[MBZ] 91 350SDL tranny
Wilton, similar symptoms years ago on a 300SD. Crawled under looking for brake band adjustment screw, and a slow fluid leak led me to right to it, where I found a (factory-intentional headless) adjustment screw, coupled with a lock nut that had loosened over 170-200Kmi. Tightened the lock nut back up, refilled the ATF, and the slow leak, missing reverse, and slow-to-engage forward gear problems all went away. Hope you get this lucky. I'd check the fluid level first, as reverse would disappear first on mine, and the other gears would disappear if the fluid got too low. On a 91, with all the sound encapsulation, I don't know that you'd notice a leak without removing it. Good luck. Mike Boerner 87 300D 140K, 87 300SDL 125K, 01 320 ML 46K
Re: [MBZ] What's it worth?
Wouldn't hurt to leave a message under the wiper blade with your contact details, before you can really set a price you would need to know more about the car, such as service history, any rust, etc. You may well find that the owner is Diesel MB fan as well and not interested in selling. - Original Message - From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:42 AM Subject: [MBZ] What's it worth? There is a 1984 (I think might 82-84) 123 300D parked in front of my office building everyday. I have been trying to find the owner to see if
Re: [MBZ] Thanks to the Veterans
Well said Tom, I don't remember it all - I believe I was in the car when I heard it - but perhaps someone knows more than I - A news-reporter didn't give us freedom of press - a Soldier did. a student protester didn't give us freedom of speech - a soldier did. sorry - those are the only 2 I can remeber at the moment - but ya'll get the point. I'll browse the internet and perhaps find more of it - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Potter, Tom E [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mazda Newsgroup [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mercedes@okiebenz.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 2:47 PM Subject: [MBZ] Thanks to the Veterans I want to say THANK YOU personally to any and all veterans on this list. Tom Potter (Who is enjoying life because of you) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.7/816 - Release Date: 5/23/2007 3:59 PM
Re: [MBZ] Thanks to the Veterans
Found it - remember this - ...It's the soldier, not the preacher, who gives us freedom of religion. It's the soldier, not the reporter, who gives us freedom of the press. It's the soldier, not the campus organizer who gives us freedom to assemble. It's the soldier, not the lawyer, who gives us the right to a fair trial. It's the soldier, not the politician, who gives us the right to vote. It's the soldier, who salutes the flag, who serves under the flag, who makes all of this possible, day after day after day! ...It's the soldier, not the preacher, who gives us freedom of religion. It's the soldier, not the reporter, who gives us freedom of the press. It's the soldier, not the campus organizer who gives us freedom to assemble. It's the soldier, not the lawyer, who gives us the right to a fair trial. It's the soldier, not the politician, who gives us the right to vote. It's the soldier, who salutes the flag, who serves under the flag, who makes all of this possible, day after day after day! Remember Memorial Day and all those who fought for this country. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Potter, Tom E [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mazda Newsgroup [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mercedes@okiebenz.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 2:47 PM Subject: [MBZ] Thanks to the Veterans I want to say THANK YOU personally to any and all veterans on this list. Tom Potter (Who is enjoying life because of you) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.7/816 - Release Date: 5/23/2007 3:59 PM
Re: [MBZ] What's it worth?
Might get that mileage on the highway, if you're lucky. City will probably be 20 - 25 MPG. If the ACC works (both heat and AC), and the mileage is accurate (I'd kind suspect a broken odometer if there is visible wear on the MB-TEX at 130K. My 300D has over 170K now and the MB-TEX (dark blue) still looks really good) it would probably be worth that. Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is a 1984 (I think might 82-84) 123 300D parked in front of my office building everyday. I have been trying to find the owner to see if he is interested in selling.It is a butter yellow color with the tan (palomino?) interior. Paint is oxidized, but it looks like it might just need an afternoons worth of elbow grease. Interior is nice with some wear on the drivers seat. But, the drivers seat does not look totally flat and worn. The rest looks good. It has 130,000 miles. My last one of these had over 370,000 miles when I sold it several years ago for $1500. I suspect with the recent diesel craze, I would have to $2500 or so. Sound about right? These get about 25-27 mpg. Correct? Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 137K (For Sale) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL tranny
Does that tranny have a reverse band adjutment like on my old 123 240D? -Mike Canfield I wondered the same thing, but don't see any indication in the epc that the 722.361 has a reverse band that might be amenable to external adjustment. -joe
Re: [MBZ] What's it worth?
That is also the way I feel about the 300SEL that Donald has. I'd be able to buy one cheaper, but not in the shape that one is in. In the long run it should be cheaper than a cheap one. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R A Bennell Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 6:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] What's it worth? Unfortunately, the cost will likely be more given you are asking to buy and he or she is not asking to sell. It sounds good - pay what you have to within reason to get it. When you are talking about $1500 to $5000 for a good car, it really does not matter all that much what it costs. Looking for a deal will not get you the car that you want unless you happen to be really lucky. I paid a proverbial arm and a leg for my old 300D compared to the numbers that you folks normally bandy about, but I am happy with it and think I really got a bargain. Going into my 3rd summer with really nothing done but oil changes (and restuffing the base on the driver's seat). Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 5:13 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] What's it worth? There is a 1984 (I think might 82-84) 123 300D parked in front of my office building everyday. I have been trying to find the owner to see if he is interested in selling.It is a butter yellow color with the tan (palomino?) interior. Paint is oxidized, but it looks like it might just need an afternoons worth of elbow grease. Interior is nice with some wear on the drivers seat. But, the drivers seat does not look totally flat and worn. The rest looks good. It has 130,000 miles. My last one of these had over 370,000 miles when I sold it several years ago for $1500. I suspect with the recent diesel craze, I would have to $2500 or so. Sound about right? These get about 25-27 mpg. Correct? Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 137K (For Sale) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] stick turbo diesel?
People have put manual transmissions in W123 turbodiesels, but the torque of the motor is more than the transmissions were designed to handle, and they tend to break in a relatively short time. One known problem is turbo lag. RLE ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [MBZ] What's it worth?
BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That is also the way I feel about the 300SEL that Donald has. I'd be able to buy one cheaper, but not in the shape that one is in. In the long run it should be cheaper than a cheap one. Nothing is more expensive than a cheap car I've experienced that, myself. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
[MBZ] Hey Kaleb, it's Thursday (Sunday + 4).
-- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
[MBZ] Powder coating
Whoever was thinking about powder coating something (wheels?) -- Harbor Freight has a powder coating kit on sale for $50 on an email promo I got. --R
Re: [MBZ] Anybody ever swap a 5-speed into 123 wagon?
It seems than at Thu, 24 May 2007 15:38:11 -0400, Mike wrote: Actually Phillip, the exact opposite is true with diesel engines and manual transmissions. Well, I _was_ talking about diesel engines and manual transmissions. I presume you mean when in a car. *smile* Most failures I have encountered occured due to very high temperatures generated by large amounts of torque running in high gears. There is MUCH more stress on the input and mainshaft bearings of a manual tranny under full torque in a higher gear. The lower the gear the better for the tranny but the worse for everything behind the tranny. Interesting. So it isn't over-torque that causes the failure? I guess if the enemy is heat, that makes sense. But the output shaft and the counter shaft will be subject to the torque multiplication of the gearing. So if the wear is torque-induced, those will suffer. But if the cause of the wear is _not_ just torque - well, then I guess I'm barking up the wrong tree. Maybe those early failure swaps didn't use a correct flywheel... -- Philip, guessing again!
Re: [MBZ] Anybody ever swap a 5-speed into 123 wagon?
On 5/24/07, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually Phillip, the exact opposite is true with diesel engines and manual transmissions. Most failures I have encountered occured due to very high temperatures generated by large amounts of torque running in high gears. There is MUCH more stress on the input and mainshaft bearings of a manual tranny under full torque in a higher gear. The lower the gear the better for the tranny but the worse for everything behind the tranny. It seems than at Thu, 24 May 2007 15:19:34 -0500, Zoltan wrote: Is this the reason that automatic tranny cars with overdrive have the overdrive-off button? (besides for towing, etc.) Probably not. *smile* The job of the transmission is to trade speed and torque. In a perfect (no friction) transmission, horsepower-in = horsepower-out BUT, in all ratios except 1:1 (top gear in all my W123s), the shaft speed at the input is different than the shaft speed at the output. The speed ratio is the inverse of the torque ratio. So with the output shaft turning 3x slower than the input, it has 3x more torque. This is important because it is torque at the _wheel_ that moves the car. With a transmission that has overdrive (input shaft turns _slower_ than the output shaft), the engine torque is traded for wheel speed. But this means that there is less torque to push the car forward. No big deal if the road is flat, the wind is calm, and the speed is steady. But, if there is a hill, or a need to accelerate, then the wheel-speed-increase/wheel-torque-loss becomes noticeable. This hill and acceleration problem is worse if there is extra weight - 'cause cousin Jimbo in the back seat, or because of the trailer load of spare parts. I have seen a few cars that don't give the driver the control to choose each of the automatic transmission ratios. The inability to directly access 3rd in my W123 comes to mind... I don't know why the overdrive is often a button rather than a detent in the shifter gate. Maybe because it is expected to be operated more often. Because driving around in too high a gear puts undue stress on the transmission, yes? The torque on the input is the same regardles of the gear ratio. And the output is subject to _less_ torque in the higher gears (closer to 1:1). But as Mike suggested in a differnt post, torque seems to not be the only factor. I often think of the example of riding a bicycle in too high a gear for your speed. This brings awareness of the improper gearing in the form of straining and pain. The bicycle can be a good way to think about the ratio - but there is a big difference between them. Your leg on the bicycle crank develops maximum torque at near zero RPM and it decreases as RPM increases. An internal combustion engine has zero torque at zero RPM. The torque increases with RPM for a while, then it decreases again. The two are similar in that the transmission is there to match the wheel speed/torque requirements to the limited speed range of the power source. On a bicycle, if the transmission is in a gear that's too high, it's not the transmission that suffers, it's the engine - your legs! Too bad we don't have pain gauges on cars. Then I could point to it and say to my wife SEE? Yes, that _would_ be nice! --Philip, now that it's math I'm not guessing - much...
[MBZ] Switching from automatic to standard shift
There has been a lot bandied about on this top lately; some of it being mis-informative. Having actually done this with a 1982 240D whose automatic transmission broke, I think I can speak with some authority. The flywheel needs to be balanced to match the old one. On the 617 the flywheels are not neutral balanced, but balanced at the factory with the crank and harmonic balancer. That is indeed what the manual says. The reality is somewhat different. When the OM617 manual flywheel I had was messed up by a machine shop cutting into the side wall when resurfacing the clutch surface, I had no choice but to have it balanced by itself. I then put the flywheel on an engine that previously had an automatic transmission. It's been working fine for nearly 60,000 miles now. Note: the m617 has a different flywheel than the m616. While the 616 flywheel is compatible, the 617 yields a better result. Yes, the OM617 manual flywheel is quite a bit heavier than the OM616 manual flywheel. If you can locate one for an OM617 as I was able to, by all means use it. I would suggest all new clutch components including the hydraulics, The hard line that goes through the firewall can be reused and the rubber hoses are cheap enough, as are new master and slave cylinders. have the driveshaft rebuilt by a reputable shop, Yes. Most likely any stick shift driveshaft you locate will be quite worn. And if you try to re-adjust the length of an automatic driveshaft, it will be apart so there's no better time to replace the center bearing, the staked-in U-joints, and the grease retainers. Note: there are very few driveshaft shops that can balance the MB driveshaft because of the arrangement of the flex joints on both ends. I used Driveline Service of Atlanta (404) 361-9111 4652B Jonesboro Road Forrest Park, GA 30297 plus you will need to have the car re-aligned afterwards as the weight distribution does change and this will affect the wheel alignment. The manual transmission is lighter than the automatic, but in my case the OM617 was quite a bit heavier than the OM616. It does change how the car sits. Also, while in the dash to replace the pedal block, I would suggest replacing all of the vacuum actuators for the klima. As you will be pulling the dash anyways, you might as well make the most of it. There is no need to remove the dash to change the automatic transmission pedal hanger to a manual transmission pedal hanger. While you're there, though, make sure to get the parts to add the clutch actuated switch to turn off the cruise control. It plugs right in just to the left of the radio behind the left side of the console. If you don't, when you press in the clutch with the cruise control activated, the engine will soar towards red-line. Of course, shifter rebuild with new bushings all around too. They're really cheap and make using the transmission a much more pleasant experience. This is not a project for the feint of heart, but worthwhile if you fancy a stick shift. On a project like this you will not recoup your investment in labor or expenses should you resell, but for a keeper it is a fine upgrade. I can't agree more. Researching the project it became obvious that MB uses different parts in a manual engine vs a auto engine. This is shown in the engine number (can't remember which one it is), so you may well have to strip down the engines and swap over the bottom end. A naturally aspirated OM617 for a manual transmission has the serial number 617.912-10-nn. A naturally aspirated OM617 for an automatic transmission has the serial number 617.912-12-nn. From what I saw in using 617.912-12-158157 (meant for an automatic transmission) in my conversion, the only differences are: - the manual transmission needs a pilot bearing in the rear of the crankshaft which the automatic does not. The pilot bearing, however, fits in with no difficulties. - the manual transmission needs a different flywheel than the automatic, with different mounting bolts. These, by the way, are tightened to a certain torque and then turned 90 degrees. They are stretched by this process and can be re-used only a limited number of times. Buy new ones. They're cheap. So, it is definitely not necessary to swap bottom ends. However MB may use a different diff ratio, so it may pay for you to swap diffs over as well. You might double-check this. I went from a OM616 to an OM617 so I definitely needed to change the differential. A four-speed manual in 4th gear is 1:1, as is an automatic. In that case, changing the differential would appear to be unnecessary. If you're putting in a 5-speed, you'll want to check. One last thing, don't forget that you have to change speedo over as well I think or figure out if it is accurate with a 5 speed. If you don't change the differential, you won't have to
Re: [MBZ] Manual tranny lubricant Quick question
I use Mobil 1 ATF in the manual transmission in our '81 240D. Works great. On 5/24/07, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian always use Mobil 1 ATF for your transmission. There was a period while ATF was being reformulated that Benz had you using 30 weight so as not to confuse people about which ATF to use. Once that period of time passed you could once more use ATF. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Anybody ever swap a 5-speed into 123 wagon?
Philip, on your 123, D is 4th, one notch down is 3rd. On 5/24/07, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/24/07, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually Phillip, the exact opposite is true with diesel engines and manual transmissions. Most failures I have encountered occured due to very high temperatures generated by large amounts of torque running in high gears. There is MUCH more stress on the input and mainshaft bearings of a manual tranny under full torque in a higher gear. The lower the gear the better for the tranny but the worse for everything behind the tranny. It seems than at Thu, 24 May 2007 15:19:34 -0500, Zoltan wrote: Is this the reason that automatic tranny cars with overdrive have the overdrive-off button? (besides for towing, etc.) Probably not. *smile* The job of the transmission is to trade speed and torque. In a perfect (no friction) transmission, horsepower-in = horsepower-out BUT, in all ratios except 1:1 (top gear in all my W123s), the shaft speed at the input is different than the shaft speed at the output. The speed ratio is the inverse of the torque ratio. So with the output shaft turning 3x slower than the input, it has 3x more torque. This is important because it is torque at the _wheel_ that moves the car. With a transmission that has overdrive (input shaft turns _slower_ than the output shaft), the engine torque is traded for wheel speed. But this means that there is less torque to push the car forward. No big deal if the road is flat, the wind is calm, and the speed is steady. But, if there is a hill, or a need to accelerate, then the wheel-speed-increase/wheel-torque-loss becomes noticeable. This hill and acceleration problem is worse if there is extra weight - 'cause cousin Jimbo in the back seat, or because of the trailer load of spare parts. I have seen a few cars that don't give the driver the control to choose each of the automatic transmission ratios. The inability to directly access 3rd in my W123 comes to mind... I don't know why the overdrive is often a button rather than a detent in the shifter gate. Maybe because it is expected to be operated more often. Because driving around in too high a gear puts undue stress on the transmission, yes? The torque on the input is the same regardles of the gear ratio. And the output is subject to _less_ torque in the higher gears (closer to 1:1). But as Mike suggested in a differnt post, torque seems to not be the only factor. I often think of the example of riding a bicycle in too high a gear for your speed. This brings awareness of the improper gearing in the form of straining and pain. The bicycle can be a good way to think about the ratio - but there is a big difference between them. Your leg on the bicycle crank develops maximum torque at near zero RPM and it decreases as RPM increases. An internal combustion engine has zero torque at zero RPM. The torque increases with RPM for a while, then it decreases again. The two are similar in that the transmission is there to match the wheel speed/torque requirements to the limited speed range of the power source. On a bicycle, if the transmission is in a gear that's too high, it's not the transmission that suffers, it's the engine - your legs! Too bad we don't have pain gauges on cars. Then I could point to it and say to my wife SEE? Yes, that _would_ be nice! --Philip, now that it's math I'm not guessing - much... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '86 SDL tranny leak
What size is this socket I need and where should I purchase it? It's a 12-point deep socket, but I forget the size. 27mm? I always meant to get one. What I have is the special castle nut socket for its predecessor. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] no accounting for taste...Restoring Bundts
YOU get a HOIST!?! Wow, we have to depend on strong arming anything we want out of the car and hope we do not break a limb in the process. That hoist would make all sorts of jobs a bunch simpler. Sure does. There's some 4-6 of the things. They're always in use pulling engines and such. I once watched a guy suspend a 280C up in the air with one. (The back end, that is. Looked like the Cadillac Ranch...) -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Anybody ever swap a 115 300D into 123?
never figured out what the difference was. 114 may be a short-hood version for 4 cyl engines The 114 was the up-scale version. All sixes were 114, all fours were 115. I'm not sure where the 5-cylinders fit in there, I think they might also have been 114. Our 250C is a 114, the 200D a 115. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] '86 SDL tranny leak
If that's the case, I have a 12 point 27mmI would guess that it's bigger than that -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (271,xxx mi) needs head '83 300SD (246,645 mi) SOLD! '82 300CD (166 kmi) getting front end rebuild '82 300D (74 kmi) getting '85 donor engine-SOLD! '85 300D (280,176) parts car-sans engine Quoting Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What size is this socket I need and where should I purchase it? It's a 12-point deep socket, but I forget the size. 27mm? I always meant to get one. What I have is the special castle nut socket for its predecessor. -- Jim
[MBZ] OT '78 VW Rabbit questions
Well, we've had our hands on the free '78 Rabbit for a whole week now. This was the one that had been sitting for a couple years due to a bad alternator. The alternator has been removed which, I believe, could be the source of our problem. We installed new battery cables, but nothing is working in the car, no accessories, lights, turn signals, nada. It will run when gas is put into the throttle body, but it can only be started by jumping the solenoid. I'm guessing that the alt completes the circuits, and everything will work normally once the CORRECT alternator is installed and connected. This is a problem since the original one isn't around to match up to buy the correct one. These old, German cars just seem to call my name. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula 1978 VW Rabbit, ?37Kmi, not road worthy yet
Re: [MBZ] Anybody ever swap a 5-speed into 123 wagon?
It seems than at Thu, 24 May 2007 21:52:10 -0700, John wrote: Philip, on your 123, D is 4th, one notch down is 3rd. Oh. You're right. (my automatic has been down for a while...) What I _meant_ to say was: The inability to directly access 2nd in my W123 comes to mind... One detent for both 1st and second... Why?!? -- Philip, corrected.
Re: [MBZ] Anybody ever swap a 5-speed into 123 wagon?
They are all different depending on the MY but my 84 CD and 83 SD had a 1st gear slot next to the 2nd gear..it just slid back and forth sideways. (I think!) On 5/25/07, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems than at Thu, 24 May 2007 21:52:10 -0700, John wrote: Philip, on your 123, D is 4th, one notch down is 3rd. Oh. You're right. (my automatic has been down for a while...) What I _meant_ to say was: The inability to directly access 2nd in my W123 comes to mind... One detent for both 1st and second... Why?!? -- Philip, corrected. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] DIY Powdercoating
A coworker used a kit he obtained fron Eastwood to powder coat 4 old ratty aluminum wheels. They came out VERY nice. Remember you have to have ability to bake at about 400 degrees. -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, Fun to drive so far 1987 300SDL 280KMI Inherited by Grandson 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 196Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is!
Re: [MBZ] Anybody ever swap a 5-speed into 123 wagon?
I've seen trannies rated on a per cylinder basis, suggesting that there is a maximum force per power pulse that they don't want to exceed. (a trans might be rated 800ft-lb with a 8 and 600 ft-lb with a six). That said, if you watch the trans temp (especially with an automatic) and shift into 1:1 when it starts to heat up, you can get away with quote a lot. Mitch.
Re: [MBZ] Powder coating
THANKS RICH!!! I'll be checking that out right away! Mike - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 11:09 PM Subject: [MBZ] Powder coating Whoever was thinking about powder coating something (wheels?) -- Harbor Freight has a powder coating kit on sale for $50 on an email promo I got. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R12 is Good Stuff
R12 is good stuff. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 1:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] R12 is Good Stuff Filled up the 190D with almost two cans of R12 today. Got 35*F vent temps going 45MPH with 81* ambient and 50% humidity . Could get 50* vent temps at 1500RPM in the driveway. Now if the brand new high pressure switch would stop leaking when I turn the A/C on... John '84 190D '87 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anybody ever swap a 5-speed into 123 wagon?
It has been written that: On a bicycle, if the transmission is in a gear that's too high, it's not the transmission that suffers, it's the engine - your legs! I write: Exactly, until you input operator error. Seems that when the car doesn't go in the high gear the accelerator is depressed, the bigger the hill the harder it's pressed until the car MUST be shifted down. This causes undue torque and heat on the input that would not occur in a properly shifted tranny. If you could measure the difference in pressure on the crankset bearings of the bicycle in the wrong gears it would still be a fine example of what I am saying. A good example is the Suzuki Samurai's I mess with. Many folks put the VW diesels in them with various adapter kits bolted to the stock Samurai transmission. WHile they hold up fine in the lower gears no matter how rough you are on them the heat generated in the tranny from pulling hard on the highway in high gear is what kills the input and mainshaft bearings. The overdrive button is there for this purpose. Overdrive creates tons of heat in any tranny if it's pulling hard and that heat will destroy junk US made trannies. Mike
Re: [MBZ] DIY Powdercoating
I have an electric oven already saved for the job.. Mike - Original Message - From: Peter T. Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 4:23 AM Subject: [MBZ] DIY Powdercoating A coworker used a kit he obtained fron Eastwood to powder coat 4 old ratty aluminum wheels. They came out VERY nice. Remember you have to have ability to bake at about 400 degrees. -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, Fun to drive so far 1987 300SDL 280KMI Inherited by Grandson 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 196Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 18, Issue 95
On May 25, 2007, at 7:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The inability to directly access 2nd in my W123 comes to mind... One detent for both 1st and second... Why?!? -- Philip, corrected. Not sure why, and I would prefer a full gate, too, but you can access second on the way up by moving the lever from 1 to S and then back to 1 again following the 1-2 upshift. You'll be in second then, and it won't upshift to 3rd until you move the lever up to S. That way, you end up manually selecting all upshifts. Going down, shifting into 1 from S gives you 2 also. Why MBZ would equip a car with every conceivable gadget and then leave out a 2 slot on the shifter is beyond me, but there you are. Once you get used to it, it works OK. Dan Dan Weeks Freelance Writer and Photographer 515/279-4825 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] Safe forms of payment in a car sale
To make life more complicated, how would I assure a safe sales transaction with a buyer in Germany? Is it worth the effort? On 5/24/07, Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if it was a benz, you would have posted it to the list first and offered it to listers as a courtesy before unveiling it to the masses. On 5/24/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sage advice, all. Just what I was hoping for. BTW, I intentionally didn't tell you guys which car I was selling - was testing you to see if I would get any what? you're selling your 240, and leaving the fold? How come? or Hey, I'll buy it! You failed. Brian On 5/24/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BillR wrote:In Florida you can file a statement with the state, which we now do. BillR about selling a car. VA also has provision for this - the registration has a place on the back for change of address or ownership - send it in when a vehicle is sold and it records the info and gets a refund on the tags if returned. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Safe forms of payment in a car sale YES YES YES !!! I have been billed for damages and sued for actions taken with a car I traded in to a dealer because the eventual buyer never titled the car. Heed the excellent advice of Tony. In Florida you can file a statement with the state, which we now do. BillR Cash- period and full stop. Take the cash to your bank for deposit directly into your account, then sign the title there and get a bill of sale notarized for you at the same time so that if the buyer goes and does crime with your old car you've got evidence of the sale. On the bill of sale put the date, time, statement of miles and that the buyer assumes all responsibility for the car as of x time. Both you/buyer signs and you keep. Not perfect, but gives you some ammo. Tony Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.7/816 - Release Date: 5/23/2007 3:59 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi - for sale [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 18, Issue 95
On Fri, 25 May 2007 08:09:38 -0500 Dan Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Going down, shifting into 1 from S gives you 2 also. On our '82 240D, when in 3rd (S) and slowing down, shifting from S to 1 did indeed put the transmission in 2nd. This was great for going around free right turn corners. If we would have to slow down further, however, the transmission would slam into 1st gear. This is what finally broke the transmission and why our '82 is now a 240D/3.0 with a manual transmission. Caveat emptor. Craig
Re: [MBZ] Thanks to the Veterans
Tom P. wrote: I want to say THANK YOU personally to any and all veterans on this list. I second that! All veterans deserve our support. I also want to apologize to all veterans on behalf of the State of Kansas for the actions of Reverend Fred Phelps. He is the jacka** from Westboro Baptist Church who organizes pickets at the funerals of the soldiers who died in Iraq. (He also protested at the funerals of those killed at Virginia Tech) Thank God, many states are now establishing funeral protection zones to prevent people like him from picketing at funerals. As far as I am concerned, there is a special place in hell for him. I hope he is wearing gasoline panties while he is there. If you have never heard of him, just google Fred Phelps and funeral protests. I always regretted not entering the military, my family has such a long history of service. My Grandfather served in WWII, Korea and Vietnam. My Father served in Vietnam, Desert Storm and volunteered to be called up for Operation Iraqi Freedom. He recently retired after serving for over 35 years. My Uncle earned the Silver Star (and several other medals) in Vietnam. Most of his medals were awarded posthumously because he was killed by a sniper the day after saving his entire platoon. His documented heroics were part of the decision to award him the Silver Star. His name was Donald Pumphrey - I am named after him. Donald H. Snook
Re: [MBZ] DIY Powdercoating
Mike Canfield wrote: I have an electric oven already saved for the job.. At least 16 wide by 16 deep?
Re: [MBZ] Anybody ever swap a 5-speed into 123 wagon?
Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The inability to directly access 2nd in my W123 comes to mind... One detent for both 1st and second... Why?!? In my 300D, 1st is so low you would hardly ever want it if you're already moving. I do occasionally drop down into L (2nd, if you're already in 2nd or higher) for steep hills. I *think* if I'm in L from a dead stop it stays in 1st until I move the selector, but I could be wrong. Are you saying there's no way to deliberately start off in 2nd? I think that's right, and it would be helpful. 1st has so much torque at the wheels that they spin on wet pavement, to say nothing of snow or ice. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] Thanks to the Veterans
Donald Snook wrote: I also want to apologize to all veterans on behalf of the State of Kansas for the actions of Reverend Fred Phelps. I don't care how old he is. If he showed up at the funeral of a member of my family with his rump ranger graphic signs, I'd not quit beating on him when he fell down, I'd make sure he'd do serious hospital time. (and I don't think a jury would convict me in my hometowm) Mitch.
[MBZ] DIY Powdercoating
--bake at 400 degrees. 'Sounds like a project for Mama's oven. Wilton
Re: [MBZ] OT '78 VW Rabbit questions
Good source for parts is www.germanautoparts.com. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wouldn't recommend them for MB parts; despite they name they are really pretty much VW/Audi oriented. Or maybe Rusty -- don't know if he handles VW parts. Allan Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, we've had our hands on the free '78 Rabbit for a whole week now. This was the one that had been sitting for a couple years due to a bad alternator. The alternator has been removed which, I believe, could be the source of our problem. We installed new battery cables, but nothing is working in the car, no accessories, lights, turn signals, nada. It will run when gas is put into the throttle body, but it can only be started by jumping the solenoid. I'm guessing that the alt completes the circuits, and everything will work normally once the CORRECT alternator is installed and connected. This is a problem since the original one isn't around to match up to buy the correct one. These old, German cars just seem to call my name. -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] DIY Powdercoating
Actually over 24x 24 by a bit. Mike - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] DIY Powdercoating Mike Canfield wrote: I have an electric oven already saved for the job.. At least 16 wide by 16 deep? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Safe forms of payment in a car sale
andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To make life more complicated, how would I assure a safe sales transaction with a buyer in Germany? Is it worth the effort? Wire transfer. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] DIY Powdercoating
Yeah, but Mama would be mighty peeved when her cookies came out tasting and smelling like your wheels. Mike - Original Message - From: wilton strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 9:38 AM Subject: [MBZ] DIY Powdercoating --bake at 400 degrees. 'Sounds like a project for Mama's oven. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT '78 VW Rabbit questions
A friend of mine has some of those old 1.5 Rabbits...I will see if he has a spare alternator around for you if you would like. Mike - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT '78 VW Rabbit questions Good source for parts is www.germanautoparts.com. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wouldn't recommend them for MB parts; despite they name they are really pretty much VW/Audi oriented. Or maybe Rusty -- don't know if he handles VW parts. Allan Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, we've had our hands on the free '78 Rabbit for a whole week now. This was the one that had been sitting for a couple years due to a bad alternator. The alternator has been removed which, I believe, could be the source of our problem. We installed new battery cables, but nothing is working in the car, no accessories, lights, turn signals, nada. It will run when gas is put into the throttle body, but it can only be started by jumping the solenoid. I'm guessing that the alt completes the circuits, and everything will work normally once the CORRECT alternator is installed and connected. This is a problem since the original one isn't around to match up to buy the correct one. These old, German cars just seem to call my name. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Safe forms of payment in a car sale
Will they be sending someone to inspect the car? Tell them to bring cash and do with the car as they like when they leave. I would be cautious of anyone wanting to buy a car here and pay to take it to Germany. Sounds unreallistic to me. Mike - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Safe forms of payment in a car sale andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To make life more complicated, how would I assure a safe sales transaction with a buyer in Germany? Is it worth the effort? Wire transfer. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] DIY Powdercoating
Hmm... What temperature do you need it at? I've got an oven sitting in my barn that works other than the normal range of the thermostat. i.e. it'll still hold like 700F for the clean cycle... Probably not much use for most things. I think I'm gonna have to chuck it... Levi On 5/25/07, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, but Mama would be mighty peeved when her cookies came out tasting and smelling like your wheels. Mike - Original Message - From: wilton strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 9:38 AM Subject: [MBZ] DIY Powdercoating --bake at 400 degrees. 'Sounds like a project for Mama's oven. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] DIY Powdercoating
Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hmm... What temperature do you need it at? I've got an oven sitting in my barn that works other than the normal range of the thermostat. i.e. it'll still hold like 700F for the clean cycle... Probably not much use for most things. I think I'm gonna have to chuck it... Would make a good pizza oven. You need a *really* hot oven for a good pizza, it's not unheard of for people to override the cleaning cycle lockout on their home ovens to get the temperature into that range. Commercial pizza deck ovens run at about 600 or more, the convection/conveyor style (which IMO produce an inferior pizza) are a little cooler. My gas oven at home has a digital thermostat, it will go to 550 which is just barely adequate for a good homemade pizza if you use a pizza stone. I've not tried the cleaning cycle trick, myself. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] Safe forms of payment in a car sale
Someone in the local MB club sold a fully restored red 280SE 3.5 coupe for $38K to a German collector a couple years ago... On 5/25/07, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will they be sending someone to inspect the car? Tell them to bring cash and do with the car as they like when they leave. I would be cautious of anyone wanting to buy a car here and pay to take it to Germany. Sounds unreallistic to me. Mike - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Safe forms of payment in a car sale andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To make life more complicated, how would I assure a safe sales transaction with a buyer in Germany? Is it worth the effort? Wire transfer. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] DIY Powdercoating
Then the next thing would probably be to defeat the oven lock. Otherwise I'm guessing that pizza would be good and crispy since you'd have to put it in before it reached that temp and couldn't check it and you'd have to wait until the oven cooled down before it would let you open the door.. (: Levi On 5/25/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hmm... What temperature do you need it at? I've got an oven sitting in my barn that works other than the normal range of the thermostat. i.e. it'll still hold like 700F for the clean cycle... Probably not much use for most things. I think I'm gonna have to chuck it... Would make a good pizza oven. You need a *really* hot oven for a good pizza, it's not unheard of for people to override the cleaning cycle lockout on their home ovens to get the temperature into that range. Commercial pizza deck ovens run at about 600 or more, the convection/conveyor style (which IMO produce an inferior pizza) are a little cooler. My gas oven at home has a digital thermostat, it will go to 550 which is just barely adequate for a good homemade pizza if you use a pizza stone. I've not tried the cleaning cycle trick, myself. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] DIY Powdercoating
Hi Levi, I am not certain of the exact temp needed but I do know it must be an electric oven or it will explode.Is your oven electric? If nothing else tin price is up and that old oven is actually worth a couple bucks at the scrapyard. I bet a toaster oven would work for really small parts and practicing. Mike - Original Message - From: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] DIY Powdercoating Hmm... What temperature do you need it at? I've got an oven sitting in my barn that works other than the normal range of the thermostat. i.e. it'll still hold like 700F for the clean cycle... Probably not much use for most things. I think I'm gonna have to chuck it... Levi On 5/25/07, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, but Mama would be mighty peeved when her cookies came out tasting and smelling like your wheels. Mike - Original Message - From: wilton strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 9:38 AM Subject: [MBZ] DIY Powdercoating --bake at 400 degrees. 'Sounds like a project for Mama's oven. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Safe forms of payment in a car sale
WOW! A very rare occurance I am sure.. Mike - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Safe forms of payment in a car sale Someone in the local MB club sold a fully restored red 280SE 3.5 coupe for $38K to a German collector a couple years ago... On 5/25/07, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will they be sending someone to inspect the car? Tell them to bring cash and do with the car as they like when they leave. I would be cautious of anyone wanting to buy a car here and pay to take it to Germany. Sounds unreallistic to me. Mike - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Safe forms of payment in a car sale andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To make life more complicated, how would I assure a safe sales transaction with a buyer in Germany? Is it worth the effort? Wire transfer. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thanks to the Veterans
Mitch wrote: I don't care how old he is. If he showed up at the funeral of a member of my family with his rump ranger graphic signs, I'd not quit beating on him when he fell down, I'd make sure he'd do serious hospital time. (and I don't think a jury would convict me in my hometowm) Mitch. You theory was tested a few years in Topeka (where Fred Phelps lives and practices his evil). An older woman drove on a sidewalk for almost 100 yards crashing through his protest trying to run him over. I think he was barely clipped. During her trial, the judge concluded that it was a mechanical failure of the accelerator and dismissed all charges. The judge made this determination without anyone even offering this sort of evidence. I am sure it would have been different if anyone had been really hurt. But, I don't think Phelps would ever find a jury of peers in Topeka. To complicate matters, Mr. Phelps is an attorney (he was disbarred quite a while ago. Every law student in Kansas studies the decisions of the Kansas Supreme Court disbarring him during the required ethics and professional responsibility course). He graduated from Washburn Law School (the same law school I graduated from). He has 13 children. 11 of them are attorneys and 10 of them graduated from Washburn. 1 was not admitted, so he protests the law school also. He protested at my graduation (he goes to all the law school graduations). His granddaughter worked in the law library while I was there. She didn't seem evil. But, I saw her protesting at all of his places in Topeka, so I am sure being around him and all of his hate-mongering has warped her. Donald H. Snook
Re: [MBZ] DIY Powdercoating
Ahh, sounds like the powdercoating is flammable, or otherwise gets that way in an enclosed heated area... Yeah, probably just a couple bucks though. Some guy stopped by last weekend looking for scrap. I may make him up a pile of stuff, just doesn't quite seem worth the hassle to me if someone is willing to take it for free. Levi On 5/25/07, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Levi, I am not certain of the exact temp needed but I do know it must be an electric oven or it will explode.Is your oven electric? If nothing else tin price is up and that old oven is actually worth a couple bucks at the scrapyard. I bet a toaster oven would work for really small parts and practicing. Mike - Original Message - From: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] DIY Powdercoating Hmm... What temperature do you need it at? I've got an oven sitting in my barn that works other than the normal range of the thermostat. i.e. it'll still hold like 700F for the clean cycle... Probably not much use for most things. I think I'm gonna have to chuck it... Levi On 5/25/07, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, but Mama would be mighty peeved when her cookies came out tasting and smelling like your wheels. Mike - Original Message - From: wilton strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 9:38 AM Subject: [MBZ] DIY Powdercoating --bake at 400 degrees. 'Sounds like a project for Mama's oven. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anybody ever swap a 5-speed into 123 wagon?
I've seen trannies rated on a per cylinder basis, suggesting that there is a maximum force per power pulse that they don't want to exceed. Yeah, the pounding that a 4B or 6B Cummins gives a tranny is one of the reasons Dodge has had tranny troubles over the years. It's _not_ a Chevy 350! -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] DIY Powdercoating
Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then the next thing would probably be to defeat the oven lock. Otherwise I'm guessing that pizza would be good and crispy since you'd have to put it in before it reached that temp and couldn't check it and you'd have to wait until the oven cooled down before it would let you open the door.. (: That's what I meant by override the cleaning cycle lockout. Defeat or Disable would have been a better word. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] Anybody ever swap a 5-speed into 123 wagon?
They are all different depending on the MY but my 84 CD and 83 SD had a 1st gear slot next to the 2nd gear..it just slid back and forth sideways. (I think!) I've only seen the side gate on 500/560 gassers. I like it, but even the usual 1-2 upshift dance with the others is OK because I can hold it in first going down the hill from our house in the morning. One reason my brakes last a hell of a lot longer than my wife's! I almost never really want to force it back into first when slowing down. -- Jim
[MBZ] Overdrive and heat
On May 25, 2007, at 9:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Overdrive creates tons of heat in any tranny if it's pulling hard and that heat will destroy junk US made trannies. That's what I thought, too, but it wasn't the case, at least with my 700R4. I pulled a 26', 4000lb airstream for a while with a caprice wagon, and installed a trans temp gauge and a big cooler. I found there was no difference between running wide open in overdrive and running wide open in direct--as long as the converter was locked up. Since the converter on my trans was always locked in OD, this was never a problem in that gear. However, when the converter unlocked in direct, the temps would start to climb some, indicating that the real heat was being produced by the TC, not the gears and bearings. So for that setup, at least, I didn't hesitate to tow in OD when it would pull cruising speed (65) and never had a problem. And this trans had 150+k on it at the time. I've never done a similar test with an uncooled manual OD trannies, although I pulled a 16' travel trailer with a Chrysler 4-speed OD (Behind a 225 slant six!) in overdrive with no problems also, but I figured the 225 didn't make enough torque in overdrive at cruise to do any damage. Dan Dan Weeks Freelance Writer and Photographer 515/279-4825 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] DIY Powdercoating
AAAhhh, I kind of understood what you meant, but I was thinking you meant to defeat it so that you could take the oven to temps above what the cleaning cycle was meant for... This makes more sense... (: Levi On 5/25/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then the next thing would probably be to defeat the oven lock. Otherwise I'm guessing that pizza would be good and crispy since you'd have to put it in before it reached that temp and couldn't check it and you'd have to wait until the oven cooled down before it would let you open the door.. (: That's what I meant by override the cleaning cycle lockout. Defeat or Disable would have been a better word. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT '78 VW Rabbit questions
Rusty has Asian parts at www.BuyASIANparts.com and European parts at www.BuyEUROpart.com Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT '78 VW Rabbit questions Good source for parts is www.germanautoparts.com. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wouldn't recommend them for MB parts; despite they name they are really pretty much VW/Audi oriented. Or maybe Rusty -- don't know if he handles VW parts. Allan Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, we've had our hands on the free '78 Rabbit for a whole week now. This was the one that had been sitting for a couple years due to a bad alternator. The alternator has been removed which, I believe, could be the source of our problem. We installed new battery cables, but nothing is working in the car, no accessories, lights, turn signals, nada. It will run when gas is put into the throttle body, but it can only be started by jumping the solenoid. I'm guessing that the alt completes the circuits, and everything will work normally once the CORRECT alternator is installed and connected. This is a problem since the original one isn't around to match up to buy the correct one. These old, German cars just seem to call my name. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R12 is Good Stuff
Amen. I just had the local stealer fill my 90 300D with R-12-ice cold and ACC works as supposed to. Nice-even here in New England. Supposed to be 90 today. I converted my old SAAB 900 over to 134a and it was never the same or even right. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 8:35 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] R12 is Good Stuff R12 is good stuff. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 1:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] R12 is Good Stuff Filled up the 190D with almost two cans of R12 today. Got 35*F vent temps going 45MPH with 81* ambient and 50% humidity . Could get 50* vent temps at 1500RPM in the driveway. Now if the brand new high pressure switch would stop leaking when I turn the A/C on... John '84 190D '87 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R12 is Good Stuff
How much did the Stealer charge for the R-12? And how many pounds did they put in? -Warren Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: Amen. I just had the local stealer fill my 90 300D with R-12-ice cold and ACC works as supposed to. Nice-even here in New England. Supposed to be 90 today. I converted my old SAAB 900 over to 134a and it was never the same or even right. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 8:35 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] R12 is Good Stuff R12 is good stuff. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 1:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] R12 is Good Stuff Filled up the 190D with almost two cans of R12 today. Got 35*F vent temps going 45MPH with 81* ambient and 50% humidity . Could get 50* vent temps at 1500RPM in the driveway. Now if the brand new high pressure switch would stop leaking when I turn the A/C on... John '84 190D '87 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R12 is Good Stuff
I went there as a last resort as I couldn't find anyone else around here who would do. They charged me 99.50 for a little under two pounds. Of course, they did full inspection of ACC and everything else they wanted to sell me. Also a free wash and quick detail. However, I thought it was a good deal all things considered. I am happy. In addition, I got to test drive a new Bluetech. FWIW-this dealer is Carriage House in New London CT. A small family owned dealership on the edge of downtown. John Peterson and I go there when we do dealer service, as the one here in RI was the one that really screwed John on the transmission replacement -remember that long saga? This one seems honest and competent, but of course a little spendy. They have now started a classic care center- they have four mechanics who have over 70 years of combined experience-you can ask for one of them. I had one do the valves on my 240D. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles (soon to be for sale) 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Warren Thiptus Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 11:19 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] R12 is Good Stuff How much did the Stealer charge for the R-12? And how many pounds did they put in? -Warren
Re: [MBZ] Dealer service (was: R12 is Good Stuff)
On 5/25/07, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This one seems honest and competent, but of course a little spendy. They have now started a classic care center- they have four mechanics who have over 70 years of combined experience-you can ask for one of them. I had one do the valves on my 240D. That's an encouraging sign. My local M-B dealer is renowned for their incompetence and ignorance of any car older than a decade or so. There are a couple of great indys in town, so it's not really an issue, but I still find it annoying for some reason. Alex Chamberlain
[MBZ] 79 240D A/C - where to start?
Our 240D has inoperable A/C (manual controls though). We did a quick check by starting the car and turning the A/C dial to high. Compressor didn't even attempt to kick in. Aux fan didn't start running either, but it does spin easily. Can someone give me a quick list of things to check to get started in diagnosing this? ...Kevin 1979 240D 161k mi 1987 300TD 262k mi (in the shop getting inspected)
Re: [MBZ] Overdrive and heat
Add on overdrive can cause an overheating problem if added to a transmission that does not have a lockup style torque converter because you will be producing more substained torque on the highway at lower RPMs than the transmission was designed for and the converter slippage will generate a lot of heat. It's not an issue with 700R4s or 2004Rs because both of these lock the converter while in OD. Tom www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: Dan Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 5/25/07 9:34 AM Subject: [MBZ] Overdrive and heat On May 25, 2007, at 9:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Overdrive creates tons of heat in any tranny if it's pulling hard and that heat will destroy junk US made trannies. That's what I thought, too, but it wasn't the case, at least with my 700R4. I pulled a 26', 4000lb airstream for a while with a caprice wagon, and installed a trans temp gauge and a big cooler. I found there was no difference between running wide open in overdrive and running wide open in direct--as long as the converter was locked up. Since the converter on my trans was always locked in OD, this was never a problem in that gear. However, when the converter unlocked in direct, the temps would start to climb some, indicating that the real heat was being produced by the TC, not the gears and bearings. So for that setup, at least, I didn't hesitate to tow in OD when it would pull cruising speed (65) and never had a problem. And this trans had 150+k on it at the time. I've never done a similar test with an uncooled manual OD trannies, although I pulled a 16' travel trailer with a Chrysler 4-speed OD (Behind a 225 slant six!) in overdrive with no problems also, but I figured the 225 didn't make enough torque in overdrive at cruise to do any damage. Dan Dan Weeks Freelance Writer and Photographer 515/279-4825 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R12 is Good Stuff
Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: I went there as a last resort as I couldn't find anyone else around here who would do. They charged me 99.50 for a little under two pounds. Of course, they did full inspection of ACC and everything else they wanted to sell me. Also a free wash and quick detail. That's about $60 for the freon and 4/10 hour at $100 an hour. Sounds good to me. Last time I bought R12 installed I paid $40 for two pounds, no work other than hooking up the hoses and putting in the freon, and this was at a junkyard in 1994.
Re: [MBZ] R12 is Good Stuff
Yes-they quoted the price in advance-said up two pounds of Freon for 99.50. Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 11:58 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] R12 is Good Stuff Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: I went there as a last resort as I couldn't find anyone else around here who would do. They charged me 99.50 for a little under two pounds. Of course, they did full inspection of ACC and everything else they wanted to sell me. Also a free wash and quick detail. That's about $60 for the freon and 4/10 hour at $100 an hour. Sounds good to me. Last time I bought R12 installed I paid $40 for two pounds, no work other than hooking up the hoses and putting in the freon, and this was at a junkyard in 1994. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] DIY Powdercoating
I see a host of old stoves for free on CL and am sure you could shove one in the garage with a huge extension cord to your dryer plug in. Bound to be able to reach at least 500* for a few hours as needed. Also will not upset SWMBA by baking your own wheels and brownies out there. On May 25, 2007, at 1:23 AM, Peter T. Arnold wrote: A coworker used a kit he obtained fron Eastwood to powder coat 4 old ratty aluminum wheels. They came out VERY nice. Remember you have to have ability to bake at about 400 degrees. -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, Fun to drive so far 1987 300SDL 280KMI Inherited by Grandson 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 196Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Thanks to the Veterans
Yep, sorry for your loss, I see where he is listed at http:// www.gingerb.com/vietnam_fsb_danger_anatomy_of_an_infantry_battalion.htm clay On May 25, 2007, at 6:28 AM, Donald Snook wrote: Tom P. wrote: I want to say THANK YOU personally to any and all veterans on this list. I second that! All veterans deserve our support. I also want to apologize to all veterans on behalf of the State of Kansas for the actions of Reverend Fred Phelps. He is the jacka** from Westboro Baptist Church who organizes pickets at the funerals of the soldiers who died in Iraq. (He also protested at the funerals of those killed at Virginia Tech) Thank God, many states are now establishing funeral protection zones to prevent people like him from picketing at funerals. As far as I am concerned, there is a special place in hell for him. I hope he is wearing gasoline panties while he is there. If you have never heard of him, just google Fred Phelps and funeral protests. I always regretted not entering the military, my family has such a long history of service. My Grandfather served in WWII, Korea and Vietnam. My Father served in Vietnam, Desert Storm and volunteered to be called up for Operation Iraqi Freedom. He recently retired after serving for over 35 years. My Uncle earned the Silver Star (and several other medals) in Vietnam. Most of his medals were awarded posthumously because he was killed by a sniper the day after saving his entire platoon. His documented heroics were part of the decision to award him the Silver Star. His name was Donald Pumphrey - I am named after him. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] DIY Powdercoating
Could easily make up a box and use stove elements and oven control too. Have seen that sort of thing in electric motor rewind shops. They bake the rebuilt motor over night to cure the varnish type stuff on the wire if I recall correctly. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 11:27 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] DIY Powdercoating I see a host of old stoves for free on CL and am sure you could shove one in the garage with a huge extension cord to your dryer plug in. Bound to be able to reach at least 500* for a few hours as needed. Also will not upset SWMBA by baking your own wheels and brownies out there. On May 25, 2007, at 1:23 AM, Peter T. Arnold wrote: A coworker used a kit he obtained fron Eastwood to powder coat 4 old ratty aluminum wheels. They came out VERY nice. Remember you have to have ability to bake at about 400 degrees. -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, Fun to drive so far 1987 300SDL 280KMI Inherited by Grandson 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 196Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] R12 is Good Stuff
I changed my 76 300D to 134 last summer. Really debated having it refilled with R12 but was concerned that it would just leak out and I would lose my money quickly. Used a kit from Wal-Mart and it has worked fine. Thought I might lose the charge over winter as it gets pretty cold here and that would likely cause seals to shrink. Still works fine this spring so have had some luck. Can see a bit of oily film on the top of the compressor so it is leaking a bit but so far so good. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dwight E. Giles, Jr Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 10:19 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] R12 is Good Stuff Amen. I just had the local stealer fill my 90 300D with R-12-ice cold and ACC works as supposed to. Nice-even here in New England. Supposed to be 90 today. I converted my old SAAB 900 over to 134a and it was never the same or even right. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 8:35 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] R12 is Good Stuff R12 is good stuff. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 1:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] R12 is Good Stuff Filled up the 190D with almost two cans of R12 today. Got 35*F vent temps going 45MPH with 81* ambient and 50% humidity . Could get 50* vent temps at 1500RPM in the driveway. Now if the brand new high pressure switch would stop leaking when I turn the A/C on... John '84 190D '87 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT '78 VW Rabbit questions
www.BuyEUROparts.com On 5/25/07, Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rusty has Asian parts at www.BuyASIANparts.com and European parts at www.BuyEUROpart.com Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT '78 VW Rabbit questions Good source for parts is www.germanautoparts.com. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wouldn't recommend them for MB parts; despite they name they are really pretty much VW/Audi oriented. Or maybe Rusty -- don't know if he handles VW parts. Allan Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, we've had our hands on the free '78 Rabbit for a whole week now. This was the one that had been sitting for a couple years due to a bad alternator. The alternator has been removed which, I believe, could be the source of our problem. We installed new battery cables, but nothing is working in the car, no accessories, lights, turn signals, nada. It will run when gas is put into the throttle body, but it can only be started by jumping the solenoid. I'm guessing that the alt completes the circuits, and everything will work normally once the CORRECT alternator is installed and connected. This is a problem since the original one isn't around to match up to buy the correct one. These old, German cars just seem to call my name. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] DIY Powdercoating
Levi, Where I take my scrap(Champion's in Lodi) I am getting over $100 per ton for junk cars stuffed full of old appliances and suchIf you have alot and a reasonable way to haul it it's worthwhile. If not, like you said, just best to give it away for the convenience. Keep an eye out for catalytic converters and set them aside, they are worth very good money and can make a load of scrap pay pretty well if you can get 3 or 4 as the smallest ones are bringing $35 as long as the honeycomb is intact. Copper is paying well over $1 if not $2 a pound now as well. Pretty easy to come up with a couple hundred bucks worth of junk in a big hurry. Mike - Original Message - From: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] DIY Powdercoating Ahh, sounds like the powdercoating is flammable, or otherwise gets that way in an enclosed heated area... Yeah, probably just a couple bucks though. Some guy stopped by last weekend looking for scrap. I may make him up a pile of stuff, just doesn't quite seem worth the hassle to me if someone is willing to take it for free. Levi On 5/25/07, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Levi, I am not certain of the exact temp needed but I do know it must be an electric oven or it will explode.Is your oven electric? If nothing else tin price is up and that old oven is actually worth a couple bucks at the scrapyard. I bet a toaster oven would work for really small parts and practicing. Mike - Original Message - From: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] DIY Powdercoating Hmm... What temperature do you need it at? I've got an oven sitting in my barn that works other than the normal range of the thermostat. i.e. it'll still hold like 700F for the clean cycle... Probably not much use for most things. I think I'm gonna have to chuck it... Levi On 5/25/07, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, but Mama would be mighty peeved when her cookies came out tasting and smelling like your wheels. Mike - Original Message - From: wilton strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 9:38 AM Subject: [MBZ] DIY Powdercoating --bake at 400 degrees. 'Sounds like a project for Mama's oven. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT '78 VW Rabbit questions
Yes, www.BuyEUROparts.com and www.BuyASIANparts.com Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT '78 VW Rabbit questions www.BuyEUROparts.com On 5/25/07, Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rusty has Asian parts at www.BuyASIANparts.com and European parts at www.BuyEUROpart.com Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT '78 VW Rabbit questions Good source for parts is www.germanautoparts.com. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wouldn't recommend them for MB parts; despite they name they are really pretty much VW/Audi oriented. Or maybe Rusty -- don't know if he handles VW parts. Allan Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, we've had our hands on the free '78 Rabbit for a whole week now. This was the one that had been sitting for a couple years due to a bad alternator. The alternator has been removed which, I believe, could be the source of our problem. We installed new battery cables, but nothing is working in the car, no accessories, lights, turn signals, nada. It will run when gas is put into the throttle body, but it can only be started by jumping the solenoid. I'm guessing that the alt completes the circuits, and everything will work normally once the CORRECT alternator is installed and connected. This is a problem since the original one isn't around to match up to buy the correct one. These old, German cars just seem to call my name. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anybody ever swap a 5-speed into 123 wagon?
Heck, even a well built TH400 has a hard time holding up to a 4BT Cummins. Let alone a wimpy Chrysler OD auto. Mike - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody ever swap a 5-speed into 123 wagon? I've seen trannies rated on a per cylinder basis, suggesting that there is a maximum force per power pulse that they don't want to exceed. Yeah, the pounding that a 4B or 6B Cummins gives a tranny is one of the reasons Dodge has had tranny troubles over the years. It's _not_ a Chevy 350! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT '78 VW Rabbit questions
it's not the caps that matter. you left the s off europarts. 78 rabbit was maybe hte favorite car i ever owned. changed hte points and plugs every 5k miles and never had the slightest hint of ignition trouble despite the car having 280k miles. would still have it if a tree didn't fall on it and kill it :( On 5/25/07, Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, www.BuyEUROparts.com and www.BuyASIANparts.com Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT '78 VW Rabbit questions www.BuyEUROparts.com On 5/25/07, Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rusty has Asian parts at www.BuyASIANparts.com and European parts at www.BuyEUROpart.com Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT '78 VW Rabbit questions Good source for parts is www.germanautoparts.com. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wouldn't recommend them for MB parts; despite they name they are really pretty much VW/Audi oriented. Or maybe Rusty -- don't know if he handles VW parts. Allan Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, we've had our hands on the free '78 Rabbit for a whole week now. This was the one that had been sitting for a couple years due to a bad alternator. The alternator has been removed which, I believe, could be the source of our problem. We installed new battery cables, but nothing is working in the car, no accessories, lights, turn signals, nada. It will run when gas is put into the throttle body, but it can only be started by jumping the solenoid. I'm guessing that the alt completes the circuits, and everything will work normally once the CORRECT alternator is installed and connected. This is a problem since the original one isn't around to match up to buy the correct one. These old, German cars just seem to call my name. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 79 240D A/C - where to start?
You can check those switches with a VOM, see if they are open or closed as they are supposed to be (or not). --R LarryT wrote: You need someone with gauges to see how much pressure the system has. The compressor has High-pressure and Low pressure shutoffs - so the problem could be not enough freon (low pressure), or some other problem causing too high pressure. Or, the 3rd possible problem, the power wire to the compressor clutch may be damaged - which happens occassionally. And of course the fuse could be blown - But without the proper gauges it's hard to do much except check for power to the clutch. The aux fan will not work unless the AC is working. That always seemed odd to me - if the engine temp was too high I'd want the aux fan to run whether the ac was on or not. But, as usual, MB neglected to ask me when they were designing these fine cars. If only they'd ask me - or better yet, this list - could have helped them fine-tune the design. ;-). Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Kevin J. Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 11:41 AM Subject: [MBZ] 79 240D A/C - where to start? Our 240D has inoperable A/C (manual controls though). We did a quick check by starting the car and turning the A/C dial to high. Compressor didn't even attempt to kick in. Aux fan didn't start running either, but it does spin easily. Can someone give me a quick list of things to check to get started in diagnosing this? ...Kevin 1979 240D 161k mi 1987 300TD 262k mi (in the shop getting inspected) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/817 - Release Date: 5/24/2007 4:01 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] actuator trouble
I do need some assistance. I have pulled the actuators from my rear doors. They are Swiss made with a clip that holds the long screw-on rod to the top. That one comes off easily enough by opening the clip. The replacement ones from Kaleb have a Mercedes name and logo and part # on them, but the short screw-on rod, which also has to be removed by releasing the part that holds it, I can't figure out. The short rod goes down into a contraption that is solid around one side and has three clips that hold the other side, all seeming to hold down the piece that actually houses the rod, which turns freely inside it. Not a clue as to what to do with it, and don't want to try anything else for fear of doing damage to it. If that is not enough to trip the collective memories I can post pics or each one.. Thanks - BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 290k miles, with two non-functioning rear door locks.
Re: [MBZ] Thanks to the Veterans
I suspect most all of this list would agree with you on this one. Though I had a deferment I was scheduled to go into the USAF following graduation from college when a drunk driver put an end to those plans. My son and son-in-law are currently active duty, and my son's wife was. There are Rear Admirals and assorted other military folks in the family history. They are the ones who let us be what we are today. Bless 'em all. Wish I could have been one of them. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 9:28 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thanks to the Veterans Tom P. wrote: I want to say THANK YOU personally to any and all veterans on this list. I second that! All veterans deserve our support. I also want to apologize to all veterans on behalf of the State of Kansas for the actions of Reverend Fred Phelps. He is the jacka** from Westboro Baptist Church who organizes pickets at the funerals of the soldiers who died in Iraq. (He also protested at the funerals of those killed at Virginia Tech) Thank God, many states are now establishing funeral protection zones to prevent people like him from picketing at funerals. As far as I am concerned, there is a special place in hell for him. I hope he is wearing gasoline panties while he is there. If you have never heard of him, just google Fred Phelps and funeral protests. I always regretted not entering the military, my family has such a long history of service. My Grandfather served in WWII, Korea and Vietnam. My Father served in Vietnam, Desert Storm and volunteered to be called up for Operation Iraqi Freedom. He recently retired after serving for over 35 years. My Uncle earned the Silver Star (and several other medals) in Vietnam. Most of his medals were awarded posthumously because he was killed by a sniper the day after saving his entire platoon. His documented heroics were part of the decision to award him the Silver Star. His name was Donald Pumphrey - I am named after him. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dealer service (was: R12 is Good Stuff)
Where are you? On 5/25/07, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/25/07, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This one seems honest and competent, but of course a little spendy. They have now started a classic care center- they have four mechanics who have over 70 years of combined experience-you can ask for one of them. I had one do the valves on my 240D. That's an encouraging sign. My local M-B dealer is renowned for their incompetence and ignorance of any car older than a decade or so. There are a couple of great indys in town, so it's not really an issue, but I still find it annoying for some reason. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dealer service (was: R12 is Good Stuff)
Portland, Oregon. MBI Motors is the main indy here, known as an M100 specialist although I've seen everything from Gullwings to gray-market G-Wagens to plain old beat-up W123 300Ds there. Alex Chamberlain On 5/25/07, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where are you? On 5/25/07, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/25/07, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This one seems honest and competent, but of course a little spendy. They have now started a classic care center- they have four mechanics who have over 70 years of combined experience-you can ask for one of them. I had one do the valves on my 240D. That's an encouraging sign. My local M-B dealer is renowned for their incompetence and ignorance of any car older than a decade or so. There are a couple of great indys in town, so it's not really an issue, but I still find it annoying for some reason. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Overdrive and heat
It seems than at Fri, 25 May 2007 09:33:24 -0500, Dan wrote: On May 25, 2007, at 9:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Overdrive creates tons of heat in any tranny if it's pulling hard and that heat will destroy junk US made trannies. That's what I thought, too, but it wasn't the case, at least with my 700R4. I pulled a 26', 4000lb airstream for a while with a caprice wagon, and installed a trans temp gauge and a big cooler. The GM 700R4 is know to slip because the piston for 4th doesn't supply enough force for the band. Especially if the engine is strong. I believe the Corvette version solved the problem. But it is risky to generate lots of torque in overdrive on a stock transmission. With a temp gauge, I would think the slip would cause enough heat to be obvious - but maybe not soon enough. On one of the 700R4 that have passed through my Suburban I could see the slip with the tachometer. At that point the transmission was about to loose the front pump. Quite unrelated to a slipping band! I'm glad yours survived. *smile* -- Philip, pretending to be an expert.
Re: [MBZ] OT '78 VW Rabbit questions
Thanks, Mike, for the offer. If he has one, let me know. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula 1978 VW Rabbit 137Kmi, not runnin' yet
Re: [MBZ] 79 240D A/C - where to start?
Find the low pressure switch ( can't remember on that model, should be near the accumulatorbig thing that looks like an upright can ) turn the key on and ac on and pull the plug off of it, one of the wires should be hot, if so, run a jumper wire across the plug , and start the car, if the clutch on the compressor engages, you're low on refrigerant and will ( best ) need to get a set of gages on the thing to see how far down it is, and check to see if it's been converted to r134a or not. If 134, you can get off cheap with one of those big cans of the stuff with a low side gage attached and if that's not enough, extra cans will screw onto the things. If wire is hot but clutch doesn't engage, clutch or wire to it bad, if one wire of plug is not hot, either dash controls or wire in between bad. --Robert Kevin J. Slater wrote: Our 240D has inoperable A/C (manual controls though). We did a quick check by starting the car and turning the A/C dial to high. Compressor didn't even attempt to kick in. Aux fan didn't start running either, but it does spin easily. Can someone give me a quick list of things to check to get started in diagnosing this? ...Kevin 1979 240D 161k mi 1987 300TD 262k mi (in the shop getting inspected) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Overdrive and heat
You hit the nail on the head There are kits available for some heavy electric control transmissions that will rig them to keep the torque converter locked on the way down through 2nd gear so when you start dropping gears on long pulls, you don't get the slipping TC overheating the fluid. -Robert Dan Weeks wrote: On May 25, 2007, at 9:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Overdrive creates tons of heat in any tranny if it's pulling hard and that heat will destroy junk US made trannies. That's what I thought, too, but it wasn't the case, at least with my 700R4. I pulled a 26', 4000lb airstream for a while with a caprice wagon, and installed a trans temp gauge and a big cooler. I found there was no difference between running wide open in overdrive and running wide open in direct--as long as the converter was locked up. Since the converter on my trans was always locked in OD, this was never a problem in that gear. However, when the converter unlocked in direct, the temps would start to climb some, indicating that the real heat was being produced by the TC, not the gears and bearings. So for that setup, at least, I didn't hesitate to tow in OD when it would pull cruising speed (65) and never had a problem. And this trans had 150+k on it at the time. I've never done a similar test with an uncooled manual OD trannies, although I pulled a 16' travel trailer with a Chrysler 4-speed OD (Behind a 225 slant six!) in overdrive with no problems also, but I figured the 225 didn't make enough torque in overdrive at cruise to do any damage. Dan Dan Weeks Freelance Writer and Photographer 515/279-4825 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thanks to the Veterans
I must have missed something - who is this guy Phelps? is he protesting something? Who/what is he? TIA Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thanks to the Veterans Mitch wrote: I don't care how old he is. If he showed up at the funeral of a member of my family with his rump ranger graphic signs, I'd not quit beating on him when he fell down, I'd make sure he'd do serious hospital time. (and I don't think a jury would convict me in my hometowm) Mitch. You theory was tested a few years in Topeka (where Fred Phelps lives and practices his evil). An older woman drove on a sidewalk for almost 100 yards crashing through his protest trying to run him over. I think he was barely clipped. During her trial, the judge concluded that it was a mechanical failure of the accelerator and dismissed all charges. The judge made this determination without anyone even offering this sort of evidence. I am sure it would have been different if anyone had been really hurt. But, I don't think Phelps would ever find a jury of peers in Topeka. To complicate matters, Mr. Phelps is an attorney (he was disbarred quite a while ago. Every law student in Kansas studies the decisions of the Kansas Supreme Court disbarring him during the required ethics and professional responsibility course). He graduated from Washburn Law School (the same law school I graduated from). He has 13 children. 11 of them are attorneys and 10 of them graduated from Washburn. 1 was not admitted, so he protests the law school also. He protested at my graduation (he goes to all the law school graduations). His granddaughter worked in the law library while I was there. She didn't seem evil. But, I saw her protesting at all of his places in Topeka, so I am sure being around him and all of his hate-mongering has warped her. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/817 - Release Date: 5/24/2007 4:01 PM
Re: [MBZ] OT '78 VW Rabbit questions
The hot wire for the dash buss is probably connected to the alternator with the charging wire. On the Benz it's on the starter where the battery cable goes, so you might check there, too -- they tend to slip up inside the cover and don't get connected. No alternator output will shut off the fuel pump it if has CIS injection. Peter
Re: [MBZ] DIY Powdercoating
The home Powder coat system needs approx 425F. While I;m limited to small projects, I have a toaster oven which works for the home system. I just don't have room for a full-sized oven - higher temps is not necesssary - at least for my small jobs. I assume a large item would drop the temp when it first enters the oven and the oven would need to recover to the 425 needed. So I think heat recovery time is more critical than max high temp. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] DIY Powdercoating I see a host of old stoves for free on CL and am sure you could shove one in the garage with a huge extension cord to your dryer plug in. Bound to be able to reach at least 500* for a few hours as needed. Also will not upset SWMBA by baking your own wheels and brownies out there. On May 25, 2007, at 1:23 AM, Peter T. Arnold wrote: A coworker used a kit he obtained fron Eastwood to powder coat 4 old ratty aluminum wheels. They came out VERY nice. Remember you have to have ability to bake at about 400 degrees. -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, Fun to drive so far 1987 300SDL 280KMI Inherited by Grandson 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 196Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/817 - Release Date: 5/24/2007 4:01 PM
