MD: Sony MZ-E40 and trickle-charging
=== The original message was multipart MIME=== === All non-text parts (attachments) have been removed === Hi everyone! I own a Sony MZ-E20 portable MD player (MZ-E40 in the USA) and am using it with Sony rechargeable batteries. If I want to start the batteries charging, I press the STOP button until the display says "Charge". When the "Charge" indicator goes out. does this machine go into a "trickle-charge" or "sustaining charge" mode where a small amount of current is fed into the battery to finish off the charge cycle and prevent the battery self-discharging in the unit so it's ready for use when you want to go out? The battery pack I am using with it is the Sony BP-DM10 NiCd pack which is the NiCd equivalent of the BP-DM20 NiMH pack recommended for the MD Walkman. This is because I have been finding it hard to track down the BP-DM20 pack and will be eventually using that pack alongside the BP-DM10. With regards, Simon Mackay === MIME part removed : text/html; === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: JE520 transport mech repairs?
BEGIN QUOTE= My JE520 has finally bitten the dust, I'm afraid. In the last two days, it started to have problems reading inserted discs, then problems skipping tracks and finally, last night, when I tried to skip several tracks backwards, went bananas (rapid clicking from the transport) and refused to eject. Eventually, I had to power the unit off at the mains and remove the cover to extract the MD. What appears to be happening is that the small white plastic cogs on the lower level of the transport mechanism (which control the lateral movement of the read/write head) are slipping. This only seems to occur now when the head is required to move from right to left into the first third of the disc (say, skipping from Tr8 of 10 to Tr3). Of course, this restriction to movement doesn't prevent sequential playback of an entire disc, but it does prevent ejection (the head returns to the leftmost position) or TOC-writing after recording. Pretty fatal. ==END QUOTE= What you are dealing with is a "chassis" deck which could have parts that benefit other Sony models. If you look at or inside the 530; you would reckon that it would share most of the 520's parts and you may be able to use the common parts to do some elementary repairs on either of these decks. I would suggest not to scrap the 520 but to look towards buying a 530 or another secondhand 520 for your next MiniDisc deck. If a part common to either of these machines has bitten the dust and you need to replace it, you could use salvageable parts from the 520 for the other machine. Also, if you are an electronics "tinkerer" and are competent with the soldering iron, if you scrap electronic equipment; don't throw it in the garbage, but keep it for parts that you may use in your projects. WIth regards, Simon - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: JE520 transport mech repairs?
--- Simon Mackay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would suggest not to scrap the 520 but to look towards buying a 530 or another secondhand 520 for your next MiniDisc deck. If a part common to either of these machines has bitten the dust and you need to replace it, you could use salvageable parts from the 520 for the other machine. Er, yes - but that pre-supposes that [a] I want to part with more than 130gbp for a new deck, with the non-functioning JE520 as 'parts backup' and [b] that I've have any idea of how to perform a parts replacement on the new deck should *it* fail. As far as I could tell, these slipping cogs were only accessible if one dismantled the entire transport mechanism and even then I couldn't be sure whether it was a case of worn-down plastic parts or simply a screw come loose. if you scrap electronic equipment; don't throw it in the garbage, but keep it for parts that you may use in your projects. Perhaps I didn't make this clear, but I really had no intention of merely scrapping the machine (I imagine Sony would let me have the non-functioning deck back if they couldn't fix it - or perhaps not?), I was just canvassing on the subject of Sony repairs: how long, how much, etc. Anyway, this is all rather moot now. Richer Sounds sold me a Supercare Plan (30gbp) when I took the unit in and back-dated it to June '99 - hence I got a free loan machine (a slightly shabby JE500 with no remote or coax-in, but better than nothing) and the repair will also be free of charge. The JE500 actually seems a little more robust than the JE520 (the jog dial and loading mechanism in particular). I have to say, I'm not entirely confident that the JE520, when returned, won't fail in the same way again. If I do look at a new deck, it might be a JB9x0 model. Does anyone know if these units have a sturdier transport mechanism? Regards, Mike. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Napster
Hi guys, Bad news for all of use who find downloading mp3 files with Napster easier than converting to mp3 from our own legitimate CDs-- seem that from midnight Friday they may be shutdown apparently because the music industry believes it is used to steal copyrighted material. I very much doubt that ever happens- not by me anyway (ahem, cough, choke :-) So you'd best get online and steal all you ca... I mean get mp3s of your own discs quickly. Or something like that. I do not condone copyright infringement (said in a very unconvincing manner). Yours, ___ ___ | || | | o || o | | | Gareth Bell - [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | o || o | | | _ _ | | | o | | __ \ _ _ _ / ___| _ | O | | | | |__| )| __)(_)| _ \| __)| _ \ | | _ ( \|__ / | | | o | | ___/ | / | || | | || | | |_| | | | \ |/ _ | / _/ | O | | | | | | | | || | | || |__ | / | |_| || |_| |/ /__ | | | o | |_| |_| |_||_| |_||)|_) \_/|_||| | O | | || | | o || o | | | ICQ: 36892193 http://website.lineone.net/~princegaz/| | | o || o | | |"An it harm none, do what thou wilt"| | | o || o | |___||___| - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Napster
The music industry really should know better. IMHO MP3s are popular because a) music quality has been on a freefall for a while now (how many CDs will you confidently buy for the full price?) b) CDs are seriously overpriced (nowadays they don't even do enough marketing to make the price seem justified from their POV) c) the industry is unwilling to release everything everywhere (notice they could've made money), making people turn to MP3s instead of paying for imports. but hey, such is life... I guess? Another reason to make more money... :) Leon From: "PrinceGaz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 12:22:55 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MD: Napster Hi guys, Bad news for all of use who find downloading mp3 files with Napster easier than converting to mp3 from our own legitimate CDs-- seem that from midnight Friday they may be shutdown apparently because the music industry believes it is used to steal copyrighted material. I very much doubt that ever happens- not by me anyway (ahem, cough, choke :-) So you'd best get online and steal all you ca... I mean get mp3s of your own discs quickly. Or something like that. I do not condone copyright infringement (said in a very unconvincing manner). - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Napster
My suggestion to you all is that you get your hands on a copy of Napster as well as Napigator (http://www.napigator.com). This program allows you to access servers which are not operated by Napster, and are, therefore, out of the clutches of the RIAA lawsuit, for the moment. Adios, LarZ --- TAMA - The Strongest Name in Drums --- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of PrinceGaz Sent: Thursday, 27 July 2000 9:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:MD: Napster Hi guys, Bad news for all of use who find downloading mp3 files with Napster easier than converting to mp3 from our own legitimate CDs-- seem that from midnight Friday they may be shutdown apparently because the music industry believes it is used to steal copyrighted material. I very much doubt that ever happens- not by me anyway (ahem, cough, choke :-) So you'd best get online and steal all you ca... I mean get mp3s of your own discs quickly. Or something like that. I do not condone copyright infringement (said in a very unconvincing manner). Yours, ___ ___ | || | | o || o | | | Gareth Bell - [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | o || o | | | _ _ | | | o | | __ \ _ _ _ / ___| _ | O | | | | |__| )| __)(_)| _ \| __)| _ \ | | _ ( \|__ / | | | o | | ___/ | / | || | | || | | |_| | | | \ |/ _ | / _/ | O | | | | | | | | || | | || |__ | / | |_| || |_| |/ /__ | | | o | |_| |_| |_||_| |_||)|_) \_/|_||| | O | | || | | o || o | | | ICQ: 36892193 http://website.lineone.net/~princegaz/| | | o || o | | |"An it harm none, do what thou wilt"| | | o || o | |___||___| - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Revolutionary?
Eric Woudenberg wrote: Stainless Steel Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No. If you could take two Sony MZ-R1 units and put an ATRAC 4.5 ASIC in one of them, and record something on a Sharp MS-722, and play that disc back in both Sony units, both Sony units will sound identical. The ATRAC version in the player has no effect on playback quality. Differences in playback arise primarilly from differences in ATRAC tuning. It is my understanding that the numerical accuracy of the decode side of ATRAC has improved over the years. It is still possible that you are correct, in that the changes may be near the limit of audibility. Hi, BTW, does anybody know why ATRAC Version 1 sounded so bad (though not for me!) and why ATRAC Version 2 has improved a lot? Another BTW: on eBay, there are really nice pictures about the Sony DKR-700 Digital Still Recorder and the Sony DPA-300 Digital Still Recorder, both old, I know. see http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=392004386 and http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=392008506 I thought they are nice for the MDCP archive! wolfgang - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Revolutionary?
* Eric Woudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thu, 27 Jul 2000 | It is my understanding that the numerical accuracy of the decode side | of ATRAC has improved over the years. The decoder in the MZ-R1 is identical to the decoder in the other MZ-R1. All that has been changed is the encoder, which is not in the playback loop and thus has no effect on playback. And it helps to bear in mind that there is *NO* ATRAC encoder ASIC in a player-only unit, only a decoder, and ATRAC decoders have remained largely unchanged since Sony introduced it. -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ When not in use, Happy Fun Ball should be Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ returned to its special container and PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ kept under refrigeration. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: the idea of supporting a band by buying their CD. More on a donation-based mp3 music industry
Greg Conquest PS Still waiting to hear of any *viable* alternatives. How about sponsoring, Greg ? Just like sports players. []'s Flávio Moritz "Light fire with fire." - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Mini Disc to CD-R Transfer
I have the hardware one would need hooked to my computer (Sony MDS-PC2 with CAV50C, Maudio DIO 2448 (although 2496 is recomened) Sony Spressa CDX-120E USB CDRW). The problem is that no unified software exists. The MDS-PC2 is controlled by the"Minidisc Editor 2" program, while the Spressa CD recorder is controlled by the "CD Extreme" program. The user interface of each program is very different from the other and there is no easy way to get them to "talk" to each other. What I have done to date is to manually play each track from the MD using the "record" function of CoolEdit to create a WAV file for each track. Then drag the WAV files into CD Extreme. CD Extreme *does* allow you to title the tracks on the CD, but again, there's no easy way. I have to use the Windows clipboard to copy and paste each track title individually. (MD Editor 2 allows me to save the entire track list to a CSV file, but CD Extreme does not allow a "title" file to be imported.) As you can see, this whole process requires a *lot* of manual intervention. If Sony is reading this list, here is my wish list: 1) Better software integration. Merge CD Extreme and MD Editor 2 into a single program that controls both CDRW and MD. 2) Better MD - computer hardware interface. Right now I have a sound card with digital I/O and the CAV50C (supplied with the MDS-PC2) which uses up a serial port on the PC. Not to mention all the cables between the 'PC2 and the PC. All of this could be replaced by a USB jack on the MD, just like the one on the Spressa CD recorder! I know it would be a *big* job, but if someone has the time and would like to write better PC software, that would solve much of the problem. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Napster and my venting
Hi List, I totally agree with this the pay after you listen idea... How many times have you bought a $15 CD for "A" song you like, only to find the rest of the CD complete crap... I would bet the MONOPOLY recording industry puts $10 into their pocket on every CD sold in the US. Artist: $1.00(tops) Merchant: $2.00 Cost to press, print, produce: $2.00 That's $5.00, where is the other $10.00 going? Hmmm, funny how the government is busting up Microsoft because they don't saturate politicians pockets with "soft" money and entertainment like the "Entertainment/Recording/Consumer Electronics/Radio/TV/Advertising" Monopoly industry that exists. Microsoft is smart... They've got the new Palm Pilot, the X-Box is coming to kick the Video Game Industry's a$$. I don't see how smart business is bad business... What has the recording industry done for me? They've saturated the Media with sh|t music... Brittany Spears, BackStreet Boys, Eminem, Limp Bizkit (I don't care how PRO-Napster they are, they still suck), oh, I forgot about the whole Latin Explosion too, nothing against it, but I guess Ska was two summers ago and last summer was Brian Setzer and Swing... Whatever they want to market. The only radio I listen to is oldies, and that's if I'm too lazy to hook up my minidisc to take a quick drive across town. There's nothing I like more than watching an Indy Film, because the film industry sucks... Ok, Star Wars is an exception... How about those soundtracks... IE Mission Impossible II... Where in the heck are all those songs in the movie??? Soundtrack my butt, marketing more like it! I would love to give my favorite ARTIST's $10 or hell, even $20 for some good music... I don't want to put that money into the recording industry's pocket that isn't even backing that band since they aren't the newest cool thing of the moment... Oh yeah, band's don't even own the copyrights to their music anymore... They are works for hire, just like a computer programmer... That's real f(_)cking creative... I don't see how they are alike. Music is Art and is distributed over a medium as is any art... But, once again, the recording industry is making some more money on copyrights... And that is why they fear Napster, no money to be made there... I like the idea of MP3.com... I think the bank accounts of artists should be public as well... The guy with the most money in his account must have some good music if everyone is paying for it... And if the band is making a lot of money through touring, they could also show that the band is contributing a certain percentage to charity perhaps... Musicians that have a heart aren't greedy... Metallica can kiss my A$$... I'm taking all of my Metallica sh|t to the record store to trade in on some Grateful Dead Dick's Picks... Those guys did it right, and if Metallica had any gonads, they would stop worrying about Napster and go after the record industry... I still respect the hell out of Pearl Jam, they did the right thing by going after Ticketmaster which is a monopoly as well... But when the Congressman can call a venue and get choice seats the day before the show... Who's playing into who's pocket Again, soft money and entertainment... This Internet scares the government, because Heaven or the Powers that Be forgive informed people being able to make choices and cut the bureaucrats out of the loop... oh yeah, some entertainment: http://www.joecartoon.com/buddies/chaos/index.html Or goto: http://www.joecartoon.com Click Napster Bad! It's funny, and it is the truth about Metallica. Sorry to vent... Thanks for Reading... Oh yeah, can't forget my SPAM http://www.angelfire.com/md2/MDLink Online Minidisc Auctions... That other guy spams the list every other day, so I might as well too! Cheers, Link Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: JE520 transport mech repairs?
Wow - Richer Sounds backdated the warranty? That's bloody fantastic - did you have to haggle hard or did they just offer? Now no-one on this list will buy an extended warranty - you just wait till the thing breaks, then pay the extra! Amazing... Al -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Jones Sent: 27 July 2000 10:08 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MD: JE520 transport mech repairs? --- Simon Mackay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would suggest not to scrap the 520 but to look towards buying a 530 or another secondhand 520 for your next MiniDisc deck. If a part common to either of these machines has bitten the dust and you need to replace it, you could use salvageable parts from the 520 for the other machine. Er, yes - but that pre-supposes that [a] I want to part with more than 130gbp for a new deck, with the non-functioning JE520 as 'parts backup' and [b] that I've have any idea of how to perform a parts replacement on the new deck should *it* fail. As far as I could tell, these slipping cogs were only accessible if one dismantled the entire transport mechanism and even then I couldn't be sure whether it was a case of worn-down plastic parts or simply a screw come loose. if you scrap electronic equipment; don't throw it in the garbage, but keep it for parts that you may use in your projects. Perhaps I didn't make this clear, but I really had no intention of merely scrapping the machine (I imagine Sony would let me have the non-functioning deck back if they couldn't fix it - or perhaps not?), I was just canvassing on the subject of Sony repairs: how long, how much, etc. Anyway, this is all rather moot now. Richer Sounds sold me a Supercare Plan (30gbp) when I took the unit in and back-dated it to June '99 - hence I got a free loan machine (a slightly shabby JE500 with no remote or coax-in, but better than nothing) and the repair will also be free of charge. The JE500 actually seems a little more robust than the JE520 (the jog dial and loading mechanism in particular). I have to say, I'm not entirely confident that the JE520, when returned, won't fail in the same way again. If I do look at a new deck, it might be a JB9x0 model. Does anyone know if these units have a sturdier transport mechanism? Regards, Mike. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 22:57:52 +0100
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === Also, I get something that sounds like tape or vinyl crackle. Am I going mad? :-) Hello all! I was recording today the Limp Bizkit album to my MZ-R55, via the optical cable provided. It was done onto some gold-coloured Sony discs. Now, it's a 16 track album - so why the hell have I ended up with over 70 tracks?! I've only had the unit for 10months. Surely it can't be knackered already? Adios! - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: your mail
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === Are there any parts of the album where a track might pause for a second or so? On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Edd Farmer wrote: Hello all! I was recording today the Limp Bizkit album to my MZ-R55, via the optical cable provided. It was done onto some gold-coloured Sony discs. Now, it's a 16 track album - so why the hell have I ended up with over 70 tracks?! I've only had the unit for 10months. Surely it can't be knackered already? Adios! - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: none
* "Edd Farmer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thu, 27 Jul 2000 | Now, it's a 16 track album - so why the hell have I ended up with over 70 | tracks?! I've only had the unit for 10months. Surely it can't be knackered | already? Things that could be wrong: Bad original (I had that happen with the BÖC "Workshop of the Telescopes" collection a while back). Bad MD blank. Bad or loose interconnect. Maybe your recorder has... different taste in music than you? :) (No, I don't care for the band in question). There are a few other possibilities, but those are what I'd check first. -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ When not in use, Happy Fun Ball should be Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ returned to its special container and PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ kept under refrigeration. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Good Thought !
Think you may like this... "Good needs evil if it is to be able to manifest itself. Without evil, good will go to sleep, because there is nothing left to stimulate it. Evil excites good, stimulates good and good is then able to manifest itself. It is thanks to evil that good is good. If ugliness did not exist we would not know how beautiful beauty is. And in the same way, if there were no evil, we would not know good. If you want to annihilate evil, good will also be annihilated, because evil is like the roots of good and if you pull out these roots, the tree dies. Of course, this does not mean we should feed and strengthen evil. No, evil is strong enough already; it does not need us. But neither should we try to get rid of it, even if we could. What is important is to know which attitude to adopt towards it so that we may use it." Peter - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Edd's extra tracks
The Rodent wrote about all the extra track divisions Edd is getting, | There are a few other possibilities, but those are what I'd check first. Another one is that the source CD's tracks are subdivided with intra-track indices. The practice is rare, but the CD standard does support it, and I faintly remember reading ages and ages ago on either this list or its prede- cessor that in an S/PDIF transfer an MD recorder will start a new track at each intra-track index mark. What I'd really check first is trying to copy the CD to MD with a different MD recorder, preferably with a different CD player as well. If extra track marks show up in the same places, it's the CD. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Good Thought !
* "Peter Forest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thu, 27 Jul 2000 | Think you may like this... Not really. Try to at least make an attempt at staying on topic. -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ When not in use, Happy Fun Ball should be Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ returned to its special container and PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ kept under refrigeration. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Napster
I think that I have a solution to the MP3 controversy. The reason that people are not paying for the songs is because THERE IS NO WAY TO PAY!! What is the matter with the record companies?? Half of the music that is on Napster can't even be found anywhere!! It's not like you can go to Tower records and buy the CD. They don't have the songs. If they do, you'd have to buy a hundred CDs to get the hundred songs you want. Why don't the record companies start their own servers?? Or license someone to do it. They could either have a fixed price for each song. Or it could depend upon whether it was a new song or something old. For an old song, a nickel seems fair. For a new song, I don't know, 25 cents or so?? If you have no way of paying for something then how can it be stealing??? It's not stealing if there is no way to pay for it!! The record industry has to realize that the whole world is changing. Hell, all someone has to do is make arrangements with someone in some country that does not honor US or international copyrights and charge 5 cents a download. I don't see how you can stop someone from doing something like this when they are not bound by US law. The internet is international and as far as I understand, no one owns the internet. That was the same mistake that IBM made when they didn't buy DOS from Bill Gates. They couldn't stop people from making clones because the only thing in their PC that had a copyright or patent was the operating system and they didn't own it. If the person who started the internet had licensed the Web, he would be richer then Gates today. But I'm glad that he didn't. The internet is the last true democracy. All we need if the government sticking it's 2 cents into it and blanking the whole thing up. The internet is the just about the only thing that belongs to the people. People put Gates down all of the time. And I suppose that a lot of what he does is not very nice. But business is business. Stop paying the mortgage on your house and see how long you live there (or the taxes for that matter). No banks aren't nice either. They put people out into the streets and don't think twice about doing so. That's capitalism isn't it?? You build a better mouse trap and, well you know the rest. Regards, Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Napster
When are the fat-cat suits in the music industry going to realise that it's too late - the cat's out of the bag. Sooner or later they will have to stop fighting 'it' and start to use 'it' as a marketing tool... On "Why the music industry has nothing to celebrate" ... http://www.salon.com/tech/col/rose/2000/07/27/napster_shutdown/index.html GB - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Napster
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === OK, here is a question for you all then, if the RIAA is s against napster, why havn't they tried to ban news servers? they have been around a H*ll of a lot longer than napster and i am 110% positive more copyrighted material has been downloaded from news servers than napster can even think of. just my 2 cents :) I think that I have a solution to the MP3 controversy. The reason that people are not paying for the songs is because THERE IS NO WAY TO PAY!! What is the matter with the record companies?? Half of the music that is on Napster can't even be found anywhere!! It's not like you can go to Tower records and buy the CD. They don't have the songs. If they do, you'd have to buy a hundred CDs to get the hundred songs you want. Why don't the record companies start their own servers?? Or license someone to do it. They could either have a fixed price for each song. Or it could depend upon whether it was a new song or something old. For an old song, a nickel seems fair. For a new song, I don't know, 25 cents or so?? If you have no way of paying for something then how can it be stealing??? It's not stealing if there is no way to pay for it!! The record industry has to realize that the whole world is changing. Hell, all someone has to do is make arrangements with someone in some country that does not honor US or international copyrights and charge 5 cents a download. I don't see how you can stop someone from doing something like this when they are not bound by US law. The internet is international and as far as I understand, no one owns the internet. That was the same mistake that IBM made when they didn't buy DOS from Bill Gates. They couldn't stop people from making clones because the only thing in their PC that had a copyright or patent was the operating system and they didn't own it. If the person who started the internet had licensed the Web, he would be richer then Gates today. But I'm glad that he didn't. The internet is the last true democracy. All we need if the government sticking it's 2 cents into it and blanking the whole thing up. The internet is the just about the only thing that belongs to the people. People put Gates down all of the time. And I suppose that a lot of what he does is not very nice. But business is business. Stop paying the mortgage on your house and see how long you live there (or the taxes for that matter). No banks aren't nice either. They put people out into the streets and don't think twice about doing so. That's capitalism isn't it?? You build a better mouse trap and, well you know the rest. Regards, Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Napster
From: "Matthew Wall" [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK, here is a question for you all then, if the RIAA is s against napster, why havn't they tried to ban news servers? they have been around a H*ll of a lot longer than napster and i am 110% positive more copyrighted material has been downloaded from news servers than napster can even think of. just my 2 cents :) Cos the music industry sees Napster as a blatant music piracy tool-- you go online and download anything you fancy from anyone else while they do the same with your collection available. And the more anyone downloads, the more there is for everyone else next time. I got a bud who works for Trading Standards here in Britain, he's a good guy who is serious about his job and I think he'll have no regrets when Napster vanishes. I understand how he feels but Napster do not themselves do anything wrong, they merely provide the means to exchange information- if some of that info is material you have not paid for, napster are not to blame-- I'm certain that is in the Napster aggrement when you install it. Course the net is faster than these media moguls and I've already downloaded an altrnative prog thanks to someone who replied earlier, and if US bans Napster, wots the bet some European company wont do their equivalent. These servers don't really hold anything, just relay (vast amounts) of traffic, they could be set up anywhere. Just stick an advertising banner on it and politely ask peeps to click and Bob's your uncle :-) Hell, I heard Brunei does not even recognise copyright law and you can freely copy anything. Apologies for rambling, its 0445hrs in Britain. PrinceGaz. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Peter Forest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Think you may like this... "Good needs evil if it is to be able to manifest itself. Without evil, good will go to sleep, because there is nothing left to stimulate it. Evil excites good, stimulates good and good is then able to manifest itself. It (snip...) Peter I was expecting a funnmy comment about Sony and Sharp at the end here, still the philosophising about good and evil was interesting, and indeed true. PrinceGaz. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Napster NATIONAL BOYCOTT
I think that there should be a national boycott on buying prerecorded CDs and tapes. If the record industry's sales dropped by 25% or more, I think that they would be forced to have a change of heart!! Or should I say brain. I think that shutting down Napster is going to backfire on the music industry. Maybe when Metallash!t has to keep canceling concerts because they can't sell enough tickets, they'll have a change of heart too!! They are got to be lower then pond scum. Even lower then lawyers!!! (if you can get that low!!). They are suing their fans This has got to be a first. I think that they should be glad they can give their music away, let alone actually get paid for that crap (IMHO). Boycotts have worked in the past. When I was a little boy (a million years ago) living in NYC they started a boycott against s company called Judy Bond Clothes. They had shopping bags that said "Don't buy Judy Bond Clothes". There's no Judy Bond clothes anymore is there?? Regards, Larry Graham Baker wrote: When are the fat-cat suits in the music industry going to realise that it's too late - the cat's out of the bag. Sooner or later they will have to stop fighting 'it' and start to use 'it' as a marketing tool... On "Why the music industry has nothing to celebrate" ... http://www.salon.com/tech/col/rose/2000/07/27/napster_shutdown/index.html GB - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Napster NATIONAL BOYCOTT
From: "las" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think that there should be a national boycott on buying prerecorded CDs and tapes. If the record industry's sales dropped by 25% or more, I think that they would be forced to have a change of heart!! Or should I say brain. I think that shutting down Napster is going to backfire on the music industry. Maybe when Metallash!t has to keep canceling concerts because they can't sell enough tickets, they'll have a change of heart too!! They are got to be lower then pond scum. Even lower then lawyers!!! (if you can get that low!!). They are suing their fans This has got to be a first. I think that they should be glad they can give their music away, let alone actually get paid for that crap (IMHO). Boycotts have worked in the past. When I was a little boy (a million years ago) living in NYC they started a boycott against s company called Judy Bond Clothes. They had shopping bags that said "Don't buy Judy Bond Clothes". There's no Judy Bond clothes anymore is there?? Regards, Larry Right on, lets all stop buying CDs and more importantly, tell all our friends to stop buying them and why. If you really need some music use a Napster alternative (I bet in a matter of weeks the net will be flooded with napster type servers-- the music industry is playing a losing game thinking shutting down Napster will save them and if they haven't seen that they need their vision examined. Cmon, its happened with [my fave download type] classic arcade roms-- the giants shut down arguably *the* site for everything, now there is more than ever on numerous sites which sprang up in response to serve the demand-- all with everything the original main site had. By blowing one apart, the moguls created a dozen sites all doing the same. They may be a little harder to find but the extra bandwidth is helpful and when you find one, you've found them all cos they link to each other in true web culture. When will media giants learn they can't control the internet? They have to live with it and accept things are a little different here. I spend money on the net (like my 30gig drive I installed tuesday) but bullying by large corporations seriously p!sses me off and they're not gonna get any income through that! PrinceGaz. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Napster
On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, PrinceGaz wrote: Trading Standards here in Britain, he's a good guy who is serious about his job and I think he'll have no regrets when Napster vanishes. I understand how he feels but Napster do not themselves do anything wrong, they merely The problem here, is that when Naspter (the company) vanishes, Napster (the protocol, the program) remains. When the courts closed down Napsters main server, what happened? the service still runs, you just tell your napster program to use a different server, use OpenNapster, or whatever. Closing Napster (the company) solves nothing. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Napster
From: "Mark Derricutt" [EMAIL PROTECTED] The problem here, is that when Naspter (the company) vanishes, Napster (the protocol, the program) remains. When the courts closed down Napsters main server, what happened? the service still runs, you just tell your napster program to use a different server, use OpenNapster, or whatever. Closing Napster (the company) solves nothing. So arguably, you could move from a napster server to someone else who is supporting the Napster software thus meaning you don't even have to switch to a third party program? I know there are morality issues involved but please lets leave them to one side for now. Yours, PrinceGaz. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: MD: Napster NATIONAL BOYCOTT
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Re: MD: Napster NATIONAL BOYCOTT
From: "Ryan Hutson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.boycott-riaa.com/ More info on how to help fuel the boycott on the RIAA. I knew I would get some dubious info from thr RIAA site, but what I found at one point forced me to leave the computer in disgust. Most artists get bugger all of the cost of a disc, and for them to suggest otherwise is rubbish. They must think we have sh!t for brains. Sorry for getting angry but that RIAA website has seriously annoyed me. PrinceGaz - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
