Re: [MBZ] Diesel Convertible

[Luther]

I'd rather fit a OM603 into an SL chassis.  I love the coupe and all, but a 
diesel SL would be light years more fun:D

On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 16:46:09 -0600, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> http://tinyurl.com/y6ego7
>
> Wow, a 200hp, zero cylinder 300CD.
> Barrett's must not be experts on 617 engines.
> I wonder if the part about "only two made, Babbsie has
> the other one" is true.
>
>
>



-- 
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'87 300SDL (270,491 mi) head case?
'83 300SD (241 kmi)
'82 300CD (162 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) needs MAJOR engine work
'85 300D (280,176) parts car

Re: [MBZ] Wive's Preferences

[ts]

"My secret is the lesser of evils-36 years when first married I told my wife
that some men chase home young women-others bring old cars home. Consider
herself lucky. Worked."

Dwight that is good old Yankee reasoning if I ever heard it/Tom
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My secret is the lesser of evils-36 years when first married I told my 
wife

that some men chase home young women-others bring old cars home. Consider
herself lucky. Worked.


Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Bissell Cove
Wickford RI 02852
1979 240D
1990 300D 2.5t
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Convertible

[Mitch Haley]

http://tinyurl.com/y6ego7

Wow, a 200hp, zero cylinder 300CD. 
Barrett's must not be experts on 617 engines. 
I wonder if the part about "only two made, Babbsie has
the other one" is true.

Re: [MBZ] Which Coolant Is MB-like? Rad Incoming Hursty

[ts]

Gary Zerox G-05 is a light yellow almost clearish color I guess.  Around 
$11.00 a gallon at Pep boys or the MB blue which is about twice as much. 
You will need almost two gallons for a 50/50 mix with the 77 300D.  +/- GET 
THE AIR OUT!!!


Regards Tom Scordato
1989 240D 107K miles
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Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:28 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Which Coolant Is MB-like? Rad Incoming Hursty


So now that I've installed the new, new radiator (one that does not leak, 
thank you Gary/Rusty), I need to top it off with coolant and I'm out of MB 
collant. Which one do I buy at the McParts which goes with MB coolant?


Garyradiator incoming.  Rusty...didn't get top radiator hose with new 
radiator.


Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 164K
'87 Acura Legend  180K
Litchfield Park, AZ
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Re: [MBZ] Sigh....

[ts]

Bob I miss my 77 300D.  What started it all for me.  Was 42 years old when I 
bought it back late in 2002.  I had up until that time never drove any MB 
gasser or diesel in my life.

Funny you drive other cars and step back in the feeling you get.

Regards Tom Scordato 1979 240D, 107K
Maybe  1972 220D, 190K miles
Bellefonte PA
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Subject: [MBZ] Sigh



After having to drive the Acura ('87 Legend, 180K miles) for a week,
I am again amazed how much mo-better the ten year older MB 
feels/drives/rides/sounds/etc.


Bob Rentfro
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'87 Acura Legend  180K
Litchfield Park, AZ
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Re: [MBZ] 16 cylinders?

[Werner Fehlauer]

Larry et al:  You have to keep the question to cars, and AFAIK, 16 cylinders 
has been the practical limit.  Besides complexity and weight, there are too 
many parts to break, too many pieces to keep together with the correct 
clearances, and too much "windige" or frictional losses.  A big factor in 
the increased weight comes from making the thing stiff enough not to 
self-destruct.


You are correct - a V8 is about the best compromise for 
parts/power/smoothness.  A V6 comes close, but needs a balance shaft to be 
as smooth.  Now an in-line 6 is very smooth, but that comes at the cost of 
longer and heavier.  For simplicity and reliability, its hard to beat a 
4-banger, but then smoothness goes out the window.


But when you go beyond automobiles, then all bets are off - ALCO (American 
Locomotive) makes a dandy V18 that is used on a lot of RR engines, and the 
Coast Guard put 2 of them in their "Famous Class" WMEC270 Cutters.  Seemed 
to be reliable and smooth.  About 1500 HP each


Werner

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Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 16 cylinders?



Andrew asked:<< is there any engineering limit on the no. of cylinders>>
I'm just guessing here -- based on things I've read - but I think the 
limit
may have to do with the crankshaft flexing - the flat 12 Porsche used in 
the

917s of the early 70s had a seperate shaft that transmitted power from the
center of the crank - so the power was coming from the center and not the
end of the crank so the crank did not distort.

I need to read about the design of the 917 engine some more but that's 
what
I recall -- 


I don't recall any engines with more than 16 cylinders -
Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)

[MBZ] Diesel Convertible

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

A Moose Day link-

A few years ago I recall a thread on creating an MB diesel
convertible-well's an opportunity to own a rare one-

 

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/carlist/cardetails.asp?In_AuctionID=49
 &In_LotNumber=71 

 

Note who also owns one. 

Dwight

 

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.

Bissell Cove

Wickford RI 02852

1979 240D

1990 300D 2.5t

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes vs Toyota (crash pics)

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

Harry,
Sorry-I didn't make my point clear-according to Wikipedia, Cadillac did make
the V-16 but Lincoln did not as I earlier stated incorrectly.I recall
seeing Cadillac v-16's but not Lincolns.  Here is the link again:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac_V16_engine 

Dwight

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes vs Toyota (crash pics)

I beg to differ on that one, in 1930 Caddilac had a V16 called the Dual
Windshield Sport Phaeton. It had a 452 cid engine that made 165 hp with a 3
speed tranny. It was made built from 1930 to 1931 and cost $5,500 to
$10,000. Lincoln had a V12 before the V16 and it was built in 1932 as
Lincolns answer to the V16 Caddy. That one was called the Lincoln KB that
had a 7.34 liter V12 that made 150 hp with a 3 speed.  
 
Harry
69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles
72 350SL   118,000 Miles
2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata   
 
 
-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes vs Toyota (crash pics)


Not according to Wikipedia-see my earlier post

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
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Wickford RI 02852

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Lincoln made a V16 in 1931 or 1933 I believe and Caddy made one too  
 
Harry
69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles
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I forgot about the older stuff.  I was thinking of the Cizetta in
particular:
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2887200950074456788cssOBd
It was interesting.  Looked a lot like a Lambo, but had like 12 headlights
or some such odd thing.  Like 6 of them were pop-up units.

Levi

On 12/22/06, Dwight E. Giles, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Lincoln made a v-16, late 30's I think.
>
> Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
> Bissell Cove
> Wickford RI 02852
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Levi Smith
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:29 AM
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] mercedes vs Toyota (crash pics)
>
> Depends on the size of the V12.  If you're merely talking cylinders then I
> know there's a V-16.  I kinda think there's a V-18 or maybe a W-18 out
> there
> as well.  And then if you're not limited to cars there's more yet!  (:
>
> Levi
>
> On 12/22/06, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Is there anything bigger than a V12?
> >
> > On 12/21/06, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Actually the new S600 weighs in at over 5,000 pounds and thats with
> a
> > > V12
> > >
> > > Wasn't the original S600 (W140) more like 6,000#?
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes vs Toyota (crash pics)

[mykd1]

I beg to differ on that one, in 1930 Caddilac had a V16 called the Dual 
Windshield Sport Phaeton. It had a 452 cid engine that made 165 hp with a 3 
speed tranny. It was made built from 1930 to 1931 and cost $5,500 to $10,000. 
Lincoln had a V12 before the V16 and it was built in 1932 as Lincolns answer to 
the V16 Caddy. That one was called the Lincoln KB that had a 7.34 liter V12 
that made 150 hp with a 3 speed.  
 
Harry
69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles
72 350SL   118,000 Miles
2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata   
 
 
-Original Message-
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Sent: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes vs Toyota (crash pics)


Not according to Wikipedia-see my earlier post

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Bissell Cove
Wickford RI 02852

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Lincoln made a V16 in 1931 or 1933 I believe and Caddy made one too  
 
Harry
69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles
72 350SL   118,000 Miles
2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata   
 
 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] mercedes vs Toyota (crash pics)


I forgot about the older stuff.  I was thinking of the Cizetta in
particular:
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2887200950074456788cssOBd
It was interesting.  Looked a lot like a Lambo, but had like 12 headlights
or some such odd thing.  Like 6 of them were pop-up units.

Levi

On 12/22/06, Dwight E. Giles, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Lincoln made a v-16, late 30's I think.
>
> Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
> Bissell Cove
> Wickford RI 02852
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Levi Smith
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:29 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] mercedes vs Toyota (crash pics)
>
> Depends on the size of the V12.  If you're merely talking cylinders then I
> know there's a V-16.  I kinda think there's a V-18 or maybe a W-18 out
> there
> as well.  And then if you're not limited to cars there's more yet!  (:
>
> Levi
>
> On 12/22/06, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Is there anything bigger than a V12?
> >
> > On 12/21/06, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Actually the new S600 weighs in at over 5,000 pounds and thats with
> a
> > > V12
> > >
> > > Wasn't the original S600 (W140) more like 6,000#?
> > >
> > > Mitch.
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[MBZ] Sun visor clip?

[Richard Smith]

I need to buy a couple of sunvisor clips for my 87 300D. Does anyone know
where I can get them for a resonable price?

--
OK Richard 1987 300D 178k with miles and miles to go!!!
Midwest City, Oklahoma

Re: [MBZ] Which Coolant Is MB-like? Rad Incoming Hursty

[andrew strasfogel]

By "tad" do you mean 50 percent?

On 12/22/06, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


It's gone up a tad...

Bob R

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> MB antifreeze from Rusty was $9.00 last I checked (1999).
>
> On 12/22/06, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Ahh...10-4
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Rusty Cullens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:08 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Which Coolant Is MB-like? Rad Incoming Hursty
>>
>>
>> > It shipped separately.
>> >
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: "Bob Rentfro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>> > Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:28 AM
>> > Subject: [MBZ] Which Coolant Is MB-like? Rad Incoming Hursty
>> >
>> >
>> >> So now that I've installed the new, new radiator (one that does not
>> leak,
>> > thank you Gary/Rusty), I need to top it off with coolant and I'm out
of
>> MB
>> > collant. Which one do I buy at the McParts which goes with MB
coolant?
>> >>
>> >> Garyradiator incoming.  Rusty...didn't get top radiator hose
with
>> new
>> > radiator.
>> >>
>> >> Bob Rentfro
>> >> '77 300D 164K
>> >> '87 Acura Legend  180K
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Re: [MBZ] 16 cylinders?

[andrew strasfogel]

Leave it to the Brits to "engineer" a luxury car with an engine full of
thimble-sized cylinders capable of setting fire to itself via a fuel leak OR
inside the cabin via an airborne cigarette lighter!

On 12/22/06, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


peter wrote:<>

That must take a ot of the fun out of using the cig lighter!

ALso, Peter wrote:<>

This always amazed me - picture a V12 of 2 liters - very small, with
pistons
verging on thimbles - not really but you get the picture.  As an extension
to that thought - the 2L turbo charged engines of the 80s (?) made almost
1200hp (for a little while) with a displacement the size of a 2L Coke
Bottle!  Anyway, I found i interesting -

Take care --

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> There are practical limits -- epitomized by the 32 cylinder 4-row
> radial P&W 4360, the Wright 18 cylinder with three shaft coupled
> turbine Turbocompound on the Super Connie, and the Napier Nomad
> tubo-compounded diesel -- 12 cylinder horizontally opposed diesel with
> 8 atmospheres (110 psi) boost from a coupled axial turbocharger.
>
> Turboprop engines and jets replaced these monsters pretty fast in the
> 50s -- way too hard to maintain and too expensive to operate (Pan Am
> never did find props that held up to the 4360, crashed at least two
> Boeing 377s due to prop failures, for instance).
>
> Rolls Royce bought Napier, and turned the turbocharger off the Nomad
> into the Rolls Avon/Conway jet engine, discarding the diesel (which
> should give you a hint of what the Nomad looked like!)
>
> There isn't any real reason except perhaps marketing to make anything
> with more than 8 cylinders.  V8's are easy to machine, quite reliable,
> reasonably smooth (12s are much better in the smoothness department,
> but see following), and easy to cool and fit into an engine
> compartment.  I cannot imagine what anyone would do with more than 250
> hp anyway  -- none of the driving I do would make it worth the excess
> fuel consumption for better acceleration!
>
> V12 and V16 engine usually have small cylinders (otherwise the engine
> become enormous) and the close spacing, lack of space in the engine
> compartment, and some notable failures to appreciate the cooling
> requirements have produced several recent V12 engines that produce LESS
> hp that the equivalent displacement V8 or L6 by the same manufacturer
> (Benz and Jaguar, specifically).  The extra hp from the 12 is so small
> compared to the weight that there is little improvement in performance,
> and they are both front heavy.  The Jag in particular has a nasty habit
> of running so hot that the fuel system develops leaks, causing a total
> loss fire more often than not.
>
> A late 80's 560 SEC will spank a late 80's Jag V12 with no trouble at
> all.  The cigarette lighter doesn't shoot into the rear seat and burn
> holes in the upholstery, either.
>
> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] 190D pics

[Peter Frederick]

I lost the ability to do carnival rides at the age of 17 or 18 -- 
nothing like lying on the ground for an hour trying not to heave to 
ruin the evening for everyone!


I think it's an inner ear thing.

Peter

[MBZ] Sigh....

[Bob Rentfro]

After having to drive the Acura ('87 Legend, 180K miles) for a week, 
I am again amazed how much mo-better the ten year older MB 
feels/drives/rides/sounds/etc.

Bob Rentfro
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> < latch fully. I attribute this to the quality of sealing around the doors.>>
>
Just like a '50s VW beetle.

RLE
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Re: [MBZ] Which Coolant Is MB-like? Rad Incoming Hursty

[Bob Rentfro]

It's gone up a tad...

Bob R

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MB antifreeze from Rusty was $9.00 last I checked (1999).

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Ahh...10-4


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> It shipped separately.
>
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> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:28 AM
> Subject: [MBZ] Which Coolant Is MB-like? Rad Incoming Hursty
>
>
>> So now that I've installed the new, new radiator (one that does not
leak,
> thank you Gary/Rusty), I need to top it off with coolant and I'm out of
MB
> collant. Which one do I buy at the McParts which goes with MB coolant?
>>
>> Garyradiator incoming.  Rusty...didn't get top radiator hose with
new
> radiator.
>>
>> Bob Rentfro
>> '77 300D 164K
>> '87 Acura Legend  180K
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Re: [MBZ] 190D pics

[Bob Rentfro]

It's odd...I used to be able to do all the stuff...all the crazy rides at 
Six flags for example, reading or playing cribbage in the back of the van on 
the way to work. Then all of a sudden, I can't ride rides, I can't read in a 
moving car, I have to sit in the front seat...and all this happend almost 
overnight about 5 or six years ago. Wicked motion sickness baby puss.


Bob R


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Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:30 AM
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Another thing for me to be thankful of, I am decidedly not a hurler...
I'd swallowed a bunch of blood at some point in having my wisdom teeth 
out. My stomach objected.

Other than that I rarely yawn in technicolor.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 09:36:44 -0700
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I'm a "hurler" as the recovery nurse called me as I was coming to after
having my shoulder repaired. I was yacking every where.
Stopped several times on the way home to blow. When I had a hernia
repaired,
Dr. put some wicked dramimine type patch on me before they knocked me
out
and I yacked not upon coming to. I had to wear the patch for four days.
Hopefully they can patch me when they hack out my choppers...

Bob R

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Re: [MBZ] Which Coolant Is MB-like? Rad Incoming Hursty

[Bob Rentfro]

Autozone had it here...$10.99 a gallon.

Bob R.


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Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 9:42 AM
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zerex G-05 - available at NAPA (but not Autozone or Advance)

On 12/22/06, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


So now that I've installed the new, new radiator (one that does not leak,
thank you Gary/Rusty), I need to top it off with coolant and I'm out of 
MB

collant. Which one do I buy at the McParts which goes with MB coolant?

Garyradiator incoming.  Rusty...didn't get top radiator hose with new
radiator.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 164K
'87 Acura Legend  180K
Litchfield Park, AZ
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Re: [MBZ] 16 cylinders?

[LarryT]

peter wrote:>

That must take a ot of the fun out of using the cig lighter!

ALso, Peter wrote:<>

This always amazed me - picture a V12 of 2 liters - very small, with pistons 
verging on thimbles - not really but you get the picture.  As an extension 
to that thought - the 2L turbo charged engines of the 80s (?) made almost 
1200hp (for a little while) with a displacement the size of a 2L Coke 
Bottle!  Anyway, I found i interesting -


Take care --

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Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 16 cylinders?



There are practical limits -- epitomized by the 32 cylinder 4-row
radial P&W 4360, the Wright 18 cylinder with three shaft coupled
turbine Turbocompound on the Super Connie, and the Napier Nomad
tubo-compounded diesel -- 12 cylinder horizontally opposed diesel with
8 atmospheres (110 psi) boost from a coupled axial turbocharger.

Turboprop engines and jets replaced these monsters pretty fast in the
50s -- way too hard to maintain and too expensive to operate (Pan Am
never did find props that held up to the 4360, crashed at least two
Boeing 377s due to prop failures, for instance).

Rolls Royce bought Napier, and turned the turbocharger off the Nomad
into the Rolls Avon/Conway jet engine, discarding the diesel (which
should give you a hint of what the Nomad looked like!)

There isn't any real reason except perhaps marketing to make anything
with more than 8 cylinders.  V8's are easy to machine, quite reliable,
reasonably smooth (12s are much better in the smoothness department,
but see following), and easy to cool and fit into an engine
compartment.  I cannot imagine what anyone would do with more than 250
hp anyway  -- none of the driving I do would make it worth the excess
fuel consumption for better acceleration!

V12 and V16 engine usually have small cylinders (otherwise the engine
become enormous) and the close spacing, lack of space in the engine
compartment, and some notable failures to appreciate the cooling
requirements have produced several recent V12 engines that produce LESS
hp that the equivalent displacement V8 or L6 by the same manufacturer
(Benz and Jaguar, specifically).  The extra hp from the 12 is so small
compared to the weight that there is little improvement in performance,
and they are both front heavy.  The Jag in particular has a nasty habit
of running so hot that the fuel system develops leaks, causing a total
loss fire more often than not.

A late 80's 560 SEC will spank a late 80's Jag V12 with no trouble at
all.  The cigarette lighter doesn't shoot into the rear seat and burn
holes in the upholstery, either.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Automotive Calculations

[R A Bennell]

try "convert.exe" available on the net for free and does about all of it.

Randy

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Werner pointed out that a converter was missing from my list - haven't tried 
to search all the links to confirm his comment but he's probably right - so 
here's a link that does convert torque (Newton Meters to lb ft);

http://www.onlineconversion.com/  is also a very comprehensive list of 
conversion for all kinds of stuff -

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Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:39 AM
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> Larry - quite a list of conversions, but I didn't see Newton-meters to 
> lb-ft
> (torque)!
>
> Werner
>
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>
>
>>I found this webpage which provides all kinds of automotive related
>> conversion factors - mpg's, screw sizes, velocity, TSD etc.
>> http://www.csgnetwork.com/automotiveconverters.html
>
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Re: [MBZ] 16 cylinders?

[LarryT]

Andrew asked:<< is there any engineering limit on the no. of cylinders>>
I'm just guessing here -- based on things I've read - but I think the limit 
may have to do with the crankshaft flexing - the flat 12 Porsche used in the 
917s of the early 70s had a seperate shaft that transmitted power from the 
center of the crank - so the power was coming from the center and not the 
end of the crank so the crank did not distort.


I need to read about the design of the 917 engine some more but that's what 
I recall -- 


I don't recall any engines with more than 16 cylinders -
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Re: [MBZ] 16 cylinders?

[LarryT]

Not sure about a limit - but BRM (British Racing Motors) built a H16 in the 
60s.  The sound was awesome but it was too heavy making the F1 car it was 
installed in too slow to compete -


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But is there any engineering limit on the no. of cylinders?

On 12/22/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


VW also built the W12 for the Phaeton

Harry
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72 350SL   118,000 Miles
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1999 Mazda Miata


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So did GM(Cadillac), as recently as a one-off a couple years back at the
Detroit auto show.  The Volkswagen W-16,  Bugatti And then there was
Packard, etc..

Werner


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Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:38 AM
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> Lincoln made a v-16, late 30's I think.
>
> Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
> Bissell Cove
> Wickford RI 02852
>
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>
> Depends on the size of the V12.  If you're merely talking cylinders 
> then

I
> know there's a V-16.  I kinda think there's a V-18 or maybe a W-18 out
> there
> as well.  And then if you're not limited to cars there's more yet!  (:
>
> Levi
>
> On 12/22/06, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Is there anything bigger than a V12?


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Re: [MBZ] 16 cylinders?

[Peter Frederick]

There are practical limits -- epitomized by the 32 cylinder 4-row 
radial P&W 4360, the Wright 18 cylinder with three shaft coupled 
turbine Turbocompound on the Super Connie, and the Napier Nomad 
tubo-compounded diesel -- 12 cylinder horizontally opposed diesel with 
8 atmospheres (110 psi) boost from a coupled axial turbocharger.


Turboprop engines and jets replaced these monsters pretty fast in the 
50s -- way too hard to maintain and too expensive to operate (Pan Am 
never did find props that held up to the 4360, crashed at least two 
Boeing 377s due to prop failures, for instance).


Rolls Royce bought Napier, and turned the turbocharger off the Nomad 
into the Rolls Avon/Conway jet engine, discarding the diesel (which 
should give you a hint of what the Nomad looked like!)


There isn't any real reason except perhaps marketing to make anything 
with more than 8 cylinders.  V8's are easy to machine, quite reliable, 
reasonably smooth (12s are much better in the smoothness department, 
but see following), and easy to cool and fit into an engine 
compartment.  I cannot imagine what anyone would do with more than 250 
hp anyway  -- none of the driving I do would make it worth the excess 
fuel consumption for better acceleration!


V12 and V16 engine usually have small cylinders (otherwise the engine 
become enormous) and the close spacing, lack of space in the engine 
compartment, and some notable failures to appreciate the cooling 
requirements have produced several recent V12 engines that produce LESS 
hp that the equivalent displacement V8 or L6 by the same manufacturer 
(Benz and Jaguar, specifically).  The extra hp from the 12 is so small 
compared to the weight that there is little improvement in performance, 
and they are both front heavy.  The Jag in particular has a nasty habit 
of running so hot that the fuel system develops leaks, causing a total 
loss fire more often than not.


A late 80's 560 SEC will spank a late 80's Jag V12 with no trouble at 
all.  The cigarette lighter doesn't shoot into the rear seat and burn 
holes in the upholstery, either.


Peter

Re: [MBZ] 190D pics

[Black, Waylon]

A wisdom tooth without an opposing tooth WILL become erupted.

Just had upper roots and lower wisdom CUT out.

Upper broke, lower would not stop growing.

I turn 38 in January.

NEVER had a problem until recently.

Waylon Black
Little Elm, Texas

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Bob, hope your procedures go well.

The topic of wisdom teeth is of high interest to me, as I still have my 
two
lower ones at age 36. I had the top two pulled because they each had a
cavity. Am weighing the risks against the benefits of having the lower 
ones
pulled (you probably know that the lower ones are more risky).

I ask my dentist and oral surgeon if these two lower wisdom teeth will 
give
me trouble of any sort between now and my funeral. It's quite hard to 
get
any concrete answer (I'm just looking for their opinion, but I've run 
into a
lot of hesitancy to give opinions on the part of healthcare 
professionals).

Brian

Bob wrote:

let's see...I need three wisdom teeth cut out (snip)

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes vs Toyota (crash pics)

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

Not according to Wikipedia-see my earlier post

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
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Lincoln made a V16 in 1931 or 1933 I believe and Caddy made one too  
 
Harry
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I forgot about the older stuff.  I was thinking of the Cizetta in
particular:
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2887200950074456788cssOBd
It was interesting.  Looked a lot like a Lambo, but had like 12 headlights
or some such odd thing.  Like 6 of them were pop-up units.

Levi

On 12/22/06, Dwight E. Giles, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Lincoln made a v-16, late 30's I think.
>
> Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
> Bissell Cove
> Wickford RI 02852
>
> -Original Message-
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> On Behalf Of Levi Smith
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:29 AM
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] mercedes vs Toyota (crash pics)
>
> Depends on the size of the V12.  If you're merely talking cylinders then I
> know there's a V-16.  I kinda think there's a V-18 or maybe a W-18 out
> there
> as well.  And then if you're not limited to cars there's more yet!  (:
>
> Levi
>
> On 12/22/06, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Is there anything bigger than a V12?
> >
> > On 12/21/06, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Actually the new S600 weighs in at over 5,000 pounds and thats with
> a
> > > V12
> > >
> > > Wasn't the original S600 (W140) more like 6,000#?
> > >
> > > Mitch.
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] 16 cylinders?

[mykd1]

I'm sure there is a limit, you have to keep in mind the more cylinders there 
are the more complex the engine becomes. For all practical purposes I would say 
a V8 or even a V10 is more than enough to get the job done 
 
Harry
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But is there any engineering limit on the no. of cylinders?

On 12/22/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> VW also built the W12 for the Phaeton
>
> Harry
> 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles
> 72 350SL   118,000 Miles
> 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
> 1999 Mazda Miata
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 9:43 AM
> Subject: [MBZ] 16 cylinders?
>
>
> So did GM(Cadillac), as recently as a one-off a couple years back at the
> Detroit auto show.  The Volkswagen W-16,  Bugatti And then there was
> Packard, etc..
>
> Werner
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] mercedes vs Toyota (crash pics)
>
>
> > Lincoln made a v-16, late 30's I think.
> >
> > Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
> > Bissell Cove
> > Wickford RI 02852
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf Of Levi Smith
> > Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:29 AM
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> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] mercedes vs Toyota (crash pics)
> >
> > Depends on the size of the V12.  If you're merely talking cylinders then
> I
> > know there's a V-16.  I kinda think there's a V-18 or maybe a W-18 out
> > there
> > as well.  And then if you're not limited to cars there's more yet!  (:
> >
> > Levi
> >
> > On 12/22/06, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Is there anything bigger than a V12?
>
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Re: [MBZ] 190D pics

[andrew strasfogel]

Speaking of spines, has anyone had a microlumbar discectomy?  It involves
removing a crescent-shaped piece of vertebra to get at and remove whatever
(usually a piece of disc) is impinging on a spinal column nerve.  Supposedly
you're in and out in a matter of hours.  I may be a candidate for this
delightful sounding procedure to alleviate pain in my leg from just such an
impingement...



On 12/22/06, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Another thing for me to be thankful of, I am decidedly not a hurler...
I'd swallowed a bunch of blood at some point in having my wisdom teeth
out. My stomach objected.
Other than that I rarely yawn in technicolor.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 09:36:44 -0700
From: "Bob Rentfro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D pics
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
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I'm a "hurler" as the recovery nurse called me as I was coming to after
having my shoulder repaired. I was yacking every where.
Stopped several times on the way home to blow. When I had a hernia
repaired,
Dr. put some wicked dramimine type patch on me before they knocked me
out
and I yacked not upon coming to. I had to wear the patch for four days.
Hopefully they can patch me when they hack out my choppers...

Bob R

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Re: [MBZ] 16 cylinders?

[andrew strasfogel]

But is there any engineering limit on the no. of cylinders?

On 12/22/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


VW also built the W12 for the Phaeton

Harry
69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles
72 350SL   118,000 Miles
2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata


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Subject: [MBZ] 16 cylinders?


So did GM(Cadillac), as recently as a one-off a couple years back at the
Detroit auto show.  The Volkswagen W-16,  Bugatti And then there was
Packard, etc..

Werner


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To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] mercedes vs Toyota (crash pics)


> Lincoln made a v-16, late 30's I think.
>
> Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
> Bissell Cove
> Wickford RI 02852
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Levi Smith
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:29 AM
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] mercedes vs Toyota (crash pics)
>
> Depends on the size of the V12.  If you're merely talking cylinders then
I
> know there's a V-16.  I kinda think there's a V-18 or maybe a W-18 out
> there
> as well.  And then if you're not limited to cars there's more yet!  (:
>
> Levi
>
> On 12/22/06, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Is there anything bigger than a V12?


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Re: [MBZ] Which Coolant Is MB-like? Rad Incoming Hursty

[andrew strasfogel]

MB antifreeze from Rusty was $9.00 last I checked (1999).

On 12/22/06, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Ahh...10-4


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Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:08 AM
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> It shipped separately.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bob Rentfro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:28 AM
> Subject: [MBZ] Which Coolant Is MB-like? Rad Incoming Hursty
>
>
>> So now that I've installed the new, new radiator (one that does not
leak,
> thank you Gary/Rusty), I need to top it off with coolant and I'm out of
MB
> collant. Which one do I buy at the McParts which goes with MB coolant?
>>
>> Garyradiator incoming.  Rusty...didn't get top radiator hose with
new
> radiator.
>>
>> Bob Rentfro
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Re: [MBZ] mercedes vs Toyota (crash pics)

[mykd1]

Lincoln made a V16 in 1931 or 1933 I believe and Caddy made one too  
 
Harry
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-Original Message-
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Sent: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] mercedes vs Toyota (crash pics)


I forgot about the older stuff.  I was thinking of the Cizetta in
particular:
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2887200950074456788cssOBd
It was interesting.  Looked a lot like a Lambo, but had like 12 headlights
or some such odd thing.  Like 6 of them were pop-up units.

Levi

On 12/22/06, Dwight E. Giles, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Lincoln made a v-16, late 30's I think.
>
> Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
> Bissell Cove
> Wickford RI 02852
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Levi Smith
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:29 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] mercedes vs Toyota (crash pics)
>
> Depends on the size of the V12.  If you're merely talking cylinders then I
> know there's a V-16.  I kinda think there's a V-18 or maybe a W-18 out
> there
> as well.  And then if you're not limited to cars there's more yet!  (:
>
> Levi
>
> On 12/22/06, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Is there anything bigger than a V12?
> >
> > On 12/21/06, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Actually the new S600 weighs in at over 5,000 pounds and thats with
> a
> > > V12
> > >
> > > Wasn't the original S600 (W140) more like 6,000#?
> > >
> > > Mitch.
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] mercedes vs Toyota (crash pics)

[mykd1]

The S600 before this weighed in at a portly 6200 pounds, but it too had a V12 
with about 100 less hp 
 
Harry
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> Actually the new S600 weighs in at over 5,000 pounds and thats with a V12

Wasn't the original S600 (W140) more like 6,000#?

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] 190D pics

[Curt Raymond]

Another thing for me to be thankful of, I am decidedly not a hurler...
I'd swallowed a bunch of blood at some point in having my wisdom teeth out. My 
stomach objected.
Other than that I rarely yawn in technicolor.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 09:36:44 -0700
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I'm a "hurler" as the recovery nurse called me as I was coming to after 
having my shoulder repaired. I was yacking every where.
Stopped several times on the way home to blow. When I had a hernia 
repaired, 
Dr. put some wicked dramimine type patch on me before they knocked me 
out 
and I yacked not upon coming to. I had to wear the patch for four days. 
Hopefully they can patch me when they hack out my choppers...

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The V12 that I am refering too is in the 2006 S600 and its a 5.5 litre (336 
cid) makes 510 HP and 610 ft lbs of torque. Now here's the interesting stuff. 
It accelerates 0-60 in 4.2 sec's and runs the quarter in 12.6 at 115 mph. At 
2.5 tons its quicker than a Porsche 911 Carrera S, Chevy Corvette Convertible 
and a Ferrari 612. 
 
Harry
69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles
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Depends on the size of the V12.  If you're merely talking cylinders then I
know there's a V-16.  I kinda think there's a V-18 or maybe a W-18 out there
as well.  And then if you're not limited to cars there's more yet!  (:

Levi

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>
> Is there anything bigger than a V12?
>
> On 12/21/06, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > Actually the new S600 weighs in at over 5,000 pounds and thats with a
> > V12
> >
> > Wasn't the original S600 (W140) more like 6,000#?
> >
> > Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] 16 cylinders?

[mykd1]

VW also built the W12 for the Phaeton 
 
Harry
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Subject: [MBZ] 16 cylinders?


So did GM(Cadillac), as recently as a one-off a couple years back at the 
Detroit auto show.  The Volkswagen W-16,  Bugatti And then there was 
Packard, etc..

Werner


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To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] mercedes vs Toyota (crash pics)


> Lincoln made a v-16, late 30's I think.
>
> Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
> Bissell Cove
> Wickford RI 02852
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Levi Smith
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:29 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] mercedes vs Toyota (crash pics)
>
> Depends on the size of the V12.  If you're merely talking cylinders then I
> know there's a V-16.  I kinda think there's a V-18 or maybe a W-18 out 
> there
> as well.  And then if you're not limited to cars there's more yet!  (:
>
> Levi
>
> On 12/22/06, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Is there anything bigger than a V12?


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Re: [MBZ] mercedes vs Toyota (crash pics)

[Zeitgeist]

Hey, I also drive one of these...

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=175672&highlight=safety

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http://benzinsider.com/





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Re: [MBZ] Which Coolant Is MB-like? Rad Incoming Hursty

[Bob Rentfro]

Ahh...10-4


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Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:08 AM
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It shipped separately.

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Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:28 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Which Coolant Is MB-like? Rad Incoming Hursty



So now that I've installed the new, new radiator (one that does not leak,

thank you Gary/Rusty), I need to top it off with coolant and I'm out of MB
collant. Which one do I buy at the McParts which goes with MB coolant?


Garyradiator incoming.  Rusty...didn't get top radiator hose with new

radiator.


Bob Rentfro
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Re: [MBZ] Which Coolant Is MB-like? Rad Incoming Hursty

[Sunil Hari]

of course, the zerex is $12/gallon and the mb stuff is now about $24.
hurts.

On 12/22/06, Rusty Cullens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


It shipped separately.

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Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:28 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Which Coolant Is MB-like? Rad Incoming Hursty


> So now that I've installed the new, new radiator (one that does not
leak,
thank you Gary/Rusty), I need to top it off with coolant and I'm out of MB
collant. Which one do I buy at the McParts which goes with MB coolant?
>
> Garyradiator incoming.  Rusty...didn't get top radiator hose with
new
radiator.
>
> Bob Rentfro
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Re: [MBZ] Which Coolant Is MB-like? Rad Incoming Hursty

[Rusty Cullens]

It shipped separately.

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> So now that I've installed the new, new radiator (one that does not leak,
thank you Gary/Rusty), I need to top it off with coolant and I'm out of MB
collant. Which one do I buy at the McParts which goes with MB coolant?
>
> Garyradiator incoming.  Rusty...didn't get top radiator hose with new
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>
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Re: [MBZ] correct name?

[John W. Reames III]

On Thu, 21 Dec 2006, Hendrik Riessen wrote:

> Depends on mood, not to worry the 123 loves having it's doors shut firmly.

The last door to be closed on a w210 must be shut firmly or it won't 
latch fully. I attribute this to the quality of sealing around the doors.

A w126 didn't mind firm closing, although properly adjusted doors don't 
need it. To my mind there is something WRONG about a car that won't let 
you shut the doors completely yourself (*cough*w140*cough*) ... why not 
just go all the way and make a johnnicab?

-j.

Re: [MBZ] 190D pics

[LarryT]

Hi Peter,
   Percocet is an amazing pain killer that helps a huge number of people 
though - the trick to taking it without dramatic side effects is to start 
slowly.  Being unable to focus is a pretty severe side effect - good thing 
you were at home in bed when you took them - in hindsight, taking 2 may have 
been too much - but at least they stopped the stone pain.   I've had kidney 
stones also - felt like I was dieing - I empathize and hope you don't have 
episodes very often.


I have chronic pain unrelated to stones and started at 1 perc a day - 
eventually ended at 4 of the 10/650 size a day - when the morphine pump was 
implanted we gradually reduced it to 4 Perc of 10/325 strength - the 325 
indicates the amount of acetomenphine in the pill which can be very bad for 
the kidneys when taken long term - total time for me is up to ~10 years. 
The morphine pump puts a continuous drip of morphine directly into my spine 
but I had to have it refilled monthly - to get better pain relief they 
changed it to Dilaudid which is more concentrated and the refills went to 
every 3 or 4 months - a big relief considering they had trouble finding the 
port and once made 7 attempts with the needle before finding it.  No fun at 
all.


The Dilaudid was a huge help in controlling pain and I have been able to 
gradually reduce the Percocets to 2/day and my kidneys thank me. ;-)


Now, I only have 1 or 2 "Bad" days/week where before it was 3-5 bad days a 
week.


They had me on Oxycontin for a while - but the criminal element makes that 
dangerous - some thugs were following people home and breaking in to steal 
it - Hillbilly Heroin it was called.   But it was a great pain killer - most 
effective when it was built up over time.


I hope the Kidney Stones are a rare event for you - it's amazing how much 
pain something so small can cause -


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I had a similar experience with Percocets a couple years back.  I had a
kidney stone (avoid these, they are not worth the trouble!) and the
doctor gave me some for pain.   The dispenser at the drug store asked
me if I took painkillers or narcotics of any kind, and I of course said
no, why do you ask?   He replied that I probably need to be in bed when
I took the Percocets, then.

 I had an "episode" at 5 am, finally gave in a took two at 5:30.
Within a minute I was comatose, woke up at 9:30 but couldn't focus both
eyes at the same time in the same place, and finally managed to get to
the phone at 10:00 and call in.

For the life of me I cannot understand why someone would call abusing
these things "recreational".  "Suicidal the slow way" is more like it,
who wants to be incapacitated?

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Which Coolant Is MB-like? Rad Incoming Hursty

[Bob Rentfro]

Donkey Shirts, Sunil

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zerex G-05 - available at NAPA (but not Autozone or Advance)

On 12/22/06, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


So now that I've installed the new, new radiator (one that does not leak,
thank you Gary/Rusty), I need to top it off with coolant and I'm out of 
MB

collant. Which one do I buy at the McParts which goes with MB coolant?

Garyradiator incoming.  Rusty...didn't get top radiator hose with new
radiator.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 164K
'87 Acura Legend  180K
Litchfield Park, AZ
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Re: [MBZ] Which Coolant Is MB-like? Rad Incoming Hursty

[Sunil Hari]

zerex G-05 - available at NAPA (but not Autozone or Advance)

On 12/22/06, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


So now that I've installed the new, new radiator (one that does not leak,
thank you Gary/Rusty), I need to top it off with coolant and I'm out of MB
collant. Which one do I buy at the McParts which goes with MB coolant?

Garyradiator incoming.  Rusty...didn't get top radiator hose with new
radiator.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 164K
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Litchfield Park, AZ
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Re: [MBZ] 190D pics

[Bob Rentfro]

I'm a "hurler" as the recovery nurse called me as I was coming to after 
having my shoulder repaired. I was yacking every where.
Stopped several times on the way home to blow. When I had a hernia repaired, 
Dr. put some wicked dramimine type patch on me before they knocked me out 
and I yacked not upon coming to. I had to wear the patch for four days. 
Hopefully they can patch me when they hack out my choppers...


Bob R

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Why are the lower ones more risky? The upper ones can allow a hole into 
your sinuses which is no fun.

A friend of mine had that and was laid up for a week or two over it.
I had 4 pulled when I was 21, no impaction to speak of. I could have 
driven home except we had to stop so I could throw up.

They gave me all 4 teeth in a little baggie.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 02:17:51 -0600
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Bob, hope your procedures go well.

The topic of wisdom teeth is of high interest to me, as I still have my
two
lower ones at age 36. I had the top two pulled because they each had a
cavity. Am weighing the risks against the benefits of having the lower
ones
pulled (you probably know that the lower ones are more risky).

I ask my dentist and oral surgeon if these two lower wisdom teeth will
give
me trouble of any sort between now and my funeral. It's quite hard to
get
any concrete answer (I'm just looking for their opinion, but I've run
into a
lot of hesitancy to give opinions on the part of healthcare
professionals).

Brian

Bob wrote:

let's see...I need three wisdom teeth cut out (snip)

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Re: [MBZ] Automotive Calculations

[Levi Smith]

Google does a lot of conversions too.  Though I couldn't get it to do
ft-lb/n-m's  (:

Levi

On 12/22/06, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Werner pointed out that a converter was missing from my list - haven't
tried
to search all the links to confirm his comment but he's probably right -
so
here's a link that does convert torque (Newton Meters to lb ft);

http://www.onlineconversion.com/  is also a very comprehensive list of
conversion for all kinds of stuff -

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> Larry - quite a list of conversions, but I didn't see Newton-meters to
> lb-ft
> (torque)!
>
> Werner
>
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>> http://www.csgnetwork.com/automotiveconverters.html
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[MBZ] Which Coolant Is MB-like? Rad Incoming Hursty

[Bob Rentfro]

So now that I've installed the new, new radiator (one that does not leak, thank 
you Gary/Rusty), I need to top it off with coolant and I'm out of MB collant. 
Which one do I buy at the McParts which goes with MB coolant?

Garyradiator incoming.  Rusty...didn't get top radiator hose with new 
radiator.

Bob Rentfro
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They were, after three (or was it four) making me blow chunksworse than
any cheap wine hammerfest I ever was on.
I'm back to alternating 1500mg tylenol wait 2 hours, then 800mg of motrin,
wait 2 hours repeat.

Bob R


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>
> Really? When I broke my wrist a couple years ago they gave me vicadin.
> My wrist hurt so bad it was hard to compose my thoughts enough to talk.
> The vicadin didn't take the pain away but put me into a place where I
> didn't care.
> It did take a long time to kick in though. I remember sitting in agony for
> about 30 minutes. Just as I got thinking "I NEED ANOTHER ONE"
> WHAM I was on my butt... Took 2 once, couldn't get out of bed for a day,
> had to crawl to the bathroom to pee...
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:16:09 -0700
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Re: [MBZ] Automotive Calculations

[LarryT]

Werner pointed out that a converter was missing from my list - haven't tried 
to search all the links to confirm his comment but he's probably right - so 
here's a link that does convert torque (Newton Meters to lb ft);


http://www.onlineconversion.com/  is also a very comprehensive list of 
conversion for all kinds of stuff -


Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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Larry - quite a list of conversions, but I didn't see Newton-meters to 
lb-ft

(torque)!

Werner

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   I found this webpage which provides all kinds of automotive related
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Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel Cold Weather Data Point

[Jim Cathey]

Its nice that the newer cars have the fuel-warming provision,


Even the old ones do, sort of.  The fuel in the return line is warmed
by its trip through the engine bits.  A little.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 190D pics

[Curt Raymond]

Why are the lower ones more risky? The upper ones can allow a hole into your 
sinuses which is no fun.
A friend of mine had that and was laid up for a week or two over it.
I had 4 pulled when I was 21, no impaction to speak of. I could have driven 
home except we had to stop so I could throw up.
They gave me all 4 teeth in a little baggie.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 02:17:51 -0600
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Bob, hope your procedures go well.

The topic of wisdom teeth is of high interest to me, as I still have my 
two
lower ones at age 36. I had the top two pulled because they each had a
cavity. Am weighing the risks against the benefits of having the lower 
ones
pulled (you probably know that the lower ones are more risky).

I ask my dentist and oral surgeon if these two lower wisdom teeth will 
give
me trouble of any sort between now and my funeral. It's quite hard to 
get
any concrete answer (I'm just looking for their opinion, but I've run 
into a
lot of hesitancy to give opinions on the part of healthcare 
professionals).

Brian

Bob wrote:

let's see...I need three wisdom teeth cut out (snip)

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Speaking of engines with 2 of everything 

http://www.kingofobsolete.ca/V12_GMC_KoO_WEBSITE.htm

-Curt

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I believe Cadillac did too (sp?).  Big, fuel hungry, weighed  WAY too 
much, as they were simply two straight 8's on an expanded common 
crankshaft -- twin ignition systems, twin carb systems, the whole 
works.  Hand start too, although Cadillac had an electric starter by 
then.

Overheated all the time, almost impossible to get the timing right, and 
not that much more power that the new design V8s that started appearing 
shortly after.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 16 cylinders?

[Peter Frederick]

I think that Packard did mostly, if not exclusively, V12s.  Same story 
as the V16s, though -- twin everything but crankshafts.


Peter

Re: [MBZ] mercedes vs Toyota (crash pics)

[Levi Smith]

I forgot about the older stuff.  I was thinking of the Cizetta in
particular:
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2887200950074456788cssOBd
It was interesting.  Looked a lot like a Lambo, but had like 12 headlights
or some such odd thing.  Like 6 of them were pop-up units.

Levi

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Lincoln made a v-16, late 30's I think.

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
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Depends on the size of the V12.  If you're merely talking cylinders then I
know there's a V-16.  I kinda think there's a V-18 or maybe a W-18 out
there
as well.  And then if you're not limited to cars there's more yet!  (:

Levi

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Re: [MBZ] mercedes vs Toyota (crash pics)

[Peter Frederick]

I believe Cadillac did too (sp?).  Big, fuel hungry, weighed  WAY too 
much, as they were simply two straight 8's on an expanded common 
crankshaft -- twin ignition systems, twin carb systems, the whole 
works.  Hand start too, although Cadillac had an electric starter by 
then.


Overheated all the time, almost impossible to get the timing right, and 
not that much more power that the new design V8s that started appearing 
shortly after.


Peter

Re: [MBZ] Biodiesel Cold Weather Data Point

[Curt Raymond]

Ernest,

I like your conclusions. I had similar symptoms when I first got my 190D this 
time last year.
It'd start and run but had no get up and go until the engine had warmed the 
fuel for awhile.
I bought the car in New Jersey in mid-December, it had been sitting for a few 
weeks. I think it had a tank of summer fuel in it.
Its nice that the newer cars have the fuel-warming provision, otherwise, add 
anti-gell and hope.
Once I'd run about 1/4 tank of good winter fuel through it (oh and a couple 
cans of purge) it was fine.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:51:57 -0800
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hi!

did a little experimenting recently and thought i'd share some of 
the observations for the benefit of any/all.

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I had a similar experience with Percocets a couple years back.  I had a 
kidney stone (avoid these, they are not worth the trouble!) and the 
doctor gave me some for pain.   The dispenser at the drug store asked 
me if I took painkillers or narcotics of any kind, and I of course said 
no, why do you ask?   He replied that I probably need to be in bed when 
I took the Percocets, then.

  I had an "episode" at 5 am, finally gave in a took two at 5:30.  
Within a minute I was comatose, woke up at 9:30 but couldn't focus both 
eyes at the same time in the same place, and finally managed to get to 
the phone at 10:00 and call in.

For the life of me I cannot understand why someone would call abusing 
these things "recreational".  "Suicidal the slow way" is more like it, 
who wants to be incapacitated?

Peter

[MBZ] 16 cylinders?

[Werner Fehlauer]

So did GM(Cadillac), as recently as a one-off a couple years back at the 
Detroit auto show.  The Volkswagen W-16,  Bugatti And then there was 
Packard, etc..


Werner


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Lincoln made a v-16, late 30's I think.

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
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Depends on the size of the V12.  If you're merely talking cylinders then I
know there's a V-16.  I kinda think there's a V-18 or maybe a W-18 out 
there

as well.  And then if you're not limited to cars there's more yet!  (:

Levi

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Is there anything bigger than a V12?

Re: [MBZ] Automotive Calculations

[Werner Fehlauer]

Larry - quite a list of conversions, but I didn't see Newton-meters to lb-ft 
(torque)!


Werner

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   I found this webpage which provides all kinds of automotive related
conversion factors - mpg's, screw sizes, velocity, TSD etc.
http://www.csgnetwork.com/automotiveconverters.html

Re: [MBZ] 190D pics

[Curt Raymond]

Really? When I broke my wrist a couple years ago they gave me vicadin.
My wrist hurt so bad it was hard to compose my thoughts enough to talk.
The vicadin didn't take the pain away but put me into a place where I didn't 
care.
It did take a long time to kick in though. I remember sitting in agony for 
about 30 minutes. Just as I got thinking "I NEED ANOTHER ONE"
WHAM I was on my butt... Took 2 once, couldn't get out of bed for a day, had to 
crawl to the bathroom to pee...

-Curt

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The prescribed vicadin is not cutting it...

Bob R

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Lincoln made a v-16, late 30's I think.

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
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Depends on the size of the V12.  If you're merely talking cylinders then I
know there's a V-16.  I kinda think there's a V-18 or maybe a W-18 out there
as well.  And then if you're not limited to cars there's more yet!  (:

Levi

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Re: [MBZ] mercedes vs Toyota (crash pics)

[Levi Smith]

Depends on the size of the V12.  If you're merely talking cylinders then I
know there's a V-16.  I kinda think there's a V-18 or maybe a W-18 out there
as well.  And then if you're not limited to cars there's more yet!  (:

Levi

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Is there anything bigger than a V12?

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Re: [MBZ] Oh Kaleb!

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I have been watching it.

TimothyPilgrim wrote:

And it's in OK.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-Diesel-300TD-12-1984-Mercedes-300TD-5-cyl-Turbo-Diesel-Wagon_W0QQitemZ300061775887QQihZ020QQcategoryZ6330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Re: [MBZ] 190D pics/choppers

[Bob Rentfro]

When I was 36 (a decade ago), I was wondering the exact same thing since 
none of my wisdom teeth were giving me any trouble. My dentist told me 
waiting/doing nothing was a crap shoot. He suggested pulling them at that 
time to prevent the misery I'm going through now.
If you are diligent about going to the dentist for your routine stuff he/she 
should be able to see if something is starting to go south and you can deal 
with it then. Then hopefully you won't have to get thre wisdom teeth cut out 
one impacted wisdom tooth hacked out, two root canals done, and a random 
extraction. Starting the day after Christmas it's a dental care marathon for 
me.

BTW...found out I'm one of the people who can't handle vicodin. Not pretty.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 164K
'87 Acura Legend  179K
Litchfield Park, AZ


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Bob, hope your procedures go well.

The topic of wisdom teeth is of high interest to me, as I still have my 
two

lower ones at age 36. I had the top two pulled because they each had a
cavity. Am weighing the risks against the benefits of having the lower 
ones

pulled (you probably know that the lower ones are more risky).

I ask my dentist and oral surgeon if these two lower wisdom teeth will 
give

me trouble of any sort between now and my funeral. It's quite hard to get
any concrete answer (I'm just looking for their opinion, but I've run into 
a
lot of hesitancy to give opinions on the part of healthcare 
professionals).


Brian

Bob wrote:

let's see...I need three wisdom teeth cut out (snip)
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Re: [MBZ] Wive's Preferences

[Bob Rentfro]

That must be that New England Common Sense.

Bob R.

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My secret is the lesser of evils-36 years when first married I told my 
wife

that some men chase home young women-others bring old cars home. Consider
herself lucky. Worked.


Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Bissell Cove
Wickford RI 02852
1979 240D
1990 300D 2.5t
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Re: [MBZ] mercedes vs Toyota (crash pics)

[andrew strasfogel]

Is there anything bigger than a V12?

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Wasn't the original S600 (W140) more like 6,000#?

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[MBZ] Xmas Cars

[TimothyPilgrim]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHIeH8wTWjI

Tim
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[MBZ] Automotive Calculations

[LarryT]

   I found this webpage which provides all kinds of automotive related 
conversion factors - mpg's, screw sizes, velocity, TSD etc.

http://www.csgnetwork.com/automotiveconverters.html

Enjoy -- HTHs

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Re: [MBZ] considering brake repair....

[LarryT]

Hi Allen,
As Loren suggested, it's pretty simple.  Even rebuilding the calipers is not 
very difficult.  Get the correct size Flare Wrench - I believe it's 11mm - 
Sears has a pack of 2 with the 4 most common sizes - they'll prevent damage 
to the flare nuts.  You must not split the caliper halves - the pistons will 
come out without splitting the calipers - remove the old o-rings and dust 
boots, clean everything using brake fluid or brake cleaner - avoid breathing 
the dust.  Inspect the pistons and bores - if they have gotten moisture in 
them there may be corrosion making the pistons difficult to move - which 
typically causes seizing.  Minor corrosion can be cleaned up with fine emory 
cloth - I use a fine wire brush in a bench grinder - the important thing it 
to not remove any base metal or the pistons will be ruined - same for the 
bores.  Too much aggressive cleaning and the calipers will need to be 
replaced.   Installation is (as Haynes like to say) the reverse of 
disassembly.  The only one likely to be difficult it the one already seized. 
Proceed carefully and you shouldn;t have any problems.  Feel free to write 
me directly if you wish.


Since all 4 need attention, put jack stands under each corner and work on 
one corner at a time.  once all 4 are done, refill the system with a quality 
brake fluid -- and bleed the brakes.   I like the blue ATE fluid but that a 
personal preference and any DOT4 will work  but alternating between the blue 
and regular makes the yearly flushing easier - when the color changes you 
know fresh fluid is at the caliper.


BTW, I'd replace all 4 rotors rather than machining the rears and replacing 
the fronts.  New rotors are not that much and some shops have old equipment 
that does not do the machining perfectly causing vibrations that never stop. 
true, it's unlikely, but the price of new rotors is pretty good - as low as 
$17 each for rear rotors.


Anyway - after completing one caliper rebuild you'll have plenty of 
confidence and the remaining 3 will go pretty quickly.  BYW, new bleed 
valves, pad pins and anti-rattle springs can be ordered from Rusty if yours 
are questionable - sometimes the bleed valves get screwed up when 
"mechanics" use vise grips to loosen them ---


Also, there are some "automatic/self bleeding" bleed valves which fit the 
MB - haven;t tried them yet but the concept is sound.  It makes one man 
bleeding easy - unless you have a pressure bleeder which means your bleeding 
will go quickly anyway -


Good luck - That $1000 will look good in your checkbook!!

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Argh -- screwed up my "from" email address on that last post.
Corrected now...

Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


Long time since I posted -- been busy, occasionally glancing at the
digests

Anyway, I just got a quote from my mechanic for about $1,400 for
complete brake replacement on my '83 300D.  He says 3 of 4 calipers
are leaking and the 4th is about to sieze.

Quote would include:
  4 rebuilt calipers
  new pads
  new sensors
  new front rotors
  resurface rear rotors
  labor...

I can get all the parts from Rusty for probably $400 or so.  I don't
want to begrudge the guy his livelihood, he is a good mechanic and I
know that shops use the parts markup to help cover overhead.

HOWEVER -- not sure I want to put $1,400 into this car, though it
has not even 170,000 miles on it and I have no real complaints
otherwise.

Thoughts?  Anything tricky about the job?  I've done pads and
calipers on other vehicles before.  If I spend a Saturday doing this
myself, anything else I should do while I'm in there?  Hoses,
probably?

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Wive's Preferences

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

My secret is the lesser of evils-36 years when first married I told my wife
that some men chase home young women-others bring old cars home. Consider
herself lucky. Worked.


Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Bissell Cove
Wickford RI 02852
1979 240D
1990 300D 2.5t
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Re: [MBZ] Wive's Preferences

[MICHAEL ESH]

My secret to longevity in my marriage of 30 yrs is "She doesn't have to know 
that I'm right".  :-)

Mike

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Yep, my wife tells me to buy her a CD some day. I'd love to.

Oh, and I should not have assumed folks had "wives". Up until a year or 
two
ago I didn't (and thought I'd never get married). Stern warnings against 
it

flow from my divorced friends and family.

Brian
83 240D
hoping for supernatural assistance in making marriage work

Andrew wrote:

My sig oth asked me to find her dream car - a 300CD turbodiesel.
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Re: [MBZ] 190D pics

[David Brodbeck]

Zoltan Finks wrote:
> The topic of wisdom teeth is of high interest to me, as I still have my two
> lower ones at age 36. I had the top two pulled because they each had a
> cavity. Am weighing the risks against the benefits of having the lower ones
> pulled (you probably know that the lower ones are more risky).
> I ask my dentist and oral surgeon if these two lower wisdom teeth will give
> me trouble of any sort between now and my funeral.

Assuming they came in properly, it seems reasonable to treat them like
any other teeth -- leave them unless they become a problem.  Is there
any reason why pulling them now would be better than doing it later?

I still have my two right ones.  My lower left one started to decay, and
the upper left was pulled as well because it was then nonfunctional.  I
dreaded having it done but it was actually a piece of cake, mostly
because I was sedated.  I don't remember anything from the time they put
the IV in until I was getting out my credit card to pay for the
procedure...and frankly I'm missing chunks of the rest of the afternoon,
too.  It was almost worth it just for the drugs. ;)

Re: [MBZ] 190D pics

[Zoltan Finks]

Bob, hope your procedures go well.

The topic of wisdom teeth is of high interest to me, as I still have my two
lower ones at age 36. I had the top two pulled because they each had a
cavity. Am weighing the risks against the benefits of having the lower ones
pulled (you probably know that the lower ones are more risky).

I ask my dentist and oral surgeon if these two lower wisdom teeth will give
me trouble of any sort between now and my funeral. It's quite hard to get
any concrete answer (I'm just looking for their opinion, but I've run into a
lot of hesitancy to give opinions on the part of healthcare professionals).

Brian

Bob wrote:

let's see...I need three wisdom teeth cut out (snip)

Re: [MBZ] Wive's Preferences

[Zoltan Finks]

Yep, my wife tells me to buy her a CD some day. I'd love to.

Oh, and I should not have assumed folks had "wives". Up until a year or two
ago I didn't (and thought I'd never get married). Stern warnings against it
flow from my divorced friends and family.

Brian
83 240D
hoping for supernatural assistance in making marriage work

Andrew wrote:

My sig oth asked me to find her dream car - a 300CD turbodiesel.

Re: [MBZ] weights

[Hendrik Riessen]

Everything is bigger in the US and bigger again in Texas. Guess they have to 
strengthen everything to cope with the huge people and supersized take away 
food.


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<>


All out of date. Go to MBUSA.com for weights of current US models.

RLE


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[MBZ] Oh Kaleb!

[TimothyPilgrim]

And it's in OK.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-Diesel-300TD-12-1984-Mercedes-300TD-5-cyl-Turbo-Diesel-Wagon_W0QQitemZ300061775887QQihZ020QQcategoryZ6330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Tim
1982 300TD
1991 300TE 4Matic

Re: [MBZ] more avoirdupois

[RELNGSON]

> <
> >
> 
4895 lbs, ectually.

'07 S550 4465 lbs
Early 140 S320 4610 lbs.
Early 140 S600 wins the lard-ass championship at 4985 lbs.

All numbers from the MBUSA website.

RLE

> 
> 

Re: [MBZ] Radio auto-off

[RELNGSON]

In a message dated 12/21/06 3:58:11 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> >> off w. ign. sw. off???; i thought that these radios were wired to only
> >> work when key is turned on??? anyone heard of this before;
> >
> > A nice thing about the semi-stock Becker I put into the 190D is that
> > it'll come on, key off, just by pushing the ON button again.  They're
> > wired to run off of either power feed, it's really quite elegant.>>
> 
Current models and maybe back 10 years have auto shutoff on OE radios. Turn 
it on with the key off and it shuts down after a pre-determined time which 
escapes me. Maybe 15 minutes, can't recall.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] weights

[RELNGSON]

> < E = 1650kg
> S = 1950kg>>
> 
All out of date. Go to MBUSA.com for weights of current US models.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] Squashed..

[RELNGSON]

<

True enough. Take a look at www.wreckedexotics.com and click on "bad 
crashes". Quite a few obliterated MBs on this site.

RLE 

Re: [MBZ] How heavy?

[RELNGSON]

PF opines:

<>

Curb weight for the current C350 is 3495 lbs while the new S550's curb weight 
is 4465 lbs. And that's with some aluminum and some plastic panels.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] Holy Photos Batman!

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

But did you get a photo album with it?

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Bissell Cove
Wickford RI 02852

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Ralph W
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 6:03 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Holy Photos Batman!

Wow, compared to this one I got the deal of the century on Zedic's wagon.

Ralph W.
'83 300CD '82 300TD (2 parts wagons)
'90 300D   '01 E320 Wagon
'87 300TD
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Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Holy Photos Batman!


> Mileage 239 K
> Asking price is $9750
> Patrick is the sales rep
> No records


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

[Jim Cathey]

I have a question about these non center tapped generators.
How do the 110-120v outlets work on these, or do they even
have 120v outlets?


They wouldn't/couldn't.  But the lack of a center tap could
be because it's broken, not because it shouldn't have one.
Best to check!  And of course your self-made cable-of-death
could be wrong, and fry your house goodies.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

[Mitch Haley]

I have a question about these non center tapped generators.
How do the 110-120v outlets work on these, or do they even
have 120v outlets?

Mitch.

Re: [MBZ] mercedes vs Toyota (crash pics)

[Mitch Haley]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Actually the new S600 weighs in at over 5,000 pounds and thats with a V12

Wasn't the original S600 (W140) more like 6,000#?

Mitch.

Re: [MBZ] correct name?

[David Brodbeck]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Yes something about a car door people think they are closing a 300 lb door 
> on a ship, never understood the need to SLAM A CAR DOOR
>   

I think it's because everyone, at one time or another, has had an old
junker where the door wouldn't latch unless they slammed it.

Re: [MBZ] OT: Generator voltage spikes

[David Brodbeck]

Mitch Haley wrote:
> Jim Cathey wrote:
>   
>> Yes.  This fellow had a 220V generator that did _not_ have a center
>> tap, which meant that unless the two 110V sides of the home's wiring
>> were _exactly_ balanced as to load (and they never, ever are) one
>> side was going to see more than 110V, and one less.  Up to and
>> probably including 200+V on one side.
>> 
>
> So if I were to hook up a 100W light to one half of the 240 outlet
> on such a genny, I'd get 0v through the lamp and 240v on the open
> side? Now I understand why the motor repair guy told me to do that
> for a test. 
>   

Yeah, although in that case no current would flow.  With no center tap,
everything on one side of the outlet is simply in series with everything
on the other side.  In series loads, the current is the same but the
voltage varies.  So if you put two 100W bulbs in, one on each side,
they'd split the voltage 50/50 and each would get 120V.  But if you put
in one 100W bulb and one 60W bulb, the 100W bulb will see 90V and the
60W bulb will see 150V.  The greater the imbalance gets, the higher the
voltage difference will become.  And in a household this would vary as
stuff was turned on and off, making matters worse.

Re: [MBZ] mercedes vs Toyota (crash pics)

[mykd1]

Actually the new S600 weighs in at over 5,000 pounds and thats with a V12 
 
Harry
69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles
72 350SL   118,000 Miles
2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata   
 
 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] mercedes vs Toyota (crash pics)


S Class is about 3800 lbs, plus occupants and luggage -- that's what 
the SDL is listed for, the new ones won't be any heavier.

Not a Suburban.

Peter


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