date:20051030


Tom Scordato wrote:
I have a line on a 1982 240D that I may be interested in.  It has a turbo on 
it.  Owner who is the original says it was put on I believe after market.


1.  Any one have experience with this please.


All the reports I've had from mechanics (except for one ;-) say they 
destroy engines rapidly.


2.  Was the four banger designed to allow and run properly witht his type of 
adder.


NO!

I do not believe it was offered from the German factory but was put on later 
in 1982 as a kit?


That's correct. Mercedes was able to up power 50% by adding a turbo (80 
hp to 120 hp in the OM617 engine) with NO loss of longevity while the 
aftermarket turbos were limited to about 15% and engine longevity was 
seriously compromised. The turbo engines share VERY few parts with the 
non-turbo versions.



Any words of wisdom please.


There is a 240D turbo that's commonly available in India - uses 
appropriate turbo engine parts and I'm told they have more power than a 
non-turbo OM617 engine.


If you need more power than a 240D delivers, seriously consider a 300D.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] 1982 240D TURBO, YES TURBO

it would be aftermarket unless its a euro model.  Aftermarket turbos 
will blow the engine up sooner rather than later.


Tom Scordato wrote:
I have a line on a 1982 240D that I may be interested in.  It has a turbo on 
it.  Owner who is the original says it was put on I believe after market.


1.  Any one have experience with this please.

2.  Was the four banger designed to allow and run properly witht his type of 
adder.


I do not believe it was offered from the German factory but was put on later 
in 1982 as a kit?


Any words of wisdom please.

Regards Tom Scordato
Bellefonte PA 




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Re: [MBZ] 1982 240D TURBO, YES TURBO

2005-10-30 Thread Mike Canfield


Tom,
 I don't know much about it other than you should pass it up and tell me 
how to contact the owner right awayLOLOL..I loved my 240DA turbo 
would have made it near perfect!


Mike
- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Scordato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 5:51 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 1982 240D TURBO, YES TURBO


I have a line on a 1982 240D that I may be interested in.  It has a turbo 
on

it.  Owner who is the original says it was put on I believe after market.

1.  Any one have experience with this please.

2.  Was the four banger designed to allow and run properly witht his type 
of

adder.

I do not believe it was offered from the German factory but was put on 
later

in 1982 as a kit?

Any words of wisdom please.

Regards Tom Scordato
Bellefonte PA



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[MBZ] 1982 240D TURBO, YES TURBO

2005-10-30 Thread Tom Scordato

I have a line on a 1982 240D that I may be interested in.  It has a turbo on 
it.  Owner who is the original says it was put on I believe after market.


1.  Any one have experience with this please.

2.  Was the four banger designed to allow and run properly witht his type of 
adder.


I do not believe it was offered from the German factory but was put on later 
in 1982 as a kit?


Any words of wisdom please.

Regards Tom Scordato
Bellefonte PA

Re: [MBZ] learn something new everyday

I know the US 126's had it in 85, maybe 84, but didnt know 123's did.  I 
guess now we know.  I did notice both the 85 123's I have had both had 
little contact switches under the hood.  Guess now I know why.


Marshall Booth wrote:


Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

On my 85 300D, doors were locked with central locking via drivers door. 
 The passenger front door was not fully closed so didnt lock.  Went to 
open it and the horn starts going off.  WTF?  I have never heard of any 
123's with factory alarms.  Sure enough I checked the owners manual and 
its got a section on it.  I have NEVER heard of 123's with alarms 
before.  WOW.



It was an option in Euro cars, but I didn't know it was available in the 
US (it was in 126s).


Marshall


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Re: [MBZ] this is what lt don needs to speed up his 240D

On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 12:31:07 -0500 OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It's all in the gearing -- a nice new 7 speed auto would be nice
> behind it, if it could survive the torque. Wonder if it will bolt up
> to an auto tranny? I would probably do better in a 126 than a 123 -- -
> Don will still need to up grade!

The (almost) 1500 pound weight will be a problem, too.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] Working on the water pump - help needed

Well I've gone about it a different way. We don't have Kroil up here,
so I picked up some Gunk Liquid Wrench penetrating oil. Didn't help at
all, and the vise grips kept slipping off. I noticed that there's a
larger "ring" or housing that the water pump bolts to. I ended up
removing that and cleaning the grease off with a Castol motorcycle
metal cleaner. Worked wonders for the grease. Anyway, I also went out
and picked up a 1/8-1/4 screw extractor now that I can use my drill
without restriction. I'm going to try that next now that the part is
clean.

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 10/30/05, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My 123 isn't home to look at, but could you get the drill in there if
> you pulled the radiator? It's not much work now that you've drained
> the antifreeze. THere are also right angle adapters for drills, though
> I've never used one.

[MBZ] Vacuum switch levers...wow, what a difference!

I replaced the two levers in the vacuum switch on the valve cover of my
car, today.  They were both worn through.  I think this is the biggest
payoff I've ever gotten for a 10-minute repair.  Partial-throttle shifts
are much firmer, now, with no more flaring on the 2-3 upshift.  Judging
from the cams that operate the switches, and the hose routing, one of
these is supposed to soften shifts when the throttle linkage is at idle,
probably to avoid lurching when slowing to a stop.  With the lever worn
through, it was softening all the shifts, all the time.  This explains
why, before I did this, my tranny only really shifted right at idle and
at full throttle.

David Brodbeck
'83 300D Turbo

Re: [MBZ] Working on the water pump - help needed

2005-10-30 Thread Rick Knoble

Harry wrote

> Maybe, but I think I am going to give their SiliKroil a slight edge.  I
find
> myself reaching for that more and more.


I will have to give it a try. The graphite stuff looks promising too.
Rick Knoble
1985 300 CD

Re: [MBZ] I think I should trade up

2005-10-30 Thread Rich Thomas

I think I'm gonna make some drink holders for the wagon, maybe sell them 
for $15,000 apiece, use some matched veneer, etc.  "You too can enjoy 
the fabulous touches of the most elegant Mercedes on the road today."


--R

OK Don wrote:


Definitely, I think you should!

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Re: [MBZ] learn something new everyday


Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
On my 85 300D, doors were locked with central locking via drivers door. 
  The passenger front door was not fully closed so didnt lock.  Went to 
open it and the horn starts going off.  WTF?  I have never heard of any 
123's with factory alarms.  Sure enough I checked the owners manual and 
its got a section on it.  I have NEVER heard of 123's with alarms 
before.  WOW.


It was an option in Euro cars, but I didn't know it was available in the 
US (it was in 126s).


Marshall
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Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
Department of Pharmacology  1300 BST
Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA
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Re: [MBZ] this is what lt don needs to speed up his 240D


Looks like a great mid body engine placement option for an SLC

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1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

[MBZ] learn something new everyday

On my 85 300D, doors were locked with central locking via drivers door. 
 The passenger front door was not fully closed so didnt lock.  Went to 
open it and the horn starts going off.  WTF?  I have never heard of any 
123's with factory alarms.  Sure enough I checked the owners manual and 
its got a section on it.  I have NEVER heard of 123's with alarms 
before.  WOW.

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 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Gump muffler


Favorite Auto Parts Store

On Saturday, October 29, 2005, at 08:13 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote:

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:43:19 -0700 redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:



   So, just hitting FAPS will solve that issue with some glass pacs?
Then hitch up a new rear muffler.


FAPS?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Smoke on Start-up


Peter Frederick wrote:
The 603 is a notorious white smoker cold.  Run the GP ten seconds or so 
extra after the lamp goes out and this will help.  I let mine idle 
thirty seconds or so before putting it in gear, and drive very slowly 
until it stops rattling when starting off cold (on the assumption that 
letting the piston crowns heat up slowly is a good idea).


Peter correctly notes that the OM603.96 engine is notorious for white 
smoke in cold weather. 602 engines are not nearly as bad and 601 engine 
are considerably better yet than either of their bigger brothers about 
NOT smoking.


I believe there are several factors that contribute to this, but the 
main one is that the exactly the same power source and path (the 
resistance of the wiring to the relay) supply power to 4, 5 and 6 plow 
plugs. I suspect that the 6 plugs in the 603 engine simply don't get as 
hot as fast as the 4 plugs in a 601 engine (that draws only 66% of the 
current) or the 5 plugs in a 602 engine (that draws 83% of the current 
of a 603). There is also the fact that exactly the same starter and 
battery is turning these 4, 5 and 6 cylinder engines and the load on 
starter turning the 603 is greater than the load on the 602 or 601 
engine so the 603 engine WILL turn over somewhat more slowly!


With all of these engines, as the glow plug relay ages, the duration 
before the light shuts off declines as the capacitor in the timing 
circuit ages. This is NOT a linear phenomena and seldom appears in a 
regularly driven car before it reaches 12-15 years. In cars that are NOT 
driven for a period of time (months or years) the delay may be sudden 
and quite marked in even a relatively new car or even a car with a new 
relay. The failure usually occurs when the capacitor is NOT energized 
regularly (daily or weekly) and can happen to a NEW relay that sits on 
the dealer's shelf for months or years before being put into service. 
Glow plug relays (new or used) do NOT have a long shelf life.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Working on the water pump - help needed

2005-10-30 Thread Harry Watkins

Rick wrote

"This is the best. I have found no better penetrating oil. And remember
heat,
patience and time are your friends when working with broken bolts.
http://www.kanolabs.com/";

Maybe, but I think I am going to give their SiliKroil a slight edge.  I find
myself reaching for that more and more.

Harry Watkins
Newton, MS
86 SDL Silver
85 300D Euro
86 SDL Gold
81 240D manual trans

Re: [MBZ] Smoke on Start-up


Peter Arnold wrote:

Cool weather is here.

I note that my car fires very quick.  It seems to be blowing much more
smoke (White) than it did last year.  Runs fine.  G/P are about 20Kmi
old.


Allow the plugs to CONTINUE heating for 10-20 seconds after the dash 
light extinguishes. That will usually reduce/eliminate the white smoke 
when starting.


White smoke occurs when the temperature within the prechamber is 
insufficient to completely ignite the fuel soon enough. This can be 
because the plugs aren't hot enough (it takes 30 seconds for the plugs 
to reach their full heat of 1180 deg. C.) because the fuel is not 
sufficiently atomized (the spray pattern will deteriorate as injectors 
age) or because compression declines (that will happen to Mercedes 
diesels that are almost exclusively city driven as the rings carbon up). 
The quality of fuel is also an issue - especially when fuel is in short 
supply - fuel with higher Cetane ratings will smoke less (50 Cetane fuel 
will smoke less than 40 Cetane fuel). Those are the most common causes, 
but not an exhaustive list of possible causes.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] repair DVD?


Upon looking again I think its some generic something or other.

Russ Williams wrote:


Kaleb,

I know that the WIS is on DVD's not sure about the repair CD's.

Russ W.

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


Are the repair CD's coming out on DVD now?  Saw a 126 repair DVD on 
ebay, was just curious.






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Re: [MBZ] Auto Trans Fill Capacity


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Howdy -
Got a new AT filter kit from Rusty and will be changing the ATF to M1 pretty 
soon - how many quarts will I need?


For a 78 240D w/722.1 AT

Or, can I find the capacities on the net?


The fluid quantity of a 722.1 transmission in a 123.123 240D when the 
torque converter is drained and the filter is replaced is 4.8 liters (5 
qt). The total capacity for a dry system is 6.1 liters. Fill in 3 qt, 
then start and run the engine (to fill the converter) and shift thru the 
gears and add the remaining fluid. Finally check the fluid after driving 
for 15-20 minutes (so the fluid reaches full operating temp) finally.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Marshall can I use


Mike Piles wrote:

I'm going to replace the steering gear box soon.  way to much play.  So I
will not be adding fluid but totally replacing it.


It's unusual for the play to be in the box (if it's properly adjusted). 
Unless someone NEVER changes the PS fluid and filter or improperly 
adjusts the box, they usually last the life of the car.


Used steering boxes are available - there is little demand for them.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Auto Trans Fill Capacity

2005-10-30 Thread Peter Frederick

Typically 8 quarts for a 722.x if you drain the torque converter, 5 if 
you don't (although I would recommend draining it if you are changing 
to M1).


Peter

[MBZ] Pump Bolt

2005-10-30 Thread frederick w moir


Hi, All.
	There are external "easy outs" that grip the outside of the bolt that have 
worked okay for me. Heat the remains as much as possible and lots of Kroil, 
PB Blaster etc., a modicum of luck, and a clean and trouble-free 
installation can be yours. I'd also use some anti-seize on the cleaned up 
threads. YMMV.

Good Luck
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
(In the Rust Belt)
84 190D
85 190TD
87 190Dt

Re: [MBZ] Smoke on Start-up

2005-10-30 Thread Peter Frederick

The 603 is a notorious white smoker cold.  Run the GP ten seconds or so 
extra after the lamp goes out and this will help.  I let mine idle 
thirty seconds or so before putting it in gear, and drive very slowly 
until it stops rattling when starting off cold (on the assumption that 
letting the piston crowns heat up slowly is a good idea).


VW TDIs are worse.

Peter

Re: [MBZ] I think I should trade up

Definitely, I think you should!

On 10/30/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-600-Series-Mercedes-Benz-600-SWB-1971-Best-offered-in-over-20-year_W0QQitemZ4586235234QQcategoryZ6333QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> --
> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>   89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
>   84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
>   76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
> Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
>

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Norman, OK
'87 300SDL,  '81 240D,  '78 450SLC
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http://www.venganza.org/

Re: [MBZ] this is what lt don needs to speed up his 240D

It's all in the gearing -- a nice new 7 speed auto would be nice
behind it, if it could survive the torque. Wonder if it will bolt up
to an auto tranny? I would probably do better in a 126 than a 123 -- -
Don will still need to up grade!

On 10/30/05, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Notice that the engine peaks at 2300 RPM? This is not a good car engine.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> 256-656-1924
> www.kegkits.com

> Subject: [MBZ] this is what lt don needs to speed up his 240D
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-NIB-2003-Mercedes-MBE-900-MBE900-Engine_W
> 0QQitemZ4586126281QQcategoryZ50466QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> --

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'87 300SDL,  '81 240D,  '78 450SLC
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http://www.venganza.org/

Re: [MBZ] Working on the water pump - help needed

My 123 isn't home to look at, but could you get the drill in there if
you pulled the radiator? It's not much work now that you've drained
the antifreeze. THere are also right angle adapters for drills, though
I've never used one.

On 10/30/05, TimothyPilgrim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Problem is, I can't get a drill in front of this bolt to drill a pilot
> hole for the extractor. I may have to go with the heat and penetrating
> oil method first.
>
> Tim
> 1982 300TD Moby

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Re: [MBZ] NOW: reality, WAS: ADMIN, Everyone read

There are still some  SL specific posts - you're just jealous.

On 10/30/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well the SL and 108 lists are pretty pointless I guess, not much going
> on with them.
>


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Re: [MBZ] [Banned] I think I should trade up

2005-10-30 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel


Do they make cinderblocks in that size?

-MMM-

Re: [MBZ] repair DVD?

2005-10-30 Thread Russ Williams


Kaleb,

I know that the WIS is on DVD's not sure about the repair CD's.

Russ W.

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Are the repair CD's coming out on DVD now?  Saw a 126 repair DVD on 
ebay, was just curious.

[MBZ] repair DVD?

Are the repair CD's coming out on DVD now?  Saw a 126 repair DVD on 
ebay, was just curious.

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 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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[MBZ] this looks nice


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-TRUE-TIMECAPSULE-MERCEDES-240D-1-OWNER-DIESEL-300D-190D_W0QQitemZ4586206534QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts

[MBZ] I think I should trade up


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-600-Series-Mercedes-Benz-600-SWB-1971-Best-offered-in-over-20-year_W0QQitemZ4586235234QQcategoryZ6333QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
--
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts

Re: [MBZ] this is what lt don needs to speed up his 240D

Notice that the engine peaks at 2300 RPM? This is not a good car engine.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com



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Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 9:11 AM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: [MBZ] this is what lt don needs to speed up his 240D


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0QQitemZ4586126281QQcategoryZ50466QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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  84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
  76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Working on the water pump - help needed

On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:57:29 -0600 "Rick Knoble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> > Kroil? I take it that is penetrating oil?
> >
> > Tim
> > 1982 300TD Moby
> 
> This is the best. I have found no better penetrating oil. And remember
> heat, patience and time are your friends when working with broken bolts.
> http://www.kanolabs.com/
> 
> https://www.protoolsdirect.com/product.asp?sku=30469
> 
> http://www.paragon-products.com/product_p/aerokroil.htm

What he said. Accept no substitutes.


Craig

[MBZ] this is what lt don needs to speed up his 240D


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Re: [MBZ] charging problem, 560SEL

Obviously, a burned out charging light will cause that light to not come on
but I don't remember if it affects the others. Maybe another list member can
tell you.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 8:17 AM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] charging problem, 560SEL


so if the charging light is burned out it could cause the alternator to
not work right which would cause the other dash lights to not come on?

Tom Hargrave wrote:

> Kaleb,
>
> The initial alternator excite current comes through the charge light and
if
> the light does not come on then your charging circiuit will never work
> right. Some alternators will self start most of the time and I suspect
that
> the alternator you installed is one of these.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> 256-656-1924
> www.kegkits.com
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 1:50 AM
> To: Mercedes mailing list
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] charging problem, 560SEL
>
>
> Well I ended up swapping out the alternator and that solved the charging
> problem but my lights are still not coming on.  They are not burned out
> because after the engine was running turned on headlights to see if the
> light out indicator came on(have a headlight out) which it did.  What is
> it that is supposed to make all the lights come on before startup?
>
> Tom Hargrave wrote:
>
>
>>The battery light should come on and if not, your issue might be soemthing
>>as simple as a burned out charge (battery) bulb.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Tom Hargrave
>>256-656-1924
>>www.kegkits.com
>>
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
>>Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 1:14 PM
>>To: Mercedes mailing list
>>Subject: [MBZ] charging problem, 560SEL
>>
>>
>>Messing with my 560 again today.  Basically its not charging at all.
>>Put a different voltage regulator on it from another alternator I had
>>laying around and it made no difference.  Either both were bad(the
>>replacement regulator had longer brushes) or something else is my
>>problem.  I guess I will probably just have to swap out the whole
>>alternator.  I did notice however that when the key is turned on, and
>>before the engine is started, the only lights that come on in the
>>cluster is the o2 light and the SRS light.  None of the others, oil
>>level, coolant level, battery etc come on.  Im not sure exactly what the
>>deal is with that.  If the alternator was bad would it cause these
>>lights to not come on?  Or is there some other problem that doesnt allow
>>the lights to come on and also keeps alternator from charging?  Seems I
>>heard somewhere that if the battery light does not come on either
>>because its burned out or whatever the alternator will not charge.
>>
>>Thanks
>>--
>>Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>>  89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
>>  84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
>>  76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] charging problem, 560SEL

so if the charging light is burned out it could cause the alternator to 
not work right which would cause the other dash lights to not come on?


Tom Hargrave wrote:


Kaleb,

The initial alternator excite current comes through the charge light and if
the light does not come on then your charging circiuit will never work
right. Some alternators will self start most of the time and I suspect that
the alternator you installed is one of these.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 1:50 AM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] charging problem, 560SEL


Well I ended up swapping out the alternator and that solved the charging
problem but my lights are still not coming on.  They are not burned out
because after the engine was running turned on headlights to see if the
light out indicator came on(have a headlight out) which it did.  What is
it that is supposed to make all the lights come on before startup?

Tom Hargrave wrote:



The battery light should come on and if not, your issue might be soemthing
as simple as a burned out charge (battery) bulb.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 1:14 PM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: [MBZ] charging problem, 560SEL


Messing with my 560 again today.  Basically its not charging at all.
Put a different voltage regulator on it from another alternator I had
laying around and it made no difference.  Either both were bad(the
replacement regulator had longer brushes) or something else is my
problem.  I guess I will probably just have to swap out the whole
alternator.  I did notice however that when the key is turned on, and
before the engine is started, the only lights that come on in the
cluster is the o2 light and the SRS light.  None of the others, oil
level, coolant level, battery etc come on.  Im not sure exactly what the
deal is with that.  If the alternator was bad would it cause these
lights to not come on?  Or is there some other problem that doesnt allow
the lights to come on and also keeps alternator from charging?  Seems I
heard somewhere that if the battery light does not come on either
because its burned out or whatever the alternator will not charge.

Thanks
--
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Working on the water pump - help needed

2005-10-30 Thread Rick Knoble

> Kroil? I take it that is penetrating oil?
>
> Tim
> 1982 300TD Moby

This is the best. I have found no better penetrating oil. And remember heat,
patience and time are your friends when working with broken bolts.
http://www.kanolabs.com/

https://www.protoolsdirect.com/product.asp?sku=30469

http://www.paragon-products.com/product_p/aerokroil.htm

Rick Knoble
1985 300 CD

Re: [MBZ] "Special" trans fluid

2005-10-30 Thread Jwtdiesel

In a message dated 10/30/2005 2:19:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The double engagement fault happened (for me) always on the first start of 
the day. Back into the street, select D and the trans engages first gear 
normally, the car starts forward and then releases and immediately engages 
first 
again with a jerk. (No jokes, please). The dealer knew what to do right off 
the 
bat.

RLE/Seattle
What was the fix, and how much did the fix cost, if I may ask?




Thank you, Jay 
95 MB E300D 93K The new baby
83 MB 300D 241K The silver coffin
99 Mercury Sable wagon 24 valve 86K 
Cannondale SR500
Allentown,Pa.
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Re: [MBZ] Working on the water pump - help needed

Problem is, I can't get a drill in front of this bolt to drill a pilot
hole for the extractor. I may have to go with the heat and penetrating
oil method first.

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 10/30/05, Russ Maki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tim, if you get to the point where you *have* to use a screw extractor
> (sounds like you're approaching that point), use one like these:
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006HHNKC/104-9734127-1604705?v=glance&n=228013&n=284507&s=hi&v=glance
>
> I've broken off several of the Easy-Out type in stubborn screws -- in
> fact, some mechanics I know use them as an absolute last resort
> *because* of the likelihood that the tool will break off and leave you
> in a worse state than before you tried it.
>
> I have never failed to remove a broken screw with the obelisk style
> extractors like those shown in the photo. The one caveat is not to drive
> them too deep into the pilot hole you've drilled, as they'll press the
> threads of the screw tighter against the sides of the hole.
>
> Russ
>
>
>
>
> Craig McCluskey wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 00:15:18 -0400 TimothyPilgrim
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>PROBLEM:  The topmost water pump bolt sheared off when I attempted to
> >>loosen it.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Oops.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>There's about 3 mm protruding out of the block with the WP
> >>removed. I used a torch to heat the remaining bolts which may or may
> >>not have helped, but they came out okay. So what do I do to get that
> >>sheared bolt out?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Well, I'd start by heating that bolt, too, and, after it's cooled down,
> >use some Kroil and let it sit for awhile. Then use some more Kroil and
> >visegrips. With the visegrips, I'd gingerly rock it back and forth
> >(counterclockwise and clockwise) until it loosens up.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Or should I just say screw it, leave it, and put the new pump on?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I sure would not.
> >
> >
> >Craig
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Working on the water pump - help needed

Kroil? I take it that is penetrating oil?

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 10/30/05, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 00:15:18 -0400 TimothyPilgrim
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > PROBLEM:  The topmost water pump bolt sheared off when I attempted to
> > loosen it.
>
> Oops.
>
>
> > There's about 3 mm protruding out of the block with the WP
> > removed. I used a torch to heat the remaining bolts which may or may
> > not have helped, but they came out okay. So what do I do to get that
> > sheared bolt out?
>
> Well, I'd start by heating that bolt, too, and, after it's cooled down,
> use some Kroil and let it sit for awhile. Then use some more Kroil and
> visegrips. With the visegrips, I'd gingerly rock it back and forth
> (counterclockwise and clockwise) until it loosens up.
>
>
> > Or should I just say screw it, leave it, and put the new pump on?
>
> I sure would not.
>
>
> Craig
>
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Re: [MBZ] Smoke on Start-up

2005-10-30 Thread Tom Scordato

Peter, first try Italian tune up.  Get it out there on intersate  291, 91, 
or 84 and push it hard for 30 or 40 miles.  These cars love that.  See what 
happens.
I have a 77 300D that always smokes white on start up but runs fine and does 
not smoke once rolling good.


Regards Tom Scordato
Bellefonte PA
- Original Message - 
From: "Peter Arnold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 5:25 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Smoke on Start-up



Cool weather is here.

I note that my car fires very quick.  It seems to be blowing much more
smoke (White) than it did last year.  Runs fine.  G/P are about 20Kmi
old.

Thoughts?

--

Peter T. Arnold
Windsor, Connecticut
U.S.A.

1987 Mercedes 300SDL, 233 Kmi on Delvac1, changes when f-soot is 2%

1995 Ford F-250 W/PSD, 192 Kmi on Rotella @ 5 Kmi Changes

2002 PT Cruizer, 77 Kmi, Every 5 Kmi with what's on sale

1954 Metropolitan {My Hanger-Queen}

None use oil between changes, go figure ;-)

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[MBZ] Smoke on Start-up

2005-10-30 Thread Peter Arnold

Cool weather is here.

I note that my car fires very quick.  It seems to be blowing much more
smoke (White) than it did last year.  Runs fine.  G/P are about 20Kmi
old.

Thoughts?

--

Peter T. Arnold
Windsor, Connecticut
U.S.A.

1987 Mercedes 300SDL, 233 Kmi on Delvac1, changes when f-soot is 2%

1995 Ford F-250 W/PSD, 192 Kmi on Rotella @ 5 Kmi Changes

2002 PT Cruizer, 77 Kmi, Every 5 Kmi with what's on sale

1954 Metropolitan {My Hanger-Queen}

None use oil between changes, go figure ;-)

[MBZ] SLS spheres

2005-10-30 Thread Mitch Haley

What's the charge pressure on the 2.3-16V SLS accumulators?
Rusty's web page shows the same part number for 2.3-16V and S123 300TD,
a different part number from the S124 300TD.

Even if the spheres quickly die after I pump them up, I'd find out if the rest
of the system was functional if the refilled spheres worked temporarily. 
I'd feel much better about paying $200 for new ones if I knew the control valve
etc were functioning. 

Fortunately, ride height seems approximately correct (bottom edge line of doors
about 1-1.5 inch below rear hub centerline).

[MBZ] "Special" trans fluid

2005-10-30 Thread RELNGSON

<>


The double engagement fault happened (for me) always on the first start of 
the day. Back into the street, select D and the trans engages first gear 
normally, the car starts forward and then releases and immediately engages 
first 
again with a jerk. (No jokes, please). The dealer knew what to do right off the 
bat.

RLE/Seattle

Re: [MBZ] charging problem, 560SEL

Kaleb,

The initial alternator excite current comes through the charge light and if
the light does not come on then your charging circiuit will never work
right. Some alternators will self start most of the time and I suspect that
the alternator you installed is one of these.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 1:50 AM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] charging problem, 560SEL


Well I ended up swapping out the alternator and that solved the charging
problem but my lights are still not coming on.  They are not burned out
because after the engine was running turned on headlights to see if the
light out indicator came on(have a headlight out) which it did.  What is
it that is supposed to make all the lights come on before startup?

Tom Hargrave wrote:

> The battery light should come on and if not, your issue might be soemthing
> as simple as a burned out charge (battery) bulb.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> 256-656-1924
> www.kegkits.com
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 1:14 PM
> To: Mercedes mailing list
> Subject: [MBZ] charging problem, 560SEL
>
>
> Messing with my 560 again today.  Basically its not charging at all.
> Put a different voltage regulator on it from another alternator I had
> laying around and it made no difference.  Either both were bad(the
> replacement regulator had longer brushes) or something else is my
> problem.  I guess I will probably just have to swap out the whole
> alternator.  I did notice however that when the key is turned on, and
> before the engine is started, the only lights that come on in the
> cluster is the o2 light and the SRS light.  None of the others, oil
> level, coolant level, battery etc come on.  Im not sure exactly what the
> deal is with that.  If the alternator was bad would it cause these
> lights to not come on?  Or is there some other problem that doesnt allow
> the lights to come on and also keeps alternator from charging?  Seems I
> heard somewhere that if the battery light does not come on either
> because its burned out or whatever the alternator will not charge.
>
> Thanks
> --
> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>   89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
>   84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
>   76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
> Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
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  84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
  76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] charging problem, 560SEL

Well I ended up swapping out the alternator and that solved the charging 
problem but my lights are still not coming on.  They are not burned out 
because after the engine was running turned on headlights to see if the 
light out indicator came on(have a headlight out) which it did.  What is 
it that is supposed to make all the lights come on before startup?


Tom Hargrave wrote:


The battery light should come on and if not, your issue might be soemthing
as simple as a burned out charge (battery) bulb.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 1:14 PM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: [MBZ] charging problem, 560SEL


Messing with my 560 again today.  Basically its not charging at all.
Put a different voltage regulator on it from another alternator I had
laying around and it made no difference.  Either both were bad(the
replacement regulator had longer brushes) or something else is my
problem.  I guess I will probably just have to swap out the whole
alternator.  I did notice however that when the key is turned on, and
before the engine is started, the only lights that come on in the
cluster is the o2 light and the SRS light.  None of the others, oil
level, coolant level, battery etc come on.  Im not sure exactly what the
deal is with that.  If the alternator was bad would it cause these
lights to not come on?  Or is there some other problem that doesnt allow
the lights to come on and also keeps alternator from charging?  Seems I
heard somewhere that if the battery light does not come on either
because its burned out or whatever the alternator will not charge.

Thanks
--
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
  89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
  84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
  76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] 1999 E320 rusted front spring mount?


Thats no joke.

redghost wrote:

I picked up GUMP for less than $120, and she has been a joy to drive.  
Sorry you got screwed by getting one of the less well built new 
mercedes.



On Saturday, October 29, 2005, at 07:22 PM, John Monocello wrote:


Sorry to make my presence here so short, but I am going to sell this 
piece
of shit car and move on. It will be my first and last mercedes. I hope 
the
rest of you do better than I did. I guess you don't always get what 
you pay

for...
John Monocello

On 10/29/05, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


John Monocello wrote:


Any chance Mercedes will cover all or part of the repair? Any


suggestions on


how to persuade them?


Carefully READ the factory warranty. That's ALL that Mercedes covers 
for

subsequent owners. Original owners MAY get a little extra coverage.
Check with your Mercedes dealer - if you have a GOOD relationship with
the dealer, they may offer SOME help.

Marshall
--
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Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
Department of Pharmacology 1300 BST
Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA
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Re: [MBZ] Bizarre-ness


go get it.

redghost wrote:


http://seattle.craigslist.org/zip/106736731.html  --FREE  71 220D

On Saturday, October 29, 2005, at 03:41 PM, Zeitgeist wrote:



I haven't see that one.

On 10/28/05, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Olympia, WA



On Friday, October 28, 2005, at 06:19 AM, Mike Canfield wrote:


Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel:
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Re: [MBZ] 115 package deal


Go for it dude.

redghost wrote:


I really need that tan interior

On Friday, October 28, 2005, at 06:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


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Re: [MBZ] NOW: reality, WAS: ADMIN, Everyone read

Well the SL and 108 lists are pretty pointless I guess, not much going 
on with them.


OK Don wrote:


Since you're getting picky about it,

This list is also for vergasser Mercedes cars as well - Kaleb
collapsed the lists into one, then broke out a few like SL and 108.
All Mercedes discussion is welcome here.

On 10/29/05, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


The Mercedes list is chartered (in sort of a Kaleb sort of way) to discuss
diesel Benz cars.



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Re: [MBZ] ADMIN, Everyone read


whatever

LT Don wrote:


How about if I reply on Banned?

On 10/28/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On the subject of name calling. It seems a few people think its
appropriate to call people names, and basically start flame wars. If
you want to do that, sign up for the banned list. On this list that is
not acceptable. I have been pretty much just letting it slide and let
things calm down on their own but no more. From this point forward, any
post that is flaming or name calling will cause the poster to be put on
immediate moderation status. In other words, their posts will have to
be approved before they are allowed to go to the list. Im not naming
any names at this point. We have already had one list member a few
weeks ago who didnt get the point to stop (dont even remember the
subject of the controversy now) and was put on moderation status. That
person didnt seem to like that and left. I dont like it either but will
do so to preserve the good fellowship of the list. Think before you
type. If you even think it may be not fitting for the list, just dont
post it.

Kaleb

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Re: [MBZ] 1999 E320 rusted front spring mount?


how many miles do you have on that thing?

John Monocello wrote:


Any chance Mercedes will cover all or part of the repair? Any suggestions on
how to persuade them?


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Re: [MBZ] Working on the water pump - help needed

2005-10-30 Thread Russ Maki

Tim, if you get to the point where you *have* to use a screw extractor
(sounds like you're approaching that point), use one like these:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006HHNKC/104-9734127-1604705?v=glance&n=228013&n=284507&s=hi&v=glance

I've broken off several of the Easy-Out type in stubborn screws -- in
fact, some mechanics I know use them as an absolute last resort
*because* of the likelihood that the tool will break off and leave you
in a worse state than before you tried it.

I have never failed to remove a broken screw with the obelisk style
extractors like those shown in the photo. The one caveat is not to drive
them too deep into the pilot hole you've drilled, as they'll press the
threads of the screw tighter against the sides of the hole.

Russ

Craig McCluskey wrote:

On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 00:15:18 -0400 TimothyPilgrim
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

PROBLEM: The topmost water pump bolt sheared off when I attempted to
loosen it.

Oops.

There's about 3 mm protruding out of the block with the WP
removed. I used a torch to heat the remaining bolts which may or may
not have helped, but they came out okay. So what do I do to get that
sheared bolt out?

Well, I'd start by heating that bolt, too, and, after it's cooled down,
use some Kroil and let it sit for awhile. Then use some more Kroil and
visegrips. With the visegrips, I'd gingerly rock it back and forth
(counterclockwise and clockwise) until it loosens up.

Or should I just say screw it, leave it, and put the new pump on?

I sure would not.

Craig

Re: [MBZ] Marshall can I use

2005-10-30 Thread Mike Piles

I'm going to replace the steering gear box soon.  way to much play.  So I
will not be adding fluid but totally replacing it.

Mike Piles

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Marshall can I use


But isn't part of the answer to first drain out the old ATF form the PS
unit?

Dwight Giles
1979 240D auto 244k + miles
1990 300D 2.5t 127K miles
Wickford, RI
Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co.
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Marshall can I use


>>
>> Absolutely! Especially great in cold weather.
>>
>> Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Working on the water pump - help needed

On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 00:15:18 -0400 TimothyPilgrim
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> PROBLEM:  The topmost water pump bolt sheared off when I attempted to
> loosen it. 

Oops.

> There's about 3 mm protruding out of the block with the WP
> removed. I used a torch to heat the remaining bolts which may or may
> not have helped, but they came out okay. So what do I do to get that
> sheared bolt out? 

Well, I'd start by heating that bolt, too, and, after it's cooled down,
use some Kroil and let it sit for awhile. Then use some more Kroil and
visegrips. With the visegrips, I'd gingerly rock it back and forth
(counterclockwise and clockwise) until it loosens up.

> Or should I just say screw it, leave it, and put the new pump on?

I sure would not.

Craig

[MBZ] Working on the water pump - help needed

So with the help of the new neighbourhood 10-year-old, I was able to
get 1/2 way done my water pump R&R. I picked up a new refurb from the
dealer today, test drove an R-500, and went  home to do the pump.

I eventually got all the accessory belts off. That AC unit is a real
PITA to loosen up! The water pump came off and coolant spilled
everywhere but I was smart enough to put a pan underneath first. Above
4-5 litres came out.

PROBLEM:  The topmost water pump bolt sheared off when I attempted to
loosen it. There's about 3 mm protruding out of the block with the WP
removed. I used a torch to heat the remaining bolts which may or may
not have helped, but they came out okay. So what do I do to get that
sheared bolt out? Or should I just say screw it, leave it, and put the
new pump on?

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

Re: [MBZ] Boston area cars for you to ignore

On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:56:08 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> http://boston.craigslist.org/car/107218482.html - 190Db
> This is tempting but I'd feel like a heel for driving it into the ground

Just what I've been looking for! Unfortunately, it's too far away (and is
in the rust belt).


Craig

Re: [MBZ] Special trans fluid

2005-10-30 Thread ned kleinhenz

Thanks Roger. That may be exactly the stuff I'm looking for. Have to check
my trans number to be sure.
What is double engagement? Sounds like the step before bigamy.
Ned Kleinhenz

Re: [MBZ] 1999 E320 rusted front spring mount?

2005-10-30 Thread Rick Knoble

Sell the POS and buy a newer w124. Maybe an E500? :) Then C'mon back...
Rick Knoble
1985 300 CD

> Sorry to make my presence here so short, but I am going to sell this piece
> of shit car and move on. It will be my first and last mercedes. I hope the
> rest of you do better than I did. I guess you don't always get what you
pay
> for...
>  John Monocello

Re: [MBZ] Million dollar rodbender

"Reserve not met" at that...

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 10/29/05, Rick Knoble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mersedes-Benz-S350TD-of-V-Ushenko-president-of-Ukraine_W0QQitemZ4585911385QQcategoryZ6336QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> Ukraine Ebay seller on crack...or million dollar cars bend rods too...or who 
> cares?
> No affiliation, ect.
> Rick Knoble
> 1985 300 CD

Re: [MBZ] Marshall can I use

2005-10-30 Thread degcoast

But isn't part of the answer to first drain out the old ATF form the PS 
unit?


Dwight Giles
1979 240D auto 244k + miles
1990 300D 2.5t 127K miles
Wickford, RI
Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co.
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Marshall can I use




Absolutely! Especially great in cold weather.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Gump muffler

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:43:19 -0700 redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>So, just hitting FAPS will solve that issue with some glass pacs?  
> Then hitch up a new rear muffler.

FAPS?


Craig

Re: [MBZ] Marshall can I use

Good to know. I just might do that to my own ride soon.

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 10/29/05, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mike Piles wrote:
> > Hi Marshall can I use Mobil 1 ATF as power steering fluid in my 1985 300SD.
>
> Absolutely! Especially great in cold weather.
>
> Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] charging problem, 560SEL

The battery light should come on and if not, your issue might be soemthing
as simple as a burned out charge (battery) bulb.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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Subject: [MBZ] charging problem, 560SEL


Messing with my 560 again today.  Basically its not charging at all.
Put a different voltage regulator on it from another alternator I had
laying around and it made no difference.  Either both were bad(the
replacement regulator had longer brushes) or something else is my
problem.  I guess I will probably just have to swap out the whole
alternator.  I did notice however that when the key is turned on, and
before the engine is started, the only lights that come on in the
cluster is the o2 light and the SRS light.  None of the others, oil
level, coolant level, battery etc come on.  Im not sure exactly what the
deal is with that.  If the alternator was bad would it cause these
lights to not come on?  Or is there some other problem that doesnt allow
the lights to come on and also keeps alternator from charging?  Seems I
heard somewhere that if the battery light does not come on either
because its burned out or whatever the alternator will not charge.

Thanks
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Re: [MBZ] Taxes too low?

redghost wrote:
> Need to pass all the 9xx initiatives.  Once there is no smoking, 
> wasteful spending and roads getting excessive funding, we can discuss 
> the correct way to appropriate funds, and spend them responsibly.

Another way we disagree.  I don't think enforcing no smoking rules is a
particularly efficient use of government resources.  There's nothing
stopping anyone from creating a smoke-free bar, casino, or bowling
alley, if there's really pent-up demand for such a thing.  I-901 is a
pretty clear example of unnecessary government intrusion, to me,
especially the part of the rule that bans smoking within 25 feet of
building entrances.  That makes property owners responsible for conduct
they can't really control, and would result in whole city blocks where
you couldn't smoke anywhere on the sidewalk.  It's ridiculous.

Re: [MBZ] Taxes too low?

Craig McCluskey wrote:
> For those of us in the dark, what are I-900 and I-912? Are they new
> interstate bypasses? Are they anywhere near I-5?

They're initiatives on the Washington ballot this year.  I-912
eliminates a fuel tax (currently 3 cents, due to eventually be phased in
to 9.5 cents, IIRC.)  I-900 requires performance audits of government
agencies.

[MBZ] Auto Trans Fill Capacity

2005-10-30 Thread l02turner


Howdy -
Got a new AT filter kit from Rusty and will be changing the ATF to M1 pretty 
soon - how many quarts will I need?


For a 78 240D w/722.1 AT

Or, can I find the capacities on the net?

My original AT died last year and I had installed a used AT - the shop that 
installed it put regular ATF and I need to go with M1 - had it in the orig 
AT and loved the way it shifted!


Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 78 240D)
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Re: [MBZ] Taxes too low?

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 19:06:28 -0700 David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> If your issue is mismanagement of funds, wouldn't it make more sense to
> vote for I-900, which requires audits?
> 
> It seems to me that saying, "I think some of this money isn't getting
> spent on projects I like, therefore I'll vote for I-912 ...

For those of us in the dark, what are I-900 and I-912? Are they new
interstate bypasses? Are they anywhere near I-5?


Craig

Re: [MBZ] 1999 E320 rusted front spring mount?

I picked up GUMP for less than $120, and she has been a joy to drive.  
Sorry you got screwed by getting one of the less well built new 
mercedes.



On Saturday, October 29, 2005, at 07:22 PM, John Monocello wrote:

Sorry to make my presence here so short, but I am going to sell this 
piece
of shit car and move on. It will be my first and last mercedes. I hope 
the
rest of you do better than I did. I guess you don't always get what 
you pay

for...
 John Monocello

 On 10/29/05, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


John Monocello wrote:

Any chance Mercedes will cover all or part of the repair? Any

suggestions on

how to persuade them?


Carefully READ the factory warranty. That's ALL that Mercedes covers 
for

subsequent owners. Original owners MAY get a little extra coverage.
Check with your Mercedes dealer - if you have a GOOD relationship with
the dealer, they may offer SOME help.

Marshall
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Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
Department of Pharmacology 1300 BST
Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA
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Re: [MBZ] Taxes too low?

Need to pass all the 9xx initiatives.  Once there is no smoking, 
wasteful spending and roads getting excessive funding, we can discuss 
the correct way to appropriate funds, and spend them responsibly.   
IIRC, the whore in charge was not sure the gas tax passed by the last 
bleeding heart was being spent properly, then she comes up with this 
plan, after saying "no new taxes"?


I will gladly obstruct waste and non representative taxation.  I am not 
against fully funding road use with a fuel tax.  If you are going to 
institute a tax, do it the right way, not by sneaking around and 
telling outright lies


On Saturday, October 29, 2005, at 07:06 PM, David Brodbeck wrote:


redghost wrote:

It is because the WDOT
gets cash and mismanages it, the legislature goes against the wishes 
of

the electorate, legislature is not held accountable for mismanagement
of funds and expected revenues will more than likely hit general fund,
and not transportation improvements.


If your issue is mismanagement of funds, wouldn't it make more sense to
vote for I-900, which requires audits?

It seems to me that saying, "I think some of this money isn't getting
spent on projects I like, therefore I'll vote for I-912 so *no* 
projects
get any money" is a bit counterproductive, to put it kindly.  I have 
yet

to see any I-912 supporter suggest a plan for the future, instead of
just being obstructionist.

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Re: [MBZ] 1999 E320 rusted front spring mount?

2005-10-30 Thread John Monocello

Sorry to make my presence here so short, but I am going to sell this piece
of shit car and move on. It will be my first and last mercedes. I hope the
rest of you do better than I did. I guess you don't always get what you pay
for...
 John Monocello

 On 10/29/05, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> John Monocello wrote:
> > Any chance Mercedes will cover all or part of the repair? Any
> suggestions on
> > how to persuade them?
>
> Carefully READ the factory warranty. That's ALL that Mercedes covers for
> subsequent owners. Original owners MAY get a little extra coverage.
> Check with your Mercedes dealer - if you have a GOOD relationship with
> the dealer, they may offer SOME help.
>
> Marshall
> --
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> Ass't Prof. (ret.)
> Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
> Department of Pharmacology 1300 BST
> Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA
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Re: [MBZ] 300SL History Channel

2005-10-30 Thread l02turner


http://store.aetv.com/html/product/index.jhtml?id=73502&browseCategoryId=&location=&parentcatid=&subcatid=

That program is available on DVD or VHS thru the "History Channel" website 
shop for $24.95.   They also have an excellent program on Porsche 911s if 
you're so inclined -


The DVD/VHS last ~20 minutes longer than the shows on TV.

Every Sat morning at 7am they air a show called "Automobiles" where a 
different major make is presented.


Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB)
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you wrote:<< the History channel this morn and saw a
special on the MB 300SL.  What a machine.  May have been on before and or
may becoming to a cable company near you.

Re: [MBZ] Taxes too low?

redghost wrote:
> It is because the WDOT 
> gets cash and mismanages it, the legislature goes against the wishes of 
> the electorate, legislature is not held accountable for mismanagement 
> of funds and expected revenues will more than likely hit general fund, 
> and not transportation improvements.

If your issue is mismanagement of funds, wouldn't it make more sense to
vote for I-900, which requires audits?

It seems to me that saying, "I think some of this money isn't getting
spent on projects I like, therefore I'll vote for I-912 so *no* projects
get any money" is a bit counterproductive, to put it kindly.  I have yet
to see any I-912 supporter suggest a plan for the future, instead of
just being obstructionist.

Re: [MBZ] Taxes too low?

Not really just because she stole the election.  It is because the WDOT 
gets cash and mismanages it, the legislature goes against the wishes of 
the electorate, legislature is not held accountable for mismanagement 
of funds and expected revenues will more than likely hit general fund, 
and not transportation improvements.  We voted for a number of 
transportation options and the PROCESS, ends up killing them long 
before we get construction.


The electorate no longer has faith in the elected, so we will vote down 
backdoor taxes and wholesale theft by governors, legislators, or county 
yahoos.


WE do not salt our streets, we just let the rain erode them.  More 
environmentally sane that way.


On Saturday, October 29, 2005, at 04:07 PM, David Brodbeck wrote:


redghost wrote:

If we citizens of lesser washington refuse to pay for road
improvements, the kalifonicators will leave or not bother to move 
here.


I'm sure all the people who are on the Alaskan Way Viaduct when it
collapses in the next earthquake will take comfort in that.

I'm against I-912 because I'm from Michigan.  I know how bad it can get
if you ignore your infrastructure.  The roads aren't going to magically
fix themselves if people decide they don't want to pay for them.

Of course, people who are pushing I-912 are doing so for reasons that
have nothing to do with transportation.  They're voting for it because
they didn't get the revote they wanted in the last gubernatorial
election, and they see this as a way of punishing Gregoire.  The ironic
thing is these are probably the same people who were calling Democrats
sore losers after the 2000 election.

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Re: [MBZ] Bizarre-ness


http://seattle.craigslist.org/zip/106736731.html  --FREE  71 220D

On Saturday, October 29, 2005, at 03:41 PM, Zeitgeist wrote:


I haven't see that one.

On 10/28/05, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Olympia, WA



On Friday, October 28, 2005, at 06:19 AM, Mike Canfield wrote:


Casey
Olympia, WA
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'87 300TD intercooler (210k)
'84 300D (205k)
Gashuffer:
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Re: [MBZ] Million dollar rodbender

You have to get this thing shipped to you from the Crimea.  Then have  
DOT upgrade it.  Maybe some old commie will bid on it, as a collector  
item.  Worth much more if yushenko caught a bullet


On Saturday, October 29, 2005, at 03:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

zero feedback, a million bucks for a benz thats probably worth 15K at  
best. I think someones smokin more than crack


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72 350SL   108,000 Miles
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1999 Mazda Miata


-Original Message-
From: Rick Knoble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 09:52:05 -0500
Subject: [MBZ] Million dollar rodbender


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mersedes-Benz-S350TD-of-V-Ushenko- 
president-of- 
Ukraine_W0QQitemZ4585911385QQcategoryZ6336QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Ukraine Ebay seller on crack...or million dollar cars bend rods  
too...or who

cares?
No affiliation, ect.
Rick Knoble
1985 300 CD
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Re: [MBZ] Gump muffler

  So, just hitting FAPS will solve that issue with some glass pacs?  
Then hitch up a new rear muffler.



On Saturday, October 29, 2005, at 10:21 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I believe it cancels out some of the sound vibration before it enters 
the rear muffler. On my VW it was just straight pipe with holes going 
through a muffler case


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72 350SL   108,000 Miles
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-Original Message-
From: redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:44:38 -0700
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gump muffler


Since it may not be needed, what exactly does the front muffler do?

On Thursday, October 27, 2005, at 09:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Clay,
 The front muffler isn't totally necessary and there will only be a
small difference in the noise level
Its usually just a matter of preference and of course a few extra
bucks for the center muffler if you choose to put a new one on. It
will fine without it




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Re: [MBZ] Replacement key head

Rusty Cullens wrote:
> How much do they want for one? It shouldn't be more than $16.00, that is
> what we sell them for. They work very well.

Looks like they have them for $10.40.  I thought I remembered it being
more than that.

Re: [MBZ] Special trans fluid


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

<,I want to change the automatic transmission fluid in a '95 E300D (W124 with
6 cyl diesel).
I remember a thread a few months (years?) ago about some updated ATF to use
in this model.
The newer stuff is supposed to avoid the characteristic delay, then clunk
when starting from a stop that these trannies develop. I've been using Mobil
1 ATF, but that doesn't help.
It is some official (and of course expensive) MB part, and IIRC it may the
the fluid used in later modles.
Anyone remember the part number or description? Can anyone vouch that this
stuff really helps?>>

When my '95 C280 was in it's first year, it developed a double engagement 
problem into first gear after having been in reverse. As part (or all of) the 
repair. The fluid came in a 5 liter container which was given to me with 1.5 
liters remaining. 


The part number for this fluid is: A 001 989 23 03 11.

The following is the English portion of the container label.

This ATF may only be poured into automatic transmissions 722.3/4/5 in the 
event of problem "double engagement jerk" and after first engaging "drive" mode 
D. This fluid may not be used for initial filling. Note: only pour in these 
five liters; top up with A 000 989 92 03.


Problem solved and did not return.


Double engagement is solved in fewer than 50% of the cases where the 
synthetic fluid is tried, but that's better than the alternative (which 
is a transmission valve body rebuild as I recall) according to the 
several mechanics I've talked to that have dealt with this problem.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] NOW: reality, WAS: ADMIN, Everyone read

Yea, but with Rgina constantly dragging Kleb upstairs for some quality time,
as she has done since her ravaging in FL, we need to downgrade his list
admin duties. I was trying to make it simple.

Kleb - ask me sometime about Deb and the FL hottub. Hint -- wives were
taking the husbands home.

Don

On 10/30/05, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Since you're getting picky about it,
>
> This list is also for vergasser Mercedes cars as well - Kaleb
> collapsed the lists into one, then broke out a few like SL and 108.
> All Mercedes discussion is welcome here.
>
>

Re: [MBZ] 115 package deal


I really need that tan interior

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Re: [MBZ] NOW: reality, WAS: ADMIN, Everyone read

My point was this -- if you want to avoid "why did you say that" then come
on over to Banned. On Banned, the question is this: Is that legal?

On 10/30/05, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Since you're getting picky about it,
>
> This list is also for vergasser Mercedes cars as well - Kaleb
> collapsed the lists into one, then broke out a few like SL and 108.
> All Mercedes discussion is welcome here.
>
> On 10/29/05, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > The Mercedes list is chartered (in sort of a Kaleb sort of way) to
> discuss
> > diesel Benz cars.
>
> --
> OK Don, KD5NRO
> Norman, OK
> '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC
> The FSM created the Diesel Benz
> http://www.venganza.org/
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Re: [MBZ] 1999 E320 rusted front spring mount?


John Monocello wrote:

Any chance Mercedes will cover all or part of the repair? Any suggestions on
how to persuade them?


Carefully READ the factory warranty. That's ALL that Mercedes covers for 
subsequent owners. Original owners MAY get a little extra coverage. 
Check with your Mercedes dealer - if you have a GOOD relationship with 
the dealer, they may offer SOME help.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] 1999 E320 rusted front spring mount?


John Monocello wrote:

I'm new to the list and am hoping someone has experience with this. I have a
1999 E320. It was raised in Texas, but spent last winter in Michigan. I was
getting it ready for winter and noticed that half of the front drivers side
top spring mount has rusted away where it meets the frame. I find this
puzzling because the car has not seen salted roads until last year and I'm
pretty thorough about maintenance and washing the undercarriage. The
passenger side looks fine.This is not what I expected from a $40k car.
Anyone know if this is a common problem?


Corrosion is a BIG problem with 210 chassis cars. Seems like Mercedes 
stopped galvanizing any metal when they introduced the 210.


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Re: [MBZ] NOW: reality, WAS: ADMIN, Everyone read

Since you're getting picky about it,

This list is also for vergasser Mercedes cars as well - Kaleb
collapsed the lists into one, then broke out a few like SL and 108.
All Mercedes discussion is welcome here.

On 10/29/05, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The Mercedes list is chartered (in sort of a Kaleb sort of way) to discuss
> diesel Benz cars.

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Re: [MBZ] Marshall can I use


Mike Piles wrote:

Hi Marshall can I use Mobil 1 ATF as power steering fluid in my 1985 300SD.


Absolutely! Especially great in cold weather.

Marshall
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[MBZ] NOW: reality, WAS: ADMIN, Everyone read

This topic has been discussed over and over and over and over ... and then
it was discussed some more.

This is REAL easy, dudes and dudettes.

The Mercedes list is chartered (in sort of a Kaleb sort of way) to discuss
diesel Benz cars.

The Banned list is chartered (way before Kaleb took charge) as a combination
frat house, political convention, and house of ill repute.

Mercedes should be discussion about cars. ... Banned is for everything else,
and then some.

If you want to be lewd, crude and socially unacceptable, come on over to
Banned. If you want to say something WITHOUT having to put "OT:" in the
front of the subject line, come on over to Banned.  If sailor language
like the "f" word offends you, stay away from Banned. ... If you want to
talk politics, come on over to Banned. ... And most importantly, if you are
in the market for a house in Claremore email Regina at her home address.

By the way, the "f" word need not be a part of your normal vocabulary to
belong to Banned. I do NOT talk that way. You only need to be able to read
it without freaking out.

Don
(retired sailor)

Re: [MBZ] ADMIN, Everyone read