Re: Curious: Maemo devices other than Nokia?
On Monday 21 January 2008, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: * Hanno Zulla | Maemo (as such) is free enough, some of the apps and drivers that Nokia | ships with its tablets are not. A competitor interested in building a | Maemo device should be able to adapt Maemo to its hardware and build | replacements for the non-free apps. Not all the parts of maemo are necessarily interesting to others. Ubuntu has no need for busybox or initfs since we use a normal initramfs with glibc instead. We use a different bootloader (grub) than the normal maemo stack and we use network-manager rather than ConIC. Well I am starting to try using Maemo as an embedded network appliance. It will not be a handheld, but I want the software stack to be as much Maemo as possible. I have a few reasons, but one is I find the its integration to be very tight. I am hoping as I approach it, that the integration is not so tight as to make the OSS solution be totally hamstrung. I am taking some easy ways out to begin with. For starters I am using arm9 based hardware very close to that on the N8XX series. I am also intending a touchscreen and not keyboard. The architecture is very close to the N800, but its use case is vastly different. So far I have my booting debian system and now I have to start building/installing hildon and gtk packages. I hope I will soon have a Maemo device to show off. (Where soon is some number greeater than 0) Thanks Brian ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Build the entire Mozilla based browser for maemo
On Wednesday 19 December 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yong Zhang wrote: Can someone give some guidelines or point me some links on how to build the Mozilla based browser for maemo from scratch? Which packages from garage.maemo.org/svn/browser/ need to be included to make the final application 'browser'? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2152#c0 Has better steps. However, you can't build the browser ui, the sources are not published (they got stuck somewhere between management and legal). Hopefully this is just a temporary issue right? It is not as if someone has killed publication I hope. I am actually looking forward to the browser UI. Thanks Brian ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Nokia Store/Nseries Store
On Tuesday 18 December 2007, John Mitchell wrote: All, Heads up! Buying from the Nseries site is different than buying from the Nokia site. The Nseries site offers no place to put a discount coden during the purchase process! Don't worry, Nokia will send instructions on where the code is active when it is. For reference, in the US it will most likely be letstalk.com. The discount code is a valid 'gift certificate' just without a balance currently. The Maemo team was pretty good about getting the right info out there last time. Thanks Brian ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: umac.ko
On Tuesday 11 December 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: En/na Kalle Valo ha escrit: ext Luca Olivetti luca[at]ventoso.org writes: En/na Kalle Valo ha escrit: ext Alex Iliadis alex[at]immunityinc.com writes: [packet injection] Is there a way that we can modify the source of the umac.ko module supplied with the N810 or N800? The answer is plain and simple no. The umac.ko module is proprietary and the source code is not available. Sorry. But somebody has access to that sources, so he or she could add this often requested feature, right? I find that very unlikely. If you can come with a good business _and_ use case, I might reconsider taking this to higher-ups. But the reasons would have to be really good. Mmh, so I guess that ranking better on http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=compatibility_drivers wouldn't be enough. Too bad, since by looking at other patches it shouldn't be a big effort. Well, now that usb host mode is possible there are other alternatives, though I fear that my ralink usb adapter needs something more than 100ma to work. Bye -- Luca I also very much would like this to work with packet injection, and be able to modify the source completely for other reasons. Though I know assembly I've never programmed off a data sheet, I certainly could. So in this case can't we just get the full data sheet for the chip and we're off to the races. Program it to do anything we need. Third party manu. so I'm assuming the full data sheet is not top secret...? A full data sheet will do you no good for wireless devices. Wireless devices employ a HAL (hardware abstraction layer) that is meant to restrict people from doing un-regulated things with the chip. People like the FCC require some level of assurance that the distributor is not providing hardware that can be used outside its tested parameters. Basically, I would not bother unless you are pretty deep into reverse engineering. Thanks Brian thanks -- Free Information On How We can Help With Your Patent. Click Here. http://tagline.hushmail.com/fc/Ioyw6h4fKEtigOIrPxHUNYW3N0DHsxzAIlGEluR44X6a wrxmvIWAF5/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: N810 availability?
On Monday 26 November 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Is there anything you can do a little less silently? Such as comment (or even *hint*) as to what the delay *is*? Now we can comment that there is an OS2008 beta for the N800 targetting basically you, the developers: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/os2008beta_for_n800.html . It is also said there that the OS2008 final for the N800 is expected to be released by mid December. Any chance you can outline the differences between N800 and N810 software releases? IE USB host mode BT etc etc. We can also comment that we expect the N810 discount codes for maemo contributors to be fully operational in the Nokia online shops by 15/dec. Wonderful! Providing details about the availability of Nokia devices in the shops is out of our scope in maemo, really. This is the work of the Nokia sales channels, shops and retailers. We hope you understand. Fully understand and appreciate it. Thanks for all your hard work. So where DO you get the flame-retardanty suits? You seems to get great quality ones. Thanks Brian ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: About the upcoming maemo user karma
On Friday 02 November 2007, Quim Gil wrote: On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 17:54 -0400, ext Brian Waite wrote: Please do not count wiki creates unless you can count edits too. Adding wiki creates causes some issues: Hum. You are right about the issues. Henri can provide details, but basically the problem with wiki edits is that processing all of them takes just too much time (and resources?) On the other hand, if cheating by creating new wiki pages is easy, it is not more difficult to cheat with wiki edits. It's also easy to cheat with ranks, favs and buries. Not that difficult to cheat sending emails to mailing lists. Even creating Garage projects. And even creating Downloads pages about products that are just command line tools recompiled. At the end all this helps only cheating yourself. If this cheating helps you only being in the position 693 instead of 6930 you will probably be still unnoticed karma-wise. If you are clever enough to reach position 69 or 7 then a) your own exposure might work against you or b) in fact you deserve that karma. ;) Ok my bad cheating should not have been #1. As we are not in a competition, it really doesn't matter, and I fear this clouded my point a bit. Premise: The Karma system is intended to give a bit of prestige to people who contirbute. Basically karma systems use ego to persue the common good, in this case more maemo content. When applied to the wiki it means that it is better* to create new pages then update another page. The worst thing you can do in a wiki is create a page that is almost like another. No one knows which is right or wrong or new or old. Wiki's tend to becomes very cluttered very quickly. I understand the huge compute power to compute karma based on edits. I also understand the desire to hang the karma carrot in front of the wiki, but I feel that wiki karma will do the opposite as its intent. I think it will begin to dilute the qualitry of the wiki. That said. It does not solve world peace so I won't waste much bandwidth. I rellay appreciae all the efforts Qim and Nokia have put into this communtity. Thanks Brian * Karma-wise and thus ego wise ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: About the upcoming maemo user karma
On Thursday 01 November 2007, Quim Gil wrote: Hi, We are near to implement user karma in maemo.org. Like most karma systems, it is used as a nice add-on to promote and show off those investing time and energies in the project. I really like the concept of proving some carrot for people to stop lurking and start contirbuting. - your wiki pages (created only, edited would take too much resources to scan - sorry). Please do not count wiki creates unless you can count edits too. Adding wiki creates causes some issues: 1) It is easy to create useless pages for karma gobbling 2) It makes the creation of a new page more 'desirable' than fixing an old out of date page. Which in-turn disorganizes the wiki 3)It is too easy to just throw up information that is wrong/not enough and does not benefit the real troppers who updatre wiki pages. Being a project admin myself, I find the real heroes are the people who fix the wiki, not the ones who create the page in the first place. Keeping a wiki up-to-date is hard and a group effort. I reccommend we dgive karma to editors also, or no one at all with respect to the wiki. Just my luriking 2 cents. Brian ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Java acceleration/Jazelle
A couple thoughts from a former hardware hacker here: first, serial ports are your friend so if you can find a sacrificial device that has a cracked screen or some other serious but non- life-threatening defect you should probably invest in a level-shifter chip and a DB-9 connector (and some soldering cleverness) to be able to communicate through the serial port. Serial port will make life MUCH better! Serial (and USB ) PDA cables have level shifter built in usually. Just snip the PDA connector off and figure out the wires (I am sure google is your firend) Sending bytes back and forth that way is trivial and will allow you to seriously goof around with an otherwise worthless device at the kernel or bootloader level. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Internet Tablet Power Management presentation from linux-pm summit 2007
On Wednesday 11 July 2007, Igor Stoppa wrote: On Wed, 2007-07-11 at 16:26 +0300, ext David Weinehall wrote: On ons, 2007-07-11 at 15:16 +0200, ext Visti Andresen wrote: [snip] I could suggest using a double click on the power button First click opens the Device mode dialogue. Second click suspends the device. The idea is great, IMHO, but I doubt that Nokia's UI-team would agree; on a Nokia phone, pressing the power button when the device menu is open acts as cursor down. On our device it just ignores the press completely, which was an acceptable behaviour too. Adding a totally different behaviour would probably be regarded as too complicated for the user, or something =) We are doing open software, right? So let's provide a good mechanism that supports more advanced interactions and even if we have to officially ship with a lame set of choices for the average user, others can implement more advanced features. From the discussion so far, I'm getting the impression that what people are actually asking for is a way to create very customised extra profiles. Example: Create Night mode and associate it with the shortcut (double press on the power button): -disable chat/presence -leave only VOIP with a subset of users actually able to generate rings -kill all the led signalling - All these actions should be (are they already?) commands to be sent to the interested application/daemon through DBUS, so a simple script, paired with a command line dbus interface would be sufficient. So I have another request, Can we possibly have different profiles for battery/powered? I think it is really important to be able to say if I am plugged in do not go offline because I want to get my VOIP calls, but if I am on battery do something more miserly. Again, we have the profiles already, I would just like to be able to use different profies for different power conditions. Thanks Brian ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Internet Tablet Power Management presentation from linux-pm summit 2007
On Thursday 12 July 2007, Igor Stoppa wrote: On Thu, 2007-07-12 at 08:48 -0400, ext Brian Waite wrote: [snip] So I have another request, Can we possibly have different profiles for battery/powered? I think it is really important to be able to say if I am plugged in do not go offline because I want to get my VOIP calls, but if I am on battery do something more miserly. Again, we have the profiles already, I would just like to be able to use different profies for different power conditions. We are shipting in the metaphisical field of centralised vs. distributed control. What you are asking for is certainly doable for a device meant to run few well known applications, like a phone. On a tablet it seems cleaner to just broadcast the plugged/unplugged event and let the apps deal with it by themselves. You are proposing something similar to screen timeout on a laptop, that can be set separately depending on presence of external power. What I am asking for is a setup like my laptop where I have a complete power profile for the system. Let me give a few use cases Case 1: I carry my tablet in my pocket. (On battery) Basically I turn it on, look at something put it away. * Screen dim 15 sconds * Screen Off 30 seconds * Offline 30 minutes Case 2: I get to office, plug it in. I want to keep My Google chat and Voip active on the tablet. I use a personal calendar on the tablet I want to watch I retrieve my personal email to the tablet and want to monitor it. I use a BT keyboard to stay in touch via the tablet I stream internet radio thru it. * Screen dim 15 minutes * Screen off Never * Offline never Those are the ways I want to be able to configure my tablet to run. Right now I carry itr all the time and use it away from the computer, but I rarley use it at the office becuse I have to keep it alive I realize this might be a bit out of scope, but I am not really sure it neds to be. I have been mulling about this long enough I thghout I would semi hijack a thread related to PM. Thanks Brian ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Lecture at my LUG: Presenting the Nokia 770 Internet Tablet
A big 'Me Too' here. I intend to put together a LUG presentation, but have yet to do it (other than) saying I would to the LUG that is). Getting any kind of Nokia/shard collaterall would greatly speed things up. I can talk till I am blue but I havte making slieds and someinthg has to keep people awake. I am more than will to help contribute an open sources version also. Can Nokia help with images etc. SW stack/high res devices, even a few points you would like to get across? Thanks Brian On Thursday 05 April 2007 10:01, Acadia Secure Networks wrote: Amichai, I have this on my to-do list as well for the LUG in my area. I was hoping to find something in the publically available Nokia presentation archives in order to not have to reinvent the wheel of maemo/Internet Tablets/770/N800/etc. Besides it would be in Nokia's marketing interest to get the message out on the topic and LUG's might be a good source of some viral marketing, not to mention product sales. If you put something together in English I could review/comment/collaborate with you. Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks * * Amichai Rotman wrote: Hi All, I apologize for cross-posting to both lists, but I wanted to reach you all... I am about to present the N770 to my LUG: http://www.haifux.org/lectures/164/ Any pointers, pitfalls, tips or maybe if someone already did it and can share the experience and / or resources used - will be greatly appreciated. Thanks! -- .::. Amichai Rotman UIN#: 6401746 Registered Linux User#: 201192 [ http://counter.li.org/] Registered Ubuntu User #12851 [ http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/] - --- PLEASE READ: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html - --- .::. ___ maemo-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Hildon Desktop for desktop Linux? Anybody tried yet?
On Friday 13 April 2007 07:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Has anybody tried to compile Hildon Desktop for their Linux (e.g. Ubuntu?) yet? Lucas and I have blogged about it sometime ago. Any experiences/comments/questions/whatever to share? I am getting some hardware to play with to do this very type of thing in a month or so. Not UMPC, but an Arm 9 and a touchscreen. I hope to be able to run hildon on it because I think it will be ideal for my needs (ubiquitious home computing) The instructions written by Lucas can be found through my lauchpad specification that I started when Lucas got some progress on his port: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hildon-desktop-for-ubuntu I'll look at this. It might be a bit before I really get on this but I'l feed back my details as they come. I think the Hildon Desktop would be pretty good for use as user interface for UMPCs, tablet PCs etc. running some Linux distro (if operated using the touch screen). Added benefit would be that the applets/plugins made for Nokia devices would also run on the PC and also the applets made for the PC would run on the Nokia device (python applets would run out of the box without recompilation even). Best Regards, Karoliina ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: WebCam Help
On Thursday 22 February 2007 15:17, Dave Cridland wrote: On Thu Feb 22 15:53:19 2007, Kees Jongenburger wrote: Do you have hints onto how to get rid of the gtalk client when poping the device? Open the gtalk client, Choose Tools-Settings Uncheck 'Start when Camera opened Press 'OK' There's a gconf key, it's, erm, somewhere. I stumbled across it when I was exploring with the gconf-editor I found, erm, in a repository I had already. I admit this is a strong contender for the world's least helpful message. Dave. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] busybox, sh and $HOME
On Friday 09 February 2007 07:43, william maddler wrote: Laurent MARTIN wrote: I really have no idea... and looks like it doesn't look at .profile I've noticed this too on my N800 (see earlier posts on users list): for what I've understood, this is due to the fact that you run ash not bash nor sh. What it strange is that .profile is run when connecting on the N800 through SSH. Right, maybe something wrong in how x-term invokes shell? Xterm does not, by default execute you profile ever, it is not a login shell. On normal xterm you need to run with the option of +ls to make the xterm a login shell. I imagine this is your problem. You could always change /etc/passwd to point your home directory to /mnt/mmc. Or better yet just mount the mmc card onto /home/user! This gives you the benefit that if the card is not found (ie removed) your settings will be lost but at least you can still run apps because /home/user is the original version. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Mildly concerned about order status
I thin kthe best thing to do is call Nokia direct at the phone # in my last mail. I ordered mine over the phone when the CCs were having trouble. Once i heard it cleared up I Called back to make sure I wasn't stuck in a mgr queue I did not need to be in. Later that night they called me back and while on the phone pushed the order into the shipping pipe. It was deiivered today, can't wait to get home! Give a call you might be on hold for a bit, but I bet it just takes a wakeup to get it out. While you are there you should rant about hom long it took to process. Who knows maybe they'll upgrade the shipping! Thanks Brian On Tuesday 30 January 2007 14:43, Andrew Barr wrote: Hi, I know that as far as Maemo vs. Nokia is concerned in the N800 developer program, we need to be talking to the web shop folks at Nokia USA, however I would like to solicit reactions from those in the US and maybe Canada who have placed orders for N800s under the developer device program. I placed my order on Friday after the credit-card processing issues were cleared up. It is now Tuesday and my order status page has stayed like this[0] since Friday. I read someone's post saying that these discounts needed management approval, could that be what I am waiting on? On the other hand, I also read that someone had their order on the web shop /appear/ to go through but they had to re-place the order over the phone. I would rather not navigate the phone maze again and have to explain to every last person why I think I should get a $400 computer for $125, so if anyone could give me an idea of what might be going on here, I'd appreciate it. [0] http://www.oakcourt.dyndns.org/~andrew/screenshots/n800_order_status.png ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] This Nokia N800 discount code is for you
Ok after a 30 minute converssation I have finally had my order accepted. You can't use the code online it says error processing credit card. You can't call 866-59nokia, they are clueless. You CAN call 888-665-4228 but level 1 support will just place the order at nokiausa and fail. You need get to Level 2 where they need to get premisson to accept the order, but a mgt member need to approve the code before it is actually shipped. Long and short is I won't get it before Wednesday, but the code *should* be honored. I have an order # I am happy. Thanks Maemo team! Brian On Thursday 25 January 2007 13:44, Andrew Barr wrote: On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 19:16 +0100, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote: I got it!! me too Thanks VERY MUCH Maemo Team! ack Really really really thank you! It was REALLY unexpected :) to say the least Ordered already. Can't wait to get it! sadly, I am having issues here and the phone people aren't much help. :-( The error I get when I submit my order: There was an error in processing your credit-card for this purchase. Your card has not been charged. Please contact us directly at 1-866-59NOKIA (1-866-596-6542). I've tried three different cards :-( USA based address, USA based card, at nokiausa.com... Andrew -- Aniello Del Sorbo ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] This Nokia N800 discount code is for you
Larry, I am willing to bet your code works. The code is not valid at the Nokia US store. Although it registers, you cannot complete the transaction. (Credit Card verification failure. Read my post from before you can call and get it taken care of or wait. I bet by Monday they have it working right . Thanks Brian On Thursday 25 January 2007 15:30, Larry Battraw wrote: Warning-- do NOT empty your cart like I did. I got the exact same message and when I called the help desk I got passed to three different people, all of which said they couldn't help me. I tried emptying my cart to see if that would help in letting them process the code, but no dice. Once you enter the code (Whether the order completes or not!) it's locked out and no longer valid. I now had to find some kind soul on the Maemo team and try to convince them I really didn't use my code :-( Larry On 1/25/07, Aaron Levinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 25 Jan 2007, Andrew Barr wrote: On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 19:16 +0100, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote: I got it!! me too Thanks VERY MUCH Maemo Team! ack Really really really thank you! It was REALLY unexpected :) to say the least Ordered already. Can't wait to get it! sadly, I am having issues here and the phone people aren't much help. :-( The error I get when I submit my order: There was an error in processing your credit-card for this purchase. Your card has not been charged. Please contact us directly at 1-866-59NOKIA (1-866-596-6542). I've tried three different cards :-( USA based address, USA based card, at nokiausa.com... I called the number after I encountered the same problem--the person I spoke to said that there are currently problems processing the code (someone had already called). It doesn't seem to have anything to do with the credit card. He said that he will call me back, probably by the end of the day, when the problems are sorted out. Aaron ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Alternative input method
On Friday 22 December 2006 04:15, Ilya Schurov wrote: Hi list, I would like to implement Quikwriting [1] input method for Maemo platform as an addition to existing virtual keyboard and handwriting recognition. As far as I understand, Maemo uses generic GTK+ IM API, but I can't find any documentation or examples for this API neither on http://gtk.org/ nor on http://maemo.org/. Actually, I'm not very skilled programmer, but I'd like to try -- so any help (e.g. links to docs) will be appreciated. [1] http://mrl.nyu.edu/projects/quikwriting/ You might want to look at these sources: http://agtoys.sourceforge.net/aqw/aqw-0.1.tgz It is a quickwriting vairant for the old Agenda PDA. Most of the display stuff/linux interface will change but it might goive you some ideas. Or you can look at : http://qwikscript.sourceforge.net/ for a version running on the Zaurus Thanks Brian ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] maemo weekly news anyone?
Hi all, I am a new owner of a Nokia 770. Reading the archives I saw there was a desire for a Summary Maemo-traffic post on a periodic basis. I would be willing to try to take up this charge. For some background, I have been involved in Linux embedded development for a long time now and currently am the active manintainer of the Kurobox Developers Community http://www.kurobox.com. My first non-professional embedded Linux device was the Adenga VR3 http://www.softfield.com/vr3.html circa 2002. Since then I stayed away from the Linux PDA world and stuck to applicances, ie the Kurobox. The 770 seems like a logical intersection of the PDA and applicance and I am absolutely hooked on its functionality. If anyone else was taking this up already I'll happily step back, but the offer stands. Thanks Brian ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
