 though any day. And after trying Samantha, I think the british one is called 
 Cathy and Karen, the Australian one, i have to say I revert back to good old 
 Sam. I'm not sure I'd like her on the mac but for the iPhone she works 
 great. 
 Am I right in thinking there are other voices for the iPod shuffle? Wonder 
 if there is if there's any plans to export those voices to the iPhone and 
 iPad. :)
 
 On 24 Apr 2010, at 07:11, ch...@q.com wrote:
 
 Brian:
 I'm curious:  Isn't Samantha also synthetic?  What about Alex?
 I kind of think she has a little smile in her voice, but I honestly find 
 Eloquence th e easiest to understand.  The old voice that used to be in the 
 dectalk was pretty good, and I don't think anyone's using that except NOAA 
 all hazards radio.
 I din't think the macbook pro even has Samantha on it as an option.
 Anyhow, interesting topic to me.  Thanks
 Carolyn
 On Apr 23, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Bryan Smart wrote:
 
 Samantha sounds completely emotionless to me. I know that synthesizer 
 intonation only approximates the change in pitch that happens as a person 
 reads, but Samantha has one of the worst intonation models that I've ever 
 heard. No matter if she is pausing at the end of a clause, making a 
 statement, asking a question, or speaking with exclamation, she always 
 speaks the same way. She starts high, slowly starts to drop in pitch, and 
 has an abrupt drop when she reaches the end of a sentence or a clause 
 boundary. All other modern synths, from Alex, to the old Macintalk voices, 
 to DECtalk, to Eloquence, and even junk stuff like ESpeak can use 
 intonation that changes a little depending on what it is reading. Samantha 
 sounds completely flat and detached. Add to that she sounds like an 
 annoyed person that smokes heavily, and I think she's a crap voice. It 
 really bugs me that she is becoming the default voice for so many 
 blind-people devices. If we had to use a Scansoft voice, Tom would be 
 better. At least Tom modulates. A synthetic voice would be more expressive.
 
 Bryan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
 Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 5:41 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Where Is Samantha, on the Mac?
 
 Hi,
 
 I find Samantha a lot nicer on a computer than the iPhone. THis is in part 
 because of the quality, but I for some reason find her a much harsher 
 assistant on the iPhone than I do on a computer.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
 Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
 Skype: Kvalme
 MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
 AIM: cincinster
 yahoo Messenger: cin368
 Facebook Profile
 My Twitter
 
 On Apr 23, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
 
 Hell I thought she was one of the better quality voices out there.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
 Sent: Wednesday, 21 April 2010 8:30 p.m.
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Where Is Samantha, on the Mac?
 
 Hi,
 
 Samantha is a SAPI voice, made by Scansoft, and referred to Vocalizer 
 on any mobile platform from Nuance. It is the voice of the iThingies 
 though, but I find her harsh to listen to.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
 Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
 Skype: Kvalme
 MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
 AIM: cincinster
 yahoo Messenger: cin368
 Facebook Profile
 My Twitter
 
 On Apr 21, 2010, at 8:34 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
 
 Thank you for your response.
 
 But how can this be?  Is she not the beloved voice of the iPhone, 
 iPod Touch, and  iPad?
 
 Perhaps I refer to her by the wrong name?  
 
 Mark
 
 
 
 
 
 Get to know yourself as you get to know me on The Secret Life of Mark
 Marcus
 Live Talk Show
 http://candleshore.com/secrets
 -Original Message-
 From:

Re: Where Is Samantha, on the Mac?

2010-04-24 Thread Pete Nalda

Well, I don't know why or how, but my macbook pro running 10.6.3 has both 
Vicki, and Victoria.  Vicki has a softer voice, and Victoria, is got a little 
robotness going on, but I think her voice is clearer than Vicki's.  So I think 
I'm going to use her.  That way, my devices will all have a similar sound. RIP 
old friend Alex, for now at least.

On Apr 24, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Well, she's Vicky now. They changed the original Victoria I believe to Vicky, 
 and the female who is now Victoria is different.
 
 Most of them seem to have the same pronunciation though, even Alex. It's hard 
 to detect, but if you listen carefully, you can easily hear the resemblance 
 between all of them. It's kind of amusing sometimes.
 
 Regards,
 nic
 Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
 Skype: Kvalme
 MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
 AIM: cincinster
 yahoo Messenger: cin368
 Facebook Profile
 My Twitter
 
 On Apr 24, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Pete Nalda wrote:
 
 Ya know, back in the old days, I used to use Victoria on the mac, before 
 they brought out Alex.  Victoria IIRC didn't have any naturalism to her 
 voice, but I never heard her mispronounce much, and she does have a nice 
 English accent imho. YMMV.  I'll have to try her out again, been using alex 
 so long I've sort of forgot how she sounded.
 
 
 On Apr 24, 2010, at 3:41 AM, marie Howarth wrote:
 
 I have to say I like Samantha better than the British voice on the iPhone 
 who cannot say E or R at the speed I have it. I much prefer her to 
 eloquence though any day. And after trying Samantha, I think the british 
 one is called Cathy and Karen, the Australian one, i have to say I revert 
 back to good old Sam. I'm not sure I'd like her on the mac but for the 
 iPhone she works great. 
 Am I right in thinking there are other voices for the iPod shuffle? Wonder 
 if there is if there's any plans to export those voices to the iPhone and 
 iPad. :)
 
 On 24 Apr 2010, at 07:11, ch...@q.com wrote:
 
 Brian:
 I'm curious:  Isn't Samantha also synthetic?  What about Alex?
 I kind of think she has a little smile in her voice, but I honestly find 
 Eloquence th e easiest to understand.  The old voice that used to be in 
 the dectalk was pretty good, and I don't think anyone's using that except 
 NOAA all hazards radio.
 I din't think the macbook pro even has Samantha on it as an option.
 Anyhow, interesting topic to me.  Thanks
 Carolyn
 On Apr 23, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Bryan Smart wrote:
 
 Samantha sounds completely emotionless to me. I know that synthesizer 
 intonation only approximates the change in pitch that happens as a person 
 reads, but Samantha has one of the worst intonation models that I've ever 
 heard. No matter if she is pausing at the end of a clause, making a 
 statement, asking a question, or speaking with exclamation, she always 
 speaks the same way. She starts high, slowly starts to drop in pitch, and 
 has an abrupt drop when she reaches the end of a sentence or a clause 
 boundary. All other modern synths, from Alex, to the old Macintalk 
 voices, to DECtalk, to Eloquence, and even junk stuff like ESpeak can use 
 intonation that changes a little depending on what it is reading. 
 Samantha sounds completely flat and detached. Add to that she sounds like 
 an annoyed person that smokes heavily, and I think she's a crap voice. It 
 really bugs me that she is becoming the default voice for so many 
 blind-people devices. If we had to use a Scansoft voice, Tom would be 
 better. At least Tom modulates. A synthetic voice would be more 
 expressive.
 
 Bryan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
 Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 5:41 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Where Is Samantha, on the Mac?
 
 Hi,
 
 I find Samantha a lot nicer on a computer than the iPhone. THis is in 
 part because of the quality, but I for some reason find her a much 
 harsher assistant on the iPhone than I do on a computer.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
 Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
 Skype: Kvalme
 MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
 AIM: cincinster
 yahoo Messenger: cin368
 Facebook Profile
 My Twitter
 
 On Apr 23, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
 
 Hell I thought she was one of the better quality voices out there.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
 Sent: Wednesday, 21 April 2010 8:30 p.m.
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Where Is Samantha, on the Mac?
 
 Hi,
 
 Samantha is a SAPI voice, made by Scansoft, and referred to Vocalizer 
 on any mobile platform from Nuance. It is the voice of the iThingies 
 though, but I find her harsh to listen to.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
 Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
 Skype: Kvalme
 MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
 AIM: cincinster
 yahoo Messenger: cin368
 Facebook Profile
 My Twitter

Re: Where Is Samantha, on the Mac?

Hi,

Well, they didn't get rid of her. Just renamed her and introduced Victoria as 
another voice than the previous one.

Regards,
Nic
Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
Skype: Kvalme
MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
AIM: cincinster
yahoo Messenger: cin368
Facebook Profile
My Twitter

On Apr 24, 2010, at 5:54 PM, Pete Nalda wrote:

 Well, I don't know why or how, but my macbook pro running 10.6.3 has both 
 Vicki, and Victoria.  Vicki has a softer voice, and Victoria, is got a little 
 robotness going on, but I think her voice is clearer than Vicki's.  So I 
 think I'm going to use her.  That way, my devices will all have a similar 
 sound. RIP old friend Alex, for now at least.
 
 On Apr 24, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Well, she's Vicky now. They changed the original Victoria I believe to 
 Vicky, and the female who is now Victoria is different.
 
 Most of them seem to have the same pronunciation though, even Alex. It's 
 hard to detect, but if you listen carefully, you can easily hear the 
 resemblance between all of them. It's kind of amusing sometimes.
 
 Regards,
 nic
 Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
 Skype: Kvalme
 MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
 AIM: cincinster
 yahoo Messenger: cin368
 Facebook Profile
 My Twitter
 
 On Apr 24, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Pete Nalda wrote:
 
 Ya know, back in the old days, I used to use Victoria on the mac, before 
 they brought out Alex.  Victoria IIRC didn't have any naturalism to her 
 voice, but I never heard her mispronounce much, and she does have a nice 
 English accent imho. YMMV.  I'll have to try her out again, been using alex 
 so long I've sort of forgot how she sounded.
 
 
 On Apr 24, 2010, at 3:41 AM, marie Howarth wrote:
 
 I have to say I like Samantha better than the British voice on the iPhone 
 who cannot say E or R at the speed I have it. I much prefer her to 
 eloquence though any day. And after trying Samantha, I think the british 
 one is called Cathy and Karen, the Australian one, i have to say I revert 
 back to good old Sam. I'm not sure I'd like her on the mac but for the 
 iPhone she works great. 
 Am I right in thinking there are other voices for the iPod shuffle? Wonder 
 if there is if there's any plans to export those voices to the iPhone and 
 iPad. :)
 
 On 24 Apr 2010, at 07:11, ch...@q.com wrote:
 
 Brian:
 I'm curious:  Isn't Samantha also synthetic?  What about Alex?
 I kind of think she has a little smile in her voice, but I honestly find 
 Eloquence th e easiest to understand.  The old voice that used to be in 
 the dectalk was pretty good, and I don't think anyone's using that except 
 NOAA all hazards radio.
 I din't think the macbook pro even has Samantha on it as an option.
 Anyhow, interesting topic to me.  Thanks
 Carolyn
 On Apr 23, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Bryan Smart wrote:
 
 Samantha sounds completely emotionless to me. I know that synthesizer 
 intonation only approximates the change in pitch that happens as a 
 person reads, but Samantha has one of the worst intonation models that 
 I've ever heard. No matter if she is pausing at the end of a clause, 
 making a statement, asking a question, or speaking with exclamation, she 
 always speaks the same way. She starts high, slowly starts to drop in 
 pitch, and has an abrupt drop when she reaches the end of a sentence or 
 a clause boundary. All other modern synths, from Alex, to the old 
 Macintalk voices, to DECtalk, to Eloquence, and even junk stuff like 
 ESpeak can use intonation that changes a little depending on what it is 
 reading. Samantha sounds completely flat and detached. Add to that she 
 sounds like an annoyed person that smokes heavily, and I think she's a 
 crap voice. It really bugs me that she is becoming the default voice for 
 so many blind-people devices. If we had to use a Scansoft voice, Tom 
 would be better. At least Tom modulates. A synthetic voice would be more 
 expressive.
 
 Bryan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
 Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 5:41 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Where Is Samantha, on the Mac?
 
 Hi,
 
 I find Samantha a lot nicer on a computer than the iPhone. THis is in 
 part because of the quality, but I for some reason find her a much 
 harsher assistant on the iPhone than I do on a computer.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
 Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
 Skype: Kvalme
 MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
 AIM: cincinster
 yahoo Messenger: cin368
 Facebook Profile
 My Twitter
 
 On Apr 23, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
 
 Hell I thought she was one of the better quality voices out there.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
 Sent: Wednesday, 21 April 2010 8:30 p.m.
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Where Is Samantha, on the Mac?
 
 Hi,
 
 Samantha is a SAPI

Re: Using Numbers (was Re: the apple user?)

2010-04-24 Thread Dan Roy

This is great, however, have you found a quick way to determine what column 
your in as you navigate through various rows.  I know, I could memorize this 
info, but, I have to use different work sheets and everyone has there own order 
to how they put in the columns.  If there is a way to quickly read the column 
title, it would be quite helpful.


On Apr 23, 2010, at 10:58 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

 Thanks Erik, and can Calc export to windows-compatible formats?  Even CSV 
 would do fine.
 On 22 Apr 2010, at 13:33, erik burggraaf wrote:
 
 Hi, calc does what you describe.  Suppose I have worked some hours for a 
 client and I am going in to update his information.   I push command F, type 
 the name, press enter, press escape, and I am on that client's name.  I can 
 then arrow over to his hours worked and update it with the new hours.  That 
 will update his hours remaining and calculate my receivables automatically, 
 because of the way I set up my sheet.
 
 Best,
 
 Erik Burggraaf
 APlus certified technician and user support consultant
 Call toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
 Visit my all new website: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
 Email: e...@erik-burggraaf.com
 
 On 2010-04-21, at 11:43 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
 Hello Olivia,
 
 Delighted, and very interested to discover you've managed to crack Numbers. 
  It frustrates the hell out of me I have to say.  For example, when I used 
 Excel, and I wanted to input a grade for a specific student, I could do the 
 following:
 1. use ctrl+f (written like this in windows) to bring up a find dialog.
 2.  input the ID of the student,
 3.  press enter and then be taken directly to the cell containing this 
 data.  I could then navigate across the row and input the required grades.
 
 I haven't found a satisfactory way to do this in Numbers.  What I find is 
 that when using the find built into numbers, I can search for the text, 
 but can't go to that location and navigate across the row to input grades.
 
 I also find numbers awkward when working across multiple tables (sheets to 
 use the Excel parlance).  I find VO gets confused when navigating the 
 layout area containing them.
 
 I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts, and the thoughts of others on 
 this matter,
 
 Cheers
 
 Dónal
 On 21 Apr 2010, at 16:01, olivia norman wrote:
 
 I use spreadsheets in numbers all the time for a statistics class I am 
 taking this semester.  It works very well, and is the best means of 
 information for charts, tables, etc.  I, too, constantly struggled with 
 spreadsheets and jaws, but with numbers, I find them easy to work with.  
 Numbers is part of the iWork suite.
 Olivia
 Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower,  Steve Jobs
 
 On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:41 AM, marie Howarth wrote:
 
 I'm with you Nick. 
 
 I don't use spread sheets nor do I ever intend to use them but I do 
 believe some people do use tables and with increasing releases I'm sure 
 Apple will do more to improve accessibility.
 
 I struggled with excel when I had to use jaws, and so can't imagine why 
 there's such praise for the app and the screen reader. Maybe I'll never 
 understand it.
 
 On 21 Apr 2010, at 14:26, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I'm still a bit confused here. What do you guys want in spreadsheets, 
 exactly? I don't get it. I was never a big fan of them, so I wouldn't 
 really know. Why did I not used to be a fan of spreadsheets? I really 
 don't know. I guess I couldn't be bothered using Excel.
 
 As for the rest of it, I love my Mac. The Mac is not a machine to play 
 with. It is an amazing and enjoyable, and very engaging experience. I 
 would say immersive but the fact that would be a 3D experience 
 surrounding the user would sound a bit weird. But that's what it feels 
 like. Even if I only perform the various tasks of writing documents, 
 e-mails and managing files, not to mention browsing the web, it always 
 feels new. I always enjoy doing it, as opposed to doing it on a Windows 
 machine.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
 Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
 Skype: Kvalme
 MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
 AIM: cincinster
 yahoo Messenger: cin368
 Facebook Profile
 My Twitter
 
 On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:15 PM, Dan Roy wrote:
 
 I love my Mac and would never go back to using windows as my main 
 machine.  However,the point about spreadsheets is, unfortunately, a 
 good 1.  I am forced to use windows for spreadsheet work, for now 
 anyway!
 
 
 On Apr 21, 2010, at 3:38 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
 good morning Denise,
 
 I would agree with the others who have replied to this thread stating 
 that the Mac can be used as a productivity tool.  I am a University 
 professor (in the American sense of that word rather than the Uk/Irish 
 meaning) which means I must use my mac to write papers, grade student 
 exams and to carry out other functions.  However, I have not totally 
 abandoned my Dell.  While the word processor in iWork 09 is 
 accessible, I don't like either the

Re: malwear and macs

2010-04-24 Thread tim

Nice, but it also stated that you have to say yes to the install. Unlike
windows 7, it will install without say a thing unless you have active x turned
off. Then using the browser becomes a pain to use.
Also saw the article on snow having builtin virus, and we all see it still
don't have virus protection.
On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:37 PM, marie Howarth wrote:

thought you guys maybe interested in this article.
http://technology.globalthoughtz.com/index.php/a-potential-backdoor-malware-for-mac-identified007/?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed:+globalthoughtzHome+(Global+Thoughtz)

On 20 Apr 2010, at 22:27, James Nash wrote:

Nothing - even UNIX is invulnerable. and as Chris has said, the web is the
big and future target. Perhaps the most dangerous application/opening on a
computer is the system's web browser.

TC
James, Lyn, Nash Twinny
On 20 Apr 2010, at 22:02, Chris Blouch wrote:

OSX being Unix doesn't make it impervious, as recent security updates from
Apple attest to, but it does make it harder. Throw in the small market
share and most malware developers will move on to easier/broader targets
(Windows). That said, an even bigger target is the web which, by design, is
cross platform. So if you're one of those deviant types interested in
trying to break into a system, your time might be better spent doing cross
site scripting or Acrobat exploits than OS-specific hackery. It also
happens that people like to type in credit card numbers and shop over the
web, which doesn't happen much in desktop apps or the OS. So this makes the
web a juicy target for those of nefarious intents.

Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
No, the real reason why it's hard is because osx = unix.

Did the tweet include a link? It might be helpfull to include this so
that we can see what the tweeter was going on about.

On 19/04/2010, Joe Plummer
joeplum...@tds.net
wrote:

That is not the reason for it being hard to get a virus on a Mac. The new
OS
of windows does the same thing. The reason it is hard to get this stuff
on a
Mac is that for now there is no one writing the stuff for the Mac. Because
it is not a big enough market. Now it becoming more and more popular this
might change.

Sign,
Joe Plummer ( JP )

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Subject: Re: malwear and macs

I would't worry about it to much, because the mac will ask you if you want
to install and tell you what is installing.
That is why it is hard to get a virus on a mac now.
On Apr 16, 2010, at 1:34 PM, marie Howarth wrote:

someone just retweeted something about malwear now being able to take
over

macs. If this is true, how does everyone think we should protect our
macs? I
know norton and such programmes are available, but I hated them when I was
on the windows side. One of the reasons I came to the mac was because the
lack of viruses. Do those of you among us with more knowledge than I
possess
on this matter think this is a real threat and what would you do about it?

I'm a pretty frightful mac user right now.

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Re: ocr software

2010-04-24 Thread Ryan Mann

Hello.  Instead of using Vue Scan for the scanning part, why not just use 
Preview?  If you use Snow Leopard, just open preview, then from the file menu, 
go to the import from scanner submenu.  Your scanner should show up in that 
menu.
On Apr 24, 2010, at 9:38 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

 Hello Chad,
 
 On Apr 24, 2010, at 2:15 PM, chad baker wrote:
 what's available for ocr software.
 
 The best for accuracy is Abbyy FineReader Express. Only the Express version 
 is available for Mac but it does a good job. Unfortunately, it doesn't 
 support all scanners, so you may have to use another application for the 
 scanning part.
 
 Then there is ReadIris Pro 12 which is due for an update to correct a bug 
 that prevents the page orientation setting from being retained from one 
 session to the next. It is also difficult to install and not so accurate as 
 Abbyy FineReader.
 
 Finally, there is VueScan which produces beautiful scans but its OCR is 
 mediocre. Neither does it manage page orientation.
 
 I use a combination of VueScan and Abbyy FineReader. I set VueScan to produce 
 TIFF files, and set all TIFF files to open with Abbyy FineReader. This is as 
 close to automation of the process I've been able to come.
 
 I chose TIFF format to avoid problems with my photo library which has only 
 JPEG files in it.
 
 Cheers,
 
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Re: ocr software

2010-04-24 Thread Anne Robertson

Hello Ryan,

On Apr 24, 2010, at 7:47 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:
 Instead of using Vue Scan for the scanning part, why not just use Preview?  
 If you use Snow Leopard, just open preview, then from the file menu, go to 
 the import from scanner submenu.  Your scanner should show up in that menu.
The problem is that both my scanners are made by Canon and ScanGear is 
inaccessible to VoiceOver. VueScan bypasses the necessity to use ScanGear.

In any case, I've got a lifetime license for VueScan and find it convenient to 
use.

Cheers,

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Re: ocr software

2010-04-24 Thread Ryan Mann

Do you have certain things you do to make the Vue Scan interface easier to use? 
 I tried to use it a year ago and it seemed complicated.  I cold have swarn 
that there were a bunch of unknown sections of the interface and I had to 
interact with those sections to find out what they were.
I'm just curious in case I want to use it in the future.

On Apr 24, 2010, at 1:56 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:

 Hello Ryan,
 
 On Apr 24, 2010, at 7:47 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:
 Instead of using Vue Scan for the scanning part, why not just use Preview?  
 If you use Snow Leopard, just open preview, then from the file menu, go to 
 the import from scanner submenu.  Your scanner should show up in that menu.
 The problem is that both my scanners are made by Canon and ScanGear is 
 inaccessible to VoiceOver. VueScan bypasses the necessity to use ScanGear.
 
 In any case, I've got a lifetime license for VueScan and find it convenient 
 to use.
 
 Cheers,
 
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Re: Audio tutorial on how to drag and drop samples into Garageband projects

2010-04-24 Thread Ricardo Walker

Thank you Peggy.

I was afraid I wouldn't make much sense :)
On Apr 23, 2010, at 10:21 PM, Peggy Fleischer wrote:

Very excellent clear and well done podcast. I enjoyed it.

Peggy Fleischer
peggyfleisc...@bellsouth.net

Jude 1:24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to present
you
faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy,
1:25 To God our Savior, Who alone is wise, Be glory and majesty, Dominion
and power, Both now and forever. Amen.

On Apr 19, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

Hello list,

Here is a quick audio tutorial on how to drag and drop apple loops and,
your own samples into a garageband project. I was using Snow leopard with
garageband 5 which is found in iLife 2009. Heres the link to the audio
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5326929/How%20to%20import%20your%20own%20samples%20into%20a%20garageband%20project.mp3

This is only the 2nd time I've done something like this so excuse my
stutters. lol

hth

Re: test driving an iphone?

2010-04-24 Thread Karen Lewellen


Excellent!
Just what I required.
Thanks.
Karen

On Sat, 24 Apr 2010, Scott Howell wrote:


You will want to go read a little and familiarize yourself with the gestures. 
The URL is http://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/vision.html and you can 
have VoiceOver turned on by going to settings, general, accessibility, and then 
VOiceOver. To make it easier for them to turn it on/off, they may wish to 
consider setting the triple home click to toggle VO on/off. SO, no matter how 
difficult the gestures etc. they can return the phone to the standard interface.

On Apr 23, 2010, at 8:48 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:


Hi all,
I just learned today that my mobile phone provider here in Toronto has the 
i-phone.  I want to step into a store and see what it is like.
Any tips, in case the sales person is clueless about the access features?
May as well add a goofy ipad question too.  is everyone using one actually 
using an extra keypad or  does access mean the touch screen?
I know that is a baby question, but since I do not have  an ipad I have not 
followed those threads.
Karen

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Re: test driving an iphone?

2010-04-24 Thread Karen Lewellen

Wow Esther,
Even better and I thank you.
I suspect based on my short phone chat with the cell phone store I will
visit that they are already a tad aware of voiceover and the iphone. the
provider originally given rights to carry the phone in the Toronto area
got some very bad nasty press when one of their reps told a customer that
voiceover did not even exist let alone being apart of the iphone.
Your detailed description plus the combination of links here and in Scott's
note lets me really get a feel for the phone.

Also explains why the term gestures is used. finger flicks indeed.
Should stop in there early part of next week and report.
I asked the ipad question because an uninformed person from another list
insisted that a keypad was required to use it at all...which made little
sense.

Thanks all around,
Karen

On Sat, 24 Apr 2010, Esther wrote:

Hi Karen,

I concur with Scott's suggestions. Before you go to the store to check out
the iPhone, review the section on VoiceOver gestures in the iPhone User's
Guide:

http://help.apple.com/iphone/voiceover/en/
The direct link to the section on VoiceOver is:
http://help.apple.com/iphone/3/voiceover/en/iphddd0db38.html

VoiceOver gets turned on and off in Settings General Accessibility
VoiceOver. I assume the store will have to turn this on for you. Once
you're on that screen, you can do a two finger flick up to have VoiceOver
read out the screen contents. If you want to stop it, tap with two fingers
on the screen. Then you can also navigate to the next item and hear it
announced by flicking right with one finger, or listen to the previous item
by flicking left with one finger through the page.

You'll probably want to change the speaking rate, which is done with a slider
near the bottom of the VoiceOver screen. If you used a two finger flick to
read through to the end of the page, flick left with one finger to get to the
slider, or simply move your finger up from the bottom of the screen to touch
it. Then, flick up (to increase) or down (to decrease) to adjust speaking
rate.

The Settings General Accessibility VoiceOver screen also has a
Practice VoiceOver Gestures area that works like keyboard practice mode:
once you activate it (by double tapping) VoiceOver will announce the gestures
it thinks you made and the associated action (e.g., Flick right; move to
next item). Double tap on the Done button at the top right of the screen
to exit the Practice VoiceOver Gestures area.

Another point: when a button or link has focus (because you've touched it, or
flicked to it), you can double tap anywhere on the screen to activate it.
Also, to go back to reach a previous screen in a tree, you'll generally
double tap a button at the top left of the screen.

So, if you choose to set up the triple-click home as a toggle switch for
VoiceOver, after leaving the VoiceOver Screen by double tapping the
Accessibility button at the top left, flick right until you reach the
Triple-Click Home button (or just move your finger to the bottom of the
screen to touch it), and double-tap. Then, flick right past Off to Toggle
VoiceOver and double tap to select it. You can leave the various
Settings menu screens by simply pressing the Home button at the bottom of
the screen once.

On your iPad question, it should be possible to use the iPad without an
external keypad. However, what's very intriguing is a report from TUAW that
some people were able to use the iPad Camera Kit attachment to hook up a USB
keypad. This doesn't seem to be universal, since some people commented that
they got a USB Device Not Recognized when they tried this, so we don't know
which models this might work with. It may just work as a feature that is not
officially supported. Here's the link to the TUAW article, Dear Aunt TUAW:
Can I use a USB keyboard or headset with my iPad? by Erica Sadun, April 23,
2010:

http://www.tuaw.com/2010/04/23/dear-aunt-tuaw-can-i-use-a-standard-keyboard-or-usb-headset-wit/

HTH

Cheers,

Esther

Karen Lewellen wrote:

Hi all,
I just learned today that my mobile phone provider here in Toronto has the
i-phone. I want to step into a store and see what it is like.

Any tips, in case the sales person is clueless about the access features?
May as well add a goofy ipad question too. is everyone using one actually
using an extra keypad or does access mean the touch screen?
I know that is a baby question, but since I do not have an ipad I have not
followed those threads.

Karen

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Re: ocr software

2010-04-24 Thread Anne Robertson

Hello Ryan,

I wrote a User Guide for VueScan ages ago that explains how to configure it. I 
think it's still on the icanworkthisthing site and the Maccessibility site. It 
shows how to set it to use ReadIris, but you can just change that to Abbyy 
FineReader.

All I have to do when I launch VueScan is decide whether I want to scan just 
one page, or multiple pages. I then press Command-i to do a preview scan, then 
Command-n for each page, or double page of a book, until the last page is 
scanned, when I press Command-g to tell VueScan that I've finished.

I have TIFF files set to always open with Abbyy FineReader, so when VueScan 
finishes, Abbyy FineREader opens.

Cheers,

Anne

On Apr 24, 2010, at 8:03 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:

 Do you have certain things you do to make the Vue Scan interface easier to 
 use?  I tried to use it a year ago and it seemed complicated.  I cold have 
 swarn that there were a bunch of unknown sections of the interface and I had 
 to interact with those sections to find out what they were.
 I'm just curious in case I want to use it in the future.
 
 On Apr 24, 2010, at 1:56 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:
 
 Hello Ryan,
 
 On Apr 24, 2010, at 7:47 PM, Ryan Mann wrote:
 Instead of using Vue Scan for the scanning part, why not just use Preview?  
 If you use Snow Leopard, just open preview, then from the file menu, go to 
 the import from scanner submenu.  Your scanner should show up in that menu.
 The problem is that both my scanners are made by Canon and ScanGear is 
 inaccessible to VoiceOver. VueScan bypasses the necessity to use ScanGear.
 
 In any case, I've got a lifetime license for VueScan and find it convenient 
 to use.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
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Is Alice.app accessible on the Mac with voiceover?

2010-04-24 Thread Jess

Hi all,

I'm interested in learning how to program on the Mac. Is Alice accessible using 
voiceover? If not, can anyone that is efficient at programming recommend an 
accessible programming environment with tutorials for beginners?
Thanks.
Jes

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Re: the apple user?

Mine is. 2 gtigs causes my vm to c hoke every sngle time and the fan to turn on.

stumpped here.
On Apr 23, 2010, at 3:11 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Wow. I suck. These specs clearly show I must update my RAM. I've been using 
 both Windows XP and Windows 7 for months now, only utilizing 512MB of RAM. 
 Surprisingly, it's not anywhere near as slow as everyone says it should be.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
 Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
 Skype: Kvalme
 MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
 AIM: cincinster
 yahoo Messenger: cin368
 Facebook Profile
 My Twitter
 
 On Apr 23, 2010, at 11:56 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
 
 I've got three vm's running in fusion, I don't have them all running at
 once, but I have xp with a 2 core processor and 2 gig ram, windows 7 with
 the same specs, and ubuntu with 1 gig ram and a 2core processor.
 All of them work great. 
 I don't see the point in having more specs setup and then making the system
 slower overall.
 
 
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 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Smart
 Sent: Thursday, 22 April 2010 12:07 p.m.
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: the apple user?
 
 Sarah,
 
 Windows runs best on a VM when you give it the total 3GB of memory that 32
 bit Windows can access, but 3GB is way too much memory to reserve when you
 only have 4GB total in your computer. That leaves only 1GB of memory for
 running OSX, the VMware application itself, plus any other Mac apps that you
 have open. If you choke OSX, then it won't matter how much memory you give
 to the virtual machine.
 
 If you have 4GB of memory in your Mac:
 
 For best performance, use these. For Windows XP, set the memory size to 1GB.
 For Windows 7, set the memory size to 1.5GB. For Windows Vista, set the
 memory size to 2GB, but Vista is such a poor user of memory that you
 shouldn't ever use that for a VM.
 
 If you're trying to run as many virtual machines as possible, you can set
 the memory size to a smaller amount, but, beyond a point, shrinking the
 memory further will really start to affect performance. You can use as
 little as 512MB for XP and 1GB for Windows 7 without dramatically affecting
 performance. They'll still run fairly fast, though not at full speed, and
 they'll start to lag if you open more than a few programs. If you plan to
 use your virtual machine like a full PC, with Outlook, IE, Word, and several
 other programs all open at once, you shouldn't be using these small memory
 values.
 
 People will tell you things like they can run XP with 384MB, or they can run
 Windows 7 with 512MB. Yes, they can, but they will run slower than they
 could with sufficient memory.
 
 In short, there is a minimal level of memory for a VM that is required to
 make it even possible to run without being frustratingly unresponsive.
 Beyond that, there is a level that makes it possible to run a VM without the
 frustrating lags, but you can't open many programs at once, and you're
 missing out on some speed benefits. Further still is the optimal memory
 level, where giving the VM any more memory might improve performance a
 little, but the improvements are negligible. Finally, there is the maximum
 amount of memory that it is possible for a VM to use. The ideal is to give
 the VM as much as it can affectively use, but you can't give it so much that
 OSX doesn't have any left over for itself. In order to get good results, you
 have to work out a balance.
 
 
 For example, I use Win 7 VMs, and I give them 3GB of memory. Win 7 could run
 well with 1.5GB, but, when Windows has a lot of memory available, it uses
 the extra to hold frequently used system files and other application
 components in memory, so that it isn't necessary to spend time loading them
 from the hard drive when needed. I have 8GB of memory in this Mac, so, while
 giving Windows 7 that extra 1.5GB will only help it run fractionally faster,
 I have the memory to spare, so it is better to use the extra memory to do
 what I can to make Windows performance as good as it can be for a VM.
 
 Also, be sure that your VM is only using a single processor core. Even
 though you physical CPU has 2 cores, and it is possible to share both of
 them between the VM and OSX, everything will run in a more stable manner
 with a single core VM. With multiple cores set on the VM, I occasionally get
 choppy speech, and recording audio/audio conferencing tools in Windows don't
 work correctly.
 
 Bryan
 
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 Subject: Re: the apple user?
 
 I ahave a 4 gig dool cor 2.3ghz processer with 4 gigs of ram. jaws and nvda
 studder and are so chopy it missed words and sounds like  diao up
 connection.
 On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:27 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
 
 Huh. What Mac do you have? There's

Re: Mail too slow

actually in my case It will keep telling me a whole slew of rows are added and 
today I just sent out messages meant for yesterday forgetting they were even 
there. I wish mail can't quit with items in the outbox. but I do myself notice 
the slowness.

Take care.
On Apr 23, 2010, at 8:25 AM, Mike Reiser wrote:

 I've seen this issue as well, and also sometimes you can't quit it without it 
 telling you the operation can't be completed.  
 
 Mike
 aim screen name: crhchmiker
 msn screen name: blindgu...@gmail.com
 yahoo screenname: miker19882001
 skype name:miker1988
 twitter:www.twitter.com/archenemy12
 
 On Apr 23, 2010, at 10:08 AM, mani wrote:
 
 Of late, I am finding Mail to be too slow.  When I bring up Mail for
 the first time, it takes more than 10 minutes to get all my new
 messages.  I know it is not my wireless connection because Safari
 works just fine.
 Any ideas why?
 Thanks,
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Re: malwear and macs

lol, I still got viruses with antivirus on windows. But I see what you're
saying. I guess eventually either apple will help protect us from viruses or
we'll have to invest in a third party app. I just hope no viruses or malwear
get me. lol

On 24 Apr 2010, at 19:23, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

Hi,

PSH. Articles. They say it's not there. But really, let's see when Macs get
viruses. And if you're attacked and your Mac does not defend itself, you lose
the battle. And you have to invest in software.

Actually, it's malware protection Mac has. Not antivirus. When downloading
files, Mac OS X 10.6 automatically scans the file in the background for
malware and potential risks. This, of course, does not fall well with the
latest get a Mac ads. They continue to bash PCs for being highly
unreliable, unstable and prone to virus infections of any kind. The ads seem
to indicate that Macs are entirely invulnerable, which is not true with any
operating system regardless of what you are running.

Of course, in order to get a larger market share, Apple has to embellish that
part a little bit to make it more appealing. It's partially true, but, as is
always the case, if Apple went ahead and said Oh yeah, and you hardly get
any viruses! people would be saying something like Well, I have antivirus
on Windows. Of course, then you could start arguing stability and such, but
each to their own!

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On Apr 24, 2010, at 7:33 PM, tim wrote:

Nice, but it also stated that you have to say yes to the install. Unlike
windows 7, it will install without say a thing unless you have active x
turned off. Then using the browser becomes a pain to use.
Also saw the article on snow having builtin virus, and we all see it still
don't have virus protection.
On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:37 PM, marie Howarth wrote:

On 20 Apr 2010, at 22:27, James Nash wrote:

Nothing - even UNIX is invulnerable. and as Chris has said, the web is the
big and future target. Perhaps the most dangerous application/opening on a
computer is the system's web browser.

TC
James, Lyn, Nash Twinny
On 20 Apr 2010, at 22:02, Chris Blouch wrote:

OSX being Unix doesn't make it impervious, as recent security updates
from Apple attest to, but it does make it harder. Throw in the small
market share and most malware developers will move on to easier/broader
targets (Windows). That said, an even bigger target is the web which, by
design, is cross platform. So if you're one of those deviant types
interested in trying to break into a system, your time might be better
spent doing cross site scripting or Acrobat exploits than OS-specific
hackery. It also happens that people like to type in credit card numbers
and shop over the web, which doesn't happen much in desktop apps or the
OS. So this makes the web a juicy target for those of nefarious intents.

Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
No, the real reason why it's hard is because osx = unix.

Did the tweet include a link? It might be helpfull to include this so
that we can see what the tweeter was going on about.

On 19/04/2010, Joe Plummer
joeplum...@tds.net
wrote:

That is not the reason for it being hard to get a virus on a Mac. The
new OS
of windows does the same thing. The reason it is hard to get this stuff
on a
Mac is that for now there is no one writing the stuff for the Mac.
Because
it is not a big enough market. Now it becoming more and more popular
this
might change.

Sign,
Joe Plummer ( JP )

joeplum...@tds.net

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Subject: Re: malwear and macs

I would't worry about it to much, because the mac will ask you if you
want
to install and tell you what is installing.
That is why it is hard to get a virus on a mac now.
On Apr 16, 2010, at 1:34 PM, marie Howarth wrote:

someone just retweeted something about malwear now being able to take
over

macs. If this is true, how does everyone think we should protect our
macs? I
know norton and such programmes are available, but I hated them when I
was
on the windows side. One of the reasons I came to the mac was because
the
lack of viruses. Do those of you among us with more knowledge than I
possess
on this matter think this is a real threat and what would you do about
it?

I'm a pretty frightful mac user right now.

--
You

Re: Mail too slow

maybe some cleaning up needs to be done on your systems? I'm assuming mail has 
cash, not that I pretend to know the ins and outs but I am not seeing the same 
issues. :)

On 24 Apr 2010, at 19:42, Sarah Alawami wrote:

 actually in my case It will keep telling me a whole slew of rows are added 
 and today I just sent out messages meant for yesterday forgetting they were 
 even there. I wish mail can't quit with items in the outbox. but I do myself 
 notice the slowness.
 
 Take care.
 On Apr 23, 2010, at 8:25 AM, Mike Reiser wrote:
 
 I've seen this issue as well, and also sometimes you can't quit it without 
 it telling you the operation can't be completed.  
 
 Mike
 aim screen name: crhchmiker
 msn screen name: blindgu...@gmail.com
 yahoo screenname: miker19882001
 skype name:miker1988
 twitter:www.twitter.com/archenemy12
 
 On Apr 23, 2010, at 10:08 AM, mani wrote:
 
 Of late, I am finding Mail to be too slow.  When I bring up Mail for
 the first time, it takes more than 10 minutes to get all my new
 messages.  I know it is not my wireless connection because Safari
 works just fine.
 Any ideas why?
 Thanks,
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Re: ot: ipad user for a possible article? (fwd)

2010-04-24 Thread Karen Lewellen


Hi all,
John is not on this list, so his follow up did not come through.
I am sure if the story is cleared he will contact those who have written 
to him privately.

Thanks again,
Karen
Message below...


Subject: Re: ot: ipad user for a possible article?

Karen and list members:

Thank you for posting by comment. The idea of this sort of slant for an 
article will have to be okayed by our publisher.


I already received two replies and forwarded those to my fellow writer who is 
working on iPad articles at  http://www.brightsideofnews.com/


Those email addresses should be enough information for our writer and the 
publisher to consider the article idea.


Again, THANKS, for responding.

John O


Karen Lewellen wrote:

 Greetings list,
 My friend John is wondering if anyone here who has and is actively using an
 ipad would be willing to share your experiences with  one of his writers.
 If there is an article it would be published here


 www.thebrightsideofnews.com

 there are some on the ipad there already I understand.
 I am guessing, but am not totally sure that their interest is access, but I
 think it may have a quality usability  and functionality slant too.
 I am including his direct e-mail in the cc field of my post, if you are
 interested write him directly, and if the address does not show, let me know
 and I will connect you.
 Thanks,
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Re: malwear and macs

2010-04-24 Thread John J Herzog

Guys,
One of the tips in the malware article is to protect yourself by preventing
safari from opening safe files after download. This setting can be changed in
Safari's preferences. Basically, it means that disk images are not
automatically mounted, zip files are not unzipped, etc. This makes sure that
nothing is done with the file until you physically click on it in your
downloads folder.
If you are really paranoid about security, perhaps this may be worth looking
into.
John

On Apr 24, 2010, at 2:52 PM, marie Howarth wrote:

On 24 Apr 2010, at 19:23, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

Hi,

PSH. Articles. They say it's not there. But really, let's see when Macs get
viruses. And if you're attacked and your Mac does not defend itself, you
lose the battle. And you have to invest in software.

Of course, in order to get a larger market share, Apple has to embellish
that part a little bit to make it more appealing. It's partially true, but,
as is always the case, if Apple went ahead and said Oh yeah, and you hardly
get any viruses! people would be saying something like Well, I have
antivirus on Windows. Of course, then you could start arguing stability and
such, but each to their own!

Regards,
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On Apr 24, 2010, at 7:33 PM, tim wrote:

Nice, but it also stated that you have to say yes to the install. Unlike
windows 7, it will install without say a thing unless you have active x
turned off. Then using the browser becomes a pain to use.
Also saw the article on snow having builtin virus, and we all see it still
don't have virus protection.
On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:37 PM, marie Howarth wrote:

On 20 Apr 2010, at 22:27, James Nash wrote:

Nothing - even UNIX is invulnerable. and as Chris has said, the web is
the big and future target. Perhaps the most dangerous application/opening
on a computer is the system's web browser.

TC
James, Lyn, Nash Twinny
On 20 Apr 2010, at 22:02, Chris Blouch wrote:

OSX being Unix doesn't make it impervious, as recent security updates
from Apple attest to, but it does make it harder. Throw in the small
market share and most malware developers will move on to easier/broader
targets (Windows). That said, an even bigger target is the web which, by
design, is cross platform. So if you're one of those deviant types
interested in trying to break into a system, your time might be better
spent doing cross site scripting or Acrobat exploits than OS-specific
hackery. It also happens that people like to type in credit card numbers
and shop over the web, which doesn't happen much in desktop apps or the
OS. So this makes the web a juicy target for those of nefarious intents.

Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
No, the real reason why it's hard is because osx = unix.

Did the tweet include a link? It might be helpfull to include this so
that we can see what the tweeter was going on about.

On 19/04/2010, Joe Plummer
joeplum...@tds.net
wrote:

That is not the reason for it being hard to get a virus on a Mac. The
new OS
of windows does the same thing. The reason it is hard to get this
stuff on a
Mac is that for now there is no one writing the stuff for the Mac.
Because
it is not a big enough market. Now it becoming more and more popular
this
might change.

Sign,
Joe Plummer ( JP )

joeplum...@tds.net

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From:
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[
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
] On Behalf Of tim
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 3:45 PM
To:
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Subject: Re: malwear and macs

I would't worry about it to much, because the mac will ask you if you
want
to install and tell you what is installing.
That is why it is hard to get a virus on a mac now.
On Apr 16, 2010, at 1:34 PM, marie Howarth

TUAW's Report on Using a USB keypad or headset through the iPad's Camera Kit Connections


Hi all,

List members may find this report from TUAW of interest: one reader  
was able to use the iPad's Camera Kit USB connector to attach a USB  
keyboard to his iPad and use it to type in text entries.  Another  
reported use of this kit by Glenn Fleishman of TidBITS was to connect  
up his USB headset and Skype a call on his iPad.  The devil may be in  
the details, since at least one other user commenting in the TidBITS  
article mentioned getting a USB device not recognized message when  
trying his USB keyboard.  This isn't the only instance where an  
unannounced feature of an Apple product can be made to do double  
duty.  For example, it's been common to use the USB port of the Apple  
AirPort Express WiFi routers to charge iPods, shuffles, and iPhones,  
dating back to the time of the first generation iPod Shuffle.  This  
apparently only works if you have the older AirPort Express models  
that were designed for 8.0211a/b/g wireless. By contrast, the current  
10 Watt USB Power Adapters for the iPad can be used for charging iPad,  
iPhone, iPod, or Shuffle at the maximum current draw for each of these  
devices (2.1 Amps for iPad, 1 Amp for iPhone or iPod Touch, and 500  
milliAmps for other iPods) according the iLounge review of the iPad  
power adapter.  Incidentally, the maximum current of 500 mA from the  
USB ports of your computer is the reason why your iPhone or iPod Touch  
charges more slowly this way compared to when they are connected to an  
AC outlet, and why some external battery packs that aren't rated at 1  
Amp won't charge your iPhone/iPod Touch very fast.


For more details on the USB keyboard and headset connections through  
the iPad Camera Kit, see Erica Sadun's TUAW article:


• Dear Aunt TUAW: Can I use a USB keyboard or headset with my iPad?  
by Erica Sadun, April 23, 2010:
http://www.tuaw.com/2010/04/23/dear-aunt-tuaw-can-i-use-a-standard-keyboard-or-usb-headset-wit/ 



And for Glen Fleishman's article see:
• iPad USB Camera Adapter Supports Audio Headsets, Too TidBITS,  
April 23, 2010:

http://db.tidbits.com/article/11221

The article also gives a link to his main review of the USB Camera  
Adapter.  If you read through the comments of the latter review of the  
USB Camera Adapter for iPad, you'll find that some users who tried  
connecting USB keyboards to the iPad through the Camera Adapter were  
not able to get their devices recognized.


Finally, the reference that the 10 Watt USB Power Adapter for iPad is  
usable to charge other devices from the iLounge review is: It  
dynamically adjusts its output to the 500mA demanded by iPods, the 1A  
of iPhones, or the 2.1A of iPads from:
• Review: Apple iPad 10W USB Power Adapter by Jeremy Horowitz,  
April 22, 2010:
http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/mobile/reviews/apple-ipad-10w-usb-power-adapter/ 



There are several references to the fact that (older) AirPort Express  
units can be used as USB chargers. (Most of these date from six years  
ago.)  Here's a more recent MacWorld article:

• Charge it on your AirEx by Dan Frakes, April 23, 2009
http://www.macworld.com/article/140166/2009/04/expresscharge.html
Here's a discussion in a forum that indicates the newer AirPort  
Express units may not work for this:

http://gdgt.com/discuss/use-usb-port-to-charge-iphoneipod-vv/

Wow, I see that Josh's post went out while I was typing this up.  So  
the main addition I'd point out here is that not all USB keyboards  
work with the Camera kit, but there's not enough information to tell  
which ones do.


Cheers,

Esther

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Re: malwear and macs

I already have mine set that way. Seems a good plan :)

On 24 Apr 2010, at 20:01, John J Herzog wrote:

On Apr 24, 2010, at 2:52 PM, marie Howarth wrote:

On 24 Apr 2010, at 19:23, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

Hi,

PSH. Articles. They say it's not there. But really, let's see when Macs get
viruses. And if you're attacked and your Mac does not defend itself, you
lose the battle. And you have to invest in software.

Actually, it's malware protection Mac has. Not antivirus. When downloading
files, Mac OS X 10.6 automatically scans the file in the background for
malware and potential risks. This, of course, does not fall well with the
latest get a Mac ads. They continue to bash PCs for being highly
unreliable, unstable and prone to virus infections of any kind. The ads
seem to indicate that Macs are entirely invulnerable, which is not true
with any operating system regardless of what you are running.

Of course, in order to get a larger market share, Apple has to embellish
that part a little bit to make it more appealing. It's partially true, but,
as is always the case, if Apple went ahead and said Oh yeah, and you
hardly get any viruses! people would be saying something like Well, I
have antivirus on Windows. Of course, then you could start arguing
stability and such, but each to their own!

Regards,
Nic
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On Apr 24, 2010, at 7:33 PM, tim wrote:

Nice, but it also stated that you have to say yes to the install. Unlike
windows 7, it will install without say a thing unless you have active x
turned off. Then using the browser becomes a pain to use.
Also saw the article on snow having builtin virus, and we all see it still
don't have virus protection.
On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:37 PM, marie Howarth wrote:

On 20 Apr 2010, at 22:27, James Nash wrote:

Nothing - even UNIX is invulnerable. and as Chris has said, the web is
the big and future target. Perhaps the most dangerous
application/opening on a computer is the system's web browser.

TC
James, Lyn, Nash Twinny
On 20 Apr 2010, at 22:02, Chris Blouch wrote:

OSX being Unix doesn't make it impervious, as recent security updates
from Apple attest to, but it does make it harder. Throw in the small
market share and most malware developers will move on to easier/broader
targets (Windows). That said, an even bigger target is the web which,
by design, is cross platform. So if you're one of those deviant types
interested in trying to break into a system, your time might be better
spent doing cross site scripting or Acrobat exploits than OS-specific
hackery. It also happens that people like to type in credit card
numbers and shop over the web, which doesn't happen much in desktop
apps or the OS. So this makes the web a juicy target for those of
nefarious intents.

Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
No, the real reason why it's hard is because osx = unix.

Did the tweet include a link? It might be helpfull to include this so
that we can see what the tweeter was going on about.

On 19/04/2010, Joe Plummer
joeplum...@tds.net
wrote:

That is not the reason for it being hard to get a virus on a Mac. The
new OS
of windows does the same thing. The reason it is hard to get this
stuff on a
Mac is that for now there is no one writing the stuff for the Mac.
Because
it is not a big enough market. Now it becoming more and more popular
this
might change.

Sign,
Joe Plummer ( JP )

joeplum...@tds.net

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Subject: Re: malwear and macs

I would't worry about it to much, because the mac will ask you if you
want
to install and tell you

switching from windows, some questions?

2010-04-24 Thread Kerie doyle

Hi all, 

I'm a very new mac and voice over user, I just had some questions. 

First, about mail. I have not set up mail yet, as I wanted to ask some
advice. I have a Gmail account, and know from reading, that you may set up
Gmail to work in apple mail using either pop or imap, I'm just wondering,
does it make a difference in terms of voice over, whether I use pop or imap?


Next, are the mail boxes which can be created in apple mail meant to be used
as substitutes for folders like those which can be created in outlook using
windows, say for lists? And if I'm subscribed to many lists, can I, and do
I, need to create rules so the messages from lists go to the mail boxes, and
don't just go to my inbox? 

Next, when it comes to instant messaging, can aidium connect to windows
live, or am I best installing windows live for Mac, which I believe, correct
me if I'm wrong, is available from Microsoft? 

 

And lastly, for now, is there a way to find out the title of a window, like
in jaws for windows? 

 

I hope you all won't mind me asking what could be considered by some as
silly questions, but like I say, I'm very new to apple and voice over, so
just thought someone might give me some advice. 

Thanks for any help in advance, 

Kerie

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Re: Mail too slow

Hi,

I'm not seeing it either. In fact, I'm perplexed.

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On Apr 24, 2010, at 8:57 PM, marie Howarth wrote:

 maybe some cleaning up needs to be done on your systems? I'm assuming mail 
 has cash, not that I pretend to know the ins and outs but I am not seeing the 
 same issues. :)
 
 On 24 Apr 2010, at 19:42, Sarah Alawami wrote:
 
 actually in my case It will keep telling me a whole slew of rows are added 
 and today I just sent out messages meant for yesterday forgetting they were 
 even there. I wish mail can't quit with items in the outbox. but I do myself 
 notice the slowness.
 
 Take care.
 On Apr 23, 2010, at 8:25 AM, Mike Reiser wrote:
 
 I've seen this issue as well, and also sometimes you can't quit it without 
 it telling you the operation can't be completed.  
 
 Mike
 aim screen name: crhchmiker
 msn screen name: blindgu...@gmail.com
 yahoo screenname: miker19882001
 skype name:miker1988
 twitter:www.twitter.com/archenemy12
 
 On Apr 23, 2010, at 10:08 AM, mani wrote:
 
 Of late, I am finding Mail to be too slow.  When I bring up Mail for
 the first time, it takes more than 10 minutes to get all my new
 messages.  I know it is not my wireless connection because Safari
 works just fine.
 Any ideas why?
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Re: malwear and macs

Hi,

I actually have set that setting. Not really because I'm concerned about
malware or other risks, but just because I don't want them to open. That
doesn't mean that I'm not cautious, though. :)

I know Mac OS X scans for malware at least, at least the types that it knows
of. However, I've never had anything dangerous on my system according to Mac OS
X itself, so I'm assuming it'll probably let me know.

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On Apr 24, 2010, at 9:01 PM, John J Herzog wrote:

On Apr 24, 2010, at 2:52 PM, marie Howarth wrote:

On 24 Apr 2010, at 19:23, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

Hi,

PSH. Articles. They say it's not there. But really, let's see when Macs get
viruses. And if you're attacked and your Mac does not defend itself, you
lose the battle. And you have to invest in software.

Actually, it's malware protection Mac has. Not antivirus. When downloading
files, Mac OS X 10.6 automatically scans the file in the background for
malware and potential risks. This, of course, does not fall well with the
latest get a Mac ads. They continue to bash PCs for being highly
unreliable, unstable and prone to virus infections of any kind. The ads
seem to indicate that Macs are entirely invulnerable, which is not true
with any operating system regardless of what you are running.

Of course, in order to get a larger market share, Apple has to embellish
that part a little bit to make it more appealing. It's partially true, but,
as is always the case, if Apple went ahead and said Oh yeah, and you
hardly get any viruses! people would be saying something like Well, I
have antivirus on Windows. Of course, then you could start arguing
stability and such, but each to their own!

Regards,
Nic
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On Apr 24, 2010, at 7:33 PM, tim wrote:

Nice, but it also stated that you have to say yes to the install. Unlike
windows 7, it will install without say a thing unless you have active x
turned off. Then using the browser becomes a pain to use.
Also saw the article on snow having builtin virus, and we all see it still
don't have virus protection.
On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:37 PM, marie Howarth wrote:

On 20 Apr 2010, at 22:27, James Nash wrote:

Nothing - even UNIX is invulnerable. and as Chris has said, the web is
the big and future target. Perhaps the most dangerous
application/opening on a computer is the system's web browser.

TC
James, Lyn, Nash Twinny
On 20 Apr 2010, at 22:02, Chris Blouch wrote:

OSX being Unix doesn't make it impervious, as recent security updates
from Apple attest to, but it does make it harder. Throw in the small
market share and most malware developers will move on to easier/broader
targets (Windows). That said, an even bigger target is the web which,
by design, is cross platform. So if you're one of those deviant types
interested in trying to break into a system, your time might be better
spent doing cross site scripting or Acrobat exploits than OS-specific
hackery. It also happens that people like to type in credit card
numbers and shop over the web, which doesn't happen much in desktop
apps or the OS. So this makes the web a juicy target for those of
nefarious intents.

Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
No, the real reason why it's hard is because osx = unix.

Did the tweet include a link? It might be helpfull to include this so
that we can see what the tweeter was going on about.

On 19/04/2010, Joe Plummer
joeplum...@tds.net
wrote:

my thoughts on vmware fusion and win7

Hello. I have a 15 minute recording deminstrating to the best of my ability 
vmware fusion under 7. this si runing vmware 3. skip over the silent parts if 
you want and sorry about the yucky recording. lol.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/36jkq1

Take care.

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Re: malwear and macs

That's I beieve how it is set by default. someone correct me if I'm wrong.

On Apr 24, 2010, at 12:01 PM, John J Herzog wrote:

On Apr 24, 2010, at 2:52 PM, marie Howarth wrote:

On 24 Apr 2010, at 19:23, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

Hi,

PSH. Articles. They say it's not there. But really, let's see when Macs get
viruses. And if you're attacked and your Mac does not defend itself, you
lose the battle. And you have to invest in software.

Actually, it's malware protection Mac has. Not antivirus. When downloading
files, Mac OS X 10.6 automatically scans the file in the background for
malware and potential risks. This, of course, does not fall well with the
latest get a Mac ads. They continue to bash PCs for being highly
unreliable, unstable and prone to virus infections of any kind. The ads
seem to indicate that Macs are entirely invulnerable, which is not true
with any operating system regardless of what you are running.

Of course, in order to get a larger market share, Apple has to embellish
that part a little bit to make it more appealing. It's partially true, but,
as is always the case, if Apple went ahead and said Oh yeah, and you
hardly get any viruses! people would be saying something like Well, I
have antivirus on Windows. Of course, then you could start arguing
stability and such, but each to their own!

Regards,
Nic
Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
Skype: Kvalme
MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
AIM: cincinster
yahoo Messenger: cin368
Facebook Profile
My Twitter

On Apr 24, 2010, at 7:33 PM, tim wrote:

Nice, but it also stated that you have to say yes to the install. Unlike
windows 7, it will install without say a thing unless you have active x
turned off. Then using the browser becomes a pain to use.
Also saw the article on snow having builtin virus, and we all see it still
don't have virus protection.
On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:37 PM, marie Howarth wrote:

On 20 Apr 2010, at 22:27, James Nash wrote:

Nothing - even UNIX is invulnerable. and as Chris has said, the web is
the big and future target. Perhaps the most dangerous
application/opening on a computer is the system's web browser.

TC
James, Lyn, Nash Twinny
On 20 Apr 2010, at 22:02, Chris Blouch wrote:

OSX being Unix doesn't make it impervious, as recent security updates
from Apple attest to, but it does make it harder. Throw in the small
market share and most malware developers will move on to easier/broader
targets (Windows). That said, an even bigger target is the web which,
by design, is cross platform. So if you're one of those deviant types
interested in trying to break into a system, your time might be better
spent doing cross site scripting or Acrobat exploits than OS-specific
hackery. It also happens that people like to type in credit card
numbers and shop over the web, which doesn't happen much in desktop
apps or the OS. So this makes the web a juicy target for those of
nefarious intents.

Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
No, the real reason why it's hard is because osx = unix.

Did the tweet include a link? It might be helpfull to include this so
that we can see what the tweeter was going on about.

On 19/04/2010, Joe Plummer
joeplum...@tds.net
wrote:

That is not the reason for it being hard to get a virus on a Mac. The
new OS
of windows does the same thing. The reason it is hard to get this
stuff on a
Mac is that for now there is no one writing the stuff for the Mac.
Because
it is not a big enough market. Now it becoming more and more popular
this
might change.

Sign,
Joe Plummer ( JP )

joeplum...@tds.net

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Subject: Re: malwear and macs

I would't worry about it to much, because the mac will ask you if you
want

Re: malwear and macs

Hi,

After installing Snowy without an upgrade, it was set to opening safe files.
That's the default.

Regards,
Nic
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On Apr 24, 2010, at 10:10 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

That's I beieve how it is set by default. someone correct me if I'm wrong.

On Apr 24, 2010, at 12:01 PM, John J Herzog wrote:

Guys,
One of the tips in the malware article is to protect yourself by preventing
safari from opening safe files after download. This setting can be changed
in Safari's preferences. Basically, it means that disk images are not
automatically mounted, zip files are not unzipped, etc. This makes sure that
nothing is done with the file until you physically click on it in your
downloads folder.
If you are really paranoid about security, perhaps this may be worth looking
into.
John

On Apr 24, 2010, at 2:52 PM, marie Howarth wrote:

lol, I still got viruses with antivirus on windows. But I see what you're
saying. I guess eventually either apple will help protect us from viruses
or we'll have to invest in a third party app. I just hope no viruses or
malwear get me. lol

On 24 Apr 2010, at 19:23, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

Hi,

PSH. Articles. They say it's not there. But really, let's see when Macs
get viruses. And if you're attacked and your Mac does not defend itself,
you lose the battle. And you have to invest in software.

Actually, it's malware protection Mac has. Not antivirus. When downloading
files, Mac OS X 10.6 automatically scans the file in the background for
malware and potential risks. This, of course, does not fall well with the
latest get a Mac ads. They continue to bash PCs for being highly
unreliable, unstable and prone to virus infections of any kind. The ads
seem to indicate that Macs are entirely invulnerable, which is not true
with any operating system regardless of what you are running.

Of course, in order to get a larger market share, Apple has to embellish
that part a little bit to make it more appealing. It's partially true,
but, as is always the case, if Apple went ahead and said Oh yeah, and you
hardly get any viruses! people would be saying something like Well, I
have antivirus on Windows. Of course, then you could start arguing
stability and such, but each to their own!

Regards,
Nic
Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
Skype: Kvalme
MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
AIM: cincinster
yahoo Messenger: cin368
Facebook Profile
My Twitter

On Apr 24, 2010, at 7:33 PM, tim wrote:

Nice, but it also stated that you have to say yes to the install. Unlike
windows 7, it will install without say a thing unless you have active x
turned off. Then using the browser becomes a pain to use.
Also saw the article on snow having builtin virus, and we all see it
still don't have virus protection.
On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:37 PM, marie Howarth wrote:

On 20 Apr 2010, at 22:27, James Nash wrote:

Nothing - even UNIX is invulnerable. and as Chris has said, the web is
the big and future target. Perhaps the most dangerous
application/opening on a computer is the system's web browser.

TC
James, Lyn, Nash Twinny
On 20 Apr 2010, at 22:02, Chris Blouch wrote:

OSX being Unix doesn't make it impervious, as recent security updates
from Apple attest to, but it does make it harder. Throw in the small
market share and most malware developers will move on to
easier/broader targets (Windows). That said, an even bigger target is
the web which, by design, is cross platform. So if you're one of those
deviant types interested in trying to break into a system, your time
might be better spent doing cross site scripting or Acrobat exploits
than OS-specific hackery. It also happens that people like to type in
credit card numbers and shop over the web, which doesn't happen much
in desktop apps or the OS. So this makes the web a juicy target for
those of nefarious intents.

Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
No, the real reason why it's hard is because osx = unix.

Did the tweet include a link? It might be helpfull to include this so
that we can see what the tweeter was going on about.

On 19/04/2010, Joe Plummer
joeplum...@tds.net
wrote:

That is not the reason for it being hard to get a virus on a Mac.
The new OS
of windows does the same thing. The reason it is hard to get this
stuff on a
Mac is that for now there is no one writing the stuff for the Mac.
Because
it is not a big enough market. Now it becoming more and more popular
this
might change.

Sign,
Joe Plummer ( JP )

joeplum...@tds.net

Re: New Tech Doctor Podcast


Hi Robert,

I very much enjoyed your Tech Doctor podcast featuring iPad vs. iPod/ 
iPhone formats examining issues like web browsing, and screen layout  
as it affects the user experience.  It occurred to me during the demo  
with Yahoo news, that there may still be advantages to visiting mobile  
versions of web sites (such as Yahoo) as an alternative browsing  
option, even with the extra screen real estate of the iPad. At least,  
that was the premise of apps such as Mobi iNet, which took advantage  
of the fast loading and mobile optimization of the mobile web sites.   
It would be neat to have an option for Safari on the iPad like the  
Developer's Kit menu for regular Safari, where you could identify your  
browser device as an iPhone if you wanted a mobile optimized site.  
Although not necessary for the same reasons (e.g. we're not likely to  
need a workaround to use web sites that block you from using the site  
unless you're using Internet Explorer), it could be quite useful to  
iPad users in general to have such an option.  Say, for example, a 3G- 
iPad user needed to access the web where 3G coverage was poor, and  
wireless networks were not available.  I now link to mobile versions  
of web pages like iLounge, because, even without the complexity and  
load of flash animation ads, it's a much more direct web browsing  
experience.  As we know, in many cases the mobile web site interfaces  
are also more accessible. I'd suggest the option to identify your  
browser as coming from an iPhone (instead of iPad) might be a useful  
feature for the accessibility folks at Apple to consider.


Another area I'm wondering about is whether the new larger screen real  
estate of the iPad has made it easier to get more fine-grained control  
of slider settings for rates, volumes, times in tracks, etc.  This  
would be a welcome benefit, if true.  The experience of audiobook and  
music listening on iPhone and iPod Touch is in some ways not as easy  
to navigate as on the Nano.  Slider controls for other apps could be  
done differently with more screen real estate -- maybe even have  
coarse and fine adjustments, though I think this could be done in a  
more clever way.  A rotor like variable setting would work.


I'd really like to hear more about alternative eBook reading apps, but  
I don't think very many people have these loaded yet.


Thanks for a very nice demo.

Cheers,

Esther
Robert Carter wrote:


Hi All,

I just wanted to announce that Jenny Axler and I have just published  
our second Tech Doctor podcast.


This podcast is entitled Does Size Matter: iPad Versus iPod

The podcast can be found at
http://www.dr-carter.com

Thanks,

Robert Carter

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Re: Mail too slow

2010-04-24 Thread Thierry Renoux

I was having the same problem at first when I started using mail. In fact, the 
Mac was downloading all my old gmail messages in the background. You might 
wanna check the mail activity window with cmd 0. I was surprised to see very 
old messages coming back to me.  
On Apr 24, 2010, at 12:40 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I'm not seeing it either. In fact, I'm perplexed.
 
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 On Apr 24, 2010, at 8:57 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
 
 maybe some cleaning up needs to be done on your systems? I'm assuming mail 
 has cash, not that I pretend to know the ins and outs but I am not seeing 
 the same issues. :)
 
 On 24 Apr 2010, at 19:42, Sarah Alawami wrote:
 
 actually in my case It will keep telling me a whole slew of rows are added 
 and today I just sent out messages meant for yesterday forgetting they were 
 even there. I wish mail can't quit with items in the outbox. but I do 
 myself notice the slowness.
 
 Take care.
 On Apr 23, 2010, at 8:25 AM, Mike Reiser wrote:
 
 I've seen this issue as well, and also sometimes you can't quit it without 
 it telling you the operation can't be completed.  
 
 Mike
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 On Apr 23, 2010, at 10:08 AM, mani wrote:
 
 Of late, I am finding Mail to be too slow.  When I bring up Mail for
 the first time, it takes more than 10 minutes to get all my new
 messages.  I know it is not my wireless connection because Safari
 works just fine.
 Any ideas why?
 Thanks,
 mani
 
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Extracting EXE files on the Mac -- URGENT!!!

2010-04-24 Thread Rob Lambert

If I have to, I'll use a PC, but I first wanted to know what software there
was (preferably free) that will allow me to run EXE files on my Mac without
having to get a VM (virtual machine) up and running. I have to have this
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Re: Extracting EXE files on the Mac -- URGENT!!!

2010-04-24 Thread Ben Mustill-Rose

Your not going to get an answer with out a vm.

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 If I have to, I'll use a PC, but I first wanted to know what software there
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Re: Extracting EXE files on the Mac -- URGENT!!!