Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 5w50
Being in Quebec your local Esso agent (see phone book) should have anything and everything Mobil. Mind you need to buy a box of 4 by 4L jugs of Delvac 1. On Nov 8, 2007, at 9:20 PM, Steve MacSween wrote: > Anyone know any reason I ought not to use this for winter in an OM617? > > I asked about M1 winter grades a while back and the consensus was > more or > less 5w40. However, whoever does the stocking here in Canada sits > on their > brains as far as I can tell. 15w40 or 5w40 are not even available > on special > order. Duh. > > I've checked both WalMart and Crappy Tire. > > If I want Delvac 5w40 I will have to drive to Ogdensburg NY to the > WallyMart > there. > > Thanks > > -- > "Mac" > Steve MacSween > Aylmer, Quebec (Canada) > Mercedes: '82 300sd / '82 240d (x2) / '60 220s > Volvo: '87 245 (waiting for OM616 transplant) > SAAB: '83 900T (waiting for a miracle) > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Mobil 1 5w50
Anyone know any reason I ought not to use this for winter in an OM617? I asked about M1 winter grades a while back and the consensus was more or less 5w40. However, whoever does the stocking here in Canada sits on their brains as far as I can tell. 15w40 or 5w40 are not even available on special order. Duh. I've checked both WalMart and Crappy Tire. If I want Delvac 5w40 I will have to drive to Ogdensburg NY to the WallyMart there. Thanks -- "Mac" Steve MacSween Aylmer, Quebec (Canada) Mercedes: '82 300sd / '82 240d (x2) / '60 220s Volvo: '87 245 (waiting for OM616 transplant) SAAB: '83 900T (waiting for a miracle) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] this thing could taco at any moment
That reminds me of an article I read some time ago Car& Driver or maybe MT, ?about a conversion company in California that does the convertible conversions. I believe I remember they did a few of those 300 coupes. If memory serves me right they charged 50K for the car and the chop top. Harry 69 280 SEL 72 350SL ? 04 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata ? -Original Message- From: R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 5:26 pm Subject: Re: [MBZ] this thing could taco at any moment Not accurate to refer to it as a "convertible". That implies it can be converted from an open to closed vehicle. No mention of any additional stiffening welded into the undercarriage to offset the missing roof. I wouldn't be able to license it here as it would neve pass the safety test. Wonder how mouldy the interior is. CT gets rain as I recall. AZ maybe but CT is a bit cold and wet for no roof at all. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 4:31 PM To: Banned List; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] this thing could taco at any moment http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300CD-1984-Mercedes-300CD-Topless-2-door-diesel_W0QQitemZ30 0169784785QQihZ020QQcategoryZ6330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] this thing could taco at any moment
Give a goober a blowtorch and an angle grinder and this is what you get. --R Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300CD-1984-Mercedes-300CD-Topless-2-door-diesel_W0QQitemZ300169784785QQihZ020QQcategoryZ6330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] considering two vehicles...
Buy both and make one good car out of them. On Nov 8, 2007 8:04 PM, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Which would you choose? I'm more inclined towards the rust-free > -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Buehler, Buehler, Buehler, Anybody?
Redghost wrote: > http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/473075003.html These are really neat cars and a lot of fun to drive, but, yikes, $95k? The engine compartment is pretty freaky and that's the wrong air cleaner. No tonneau cover and most importantly, no mention of the condition of the wooden door frames - sag city. I'd hold out for a Hiro Yamagata "Earthly Paradise" car: http://www.170220.com/Gallery170/thumbnails.php?album=topn&cat=-68 Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bio
The cost of corn has nothing to do with biodiesel. It has everything to do with the cost of ethanol. Here is the drill. The corn grown here is intended to be fed to livestock. It also makes ethanol. Market forces determine where it goes. Soybeans are grown with a similar market. Diesel or pigs, whatever the market says. Don Iowa On Nov 8, 2007 8:48 PM, ernest breakfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > what does the cost of Corn have to do with BioDiesel? -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bio
On Nov 8, 2007, at 6:48 PM, ernest breakfield wrote: > what does the cost of Corn have to do with BioDiesel? i'd never > heard of > anyone anywhere using Corn for BioDiesel; it's far too low-yield and > doesn't make good enough fuel to even bother with. i've only heard of > Corn being used (in the US) for making Ethanol, not BioDiesel. That would be E85 or E15? or the 10% ethanol used in top tier gasoline . Lots of gasoline being consumed in the USA. Lots of kickbacks to make and consume E85... >"it's far too low-yield and > doesn't make good enough fuel to even bother with." Why should that stop any USA congressman? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] doing your part
while Palm Oil yields very high-energy BioD, it unfortunately makes for fuel with a very high cloud point. yes, Indonesia has been particularly irresponsible if their quest to profit off of the demand for the fuel; proof that any good thing can be screwed up by short-sighted greed. cheers! e Rich Thomas wrote: > Palm oil is a very good feedstock for bio-d, a lot of the tropics are > being converted to oil palm tree farms, cutting down forests and such. > I have seen reports that it is particularly a problem in Indonesia. > > No free lunch (or fuel). > > --R > > Allan Streib wrote: > >> John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> >> >> Well yes. Requires lye for the esterification, has byproducts of >> glycerin (which I guess is pretty harmless) and I don't know what >> else. Also if you're raising soybeans or some other crop there is the >> environmental impact of the farming operations. >> >> Allan >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bio
what does the cost of Corn have to do with BioDiesel? i'd never heard of anyone anywhere using Corn for BioDiesel; it's far too low-yield and doesn't make good enough fuel to even bother with. i've only heard of Corn being used (in the US) for making Ethanol, not BioDiesel. most of the BioD we see here is made of Soy (in spite of the fact that Rapeseed has a higher energy yield and makes better BioD at these latitudes, as they've been proving for years in Europe). one beauty of the Soy-Based BioD i've been using for most of the last few years is that the oil's already been used for cooking before it was made into BioD. as for prices, #2 prices are within pennies of commercially available BioD here now. as for feeling better? heck yeah; makes me feel better, even if i don't have kids that are getting sent off to war, or kids that are going to inherit the mess that's being made of our planet. cheers! e [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > It all comes out of your wallet, eventually. You are not aware of all the > corn-related products costing more now? > > I'm saying hybrid buyers and alternate fuel buyers are ignoring prices to > "feel better". > > RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] doing your part
Palm oil is a very good feedstock for bio-d, a lot of the tropics are being converted to oil palm tree farms, cutting down forests and such. I have seen reports that it is particularly a problem in Indonesia. No free lunch (or fuel). --R Allan Streib wrote: > John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> How is buying biodiesel similar to ignoring the extra environmental cost >> of batteries?? Is there some extra environmental cost of biodiesel? >> > > Well yes. Requires lye for the esterification, has byproducts of > glycerin (which I guess is pretty harmless) and I don't know what > else. Also if you're raising soybeans or some other crop there is the > environmental impact of the farming operations. > > Allan > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] this thing could taco at any moment
I always thought the C123 would make a nice-looking roadster. Our C114 sure looks good, and it even still has the (removable) hardtop. The size of the (absolutely required) 2x6x1/4" C channel iron underneath is frightening, but prevents the doors from jamming. I loosened one once and the door on that side promptly pinched. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] considering two vehicles...
> Which would you choose? I'm more inclined towards the rust-free It would depend (to me) on a detailed evaluation of the rust. If it truly was surface rust, as opposed to hidden cancer that was finally burrowing out, I'd be tempted to take it. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rodbender question
Stuck rings? Any carbon in the oil pan? Jim > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. > Striplin, work > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:38 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] rodbender question > > So you have to pull the head to find out, wont show up in a > test? I probably have bent rods on my 140, it uses way too > much oil, but does not smoke at all. Maybe its going somewhere else. > > --- > Kaleb C. Striplin > Cox Auto Trader > 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor > > - Original Message - > From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 2:28 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] rodbender question > > > > > > > > "Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT)" wrote: > >> > >> Will a compression or leak down test show bent rods etc? > > > > It should show egged out cylinders and pistons after the rods > > have been bent a while. (of course, the blue cloud behind > > the car indicates much the same thing) > > > > Mitch. > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 420 again
Kaleb, I've not been able to find time to take pictures of the 220#. Unfortunately, I'm working 80hrs + / wk. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 9:04 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 420 again well as soon as I get the ip back on my 92 2.5turbo, I will be back in that game again. Then I will still need to sell the 420. OK Don wrote: > Hmmm - my 300D 2.5 is 29.375 mpg this tank. > > On 11/2/07, Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Well my 420 is now up to 21mpg. >> > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 94 E320, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids
And to carry your logic a little further, why not just drive down hill all the time? Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 11/08/07 04:14 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= You wrote < when you park it)>> I've got it!! Put a windmill on the roof!! Drive and charge! ;-D Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids > andrew strasfogel wrote: >> >> Scr*w plug in hybrids. Just mount a PV arrray on the roof of the car >> to trickle charge the batteries in broad daylight. Doesn't that make >> more sense? > > Well, you might fit 300-500W of PV in the roof, which would give you > 1-3kwh > pre day if oriented to the south at the proper angle, less if built into > the car roof (unless you want to jack up the car and point it at the sun > when you park it). What's it worth to gain 30 kwh a month? How many kwh > per month would you put in the batteries of a pluggable hybrid? > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.25/1118 - Release Date: > 11/8/2007 9:29 AM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] this thing could taco at any moment
Or a testament to the fabricator who created & welded on the sub-frame. VW convertibles were built on the same chassis as the bug - the factory welded 2 box shape stiffener bars down either side. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 4:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] this thing could taco at any moment "Kaleb C. Striplin \(CAT\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300CD-1984-Mercedes- 300CD-Topless-2-door-diesel_W0QQitemZ300169784785QQihZ020QQcategoryZ6330QQss PageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Gawd if the doors even close with the roof cut off like that that's a testament to the stiffness of the chassis. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] this thing could taco at any moment
I've seen an early 70s Ford wagon sag in the middle. The car belonged to a high school buddy of mine in Western NY State, the rust capital of the World. He hit a pot hole one day & it went crunch, then none of the doors would open. We could open the doors by laying a piece of wood across a roll around jack & jacking the center of the car up. It actually did not look that bad. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sunil Hari Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 5:01 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] this thing could taco at any moment just never heard it used as a verb, nor had I considered a CAR folding in on itself. I'm a little slow on the uptake; I blame shift work. On Nov 8, 2007 5:56 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin, work <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do you know what a taco is? Do you know what they look like? > > --- > Kaleb C. Striplin > Cox Auto Trader > 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor > > - Original Message - > From: "Sunil Hari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 4:55 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] this thing could taco at any moment > > > > Taco? Explain please. > > > > On Nov 8, 2007 5:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300CD-1984-Mercedes- 300CD-Topless-2-door-diesel_W0QQitemZ300169784785QQihZ020QQcategoryZ6330QQss PageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >> > >> > >> > >> --- > >> Kaleb C. Striplin > >> Cox Auto Trader > >> 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Sunil Hari > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > 513-205-7474 > > 614-441-8164 > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 614-441-8164 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bio
I disagree (as the father of a Honda Civic hybrid owner). It doesn't have to do with prices. It does involve feeling better, because every gallon of fuel we don't burn lessens the grip on our testicles placed there by OPEC. If I have to pay extra to burn bio then I am willing to do so. Biodiesel? Bring it on. I am a vegetarian so don't care how much corn or soybeans isn't fed to potential dinners. On Nov 8, 2007 7:16 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm saying hybrid buyers and alternate fuel buyers are ignoring prices to > "feel better". > > RLE > > > ** > See what's new at http://www.aol.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bio
<> It all comes out of your wallet, eventually. You are not aware of all the corn-related products costing more now? I'm saying hybrid buyers and alternate fuel buyers are ignoring prices to "feel better". RLE ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Buehler, Buehler, Buehler, Anybody?
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/473075003.html I think I busted a vein or something. I would gladly trade Gump in for her -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids
Yeah, there's a grocery co-op I sometimes go to in Seattle that makes you feel guilty for requesting a grocery bag. I appreciate the effort to help the enviro. on the grocery bag issue, but they really ought to handle it better with the customers than assuming you don't need a bag, then copping a 'tude when you ask for one. But then this place is not real long on customer service. Or maybe I just look pretty lame to the pierced, tatooed, guess-my-gender cashiers. Trader Joe's is right next door, and they are friendly, and dole out double paper bags with handles and no guilt. Hey, re-using bags as dookie bags on dog walks counts, right? Brian > Logic is still winning... re-using any type of bag is going to use less > resources than producing a new one (or recycling one). > > John > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids
you wrote:<> Maybe it's a matter of the size of the remains - but I put some stuff in leaf bags for storage in the attic. It gets pretty hot up there and I was mostly looking for dust protection. Anyway, after a few years the black plastic fell apart when touched, I cannot pick them up without the bags turning to tiny flakes of plastic. I have no idea how long those flakes will last or how small the pieces will eventually become - and they obviously never become compost to feed the growing of a plant, -- I guess the plastic molecules never go anywhere? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "R A Bennell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids > The bottom line is that the paper bag will likely compost itself to > nothing but the plastic bag will be with us > always. Even better is to carry your own re-usable bags or bins. That has > become pretty common here with the > grocery type stores. They promote it and sell the bags or bins cheaply. > Don't think it will be popular with many > other stores though as they all worry that you are trying to walk out with > goods without paying. > > Second issue in same post. One would think that the batteries in the > hybrid cars can be recycled. Some plastic, > some lead etc. Shouldn't be all that difficult to re-use them somehow. > Fancier than a standard car battery I am > sure but the old standard car battery seems to be in demand for recycling > purposes. They have always had a value at > the scrap yards. > > Randy > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Hargrave > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 4:04 PM > To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids > > > They are and always have been and always will be closed minded. Anyone > on a mission is. > > I remember years ago during the first oil crises when the same mindset > was moving the entire country away from plastic bags and towards paper > bags at the grocery stores. Then someone took the time to research the > true cost of both and discovered that it took more oil to make a paper > bag than it took to make a plastic bag. > > So, now we have plastic bags at the grocery stores. > > Logic won the bag issue but I'm afrait it won't with hybrid vehicles. > > Tom > www.kegkits.com > > Original Message > From: Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: 11/08/07 03:54 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > I like to analyze communities I visit or live in by the most commonly > seen cars there. Here on Bainbridge, I think that the Prius even beats > the Subaru in sheer numbers. It's not uncommon to have three or more > of them in sight at once when driving down a two lane road. > > I suppose the hills around here make it a "good" choice. But I have > always questioned the manufacturing/disposal processes of the > batteries, etc. And this thread has added to my mind another issue > that I have not thought a lot about: the environmental impact of > manufacturing new vehicles vs. keeping old ones on the road. > > I wonder if the open-minded, Obama sticker-pasting, free thinkers > around here are more sheep-like than they know. > > Brian > > On 11/8/07, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > I guess that's the thinking behind hybrids? But isn't there a > penalty >> > to >> > hybrids which must drag all that electrical stuff around when it > isn;t >> > needed or being used? (like long trips) >> >> The thinking behind hybrids is that the charge/discharge cycle >> of the electric parts is more efficient than the motor, in terms >> of having a motor large enough for initial acceleration and passing >> versus steady-state top speed long-haul driving. The tiny gas motor >> is for the long haul and recharging, the electrics for the 'go'. >> >> The thing is, diesels are pretty efficient at partial throttle, >> whereas gas engines are less so. Diesel hybrids may not offer >> much greater efficiencies than pure diesels as a result. But >> they could offer a lot more pleasant driving if the electric >> parts gave it better acceleration. >> >> Oh, and the regenerative braking. Which is near useless for >> highway driving considering how little braking is usually done. >> >> The size (weight/cost) of the battery pack depends a lot on >> the duty cycle you expect out of it. If it's just initial >> acceleration and some braking reserve, the batteries don't >> need to be particularly large. For more EV-like behavior, >> where the motor may not run at all at times, the pack needs >> to be bigger. >> >> -- Jim >> >> >>
Re: [MBZ] considering two vehicles...
You wrote:<> You need to experiment with POR15. Properly prepared, it will last for years. Also - what are the 2 kinds of cars being considered? I'd probably go with the mechanically challenged vehicle also BTW - I must prefer working on mechanical things to bodywork. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Allan Streib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 6:15 PM Subject: [MBZ] considering two vehicles... > > Same make and model, 15+ years of age. > > One has a nice interior, single owner, lots of records and maintenance > has been kept up. But it has "some surface rust". > > The other appears to be rust-free, but paint a bit faded, the interior > is tired (would probably respond to a good detailing though), > multi-owner, some records but spotty. Would probably need catch-up on > deferred mechanical maintenance, maybe things like rehabbing the > suspension, flush and fill all fluids, etc. > > Which would you choose? I'm more inclined towards the rust-free one > because I just HATE trying to fix rust. Mechanical stuff doesn't seem > like such a nightmare; even if the repairs in the end are similar $$, > in my experience rust almost always comes back, usually pretty > quickly. > > Thoughts? > > Allan > -- > 1983 300D > 1966 230 > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.25/1118 - Release Date: > 11/8/2007 9:29 AM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids
Mitch wrote:<> Mitch, Mitch, Mitch! Come on now, you know the answer - you know better - what were you thinking? - suggesting the govt should think and act logically when dealing with an emotional issue(or any issue for that matter)!! They will pull at the heartstrings and milk it for advertising for as long as it takes for the media to find another important story - They will never take the logical path when they have a potential vote getting issue to deal with! Silly you! now, go beat yourself with a wet noodle - Good luck - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids > > > LarryT wrote: >> >> That's because the media has it's own agenda - which is Hybrid cars >> regardless of the logic. > > What grinds my shorts is the fact that gov't picks a technology, > like hybrids, subsidizes it stupidly (would you rather have somebody > driving to work in a Prius or a passenger truck? Let's give double > the subsidy to the passenger truck) and deliver a multi year > setback to other, often superior, alternatives. Why not just > give out a mpg subsidy and let the manufacturers and buyers > settle on the most efficient technology to get the mpgs? > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.25/1118 - Release Date: > 11/8/2007 9:29 AM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rodbender question
I seem to remember something about NOT sleeving the 350, but the 300 is sleeved at the factory. New sleeves, rods, pistons, and bearings were $5000 six or so years ago when I thought I might need to rebuild my 603. More now. Engine can be rebuilt, but it will likely cost more than a new one, those piston sets are EXPENSIVE, and so are the new rods (you can't get single replacements for the old ones, the only available rods --the good ones -- are 50 gr or so heavier and you must do all six.) Factory long block is around $7000. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rodbender question
Check the turbo seals -- lots of oil in the intake with no significant blowby means the bearings in the turbo are shot, allowing the shaft to eat the seals. Lotta oil up the intake, usually, followed by serious oil smoke out the back on acceleration. Usually accompanied by a "lazy" turbo because it doesn't rotate a low load. Pull the intake hose and spin the turbo by hand (engine off, please!). Any axial play (a bit of side to side is OK, audible clunk is not) or stiffeness in rotation is a bad turbo. Should spin easily with finger pressure and continue for a bit when you let go, although diesel turbos are stiffer than gasser ones for some reason. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rodbender question
Bent rods cause a horrible clank from a loose cylinder (the piston gets "sideways" in the bore and wears it oval) accompanied by serious blowby and oil consumption. It won't take a compression test to find it unless the rod happened to bend exactly in plane with the crank and wrist pins. That gives low compression in one cylinder only, and the piston will be low in the engine if you remove the head and rotate the crankshaft. Fairly unlikely, though. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Canadian Postal Money Order
Sending money across is a pain unless you are close to the border. This is a good time to use PayPal -- no fee for "translating" the currency. I've sent money to Canada and Great Britain with no problems and no extra cost. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W140 FM antenna question, once more
Far as I know the radio gets it's FM signal from the regular antenna. Why put an antenna in the bumper, it is not going to get the best reception there. Walt Lasher wrote: > Subject: W140 FM antenna question AGAIN > > My FM is intermittently fuzzy, where is the FM antenna located, Is it in > the regular antenna or in the rear bumper? > I think I need to check the connections. > > Walt Lasher > W140 S350 > Everett, WA > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] this thing could taco at any moment
Not accurate to refer to it as a "convertible". That implies it can be converted from an open to closed vehicle. No mention of any additional stiffening welded into the undercarriage to offset the missing roof. I wouldn't be able to license it here as it would neve pass the safety test. Wonder how mouldy the interior is. CT gets rain as I recall. AZ maybe but CT is a bit cold and wet for no roof at all. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 4:31 PM To: Banned List; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] this thing could taco at any moment http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300CD-1984-Mercedes-300CD-Topless-2-door-diesel_W0QQitemZ30 0169784785QQihZ020QQcategoryZ6330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] this thing could taco at any moment
on 11/8/07 18:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > LOL! kind of like Google is now a verb..Kaleb could have said it could > "pull an el foldo" but Kaleb is a man of few words. And less cash, as many a Mercedes seller has discovered ;-). Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids
The bottom line is that the paper bag will likely compost itself to nothing but the plastic bag will be with us always. Even better is to carry your own re-usable bags or bins. That has become pretty common here with the grocery type stores. They promote it and sell the bags or bins cheaply. Don't think it will be popular with many other stores though as they all worry that you are trying to walk out with goods without paying. Second issue in same post. One would think that the batteries in the hybrid cars can be recycled. Some plastic, some lead etc. Shouldn't be all that difficult to re-use them somehow. Fancier than a standard car battery I am sure but the old standard car battery seems to be in demand for recycling purposes. They have always had a value at the scrap yards. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 4:04 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids They are and always have been and always will be closed minded. Anyone on a mission is. I remember years ago during the first oil crises when the same mindset was moving the entire country away from plastic bags and towards paper bags at the grocery stores. Then someone took the time to research the true cost of both and discovered that it took more oil to make a paper bag than it took to make a plastic bag. So, now we have plastic bags at the grocery stores. Logic won the bag issue but I'm afrait it won't with hybrid vehicles. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 11/08/07 03:54 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= I like to analyze communities I visit or live in by the most commonly seen cars there. Here on Bainbridge, I think that the Prius even beats the Subaru in sheer numbers. It's not uncommon to have three or more of them in sight at once when driving down a two lane road. I suppose the hills around here make it a "good" choice. But I have always questioned the manufacturing/disposal processes of the batteries, etc. And this thread has added to my mind another issue that I have not thought a lot about: the environmental impact of manufacturing new vehicles vs. keeping old ones on the road. I wonder if the open-minded, Obama sticker-pasting, free thinkers around here are more sheep-like than they know. Brian On 11/8/07, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I guess that's the thinking behind hybrids? But isn't there a penalty > > to > > hybrids which must drag all that electrical stuff around when it isn;t > > needed or being used? (like long trips) > > The thinking behind hybrids is that the charge/discharge cycle > of the electric parts is more efficient than the motor, in terms > of having a motor large enough for initial acceleration and passing > versus steady-state top speed long-haul driving. The tiny gas motor > is for the long haul and recharging, the electrics for the 'go'. > > The thing is, diesels are pretty efficient at partial throttle, > whereas gas engines are less so. Diesel hybrids may not offer > much greater efficiencies than pure diesels as a result. But > they could offer a lot more pleasant driving if the electric > parts gave it better acceleration. > > Oh, and the regenerative braking. Which is near useless for > highway driving considering how little braking is usually done. > > The size (weight/cost) of the battery pack depends a lot on > the duty cycle you expect out of it. If it's just initial > acceleration and some braking reserve, the batteries don't > need to be particularly large. For more EV-like behavior, > where the motor may not run at all at times, the pack needs > to be bigger. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] considering two vehicles...
Same make and model, 15+ years of age. One has a nice interior, single owner, lots of records and maintenance has been kept up. But it has "some surface rust". The other appears to be rust-free, but paint a bit faded, the interior is tired (would probably respond to a good detailing though), multi-owner, some records but spotty. Would probably need catch-up on deferred mechanical maintenance, maybe things like rehabbing the suspension, flush and fill all fluids, etc. Which would you choose? I'm more inclined towards the rust-free one because I just HATE trying to fix rust. Mechanical stuff doesn't seem like such a nightmare; even if the repairs in the end are similar $$, in my experience rust almost always comes back, usually pretty quickly. Thoughts? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] this thing could taco at any moment
In a message dated 11/8/2007 4:01:45 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: just never heard it used as a verb, nor had I considered a CAR folding in on itself. LOL! kind of like Google is now a verb..Kaleb could have said it could "pull an el foldo" but Kaleb is a man of few words. Regards. Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 152 K miles ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] this thing could taco at any moment
just never heard it used as a verb, nor had I considered a CAR folding in on itself. I'm a little slow on the uptake; I blame shift work. On Nov 8, 2007 5:56 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin, work <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do you know what a taco is? Do you know what they look like? > > --- > Kaleb C. Striplin > Cox Auto Trader > 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor > > - Original Message - > From: "Sunil Hari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 4:55 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] this thing could taco at any moment > > > > Taco? Explain please. > > > > On Nov 8, 2007 5:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300CD-1984-Mercedes-300CD-Topless-2-door-diesel_W0QQitemZ300169784785QQihZ020QQcategoryZ6330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >> > >> > >> > >> --- > >> Kaleb C. Striplin > >> Cox Auto Trader > >> 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Sunil Hari > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > 513-205-7474 > > 614-441-8164 > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 614-441-8164 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Canadian Postal Money Order
on 11/8/07 9:44, Gary Thompson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > What do you international FleaBay pros do in situations like this? Do > you just eat it, or is there a better way to convert one of these > things into cash? Anybody on the border want to broker this thing for > me? Any United States Postal Service post office has to cash it for you. If the clerk refuses (happened to one of my eBay vendors once), ask to speak to the postmaster. As for the banks, the bit about clearing U.S.-Canada being complicated and long is unfortunately true. However, the service fee some US banks levy for it is pure inventive gouging as far as I can tell. My experience, in the pre-PayPal era, was that the larger U.S. banks like Citi did not do this. The regional and local ones invariably did. Not sure if that is true overall, however. The major Canadian banks can all issue U.S. dollar checks under the logo of an affiliated U.S. bank. They are what you call a cashier's check, we call them a bank draft or bank money order. These are SUPPOSED to be trouble-free but a guy I sent one to in the U.S. said his bank started the yada yada about it as well. He argued that and won. -- "Mac" Steve MacSween Aylmer, Quebec (Canada) Mercedes: '82 300sd / '82 240d (x2) / '60 220s ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids
Allan Streib wrote: > "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Logic won the bag issue but I'm afrait it won't with hybrid >> vehicles. > > Not everywhere. The local "organic" grocery does NOT use plastic > bags. They encourage bringing your own shopping bags, otherwise you > get paper bags (unbleached recycled paper of course) and pay $0.25 a > bag. Logic is still winning... re-using any type of bag is going to use less resources than producing a new one (or recycling one). John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] this thing could taco at any moment
Do you know what a taco is? Do you know what they look like? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: "Sunil Hari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] this thing could taco at any moment > Taco? Explain please. > > On Nov 8, 2007 5:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300CD-1984-Mercedes-300CD-Topless-2-door-diesel_W0QQitemZ300169784785QQihZ020QQcategoryZ6330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >> >> >> >> --- >> Kaleb C. Striplin >> Cox Auto Trader >> 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > > -- > Sunil Hari > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 513-205-7474 > 614-441-8164 > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] this thing could taco at any moment
Taco? Explain please. On Nov 8, 2007 5:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300CD-1984-Mercedes-300CD-Topless-2-door-diesel_W0QQitemZ300169784785QQihZ020QQcategoryZ6330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > --- > Kaleb C. Striplin > Cox Auto Trader > 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 614-441-8164 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] this thing could taco at any moment
"Kaleb C. Striplin \(CAT\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300CD-1984-Mercedes-300CD-Topless-2-door-diesel_W0QQitemZ300169784785QQihZ020QQcategoryZ6330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Gawd if the doors even close with the roof cut off like that that's a testament to the stiffness of the chassis. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Discount Tire
I have no idea just what all they did. Probably would not take the ED there. Simple laser alignment from what I saw. They futzed with it for a while then told me the bushings were all shot, if I got that fixed they would redo the work for free. I did not have the full set of bushings and other stuff, so kept it with the new tie rods. It has been great for two years so far, and compared to before I am really happy. Stays straight ahead instead of wandering like a drunk. clay On 7 Nov 2007, at 18:09, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > On Nov 7, 2007 4:18 PM, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Les and his boys did the alignment for Gump. > > So they knew about the spreader bar and all that? I wouldn't have > expected a chain store to know the right tricks. Or are 115s aligned > in a more conventional way than 123s and later? > > Alex Chamberlain > '87 300D Turbo et al. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids
"Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Logic won the bag issue but I'm afrait it won't with hybrid > vehicles. Not everywhere. The local "organic" grocery does NOT use plastic bags. They encourage bringing your own shopping bags, otherwise you get paper bags (unbleached recycled paper of course) and pay $0.25 a bag. Lots of hybrids in the parking lot, but also older Volvos and frequently VW and MB diesels probably burning bioD. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids
"Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I suppose the hills around here make it a "good" choice. But I have > always questioned the manufacturing/disposal processes of the > batteries, etc. And this thread has added to my mind another issue > that I have not thought a lot about: the environmental impact of > manufacturing new vehicles vs. keeping old ones on the road. I believe that with RARE exceptions, keeping any solid, functioning vehicle on the road is better for the environment *and* your own wallet than buying a new one. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] doing your part
John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > How is buying biodiesel similar to ignoring the extra environmental cost > of batteries?? Is there some extra environmental cost of biodiesel? Well yes. Requires lye for the esterification, has byproducts of glycerin (which I guess is pretty harmless) and I don't know what else. Also if you're raising soybeans or some other crop there is the environmental impact of the farming operations. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids
LarryT wrote: > > I've got it!! Put a windmill on the roof!! Drive and charge! ;-D When I was 12, I designed a perpetual motion go kart. Motive power supplied by a car battery, starter motor, and alternator. The idea was to recharge with the alternator on the fly. Never built it (fortunately) but I had some detailed drawings of the concept. At least I got to work on my drafting skills. I've seen pics of a ev pickup truck (small 1980s Ford Ranger IIRC) with a tipup windmill in the back. Owner worked long hours and his workplace parking was exposed to ocean breezes. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] this thing could taco at any moment
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Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids
LarryT wrote: > > That's because the media has it's own agenda - which is Hybrid cars > regardless of the logic. What grinds my shorts is the fact that gov't picks a technology, like hybrids, subsidizes it stupidly (would you rather have somebody driving to work in a Prius or a passenger truck? Let's give double the subsidy to the passenger truck) and deliver a multi year setback to other, often superior, alternatives. Why not just give out a mpg subsidy and let the manufacturers and buyers settle on the most efficient technology to get the mpgs? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids
you wrote:<> That's because the media has it's own agenda - which is Hybrid cars regardless of the logic. Besides, they've painted themselves into a corner with thousands of stories telling of the virtues of Hybrids and telling everyone how awful diesels are. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids > They are and always have been and always will be closed minded. Anyone > on a mission is. > > I remember years ago during the first oil crises when the same mindset > was moving the entire country away from plastic bags and towards paper > bags at the grocery stores. Then someone took the time to research the > true cost of both and discovered that it took more oil to make a paper > bag than it took to make a plastic bag. > > So, now we have plastic bags at the grocery stores. > > Logic won the bag issue but I'm afrait it won't with hybrid vehicles. > > Tom > www.kegkits.com > > Original Message > From: Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: 11/08/07 03:54 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > I like to analyze communities I visit or live in by the most commonly > seen cars there. Here on Bainbridge, I think that the Prius even beats > the Subaru in sheer numbers. It's not uncommon to have three or more > of them in sight at once when driving down a two lane road. > > I suppose the hills around here make it a "good" choice. But I have > always questioned the manufacturing/disposal processes of the > batteries, etc. And this thread has added to my mind another issue > that I have not thought a lot about: the environmental impact of > manufacturing new vehicles vs. keeping old ones on the road. > > I wonder if the open-minded, Obama sticker-pasting, free thinkers > around here are more sheep-like than they know. > > Brian > > On 11/8/07, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > I guess that's the thinking behind hybrids? But isn't there a > penalty >> > to >> > hybrids which must drag all that electrical stuff around when it > isn;t >> > needed or being used? (like long trips) >> >> The thinking behind hybrids is that the charge/discharge cycle >> of the electric parts is more efficient than the motor, in terms >> of having a motor large enough for initial acceleration and passing >> versus steady-state top speed long-haul driving. The tiny gas motor >> is for the long haul and recharging, the electrics for the 'go'. >> >> The thing is, diesels are pretty efficient at partial throttle, >> whereas gas engines are less so. Diesel hybrids may not offer >> much greater efficiencies than pure diesels as a result. But >> they could offer a lot more pleasant driving if the electric >> parts gave it better acceleration. >> >> Oh, and the regenerative braking. Which is near useless for >> highway driving considering how little braking is usually done. >> >> The size (weight/cost) of the battery pack depends a lot on >> the duty cycle you expect out of it. If it's just initial >> acceleration and some braking reserve, the batteries don't >> need to be particularly large. For more EV-like behavior, >> where the motor may not run at all at times, the pack needs >> to be bigger. >> >> -- Jim >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.25/1118 - Release Date: > 11/8/2007 9:29 AM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids
You wrote < when you park it)>> I've got it!! Put a windmill on the roof!! Drive and charge! ;-D Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids > andrew strasfogel wrote: >> >> Scr*w plug in hybrids. Just mount a PV arrray on the roof of the car >> to trickle charge the batteries in broad daylight. Doesn't that make >> more sense? > > Well, you might fit 300-500W of PV in the roof, which would give you > 1-3kwh > pre day if oriented to the south at the proper angle, less if built into > the car roof (unless you want to jack up the car and point it at the sun > when you park it). What's it worth to gain 30 kwh a month? How many kwh > per month would you put in the batteries of a pluggable hybrid? > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.25/1118 - Release Date: > 11/8/2007 9:29 AM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids
of course ya'll heard the story about Jimmy Carters plan to save the earth by building a pipeline to the sun so its unlimited power could be brought back to the earth?When someone pointed out that the pipe would melt from the heat of the sun, Jimmy C was evidently prepared for that question as he replied with a smile, "No problem! We'll build it at night!" ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids > Yes! Especially during Daylight Savings Time -- you can save more > of it! > > --R > > andrew strasfogel wrote: >> Scr*w plug in hybrids. Just mount a PV arrray on the roof of the car >> to trickle charge the batteries in broad daylight. Doesn't that make >> more sense? >> >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.25/1118 - Release Date: > 11/8/2007 9:29 AM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids
They are and always have been and always will be closed minded. Anyone on a mission is. I remember years ago during the first oil crises when the same mindset was moving the entire country away from plastic bags and towards paper bags at the grocery stores. Then someone took the time to research the true cost of both and discovered that it took more oil to make a paper bag than it took to make a plastic bag. So, now we have plastic bags at the grocery stores. Logic won the bag issue but I'm afrait it won't with hybrid vehicles. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 11/08/07 03:54 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= I like to analyze communities I visit or live in by the most commonly seen cars there. Here on Bainbridge, I think that the Prius even beats the Subaru in sheer numbers. It's not uncommon to have three or more of them in sight at once when driving down a two lane road. I suppose the hills around here make it a "good" choice. But I have always questioned the manufacturing/disposal processes of the batteries, etc. And this thread has added to my mind another issue that I have not thought a lot about: the environmental impact of manufacturing new vehicles vs. keeping old ones on the road. I wonder if the open-minded, Obama sticker-pasting, free thinkers around here are more sheep-like than they know. Brian On 11/8/07, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I guess that's the thinking behind hybrids? But isn't there a penalty > > to > > hybrids which must drag all that electrical stuff around when it isn;t > > needed or being used? (like long trips) > > The thinking behind hybrids is that the charge/discharge cycle > of the electric parts is more efficient than the motor, in terms > of having a motor large enough for initial acceleration and passing > versus steady-state top speed long-haul driving. The tiny gas motor > is for the long haul and recharging, the electrics for the 'go'. > > The thing is, diesels are pretty efficient at partial throttle, > whereas gas engines are less so. Diesel hybrids may not offer > much greater efficiencies than pure diesels as a result. But > they could offer a lot more pleasant driving if the electric > parts gave it better acceleration. > > Oh, and the regenerative braking. Which is near useless for > highway driving considering how little braking is usually done. > > The size (weight/cost) of the battery pack depends a lot on > the duty cycle you expect out of it. If it's just initial > acceleration and some braking reserve, the batteries don't > need to be particularly large. For more EV-like behavior, > where the motor may not run at all at times, the pack needs > to be bigger. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids
I like to analyze communities I visit or live in by the most commonly seen cars there. Here on Bainbridge, I think that the Prius even beats the Subaru in sheer numbers. It's not uncommon to have three or more of them in sight at once when driving down a two lane road. I suppose the hills around here make it a "good" choice. But I have always questioned the manufacturing/disposal processes of the batteries, etc. And this thread has added to my mind another issue that I have not thought a lot about: the environmental impact of manufacturing new vehicles vs. keeping old ones on the road. I wonder if the open-minded, Obama sticker-pasting, free thinkers around here are more sheep-like than they know. Brian On 11/8/07, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I guess that's the thinking behind hybrids? But isn't there a penalty > > to > > hybrids which must drag all that electrical stuff around when it isn;t > > needed or being used? (like long trips) > > The thinking behind hybrids is that the charge/discharge cycle > of the electric parts is more efficient than the motor, in terms > of having a motor large enough for initial acceleration and passing > versus steady-state top speed long-haul driving. The tiny gas motor > is for the long haul and recharging, the electrics for the 'go'. > > The thing is, diesels are pretty efficient at partial throttle, > whereas gas engines are less so. Diesel hybrids may not offer > much greater efficiencies than pure diesels as a result. But > they could offer a lot more pleasant driving if the electric > parts gave it better acceleration. > > Oh, and the regenerative braking. Which is near useless for > highway driving considering how little braking is usually done. > > The size (weight/cost) of the battery pack depends a lot on > the duty cycle you expect out of it. If it's just initial > acceleration and some braking reserve, the batteries don't > need to be particularly large. For more EV-like behavior, > where the motor may not run at all at times, the pack needs > to be bigger. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rodbender question
Local dealer quoted me $140 for a rod, then charged me $190 when I went to pick it up. I replaced 3 lifters and a few bolts and got to buy lots of new tools that I'll never use again. Overall it was a good experience. Cylinders were okay. But I know it is a ticking time bomb because there was no way to grind off enough metal to match the weight of the other rods. Probably should have replaced all of them - but there are about 20 other things that should have been replaced as well which would have cost $1000's more. When it finally dies I will put in a new engine. -Dave Walton On 11/8/07, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are the rod bender motors fixable or is it just a matter of the cost of doing > it? For example, if the rods are bent > and the cylinder worn oval, can it be bored or sleeved? If you have one that > appears to be alright is it wise to > fix it before it gets worse or is it considered hopeless? > > Randy > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids
Yes, was wondering when someone would mention that show. When they are not showing how hockey equipment is made, it's a great show (though I'm sure its simplicity will be jumped upon here). I like how they refer to most of the people shown, as "workers". Sort of demeaning. Brian been a "worker" too many times On 11/8/07, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > According to "How It's Made" produced in Canada, they use both natural > gas and the anodes. It's shown on the Discovery Channel here. > > -Dave Walton > > On 11/8/07, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Steel recycling does not use fuel directly. They load a crucible with > > scrap and then lower a set of anodes. It's 100 percent electricity . > > > > Thanks, Tom > > 256-656-1924 > > > > -Original Message- > > From: "Jim Cathey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > > Sent: 11/8/07 11:21 AM > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids > > > > > the alum co built the smelter and the power co built a > > > new *Electrical Generating Plant * just for the plant we were > > building. > > > > Both steel and aluminum require a lot of energy to refine. It's > > just that steel can make use of fuel heat directly whereas aluminum > > requires it to be converted to electricity first. > > > > -- Jim > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] doing your part
"Very much like those who gladly pay a premium price for Biodiesel." huh? and where was your fuel grown? whose son was sent there to defend that supply? cheers! e [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The Prius People don't care much about the unknown future issues of owning > them, since they are "doing their part" or at least appearing to do so. > > Very much like those who gladly pay a premium price for Biodiesel. > > RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] doing your part
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Very much like those who gladly pay a premium price for Biodiesel. How is buying biodiesel similar to ignoring the extra environmental cost of batteries?? Is there some extra environmental cost of biodiesel? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] doing your part
<> The Prius People don't care much about the unknown future issues of owning them, since they are "doing their part" or at least appearing to do so. Very much like those who gladly pay a premium price for Biodiesel. RLE ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rodbender question
If the cylinders and pistons are good, you can fix it for something like $250 a rod (x6) plus gaskets, rings, etc. I'd budget $2000-2500 if I were doing all the labor myself. AFAIK, only MBZ seems to be able to redo the block so that the engine will last hundreds of kilomiles after the rebuild. Not sure what a reman engine costs in today's worthless greenbacks. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids
Need a big roof for lots of panels - maybe a nice schoolbus would work? Article in Woodenboat Mag a while back about a cruising houseboat type craft built in Australia with solar panels all over its relatively big flat roof. Still needed generator on board to ensure they were not occasionally dead in the water but they claimed pretty good performance based only on the solar charging. Lots of sun in Aus I suppose. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:07 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids Sure, charge 2 days - drive one mile, charge 2 days - drive one mile, charge 2 days - drive one mile. Solar cells are terribly inefficiant. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 11/08/07 03:02 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Scr*w plug in hybrids. Just mount a PV arrray on the roof of the car to trickle charge the batteries in broad daylight. Doesn't that make more sense? On Nov 8, 2007 3:39 PM, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's because Canada has lots of cheap natural gas. They are a major > supplier to the lower 48 States. > > Tom > www.kegkits.com > > Original Message > From: dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: 11/08/07 02:23 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > According to "How It's Made" produced in Canada, they use both natural > gas and the anodes. It's shown on the Discovery Channel here. > > -Dave Walton > > On 11/8/07, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Steel recycling does not use fuel directly. They load a crucible with > > scrap and then lower a set of anodes. It's 100 percent electricity . > > > > Thanks, Tom > > 256-656-1924 > > > > -Original Message- > > From: "Jim Cathey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > > Sent: 11/8/07 11:21 AM > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids > > > > > the alum co built the smelter and the power co built a > > > new *Electrical Generating Plant * just for the plant we were > > building. > > > > Both steel and aluminum require a lot of energy to refine. It's > > just that steel can make use of fuel heat directly whereas aluminum > > requires it to be converted to electricity first. > > > > -- Jim > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids
Looked at a site related to electric boats last evening. They claim 8 hours on a full charge and the boat has a diesel generator on board that will essentially permit full time operation if need be. The idea appeals as it would be nice to have a quiet boat. Unfortunately, the batteries are heavy and so we are talking displacement hull and pretty slow boat. Also worry about the lifespan of the batteries - especially since our season is short and they would have to sit through the cold winter. Ongoing minimal charging via solar panel setup might keep them up but a bunch of big batteries would be expensive to replace. Randy -Original Message- The thinking behind hybrids is that the charge/discharge cycle of the electric parts is more efficient than the motor, in terms of having a motor large enough for initial acceleration and passing versus steady-state top speed long-haul driving. The tiny gas motor is for the long haul and recharging, the electrics for the 'go'. The thing is, diesels are pretty efficient at partial throttle, whereas gas engines are less so. Diesel hybrids may not offer much greater efficiencies than pure diesels as a result. But they could offer a lot more pleasant driving if the electric parts gave it better acceleration. Oh, and the regenerative braking. Which is near useless for highway driving considering how little braking is usually done. The size (weight/cost) of the battery pack depends a lot on the duty cycle you expect out of it. If it's just initial acceleration and some braking reserve, the batteries don't need to be particularly large. For more EV-like behavior, where the motor may not run at all at times, the pack needs to be bigger. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids
andrew strasfogel wrote: > > Scr*w plug in hybrids. Just mount a PV arrray on the roof of the car > to trickle charge the batteries in broad daylight. Doesn't that make > more sense? Well, you might fit 300-500W of PV in the roof, which would give you 1-3kwh pre day if oriented to the south at the proper angle, less if built into the car roof (unless you want to jack up the car and point it at the sun when you park it). What's it worth to gain 30 kwh a month? How many kwh per month would you put in the batteries of a pluggable hybrid? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids
Sure, charge 2 days - drive one mile, charge 2 days - drive one mile, charge 2 days - drive one mile. Solar cells are terribly inefficiant. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 11/08/07 03:02 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Scr*w plug in hybrids. Just mount a PV arrray on the roof of the car to trickle charge the batteries in broad daylight. Doesn't that make more sense? On Nov 8, 2007 3:39 PM, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's because Canada has lots of cheap natural gas. They are a major > supplier to the lower 48 States. > > Tom > www.kegkits.com > > Original Message > From: dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: 11/08/07 02:23 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > According to "How It's Made" produced in Canada, they use both natural > gas and the anodes. It's shown on the Discovery Channel here. > > -Dave Walton > > On 11/8/07, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Steel recycling does not use fuel directly. They load a crucible with > > scrap and then lower a set of anodes. It's 100 percent electricity . > > > > Thanks, Tom > > 256-656-1924 > > > > -Original Message- > > From: "Jim Cathey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > > Sent: 11/8/07 11:21 AM > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids > > > > > the alum co built the smelter and the power co built a > > > new *Electrical Generating Plant * just for the plant we were > > building. > > > > Both steel and aluminum require a lot of energy to refine. It's > > just that steel can make use of fuel heat directly whereas aluminum > > requires it to be converted to electricity first. > > > > -- Jim > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids
Yes! Especially during Daylight Savings Time -- you can save more of it! --R andrew strasfogel wrote: > Scr*w plug in hybrids. Just mount a PV arrray on the roof of the car > to trickle charge the batteries in broad daylight. Doesn't that make > more sense? > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rodbender question
Are the rod bender motors fixable or is it just a matter of the cost of doing it? For example, if the rods are bent and the cylinder worn oval, can it be bored or sleeved? If you have one that appears to be alright is it wise to fix it before it gets worse or is it considered hopeless? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids
Scr*w plug in hybrids. Just mount a PV arrray on the roof of the car to trickle charge the batteries in broad daylight. Doesn't that make more sense? On Nov 8, 2007 3:39 PM, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's because Canada has lots of cheap natural gas. They are a major > supplier to the lower 48 States. > > Tom > www.kegkits.com > > Original Message > From: dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: 11/08/07 02:23 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > According to "How It's Made" produced in Canada, they use both natural > gas and the anodes. It's shown on the Discovery Channel here. > > -Dave Walton > > On 11/8/07, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Steel recycling does not use fuel directly. They load a crucible with > > scrap and then lower a set of anodes. It's 100 percent electricity . > > > > Thanks, Tom > > 256-656-1924 > > > > -Original Message- > > From: "Jim Cathey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > > Sent: 11/8/07 11:21 AM > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids > > > > > the alum co built the smelter and the power co built a > > > new *Electrical Generating Plant * just for the plant we were > > building. > > > > Both steel and aluminum require a lot of energy to refine. It's > > just that steel can make use of fuel heat directly whereas aluminum > > requires it to be converted to electricity first. > > > > -- Jim > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rodbender question
Yea maybe. Well if and when I have bent rods, I am either going to see if the rodbender military version engine I have in my garage is good, if not, Im going to go the 606 route. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] rodbender question > > > "Kaleb C. Striplin, work" wrote: >> >> So you have to pull the head to find out, wont show up in a test? > > If you have uneven leakdown, you know SOMETHING is wrong. > Never seen a rodbender. How much shorter do the rods get when they bend? > Can you take off the valve springs with a cylinder at TDC and measure > the length of the protruding valve stem? > Maybe pull the prechambers and look at the cylinder walls with a > borescope? > If you've got crosshatching all the way around, you know you haven't egged > the cylinder walls yet, but I guess you still wouldn't know if the rods > were OK. > > Maybe stick the borescope through the drain plug and do a visual on the > rods? > Does a scope focus far enough away to look at the WHOLE rod and not just a > close-up of the surface? > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rodbender question
I have never seen that on a rod bender, but have on the 601 and 602 engines. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] rodbender question > In my case - no. Although I don't have a clue how to interpret leak > down test results, so I did not bother. > > You have to pull the head and measure how much each piston protrudes > above the block at the top of it's stroke. Removing the vacuum pump > makes it easier to turn the engine by hand if you leave the timing > chain attached. It's actually rather dangerous if you don't. > The current head gasket has more reinforcement at the oil channel in > front of the #1 cylinder, so replacing it is a good thing. It's a > common failure point. 100% of the rodbenders I've owned experienced > that failure ( 1 out of 1 :-). > > -Dave Walton > > > On 11/8/07, Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Will a compression or leak down test show bent rods etc? >> >> --- >> Kaleb C. Striplin >> Cox Auto Trader >> 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rodbender question
"Kaleb C. Striplin, work" wrote: > > So you have to pull the head to find out, wont show up in a test? If you have uneven leakdown, you know SOMETHING is wrong. Never seen a rodbender. How much shorter do the rods get when they bend? Can you take off the valve springs with a cylinder at TDC and measure the length of the protruding valve stem? Maybe pull the prechambers and look at the cylinder walls with a borescope? If you've got crosshatching all the way around, you know you haven't egged the cylinder walls yet, but I guess you still wouldn't know if the rods were OK. Maybe stick the borescope through the drain plug and do a visual on the rods? Does a scope focus far enough away to look at the WHOLE rod and not just a close-up of the surface? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rodbender question
In my case - no. Although I don't have a clue how to interpret leak down test results, so I did not bother. You have to pull the head and measure how much each piston protrudes above the block at the top of it's stroke. Removing the vacuum pump makes it easier to turn the engine by hand if you leave the timing chain attached. It's actually rather dangerous if you don't. The current head gasket has more reinforcement at the oil channel in front of the #1 cylinder, so replacing it is a good thing. It's a common failure point. 100% of the rodbenders I've owned experienced that failure ( 1 out of 1 :-). -Dave Walton On 11/8/07, Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Will a compression or leak down test show bent rods etc? > > --- > Kaleb C. Striplin > Cox Auto Trader > 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Canadian Postal Money Order
On Nov 8, 2007, at 10:22 AM, Loren Faeth wrote: > Yeah, But I am not miffed at you. It has been fun corresponding with > you. I am miffed at the bank, cause it was in US dollars. Like I > said, the US and Canada are so little different, some of this border > stuff seems really stupid. We have "most favored nation" and "free > trade" with china. I don't ever recall hearing that our most nearly > alike countries, like Canada and OZ have that status. Try wiring euros to europe My canadian bank cheerfully charged me 30E for that ($44 usa). This after snagging a good % for converting from cnd to euros in the first part... John 1983 300TDt 368k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 172k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 180k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids
That's because Canada has lots of cheap natural gas. They are a major supplier to the lower 48 States. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 11/08/07 02:23 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= According to "How It's Made" produced in Canada, they use both natural gas and the anodes. It's shown on the Discovery Channel here. -Dave Walton On 11/8/07, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steel recycling does not use fuel directly. They load a crucible with > scrap and then lower a set of anodes. It's 100 percent electricity . > > Thanks, Tom > 256-656-1924 > > -Original Message- > From: "Jim Cathey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: 11/8/07 11:21 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids > > > the alum co built the smelter and the power co built a > > new *Electrical Generating Plant * just for the plant we were > building. > > Both steel and aluminum require a lot of energy to refine. It's > just that steel can make use of fuel heat directly whereas aluminum > requires it to be converted to electricity first. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rodbender question
So you have to pull the head to find out, wont show up in a test? I probably have bent rods on my 140, it uses way too much oil, but does not smoke at all. Maybe its going somewhere else. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] rodbender question > > > "Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT)" wrote: >> >> Will a compression or leak down test show bent rods etc? > > It should show egged out cylinders and pistons after the rods > have been bent a while. (of course, the blue cloud behind > the car indicates much the same thing) > > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rodbender question
"Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT)" wrote: > > Will a compression or leak down test show bent rods etc? It should show egged out cylinders and pistons after the rods have been bent a while. (of course, the blue cloud behind the car indicates much the same thing) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids
According to "How It's Made" produced in Canada, they use both natural gas and the anodes. It's shown on the Discovery Channel here. -Dave Walton On 11/8/07, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steel recycling does not use fuel directly. They load a crucible with > scrap and then lower a set of anodes. It's 100 percent electricity . > > Thanks, Tom > 256-656-1924 > > -Original Message- > From: "Jim Cathey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: 11/8/07 11:21 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids > > > the alum co built the smelter and the power co built a > > new *Electrical Generating Plant * just for the plant we were > building. > > Both steel and aluminum require a lot of energy to refine. It's > just that steel can make use of fuel heat directly whereas aluminum > requires it to be converted to electricity first. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] rodbender question
Will a compression or leak down test show bent rods etc? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Canadian Postal Money Order
Canada and the US have NAFTA and most imports from China are subject to import duity and tarrifs. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: "Loren Faeth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: 11/8/07 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Canadian Postal Money Order Yeah, But I am not miffed at you. It has been fun corresponding with you. I am miffed at the bank, cause it was in US dollars. Like I said, the US and Canada are so little different, some of this border stuff seems really stupid. We have "most favored nation" and "free trade" with china. I don't ever recall hearing that our most nearly alike countries, like Canada and OZ have that status. At 10:57 AM 11/8/2007, you wrote: >Hey Loren, I assume that was from me. I could have just slipped cash >in the envelope I guess and it likely would >have got to you safely. I was trying to send the money to you in a >manner that was guaranteed for you. It cost me >money to buy the money order at this end too. > >Randy > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Loren Faeth >Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 10:08 AM >To: Mercedes Discussion List >Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Canadian Postal Money Order > > >Wish I'd known that earlier! Bank ripped me $10 or $15 when I >deposited a Canadian PO money order in US dollars. > >At 08:47 AM 11/8/2007, you wrote: > >The post office doesn't charge you anything to cash a postal money order. > > > >Thanks, > >Tom Hargrave > >www.kegkits.com > >256-656-1924 > > > > > >-Original Message- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >On Behalf Of Gary Thompson > >Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:45 AM > >To: Mercedes Discussion List > >Subject: [MBZ] OT: Canadian Postal Money Order > > > >Sent a guy in Winnipeg some TV parts and he reimbursed me for the > >shipping with a Canadian Postal Money Order. Now I find out it's going > >to cost me at least $10.00 to cash the stupid thing. I wish he'd paid > >me via PayPal like I asked, but I didn't think anything of it when the > >check showed up in the mail. > > > >What do you international FleaBay pros do in situations like this? Do > >you just eat it, or is there a better way to convert one of these > >things into cash? Anybody on the border want to broker this thing for > >me? > > > >We're only talking about $30 dollars here, so I'm not really going to > >shed a tear, but I HATE giving the big banks excessive fees for no > >reason. > > > > > >Gary Thompson > >1995 E320 > > > >___ > >http://www.okiebenz.com > >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > >___ > >http://www.okiebenz.com > >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >Loren Faeth > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids
Steel recycling does not use fuel directly. They load a crucible with scrap and then lower a set of anodes. It's 100 percent electricity . Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: "Jim Cathey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: 11/8/07 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids > the alum co built the smelter and the power co built a > new *Electrical Generating Plant * just for the plant we were building. Both steel and aluminum require a lot of energy to refine. It's just that steel can make use of fuel heat directly whereas aluminum requires it to be converted to electricity first. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Canadian Postal Money Order
Loren Faeth wrote: > > The reason I am miffed at the bank is because they happily accepted > the MO for deposit without saying a word. Then they took out a > "service charge" for processing it. When I pointed out the MO was > for US currency, they just said, "yeah, but it from a foreign > source." At that point it was a little late to ask for the MO back. Unless my account agreement clearly spelled out that fee, I'd be notifying the OCC about an illegal fee scam at the bank after bringing it to the bank's attention and getting no satisfaction. (don't mess with me, I get nasty in a hurry) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Canadian Postal Money Order
Loren Faeth wrote: > > Yeah, But I am not miffed at you. It has been fun corresponding with > you. I am miffed at the bank, cause it was in US dollars. Is it payable through some bank in New York? I used to sell a lot of stuff on eBay to Canada, got a lot of cheques drawn on US dollar accounts at Canadian banks payable through NY banks, those were no different than depositing a check from the NY bank. Seems like I also got a few postal money orders. If I did, I can't remember if I deposited them or cashed them at the PO. Some people, most notably the Limeys, tended to send me an envelope full of green stuff. I always used cash for eBay purchases up to $20. If over $20 I'd ask them to take my check and hold for a week or two if they were worried about it clearing. Buying MOs was a last resort, and I don't do Paypal. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Canadian Postal Money Order
The reason I am miffed at the bank is because they happily accepted the MO for deposit without saying a word. Then they took out a "service charge" for processing it. When I pointed out the MO was for US currency, they just said, "yeah, but it from a foreign source." At that point it was a little late to ask for the MO back. At 12:22 PM 11/8/2007, you wrote: >Yeah, But I am not miffed at you. It has been fun corresponding with >you. I am miffed at the bank, cause it was in US dollars. Like I >said, the US and Canada are so little different, some of this border >stuff seems really stupid. We have "most favored nation" and "free >trade" with china. I don't ever recall hearing that our most nearly >alike countries, like Canada and OZ have that status. > > >At 10:57 AM 11/8/2007, you wrote: > >Hey Loren, I assume that was from me. I could have just slipped cash > >in the envelope I guess and it likely would > >have got to you safely. I was trying to send the money to you in a > >manner that was guaranteed for you. It cost me > >money to buy the money order at this end too. > > > >Randy > > > >-Original Message- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Loren Faeth > >Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 10:08 AM > >To: Mercedes Discussion List > >Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Canadian Postal Money Order > > > > > >Wish I'd known that earlier! Bank ripped me $10 or $15 when I > >deposited a Canadian PO money order in US dollars. > > > >At 08:47 AM 11/8/2007, you wrote: > > >The post office doesn't charge you anything to cash a postal money order. > > > > > >Thanks, > > >Tom Hargrave > > >www.kegkits.com > > >256-656-1924 > > > > > > > > >-Original Message- > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >On Behalf Of Gary Thompson > > >Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:45 AM > > >To: Mercedes Discussion List > > >Subject: [MBZ] OT: Canadian Postal Money Order > > > > > >Sent a guy in Winnipeg some TV parts and he reimbursed me for the > > >shipping with a Canadian Postal Money Order. Now I find out it's going > > >to cost me at least $10.00 to cash the stupid thing. I wish he'd paid > > >me via PayPal like I asked, but I didn't think anything of it when the > > >check showed up in the mail. > > > > > >What do you international FleaBay pros do in situations like this? Do > > >you just eat it, or is there a better way to convert one of these > > >things into cash? Anybody on the border want to broker this thing for > > >me? > > > > > >We're only talking about $30 dollars here, so I'm not really going to > > >shed a tear, but I HATE giving the big banks excessive fees for no > > >reason. > > > > > > > > >Gary Thompson > > >1995 E320 > > > > > >___ > > >http://www.okiebenz.com > > >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > >___ > > >http://www.okiebenz.com > > >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > >Loren Faeth > > > > > >___ > >http://www.okiebenz.com > >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > >___ > >http://www.okiebenz.com > >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >Loren Faeth > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Canadian Postal Money Order
Yeah, But I am not miffed at you. It has been fun corresponding with you. I am miffed at the bank, cause it was in US dollars. Like I said, the US and Canada are so little different, some of this border stuff seems really stupid. We have "most favored nation" and "free trade" with china. I don't ever recall hearing that our most nearly alike countries, like Canada and OZ have that status. At 10:57 AM 11/8/2007, you wrote: >Hey Loren, I assume that was from me. I could have just slipped cash >in the envelope I guess and it likely would >have got to you safely. I was trying to send the money to you in a >manner that was guaranteed for you. It cost me >money to buy the money order at this end too. > >Randy > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Loren Faeth >Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 10:08 AM >To: Mercedes Discussion List >Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Canadian Postal Money Order > > >Wish I'd known that earlier! Bank ripped me $10 or $15 when I >deposited a Canadian PO money order in US dollars. > >At 08:47 AM 11/8/2007, you wrote: > >The post office doesn't charge you anything to cash a postal money order. > > > >Thanks, > >Tom Hargrave > >www.kegkits.com > >256-656-1924 > > > > > >-Original Message- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >On Behalf Of Gary Thompson > >Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:45 AM > >To: Mercedes Discussion List > >Subject: [MBZ] OT: Canadian Postal Money Order > > > >Sent a guy in Winnipeg some TV parts and he reimbursed me for the > >shipping with a Canadian Postal Money Order. Now I find out it's going > >to cost me at least $10.00 to cash the stupid thing. I wish he'd paid > >me via PayPal like I asked, but I didn't think anything of it when the > >check showed up in the mail. > > > >What do you international FleaBay pros do in situations like this? Do > >you just eat it, or is there a better way to convert one of these > >things into cash? Anybody on the border want to broker this thing for > >me? > > > >We're only talking about $30 dollars here, so I'm not really going to > >shed a tear, but I HATE giving the big banks excessive fees for no > >reason. > > > > > >Gary Thompson > >1995 E320 > > > >___ > >http://www.okiebenz.com > >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > >___ > >http://www.okiebenz.com > >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >Loren Faeth > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids
> the alum co built the smelter and the power co built a > new *Electrical Generating Plant * just for the plant we were building. Both steel and aluminum require a lot of energy to refine. It's just that steel can make use of fuel heat directly whereas aluminum requires it to be converted to electricity first. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids
> I guess that's the thinking behind hybrids? But isn't there a penalty > to > hybrids which must drag all that electrical stuff around when it isn;t > needed or being used? (like long trips) The thinking behind hybrids is that the charge/discharge cycle of the electric parts is more efficient than the motor, in terms of having a motor large enough for initial acceleration and passing versus steady-state top speed long-haul driving. The tiny gas motor is for the long haul and recharging, the electrics for the 'go'. The thing is, diesels are pretty efficient at partial throttle, whereas gas engines are less so. Diesel hybrids may not offer much greater efficiencies than pure diesels as a result. But they could offer a lot more pleasant driving if the electric parts gave it better acceleration. Oh, and the regenerative braking. Which is near useless for highway driving considering how little braking is usually done. The size (weight/cost) of the battery pack depends a lot on the duty cycle you expect out of it. If it's just initial acceleration and some braking reserve, the batteries don't need to be particularly large. For more EV-like behavior, where the motor may not run at all at times, the pack needs to be bigger. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids
I worked for the construction mgmnt company that built a 4 line alum smelter ground up in SC - seems a board member of the local power co was also a large land owner - the alum co built the smelter and the power co built a new *Electrical Generating Plant * just for the plant we were building. Lotsa money, lotsa local jobs, yada, yada -- All the big wheels of several different companies and agencies were working together, they made millions - course, I had a job for 4 years. ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "John M McIntosh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids > > On Nov 8, 2007, at 8:02 AM, LarryT wrote: > >> Along with the electrical consumption req'd to make steel is the power >> needed to make Aluminum - used in ever increasing amounts to save >> weight and >> increase mpg's. Alum needs much more electricity than steel. > > Up here in the Pacific NW during the time when Enron was screwing the > electrical rates in California > one of the smelters actually sent everyone home for a year fully paid > because they found it was much > more $$$ to resell their allotment of electricity bought years before > to California at the daily spot rate. > > *very profitable* on lots of MegaWatts > > John > 1983 300TDt 384k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) > 1990's 300TDt 211k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) > 1993 500SEL 200k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.25/1118 - Release Date: > 11/8/2007 9:29 AM > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Canadian Postal Money Order
Hey Loren, I assume that was from me. I could have just slipped cash in the envelope I guess and it likely would have got to you safely. I was trying to send the money to you in a manner that was guaranteed for you. It cost me money to buy the money order at this end too. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 10:08 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Canadian Postal Money Order Wish I'd known that earlier! Bank ripped me $10 or $15 when I deposited a Canadian PO money order in US dollars. At 08:47 AM 11/8/2007, you wrote: >The post office doesn't charge you anything to cash a postal money order. > >Thanks, >Tom Hargrave >www.kegkits.com >256-656-1924 > > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >On Behalf Of Gary Thompson >Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:45 AM >To: Mercedes Discussion List >Subject: [MBZ] OT: Canadian Postal Money Order > >Sent a guy in Winnipeg some TV parts and he reimbursed me for the >shipping with a Canadian Postal Money Order. Now I find out it's going >to cost me at least $10.00 to cash the stupid thing. I wish he'd paid >me via PayPal like I asked, but I didn't think anything of it when the >check showed up in the mail. > >What do you international FleaBay pros do in situations like this? Do >you just eat it, or is there a better way to convert one of these >things into cash? Anybody on the border want to broker this thing for >me? > >We're only talking about $30 dollars here, so I'm not really going to >shed a tear, but I HATE giving the big banks excessive fees for no >reason. > > >Gary Thompson >1995 E320 > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids
On Nov 8, 2007, at 8:02 AM, LarryT wrote: > Along with the electrical consumption req'd to make steel is the power > needed to make Aluminum - used in ever increasing amounts to save > weight and > increase mpg's. Alum needs much more electricity than steel. Up here in the Pacific NW during the time when Enron was screwing the electrical rates in California one of the smelters actually sent everyone home for a year fully paid because they found it was much more $$$ to resell their allotment of electricity bought years before to California at the daily spot rate. *very profitable* on lots of MegaWatts John 1983 300TDt 384k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 211k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 200k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids
I sometimes wonder whether a new generation of steam engines that can run on anything, e.g. wood chips, will ever make a comeback. On Nov 8, 2007 11:08 AM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm thinking perhaps there needs to be 2 solutions - one for mostly longer > distances - say over 50 miles at a time - which a diesel would be ideal. > > For short commutes, say 20 mi or less - an electric might work - altho a > diesel is very effieient and the technology is close to perfect without the > negatives of recharging times & battery manufacture and disposal. > > I guess that's the thinking behind hybrids? But isn't there a penalty to > hybrids which must drag all that electrical stuff around when it isn;t > needed or being used? (like long trips) > > OK, that's the solution - start building diesels of all sizes and start > producing diesel fuel like crazy. > ;-) > > OK, what's the next problem? world hunger? > > Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > . > > - Original Message - > From: "Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 9:51 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids > > > > >I think the issue with diesel hybrids is that the diesel engine is even > > more expensive than a gasser, which drives up the cost of the package > > even higher, and the economics work even worse. The Prius is not > > economically cost-effective compared to a straight gasser, even with the > > deep discounts offered by the manufacturer, and the overall economics > > when considering the manufacturing of all the bits (metals, plastics, > > battery, etc.) and life-cycle costs (battery) are even less attractive. > > A straight new-tech diesel is probably best overall given fuel > > efficiency and emissions (but I have not done or seen the analysis). > > > > A friend of mine (rather, his wife) is considering a new vehicle to > > replace her Acura MDX (nothing wrong with it, but wives often get a bit > > wobbly with something over 3 or 4 yr old because they are "getting old" > > and might "have problems"). She is also considering enviro aspects, so > > I suggested a diesel Benz which could use some biodiesel mix that she > > could "feel" good about (an old one using veggie diesel would not fit > > her interests), and the emissions are reasonable with the new tech. So > > they looked at the M, but then she got thinking that the manufacturing > > aspects of all the plastics, metal, etc. offset any enviro benefits > > (whatever they might be, if any) of a new diesel v. her already > > manufactured car. Now I have no idea what that whole balance might be, > > but that "feeling" sorta makes sense I guess. > > > > A lot of that is about "feelings" and not anything rational, but some > > people are open to rationality if it is simply rational. > > > > --R > > > > Chris Lane wrote: > >> I would imagine that a diesel hybrid would be the smartest way to go, at > >> least using currently available technology. I know that there are some > >> out > >> there, at least in the prototype phase, but I can't see any real obstacle > >> for them. Thinking in terms of the last Golf TDI which got what 45mpg? > >> If > >> you were to run a hybrid system similar to the one in the old Honda > >> Insight > >> it seems to me like you could have a really efficient and useful car. My > >> brother has an Insight, and for him it works, of course he's single with > >> no > >> kids or pets, and has lived in the same place forever. He can actually > >> get > >> close to 70mpg out of it. > >> > >> On 11/8/07, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>> Then there is the whole battery nastiness issue -- manufacturing and > >>> disposal -- which is not negligible, but it is removed from view so you > >>> can "feel" better about driving the Prius. And how one "feels" about > >>> the issue is the most important aspect! > >>> > >>> --R > >>> > >>> LarryT wrote: > >>> > This was in a industry magazine I get called "Foriegn Car Parts & > Accessories" > A poll was conducted in UK recently evaluating peoples understanding of > emissions and modern diesels. 90% did not rate the current diesel > technology on a favorable standing with hybrids. The example used was > > >>> the > >>> > Mini D and the Prius - both have very nearly equal emission levels. > > Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > . > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.
Re: [MBZ] ATF cooler HOSE install question
BTDT. You are better off obtaining a good used oil cooler rather than trying to unfreeze the cooler hoses. I have a good used oil cooler as well as a 99 percent good radiator for a W109 if anyone is interested On Nov 8, 2007 9:51 AM, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks all. I did not think of the dissimilar metal problem. (like with the > fuses). Will take everyones advice to heart. I have some copper anti-cease > and now have an excuse to buy some more tools. > > THANKS SO MUCH for the advance warnings, everybody. > > Chris > > P.S. The new hoses have a really heavy duty wire guard on the outside which > my originals don't have. Good idea in case you run over something in the road. > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 11/7/2007 12:15:09 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > will be installing a new set of ATF cooler hoses this weekend. Do the > threads need to be treated in any way? tape? threadlocker? > > > > Chris, > > I would reply exactly as Mitch did. Dissimilar metals should be treated > with anti seize on the threads. You must place a holding wrench on the > stationary fitting, lest you twist the fitting out of the radiator shell, > which is > likely just soft copper. To minimize out of plane torsional forces, I like > to > place the two wrenches within 30 degrees of each other, then squeeze the two > wrenches towards each other with one hand. This works for both tightening > and loosening. special 6 sided tubing nut wrenches are available which > virtually guarantee that the fitting are not squeezed out of shape. > > Regards, > > Jim Friesen > Phoenix AZ > 79 300SD, 264 K miles > 98 ML 320, 152 K miles > > > > > ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri > -1985 300SD, 228K miles, "Wulf" > -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 58K miles, "The Behemoth" > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Canadian Postal Money Order
Wish I'd known that earlier! Bank ripped me $10 or $15 when I deposited a Canadian PO money order in US dollars. At 08:47 AM 11/8/2007, you wrote: >The post office doesn't charge you anything to cash a postal money order. > >Thanks, >Tom Hargrave >www.kegkits.com >256-656-1924 > > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >On Behalf Of Gary Thompson >Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:45 AM >To: Mercedes Discussion List >Subject: [MBZ] OT: Canadian Postal Money Order > >Sent a guy in Winnipeg some TV parts and he reimbursed me for the >shipping with a Canadian Postal Money Order. Now I find out it's going >to cost me at least $10.00 to cash the stupid thing. I wish he'd paid >me via PayPal like I asked, but I didn't think anything of it when the >check showed up in the mail. > >What do you international FleaBay pros do in situations like this? Do >you just eat it, or is there a better way to convert one of these >things into cash? Anybody on the border want to broker this thing for >me? > >We're only talking about $30 dollars here, so I'm not really going to >shed a tear, but I HATE giving the big banks excessive fees for no >reason. > > >Gary Thompson >1995 E320 > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids
Sorry - my 1st sentence was missing a word or 2 - dan glide pad sometimes "wipes" across words and then deletes them. I intended to say <>\ Sorry - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids > Along with the electrical consumption req'd to make steel is the power > needed to make Aluminum - used in ever increasing amounts to save weight > and > increase mpg's. Alum needs much more electricity than steel. The process > for making aluminum is fascinating IMHO, alumina poweder is mixed with > other > materials and heated to become liquid- impurities are removed and shapes > are > produced which are then worked into final products. Hmmm...I guess it;s > not > that much different from steel > smelting. ;-) But the electricity reqmnt's are *very* high. Recycling > old > alum cans draatically > reduces the amount of electricity needed, > > Later ya'll - > > Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > . > > - Original Message - > From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 9:10 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids > > >> How about manufacturing in general? Building new cars has to have a huge >> impact on the ecology and on our oil consumption, much more so than >> repairing and driving our old cars. >> >> And before someone mentions the fact that 80% of the steel is recycled, >> don't forget that it still takes mega-watts of electricity to re-melt and >> then to create the alloy needed for modern cars. Then you need to roll >> the >> steel into sheets, plate it with zinc, stamp it, etc, etc. >> >> And then there are all of the oil based plastic parts. But I guess that's >> OK >> because they are all coming from China? Isn't China's growth one of the >> elements driving the current oil crises? >> >> Thanks, >> Tom Hargrave >> www.kegkits.com >> 256-656-1924 >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> On Behalf Of Rich Thomas >> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 7:47 AM >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids >> >> Then there is the whole battery nastiness issue -- manufacturing and >> disposal -- which is not negligible, but it is removed from view so you >> can "feel" better about driving the Prius. And how one "feels" about >> the issue is the most important aspect! >> >> --R >> >> LarryT wrote: >>> This was in a industry magazine I get called "Foriegn Car Parts & >>> Accessories" >>> A poll was conducted in UK recently evaluating peoples understanding of >>> emissions and modern diesels. 90% did not rate the current diesel >>> technology on a favorable standing with hybrids. The example used was >>> the >> >>> Mini D and the Prius - both have very nearly equal emission levels. >>> >>> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) >>> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts >>> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil >>> PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net >>> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs >>> . >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.25/1118 - Release Date: >> 11/8/2007 9:29 AM >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/li
Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids
I'm thinking perhaps there needs to be 2 solutions - one for mostly longer distances - say over 50 miles at a time - which a diesel would be ideal. For short commutes, say 20 mi or less - an electric might work - altho a diesel is very effieient and the technology is close to perfect without the negatives of recharging times & battery manufacture and disposal. I guess that's the thinking behind hybrids? But isn't there a penalty to hybrids which must drag all that electrical stuff around when it isn;t needed or being used? (like long trips) OK, that's the solution - start building diesels of all sizes and start producing diesel fuel like crazy. ;-) OK, what's the next problem? world hunger? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids >I think the issue with diesel hybrids is that the diesel engine is even > more expensive than a gasser, which drives up the cost of the package > even higher, and the economics work even worse. The Prius is not > economically cost-effective compared to a straight gasser, even with the > deep discounts offered by the manufacturer, and the overall economics > when considering the manufacturing of all the bits (metals, plastics, > battery, etc.) and life-cycle costs (battery) are even less attractive. > A straight new-tech diesel is probably best overall given fuel > efficiency and emissions (but I have not done or seen the analysis). > > A friend of mine (rather, his wife) is considering a new vehicle to > replace her Acura MDX (nothing wrong with it, but wives often get a bit > wobbly with something over 3 or 4 yr old because they are "getting old" > and might "have problems"). She is also considering enviro aspects, so > I suggested a diesel Benz which could use some biodiesel mix that she > could "feel" good about (an old one using veggie diesel would not fit > her interests), and the emissions are reasonable with the new tech. So > they looked at the M, but then she got thinking that the manufacturing > aspects of all the plastics, metal, etc. offset any enviro benefits > (whatever they might be, if any) of a new diesel v. her already > manufactured car. Now I have no idea what that whole balance might be, > but that "feeling" sorta makes sense I guess. > > A lot of that is about "feelings" and not anything rational, but some > people are open to rationality if it is simply rational. > > --R > > Chris Lane wrote: >> I would imagine that a diesel hybrid would be the smartest way to go, at >> least using currently available technology. I know that there are some >> out >> there, at least in the prototype phase, but I can't see any real obstacle >> for them. Thinking in terms of the last Golf TDI which got what 45mpg? >> If >> you were to run a hybrid system similar to the one in the old Honda >> Insight >> it seems to me like you could have a really efficient and useful car. My >> brother has an Insight, and for him it works, of course he's single with >> no >> kids or pets, and has lived in the same place forever. He can actually >> get >> close to 70mpg out of it. >> >> On 11/8/07, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Then there is the whole battery nastiness issue -- manufacturing and >>> disposal -- which is not negligible, but it is removed from view so you >>> can "feel" better about driving the Prius. And how one "feels" about >>> the issue is the most important aspect! >>> >>> --R >>> >>> LarryT wrote: >>> This was in a industry magazine I get called "Foriegn Car Parts & Accessories" A poll was conducted in UK recently evaluating peoples understanding of emissions and modern diesels. 90% did not rate the current diesel technology on a favorable standing with hybrids. The example used was >>> the >>> Mini D and the Prius - both have very nearly equal emission levels. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PRO
Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids
Along with the electrical consumption req'd to make steel is the power needed to make Aluminum - used in ever increasing amounts to save weight and increase mpg's. Alum needs much more electricity than steel. The process for making aluminum is fascinating IMHO, alumina poweder is mixed with other materials and heated to become liquid- impurities are removed and shapes are produced which are then worked into final products. Hmmm...I guess it;s not that much different from steel smelting. ;-) But the electricity reqmnt's are *very* high. Recycling old alum cans draatically reduces the amount of electricity needed, Later ya'll - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids > How about manufacturing in general? Building new cars has to have a huge > impact on the ecology and on our oil consumption, much more so than > repairing and driving our old cars. > > And before someone mentions the fact that 80% of the steel is recycled, > don't forget that it still takes mega-watts of electricity to re-melt and > then to create the alloy needed for modern cars. Then you need to roll the > steel into sheets, plate it with zinc, stamp it, etc, etc. > > And then there are all of the oil based plastic parts. But I guess that's > OK > because they are all coming from China? Isn't China's growth one of the > elements driving the current oil crises? > > Thanks, > Tom Hargrave > www.kegkits.com > 256-656-1924 > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Rich Thomas > Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 7:47 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids > > Then there is the whole battery nastiness issue -- manufacturing and > disposal -- which is not negligible, but it is removed from view so you > can "feel" better about driving the Prius. And how one "feels" about > the issue is the most important aspect! > > --R > > LarryT wrote: >> This was in a industry magazine I get called "Foriegn Car Parts & >> Accessories" >> A poll was conducted in UK recently evaluating peoples understanding of >> emissions and modern diesels. 90% did not rate the current diesel >> technology on a favorable standing with hybrids. The example used was >> the > >> Mini D and the Prius - both have very nearly equal emission levels. >> >> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) >> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts >> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil >> PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net >> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs >> . >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.25/1118 - Release Date: > 11/8/2007 9:29 AM > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Canadian Postal Money Order
Good point, Rich. Maybe I should have insisted he pay in Canadjun! Hell, even the Mexican Peso is looking good these days... Gary Thompson 1995 E320 On 11/8/07, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just send it back and tell him to put $C30 in an envelope. By the time > it gets to you it might be worth $US40! > > --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Canadian Postal Money Order
Haven't tried to good old PO yet. I tend to not think of them when it comes to reasonable, reliable service :^) Gary Thompson 1995 E320 On 11/8/07, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The post office doesn't charge you anything to cash a postal money order. > > Thanks, > Tom Hargrave > www.kegkits.com > 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Canadian Postal Money Order
It's in US dollars, but the two banks I tried both said it would need to clear through an international clearinghouse, so they were going to charge me a $10 fee + whatever the clearinghouse fee was + hold my cash for 30-60 days. Rediculous. I told them I'd frame it as a souvenir first. Gary Thompson 1995 E320 On 11/8/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, work <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have got money orders from Canada before and I just deposit them in the > bank along with any other checks I might have. It was in US dollars, is > yours in Canadian or US? > > --- > Kaleb C. Striplin > Cox Auto Trader > 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Canadian Postal Money Order
Just send it back and tell him to put $C30 in an envelope. By the time it gets to you it might be worth $US40! --R Gary Thompson wrote: > Sent a guy in Winnipeg some TV parts and he reimbursed me for the > shipping with a Canadian Postal Money Order. Now I find out it's going > to cost me at least $10.00 to cash the stupid thing. I wish he'd paid > me via PayPal like I asked, but I didn't think anything of it when the > check showed up in the mail. > > What do you international FleaBay pros do in situations like this? Do > you just eat it, or is there a better way to convert one of these > things into cash? Anybody on the border want to broker this thing for > me? > > We're only talking about $30 dollars here, so I'm not really going to > shed a tear, but I HATE giving the big banks excessive fees for no > reason. > > > Gary Thompson > 1995 E320 > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Canadian Postal Money Order
I have got money orders from Canada before and I just deposit them in the bank along with any other checks I might have. It was in US dollars, is yours in Canadian or US? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: "Gary Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:44 AM Subject: [MBZ] OT: Canadian Postal Money Order > Sent a guy in Winnipeg some TV parts and he reimbursed me for the > shipping with a Canadian Postal Money Order. Now I find out it's going > to cost me at least $10.00 to cash the stupid thing. I wish he'd paid > me via PayPal like I asked, but I didn't think anything of it when the > check showed up in the mail. > > What do you international FleaBay pros do in situations like this? Do > you just eat it, or is there a better way to convert one of these > things into cash? Anybody on the border want to broker this thing for > me? > > We're only talking about $30 dollars here, so I'm not really going to > shed a tear, but I HATE giving the big banks excessive fees for no > reason. > > > Gary Thompson > 1995 E320 > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesels Vs Hybrids
I think the issue with diesel hybrids is that the diesel engine is even more expensive than a gasser, which drives up the cost of the package even higher, and the economics work even worse. The Prius is not economically cost-effective compared to a straight gasser, even with the deep discounts offered by the manufacturer, and the overall economics when considering the manufacturing of all the bits (metals, plastics, battery, etc.) and life-cycle costs (battery) are even less attractive. A straight new-tech diesel is probably best overall given fuel efficiency and emissions (but I have not done or seen the analysis). A friend of mine (rather, his wife) is considering a new vehicle to replace her Acura MDX (nothing wrong with it, but wives often get a bit wobbly with something over 3 or 4 yr old because they are "getting old" and might "have problems"). She is also considering enviro aspects, so I suggested a diesel Benz which could use some biodiesel mix that she could "feel" good about (an old one using veggie diesel would not fit her interests), and the emissions are reasonable with the new tech. So they looked at the M, but then she got thinking that the manufacturing aspects of all the plastics, metal, etc. offset any enviro benefits (whatever they might be, if any) of a new diesel v. her already manufactured car. Now I have no idea what that whole balance might be, but that "feeling" sorta makes sense I guess. A lot of that is about "feelings" and not anything rational, but some people are open to rationality if it is simply rational. --R Chris Lane wrote: > I would imagine that a diesel hybrid would be the smartest way to go, at > least using currently available technology. I know that there are some out > there, at least in the prototype phase, but I can't see any real obstacle > for them. Thinking in terms of the last Golf TDI which got what 45mpg? If > you were to run a hybrid system similar to the one in the old Honda Insight > it seems to me like you could have a really efficient and useful car. My > brother has an Insight, and for him it works, of course he's single with no > kids or pets, and has lived in the same place forever. He can actually get > close to 70mpg out of it. > > On 11/8/07, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Then there is the whole battery nastiness issue -- manufacturing and >> disposal -- which is not negligible, but it is removed from view so you >> can "feel" better about driving the Prius. And how one "feels" about >> the issue is the most important aspect! >> >> --R >> >> LarryT wrote: >> >>> This was in a industry magazine I get called "Foriegn Car Parts & >>> Accessories" >>> A poll was conducted in UK recently evaluating peoples understanding of >>> emissions and modern diesels. 90% did not rate the current diesel >>> technology on a favorable standing with hybrids. The example used was >>> >> the >> >>> Mini D and the Prius - both have very nearly equal emission levels. >>> >>> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) >>> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts >>> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil >>> PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net >>> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs >>> . >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ATF cooler HOSE install question
Thanks all. I did not think of the dissimilar metal problem. (like with the fuses). Will take everyones advice to heart. I have some copper anti-cease and now have an excuse to buy some more tools. THANKS SO MUCH for the advance warnings, everybody. Chris P.S. The new hoses have a really heavy duty wire guard on the outside which my originals don't have. Good idea in case you run over something in the road. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/7/2007 12:15:09 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: will be installing a new set of ATF cooler hoses this weekend. Do the threads need to be treated in any way? tape? threadlocker? Chris, I would reply exactly as Mitch did. Dissimilar metals should be treated with anti seize on the threads. You must place a holding wrench on the stationary fitting, lest you twist the fitting out of the radiator shell, which is likely just soft copper. To minimize out of plane torsional forces, I like to place the two wrenches within 30 degrees of each other, then squeeze the two wrenches towards each other with one hand. This works for both tightening and loosening. special 6 sided tubing nut wrenches are available which virtually guarantee that the fitting are not squeezed out of shape. Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 264 K miles 98 ML 320, 152 K miles ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 228K miles, "Wulf" -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 58K miles, "The Behemoth" __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
