Numbers Question

['Larry Honaker' via MacVisionaries]

A question for the Numbers expert out there:

How can I edit a formula which has a cell reference to another sheet?

I can edit normal formulas which refer to cells on the same sheet, but I cannot 
figure out how to change the extended sheet reference in the new 
formula—VoiceOver says it ok, but I am not able to edit it.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Larry W. Honaker

kc8...@icloud.com

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another numbers question

[May McDonald]

Good day.

Ok, I think I figured out how to get a spreadsheet going using the baby record 
layout with numbers with the daily log option.

My question is, there is an activities header and in the popup box there's 
diapers, food and sleep. Is there a way that I can add more option in this 
popup box?

May and LD luna Moon!
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Re: another numbers question

[Phil Halton]

Yes you can, set the voiceover cursor on to the pop up cell, and then go to the 
formatter group. In their select "sell" and then move over to the cell 
formatting scroll area. in there you will see that "pop up menu" is selected in 
the cell data type, and to the right there is a table with all the entries that 
are contained in that pop up. There are buttons to add new entries or delete 
existing entries in the pop up table. You get to the format group by 
uninteracting with the sheet layout area where your table is, and then arrowing 
over to the format group. I think you'll figure it out from here.
P.S. A good trick to know about is jumping straight to the formatter group from 
your table by pressing command option Jay. This will jump you from wherever you 
are in your table over to the formatting group so make sure you are positioned 
on the data cell or range of cells that you want to check in the formatter. You 
can also jump back to the table from the formatter with the command option J 
command. That way you don't have to stop interacting with the various sheet 
layouts and move around at the upper levels.
Sent from my IPhone


> On Feb 13, 2016, at 9:23 AM, May McDonald  wrote:
> 
> Good day.
> 
> Ok, I think I figured out how to get a spreadsheet going using the baby 
> record layout with numbers with the daily log option.
> 
> My question is, there is an activities header and in the popup box there's 
> diapers, food and sleep. Is there a way that I can add more option in this 
> popup box?
> 
> May and LD luna Moon!
> www.canadianlynx.ca
> m...@canadianlynx.ca
> 
> 
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Re: another numbers question

[Phil Halton]

Hoops! That junk command isn't command option Jay, it's VO plus J control 
option Jay.

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> On Feb 13, 2016, at 9:23 AM, May McDonald  wrote:
> 
> Good day.
> 
> Ok, I think I figured out how to get a spreadsheet going using the baby 
> record layout with numbers with the daily log option.
> 
> My question is, there is an activities header and in the popup box there's 
> diapers, food and sleep. Is there a way that I can add more option in this 
> popup box?
> 
> May and LD luna Moon!
> www.canadianlynx.ca
> m...@canadianlynx.ca
> 
> 
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Re: another numbers question

[May McDonald]

Thank you so very much. You have been very helpful. I think I'm getting the 
hang of how to get around numbers now and interact with it.

I'll play around with it some more and get comfortable before seeing if I can 
set up something for me using it to sort all of the books I have.

May and LD luna Moon!
www.canadianlynx.ca
m...@canadianlynx.ca



> On Feb 13, 2016, at 10:52 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> Yes you can, set the voiceover cursor on to the pop up cell, and then go to 
> the formatter group. In their select "sell" and then move over to the cell 
> formatting scroll area. in there you will see that "pop up menu" is selected 
> in the cell data type, and to the right there is a table with all the entries 
> that are contained in that pop up. There are buttons to add new entries or 
> delete existing entries in the pop up table. You get to the format group by 
> uninteracting with the sheet layout area where your table is, and then 
> arrowing over to the format group. I think you'll figure it out from here.
> P.S. A good trick to know about is jumping straight to the formatter group 
> from your table by pressing command option Jay. This will jump you from 
> wherever you are in your table over to the formatting group so make sure you 
> are positioned on the data cell or range of cells that you want to check in 
> the formatter. You can also jump back to the table from the formatter with 
> the command option J command. That way you don't have to stop interacting 
> with the various sheet layouts and move around at the upper levels.
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Feb 13, 2016, at 9:23 AM, May McDonald  wrote:
>> 
>> Good day.
>> 
>> Ok, I think I figured out how to get a spreadsheet going using the baby 
>> record layout with numbers with the daily log option.
>> 
>> My question is, there is an activities header and in the popup box there's 
>> diapers, food and sleep. Is there a way that I can add more option in this 
>> popup box?
>> 
>> May and LD luna Moon!
>> www.canadianlynx.ca
>> m...@canadianlynx.ca
>> 
>> 
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Re: Numbers question - Columns have moved

[Phil Halton]

It sounds like you inadvertently inserted a column. This happens when you press 
option and the arrow keys. if you press option right arrow you will insert a 
column to the right or to the left with left arrow a Row above with up arrow or 
a row below with down arrow. It happens a lot to me just by not paying 
attention and pressing option with an arrow key. The solution is to simply find 
the blank column, going to the context menu, and selecting delete row or column 
as the case may be. This will bring everything back to where they were.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Nov 10, 2015, at 6:41 AM, Matthew Dierckens  wrote:
> 
> Hi Guys,
> While at work yesterday, I accidentally managed to move every cell on my 
> spreadsheet up one. So, instead of the phone number being at column F, they 
> are now at Column G and the other information is also moved. Is there any way 
> to undo this?
> Also, is there a way to go to the end of a column so that I can quickly find 
> the F column without right arrowing? I notice that VO is a bit laggy with a 
> larger spreadsheet, but Braille is amazing with Numbers.
> Thanks everyone.
> Matt
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Re: Numbers question - Columns have moved

[Matthew Dierckens]

Thanks all, I fixed it. What I was trying to figure out was how to get to the 
end to easily get to the F column to input my text.
> On Nov 10, 2015, at 10:16, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> It sounds like you inadvertently inserted a column. This happens when you 
> press option and the arrow keys. if you press option right arrow you will 
> insert a column to the right or to the left with left arrow a Row above with 
> up arrow or a row below with down arrow. It happens a lot to me just by not 
> paying attention and pressing option with an arrow key. The solution is to 
> simply find the blank column, going to the context menu, and selecting delete 
> row or column as the case may be. This will bring everything back to where 
> they were.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2015, at 6:41 AM, Matthew Dierckens  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Guys,
>> While at work yesterday, I accidentally managed to move every cell on my 
>> spreadsheet up one. So, instead of the phone number being at column F, they 
>> are now at Column G and the other information is also moved. Is there any 
>> way to undo this?
>> Also, is there a way to go to the end of a column so that I can quickly find 
>> the F column without right arrowing? I notice that VO is a bit laggy with a 
>> larger spreadsheet, but Braille is amazing with Numbers.
>> Thanks everyone.
>> Matt
>> 
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Numbers question - Columns have moved

[Matthew Dierckens]

Hi Guys,
While at work yesterday, I accidentally managed to move every cell on my 
spreadsheet up one. So, instead of the phone number being at column F, they are 
now at Column G and the other information is also moved. Is there any way to 
undo this?
Also, is there a way to go to the end of a column so that I can quickly find 
the F column without right arrowing? I notice that VO is a bit laggy with a 
larger spreadsheet, but Braille is amazing with Numbers.
Thanks everyone.
Matt

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Re: Numbers question - Columns have moved

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Matt,

Could you just delete the added column? You can use Cmd-Down Arrow to go to the 
bottom of a column, and Cmd-Right Arrow to go to the end of a row.

Cheers,

Anne


> On 10 Nov 2015, at 12:41, Matthew Dierckens  wrote:
> 
> Hi Guys,
> While at work yesterday, I accidentally managed to move every cell on my 
> spreadsheet up one. So, instead of the phone number being at column F, they 
> are now at Column G and the other information is also moved. Is there any way 
> to undo this?
> Also, is there a way to go to the end of a column so that I can quickly find 
> the F column without right arrowing? I notice that VO is a bit laggy with a 
> larger spreadsheet, but Braille is amazing with Numbers.
> Thanks everyone.
> Matt
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Numbers question: selecting entire columns or rows

[Grant]

Hi all,

My apologies for not including a subject line in the message I just sent 
regarding Numbers. Please see that same message below but with a proper subject 
line. This was not intentional!

Forgive me if I have asked this question before, but is there any way to select 
an entire row or column in Numbers using VoiceOver without AppleScript?

Thanks,

Grant

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Re: Numbers question: selecting entire columns or rows

[Andrew Lamanche]

Grant,

I’ve just tried this and it would appear that you can use command+shift+up or 
down arrow to select to the beginning or end of column depending where you are 
in eh column to select all the cells.  To select an entire row, use 
command+shift+right or left arrow key.

Hope this helps.

Andrew
> On 15 Sep 2015, at 20:55, Grant  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> My apologies for not including a subject line in the message I just sent 
> regarding Numbers. Please see that same message below but with a proper 
> subject line. This was not intentional!
> 
> Forgive me if I have asked this question before, but is there any way to 
> select an entire row or column in Numbers using VoiceOver without AppleScript?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Grant
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Re: Numbers question

[Amber Wallenstein]

Hi:
It just shows me A66.
A,ber
 On Mar 9, 2015, at 4:10 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi there
 I have never had this happen to be in numbers, but what happens if you're in 
 column A at the top, and you do command down arrow to go to the bottom and 
 collimate?
 Gigi
 
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 On Mar 9, 2015, at 2:53 PM, Amber Wallenstein amber.wall...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I have a multi-sheet document I am working on.  I have selected one of the 
 sheets in the sheet tab.  When I go to the Table tab to see the actual 
 sheet, it tells me there are 166 rows.  However, when I interact with the 
 sheet, it only shows me 66 of them.  Any thoughts on showing the other 
 hundred or so rows?
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Re: Numbers question

[Phil Halton]

might you have hidden rows? check in the table menu for “unhide all rows” and 
see if that helps.


 On Mar 9, 2015, at 4:59 PM, Amber Wallenstein amber.wall...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi:
 It just shows me A66.
 A,ber
 On Mar 9, 2015, at 4:10 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi there
 I have never had this happen to be in numbers, but what happens if you're in 
 column A at the top, and you do command down arrow to go to the bottom and 
 collimate?
 Gigi
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 9, 2015, at 2:53 PM, Amber Wallenstein amber.wall...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I have a multi-sheet document I am working on.  I have selected one of the 
 sheets in the sheet tab.  When I go to the Table tab to see the actual 
 sheet, it tells me there are 166 rows.  However, when I interact with the 
 sheet, it only shows me 66 of them.  Any thoughts on showing the other 
 hundred or so rows?
 Amber
 
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Numbers question

[Amber Wallenstein]

I have a multi-sheet document I am working on.  I have selected one of the 
sheets in the sheet tab.  When I go to the Table tab to see the actual sheet, 
it tells me there are 166 rows.  However, when I interact with the sheet, it 
only shows me 66 of them.  Any thoughts on showing the other hundred or so rows?
Amber

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Re: Numbers question

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi there
I have never had this happen to be in numbers, but what happens if you're in 
column A at the top, and you do command down arrow to go to the bottom and 
collimate?
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

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 I have a multi-sheet document I am working on.  I have selected one of the 
 sheets in the sheet tab.  When I go to the Table tab to see the actual sheet, 
 it tells me there are 166 rows.  However, when I interact with the sheet, it 
 only shows me 66 of them.  Any thoughts on showing the other hundred or so 
 rows?
 Amber
 
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Re: Numbers question

[Amber Wallenstein]

Hi,
I looked in the table of menu, and it appears as if there are no hidden Rose.
Amber

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 On Mar 9, 2015, at 6:00 PM, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 might you have hidden rows? check in the table menu for “unhide all rows” and 
 see if that helps.
 
 
 On Mar 9, 2015, at 4:59 PM, Amber Wallenstein amber.wall...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi:
 It just shows me A66.
 A,ber
 On Mar 9, 2015, at 4:10 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi there
 I have never had this happen to be in numbers, but what happens if you're 
 in column A at the top, and you do command down arrow to go to the bottom 
 and collimate?
 Gigi
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 9, 2015, at 2:53 PM, Amber Wallenstein amber.wall...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I have a multi-sheet document I am working on.  I have selected one of the 
 sheets in the sheet tab.  When I go to the Table tab to see the actual 
 sheet, it tells me there are 166 rows.  However, when I interact with the 
 sheet, it only shows me 66 of them.  Any thoughts on showing the other 
 hundred or so rows?
 Amber
 
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Re: Numbers question

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi Amber. 
Ok, since I am constantly pushing things and breaking Apple programs these days 
like I used to break JAWS for Windows, I’ll make a copy of one of my files. 
then I will add another sheet to see what happens. It shouldn’t, of course, but 
maybe it has something to do with having more than one sheet. I have some large 
files with enough rows to see if I get the same result. I didn’t ask, but I 
assume you are using the latest Numbers. I am using also the latest Numbers, 
and Yosemite. 


Gigi 

 On Mar 9, 2015, at 3:59 PM, Amber Wallenstein amber.wall...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi:
 It just shows me A66.
 A,ber
 On Mar 9, 2015, at 4:10 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi there
 I have never had this happen to be in numbers, but what happens if you're in 
 column A at the top, and you do command down arrow to go to the bottom and 
 collimate?
 Gigi
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 9, 2015, at 2:53 PM, Amber Wallenstein amber.wall...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I have a multi-sheet document I am working on.  I have selected one of the 
 sheets in the sheet tab.  When I go to the Table tab to see the actual 
 sheet, it tells me there are 166 rows.  However, when I interact with the 
 sheet, it only shows me 66 of them.  Any thoughts on showing the other 
 hundred or so rows?
 Amber
 
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Re: Numbers question

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi Amber. 
I could not reproduce the problem you asked about. My computer behaved well on 
this, but now this brings up a question, although I may decide to stick with 
the way I have been doing things. 

Does anybody know whether you can set up separate sheets and then set up 
another to add up the totals of those sheets. Since I can’t find an accessible 
payroll program yet, I have been using Numbers to keep up with my employee’s 
pay. Because of the way I figure her pay, some months have long files and then 
total up for each month. this means that when December comes, I would need to 
go into each file and add up the total, especially if I decide to fire my 
payroll company. Me and them have been fighting an accessibility fight. Their 
computer support supervisor dummy keeps insisting that correcting their website 
so that VoiceOver won’t skip the place to enter pay is a breech of security. I 
downloaded QuickBooks for the Mac, and immediately uninstalled it because I 
couldn’t even get started with it with VoiceOver. Besides, it does more than I 
really want anyway. 

If I fire the payroll company, I think I will just PDF Pen Pro to fill out 
federal forms, and the state has nicely accessible forms. 

Regards, 
Gigi 



 On Mar 9, 2015, at 5:44 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Amber. 
 Ok, since I am constantly pushing things and breaking Apple programs these 
 days like I used to break JAWS for Windows, I’ll make a copy of one of my 
 files. then I will add another sheet to see what happens. It shouldn’t, of 
 course, but maybe it has something to do with having more than one sheet. I 
 have some large files with enough rows to see if I get the same result. I 
 didn’t ask, but I assume you are using the latest Numbers. I am using also 
 the latest Numbers, and Yosemite. 
 
 
 Gigi 
 
 On Mar 9, 2015, at 3:59 PM, Amber Wallenstein amber.wall...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi:
 It just shows me A66.
 A,ber
 On Mar 9, 2015, at 4:10 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi there
 I have never had this happen to be in numbers, but what happens if you're 
 in column A at the top, and you do command down arrow to go to the bottom 
 and collimate?
 Gigi
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 9, 2015, at 2:53 PM, Amber Wallenstein amber.wall...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I have a multi-sheet document I am working on.  I have selected one of the 
 sheets in the sheet tab.  When I go to the Table tab to see the actual 
 sheet, it tells me there are 166 rows.  However, when I interact with the 
 sheet, it only shows me 66 of them.  Any thoughts on showing the other 
 hundred or so rows?
 Amber
 
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Re: Numbers question

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi again Amber 
I did another experiment on a file copy. It didn’t make a difference on my 
computer, but you might check it out on yours. Here’s what I was thinking, and 
maybe this will help. 

Sometimes screen readers don’t work right if the view is messed up. I used to 
have this problem sometimes with JAWS and Word if a sighted person gave me a 
file that was set at a different zoom level. I used to have to change it, and 
sometimes it made it hard to read a file that was given to me. 

I have a file that is set to 125% zoom. I tried changing that on my computer, 
and that didn’t make a difference on my file. 

I also messed with the font size thinking VoiceOver might not accept one too 
ridiculous. It did accept a ridiculous font size and perfectly happy to talk 
anyway. 

I suggest you take a look at the view options in your file. I guess I can’t 
think of anything else, so someone else I guess will need to step in and give 
you some more ideas. 

Gigi 

 On Mar 9, 2015, at 7:13 PM, Amber Wallenstein amber.wall...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 I looked in the table of menu, and it appears as if there are no hidden Rose.
 Amber
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 9, 2015, at 6:00 PM, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 might you have hidden rows? check in the table menu for “unhide all rows” 
 and see if that helps.
 
 
 On Mar 9, 2015, at 4:59 PM, Amber Wallenstein amber.wall...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi:
 It just shows me A66.
 A,ber
 On Mar 9, 2015, at 4:10 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi there
 I have never had this happen to be in numbers, but what happens if you're 
 in column A at the top, and you do command down arrow to go to the bottom 
 and collimate?
 Gigi
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 9, 2015, at 2:53 PM, Amber Wallenstein amber.wall...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I have a multi-sheet document I am working on.  I have selected one of 
 the sheets in the sheet tab.  When I go to the Table tab to see the 
 actual sheet, it tells me there are 166 rows.  However, when I interact 
 with the sheet, it only shows me 66 of them.  Any thoughts on showing the 
 other hundred or so rows?
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Re: Numbers Question

[Caitlyn Furness]

Hi,
So, is there a way for vo to get to the last cell with data when you reopen it?
Thanks,
Cait

 On Jan 31, 2015, at 6:07 PM, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Emilio,
 I use Numbers now on a daily basis and it has completely replaced  Excel for 
 all my spreadsheet work. In a lot of ways it is easier and more accessible 
 than excel with JAWS. The big thing that you’ll have to get used to coming 
 from Excel is the way numbers handles data. In excel, a sheet is one large 
 grid of cells that you can organize your data on in the form of lists, 
 tables, etc. Then you navigate around the sheet to move to your various data 
 lists and tables.
 
 In numbers, you don’t have one big open sheet with a vast array of cells. 
 Instead you place data objects on a “canvas”  and store your data in those 
 objects. These objects are usually in the form of tables which act much like 
 a list in excel. I hope that makes sense.
 
 you expand and contract the size of the tables as needed to accommodate new 
 data rows and columns. You can have up to five header rows, header columns 
 and footer rows along with unlimited data rows and columns in a table, and 
 numbers does a good job of automatically keeping everything organized. Also, 
 Working with formulas is a pleasure once you get the hang of the formula 
 editor. 
 
 I don’t know of any tutorials, but a good thorough reading of the help 
 system, and referring to it often along with your existing knowledge of 
 spreadsheeting will get you up and running. Spend some time just 
 experimenting with setting up tables and doing simple formula work for a 
 while before trying to convert your excel stuff over to numbers.
 
 Like I said, I was a die-hard Excel user but I actually like numbers better 
 now. It handles everything I can throw at it and now all my Excel 
 spreadsheets are converted over to numbers tables. (of course, I had to tweet 
 things quite a bit to make that happen)
 
 For $20 I don’t think you can go wrong. Just be prepared to spend some time 
 on the learning curve. 
 
 Numbers is at least, if not more accessible with VO than is Excel with Jaws. 
 It just has some different data storage concepts that you need to understand.
 Good Luck
 
 
 
 On Jan 30, 2015, at 11:08 AM, Emilio Hernandez 
 emilio.s.hernan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello everyone,
 
 Does anyone know of a good voiceover tutorial that could usher me along 
 using Numbers?
 I want to give this program a fair shake if it will be comparable to using 
 Excel.
 
 Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
 
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Re: Numbers Question

[Caitlyn Furness]

Thanks.

Caitlyn

 On Feb 8, 2015, at 9:08 PM, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yes, kind of.
 
 You can go to the bottom of the table, assuming your data extends to the 
 bottom, by either pressing VO shift right arrow, or by pressing command down 
 arrow to go to the bottom of the current column.
 You have to be very careful with the latter command though, because its right 
 next to the option down arrow, and that command will insert a new row below 
 the current row. Likewise option right and left arrows insert columns to the 
 right and left of the current column. 
 I do that a lot when I’m tired and it can tend to mess up your spreadsheets.
 
 Anyway, command up down right and left arrows move to the extreme top bottom 
 right or left edge of the table. Once at the bottom of the table you can VO 
 arrow right or left to get to the desired column.
 
 It’s not like excel where the data is stored in regions and there are special 
 key combos for going to the first, last cell of the region etc. All the data 
 is stored in individual self-contained tables that you set up so each table 
 is its own region in a sense.
 Unfortunately, if a data range does not extend to the top or bottom of a 
 column, there are no VO keys that will get you to the last data item. you 
 either go to the top or bottom, no in-between. Its not a big deal though, you 
 just have to set up your tables and arrange your data so that its not an 
 issue.
 
 
 On Feb 8, 2015, at 6:16 PM, Caitlyn Furness caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 So, is there a way for vo to get to the last cell with data when you reopen 
 it?
 Thanks,
 Cait
 
 On Jan 31, 2015, at 6:07 PM, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Emilio,
 I use Numbers now on a daily basis and it has completely replaced  Excel 
 for all my spreadsheet work. In a lot of ways it is easier and more 
 accessible than excel with JAWS. The big thing that you’ll have to get used 
 to coming from Excel is the way numbers handles data. In excel, a sheet is 
 one large grid of cells that you can organize your data on in the form of 
 lists, tables, etc. Then you navigate around the sheet to move to your 
 various data lists and tables.
 
 In numbers, you don’t have one big open sheet with a vast array of cells. 
 Instead you place data objects on a “canvas”  and store your data in those 
 objects. These objects are usually in the form of tables which act much 
 like a list in excel. I hope that makes sense.
 
 you expand and contract the size of the tables as needed to accommodate new 
 data rows and columns. You can have up to five header rows, header columns 
 and footer rows along with unlimited data rows and columns in a table, and 
 numbers does a good job of automatically keeping everything organized. 
 Also, Working with formulas is a pleasure once you get the hang of the 
 formula editor. 
 
 I don’t know of any tutorials, but a good thorough reading of the help 
 system, and referring to it often along with your existing knowledge of 
 spreadsheeting will get you up and running. Spend some time just 
 experimenting with setting up tables and doing simple formula work for a 
 while before trying to convert your excel stuff over to numbers.
 
 Like I said, I was a die-hard Excel user but I actually like numbers better 
 now. It handles everything I can throw at it and now all my Excel 
 spreadsheets are converted over to numbers tables. (of course, I had to 
 tweet things quite a bit to make that happen)
 
 For $20 I don’t think you can go wrong. Just be prepared to spend some time 
 on the learning curve. 
 
 Numbers is at least, if not more accessible with VO than is Excel with 
 Jaws. It just has some different data storage concepts that you need to 
 understand.
 Good Luck
 
 
 
 On Jan 30, 2015, at 11:08 AM, Emilio Hernandez 
 emilio.s.hernan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello everyone,
 
 Does anyone know of a good voiceover tutorial that could usher me along 
 using Numbers?
 I want to give this program a fair shake if it will be comparable to using 
 Excel.
 
 Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
 
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Re: Numbers Question

[Phil Halton]

Yes, kind of.

You can go to the bottom of the table, assuming your data extends to the 
bottom, by either pressing VO shift right arrow, or by pressing command down 
arrow to go to the bottom of the current column.
You have to be very careful with the latter command though, because its right 
next to the option down arrow, and that command will insert a new row below the 
current row. Likewise option right and left arrows insert columns to the right 
and left of the current column. 
I do that a lot when I’m tired and it can tend to mess up your spreadsheets.

Anyway, command up down right and left arrows move to the extreme top bottom 
right or left edge of the table. Once at the bottom of the table you can VO 
arrow right or left to get to the desired column.

It’s not like excel where the data is stored in regions and there are special 
key combos for going to the first, last cell of the region etc. All the data is 
stored in individual self-contained tables that you set up so each table is its 
own region in a sense.
Unfortunately, if a data range does not extend to the top or bottom of a 
column, there are no VO keys that will get you to the last data item. you 
either go to the top or bottom, no in-between. Its not a big deal though, you 
just have to set up your tables and arrange your data so that its not an issue.


 On Feb 8, 2015, at 6:16 PM, Caitlyn Furness caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 So, is there a way for vo to get to the last cell with data when you reopen 
 it?
 Thanks,
 Cait
 
 On Jan 31, 2015, at 6:07 PM, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Emilio,
 I use Numbers now on a daily basis and it has completely replaced  Excel for 
 all my spreadsheet work. In a lot of ways it is easier and more accessible 
 than excel with JAWS. The big thing that you’ll have to get used to coming 
 from Excel is the way numbers handles data. In excel, a sheet is one large 
 grid of cells that you can organize your data on in the form of lists, 
 tables, etc. Then you navigate around the sheet to move to your various data 
 lists and tables.
 
 In numbers, you don’t have one big open sheet with a vast array of cells. 
 Instead you place data objects on a “canvas”  and store your data in those 
 objects. These objects are usually in the form of tables which act much like 
 a list in excel. I hope that makes sense.
 
 you expand and contract the size of the tables as needed to accommodate new 
 data rows and columns. You can have up to five header rows, header columns 
 and footer rows along with unlimited data rows and columns in a table, and 
 numbers does a good job of automatically keeping everything organized. Also, 
 Working with formulas is a pleasure once you get the hang of the formula 
 editor. 
 
 I don’t know of any tutorials, but a good thorough reading of the help 
 system, and referring to it often along with your existing knowledge of 
 spreadsheeting will get you up and running. Spend some time just 
 experimenting with setting up tables and doing simple formula work for a 
 while before trying to convert your excel stuff over to numbers.
 
 Like I said, I was a die-hard Excel user but I actually like numbers better 
 now. It handles everything I can throw at it and now all my Excel 
 spreadsheets are converted over to numbers tables. (of course, I had to 
 tweet things quite a bit to make that happen)
 
 For $20 I don’t think you can go wrong. Just be prepared to spend some time 
 on the learning curve. 
 
 Numbers is at least, if not more accessible with VO than is Excel with Jaws. 
 It just has some different data storage concepts that you need to understand.
 Good Luck
 
 
 
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 emilio.s.hernan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello everyone,
 
 Does anyone know of a good voiceover tutorial that could usher me along 
 using Numbers?
 I want to give this program a fair shake if it will be comparable to using 
 Excel.
 
 Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
 
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Re: Numbers Question

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi there 
I use Numbers for my business all the time, and I never could get regions to 
work right with JAWS anyway. In my case, I have been using different files and 
find it just as convenient anyway. I also keep open windows in Numbers for the 
files I want to edit all the time. 

Personally, I don’t like really large spreadsheets no matter which program I am 
using. I get lost in really large sheets. The one thing I have considered, 
although I haven’t done it, is to have separate sheets in one file for my 
employee. Always before I have done different files for each month because of 
the way I have to make out her pay. 

My method probably wouldn’t work if I had several employees but it works ok 
with just one. If I can help, please let me know. 

Gigi 

 On Jan 31, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Kliph kliphzkor...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 The thing that gets me with numbers as it relates to excel is the way you 
 have to interact with the cell to edit it, or read it.  Plus the way you add 
 sheets, and turn pages.  Maybe you could expand a bit on the data region and 
 how to add and edit things there with voice over.  I need a spread sheet for 
 my business, and would rather use numbers, then having to fire up windows in  
 a VM.  Thanks.
 Frustrated with your Mac, I-device, or AppleTV?  New user and want quick 
 efficient answers?  Or maybe you know apple products and want to contribute?  
 Then come join a list where questions are always answered, and we are always 
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 On Jan 31, 2015, at 6:07 PM, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com 
 mailto:philh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Emilio,
 I use Numbers now on a daily basis and it has completely replaced  Excel for 
 all my spreadsheet work. In a lot of ways it is easier and more accessible 
 than excel with JAWS. The big thing that you’ll have to get used to coming 
 from Excel is the way numbers handles data. In excel, a sheet is one large 
 grid of cells that you can organize your data on in the form of lists, 
 tables, etc. Then you navigate around the sheet to move to your various data 
 lists and tables.
 
 In numbers, you don’t have one big open sheet with a vast array of cells. 
 Instead you place data objects on a “canvas”  and store your data in those 
 objects. These objects are usually in the form of tables which act much like 
 a list in excel. I hope that makes sense.
 
 you expand and contract the size of the tables as needed to accommodate new 
 data rows and columns. You can have up to five header rows, header columns 
 and footer rows along with unlimited data rows and columns in a table, and 
 numbers does a good job of automatically keeping everything organized. Also, 
 Working with formulas is a pleasure once you get the hang of the formula 
 editor. 
 
 I don’t know of any tutorials, but a good thorough reading of the help 
 system, and referring to it often along with your existing knowledge of 
 spreadsheeting will get you up and running. Spend some time just 
 experimenting with setting up tables and doing simple formula work for a 
 while before trying to convert your excel stuff over to numbers.
 
 Like I said, I was a die-hard Excel user but I actually like numbers better 
 now. It handles everything I can throw at it and now all my Excel 
 spreadsheets are converted over to numbers tables. (of course, I had to 
 tweet things quite a bit to make that happen)
 
 For $20 I don’t think you can go wrong. Just be prepared to spend some time 
 on the learning curve. 
 
 Numbers is at least, if not more accessible with VO than is Excel with Jaws. 
 It just has some different data storage concepts that you need to understand.
 Good Luck
 
 
 
 On Jan 30, 2015, at 11:08 AM, Emilio Hernandez 
 emilio.s.hernan...@gmail.com mailto:emilio.s.hernan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello everyone,
 
 Does anyone know of a good voiceover tutorial that could usher me along 
 using Numbers?
 I want to give this program a fair shake if it will be comparable to using 
 Excel.
 
 Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
 
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Re: Numbers Question

[ernest mccullough]

Hello: For excellent mastery of the iWork suite, may I suggest mastering the 
Macintosh with voiceover. You can download it from the iBooks store. It’s 
wonderful.

Regards,

Ernest.
 On Jan 31, 2015, at 6:07 PM, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Emilio,
 I use Numbers now on a daily basis and it has completely replaced  Excel for 
 all my spreadsheet work. In a lot of ways it is easier and more accessible 
 than excel with JAWS. The big thing that you’ll have to get used to coming 
 from Excel is the way numbers handles data. In excel, a sheet is one large 
 grid of cells that you can organize your data on in the form of lists, 
 tables, etc. Then you navigate around the sheet to move to your various data 
 lists and tables.
 
 In numbers, you don’t have one big open sheet with a vast array of cells. 
 Instead you place data objects on a “canvas”  and store your data in those 
 objects. These objects are usually in the form of tables which act much like 
 a list in excel. I hope that makes sense.
 
 you expand and contract the size of the tables as needed to accommodate new 
 data rows and columns. You can have up to five header rows, header columns 
 and footer rows along with unlimited data rows and columns in a table, and 
 numbers does a good job of automatically keeping everything organized. Also, 
 Working with formulas is a pleasure once you get the hang of the formula 
 editor. 
 
 I don’t know of any tutorials, but a good thorough reading of the help 
 system, and referring to it often along with your existing knowledge of 
 spreadsheeting will get you up and running. Spend some time just 
 experimenting with setting up tables and doing simple formula work for a 
 while before trying to convert your excel stuff over to numbers.
 
 Like I said, I was a die-hard Excel user but I actually like numbers better 
 now. It handles everything I can throw at it and now all my Excel 
 spreadsheets are converted over to numbers tables. (of course, I had to tweet 
 things quite a bit to make that happen)
 
 For $20 I don’t think you can go wrong. Just be prepared to spend some time 
 on the learning curve. 
 
 Numbers is at least, if not more accessible with VO than is Excel with Jaws. 
 It just has some different data storage concepts that you need to understand.
 Good Luck
 
 
 
 On Jan 30, 2015, at 11:08 AM, Emilio Hernandez 
 emilio.s.hernan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello everyone,
 
 Does anyone know of a good voiceover tutorial that could usher me along 
 using Numbers?
 I want to give this program a fair shake if it will be comparable to using 
 Excel.
 
 Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
 
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Re: Numbers Question

[Kliph]

The thing that gets me with numbers as it relates to excel is the way you have 
to interact with the cell to edit it, or read it.  Plus the way you add sheets, 
and turn pages.  Maybe you could expand a bit on the data region and how to add 
and edit things there with voice over.  I need a spread sheet for my business, 
and would rather use numbers, then having to fire up windows in  a VM.  Thanks.
Frustrated with your Mac, I-device, or AppleTV?  New user and want quick 
efficient answers?  Or maybe you know apple products and want to contribute?  
Then come join a list where questions are always answered, and we are always 
patient with you.
Subscribe here: peel-the-apple+subscr...@googlegroups.com 
mailto:peel-the-apple+subscr...@googlegroups.com
Short quick getting started Tutorials: http://peeltheapple.wordpress.com/ 
http://peeltheapple.wordpress.com/
Or just follow us on twitter https://twitter.com/PealTheApple 
https://twitter.com/PealTheApple
And ask your question there.  All are welcome!



 On Jan 31, 2015, at 6:07 PM, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Emilio,
 I use Numbers now on a daily basis and it has completely replaced  Excel for 
 all my spreadsheet work. In a lot of ways it is easier and more accessible 
 than excel with JAWS. The big thing that you’ll have to get used to coming 
 from Excel is the way numbers handles data. In excel, a sheet is one large 
 grid of cells that you can organize your data on in the form of lists, 
 tables, etc. Then you navigate around the sheet to move to your various data 
 lists and tables.
 
 In numbers, you don’t have one big open sheet with a vast array of cells. 
 Instead you place data objects on a “canvas”  and store your data in those 
 objects. These objects are usually in the form of tables which act much like 
 a list in excel. I hope that makes sense.
 
 you expand and contract the size of the tables as needed to accommodate new 
 data rows and columns. You can have up to five header rows, header columns 
 and footer rows along with unlimited data rows and columns in a table, and 
 numbers does a good job of automatically keeping everything organized. Also, 
 Working with formulas is a pleasure once you get the hang of the formula 
 editor. 
 
 I don’t know of any tutorials, but a good thorough reading of the help 
 system, and referring to it often along with your existing knowledge of 
 spreadsheeting will get you up and running. Spend some time just 
 experimenting with setting up tables and doing simple formula work for a 
 while before trying to convert your excel stuff over to numbers.
 
 Like I said, I was a die-hard Excel user but I actually like numbers better 
 now. It handles everything I can throw at it and now all my Excel 
 spreadsheets are converted over to numbers tables. (of course, I had to tweet 
 things quite a bit to make that happen)
 
 For $20 I don’t think you can go wrong. Just be prepared to spend some time 
 on the learning curve. 
 
 Numbers is at least, if not more accessible with VO than is Excel with Jaws. 
 It just has some different data storage concepts that you need to understand.
 Good Luck
 
 
 
 On Jan 30, 2015, at 11:08 AM, Emilio Hernandez 
 emilio.s.hernan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello everyone,
 
 Does anyone know of a good voiceover tutorial that could usher me along 
 using Numbers?
 I want to give this program a fair shake if it will be comparable to using 
 Excel.
 
 Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
 
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Re: Numbers Question

[Phil Halton]

Hi Emilio,
I use Numbers now on a daily basis and it has completely replaced  Excel for 
all my spreadsheet work. In a lot of ways it is easier and more accessible than 
excel with JAWS. The big thing that you’ll have to get used to coming from 
Excel is the way numbers handles data. In excel, a sheet is one large grid of 
cells that you can organize your data on in the form of lists, tables, etc. 
Then you navigate around the sheet to move to your various data lists and 
tables.

In numbers, you don’t have one big open sheet with a vast array of cells. 
Instead you place data objects on a “canvas”  and store your data in those 
objects. These objects are usually in the form of tables which act much like a 
list in excel. I hope that makes sense.

you expand and contract the size of the tables as needed to accommodate new 
data rows and columns. You can have up to five header rows, header columns and 
footer rows along with unlimited data rows and columns in a table, and numbers 
does a good job of automatically keeping everything organized. Also, Working 
with formulas is a pleasure once you get the hang of the formula editor. 

I don’t know of any tutorials, but a good thorough reading of the help system, 
and referring to it often along with your existing knowledge of spreadsheeting 
will get you up and running. Spend some time just experimenting with setting up 
tables and doing simple formula work for a while before trying to convert your 
excel stuff over to numbers.

Like I said, I was a die-hard Excel user but I actually like numbers better 
now. It handles everything I can throw at it and now all my Excel spreadsheets 
are converted over to numbers tables. (of course, I had to tweet things quite a 
bit to make that happen)

For $20 I don’t think you can go wrong. Just be prepared to spend some time on 
the learning curve. 

Numbers is at least, if not more accessible with VO than is Excel with Jaws. It 
just has some different data storage concepts that you need to understand.
Good Luck


   
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 wrote:
 
 Hello everyone,
 
 Does anyone know of a good voiceover tutorial that could usher me along using 
 Numbers?
 I want to give this program a fair shake if it will be comparable to using 
 Excel.
 
 Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
 
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Numbers Question

[Emilio Hernandez]

Hello everyone,

Does anyone know of a good voiceover tutorial that could usher me along using 
Numbers?
I want to give this program a fair shake if it will be comparable to using 
Excel.

Thanks for any help anyone can provide.

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Re: quick Numbers question

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Ricardo,

There is no command in Numbers to jump to a specific cell. Join the massive 
band of people complaining about this.

However, you can search for specific content and jump to that cell. Let me know 
if you need instructions on how to do this.

By the way, I find the trackpad commander to be the quickest way of navigating 
to a specific cell.

Cheers,

Anne


On 5 Apr 2012, at 22:33, Ricardo Walker wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I just picked up Numbers for the Mac today and I was wondering, how can you 
 jump to different cells?
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
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Re: quick Numbers question

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi Anne. 
I don't know if Ricardo would like to know, but I would glad if you could tell 
me how to find specific content in Numbers. Thanks. 

Regards,
Gigi 
 
Eugenia Firth
gigifi...@sbcglobal.net



On Apr 6, 2012, at 11:34 AM, Anne Robertson wrote:

 Hello Ricardo,
 
 There is no command in Numbers to jump to a specific cell. Join the massive 
 band of people complaining about this.
 
 However, you can search for specific content and jump to that cell. Let me 
 know if you need instructions on how to do this.
 
 By the way, I find the trackpad commander to be the quickest way of 
 navigating to a specific cell.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 5 Apr 2012, at 22:33, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I just picked up Numbers for the Mac today and I was wondering, how can you 
 jump to different cells?
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
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Re: quick Numbers question

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Gigi,


Here's how to find specific content,
Turn cursor tracking off;
Press Command-f and enter search term;
Navigate down and interact with scroll area;
Interact with table:
Find desired result;
Bring mouse to VO cursor and do a mouse click (VO-Shift-Space);
Stop interacting with table and scroll area;
Navigate up to next scroll area;
Interact with scroll area, Layout area, and Layout item;
You will be on the selected cell;
Press VO-Shift-T to identify the cell.

Cheers,

Anne


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 Hi Anne. 
 I don't know if Ricardo would like to know, but I would glad if you could 
 tell me how to find specific content in Numbers. Thanks. 
 
 Regards,
 Gigi 

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quick Numbers question

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

I just picked up Numbers for the Mac today and I was wondering, how can you 
jump to different cells?

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

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Re: quick Numbers question

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi Ricardo and others. 
I realize, Ricardo, that you were asking a somewhat different question, one I 
would like to know myself. But I thought I would share some information that 
you might run into. I did. 

For those of y'all who are using Numbers, I just turned in an little bug to 
Apple, and I got back a message saying they sent it off resolution. 

I had asked, on this list,  about a command to go to the bottom of a file in 
Numbers with the keyboard. I was using, Anne I think you said the command, 
control option fn shift right arrow. This is because I have a Mac Book Pro so I 
had to put in the fn key. I didn't think it was used that way, but I did the 
command and it worked fine, until one fine day I forgot to press the shift key. 
The minute i didn't put the shift key in there, Numbers went into busy mode and 
wouldn't come out of it without a force quit. It also turned the fan on and got 
my keyboard a little warm. 

I just thought I'd pass along a little warning here. I like Numbers, like it 
better than than excel which I really hate, since half the time I can't 
remember the commands. 

Regards, 
Gigi, who used to break programs for Freedom Scientific without even trying

Eugenia Firth
gigifi...@sbcglobal.net



On Apr 5, 2012, at 3:33 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I just picked up Numbers for the Mac today and I was wondering, how can you 
 jump to different cells?
 
 Ricardo Walker
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 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
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numbers question

[Yuma Decaux]

Hi all,

I'm writing a script and am on the part where i play with numbers, however i 
forgot how to get the row and column names to be voiced out. All i hear right 
now is header cell. How was the toggling? Through voice over util or elsewhere?

Thanks for any help 
Yuma 

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Numbers Question

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi Guys. 
I just had an experience with Numbers I haven't yet figured out. I think I know 
how  problem started, but I meed to know how to get VoiceOver to tell me the 
cell status. 

I finally called my sighted husband who used to teach Excel for Brookhaven 
College. It turned out that some of my cells were listed as labels or text. I 
had suspected this might be the problem because I had checked numbers and added 
them up on my PacMate calculato, and they were wrong. I had set VoiceOver to 
tell attributes, and I had gone into the Inspector and, I thought, changed the 
whole selected cells to numbers. How can I get VoiceOver to tell me the status 
of a cell so that I can be sure that all the numbers are included in the sum? I 
hope this makes sense. 

The other question I have is what the command is for going to the end of the 
file in Numbers. I have a MBP.

Regards, 
Gigi 

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Re: Numbers Question

[Jon Cohn]

I have only one point of help for you.  

You should be able to select an entire row or column if you go to the extreame 
edge using the touchpad commander, and thenclicking on the item found.  I have 
not had much luck with navigating, but I wonder if the standard command down 
would do the trick?

Best wishes,

Jonathan

On Sep 28, 2011, at 1:03 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

 Hi Guys. 
 I just had an experience with Numbers I haven't yet figured out. I think I 
 know how  problem started, but I meed to know how to get VoiceOver to tell me 
 the cell status. 
 
 I finally called my sighted husband who used to teach Excel for Brookhaven 
 College. It turned out that some of my cells were listed as labels or text. I 
 had suspected this might be the problem because I had checked numbers and 
 added them up on my PacMate calculato, and they were wrong. I had set 
 VoiceOver to tell attributes, and I had gone into the Inspector and, I 
 thought, changed the whole selected cells to numbers. How can I get VoiceOver 
 to tell me the status of a cell so that I can be sure that all the numbers 
 are included in the sum? I hope this makes sense. 
 
 The other question I have is what the command is for going to the end of the 
 file in Numbers. I have a MBP.
 
 Regards, 
 Gigi 
 
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