Re: MD: Minidisd market share is 20%

1999-07-30 Thread J. Coon


LAS wrote:
 
 Hi Jim.  When you say "diffusion ratio", what do you mean?  

You have to ask TDK  

http://www.tdk.co.jp/teopt01/opt06000.htm

 I was quoting from their web site for the benefit of a few that don't
have web access.

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Re: MD: OT, 56k modem $9.00 US

1999-07-30 Thread J. Coon


IT was late last night when I posted that and I forgot to include the
modle number   Digicom PCI D1365 
Here is the web site, but I am not that familiar with Modems, So if
anyone has any comments maybe you could send them to me Off list so
people don't get mad at us.  

http://www.digicomsys.com/product/index.html

J. Coon wrote:
 
 This is a  little off topic.
 
 I just stopped by Best Buy to admire the new MD units and on the way out
 , I looked at some computer equipment.  They had a  DSI Digicom Systems
 Inc.  56K PCI FAX modem with Voice, V.90 Plug  and Pray, for $29 with a
 $20 rebate.
 
 I don't know how this compares to other units, but I bought  one to try
 out.  Did I do the right thing?
 
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MD: Newb here

1999-07-30 Thread Wilson, Scott


Okay, I'm new to this list here, so don't make fun of me too much.  Anyway,
here's what I'm trying to do.  I want to do digital recording between my
computer and a digital recording device so my plan was to buy a Sound
Blaster Live and a mini-disc recorder.  The SB Live has RCA SPDIF in's and
out's, however I can't seem to find a mini-disc recorder that has RCA SPDIF.
The only one's I find are TosLink or digital coaxial.  So what I was
wondering is if an adapter exists that will go from digital coaxial to RCA
SPDIF?  Any info on this would be greatly appreciated, thanks.

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RE: MD: Duplicating tracks and large buffers

1999-07-30 Thread Wilson, Scott


Sounds like a DJ's dream come true ;-)

I believe I understand how the pitch control works (at least in theory),
but how does the machine have separate controls for pitch and tempo?  If
you change one you change the other

Pitch and tempo are the same thing.  Pitch control just allows you to speed
up or slow down the song so that you can match the BPM with the next song.
Plus or minus 12% is actually quite a bit of pitch control if your going to
mix, when I mix I make sure the songs BPM are within +/- 4%.  I'm wondering,
does the MD mentioned also having cueing features accurate to 1/100 of a
second?

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MD: Sony MDX-C8970

1999-07-30 Thread Tony Antoniou


Who has seen this model in action? It appears to have switchable HP filters
for the front and rear outputs as well as the typical mono sub-out (which is
an unusual move considering my C8900 has stereo sub-out, even though I am
using only one sub, I'm sure others would want to use 2). It also has Voice
Drive (voice recognition, as opposed to just confirmation as per Voice
Guide). But this one also has a spectrum analyser on the display (or so it
appears to be), and that's where I'm left stumped as it mentions a HX DSP,
but no mention if that is built-in or if it's just an interface for an
external DSP unit.

Price-wise, it's AUD$100 cheaper (in RRP) than the C8900 was when it was
first released. It would appear that the top-end models are a little more
popular than I thought, and I thought I was unique for buying the 1st
top-end MD deck in Australia 3#-)

So if anyone has come across one of these units in their travels, I'd like
to find out what's new and improved in it. It may be worthy of an upgrade
3#-)

Adios,
LarZ

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Re: MD: equipment advice, regarding the future

1999-07-30 Thread Steven Brooks


howdy... :)


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G'day..

I've got a bit too much cash on hand, and not enough sense, so like a lot
of
people nowdays, i'm looking at getting a MD setup..

wow wish I could say the same thing :(  I intend to be in that position
soon though, hehe

As for portability, i was looking at the Sony MZ-E33.. which is reasonably
priced, and uses atrac-4, apparently.. it has the good headphone amp in it
that the original recorder has - i need it to drive some beefy sennheisers
:)

Good things and bad things about the Sony brand -- they finally had the
good sense to implement this AVLS (Automatic Volume Limiting System) for
most of these teenagers,etc. who listen to their "Walkmans"
(CD/tape/MD/radio portables) way too loud.  Then they got even smarter by
implementing an "On/Off" switch for this same AVLS ;-)  That's why I
avoided Sony for so many years...

I've heard a few things about it tho - it only has a 10 second anti-shock
memory, and apparently this model is more susceptible to shocks than
others.. does anyone own one, and go running with it? find any problems?

I love going running with my walkman - it's got this hand grip attached to
it so in case I stumble or what have you, the thing won't immediately go
crashing to the ground.  Until Sony, etc. comes out with a "sports" MD
walkman, I'm afraid that's what'll happen as soon as I step out of the
store...

For the home deck, i was gonna do the whole Sony thing and get the
MDS-JE330. As this is going to be something i'm looking at having for the
next 5 or more years, are there any technical limitations which this model
has which will piss me off in a year or so's time?

I went with a 320, that I'm sure is similar in some aspects -- but I can
tell you I wish I had spent the extra money and gotten at least a 520.  I
don't have a stereo/mono option, no remote, and no shuffle or repeat
options... just Record, Stop, and Play pretty much! :-b

Buying a CD deck without an optical out really ticked me off, but luckily
the shop is going to trade it up to one with an optical for about $120...

I'd bought my CD player long before even thinking about getting MD, and it
has no digital out at all.  I'm going to upgrade hopefully within the next
3-4 months though to one with digital out, and possibly this Technics model
5-disc changer with pitch control... it's only +/- 12% though.

the whole bundle, cd upgrade and everything, will come out at about
$1000..
which is a lot, and i dont intend to re-spend in a few years time.

My cost predictions would be as follows (sorry, these are USD$):  New CD
player:  $250; New MD player: $300; Portable MD player/recorder: $250; Good
Headphones: $100; 10 Sony/Maxell blank MDs: $25.  Gross Total: $925.  Texas
tax is 8.25%, so the Net Total would be $1001.32 and I know you're speaking
under AUS$1000, but this is only $1.32 over USD$1000  :-)

Any input will be appreciated.. Keep in mind, tho, that australia doesnt
have the largest range of .. well .. anything :)

Would it be probitively more expensive, because of shipping, to go by
mail-order? Er, or internet-order?

thanks a heap
nick

hopefully this helps!



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Re: MD: AVLS (was: equipment advice, regarding the future)

1999-07-30 Thread Alexander Dietrich


Does anyone ever actually use AVLS?  I've not ever seen the need or the
point of having a system that limits the volume - I can just about manage
that myself with the volume control, thankyaverymuch :)

Yeah, what I would like to see is an option to reduce hissing.
On a portable that's a very annoying thing at high volumes, IMHO

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Re: MD: AVLS (was: equipment advice, regarding the future)

1999-07-30 Thread Steven Brooks


er... not to be a smart ass, but isn't that Dolby B/C NR is for?  :-)

And another thing  an equalizer would be nice.  Those features, and
more, I'm sure will come in another year...



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Does anyone ever actually use AVLS?  I've not ever seen the need or the
point of having a system that limits the volume - I can just about manage
that myself with the volume control, thankyaverymuch :)

Yeah, what I would like to see is an option to reduce hissing.
On a portable that's a very annoying thing at high volumes, IMHO

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Re: MD: AVLS

1999-07-30 Thread David W. Tamkin


Simon Gardner asked,

| Does anyone ever actually use AVLS?  I've not ever seen the need or the
| point of having a system that limits the volume - I can just about manage
| that myself with the volume control, thankyaverymuch :)

It depends on how easy it is for the volume buttons to get pushed accident-
ally in your pocket or by other things you are carrying.  The irony here is
that units most subject to unintentional volume setting changes -- those with
protruding thumbwheel analog volume controls -- don't have AVLS.

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MD: changing pitch Xor tempo (was duplicating tracks and large buffers)

1999-07-30 Thread David W. Tamkin


Steven Brooks wrote,

| I believe I understand how the pitch control works (at least in theory),
| but how does the machine have separate controls for pitch and tempo?  If
| you change one you change the other

I wish someone else who knows this stuff better than I would explain; all
we've had so far is a post confirming Steven's error, unless there are posts
I haven't received.  So I'll take a stab at it:

In analog storage, pitch is determined by what fraction of a second passes
between oscillations in the waveform, so changing the playback speed alters
both the pitch as well as the tempo.  Some Sony units MD with pitch control
(like the JB920 and the W1) simulate tape by changing both together.

But in digital audio storage, tempo is determined by how many samples there
are between successive downbeats while pitch is determined by a number in the
data for each sample.  They're no more interdependent than, say, tempo and
volume.  The DRE1 keeps them separate; one can alter the tempo to move
smoothly into the beat of the next song without changing the pitch.

Likewise, the double-speed play on some portables does not change the pitch,
and if you make a track play at half-speed by marking stereo material as mono
or at double speed by marking mono material as stereo, you don't change the
pitch.

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RE: MD: changing pitch Xor tempo (was duplicating tracks and large bu ffers)

1999-07-30 Thread Wilson, Scott


In analog storage, pitch is determined by what fraction of a second passes
between oscillations in the waveform, so changing the playback speed alters
both the pitch as well as the tempo.  Some Sony units MD with pitch control
(like the JB920 and the W1) simulate tape by changing both together.

But in digital audio storage, tempo is determined by how many samples there
are between successive downbeats while pitch is determined by a number in
the
data for each sample.  They're no more interdependent than, say, tempo and
volume.  The DRE1 keeps them separate; one can alter the tempo to move
smoothly into the beat of the next song without changing the pitch.

Well, in DJ terminology pitch is the tempo.  I'm sure all the only thing the
MD player does is adjust the tempo of the music, not change the frequency.
However, my guess is that they don't have very good cueing functions, so
they wouldn't even really be very good for mixing music like real DJing CD
players.

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MD: MDCP moving left about 10 feet

1999-07-30 Thread Eric Woudenberg


Hi,

The web site at http://www.connact.com/~eaw/minidisc will begin
appearing at http://www.minidisc.org within about two days, then the
www.connact.com version will slowly be phased out over several
months. I'd like to publicly thank Rich Brennan, the site's owner, for
his efforts in making this move possible

The mirror sites will remain as they are, but take updates from the
new page at www.minidisc.org.

You can see a preview of the new site (identical to the old one) at
www2.minidisc.org.

As always, I thank all of you for your activity in the MD mailing list
and for the comments, suggestions, and helpful submissions you have
made over the years. Your effort continues to make the MDCP a resource
we can all be proud of.

Rick

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RE: MD: Pitch vrs. tempo. Not the same thing

1999-07-30 Thread Wilson, Scott


Yeah, well in DJing, tempo is commonly referred to as pitch.  You pitch up
or down to match the BPM for the next song.

Scott Wilson
Fab\Extr, x6544 

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Wilson, Scott wrote:
 Pitch and tempo are the same thing.  

Nope, they are different.  Pitch is the whether the notes of the song
are high and squeaky or low and growly.  Tempo is how fast the
individual note are played.  You can play a tune real slow, but at a
high pitch, and you can play it real fast at a low pitch.  

Pitch control just allows you to speed
 up or slow down the song so that you can match the BPM with the next song.

That, my friend is tempo, not pitch.

If you take a tape recorder or one of hte old vinyl records, you can
change the speed of the playback and it will change both the tempo and
the pitch.   

With Minidisc, if it is designed right, you can change them
independently.  (I think there are a few that don't but the better ones
will)  


 Plus or minus 12% is actually quite a bit of pitch control if your going
to
 mix, when I mix I make sure the songs BPM are within +/- 4%.  I'm
wondering,
 does the MD mentioned also having cueing features accurate to 1/100 of a
 second?
 
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RE: MD: Mi Minidisd market share is 20%

1999-07-30 Thread Wilson, Scott


I have recorded a few  concerts, but with the consent of the
performers.

Well, what fun is that.  You gotta bootleg it, then sell copies.

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MD: Pitch vrs. tempo. Not the same thing

1999-07-30 Thread J. Coon


Wilson, Scott wrote:
 Pitch and tempo are the same thing.  

Nope, they are different.  Pitch is the whether the notes of the song
are high and squeaky or low and growly.  Tempo is how fast the
individual note are played.  You can play a tune real slow, but at a
high pitch, and you can play it real fast at a low pitch.  

Pitch control just allows you to speed
 up or slow down the song so that you can match the BPM with the next song.

That, my friend is tempo, not pitch.

If you take a tape recorder or one of hte old vinyl records, you can
change the speed of the playback and it will change both the tempo and
the pitch.   

With Minidisc, if it is designed right, you can change them
independently.  (I think there are a few that don't but the better ones
will)  


 Plus or minus 12% is actually quite a bit of pitch control if your going to
 mix, when I mix I make sure the songs BPM are within +/- 4%.  I'm wondering,
 does the MD mentioned also having cueing features accurate to 1/100 of a
 second?
 
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Re: MD: Mi Minidisd market share is 20%

1999-07-30 Thread J. Coon


LAS wrote:
 
 "If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet?"
 
 Is that who makes your mandolin?? 

Nope, it's a Flatirn copy of the Gibson,  but that is another story.

 What about other classic guitar
 companies, like Martin?

They make nice guitars, but I don't care for their mandolins.  The ones
I have tried don't have very much volume. (Not very loud)


 
 I went to a Kingston Trio concert (you kids may have to look that name
 up).  Mike Shane kept breaking strings.  He went on to say that Martin
 custom makes their guitars and how great they are.  The he said something
 about them making really shitty strings though.

I love the KT, My kids grew up on it 'cause I had tapes they could
listen to.  Even got to take them to a couple of concerts in the last
few years.

 
 You know (to keep on topic) I had my old Sony MZ-1.  They had actually set
 up an extra row of chairs in front of the first row (long boring story)
 and we sat there.  We were very close to the stage.  I can't believe that
 I never thought of taking my MD recorder.

I have recorded a few  concerts, but with the consent of the
performers.  

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Re: MD: Mi Minidisd market share is 20%

1999-07-30 Thread LAS


"Wilson, Scott" wrote:


 Well, what fun is that.  You gotta bootleg it, then sell copies.

 Skipp

Then you spend 20 years in prison while some schmuck who killed 3 people
gets probation.  What a country!!

:LAS


 

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Re: MD: changing pitch Xor tempo

1999-07-30 Thread David W. Tamkin


Scott Wilson wrote,

| Well, in DJ terminology pitch is the tempo.

Sure, because with analog media all you can change is the playback speed,
which affects pitch and tempo proportionately.  But surely everyone here
knows the difference, even those who are disk jockeys.

| I'm sure all the only thing the
| MD player does is adjust the tempo of the music, not change the frequency.

The MDS-W1 (and, per people who own it, the MDS-JB920) changes both.  If
you set pitch control to -50%, the music plays half as fast and one octave
lower.  The MDS-DRE1 can change either or both.

| However, my guess is that they don't have very good cueing functions, so
| they wouldn't even really be very good for mixing music like real DJing CD
| players.

If you're talking about the DRE1, start by reading the manual (available on
the MDCP).  It has a whole array of cuing functions, which, not being a DJ, I
didn't fully understand.  I don't remember seeing mixing functions, though. 
If you're talking about home models with pitch control, then you guessed
right: they do not have advanced cuing operations for DJ work.

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Re: MD: Which is the BEST Mindisc Portable RecorderPlayer???

1999-07-30 Thread Dan Frakes


LAS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi. Where do you buy your 702?? I keep telling people to stay 
away from these units!! But same people look at the low price 
and then shut off their brains.

Or, those people use their brains, do some research, and find that the 
newer 702s (MK) don't seem to have the same problems as the older ones. 
They then realize that for $130 they're getting a pretty good deal.

And if you want to get into probabilities and expected values, assuming 
an average repair cost of $100, a machine for $130 that has a 20% chance 
of breaking down over the next year is still a better deal than a machine 
for $300 that has a 2% or 3% chance (and there is little evidence that 
the 702MK has anywhere _near_ a 20% failure rate, or that other brands 
are as low as 3%).

Sony has been a mixed bag. I really haven't seem to many 
problems with the R55. But Sony products other than the R55 have 
been know to be nothing but trouble. I own the original Sony 
portable MD recorder. (MZ-1). I had to return it twice during 
the warranty period.

You personally having trouble isn't the same thing as a brand being 
"known to be nothing but trouble." Sony's tend to be one of the more 
reliable MD portables.


Sorry, but if we're supposed to be here to help each other out, let's be 
objective about it.
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MD: Personal Request

1999-07-30 Thread Taylor Dunlap


PrinceGaz,

I don't know if you're being serious or not about users having "rocks in
their head" if they use any other "pretend" computer--namely those that
don't use Microsoft Windows--but, serious or not, it's really starting to
bother me. I know I could skip your posts (as I receive the digest
edition), but your seemingly uneducated bashing of alternative operating
systems is wy off topic, despite any comments concerning ES gear or
whatever MD-related comment that may be. Use what you like, but don't
criticize those who may prefer MacOS or BeOS.

Another thing that tends to grate on me is the fact that you keep referring
to Bill Gates as "God." I'm not gonna try and cram any religous foo down
your throat, but I hardly think Gates deserves that much respect. When it
comes right down to it he's a dork that has an uncanny ability to market
poorly written software to the majority of computer users. Quite
remarkable, though his business ethics make me want to vomit and take a shower.

I don't mind off topic posts in moderation, but this is ridiculous. I see
enough annoying Microsoft propaganda everyday at the office, and I could do
without someone advocating MS fud on a minidisc mailing list.

If you'd like to heed my request, thanks. If not, that's fine too. And if
you want to flame me, please email me personally as I don't want to clutter
the list with more off topic mails.

Sincerely,
Taylor


Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 18:01:33 +0100
From: "PrinceGaz" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: MD: Sharp MD-MS702 newbie

Rather than fuel the ES fire, I'll be more sensible and say anyone who uses
a Mac, Acorn series computer, or any other pretend home computer have just
as many rocks in their head as Linux or BeOS fools who at least had the
good sense to get a PC originally but went on to fill their HDs with c**p.

The jury is still out here on OS/2, I am very sad that v3 (Warp 3) flopped
but God's marketing machine hit it with a lightning bolt and what may have
become a much better home PC OS vanished into obscurity :-( I think it's
far too late for OS/2 to make a fight against the next Win 9x, apparently
codenamed "Windows Millenium" according to the online MS news. And 
I thought it might be called "Windows Zero" :-P

FYI- God= Bill Gates (MicroSoft)

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Re: MD: Sharp MD-MS702 newbie

1999-07-30 Thread Dan Frakes


"PrinceGaz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Guys, we're teetering on the brink of a fall back into the "ES" debate...

Oh, and this message is sure to avoid debate ;-)

Rather than fuel the ES fire, I'll be more sensible and say anyone who uses
a Mac, Acorn series computer, or any other pretend home computer have
just as many rocks in their head as Linux or BeOS fools who at least had
the good sense to get a PC originally but went on to fill their HDs with
c**p.

The man who calls Bill Gates "God" speaks of others having heads filled 
with c**p? ;-)

Gaz, you must have a big target on your back you like to flaunt...
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