Re: Garageband 10, any tutorial or podcast.

[Gabriele Battaglia]

if you want we can sudy together, i know some know. message me on skype 
dionipher


GB: with pleasure. My Skypename is gabriel_battaglia

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Re: Stability of the Mac

[Devin Prater]

Hmm, everything? Have you found a MUD client of the likes of Mush-z, that is 
free? Also, there are very few games for the blind on mac, although I must 
honestly say I don't play many games on Windows anyway, lol. 

Sent from my iPod

> On Apr 1, 2014, at 23:31, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Yes, you can even reinstall your operating system completely without sighted 
> help, this is something windows does not provide. If someone offered me a 
> windows PC for free, I would say, thanks, but no thanks. the mac does 
> everything I need, and does it better than windows.
>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 4:23 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>> 
>> All I have to say is that Mac is much much more stable than Windows with a 
>> screen reader. If things go wrong, I rarely feel I'm out of control. I am 
>> very rarely left in the middle of doing something without speech whereas on 
>> Windows it was and still is a frequent occurrence.  I feel much more in 
>> control on my Mac.  
>> 
>> Andrew
>>> On 1 Apr 2014, at 20:21, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jenine, I can basically echo what you say. I was a windows user from the 
>>> windows 95 os. In fact, I worked for Microsoft for three years and so had 
>>> to believe in something that provided me with my bread and butter, and of 
>>> course, chocolate. (grin) However, I could crash any windows system with 
>>> great ease. Some of it is the OS itself, which, although it is better in 
>>> versions 7 and 8, still has more crashing issues than Mac. Some of it, 
>>> probably most of it, is due to the fact the the screen reading software is 
>>> separate from the os. this has always caused instability and i don't see 
>>> that changing any time soon.
>>> 
>>> When it comes to iOS, there's no contest in my oppinion. Talks and Mobile 
>>> speaks and anything else is just so much more fickle than is the iOS. I, 
>>> and lots of people i know, struggled constantly with crashes and lock-ups 
>>> and having to turn the phone on and off a great number of times even in a 
>>> day.
>>> 
>>> I am very happy with both mac os and ios platforms andwould not want to 
>>> give them up.
>>> 
>>> . on apr 1, 2014, at 2:26 pm, jenine stanley  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> this is an interesting question. from just an average user point of view, i 
>>> have been using my macbook pro since early february and use a windows 
>>> laptop for work. they literally sit side by side on my desk. 
>>> 
>>> i had used the iphone since 2011 so was sort of familiar with how voiceover 
>>> works and love it on the ios platform that said, it's very different on the 
>>> mac or os side. 
>>> 
>>> speaking first to stability, i managed to crash the mbp twice in the first 
>>> week but literally have not made the speech stop since then. has my mbp 
>>> slowed down or acted strangely a few times without explanation? yes, but 
>>> it's come back to its original performance soon after these fits. 
>>> 
>>> my windows machine frequently hangs up both in the operating system in 
>>> general and because of screen reader/video issues. outlook is really bad 
>>> about this and i usually have to reboot at least once a day. yes, i 
>>> maintain my windows machine well with weekly cleaning and such but ... 
>>> 
>>> the one thing that you will find difficult at first but which, if you 
>>> continue to plug away at it will soon become second nature, is the whole 
>>> concept of interacting with things. i hated it at first and still am not 
>>> fond of it. unlike the ios realm, you have to take an extra step to access 
>>> some things using voice over. once you get used to it though and combine 
>>> quick nav with the regular vo operation, and ask this list a ton of stupid 
>>> questions, :) you'll be fine. 
>>> 
>>> i really like the variety of quality voices available with vo too. it's 
>>> fast and responsive. i'm sold. be sure though to give yourself some time 
>>> and be patient. beprepared to read over and over any and all instructions, 
>>> podcasts and other things about switching, commands and apps. 
>>> jenine stanley
>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> on apr 1, 2014, at 2:14 pm, scott rumery  wrote:
>>> 
>>> hello scott,
>>> 
>>> you will probably get a lot of varying opinions on this topic so you will 
>>> have to decide which ones you will take seriously or not. having said this 
>>> let me first tell you that ever since i switched to using a mac more than 3 
>>> years ago i have become probably one of the biggest apple fan boys that 
>>> there is, so my thoughts on this subject are going to have a strong apple 
>>> bias to them.
>>> 
>>> if you are wanting a computing environment  that is very stable compared  
>>> to what you are currently getting on the windows platform then in my 
>>> opinion you would be very happy with a mac.
>>> 
>>> the instability of my windows computer is exactly what helped me to make 
>>> the decision to make the switch over 3 years ago.
>>> 
>>> i used to have to restart my windows computer 

Re: Stability of the Mac

[Josh Gregory]

That's true, I can definitely see your point there, and something I admit I 
didn't really think of.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:53 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
> Yes, but there are some folks who could get by with an IOS device only. If 
> you do wanted BARD, email, and the ability to write text files, you could 
> very easily just use your iPhone, maybe with a keyboard. I know a blind gal 
> right now that, if she got a computer, would be better off with an iPhone 
> instead of what she might be about to do because somebody is talking her into 
> it. 
> 
> There is an organization here in Texas that gives away Windows computers to 
> blind people. Sounds real good right? The only thing is that they are giving 
> these computers to blind people that are unable to get them through the state 
> and in most cases, as far as I can tell, usually people with very low income. 
> However, there's no training, and they are giving them to people, for the 
> most part, who know nothing about computers. They come right out and say that 
> you have to have someone on hand to help you learn your system because they 
> don't do it. The other thing they do is to put the demo version of WindowEyes 
> in the computer, and then the receivers of these computers that they will 
> need to get WindowEyes when the time runs out. 
> 
> My friend is considering this, and I told her to make sure that the person 
> that was helping her get this computer was going to hebbp her later, and I 
> warned her about getting WindowEyes later. She could NVDA in there, but then 
> she would have to to learn a new screen reader, and this lady knows just 
> about nothing concerning computers. I'm glad she told me she was thinking 
> about it. 
> 
> If she were to get an IOS device, she wouldn't have this problem. In fact, 
> she wouldn't have this problem if this same organization would figure out a 
> way to give some of these people Macs. At least they wouldn't have to get 
> screen reader software later. I recently heard a talk given by a 
> representative of this organization, and I asked him if they would be 
> receptive to other computers. He said yes, but then he sort blew off my 
> concerns when I started to mention the issues above. 
> 
> Regards, 
> Gigi 
> 
>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 8:08 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, If I may, and no disrespect, but a computer is still needed for some 
>> things that a tablet or smart phone cannot currently do. Having said that, I 
>> will give you that these devices can do a heck of a lot more than they could 
>> several years ago.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 9:12 PM, erik burggraaf  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I find my mac more stable than pc's although I so seldome use a pc these 
>>> days and the ones I do use are tweaked down so they perform really well.
>>> 
>>> I've been using a mack for 6 years now and have no reason to prefer a PC 
>>> these days.  Having said that, this will be my last ever mac.  When it is 
>>> ready to move on in another couple of years, the personal computer itself 
>>> will be on the longtail and it just won't make any sense to invest in 
>>> another personal computer, mac or PC.  In fact, an increasing number of my 
>>> clients are just as effective on a tablet or smart phone as they are on a 
>>> computer, and it meets all of their day to day computing needs very well, 
>>> including: email, web browsing, web applications such as apps and mobile 
>>> banking, OCR reading, bar code identification diabetes and other medical 
>>> monitoring, non-verbal communication, literature access in braille, large 
>>> print and audio, and more.  The world of office tasks has now opened up to 
>>> us using IOS 7 and android 4.4.  Several printing solutions are accessible 
>>> including the samsung one that I am currently using.  Simple audio 
>>> production tasks are viable.  And we have access to features that aren't 
>>> really viable on pc's such as security systems management, and GPS 
>>> navigation.  Soon we'll have micro-location support and many other 
>>> opportunities that will encourage us to leave the desktop/laptop world 
>>> behind.  It may behoove you to simply invest more time learning IOS and 
>>> picking up apps and accessories that enrich your experience in the mobile 
>>> world, rather than investing in a switch to an expensive new technology 
>>> that will be obsolete in three years.  We are just now stepping inside the 
>>> time frame where cost vs efficiency of PC systems is about to become a 
>>> serious concern in the consumer market.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Erik Burggraaf
>>> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
>>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>>> 
 On 2014-04-01, at 5:24 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
 
 I find the mac to be very stable, certainly far less problems than with 
 windows. It's not perfect, no platform is, but I have 3 macs and have no 
 desire to switch back to a PC.

Re: Stability of the Mac

[Josh Gregory]

The point I was going to make, which I guess doesn't make any sense now… Is 
that if it were a standard format you could use something like  music converter 
Pro to convert it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 2, 2014, at 12:50 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> Humanware should have developed a tool for the mac, or, better yet, it should 
> have used mp3 in the first place instead of a nonstandard format.
>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:40 PM, Kerri  wrote:
>> 
>> the only thing I wish the mac would do--and this is no fault of the mac--is 
>> have the ability to convert the notes from a victor reader stream so I don't 
>> have to use humanWare companion.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 9:31 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, you can even reinstall your operating system completely without 
>>> sighted help, this is something windows does not provide. If someone 
>>> offered me a windows PC for free, I would say, thanks, but no thanks. the 
>>> mac does everything I need, and does it better than windows.
 On Apr 1, 2014, at 4:23 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
 
 All I have to say is that Mac is much much more stable than Windows with a 
 screen reader. If things go wrong, I rarely feel I'm out of control. I am 
 very rarely left in the middle of doing something without speech whereas 
 on Windows it was and still is a frequent occurrence.  I feel much more in 
 control on my Mac.  
 
 Andrew
> On 1 Apr 2014, at 20:21, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:
> 
> Jenine, I can basically echo what you say. I was a windows user from the 
> windows 95 os. In fact, I worked for Microsoft for three years and so had 
> to believe in something that provided me with my bread and butter, and of 
> course, chocolate. (grin) However, I could crash any windows system with 
> great ease. Some of it is the OS itself, which, although it is better in 
> versions 7 and 8, still has more crashing issues than Mac. Some of it, 
> probably most of it, is due to the fact the the screen reading software 
> is separate from the os. this has always caused instability and i don't 
> see that changing any time soon.
> 
> When it comes to iOS, there's no contest in my oppinion. Talks and Mobile 
> speaks and anything else is just so much more fickle than is the iOS. I, 
> and lots of people i know, struggled constantly with crashes and lock-ups 
> and having to turn the phone on and off a great number of times even in a 
> day.
> 
> I am very happy with both mac os and ios platforms andwould not want to 
> give them up.
> 
> . on apr 1, 2014, at 2:26 pm, jenine stanley  
> wrote:
> 
> this is an interesting question. from just an average user point of view, 
> i have been using my macbook pro since early february and use a windows 
> laptop for work. they literally sit side by side on my desk. 
> 
> i had used the iphone since 2011 so was sort of familiar with how 
> voiceover works and love it on the ios platform that said, it's very 
> different on the mac or os side. 
> 
> speaking first to stability, i managed to crash the mbp twice in the 
> first week but literally have not made the speech stop since then. has my 
> mbp slowed down or acted strangely a few times without explanation? yes, 
> but it's come back to its original performance soon after these fits. 
> 
> my windows machine frequently hangs up both in the operating system in 
> general and because of screen reader/video issues. outlook is really bad 
> about this and i usually have to reboot at least once a day. yes, i 
> maintain my windows machine well with weekly cleaning and such but ... 
> 
> the one thing that you will find difficult at first but which, if you 
> continue to plug away at it will soon become second nature, is the whole 
> concept of interacting with things. i hated it at first and still am not 
> fond of it. unlike the ios realm, you have to take an extra step to 
> access some things using voice over. once you get used to it though and 
> combine quick nav with the regular vo operation, and ask this list a ton 
> of stupid questions, :) you'll be fine. 
> 
> i really like the variety of quality voices available with vo too. it's 
> fast and responsive. i'm sold. be sure though to give yourself some time 
> and be patient. beprepared to read over and over any and all 
> instructions, podcasts and other things about switching, commands and 
> apps. 
> jenine stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> on apr 1, 2014, at 2:14 pm, scott rumery  wrote:
> 
> hello scott,
> 
> you will probably get a lot of varying opinions on this topic so you will 
> have to decide which ones you will take seriously or not. having said 
> this let me first tell you that ever since i switched to u

Re: Experiences with Canvas, the Learning Management platform?

[Mike Busboom]

This is fantastic news, Alberto.  Yesterday was my birthday, and you couldn't 
have given me a nicer birthday present!

Were you able to participate in online discussion threads and the like, and how 
well did the testing modules work?

If nobody else responds to my inquiries, I will contact you off-list  with a 
few more questions, if you don't mind.

Kindest regards from Vienna, Austria,

Mike

On 1,Apr,2014, at 4:02 PM, alberto  wrote:

> Hi, I have used it on the mac many times since the college I attend has it, 
> and it is completely accessible.  I have not tried the apps so can't give you 
> an answer on that.
> On Apr 1, 2014, at 6:37 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
>> My school uses it for any class that wants it. Currently, history is the 
>> only class that has stepped forward to try it. It works fairly well, 
>> actually. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPod
>> 
>>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 7:24, Mike Busboom  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> Has anyone ever used a Learning Management platform called Canvas?  If so, 
>>> can you tell me how usable it is from an accessibility standpoint?  Will it 
>>> work well with Safari on the Mac?  Instructure, the company that produces 
>>> canvas has also created apps for the iPad.  How usable are they?
>>> 
>>> My gratitude as always,
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
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Productivity Software on the Mac

[Scott Duck]

Hi Everyone,

 

OK, so far, so good.  It sounds like OSX is about as stable as IOS, which is
what I had hoped.

 

My next question regarding the Mac involves productivity.  How well does
VoiceOver do with word processing and spreadsheets?

 

It is my understanding that Text Edit is very accessible.  Is this correct?
What about Pages?  Spell check is very cumbersome on IOS if you are working
with a large document.  I assume that spell check is better on the Mac.  Is
it?

 

I am also very interested in Numbers.  I do a lot of work with spreadsheets.
Numbers for IOS is better than it used to be but, in terms of using it with
VoiceOver, it's still rather cumbersome and not all that great if you have
much work to do.  Is Numbers for the Mac better?  

 

Thanks,

Scott Duck

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Re: Productivity Software on the Mac

[Chris Apple boy]

Hi Scott and all
All I can say is I really like both TextEdit and Pages on my Macbook Pro 
2012 model. Numbers for the mac I plan to get in the near future as well 
as Keynote which is Apple's answer to Microsoft PowerPoint. I've heard 
great things though about the latest Numbers and Keynote all of which 
sound promising.


Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 02/04/2014 11:58, Scott Duck wrote:

Hi Everyone,



OK, so far, so good.  It sounds like OSX is about as stable as IOS, which is
what I had hoped.



My next question regarding the Mac involves productivity.  How well does
VoiceOver do with word processing and spreadsheets?



It is my understanding that Text Edit is very accessible.  Is this correct?
What about Pages?  Spell check is very cumbersome on IOS if you are working
with a large document.  I assume that spell check is better on the Mac.  Is
it?



I am also very interested in Numbers.  I do a lot of work with spreadsheets.
Numbers for IOS is better than it used to be but, in terms of using it with
VoiceOver, it's still rather cumbersome and not all that great if you have
much work to do.  Is Numbers for the Mac better?



Thanks,

Scott Duck



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Re: Productivity Software on the Mac

[Devin Prater]

Hi all. I have pages now, and I do like it. I kinda wish VO would announce a 
heading as a heading and not just as bold 18 pt, unless, that's all a heading 
is. 
On Apr 2, 2014, at 6:14 AM, Chris Apple boy  wrote:

> Hi Scott and all
> All I can say is I really like both TextEdit and Pages on my Macbook Pro 2012 
> model. Numbers for the mac I plan to get in the near future as well as 
> Keynote which is Apple's answer to Microsoft PowerPoint. I've heard great 
> things though about the latest Numbers and Keynote all of which sound 
> promising.
> 
> Regards Chris
> 
> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
> 
> On 02/04/2014 11:58, Scott Duck wrote:
>> Hi Everyone,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> OK, so far, so good.  It sounds like OSX is about as stable as IOS, which is
>> what I had hoped.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My next question regarding the Mac involves productivity.  How well does
>> VoiceOver do with word processing and spreadsheets?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It is my understanding that Text Edit is very accessible.  Is this correct?
>> What about Pages?  Spell check is very cumbersome on IOS if you are working
>> with a large document.  I assume that spell check is better on the Mac.  Is
>> it?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I am also very interested in Numbers.  I do a lot of work with spreadsheets.
>> Numbers for IOS is better than it used to be but, in terms of using it with
>> VoiceOver, it's still rather cumbersome and not all that great if you have
>> much work to do.  Is Numbers for the Mac better?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Scott Duck
>> 
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Re: Productivity Software on the Mac

[Josh Gregory]

The one thing I don't like about it is that it does not support Rich text 
format files, this may seem a little picky but I think that a word processor 
such as pages should at least be able to support what I think is a pretty basic 
file format.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 2, 2014, at 7:45 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Hi all. I have pages now, and I do like it. I kinda wish VO would announce a 
> heading as a heading and not just as bold 18 pt, unless, that's all a heading 
> is. 
>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 6:14 AM, Chris Apple boy  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott and all
>> All I can say is I really like both TextEdit and Pages on my Macbook Pro 
>> 2012 model. Numbers for the mac I plan to get in the near future as well as 
>> Keynote which is Apple's answer to Microsoft PowerPoint. I've heard great 
>> things though about the latest Numbers and Keynote all of which sound 
>> promising.
>> 
>> Regards Chris
>> 
>> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
>> 
>>> On 02/04/2014 11:58, Scott Duck wrote:
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> OK, so far, so good.  It sounds like OSX is about as stable as IOS, which is
>>> what I had hoped.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> My next question regarding the Mac involves productivity.  How well does
>>> VoiceOver do with word processing and spreadsheets?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It is my understanding that Text Edit is very accessible.  Is this correct?
>>> What about Pages?  Spell check is very cumbersome on IOS if you are working
>>> with a large document.  I assume that spell check is better on the Mac.  Is
>>> it?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I am also very interested in Numbers.  I do a lot of work with spreadsheets.
>>> Numbers for IOS is better than it used to be but, in terms of using it with
>>> VoiceOver, it's still rather cumbersome and not all that great if you have
>>> much work to do.  Is Numbers for the Mac better?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Scott Duck
>> 
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Re: Productivity Software on the Mac

[Matt Dierckens]

Textedit will support RTF and so will pages. With pages you just can't write in 
RTF.

Matt Dierckens
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On Apr 2, 2014, at 7:59 AM, Josh Gregory  wrote:

> The one thing I don't like about it is that it does not support Rich text 
> format files, this may seem a little picky but I think that a word processor 
> such as pages should at least be able to support what I think is a pretty 
> basic file format.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 7:45 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all. I have pages now, and I do like it. I kinda wish VO would announce a 
>> heading as a heading and not just as bold 18 pt, unless, that's all a 
>> heading is. 
>>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 6:14 AM, Chris Apple boy  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Scott and all
>>> All I can say is I really like both TextEdit and Pages on my Macbook Pro 
>>> 2012 model. Numbers for the mac I plan to get in the near future as well as 
>>> Keynote which is Apple's answer to Microsoft PowerPoint. I've heard great 
>>> things though about the latest Numbers and Keynote all of which sound 
>>> promising.
>>> 
>>> Regards Chris
>>> 
>>> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
>>> 
 On 02/04/2014 11:58, Scott Duck wrote:
 Hi Everyone,
 
 
 
 OK, so far, so good.  It sounds like OSX is about as stable as IOS, which 
 is
 what I had hoped.
 
 
 
 My next question regarding the Mac involves productivity.  How well does
 VoiceOver do with word processing and spreadsheets?
 
 
 
 It is my understanding that Text Edit is very accessible.  Is this correct?
 What about Pages?  Spell check is very cumbersome on IOS if you are working
 with a large document.  I assume that spell check is better on the Mac.  Is
 it?
 
 
 
 I am also very interested in Numbers.  I do a lot of work with 
 spreadsheets.
 Numbers for IOS is better than it used to be but, in terms of using it with
 VoiceOver, it's still rather cumbersome and not all that great if you have
 much work to do.  Is Numbers for the Mac better?
 
 
 
 Thanks,
 
 Scott Duck
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Re: Productivity Software on the Mac

[Josh Gregory]

Weird, there was one format I know it said it couldn't support and I'm pretty 
sure it was RTF. Maybe I was wrong.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 2, 2014, at 8:06 AM, Matt Dierckens  wrote:
> 
> Textedit will support RTF and so will pages. With pages you just can't write 
> in RTF.
> 
> Matt Dierckens
> Macintosh Trainer
> Blind Access Training
> www.blindaccesstraining.com
> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 7:59 AM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>> 
>> The one thing I don't like about it is that it does not support Rich text 
>> format files, this may seem a little picky but I think that a word processor 
>> such as pages should at least be able to support what I think is a pretty 
>> basic file format.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 7:45 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all. I have pages now, and I do like it. I kinda wish VO would announce 
>>> a heading as a heading and not just as bold 18 pt, unless, that's all a 
>>> heading is. 
 On Apr 2, 2014, at 6:14 AM, Chris Apple boy  
 wrote:
 
 Hi Scott and all
 All I can say is I really like both TextEdit and Pages on my Macbook Pro 
 2012 model. Numbers for the mac I plan to get in the near future as well 
 as Keynote which is Apple's answer to Microsoft PowerPoint. I've heard 
 great things though about the latest Numbers and Keynote all of which 
 sound promising.
 
 Regards Chris
 
 Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
 
> On 02/04/2014 11:58, Scott Duck wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> 
> 
> OK, so far, so good.  It sounds like OSX is about as stable as IOS, which 
> is
> what I had hoped.
> 
> 
> 
> My next question regarding the Mac involves productivity.  How well does
> VoiceOver do with word processing and spreadsheets?
> 
> 
> 
> It is my understanding that Text Edit is very accessible.  Is this 
> correct?
> What about Pages?  Spell check is very cumbersome on IOS if you are 
> working
> with a large document.  I assume that spell check is better on the Mac.  
> Is
> it?
> 
> 
> 
> I am also very interested in Numbers.  I do a lot of work with 
> spreadsheets.
> Numbers for IOS is better than it used to be but, in terms of using it 
> with
> VoiceOver, it's still rather cumbersome and not all that great if you have
> much work to do.  Is Numbers for the Mac better?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Scott Duck
 
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Re: New to the List

[Becky]

Hi Scott
I have had my Mack for a year and I love it.
There are no dum questions.
Becky Sabo

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On Apr 1, 2014, at 7:15 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
wrote:

Welcome,
I've had my Macbook Pro for 4 years now. It is very stable.
> On Apr 1, 2014, at 8:43 AM, Scott Duck  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> 
> 
> I just joined the list.  I do not have a Mac.  I have been a JAWS user for
> about 17 years.  I am getting tired of the increasing instability of JAWS
> and Windows in general.  I am thinking about getting a mac but, before I put
> down that kind of money, I want to find out a little more about what I would
> be getting into.  I am familiar with the IOS version of VoiceOver.  I have a
> iPhone, a iPad, and two Apple TVs.  I have been very impressed with the
> performance and stability of those devices and it is mostly this that has
> gotten me interested in the possibility of switching to the Mac.  As I do
> not have a Mac, I may ask some questions that seem rather obvious to all you
> Mac users but please bear with me.  I have a feeling that, eventually, I
> will be a Mac user too.
> 
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> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Re: Productivity Software on the Mac

[Matt Dierckens]

Well I see you're right. You can only export files to word, PDF, epub, Pages 
09, and text.
I do know that textedit can do RTF.

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Blind Access Training
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On Apr 2, 2014, at 8:12 AM, Josh Gregory  wrote:

> Weird, there was one format I know it said it couldn't support and I'm pretty 
> sure it was RTF. Maybe I was wrong.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 2, 2014, at 8:06 AM, Matt Dierckens  wrote:
> 
>> Textedit will support RTF and so will pages. With pages you just can't write 
>> in RTF.
>> 
>> Matt Dierckens
>> Macintosh Trainer
>> Blind Access Training
>> www.blindaccesstraining.com
>> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 7:59 AM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>> 
>>> The one thing I don't like about it is that it does not support Rich text 
>>> format files, this may seem a little picky but I think that a word 
>>> processor such as pages should at least be able to support what I think is 
>>> a pretty basic file format.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Apr 2, 2014, at 7:45 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
 
 Hi all. I have pages now, and I do like it. I kinda wish VO would announce 
 a heading as a heading and not just as bold 18 pt, unless, that's all a 
 heading is. 
> On Apr 2, 2014, at 6:14 AM, Chris Apple boy  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott and all
> All I can say is I really like both TextEdit and Pages on my Macbook Pro 
> 2012 model. Numbers for the mac I plan to get in the near future as well 
> as Keynote which is Apple's answer to Microsoft PowerPoint. I've heard 
> great things though about the latest Numbers and Keynote all of which 
> sound promising.
> 
> Regards Chris
> 
> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
> 
>> On 02/04/2014 11:58, Scott Duck wrote:
>> Hi Everyone,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> OK, so far, so good.  It sounds like OSX is about as stable as IOS, 
>> which is
>> what I had hoped.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My next question regarding the Mac involves productivity.  How well does
>> VoiceOver do with word processing and spreadsheets?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It is my understanding that Text Edit is very accessible.  Is this 
>> correct?
>> What about Pages?  Spell check is very cumbersome on IOS if you are 
>> working
>> with a large document.  I assume that spell check is better on the Mac.  
>> Is
>> it?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I am also very interested in Numbers.  I do a lot of work with 
>> spreadsheets.
>> Numbers for IOS is better than it used to be but, in terms of using it 
>> with
>> VoiceOver, it's still rather cumbersome and not all that great if you 
>> have
>> much work to do.  Is Numbers for the Mac better?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Scott Duck
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Re: Productivity Software on the Mac

[Josh Gregory]

Yes that's correct. However, oddly enough, pages cannot open PDF files, only 
export to them.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 2, 2014, at 8:20 AM, Matt Dierckens  wrote:
> 
> Well I see you're right. You can only export files to word, PDF, epub, Pages 
> 09, and text.
> I do know that textedit can do RTF.
> 
> Matt Dierckens
> Macintosh Trainer
> Blind Access Training
> www.blindaccesstraining.com
> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 8:12 AM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>> 
>> Weird, there was one format I know it said it couldn't support and I'm 
>> pretty sure it was RTF. Maybe I was wrong.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 8:06 AM, Matt Dierckens  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Textedit will support RTF and so will pages. With pages you just can't 
>>> write in RTF.
>>> 
>>> Matt Dierckens
>>> Macintosh Trainer
>>> Blind Access Training
>>> www.blindaccesstraining.com
>>> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 2, 2014, at 7:59 AM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
 
 The one thing I don't like about it is that it does not support Rich text 
 format files, this may seem a little picky but I think that a word 
 processor such as pages should at least be able to support what I think is 
 a pretty basic file format.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Apr 2, 2014, at 7:45 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Hi all. I have pages now, and I do like it. I kinda wish VO would 
> announce a heading as a heading and not just as bold 18 pt, unless, 
> that's all a heading is. 
>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 6:14 AM, Chris Apple boy  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott and all
>> All I can say is I really like both TextEdit and Pages on my Macbook Pro 
>> 2012 model. Numbers for the mac I plan to get in the near future as well 
>> as Keynote which is Apple's answer to Microsoft PowerPoint. I've heard 
>> great things though about the latest Numbers and Keynote all of which 
>> sound promising.
>> 
>> Regards Chris
>> 
>> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
>> 
>>> On 02/04/2014 11:58, Scott Duck wrote:
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> OK, so far, so good.  It sounds like OSX is about as stable as IOS, 
>>> which is
>>> what I had hoped.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> My next question regarding the Mac involves productivity.  How well does
>>> VoiceOver do with word processing and spreadsheets?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It is my understanding that Text Edit is very accessible.  Is this 
>>> correct?
>>> What about Pages?  Spell check is very cumbersome on IOS if you are 
>>> working
>>> with a large document.  I assume that spell check is better on the Mac. 
>>>  Is
>>> it?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I am also very interested in Numbers.  I do a lot of work with 
>>> spreadsheets.
>>> Numbers for IOS is better than it used to be but, in terms of using it 
>>> with
>>> VoiceOver, it's still rather cumbersome and not all that great if you 
>>> have
>>> much work to do.  Is Numbers for the Mac better?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Scott Duck
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Editor for Python

[Gabriele Battaglia]

Good morning everyone.

I'm looking for a good editor to write my Python scripts?

I tried Python Runner and TextMate, they work but I just wonder if somebody 
knows something more advanced, like a real IDE.


Thanks for info.

Gabriel. 


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Re: Editor for Python

[isaac]

Are you trying to find
 a python editor for windows or mac?On Apr 2, 2014, at 7:30 AM, Gabriele 
Battaglia  wrote:

> Good morning everyone.
> 
> I'm looking for a good editor to write my Python scripts?
> 
> I tried Python Runner and TextMate, they work but I just wonder if somebody 
> knows something more advanced, like a real IDE.
> 
> Thanks for info.
> 
> Gabriel. 
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using virtual box

[Devin Prater]

Hi all. I'm on my mac, trying to get virtual box to work. I went to the 
terminal, and navigated to the folder of the VM, and typed virtual box then the 
name of the vm, the filename that is, and nothing seems to work, just a virtual 
box window. What can I do, or will I have to buy a product I'll rarely use?

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Re: using virtual box

[Josh Gregory]

Unfortunately, you'll have to buy it, something like  VMware fusion, virtual 
box is not accessible.

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> 
> Hi all. I'm on my mac, trying to get virtual box to work. I went to the 
> terminal, and navigated to the folder of the VM, and typed virtual box then 
> the name of the vm, the filename that is, and nothing seems to work, just a 
> virtual box window. What can I do, or will I have to buy a product I'll 
> rarely use?
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Re: Editor for Python

[Gabriele Battaglia]

From: "isaac" 



Are you trying to find
a python editor for windows or mac?


GB: For Mac.

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Waking up a virtual machine

[Bill Holton]

Hi.

Using Windows 7 64 bit in a VM Fusion virtual machine, whenever I walk away
from it for more than an hour or so, I have a devil of a time getting back
into the VM.  I have both the VM and my Mac Mini set to never go to sleep,
and yet when I return the only thing I can get to is the Mac Fusion window.
I almost always have to restart the VM to get it up and running.  Any tips
or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Bill

 

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Re: Waking up a virtual machine

[David Griffith]

Are you using Fusion in full screen mode? 

I found it worked  better in full screen.


David Griffith

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RE: Waking up a virtual machine

[Bill Holton]

I do try pressing Shift command F when I first try waking up the machine, in
case it has somehow gotten out of full screen mode, but it doesn't seem to
help.


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Are you using Fusion in full screen mode? 

I found it worked  better in full screen.


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Re: Waking up a virtual machine

[Matt Dierckens]

The keystroke for full screen is CTRL CMD F.
Matt Dierckens
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On Apr 2, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:

> I do try pressing Shift command F when I first try waking up the machine, in
> case it has somehow gotten out of full screen mode, but it doesn't seem to
> help.
> 
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> 
> Are you using Fusion in full screen mode? 
> 
> I found it worked  better in full screen.
> 
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> David Griffith
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Re: Waking up a virtual machine

[Josh Gregory]

The command is actually command and control f.

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> On Apr 2, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:
> 
> I do try pressing Shift command F when I first try waking up the machine, in
> case it has somehow gotten out of full screen mode, but it doesn't seem to
> help.
> 
> 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Griffith
> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 9:40 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Cc: David Griffith
> Subject: Re: Waking up a virtual machine
> 
> Are you using Fusion in full screen mode? 
> 
> I found it worked  better in full screen.
> 
> 
> David Griffith
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Re: using virtual box

[Devin Prater]

Lovely. I think I'll just not use virtual machines, although having an android 
machine would have been pretty cool.
On Apr 2, 2014, at 7:54 AM, Josh Gregory  wrote:

> Unfortunately, you'll have to buy it, something like  VMware fusion, virtual 
> box is not accessible.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 8:49 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all. I'm on my mac, trying to get virtual box to work. I went to the 
>> terminal, and navigated to the folder of the VM, and typed virtual box then 
>> the name of the vm, the filename that is, and nothing seems to work, just a 
>> virtual box window. What can I do, or will I have to buy a product I'll 
>> rarely use?
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RE: Waking up a virtual machine

[Bill Holton]

Thanks.  The correct key would probably help.  Let me give that a try the
next time it happens.

 

 

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The keystroke for full screen is CTRL CMD F.

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On Apr 2, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:





I do try pressing Shift command F when I first try waking up the machine, in
case it has somehow gotten out of full screen mode, but it doesn't seem to
help.


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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 9:40 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Cc: David Griffith
Subject: Re: Waking up a virtual machine

Are you using Fusion in full screen mode? 

I found it worked  better in full screen.


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Re: Stability of the Mac

[erik burggraaf]

Agreed,  High end audio, video and gravhic editing still require a desktop 
solution.  Although, the average consumer can do work that looks farely pro on 
a smartphone.

Data storage still requires a desktop solution although I am waiting for tonido 
to be released for raspbian.  Then I can use a raspberry pi connected to a 
storage tower for massife data storage and personal cloud services.

High-end gaming still requires a pc.

I haven't really put any office solutions through their paces on smartphones 
yet.  Beyond knowing that they are now accessible I'm not sure what they are 
really capable of and what not.

What else?

Have fun,

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On 2014-04-01, at 9:08 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:

> Hi, If I may, and no disrespect, but a computer is still needed for some 
> things that a tablet or smart phone cannot currently do. Having said that, I 
> will give you that these devices can do a heck of a lot more than they could 
> several years ago.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 1, 2014, at 9:12 PM, erik burggraaf  wrote:
> 
>> I find my mac more stable than pc's although I so seldome use a pc these 
>> days and the ones I do use are tweaked down so they perform really well.
>> 
>> I've been using a mack for 6 years now and have no reason to prefer a PC 
>> these days.  Having said that, this will be my last ever mac.  When it is 
>> ready to move on in another couple of years, the personal computer itself 
>> will be on the longtail and it just won't make any sense to invest in 
>> another personal computer, mac or PC.  In fact, an increasing number of my 
>> clients are just as effective on a tablet or smart phone as they are on a 
>> computer, and it meets all of their day to day computing needs very well, 
>> including: email, web browsing, web applications such as apps and mobile 
>> banking, OCR reading, bar code identification diabetes and other medical 
>> monitoring, non-verbal communication, literature access in braille, large 
>> print and audio, and more.  The world of office tasks has now opened up to 
>> us using IOS 7 and android 4.4.  Several printing solutions are accessible 
>> including the samsung one that I am currently using.  Simple audio 
>> production tasks are viable.  And we have access to features that aren't 
>> really viable on pc's such as security systems management, and GPS 
>> navigation.  Soon we'll have micro-location support and many other 
>> opportunities that will encourage us to leave the desktop/laptop world 
>> behind.  It may behoove you to simply invest more time learning IOS and 
>> picking up apps and accessories that enrich your experience in the mobile 
>> world, rather than investing in a switch to an expensive new technology that 
>> will be obsolete in three years.  We are just now stepping inside the time 
>> frame where cost vs efficiency of PC systems is about to become a serious 
>> concern in the consumer market.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>> 
>> On 2014-04-01, at 5:24 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>>> I find the mac to be very stable, certainly far less problems than with 
>>> windows. It's not perfect, no platform is, but I have 3 macs and have no 
>>> desire to switch back to a PC.
>>> Original message:
>>> 
 Hi Everyone,
>>> 
 As I said previously, I am thinking about getting a Mac and the main 
 reason is that I am tired of the increasing instability of the PC 
 environment. My first question is, is this really different on a Mac?
>>> 
 I am using JAWS 15 with Windows 8. Both are not all that stable. I have 
 been a JAWS user for 17 years and I have noticed a definite progressive 
 increase in instability with the last few releases. JAWS crashes 
 frequently and, even if it doesn't crash, it often stops talking when 
 errors occur with other applications. Then, there's Windows 8. I don't 
 mind the Windows 8 interface but several times per week, I will have a 
 problem that requires me to restart my computer. I did not have that 
 nearly as much with Windows 7. Also, it isn't unusual for me to install a 
 program which will, either directly or through add ins, make Windows 
 and/or JAWS more unstable. I then have to decide rather the additional 
 functionality is worth the increased instability. I'm just tired of all 
 the crashes and reboots and having to use three or four screen readers 
 because I have to run one when another one crashes.
>>> 
 By contrast, my iPhone and iPad, while not perfect, are certainly more 
 stable. VoiceOver seldom just stops working. Of course, every single app 
 is not accessible and they do not all work correctly but any problems with 
 an app are almost always confined only to that app. When an app crashes, 
 it usually does n

Re: Stability of the Mac

[Josh Gregory]

Do not believe that it is up to par with desktop solutions as far as office 
things go, you probably won't be doing any fancy graphics or tables or 
transitions on a smart phone. At least not any of the high-end stuff. And that 
isn't even considering accessibility as of yet

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 2, 2014, at 10:08 AM, erik burggraaf  wrote:
> 
> Agreed,  High end audio, video and gravhic editing still require a desktop 
> solution.  Although, the average consumer can do work that looks farely pro 
> on a smartphone.
> 
> Data storage still requires a desktop solution although I am waiting for 
> tonido to be released for raspbian.  Then I can use a raspberry pi connected 
> to a storage tower for massife data storage and personal cloud services.
> 
> High-end gaming still requires a pc.
> 
> I haven't really put any office solutions through their paces on smartphones 
> yet.  Beyond knowing that they are now accessible I'm not sure what they are 
> really capable of and what not.
> 
> What else?
> 
> Have fun,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
> 
>> On 2014-04-01, at 9:08 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, If I may, and no disrespect, but a computer is still needed for some 
>> things that a tablet or smart phone cannot currently do. Having said that, I 
>> will give you that these devices can do a heck of a lot more than they could 
>> several years ago.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 9:12 PM, erik burggraaf  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I find my mac more stable than pc's although I so seldome use a pc these 
>>> days and the ones I do use are tweaked down so they perform really well.
>>> 
>>> I've been using a mack for 6 years now and have no reason to prefer a PC 
>>> these days.  Having said that, this will be my last ever mac.  When it is 
>>> ready to move on in another couple of years, the personal computer itself 
>>> will be on the longtail and it just won't make any sense to invest in 
>>> another personal computer, mac or PC.  In fact, an increasing number of my 
>>> clients are just as effective on a tablet or smart phone as they are on a 
>>> computer, and it meets all of their day to day computing needs very well, 
>>> including: email, web browsing, web applications such as apps and mobile 
>>> banking, OCR reading, bar code identification diabetes and other medical 
>>> monitoring, non-verbal communication, literature access in braille, large 
>>> print and audio, and more.  The world of office tasks has now opened up to 
>>> us using IOS 7 and android 4.4.  Several printing solutions are accessible 
>>> including the samsung one that I am currently using.  Simple audio 
>>> production tasks are viable.  And we have access to features that aren't 
>>> really viable on pc's such as security systems management, and GPS 
>>> navigation.  Soon we'll have micro-location support and many other 
>>> opportunities that will encourage us to leave the desktop/laptop world 
>>> behind.  It may behoove you to simply invest more time learning IOS and 
>>> picking up apps and accessories that enrich your experience in the mobile 
>>> world, rather than investing in a switch to an expensive new technology 
>>> that will be obsolete in three years.  We are just now stepping inside the 
>>> time frame where cost vs efficiency of PC systems is about to become a 
>>> serious concern in the consumer market.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Erik Burggraaf
>>> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
>>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>>> 
 On 2014-04-01, at 5:24 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
 
 I find the mac to be very stable, certainly far less problems than with 
 windows. It's not perfect, no platform is, but I have 3 macs and have no 
 desire to switch back to a PC.
 Original message:
 
> Hi Everyone,
 
> As I said previously, I am thinking about getting a Mac and the main 
> reason is that I am tired of the increasing instability of the PC 
> environment. My first question is, is this really different on a Mac?
 
> I am using JAWS 15 with Windows 8. Both are not all that stable. I have 
> been a JAWS user for 17 years and I have noticed a definite progressive 
> increase in instability with the last few releases. JAWS crashes 
> frequently and, even if it doesn’t crash, it often stops talking when 
> errors occur with other applications. Then, there’s Windows 8. I don’t 
> mind the Windows 8 interface but several times per week, I will have a 
> problem that requires me to restart my computer. I did not have that 
> nearly as much with Windows 7. Also, it isn’t unusual for me to install a 
> program which will, either directly or through add ins, make Windows 
> and/or JAWS more unstable. I then have to decide rather the additional 
> functionality is worth the increased instability. I’m just tired of all 
>>

Re: Experiences with Canvas, the Learning Management platform?

[Mike Busboom]

Hi.

Are these chat features analogous to the Bulletin Board facility that is found 
in BlackBoard?  I know that a lot of visually-impaired people had problems with 
this and for me, it was a show-stopper.

Mike

On 2,Apr,2014, at 4:03 AM, Deb Lewis  wrote:

> I had to use the chat features for example. I could definitely read 
> assignments. But this was a chatting class where you had to chat daily.
> Some of the screens didn't even show up unless you did a refresh for each 
> screen. I hope that has improved, but I was not impressed and neither were 
> some formal reviewers from WebAIM.
> 
> 
> On Apr 1, 2014, at 8:25 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
>> That's interesting. I, and many blind students at my school, well the ones 
>> that use technology in the first place, use it fairly well, at least with 
>> simply turning in assignments and reading the assignments. I do wish, 
>> however, that canvas allowed one to read the assignment while answering it. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPod
>> 
>>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:09, Deb Lewis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It was one of the most miserable experiences I ever had.
>>> Supposedly Canvas has been declared accessible by the NFB. They must have 
>>> gotten big bucks for that one because frankly it didn't work well with any 
>>> browser on any platform. There is a major accessibility commentary on it 
>>> that I might be able to find a link too, pretty scathing overall. If I were 
>>> a student, I'd be filing a complaint with my university on this one for 
>>> sure. I was taking an extension course and ultimately dropped it after 
>>> trying lots of workarounds people suggested. Safari was about my worst 
>>> experience.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 1, 2014, at 5:24 AM, Mike Busboom  wrote:
 
 Hi.
 
 Has anyone ever used a Learning Management platform called Canvas?  If so, 
 can you tell me how usable it is from an accessibility standpoint?  Will 
 it work well with Safari on the Mac?  Instructure, the company that 
 produces canvas has also created apps for the iPad.  How usable are they?
 
 My gratitude as always,
 
 Mike
 
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alex skipping, and ready boost

[Devin Prater]

Hi all. So I don't know if this is a problem for anyone else, but sometimes, 
Alex skips a syllable or so of a word when reading. Any way to fix this? Also, 
is there a mac equivalent to the windows ready boost system?

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Re: alex skipping, and ready boost

[Josh Gregory]

Yeah that was one thing I kind of liked about it, but I don't think there is.

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> On Apr 2, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Hi all. So I don't know if this is a problem for anyone else, but sometimes, 
> Alex skips a syllable or so of a word when reading. Any way to fix this? 
> Also, is there a mac equivalent to the windows ready boost system?
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Re: Waking up a virtual machine

[Phil Halton]

Bill, I have the same setup as you, win7-64 in fusion on a MBA. First, do you 
have windows power management set to hibernate or go to sleep after a certain 
time, like after an hour?
I have mine set to never sleep.
second, when I'm finished with   windows I suspend it from Fusion toolbar. that 
prevents windows power management  from   doing anything like shutting down, or 
goingg to sleep etc.
or, if I'm finished with the computer for a while, I'll just shift away from 
fusion back to the desktop and close the lid of the MBA which does the same 
thing as suspending the VM.

On rare occasions when things get a little screwed up and I can't get the VM to 
respond, I first make sure I'm not interacted with the fusion toolbar, then I 
VO right arrow all the way to the right and hit tab a few times and Jaws 
usually comes   up talking.  If worst comes to worst and I can't get the VM to 
respond, I use the control command F keystroke to switch screen modes, either 
from full to single or vice versa - it doesn't matter, and that shakes things 
up and the VM responds.

Those are the unusual conditions though. I have found that some preventive 
maintenance  keeps things working well. That maintenance being what I described 
first, suspending the VM when not in use to side-step windows power management 
and/or switching away from the VM back to the Mac desktop and closing the lid 
effectively suspending the vm.

I only suspend the vm when I'm not going to be using windows but I am going to 
be working on the Mac side. This keeps the vm from draining valuable battery 
life which it can do at an alarming rate - just watch things in Activity 
monitor if you want to know the impact of an active VM verses a suspended VM.



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> Hi.
> Using Windows 7 64 bit in a VM Fusion virtual machine, whenever I walk away 
> from it for more than an hour or so, I have a devil of a time getting back 
> into the VM.  I have both the VM and my Mac Mini set to never go to sleep, 
> and yet when I return the only thing I can get to is the Mac Fusion window.  
> I almost always have to restart the VM to get it up and running.  Any tips or 
> suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> Bill
>  
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Re: Stability of the Mac

[Phil Halton]

That's my opinion as well, I still make extensive use  of spreadsheet and word 
processing applications beyond the basic uses and that's just not possible with 
numbers or pages on the IOS platforms. 
On Apr 2, 2014, at 1:35 AM, Maria and Joe Chapman  
wrote:

> Hi.  I find that an iPhone or iPad doesn't quite meet my needs.  I still use 
> a macbook primarily when I am at home. There are still things like advanced 
> word processing that are kind of difficult on a tablet or smart phone. that's 
> just my opinion though.
> Blessings!
> maria and Joe chapman
> Email, iMessage & fb: bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
> twitter: bubbygirl
> 
> 
> 
> On 2 Apr 2014, at 12:12 pm, erik burggraaf  wrote:
> 
>> I find my mac more stable than pc's although I so seldome use a pc these 
>> days and the ones I do use are tweaked down so they perform really well.
>> 
>> I've been using a mack for 6 years now and have no reason to prefer a PC 
>> these days.  Having said that, this will be my last ever mac.  When it is 
>> ready to move on in another couple of years, the personal computer itself 
>> will be on the longtail and it just won't make any sense to invest in 
>> another personal computer, mac or PC.  In fact, an increasing number of my 
>> clients are just as effective on a tablet or smart phone as they are on a 
>> computer, and it meets all of their day to day computing needs very well, 
>> including: email, web browsing, web applications such as apps and mobile 
>> banking, OCR reading, bar code identification diabetes and other medical 
>> monitoring, non-verbal communication, literature access in braille, large 
>> print and audio, and more.  The world of office tasks has now opened up to 
>> us using IOS 7 and android 4.4.  Several printing solutions are accessible 
>> including the samsung one that I am currently using.  Simple audio 
>> production tasks are viable.  And we have access to features that aren't 
>> really viable on pc's such as security systems management, and GPS 
>> navigation.  Soon we'll have micro-location support and many other 
>> opportunities that will encourage us to leave the desktop/laptop world 
>> behind.  It may behoove you to simply invest more time learning IOS and 
>> picking up apps and accessories that enrich your experience in the mobile 
>> world, rather than investing in a switch to an expensive new technology that 
>> will be obsolete in three years.  We are just now stepping inside the time 
>> frame where cost vs efficiency of PC systems is about to become a serious 
>> concern in the consumer market.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>> 
>> On 2014-04-01, at 5:24 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>>> I find the mac to be very stable, certainly far less problems than with 
>>> windows. It's not perfect, no platform is, but I have 3 macs and have no 
>>> desire to switch back to a PC.
>>> Original message:
>>> 
 Hi Everyone,
>>> 
 As I said previously, I am thinking about getting a Mac and the main 
 reason is that I am tired of the increasing instability of the PC 
 environment. My first question is, is this really different on a Mac?
>>> 
 I am using JAWS 15 with Windows 8. Both are not all that stable. I have 
 been a JAWS user for 17 years and I have noticed a definite progressive 
 increase in instability with the last few releases. JAWS crashes 
 frequently and, even if it doesn't crash, it often stops talking when 
 errors occur with other applications. Then, there's Windows 8. I don't 
 mind the Windows 8 interface but several times per week, I will have a 
 problem that requires me to restart my computer. I did not have that 
 nearly as much with Windows 7. Also, it isn't unusual for me to install a 
 program which will, either directly or through add ins, make Windows 
 and/or JAWS more unstable. I then have to decide rather the additional 
 functionality is worth the increased instability. I'm just tired of all 
 the crashes and reboots and having to use three or four screen readers 
 because I have to run one when another one crashes.
>>> 
 By contrast, my iPhone and iPad, while not perfect, are certainly more 
 stable. VoiceOver seldom just stops working. Of course, every single app 
 is not accessible and they do not all work correctly but any problems with 
 an app are almost always confined only to that app. When an app crashes, 
 it usually does not also cause VoiceOver or the device to crash. Is this 
 also true of the Mac?
>>> 
 I have certainly used technology enough to know that none of it is 
 perfect. However, I would like something that is better than the PC, when 
 it comes to stability. Over all, in your experience, is the Mac more 
 stable?
>>> 
 Thanks,
>>> 
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RE: Waking up a virtual machine

[Bill Holton]

Hi.

Thanks for the suggestions.  I do have both the VM and my Mac set to never
sleep.  I left it running, yesterday, because I was installing Office 365
and the first time I did it I must have shut down the machine at a bad time
because the next time I tried to run it I got errors in Office and had to go
back to a previous VM and do a reinstall.  So left the machine running all
day yesterday.  

 

 

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Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 10:34 AM
To: Macvisionaries
Subject: Re: Waking up a virtual machine

 

Bill, I have the same setup as you, win7-64 in fusion on a MBA. First, do
you have windows power management set to hibernate or go to sleep after a
certain time, like after an hour?

I have mine set to never sleep.

second, when I'm finished with   windows I suspend it from Fusion toolbar.
that prevents windows power management  from   doing anything like shutting
down, or goingg to sleep etc.

or, if I'm finished with the computer for a while, I'll just shift away from
fusion back to the desktop and close the lid of the MBA which does the same
thing as suspending the VM.

 

On rare occasions when things get a little screwed up and I can't get the VM
to respond, I first make sure I'm not interacted with the fusion toolbar,
then I VO right arrow all the way to the right and hit tab a few times and
Jaws usually comes   up talking.  If worst comes to worst and I can't get
the VM to respond, I use the control command F keystroke to switch screen
modes, either from full to single or vice versa - it doesn't matter, and
that shakes things up and the VM responds.

 

Those are the unusual conditions though. I have found that some preventive
maintenance  keeps things working well. That maintenance being what I
described first, suspending the VM when not in use to side-step windows
power management and/or switching away from the VM back to the Mac desktop
and closing the lid effectively suspending the vm.

 

I only suspend the vm when I'm not going to be using windows but I am going
to be working on the Mac side. This keeps the vm from draining valuable
battery life which it can do at an alarming rate - just watch things in
Activity monitor if you want to know the impact of an active VM verses a
suspended VM.

 

 

 

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Hi.

Using Windows 7 64 bit in a VM Fusion virtual machine, whenever I walk away
from it for more than an hour or so, I have a devil of a time getting back
into the VM.  I have both the VM and my Mac Mini set to never go to sleep,
and yet when I return the only thing I can get to is the Mac Fusion window.
I almost always have to restart the VM to get it up and running.  Any tips
or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Bill

 

 

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Re: Experiences with Canvas, the Learning Management platform?

[alberto]

Hi, I have been able to use all aspects of canvas perfectly fine.  Now keeping 
this in mind you should be aware not every school runs the same version of 
canvas some may run an older version, and other a newer one so when you are 
able to check it out for yourself that is when you will know if the version you 
are going to use is accessible or not.
On Apr 2, 2014, at 4:48 AM, Mike Busboom  wrote:

> This is fantastic news, Alberto.  Yesterday was my birthday, and you couldn't 
> have given me a nicer birthday present!
> 
> Were you able to participate in online discussion threads and the like, and 
> how well did the testing modules work?
> 
> If nobody else responds to my inquiries, I will contact you off-list  with a 
> few more questions, if you don't mind.
> 
> Kindest regards from Vienna, Austria,
> 
> Mike
> 
> On 1,Apr,2014, at 4:02 PM, alberto  wrote:
> 
>> Hi, I have used it on the mac many times since the college I attend has it, 
>> and it is completely accessible.  I have not tried the apps so can't give 
>> you an answer on that.
>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 6:37 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>>> My school uses it for any class that wants it. Currently, history is the 
>>> only class that has stepped forward to try it. It works fairly well, 
>>> actually. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPod
>>> 
 On Apr 1, 2014, at 7:24, Mike Busboom  wrote:
 
 Hi.
 
 Has anyone ever used a Learning Management platform called Canvas?  If so, 
 can you tell me how usable it is from an accessibility standpoint?  Will 
 it work well with Safari on the Mac?  Instructure, the company that 
 produces canvas has also created apps for the iPad.  How usable are they?
 
 My gratitude as always,
 
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Re: Productivity Software on the Mac

[alberto]

Nope for that you will need different software.
On Apr 2, 2014, at 6:23 AM, Josh Gregory  wrote:

> Yes that's correct. However, oddly enough, pages cannot open PDF files, only 
> export to them.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 2, 2014, at 8:20 AM, Matt Dierckens  wrote:
> 
>> Well I see you're right. You can only export files to word, PDF, epub, Pages 
>> 09, and text.
>> I do know that textedit can do RTF.
>> 
>> Matt Dierckens
>> Macintosh Trainer
>> Blind Access Training
>> www.blindaccesstraining.com
>> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 8:12 AM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>> 
>>> Weird, there was one format I know it said it couldn't support and I'm 
>>> pretty sure it was RTF. Maybe I was wrong.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 8:06 AM, Matt Dierckens  wrote:
>>> 
 Textedit will support RTF and so will pages. With pages you just can't 
 write in RTF.
 
 Matt Dierckens
 Macintosh Trainer
 Blind Access Training
 www.blindaccesstraining.com
 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4
 
 
 
 
 On Apr 2, 2014, at 7:59 AM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
 
> The one thing I don't like about it is that it does not support Rich text 
> format files, this may seem a little picky but I think that a word 
> processor such as pages should at least be able to support what I think 
> is a pretty basic file format.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 7:45 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all. I have pages now, and I do like it. I kinda wish VO would 
>> announce a heading as a heading and not just as bold 18 pt, unless, 
>> that's all a heading is. 
>>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 6:14 AM, Chris Apple boy  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Scott and all
>>> All I can say is I really like both TextEdit and Pages on my Macbook 
>>> Pro 2012 model. Numbers for the mac I plan to get in the near future as 
>>> well as Keynote which is Apple's answer to Microsoft PowerPoint. I've 
>>> heard great things though about the latest Numbers and Keynote all of 
>>> which sound promising.
>>> 
>>> Regards Chris
>>> 
>>> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
>>> 
 On 02/04/2014 11:58, Scott Duck wrote:
 Hi Everyone,
 
 
 
 OK, so far, so good.  It sounds like OSX is about as stable as IOS, 
 which is
 what I had hoped.
 
 
 
 My next question regarding the Mac involves productivity.  How well 
 does
 VoiceOver do with word processing and spreadsheets?
 
 
 
 It is my understanding that Text Edit is very accessible.  Is this 
 correct?
 What about Pages?  Spell check is very cumbersome on IOS if you are 
 working
 with a large document.  I assume that spell check is better on the 
 Mac.  Is
 it?
 
 
 
 I am also very interested in Numbers.  I do a lot of work with 
 spreadsheets.
 Numbers for IOS is better than it used to be but, in terms of using it 
 with
 VoiceOver, it's still rather cumbersome and not all that great if you 
 have
 much work to do.  Is Numbers for the Mac better?
 
 
 
 Thanks,
 
 Scott Duck
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Simulating a Mac on a PC

[Scott Duck]

Hi,

Is there a relatively easy way to run OSX in a virtual environment on a PC?
I know that, doing it that way, I wouldn't get the stability of a Mac but it
would give me a taste of using one.  And, by relatively easy, I don't mean
in 246 easy steps.  LOL

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Re: Productivity Software on the Mac

[alberto]

Yep I second that as well.
On Apr 2, 2014, at 6:06 AM, Matt Dierckens  wrote:

> Textedit will support RTF and so will pages. With pages you just can't write 
> in RTF.
> 
> Matt Dierckens
> Macintosh Trainer
> Blind Access Training
> www.blindaccesstraining.com
> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 2, 2014, at 7:59 AM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
> 
>> The one thing I don't like about it is that it does not support Rich text 
>> format files, this may seem a little picky but I think that a word processor 
>> such as pages should at least be able to support what I think is a pretty 
>> basic file format.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 7:45 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all. I have pages now, and I do like it. I kinda wish VO would announce 
>>> a heading as a heading and not just as bold 18 pt, unless, that's all a 
>>> heading is. 
 On Apr 2, 2014, at 6:14 AM, Chris Apple boy  
 wrote:
 
 Hi Scott and all
 All I can say is I really like both TextEdit and Pages on my Macbook Pro 
 2012 model. Numbers for the mac I plan to get in the near future as well 
 as Keynote which is Apple's answer to Microsoft PowerPoint. I've heard 
 great things though about the latest Numbers and Keynote all of which 
 sound promising.
 
 Regards Chris
 
 Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
 
> On 02/04/2014 11:58, Scott Duck wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> 
> 
> OK, so far, so good.  It sounds like OSX is about as stable as IOS, which 
> is
> what I had hoped.
> 
> 
> 
> My next question regarding the Mac involves productivity.  How well does
> VoiceOver do with word processing and spreadsheets?
> 
> 
> 
> It is my understanding that Text Edit is very accessible.  Is this 
> correct?
> What about Pages?  Spell check is very cumbersome on IOS if you are 
> working
> with a large document.  I assume that spell check is better on the Mac.  
> Is
> it?
> 
> 
> 
> I am also very interested in Numbers.  I do a lot of work with 
> spreadsheets.
> Numbers for IOS is better than it used to be but, in terms of using it 
> with
> VoiceOver, it's still rather cumbersome and not all that great if you have
> much work to do.  Is Numbers for the Mac better?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Scott Duck
 
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Re: Simulating a Mac on a PC

[alberto]

I don't think so, but anyone can correct me if I am wrong.  I think that may 
even be illegal.
On Apr 2, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Scott Duck  wrote:

> Hi,
> Is there a relatively easy way to run OSX in a virtual environment on a PC?  
> I know that, doing it that way, I wouldn't get the stability of a Mac but it 
> would give me a taste of using one.  And, by relatively easy, I don't mean in 
> 246 easy steps.  LOL
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> Scott Duck
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Re: Productivity Software on the Mac

[Deb Lewis]

I think it depends entirely on how you use the applications. My office is all 
Ms Office. We've found that pages documents don't really export well to word 
and even Word for Mac, which is not accessible, doesn't export well to word for 
windows. 
I think there are some better word processing packages for the Mac than Pages 
especially if you need to interface with Windows word etc. 
But if you're stand alone and not interfacing much with the Windows apps, then 
the Mac apps do fine. It's more an issue of compatibility than accessibility 
for the most part. But if you're working in a windows environment, I think 
careful research is in order. 
I ended up with a virtual machine on my Mac for just that rason. I do some work 
on the Mac side and some not he windows side. 


On Apr 2, 2014, at 3:58 AM, Scott Duck  wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>  
> OK, so far, so good.  It sounds like OSX is about as stable as IOS, which is 
> what I had hoped.
>  
> My next question regarding the Mac involves productivity.  How well does 
> VoiceOver do with word processing and spreadsheets?
>  
> It is my understanding that Text Edit is very accessible.  Is this correct?  
> What about Pages?  Spell check is very cumbersome on IOS if you are working 
> with a large document.  I assume that spell check is better on the Mac.  Is 
> it?
>  
> I am also very interested in Numbers.  I do a lot of work with spreadsheets.  
> Numbers for IOS is better than it used to be but, in terms of using it with 
> VoiceOver, it's still rather cumbersome and not all that great if you have 
> much work to do.  Is Numbers for the Mac better? 
>  
> Thanks,
> Scott Duck
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Re: Experiences with Canvas, the Learning Management platform?

[Deb Lewis]

Yes, it's similar. And someone who has current access to Canvas should check 
this out specifically because it has been about 18 months for me and of course 
things do change. But it was a show stopper for sure. 

On Apr 2, 2014, at 7:12 AM, Mike Busboom  wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> Are these chat features analogous to the Bulletin Board facility that is 
> found in BlackBoard?  I know that a lot of visually-impaired people had 
> problems with this and for me, it was a show-stopper.
> 
> Mike
> 
> On 2,Apr,2014, at 4:03 AM, Deb Lewis  wrote:
> 
>> I had to use the chat features for example. I could definitely read 
>> assignments. But this was a chatting class where you had to chat daily.
>> Some of the screens didn't even show up unless you did a refresh for each 
>> screen. I hope that has improved, but I was not impressed and neither were 
>> some formal reviewers from WebAIM.
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 8:25 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>>> That's interesting. I, and many blind students at my school, well the ones 
>>> that use technology in the first place, use it fairly well, at least with 
>>> simply turning in assignments and reading the assignments. I do wish, 
>>> however, that canvas allowed one to read the assignment while answering it. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPod
>>> 
 On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:09, Deb Lewis  wrote:
 
 It was one of the most miserable experiences I ever had.
 Supposedly Canvas has been declared accessible by the NFB. They must have 
 gotten big bucks for that one because frankly it didn't work well with any 
 browser on any platform. There is a major accessibility commentary on it 
 that I might be able to find a link too, pretty scathing overall. If I 
 were a student, I'd be filing a complaint with my university on this one 
 for sure. I was taking an extension course and ultimately dropped it after 
 trying lots of workarounds people suggested. Safari was about my worst 
 experience.
 
 
> On Apr 1, 2014, at 5:24 AM, Mike Busboom  wrote:
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> Hi.
> 
> Has anyone ever used a Learning Management platform called Canvas?  If 
> so, can you tell me how usable it is from an accessibility standpoint?  
> Will it work well with Safari on the Mac?  Instructure, the company that 
> produces canvas has also created apps for the iPad.  How usable are they?
> 
> My gratitude as always,
> 
> Mike
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Re: Simulating a Mac on a PC

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi there
I can't answer the question that you asked exactly, but if you know anybody 
that has a Macintosh computer, you can call up  voiceover on it. I don't know 
if you know that they all have voice over in them . Also, even if there is a 
way to do what you ask, the question is would VoiceOver run on that PC is well?
Gigi

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> Hi,
> Is there a relatively easy way to run OSX in a virtual environment on a PC?  
> I know that, doing it that way, I wouldn’t get the stability of a Mac but it 
> would give me a taste of using one.  And, by relatively easy, I don’t mean in 
> 246 easy steps.  LOL
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Re: Waking up a virtual machine

[Deb Lewis]

I have much less problem with this now that i"m no longer using full screen 
mode. And, if I'm going to be away from the window for any real length of time 
I just suspend and return as needed. But really everything has run so much more 
smoothly all around since ditching the notion of full screen mode. 


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> Hi.
> Using Windows 7 64 bit in a VM Fusion virtual machine, whenever I walk away 
> from it for more than an hour or so, I have a devil of a time getting back 
> into the VM.  I have both the VM and my Mac Mini set to never go to sleep, 
> and yet when I return the only thing I can get to is the Mac Fusion window.  
> I almost always have to restart the VM to get it up and running.  Any tips or 
> suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> Bill
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Re: Experiences with Canvas, the Learning Management platform?

[Mike Busboom]

What version does your school use, Alberto?

Thanks.

Mike

On 2,Apr,2014, at 5:13 PM, alberto  wrote:

> Hi, I have been able to use all aspects of canvas perfectly fine.  Now 
> keeping this in mind you should be aware not every school runs the same 
> version of canvas some may run an older version, and other a newer one so 
> when you are able to check it out for yourself that is when you will know if 
> the version you are going to use is accessible or not.
> On Apr 2, 2014, at 4:48 AM, Mike Busboom  wrote:
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>> This is fantastic news, Alberto.  Yesterday was my birthday, and you 
>> couldn't have given me a nicer birthday present!
>> 
>> Were you able to participate in online discussion threads and the like, and 
>> how well did the testing modules work?
>> 
>> If nobody else responds to my inquiries, I will contact you off-list  with a 
>> few more questions, if you don't mind.
>> 
>> Kindest regards from Vienna, Austria,
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> On 1,Apr,2014, at 4:02 PM, alberto  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, I have used it on the mac many times since the college I attend has it, 
>>> and it is completely accessible.  I have not tried the apps so can't give 
>>> you an answer on that.
>>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 6:37 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>> 
 My school uses it for any class that wants it. Currently, history is the 
 only class that has stepped forward to try it. It works fairly well, 
 actually. 
 
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> Hi.
> 
> Has anyone ever used a Learning Management platform called Canvas?  If 
> so, can you tell me how usable it is from an accessibility standpoint?  
> Will it work well with Safari on the Mac?  Instructure, the company that 
> produces canvas has also created apps for the iPad.  How usable are they?
> 
> My gratitude as always,
> 
> Mike
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Re: Experiences with Canvas, the Learning Management platform?

[alberto]

Hi, if you don't mind we can most possibly take this off list so we don't 
clutter it up for the rest of the members.
On Apr 2, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Mike Busboom  wrote:

> What version does your school use, Alberto?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Mike
> 
> On 2,Apr,2014, at 5:13 PM, alberto  wrote:
> 
>> Hi, I have been able to use all aspects of canvas perfectly fine.  Now 
>> keeping this in mind you should be aware not every school runs the same 
>> version of canvas some may run an older version, and other a newer one so 
>> when you are able to check it out for yourself that is when you will know if 
>> the version you are going to use is accessible or not.
>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 4:48 AM, Mike Busboom  wrote:
>> 
>>> This is fantastic news, Alberto.  Yesterday was my birthday, and you 
>>> couldn't have given me a nicer birthday present!
>>> 
>>> Were you able to participate in online discussion threads and the like, and 
>>> how well did the testing modules work?
>>> 
>>> If nobody else responds to my inquiries, I will contact you off-list  with 
>>> a few more questions, if you don't mind.
>>> 
>>> Kindest regards from Vienna, Austria,
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> On 1,Apr,2014, at 4:02 PM, alberto  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi, I have used it on the mac many times since the college I attend has 
 it, and it is completely accessible.  I have not tried the apps so can't 
 give you an answer on that.
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> only class that has stepped forward to try it. It works fairly well, 
> actually. 
> 
> Sent from my iPod
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>> Hi.
>> 
>> Has anyone ever used a Learning Management platform called Canvas?  If 
>> so, can you tell me how usable it is from an accessibility standpoint?  
>> Will it work well with Safari on the Mac?  Instructure, the company that 
>> produces canvas has also created apps for the iPad.  How usable are they?
>> 
>> My gratitude as always,
>> 
>> Mike
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Re: Simulating a Mac on a PC

[Chris Apple boy]

I'm sure this is actually illegal under the Apple License terms for Mac 
Os X but someone can prove me wrong if they like.


Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 02/04/2014 16:17, Scott Duck wrote:

Hi,

Is there a relatively easy way to run OSX in a virtual environment on a PC?
I know that, doing it that way, I wouldn't get the stability of a Mac but it
would give me a taste of using one.  And, by relatively easy, I don't mean
in 246 easy steps.  LOL

Thanks,

Scott Duck



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Re: Stability of the Mac

[josh gregory]

The one thing I will say mac has going for it among its many
advantages, is the ability to walk up to any mac and it just works.
Amazing as long as it has 10.4 or above which most do nowadays. A
little different with the iMac as I've just experienced (from the
laptop prospective) but definitely doable.

On 4/2/14, Phil Halton  wrote:
> That's my opinion as well, I still make extensive use  of spreadsheet and
> word processing applications beyond the basic uses and that's just not
> possible with numbers or pages on the IOS platforms.
> On Apr 2, 2014, at 1:35 AM, Maria and Joe Chapman 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi.  I find that an iPhone or iPad doesn't quite meet my needs.  I still
>> use a macbook primarily when I am at home. There are still things like
>> advanced word processing that are kind of difficult on a tablet or smart
>> phone. that's just my opinion though.
>> Blessings!
>> maria and Joe chapman
>> Email, iMessage & fb: bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>> twitter: bubbygirl
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>>
>>
>> On 2 Apr 2014, at 12:12 pm, erik burggraaf 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I find my mac more stable than pc's although I so seldome use a pc these
>>> days and the ones I do use are tweaked down so they perform really well.
>>>
>>> I've been using a mack for 6 years now and have no reason to prefer a PC
>>> these days.  Having said that, this will be my last ever mac.  When it is
>>> ready to move on in another couple of years, the personal computer itself
>>> will be on the longtail and it just won't make any sense to invest in
>>> another personal computer, mac or PC.  In fact, an increasing number of
>>> my clients are just as effective on a tablet or smart phone as they are
>>> on a computer, and it meets all of their day to day computing needs very
>>> well, including: email, web browsing, web applications such as apps and
>>> mobile banking, OCR reading, bar code identification diabetes and other
>>> medical monitoring, non-verbal communication, literature access in
>>> braille, large print and audio, and more.  The world of office tasks has
>>> now opened up to us using IOS 7 and android 4.4.  Several printing
>>> solutions are accessible including the samsung one that I am currently
>>> using.  Simple audio production tasks are viable.  And we have access to
>>> features that aren't really viable on pc's such as security systems
>>> management, and GPS navigation.  Soon we'll have micro-location support
>>> and many other opportunities that will encourage us to leave the
>>> desktop/laptop world behind.  It may behoove you to simply invest more
>>> time learning IOS and picking up apps and accessories that enrich your
>>> experience in the mobile world, rather than investing in a switch to an
>>> expensive new technology that will be obsolete in three years.  We are
>>> just now stepping inside the time frame where cost vs efficiency of PC
>>> systems is about to become a serious concern in the consumer market.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Erik Burggraaf
>>> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
>>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>>>
>>> On 2014-04-01, at 5:24 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>>
 I find the mac to be very stable, certainly far less problems than with
 windows. It's not perfect, no platform is, but I have 3 macs and have no
 desire to switch back to a PC.
 Original message:

> Hi Everyone,

> As I said previously, I am thinking about getting a Mac and the main
> reason is that I am tired of the increasing instability of the PC
> environment. My first question is, is this really different on a Mac?

> I am using JAWS 15 with Windows 8. Both are not all that stable. I have
> been a JAWS user for 17 years and I have noticed a definite progressive
> increase in instability with the last few releases. JAWS crashes
> frequently and, even if it doesn't crash, it often stops talking when
> errors occur with other applications. Then, there's Windows 8. I don't
> mind the Windows 8 interface but several times per week, I will have a
> problem that requires me to restart my computer. I did not have that
> nearly as much with Windows 7. Also, it isn't unusual for me to install
> a program which will, either directly or through add ins, make Windows
> and/or JAWS more unstable. I then have to decide rather the additional
> functionality is worth the increased instability. I'm just tired of all
> the crashes and reboots and having to use three or four screen readers
> because I have to run one when another one crashes.

> By contrast, my iPhone and iPad, while not perfect, are certainly more
> stable. VoiceOver seldom just stops working. Of course, every single
> app is not accessible and they do not all work correctly but any
> problems with an app are almost always confined only to that app. When
> an app crashes, it usually does not also cause VoiceOver or the device
> to crash. Is this also true of the M

stability of the mac

[Jean Parker]

Hello to the person who is thinking of making the switch to mac:
I did this about a year ago and here are my thoughts.
First of all, the reason I switched was similar to that of other people, my PC 
became inoperable one to many times and it was at a time when I was to have 
begun an online  teaching assignment.  I came very close to losing my job 
because getting the PC laptop repaired/replaced and then everything restored 
took so long.  It was a total disaster!  

The learning curve was steep for me and it took about two months to return to 
any semblance of efficiency.  I am sure it is shorter for many people and 
longer for others.  So, during the transition, it would be helpful to allow for 
the time and energy it will take to learn the new system and screen reader.  

There are fantastic resources on this list for getting help.  These include 
several people who are authorised by Apple to teach the Mac using Voiceover.  
Keep in mind however, that Apple does not pay for this training and although it 
is reasonably priced, this is one area where Apple could do better.  I live 
close to an Apple store and although I had the One to One training the first 
year I had my Mac, I did not renew it.  I found that the trainers were very 
knowledgeable about the Mac but not about Voiceover.  I receive far superior 
information from this list without leaving home.  

If you live near an Apple store you also have access to something called a 
Genious Bar.  If you are having some difficulty with your computer, after an 
upgrade for example, you can take it to them and get it sorted out for free.  
Apple has phone support which others on this list have much more experience 
with than I do.  

In general, working with and maintaining the Mac is a much more streamlined 
process than a PC.  For example, my disk drive bit the dust the last time I was 
working in India.  Because I have Apple Care, it was replaced with no charge 
but I found that the restoration process was a thousand times easier and less 
time-consuming than it ever was on the PC.  Apple has Time Machine which makes 
a backup of your disk including data which you use to restore the system.  If 
you haven't backed up in a while, it even reminds you to do it.  

So, if you do switch to the Mac, be sure and allow yourself time to integrate 
the new knowledge systematically.  I for one, would never even consider 
returning to using a PC.  But if for some reason I had to, I would either use 
bootcamp or VM Fusion instead of going back to a computer environment which is 
so unstable and unpredictable.  To me, using a PC became unviable in my work 
environment so it had to go.  

The only thing I find more difficult with Mac is using Skype.  On the PC you 
can use GW Connect which manages voice and text chatting tasks very well.  When 
I called GW Micro to ask them if they would make a Mac version, I thought they 
were going to hang up on me.  So, that is the only compromise I feel I have 
made.  

Good luck with your decision and keep asking us questions.
Jean

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help with audio recording

[Laura Bratton]

HI All,
I need to record a work meeting and then burn the recording on a CD or have it 
to send as an MP3 file. What would be the best way to do this? What works  best 
with Voice over? I am using a mac book pro.

Thank you so much for the help,
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Re: help with audio recording

[alberto]

I believe either audio high jack pro, or audacity may meet your needs.  I don't 
know how good either one of these two are for recording since one which i 
audacity I use to make ring tones with, and audio high jack pro I haven't used, 
but I've heard very good things about it.

On Apr 2, 2014, at 11:00 AM, Laura Bratton  wrote:

> HI All,
> I need to record a work meeting and then burn the recording on a CD or have 
> it to send as an MP3 file. What would be the best way to do this? What works  
> best with Voice over? I am using a mac book pro.
> 
> Thank you so much for the help,
> laura 
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RE: Simulating a Mac on a PC

[Scott Duck]

Hi Chris,
You very well may be correct and it may be illegal any way that you do it,
if it is even possible.  However, just so there is no confusion, I wasn't
talking about pirating it.  I assume that, if I were to purchase a copy of
OSX, I could legally install it on anything that I like, just as one can
install Windows on a Mac if they own the copy of Windows that they are
installing.  However, it may not even be possible to purchase OSX without a
Mac.  Probably isn't, now that I think about it, as I don't think that they
sell it on CD any more.  Anyway, just didn't want you to think that I was
trying to do something that I shouldn't.
Thanks,
Scott Duck

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Subject: Re: Simulating a Mac on a PC

I'm sure this is actually illegal under the Apple License terms for Mac Os X
but someone can prove me wrong if they like.

Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 02/04/2014 16:17, Scott Duck wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is there a relatively easy way to run OSX in a virtual environment on a
PC?
> I know that, doing it that way, I wouldn't get the stability of a Mac 
> but it would give me a taste of using one.  And, by relatively easy, I 
> don't mean in 246 easy steps.  LOL
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott Duck
>

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Re: Simulating a Mac on a PC

[josh gregory]

Yes, it is.

On 4/2/14, alberto  wrote:
> I don't think so, but anyone can correct me if I am wrong.  I think that may
> even be illegal.
> On Apr 2, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Scott Duck  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> Is there a relatively easy way to run OSX in a virtual environment on a
>> PC?  I know that, doing it that way, I wouldn't get the stability of a Mac
>> but it would give me a taste of using one.  And, by relatively easy, I
>> don't mean in 246 easy steps.  LOL
>> Thanks,
>> Scott Duck
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Re: Simulating a Mac on a PC

[josh gregory]

No, even if you did buy it, which you can't without a mac, it still isn't legal.

On 4/2/14, Scott Duck  wrote:
> Hi Chris,
> You very well may be correct and it may be illegal any way that you do it,
> if it is even possible.  However, just so there is no confusion, I wasn't
> talking about pirating it.  I assume that, if I were to purchase a copy of
> OSX, I could legally install it on anything that I like, just as one can
> install Windows on a Mac if they own the copy of Windows that they are
> installing.  However, it may not even be possible to purchase OSX without a
> Mac.  Probably isn't, now that I think about it, as I don't think that they
> sell it on CD any more.  Anyway, just didn't want you to think that I was
> trying to do something that I shouldn't.
> Thanks,
> Scott Duck
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Apple boy
> Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:12 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Simulating a Mac on a PC
>
> I'm sure this is actually illegal under the Apple License terms for Mac Os
> X
> but someone can prove me wrong if they like.
>
> Regards Chris
>
> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
>
> On 02/04/2014 16:17, Scott Duck wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Is there a relatively easy way to run OSX in a virtual environment on a
> PC?
>> I know that, doing it that way, I wouldn't get the stability of a Mac
>> but it would give me a taste of using one.  And, by relatively easy, I
>> don't mean in 246 easy steps.  LOL
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Scott Duck
>>
>
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Re: Simulating a Mac on a PC

[alberto]

Hi, even with a bought copy you have those restrictions.
On Apr 2, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Scott Duck  wrote:

> Hi Chris,
> You very well may be correct and it may be illegal any way that you do it,
> if it is even possible.  However, just so there is no confusion, I wasn't
> talking about pirating it.  I assume that, if I were to purchase a copy of
> OSX, I could legally install it on anything that I like, just as one can
> install Windows on a Mac if they own the copy of Windows that they are
> installing.  However, it may not even be possible to purchase OSX without a
> Mac.  Probably isn't, now that I think about it, as I don't think that they
> sell it on CD any more.  Anyway, just didn't want you to think that I was
> trying to do something that I shouldn't.
> Thanks,
> Scott Duck
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Apple boy
> Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:12 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Simulating a Mac on a PC
> 
> I'm sure this is actually illegal under the Apple License terms for Mac Os X
> but someone can prove me wrong if they like.
> 
> Regards Chris
> 
> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
> 
> On 02/04/2014 16:17, Scott Duck wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Is there a relatively easy way to run OSX in a virtual environment on a
> PC?
>> I know that, doing it that way, I wouldn't get the stability of a Mac 
>> but it would give me a taste of using one.  And, by relatively easy, I 
>> don't mean in 246 easy steps.  LOL
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Scott Duck
>> 
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mac learning curve

[Kerri]

hillo, Jean:

I think the learning curve is steep for most people and in this I was fortunate 
as I am (unfortunately) unemployed and so could take the time to learn the Mac. 
For me the most difficult aspect was knowing how to access help because this 
list though helpful, was unable to assist until I learned how to compose an 
email. I say this because if I'd known that would have been the first question 
I'd have asked. Composing a new email is done with command plus n once you open 
the emial client. 

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On Apr 2, 2014, at 9:38 AM, Jean Parker  wrote:

> Hello to the person who is thinking of making the switch to mac:
> I did this about a year ago and here are my thoughts.
> First of all, the reason I switched was similar to that of other people, my 
> PC became inoperable one to many times and it was at a time when I was to 
> have begun an online  teaching assignment.  I came very close to losing my 
> job because getting the PC laptop repaired/replaced and then everything 
> restored took so long.  It was a total disaster!  
> 
> The learning curve was steep for me and it took about two months to return to 
> any semblance of efficiency.  I am sure it is shorter for many people and 
> longer for others.  So, during the transition, it would be helpful to allow 
> for the time and energy it will take to learn the new system and screen 
> reader.  
> 
> There are fantastic resources on this list for getting help.  These include 
> several people who are authorised by Apple to teach the Mac using Voiceover.  
> Keep in mind however, that Apple does not pay for this training and although 
> it is reasonably priced, this is one area where Apple could do better.  I 
> live close to an Apple store and although I had the One to One training the 
> first year I had my Mac, I did not renew it.  I found that the trainers were 
> very knowledgeable about the Mac but not about Voiceover.  I receive far 
> superior information from this list without leaving home.  
> 
> If you live near an Apple store you also have access to something called a 
> Genious Bar.  If you are having some difficulty with your computer, after an 
> upgrade for example, you can take it to them and get it sorted out for free.  
> Apple has phone support which others on this list have much more experience 
> with than I do.  
> 
> In general, working with and maintaining the Mac is a much more streamlined 
> process than a PC.  For example, my disk drive bit the dust the last time I 
> was working in India.  Because I have Apple Care, it was replaced with no 
> charge but I found that the restoration process was a thousand times easier 
> and less time-consuming than it ever was on the PC.  Apple has Time Machine 
> which makes a backup of your disk including data which you use to restore the 
> system.  If you haven't backed up in a while, it even reminds you to do it.  
> 
> So, if you do switch to the Mac, be sure and allow yourself time to integrate 
> the new knowledge systematically.  I for one, would never even consider 
> returning to using a PC.  But if for some reason I had to, I would either use 
> bootcamp or VM Fusion instead of going back to a computer environment which 
> is so unstable and unpredictable.  To me, using a PC became unviable in my 
> work environment so it had to go.  
> 
> The only thing I find more difficult with Mac is using Skype.  On the PC you 
> can use GW Connect which manages voice and text chatting tasks very well.  
> When I called GW Micro to ask them if they would make a Mac version, I 
> thought they were going to hang up on me.  So, that is the only compromise I 
> feel I have made.  
> 
> Good luck with your decision and keep asking us questions.
> Jean
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Re: keyboard app?

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Hello,

The app that I know that does this is called 1Keybaord. It basically requires a 
bluetooth enabled Mac and turns your Mac into a bluetooth keyboard.  Here is a 
link to the app info at the developer's site:
http://www.eyalw.com/1keyboard

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On Mar 23, 2014, at 6:57 AM, Kliphton ---  wrote:

> I now have an MBP, and I think someone mentioned a while back there was an 
> app that allowed you to use your MBP keyboard to switch between your phone 
> and computer?  I could be wrong, if I am not, can someone remind me?  Thanks.
> 
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Re: Stability of the Mac

[erik burggraaf]

I Gree.  WHy not spend 30-50 bucks for a nice voice and give them NVDA?

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On 2014-04-01, at 11:28 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:

> That's horrible. Why in the world, Window-eyes? I'd put that below System 
> Access even, although Wineyes does work with, Thurderbird at least. But 
> still, giving us computers without training is like giving us cars. 
> 
> Sent from my iPod
> 
> On Apr 1, 2014, at 21:53, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
>> Yes, but there are some folks who could get by with an IOS device only. If 
>> you do wanted BARD, email, and the ability to write text files, you could 
>> very easily just use your iPhone, maybe with a keyboard. I know a blind gal 
>> right now that, if she got a computer, would be better off with an iPhone 
>> instead of what she might be about to do because somebody is talking her 
>> into it. 
>> 
>> There is an organization here in Texas that gives away Windows computers to 
>> blind people. Sounds real good right? The only thing is that they are giving 
>> these computers to blind people that are unable to get them through the 
>> state and in most cases, as far as I can tell, usually people with very low 
>> income. However, there's no training, and they are giving them to people, 
>> for the most part, who know nothing about computers. They come right out and 
>> say that you have to have someone on hand to help you learn your system 
>> because they don't do it. The other thing they do is to put the demo version 
>> of WindowEyes in the computer, and then the receivers of these computers 
>> that they will need to get WindowEyes when the time runs out. 
>> 
>> My friend is considering this, and I told her to make sure that the person 
>> that was helping her get this computer was going to hebbp her later, and I 
>> warned her about getting WindowEyes later. She could NVDA in there, but then 
>> she would have to to learn a new screen reader, and this lady knows just 
>> about nothing concerning computers. I'm glad she told me she was thinking 
>> about it. 
>> 
>> If she were to get an IOS device, she wouldn't have this problem. In fact, 
>> she wouldn't have this problem if this same organization would figure out a 
>> way to give some of these people Macs. At least they wouldn't have to get 
>> screen reader software later. I recently heard a talk given by a 
>> representative of this organization, and I asked him if they would be 
>> receptive to other computers. He said yes, but then he sort blew off my 
>> concerns when I started to mention the issues above. 
>> 
>> Regards, 
>> Gigi 
>> 
>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 8:08 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, If I may, and no disrespect, but a computer is still needed for some 
>>> things that a tablet or smart phone cannot currently do. Having said that, 
>>> I will give you that these devices can do a heck of a lot more than they 
>>> could several years ago.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 9:12 PM, erik burggraaf  wrote:
>>> 
 I find my mac more stable than pc's although I so seldome use a pc these 
 days and the ones I do use are tweaked down so they perform really well.
 
 I've been using a mack for 6 years now and have no reason to prefer a PC 
 these days.  Having said that, this will be my last ever mac.  When it is 
 ready to move on in another couple of years, the personal computer itself 
 will be on the longtail and it just won't make any sense to invest in 
 another personal computer, mac or PC.  In fact, an increasing number of my 
 clients are just as effective on a tablet or smart phone as they are on a 
 computer, and it meets all of their day to day computing needs very well, 
 including: email, web browsing, web applications such as apps and mobile 
 banking, OCR reading, bar code identification diabetes and other medical 
 monitoring, non-verbal communication, literature access in braille, large 
 print and audio, and more.  The world of office tasks has now opened up to 
 us using IOS 7 and android 4.4.  Several printing solutions are accessible 
 including the samsung one that I am currently using.  Simple audio 
 production tasks are viable.  And we have access to features that aren't 
 really viable on pc's such as security systems management, and GPS 
 navigation.  Soon we'll have micro-location support and many other 
 opportunities that will encourage us to leave the desktop/laptop world 
 behind.  It may behoove you to simply invest more time learning IOS and 
 picking up apps and accessories that enrich your experience in the mobile 
 world, rather than investing in a switch to an expensive new technology 
 that will be obsolete in three years.  We are just now stepping inside the 
 time frame where cost vs efficiency of PC systems is about to become a 
 serious c

Re: Stability of the Mac

[erik burggraaf]

If you have the feature pack for the stream you can record your notes in wave 
or mp3 and simply copy and paste them.
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On 2014-04-02, at 12:40 AM, Kerri  wrote:

> the only thing I wish the mac would do--and this is no fault of the mac--is 
> have the ability to convert the notes from a victor reader stream so I don't 
> have to use humanWare companion.
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 1, 2014, at 9:31 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
>> Yes, you can even reinstall your operating system completely without sighted 
>> help, this is something windows does not provide. If someone offered me a 
>> windows PC for free, I would say, thanks, but no thanks. the mac does 
>> everything I need, and does it better than windows.
>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 4:23 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>> 
>>> All I have to say is that Mac is much much more stable than Windows with a 
>>> screen reader. If things go wrong, I rarely feel I'm out of control. I am 
>>> very rarely left in the middle of doing something without speech whereas on 
>>> Windows it was and still is a frequent occurrence.  I feel much more in 
>>> control on my Mac.  
>>> 
>>> Andrew
>>> On 1 Apr 2014, at 20:21, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:
>>> 
 Jenine, I can basically echo what you say. I was a windows user from the 
 windows 95 os. In fact, I worked for Microsoft for three years and so had 
 to believe in something that provided me with my bread and butter, and of 
 course, chocolate. (grin) However, I could crash any windows system with 
 great ease. Some of it is the OS itself, which, although it is better in 
 versions 7 and 8, still has more crashing issues than Mac. Some of it, 
 probably most of it, is due to the fact the the screen reading software is 
 separate from the os. this has always caused instability and i don't see 
 that changing any time soon.
 
 When it comes to iOS, there's no contest in my oppinion. Talks and Mobile 
 speaks and anything else is just so much more fickle than is the iOS. I, 
 and lots of people i know, struggled constantly with crashes and lock-ups 
 and having to turn the phone on and off a great number of times even in a 
 day.
 
 I am very happy with both mac os and ios platforms andwould not want to 
 give them up.
 
 . on apr 1, 2014, at 2:26 pm, jenine stanley  
 wrote:
 
 this is an interesting question. from just an average user point of view, 
 i have been using my macbook pro since early february and use a windows 
 laptop for work. they literally sit side by side on my desk. 
 
 i had used the iphone since 2011 so was sort of familiar with how 
 voiceover works and love it on the ios platform that said, it's very 
 different on the mac or os side. 
 
 speaking first to stability, i managed to crash the mbp twice in the first 
 week but literally have not made the speech stop since then. has my mbp 
 slowed down or acted strangely a few times without explanation? yes, but 
 it's come back to its original performance soon after these fits. 
 
 my windows machine frequently hangs up both in the operating system in 
 general and because of screen reader/video issues. outlook is really bad 
 about this and i usually have to reboot at least once a day. yes, i 
 maintain my windows machine well with weekly cleaning and such but ... 
 
 the one thing that you will find difficult at first but which, if you 
 continue to plug away at it will soon become second nature, is the whole 
 concept of interacting with things. i hated it at first and still am not 
 fond of it. unlike the ios realm, you have to take an extra step to access 
 some things using voice over. once you get used to it though and combine 
 quick nav with the regular vo operation, and ask this list a ton of stupid 
 questions, :) you'll be fine. 
 
 i really like the variety of quality voices available with vo too. it's 
 fast and responsive. i'm sold. be sure though to give yourself some time 
 and be patient. beprepared to read over and over any and all instructions, 
 podcasts and other things about switching, commands and apps. 
 jenine stanley
 dragonwalke...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 on apr 1, 2014, at 2:14 pm, scott rumery  wrote:
 
 hello scott,
 
 you will probably get a lot of varying opinions on this topic so you will 
 have to decide which ones you will take seriously or not. having said this 
 let me first tell you that ever since i switched to using a mac more than 
 3 years ago i have become probably one of the biggest apple fan boys that 
 there is, so my thoughts on this subject are going to have a strong apple 
 bias to them.
 
 if you are wanting a computing environment  that is very stable compared 

downloading files mobily was Re: Stability of the Mac

[erik burggraaf]

I do this all the time with PDF MP3, Docx, and zip among other files.  It's 
very possible and highlyfunctional on both android and IOS.  If you're having 
trouble with this, post in a separate thread with the tablet device you're 
using and I will help you out.

Best,
 
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On 2014-04-02, at 1:49 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> You all forget that you can't download files using a tablet, i.e. some 
> software from a website that some one has sent you a link.
> 
> Kawal.
> On 2 Apr 2014, at 06:35, Maria and Joe Chapman  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi.  I find that an iPhone or iPad doesn't quite meet my needs.  I still use 
>> a macbook primarily when I am at home. There are still things like advanced 
>> word processing that are kind of difficult on a tablet or smart phone. 
>> that's just my opinion though.
>> Blessings!
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 2 Apr 2014, at 12:12 pm, erik burggraaf  wrote:
>> 
>>> I find my mac more stable than pc's although I so seldome use a pc these 
>>> days and the ones I do use are tweaked down so they perform really well.
>>> 
>>> I've been using a mack for 6 years now and have no reason to prefer a PC 
>>> these days.  Having said that, this will be my last ever mac.  When it is 
>>> ready to move on in another couple of years, the personal computer itself 
>>> will be on the longtail and it just won't make any sense to invest in 
>>> another personal computer, mac or PC.  In fact, an increasing number of my 
>>> clients are just as effective on a tablet or smart phone as they are on a 
>>> computer, and it meets all of their day to day computing needs very well, 
>>> including: email, web browsing, web applications such as apps and mobile 
>>> banking, OCR reading, bar code identification diabetes and other medical 
>>> monitoring, non-verbal communication, literature access in braille, large 
>>> print and audio, and more.  The world of office tasks has now opened up to 
>>> us using IOS 7 and android 4.4.  Several printing solutions are accessible 
>>> including the samsung one that I am currently using.  Simple audio 
>>> production tasks are viable.  And we have access to features that aren't 
>>> really viable on pc's such as security systems management, and GPS 
>>> navigation.  Soon we'll have micro-location support and many other 
>>> opportunities that will encourage us to leave the desktop/laptop world 
>>> behind.  It may behoove you to simply invest more time learning IOS and 
>>> picking up apps and accessories that enrich your experience in the mobile 
>>> world, rather than investing in a switch to an expensive new technology 
>>> that will be obsolete in three years.  We are just now stepping inside the 
>>> time frame where cost vs efficiency of PC systems is about to become a 
>>> serious concern in the consumer market.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Erik Burggraaf
>>> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
>>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>>> 
>>> On 2014-04-01, at 5:24 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
 I find the mac to be very stable, certainly far less problems than with 
 windows. It's not perfect, no platform is, but I have 3 macs and have no 
 desire to switch back to a PC.
 Original message:
 
> Hi Everyone,
 
> As I said previously, I am thinking about getting a Mac and the main 
> reason is that I am tired of the increasing instability of the PC 
> environment. My first question is, is this really different on a Mac?
 
> I am using JAWS 15 with Windows 8. Both are not all that stable. I have 
> been a JAWS user for 17 years and I have noticed a definite progressive 
> increase in instability with the last few releases. JAWS crashes 
> frequently and, even if it doesn't crash, it often stops talking when 
> errors occur with other applications. Then, there's Windows 8. I don't 
> mind the Windows 8 interface but several times per week, I will have a 
> problem that requires me to restart my computer. I did not have that 
> nearly as much with Windows 7. Also, it isn't unusual for me to install a 
> program which will, either directly or through add ins, make Windows 
> and/or JAWS more unstable. I then have to decide rather the additional 
> functionality is worth the increased instability. I'm just tired of all 
> the crashes and reboots and having to use three or four screen readers 
> because I have to run one when another one crashes.
 
> By contrast, my iPhone and iPad, while not perfect, are certainly more 
> stable. VoiceOver seldom just stops working. Of course, every single app 
> is not accessible and they do not all work correctly but any problems 
> with an app are almost always confined only to that app. When an app 
> crashes, it us

Re: keyboard app?

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi there
I have one called type two phone which turns your Mac keyboard into a keyboard 
for your iPhone.
Gigi

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> On Apr 2, 2014, at 12:52 PM, Kayaker  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> The app that I know that does this is called 1Keybaord. It basically requires 
> a bluetooth enabled Mac and turns your Mac into a bluetooth keyboard.  Here 
> is a link to the app info at the developer’s site:
> http://www.eyalw.com/1keyboard
> 
> —k
> 
> Faith doesn’t give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the 
> questions.
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2014, at 6:57 AM, Kliphton ---  wrote:
>> 
>> I now have an MBP, and I think someone mentioned a while back there was an 
>> app that allowed you to use your MBP keyboard to switch between your phone 
>> and computer?  I could be wrong, if I am not, can someone remind me?  Thanks.
>> 
>> Kliphton
>> 
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account problems with mac air

[Caitlyn and Maggie]

Hi,
I created 2 accounts on my macbook air, one for me and one for my husband.  I 
have it set up to display the log in screen upon booting, and we each have to 
enter the respective passwords for our accounts.

Everything was working fine until today.  When I tried to log onto my account, 
it wouldn't accept my correct password.  Just to double check, I asked for the 
password hint.  As I thought, the one I was using was the correct one.  I kept 
getting a log on failed message, so reset my password using my apple id, as 
prompted by the computer.  

Now, I get the log on screen, type in my password, but then nothing happens.  
The mac air makes that wonderful bonking sound, and I can't turn on voice over 
or anything.

I can log onto the computer using my husband's credentials, but he doesn't have 
admin privileges.  I tried to log on as guest, but got the same results as for 
my own account.

How do I fix this so I can log on, using my own account?

thanks!
Caitlyn

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Re: account problems with mac air

[John Panarese]

   Is VoiceOver on in the login window?  This may be a foolish questions, but I 
have witnessed it happen, but you didn't have the caps lock on by accident when 
you were trying the password originally?  

   If you have reset your password, you might be seeing a dialog about your 
keychain, but VoiceOver should be able to be functioning.  I'd need more 
details.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

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On Apr 2, 2014, at 2:25 PM, Caitlyn and Maggie  
wrote:

> Hi,
> I created 2 accounts on my macbook air, one for me and one for my husband.  I 
> have it set up to display the log in screen upon booting, and we each have to 
> enter the respective passwords for our accounts.
> 
> Everything was working fine until today.  When I tried to log onto my 
> account, it wouldn't accept my correct password.  Just to double check, I 
> asked for the password hint.  As I thought, the one I was using was the 
> correct one.  I kept getting a log on failed message, so reset my password 
> using my apple id, as prompted by the computer.  
> 
> Now, I get the log on screen, type in my password, but then nothing happens.  
> The mac air makes that wonderful bonking sound, and I can't turn on voice 
> over or anything.
> 
> I can log onto the computer using my husband's credentials, but he doesn't 
> have admin privileges.  I tried to log on as guest, but got the same results 
> as for my own account.
> 
> How do I fix this so I can log on, using my own account?
> 
> thanks!
> Caitlyn
> 
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Re: mac learning curve

[Eugenia Firth]

I think it varies. It took me about two weeks because I have been teaching 
myself computers for years. My first computer was at Apple to eat, and that 
then you better teach yourself or you didn't learn.
Also, I am infamous for sitting down and reading software documentation all the 
way from beginning to end. I keep going even when I don't understand it yet, 
figuring I'll get it sooner or later.  So I force myself to use the new system 
for whatever I am doing at the time, even if I could go back to the old system 
and get it done faster. I found in the long run I learned things better that 
way. It's painful sometimes, but it works for me. 
People that have not gotten their Mac  yet, one of the first commands you want 
to remember, is far as I'm concerned, is command Z. I did not know about that 
one, and as a result, I sent my husband's computer about 50 folders when I was 
first learning the Mac. He was not pleased. If I had known about that one from 
the beginning, I could've pressed it right away when I got it wrong. Then it 
would've gotten undone immediately.



Gigi

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> On Apr 2, 2014, at 12:50 PM, Kerri  wrote:
> 
> hillo, Jean:
> 
> I think the learning curve is steep for most people and in this I was 
> fortunate as I am (unfortunately) unemployed and so could take the time to 
> learn the Mac. For me the most difficult aspect was knowing how to access 
> help because this list though helpful, was unable to assist until I learned 
> how to compose an email. I say this because if I’d known that would have been 
> the first question I’d have asked. Composing a new email is done with command 
> plus n once you open the emial client. 
> 
>   ***
> "Thousands of years ago, cats were worshiped as gods. They have never
> forgotten this."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 9:38 AM, Jean Parker  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello to the person who is thinking of making the switch to mac:
>> I did this about a year ago and here are my thoughts.
>> First of all, the reason I switched was similar to that of other people, my 
>> PC became inoperable one to many times and it was at a time when I was to 
>> have begun an online  teaching assignment.  I came very close to losing my 
>> job because getting the PC laptop repaired/replaced and then everything 
>> restored took so long.  It was a total disaster!  
>> 
>> The learning curve was steep for me and it took about two months to return 
>> to any semblance of efficiency.  I am sure it is shorter for many people and 
>> longer for others.  So, during the transition, it would be helpful to allow 
>> for the time and energy it will take to learn the new system and screen 
>> reader.  
>> 
>> There are fantastic resources on this list for getting help.  These include 
>> several people who are authorised by Apple to teach the Mac using Voiceover. 
>>  Keep in mind however, that Apple does not pay for this training and 
>> although it is reasonably priced, this is one area where Apple could do 
>> better.  I live close to an Apple store and although I had the One to One 
>> training the first year I had my Mac, I did not renew it.  I found that the 
>> trainers were very knowledgeable about the Mac but not about Voiceover.  I 
>> receive far superior information from this list without leaving home.  
>> 
>> If you live near an Apple store you also have access to something called a 
>> Genious Bar.  If you are having some difficulty with your computer, after an 
>> upgrade for example, you can take it to them and get it sorted out for free. 
>>  Apple has phone support which others on this list have much more experience 
>> with than I do.  
>> 
>> In general, working with and maintaining the Mac is a much more streamlined 
>> process than a PC.  For example, my disk drive bit the dust the last time I 
>> was working in India.  Because I have Apple Care, it was replaced with no 
>> charge but I found that the restoration process was a thousand times easier 
>> and less time-consuming than it ever was on the PC.  Apple has Time Machine 
>> which makes a backup of your disk including data which you use to restore 
>> the system.  If you haven't backed up in a while, it even reminds you to do 
>> it.  
>> 
>> So, if you do switch to the Mac, be sure and allow yourself time to 
>> integrate the new knowledge systematically.  I for one, would never even 
>> consider returning to using a PC.  But if for some reason I had to, I would 
>> either use bootcamp or VM Fusion instead of going back to a computer 
>> environment which is so unstable and unpredictable.  To me, using a PC 
>> became unviable in my work environment so it had to go.  
>> 
>> The only thing I find more difficult with Mac is using Skype.  On the PC you 
>> can use GW Connect which manages voice and text chatting tasks very well.  
>> When I called GW Micro to ask them if they would make a Mac version, I 
>> thought they were going to hang up on me.  So, that is the only comprom

Re: Simulating a Mac on a PC

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi there
For Scott who is new to the list, do you live near an Apple store? If you do, 
they will let you come in there, turn voiceover on, and do things with the 
computer. There is a tutorial that comes up when you first turn voiceover on 
that takes you through the basics.
Gigi

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> On Apr 2, 2014, at 12:48 PM, alberto  wrote:
> 
> Hi, even with a bought copy you have those restrictions.
>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Scott Duck  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> You very well may be correct and it may be illegal any way that you do it,
>> if it is even possible.  However, just so there is no confusion, I wasn't
>> talking about pirating it.  I assume that, if I were to purchase a copy of
>> OSX, I could legally install it on anything that I like, just as one can
>> install Windows on a Mac if they own the copy of Windows that they are
>> installing.  However, it may not even be possible to purchase OSX without a
>> Mac.  Probably isn't, now that I think about it, as I don't think that they
>> sell it on CD any more.  Anyway, just didn't want you to think that I was
>> trying to do something that I shouldn't.
>> Thanks,
>> Scott Duck
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Apple boy
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:12 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Simulating a Mac on a PC
>> 
>> I'm sure this is actually illegal under the Apple License terms for Mac Os X
>> but someone can prove me wrong if they like.
>> 
>> Regards Chris
>> 
>> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
>> 
>>> On 02/04/2014 16:17, Scott Duck wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Is there a relatively easy way to run OSX in a virtual environment on a
>> PC?
>>> I know that, doing it that way, I wouldn't get the stability of a Mac 
>>> but it would give me a taste of using one.  And, by relatively easy, I 
>>> don't mean in 246 easy steps.  LOL
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Scott Duck
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Re: Simulating a Mac on a PC

[Chris Apple boy]

Yes that is what's so nice about Apple Stores. Even though I haven't 
been in one I am hearing nothing but praise regarding the Apple Store.


Regards Chris

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On 02/04/2014 19:36, Eugenia Firth wrote:

Hi there
For Scott who is new to the list, do you live near an Apple store? If you do, 
they will let you come in there, turn voiceover on, and do things with the 
computer. There is a tutorial that comes up when you first turn voiceover on 
that takes you through the basics.
Gigi

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On Apr 2, 2014, at 12:48 PM, alberto  wrote:

Hi, even with a bought copy you have those restrictions.

On Apr 2, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Scott Duck  wrote:

Hi Chris,
You very well may be correct and it may be illegal any way that you do it,
if it is even possible.  However, just so there is no confusion, I wasn't
talking about pirating it.  I assume that, if I were to purchase a copy of
OSX, I could legally install it on anything that I like, just as one can
install Windows on a Mac if they own the copy of Windows that they are
installing.  However, it may not even be possible to purchase OSX without a
Mac.  Probably isn't, now that I think about it, as I don't think that they
sell it on CD any more.  Anyway, just didn't want you to think that I was
trying to do something that I shouldn't.
Thanks,
Scott Duck

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Apple boy
Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Simulating a Mac on a PC

I'm sure this is actually illegal under the Apple License terms for Mac Os X
but someone can prove me wrong if they like.

Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!


On 02/04/2014 16:17, Scott Duck wrote:
Hi,

Is there a relatively easy way to run OSX in a virtual environment on a

PC?

I know that, doing it that way, I wouldn't get the stability of a Mac
but it would give me a taste of using one.  And, by relatively easy, I
don't mean in 246 easy steps.  LOL

Thanks,

Scott Duck


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Re: Stability of the Mac

[Mike Arrigo]

I don't use muds, so that's not an issue for me, though I know this is 
important to some people. I think someone was developing a mac client 
called imud, but not sure what happened to it.

Original message:
Hmm, everything? Have you found a MUD client of the likes of Mush-z, 
that is free? Also, there are very few games for the blind on mac, 
although I must honestly say I don't play many games on Windows anyway, lol.



Sent from my iPod



On Apr 1, 2014, at 23:31, Mike Arrigo  wrote:


Yes, you can even reinstall your operating system completely without 
sighted help, this is something windows does not provide. If someone 
offered me a windows PC for free, I would say, thanks, but no thanks. 
the mac does everything I need, and does it better than windows.

On Apr 1, 2014, at 4:23 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:


All I have to say is that Mac is much much more stable than Windows 
with a screen reader. If things go wrong, I rarely feel I'm out of 
control. I am very rarely left in the middle of doing something without 
speech whereas on Windows it was and still is a frequent occurrence.  I 
feel much more in control on my Mac.



Andrew

On 1 Apr 2014, at 20:21, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:


Jenine, I can basically echo what you say. I was a windows user from 
the windows 95 os. In fact, I worked for Microsoft for three years and 
so had to believe in something that provided me with my bread and 
butter, and of course, chocolate. (grin) However, I could crash any 
windows system with great ease. Some of it is the OS itself, which, 
although it is better in versions 7 and 8, still has more crashing 
issues than Mac. Some of it, probably most of it, is due to the fact 
the the screen reading software is separate from the os. this has 
always caused instability and i don't see that changing any time soon.


When it comes to iOS, there's no contest in my oppinion. Talks and 
Mobile speaks and anything else is just so much more fickle than is the 
iOS. I, and lots of people i know, struggled constantly with crashes 
and lock-ups and having to turn the phone on and off a great number of 
times even in a day.


I am very happy with both mac os and ios platforms andwould not want to 
give them up.



. on apr 1, 2014, at 2:26 pm, jenine stanley  wrote:


this is an interesting question. from just an average user point of 
view, i have been using my macbook pro since early february and use a 
windows laptop for work. they literally sit side by side on my desk.


i had used the iphone since 2011 so was sort of familiar with how 
voiceover works and love it on the ios platform that said, it's very 
different on the mac or os side.


speaking first to stability, i managed to crash the mbp twice in the 
first week but literally have not made the speech stop since then. has 
my mbp slowed down or acted strangely a few times without explanation? 
yes, but it's come back to its original performance soon after these fits.


my windows machine frequently hangs up both in the operating system in 
general and because of screen reader/video issues. outlook is really 
bad about this and i usually have to reboot at least once a day. yes, i 
maintain my windows machine well with weekly cleaning and such but ...


the one thing that you will find difficult at first but which, if you 
continue to plug away at it will soon become second nature, is the 
whole concept of interacting with things. i hated it at first and still 
am not fond of it. unlike the ios realm, you have to take an extra step 
to access some things using voice over. once you get used to it though 
and combine quick nav with the regular vo operation, and ask this list 
a ton of stupid questions, :) you'll be fine.


i really like the variety of quality voices available with vo too. it's 
fast and responsive. i'm sold. be sure though to give yourself some 
time and be patient. beprepared to read over and over any and all 
instructions, podcasts and other things about switching, commands and apps.

jenine stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com





on apr 1, 2014, at 2:14 pm, scott rumery  wrote:



hello scott,


you will probably get a lot of varying opinions on this topic so you 
will have to decide which ones you will take seriously or not. having 
said this let me first tell you that ever since i switched to using a 
mac more than 3 years ago i have become probably one of the biggest 
apple fan boys that there is, so my thoughts on this subject are going 
to have a strong apple bias to them.


if you are wanting a computing environment  that is very stable 
compared  to what you are currently getting on the windows platform 
then in my opinion you would be very happy with a mac.


the instability of my windows computer is exactly what helped me to 
make the decision to make the switch over 3 years ago.


i used to have to restart my windows computer several times a day and 
now that i am on a mac i hardly ever need to reboot.


you will notice that i said "hardly." i ha

Re: Simulating a Mac on a PC

[Chris Apple boy]

See because Mac Os X is only available in the Mac App Store it is now 
impossible to purchase it for devices other than a mac. So even if it 
wasn't illegal you still have the restrictions and Apple certainly 
reinforces these by only making it available in the Mac App Store.


Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 02/04/2014 18:48, alberto wrote:

Hi, even with a bought copy you have those restrictions.
On Apr 2, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Scott Duck  wrote:


Hi Chris,
You very well may be correct and it may be illegal any way that you do it,
if it is even possible.  However, just so there is no confusion, I wasn't
talking about pirating it.  I assume that, if I were to purchase a copy of
OSX, I could legally install it on anything that I like, just as one can
install Windows on a Mac if they own the copy of Windows that they are
installing.  However, it may not even be possible to purchase OSX without a
Mac.  Probably isn't, now that I think about it, as I don't think that they
sell it on CD any more.  Anyway, just didn't want you to think that I was
trying to do something that I shouldn't.
Thanks,
Scott Duck

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Apple boy
Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:12 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Simulating a Mac on a PC

I'm sure this is actually illegal under the Apple License terms for Mac Os X
but someone can prove me wrong if they like.

Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 02/04/2014 16:17, Scott Duck wrote:

Hi,

Is there a relatively easy way to run OSX in a virtual environment on a

PC?

I know that, doing it that way, I wouldn't get the stability of a Mac
but it would give me a taste of using one.  And, by relatively easy, I
don't mean in 246 easy steps.  LOL

Thanks,

Scott Duck



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RE: Stability of the Mac

[BBS]

I just want to correct the person that said there are only a few games on
the Mac. There are a lot of games to play on here. I like to play RS Games
and the Playroom on here with its web client.


Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 1:54 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Stability of the Mac

I don't use muds, so that's not an issue for me, though I know this is
important to some people. I think someone was developing a mac client called
imud, but not sure what happened to it.
Original message:
> Hmm, everything? Have you found a MUD client of the likes of Mush-z, 
> that is free? Also, there are very few games for the blind on mac, 
> although I must honestly say I don't play many games on Windows anyway,
lol.

> Sent from my iPod

>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 23:31, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

>> Yes, you can even reinstall your operating system completely without 
>> sighted help, this is something windows does not provide. If someone 
>> offered me a windows PC for free, I would say, thanks, but no thanks.
>> the mac does everything I need, and does it better than windows.
>>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 4:23 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:

>>> All I have to say is that Mac is much much more stable than Windows 
>>> with a screen reader. If things go wrong, I rarely feel I'm out of 
>>> control. I am very rarely left in the middle of doing something without 
>>> speech whereas on Windows it was and still is a frequent occurrence.  I 
>>> feel much more in control on my Mac.

>>> Andrew
 On 1 Apr 2014, at 20:21, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:

 Jenine, I can basically echo what you say. I was a windows user from 
 the windows 95 os. In fact, I worked for Microsoft for three years and 
 so had to believe in something that provided me with my bread and 
 butter, and of course, chocolate. (grin) However, I could crash any 
 windows system with great ease. Some of it is the OS itself, which, 
 although it is better in versions 7 and 8, still has more crashing 
 issues than Mac. Some of it, probably most of it, is due to the fact 
 the the screen reading software is separate from the os. this has 
 always caused instability and i don't see that changing any time soon.

 When it comes to iOS, there's no contest in my oppinion. Talks and 
 Mobile speaks and anything else is just so much more fickle than is the

 iOS. I, and lots of people i know, struggled constantly with crashes 
 and lock-ups and having to turn the phone on and off a great number of 
 times even in a day.

 I am very happy with both mac os and ios platforms andwould not want to

 give them up.

 . on apr 1, 2014, at 2:26 pm, jenine stanley 
wrote:

 this is an interesting question. from just an average user point of 
 view, i have been using my macbook pro since early february and use a 
 windows laptop for work. they literally sit side by side on my desk.

 i had used the iphone since 2011 so was sort of familiar with how 
 voiceover works and love it on the ios platform that said, it's very 
 different on the mac or os side.

 speaking first to stability, i managed to crash the mbp twice in the 
 first week but literally have not made the speech stop since then. has 
 my mbp slowed down or acted strangely a few times without explanation? 
 yes, but it's come back to its original performance soon after these
fits.

 my windows machine frequently hangs up both in the operating system in 
 general and because of screen reader/video issues. outlook is really 
 bad about this and i usually have to reboot at least once a day. yes, i

 maintain my windows machine well with weekly cleaning and such but ...

 the one thing that you will find difficult at first but which, if you 
 continue to plug away at it will soon become second nature, is the 
 whole concept of interacting with things. i hated it at first and still

 am not fond of it. unlike the ios realm, you have to take an extra step

 to access some things using voice over. once you get used to it though 
 and combine quick nav with the regular vo operation, and ask this list 
 a ton of stupid questions, :) you'll be fine.

 i really like the variety of quality voices available with vo too. it's

 fast and responsive. i'm sold. be sure though to give yourself some 
 time and be patient. beprepared to read over and over any and all 
 instructions, podcasts and other things about switching, commands and
apps.
 jenine stanley
 dragonwalke...@gmail.com



 on apr 1, 2014, at 2:14 pm, scott rumery 
wrote:

 hello scott,

 you will probably get a lot of varying opinions on this topic so you 
 will have to decide which ones you will take seriously or not. havin

Re: mac learning curve

[Teresa Cochran]

I've had exactly the same learning experience and methods as you, Gigi. Not 
everyone learns best this way, unfortunately, so I guess we and a certain 
number of others have been lucky. Getting my Mac Mini was like receiving a 
particularly challenging three-D puzzle game. I had a momentary panic when I 
suddenly blanked on the keystroke for getting to the menus for the first time. 
I had to call my sighted sister, who uses the keyboard extensively. She even 
found the vO keystroke. The first thing I did was send an email to my mom. I 
make a habit of going through all the menu items in an app, hoping my backbrain 
will hang onto it somehow, and usually, I can dredge something up when I 
recognize it from a menu.

Teresa

Slow down; you'll get there faster.

On Apr 2, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> I think it varies. It took me about two weeks because I have been teaching 
> myself computers for years. My first computer was at Apple to eat, and that 
> then you better teach yourself or you didn't learn.
> Also, I am infamous for sitting down and reading software documentation all 
> the way from beginning to end. I keep going even when I don't understand it 
> yet, figuring I'll get it sooner or later.  So I force myself to use the new 
> system for whatever I am doing at the time, even if I could go back to the 
> old system and get it done faster. I found in the long run I learned things 
> better that way. It's painful sometimes, but it works for me. 
> People that have not gotten their Mac  yet, one of the first commands you 
> want to remember, is far as I'm concerned, is command Z. I did not know about 
> that one, and as a result, I sent my husband's computer about 50 folders when 
> I was first learning the Mac. He was not pleased. If I had known about that 
> one from the beginning, I could've pressed it right away when I got it wrong. 
> Then it would've gotten undone immediately.
> 
> 
> 
> Gigi
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 2, 2014, at 12:50 PM, Kerri  wrote:
> 
>> hillo, Jean:
>> 
>> I think the learning curve is steep for most people and in this I was 
>> fortunate as I am (unfortunately) unemployed and so could take the time to 
>> learn the Mac. For me the most difficult aspect was knowing how to access 
>> help because this list though helpful, was unable to assist until I learned 
>> how to compose an email. I say this because if I'd known that would have 
>> been the first question I'd have asked. Composing a new email is done with 
>> command plus n once you open the emial client. 
>> 
>>  ***
>> "Thousands of years ago, cats were worshiped as gods. They have never
>> forgotten this."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 9:38 AM, Jean Parker  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello to the person who is thinking of making the switch to mac:
>>> I did this about a year ago and here are my thoughts.
>>> First of all, the reason I switched was similar to that of other people, my 
>>> PC became inoperable one to many times and it was at a time when I was to 
>>> have begun an online  teaching assignment.  I came very close to losing my 
>>> job because getting the PC laptop repaired/replaced and then everything 
>>> restored took so long.  It was a total disaster!  
>>> 
>>> The learning curve was steep for me and it took about two months to return 
>>> to any semblance of efficiency.  I am sure it is shorter for many people 
>>> and longer for others.  So, during the transition, it would be helpful to 
>>> allow for the time and energy it will take to learn the new system and 
>>> screen reader.  
>>> 
>>> There are fantastic resources on this list for getting help.  These include 
>>> several people who are authorised by Apple to teach the Mac using 
>>> Voiceover.  Keep in mind however, that Apple does not pay for this training 
>>> and although it is reasonably priced, this is one area where Apple could do 
>>> better.  I live close to an Apple store and although I had the One to One 
>>> training the first year I had my Mac, I did not renew it.  I found that the 
>>> trainers were very knowledgeable about the Mac but not about Voiceover.  I 
>>> receive far superior information from this list without leaving home.  
>>> 
>>> If you live near an Apple store you also have access to something called a 
>>> Genious Bar.  If you are having some difficulty with your computer, after 
>>> an upgrade for example, you can take it to them and get it sorted out for 
>>> free.  Apple has phone support which others on this list have much more 
>>> experience with than I do.  
>>> 
>>> In general, working with and maintaining the Mac is a much more streamlined 
>>> process than a PC.  For example, my disk drive bit the dust the last time I 
>>> was working in India.  Because I have Apple Care, it was replaced with no 
>>> charge but I found that the restoration process was a thousand times easier 
>>> and less time-consuming than it ever was on the PC.  Apple has Time Machine 
>>> wh

Re: Stability of the Mac

[Chris Apple boy]

Hi all
Sorry about that, I've not tested these myself so could only comment on 
the games I know are already available.


Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 02/04/2014 20:01, BBS wrote:

I just want to correct the person that said there are only a few games on
the Mac. There are a lot of games to play on here. I like to play RS Games
and the Playroom on here with its web client.


Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 1:54 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Stability of the Mac

I don't use muds, so that's not an issue for me, though I know this is
important to some people. I think someone was developing a mac client called
imud, but not sure what happened to it.
Original message:

Hmm, everything? Have you found a MUD client of the likes of Mush-z,
that is free? Also, there are very few games for the blind on mac,
although I must honestly say I don't play many games on Windows anyway,

lol.


Sent from my iPod



On Apr 1, 2014, at 23:31, Mike Arrigo  wrote:



Yes, you can even reinstall your operating system completely without
sighted help, this is something windows does not provide. If someone
offered me a windows PC for free, I would say, thanks, but no thanks.
the mac does everything I need, and does it better than windows.

On Apr 1, 2014, at 4:23 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:



All I have to say is that Mac is much much more stable than Windows
with a screen reader. If things go wrong, I rarely feel I'm out of
control. I am very rarely left in the middle of doing something without
speech whereas on Windows it was and still is a frequent occurrence.  I
feel much more in control on my Mac.



Andrew

On 1 Apr 2014, at 20:21, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:



Jenine, I can basically echo what you say. I was a windows user from
the windows 95 os. In fact, I worked for Microsoft for three years and
so had to believe in something that provided me with my bread and
butter, and of course, chocolate. (grin) However, I could crash any
windows system with great ease. Some of it is the OS itself, which,
although it is better in versions 7 and 8, still has more crashing
issues than Mac. Some of it, probably most of it, is due to the fact
the the screen reading software is separate from the os. this has
always caused instability and i don't see that changing any time soon.



When it comes to iOS, there's no contest in my oppinion. Talks and
Mobile speaks and anything else is just so much more fickle than is the



iOS. I, and lots of people i know, struggled constantly with crashes
and lock-ups and having to turn the phone on and off a great number of
times even in a day.



I am very happy with both mac os and ios platforms andwould not want to



give them up.



. on apr 1, 2014, at 2:26 pm, jenine stanley 

wrote:


this is an interesting question. from just an average user point of
view, i have been using my macbook pro since early february and use a
windows laptop for work. they literally sit side by side on my desk.



i had used the iphone since 2011 so was sort of familiar with how
voiceover works and love it on the ios platform that said, it's very
different on the mac or os side.



speaking first to stability, i managed to crash the mbp twice in the
first week but literally have not made the speech stop since then. has
my mbp slowed down or acted strangely a few times without explanation?
yes, but it's come back to its original performance soon after these

fits.


my windows machine frequently hangs up both in the operating system in
general and because of screen reader/video issues. outlook is really
bad about this and i usually have to reboot at least once a day. yes, i



maintain my windows machine well with weekly cleaning and such but ...



the one thing that you will find difficult at first but which, if you
continue to plug away at it will soon become second nature, is the
whole concept of interacting with things. i hated it at first and still



am not fond of it. unlike the ios realm, you have to take an extra step



to access some things using voice over. once you get used to it though
and combine quick nav with the regular vo operation, and ask this list
a ton of stupid questions, :) you'll be fine.



i really like the variety of quality voices available with vo too. it's



fast and responsive. i'm sold. be sure though to give yourself some
time and be patient. beprepared to read over and over any and all
instructions, podcasts and other things about switching, commands and

apps.

jenine stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com





on apr 1, 2014, at 2:14 pm, scott rumery 

wrote:


hello scott,



you will probably get a lot of varying opinions on this topic so you
will have to decide which ones you will take seriously or not. having
said this let me first tell you that ever since i swi

RE: Stability of the Mac

[Myrna Votta]

With the second generation Victor Stream, the default file type for notes is
MP3.  There is no longer that weird file type.  If you still have the first
generation of the Stream, then, if you purchase a license for the SoftPak,
then you can choose MP3 as the file type for your notes.  Therefore, in both
of those cases, there is no longer the need for the Humanware companion.

Myrna



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 12:51 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Stability of the Mac

Humanware should have developed a tool for the mac, or, better yet, it
should have used mp3 in the first place instead of a nonstandard format.
On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:40 PM, Kerri  wrote:

> the only thing I wish the mac would do--and this is no fault of the
mac--is have the ability to convert the notes from a victor reader stream so
I don't have to use humanWare companion.
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 1, 2014, at 9:31 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
>> Yes, you can even reinstall your operating system completely without
sighted help, this is something windows does not provide. If someone offered
me a windows PC for free, I would say, thanks, but no thanks. the mac does
everything I need, and does it better than windows.
>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 4:23 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>> 
>>> All I have to say is that Mac is much much more stable than Windows with
a screen reader. If things go wrong, I rarely feel I'm out of control. I am
very rarely left in the middle of doing something without speech whereas on
Windows it was and still is a frequent occurrence.  I feel much more in
control on my Mac.  
>>> 
>>> Andrew
>>> On 1 Apr 2014, at 20:21, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:
>>> 
 Jenine, I can basically echo what you say. I was a windows user from
the windows 95 os. In fact, I worked for Microsoft for three years and so
had to believe in something that provided me with my bread and butter, and
of course, chocolate. (grin) However, I could crash any windows system with
great ease. Some of it is the OS itself, which, although it is better in
versions 7 and 8, still has more crashing issues than Mac. Some of it,
probably most of it, is due to the fact the the screen reading software is
separate from the os. this has always caused instability and i don't see
that changing any time soon.
 
 When it comes to iOS, there's no contest in my oppinion. Talks and
Mobile speaks and anything else is just so much more fickle than is the iOS.
I, and lots of people i know, struggled constantly with crashes and lock-ups
and having to turn the phone on and off a great number of times even in a
day.
 
 I am very happy with both mac os and ios platforms andwould not want to
give them up.
 
 . on apr 1, 2014, at 2:26 pm, jenine stanley 
wrote:
 
 this is an interesting question. from just an average user point of
view, i have been using my macbook pro since early february and use a
windows laptop for work. they literally sit side by side on my desk. 
 
 i had used the iphone since 2011 so was sort of familiar with how
voiceover works and love it on the ios platform that said, it's very
different on the mac or os side. 
 
 speaking first to stability, i managed to crash the mbp twice in the
first week but literally have not made the speech stop since then. has my
mbp slowed down or acted strangely a few times without explanation? yes, but
it's come back to its original performance soon after these fits. 
 
 my windows machine frequently hangs up both in the operating system in
general and because of screen reader/video issues. outlook is really bad
about this and i usually have to reboot at least once a day. yes, i maintain
my windows machine well with weekly cleaning and such but ... 
 
 the one thing that you will find difficult at first but which, if you
continue to plug away at it will soon become second nature, is the whole
concept of interacting with things. i hated it at first and still am not
fond of it. unlike the ios realm, you have to take an extra step to access
some things using voice over. once you get used to it though and combine
quick nav with the regular vo operation, and ask this list a ton of stupid
questions, :) you'll be fine. 
 
 i really like the variety of quality voices available with vo too. it's
fast and responsive. i'm sold. be sure though to give yourself some time and
be patient. beprepared to read over and over any and all instructions,
podcasts and other things about switching, commands and apps. 
 jenine stanley
 dragonwalke...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 on apr 1, 2014, at 2:14 pm, scott rumery 
wrote:
 
 hello scott,
 
 you will probably get a lot of varying opinions on this topic so you
will have to decide which ones you will take seriously or not. having said
this let me first tell you that ever sin

Re: account problems with mac air

[Caitlyn and Maggie]

Hi John,
Yes, vo is active on the log on screen.

I'll try again and see if the caps lock key was pressed, but I don't think it 
was.  It easily could've happened, though, because my cat was sitting with me 
and could've easily stepped on the caps lock.(grin)

Cait

On Apr 2, 2014, at 2:32 PM, John Panarese  wrote:

>   Is VoiceOver on in the login window?  This may be a foolish questions, but 
> I have witnessed it happen, but you didn't have the caps lock on by accident 
> when you were trying the password originally?  
> 
>   If you have reset your password, you might be seeing a dialog about your 
> keychain, but VoiceOver should be able to be functioning.  I'd need more 
> details.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX 10.7 LION and 10.8 Mountain 
> Lion
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 2, 2014, at 2:25 PM, Caitlyn and Maggie  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I created 2 accounts on my macbook air, one for me and one for my husband.  
>> I have it set up to display the log in screen upon booting, and we each have 
>> to enter the respective passwords for our accounts.
>> 
>> Everything was working fine until today.  When I tried to log onto my 
>> account, it wouldn't accept my correct password.  Just to double check, I 
>> asked for the password hint.  As I thought, the one I was using was the 
>> correct one.  I kept getting a log on failed message, so reset my password 
>> using my apple id, as prompted by the computer.  
>> 
>> Now, I get the log on screen, type in my password, but then nothing happens. 
>>  The mac air makes that wonderful bonking sound, and I can't turn on voice 
>> over or anything.
>> 
>> I can log onto the computer using my husband's credentials, but he doesn't 
>> have admin privileges.  I tried to log on as guest, but got the same results 
>> as for my own account.
>> 
>> How do I fix this so I can log on, using my own account?
>> 
>> thanks!
>> Caitlyn
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Re: Simulating a Mac on a PC

[Chris Blouch]

There used to be things called a Hackintosh which was basically OSX 
installed on a generic PC. There were even companies which would sell 
you one but they have pretty much all been sued out of existence. Apples 
OSX license doesn't let you install on non-Apple hardware since, at some 
level, it's the software that sells the hardware. From what I recall, 
even if you attempted it, you had to have the latest gee whiz PC parts 
before it would work so the cost savings wasn't all that substantial. 
You couldn't just clean off some old clunker from the basement and get 
it to install.


CB

On 4/2/14 3:01 PM, Chris Apple boy wrote:
See because Mac Os X is only available in the Mac App Store it is now 
impossible to purchase it for devices other than a mac. So even if it 
wasn't illegal you still have the restrictions and Apple certainly 
reinforces these by only making it available in the Mac App Store.


Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 02/04/2014 18:48, alberto wrote:

Hi, even with a bought copy you have those restrictions.
On Apr 2, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Scott Duck  wrote:


Hi Chris,
You very well may be correct and it may be illegal any way that you 
do it,
if it is even possible. However, just so there is no confusion, I 
wasn't
talking about pirating it. I assume that, if I were to purchase a 
copy of
OSX, I could legally install it on anything that I like, just as one 
can

install Windows on a Mac if they own the copy of Windows that they are
installing. However, it may not even be possible to purchase OSX 
without a
Mac. Probably isn't, now that I think about it, as I don't think 
that they
sell it on CD any more. Anyway, just didn't want you to think that I 
was

trying to do something that I shouldn't.
Thanks,
Scott Duck

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Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:12 AM
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I'm sure this is actually illegal under the Apple License terms for 
Mac Os X

but someone can prove me wrong if they like.

Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 02/04/2014 16:17, Scott Duck wrote:

Hi,

Is there a relatively easy way to run OSX in a virtual environment 
on a

PC?

I know that, doing it that way, I wouldn't get the stability of a Mac
but it would give me a taste of using one. And, by relatively easy, I
don't mean in 246 easy steps. LOL

Thanks,

Scott Duck



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Re: Stability of the Mac

[Devin Prater]

Um? Yeah, a lot of card games, in 2 sites. I don't consider all the sub games 
in a game its own game.
On Apr 2, 2014, at 2:01 PM, BBS  wrote:

> I just want to correct the person that said there are only a few games on
> the Mac. There are a lot of games to play on here. I like to play RS Games
> and the Playroom on here with its web client.
> 
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 1:54 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Stability of the Mac
> 
> I don't use muds, so that's not an issue for me, though I know this is
> important to some people. I think someone was developing a mac client called
> imud, but not sure what happened to it.
> Original message:
>> Hmm, everything? Have you found a MUD client of the likes of Mush-z, 
>> that is free? Also, there are very few games for the blind on mac, 
>> although I must honestly say I don't play many games on Windows anyway,
> lol.
> 
>> Sent from my iPod
> 
>>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 23:31, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
>>> Yes, you can even reinstall your operating system completely without 
>>> sighted help, this is something windows does not provide. If someone 
>>> offered me a windows PC for free, I would say, thanks, but no thanks.
>>> the mac does everything I need, and does it better than windows.
 On Apr 1, 2014, at 4:23 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
 All I have to say is that Mac is much much more stable than Windows 
 with a screen reader. If things go wrong, I rarely feel I'm out of 
 control. I am very rarely left in the middle of doing something without 
 speech whereas on Windows it was and still is a frequent occurrence.  I 
 feel much more in control on my Mac.
> 
 Andrew
> On 1 Apr 2014, at 20:21, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:
> 
> Jenine, I can basically echo what you say. I was a windows user from 
> the windows 95 os. In fact, I worked for Microsoft for three years and 
> so had to believe in something that provided me with my bread and 
> butter, and of course, chocolate. (grin) However, I could crash any 
> windows system with great ease. Some of it is the OS itself, which, 
> although it is better in versions 7 and 8, still has more crashing 
> issues than Mac. Some of it, probably most of it, is due to the fact 
> the the screen reading software is separate from the os. this has 
> always caused instability and i don't see that changing any time soon.
> 
> When it comes to iOS, there's no contest in my oppinion. Talks and 
> Mobile speaks and anything else is just so much more fickle than is the
> 
> iOS. I, and lots of people i know, struggled constantly with crashes 
> and lock-ups and having to turn the phone on and off a great number of 
> times even in a day.
> 
> I am very happy with both mac os and ios platforms andwould not want to
> 
> give them up.
> 
> . on apr 1, 2014, at 2:26 pm, jenine stanley 
> wrote:
> 
> this is an interesting question. from just an average user point of 
> view, i have been using my macbook pro since early february and use a 
> windows laptop for work. they literally sit side by side on my desk.
> 
> i had used the iphone since 2011 so was sort of familiar with how 
> voiceover works and love it on the ios platform that said, it's very 
> different on the mac or os side.
> 
> speaking first to stability, i managed to crash the mbp twice in the 
> first week but literally have not made the speech stop since then. has 
> my mbp slowed down or acted strangely a few times without explanation? 
> yes, but it's come back to its original performance soon after these
> fits.
> 
> my windows machine frequently hangs up both in the operating system in 
> general and because of screen reader/video issues. outlook is really 
> bad about this and i usually have to reboot at least once a day. yes, i
> 
> maintain my windows machine well with weekly cleaning and such but ...
> 
> the one thing that you will find difficult at first but which, if you 
> continue to plug away at it will soon become second nature, is the 
> whole concept of interacting with things. i hated it at first and still
> 
> am not fond of it. unlike the ios realm, you have to take an extra step
> 
> to access some things using voice over. once you get used to it though 
> and combine quick nav with the regular vo operation, and ask this list 
> a ton of stupid questions, :) you'll be fine.
> 
> i really like the variety of quality voices available with vo too. it's
> 
> fast and responsive. i'm sold. be sure though to give yourself some 
> time and be patient. beprepared to read over and over any and all 
> instructions, podcasts and other things about switching, com

Re: keyboard app?

[Jessica]

how does that app work? can you use it with an ipad?
Jessica
jldai...@gmail.com

On Apr 2, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Hi there
> I have one called type two phone which turns your Mac keyboard into a 
> keyboard for your iPhone.
> Gigi
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 2, 2014, at 12:52 PM, Kayaker  wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> The app that I know that does this is called 1Keybaord. It basically 
>> requires a bluetooth enabled Mac and turns your Mac into a bluetooth 
>> keyboard.  Here is a link to the app info at the developer's site:
>> http://www.eyalw.com/1keyboard
>> 
>> --k
>> 
>> Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the 
>> questions.
>> 
>> On Mar 23, 2014, at 6:57 AM, Kliphton ---  wrote:
>> 
>>> I now have an MBP, and I think someone mentioned a while back there was an 
>>> app that allowed you to use your MBP keyboard to switch between your phone 
>>> and computer?  I could be wrong, if I am not, can someone remind me?  
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Kliphton
>>> 
>>> ~iMessage&Email~ kliph...@outlook.com
>>> 
>>> ~Twitter,Instagram,FourSquare&Skype~ kliphton72
>>> 
>>> ~Text only~ 914-820-2298
>>> 
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iWorks update fixes more AppleScript

[Chris Blouch]

Just rand across this article which says the latest patches to iWorks 
has fixed a pile of AppleScript issues and added more hooks.


http://www.macworld.com/article/2138687/latest-iwork-update-is-another-win-for-applescript.html

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Re: keyboard app?

[Chris Apple boy]

Hi all
Yes it can work with an iPad.

Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 02/04/2014 21:03, Jessica wrote:

how does that app work? can you use it with an ipad?
Jessica
jldai...@gmail.com

On Apr 2, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:


Hi there
I have one called type two phone which turns your Mac keyboard into a keyboard 
for your iPhone.
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 2, 2014, at 12:52 PM, Kayaker  wrote:


Hello,

The app that I know that does this is called 1Keybaord. It basically requires a 
bluetooth enabled Mac and turns your Mac into a bluetooth keyboard.  Here is a 
link to the app info at the developer's site:
http://www.eyalw.com/1keyboard

--k

Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the 
questions.

On Mar 23, 2014, at 6:57 AM, Kliphton ---  wrote:


I now have an MBP, and I think someone mentioned a while back there was an app 
that allowed you to use your MBP keyboard to switch between your phone and 
computer?  I could be wrong, if I am not, can someone remind me?  Thanks.

Kliphton

~iMessage&Email~ kliph...@outlook.com

~Twitter,Instagram,FourSquare&Skype~ kliphton72

~Text only~ 914-820-2298

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Re: downloading files mobily was Re: Stability of the Mac

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I don't have a tablet as of yet. I am mainly an iPhone and an iMac user.

> On 2 Apr 2014, at 07:15 pm, erik burggraaf  wrote:
> 
> I do this all the time with PDF MP3, Docx, and zip among other files.  It's 
> very possible and highlyfunctional on both android and IOS.  If you're having 
> trouble with this, post in a separate thread with the tablet device you're 
> using and I will help you out.
> 
> Best,
>  
> Erik Burggraaf
> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
> 
>> On 2014-04-02, at 1:49 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> You all forget that you can't download files using a tablet, i.e. some 
>> software from a website that some one has sent you a link.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 2 Apr 2014, at 06:35, Maria and Joe Chapman  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi.  I find that an iPhone or iPad doesn't quite meet my needs.  I still 
>>> use a macbook primarily when I am at home. There are still things like 
>>> advanced word processing that are kind of difficult on a tablet or smart 
>>> phone. that's just my opinion though.
>>> Blessings!
>>> maria and Joe chapman
>>> Email, iMessage & fb: bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>>> twitter: bubbygirl
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 2 Apr 2014, at 12:12 pm, erik burggraaf  wrote:
 
 I find my mac more stable than pc's although I so seldome use a pc these 
 days and the ones I do use are tweaked down so they perform really well.
 
 I've been using a mack for 6 years now and have no reason to prefer a PC 
 these days.  Having said that, this will be my last ever mac.  When it is 
 ready to move on in another couple of years, the personal computer itself 
 will be on the longtail and it just won't make any sense to invest in 
 another personal computer, mac or PC.  In fact, an increasing number of my 
 clients are just as effective on a tablet or smart phone as they are on a 
 computer, and it meets all of their day to day computing needs very well, 
 including: email, web browsing, web applications such as apps and mobile 
 banking, OCR reading, bar code identification diabetes and other medical 
 monitoring, non-verbal communication, literature access in braille, large 
 print and audio, and more.  The world of office tasks has now opened up to 
 us using IOS 7 and android 4.4.  Several printing solutions are accessible 
 including the samsung one that I am currently using.  Simple audio 
 production tasks are viable.  And we have access to features that aren't 
 really viable on pc's such as security systems management, and GPS 
 navigation.  Soon we'll have micro-location support and many other 
 opportunities that will encourage us to leave the desktop/laptop world 
 behind.  It may behoove you to simply invest more time learning IOS and 
 picking up apps and accessories that enrich your experience in the mobile 
 world, rather than investing in a switch to an expensive new technology 
 that will be obsolete in three years.  We are just now stepping inside the 
 time frame where cost vs efficiency of PC systems is about to become a 
 serious concern in the consumer market.
 
 Best,
 
 Erik Burggraaf
 Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
 
> On 2014-04-01, at 5:24 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> I find the mac to be very stable, certainly far less problems than with 
> windows. It's not perfect, no platform is, but I have 3 macs and have no 
> desire to switch back to a PC.
> Original message:
> 
>> Hi Everyone,
> 
>> As I said previously, I am thinking about getting a Mac and the main 
>> reason is that I am tired of the increasing instability of the PC 
>> environment. My first question is, is this really different on a Mac?
> 
>> I am using JAWS 15 with Windows 8. Both are not all that stable. I have 
>> been a JAWS user for 17 years and I have noticed a definite progressive 
>> increase in instability with the last few releases. JAWS crashes 
>> frequently and, even if it doesn't crash, it often stops talking when 
>> errors occur with other applications. Then, there's Windows 8. I don't 
>> mind the Windows 8 interface but several times per week, I will have a 
>> problem that requires me to restart my computer. I did not have that 
>> nearly as much with Windows 7. Also, it isn't unusual for me to install 
>> a program which will, either directly or through add ins, make Windows 
>> and/or JAWS more unstable. I then have to decide rather the additional 
>> functionality is worth the increased instability. I'm just tired of all 
>> the crashes and reboots and having to use three or four screen readers 
>> because I have to run one when another one crashes.
> 
>> By contrast, my iPhone and iPad, while not perfect, are certainly more 
>> 

Re: mac learning curve

[Ray Foret Jr]

It took me about three weeks or so to really wrap my head around the Mac.  Even 
though I'd studdied Mike's material very carefully.  Best decition I ever made 
was the Mac.


Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!

On Apr 2, 2014, at 12:50 PM, Kerri  wrote:

> hillo, Jean:
> 
> I think the learning curve is steep for most people and in this I was 
> fortunate as I am (unfortunately) unemployed and so could take the time to 
> learn the Mac. For me the most difficult aspect was knowing how to access 
> help because this list though helpful, was unable to assist until I learned 
> how to compose an email. I say this because if I'd known that would have been 
> the first question I'd have asked. Composing a new email is done with command 
> plus n once you open the emial client. 
> 
>   ***
> "Thousands of years ago, cats were worshiped as gods. They have never
> forgotten this."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 2, 2014, at 9:38 AM, Jean Parker  wrote:
> 
>> Hello to the person who is thinking of making the switch to mac:
>> I did this about a year ago and here are my thoughts.
>> First of all, the reason I switched was similar to that of other people, my 
>> PC became inoperable one to many times and it was at a time when I was to 
>> have begun an online  teaching assignment.  I came very close to losing my 
>> job because getting the PC laptop repaired/replaced and then everything 
>> restored took so long.  It was a total disaster!  
>> 
>> The learning curve was steep for me and it took about two months to return 
>> to any semblance of efficiency.  I am sure it is shorter for many people and 
>> longer for others.  So, during the transition, it would be helpful to allow 
>> for the time and energy it will take to learn the new system and screen 
>> reader.  
>> 
>> There are fantastic resources on this list for getting help.  These include 
>> several people who are authorised by Apple to teach the Mac using Voiceover. 
>>  Keep in mind however, that Apple does not pay for this training and 
>> although it is reasonably priced, this is one area where Apple could do 
>> better.  I live close to an Apple store and although I had the One to One 
>> training the first year I had my Mac, I did not renew it.  I found that the 
>> trainers were very knowledgeable about the Mac but not about Voiceover.  I 
>> receive far superior information from this list without leaving home.  
>> 
>> If you live near an Apple store you also have access to something called a 
>> Genious Bar.  If you are having some difficulty with your computer, after an 
>> upgrade for example, you can take it to them and get it sorted out for free. 
>>  Apple has phone support which others on this list have much more experience 
>> with than I do.  
>> 
>> In general, working with and maintaining the Mac is a much more streamlined 
>> process than a PC.  For example, my disk drive bit the dust the last time I 
>> was working in India.  Because I have Apple Care, it was replaced with no 
>> charge but I found that the restoration process was a thousand times easier 
>> and less time-consuming than it ever was on the PC.  Apple has Time Machine 
>> which makes a backup of your disk including data which you use to restore 
>> the system.  If you haven't backed up in a while, it even reminds you to do 
>> it.  
>> 
>> So, if you do switch to the Mac, be sure and allow yourself time to 
>> integrate the new knowledge systematically.  I for one, would never even 
>> consider returning to using a PC.  But if for some reason I had to, I would 
>> either use bootcamp or VM Fusion instead of going back to a computer 
>> environment which is so unstable and unpredictable.  To me, using a PC 
>> became unviable in my work environment so it had to go.  
>> 
>> The only thing I find more difficult with Mac is using Skype.  On the PC you 
>> can use GW Connect which manages voice and text chatting tasks very well.  
>> When I called GW Micro to ask them if they would make a Mac version, I 
>> thought they were going to hang up on me.  So, that is the only compromise I 
>> feel I have made.  
>> 
>> Good luck with your decision and keep asking us questions.
>> Jean
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more on the accounts problem with mac air

[Caitlyn and Maggie]

Ok.

I tried again to log on with my account on my mac air.  Turns out the caps lock 
key wasn't engaged.

I did manage to get onto the machine, but got error messages about the keychain 
password, and different services wanting to use the local items key chain 
password.

I have no idea what this means.  Also, is there one central place for me to go 
to reset the entire keychain for the laptop?  Seems like the keychain got 
mucked up somehow.

I also want to put it back to not use the log on screen, but to boot into my 
account straight off.  Do I do this in system prefs?  If so, where?  I can't 
remember where to go for this, had a look, but nothing seemed appropriate.

thanks!
Caitlyn

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Re: Garageband 10, any tutorial or podcast.

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

gabriel where you from bbecuase when i seach your name there a lot
On 02 Apr 2014, at 09:16 am, Gabriele Battaglia  
wrote:

> gabriel_battaglia

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Re: Garageband 10, any tutorial or podcast.

[Gabriele Battaglia]

Hi, type my skype name exactly as I gave : gabriel_battaglia
I'm shown as Kriyaban and I'm from Bologna, Italy.

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Re: mac learning curve

[Kerri]

Mine too was an Apple 2 E and I'm self taught but it was tough but worth every 
hour of it.

On Apr 2, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> I think it varies. It took me about two weeks because I have been teaching 
> myself computers for years. My first computer was at Apple to eat, and that 
> then you better teach yourself or you didn't learn.
> Also, I am infamous for sitting down and reading software documentation all 
> the way from beginning to end. I keep going even when I don't understand it 
> yet, figuring I'll get it sooner or later.  So I force myself to use the new 
> system for whatever I am doing at the time, even if I could go back to the 
> old system and get it done faster. I found in the long run I learned things 
> better that way. It's painful sometimes, but it works for me. 
> People that have not gotten their Mac  yet, one of the first commands you 
> want to remember, is far as I'm concerned, is command Z. I did not know about 
> that one, and as a result, I sent my husband's computer about 50 folders when 
> I was first learning the Mac. He was not pleased. If I had known about that 
> one from the beginning, I could've pressed it right away when I got it wrong. 
> Then it would've gotten undone immediately.
> 
> 
> 
> Gigi
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 2, 2014, at 12:50 PM, Kerri  wrote:
> 
>> hillo, Jean:
>> 
>> I think the learning curve is steep for most people and in this I was 
>> fortunate as I am (unfortunately) unemployed and so could take the time to 
>> learn the Mac. For me the most difficult aspect was knowing how to access 
>> help because this list though helpful, was unable to assist until I learned 
>> how to compose an email. I say this because if I'd known that would have 
>> been the first question I'd have asked. Composing a new email is done with 
>> command plus n once you open the emial client. 
>> 
>>  ***
>> "Thousands of years ago, cats were worshiped as gods. They have never
>> forgotten this."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 9:38 AM, Jean Parker  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello to the person who is thinking of making the switch to mac:
>>> I did this about a year ago and here are my thoughts.
>>> First of all, the reason I switched was similar to that of other people, my 
>>> PC became inoperable one to many times and it was at a time when I was to 
>>> have begun an online  teaching assignment.  I came very close to losing my 
>>> job because getting the PC laptop repaired/replaced and then everything 
>>> restored took so long.  It was a total disaster!  
>>> 
>>> The learning curve was steep for me and it took about two months to return 
>>> to any semblance of efficiency.  I am sure it is shorter for many people 
>>> and longer for others.  So, during the transition, it would be helpful to 
>>> allow for the time and energy it will take to learn the new system and 
>>> screen reader.  
>>> 
>>> There are fantastic resources on this list for getting help.  These include 
>>> several people who are authorised by Apple to teach the Mac using 
>>> Voiceover.  Keep in mind however, that Apple does not pay for this training 
>>> and although it is reasonably priced, this is one area where Apple could do 
>>> better.  I live close to an Apple store and although I had the One to One 
>>> training the first year I had my Mac, I did not renew it.  I found that the 
>>> trainers were very knowledgeable about the Mac but not about Voiceover.  I 
>>> receive far superior information from this list without leaving home.  
>>> 
>>> If you live near an Apple store you also have access to something called a 
>>> Genious Bar.  If you are having some difficulty with your computer, after 
>>> an upgrade for example, you can take it to them and get it sorted out for 
>>> free.  Apple has phone support which others on this list have much more 
>>> experience with than I do.  
>>> 
>>> In general, working with and maintaining the Mac is a much more streamlined 
>>> process than a PC.  For example, my disk drive bit the dust the last time I 
>>> was working in India.  Because I have Apple Care, it was replaced with no 
>>> charge but I found that the restoration process was a thousand times easier 
>>> and less time-consuming than it ever was on the PC.  Apple has Time Machine 
>>> which makes a backup of your disk including data which you use to restore 
>>> the system.  If you haven't backed up in a while, it even reminds you to do 
>>> it.  
>>> 
>>> So, if you do switch to the Mac, be sure and allow yourself time to 
>>> integrate the new knowledge systematically.  I for one, would never even 
>>> consider returning to using a PC.  But if for some reason I had to, I would 
>>> either use bootcamp or VM Fusion instead of going back to a computer 
>>> environment which is so unstable and unpredictable.  To me, using a PC 
>>> became unviable in my work environment so it had to go.  
>>> 
>>> The only thing I find more difficult with Mac is using

Re: more on the accounts problem with mac air

[Josh Gregory]

Have a look under users and groups, that should help somewhat.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 2, 2014, at 4:53 PM, Caitlyn and Maggie  
> wrote:
> 
> Ok.
> 
> I tried again to log on with my account on my mac air.  Turns out the caps 
> lock key wasn't engaged.
> 
> I did manage to get onto the machine, but got error messages about the 
> keychain password, and different services wanting to use the local items key 
> chain password.
> 
> I have no idea what this means.  Also, is there one central place for me to 
> go to reset the entire keychain for the laptop?  Seems like the keychain got 
> mucked up somehow.
> 
> I also want to put it back to not use the log on screen, but to boot into my 
> account straight off.  Do I do this in system prefs?  If so, where?  I can't 
> remember where to go for this, had a look, but nothing seemed appropriate.
> 
> thanks!
> Caitlyn
> 
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Re: more on the accounts problem with mac air

[Cheryl Homiak]

Were the keychain messages errors or were they just asking for permission? If 
the latter, you would just do vo-space on "allow or "always allow" or whatever 
is there.
You change your login method in System Preferences in Users and Accounts. First 
you will have to do vo-space on click the lock to make changes and you will be 
asked to enter your password.  
 Then Interact with Users, Groups and Login Options by doing 
ctrl-optionShift-down-arrow and go down to Login Options. Stop interacting with 
ctrl-option-shift-up-arrow and do ctrl-option-right-arrow through the window 
and you will find the automatic login choice. Be sure the option to use 
voiceover in the login window is checked if you need voiceover at login.  

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> 
> May the words of my mouth
> and the meditation of my heart
> be acceptable to You, Lord,
> my rock and my Redeemer.
> (Psalm 19:14 HCSB)


> On Apr 2, 2014, at 3:53 PM, Caitlyn and Maggie  
> wrote:
> 
> Ok.
> 
> I tried again to log on with my account on my mac air.  Turns out the caps 
> lock key wasn't engaged.
> 
> I did manage to get onto the machine, but got error messages about the 
> keychain password, and different services wanting to use the local items key 
> chain password.
> 
> I have no idea what this means.  Also, is there one central place for me to 
> go to reset the entire keychain for the laptop?  Seems like the keychain got 
> mucked up somehow.
> 
> I also want to put it back to not use the log on screen, but to boot into my 
> account straight off.  Do I do this in system prefs?  If so, where?  I can't 
> remember where to go for this, had a look, but nothing seemed appropriate.
> 
> thanks!
> Caitlyn
> 
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Re: Simulating a Mac on a PC

[Teresa Cochran]

Yes, Apple stores are set up like computer labs, with tables and stools. The 
employees at my local store are great about letting folks experiment. I poked 
around on a Mac for two hours one day before I made the decision to switch. I 
also played with a friend's Mac. He had had no idea about Voiceover.

Teresa

“Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, it’s too 
dark to read.”—Groucho Marx

On Apr 2, 2014, at 12:39 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:

> There used to be things called a Hackintosh which was basically OSX installed 
> on a generic PC. There were even companies which would sell you one but they 
> have pretty much all been sued out of existence. Apples OSX license doesn't 
> let you install on non-Apple hardware since, at some level, it's the software 
> that sells the hardware. From what I recall, even if you attempted it, you 
> had to have the latest gee whiz PC parts before it would work so the cost 
> savings wasn't all that substantial. You couldn't just clean off some old 
> clunker from the basement and get it to install.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 4/2/14 3:01 PM, Chris Apple boy wrote:
>> See because Mac Os X is only available in the Mac App Store it is now 
>> impossible to purchase it for devices other than a mac. So even if it wasn't 
>> illegal you still have the restrictions and Apple certainly reinforces these 
>> by only making it available in the Mac App Store.
>> 
>> Regards Chris
>> 
>> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
>> 
>> On 02/04/2014 18:48, alberto wrote:
>>> Hi, even with a bought copy you have those restrictions.
>>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Scott Duck  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Chris,
 You very well may be correct and it may be illegal any way that you do it,
 if it is even possible. However, just so there is no confusion, I wasn't
 talking about pirating it. I assume that, if I were to purchase a copy of
 OSX, I could legally install it on anything that I like, just as one can
 install Windows on a Mac if they own the copy of Windows that they are
 installing. However, it may not even be possible to purchase OSX without a
 Mac. Probably isn't, now that I think about it, as I don't think that they
 sell it on CD any more. Anyway, just didn't want you to think that I was
 trying to do something that I shouldn't.
 Thanks,
 Scott Duck
 
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 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Apple boy
 Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:12 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Simulating a Mac on a PC
 
 I'm sure this is actually illegal under the Apple License terms for Mac Os 
 X
 but someone can prove me wrong if they like.
 
 Regards Chris
 
 Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
 
 On 02/04/2014 16:17, Scott Duck wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Is there a relatively easy way to run OSX in a virtual environment on a
 PC?
> I know that, doing it that way, I wouldn't get the stability of a Mac
> but it would give me a taste of using one. And, by relatively easy, I
> don't mean in 246 easy steps. LOL
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Scott Duck
> 
 
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Re: more on the accounts problem with mac air

[Caitlyn and Maggie]

Hi Cheryl,

It was an error message.  it said something like, the log in key chain couldn't 
be found, then it gave me options to continue anyway with log on, create a new 
key chain, and I can't remember what the third option was.  I chose to create a 
new keychain, then it let me log on.  However, now, whenever I try to do 
anything that requires a password, everything seems to hang.

thanks for refreshing my memory about the log on options.  I'd forgoten about 
the groups within users and groups.

also, now I am getting pop up windows that say that various components are 
wanting the local items keychain password, like messages, talent, and calendar. 
 Every time I type in my new password, these windows just stay there, acting 
like my pass is wrong.

Thanks, a totally confused,
Caitlyn

On Apr 2, 2014, at 5:37 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:

> Were the keychain messages errors or were they just asking for permission? If 
> the latter, you would just do vo-space on "allow or "always allow" or 
> whatever is there.
> You change your login method in System Preferences in Users and Accounts. 
> First you will have to do vo-space on click the lock to make changes and you 
> will be asked to enter your password.  
>  Then Interact with Users, Groups and Login Options by doing 
> ctrl-optionShift-down-arrow and go down to Login Options. Stop interacting 
> with ctrl-option-shift-up-arrow and do ctrl-option-right-arrow through the 
> window and you will find the automatic login choice. Be sure the option to 
> use voiceover in the login window is checked if you need voiceover at login.  
> 
>> -- 
>> Cheryl
>> 
>> May the words of my mouth
>> and the meditation of my heart
>> be acceptable to You, Lord,
>> my rock and my Redeemer.
>> (Psalm 19:14 HCSB)
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 2, 2014, at 3:53 PM, Caitlyn and Maggie  
> wrote:
> 
>> Ok.
>> 
>> I tried again to log on with my account on my mac air.  Turns out the caps 
>> lock key wasn't engaged.
>> 
>> I did manage to get onto the machine, but got error messages about the 
>> keychain password, and different services wanting to use the local items key 
>> chain password.
>> 
>> I have no idea what this means.  Also, is there one central place for me to 
>> go to reset the entire keychain for the laptop?  Seems like the keychain got 
>> mucked up somehow.
>> 
>> I also want to put it back to not use the log on screen, but to boot into my 
>> account straight off.  Do I do this in system prefs?  If so, where?  I can't 
>> remember where to go for this, had a look, but nothing seemed appropriate.
>> 
>> thanks!
>> Caitlyn
>> 
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Re: more on the accounts problem with mac air

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

There's quite a number of Keychain references in Mavericks and I've seen these 
sorts of errors before.  The Keychain should usually fix itself when/if you go 
into the Users & Groups pane of System Preferences and change your password 
again.  Once fixed, you shouldn't have those sorts of problems anymore.  I 
wouldn't recommend the direct login, as that leaves your computer and data 
vulnerable and easily accessed by anon who comes across your computer, either 
friendly or not.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 2, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Caitlyn and Maggie  
wrote:

> Hi Cheryl,
> 
> It was an error message.  it said something like, the log in key chain 
> couldn't be found, then it gave me options to continue anyway with log on, 
> create a new key chain, and I can't remember what the third option was.  I 
> chose to create a new keychain, then it let me log on.  However, now, 
> whenever I try to do anything that requires a password, everything seems to 
> hang.
> 
> thanks for refreshing my memory about the log on options.  I'd forgoten about 
> the groups within users and groups.
> 
> also, now I am getting pop up windows that say that various components are 
> wanting the local items keychain password, like messages, talent, and 
> calendar.  Every time I type in my new password, these windows just stay 
> there, acting like my pass is wrong.
> 
> Thanks, a totally confused,
> Caitlyn
> 
> On Apr 2, 2014, at 5:37 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
> 
>> Were the keychain messages errors or were they just asking for permission? 
>> If the latter, you would just do vo-space on "allow or "always allow" or 
>> whatever is there.
>> You change your login method in System Preferences in Users and Accounts. 
>> First you will have to do vo-space on click the lock to make changes and you 
>> will be asked to enter your password.  
>>  Then Interact with Users, Groups and Login Options by doing 
>> ctrl-optionShift-down-arrow and go down to Login Options. Stop interacting 
>> with ctrl-option-shift-up-arrow and do ctrl-option-right-arrow through the 
>> window and you will find the automatic login choice. Be sure the option to 
>> use voiceover in the login window is checked if you need voiceover at login. 
>>  
>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Cheryl
>>> 
>>> May the words of my mouth
>>> and the meditation of my heart
>>> be acceptable to You, Lord,
>>> my rock and my Redeemer.
>>> (Psalm 19:14 HCSB)
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 3:53 PM, Caitlyn and Maggie  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok.
>>> 
>>> I tried again to log on with my account on my mac air.  Turns out the caps 
>>> lock key wasn't engaged.
>>> 
>>> I did manage to get onto the machine, but got error messages about the 
>>> keychain password, and different services wanting to use the local items 
>>> key chain password.
>>> 
>>> I have no idea what this means.  Also, is there one central place for me to 
>>> go to reset the entire keychain for the laptop?  Seems like the keychain 
>>> got mucked up somehow.
>>> 
>>> I also want to put it back to not use the log on screen, but to boot into 
>>> my account straight off.  Do I do this in system prefs?  If so, where?  I 
>>> can't remember where to go for this, had a look, but nothing seemed 
>>> appropriate.
>>> 
>>> thanks!
>>> Caitlyn
>>> 
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Can't present with latest version of keynote on any device?

[Jessica D]

Hi,
I am unable to present using the latest version of keyote on any of my devices. 
When I try, the screen flashes and I am taken to slide 6.
Why is this happening?
How do i fix it?

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Re: Simulating a Mac on a PC

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi there
Somebody on this list said earlier that they had had less than a good 
experience with one-to-one tutoring at the Apple store. I had a wonderful 
experience because the Apple employee that worked with me have been a long time 
MacUser. He really enjoyed computers and thought it was really cool to work 
with a blind person. He told me that he blindfolding himself in order to 
prepare to work with me. He did an excellent job, and if you get someone like 
him, it will be wonderful for you.
I think the key to having a good experience for a voiceover user is to make 
Willowshore that the Apple Store understands that you are using voice over from 
the very beginning. This means that when you set up appointments, you should 
make real sure to tell them, maybe even put it in bold face all capitals or 
something. Also, are used to give them time so that they had plenty of 
opportunity to find someone that was ready for it.
Sincerely,
Gigi

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> On Apr 2, 2014, at 4:44 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> 
> Yes, Apple stores are set up like computer labs, with tables and stools. The 
> employees at my local store are great about letting folks experiment. I poked 
> around on a Mac for two hours one day before I made the decision to switch. I 
> also played with a friend's Mac. He had had no idea about Voiceover.
> 
> Teresa
> 
> “Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, it’s too 
> dark to read.”—Groucho Marx
> 
>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 12:39 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:
>> 
>> There used to be things called a Hackintosh which was basically OSX 
>> installed on a generic PC. There were even companies which would sell you 
>> one but they have pretty much all been sued out of existence. Apples OSX 
>> license doesn't let you install on non-Apple hardware since, at some level, 
>> it's the software that sells the hardware. From what I recall, even if you 
>> attempted it, you had to have the latest gee whiz PC parts before it would 
>> work so the cost savings wasn't all that substantial. You couldn't just 
>> clean off some old clunker from the basement and get it to install.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>>> On 4/2/14 3:01 PM, Chris Apple boy wrote:
>>> See because Mac Os X is only available in the Mac App Store it is now 
>>> impossible to purchase it for devices other than a mac. So even if it 
>>> wasn't illegal you still have the restrictions and Apple certainly 
>>> reinforces these by only making it available in the Mac App Store.
>>> 
>>> Regards Chris
>>> 
>>> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
>>> 
 On 02/04/2014 18:48, alberto wrote:
 Hi, even with a bought copy you have those restrictions.
> On Apr 2, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Scott Duck  wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
> You very well may be correct and it may be illegal any way that you do it,
> if it is even possible. However, just so there is no confusion, I wasn't
> talking about pirating it. I assume that, if I were to purchase a copy of
> OSX, I could legally install it on anything that I like, just as one can
> install Windows on a Mac if they own the copy of Windows that they are
> installing. However, it may not even be possible to purchase OSX without a
> Mac. Probably isn't, now that I think about it, as I don't think that they
> sell it on CD any more. Anyway, just didn't want you to think that I was
> trying to do something that I shouldn't.
> Thanks,
> Scott Duck
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Apple boy
> Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:12 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Simulating a Mac on a PC
> 
> I'm sure this is actually illegal under the Apple License terms for Mac 
> Os X
> but someone can prove me wrong if they like.
> 
> Regards Chris
> 
> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
> 
>> On 02/04/2014 16:17, Scott Duck wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Is there a relatively easy way to run OSX in a virtual environment on a
> PC?
>> I know that, doing it that way, I wouldn't get the stability of a Mac
>> but it would give me a taste of using one. And, by relatively easy, I
>> don't mean in 246 easy steps. LOL
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Scott Duck
> 
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Re: Stability of the Mac

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

The Stream 2 records in MP3 format now. Those play fine on the Mac.
On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:40 PM, Kerri  wrote:

> the only thing I wish the mac would do--and this is no fault of the mac--is 
> have the ability to convert the notes from a victor reader stream so I don't 
> have to use humanWare companion.
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 1, 2014, at 9:31 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
>> Yes, you can even reinstall your operating system completely without sighted 
>> help, this is something windows does not provide. If someone offered me a 
>> windows PC for free, I would say, thanks, but no thanks. the mac does 
>> everything I need, and does it better than windows.
>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 4:23 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>> 
>>> All I have to say is that Mac is much much more stable than Windows with a 
>>> screen reader. If things go wrong, I rarely feel I'm out of control. I am 
>>> very rarely left in the middle of doing something without speech whereas on 
>>> Windows it was and still is a frequent occurrence.  I feel much more in 
>>> control on my Mac.  
>>> 
>>> Andrew
>>> On 1 Apr 2014, at 20:21, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:
>>> 
 Jenine, I can basically echo what you say. I was a windows user from the 
 windows 95 os. In fact, I worked for Microsoft for three years and so had 
 to believe in something that provided me with my bread and butter, and of 
 course, chocolate. (grin) However, I could crash any windows system with 
 great ease. Some of it is the OS itself, which, although it is better in 
 versions 7 and 8, still has more crashing issues than Mac. Some of it, 
 probably most of it, is due to the fact the the screen reading software is 
 separate from the os. this has always caused instability and i don't see 
 that changing any time soon.
 
 When it comes to iOS, there's no contest in my oppinion. Talks and Mobile 
 speaks and anything else is just so much more fickle than is the iOS. I, 
 and lots of people i know, struggled constantly with crashes and lock-ups 
 and having to turn the phone on and off a great number of times even in a 
 day.
 
 I am very happy with both mac os and ios platforms andwould not want to 
 give them up.
 
 . on apr 1, 2014, at 2:26 pm, jenine stanley  
 wrote:
 
 this is an interesting question. from just an average user point of view, 
 i have been using my macbook pro since early february and use a windows 
 laptop for work. they literally sit side by side on my desk. 
 
 i had used the iphone since 2011 so was sort of familiar with how 
 voiceover works and love it on the ios platform that said, it's very 
 different on the mac or os side. 
 
 speaking first to stability, i managed to crash the mbp twice in the first 
 week but literally have not made the speech stop since then. has my mbp 
 slowed down or acted strangely a few times without explanation? yes, but 
 it's come back to its original performance soon after these fits. 
 
 my windows machine frequently hangs up both in the operating system in 
 general and because of screen reader/video issues. outlook is really bad 
 about this and i usually have to reboot at least once a day. yes, i 
 maintain my windows machine well with weekly cleaning and such but ... 
 
 the one thing that you will find difficult at first but which, if you 
 continue to plug away at it will soon become second nature, is the whole 
 concept of interacting with things. i hated it at first and still am not 
 fond of it. unlike the ios realm, you have to take an extra step to access 
 some things using voice over. once you get used to it though and combine 
 quick nav with the regular vo operation, and ask this list a ton of stupid 
 questions, :) you'll be fine. 
 
 i really like the variety of quality voices available with vo too. it's 
 fast and responsive. i'm sold. be sure though to give yourself some time 
 and be patient. beprepared to read over and over any and all instructions, 
 podcasts and other things about switching, commands and apps. 
 jenine stanley
 dragonwalke...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 on apr 1, 2014, at 2:14 pm, scott rumery  wrote:
 
 hello scott,
 
 you will probably get a lot of varying opinions on this topic so you will 
 have to decide which ones you will take seriously or not. having said this 
 let me first tell you that ever since i switched to using a mac more than 
 3 years ago i have become probably one of the biggest apple fan boys that 
 there is, so my thoughts on this subject are going to have a strong apple 
 bias to them.
 
 if you are wanting a computing environment  that is very stable compared  
 to what you are currently getting on the windows platform then in my 
 opinion you would be very happy with a mac.
 
 the instability of

Re: Unread messages in mail.

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

You've figure right.  As you navigate with VO down your messages list, Mail 
thinks that you've manipulated that message, so it becomes unread even if you 
actually didn't read it.  Many VO users turn off the Preview pane and use other 
methods to read their messages.  One method is by pressing return on the 
message, which will open it and VO will begin reading the contents of the 
message.  Just press   cmd-w to close then arrow to the next message or press 
delete to delete the message with focus and to move on.

If you do wish to try things without the Preview Pane, here's some instructions 
I posted back when Mavericks first was released:

1.  Go into Mail Prefs and select the Viewing pane. 
 2.  Check to change to Classic View. 
 3.  Close Mail Prefs. 
 4.  Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter after the Messages Table. 
 5.  Press VO-cmd-f5 to make sure the mouse is focused on the Splitter. 
 6.  Press down on the Trackpad then drag downwards to the bottom of the 
physical Trackpad then release.

 You will know that it worked because the splitter will no longer be right 
after the Messages Table, it will be the last item at the bottom of the window.

7.  Change back into Modern View in the Mail Prefs by unchecking the box. 
 8.  Close the Mail Prefs.

You will know that the Preview Pane is closed/hidden/disabled by navigating 
around the Mail window and you will note a Vertical Splitter before and after 
the Messages Column Group.

If it's not sticking for you, try quitting Mail after getting rid of the 
Preview Pane in Classic view.  Once you re-open Mail, you can change back to 
the Modern View and the change should stick.  At least it has for me numerous 
times.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 1, 2014, at 3:17 PM, Gabriele Battaglia  wrote:

> Hi all.
> 
> My first question is something very simple and probably already answered in 
> this list, I apologize for that.
> 
> I'm talking about mail on Mavericks 10.9.2
> I would like that the read/unread label of my messages, won't change till I 
> really open them.
> Now the unread messages change their status maybe when I pass over them with 
> the VO cursor as they show up in the preview box.
> 
> Does exist a way to prevent it?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Gabriel.
> 
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Re: Simulating a Mac on a PC

[Josh Gregory]

Yeah that also applies to AppleCare, you have to tell them that too. Or just 
call accessibility.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 2, 2014, at 7:19 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
> Hi there
> Somebody on this list said earlier that they had had less than a good 
> experience with one-to-one tutoring at the Apple store. I had a wonderful 
> experience because the Apple employee that worked with me have been a long 
> time MacUser. He really enjoyed computers and thought it was really cool to 
> work with a blind person. He told me that he blindfolding himself in order to 
> prepare to work with me. He did an excellent job, and if you get someone like 
> him, it will be wonderful for you.
> I think the key to having a good experience for a voiceover user is to make 
> Willowshore that the Apple Store understands that you are using voice over 
> from the very beginning. This means that when you set up appointments, you 
> should make real sure to tell them, maybe even put it in bold face all 
> capitals or something. Also, are used to give them time so that they had 
> plenty of opportunity to find someone that was ready for it.
> Sincerely,
> Gigi
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 4:44 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, Apple stores are set up like computer labs, with tables and stools. The 
>> employees at my local store are great about letting folks experiment. I 
>> poked around on a Mac for two hours one day before I made the decision to 
>> switch. I also played with a friend's Mac. He had had no idea about 
>> Voiceover.
>> 
>> Teresa
>> 
>> “Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, it’s too 
>> dark to read.”—Groucho Marx
>> 
>>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 12:39 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There used to be things called a Hackintosh which was basically OSX 
>>> installed on a generic PC. There were even companies which would sell you 
>>> one but they have pretty much all been sued out of existence. Apples OSX 
>>> license doesn't let you install on non-Apple hardware since, at some level, 
>>> it's the software that sells the hardware. From what I recall, even if you 
>>> attempted it, you had to have the latest gee whiz PC parts before it would 
>>> work so the cost savings wasn't all that substantial. You couldn't just 
>>> clean off some old clunker from the basement and get it to install.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
 On 4/2/14 3:01 PM, Chris Apple boy wrote:
 See because Mac Os X is only available in the Mac App Store it is now 
 impossible to purchase it for devices other than a mac. So even if it 
 wasn't illegal you still have the restrictions and Apple certainly 
 reinforces these by only making it available in the Mac App Store.
 
 Regards Chris
 
 Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
 
>> On 02/04/2014 18:48, alberto wrote:
>> Hi, even with a bought copy you have those restrictions.
>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Scott Duck  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> You very well may be correct and it may be illegal any way that you do 
>> it,
>> if it is even possible. However, just so there is no confusion, I wasn't
>> talking about pirating it. I assume that, if I were to purchase a copy of
>> OSX, I could legally install it on anything that I like, just as one can
>> install Windows on a Mac if they own the copy of Windows that they are
>> installing. However, it may not even be possible to purchase OSX without 
>> a
>> Mac. Probably isn't, now that I think about it, as I don't think that 
>> they
>> sell it on CD any more. Anyway, just didn't want you to think that I was
>> trying to do something that I shouldn't.
>> Thanks,
>> Scott Duck
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Apple boy
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 11:12 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Simulating a Mac on a PC
>> 
>> I'm sure this is actually illegal under the Apple License terms for Mac 
>> Os X
>> but someone can prove me wrong if they like.
>> 
>> Regards Chris
>> 
>> Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
>> 
>>> On 02/04/2014 16:17, Scott Duck wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Is there a relatively easy way to run OSX in a virtual environment on a
>> PC?
>>> I know that, doing it that way, I wouldn't get the stability of a Mac
>>> but it would give me a taste of using one. And, by relatively easy, I
>>> don't mean in 246 easy steps. LOL
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Scott Duck
>> 
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Re: Unread messages in mail.

[Devin Prater]

Um, how can I do this without a trackpad?
On Apr 2, 2014, at 7:25 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> You've figure right.  As you navigate with VO down your messages list, Mail 
> thinks that you've manipulated that message, so it becomes unread even if you 
> actually didn't read it.  Many VO users turn off the Preview pane and use 
> other methods to read their messages.  One method is by pressing return on 
> the message, which will open it and VO will begin reading the contents of the 
> message.  Just press   cmd-w to close then arrow to the next message or press 
> delete to delete the message with focus and to move on.
> 
> If you do wish to try things without the Preview Pane, here's some 
> instructions I posted back when Mavericks first was released:
> 
> 1.  Go into Mail Prefs and select the Viewing pane. 
> 2.  Check to change to Classic View. 
> 3.  Close Mail Prefs. 
> 4.  Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter after the Messages Table. 
> 5.  Press VO-cmd-f5 to make sure the mouse is focused on the Splitter. 
> 6.  Press down on the Trackpad then drag downwards to the bottom of the 
> physical Trackpad then release.
> 
> You will know that it worked because the splitter will no longer be right 
> after the Messages Table, it will be the last item at the bottom of the 
> window.
> 
> 7.  Change back into Modern View in the Mail Prefs by unchecking the box. 
> 8.  Close the Mail Prefs.
> 
> You will know that the Preview Pane is closed/hidden/disabled by navigating 
> around the Mail window and you will note a Vertical Splitter before and after 
> the Messages Column Group.
> 
> If it's not sticking for you, try quitting Mail after getting rid of the 
> Preview Pane in Classic view.  Once you re-open Mail, you can change back to 
> the Modern View and the change should stick.  At least it has for me numerous 
> times.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 1, 2014, at 3:17 PM, Gabriele Battaglia  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all.
>> 
>> My first question is something very simple and probably already answered in 
>> this list, I apologize for that.
>> 
>> I'm talking about mail on Mavericks 10.9.2
>> I would like that the read/unread label of my messages, won't change till I 
>> really open them.
>> Now the unread messages change their status maybe when I pass over them with 
>> the VO cursor as they show up in the preview box.
>> 
>> Does exist a way to prevent it?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Gabriel.
>> 
>> --
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converting text to audio

[Robert Cole]

Hello can someone remind me how to convert  text to audio and send it to iTunes?

Thanks,

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Re: converting text to audio

[Josh Gregory]

Hi, highlight the text you want, press voice over plus shift plus m to go to 
the context menu, then click something like send to iTunes is a spoken track or 
something like that.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 2, 2014, at 10:10 PM, Robert Cole  wrote:
> 
> Hello can someone remind me how to convert  text to audio and send it to 
> iTunes?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Re: converting text to audio

[Rob]

Thanks, just what I needed.
On Apr 2, 2014, at 9:13 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:

> Hi, highlight the text you want, press voice over plus shift plus m to go to 
> the context menu, then click something like send to iTunes is a spoken track 
> or something like that.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 10:10 PM, Robert Cole  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello can someone remind me how to convert  text to audio and send it to 
>> iTunes?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
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Re: Unread messages in mail.

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

At #6, use your mouse instead of the Trackpad to drag in the same manner.  
Dragging with a actual mouse is no different than with a Trackpad for the end 
result.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 2, 2014, at 7:30 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:

> Um, how can I do this without a trackpad?
> On Apr 2, 2014, at 7:25 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> You've figure right.  As you navigate with VO down your messages list, Mail 
>> thinks that you've manipulated that message, so it becomes unread even if 
>> you actually didn't read it.  Many VO users turn off the Preview pane and 
>> use other methods to read their messages.  One method is by pressing return 
>> on the message, which will open it and VO will begin reading the contents of 
>> the message.  Just press   cmd-w to close then arrow to the next message or 
>> press delete to delete the message with focus and to move on.
>> 
>> If you do wish to try things without the Preview Pane, here's some 
>> instructions I posted back when Mavericks first was released:
>> 
>> 1.  Go into Mail Prefs and select the Viewing pane. 
>> 2.  Check to change to Classic View. 
>> 3.  Close Mail Prefs. 
>> 4.  Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter after the Messages Table. 
>> 5.  Press VO-cmd-f5 to make sure the mouse is focused on the Splitter. 
>> 6.  Press down on the Trackpad then drag downwards to the bottom of the 
>> physical Trackpad then release.
>> 
>> You will know that it worked because the splitter will no longer be right 
>> after the Messages Table, it will be the last item at the bottom of the 
>> window.
>> 
>> 7.  Change back into Modern View in the Mail Prefs by unchecking the box. 
>> 8.  Close the Mail Prefs.
>> 
>> You will know that the Preview Pane is closed/hidden/disabled by navigating 
>> around the Mail window and you will note a Vertical Splitter before and 
>> after the Messages Column Group.
>> 
>> If it's not sticking for you, try quitting Mail after getting rid of the 
>> Preview Pane in Classic view.  Once you re-open Mail, you can change back to 
>> the Modern View and the change should stick.  At least it has for me 
>> numerous times.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 3:17 PM, Gabriele Battaglia  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all.
>>> 
>>> My first question is something very simple and probably already answered in 
>>> this list, I apologize for that.
>>> 
>>> I'm talking about mail on Mavericks 10.9.2
>>> I would like that the read/unread label of my messages, won't change till I 
>>> really open them.
>>> Now the unread messages change their status maybe when I pass over them 
>>> with the VO cursor as they show up in the preview box.
>>> 
>>> Does exist a way to prevent it?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Gabriel.
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> 
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Re: iWorks update fixes more AppleScript

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

This is a really good thing.  I’ve been struggling with Pages and AppleScript 
over the last little while and am hopeful that the new hooks will make things 
run smoother.  I did read on the initial Software Update page for Pages about 
some AppleScript improvements but this detail is much appreciated.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 2, 2014, at 2:08 PM, Chris Blouch  wrote:

> Just rand across this article which says the latest patches to iWorks has 
> fixed a pile of AppleScript issues and added more hooks.
> 
> http://www.macworld.com/article/2138687/latest-iwork-update-is-another-win-for-applescript.html
> 
> CB
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Re: mac learning curve

[Andrew Head]

Learning the mac sure is a big learning curve. Simple tasks you knew how to do 
under windows suddenly become tricky until you know the correct keystrokes. 
Ultimately however, once you've mastered the basics of what you want to know, 
you'll pick up on things much faster and everything will make more sense and 
it'll be worth making the switch. I am still a somewhat new user myself having 
only got my mac last year, but I'm so glad I did. more things just work 
straight out of the box and some things such as downloading books from audible 
work straight out of the box, without having to download extra software to 
accomplish this, and lots of things work out of the box because accessibility 
itself is straight out of the box. 

Good luck Hang in there, and enjoy your mac. :) 
Andrew On 3 Apr 2014, at 4:50 am, Kerri  wrote:

> hillo, Jean:
> 
> I think the learning curve is steep for most people and in this I was 
> fortunate as I am (unfortunately) unemployed and so could take the time to 
> learn the Mac. For me the most difficult aspect was knowing how to access 
> help because this list though helpful, was unable to assist until I learned 
> how to compose an email. I say this because if I'd known that would have been 
> the first question I'd have asked. Composing a new email is done with command 
> plus n once you open the emial client. 
> 
>   ***
> "Thousands of years ago, cats were worshiped as gods. They have never
> forgotten this."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 2, 2014, at 9:38 AM, Jean Parker  wrote:
> 
>> Hello to the person who is thinking of making the switch to mac:
>> I did this about a year ago and here are my thoughts.
>> First of all, the reason I switched was similar to that of other people, my 
>> PC became inoperable one to many times and it was at a time when I was to 
>> have begun an online  teaching assignment.  I came very close to losing my 
>> job because getting the PC laptop repaired/replaced and then everything 
>> restored took so long.  It was a total disaster!  
>> 
>> The learning curve was steep for me and it took about two months to return 
>> to any semblance of efficiency.  I am sure it is shorter for many people and 
>> longer for others.  So, during the transition, it would be helpful to allow 
>> for the time and energy it will take to learn the new system and screen 
>> reader.  
>> 
>> There are fantastic resources on this list for getting help.  These include 
>> several people who are authorised by Apple to teach the Mac using Voiceover. 
>>  Keep in mind however, that Apple does not pay for this training and 
>> although it is reasonably priced, this is one area where Apple could do 
>> better.  I live close to an Apple store and although I had the One to One 
>> training the first year I had my Mac, I did not renew it.  I found that the 
>> trainers were very knowledgeable about the Mac but not about Voiceover.  I 
>> receive far superior information from this list without leaving home.  
>> 
>> If you live near an Apple store you also have access to something called a 
>> Genious Bar.  If you are having some difficulty with your computer, after an 
>> upgrade for example, you can take it to them and get it sorted out for free. 
>>  Apple has phone support which others on this list have much more experience 
>> with than I do.  
>> 
>> In general, working with and maintaining the Mac is a much more streamlined 
>> process than a PC.  For example, my disk drive bit the dust the last time I 
>> was working in India.  Because I have Apple Care, it was replaced with no 
>> charge but I found that the restoration process was a thousand times easier 
>> and less time-consuming than it ever was on the PC.  Apple has Time Machine 
>> which makes a backup of your disk including data which you use to restore 
>> the system.  If you haven't backed up in a while, it even reminds you to do 
>> it.  
>> 
>> So, if you do switch to the Mac, be sure and allow yourself time to 
>> integrate the new knowledge systematically.  I for one, would never even 
>> consider returning to using a PC.  But if for some reason I had to, I would 
>> either use bootcamp or VM Fusion instead of going back to a computer 
>> environment which is so unstable and unpredictable.  To me, using a PC 
>> became unviable in my work environment so it had to go.  
>> 
>> The only thing I find more difficult with Mac is using Skype.  On the PC you 
>> can use GW Connect which manages voice and text chatting tasks very well.  
>> When I called GW Micro to ask them if they would make a Mac version, I 
>> thought they were going to hang up on me.  So, that is the only compromise I 
>> feel I have made.  
>> 
>> Good luck with your decision and keep asking us questions.
>> Jean
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