date:20150928

OIS seems to mostly help with stabilizing video, from what I've read. Holding 
still for a shot with an OCR app, you probably won't notice it as much.

To say that Apple could include OIS in their smaller devices but chooses not to 
seems groundless. We don't know if they could or not, because we don't know how 
the cameras work. What if the Plus is the only device to offer the necessary 
room? What if there are other technical reasons they couldn't do it last year 
or this year? Apple is always close-mouthed about technical challenges, so no 
one has a clue what the story is. Could this be just another way to drive sales 
toward the larger (and more expensive) phone? Certainly, and I'm not saying it 
couldn't be. However, there's also no reason to say that this is absolutely the 
case.

Other than that, what do you lose by going for the 6S over the Plus? More 
battery life, which is simply a consequence of not being able to cram as much 
battery into a smaller phone. No landscape mode for apps like Safari or Mail, 
which is a design decision--the smaller screen just couldn't show apps in the 
special landscape mode with enough room to let you operate them effectively. 
Remember that Apple is all about esthetics, and a bad user experience isn't 
worth it to them, so they will carefully evaluate things and only bring 
features that look good on big screens to smaller screens when they know they 
can do it well. Finally, you lose the extra room for app screens or braille 
input, which is, again, a consequence of a smaller screen.

Aside from OIS, both models are the same in all but screen/battery. The same 
camera, amount of ram, Touch ID sensor, flash, button placement, 
processor/coprocessor, wireless abilities, ports, NFC chip, and so on. I guess 
I'm not seeing the big deal; if you don't want the Plus, the smaller iPhone 6 
or 6S is still the same device, just smaller and lacking OIS. It's also $100 
less.
> On Sep 28, 2015, at 13:16, Regina Alvarado  wrote:
> 
> 
> Were you able to feel the bubbles? Interesting. I wonder why as it fits over 
> the glass of the phone. Well, I guess I will find out. LOL. It will not 
> matter to me unless it bubbles under my fingers, but it could drive a VI or 
> sighted person to drink I imagine. 
> On Sep 28, 2015, at 12:46 PM, george b  > wrote:
> 
> The the glass screen protector at your carrier’s store and they will put it 
> on for you.
> Note;  I had one and my brother also and they both got bubbles under them so 
> we took them off.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 09:45
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)
>  
>  Whether you need optical image stabilization is dependent on whether you use 
> the camera to take pictures. If you do, it may help. If you don't, and that 
> includes even if you do OCR, it's not worth it. It will not matter. Go with 
> what feels better in your hand, because if you get something it's too big, 
> you will be nothing but frustrated. That is just my opinion of course. Where 
> did you get the gorilla glass screen protector?
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 28, 2015, at 9:40 AM, Regina Alvarado  > wrote:
> 
>  
> What is optical image stabilization? Sounds like nothing I would need, and I 
> like the smaller feel of the 6s. Just curious to know if this is necessary. 
> By your post, it sounds like it costs more too. Oh, I was able to get a 
> screen protector with gorilla glass. What a difference to the touch and 
> movement of the fingers. Is this the first year these protectors have been 
> out? Again, curious. 
> 
> reggie & Lex
> 
> On Sep 28, 2015, at 12:28 PM, Robin  > wrote:
> 
> I think they (they being Apple) should ComeOut with a couple of iPhones with 
> TheSameSpecs with the exception of TheirSize
> 
> If Apple had an iPhone6S, which had all of the features of the iPhone6S+ ... 
> I'm specifically Referrin'To the Optical Image Stablization, which is 
> exclusively only on the iPhone6S+
> 
> Samsung offers Optical Image Stablization on both its GalaxyS6 & GalaxyS6Edge 
> as well as its GalaxyS6Edge+  so the only Real Difference is TheirSize
> 
> What a Concept
> 
> In my opinion, Apple is requiring its customers ToPurchase the LargerDevice 
> if they desire that feature, which is about $100 More
> 
> JustSaying
> At 08:14 AM 9/28/2015, you wrote:
> 
> Anders,
> I agree with you about phone size. I really would like to have something the 
> same size as the 5S. The fourss, or the iPod touch, which is the same 
>

Re: accessible blogging software for mac

Not sure.  What's a bignner, in the first place?

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Singing Sparrow" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: accessible blogging software for mac

How good is it from a bignners point of view? I have a word press blog i 
set up but don't have any web hosting so i would be doing the blogging 
from the web itself?

On 9/28/2015 8:37 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

I highly suggest Mars Edit.

It's in the app store.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Singing Sparrow" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 10:14 PM
Subject: accessible blogging software for mac

what accessible blogging software packages are out there for the mac?

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RE: Touch ID and purchasing things in the Apple online stores

Well go buy something and when it asked for your finger print or password just 
cancel if the finger print is still active it will tell you to put your finger 
on the home button if not it as you know will ask for your password

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 09:47
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Touch ID and purchasing things in the Apple online stores

Yes, I tend to turn my phone off at night when I'm asleep. That is, of course, 
unless it is being charged. But I have certainly turned my phone off on various 
occasions since getting it. So that may explain the problem. Unfortunately, I 
don't have anything I want to buy right now to test out the theory, since it 
has been less than four hours since I signed in and made that purchase.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 28, 2015, at 9:34 AM, Regina Alvarado  > wrote:

Mary, have you turn your phone off lately? I believe there is a time period, 
about 4 hours, where you can use your fingerprint after signing in with your 
Apple ID. If you have shut down your phone, you have to always sign in. Clear 
as mud? 

reggie & Lex

On Sep 28, 2015, at 12:08 PM, Mary Otten  > wrote:

I am confused about the use of touch ID in places like the iBooks store, app 
store or iTunes store. I thought I was set up for that. But I just purchased an 
iBook. I hit the buy button and was prompted to sign in with my password. I put 
my finger on the home  button for touch ID, nothing happened. So I signed  in 
the usual way and the book was purchased. Now I don't have a problem signing 
in. I have been doing it for a long time. But I am confused as to how this 
touch ID thing is supposed to work. There must be some setting I am missing. Or 
I just don't understand its operation.
Mary

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Re: Touch ID and purchasing things in the Apple online stores

Mary, have you turn your phone off lately? I believe there is a time period, 
about 4 hours, where you can use your fingerprint after signing in with your 
Apple ID. If you have shut down your phone, you have to always sign in. Clear 
as mud? 

reggie & Lex

On Sep 28, 2015, at 12:08 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

I am confused about the use of touch ID in places like the iBooks store, app 
store or iTunes store. I thought I was set up for that. But I just purchased an 
iBook. I hit the buy button and was prompted to sign in with my password. I put 
my finger on the home  button for touch ID, nothing happened. So I signed  in 
the usual way and the book was purchased. Now I don't have a problem signing 
in. I have been doing it for a long time. But I am confused as to how this 
touch ID thing is supposed to work. There must be some setting I am missing. Or 
I just don't understand its operation.
Mary

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Re: other mac accessibility mailing list?

2015-09-28 Thread Phil Halton

Deidre, are you on the premium subscription to this list or are you on the 
Freeside. All of us on the premium subscription get regular updates and flyers 
from the administers about these things.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Sep 28, 2015, at 10:40 AM, deedra waters  wrote:
> 
> i’m not going to debate staying current with you accept to say that i have  
> life on top of a mailing list with this kind of traffic you’re crazy but 
> seriously i wish there was a better way of relaying a message like that on a 
> ml with this much traffic. Maybe put something in the footer of the message 
> or get it to mail out a mail that doesn’t get cought by mailing programs so 
> they dont see the announcement and then have so much mail from said list that 
> they litterally dont notice the important things till they complain about  
> the huge spike in ios traffic or something similar.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 6:40 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> Just recently, within the last few weeks, this question was answered by the 
>> moderator Mark Taylor. This list is now and pretty much always has been and 
>> "all things Apple" list. That includes the watch iOS operating system OS X 
>> etc. it makes a good deal of sense as the entire Apple line of products are 
>> all integrated and work seamlessly with each other. That is their intent, 
>> and so this list takes questions regarding all things Apple. There was a 
>> list devoted solely to the Mac OSx operating system, but that has gone the 
>> way of the dinosaur. That's what happens when you don't stay current.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 7:47 AM, Nicolai Svendsen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> 
>>> I would be curious of this as well. It does say that this list is the home 
>>> of the blind Mac user community, so that it has degenerated into a list 
>>> with so many topics regarding iOS is strange to me, especially since we 
>>> have moderators. The description doesn't reflect iOS anywhere, though, and 
>>> if both are allowed now the description should probably be changed. The 
>>> name is rather misleading, but clearly, posting iOS-related discussions is 
>>> OK here.
>>> 
>>> Of course, that makes things a little confusing since this is 
>>> Macvisionaries after all.
>>> 
>>> Nicolai
>>> 
 On 9/28/2015 2:19 AM, deedra waters wrote:
 Is there another ml that’s more mac related? it seems this list has 
 degenerated into an ios mailing list andand i would like one that provides 
 mac support only.
 
 BTW why do people send mail for a ios device to this list? I’ve deleted 
 some 1400 messages from this folder and a lot of it is ios related so if 
 anyone knows of one i would appreciate info on an ml for macs not ios.
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RE: Touch ID and purchasing things in the Apple online stores

2015-09-28 Thread Alan Lemly

Mary,

 

I figured you had the settings sorted and sorry that I didn't see your post
in viphone.

 

Alan

 

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 12:37 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Touch ID and purchasing things in the Apple online stores

 

Yes, Alan, I do have all three of those things active in my touch ID
settings. Everything checks out in the settings. And I posted this question
to both places because I know there are people on Mac visionaries who do not
subscribe to the iPhone list.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 28, 2015, at 10:10 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:

Mary,

 

I think you might want to post your Touch ID issue to viphone because I
think a larger population of Touch ID users are on that list.

 

I'm curious about your Touch ID and Passcode settings. I'm asking the below
from an iPhone 6 running iOS 8.3 perspective so I hope they make sense.

 

What do you have the Use Touch ID For setting turned on for? My choices are
iPhone unlock, Apple Pay, and iTunes and Apps Store. I hate to be elementary
but I'm assuming you do have those last two turned on?

 

Do you have the Require Passcode setting set to immediately or to some other
setting?

 

Do you have Passbook option turned on in the Allow Access when Locked
setting?

 

These are just some of the things I'd suggest you look at to make sure they
are set to get the Touch ID results you're expecting.

 

Good luck.

 

Alan Lemly

 

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 11:47 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Touch ID and purchasing things in the Apple online stores

 

Yes, I tend to turn my phone off at night when I'm asleep. That is, of
course, unless it is being charged. But I have certainly turned my phone off
on various occasions since getting it. So that may explain the problem.
Unfortunately, I don't have anything I want to buy right now to test out the
theory, since it has been less than four hours since I signed in and made
that purchase.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

 

On Sep 28, 2015, at 9:34 AM, Regina Alvarado 
wrote:

Mary, have you turn your phone off lately? I believe there is a time period,
about 4 hours, where you can use your fingerprint after signing in with your
Apple ID. If you have shut down your phone, you have to always sign in.
Clear as mud? 

reggie & Lex


On Sep 28, 2015, at 12:08 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

I am confused about the use of touch ID in places like the iBooks store, app
store or iTunes store. I thought I was set up for that. But I just purchased
an iBook. I hit the buy button and was prompted to sign in with my password.
I put my finger on the home  button for touch ID, nothing happened. So I
signed  in the usual way and the book was purchased. Now I don't have a
problem signing in. I have been doing it for a long time. But I am confused
as to how this touch ID thing is supposed to work. There must be some
setting I am missing. Or I just don't understand its operation.
Mary

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Re: Touch ID and purchasing things in the Apple online stores

2015-09-28 Thread Les Kriegler

I've never been able to purchase anything from the App Store using touch ID. I 
haven't tried it under iOS nine with my new phone, but I'm wondering if I will 
have the same issues.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 28, 2015, at 3:31 PM, 'Kevin Cussick' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well your not alone I get the same thing every time I buy an app from the app 
> store.
>> On 28 Sep 2015, at 17:08, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I am confused about the use of touch ID in places like the iBooks store, app 
>> store or iTunes store. I thought I was set up for that. But I just purchased 
>> an iBook. I hit the buy button and was prompted to sign in with my password. 
>> I put my finger on the home  button for touch ID, nothing happened. So I 
>> signed  in the usual way and the book was purchased. Now I don't have a 
>> problem signing in. I have been doing it for a long time. But I am confused 
>> as to how this touch ID thing is supposed to work. There must be some 
>> setting I am missing. Or I just don't understand its operation.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)

The the glass screen protector at your carrier’s store and they will put it on 
for you.

Note;  I had one and my brother also and they both got bubbles under them so we 
took them off.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 09:45
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)

 Whether you need optical image stabilization is dependent on whether you use 
the camera to take pictures. If you do, it may help. If you don't, and that 
includes even if you do OCR, it's not worth it. It will not matter. Go with 
what feels better in your hand, because if you get something it's too big, you 
will be nothing but frustrated. That is just my opinion of course. Where did 
you get the gorilla glass screen protector?
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 28, 2015, at 9:40 AM, Regina Alvarado  > wrote:

What is optical image stabilization? Sounds like nothing I would need, and I 
like the smaller feel of the 6s. Just curious to know if this is necessary. By 
your post, it sounds like it costs more too. Oh, I was able to get a screen 
protector with gorilla glass. What a difference to the touch and movement of 
the fingers. Is this the first year these protectors have been out? Again, 
curious. 

reggie & Lex

On Sep 28, 2015, at 12:28 PM, Robin  > wrote:

I think they (they being Apple) should ComeOut with a couple of iPhones with 
TheSameSpecs with the exception of TheirSize

If Apple had an iPhone6S, which had all of the features of the iPhone6S+ ... 
I'm specifically Referrin'To the Optical Image Stablization, which is 
exclusively only on the iPhone6S+

Samsung offers Optical Image Stablization on both its GalaxyS6 & GalaxyS6Edge 
as well as its GalaxyS6Edge+  so the only Real Difference is TheirSize

What a Concept

In my opinion, Apple is requiring its customers ToPurchase the LargerDevice if 
they desire that feature, which is about $100 More

JustSaying
At 08:14 AM 9/28/2015, you wrote:

Anders,

I agree with you about phone size. I really would like to have something the 
same size as the 5S. The fourss, or the iPod touch, which is the same 
dimensions I think as far as width and height are concerned, are OK too. But I 
wish they would do something for those of us with smaller hands. Oh well. There 
was a rumor that said they were going to come out with a new one that was the 
same size as the 5S. But so far, as you know that has not happened. Plus, if 
they do, it probably won't have all of the same features as the larger phones.

Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:07 AM, Anders Holmberg   > wrote:

> 

> Hi!

> Well, i might say something stupid now but this is my own personal preference 
> so donâ€™t be angry.

> To me i really whish that if the iphone could be as small as the ipod touch 
> then iâ€™d be as happy as can be.

> Ofcourse this will make braille writing nearly impossible but i never use 
> that so i donâ€™t care much about it.

> We donâ€™t have grade 2 in swedish anymore and we donâ€™t learn it for 
> english either so thats one of the reasons i donâ€™t use braille keyboards.

> /A

>> 27 sep. 2015 kl. 14:03 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu >  >:

>> 

>> I like the plus size  as Alex says if he needs to use the braille keyboard 
>> then there is more room to spread your fingers.  Partially sighted people 
>> say to me that they can read the screen better.  As I have no sight, I can't 
>> say yes or no.

>> 

>> I got tired of the 5S as the design hadn't really changed and I had started 
>> with the 4 so was looking for something different.  No doubt Apple will not 
>> be changing the design of their phones as I don't know what they can do to 
>> change them.

>> 

>> Kawal.

>> On 26 Sep 2015, at 21:15, Alex Hall >  > wrote:

>> 

>> I don't yet have one, but in preparation for upgrading, I wanted to see how 
>> the Plus would fit into my life. I have a cardboard cutout of a Plus, with 
>> some popsicle sticks taped to the back to give it structure. I carried it 
>> for a day, then attached my iPhone 5 to it for the next day. Both days, I 
>> was amazed to find that the cardboard Plus felt large in my hand, but small 
>> in my pocket. It's very thin and light, and is longer and narrower than you 
>> might imagine. Not being a more boxy shape lets it rest in my pocket better, 
>> and I had no problems with it the two days I tested it with my model. While 
>> not an actual phone, this gave me confidence that the Plus will be just 
>> fine, which is good as it's the one I was leaning towards. The better 
>> battery life, larger braille input area,

Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)

Optical image stabilization isn't the only thing you get for that extra hundred 
dollars for the 6S plus. I don't know how it is accomplished. It is possible 
that they need the larger size to make it happen. I don't know how big the 
Samsung phones are either. But I do know that for me as a blind person, optical 
image stabilization is not necessary or useful.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 28, 2015, at 9:28 AM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> I think they (they being Apple) should ComeOut with a couple of iPhones with 
> TheSameSpecs with the exception of TheirSize
> 
> If Apple had an iPhone6S, which had all of the features of the iPhone6S+ ... 
> I'm specifically Referrin'To the Optical Image Stablization, which is 
> exclusively only on the iPhone6S+
> 
> Samsung offers Optical Image Stablization on both its GalaxyS6 & GalaxyS6Edge 
> as well as its GalaxyS6Edge+  so the only Real Difference is TheirSize
> 
> What a Concept
> 
> In my opinion, Apple is requiring its customers ToPurchase the LargerDevice 
> if they desire that feature, which is about $100 More
> 
> JustSaying
> At 08:14 AM 9/28/2015, you wrote:
>> Anders,
>> I agree with you about phone size. I really would like to have something the 
>> same size as the 5S. The fourss, or the iPod touch, which is the same 
>> dimensions I think as far as width and height are concerned, are OK too. But 
>> I wish they would do something for those of us with smaller hands. Oh well. 
>> There was a rumor that said they were going to come out with a new one that 
>> was the same size as the 5S. But so far, as you know that has not happened. 
>> Plus, if they do, it probably won't have all of the same features as the 
>> larger phones.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:07 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi!
>> > Well, i might say something stupid now but this is my own personal 
>> > preference so donâ€™t be angry.
>> > To me i really whish that if the iphone could be as small as the ipod 
>> > touch then iâ€™d be as happy as can be.
>> > Ofcourse this will make braille writing nearly impossible but i never use 
>> > that so i donâ€™t care much about it.
>> > We donâ€™t have grade 2 in swedish anymore and we donâ€™t learn it for 
>> > english either so thats one of the reasons i donâ€™t use braille keyboards.
>> > /A
>> >> 27 sep. 2015 kl. 14:03 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu :
>> >>
>> >> I like the plus size  as Alex says if he needs to use the braille 
>> >> keyboard then there is more room to spread your fingers.  Partially 
>> >> sighted people say to me that they can read the screen better.  As I have 
>> >> no sight, I can't say yes or no.
>> >>
>> >> I got tired of the 5S as the design hadn't really changed and I had 
>> >> started with the 4 so was looking for something different.  No doubt 
>> >> Apple will not be changing the design of their phones as I don't know 
>> >> what they can do to change them.
>> >>
>> >> Kawal.
>> >> On 26 Sep 2015, at 21:15, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I don't yet have one, but in preparation for upgrading, I wanted to see 
>> >> how the Plus would fit into my life. I have a cardboard cutout of a Plus, 
>> >> with some popsicle sticks taped to the back to give it structure. I 
>> >> carried it for a day, then attached my iPhone 5 to it for the next day. 
>> >> Both days, I was amazed to find that the cardboard Plus felt large in my 
>> >> hand, but small in my pocket. It's very thin and light, and is longer and 
>> >> narrower than you might imagine. Not being a more boxy shape lets it rest 
>> >> in my pocket better, and I had no problems with it the two days I tested 
>> >> it with my model. While not an actual phone, this gave me confidence that 
>> >> the Plus will be just fine, which is good as it's the one I was leaning 
>> >> towards. The better battery life, larger braille input area, landscape 
>> >> mode for apps, and image stabilization are all things I'm looking forward 
>> >> to.
>> >>
>> >> You can easily print out the same template I used, and carry around a 
>> >> cardboard version of a Plus, to see how it'll work for you. Yes, it might 
>> >> require minor adjustments in position or grip, but there are definite 
>> >> advantages and I encourage you to consider the change to a Plus as just 
>> >> that: a change, rather than looking for something the same size as the 5S 
>> >> but with better internals. Of course, if the plusses don't outweigh the 
>> >> minuses for you, there's nothing wrong with the 6S, that's why Apple 
>> >> makes both sizes. Give the Plus a shot though; you might be pleasantly 
>> >> surprised.
>> >>> On Sep 26, 2015, at 15:15, Grant  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Whether something is too big or not is obviously subjective, but I do 
>> >>> wonder how the size of the 6Plus and 6S Plus phones makes a difference 
>> >>> in every day usage for VoiceOver

Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)

 Whether you need optical image stabilization is dependent on whether you use 
the camera to take pictures. If you do, it may help. If you don't, and that 
includes even if you do OCR, it's not worth it. It will not matter. Go with 
what feels better in your hand, because if you get something it's too big, you 
will be nothing but frustrated. That is just my opinion of course. Where did 
you get the gorilla glass screen protector?
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 28, 2015, at 9:40 AM, Regina Alvarado  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> What is optical image stabilization? Sounds like nothing I would need, and I 
> like the smaller feel of the 6s. Just curious to know if this is necessary. 
> By your post, it sounds like it costs more too. Oh, I was able to get a 
> screen protector with gorilla glass. What a difference to the touch and 
> movement of the fingers. Is this the first year these protectors have been 
> out? Again, curious. 
> 
> reggie & Lex
> 
> On Sep 28, 2015, at 12:28 PM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> I think they (they being Apple) should ComeOut with a couple of iPhones with 
> TheSameSpecs with the exception of TheirSize
> 
> If Apple had an iPhone6S, which had all of the features of the iPhone6S+ ... 
> I'm specifically Referrin'To the Optical Image Stablization, which is 
> exclusively only on the iPhone6S+
> 
> Samsung offers Optical Image Stablization on both its GalaxyS6 & GalaxyS6Edge 
> as well as its GalaxyS6Edge+  so the only Real Difference is TheirSize
> 
> What a Concept
> 
> In my opinion, Apple is requiring its customers ToPurchase the LargerDevice 
> if they desire that feature, which is about $100 More
> 
> JustSaying
> At 08:14 AM 9/28/2015, you wrote:
>> Anders,
>> I agree with you about phone size. I really would like to have something the 
>> same size as the 5S. The fourss, or the iPod touch, which is the same 
>> dimensions I think as far as width and height are concerned, are OK too. But 
>> I wish they would do something for those of us with smaller hands. Oh well. 
>> There was a rumor that said they were going to come out with a new one that 
>> was the same size as the 5S. But so far, as you know that has not happened. 
>> Plus, if they do, it probably won't have all of the same features as the 
>> larger phones.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:07 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi!
>> > Well, i might say something stupid now but this is my own personal 
>> > preference so donâ€™t be angry.
>> > To me i really whish that if the iphone could be as small as the ipod 
>> > touch then iâ€™d be as happy as can be.
>> > Ofcourse this will make braille writing nearly impossible but i never use 
>> > that so i donâ€™t care much about it.
>> > We donâ€™t have grade 2 in swedish anymore and we donâ€™t learn it for 
>> > english either so thats one of the reasons i donâ€™t use braille keyboards.
>> > /A
>> >> 27 sep. 2015 kl. 14:03 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu :
>> >>
>> >> I like the plus size  as Alex says if he needs to use the braille 
>> >> keyboard then there is more room to spread your fingers.  Partially 
>> >> sighted people say to me that they can read the screen better.  As I have 
>> >> no sight, I can't say yes or no.
>> >>
>> >> I got tired of the 5S as the design hadn't really changed and I had 
>> >> started with the 4 so was looking for something different.  No doubt 
>> >> Apple will not be changing the design of their phones as I don't know 
>> >> what they can do to change them.
>> >>
>> >> Kawal.
>> >> On 26 Sep 2015, at 21:15, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I don't yet have one, but in preparation for upgrading, I wanted to see 
>> >> how the Plus would fit into my life. I have a cardboard cutout of a Plus, 
>> >> with some popsicle sticks taped to the back to give it structure. I 
>> >> carried it for a day, then attached my iPhone 5 to it for the next day. 
>> >> Both days, I was amazed to find that the cardboard Plus felt large in my 
>> >> hand, but small in my pocket. It's very thin and light, and is longer and 
>> >> narrower than you might imagine. Not being a more boxy shape lets it rest 
>> >> in my pocket better, and I had no problems with it the two days I tested 
>> >> it with my model. While not an actual phone, this gave me confidence that 
>> >> the Plus will be just fine, which is good as it's the one I was leaning 
>> >> towards. The better battery life, larger braille input area, landscape 
>> >> mode for apps, and image stabilization are all things I'm looking forward 
>> >> to.
>> >>
>> >> You can easily print out the same template I used, and carry around a 
>> >> cardboard version of a Plus, to see how it'll work for you. Yes, it might 
>> >> require minor adjustments in position or grip, but there are definite 
>> >> advantages and I encourage you to consider the change to a Plus as just 
>> >> that: a

RE: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)

Lol and what does all of this have to do with the subject line

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Robin
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 10:09
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)

That's not true because Nokia has that feature on its VZW (NowRetired) 
LumiaIcon (Lumia929) & Samsung has it on their MobilePhones since launching the 
GalaxyS5 & Beyond (that includes the Note Series as well as the Galaxy S Series

the GalaxyS6 is about 5.1 Inches & the GalaxyS6Edge+ is about 5.7 Inches

And, as I recall, the iPhone6S+ is about 5.5 Inches & the iPhone6S is about 4.7 
Inches

Apple could have this feature on both modles, but it chooses not to

As I understand it, this feature is rumored to help in catching/viewing Video 
and/or taking pictures

I'm sure others, who have the iPhone6+ and/or 
iPhone6S+ can ChimeIn on it. I am particularly
interested to hear from TotallyBlind users of the 
iPhone6+ and/or iPhone6S+, and how it functions
for them. It would be Great if they had an
iPhone6 and/or iPhone6S to Compare TheDifferences With & WithOut the 
Optical Image Stablization feature

JustSaying
At 09:48 AM 9/28/2015, you wrote:
>Optical image stabilization isn't the only thing you get for that extra 
>hundred dollars for the 6S plus. I don't know how it is accomplished. 
>It is possible that they need the larger size to make it happen. I 
>don't know how big the Samsung phones are either. But I do know that 
>for me as a blind person, optical image stabilization is not necessary 
>or useful.
>Mary
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 28, 2015, at 9:28 AM, Robin  wrote:
> >
> > I think they (they being Apple) should
> ComeOut with a couple of iPhones with TheSameSpecs with the 
> exception of TheirSize
> >
> > If Apple had an iPhone6S, which had all of
> the features of the iPhone6S+ ... I'm specifically Referrin'To the 
> Optical Image Stablization, which is exclusively only on the iPhone6S+
> >
> > Samsung offers Optical Image Stablization on
> both its GalaxyS6 & GalaxyS6Edge as well as its
> GalaxyS6Edge+  so the only Real Difference is TheirSize
> >
> > What a Concept
> >
> > In my opinion, Apple is requiring its
> customers ToPurchase the LargerDevice if they desire that feature, 
> which is about $100 More
> >
> > JustSaying
> > At 08:14 AM 9/28/2015, you wrote:
> >> Anders,
> >> I agree with you about phone size. I really
> would like to have something the same size as the 5S. The fourss, or 
> the iPod touch, which is the same dimensions I think as far as width 
> and height are concerned, are OK too. But I wish they would do 
> something for those of us with smaller hands. Oh well. There was a 
> rumor that said they were going to come out with a new one that was 
> the same size as the 5S. But so far, as you know that has not 
> happened. Plus, if they do, it probably won't have all of the same 
> features as the larger phones.
> >> Mary
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> > On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:07 AM, Anders
> Holmberg  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hi!
> >> > Well, i might say something stupid now but
> this is my own personal preference so donÃ¢€™t be angry.
>.
> >> > To me i really whish that if the iphone
> could be as small as the ipod touch then iÃ¢€™d be as happy as can be.
>.
> >> > Ofcourse this will make braille writing
> nearly impossible but i never use that so i donÃ¢€™t care much about it.
>.
> >> > We donÃ¢€™t have grade 2 in swedish
> anymore and we we donÃ¢€™t learn it for english  either so thats one 
>of tf the reasons i donÃ¢€™t use braille keyboards.
>.
> >> > /A
> >> >> 27 sep. 2015 kl. 14:03 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu :
> >> >>
> >> >> I like the plus size  as Alex says if he
> needs to use the braille keyboard then there is more room to spread 
> your fingers.  Partially sighted people say to me that they can read 
> the screen better.  As I have no sight, I can't say yes or no.
> >> >>
> >> >> I got tired of the 5S as the design
> hadn't really changed and I had started with the 4 so was looking for 
> something different.  No doubt Apple will not be changing the design 
> of their phones as I don't know what they can do to change them.
> >> >>
> >> >> Kawal.
> >> >> On 26 Sep 2015, at 21:15, Alex Hall  wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't yet have one, but in preparation
> for upgrading, I wanted to see how the Plus would fit into my life. I 
> have a cardboard cutout of a Plus, with some popsicle sticks taped to 
> the back to give it structure. I carried it for a day, then attached 
> my iPhone 5 to it for the next day. Both days, I was amazed to find 
> that the cardboard Plus felt large in my hand, but small in my pocket. 
> It's very thin and light, and is longer and narrower than you might 
> imagine. Not being a more boxy shape lets it rest in my

Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)


What is optical image stabilization? Sounds like nothing I would need, and I 
like the smaller feel of the 6s. Just curious to know if this is necessary. By 
your post, it sounds like it costs more too. Oh, I was able to get a screen 
protector with gorilla glass. What a difference to the touch and movement of 
the fingers. Is this the first year these protectors have been out? Again, 
curious. 

reggie & Lex

On Sep 28, 2015, at 12:28 PM, Robin  wrote:

I think they (they being Apple) should ComeOut with a couple of iPhones with 
TheSameSpecs with the exception of TheirSize

If Apple had an iPhone6S, which had all of the features of the iPhone6S+ ... 
I'm specifically Referrin'To the Optical Image Stablization, which is 
exclusively only on the iPhone6S+

Samsung offers Optical Image Stablization on both its GalaxyS6 & GalaxyS6Edge 
as well as its GalaxyS6Edge+  so the only Real Difference is TheirSize

What a Concept

In my opinion, Apple is requiring its customers ToPurchase the LargerDevice if 
they desire that feature, which is about $100 More

JustSaying
At 08:14 AM 9/28/2015, you wrote:
> Anders,
> I agree with you about phone size. I really would like to have something the 
> same size as the 5S. The fourss, or the iPod touch, which is the same 
> dimensions I think as far as width and height are concerned, are OK too. But 
> I wish they would do something for those of us with smaller hands. Oh well. 
> There was a rumor that said they were going to come out with a new one that 
> was the same size as the 5S. But so far, as you know that has not happened. 
> Plus, if they do, it probably won't have all of the same features as the 
> larger phones.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:07 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> >
> > Hi!
> > Well, i might say something stupid now but this is my own personal 
> > preference so donâ€™t be angry.
> > To me i really whish that if the iphone could be as small as the ipod touch 
> > then iâ€™d be as happy as can be.
> > Ofcourse this will make braille writing nearly impossible but i never use 
> > that so i donâ€™t care much about it.
> > We donâ€™t have grade 2 in swedish anymore and we donâ€™t learn it for 
> > english either so thats one of the reasons i donâ€™t use braille keyboards.
> > /A
> >> 27 sep. 2015 kl. 14:03 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu :
> >>
> >> I like the plus size  as Alex says if he needs to use the braille keyboard 
> >> then there is more room to spread your fingers.  Partially sighted people 
> >> say to me that they can read the screen better.  As I have no sight, I 
> >> can't say yes or no.
> >>
> >> I got tired of the 5S as the design hadn't really changed and I had 
> >> started with the 4 so was looking for something different.  No doubt Apple 
> >> will not be changing the design of their phones as I don't know what they 
> >> can do to change them.
> >>
> >> Kawal.
> >> On 26 Sep 2015, at 21:15, Alex Hall  wrote:
> >>
> >> I don't yet have one, but in preparation for upgrading, I wanted to see 
> >> how the Plus would fit into my life. I have a cardboard cutout of a Plus, 
> >> with some popsicle sticks taped to the back to give it structure. I 
> >> carried it for a day, then attached my iPhone 5 to it for the next day. 
> >> Both days, I was amazed to find that the cardboard Plus felt large in my 
> >> hand, but small in my pocket. It's very thin and light, and is longer and 
> >> narrower than you might imagine. Not being a more boxy shape lets it rest 
> >> in my pocket better, and I had no problems with it the two days I tested 
> >> it with my model. While not an actual phone, this gave me confidence that 
> >> the Plus will be just fine, which is good as it's the one I was leaning 
> >> towards. The better battery life, larger braille input area, landscape 
> >> mode for apps, and image stabilization are all things I'm looking forward 
> >> to.
> >>
> >> You can easily print out the same template I used, and carry around a 
> >> cardboard version of a Plus, to see how it'll work for you. Yes, it might 
> >> require minor adjustments in position or grip, but there are definite 
> >> advantages and I encourage you to consider the change to a Plus as just 
> >> that: a change, rather than looking for something the same size as the 5S 
> >> but with better internals. Of course, if the plusses don't outweigh the 
> >> minuses for you, there's nothing wrong with the 6S, that's why Apple makes 
> >> both sizes. Give the Plus a shot though; you might be pleasantly surprised.
> >>> On Sep 26, 2015, at 15:15, Grant  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Whether something is too big or not is obviously subjective, but I do 
> >>> wonder how the size of the 6Plus and 6S Plus phones makes a difference in 
> >>> every day usage for VoiceOver users. On the plus side, perhaps for folks 
> >>> who use Braille screen input, the larger

Re: Touch ID and purchasing things in the Apple online stores

Yes, I tend to turn my phone off at night when I'm asleep. That is, of course, 
unless it is being charged. But I have certainly turned my phone off on various 
occasions since getting it. So that may explain the problem. Unfortunately, I 
don't have anything I want to buy right now to test out the theory, since it 
has been less than four hours since I signed in and made that purchase.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 28, 2015, at 9:34 AM, Regina Alvarado  
> wrote:
> 
> Mary, have you turn your phone off lately? I believe there is a time period, 
> about 4 hours, where you can use your fingerprint after signing in with your 
> Apple ID. If you have shut down your phone, you have to always sign in. Clear 
> as mud? 
> 
> reggie & Lex
> 
> On Sep 28, 2015, at 12:08 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I am confused about the use of touch ID in places like the iBooks store, app 
> store or iTunes store. I thought I was set up for that. But I just purchased 
> an iBook. I hit the buy button and was prompted to sign in with my password. 
> I put my finger on the home  button for touch ID, nothing happened. So I 
> signed  in the usual way and the book was purchased. Now I don't have a 
> problem signing in. I have been doing it for a long time. But I am confused 
> as to how this touch ID thing is supposed to work. There must be some setting 
> I am missing. Or I just don't understand its operation.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)


I bought it in the Sprint store. It is wonderful. I would say Amazon or other 
places have them, though. No more stuck fingers. In fact, I find myself tapping 
even lighter on the screen. Do not know why this is so, however. It just 
happened. It cost about 40 dollars so it is more expensive, but I will always 
have one. 
On Sep 28, 2015, at 12:44 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

 Whether you need optical image stabilization is dependent on whether you use 
the camera to take pictures. If you do, it may help. If you don't, and that 
includes even if you do OCR, it's not worth it. It will not matter. Go with 
what feels better in your hand, because if you get something it's too big, you 
will be nothing but frustrated. That is just my opinion of course. Where did 
you get the gorilla glass screen protector?
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 28, 2015, at 9:40 AM, Regina Alvarado  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> What is optical image stabilization? Sounds like nothing I would need, and I 
> like the smaller feel of the 6s. Just curious to know if this is necessary. 
> By your post, it sounds like it costs more too. Oh, I was able to get a 
> screen protector with gorilla glass. What a difference to the touch and 
> movement of the fingers. Is this the first year these protectors have been 
> out? Again, curious. 
> 
> reggie & Lex
> 
> On Sep 28, 2015, at 12:28 PM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> I think they (they being Apple) should ComeOut with a couple of iPhones with 
> TheSameSpecs with the exception of TheirSize
> 
> If Apple had an iPhone6S, which had all of the features of the iPhone6S+ ... 
> I'm specifically Referrin'To the Optical Image Stablization, which is 
> exclusively only on the iPhone6S+
> 
> Samsung offers Optical Image Stablization on both its GalaxyS6 & GalaxyS6Edge 
> as well as its GalaxyS6Edge+  so the only Real Difference is TheirSize
> 
> What a Concept
> 
> In my opinion, Apple is requiring its customers ToPurchase the LargerDevice 
> if they desire that feature, which is about $100 More
> 
> JustSaying
> At 08:14 AM 9/28/2015, you wrote:
>> Anders,
>> I agree with you about phone size. I really would like to have something the 
>> same size as the 5S. The fourss, or the iPod touch, which is the same 
>> dimensions I think as far as width and height are concerned, are OK too. But 
>> I wish they would do something for those of us with smaller hands. Oh well. 
>> There was a rumor that said they were going to come out with a new one that 
>> was the same size as the 5S. But so far, as you know that has not happened. 
>> Plus, if they do, it probably won't have all of the same features as the 
>> larger phones.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:07 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi!
>> > Well, i might say something stupid now but this is my own personal 
>> > preference so donâ€™t be angry.
>> > To me i really whish that if the iphone could be as small as the ipod 
>> > touch then iâ€™d be as happy as can be.
>> > Ofcourse this will make braille writing nearly impossible but i never use 
>> > that so i donâ€™t care much about it.
>> > We donâ€™t have grade 2 in swedish anymore and we donâ€™t learn it for 
>> > english either so thats one of the reasons i donâ€™t use braille keyboards.
>> > /A
>> >> 27 sep. 2015 kl. 14:03 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu :
>> >>
>> >> I like the plus size  as Alex says if he needs to use the braille 
>> >> keyboard then there is more room to spread your fingers.  Partially 
>> >> sighted people say to me that they can read the screen better.  As I have 
>> >> no sight, I can't say yes or no.
>> >>
>> >> I got tired of the 5S as the design hadn't really changed and I had 
>> >> started with the 4 so was looking for something different.  No doubt 
>> >> Apple will not be changing the design of their phones as I don't know 
>> >> what they can do to change them.
>> >>
>> >> Kawal.
>> >> On 26 Sep 2015, at 21:15, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I don't yet have one, but in preparation for upgrading, I wanted to see 
>> >> how the Plus would fit into my life. I have a cardboard cutout of a Plus, 
>> >> with some popsicle sticks taped to the back to give it structure. I 
>> >> carried it for a day, then attached my iPhone 5 to it for the next day. 
>> >> Both days, I was amazed to find that the cardboard Plus felt large in my 
>> >> hand, but small in my pocket. It's very thin and light, and is longer and 
>> >> narrower than you might imagine. Not being a more boxy shape lets it rest 
>> >> in my pocket better, and I had no problems with it the two days I tested 
>> >> it with my model. While not an actual phone, this gave me confidence that 
>> >> the Plus will be just fine, which is good as it's the one I was leaning 
>> >> towards. The better battery life, larger braille input area, landscape 
>> >> mode for apps, and image

RE: other mac accessibility mailing list?

2015-09-28 Thread M. Taylor

Hello Everyone,

I hope you are all doing well.

First, let me mention that, as I hate to hijack a thread, I will post the 
following comments in a separate thread, as well as this one.

Second, both Cara and I always appreciate any feedback on list policies as it 
is necessary to revisit such subjects from time-to-time.  

Third, I want you to know that, thanks to the elegance of the native Mac Mail 
application, I read virtually every post to this list so rest assured that your 
comments are being heard by the moderators and all of your suggestions will be 
considered.  

Fourth, at this time, the general list policy, implemented on Wednesday, 
September 16, 2015, in the thread entitled “MODERATOR NOTE:  General List 
Discussion Policy Update”, a few weeks back, stands.  That is to say, all 
non-beta Apple-related discussions are welcomed on this list.

Fifth, I ask that this particular thread, discussing the scope of list 
discussions, be closed.  I realize that, due to differences in time zones, 
personal schedules, etc, many list members will not see this post, requesting 
that this thread be closed, immediately.  As a result, there will doubtless be 
a few more posts to this thread.  That’s okay.  Please do not take it upon 
yourselves to admonish those who may appear to be disregarding my request.  
Just trust that I am monitoring the threads and I will determine if someone is 
disregarding my request for thread closure.

Sixth, in order to insure that this topic will not begin to threaten the fabric 
of the list’s integrity, those who continue to contribute to this thread will 
be placed on moderated status.

Finally, please send any comments regarding this or any list policy to me, 
off-list, at:  mk...@ucla.edu.

Thank you all for being a part of this community.

Sincerely,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Phil Halton
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 10:08 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: other mac accessibility mailing list?

Deidre, are you on the premium subscription to this list or are you on the 
Freeside. All of us on the premium subscription get regular updates and flyers 
from the administers about these things.

Sent from my IPhone

> On Sep 28, 2015, at 10:40 AM, deedra waters  wrote:
> 
> i’m not going to debate staying current with you accept to say that i have  
> life on top of a mailing list with this kind of traffic you’re crazy but 
> seriously i wish there was a better way of relaying a message like that on a 
> ml with this much traffic. Maybe put something in the footer of the message 
> or get it to mail out a mail that doesn’t get cought by mailing programs so 
> they dont see the announcement and then have so much mail from said list that 
> they litterally dont notice the important things till they complain about  
> the huge spike in ios traffic or something similar.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 6:40 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> Just recently, within the last few weeks, this question was answered by the 
>> moderator Mark Taylor. This list is now and pretty much always has been and 
>> "all things Apple" list. That includes the watch iOS operating system OS X 
>> etc. it makes a good deal of sense as the entire Apple line of products are 
>> all integrated and work seamlessly with each other. That is their intent, 
>> and so this list takes questions regarding all things Apple. There was a 
>> list devoted solely to the Mac OSx operating system, but that has gone the 
>> way of the dinosaur. That's what happens when you don't stay current.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 7:47 AM, Nicolai Svendsen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> 
>>> I would be curious of this as well. It does say that this list is the home 
>>> of the blind Mac user community, so that it has degenerated into a list 
>>> with so many topics regarding iOS is strange to me, especially since we 
>>> have moderators. The description doesn't reflect iOS anywhere, though, and 
>>> if both are allowed now the description should probably be changed. The 
>>> name is rather misleading, but clearly, posting iOS-related discussions is 
>>> OK here.
>>> 
>>> Of course, that makes things a little confusing since this is 
>>> Macvisionaries after all.
>>> 
>>> Nicolai
>>> 
 On 9/28/2015 2:19 AM, deedra waters wrote:
 Is there another ml that’s more mac related? it seems this list has 
 degenerated into an ios mailing list andand i would like one that provides 
 mac support only.

 BTW why do people send mail for a ios device to this list? I’ve deleted 
 some 1400 messages from this folder and a lot of it is ios related so if 
 anyone knows of one i would appreciate info on an ml for macs not ios.
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Using 3D touch with VoiceOver

2015-09-28 Thread Scott Davert

Hi all.
I developed both a guide and podcast on this, so for those struggling,
maybe one or the other will help. The guide can be found at:
http://applevis.com/guides/ios-iphone-voiceover/voiceover-users-guide-3d-touch-iphone-6s
The podcast can be found at:
http://applevis.com/podcast/episodes/demonstration-using-3d-touch-voiceover-iphone-6s-and-6s-plus

Scott

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Re: accessible blogging software for mac

2015-09-28 Thread Singing Sparrow

How good is it from a bignners point of view? I have a word press blog i 
set up but don't have any web hosting so i would be doing the blogging 
from the web itself?


On 9/28/2015 8:37 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

I highly suggest Mars Edit.

It's in the app store.

Chris.

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To: 
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Subject: accessible blogging software for mac



what accessible blogging software packages are out there for the mac?

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Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)

My carrier store does not have glass screen protectors. That is T-Mobile. I got 
one for my 5S2 years ago from the Verizon store. I have seen one online made by 
anger, and sold from Amazon via anchor direct. I am debating whether or not I 
want to get another one.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 28, 2015, at 9:46 AM, george b  wrote:
> 
> The the glass screen protector at your carrier’s store and they will put it 
> on for you.
> Note;  I had one and my brother also and they both got bubbles under them so 
> we took them off.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 09:45
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)
>  
>  Whether you need optical image stabilization is dependent on whether you use 
> the camera to take pictures. If you do, it may help. If you don't, and that 
> includes even if you do OCR, it's not worth it. It will not matter. Go with 
> what feels better in your hand, because if you get something it's too big, 
> you will be nothing but frustrated. That is just my opinion of course. Where 
> did you get the gorilla glass screen protector?
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 28, 2015, at 9:40 AM, Regina Alvarado  
> wrote:
> 
>  
> What is optical image stabilization? Sounds like nothing I would need, and I 
> like the smaller feel of the 6s. Just curious to know if this is necessary. 
> By your post, it sounds like it costs more too. Oh, I was able to get a 
> screen protector with gorilla glass. What a difference to the touch and 
> movement of the fingers. Is this the first year these protectors have been 
> out? Again, curious. 
> 
> reggie & Lex
> 
> On Sep 28, 2015, at 12:28 PM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> I think they (they being Apple) should ComeOut with a couple of iPhones with 
> TheSameSpecs with the exception of TheirSize
> 
> If Apple had an iPhone6S, which had all of the features of the iPhone6S+ ... 
> I'm specifically Referrin'To the Optical Image Stablization, which is 
> exclusively only on the iPhone6S+
> 
> Samsung offers Optical Image Stablization on both its GalaxyS6 & GalaxyS6Edge 
> as well as its GalaxyS6Edge+  so the only Real Difference is TheirSize
> 
> What a Concept
> 
> In my opinion, Apple is requiring its customers ToPurchase the LargerDevice 
> if they desire that feature, which is about $100 More
> 
> JustSaying
> At 08:14 AM 9/28/2015, you wrote:
> 
> Anders,
> I agree with you about phone size. I really would like to have something the 
> same size as the 5S. The fourss, or the iPod touch, which is the same 
> dimensions I think as far as width and height are concerned, are OK too. But 
> I wish they would do something for those of us with smaller hands. Oh well. 
> There was a rumor that said they were going to come out with a new one that 
> was the same size as the 5S. But so far, as you know that has not happened. 
> Plus, if they do, it probably won't have all of the same features as the 
> larger phones.
> Mary
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
>  
> > On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:07 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi!
> > Well, i might say something stupid now but this is my own personal 
> > preference so donâ€™t be angry.
> > To me i really whish that if the iphone could be as small as the ipod touch 
> > then iâ€™d be as happy as can be.
> > Ofcourse this will make braille writing nearly impossible but i never use 
> > that so i donâ€™t care much about it.
> > We donâ€™t have grade 2 in swedish anymore and we donâ€™t learn it for 
> > english either so thats one of the reasons i donâ€™t use braille keyboards.
> > /A
> >> 27 sep. 2015 kl. 14:03 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu :
> >> 
> >> I like the plus size  as Alex says if he needs to use the braille keyboard 
> >> then there is more room to spread your fingers.  Partially sighted people 
> >> say to me that they can read the screen better.  As I have no sight, I 
> >> can't say yes or no.
> >> 
> >> I got tired of the 5S as the design hadn't really changed and I had 
> >> started with the 4 so was looking for something different.  No doubt Apple 
> >> will not be changing the design of their phones as I don't know what they 
> >> can do to change them.
> >> 
> >> Kawal.
> >> On 26 Sep 2015, at 21:15, Alex Hall  wrote:
> >> 
> >> I don't yet have one, but in preparation for upgrading, I wanted to see 
> >> how the Plus would fit into my life. I have a cardboard cutout of a Plus, 
> >> with some popsicle sticks taped to the back to give it structure. I 
> >> carried it for a day, then attached my iPhone 5 to it for the next day. 
> >> Both days, I was amazed to find that the cardboard Plus felt large in my 
> >> hand, but small in my pocket. It's very thin and light, and is longer and 
> >> narrower than

Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)

2015-09-28 Thread Robin

That's not true because Nokia has that feature on 
its VZW (NowRetired) LumiaIcon (Lumia929) & 
Samsung has it on their MobilePhones since 
launching the GalaxyS5 & Beyond (that includes 
the Note Series as well as the Galaxy S Series


the GalaxyS6 is about 5.1 Inches & the GalaxyS6Edge+ is about 5.7 Inches

And, as I recall, the iPhone6S+ is about 5.5 
Inches & the iPhone6S is about 4.7 Inches


Apple could have this feature on both modles, but it chooses not to

As I understand it, this feature is rumored to 
help in catching/viewing Video and/or taking pictures


I'm sure others, who have the iPhone6+ and/or 
iPhone6S+ can ChimeIn on it. I am particularly 
interested to hear from TotallyBlind users of the 
iPhone6+ and/or iPhone6S+, and how it functions 
for them. It would be Great if they had an 
iPhone6 and/or iPhone6S to Compare 
TheDifferences With & WithOut the Optical Image Stablization feature


JustSaying
At 09:48 AM 9/28/2015, you wrote:
Optical image stabilization isn't the only thing 
you get for that extra hundred dollars for the 
6S plus. I don't know how it is accomplished. It 
is possible that they need the larger size to 
make it happen. I don't know how big the Samsung 
phones are either. But I do know that for me as 
a blind person, optical image stabilization is not necessary or useful.

Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 28, 2015, at 9:28 AM, Robin  wrote:
>
> I think they (they being Apple) should 
ComeOut with a couple of iPhones with 
TheSameSpecs with the exception of TheirSize

>
> If Apple had an iPhone6S, which had all of 
the features of the iPhone6S+ ... I'm 
specifically Referrin'To the Optical Image 
Stablization, which is exclusively only on the iPhone6S+

>
> Samsung offers Optical Image Stablization on 
both its GalaxyS6 & GalaxyS6Edge as well as its 
GalaxyS6Edge+  so the only Real Difference is TheirSize

>
> What a Concept
>
> In my opinion, Apple is requiring its 
customers ToPurchase the LargerDevice if they 
desire that feature, which is about $100 More

>
> JustSaying
> At 08:14 AM 9/28/2015, you wrote:
>> Anders,
>> I agree with you about phone size. I really 
would like to have something the same size as 
the 5S. The fourss, or the iPod touch, which is 
the same dimensions I think as far as width and 
height are concerned, are OK too. But I wish 
they would do something for those of us with 
smaller hands. Oh well. There was a rumor that 
said they were going to come out with a new one 
that was the same size as the 5S. But so far, 
as you know that has not happened. Plus, if 
they do, it probably won't have all of the same features as the larger phones.

>> Mary
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:07 AM, Anders 
Holmberg  wrote:

>> >
>> > Hi!
>> > Well, i might say something stupid now but 
this is my own personal preference so donÃ¢€™t be angry.

.
>> > To me i really whish that if the iphone 
could be as small as the ipod touch then iÃ¢€™d be as happy as can be.

.
>> > Ofcourse this will make braille writing 
nearly impossible but i never use that so i donÃ¢€™t care much about it.

.
>> > We donÃ¢€™t have grade 2 in swedish 
anymore and we we donÃ¢€™t learn it for english 
either so thats one of tf the reasons i donÃ¢€™t use braille keyboards.

.
>> > /A
>> >> 27 sep. 2015 kl. 14:03 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu :
>> >>
>> >> I like the plus size  as Alex says if he 
needs to use the braille keyboard then there is 
more room to spread your fingers.  Partially 
sighted people say to me that they can read the 
screen better.  As I have no sight, I can't say yes or no.

>> >>
>> >> I got tired of the 5S as the design 
hadn't really changed and I had started with 
the 4 so was looking for something 
different.  No doubt Apple will not be changing 
the design of their phones as I don't know what they can do to change them.

>> >>
>> >> Kawal.
>> >> On 26 Sep 2015, at 21:15, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I don't yet have one, but in preparation 
for upgrading, I wanted to see how the Plus 
would fit into my life. I have a cardboard 
cutout of a Plus, with some popsicle sticks 
taped to the back to give it structure. I 
carried it for a day, then attached my iPhone 5 
to it for the next day. Both days, I was amazed 
to find that the cardboard Plus felt large in 
my hand, but small in my pocket. It's very thin 
and light, and is longer and narrower than you 
might imagine. Not being a more boxy shape lets 
it rest in my pocket better, and I had no 
problems with it the two days I tested it with 
my model. While not an actual phone, this gave 
me confidence that the Plus will be just fine, 
which is good as it's the one I was leaning 
towards. The better battery life, larger 
braille input area, landscape mode for apps, 
and image stabilization are all things I'm looking forward to.

>> >>
>> >> You can easily print out the same 
template I used, and carry around

Re: Touch ID and purchasing things in the Apple online stores

Yes, Alan, I do have all three of those things active in my touch ID settings. 
Everything checks out in the settings. And I posted this question to both 
places because I know there are people on Mac visionaries who do not subscribe 
to the iPhone list.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 28, 2015, at 10:10 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> Mary,
>  
> I think you might want to post your Touch ID issue to viphone because I think 
> a larger population of Touch ID users are on that list.
>  
> I'm curious about your Touch ID and Passcode settings. I'm asking the below 
> from an iPhone 6 running iOS 8.3 perspective so I hope they make sense.
>  
> What do you have the Use Touch ID For setting turned on for? My choices are 
> iPhone unlock, Apple Pay, and iTunes and Apps Store. I hate to be elementary 
> but I'm assuming you do have those last two turned on?
>  
> Do you have the Require Passcode setting set to immediately or to some other 
> setting?
>  
> Do you have Passbook option turned on in the Allow Access when Locked setting?
>  
> These are just some of the things I'd suggest you look at to make sure they 
> are set to get the Touch ID results you're expecting.
>  
> Good luck.
>  
> Alan Lemly
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 11:47 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Touch ID and purchasing things in the Apple online stores
>  
> Yes, I tend to turn my phone off at night when I'm asleep. That is, of 
> course, unless it is being charged. But I have certainly turned my phone off 
> on various occasions since getting it. So that may explain the problem. 
> Unfortunately, I don't have anything I want to buy right now to test out the 
> theory, since it has been less than four hours since I signed in and made 
> that purchase.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 9:34 AM, Regina Alvarado  
>> wrote:
>> Mary, have you turn your phone off lately? I believe there is a time period, 
>> about 4 hours, where you can use your fingerprint after signing in with your 
>> Apple ID. If you have shut down your phone, you have to always sign in. 
>> Clear as mud? 
>> 
>> reggie & Lex
>> 
>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 12:08 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I am confused about the use of touch ID in places like the iBooks store, app 
>> store or iTunes store. I thought I was set up for that. But I just purchased 
>> an iBook. I hit the buy button and was prompted to sign in with my password. 
>> I put my finger on the home  button for touch ID, nothing happened. So I 
>> signed  in the usual way and the book was purchased. Now I don't have a 
>> problem signing in. I have been doing it for a long time. But I am confused 
>> as to how this touch ID thing is supposed to work. There must be some 
>> setting I am missing. Or I just don't understand its operation.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: iPhone 6s Plus Audio Demonstration

2015-09-28 Thread wayne coles

hi just click on the word here

 

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On Behalf Of Faisal ali
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 1:24 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 6s Plus Audio Demonstration

 

Hi,

I don’t see the link anywhere.

On Sep 27, 2015, at 9:52 AM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:

 

Hi Jonathan, 

 

Well done on an excellent and informative podcast. 

 

With Best regards, 

 

Sadam Ahmed 

 

Blog: 

 

Http://www.SadamAhmed.com   

 

Sent from my 13-inch MacBook Pro 

 

 

 

 

On 25 Sep 2015, at 1:52 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:

 

Hi everyone, This morning I received my iPhone 6s Plus. I've put together a 30 
minute podcast detailing my initial impressions. It includes an explanation of 
a Siri bug unique to the new phones, and a demonstration of 3d Touch.

You can listen to the demonstration here  .

 

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org  

 

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Re: Chrome Busy

2015-09-28 Thread Jeffrey Shockley

Hi,
I’ve seen this before although, not in a really long time.
The easiest way that might fix it hopefully, is to use something like App 
Cleaner to completely uninstall and by that I mean, not only delete the app, 
but it also removes preference files and such for it. Then, try reinstalling 
Chrome. Although be aware, that you’ll have to go into System Preferences/Users 
and Groups/Login Items tab and remove Google Chrome from that list if you don’t 
want Chrome popping up every time you reboot.
If all that doesn’t work, try downloading and installing the latest Chrome beta.
Hope that helps,
Jeffrey
> On Sep 28, 2015, at 12:11 PM, Barry Abbott  wrote:
> 
> Hello all. I have an iMac late 2009 with Eue Site camera.
> 
> When using Google chrome it is constantly going to "chrome busy" and I have 
> to force quit the app.
> 
> I have uninstalled and reinstalled the app but the same thing keeps 
> happening. I have not yet installed the ChromeVox extension.
> 
> Any ideas as to how to correct this problem?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Barry
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Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)

Were you able to feel the bubbles? Interesting. I wonder why as it fits over 
the glass of the phone. Well, I guess I will find out. LOL. It will not matter 
to me unless it bubbles under my fingers, but it could drive a VI or sighted 
person to drink I imagine. 
On Sep 28, 2015, at 12:46 PM, george b  wrote:

The the glass screen protector at your carrier’s store and they will put it on 
for you.
Note;  I had one and my brother also and they both got bubbles under them so we 
took them off.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 09:45
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)

 Whether you need optical image stabilization is dependent on whether you use 
the camera to take pictures. If you do, it may help. If you don't, and that 
includes even if you do OCR, it's not worth it. It will not matter. Go with 
what feels better in your hand, because if you get something it's too big, you 
will be nothing but frustrated. That is just my opinion of course. Where did 
you get the gorilla glass screen protector?
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 28, 2015, at 9:40 AM, Regina Alvarado  wrote:

What is optical image stabilization? Sounds like nothing I would need, and I 
like the smaller feel of the 6s. Just curious to know if this is necessary. By 
your post, it sounds like it costs more too. Oh, I was able to get a screen 
protector with gorilla glass. What a difference to the touch and movement of 
the fingers. Is this the first year these protectors have been out? Again, 
curious. 

reggie & Lex

On Sep 28, 2015, at 12:28 PM, Robin  wrote:

I think they (they being Apple) should ComeOut with a couple of iPhones with 
TheSameSpecs with the exception of TheirSize

If Apple had an iPhone6S, which had all of the features of the iPhone6S+ ... 
I'm specifically Referrin'To the Optical Image Stablization, which is 
exclusively only on the iPhone6S+

Samsung offers Optical Image Stablization on both its GalaxyS6 & GalaxyS6Edge 
as well as its GalaxyS6Edge+  so the only Real Difference is TheirSize

What a Concept

In my opinion, Apple is requiring its customers ToPurchase the LargerDevice if 
they desire that feature, which is about $100 More

JustSaying
At 08:14 AM 9/28/2015, you wrote:

Anders,
I agree with you about phone size. I really would like to have something the 
same size as the 5S. The fourss, or the iPod touch, which is the same 
dimensions I think as far as width and height are concerned, are OK too. But I 
wish they would do something for those of us with smaller hands. Oh well. There 
was a rumor that said they were going to come out with a new one that was the 
same size as the 5S. But so far, as you know that has not happened. Plus, if 
they do, it probably won't have all of the same features as the larger phones.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:07 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Well, i might say something stupid now but this is my own personal preference 
> so donâ€™t be angry.
> To me i really whish that if the iphone could be as small as the ipod touch 
> then iâ€™d be as happy as can be.
> Ofcourse this will make braille writing nearly impossible but i never use 
> that so i donâ€™t care much about it.
> We donâ€™t have grade 2 in swedish anymore and we donâ€™t learn it for 
> english either so thats one of the reasons i donâ€™t use braille keyboards.
> /A
>> 27 sep. 2015 kl. 14:03 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu :
>> 
>> I like the plus size  as Alex says if he needs to use the braille keyboard 
>> then there is more room to spread your fingers.  Partially sighted people 
>> say to me that they can read the screen better.  As I have no sight, I can't 
>> say yes or no.
>> 
>> I got tired of the 5S as the design hadn't really changed and I had started 
>> with the 4 so was looking for something different.  No doubt Apple will not 
>> be changing the design of their phones as I don't know what they can do to 
>> change them.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> On 26 Sep 2015, at 21:15, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't yet have one, but in preparation for upgrading, I wanted to see how 
>> the Plus would fit into my life. I have a cardboard cutout of a Plus, with 
>> some popsicle sticks taped to the back to give it structure. I carried it 
>> for a day, then attached my iPhone 5 to it for the next day. Both days, I 
>> was amazed to find that the cardboard Plus felt large in my hand, but small 
>> in my pocket. It's very thin and light, and is longer and narrower than you 
>> might imagine. Not being a more boxy shape lets it rest in my pocket better, 
>> and I had no problems with it the two days I tested it with my model. While 
>> not an actual phone, this gave me confidence that the Plus will be just

MODERATOR NOTE and REQUEST: other mac accessibility mailing list?

2015-09-28 Thread M. Taylor

Hello Everyone,

I hope you are all doing well.

First, let me mention that, as I hate to hijack a thread, I will post the
following comments in a separate thread, as well as this one.

Second, both Cara and I always appreciate any feedback on list policies as
it is necessary to revisit such subjects from time-to-time.  

Third, I want you to know that, thanks to the elegance of the native Mac
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that your comments are being heard by the moderators and all of your
suggestions will be considered.  

Fourth, at this time, the general list policy, implemented on Wednesday,
September 16, 2015, in the thread entitled "MODERATOR NOTE:  General List
Discussion Policy Update", a few weeks back, stands.  That is to say, all
non-beta Apple-related discussions are welcomed on this list.

Fifth, I ask that this particular thread, discussing the scope of list
discussions, be closed.  I realize that, due to differences in time zones,
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Phil Halton
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 10:08 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: other mac accessibility mailing list?

Deidre, are you on the premium subscription to this list or are you on the
Freeside. All of us on the premium subscription get regular updates and
flyers from the administers about these things.

Sent from my IPhone

> On Sep 28, 2015, at 10:40 AM, deedra waters 
wrote:
> 
> i'm not going to debate staying current with you accept to say that i have
life on top of a mailing list with this kind of traffic you're crazy but
seriously i wish there was a better way of relaying a message like that on a
ml with this much traffic. Maybe put something in the footer of the message
or get it to mail out a mail that doesn't get cought by mailing programs so
they dont see the announcement and then have so much mail from said list
that they litterally dont notice the important things till they complain
about  the huge spike in ios traffic or something similar.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 6:40 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> Just recently, within the last few weeks, this question was answered by
the moderator Mark Taylor. This list is now and pretty much always has been
and "all things Apple" list. That includes the watch iOS operating system OS
X etc. it makes a good deal of sense as the entire Apple line of products
are all integrated and work seamlessly with each other. That is their
intent, and so this list takes questions regarding all things Apple. There
was a list devoted solely to the Mac OSx operating system, but that has gone
the way of the dinosaur. That's what happens when you don't stay current.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 7:47 AM, Nicolai Svendsen 
wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> 
>>> I would be curious of this as well. It does say that this list is the
home of the blind Mac user community, so that it has degenerated into a list
with so many topics regarding iOS is strange to me, especially since we have
moderators. The description doesn't reflect iOS anywhere, though, and if
both are allowed now the description should probably be changed. The name is
rather misleading, but clearly, posting iOS-related discussions is OK here.
>>> 
>>> Of course, that makes things a little confusing since this is
Macvisionaries after all.
>>> 
>>> Nicolai
>>> 
 On 9/28/2015 2:19 AM, deedra waters wrote:
 Is there another ml that's more mac related? it seems this list has
degenerated into an ios mailing list andand i would like one that provides
mac support only.

 BTW why do people send mail for a ios device to this list? I've deleted
some 1400 messages from this folder and a lot of it is ios related so if
anyone knows of one i would appreciate info on an ml for macs not ios.
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Re: Suggestions for a PDF program for a mac

2015-09-28 Thread Michael Babcock

could you clarify what your looking for?
Are you looking to make PDF files, or read PDF files?

Michael Babcock
Your Blind Digital Marketing Partner.
@payown on periscope and twitter.
http://yourownpay.com/ 





> On Sep 28, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Margaret Booth  wrote:
> 
> Can someone recommend an accessible PDF program for a mac using voice over. 
> 
> Margaret 
> 
> 
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Suggestions for a PDF program for a mac

2015-09-28 Thread Margaret Booth

Can someone recommend an accessible PDF program for a mac using voice over. 

Margaret 


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Re: other mac accessibility mailing list?

i’m not going to debate staying current with you accept to say that i have  
life on top of a mailing list with this kind of traffic you’re crazy but 
seriously i wish there was a better way of relaying a message like that on a ml 
with this much traffic. Maybe put something in the footer of the message or get 
it to mail out a mail that doesn’t get cought by mailing programs so they dont 
see the announcement and then have so much mail from said list that they 
litterally dont notice the important things till they complain about  the huge 
spike in ios traffic or something similar.


> On Sep 28, 2015, at 6:40 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> Just recently, within the last few weeks, this question was answered by the 
> moderator Mark Taylor. This list is now and pretty much always has been and 
> "all things Apple" list. That includes the watch iOS operating system OS X 
> etc. it makes a good deal of sense as the entire Apple line of products are 
> all integrated and work seamlessly with each other. That is their intent, and 
> so this list takes questions regarding all things Apple. There was a list 
> devoted solely to the Mac OSx operating system, but that has gone the way of 
> the dinosaur. That's what happens when you don't stay current.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 7:47 AM, Nicolai Svendsen  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> I would be curious of this as well. It does say that this list is the home 
>> of the blind Mac user community, so that it has degenerated into a list with 
>> so many topics regarding iOS is strange to me, especially since we have 
>> moderators. The description doesn't reflect iOS anywhere, though, and if 
>> both are allowed now the description should probably be changed. The name is 
>> rather misleading, but clearly, posting iOS-related discussions is OK here.
>> 
>> Of course, that makes things a little confusing since this is Macvisionaries 
>> after all.
>> 
>> Nicolai
>> 
>>> On 9/28/2015 2:19 AM, deedra waters wrote:
>>> Is there another ml that’s more mac related? it seems this list has 
>>> degenerated into an ios mailing list andand i would like one that provides 
>>> mac support only.
>>> 
>>> BTW why do people send mail for a ios device to this list? I’ve deleted 
>>> some 1400 messages from this folder and a lot of it is ios related so if 
>>> anyone knows of one i would appreciate info on an ml for macs not ios.
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Re: Installing Windows on Mac Question

2015-09-28 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu

There were certain 64-bit machines that couldn’t go to Yosemite because they 
could only run a 32-bit kernel and 32-bit EFI or had non-discrete GPUs that 
weren’t supported by 64-bit drivers.  Hence you could well be able to run 
64-bit Windows or another OS on a 2007 Mac, but not OS X.  Obsolescence like 
that is just the lay of the land where Macs are concerned, made worse by the 
new yearly, hardware-dependent release cycles for OS X, now much as with iOS.

You can still buy Lion or Mountain Lion.  You buy them from Apple’s archival 
inventory and get a download code that you can use on the MAS to fetch the 
installers.  You have to call up Apple to make this happen, or possibly only 
use the web store and not the Apple Store app.

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Re: other mac accessibility mailing list?

2015-09-28 Thread E.T.

   This thread would be considered off topic on many mailing lists, and 
rightly so.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 9/28/2015 8:50 AM, Todor Fassl wrote:

I am guessing you never moderated a list before, right?


There are 2 types of list moderators. Those who see it as their job to
help people solve problems and those who think it's their job to enforce
rules. You sound like that latter type.


What you will almost certainly end up with is a slightly less wide
ranging list with a very small clihe  of regular contributors. But maybe
that's what you want.


You're going to have like a dozen people answering each others very
specific questions. Once in a while, one of them will forget themselves
and ask an IOS question. They'll thinkeither forget or they'll think
they are so much a part of the in crowd that they can get away with it.
Then you'll have to smack them down and there will be a huge fight. This
pattern will repeat itself every 6 months or so.



The only alternative to being a tyrannical list moderator is to do what
the moderators of this list have done.  That does have it's drawbacks,
the primary one being the high traffic.


There is no perfect solution. Life is messy. Welcome to the planet earth.



On 09/28/2015 07:16 AM, deedra waters wrote:

wow , well that makes this list even harder to try and track since
it’s already overly high traffic. well if there’s no alternative I’ll
still see about hosting something mac specific or finding a place to
host one. i just dont have the time or the patience to wade through
all of the iphone topics just for the mac ones. perhapse people should
change the name of this list while they’re at it. I know i’m being on
the harsh side and i’m sorry but  this does make this list even harder
to follow.



On Sep 28, 2015, at 5:02 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

A few weeks back, people were asking about posting anything related
to Apple accessibility since so many products are so linked nowadays.
The reasoning was that--with iTunes syncing, Handoff, keyboard
commands on iOS, iCloud Drive documents, and so on--all Apple
products are so linked that it was too restrictive to refuse messages
about iOS/Apple TV/watchOS. The mods agreed, and thus the list's
topics expanded. I'm not saying this is good or bad, just telling you
why it happened.

On Sep 28, 2015, at 07:56, deedra waters 
wrote:

If there is no response to this question/there is no alternative ml
I will happily find a place to host one. Moderators this topic
really does not sit well with me because of the fact that this
appears to no longer be a mac list. after all this isn’t viphone.:P



On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:47 AM, Nicolai Svendsen
 wrote:

Hi!

I would be curious of this as well. It does say that this list is
the home of the blind Mac user community, so that it has
degenerated into a list with so many topics regarding iOS is
strange to me, especially since we have moderators. The description
doesn't reflect iOS anywhere, though, and if both are allowed now
the description should probably be changed. The name is rather
misleading, but clearly, posting iOS-related discussions is OK here.

Of course, that makes things a little confusing since this is
Macvisionaries after all.

Nicolai

On 9/28/2015 2:19 AM, deedra waters wrote:

Is there another ml that’s more mac related? it seems this list
has degenerated into an ios mailing list andand i would like one
that provides mac support only.

BTW why do people send mail for a ios device to this list? I’ve
deleted some 1400 messages from this folder and a lot of it is ios
related so if anyone knows of one i would appreciate info on an ml
for macs not ios.




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Touch ID and purchasing things in the Apple online stores

I am confused about the use of touch ID in places like the iBooks store, app 
store or iTunes store. I thought I was set up for that. But I just purchased an 
iBook. I hit the buy button and was prompted to sign in with my password. I put 
my finger on the home  button for touch ID, nothing happened. So I signed  in 
the usual way and the book was purchased. Now I don't have a problem signing 
in. I have been doing it for a long time. But I am confused as to how this 
touch ID thing is supposed to work. There must be some setting I am missing. Or 
I just don't understand its operation.
Mary

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Re: talking dashboard: the say ram script

2015-09-28 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries

from what I've read memory is very hard to measure in the new system.
Not only do you have the usual virtual memory/swap but there is also now
compressed memory so what's free and used is even more murky. About Tech
has a brief explainer on compressed memory:

http://macs.about.com/od/macoperatingsystems/fl/Understanding-Compressed-Memory-in-OS-X.htm

From terminal you can get a lot of stats by typing "vm_stat". You can
do a "man vm_stat" to get all the details on what those number mean.

On 9/28/15 8:26 AM, Alex Hall wrote:

Activity Monitor is a great app built into all Macs. Open it up, go to the
toolbar and then into the view group, and choose the memory button. Get out of
the toolbar and you can see not only a table of all your apps and how much
memory each uses, but stats on your memory as a whole.

On Sep 28, 2015, at 08:18, deedra waters wrote:

is there another way to see this info then? i could go the top route but unix
and top and memory flat out confuse me.

On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:59 AM, Alex Hall wrote:

That one has been broken since Yosemite. I meant to fix it, but other projects
kept coming up. Plus, from what I've read, ram is handled so differently in
Yosemite and onward that monitoring it isn't as important as it used to be.

On Sep 28, 2015, at 02:57, deedra waters wrote:

This script seems to not work i gave it a key in the keyboard commander but it
says nothing when i use that keystroke any thoughts?

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Re: other mac accessibility mailing list?

2015-09-28 Thread Todor Fassl

The real question is what works. Is there such a problem with people 
posting IOS questions that the list is harmed somehow? Too much traffic?


People aren't going to get that they can't ask IOS questions here. If 
you want to make a rule like that, it's going to be very difficult to 
enforce. And enforcing the rule itself will cause problems. It makes a 
lot of work forthe moderators, it makes for hard feelings, and frankly, 
it tends to turn moderators into tyrants. Plus for several weeks now, 
the amount of traffic on this list about the list itself has been a big 
problem.


My opinion is that people should learn to press the delete key. If a 
topic doesn't interest you, press the delete key.  Learn some patience. 
Learn some tolerance.






On 09/28/2015 06:47 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

Hi!

I would be curious of this as well. It does say that this list is the
home of the blind Mac user community, so that it has degenerated into a
list with so many topics regarding iOS is strange to me, especially
since we have moderators. The description doesn't reflect iOS anywhere,
though, and if both are allowed now the description should probably be
changed. The name is rather misleading, but clearly, posting iOS-related
discussions is OK here.

Of course, that makes things a little confusing since this is
Macvisionaries after all.

Nicolai

On 9/28/2015 2:19 AM, deedra waters wrote:

Is there another ml that’s more mac related? it seems this list has
degenerated into an ios mailing list andand i would like one that
provides mac support only.

BTW why do people send mail for a ios device to this list? I’ve
deleted some 1400 messages from this folder and a lot of it is ios
related so if anyone knows of one i would appreciate info on an ml for
macs not ios.






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Chrome Busy

2015-09-28 Thread Barry Abbott

Hello all. I have an iMac late 2009 with Eue Site camera.

When using Google chrome it is constantly going to "chrome busy" and I have to 
force quit the app.

I have uninstalled and reinstalled the app but the same thing keeps happening. 
I have not yet installed the ChromeVox extension.

Any ideas as to how to correct this problem?

Thanks.

Barry

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Re: other mac accessibility mailing list?

2015-09-28 Thread Todor Fassl


I am guessing you never moderated a list before, right?


There are 2 types of list moderators. Those who see it as their job to 
help people solve problems and those who think it's their job to enforce 
rules. You sound like that latter type.



What you will almost certainly end up with is a slightly less wide 
ranging list with a very small clihe  of regular contributors. But maybe 
that's what you want.



You're going to have like a dozen people answering each others very 
specific questions. Once in a while, one of them will forget themselves 
and ask an IOS question. They'll thinkeither forget or they'll think 
they are so much a part of the in crowd that they can get away with it. 
Then you'll have to smack them down and there will be a huge fight. This 
pattern will repeat itself every 6 months or so.




The only alternative to being a tyrannical list moderator is to do what 
the moderators of this list have done.  That does have it's drawbacks, 
the primary one being the high traffic.



There is no perfect solution. Life is messy. Welcome to the planet earth.



On 09/28/2015 07:16 AM, deedra waters wrote:

wow , well that makes this list even harder to try and track since it’s already 
overly high traffic. well if there’s no alternative I’ll still see about 
hosting something mac specific or finding a place to host one. i just dont have 
the time or the patience to wade through  all of the iphone topics just for the 
mac ones. perhapse people should change the name of this list while they’re at 
it. I know i’m being on the harsh side and i’m sorry but  this does make this 
list even harder to follow.



On Sep 28, 2015, at 5:02 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

A few weeks back, people were asking about posting anything related to Apple 
accessibility since so many products are so linked nowadays. The reasoning was 
that--with iTunes syncing, Handoff, keyboard commands on iOS, iCloud Drive 
documents, and so on--all Apple products are so linked that it was too 
restrictive to refuse messages about iOS/Apple TV/watchOS. The mods agreed, and 
thus the list's topics expanded. I'm not saying this is good or bad, just 
telling you why it happened.

On Sep 28, 2015, at 07:56, deedra waters  wrote:

If there is no response to this question/there is no alternative ml  I will 
happily find a place to host one. Moderators this topic really does not sit 
well with me because of the fact that this appears to no longer be a mac list. 
after all this isn’t viphone.:P



On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:47 AM, Nicolai Svendsen  wrote:

Hi!

I would be curious of this as well. It does say that this list is the home of 
the blind Mac user community, so that it has degenerated into a list with so 
many topics regarding iOS is strange to me, especially since we have 
moderators. The description doesn't reflect iOS anywhere, though, and if both 
are allowed now the description should probably be changed. The name is rather 
misleading, but clearly, posting iOS-related discussions is OK here.

Of course, that makes things a little confusing since this is Macvisionaries 
after all.

Nicolai

On 9/28/2015 2:19 AM, deedra waters wrote:

Is there another ml that’s more mac related? it seems this list has degenerated 
into an ios mailing list andand i would like one that provides mac support only.

BTW why do people send mail for a ios device to this list? I’ve deleted some 
1400 messages from this folder and a lot of it is ios related so if anyone 
knows of one i would appreciate info on an ml for macs not ios.




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Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)

2015-09-28 Thread Robin

I think they (they being Apple) should ComeOut 
with a couple of iPhones with 
TheSameSpecs with the exception of TheirSize


If Apple had an iPhone6S, which had all of the 
features of the iPhone6S+ ... I'm specifically 
Referrin'To the Optical Image Stablization, which 
is exclusively only on the iPhone6S+


Samsung offers Optical Image Stablization on both 
its GalaxyS6 & GalaxyS6Edge as well as its 
GalaxyS6Edge+  so the only Real Difference is TheirSize


What a Concept

In my opinion, Apple is requiring its customers 
ToPurchase the LargerDevice if they desire that 
feature, which is about $100 More


JustSaying
At 08:14 AM 9/28/2015, you wrote:

Anders,
I agree with you about phone size. I really 
would like to have something the same size as 
the 5S. The fourss, or the iPod touch, which is 
the same dimensions I think as far as width and 
height are concerned, are OK too. But I wish 
they would do something for those of us with 
smaller hands. Oh well. There was a rumor that 
said they were going to come out with a new one 
that was the same size as the 5S. But so far, as 
you know that has not happened. Plus, if they 
do, it probably won't have all of the same features as the larger phones.

Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:07 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>
> Hi!
> Well, i might say something stupid now but 
this is my own personal preference so donâ€™t be angry.
> To me i really whish that if the iphone could 
be as small as the ipod touch then iâ€™d be as happy as can be.
> Ofcourse this will make braille writing 
nearly impossible but i never use that so i donâ€™t care much about it.
> We donâ€™t have grade 2 in swedish anymore 
and we donâ€™t learn it for english either so 
thats one of the reasons i donâ€™t use braille keyboards.

> /A
>> 27 sep. 2015 kl. 14:03 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu :
>>
>> I like the plus size  as Alex says if he 
needs to use the braille keyboard then there is 
more room to spread your fingers.  Partially 
sighted people say to me that they can read the 
screen better.  As I have no sight, I can't say yes or no.

>>
>> I got tired of the 5S as the design hadn't 
really changed and I had started with the 4 so 
was looking for something different.  No doubt 
Apple will not be changing the design of their 
phones as I don't know what they can do to change them.

>>
>> Kawal.
>> On 26 Sep 2015, at 21:15, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>
>> I don't yet have one, but in preparation for 
upgrading, I wanted to see how the Plus would 
fit into my life. I have a cardboard cutout of 
a Plus, with some popsicle sticks taped to the 
back to give it structure. I carried it for a 
day, then attached my iPhone 5 to it for the 
next day. Both days, I was amazed to find that 
the cardboard Plus felt large in my hand, but 
small in my pocket. It's very thin and light, 
and is longer and narrower than you might 
imagine. Not being a more boxy shape lets it 
rest in my pocket better, and I had no problems 
with it the two days I tested it with my model. 
While not an actual phone, this gave me 
confidence that the Plus will be just fine, 
which is good as it's the one I was leaning 
towards. The better battery life, larger 
braille input area, landscape mode for apps, 
and image stabilization are all things I'm looking forward to.

>>
>> You can easily print out the same template I 
used, and carry around a cardboard version of a 
Plus, to see how it'll work for you. Yes, it 
might require minor adjustments in position or 
grip, but there are definite advantages and I 
encourage you to consider the change to a Plus 
as just that: a change, rather than looking for 
something the same size as the 5S but with 
better internals. Of course, if the plusses 
don't outweigh the minuses for you, there's 
nothing wrong with the 6S, that's why Apple 
makes both sizes. Give the Plus a shot though; 
you might be pleasantly surprised.

>>> On Sep 26, 2015, at 15:15, Grant  wrote:
>>>
>>> Whether something is too big or not is 
obviously subjective, but I do wonder how the 
size of the 6Plus and 6S Plus phones makes a 
difference in every day usage for VoiceOver 
users. On the plus side, perhaps for folks who 
use Braille screen input, the larger screen 
real estate you have to work with might make 
typing easier. On the other hand, are folks 
finding the phones easy to carry when out and 
about? Do they fit comfortably in your pockets? 
I use my iPhone 5S on my commutes and often I 
donâ€™t even need to take it out of my pocket 
to use the touch screen. I have a transit 
widget that I check to monitor bus departure 
times, and I use apps like BlindSquare and 
Google Maps as well. And of course, I can 
listen to music or audiobooks while commuting, 
too. If I couldnâ€™t carry the phone in my 
pocket and had to carry it in a backpack or 
briefcase, that would be quite a bit less 
convenient for me. How do you folks

Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)

Anders,
I agree with you about phone size. I really would like to have something the 
same size as the 5S. The fourss, or the iPod touch, which is the same 
dimensions I think as far as width and height are concerned, are OK too. But I 
wish they would do something for those of us with smaller hands. Oh well. There 
was a rumor that said they were going to come out with a new one that was the 
same size as the 5S. But so far, as you know that has not happened. Plus, if 
they do, it probably won't have all of the same features as the larger phones.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:07 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Well, i might say something stupid now but this is my own personal preference 
> so don’t be angry.
> To me i really whish that if the iphone could be as small as the ipod touch 
> then i’d be as happy as can be.
> Ofcourse this will make braille writing nearly impossible but i never use 
> that so i don’t care much about it.
> We don’t have grade 2 in swedish anymore and we don’t learn it for english 
> either so thats one of the reasons i don’t use braille keyboards.
> /A
>> 27 sep. 2015 kl. 14:03 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu :
>> 
>> I like the plus size  as Alex says if he needs to use the braille keyboard 
>> then there is more room to spread your fingers.  Partially sighted people 
>> say to me that they can read the screen better.  As I have no sight, I can't 
>> say yes or no.
>> 
>> I got tired of the 5S as the design hadn't really changed and I had started 
>> with the 4 so was looking for something different.  No doubt Apple will not 
>> be changing the design of their phones as I don't know what they can do to 
>> change them.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> On 26 Sep 2015, at 21:15, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't yet have one, but in preparation for upgrading, I wanted to see how 
>> the Plus would fit into my life. I have a cardboard cutout of a Plus, with 
>> some popsicle sticks taped to the back to give it structure. I carried it 
>> for a day, then attached my iPhone 5 to it for the next day. Both days, I 
>> was amazed to find that the cardboard Plus felt large in my hand, but small 
>> in my pocket. It's very thin and light, and is longer and narrower than you 
>> might imagine. Not being a more boxy shape lets it rest in my pocket better, 
>> and I had no problems with it the two days I tested it with my model. While 
>> not an actual phone, this gave me confidence that the Plus will be just 
>> fine, which is good as it's the one I was leaning towards. The better 
>> battery life, larger braille input area, landscape mode for apps, and image 
>> stabilization are all things I'm looking forward to.
>> 
>> You can easily print out the same template I used, and carry around a 
>> cardboard version of a Plus, to see how it'll work for you. Yes, it might 
>> require minor adjustments in position or grip, but there are definite 
>> advantages and I encourage you to consider the change to a Plus as just 
>> that: a change, rather than looking for something the same size as the 5S 
>> but with better internals. Of course, if the plusses don't outweigh the 
>> minuses for you, there's nothing wrong with the 6S, that's why Apple makes 
>> both sizes. Give the Plus a shot though; you might be pleasantly surprised.
>>> On Sep 26, 2015, at 15:15, Grant  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Whether something is too big or not is obviously subjective, but I do 
>>> wonder how the size of the 6Plus and 6S Plus phones makes a difference in 
>>> every day usage for VoiceOver users. On the plus side, perhaps for folks 
>>> who use Braille screen input, the larger screen real estate you have to 
>>> work with might make typing easier. On the other hand, are folks finding 
>>> the phones easy to carry when out and about? Do they fit comfortably in 
>>> your pockets? I use my iPhone 5S on my commutes and often I don’t even need 
>>> to take it out of my pocket to use the touch screen. I have a transit 
>>> widget that I check to monitor bus departure times, and I use apps like 
>>> BlindSquare and Google Maps as well. And of course, I can listen to music 
>>> or audiobooks while commuting, too. If I couldn’t carry the phone in my 
>>> pocket and had to carry it in a backpack or briefcase, that would be quite 
>>> a bit less convenient for me. How do you folks feel about this—for those 
>>> who’ve used the larger phones for a year now, do you eventually adjust to 
>>> the larger screen size?
>>> 
>>> Grant
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RE: other mac accessibility mailing list?

I seem to recall this same thread was asked to end a couple of weeks ago from 
mark and he did it very politely

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On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 08:59
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: other mac accessibility mailing list?

This thread would be considered off topic on many mailing lists, and 
rightly so.

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Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 9/28/2015 8:50 AM, Todor Fassl wrote:
> I am guessing you never moderated a list before, right?
>
>
> There are 2 types of list moderators. Those who see it as their job to 
> help people solve problems and those who think it's their job to 
> enforce rules. You sound like that latter type.
>
>
> What you will almost certainly end up with is a slightly less wide 
> ranging list with a very small clihe  of regular contributors. But 
> maybe that's what you want.
>
>
> You're going to have like a dozen people answering each others very 
> specific questions. Once in a while, one of them will forget 
> themselves and ask an IOS question. They'll thinkeither forget or 
> they'll think they are so much a part of the in crowd that they can get away 
> with it.
> Then you'll have to smack them down and there will be a huge fight. 
> This pattern will repeat itself every 6 months or so.
>
>
>
> The only alternative to being a tyrannical list moderator is to do 
> what the moderators of this list have done.  That does have it's 
> drawbacks, the primary one being the high traffic.
>
>
> There is no perfect solution. Life is messy. Welcome to the planet earth.
>
>
>
> On 09/28/2015 07:16 AM, deedra waters wrote:
>> wow , well that makes this list even harder to try and track since 
>> it’s already overly high traffic. well if there’s no alternative I’ll 
>> still see about hosting something mac specific or finding a place to 
>> host one. i just dont have the time or the patience to wade through 
>> all of the iphone topics just for the mac ones. perhapse people 
>> should change the name of this list while they’re at it. I know i’m 
>> being on the harsh side and i’m sorry but  this does make this list 
>> even harder to follow.
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 5:02 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>>
>>> A few weeks back, people were asking about posting anything related 
>>> to Apple accessibility since so many products are so linked nowadays.
>>> The reasoning was that--with iTunes syncing, Handoff, keyboard 
>>> commands on iOS, iCloud Drive documents, and so on--all Apple 
>>> products are so linked that it was too restrictive to refuse 
>>> messages about iOS/Apple TV/watchOS. The mods agreed, and thus the 
>>> list's topics expanded. I'm not saying this is good or bad, just 
>>> telling you why it happened.
 On Sep 28, 2015, at 07:56, deedra waters 
 wrote:

 If there is no response to this question/there is no alternative ml 
 I will happily find a place to host one. Moderators this topic 
 really does not sit well with me because of the fact that this 
 appears to no longer be a mac list. after all this isn’t viphone.:P


> On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:47 AM, Nicolai Svendsen 
>  wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> I would be curious of this as well. It does say that this list is 
> the home of the blind Mac user community, so that it has 
> degenerated into a list with so many topics regarding iOS is 
> strange to me, especially since we have moderators. The 
> description doesn't reflect iOS anywhere, though, and if both are 
> allowed now the description should probably be changed. The name 
> is rather misleading, but clearly, posting iOS-related discussions is OK 
> here.
>
> Of course, that makes things a little confusing since this is 
> Macvisionaries after all.
>
> Nicolai
>
> On 9/28/2015 2:19 AM, deedra waters wrote:
>> Is there another ml that’s more mac related? it seems this list 
>> has degenerated into an ios mailing list andand i would like one 
>> that provides mac support only.
>>
>> BTW why do people send mail for a ios device to this list? I’ve 
>> deleted some 1400 messages from this folder and a lot of it is 
>> ios related so if anyone knows of one i would appreciate info on 
>> an ml for macs not ios.
>>
>>
>
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Re: accessible blogging software for mac

2015-09-28 Thread Sarai Bucciarelli

I love Marsedit!
> On Sep 27, 2015, at 9:14 PM, Singing Sparrow  wrote:
> 
> what accessible blogging software packages are out there for the mac?
> 
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Re: other mac accessibility mailing list?

2015-09-28 Thread Nicolai Svendsen


Hi!

Thanks for the clarification those in the know. It does make sense, but 
my point still stands. Since there is no policy document sent to you, or 
located anywhere as far as I can see, the description should still be 
changed to reflect that this is a list on which all Apple products can 
be discussed. Otherwise, it's just going to be confusing for those 
joining the list, since searching to find the thread is pure hell, and 
that's if you actually know about the change.


It's fine that it's all become a list for all the products now, since 
they are so closely merged at this point, but the description hasn't 
even been changed to make new users aware of this. That just seems very 
sloppy to me, seeing as you can change both name and description for 
Google Groups. It doesn't really matter if the name stays the same, as 
long as the description takes into account the merging between products.


That's my only concern.

Nicolai

On 9/28/2015 9:40 AM, Phil Halton wrote:

Just recently, within the last few weeks, this question was answered by the moderator 
Mark Taylor. This list is now and pretty much always has been and "all things 
Apple" list. That includes the watch iOS operating system OS X etc. it makes a good 
deal of sense as the entire Apple line of products are all integrated and work seamlessly 
with each other. That is their intent, and so this list takes questions regarding all 
things Apple. There was a list devoted solely to the Mac OSx operating system, but that 
has gone the way of the dinosaur. That's what happens when you don't stay current.

Sent from my IPhone



On Sep 28, 2015, at 7:47 AM, Nicolai Svendsen  wrote:

Hi!

I would be curious of this as well. It does say that this list is the home of 
the blind Mac user community, so that it has degenerated into a list with so 
many topics regarding iOS is strange to me, especially since we have 
moderators. The description doesn't reflect iOS anywhere, though, and if both 
are allowed now the description should probably be changed. The name is rather 
misleading, but clearly, posting iOS-related discussions is OK here.

Of course, that makes things a little confusing since this is Macvisionaries 
after all.

Nicolai


On 9/28/2015 2:19 AM, deedra waters wrote:
Is there another ml that’s more mac related? it seems this list has degenerated 
into an ios mailing list andand i would like one that provides mac support only.

BTW why do people send mail for a ios device to this list? I’ve deleted some 
1400 messages from this folder and a lot of it is ios related so if anyone 
knows of one i would appreciate info on an ml for macs not ios.

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Re: Installing Windows on Mac Question

2015-09-28 Thread eileen . misrahi

In order to upgrade to Yosemite, one needs to have Snow Lepard 10.6.8 
installed. If Snow Lepard is installed, but not running the most recent build 
of it, one will need to install 10.6.8 before upgrading to Yosemite. HTH. 

Eileen 

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> On Sep 27, 2015, at 9:46 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> No, anyone with a 2007 Mac or later can jump from Snow Leopard to Yosemite. I 
> think that'll be true once El Capitan gets released this Wednesday.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
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> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>>> On Sep 27, 2015, at 5:46 PM, Brent Harding  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I thought I read that if it was somewhat newer than that even that you 
>>> couldn't go beyond Lion or Mountain Lion, and if one doesn't have those in 
>>> your purchase list, those machines get stuck at what they came with. I'm 
>>> not sure how true that is though.
>>>  
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 2:45 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Installing Windows on Mac Question
>>> 
>>> Hi. You won't have any problems installing on your Mac. I used to have 
>>> Bootcamp but now I've switched back to VMWare Fusion which is all I need 
>>> but that's personal preference. I apologize in advance for going off topic 
>>> a bit, but how old is the MacBook you are using? If it's 2007 or above, you 
>>> can update to the latest version of OS X which is Yosemite and even update 
>>> to El Capitan when it comes out. To find out the year of the Mac, open the 
>>> menu bar with VO+M and go down until you hear about this Mac. Enter on that 
>>> and you should see all the info about the Mac.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
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>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On Sep 26, 2015, at 9:50 PM, Mauricio Molina  
 wrote:

 Hello all, 
 Before I ask my question, I want to provide the following information: I 
 have been a Windows user for quite some time and would like to continue to 
 do so. I have also recently taken up the Mac and have been fortunate 
 enough to have an older MacBook Pro given to me while I learn this 
 operating system. Unfortunately, it is my understanding that the older 
 MacBook Pro at my disposal cannot be updated beyond OSX 10.6. On the 
 Windows side my preferred screen reader is JAWS but I also have NVDA and 
 Window-Eyes installed. I would like to add right here that I really do not 
 want to make this a Mac versus PC conversation; as a blind computer I am 
 grateful that I have access to both. 
 Question
 I was considering acquiring both a new Windows 10 laptop as well as a new 
 MacBook Pro. But since I am not independently wealthy, I wondered if it 
 would not be more cost effective purchasing only the MacBook Pro and then 
 installing Windows on that system. I would like to know how well Windows 
 runs on the Mac and get an idea of the difficulty of actually 
 accomplishing this feat. Additionally, are there any recommended specs, 
 such as the amount of RAM or preferred processor, for this type of setup? 
 I am fairly competent with a Windows PC but still consider myself a novice 
 on the Mac; either may or may not be of help during the process of 
 installing Windows on a Mac. Any suggestions and/or recommendations would 
 be greatly appreciated. 
 Thanks, 
 Mauricio

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talking dashboard: the say ram script

This script seems to not work i gave it a key in the keyboard commander but it 
says nothing when i  use that keystroke any thoughts?


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Re: other mac accessibility mailing list?

2015-09-28 Thread Anita

I second that.
- Original Message - 
From: "deedra waters" 

To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 2:19 AM
Subject: other mac accessibility mailing list?

Is there another ml that’s more mac related? it seems this list has 
degenerated into an ios mailing list andand i would like one that provides 
mac support only.

BTW why do people send mail for a ios device to this list? I’ve deleted some 
1400 messages from this folder and a lot of it is ios related so if anyone 
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other mac accessibility mailing list?

Is there another ml that’s more mac related? it seems this list has degenerated 
into an ios mailing list andand i would like one that provides mac support only.

BTW why do people send mail for a ios device to this list? I’ve deleted some 
1400 messages from this folder and a lot of it is ios related so if anyone 
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Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)

Hi!
Well, i might say something stupid now but this is my own personal preference 
so don’t be angry.
To me i really whish that if the iphone could be as small as the ipod touch 
then i’d be as happy as can be.
Ofcourse this will make braille writing nearly impossible but i never use that 
so i don’t care much about it.
We don’t have grade 2 in swedish anymore and we don’t learn it for english 
either so thats one of the reasons i don’t use braille keyboards.
/A
> 27 sep. 2015 kl. 14:03 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu :
> 
> I like the plus size  as Alex says if he needs to use the braille keyboard 
> then there is more room to spread your fingers.  Partially sighted people say 
> to me that they can read the screen better.  As I have no sight, I can't say 
> yes or no.
> 
> I got tired of the 5S as the design hadn't really changed and I had started 
> with the 4 so was looking for something different.  No doubt Apple will not 
> be changing the design of their phones as I don't know what they can do to 
> change them.
> 
> Kawal.
> On 26 Sep 2015, at 21:15, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> I don't yet have one, but in preparation for upgrading, I wanted to see how 
> the Plus would fit into my life. I have a cardboard cutout of a Plus, with 
> some popsicle sticks taped to the back to give it structure. I carried it for 
> a day, then attached my iPhone 5 to it for the next day. Both days, I was 
> amazed to find that the cardboard Plus felt large in my hand, but small in my 
> pocket. It's very thin and light, and is longer and narrower than you might 
> imagine. Not being a more boxy shape lets it rest in my pocket better, and I 
> had no problems with it the two days I tested it with my model. While not an 
> actual phone, this gave me confidence that the Plus will be just fine, which 
> is good as it's the one I was leaning towards. The better battery life, 
> larger braille input area, landscape mode for apps, and image stabilization 
> are all things I'm looking forward to.
> 
> You can easily print out the same template I used, and carry around a 
> cardboard version of a Plus, to see how it'll work for you. Yes, it might 
> require minor adjustments in position or grip, but there are definite 
> advantages and I encourage you to consider the change to a Plus as just that: 
> a change, rather than looking for something the same size as the 5S but with 
> better internals. Of course, if the plusses don't outweigh the minuses for 
> you, there's nothing wrong with the 6S, that's why Apple makes both sizes. 
> Give the Plus a shot though; you might be pleasantly surprised.
>> On Sep 26, 2015, at 15:15, Grant  wrote:
>> 
>> Whether something is too big or not is obviously subjective, but I do wonder 
>> how the size of the 6Plus and 6S Plus phones makes a difference in every day 
>> usage for VoiceOver users. On the plus side, perhaps for folks who use 
>> Braille screen input, the larger screen real estate you have to work with 
>> might make typing easier. On the other hand, are folks finding the phones 
>> easy to carry when out and about? Do they fit comfortably in your pockets? I 
>> use my iPhone 5S on my commutes and often I don’t even need to take it out 
>> of my pocket to use the touch screen. I have a transit widget that I check 
>> to monitor bus departure times, and I use apps like BlindSquare and Google 
>> Maps as well. And of course, I can listen to music or audiobooks while 
>> commuting, too. If I couldn’t carry the phone in my pocket and had to carry 
>> it in a backpack or briefcase, that would be quite a bit less convenient for 
>> me. How do you folks feel about this—for those who’ve used the larger phones 
>> for a year now, do you eventually adjust to the larger screen size?
>> 
>> Grant
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Re: other mac accessibility mailing list?

2015-09-28 Thread 'Margaret Ricciardi' via MacVisionaries

wow , well that makes this list even harder to try and track since it’s already 
overly high traffic. well if there’s no alternative I’ll still see about 
hosting something mac specific or finding a place to host one. i just dont have 
the time or the patience to wade through  all of the iphone topics just for the 
mac ones. perhapse people should change the name of this list while they’re at 
it. I know i’m being on the harsh side and i’m sorry but  this does make this 
list even harder to follow.


> On Sep 28, 2015, at 5:02 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> A few weeks back, people were asking about posting anything related to Apple 
> accessibility since so many products are so linked nowadays. The reasoning 
> was that--with iTunes syncing, Handoff, keyboard commands on iOS, iCloud 
> Drive documents, and so on--all Apple products are so linked that it was too 
> restrictive to refuse messages about iOS/Apple TV/watchOS. The mods agreed, 
> and thus the list's topics expanded. I'm not saying this is good or bad, just 
> telling you why it happened.
>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 07:56, deedra waters  wrote:
>> 
>> If there is no response to this question/there is no alternative ml  I will 
>> happily find a place to host one. Moderators this topic really does not sit 
>> well with me because of the fact that this appears to no longer be a mac 
>> list. after all this isn’t viphone.:P
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:47 AM, Nicolai Svendsen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> 
>>> I would be curious of this as well. It does say that this list is the home 
>>> of the blind Mac user community, so that it has degenerated into a list 
>>> with so many topics regarding iOS is strange to me, especially since we 
>>> have moderators. The description doesn't reflect iOS anywhere, though, and 
>>> if both are allowed now the description should probably be changed. The 
>>> name is rather misleading, but clearly, posting iOS-related discussions is 
>>> OK here.
>>> 
>>> Of course, that makes things a little confusing since this is 
>>> Macvisionaries after all.
>>> 
>>> Nicolai
>>> 
>>> On 9/28/2015 2:19 AM, deedra waters wrote:
 Is there another ml that’s more mac related? it seems this list has 
 degenerated into an ios mailing list andand i would like one that provides 
 mac support only.
 
 BTW why do people send mail for a ios device to this list? I’ve deleted 
 some 1400 messages from this folder and a lot of it is ios related so if 
 anyone knows of one i would appreciate info on an ml for macs not ios.
 
 
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PDF files

I have a PDF image file on my Mac that I am unable to read, is there a way to 
convert it to something else or is there a way to read it as is?
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Re: other mac accessibility mailing list?

2015-09-28 Thread Nicolai Svendsen


Hi!

I would be curious of this as well. It does say that this list is the 
home of the blind Mac user community, so that it has degenerated into a 
list with so many topics regarding iOS is strange to me, especially 
since we have moderators. The description doesn't reflect iOS anywhere, 
though, and if both are allowed now the description should probably be 
changed. The name is rather misleading, but clearly, posting iOS-related 
discussions is OK here.


Of course, that makes things a little confusing since this is 
Macvisionaries after all.


Nicolai

On 9/28/2015 2:19 AM, deedra waters wrote:

Is there another ml that’s more mac related? it seems this list has degenerated 
into an ios mailing list andand i would like one that provides mac support only.

BTW why do people send mail for a ios device to this list? I’ve deleted some 
1400 messages from this folder and a lot of it is ios related so if anyone 
knows of one i would appreciate info on an ml for macs not ios.




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Re: other mac accessibility mailing list?

If there is no response to this question/there is no alternative ml  I will 
happily find a place to host one. Moderators this topic really does not sit 
well with me because of the fact that this appears to no longer be a mac list. 
after all this isn’t viphone.:P


> On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:47 AM, Nicolai Svendsen  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> I would be curious of this as well. It does say that this list is the home of 
> the blind Mac user community, so that it has degenerated into a list with so 
> many topics regarding iOS is strange to me, especially since we have 
> moderators. The description doesn't reflect iOS anywhere, though, and if both 
> are allowed now the description should probably be changed. The name is 
> rather misleading, but clearly, posting iOS-related discussions is OK here.
> 
> Of course, that makes things a little confusing since this is Macvisionaries 
> after all.
> 
> Nicolai
> 
> On 9/28/2015 2:19 AM, deedra waters wrote:
>> Is there another ml that’s more mac related? it seems this list has 
>> degenerated into an ios mailing list andand i would like one that provides 
>> mac support only.
>> 
>> BTW why do people send mail for a ios device to this list? I’ve deleted some 
>> 1400 messages from this folder and a lot of it is ios related so if anyone 
>> knows of one i would appreciate info on an ml for macs not ios.
>> 
>> 
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Re: talking dashboard: the say ram script

That one has been broken since Yosemite. I meant to fix it, but other projects 
kept coming up. Plus, from what I've read, ram is handled so differently in 
Yosemite and onward that monitoring it isn't as important as it used to be.
> On Sep 28, 2015, at 02:57, deedra waters  wrote:
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> This script seems to not work i gave it a key in the keyboard commander but 
> it says nothing when i  use that keystroke any thoughts?
> 
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Re: other mac accessibility mailing list?

A few weeks back, people were asking about posting anything related to Apple 
accessibility since so many products are so linked nowadays. The reasoning was 
that--with iTunes syncing, Handoff, keyboard commands on iOS, iCloud Drive 
documents, and so on--all Apple products are so linked that it was too 
restrictive to refuse messages about iOS/Apple TV/watchOS. The mods agreed, and 
thus the list's topics expanded. I'm not saying this is good or bad, just 
telling you why it happened.
> On Sep 28, 2015, at 07:56, deedra waters  wrote:
> 
> If there is no response to this question/there is no alternative ml  I will 
> happily find a place to host one. Moderators this topic really does not sit 
> well with me because of the fact that this appears to no longer be a mac 
> list. after all this isn’t viphone.:P
> 
> 
>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:47 AM, Nicolai Svendsen  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> I would be curious of this as well. It does say that this list is the home 
>> of the blind Mac user community, so that it has degenerated into a list with 
>> so many topics regarding iOS is strange to me, especially since we have 
>> moderators. The description doesn't reflect iOS anywhere, though, and if 
>> both are allowed now the description should probably be changed. The name is 
>> rather misleading, but clearly, posting iOS-related discussions is OK here.
>> 
>> Of course, that makes things a little confusing since this is Macvisionaries 
>> after all.
>> 
>> Nicolai
>> 
>> On 9/28/2015 2:19 AM, deedra waters wrote:
>>> Is there another ml that’s more mac related? it seems this list has 
>>> degenerated into an ios mailing list andand i would like one that provides 
>>> mac support only.
>>> 
>>> BTW why do people send mail for a ios device to this list? I’ve deleted 
>>> some 1400 messages from this folder and a lot of it is ios related so if 
>>> anyone knows of one i would appreciate info on an ml for macs not ios.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: talking dashboard: the say ram script

is there another way to see this info then? i could go the top route but  unix 
and top and memory flat out confuse me.
> On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:59 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
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> That one has been broken since Yosemite. I meant to fix it, but other 
> projects kept coming up. Plus, from what I've read, ram is handled so 
> differently in Yosemite and onward that monitoring it isn't as important as 
> it used to be.
>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 02:57, deedra waters  wrote:
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>> This script seems to not work i gave it a key in the keyboard commander but 
>> it says nothing when i  use that keystroke any thoughts?
>> 
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Re: PDF files

2015-09-28 Thread Matthew Dierckens

Hi,
If you have an iPhone and dropbox, you can get the KNB reader app and it will 
convert that image PDF into text.
Or, if you’d like to send it to me, unless it’s confidential information i can 
convert it into text for you.

God bless.
Matthew Dierckens
Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
Macintosh, Windows and IOS  Trainer
U.S. number: 573-401-1018
Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com

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> I have a PDF image file on my Mac that I am unable to read, is there a way to 
> convert it to something else or is there a way to read it as is?
> Peggy & Dixie Marie   
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spotify accessibility and some questions.

so i saw on applevis when i went looking for spotify advice/answers that a 
developer of some sort had given a very very very brief summary of how to get 
spotify working with accessibility. i’m going to write up here what i did to 
get it to work right for me and some of what i noticed. I’m hoping someone more 
talented then me can help me figure out some answers to things i can’t figure 
out. note that some of my problems here are lack of the more finer points of 
voiceover combine with the evilness of not being able to figure out all of the 
keystrokes the spotify app has.

The article on applevis has a little script that they say will make spotify 
launch. I would and hope that there is a way to set this to launch with 
accessibility on startup. Maybe someone knows how to get this to happen? also 
maybe someone knows of keystrokes with this app i’d appreciate the info. below 
is my  little 1-liner since i’m largely a command line user, i kind of….well 
it’s probably ugly but it works…

—begin script——

#!/bin/bash
/Applications/Spotify.app//Contents/MacOS/Spotify —args 
—force-renderer-accessibility  > /dev/null2&1

—end—code—

The above script causes spotify to start with the accessibility stuff but it’s 
very very ugly. However with some keyboard commands it could be much easier to 
handle. I know that the author of the article on applevis gave some basic 
keystrokes to handle search stuff but here’s what i’d like to see. for one i’d 
like to see the roter (vo+u) work with this I dont know what it would take to 
make this happen or even who i’d need to contact to make it work. It does 
however seem that with the latest spotify release things are working a bit 
smoother. for 2 i’d like a way to jump from frame to frame so that i could see 
what is in what frame actually thinking on this that seems to be the biggest 
problem for me. 

I would be very very happy if someone knows a way to add things to playlists i 
can’t figure this one out. I also dont know how to add things to the queue play 
the queue or get spotify to add certain things so that  i can have stuff that’s 
stored locally such as the local files section of the monster of an html 
document.:)

If anyone can help with these things i’d be greatful. It’s a rough thing for 
someone to get used to, but it’s liveable and with some keystrokes and info it 
would go easier.


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Re: talking dashboard: the say ram script

Activity Monitor is a great app built into all Macs. Open it up, go to the 
toolbar and then into the view group, and choose the memory button. Get out of 
the toolbar and you can see not only a table of all your apps and how much 
memory each uses, but stats on your memory as a whole.
> On Sep 28, 2015, at 08:18, deedra waters  wrote:
> 
> is there another way to see this info then? i could go the top route but  
> unix and top and memory flat out confuse me.
>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:59 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> That one has been broken since Yosemite. I meant to fix it, but other 
>> projects kept coming up. Plus, from what I've read, ram is handled so 
>> differently in Yosemite and onward that monitoring it isn't as important as 
>> it used to be.
>>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 02:57, deedra waters  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This script seems to not work i gave it a key in the keyboard commander but 
>>> it says nothing when i  use that keystroke any thoughts?
>>> 
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Re: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s

Hi!
Yes its in the eu.
Well i might try it later to day.
/A
> 27 sep. 2015 kl. 13:55 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu :
> 
> You could call the UK online store as they say they serve Europe as they are 
> based in Ireland Cork.  We have to call that store if we want to order 
> online.  I think Sweden  is in the EU? 
> On 26 Sep 2015, at 23:29, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> No i don’t know anything about it.
> I wonder if one could order from the uk and get it to sweden?
> /A
>> 26 sep. 2015 kl. 20:34 skrev Krister Ekstrom :
>> 
>> Hi Anders,
>> Have you heard anything about when the iPhone 6S and 6S+ will be available 
>> here in Sweden?
>> /Krister
>> 
>>> 26 sep. 2015 kl. 20:17 skrev Anders Holmberg :
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I am about to order an iphone 6s.
>>> However is it very big?
>>> I have seen the iphone 6 plus and that one is to big for me.
>>> I don’t see no reason for a blind using a 6 plus or 6splus.
>>> But i guess thats just my thoughts.
>>> No judgement behind it.
>>> /A
 26 sep. 2015 kl. 03:34 skrev Mary Otten :
 
 Hi all,
 I just got my new 6S today, and it seems to me that the quality of the 
 speaker is a bit better. Bye better, I guess I should say, there seems to 
 be more base. I assume this is because of the larger size of the phone. I 
 noticed the same thing on my friends six as  compared to my 5S.
 Mary
 
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Re: Really odd situation with app updates on I O S9

I noticed that.  thank god.

Chris.

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  From: Jeffrey Shockley 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 8:27 AM
  Subject: Re: Really odd situation with app updates on I O S9

  Hi,
  Resetting network settings doesn’t remove Bluetooth device pairings and such. 
At least, it never has for me.
  Hope this helps,
  Jeffrey

On Sep 26, 2015, at 9:36 PM, Michael  wrote:

Though it might be a pain, I forgot that someone did fix this issue simply 
by resetting network settings. Definitely give it a try and let Alyssa know if 
that resolves it for you. It would be an interesting fix however.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 26, 2015, at 6:00 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:

  The only concern which I have with doing that is it will reset where I'll 
have to repare my phone to my grandmother's car, and believe me, she's so 
nontech savvy, it was a major pain in the ass trying to explain to her on her 
dashboard screen where to go to do this.  I might not have a choice though.

  Chris.

- Original Message - 
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: Really odd situation with app updates on I O S9

Hey Chris. This may or may not help, but anyway, I've heard people in 
other mailing lists having similar problems like this in iOS 9. Fortunately I'm 
not one of those people, but anyway, one of the suggestions someone brought up 
was to try resetting network settings, and for those people that fixed the 
issue. I know you may be connected to multiple wifi accounts, but give that a 
try.

Shawn
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  On Sep 26, 2015, at 3:14 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:

  This is driving me crazy!  I have my IPad Air set to sync with my 
ITunes 12.3 library on OSX 10.10.5 Yosemite.  I have all apps completely up to 
date on my mac within Itunes.  I also have my mac set up within the apps 
section of my IPad to automatically install new apps.  I am signed into ICloud 
both on my mac, and on my IPad.  I have my IPad also set to automatically 
install apps, and updates.  I now see that even though all apps are up to date 
on my mac, there were initially 12 updates on my IPad.  When I went to the 
updates tab on my IPad, and hit update all, the button would dim itself for a 
split second, then would go right back to being tappable again.  After 
literally about the tenth or so attempt, it finally took, but now it's down to 
just one update.  I looked at all the updates on my device, and none of them 
say downloading, installing, nor waiting.  I've resprung and even totally 
rebooted my device with no success.  I have tried, in ITunes, syncing the 
device, but that didn't help either.

  When I look in the app store itself, it tells me the last update was 
done today, and it appears all apps are up to date.  I disabled badges on the 
app store icon, then re-enabled it, just in case something needed to be 
refreshed.  I also cleared all instances from the app store out of my 
notification center, which didn't help.

  I'm totally at a loss.  Any ideas?

  Chris.

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Re: accessible blogging software for mac

Oh, aa, a beginner perspective, then, yes.  It's quite good.

Chris.

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Subject: Re: accessible blogging software for mac

beginner LOL other then that not sure.

On 9/28/2015 2:34 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Not sure.  What's a bignner, in the first place?

Chris.

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To: 
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: accessible blogging software for mac

How good is it from a bignners point of view? I have a word press blog i 
set up but don't have any web hosting so i would be doing the blogging 
from the web itself?

On 9/28/2015 8:37 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

I highly suggest Mars Edit.

It's in the app store.

Chris.

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Subject: accessible blogging software for mac

what accessible blogging software packages are out there for the mac?

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Amadeus Pro Update On The Mac

2015-09-28 Thread Eileen Misrahi

Hello All, 

Just got a notification that I have 2 updates. One of them is Amadeus Pro. Has 
anyone performed the update yet? With so many updates for the iOS 9 platform, I 
don’t want to have any surprises, since the current version of Amadeus Pro is 
working. Thanks for your advise. 

Kind regards, 
eileen 

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Re: iBooks with the Mac and iPhone6

2015-09-28 Thread Eileen Scrivani

Hi Eileen M, 

I’ve been doing this same thing with my Mac Book & IPhone 6.  It appears to me 
that the page numbering is not in synch between the 2 devices.  I think it has 
to do with the fact that less material appears on the Iphone’s screen than what 
the Mac Book can show.  I have on the phone tried tapping on the go to page 
button, but that just seems to do weird things to the screen and the way 
reading the book behaves.

I would be interested in knowing if anyone else has a solution to this.

Eileen S. 
From: Eileen Misrahi 
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 7:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: iBooks with the Mac and iPhone6

Hello Folks, 

I decided to take the plunge and post this topic here. With so much discussion 
about the appropriateness of subject matter this one involves both the Mac and 
iOS device. 

I have a textbook downloaded into iBooks on both my MacBook Air 2013 and my 
iPhone6. Is there anyway to obtain a hand off effect between the 2 devices? I 
mainly use iBooks on the Mac for better control of iBooks, but I need to 
perform some exercises with it,so I opened the book in iBooks on my phone. 
However, I needed to use the picker about 250 flicks to get to the page I 
needed to view in order to have access to the directions. Is there a “Go To 
Page” in the iPhone app so I don’t have to flick so much and to increase 
efficiency? Is there a sync feature between the 2 versions that would import 
the bookmarks and current page being viewed? This would be terrific to have the 
2 versions of iBooks communicate between each other in order to expedite the 
process. I look forward to your responses. 

Kind regards, 
Eileen 

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iBooks with the Mac and iPhone6

2015-09-28 Thread Eileen Misrahi

Hello Folks, 

I decided to take the plunge and post this topic here. With so much discussion 
about the appropriateness of subject matter this one involves both the Mac and 
iOS device. 

I have a textbook downloaded into iBooks on both my MacBook Air 2013 and my 
iPhone6. Is there anyway to obtain a hand off effect between the 2 devices? I 
mainly use iBooks on the Mac for better control of iBooks, but I need to 
perform some exercises with it,so I opened the book in iBooks on my phone. 
However, I needed to use the picker about 250 flicks to get to the page I 
needed to view in order to have access to the directions. Is there a “Go To 
Page” in the iPhone app so I don’t have to flick so much and to increase 
efficiency? Is there a sync feature between the 2 versions that would import 
the bookmarks and current page being viewed? This would be terrific to have the 
2 versions of iBooks communicate between each other in order to expedite the 
process. I look forward to your responses. 

Kind regards, 
Eileen 

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Re: accessible blogging software for mac

2015-09-28 Thread Singing Sparrow


beginner LOL other then that not sure.

On 9/28/2015 2:34 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Not sure.  What's a bignner, in the first place?

Chris.

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To: 
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: accessible blogging software for mac


How good is it from a bignners point of view? I have a word press 
blog i set up but don't have any web hosting so i would be doing the 
blogging from the web itself?


On 9/28/2015 8:37 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

I highly suggest Mars Edit.

It's in the app store.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Singing Sparrow" 


To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 10:14 PM
Subject: accessible blogging software for mac



what accessible blogging software packages are out there for the mac?

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Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)

Hi!
True.
But i guess we have to get use to bigger phones.
In the early 2000 the phones got smaller and now suddenly they growing bigger 
in size again.
/A
> 28 sep. 2015 kl. 17:14 skrev Mary Otten :
> 
> Anders,
> I agree with you about phone size. I really would like to have something the 
> same size as the 5S. The fourss, or the iPod touch, which is the same 
> dimensions I think as far as width and height are concerned, are OK too. But 
> I wish they would do something for those of us with smaller hands. Oh well. 
> There was a rumor that said they were going to come out with a new one that 
> was the same size as the 5S. But so far, as you know that has not happened. 
> Plus, if they do, it probably won't have all of the same features as the 
> larger phones.
> Mary
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:07 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Well, i might say something stupid now but this is my own personal 
>> preference so don’t be angry.
>> To me i really whish that if the iphone could be as small as the ipod touch 
>> then i’d be as happy as can be.
>> Ofcourse this will make braille writing nearly impossible but i never use 
>> that so i don’t care much about it.
>> We don’t have grade 2 in swedish anymore and we don’t learn it for english 
>> either so thats one of the reasons i don’t use braille keyboards.
>> /A
>>> 27 sep. 2015 kl. 14:03 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu :
>>> 
>>> I like the plus size  as Alex says if he needs to use the braille keyboard 
>>> then there is more room to spread your fingers.  Partially sighted people 
>>> say to me that they can read the screen better.  As I have no sight, I 
>>> can't say yes or no.
>>> 
>>> I got tired of the 5S as the design hadn't really changed and I had started 
>>> with the 4 so was looking for something different.  No doubt Apple will not 
>>> be changing the design of their phones as I don't know what they can do to 
>>> change them.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> On 26 Sep 2015, at 21:15, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't yet have one, but in preparation for upgrading, I wanted to see how 
>>> the Plus would fit into my life. I have a cardboard cutout of a Plus, with 
>>> some popsicle sticks taped to the back to give it structure. I carried it 
>>> for a day, then attached my iPhone 5 to it for the next day. Both days, I 
>>> was amazed to find that the cardboard Plus felt large in my hand, but small 
>>> in my pocket. It's very thin and light, and is longer and narrower than you 
>>> might imagine. Not being a more boxy shape lets it rest in my pocket 
>>> better, and I had no problems with it the two days I tested it with my 
>>> model. While not an actual phone, this gave me confidence that the Plus 
>>> will be just fine, which is good as it's the one I was leaning towards. The 
>>> better battery life, larger braille input area, landscape mode for apps, 
>>> and image stabilization are all things I'm looking forward to.
>>> 
>>> You can easily print out the same template I used, and carry around a 
>>> cardboard version of a Plus, to see how it'll work for you. Yes, it might 
>>> require minor adjustments in position or grip, but there are definite 
>>> advantages and I encourage you to consider the change to a Plus as just 
>>> that: a change, rather than looking for something the same size as the 5S 
>>> but with better internals. Of course, if the plusses don't outweigh the 
>>> minuses for you, there's nothing wrong with the 6S, that's why Apple makes 
>>> both sizes. Give the Plus a shot though; you might be pleasantly surprised.
 On Sep 26, 2015, at 15:15, Grant  wrote:
 
 Whether something is too big or not is obviously subjective, but I do 
 wonder how the size of the 6Plus and 6S Plus phones makes a difference in 
 every day usage for VoiceOver users. On the plus side, perhaps for folks 
 who use Braille screen input, the larger screen real estate you have to 
 work with might make typing easier. On the other hand, are folks finding 
 the phones easy to carry when out and about? Do they fit comfortably in 
 your pockets? I use my iPhone 5S on my commutes and often I don’t even 
 need to take it out of my pocket to use the touch screen. I have a transit 
 widget that I check to monitor bus departure times, and I use apps like 
 BlindSquare and Google Maps as well. And of course, I can listen to music 
 or audiobooks while commuting, too. If I couldn’t carry the phone in my 
 pocket and had to carry it in a backpack or briefcase, that would be quite 
 a bit less convenient for me. How do you folks feel about this—for those 
 who’ve used the larger phones for a year now, do you eventually adjust to 
 the larger screen size?
 
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Re: other mac accessibility mailing list?

100% agree with E.T.

Chris.

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To: 
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: other mac accessibility mailing list?

   This thread would be considered off topic on many mailing lists, and
rightly so.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 9/28/2015 8:50 AM, Todor Fassl wrote:

I am guessing you never moderated a list before, right?

There are 2 types of list moderators. Those who see it as their job to
help people solve problems and those who think it's their job to enforce
rules. You sound like that latter type.

What you will almost certainly end up with is a slightly less wide
ranging list with a very small clihe  of regular contributors. But maybe
that's what you want.

You're going to have like a dozen people answering each others very
specific questions. Once in a while, one of them will forget themselves
and ask an IOS question. They'll thinkeither forget or they'll think
they are so much a part of the in crowd that they can get away with it.
Then you'll have to smack them down and there will be a huge fight. This
pattern will repeat itself every 6 months or so.

The only alternative to being a tyrannical list moderator is to do what
the moderators of this list have done.  That does have it's drawbacks,
the primary one being the high traffic.

There is no perfect solution. Life is messy. Welcome to the planet earth.

On 09/28/2015 07:16 AM, deedra waters wrote:

wow , well that makes this list even harder to try and track since
it’s already overly high traffic. well if there’s no alternative I’ll
still see about hosting something mac specific or finding a place to
host one. i just dont have the time or the patience to wade through
all of the iphone topics just for the mac ones. perhapse people should
change the name of this list while they’re at it. I know i’m being on
the harsh side and i’m sorry but  this does make this list even harder
to follow.

On Sep 28, 2015, at 5:02 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

A few weeks back, people were asking about posting anything related
to Apple accessibility since so many products are so linked nowadays.
The reasoning was that--with iTunes syncing, Handoff, keyboard
commands on iOS, iCloud Drive documents, and so on--all Apple
products are so linked that it was too restrictive to refuse messages
about iOS/Apple TV/watchOS. The mods agreed, and thus the list's
topics expanded. I'm not saying this is good or bad, just telling you
why it happened.

On Sep 28, 2015, at 07:56, deedra waters 
wrote:

If there is no response to this question/there is no alternative ml
I will happily find a place to host one. Moderators this topic
really does not sit well with me because of the fact that this
appears to no longer be a mac list. after all this isn’t viphone.:P

On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:47 AM, Nicolai Svendsen
 wrote:

Hi!

I would be curious of this as well. It does say that this list is
the home of the blind Mac user community, so that it has
degenerated into a list with so many topics regarding iOS is
strange to me, especially since we have moderators. The description
doesn't reflect iOS anywhere, though, and if both are allowed now
the description should probably be changed. The name is rather
misleading, but clearly, posting iOS-related discussions is OK here.

Of course, that makes things a little confusing since this is
Macvisionaries after all.

Nicolai

On 9/28/2015 2:19 AM, deedra waters wrote:

Is there another ml that’s more mac related? it seems this list
has degenerated into an ios mailing list andand i would like one
that provides mac support only.

BTW why do people send mail for a ios device to this list? I’ve
deleted some 1400 messages from this folder and a lot of it is ios
related so if anyone knows of one i would appreciate info on an ml
for macs not ios.

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Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)

Hi!
Well i do hope though that the battery last longer on n iphone 6s than on my 5S.
Even though its been replaced.
/A
> 28 sep. 2015 kl. 21:18 skrev Alex Hall :
> 
> OIS seems to mostly help with stabilizing video, from what I've read. Holding 
> still for a shot with an OCR app, you probably won't notice it as much.
> 
> To say that Apple could include OIS in their smaller devices but chooses not 
> to seems groundless. We don't know if they could or not, because we don't 
> know how the cameras work. What if the Plus is the only device to offer the 
> necessary room? What if there are other technical reasons they couldn't do it 
> last year or this year? Apple is always close-mouthed about technical 
> challenges, so no one has a clue what the story is. Could this be just 
> another way to drive sales toward the larger (and more expensive) phone? 
> Certainly, and I'm not saying it couldn't be. However, there's also no reason 
> to say that this is absolutely the case.
> 
> Other than that, what do you lose by going for the 6S over the Plus? More 
> battery life, which is simply a consequence of not being able to cram as much 
> battery into a smaller phone. No landscape mode for apps like Safari or Mail, 
> which is a design decision--the smaller screen just couldn't show apps in the 
> special landscape mode with enough room to let you operate them effectively. 
> Remember that Apple is all about esthetics, and a bad user experience isn't 
> worth it to them, so they will carefully evaluate things and only bring 
> features that look good on big screens to smaller screens when they know they 
> can do it well. Finally, you lose the extra room for app screens or braille 
> input, which is, again, a consequence of a smaller screen.
> 
> Aside from OIS, both models are the same in all but screen/battery. The same 
> camera, amount of ram, Touch ID sensor, flash, button placement, 
> processor/coprocessor, wireless abilities, ports, NFC chip, and so on. I 
> guess I'm not seeing the big deal; if you don't want the Plus, the smaller 
> iPhone 6 or 6S is still the same device, just smaller and lacking OIS. It's 
> also $100 less.
>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 13:16, Regina Alvarado > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Were you able to feel the bubbles? Interesting. I wonder why as it fits over 
>> the glass of the phone. Well, I guess I will find out. LOL. It will not 
>> matter to me unless it bubbles under my fingers, but it could drive a VI or 
>> sighted person to drink I imagine. 
>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 12:46 PM, george b > > wrote:
>> 
>> The the glass screen protector at your carrier’s store and they will put it 
>> on for you.
>> Note;  I had one and my brother also and they both got bubbles under them so 
>> we took them off.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 09:45
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: size of the Plus (was: Improved speaker on iPhone 6s)
>>  
>>  Whether you need optical image stabilization is dependent on whether you 
>> use the camera to take pictures. If you do, it may help. If you don't, and 
>> that includes even if you do OCR, it's not worth it. It will not matter. Go 
>> with what feels better in your hand, because if you get something it's too 
>> big, you will be nothing but frustrated. That is just my opinion of course. 
>> Where did you get the gorilla glass screen protector?
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 9:40 AM, Regina Alvarado > > wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> What is optical image stabilization? Sounds like nothing I would need, and I 
>> like the smaller feel of the 6s. Just curious to know if this is necessary. 
>> By your post, it sounds like it costs more too. Oh, I was able to get a 
>> screen protector with gorilla glass. What a difference to the touch and 
>> movement of the fingers. Is this the first year these protectors have been 
>> out? Again, curious. 
>> 
>> reggie & Lex
>> 
>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 12:28 PM, Robin > > wrote:
>> 
>> I think they (they being Apple) should ComeOut with a couple of iPhones with 
>> TheSameSpecs with the exception of TheirSize
>> 
>> If Apple had an iPhone6S, which had all of the features of the iPhone6S+ ... 
>> I'm specifically Referrin'To the Optical Image Stablization, which is 
>> exclusively only on the iPhone6S+
>> 
>> Samsung offers Optical Image Stablization on both its GalaxyS6 & 
>> GalaxyS6Edge as well as its GalaxyS6Edge+  so the only Real Difference is 
>> TheirSize
>> 
>> What a Concept
>> 
>> In my

Re: iBooks with the Mac and iPhone6

Hi!
I did try it but it doesn’t seem to work here.
BUt maybe my mac is a bit to old.
/A
> 29 sep. 2015 kl. 01:11 skrev Eileen Misrahi :
> 
> Hello Folks, 
> 
> I decided to take the plunge and post this topic here. With so much 
> discussion about the appropriateness of subject matter this one involves both 
> the Mac and iOS device. 
> 
> I have a textbook downloaded into iBooks on both my MacBook Air 2013 and my 
> iPhone6. Is there anyway to obtain a hand off effect between the 2 devices? I 
> mainly use iBooks on the Mac for better control of iBooks, but I need to 
> perform some exercises with it,so I opened the book in iBooks on my phone. 
> However, I needed to use the picker about 250 flicks to get to the page I 
> needed to view in order to have access to the directions. Is there a “Go To 
> Page” in the iPhone app so I don’t have to flick so much and to increase 
> efficiency? Is there a sync feature between the 2 versions that would import 
> the bookmarks and current page being viewed? This would be terrific to have 
> the 2 versions of iBooks communicate between each other in order to expedite 
> the process. I look forward to your responses. 
> 
> Kind regards, 
> Eileen 
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Re: iBooks with the Mac and iPhone6

2015-09-28 Thread Eileen Misrahi

Hello, 

Thanks for responding. I decided to Google it and came up with some results and 
ideas. So here goes: 

On the Mac, open iBooks and go to its preferences by pressing Command-comma. 
2. Select the general tab with VO-space and stop interacting with it by 
pressing VO-Shift-Up Arrow.
3. Tab a few times until you hear “Sync.” The next tab will be a checkbox. 
Press VO-space on it. this checkbox is to “Sync bookmarks, highlights, and 
collections across all devices.” That’s it for the Mac. 

iOS:
1. Open settings-iBooks and flick until you hear VO say “Sync.” This is a 
checkbox. Mine was not checked. Use VO-space to check it. 
2. Close out the settings menu. 

I opened iBooks on both the Mac and iPhone. I did find that the app on the 
phone had a link to go back to 431. I did tap on the search button. The text 
edit field accepted page numbers. The firs line of page 432 was read by VO. I 
single finger double tap on it and I was moved to that page. I hope this helps. 

Best, 
Eileen 
> On Sep 28, 2015, at 5:25 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I did try it but it doesn’t seem to work here.
> BUt maybe my mac is a bit to old.
> /A
>> 29 sep. 2015 kl. 01:11 skrev Eileen Misrahi :
>> 
>> Hello Folks, 
>> 
>> I decided to take the plunge and post this topic here. With so much 
>> discussion about the appropriateness of subject matter this one involves 
>> both the Mac and iOS device. 
>> 
>> I have a textbook downloaded into iBooks on both my MacBook Air 2013 and my 
>> iPhone6. Is there anyway to obtain a hand off effect between the 2 devices? 
>> I mainly use iBooks on the Mac for better control of iBooks, but I need to 
>> perform some exercises with it,so I opened the book in iBooks on my phone. 
>> However, I needed to use the picker about 250 flicks to get to the page I 
>> needed to view in order to have access to the directions. Is there a “Go To 
>> Page” in the iPhone app so I don’t have to flick so much and to increase 
>> efficiency? Is there a sync feature between the 2 versions that would import 
>> the bookmarks and current page being viewed? This would be terrific to have 
>> the 2 versions of iBooks communicate between each other in order to expedite 
>> the process. I look forward to your responses. 
>> 
>> Kind regards, 
>> Eileen 
>> 
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Re: PDF files

2015-09-28 Thread Jim Gatteys

Hi!
Don't forget about ABBYY finereader for the mac.  It is not very expensive and 
it does a great job scanning images like your pdf file.
Jim

> On Sep 28, 2015, at 7:40 AM, Matthew Dierckens  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> If you have an iPhone and dropbox, you can get the KNB reader app and it will 
> convert that image PDF into text.
> Or, if you’d like to send it to me, unless it’s confidential information i 
> can convert it into text for you.
> 
> God bless.
> Matthew Dierckens
> Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
> Macintosh, Windows and IOS  Trainer
> U.S. number: 573-401-1018
> Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com
> 
>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 08:28, 'Margaret Ricciardi' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have a PDF image file on my Mac that I am unable to read, is there a way 
>> to convert it to something else or is there a way to read it as is?
>> Peggy & Dixie Marie  
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Re: other mac accessibility mailing list?

2015-09-28 Thread Jamie Pauls

A of There was quite a lengthy thread not long ago about the fact that Apple 
products are tending to blur. Many on the list felt that they should be able to 
talk about various products since they are all used together. I don't know of 
an email list that prohibits the discussion of any topic other than using the 
Mac.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 28, 2015, at 6:56 AM, deedra waters  wrote:
> 
> If there is no response to this question/there is no alternative ml  I will 
> happily find a place to host one. Moderators this topic really does not sit 
> well with me because of the fact that this appears to no longer be a mac 
> list. after all this isn’t viphone.:P
> 
> 
>> On Sep 28, 2015, at 4:47 AM, Nicolai Svendsen  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> I would be curious of this as well. It does say that this list is the home 
>> of the blind Mac user community, so that it has degenerated into a list with 
>> so many topics regarding iOS is strange to me, especially since we have 
>> moderators. The description doesn't reflect iOS anywhere, though, and if 
>> both are allowed now the description should probably be changed. The name is 
>> rather misleading, but clearly, posting iOS-related discussions is OK here.
>> 
>> Of course, that makes things a little confusing since this is Macvisionaries 
>> after all.
>> 
>> Nicolai
>> 
>>> On 9/28/2015 2:19 AM, deedra waters wrote:
>>> Is there another ml that’s more mac related? it seems this list has 
>>> degenerated into an ios mailing list andand i would like one that provides 
>>> mac support only.
>>> 
>>> BTW why do people send mail for a ios device to this list? I’ve deleted 
>>> some 1400 messages from this folder and a lot of it is ios related so if 
>>> anyone knows of one i would appreciate info on an ml for macs not ios.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: accessible blogging software for mac


I highly suggest Mars Edit.

It's in the app store.

Chris.

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Subject: accessible blogging software for mac



what accessible blogging software packages are out there for the mac?

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Re: other mac accessibility mailing list?

2015-09-28 Thread Phil Halton

Just recently, within the last few weeks, this question was answered by the 
moderator Mark Taylor. This list is now and pretty much always has been and 
"all things Apple" list. That includes the watch iOS operating system OS X etc. 
it makes a good deal of sense as the entire Apple line of products are all 
integrated and work seamlessly with each other. That is their intent, and so 
this list takes questions regarding all things Apple. There was a list devoted 
solely to the Mac OSx operating system, but that has gone the way of the 
dinosaur. That's what happens when you don't stay current.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Sep 28, 2015, at 7:47 AM, Nicolai Svendsen  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> I would be curious of this as well. It does say that this list is the home of 
> the blind Mac user community, so that it has degenerated into a list with so 
> many topics regarding iOS is strange to me, especially since we have 
> moderators. The description doesn't reflect iOS anywhere, though, and if both 
> are allowed now the description should probably be changed. The name is 
> rather misleading, but clearly, posting iOS-related discussions is OK here.
> 
> Of course, that makes things a little confusing since this is Macvisionaries 
> after all.
> 
> Nicolai
> 
>> On 9/28/2015 2:19 AM, deedra waters wrote:
>> Is there another ml that’s more mac related? it seems this list has 
>> degenerated into an ios mailing list andand i would like one that provides 
>> mac support only.
>> 
>> BTW why do people send mail for a ios device to this list? I’ve deleted some 
>> 1400 messages from this folder and a lot of it is ios related so if anyone 
>> knows of one i would appreciate info on an ml for macs not ios.
> 
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Re: other mac accessibility mailing list?