Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
oh ok then, no worries, best wishes, Vicki. On 13 Jul 2009, at 18:46, Dean Wilcox wrote: > > I was just asking as this list is world wide and there are people > from all over on here. > > At 18:33 13/07/2009, you wrote: > >> Not sure, I guess so, would you like me to try and find out? >> Someone else on the list may know this answer for you. >> Vicki. >> On 13 Jul 2009, at 18:24, Dean Wilcox wrote: >> >>> >>> Are T-mobile in the UK and T-mobile in the US the same customer >>> service wize? >>> >>> At 17:31 13/07/2009, you wrote: >>> Hi Jenny, I've just recently moved over to T Mobile and think they are the best phone provider I've eve been with. I don't know if the iPhone will be released by them however I've found thier disability service excellent Also the whole of the T Mobile team seem very helpful and if I was you I'd stay with them. They are great at producing and sending out bills on time too and i find their text service about your balance and allowence super!!! Anyway, hope this helps. Vicki. On 9 Jul 2009, at 07:42, Jenny Kennedy wrote: > > Kevin, > I like your report. Sounds like the iPhone sounds pretty good. I > wonder if iPhone is going to be let out to other cell providers? > Currently I'm with T-mobile and my contract is up in February. I > don't > know if I should just stay with t-mobile or switch to a whole new > provider. If they do come out with the iPod touch and it can do > everything, save for the phone functions, maybe that would be the > best > rout. But then There is the whole thing about text msgs and > everything. So much to ponder... I am not sure I want to have > service > via ATT and wonder what if any other cell providers would have > iPhone. > Do any of you think T-mobile would ever get the iPhone or are they > not > popular enough? And the iPod touch is it like the iPhone without > the > whole "phone" bit of things. Perplexing... Very big choices to be > made > Any help most welcome > Best regards > Jenny > > On 7/9/09, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> By using the Volume control while VO is pseaking your volume >> for VO >> can get quite loud. I had the same experance and was glad I >> remembered >> this trick. >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 8-Jul-09, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: >> >>> >>> I just got back from the Green Hills Apple Store in Nashville Tn. >>> My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk >>> out >>> with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy >>> process of >>> making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about >>> an >>> hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after >>> this >>> cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as >>> long >>> as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales >>> person >>> turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more >>> experience >>> with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, >>> which >>> causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right >>> where vo >>> was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. >>> >>> My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is >>> too >>> quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great >>> deal of >>> background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have >>> followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. >>> >>> My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some >>> uncertainty. I >>> was successfully able to explore the phone and open several >>> apps. >>> However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit >>> strange. >>> While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at >>> random. >>> At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was >>> opening. >>> However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are >>> laid >>> out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around >>> several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone >>> number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my >>> cell >>> phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and >>> ending >>> said >>> call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start >>> it >>> playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I >>> even >>> found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted >>> without >>> thinking. I guess that's where muscle memory really starts to >>> come >>> into play. I was no
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
I was just asking as this list is world wide and there are people from all over on here. At 18:33 13/07/2009, you wrote: >Not sure, I guess so, would you like me to try and find out? >Someone else on the list may know this answer for you. >Vicki. >On 13 Jul 2009, at 18:24, Dean Wilcox wrote: > > > > > Are T-mobile in the UK and T-mobile in the US the same customer > > service wize? > > > > At 17:31 13/07/2009, you wrote: > > > >> Hi Jenny, > >> I've just recently moved over to T Mobile and think they are the best > >> phone provider I've eve been with. > >> I don't know if the iPhone will be released by them however I've > >> found > >> thier disability service excellent Also the whole of the T Mobile > >> team seem very helpful and if I was you I'd stay with them. They are > >> great at producing and sending out bills on time too and i find their > >> text service about your balance and allowence super!!! > >> Anyway, hope this helps. > >> Vicki. > >> On 9 Jul 2009, at 07:42, Jenny Kennedy wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Kevin, > >>> I like your report. Sounds like the iPhone sounds pretty good. I > >>> wonder if iPhone is going to be let out to other cell providers? > >>> Currently I'm with T-mobile and my contract is up in February. I > >>> don't > >>> know if I should just stay with t-mobile or switch to a whole new > >>> provider. If they do come out with the iPod touch and it can do > >>> everything, save for the phone functions, maybe that would be the > >>> best > >>> rout. But then There is the whole thing about text msgs and > >>> everything. So much to ponder... I am not sure I want to have > >>> service > >>> via ATT and wonder what if any other cell providers would have > >>> iPhone. > >>> Do any of you think T-mobile would ever get the iPhone or are they > >>> not > >>> popular enough? And the iPod touch is it like the iPhone without > >>> the > >>> whole "phone" bit of things. Perplexing... Very big choices to be > >>> made > >>> Any help most welcome > >>> Best regards > >>> Jenny > >>> > >>> On 7/9/09, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > By using the Volume control while VO is pseaking your volume for VO > can get quite loud. I had the same experance and was glad I > remembered > this trick. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 8-Jul-09, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: > > > > >I just got back from the Green Hills Apple > >> Store in Nashville Tn. > > My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk > > out > > with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy > > process of > > making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about > > an > > hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after > > this > > cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as > > long > > as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person > > turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more > > experience > > with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which > > causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo > > was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. > > > > My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too > > quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great > > deal of > > background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have > > followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. > > > > My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some > > uncertainty. I > > was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. > > However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit > > strange. > > While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at > > random. > > At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was > > opening. > > However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are > > laid > > out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around > > several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone > > number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my > > cell > > phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and ending > > said > > call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start > > it > > playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I > > even > > found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted without > > thinking. I guess that's where muscle memory really starts to come > > into play. I was not, however, able to bend my head around how to > > drag > > a slider, such as the icon that allows you to advance through a > > song. > > I think there was a tutor message, which would have given me those >
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
I don't think they'll be the same as the people whom answer the phones when I call T Mobile customer services all sound like they are from UK and not US. Vicki. On 13 Jul 2009, at 18:24, Dean Wilcox wrote: > > Are T-mobile in the UK and T-mobile in the US the same customer > service wize? > > At 17:31 13/07/2009, you wrote: > >> Hi Jenny, >> I've just recently moved over to T Mobile and think they are the best >> phone provider I've eve been with. >> I don't know if the iPhone will be released by them however I've >> found >> thier disability service excellent Also the whole of the T Mobile >> team seem very helpful and if I was you I'd stay with them. They are >> great at producing and sending out bills on time too and i find their >> text service about your balance and allowence super!!! >> Anyway, hope this helps. >> Vicki. >> On 9 Jul 2009, at 07:42, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >> >>> >>> Kevin, >>> I like your report. Sounds like the iPhone sounds pretty good. I >>> wonder if iPhone is going to be let out to other cell providers? >>> Currently I'm with T-mobile and my contract is up in February. I >>> don't >>> know if I should just stay with t-mobile or switch to a whole new >>> provider. If they do come out with the iPod touch and it can do >>> everything, save for the phone functions, maybe that would be the >>> best >>> rout. But then There is the whole thing about text msgs and >>> everything. So much to ponder... I am not sure I want to have >>> service >>> via ATT and wonder what if any other cell providers would have >>> iPhone. >>> Do any of you think T-mobile would ever get the iPhone or are they >>> not >>> popular enough? And the iPod touch is it like the iPhone without >>> the >>> whole "phone" bit of things. Perplexing... Very big choices to be >>> made >>> Any help most welcome >>> Best regards >>> Jenny >>> >>> On 7/9/09, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, By using the Volume control while VO is pseaking your volume for VO can get quite loud. I had the same experance and was glad I remembered this trick. Regards, Alex, On 8-Jul-09, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: > >I just got back from the Green Hills Apple >> Store in Nashville Tn. > My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk > out > with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy > process of > making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about > an > hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after > this > cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as > long > as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person > turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more > experience > with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which > causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo > was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. > > My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too > quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great > deal of > background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have > followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. > > My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some > uncertainty. I > was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. > However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit > strange. > While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at > random. > At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was > opening. > However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are > laid > out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around > several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone > number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my > cell > phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and ending > said > call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start > it > playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I > even > found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted without > thinking. I guess that's where muscle memory really starts to come > into play. I was not, however, able to bend my head around how to > drag > a slider, such as the icon that allows you to advance through a > song. > I think there was a tutor message, which would have given me those > instructions, but I accidentally interrupted it, and was unable to > get > it to tell me again. > My cursory glance of mail yielded few results. I saw the messages, > was > able to open one and sort of read it. However, I was not fully > able to >
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
I don't know, but my experience with T-Mobile here in the U.S was not so great. Well ok, it wasn't to bad until they tried messing me over twice. Once when I asked for a change in the service and they extended my contract by a few months after promising and repeatedly saying they would not and then trying to charge me an early termination fee on both lines after the contract was up and I opted to switch providers do to coverage issues. Of course you can find negative stories about any carrier. My hope however is that once the contract with AT&T expires with Apple, other carriers will begin carrying the iPhone. On Jul 13, 2009, at 1:24 PM, Dean Wilcox wrote: > > Are T-mobile in the UK and T-mobile in the US the same customer > service wize? > > At 17:31 13/07/2009, you wrote: > >> Hi Jenny, >> I've just recently moved over to T Mobile and think they are the best >> phone provider I've eve been with. >> I don't know if the iPhone will be released by them however I've >> found >> thier disability service excellent Also the whole of the T Mobile >> team seem very helpful and if I was you I'd stay with them. They are >> great at producing and sending out bills on time too and i find their >> text service about your balance and allowence super!!! >> Anyway, hope this helps. >> Vicki. >> On 9 Jul 2009, at 07:42, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >> >>> >>> Kevin, >>> I like your report. Sounds like the iPhone sounds pretty good. I >>> wonder if iPhone is going to be let out to other cell providers? >>> Currently I'm with T-mobile and my contract is up in February. I >>> don't >>> know if I should just stay with t-mobile or switch to a whole new >>> provider. If they do come out with the iPod touch and it can do >>> everything, save for the phone functions, maybe that would be the >>> best >>> rout. But then There is the whole thing about text msgs and >>> everything. So much to ponder... I am not sure I want to have >>> service >>> via ATT and wonder what if any other cell providers would have >>> iPhone. >>> Do any of you think T-mobile would ever get the iPhone or are they >>> not >>> popular enough? And the iPod touch is it like the iPhone without >>> the >>> whole "phone" bit of things. Perplexing... Very big choices to be >>> made >>> Any help most welcome >>> Best regards >>> Jenny >>> >>> On 7/9/09, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, By using the Volume control while VO is pseaking your volume for VO can get quite loud. I had the same experance and was glad I remembered this trick. Regards, Alex, On 8-Jul-09, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: > >I just got back from the Green Hills Apple >> Store in Nashville Tn. > My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk > out > with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy > process of > making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about > an > hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after > this > cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as > long > as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person > turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more > experience > with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which > causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo > was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. > > My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too > quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great > deal of > background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have > followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. > > My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some > uncertainty. I > was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. > However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit > strange. > While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at > random. > At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was > opening. > However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are > laid > out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around > several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone > number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my > cell > phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and ending > said > call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start > it > playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I > even > found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted without > thinking. I guess that's where muscle memory really starts to come > into play. I was not, however, able to
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
Not sure, I guess so, would you like me to try and find out? Someone else on the list may know this answer for you. Vicki. On 13 Jul 2009, at 18:24, Dean Wilcox wrote: > > Are T-mobile in the UK and T-mobile in the US the same customer > service wize? > > At 17:31 13/07/2009, you wrote: > >> Hi Jenny, >> I've just recently moved over to T Mobile and think they are the best >> phone provider I've eve been with. >> I don't know if the iPhone will be released by them however I've >> found >> thier disability service excellent Also the whole of the T Mobile >> team seem very helpful and if I was you I'd stay with them. They are >> great at producing and sending out bills on time too and i find their >> text service about your balance and allowence super!!! >> Anyway, hope this helps. >> Vicki. >> On 9 Jul 2009, at 07:42, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >> >>> >>> Kevin, >>> I like your report. Sounds like the iPhone sounds pretty good. I >>> wonder if iPhone is going to be let out to other cell providers? >>> Currently I'm with T-mobile and my contract is up in February. I >>> don't >>> know if I should just stay with t-mobile or switch to a whole new >>> provider. If they do come out with the iPod touch and it can do >>> everything, save for the phone functions, maybe that would be the >>> best >>> rout. But then There is the whole thing about text msgs and >>> everything. So much to ponder... I am not sure I want to have >>> service >>> via ATT and wonder what if any other cell providers would have >>> iPhone. >>> Do any of you think T-mobile would ever get the iPhone or are they >>> not >>> popular enough? And the iPod touch is it like the iPhone without >>> the >>> whole "phone" bit of things. Perplexing... Very big choices to be >>> made >>> Any help most welcome >>> Best regards >>> Jenny >>> >>> On 7/9/09, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, By using the Volume control while VO is pseaking your volume for VO can get quite loud. I had the same experance and was glad I remembered this trick. Regards, Alex, On 8-Jul-09, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: > >I just got back from the Green Hills Apple >> Store in Nashville Tn. > My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk > out > with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy > process of > making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about > an > hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after > this > cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as > long > as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person > turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more > experience > with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which > causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo > was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. > > My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too > quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great > deal of > background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have > followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. > > My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some > uncertainty. I > was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. > However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit > strange. > While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at > random. > At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was > opening. > However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are > laid > out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around > several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone > number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my > cell > phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and ending > said > call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start > it > playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I > even > found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted without > thinking. I guess that's where muscle memory really starts to come > into play. I was not, however, able to bend my head around how to > drag > a slider, such as the icon that allows you to advance through a > song. > I think there was a tutor message, which would have given me those > instructions, but I accidentally interrupted it, and was unable to > get > it to tell me again. > My cursory glance of mail yielded few results. I saw the messages, > was > able to open one and sort of read it. However, I was not fully > able to > bend my head around it's layout. I co
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
Oh right that's cool then. I've been with a lot of other companies and must say I was extremely impressed with T Mobile from the first time I spoke to them etc. Also their ensurance company they use, provide things in braille. Vicki. On 13 Jul 2009, at 17:52, May and Wynter wrote: > > Yes, a friend of mine also likes TMobile and is hoping they will get > the > IPhone soon. She doesn't want to switch providers. > > May and Wynter with a y > - Original Message - > From: "Vicki Manley" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:31 AM > Subject: Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts > and > obsurvations. > > >> >> Hi Jenny, >> I've just recently moved over to T Mobile and think they are the best >> phone provider I've eve been with. >> I don't know if the iPhone will be released by them however I've >> found >> thier disability service excellent Also the whole of the T Mobile >> team seem very helpful and if I was you I'd stay with them. They are >> great at producing and sending out bills on time too and i find their >> text service about your balance and allowence super!!! >> Anyway, hope this helps. >> Vicki. >> On 9 Jul 2009, at 07:42, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >> >>> >>> Kevin, >>> I like your report. Sounds like the iPhone sounds pretty good. I >>> wonder if iPhone is going to be let out to other cell providers? >>> Currently I'm with T-mobile and my contract is up in February. I >>> don't >>> know if I should just stay with t-mobile or switch to a whole new >>> provider. If they do come out with the iPod touch and it can do >>> everything, save for the phone functions, maybe that would be the >>> best >>> rout. But then There is the whole thing about text msgs and >>> everything. So much to ponder... I am not sure I want to have >>> service >>> via ATT and wonder what if any other cell providers would have >>> iPhone. >>> Do any of you think T-mobile would ever get the iPhone or are they >>> not >>> popular enough? And the iPod touch is it like the iPhone without >>> the >>> whole "phone" bit of things. Perplexing... Very big choices to be >>> made >>> Any help most welcome >>> Best regards >>> Jenny >>> >>> On 7/9/09, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> By using the Volume control while VO is pseaking your volume for VO >>>> can get quite loud. I had the same experance and was glad I >>>> remembered >>>> this trick. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Alex, >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8-Jul-09, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I just got back from the Green Hills Apple Store in Nashville Tn. >>>>> My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk >>>>> out >>>>> with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy >>>>> process of >>>>> making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about >>>>> an >>>>> hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after >>>>> this >>>>> cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as >>>>> long >>>>> as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person >>>>> turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more >>>>> experience >>>>> with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which >>>>> causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo >>>>> was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. >>>>> >>>>> My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too >>>>> quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great >>>>> deal of >>>>> background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have >>>>> followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. >>>>> >>>>> My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some >>>>> uncertainty. I >>>>> was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. >>>>> However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit >>>>> strange. >>>>> While draggi
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
Are T-mobile in the UK and T-mobile in the US the same customer service wize? At 17:31 13/07/2009, you wrote: >Hi Jenny, >I've just recently moved over to T Mobile and think they are the best >phone provider I've eve been with. >I don't know if the iPhone will be released by them however I've found >thier disability service excellent Also the whole of the T Mobile >team seem very helpful and if I was you I'd stay with them. They are >great at producing and sending out bills on time too and i find their >text service about your balance and allowence super!!! >Anyway, hope this helps. >Vicki. >On 9 Jul 2009, at 07:42, Jenny Kennedy wrote: > > > > > Kevin, > > I like your report. Sounds like the iPhone sounds pretty good. I > > wonder if iPhone is going to be let out to other cell providers? > > Currently I'm with T-mobile and my contract is up in February. I don't > > know if I should just stay with t-mobile or switch to a whole new > > provider. If they do come out with the iPod touch and it can do > > everything, save for the phone functions, maybe that would be the best > > rout. But then There is the whole thing about text msgs and > > everything. So much to ponder... I am not sure I want to have service > > via ATT and wonder what if any other cell providers would have iPhone. > > Do any of you think T-mobile would ever get the iPhone or are they not > > popular enough? And the iPod touch is it like the iPhone without the > > whole "phone" bit of things. Perplexing... Very big choices to be made > > Any help most welcome > > Best regards > > Jenny > > > > On 7/9/09, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> By using the Volume control while VO is pseaking your volume for VO > >> can get quite loud. I had the same experance and was glad I > >> remembered > >> this trick. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Alex, > >> > >> > >> On 8-Jul-09, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> I just got back from the Green Hills Apple > Store in Nashville Tn. > >>> My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk out > >>> with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy > >>> process of > >>> making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about an > >>> hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after this > >>> cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as long > >>> as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person > >>> turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more > >>> experience > >>> with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which > >>> causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo > >>> was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. > >>> > >>> My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too > >>> quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great deal of > >>> background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have > >>> followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. > >>> > >>> My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some uncertainty. I > >>> was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. > >>> However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit strange. > >>> While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at random. > >>> At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was > >>> opening. > >>> However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are > >>> laid > >>> out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around > >>> several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone > >>> number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my cell > >>> phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and ending > >>> said > >>> call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start it > >>> playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I > >>> even > >>> found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted without > >>> thinking. I guess that's where muscle memory really starts to come > >>> into play. I was not, however, able to bend my head around how to > >>> drag > >>> a slider, such as the icon that allows you to advance through a > >>> song. > >>> I think there was a tutor message, which would have given me those > >>> instructions, but I accidentally interrupted it, and was unable to > >>> get > >>> it to tell me again. > >>> My cursory glance of mail yielded few results. I saw the messages, > >>> was > >>> able to open one and sort of read it. However, I was not fully > >>> able to > >>> bend my head around it's layout. I couldn't find the compose button, > >>> and I didn't understand the relationships between the message and > >>> the > >>> mailboxes. I would assume that the mailbox list would be on the > >>> left, > >>> and the messages on the right. I thought that's how it would look, > >>> but > >>> I'm not sure. > >>> Safari was a bit interest
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
Yes, a friend of mine also likes TMobile and is hoping they will get the IPhone soon. She doesn't want to switch providers. May and Wynter with a y - Original Message - From: "Vicki Manley" To: Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:31 AM Subject: Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations. > > Hi Jenny, > I've just recently moved over to T Mobile and think they are the best > phone provider I've eve been with. > I don't know if the iPhone will be released by them however I've found > thier disability service excellent Also the whole of the T Mobile > team seem very helpful and if I was you I'd stay with them. They are > great at producing and sending out bills on time too and i find their > text service about your balance and allowence super!!! > Anyway, hope this helps. > Vicki. > On 9 Jul 2009, at 07:42, Jenny Kennedy wrote: > >> >> Kevin, >> I like your report. Sounds like the iPhone sounds pretty good. I >> wonder if iPhone is going to be let out to other cell providers? >> Currently I'm with T-mobile and my contract is up in February. I don't >> know if I should just stay with t-mobile or switch to a whole new >> provider. If they do come out with the iPod touch and it can do >> everything, save for the phone functions, maybe that would be the best >> rout. But then There is the whole thing about text msgs and >> everything. So much to ponder... I am not sure I want to have service >> via ATT and wonder what if any other cell providers would have iPhone. >> Do any of you think T-mobile would ever get the iPhone or are they not >> popular enough? And the iPod touch is it like the iPhone without the >> whole "phone" bit of things. Perplexing... Very big choices to be made >> Any help most welcome >> Best regards >> Jenny >> >> On 7/9/09, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> By using the Volume control while VO is pseaking your volume for VO >>> can get quite loud. I had the same experance and was glad I >>> remembered >>> this trick. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> On 8-Jul-09, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I just got back from the Green Hills Apple Store in Nashville Tn. >>>> My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk out >>>> with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy >>>> process of >>>> making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about an >>>> hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after this >>>> cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as long >>>> as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person >>>> turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more >>>> experience >>>> with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which >>>> causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo >>>> was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. >>>> >>>> My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too >>>> quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great deal of >>>> background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have >>>> followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. >>>> >>>> My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some uncertainty. I >>>> was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. >>>> However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit strange. >>>> While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at random. >>>> At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was >>>> opening. >>>> However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are >>>> laid >>>> out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around >>>> several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone >>>> number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my cell >>>> phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and ending >>>> said >>>> call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start it >>>> playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I >>>> even >>>> found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted without >>>> thinking. I guess
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
Hi Jenny, I've just recently moved over to T Mobile and think they are the best phone provider I've eve been with. I don't know if the iPhone will be released by them however I've found thier disability service excellent Also the whole of the T Mobile team seem very helpful and if I was you I'd stay with them. They are great at producing and sending out bills on time too and i find their text service about your balance and allowence super!!! Anyway, hope this helps. Vicki. On 9 Jul 2009, at 07:42, Jenny Kennedy wrote: > > Kevin, > I like your report. Sounds like the iPhone sounds pretty good. I > wonder if iPhone is going to be let out to other cell providers? > Currently I'm with T-mobile and my contract is up in February. I don't > know if I should just stay with t-mobile or switch to a whole new > provider. If they do come out with the iPod touch and it can do > everything, save for the phone functions, maybe that would be the best > rout. But then There is the whole thing about text msgs and > everything. So much to ponder... I am not sure I want to have service > via ATT and wonder what if any other cell providers would have iPhone. > Do any of you think T-mobile would ever get the iPhone or are they not > popular enough? And the iPod touch is it like the iPhone without the > whole "phone" bit of things. Perplexing... Very big choices to be made > Any help most welcome > Best regards > Jenny > > On 7/9/09, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> By using the Volume control while VO is pseaking your volume for VO >> can get quite loud. I had the same experance and was glad I >> remembered >> this trick. >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 8-Jul-09, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: >> >>> >>> I just got back from the Green Hills Apple Store in >>> Nashville Tn. >>> My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk out >>> with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy >>> process of >>> making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about an >>> hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after this >>> cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as long >>> as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person >>> turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more >>> experience >>> with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which >>> causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo >>> was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. >>> >>> My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too >>> quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great deal of >>> background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have >>> followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. >>> >>> My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some uncertainty. I >>> was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. >>> However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit strange. >>> While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at random. >>> At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was >>> opening. >>> However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are >>> laid >>> out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around >>> several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone >>> number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my cell >>> phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and ending >>> said >>> call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start it >>> playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I >>> even >>> found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted without >>> thinking. I guess that's where muscle memory really starts to come >>> into play. I was not, however, able to bend my head around how to >>> drag >>> a slider, such as the icon that allows you to advance through a >>> song. >>> I think there was a tutor message, which would have given me those >>> instructions, but I accidentally interrupted it, and was unable to >>> get >>> it to tell me again. >>> My cursory glance of mail yielded few results. I saw the messages, >>> was >>> able to open one and sort of read it. However, I was not fully >>> able to >>> bend my head around it's layout. I couldn't find the compose button, >>> and I didn't understand the relationships between the message and >>> the >>> mailboxes. I would assume that the mailbox list would be on the >>> left, >>> and the messages on the right. I thought that's how it would look, >>> but >>> I'm not sure. >>> Safari was a bit interesting as well. I didn't spend but a few >>> minutes >>> looking at it, and was a tad confused because I saw part of a web >>> page, along with bookmarks. I wanted to try and enter in a website >>> to >>> not only look at something familiar, and have an excuse to t
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
Hey folks. I did indeed get the iPhone. I went the next day before work and picked it up. I'm now about 2 and a half days into the experience. I'll write a lengthy sumation of my experience so far if you guys are interested to read it. Thanks so much for all the help and encouragement so far. More later. Reeves On Jul 9, 2009, at 6:02 PM, Jenny Kennedy wrote: > > Josh, > I think you sold me on the iPhone. :-) I had this t-mobile dash? I > think? Huge pain in the neck. I did not like it at all the phone was > bulkey as it was like holding a square of tile up to your head. > Wasn't all that impressed with mobilespeak and didn't see putting down > so much money for a program that at best was only mildly frustrating. > Right now I have no accessability on the handset I'm using. I have > had ringtones set for different people when they call and at one point > I had large pictures of the people too and that helped. But no txting > or web surffing or any of the stuff everyone else gets to do. > > Tell me. If I were to switch providers how much are their rate plans > with internet? I pay about $70 a month now. Also do you have to put > a big deposit down? I didn't when I started using t-mobile four years > ago and have had a good payment record with them over the past several > years. This in fact is the reason I'd be reluctent to switch because > of the fact there may be a deposit as I've really no credit to speak > of and what there is isnt much. > Anyone who can answer, thanks much :-) > > Best Wishes > Jenny > > On 7/9/09, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >> >> I will try to get my Iphone in the beginning of August, since i'm >> going on vacation and when i get back the Iphone will have been >> released here in Sweden. I can't wait until the 10th of August. >> /Krister >> >> >> 9 jul 2009 kl. 09.58 skrev Jenny Kennedy: >> >>> >>> nods. Yah I can very well understand that. I just wish I knew what >>> if >>> any other service providers were going to have iPhone. Like I said >>> I'm >>> with T-mobile now, contract up in February and not sure what I'm >>> going >>> to do from there. Sooner or later I will wind up getting either the >>> iPhone or iPod Touch. I just got the new iPod nano that speaks for >>> valentine's day this year so can't go asking for another one so >>> soon. >>> LOL But one day... One day ah yes an i something will be mine. :-) >>> >>> On 7/9/09, william lomas wrote: Hi yes the ipod touch is in general, the IPhone, minus the phone but I don't want 2 devices On 9 Jul 2009, at 07:42, Jenny Kennedy wrote: > > Kevin, > I like your report. Sounds like the iPhone sounds pretty good. I > wonder if iPhone is going to be let out to other cell providers? > Currently I'm with T-mobile and my contract is up in February. I > don't > know if I should just stay with t-mobile or switch to a whole new > provider. If they do come out with the iPod touch and it can do > everything, save for the phone functions, maybe that would be the > best > rout. But then There is the whole thing about text msgs and > everything. So much to ponder... I am not sure I want to have > service > via ATT and wonder what if any other cell providers would have > iPhone. > Do any of you think T-mobile would ever get the iPhone or are they > not > popular enough? And the iPod touch is it like the iPhone without > the > whole "phone" bit of things. Perplexing... Very big choices to be > made > Any help most welcome > Best regards > Jenny > > On 7/9/09, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> By using the Volume control while VO is pseaking your volume >> for VO >> can get quite loud. I had the same experance and was glad I >> remembered >> this trick. >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 8-Jul-09, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: >> >>> >>> I just got back from the Green Hills Apple >>> Store in Nashville >>> Tn. >>> My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk >>> out >>> with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy >>> process of >>> making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about >>> an >>> hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after >>> this >>> cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as >>> long >>> as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales >>> person >>> turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more >>> experience >>> with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, >>> which >>> causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right >>> where vo >>> was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. >>> >>> My immediate observation was that of many o
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
did you get the iphone in the end? - Original Message - From: patrickneazer To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 3:49 AM Subject: Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations. Hello Keith and all: Go for it (wink). I do have to tease you a little though ... my Apple journey got started over at the Apple store near I-65. So, if the guys in Green Hills cause you to stand on line again ... just hop over to the other store in town ... they will help you out and take all the money you did not know you wanted to spend (wink). You want one now ... you know you do (smile). One Nashvillian to another ... even though I was a transplant (smile). On Jul 9, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: The VoiceOver volume is separate from the phone's volume. It can be turned up very loud, but there is a trick to it. You need to turn up the volume while VO is speaking. Unless you are calling a lot of numbers that are not in your contacts, I've found that I rarely use the keypad, but that the keypad is quite easy to use. You can create a list of favorite numbers which acts as a sort of speed dial. Mail is not set up the way you describe, because there really isn't enough room on the screen. There is a screen for switching mailboxes, and once in a mailbox, you just ahve a list of messages. The touch screen does seem strange at first, but that's only because it is an input medium with which the blind are, by and large, totally unfamiliar with. It rapidly becomes second nature. I can't imagine going back to any of my previous phones. The iPhone is far faster and efficient than any other phone with third-party screen readers, and I can do far more with the iPhone than I have ever been able to with previous phones I've owned. HTH. On Jul 8, 2009, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: I just got back from the Green Hills Apple Store in Nashville Tn. My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk out with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy process of making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about an hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after this cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as long as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more experience with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great deal of background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some uncertainty. I was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit strange. While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at random. At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was opening. However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are laid out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my cell phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and ending said call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start it playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I even found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted without thinking. I guess that's where muscle memory really starts to come into play. I was not, however, able to bend my head around how to drag a slider, such as the icon that allows you to advance through a song. I think there was a tutor message, which would have given me those instructions, but I accidentally interrupted it, and was unable to get it to tell me again. My cursory glance of mail yielded few results. I saw the messages, was able to open one and sort of read it. However, I was not fully able to bend my head around it's layout. I couldn't find the compose button, and I didn't understand the relationships between the message and the mailboxes. I would assume that the mailbox list would be on the left, and the messages on the right. I thought that's how it
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
Hello Keith and all: Go for it (wink). I do have to tease you a little though ... my Apple journey got started over at the Apple store near I-65. So, if the guys in Green Hills cause you to stand on line again ... just hop over to the other store in town ... they will help you out and take all the money you did not know you wanted to spend (wink). You want one now ... you know you do (smile). One Nashvillian to another ... even though I was a transplant (smile). On Jul 9, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Josh de Lioncourt wrote: > > > The VoiceOver volume is separate from the phone's volume. It can be > turned up very loud, but there is a trick to it. You need to turn up > the volume while VO is speaking. > > Unless you are calling a lot of numbers that are not in your contacts, > I've found that I rarely use the keypad, but that the keypad is quite > easy to use. You can create a list of favorite numbers which acts as a > sort of speed dial. > > Mail is not set up the way you describe, because there really isn't > enough room on the screen. There is a screen for switching mailboxes, > and once in a mailbox, you just ahve a list of messages. > > The touch screen does seem strange at first, but that's only because > it is an input medium with which the blind are, by and large, totally > unfamiliar with. It rapidly becomes second nature. > > I can't imagine going back to any of my previous phones. The iPhone is > far faster and efficient than any other phone with third-party screen > readers, and I can do far more with the iPhone than I have ever been > able to with previous phones I've owned. > > HTH. > > On Jul 8, 2009, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: > >> >> I just got back from the Green Hills Apple Store in >> Nashville Tn. >> My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk out >> with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy process >> of >> making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about an >> hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after this >> cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as long >> as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person >> turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more experience >> with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which >> causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo >> was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. >> >> My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too >> quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great deal of >> background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have >> followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. >> >> My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some uncertainty. I >> was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. >> However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit strange. >> While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at random. >> At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was opening. >> However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are laid >> out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around >> several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone >> number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my cell >> phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and ending >> said >> call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start it >> playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I even >> found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted without >> thinking. I guess that's where muscle memory really starts to come >> into play. I was not, however, able to bend my head around how to >> drag >> a slider, such as the icon that allows you to advance through a >> song. >> I think there was a tutor message, which would have given me those >> instructions, but I accidentally interrupted it, and was unable to >> get >> it to tell me again. >> My cursory glance of mail yielded few results. I saw the messages, >> was >> able to open one and sort of read it. However, I was not fully able >> to >> bend my head around it's layout. I couldn't find the compose button, >> and I didn't understand the relationships between the message and the >> mailboxes. I would assume that the mailbox list would be on the left, >> and the messages on the right. I thought that's how it would look, >> but >> I'm not sure. >> Safari was a bit interesting as well. I didn't spend but a few >> minutes >> looking at it, and was a tad confused because I saw part of a web >> page, along with bookmarks. I wanted to try and enter in a website to >> not only look at something familiar, and have an excuse to type. I >> was >> not able to find the button to enter a website, however, I did find >> the Google button and began entering in info into the search box
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
Josh, I think you sold me on the iPhone. :-) I had this t-mobile dash? I think? Huge pain in the neck. I did not like it at all the phone was bulkey as it was like holding a square of tile up to your head. Wasn't all that impressed with mobilespeak and didn't see putting down so much money for a program that at best was only mildly frustrating. Right now I have no accessability on the handset I'm using. I have had ringtones set for different people when they call and at one point I had large pictures of the people too and that helped. But no txting or web surffing or any of the stuff everyone else gets to do. Tell me. If I were to switch providers how much are their rate plans with internet? I pay about $70 a month now. Also do you have to put a big deposit down? I didn't when I started using t-mobile four years ago and have had a good payment record with them over the past several years. This in fact is the reason I'd be reluctent to switch because of the fact there may be a deposit as I've really no credit to speak of and what there is isnt much. Anyone who can answer, thanks much :-) Best Wishes Jenny On 7/9/09, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > I will try to get my Iphone in the beginning of August, since i'm > going on vacation and when i get back the Iphone will have been > released here in Sweden. I can't wait until the 10th of August. > /Krister > > > 9 jul 2009 kl. 09.58 skrev Jenny Kennedy: > >> >> nods. Yah I can very well understand that. I just wish I knew what if >> any other service providers were going to have iPhone. Like I said I'm >> with T-mobile now, contract up in February and not sure what I'm going >> to do from there. Sooner or later I will wind up getting either the >> iPhone or iPod Touch. I just got the new iPod nano that speaks for >> valentine's day this year so can't go asking for another one so soon. >> LOL But one day... One day ah yes an i something will be mine. :-) >> >> On 7/9/09, william lomas wrote: >>> >>> Hi yes the ipod touch is in general, the IPhone, minus the phone >>> but I >>> don't want 2 devices >>> >>> On 9 Jul 2009, at 07:42, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >>> Kevin, I like your report. Sounds like the iPhone sounds pretty good. I wonder if iPhone is going to be let out to other cell providers? Currently I'm with T-mobile and my contract is up in February. I don't know if I should just stay with t-mobile or switch to a whole new provider. If they do come out with the iPod touch and it can do everything, save for the phone functions, maybe that would be the best rout. But then There is the whole thing about text msgs and everything. So much to ponder... I am not sure I want to have service via ATT and wonder what if any other cell providers would have iPhone. Do any of you think T-mobile would ever get the iPhone or are they not popular enough? And the iPod touch is it like the iPhone without the whole "phone" bit of things. Perplexing... Very big choices to be made Any help most welcome Best regards Jenny On 7/9/09, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > By using the Volume control while VO is pseaking your volume for VO > can get quite loud. I had the same experance and was glad I > remembered > this trick. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 8-Jul-09, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: > >> >> I just got back from the Green Hills Apple Store in >> Nashville >> Tn. >> My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk >> out >> with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy >> process of >> making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about >> an >> hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after >> this >> cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as >> long >> as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person >> turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more >> experience >> with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which >> causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo >> was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. >> >> My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too >> quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great >> deal of >> background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have >> followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. >> >> My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some >> uncertainty. I >> was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. >> However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit >> strange. >> While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at >> random.
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
I will try to get my Iphone in the beginning of August, since i'm going on vacation and when i get back the Iphone will have been released here in Sweden. I can't wait until the 10th of August. /Krister 9 jul 2009 kl. 09.58 skrev Jenny Kennedy: > > nods. Yah I can very well understand that. I just wish I knew what if > any other service providers were going to have iPhone. Like I said I'm > with T-mobile now, contract up in February and not sure what I'm going > to do from there. Sooner or later I will wind up getting either the > iPhone or iPod Touch. I just got the new iPod nano that speaks for > valentine's day this year so can't go asking for another one so soon. > LOL But one day... One day ah yes an i something will be mine. :-) > > On 7/9/09, william lomas wrote: >> >> Hi yes the ipod touch is in general, the IPhone, minus the phone >> but I >> don't want 2 devices >> >> On 9 Jul 2009, at 07:42, Jenny Kennedy wrote: >> >>> >>> Kevin, >>> I like your report. Sounds like the iPhone sounds pretty good. I >>> wonder if iPhone is going to be let out to other cell providers? >>> Currently I'm with T-mobile and my contract is up in February. I >>> don't >>> know if I should just stay with t-mobile or switch to a whole new >>> provider. If they do come out with the iPod touch and it can do >>> everything, save for the phone functions, maybe that would be the >>> best >>> rout. But then There is the whole thing about text msgs and >>> everything. So much to ponder... I am not sure I want to have >>> service >>> via ATT and wonder what if any other cell providers would have >>> iPhone. >>> Do any of you think T-mobile would ever get the iPhone or are they >>> not >>> popular enough? And the iPod touch is it like the iPhone without >>> the >>> whole "phone" bit of things. Perplexing... Very big choices to be >>> made >>> Any help most welcome >>> Best regards >>> Jenny >>> >>> On 7/9/09, Alex Jurgensen wrote: Hi, By using the Volume control while VO is pseaking your volume for VO can get quite loud. I had the same experance and was glad I remembered this trick. Regards, Alex, On 8-Jul-09, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: > > I just got back from the Green Hills Apple Store in > Nashville > Tn. > My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk > out > with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy > process of > making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about > an > hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after > this > cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as > long > as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person > turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more > experience > with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which > causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo > was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. > > My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too > quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great > deal of > background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have > followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. > > My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some > uncertainty. I > was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. > However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit > strange. > While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at > random. > At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was > opening. > However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are > laid > out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around > several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone > number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my > cell > phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and ending > said > call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start > it > playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I > even > found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted without > thinking. I guess that's where muscle memory really starts to come > into play. I was not, however, able to bend my head around how to > drag > a slider, such as the icon that allows you to advance through a > song. > I think there was a tutor message, which would have given me those > instructions, but I accidentally interrupted it, and was unable to > get > it to tell me again. > My cursory glance of mail yielded few results. I saw the messages, > was > able to open one and
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
The VoiceOver volume is separate from the phone's volume. It can be turned up very loud, but there is a trick to it. You need to turn up the volume while VO is speaking. Unless you are calling a lot of numbers that are not in your contacts, I've found that I rarely use the keypad, but that the keypad is quite easy to use. You can create a list of favorite numbers which acts as a sort of speed dial. Mail is not set up the way you describe, because there really isn't enough room on the screen. There is a screen for switching mailboxes, and once in a mailbox, you just ahve a list of messages. The touch screen does seem strange at first, but that's only because it is an input medium with which the blind are, by and large, totally unfamiliar with. It rapidly becomes second nature. I can't imagine going back to any of my previous phones. The iPhone is far faster and efficient than any other phone with third-party screen readers, and I can do far more with the iPhone than I have ever been able to with previous phones I've owned. HTH. On Jul 8, 2009, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: > > I just got back from the Green Hills Apple Store in > Nashville Tn. > My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk out > with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy process of > making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about an > hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after this > cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as long > as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person > turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more experience > with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which > causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo > was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. > > My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too > quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great deal of > background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have > followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. > > My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some uncertainty. I > was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. > However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit strange. > While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at random. > At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was opening. > However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are laid > out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around > several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone > number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my cell > phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and ending said > call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start it > playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I even > found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted without > thinking. I guess that's where muscle memory really starts to come > into play. I was not, however, able to bend my head around how to drag > a slider, such as the icon that allows you to advance through a song. > I think there was a tutor message, which would have given me those > instructions, but I accidentally interrupted it, and was unable to get > it to tell me again. > My cursory glance of mail yielded few results. I saw the messages, was > able to open one and sort of read it. However, I was not fully able to > bend my head around it's layout. I couldn't find the compose button, > and I didn't understand the relationships between the message and the > mailboxes. I would assume that the mailbox list would be on the left, > and the messages on the right. I thought that's how it would look, but > I'm not sure. > Safari was a bit interesting as well. I didn't spend but a few minutes > looking at it, and was a tad confused because I saw part of a web > page, along with bookmarks. I wanted to try and enter in a website to > not only look at something familiar, and have an excuse to type. I was > not able to find the button to enter a website, however, I did find > the Google button and began entering in info into the search box. I > tried to type some search terms, but kept making tons of errors. > However, I could understand the concept of typing, and could easily > see that more time taken to practicing would yield much better > results. > > > Final thoughts. > In short, I get it. Voiceover is implemented in such a way that there > are few concepts to understand. Once these concepts are understood and > applied to all apps, your only learning curve is figuring out where > things are on the screen in any given app, and just the general > operation of the phone itself, which is mostly built on logic. I feel > like a week of working with the phone would get me pretty m
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
I'm really not. talks on the nokia 6682 seems a bit slugish at times and will crash once in a while. Having spent the money though I will try to get at least 2 years out of it since I'm really a cheap little troll. On 9-Jul-09, at 4:56 AM, James & Nash wrote: > > Just out of curiosity. Are you satisfied with your current cell > phone? I > haven't sen and IPhone £GS myself yet, although I have sen one of > the older > models. Theya re certainly very light but personally I'm more than > happy > with my Noia 6210 as I am can type very quickly. I think that would > be my > bigest concern with the new IPhone - typing on th touch screen > keyboard. > > Very nice to read your impression though > > Take care > > James > - Original Message - > From: "larry" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 9:24 AM > Subject: Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts > and > obsurvations. > > >> >> would you clarify the trick in handeling volume? I am attempting >> to raise >> the vo volume while on a call so I can hear the keys to perform >> touchtone >> requirements. You may have information I have missed. >> thanks much larry >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Alex Jurgensen" >> To: "MacVisionaries" >> Cc: >> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 1:59 AM >> Subject: Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts >> and >> obsurvations. >> >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> By using the Volume control while VO is pseaking your volume for VO >>> can get quite loud. I had the same experance and was glad I >>> remembered >>> this trick. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> On 8-Jul-09, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I just got back from the Green Hills Apple Store in Nashville Tn. >>>> My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk >>>> out >>>> with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy >>>> process of >>>> making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about an >>>> hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after >>>> this >>>> cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as >>>> long >>>> as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person >>>> turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more >>>> experience >>>> with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which >>>> causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo >>>> was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. >>>> >>>> My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too >>>> quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great deal >>>> of >>>> background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have >>>> followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. >>>> >>>> My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some uncertainty. I >>>> was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. >>>> However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit strange. >>>> While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at >>>> random. >>>> At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was >>>> opening. >>>> However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are >>>> laid >>>> out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around >>>> several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone >>>> number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my cell >>>> phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and ending >>>> said >>>> call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start it >>>> playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I >>>> even >>>> found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted without >>>> thinking. I guess that's where muscle memory really starts to come >>>> into play. I was not, however, able to bend my head around how to >>>> drag >>>> a slider, such as the icon that allows you to advance through a >>>> song. >>>> I thi
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
Just out of curiosity. Are you satisfied with your current cell phone? I haven't sen and IPhone £GS myself yet, although I have sen one of the older models. Theya re certainly very light but personally I'm more than happy with my Noia 6210 as I am can type very quickly. I think that would be my bigest concern with the new IPhone - typing on th touch screen keyboard. Very nice to read your impression though Take care James - Original Message - From: "larry" To: Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 9:24 AM Subject: Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations. > > would you clarify the trick in handeling volume? I am attempting to raise > the vo volume while on a call so I can hear the keys to perform touchtone > requirements. You may have information I have missed. > thanks much larry > - Original Message - > From: "Alex Jurgensen" > To: "MacVisionaries" > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 1:59 AM > Subject: Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and > obsurvations. > > >> >> Hi, >> >> By using the Volume control while VO is pseaking your volume for VO >> can get quite loud. I had the same experance and was glad I remembered >> this trick. >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 8-Jul-09, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: >> >>> >>> I just got back from the Green Hills Apple Store in Nashville Tn. >>> My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk out >>> with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy process of >>> making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about an >>> hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after this >>> cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as long >>> as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person >>> turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more experience >>> with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which >>> causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo >>> was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. >>> >>> My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too >>> quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great deal of >>> background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have >>> followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. >>> >>> My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some uncertainty. I >>> was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. >>> However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit strange. >>> While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at random. >>> At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was opening. >>> However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are laid >>> out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around >>> several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone >>> number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my cell >>> phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and ending said >>> call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start it >>> playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I even >>> found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted without >>> thinking. I guess that's where muscle memory really starts to come >>> into play. I was not, however, able to bend my head around how to drag >>> a slider, such as the icon that allows you to advance through a song. >>> I think there was a tutor message, which would have given me those >>> instructions, but I accidentally interrupted it, and was unable to get >>> it to tell me again. >>> My cursory glance of mail yielded few results. I saw the messages, was >>> able to open one and sort of read it. However, I was not fully able to >>> bend my head around it's layout. I couldn't find the compose button, >>> and I didn't understand the relationships between the message and the >>> mailboxes. I would assume that the mailbox list would be on the left, >>> and the messages on the right. I thought that's how it would look, but >>> I'm not sure. >>> Safari was a bit interesting as well. I didn't spend but a few minutes >>> looking at it, and was a tad confused because I saw part of a web >>> page, along with bookmarks. I wanted to try and e
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
would you clarify the trick in handeling volume? I am attempting to raise the vo volume while on a call so I can hear the keys to perform touchtone requirements. You may have information I have missed. thanks much larry - Original Message - From: "Alex Jurgensen" To: "MacVisionaries" Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 1:59 AM Subject: Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations. > > Hi, > > By using the Volume control while VO is pseaking your volume for VO > can get quite loud. I had the same experance and was glad I remembered > this trick. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 8-Jul-09, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: > >> >> I just got back from the Green Hills Apple Store in Nashville Tn. >> My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk out >> with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy process of >> making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about an >> hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after this >> cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as long >> as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person >> turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more experience >> with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which >> causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo >> was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. >> >> My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too >> quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great deal of >> background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have >> followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. >> >> My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some uncertainty. I >> was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. >> However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit strange. >> While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at random. >> At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was opening. >> However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are laid >> out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around >> several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone >> number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my cell >> phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and ending said >> call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start it >> playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I even >> found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted without >> thinking. I guess that's where muscle memory really starts to come >> into play. I was not, however, able to bend my head around how to drag >> a slider, such as the icon that allows you to advance through a song. >> I think there was a tutor message, which would have given me those >> instructions, but I accidentally interrupted it, and was unable to get >> it to tell me again. >> My cursory glance of mail yielded few results. I saw the messages, was >> able to open one and sort of read it. However, I was not fully able to >> bend my head around it's layout. I couldn't find the compose button, >> and I didn't understand the relationships between the message and the >> mailboxes. I would assume that the mailbox list would be on the left, >> and the messages on the right. I thought that's how it would look, but >> I'm not sure. >> Safari was a bit interesting as well. I didn't spend but a few minutes >> looking at it, and was a tad confused because I saw part of a web >> page, along with bookmarks. I wanted to try and enter in a website to >> not only look at something familiar, and have an excuse to type. I was >> not able to find the button to enter a website, however, I did find >> the Google button and began entering in info into the search box. I >> tried to type some search terms, but kept making tons of errors. >> However, I could understand the concept of typing, and could easily >> see that more time taken to practicing would yield much better >> results. >> >> >> Final thoughts. >> In short, I get it. Voiceover is implemented in such a way that there >> are few concepts to understand. Once these concepts are understood and >> applied to all apps, your only learning curve is figuring out where >> things are on the screen in any given app, and just the general >> operation of the phone itself, which is mostly built on logic. I feel >>
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
nods. Yah I can very well understand that. I just wish I knew what if any other service providers were going to have iPhone. Like I said I'm with T-mobile now, contract up in February and not sure what I'm going to do from there. Sooner or later I will wind up getting either the iPhone or iPod Touch. I just got the new iPod nano that speaks for valentine's day this year so can't go asking for another one so soon. LOL But one day... One day ah yes an i something will be mine. :-) On 7/9/09, william lomas wrote: > > Hi yes the ipod touch is in general, the IPhone, minus the phone but I > don't want 2 devices > > On 9 Jul 2009, at 07:42, Jenny Kennedy wrote: > >> >> Kevin, >> I like your report. Sounds like the iPhone sounds pretty good. I >> wonder if iPhone is going to be let out to other cell providers? >> Currently I'm with T-mobile and my contract is up in February. I don't >> know if I should just stay with t-mobile or switch to a whole new >> provider. If they do come out with the iPod touch and it can do >> everything, save for the phone functions, maybe that would be the best >> rout. But then There is the whole thing about text msgs and >> everything. So much to ponder... I am not sure I want to have service >> via ATT and wonder what if any other cell providers would have iPhone. >> Do any of you think T-mobile would ever get the iPhone or are they not >> popular enough? And the iPod touch is it like the iPhone without the >> whole "phone" bit of things. Perplexing... Very big choices to be made >> Any help most welcome >> Best regards >> Jenny >> >> On 7/9/09, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> By using the Volume control while VO is pseaking your volume for VO >>> can get quite loud. I had the same experance and was glad I >>> remembered >>> this trick. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Alex, >>> >>> >>> On 8-Jul-09, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: >>> I just got back from the Green Hills Apple Store in Nashville Tn. My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk out with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy process of making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about an hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after this cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as long as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more experience with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great deal of background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some uncertainty. I was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit strange. While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at random. At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was opening. However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are laid out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my cell phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and ending said call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start it playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I even found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted without thinking. I guess that's where muscle memory really starts to come into play. I was not, however, able to bend my head around how to drag a slider, such as the icon that allows you to advance through a song. I think there was a tutor message, which would have given me those instructions, but I accidentally interrupted it, and was unable to get it to tell me again. My cursory glance of mail yielded few results. I saw the messages, was able to open one and sort of read it. However, I was not fully able to bend my head around it's layout. I couldn't find the compose button, and I didn't understand the relationships between the message and the mailboxes. I would assume that the mailbox list would be on the left, and the messages on the right. I thought that's how it would look, but I'm not sure. Safari was a bit interesting as well. I didn't spend but a few minutes looking at it, and
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
Hi yes the ipod touch is in general, the IPhone, minus the phone but I don't want 2 devices On 9 Jul 2009, at 07:42, Jenny Kennedy wrote: > > Kevin, > I like your report. Sounds like the iPhone sounds pretty good. I > wonder if iPhone is going to be let out to other cell providers? > Currently I'm with T-mobile and my contract is up in February. I don't > know if I should just stay with t-mobile or switch to a whole new > provider. If they do come out with the iPod touch and it can do > everything, save for the phone functions, maybe that would be the best > rout. But then There is the whole thing about text msgs and > everything. So much to ponder... I am not sure I want to have service > via ATT and wonder what if any other cell providers would have iPhone. > Do any of you think T-mobile would ever get the iPhone or are they not > popular enough? And the iPod touch is it like the iPhone without the > whole "phone" bit of things. Perplexing... Very big choices to be made > Any help most welcome > Best regards > Jenny > > On 7/9/09, Alex Jurgensen wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> By using the Volume control while VO is pseaking your volume for VO >> can get quite loud. I had the same experance and was glad I >> remembered >> this trick. >> >> Regards, >> Alex, >> >> >> On 8-Jul-09, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: >> >>> >>> I just got back from the Green Hills Apple Store in >>> Nashville Tn. >>> My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk out >>> with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy >>> process of >>> making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about an >>> hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after this >>> cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as long >>> as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person >>> turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more >>> experience >>> with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which >>> causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo >>> was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. >>> >>> My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too >>> quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great deal of >>> background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have >>> followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. >>> >>> My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some uncertainty. I >>> was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. >>> However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit strange. >>> While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at random. >>> At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was >>> opening. >>> However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are >>> laid >>> out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around >>> several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone >>> number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my cell >>> phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and ending >>> said >>> call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start it >>> playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I >>> even >>> found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted without >>> thinking. I guess that's where muscle memory really starts to come >>> into play. I was not, however, able to bend my head around how to >>> drag >>> a slider, such as the icon that allows you to advance through a >>> song. >>> I think there was a tutor message, which would have given me those >>> instructions, but I accidentally interrupted it, and was unable to >>> get >>> it to tell me again. >>> My cursory glance of mail yielded few results. I saw the messages, >>> was >>> able to open one and sort of read it. However, I was not fully >>> able to >>> bend my head around it's layout. I couldn't find the compose button, >>> and I didn't understand the relationships between the message and >>> the >>> mailboxes. I would assume that the mailbox list would be on the >>> left, >>> and the messages on the right. I thought that's how it would look, >>> but >>> I'm not sure. >>> Safari was a bit interesting as well. I didn't spend but a few >>> minutes >>> looking at it, and was a tad confused because I saw part of a web >>> page, along with bookmarks. I wanted to try and enter in a website >>> to >>> not only look at something familiar, and have an excuse to type. I >>> was >>> not able to find the button to enter a website, however, I did find >>> the Google button and began entering in info into the search box. I >>> tried to type some search terms, but kept making tons of errors. >>> However, I could understand the concept of typing, and could easily >>> see that more time taken to practicing would yield much better >>> results. >>> >>> >>> Fin
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
Kevin, I like your report. Sounds like the iPhone sounds pretty good. I wonder if iPhone is going to be let out to other cell providers? Currently I'm with T-mobile and my contract is up in February. I don't know if I should just stay with t-mobile or switch to a whole new provider. If they do come out with the iPod touch and it can do everything, save for the phone functions, maybe that would be the best rout. But then There is the whole thing about text msgs and everything. So much to ponder... I am not sure I want to have service via ATT and wonder what if any other cell providers would have iPhone. Do any of you think T-mobile would ever get the iPhone or are they not popular enough? And the iPod touch is it like the iPhone without the whole "phone" bit of things. Perplexing... Very big choices to be made Any help most welcome Best regards Jenny On 7/9/09, Alex Jurgensen wrote: > > Hi, > > By using the Volume control while VO is pseaking your volume for VO > can get quite loud. I had the same experance and was glad I remembered > this trick. > > Regards, > Alex, > > > On 8-Jul-09, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: > >> >> I just got back from the Green Hills Apple Store in >> Nashville Tn. >> My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk out >> with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy process of >> making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about an >> hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after this >> cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as long >> as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person >> turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more experience >> with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which >> causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo >> was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. >> >> My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too >> quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great deal of >> background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have >> followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. >> >> My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some uncertainty. I >> was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. >> However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit strange. >> While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at random. >> At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was opening. >> However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are laid >> out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around >> several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone >> number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my cell >> phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and ending said >> call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start it >> playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I even >> found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted without >> thinking. I guess that's where muscle memory really starts to come >> into play. I was not, however, able to bend my head around how to drag >> a slider, such as the icon that allows you to advance through a song. >> I think there was a tutor message, which would have given me those >> instructions, but I accidentally interrupted it, and was unable to get >> it to tell me again. >> My cursory glance of mail yielded few results. I saw the messages, was >> able to open one and sort of read it. However, I was not fully able to >> bend my head around it's layout. I couldn't find the compose button, >> and I didn't understand the relationships between the message and the >> mailboxes. I would assume that the mailbox list would be on the left, >> and the messages on the right. I thought that's how it would look, but >> I'm not sure. >> Safari was a bit interesting as well. I didn't spend but a few minutes >> looking at it, and was a tad confused because I saw part of a web >> page, along with bookmarks. I wanted to try and enter in a website to >> not only look at something familiar, and have an excuse to type. I was >> not able to find the button to enter a website, however, I did find >> the Google button and began entering in info into the search box. I >> tried to type some search terms, but kept making tons of errors. >> However, I could understand the concept of typing, and could easily >> see that more time taken to practicing would yield much better >> results. >> >> >> Final thoughts. >> In short, I get it. Voiceover is implemented in such a way that there >> are few concepts to understand. Once these concepts are understood and >> applied to all apps, your only learning curve is figuring out where >> things are on the screen in any given app, and just the general >> operation of the phone itself, which is mostly built o
Re: Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
Hi, By using the Volume control while VO is pseaking your volume for VO can get quite loud. I had the same experance and was glad I remembered this trick. Regards, Alex, On 8-Jul-09, at 9:37 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote: > > I just got back from the Green Hills Apple Store in > Nashville Tn. > My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk out > with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy process of > making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about an > hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after this > cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as long > as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person > turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more experience > with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which > causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo > was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. > > My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too > quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great deal of > background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have > followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. > > My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some uncertainty. I > was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. > However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit strange. > While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at random. > At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was opening. > However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are laid > out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around > several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone > number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my cell > phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and ending said > call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start it > playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I even > found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted without > thinking. I guess that's where muscle memory really starts to come > into play. I was not, however, able to bend my head around how to drag > a slider, such as the icon that allows you to advance through a song. > I think there was a tutor message, which would have given me those > instructions, but I accidentally interrupted it, and was unable to get > it to tell me again. > My cursory glance of mail yielded few results. I saw the messages, was > able to open one and sort of read it. However, I was not fully able to > bend my head around it's layout. I couldn't find the compose button, > and I didn't understand the relationships between the message and the > mailboxes. I would assume that the mailbox list would be on the left, > and the messages on the right. I thought that's how it would look, but > I'm not sure. > Safari was a bit interesting as well. I didn't spend but a few minutes > looking at it, and was a tad confused because I saw part of a web > page, along with bookmarks. I wanted to try and enter in a website to > not only look at something familiar, and have an excuse to type. I was > not able to find the button to enter a website, however, I did find > the Google button and began entering in info into the search box. I > tried to type some search terms, but kept making tons of errors. > However, I could understand the concept of typing, and could easily > see that more time taken to practicing would yield much better > results. > > > Final thoughts. > In short, I get it. Voiceover is implemented in such a way that there > are few concepts to understand. Once these concepts are understood and > applied to all apps, your only learning curve is figuring out where > things are on the screen in any given app, and just the general > operation of the phone itself, which is mostly built on logic. I feel > like a week of working with the phone would get me pretty much up to > speed. It wouldn't be that much of a learning curve to stunt my > productivity. My only concern is the fact that I can definitely dial > faster on my nokia n82, and easily locate a contact, using quick > letter navigation. I know that the dial pad will take some time on > the iPhone. It's just one of those things that's going through my mind > as I'm making this decision. The store opens at 10 AM tomorrow. I > could easily go in and get one. Am I ready? Not sure. Should I wait > till september for the possibility of an iPod touch? Again. Not sure. > However, I don't really like the idea of having 2 devices on my > person, when an iPhone would do the trick for everything. Hm. What > a quandary. I'll keep you all posted. > > Reeves > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacV
Crossposted. My first look at the iPhone 3gs. Thoughts and obsurvations.
I just got back from the Green Hills Apple Store in Nashville Tn. My intention was to go and look at the iPhone, and probably walk out with one if I liked what I saw. However, due to the lengthy process of making a purchase, the apple store stopped selling iPhones about an hour and a half before they closed. I showed up 5 minutes after this cutoff time, but was encouraged to look at the display model as long as I liked until close. Upon enquiring about having a sales person turn on Voiceover, they called on another rep who had more experience with Vo. Turns out, he has some form of visual impairment, which causes him to have to use the zoom feature. He knew right where vo was, and turned it on for me. Now, the journey begins. My immediate observation was that of many other people. Vo is too quiet, even with the volume cranked. In a store with a great deal of background noise, I found vo somewhat hard to hear. Should have followed my gut instinct and brought a headset along with me. My first 10 minutes with the phone was met with some uncertainty. I was successfully able to explore the phone and open several apps. However, I found the sensitivity of the touch screen a bit strange. While dragging my finger along the icons, some would open at random. At first, I found myself quite lost inside of the apps I was opening. However, I soon found a consistent pattern to how these apps are laid out. Once I realized this, I was better able to navigate around several apps. I was soon successfully able to dial my own phone number, making my cell phone ring in my pocket. Then, using my cell phone, I was able to call the display model, answering and ending said call. In the iPod app, I was able to choose a playlist and start it playing. I was able to then pause, advance to next track, etc. I even found myself able to locate the transport button I wanted without thinking. I guess that's where muscle memory really starts to come into play. I was not, however, able to bend my head around how to drag a slider, such as the icon that allows you to advance through a song. I think there was a tutor message, which would have given me those instructions, but I accidentally interrupted it, and was unable to get it to tell me again. My cursory glance of mail yielded few results. I saw the messages, was able to open one and sort of read it. However, I was not fully able to bend my head around it's layout. I couldn't find the compose button, and I didn't understand the relationships between the message and the mailboxes. I would assume that the mailbox list would be on the left, and the messages on the right. I thought that's how it would look, but I'm not sure. Safari was a bit interesting as well. I didn't spend but a few minutes looking at it, and was a tad confused because I saw part of a web page, along with bookmarks. I wanted to try and enter in a website to not only look at something familiar, and have an excuse to type. I was not able to find the button to enter a website, however, I did find the Google button and began entering in info into the search box. I tried to type some search terms, but kept making tons of errors. However, I could understand the concept of typing, and could easily see that more time taken to practicing would yield much better results. Final thoughts. In short, I get it. Voiceover is implemented in such a way that there are few concepts to understand. Once these concepts are understood and applied to all apps, your only learning curve is figuring out where things are on the screen in any given app, and just the general operation of the phone itself, which is mostly built on logic. I feel like a week of working with the phone would get me pretty much up to speed. It wouldn't be that much of a learning curve to stunt my productivity. My only concern is the fact that I can definitely dial faster on my nokia n82, and easily locate a contact, using quick letter navigation. I know that the dial pad will take some time on the iPhone. It's just one of those things that's going through my mind as I'm making this decision. The store opens at 10 AM tomorrow. I could easily go in and get one. Am I ready? Not sure. Should I wait till september for the possibility of an iPod touch? Again. Not sure. However, I don't really like the idea of having 2 devices on my person, when an iPhone would do the trick for everything. Hm. What a quandary. I'll keep you all posted. Reeves --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvision
