Re: [MBZ] Thermostat Change 190D and Search Engine in Archives

[Zoltan Finks]

1. Thanks, Kaleb. I was able to search via the page you sent me a link
to. Don't know how I could have found the page otherwise, but thanks.

2. Thanks, John, for the digital camera idea. Hadn't thought of that.
I suppose it is to auto repair what GPS is to exploration. Hope
surgeons don't start doing this.

3. This is not, at all, a rip on Rusty or anyone esle: But I am not
willing to assume that the person selling me parts is all-knowing - as
you two have suggested I do.

I have been told repeatedly that my 190D should run at 80C, and I saw
that Rusty's site only offered an 85C thermostat. That is why I simply
asked if running an 85C thermostat is better or not. Since then I have
seen a post in the archives by Marshall that suggested that the car
ought to run at 85. So I need to decide what advice to heed.

Brian

On 11/15/07, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Zoltan Finks wrote:
> > And also: the AutoZone website lists the thermostat original equipment
> > as being  180 degree, and they also sell a 185 degree one. Seems they
> > may have Celcius and Farenheit mixed up?
>
> RE the temperature of the thermostat... call Rusty, ask for a
> thermostat, use the one he gives you.  Leave it at that.
>
> I've never changed an OM60x thermostat, but on the 617 I didn't use any
> sealant, etc since the thermostat came with a gasket.  I've never heard
> of the housing breaking, but have heard of old bolts breaking.
>
> If you have a digital camera just take pictures on your way in so that
> you can put all the stuff thats in your way back in its place.  Just
> stop over-analyzing it and get in there! ;)
>
> HTH
> John
>
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Re: [MBZ] Welding bicycle frames

[Zoltan Finks]

Thanks, Wilton.

Sorry 'bout that. I just wondered if the pics made it through, and I
was anticipating more kudos for my improv repair, after all the
discussion I had with the list about welding it. Hey, I gotta get
creds. where I can, as I am like a girl when a car hood gets lifted.
(well, not quite that bad)

Thanks again.

Man, I love riding that bike since the repair - sets things right
after all the welding shops and bike shops that turned me away. I
always maintained that is was a good bike.

Brian

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> Yes, Brian, I saw photos of the plate/frame repair.  Good job!
>
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[MBZ] I've had my '83 300SD for...

[Kevin Kraly]

ONE YEAR NOW!  Yes, it's hard to believe, but Ursula has been hauling our 
butts around for ONE WHOLE YEAR!  Anyone wanna place any bets on how much 
longer?  It's going to be a while, but I'll take it one day at a time. :D

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Re: [MBZ] Who knows about Quincy air compressors?

[Luther]

The only question is finding repair parts 
-- 
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'87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case
'85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast
'82 300CD (170 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
'85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine



Quoting Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/tls/479032776.html
>
> I think I need this for my new shop.  Seems like a good deal for less
> than a new Harbor Freight unit with equivalent CFM rating. Probably be
> able to hand it down to my grandchildren still running, too, from what
> I hear of Quincy build quality.  Opinions?
>
> Alex Chamberlain
> '87 300D Turbo et al. 
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Re: [MBZ] New refrigerant

[John Robbins]

LarryT wrote:
> And while trees also contribute to CO2 levels, perhaps we should make them 
> do something different.  Given the CO2 problems, I wonder why the UN is 
> pushing a Billion Tree program?  Would seem to be counterproductive.

Trees remove CO2...




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Re: [MBZ] Cheap Rodbender

[Tom Hargrave]

Maybe, but then maybe the key did get sucked into the oil pump after
wearing through the screen.

Another list member mentioned that it's not like a defect from the
factory & he's probably right. More than likely, someone had the head
off at some time & dropped the cam key into the engine. Then instead of
doing the right thing & pulling the pan, he just figured that the oil
pump screen would stop any damage.

Many years ago, I was working on a friend's 1971 220D. We were advancing
the engine so that we could check timing chain stretch & I immediately
noticed that the master link keeper was missing from the timing chain.
The master link was being held in place by grooves worn in the posts.

I told him that we had to pull the lower pan and he responded with "why,
won't the screen block the part"? We pulled the pan & found the keeper
inbedded in the screen & it was well worn into the pickup screen. I
don't know how many miles it would have taken to wear through but given
time, the keeper (or what was left of it) would have been sucked into
the oil pump.

Tom
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Maybe the bulb is burned out, or they let it go too long.

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cheap Rodbender


> Not likely. The engine has a oil level sensor that turns on a red
light
> in the dash long before the oil is low enough to cause damage.
> 
> Tom
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Re: [MBZ] google can't find this address

[Gary Hurst]

yes

On Nov 16, 2007 12:05 AM, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Is that the home of the white GS?
>
> On 11/15/07, Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > on 11/15/07 20:23, Gary Hurst at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > any of you guys have an other sort of mapping or gps that might be
> helpful?
> > > the post office recognizes the address as:
> > >
> > > 122 EAGLE VIEW DR
> > > MONTICELLO GA  31064-6371
> >
> > Well I found an EAGLE DRIVE in MapQuest, same core ZIP as you list, but
> not
> > that street number (gives a range of 400-527):
> >
> >
> http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?formtype=address&addtohistory=&address=
> >
> %5b400%2d527%5d%20Eagle%20Dr&city=Monticello&state=GA&zipcode=31064&country=
> > US&geodiff=1
> >
> > But no map displays (that could be my browser having a calf however).
> >
> >
> > Mac
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] google can't find this address

[Gary Hurst]

and give up my stealth advantage??

On Nov 16, 2007 12:18 PM, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> In that case I would call and ask for driving directions the old fashioned
> way!
>
> On Nov 16, 2007 8:13 AM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > yes
> >
> > On Nov 16, 2007 12:05 AM, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Is that the home of the white GS?
> > >
> > > On 11/15/07, Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > on 11/15/07 20:23, Gary Hurst at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > any of you guys have an other sort of mapping or gps that might be
> > > helpful?
> > > > > the post office recognizes the address as:
> > > > >
> > > > > 122 EAGLE VIEW DR
> > > > > MONTICELLO GA  31064-6371
> > > >
> > > > Well I found an EAGLE DRIVE in MapQuest, same core ZIP as you list,
> but
> > > not
> > > > that street number (gives a range of 400-527):
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?formtype=address&addtohistory=&address=
> > > >
> > >
> %5b400%2d527%5d%20Eagle%20Dr&city=Monticello&state=GA&zipcode=31064&country=
> > > > US&geodiff=1
> > > >
> > > > But no map displays (that could be my browser having a calf
> however).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mac
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] google can't find this address

[Gary Hurst]

i like to see who i'm dealing with, actually.

for example, say you place a large overnight order from bimby parts.  if i
don't know you, i like to see what sort of place you have before i ship.  if
i see a home that is owned by you, i feel a lot better than if i see a
mailboxes place.

you don't call, though, until you know the answers already.

i once had a guy place a large overnight order going to a trailer park.
when i emailed him about this, he explained that he needed it for his retail
auto parts store.  now we know we are dealing with nonsense, but we finish
by asking him if it is being sent to the "store" and would like to know more
about the "store" to see if he might qualify for any further discounts.  he
falls apart some more at this point and then goes away.

so it matters to me whether i'm going to a farm, a mansion, a hillbilly
shack.  i don't like any sort of additional surprises when conducting any
sort of business.

On Nov 16, 2007 12:18 PM, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> In that case I would call and ask for driving directions the old fashioned
> way!
>
> On Nov 16, 2007 8:13 AM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > yes
> >
> > On Nov 16, 2007 12:05 AM, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Is that the home of the white GS?
> > >
> > > On 11/15/07, Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > on 11/15/07 20:23, Gary Hurst at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > any of you guys have an other sort of mapping or gps that might be
> > > helpful?
> > > > > the post office recognizes the address as:
> > > > >
> > > > > 122 EAGLE VIEW DR
> > > > > MONTICELLO GA  31064-6371
> > > >
> > > > Well I found an EAGLE DRIVE in MapQuest, same core ZIP as you list,
> but
> > > not
> > > > that street number (gives a range of 400-527):
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?formtype=address&addtohistory=&address=
> > > >
> > >
> %5b400%2d527%5d%20Eagle%20Dr&city=Monticello&state=GA&zipcode=31064&country=
> > > > US&geodiff=1
> > > >
> > > > But no map displays (that could be my browser having a calf
> however).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mac
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] New refrigerant

[Tony Wirtel]

>
> I'm guessing the patent on 134 runs out about then.
>
> The deal about R-12 was that Dupont could no longer control the world
> supply, and therefore prices for R-12, so we had to figure out a way
> to get rid of it.  Dupont owns the 134 patent.  Here we go again.
>

As said patent issues for R-12 and -134a are urban legends stuff.  By
the cynic wonders how someone might figure how to modify CO2 (or
combo with something else) to make THAT patentable and then the
lobbyists make sure that's the only permitted blend.

Also:  With all the trouble with using circulating 120 bar CO2 as a
fluid why not just go and compress AIR, dump heat under expansion, and
use THAT?  I can't pretend to know anything about the efficiency, and
moisture would likely be an issue.  But it gets me thinking...

Tony Wirtel

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Re: [MBZ] jabba considers adding a second dog

[Gary Hurst]

in the rural deep south, the dog tends to be integrated into the community.
poor white trash is most fond of the dog and the dog most fond of him.
perhaps i have been overly influenced by this outlook.

On Nov 16, 2007 12:23 PM, ernest breakfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Gary,
>
>i hope you didn't also choose to ignore the reality, too; we'd like
> to see you around and happily in biz* for a while yet!   ;-)
>
>
> cheers!
> e
>
> (* for your own benefit, not because you're trying to pay off some
> liability judgment.)
>
>
> Gary Hurst wrote:
> > he's being sarcastic to rebut my "dogs aren't really all that dangerous
> by
> > nature" idea.
> >
> > i just didn't choose to continue the debate.
> >
> > On Nov 16, 2007 10:07 AM, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:44:05 -0800 "Zoltan Finks"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Cool. I was wondering about that. I've been wanting to meet this
> >>> German Shepherd I see in this yard that barks a lot but looks so
> >>> lonely. I think I'll just go ahead and pet him like I've been wanting
> >>> to. Thanks Gary.
> >>>
> >> Ummm ... that's probably not a good idea, unless you're VERY careful.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Craig
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] New refrigerant

[John Robbins]

Robert Rentfro wrote:
  > Hope it turns out to be cheap, long lasting and leak free.

I don't think you will be able to convert an R134 system to this new 
refrigerant.  I think it uses significantly higher operating pressures. 
  Its been a while since I've read up on it, but I know there was some 
gotcha...

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Re: [MBZ] New refrigerant

[Tom Hargrave]

Europe has been using pure CO2 as a refrigerant in some applications for
a while now. The problem with pure CO2 is that liquid pressures can run
much higher, up to 1800 PSI in some cases.

Maybe someone has come up with a gas blend that runs at more reasonable
pressure levels?

Tom
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It was reported by those Porsche guys:

"The new refrigerant, known as R744, is carbon dioxide 
(CO2) based. R744 has a GWP of 1,"

Firstly...I was unaware there was a rating GWP. That's so green...so
Gorey.
Secondly...CO2 based...wow such an exotic gas. Can't believe anyone
didn't
figure this out sooner.

Hope it turns out to be cheap, long lasting and leak free.

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Re: [MBZ] New refrigerant

[Robert Rentfro]

It was reported by those Porsche guys:

"The new refrigerant, known as R744, is carbon dioxide 
(CO2) based. R744 has a GWP of 1,"

Firstly...I was unaware there was a rating GWP. That's so green...so Gorey.
Secondly...CO2 based...wow such an exotic gas. Can't believe anyone didn't
figure this out sooner.

Hope it turns out to be cheap, long lasting and leak free.

Bob R. 



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Re: [MBZ] New refrigerant

[Robert Rentfro]

Very funny, OK Don

Bob R.

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> The new refrigerant is fortunately 25% more efficient the
> R134a.

COOL !!!

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Re: [MBZ] Cheap Rodbender

[Kaleb C. Striplin, work]

Maybe the bulb is burned out, or they let it go too long.

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> Not likely. The engine has a oil level sensor that turns on a red light
> in the dash long before the oil is low enough to cause damage.
> 
> Tom
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Re: [MBZ] google can't find this address

[dave walton]

Looks like a million+ dollar house from the Google maps satellite
image. But then maybe spreads like that are cheap in Georgia?

-Dave Walton

On Nov 16, 2007 12:41 PM, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> North west of Monticello. Same zip code.
>
> Don't know if that's the right place. Delorme Street Atlas has royally
> screwed me before...
>
> -Dave Walton
>
>
>
> On Nov 16, 2007 12:38 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > is that even near monticello georgia?
> >
> >
> > On Nov 16, 2007 12:30 PM, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > That will NEVER happen unless I somehow acquire another X chromosome
> > > or stand to close to the paper shredder, turn my head, and cough.
> > >
> > > Street Atlas 2003 pulled up that address. Off route 221 south of Stewart.
> > >
> > > -Dave Walton
> > >
> > > On Nov 16, 2007 12:18 PM, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > In that case I would call and ask for driving directions the old
> > > fashioned way!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Nov 16, 2007 8:13 AM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > yes
> > > > >
> > > > > On Nov 16, 2007 12:05 AM, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Is that the home of the white GS?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 11/15/07, Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > on 11/15/07 20:23, Gary Hurst at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > any of you guys have an other sort of mapping or gps that might
> > > be
> > > > > > helpful?
> > > > > > > > the post office recognizes the address as:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 122 EAGLE VIEW DR
> > > > > > > > MONTICELLO GA  31064-6371
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well I found an EAGLE DRIVE in MapQuest, same core ZIP as you
> > > list, but
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > that street number (gives a range of 400-527):
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?formtype=address&addtohistory=&address=
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > %5b400%2d527%5d%20Eagle%20Dr&city=Monticello&state=GA&zipcode=31064&country=
> > > > > > > US&geodiff=1
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But no map displays (that could be my browser having a calf
> > > however).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mac
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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Re: [MBZ] google can't find this address

[dave walton]

That will NEVER happen unless I somehow acquire another X chromosome
or stand to close to the paper shredder, turn my head, and cough.

Street Atlas 2003 pulled up that address. Off route 221 south of Stewart.

-Dave Walton

On Nov 16, 2007 12:18 PM, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In that case I would call and ask for driving directions the old fashioned 
> way!
>
>
> On Nov 16, 2007 8:13 AM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > yes
> >
> > On Nov 16, 2007 12:05 AM, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Is that the home of the white GS?
> > >
> > > On 11/15/07, Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > on 11/15/07 20:23, Gary Hurst at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > any of you guys have an other sort of mapping or gps that might be
> > > helpful?
> > > > > the post office recognizes the address as:
> > > > >
> > > > > 122 EAGLE VIEW DR
> > > > > MONTICELLO GA  31064-6371
> > > >
> > > > Well I found an EAGLE DRIVE in MapQuest, same core ZIP as you list, but
> > > not
> > > > that street number (gives a range of 400-527):
> > > >
> > > >
> > > http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?formtype=address&addtohistory=&address=
> > > >
> > > %5b400%2d527%5d%20Eagle%20Dr&city=Monticello&state=GA&zipcode=31064&country=
> > > > US&geodiff=1
> > > >
> > > > But no map displays (that could be my browser having a calf however).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mac
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] google can't find this address

[Gary Hurst]

is that even near monticello georgia?

On Nov 16, 2007 12:30 PM, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> That will NEVER happen unless I somehow acquire another X chromosome
> or stand to close to the paper shredder, turn my head, and cough.
>
> Street Atlas 2003 pulled up that address. Off route 221 south of Stewart.
>
> -Dave Walton
>
> On Nov 16, 2007 12:18 PM, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In that case I would call and ask for driving directions the old
> fashioned way!
> >
> >
> > On Nov 16, 2007 8:13 AM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > yes
> > >
> > > On Nov 16, 2007 12:05 AM, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Is that the home of the white GS?
> > > >
> > > > On 11/15/07, Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > on 11/15/07 20:23, Gary Hurst at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > any of you guys have an other sort of mapping or gps that might
> be
> > > > helpful?
> > > > > > the post office recognizes the address as:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 122 EAGLE VIEW DR
> > > > > > MONTICELLO GA  31064-6371
> > > > >
> > > > > Well I found an EAGLE DRIVE in MapQuest, same core ZIP as you
> list, but
> > > > not
> > > > > that street number (gives a range of 400-527):
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?formtype=address&addtohistory=&address=
> > > > >
> > > >
> %5b400%2d527%5d%20Eagle%20Dr&city=Monticello&state=GA&zipcode=31064&country=
> > > > > US&geodiff=1
> > > > >
> > > > > But no map displays (that could be my browser having a calf
> however).
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mac
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Re: [MBZ] google can't find this address

[dave walton]

North west of Monticello. Same zip code.

Don't know if that's the right place. Delorme Street Atlas has royally
screwed me before...

-Dave Walton


On Nov 16, 2007 12:38 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> is that even near monticello georgia?
>
>
> On Nov 16, 2007 12:30 PM, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > That will NEVER happen unless I somehow acquire another X chromosome
> > or stand to close to the paper shredder, turn my head, and cough.
> >
> > Street Atlas 2003 pulled up that address. Off route 221 south of Stewart.
> >
> > -Dave Walton
> >
> > On Nov 16, 2007 12:18 PM, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > In that case I would call and ask for driving directions the old
> > fashioned way!
> > >
> > >
> > > On Nov 16, 2007 8:13 AM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > yes
> > > >
> > > > On Nov 16, 2007 12:05 AM, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Is that the home of the white GS?
> > > > >
> > > > > On 11/15/07, Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > on 11/15/07 20:23, Gary Hurst at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > any of you guys have an other sort of mapping or gps that might
> > be
> > > > > helpful?
> > > > > > > the post office recognizes the address as:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 122 EAGLE VIEW DR
> > > > > > > MONTICELLO GA  31064-6371
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well I found an EAGLE DRIVE in MapQuest, same core ZIP as you
> > list, but
> > > > > not
> > > > > > that street number (gives a range of 400-527):
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?formtype=address&addtohistory=&address=
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > %5b400%2d527%5d%20Eagle%20Dr&city=Monticello&state=GA&zipcode=31064&country=
> > > > > > US&geodiff=1
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But no map displays (that could be my browser having a calf
> > however).
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mac
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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Re: [MBZ] speedo gear in tranny

[Christopher McCann]

ah. I didn't realize that the recommended tire is already a lower profile tire 
than the one that goes on the 14" rims.

Yeah, please check your tires tonight and let me know the specs.

Chris



John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Christopher McCann wrote:
> OK, so if I did put 15" wheels on my SD and used the "regular" tires
> for that wheel, what do I have to do to adjust the speedo cable to
> make things (speedometer, odo, trip) accurate? 

Nothing! :)  If you use the MB recommended tire size for those rims, 
everything should be the same diameter.  I don't remember what the size 
is, but I'll try to remember to go look on my car tonight.  You can 
always double check the tire size on that tire calculator to make sure 
it will be the same.

John


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun surprise

[LarryT]

You asked <<>> stranded

It wiped out the Buffalo which removed the indians source of food, shelter, 
bldg matl and just about everything else.   The Bffalo's would stand in 
great herds and fall one by one from mostly long range shots - which the 
45-70 excelled at.

Cowboys shooting at each other used mostly .44 and .45LC (Long Colt) 
calibers with the 30-30 Winchester saddle gun thrown in for good measure.

Later -

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- Original Message - 
From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun surprise


> dude, this is your gun.  don't get some ancient sharps.
>
> http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firearms/bigbore/1895.aspx
>
> i can't imagine 45-70 won the west.  it's a tad heavy for firefights with
> the injuns.
>
> On Nov 15, 2007 3:44 PM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> According to the movie it was a custom cartridge.  It looked like a
>> 45-70.  I have seen some of the modern rifles chambered 45-70 but
>> they are pricey.  One dealer even had a 45-70 sharps (original), and
>> I'd have loved to buy that.  I'd settle for a 45-70 sharps.
>>
>> At 01:32 PM 11/15/2007, you wrote:
>> >You wrote:<>
>> >
>> >Hi Loren,
>> > A *really* sweet rifle!  Some say it was the cartridge that Won the
>> >West.  Have you ever seen one of those round up close??  A big, heavy
>> piece
>> >of hardware that will put a serious hole in whatever it hits.
>> >
>> >I believe they are making some modern rifles (designed to look like
>> >historical models) chambered for 45-70.Also, IIRC, the rifle T
>> Selleck
>> >used in "Quigley Down Under"  was a 45-70.  The studio had 3 of the
>> rifles
>> >made by some custom gun maker in Wyoming?  Idaho?  somewhere up north.
>> >Selleck is a big gun collector and one of the perks he gets is the 
>> >option
>> to
>> >keep any/all of the guns used un his films.   Star power --  it must be
>> nice
>> >;-\
>> >
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>> >- Original Message -
>> >From: "Loren Faeth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> >Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:02 AM
>> >Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun surprise
>> >
>> >
>> > > I've always wanted a 45-70 lever action.  But I've never seen one,
>> > > much less afford it.
>> > >
>> > > At 09:32 AM 11/15/2007, you wrote:
>> > >>i've always been fond of carbines that shoot handgun ammo.  i'd 
>> > >>really
>> > >>like
>> > >>a lever action in .454, but that .44 ruger would run a close second 
>> > >>in
>> my
>> > >>heart
>> > >>
>> > >>On Nov 15, 2007 10:20 AM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> > My wife and I play cards with her grandparents on Sunday nights.
>> > >> >  Last Sunday when we went over her Grandfather pulled me aside
>> "I've
>> > >> > got a
>> > >> > rifle I want you to have".
>> > >> >  Turns out its a Ruger .44 Mag autoloading carbine. Looks like a
>> 10/22
>> > >> > but
>> > >> > bigger and with a non-removable magazine. Pretty much perfect
>> shape,
>> > >> > some
>> > >> > small scratches on the stock.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >  As a rifle its ugly as sin but I bet it'll be fun to shoot and a
>> handy
>> > >> > little deer rifle. He even had 2 boxes of ammo
>> > >> >
>> > >> >  -Curt
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
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Re: [MBZ] Thermostat Change 190D and Search Engine in Archives

[OK Don]

Always call - he can get a lot more parts than are on the web site,
and they (Rusty's not working all by himself) can steer you to the
best part for your needs.

> So when most of you guys order parts from Rusty, do you simply call
> him up and have him find the correct part for you, almost as if you
> were walking up to the counter at a parts house? I assumed the website
> was there so he wouldn't have to be on the phone looking up parts all
> the time. But I don't know, I was just assuming.

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel bulletproofness & OT: Gun surprise

[Gary Hurst]

now that is a thought!  i can provide guns.  can you provide cars?

On Nov 16, 2007 10:52 AM, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> We should combine these threads by trying one on the other and see what
> happens.
>
> --R
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Re: [MBZ] speedo gear in tranny

[John Robbins]

Christopher McCann wrote:
> OK, so if I did put 15" wheels on my SD and used the "regular" tires
> for that wheel, what do I have to do to adjust the speedo cable to
> make things (speedometer, odo, trip) accurate? 

Nothing! :)  If you use the MB recommended tire size for those rims, 
everything should be the same diameter.  I don't remember what the size 
is, but I'll try to remember to go look on my car tonight.  You can 
always double check the tire size on that tire calculator to make sure 
it will be the same.

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Re: [MBZ] New refrigerant

[Kaleb C. Striplin, work]

No, I think it was just a couple of months ago, although we might have also 
had it last year.

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- Original Message - 
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Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] New refrigerant


> We had this discussion last year 
>
> On Nov 16, 2007 8:49 AM, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Loren Faeth wrote:
>> > I'm guessing the patent on 134 runs out about then.
>> >
>> > The deal about R-12 was that Dupont could no longer control the world
>> > supply, and therefore prices for R-12, so we had to figure out a way
>> > to get rid of it.  Dupont owns the 134 patent.  Here we go again.
>>
>> Nope.  Patents for R12 ran out LONG before the 90's.
>>
>> http://www.imcool.com/articles/aircondition/refrigerant_history.php
>>
>> John
>
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Re: [MBZ] New refrigerant

[Rich Thomas]

No, they store it, termites and bacteria and humans release it when the 
trees die and rot or are burned.

TANSTAAFL

--R

John Robbins wrote:
> LarryT wrote:
>   
>> And while trees also contribute to CO2 levels, perhaps we should make them 
>> do something different.  Given the CO2 problems, I wonder why the UN is 
>> pushing a Billion Tree program?  Would seem to be counterproductive.
>> 
>
> Trees remove CO2...
>
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Re: [MBZ] New refrigerant

[dave walton]

The net effect overall is removal, but they do produce it depending
where it is in the daily cycle - they give off CO2 at night.
Technically, the scenic mist seen in the mountains early in the morning is smog.

-Dave Walton


On Nov 16, 2007 11:38 AM, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> LarryT wrote:
> > And while trees also contribute to CO2 levels, perhaps we should make them
> > do something different.  Given the CO2 problems, I wonder why the UN is
> > pushing a Billion Tree program?  Would seem to be counterproductive.
>
> Trees remove CO2...
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] New refrigerant

[LarryT]

Hmmm,  since CO2 is so evil, I wonder how long before humans will be taxed 
for breathing and expelling CO2?  Think of all the money to be turned over 
to the Govt.  ;-)As everyone knows, the air we exhale is heavy in CO2 so 
perhaps we will be forced to find another means of moving O2 into our lungs? 
Course the taxation is preferable.

And while trees also contribute to CO2 levels, perhaps we should make them 
do something different.  Given the CO2 problems, I wonder why the UN is 
pushing a Billion Tree program?  Would seem to be counterproductive.

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Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] New refrigerant


> It was reported by those Porsche guys:
>
> "The new refrigerant, known as R744, is carbon dioxide
> (CO2) based. R744 has a GWP of 1,"
>
> Firstly...I was unaware there was a rating GWP. That's so green...so 
> Gorey.
> Secondly...CO2 based...wow such an exotic gas. Can't believe anyone didn't
> figure this out sooner.
>
> Hope it turns out to be cheap, long lasting and leak free.
>
> Bob R.
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Re: [MBZ] New refrigerant

[OK Don]

We had this discussion last year 

On Nov 16, 2007 8:49 AM, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Loren Faeth wrote:
> > I'm guessing the patent on 134 runs out about then.
> >
> > The deal about R-12 was that Dupont could no longer control the world
> > supply, and therefore prices for R-12, so we had to figure out a way
> > to get rid of it.  Dupont owns the 134 patent.  Here we go again.
>
> Nope.  Patents for R12 ran out LONG before the 90's.
>
> http://www.imcool.com/articles/aircondition/refrigerant_history.php
>
> John


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Re: [MBZ] New refrigerant

[Tom Hargrave]

Tony,

Refrigeration systems take advantage of the tremendous amount of energy
needed to convert a liquid into gas & the tremendous amount of energy
released when converting that gas back into a liquid.

Air won't work because nitrogen, which is what air is mostly composed
of, will not compress into a liquid until you reach pressues way in
excess of reasonable.

Tom
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Original Message
From: Tony Wirtel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 11/16/07 11:33 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] New refrigerant
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
> I'm guessing the patent on 134 runs out about then.
>
> The deal about R-12 was that Dupont could no longer control the world
> supply, and therefore prices for R-12, so we had to figure out a way
> to get rid of it.  Dupont owns the 134 patent.  Here we go again.
>

As said patent issues for R-12 and -134a are urban legends stuff.  By
the cynic wonders how someone might figure how to modify CO2 (or
combo with something else) to make THAT patentable and then the
lobbyists make sure that's the only permitted blend.

Also:  With all the trouble with using circulating 120 bar CO2 as a
fluid why not just go and compress AIR, dump heat under expansion, and
use THAT?  I can't pretend to know anything about the efficiency, and
moisture would likely be an issue.  But it gets me thinking...

Tony Wirtel

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Re: [MBZ] New refrigerant

[John Robbins]

dave walton wrote:
> Technically, the scenic mist seen in the mountains early in the morning is 
> smog.

Now thats a neat fact!  :)

John


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Re: [MBZ] New refrigerant

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Nov 16, 2007 6:39 AM, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Europe has been using pure CO2 as a refrigerant in some applications for
> a while now. The problem with pure CO2 is that liquid pressures can run
> much higher, up to 1800 PSI in some cases.
>

Maybe when the CO2 system leaks out at 1800PSI it will help keep the
fire under control from your leaking high-pressure direct-injection
gas engine.  Aren't the latter getting to be pretty common in Europe
now too?  Deathtrap if you ask me.

Alex Chamberlain
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Re: [MBZ] google can't find this address

[Gary Hurst]

they would be shockingly cheap in monticello georgia and there appear to be
many of them hidden away in the woods there.

On Nov 16, 2007 12:43 PM, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Looks like a million+ dollar house from the Google maps satellite
> image. But then maybe spreads like that are cheap in Georgia?
>
> -Dave Walton
>
> On Nov 16, 2007 12:41 PM, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > North west of Monticello. Same zip code.
> >
> > Don't know if that's the right place. Delorme Street Atlas has royally
> > screwed me before...
> >
> > -Dave Walton
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 16, 2007 12:38 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > is that even near monticello georgia?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Nov 16, 2007 12:30 PM, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > That will NEVER happen unless I somehow acquire another X chromosome
> > > > or stand to close to the paper shredder, turn my head, and cough.
> > > >
> > > > Street Atlas 2003 pulled up that address. Off route 221 south of
> Stewart.
> > > >
> > > > -Dave Walton
> > > >
> > > > On Nov 16, 2007 12:18 PM, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > > > In that case I would call and ask for driving directions the old
> > > > fashioned way!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Nov 16, 2007 8:13 AM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > yes
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Nov 16, 2007 12:05 AM, andrew strasfogel <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is that the home of the white GS?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 11/15/07, Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > on 11/15/07 20:23, Gary Hurst at [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > any of you guys have an other sort of mapping or gps that
> might
> > > > be
> > > > > > > helpful?
> > > > > > > > > the post office recognizes the address as:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 122 EAGLE VIEW DR
> > > > > > > > > MONTICELLO GA  31064-6371
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well I found an EAGLE DRIVE in MapQuest, same core ZIP as
> you
> > > > list, but
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > that street number (gives a range of 400-527):
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?formtype=address&addtohistory=&address=
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> %5b400%2d527%5d%20Eagle%20Dr&city=Monticello&state=GA&zipcode=31064&country=
> > > > > > > > US&geodiff=1
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > But no map displays (that could be my browser having a calf
> > > > however).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mac
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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Re: [MBZ] my next tool purchase

[Rich Thomas]

I think you can buy similar blades at Lowes/HD -- metal cutting carbide 
(not regular carbide like for wood).  A bit pricey though.  You can use 
a wood carbide blade to cut aluminum but not steel.

--R

andrew strasfogel wrote:
> Looks awesome, but I didn't see ordering or price info.  What do they go for?
>
> On Nov 15, 2007 2:15 AM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> http://www.metaldevil.com/seeing.html
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Re: [MBZ] New refrigerant

[Loren Faeth]

I'm guessing the patent on 134 runs out about then.

The deal about R-12 was that Dupont could no longer control the world 
supply, and therefore prices for R-12, so we had to figure out a way 
to get rid of it.  Dupont owns the 134 patent.  Here we go again.

At 07:47 AM 11/16/2007, you wrote:
>Geez, so I am going to have to invest in yet another round of refrigeration
>equipment?  Hopefully its cheaper than 134 is now.
>
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>To: 
>Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:24 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] New refrigerant
>
>
> > >From the November Porsche Panorama:
> >
> > First Freon was the culprit in damage to the atmosphere and now it's
> > replacement, R134a also has been found to be an environmental hazard and
> > will be
> > banned as of 2011 in the EU. The new refrigerant, known as R744, is carbon
> > dioxide
> > (CO2) based. R744 has a GWP of 1, the lowest possible level, whereas R134a
> > has
> > a GWP of 1430. GWP is a new measure and stands for Global Warming
> > Potential.
> > No word on when the U.S. will follow suit on the ban but it is expected to
> > be
> > near simultaneous. The new refrigerant is fortunately 25% more efficient
> > the
> > R134a.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] New refrigerant

[Robert Rentfro]

John, in this case the voice of reason, reminded us:

"but I know there was some 
gotcha..."

I kinda figured if CO2 was being considered for use in auto HVAC they must
have addressed the wicked high pressure dilemma. Maybe they haven't. And I'm
totally sure there won't be any easy, inexpensive conversion kits developed.

Bob R.
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Re: [MBZ] Thermostat Change 190D and Search Engine in Archives

[Rick Knoble]

> 3. This is not, at all, a rip on Rusty or anyone esle: But I am not
> willing to assume that the person selling me parts is all-knowing - as
> you two have suggested I do.

> asked if running an 85C thermostat is better or not. Since then I have
> seen a post in the archives by Marshall that suggested that the car
> ought to run at 85. So I need to decide what advice to heed.
> 
> Brian

If you have ever seen a documentary concerning Eric Clapton there is usually a 
reference to some graffiti on a wall stating "Clapton is God". In Mercedes 
context concerning MB parts "Rusty is God" and concerning MB diesel repairs and 
maintenance "Marshall is God". Buy whatever thermostat Rusty recommends, and 
change the f'n thing. You gotta learn to trust the peoples intelligence on this 
list.

Rick Knoble 
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Re: [MBZ] Thermostat Change 190D and Search Engine in Archives

[Curt Raymond]

Don't trust the bozos at Autozone et al unless they prove themselves. Rusty 
proves himself day in and day out on this list.

Your car will run somewhere just north of 80c with an 85c thermostat. The rated 
temp is at the point where the thermostat is fully open, its opening before 
that...

I've got one in my car, temp needle runs just above 80c.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 00:23:31 -0800
From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thermostat Change 190D and Search Engine in
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1. Thanks, Kaleb. I was able to search via the page you sent me a link
to. Don't know how I could have found the page otherwise, but thanks.

2. Thanks, John, for the digital camera idea. Hadn't thought of that.
I suppose it is to auto repair what GPS is to exploration. Hope
surgeons don't start doing this.

3. This is not, at all, a rip on Rusty or anyone esle: But I am not
willing to assume that the person selling me parts is all-knowing - as
you two have suggested I do.

I have been told repeatedly that my 190D should run at 80C, and I saw
that Rusty's site only offered an 85C thermostat. That is why I simply
asked if running an 85C thermostat is better or not. Since then I have
seen a post in the archives by Marshall that suggested that the car
ought to run at 85. So I need to decide what advice to heed.

Brian

   
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Re: [MBZ] New refrigerant

[Tom Hargrave]

Yah, right.

Dupont never had an exclusive market for either of these products.

R12 was manufactured by  several companies, not just DuPont.

R134 is being manufactured by several companies, not just DuPont.

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Original Message
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] New refrigerant
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I'm guessing the patent on 134 runs out about then.

The deal about R-12 was that Dupont could no longer control the world 
supply, and therefore prices for R-12, so we had to figure out a way 
to get rid of it.  Dupont owns the 134 patent.  Here we go again.

At 07:47 AM 11/16/2007, you wrote:
>Geez, so I am going to have to invest in yet another round of
refrigeration
>equipment?  Hopefully its cheaper than 134 is now.
>
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>- Original Message -
>From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 
>Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:24 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] New refrigerant
>
>
> > >From the November Porsche Panorama:
> >
> > First Freon was the culprit in damage to the atmosphere and now it's
> > replacement, R134a also has been found to be an environmental hazard
and
> > will be
> > banned as of 2011 in the EU. The new refrigerant, known as R744, is
carbon
> > dioxide
> > (CO2) based. R744 has a GWP of 1, the lowest possible level, whereas
R134a
> > has
> > a GWP of 1430. GWP is a new measure and stands for Global Warming
> > Potential.
> > No word on when the U.S. will follow suit on the ban but it is
expected to
> > be
> > near simultaneous. The new refrigerant is fortunately 25% more
efficient
> > the
> > R134a.
> >
> >
> > **
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> > http://www.aol.com
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Re: [MBZ] New refrigerant

[OK Don]

You're welcome.

On Nov 16, 2007 8:10 AM, Robert Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Very funny, OK Don
>
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[MBZ] speedo gear in tranny

[Christopher McCann]

OK, so if I did put 15" wheels on my SD and used the "regular" tires for that 
wheel, what do I have to do to adjust the speedo cable to make things 
(speedometer, odo, trip) accurate? I am told that on MOPARs there is a little 
plastic gear that you simply pop out, drop in the correct one and you're done. 
Is this the case on our cars? If so, what is the gear I need? Could I take one 
off any 126 that has 15" rims...like the 500SEL that's at the pick and pull?

Thanks,

Chris




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Re: [MBZ] New refrigerant

[Rich Thomas]

We should set up a new business selling R134a offsets.

--R

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >From the November Porsche Panorama:
>
> First Freon was the culprit in damage to the atmosphere and now it's 
> replacement, R134a also has been found to be an environmental hazard and will 
> be 
> banned as of 2011 in the EU. The new refrigerant, known as R744, is carbon 
> dioxide 
> (CO2) based. R744 has a GWP of 1, the lowest possible level, whereas R134a 
> has 
> a GWP of 1430. GWP is a new measure and stands for Global Warming Potential. 
> No word on when the U.S. will follow suit on the ban but it is expected to be 
> near simultaneous. The new refrigerant is fortunately 25% more efficient the 
> R134a.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] google can't find this address

[Gary Hurst]

it's not.  as far as i can see, it is just not on the map.

On Nov 16, 2007 12:41 PM, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> North west of Monticello. Same zip code.
>
> Don't know if that's the right place. Delorme Street Atlas has royally
> screwed me before...
>
> -Dave Walton
>
>
> On Nov 16, 2007 12:38 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > is that even near monticello georgia?
> >
> >
> > On Nov 16, 2007 12:30 PM, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > That will NEVER happen unless I somehow acquire another X chromosome
> > > or stand to close to the paper shredder, turn my head, and cough.
> > >
> > > Street Atlas 2003 pulled up that address. Off route 221 south of
> Stewart.
> > >
> > > -Dave Walton
> > >
> > > On Nov 16, 2007 12:18 PM, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > > In that case I would call and ask for driving directions the old
> > > fashioned way!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Nov 16, 2007 8:13 AM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > yes
> > > > >
> > > > > On Nov 16, 2007 12:05 AM, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Is that the home of the white GS?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 11/15/07, Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > on 11/15/07 20:23, Gary Hurst at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > any of you guys have an other sort of mapping or gps that
> might
> > > be
> > > > > > helpful?
> > > > > > > > the post office recognizes the address as:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 122 EAGLE VIEW DR
> > > > > > > > MONTICELLO GA  31064-6371
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well I found an EAGLE DRIVE in MapQuest, same core ZIP as you
> > > list, but
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > that street number (gives a range of 400-527):
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?formtype=address&addtohistory=&address=
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> %5b400%2d527%5d%20Eagle%20Dr&city=Monticello&state=GA&zipcode=31064&country=
> > > > > > > US&geodiff=1
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But no map displays (that could be my browser having a calf
> > > however).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mac
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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Re: [MBZ] jabba considers adding a second dog

[Craig McCluskey]

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:44:05 -0800 "Zoltan Finks"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Cool. I was wondering about that. I've been wanting to meet this
> German Shepherd I see in this yard that barks a lot but looks so
> lonely. I think I'll just go ahead and pet him like I've been wanting
> to. Thanks Gary.

Ummm ... that's probably not a good idea, unless you're VERY careful.



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Re: [MBZ] Thermostat Change 190D and Search Engine in Archives

[Kaleb C. Striplin, work]

I just sent him a list of part numbers usually.  Many times it will be 
cheaper if you call.  Also not everything is on the website.

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- Original Message - 
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Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thermostat Change 190D and Search Engine in Archives


> Ah, and there is a song by Bruce Springstein in which he says "blind
> faith in your leaders will get you killed." :)
>
> I was wanting to lean on the intelligence of the list. That's why I
> asked about any pitfalls, like the whole air getting trapped thing.
> Looks like the repair advice is not to think that much and just start
> buying and wrenching.
>
> Maybe my mistake with Rusty's site is I go to the parts catalog and
> search for my part, then often get stumped when it lists more than one
> part or requires some other knowledge I don't have.
>
> So when most of you guys order parts from Rusty, do you simply call
> him up and have him find the correct part for you, almost as if you
> were walking up to the counter at a parts house? I assumed the website
> was there so he wouldn't have to be on the phone looking up parts all
> the time. But I don't know, I was just assuming.
>
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Re: [MBZ] jabba considers adding a second dog

[Gary Hurst]

he's being sarcastic to rebut my "dogs aren't really all that dangerous by
nature" idea.

i just didn't choose to continue the debate.

On Nov 16, 2007 10:07 AM, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:44:05 -0800 "Zoltan Finks"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Cool. I was wondering about that. I've been wanting to meet this
> > German Shepherd I see in this yard that barks a lot but looks so
> > lonely. I think I'll just go ahead and pet him like I've been wanting
> > to. Thanks Gary.
>
> Ummm ... that's probably not a good idea, unless you're VERY careful.
>
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] google can't find this address

[Rick Knoble]

Try 
122 Eagle Dr
Monticello, GA 31064

Looks like a nice neighborhood.

Rick Knoble 
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Re: [MBZ] Thermostat Change 190D and Search Engine in Archives

[Zoltan Finks]

Ah, and there is a song by Bruce Springstein in which he says "blind
faith in your leaders will get you killed." :)

I was wanting to lean on the intelligence of the list. That's why I
asked about any pitfalls, like the whole air getting trapped thing.
Looks like the repair advice is not to think that much and just start
buying and wrenching.

Maybe my mistake with Rusty's site is I go to the parts catalog and
search for my part, then often get stumped when it lists more than one
part or requires some other knowledge I don't have.

So when most of you guys order parts from Rusty, do you simply call
him up and have him find the correct part for you, almost as if you
were walking up to the counter at a parts house? I assumed the website
was there so he wouldn't have to be on the phone looking up parts all
the time. But I don't know, I was just assuming.

Brian

> If you have ever seen a documentary concerning Eric Clapton there is usually 
> a reference to some graffiti on a wall stating "Clapton is God". In Mercedes 
> context concerning MB parts "Rusty is God" and concerning MB diesel repairs 
> and maintenance "Marshall is God". Buy whatever thermostat Rusty recommends, 
> and change the f'n thing. You gotta learn to trust the peoples intelligence 
> on this list.
>
> Rick Knoble
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> '87 190 DT
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Re: [MBZ] New refrigerant

[Rich Thomas]

Ronald Reagan got vilified for pointing out the fact that trees emit 
considerable precursors to photochemical smog, esp pine trees.  Smoky 
Mountains are "smoky" because of tree emissions!  Bad trees BAD!

--R

John Robbins wrote:
> dave walton wrote:
>   
>> Technically, the scenic mist seen in the mountains early in the morning is 
>> smog.
>> 
>
> Now thats a neat fact!  :)
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Re: [MBZ] jabba considers adding a second dog

[ernest breakfield]

Gary,

i hope you didn't also choose to ignore the reality, too; we'd like 
to see you around and happily in biz* for a while yet!   ;-)


cheers!
e

(* for your own benefit, not because you're trying to pay off some 
liability judgment.)


Gary Hurst wrote:
> he's being sarcastic to rebut my "dogs aren't really all that dangerous by
> nature" idea.
>
> i just didn't choose to continue the debate.
>
> On Nov 16, 2007 10:07 AM, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:44:05 -0800 "Zoltan Finks"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Cool. I was wondering about that. I've been wanting to meet this
>>> German Shepherd I see in this yard that barks a lot but looks so
>>> lonely. I think I'll just go ahead and pet him like I've been wanting
>>> to. Thanks Gary.
>>>   
>> Ummm ... that's probably not a good idea, unless you're VERY careful.
>>
>>
>>
>> Craig
>>
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Re: [MBZ] google can't find this address

[John Robbins]

Gary Hurst wrote:
> i once had a guy place a large overnight order going to a trailer park.
> when i emailed him about this, he explained that he needed it for his retail
> auto parts store.  now we know we are dealing with nonsense, but we finish
> by asking him if it is being sent to the "store" and would like to know more
> about the "store" to see if he might qualify for any further discounts.  he
> falls apart some more at this point and then goes away.
> 
> so it matters to me whether i'm going to a farm, a mansion, a hillbilly
> shack.  i don't like any sort of additional surprises when conducting any
> sort of business.

So were you expecting him to not pay or charge back?

Maybe my definition of large is different than yours... if large is >$5k 
or something than I'd probably change my tune.  I think the largest 
order I've put in is $1500...   so do you know what my house looks like? 
;)

John


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Re: [MBZ] google can't find this address

[andrew strasfogel]

In that case I would call and ask for driving directions the old fashioned way!

On Nov 16, 2007 8:13 AM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> yes
>
> On Nov 16, 2007 12:05 AM, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Is that the home of the white GS?
> >
> > On 11/15/07, Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > on 11/15/07 20:23, Gary Hurst at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > > any of you guys have an other sort of mapping or gps that might be
> > helpful?
> > > > the post office recognizes the address as:
> > > >
> > > > 122 EAGLE VIEW DR
> > > > MONTICELLO GA  31064-6371
> > >
> > > Well I found an EAGLE DRIVE in MapQuest, same core ZIP as you list, but
> > not
> > > that street number (gives a range of 400-527):
> > >
> > >
> > http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?formtype=address&addtohistory=&address=
> > >
> > %5b400%2d527%5d%20Eagle%20Dr&city=Monticello&state=GA&zipcode=31064&country=
> > > US&geodiff=1
> > >
> > > But no map displays (that could be my browser having a calf however).
> > >
> > >
> > > Mac
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Re: [MBZ] New refrigerant

[Kaleb C. Striplin, work]

Geez, so I am going to have to invest in yet another round of refrigeration 
equipment?  Hopefully its cheaper than 134 is now.

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> >From the November Porsche Panorama:
>
> First Freon was the culprit in damage to the atmosphere and now it's
> replacement, R134a also has been found to be an environmental hazard and 
> will be
> banned as of 2011 in the EU. The new refrigerant, known as R744, is carbon 
> dioxide
> (CO2) based. R744 has a GWP of 1, the lowest possible level, whereas R134a 
> has
> a GWP of 1430. GWP is a new measure and stands for Global Warming 
> Potential.
> No word on when the U.S. will follow suit on the ban but it is expected to 
> be
> near simultaneous. The new refrigerant is fortunately 25% more efficient 
> the
> R134a.
>
>
> **
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[MBZ] Diesel bulletproofness & OT: Gun surprise

[Rich Thomas]

We should combine these threads by trying one on the other and see what 
happens.

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Re: [MBZ] jabba considers adding a second dog

[Zoltan Finks]

Nah, your heart's in the right place.

I was just thinking of the unfortunate reality surrounding peoples'
freaking out if a dog dares nip anyone. It is harrowing to think that
one could be in bankruptcy, or debt for the rest of their life over a
bite. Heck, even put behind bars.

I have been extremely fortunate here. My late Dobie was freaked out
by, or just plain irritated by, children. This isn't uncommon for
males sometimes, and he certainly wasn't abused into being like this.

And yes, he nipped three different children. I do mean nip, not bite.
Fortunately two of these occasions were kids of people I knew, so they
accepted my very sincere apologies.

The third occasion was a little girl whose mom I did not know. I was
living in a run down apartment complex and after the incident, a lot
of the residents were banding together spouting words like "have him
put down". This little toddler had come walking straight up to my
Dobie on the street as her mom asked if her girl could pet him. I
didn't reply and before I had time to think what to do the toddler was
basically trying to hug him. He started to growl as I got my hand
between his beak and the little girl. I yanked the leash back and she
wound up with some bruising on her back from the nips.

No, dogs cannot be allowed to go around inflicting damage, I realize
that, and I'm not saying it was okay what happened.

Had to shake my head at the insanity recently when in a local hiking
area near where I live, there was a Barred Owl that had attacked
several people. But instead of doing anything to quell the danger to
people, the parks dept. simply warned people that they were in danger
and ought to stop hiking there 'til the owl was not angry anymore. A
dog bites someone, and he can be put to sleep, but perish the thought
of taking this stupid owl out with a well-placed shot.

Anyway, that's all I was talking about.

Our dogs certainly are integrated into our lives, I think. Sharing
beds, getting the best food we can afford, riding around in the back
seat of our cars, getting so much of our time in long walks and
training. When I had my Dakota pickup, by boy Magnum rode around in
the passenger seat. Was hard to see around him sometimes but I could
have him lay down when needed.

Brian

On 11/16/07, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> in the rural deep south, the dog tends to be integrated into the community.
> poor white trash is most fond of the dog and the dog most fond of him.
> perhaps i have been overly influenced by this outlook.
>
> On Nov 16, 2007 12:23 PM, ernest breakfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Gary,
> >
> >i hope you didn't also choose to ignore the reality, too; we'd like
> > to see you around and happily in biz* for a while yet!   ;-)
> >
> >
> > cheers!
> > e
> >
> > (* for your own benefit, not because you're trying to pay off some
> > liability judgment.)
> >
> >
> > Gary Hurst wrote:
> > > he's being sarcastic to rebut my "dogs aren't really all that dangerous
> > by
> > > nature" idea.
> > >
> > > i just didn't choose to continue the debate.
> > >
> > > On Nov 16, 2007 10:07 AM, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:44:05 -0800 "Zoltan Finks"
> > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Cool. I was wondering about that. I've been wanting to meet this
> > >>> German Shepherd I see in this yard that barks a lot but looks so
> > >>> lonely. I think I'll just go ahead and pet him like I've been wanting
> > >>> to. Thanks Gary.
> > >>>
> > >> Ummm ... that's probably not a good idea, unless you're VERY careful.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Craig
> > >>
> > >>
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Re: [MBZ] google can't find this address

[dave walton]

Eagle Drive does not match the Zip+4 GPS coordinates.

-Dave Walton

On Nov 16, 2007 1:56 PM, Rick Knoble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Try
> 122 Eagle Dr
> Monticello, GA 31064
>
> Looks like a nice neighborhood.
>
> Rick Knoble
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> '87 190 DT
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Re: [MBZ] New refrigerant

[John Robbins]

Loren Faeth wrote:
> I'm guessing the patent on 134 runs out about then.
> 
> The deal about R-12 was that Dupont could no longer control the world 
> supply, and therefore prices for R-12, so we had to figure out a way 
> to get rid of it.  Dupont owns the 134 patent.  Here we go again.

Nope.  Patents for R12 ran out LONG before the 90's.

http://www.imcool.com/articles/aircondition/refrigerant_history.php

John


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[MBZ] Best pictures award

[Curt Raymond]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-300CD-veggie-oil-or-diesel-or-biodiesel-or-mix_W0QQitemZ290181467826QQihZ019QQcategoryZ6330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Re: [MBZ] Best pictures award

[degcoast]

must be a rare Euro model never before seen on these shores.
Dwight 
 Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
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Re: [MBZ] jabba considers adding a second dog

[Gary Hurst]

i only mess with dogs and don't need training.  if the dog just seems to
basically know what to do, i go with it.  otherwise, i let other people mess
with them.

On Nov 16, 2007 2:50 PM, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Nah, your heart's in the right place.
>
> I was just thinking of the unfortunate reality surrounding peoples'
> freaking out if a dog dares nip anyone. It is harrowing to think that
> one could be in bankruptcy, or debt for the rest of their life over a
> bite. Heck, even put behind bars.
>
> I have been extremely fortunate here. My late Dobie was freaked out
> by, or just plain irritated by, children. This isn't uncommon for
> males sometimes, and he certainly wasn't abused into being like this.
>
> And yes, he nipped three different children. I do mean nip, not bite.
> Fortunately two of these occasions were kids of people I knew, so they
> accepted my very sincere apologies.
>
> The third occasion was a little girl whose mom I did not know. I was
> living in a run down apartment complex and after the incident, a lot
> of the residents were banding together spouting words like "have him
> put down". This little toddler had come walking straight up to my
> Dobie on the street as her mom asked if her girl could pet him. I
> didn't reply and before I had time to think what to do the toddler was
> basically trying to hug him. He started to growl as I got my hand
> between his beak and the little girl. I yanked the leash back and she
> wound up with some bruising on her back from the nips.
>
> No, dogs cannot be allowed to go around inflicting damage, I realize
> that, and I'm not saying it was okay what happened.
>
> Had to shake my head at the insanity recently when in a local hiking
> area near where I live, there was a Barred Owl that had attacked
> several people. But instead of doing anything to quell the danger to
> people, the parks dept. simply warned people that they were in danger
> and ought to stop hiking there 'til the owl was not angry anymore. A
> dog bites someone, and he can be put to sleep, but perish the thought
> of taking this stupid owl out with a well-placed shot.
>
> Anyway, that's all I was talking about.
>
> Our dogs certainly are integrated into our lives, I think. Sharing
> beds, getting the best food we can afford, riding around in the back
> seat of our cars, getting so much of our time in long walks and
> training. When I had my Dakota pickup, by boy Magnum rode around in
> the passenger seat. Was hard to see around him sometimes but I could
> have him lay down when needed.
>
> Brian
>
> On 11/16/07, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > in the rural deep south, the dog tends to be integrated into the
> community.
> > poor white trash is most fond of the dog and the dog most fond of him.
> > perhaps i have been overly influenced by this outlook.
> >
> > On Nov 16, 2007 12:23 PM, ernest breakfield <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Gary,
> > >
> > >i hope you didn't also choose to ignore the reality, too; we'd like
> > > to see you around and happily in biz* for a while yet!   ;-)
> > >
> > >
> > > cheers!
> > > e
> > >
> > > (* for your own benefit, not because you're trying to pay off some
> > > liability judgment.)
> > >
> > >
> > > Gary Hurst wrote:
> > > > he's being sarcastic to rebut my "dogs aren't really all that
> dangerous
> > > by
> > > > nature" idea.
> > > >
> > > > i just didn't choose to continue the debate.
> > > >
> > > > On Nov 16, 2007 10:07 AM, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:44:05 -0800 "Zoltan Finks"
> > > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> Cool. I was wondering about that. I've been wanting to meet this
> > > >>> German Shepherd I see in this yard that barks a lot but looks so
> > > >>> lonely. I think I'll just go ahead and pet him like I've been
> wanting
> > > >>> to. Thanks Gary.
> > > >>>
> > > >> Ummm ... that's probably not a good idea, unless you're VERY
> careful.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Craig
> > > >>
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Re: [MBZ] Thermostat Change 190D and Search Engine in Archives

[Kaleb C. Striplin, work]

Everyone know that Jabba does all the work around there.

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> Always call - he can get a lot more parts than are on the web site,
> and they (Rusty's not working all by himself) can steer you to the
> best part for your needs.
> 
>> So when most of you guys order parts from Rusty, do you simply call
>> him up and have him find the correct part for you, almost as if you
>> were walking up to the counter at a parts house? I assumed the website
>> was there so he wouldn't have to be on the phone looking up parts all
>> the time. But I don't know, I was just assuming.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] New refrigerant

[EDWARD DENNIS]

Hi,
  Crazy as it sounds can we tax California for its wood burning co2 
contributions 
  with it forest fires being yearly events?  Green state indeed??
  Negligence is no excuse, tax Hollywood.
  Ed in Chicago 

LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Hmmm, since CO2 is so evil, I wonder how long before humans will be taxed 
for breathing and expelling CO2? Think of all the money to be turned over 
to the Govt. ;-) As everyone knows, the air we exhale is heavy in CO2 so 
perhaps we will be forced to find another means of moving O2 into our lungs? 
Course the taxation is preferable.

And while trees also contribute to CO2 levels, perhaps we should make them 
do something different. Given the CO2 problems, I wonder why the UN is 
pushing a Billion Tree program? Would seem to be counterproductive.

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] New refrigerant


> It was reported by those Porsche guys:
>
> "The new refrigerant, known as R744, is carbon dioxide
> (CO2) based. R744 has a GWP of 1,"
>
> Firstly...I was unaware there was a rating GWP. That's so green...so 
> Gorey.
> Secondly...CO2 based...wow such an exotic gas. Can't believe anyone didn't
> figure this out sooner.
>
> Hope it turns out to be cheap, long lasting and leak free.
>
> Bob R.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Thermostat Change 190D and Search Engine in Archives

[John Robbins]

Zoltan Finks wrote:
> I was wanting to lean on the intelligence of the list. That's why I
> asked about any pitfalls, like the whole air getting trapped thing.
> Looks like the repair advice is not to think that much and just start
> buying and wrenching.

Basically...  just make sure to watch the temp gauge on that first drive 
around the block.

> So when most of you guys order parts from Rusty, do you simply call
> him up and have him find the correct part for you, almost as if you
> were walking up to the counter at a parts house? I assumed the website
> was there so he wouldn't have to be on the phone looking up parts all
> the time. But I don't know, I was just assuming.

I'm usually one who doesn't like to ask other people to do what I can do 
for myself (ie, at Autozone I only go to the counter to get something 
from behind the counter), but with Rusty I call.  I would say the 
website is only about 65% of what Rusty has to offer  I usually use 
it to get a rough estimate of how much something would cost and thats 
about it.  If you don't want to take up a lot of time on the phone send 
Tom (one of Rusty's employees) an email.  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: [MBZ] Thermostat Change 190D and Search Engine in Archives

[Curt Raymond]

Depends on what I'm ordering. Some stuff isn't on the website, the driveshaft 
for my 190D for instance. For that stuff you need to call.
When I'm just ordering oil filters or other small stuff I use the website. If I 
have any question I call.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:32:22 -0800
From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thermostat Change 190D and Search Engine in
 Archives
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
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Ah, and there is a song by Bruce Springstein in which he says "blind
faith in your leaders will get you killed." :)

I was wanting to lean on the intelligence of the list. That's why I
asked about any pitfalls, like the whole air getting trapped thing.
Looks like the repair advice is not to think that much and just start
buying and wrenching.

Maybe my mistake with Rusty's site is I go to the parts catalog and
search for my part, then often get stumped when it lists more than one
part or requires some other knowledge I don't have.

So when most of you guys order parts from Rusty, do you simply call
him up and have him find the correct part for you, almost as if you
were walking up to the counter at a parts house? I assumed the website
was there so he wouldn't have to be on the phone looking up parts all
the time. But I don't know, I was just assuming.

Brian

   
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Re: [MBZ] jabba considers adding a second dog

[Mitch Haley]

Zoltan Finks wrote:
> 
> I was just thinking of the unfortunate reality surrounding peoples'
> freaking out if a dog dares nip anyone.

http://www.nbc10.com/news/14587595/detail.html

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[MBZ] Herr Marshall (or anyone who knows) 0-62 time...

[Christopher McCann]

for my 1985 300SD, non California. I think I heard someone say 15 seconds.

Thanks!

Chris




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Re: [MBZ] Best pictures award

[Kaleb C. Striplin, work]

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Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:43 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Best pictures award


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Re: [MBZ] speedo gear in tranny

[John Freer]

Chris,
this is what the stock W126 setup looks like:
Wheel size: 7Jx15 H2 offset (ET) is 25, tires 205/65/15 

and will work great on your 300SD.
John

On 11/16/07, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ah. I didn't realize that the recommended tire is already a lower profile 
> tire than the one that goes on the 14" rims.
>
> Yeah, please check your tires tonight and let me know the specs.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Christopher McCann wrote:
> > OK, so if I did put 15" wheels on my SD and used the "regular" tires
> > for that wheel, what do I have to do to adjust the speedo cable to
> > make things (speedometer, odo, trip) accurate?
>
> Nothing! :)  If you use the MB recommended tire size for those rims,
> everything should be the same diameter.  I don't remember what the size
> is, but I'll try to remember to go look on my car tonight.  You can
> always double check the tire size on that tire calculator to make sure
> it will be the same.
>
> John
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Re: [MBZ] google can't find this address

[Bill]

I realize it is pretty settled at this point, but TomTom also says the
street numbers are too low, and does not have that exact name for a street.
BillR 

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On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:58 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] google can't find this address

no, i know who you are.

lot's of people place large orders on stolen credit cards.  the orders
generally make little sense and nearly always request overnight shipping.
the email addresses are almost always either yahoo or hotmail addresses.  so
someone with a hotmail address orders 20 brake rotors shipped overnight and
you know it is a scam.  so you try their "phone number" and discover that
you can't get anyone or it is inoperative.

we are not quite dealing with master criminals here and detection is not at
all difficult in most cases

On Nov 16, 2007 2:31 PM, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Gary Hurst wrote:
> > i once had a guy place a large overnight order going to a trailer park.
> > when i emailed him about this, he explained that he needed it for his
> retail
> > auto parts store.  now we know we are dealing with nonsense, but we
> finish
> > by asking him if it is being sent to the "store" and would like to know
> more
> > about the "store" to see if he might qualify for any further discounts.
>  he
> > falls apart some more at this point and then goes away.
> >
> > so it matters to me whether i'm going to a farm, a mansion, a hillbilly
> > shack.  i don't like any sort of additional surprises when conducting
> any
> > sort of business.
>
> So were you expecting him to not pay or charge back?
>
> Maybe my definition of large is different than yours... if large is >$5k
> or something than I'd probably change my tune.  I think the largest
> order I've put in is $1500...   so do you know what my house looks like?
> ;)
>
> John
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Re: [MBZ] google can't find this address

[Gary Hurst]

no, i know who you are.

lot's of people place large orders on stolen credit cards.  the orders
generally make little sense and nearly always request overnight shipping.
the email addresses are almost always either yahoo or hotmail addresses.  so
someone with a hotmail address orders 20 brake rotors shipped overnight and
you know it is a scam.  so you try their "phone number" and discover that
you can't get anyone or it is inoperative.

we are not quite dealing with master criminals here and detection is not at
all difficult in most cases

On Nov 16, 2007 2:31 PM, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Gary Hurst wrote:
> > i once had a guy place a large overnight order going to a trailer park.
> > when i emailed him about this, he explained that he needed it for his
> retail
> > auto parts store.  now we know we are dealing with nonsense, but we
> finish
> > by asking him if it is being sent to the "store" and would like to know
> more
> > about the "store" to see if he might qualify for any further discounts.
>  he
> > falls apart some more at this point and then goes away.
> >
> > so it matters to me whether i'm going to a farm, a mansion, a hillbilly
> > shack.  i don't like any sort of additional surprises when conducting
> any
> > sort of business.
>
> So were you expecting him to not pay or charge back?
>
> Maybe my definition of large is different than yours... if large is >$5k
> or something than I'd probably change my tune.  I think the largest
> order I've put in is $1500...   so do you know what my house looks like?
> ;)
>
> John
>
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[MBZ] this is a really nice looking car . . .

[Donald Snook]

With really ugly wheels. 

 

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Re: [MBZ] jabba considers adding a second dog

[Zoltan Finks]

Yep, that's a whole nuther subject too. You don't want your dog going
up against a cop.

Brian

On 11/16/07, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Zoltan Finks wrote:
> >
> > I was just thinking of the unfortunate reality surrounding peoples'
> > freaking out if a dog dares nip anyone.
>
> http://www.nbc10.com/news/14587595/detail.html
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[MBZ] Honda fuel cell car

[RELNGSON]

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Re: [MBZ] 1972 W114 with 300D engine

[Kaleb C. Striplin, work]

Everyone says theres was the last year mb built them by hand.

---
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- Original Message - 
From: "Kevin Kraly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 4:12 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 1972 W114 with 300D engine


> This one sounds quite interesting.
>
> http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/480014201.html
>
> If I was having the conversion done, I think that I would have put a turbo
> Diesel into it.
>
> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
> 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - 6.2 diesel suburban gotchas

[EDWARD DENNIS]

Hi,
  1990 Suburban 6.2 na 3.73 gears 31x10.50x15 tires 4x4 253k 15mpg city or 
towing 3000 lb. boat 17-19 mpg highway empty. Original injectors. Pump at 100k.
  Ed in Chicago

Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  My 87 K30 crew cab dually that I just got running looks like it's getting
in the neighborhood of 17 mpg or so. TH400, no overdrive, 4x4, dually, with
what feels like 4.10 gears.

Sad thing is that's about the mileage of the 05 dodge crew cab dually 4x4,
with a cummins, six speed manual, and 3.73s. 

Granted the cummins has almost twice the torque of the 6.2.

The 6.2 was quite a fuel efficient engine for what it was. 

On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 10:45:22AM -0600, R A Bennell wrote:
> What sort of fuel mileage can one expect from such a beast? I have often been 
> tempted but have not yet bought one.
> I wonder if it would be significantly better than a gas engine in a similar 
> truck?

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Re: [MBZ] jabba considers adding a second dog

[ernest breakfield]

i understand; with family ranging from VA and SC to TX and FL, i'm 
familiar with how dogs are integrated into the society. (personally, our 
11 yr-old rescue pup is considered our 'kid', and expected and welcome 
in most any of our family homes for any of our functions. respectfully, 
i know better than ever underestimate a Southern Mans bond with a dog.)
oddly enough, it's probably not the PWT you have to worry about; as 
you point out, they probably know dogs better than to get in trouble 
with one... it's the not-so-poor  Trash that 
seems to tend more to get litigious.


cheers!
e


Gary Hurst wrote:
> in the rural deep south, the dog tends to be integrated into the 
> community.  poor white trash is most fond of the dog and the dog most 
> fond of him.  perhaps i have been overly influenced by this outlook.
>
> On Nov 16, 2007 12:23 PM, ernest breakfield 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
>
> Gary,
>
>i hope you didn't also choose to ignore the reality, too; we'd like
> to see you around and happily in biz* for a while yet!   ;-)
>
>
> cheers!
> e
>
> (* for your own benefit, not because you're trying to pay off some
> liability judgment.)
>
>
> Gary Hurst wrote:
> > he's being sarcastic to rebut my "dogs aren't really all that
> dangerous by
> > nature" idea.
> >
> > i just didn't choose to continue the debate.
> >
> > On Nov 16, 2007 10:07 AM, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:44:05 -0800 "Zoltan Finks"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Cool. I was wondering about that. I've been wanting to meet this
> >>> German Shepherd I see in this yard that barks a lot but looks so
> >>> lonely. I think I'll just go ahead and pet him like I've been
> wanting
> >>> to. Thanks Gary.
> >>>
> >> Ummm ... that's probably not a good idea, unless you're VERY
> careful.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Craignz.com
> 
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1972 W114 with 300D engine

[Mitch Haley]

"Kaleb C. Striplin, work" wrote:
> 
> Everyone says theres was the last year mb built them by hand.

"1972 was the last year Mercedes built their cars by hand"
--Doesn't mean a W114 was built by hand, I believe 1972 (last year
for MBUSA to sell outdated W108) was the last year to get a hand
built S car.

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[MBZ] 1972 W114 with 300D engine

[Kevin Kraly]

This one sounds quite interesting.

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/480014201.html

If I was having the conversion done, I think that I would have put a turbo 
Diesel into it.

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula 


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Re: [MBZ] OT - 6.2 diesel suburban gotchas

[R A Bennell]

Not bad at all. Better than my F150 which is averaging about 13.5 m/usg.
Also better than my old 86 Suburban that averaged about 12 m /usg.

Randy

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of EDWARD DENNIS
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 4:22 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - 6.2 diesel suburban gotchas


Hi,
  1990 Suburban 6.2 na 3.73 gears 31x10.50x15 tires 4x4 253k 15mpg city or 
towing 3000 lb. boat 17-19 mpg highway
empty. Original injectors. Pump at 100k.
  Ed in Chicago

Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  My 87 K30 crew cab dually that I just got running looks like it's getting
in the neighborhood of 17 mpg or so. TH400, no overdrive, 4x4, dually, with
what feels like 4.10 gears.

Sad thing is that's about the mileage of the 05 dodge crew cab dually 4x4,
with a cummins, six speed manual, and 3.73s.

Granted the cummins has almost twice the torque of the 6.2.

The 6.2 was quite a fuel efficient engine for what it was.

On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 10:45:22AM -0600, R A Bennell wrote:
> What sort of fuel mileage can one expect from such a beast? I have often been 
> tempted but have not yet bought
one.
> I wonder if it would be significantly better than a gas engine in a similar 
> truck?

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel bulletproofness

[EDWARD DENNIS]

Hi.
  I read in car and drivel (NO MISPRINT) $30k a year to maintain an Lambo... 
class car if you use it 5k hard miles a year! Or if you are in the NBA.
Ed In Chicago
LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  You;re right - there are people out there who spend $40k for a car and 
figutre it shouldn;t need anymore money fed to it when it costs that much! 
I actually had a car owner tell me that when he called looking for 
sheepskins IIRC. We got to talking and I mentioned the importance of 
changing oil and filter - to which he replied, "I paid $83000 for this 
500SEL (or similar) and I never open the hood. At $80+K it should never 
need anything!" and he was serious!

I liked what Tom said (I think it was Tom) who puts much of his scrutiny on 
the interior - and if the dog chewed on it, the mechanical stuff was 
probably trashed also - or something similar -

That's a very good way to look a used cars condition --

Later -

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From: "Zoltan Finks" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:07 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Diesel bulletproofness


>I always wonder about this too when I hear of diesel Benzes with new
> engines at 100 -something thousand miles.
>
> I think that diesel engines are tougher and do in fact last longer
> than gassers, but I think that they do not have invulnerability to
> poor maintenance. How vulnerable they are compared to gassers, I do
> not know.
>
> Hearing tales of MB diesel longevity is what drew me to the breed. But
> I, at first, was too charmed by the positive I heard, and not aware
> enough of the negative.
>
> I know that our 83 240D had its engine die at about 120k. The cause, I
> think, was poor maintenance of the cooling system. It died very
> shortly after we bought the car. The radiator was quite rusty and I
> believe a cylinder wound up with rust in it. Head gasket one would
> assume, but perhaps cracked head? It is quite common in AZ for people
> to run straight water in the cooling system of their cars.
>
> Brian
>
> Ed wrote:
> Only
> thing, I keep hearing all these stories about how long lived diesels are 
> and
> then see many with engine rebuilds at less than 400,000 kms. Nothing 
> wrong
> with a rebuild engine, but makes me question the premium often asked for 
> old
> diesels? I have over 350,000kms on my gasser now, and it's all original.
> Engine is strong and trans shifts well, so I do question the whole, 
> "diesels
> go forever thing".
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Re: [MBZ] jabba considers adding a second dog

[ernest breakfield]

Good Dog!
very sad; dog was doing its job. too bad the idiot who wasn't 
supposed to be in its yard had a badge and a gun!

makes me wonder though; after being around Belgian Malinois dogs 
(similar in temperament and sharing a common base with the Belgian 
Sheepdogs) for some time and knowing how good their aptitude for Good 
Guy/Bad Guy is (one of the reasons you're seeing them more often now 
replacing GSDs as Police and SAR dogs), i have to think there was 
something even more wrong about that cop than appears on the surface in 
this story. i know ours is a total sweetheart to most people, but around 
the wrong person or someone in 'her' space, she's All Business.


cheers!
e


Mitch Haley wrote:
> Zoltan Finks wrote:
>   
>> I was just thinking of the unfortunate reality surrounding peoples'
>> freaking out if a dog dares nip anyone.
>> 
>
> http://www.nbc10.com/news/14587595/detail.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT - 6.2 diesel suburban gotchas

[EDWARD DENNIS]

HI,
  700r4 overdrive towing at 60 plus mph. not over 70 much.
  Clean air filter a must and turbo mufflers on dual 2" pipes.
  I stay 100 feet back from the right Box trucks.
   
  Ed in Chicago

R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Not bad at all. Better than my F150 which is averaging about 13.5 m/usg.
Also better than my old 86 Suburban that averaged about 12 m /usg.

Randy

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - 6.2 diesel suburban gotchas


Hi,
1990 Suburban 6.2 na 3.73 gears 31x10.50x15 tires 4x4 253k 15mpg city or towing 
3000 lb. boat 17-19 mpg highway
empty. Original injectors. Pump at 100k.
Ed in Chicago

Kevin wrote:
My 87 K30 crew cab dually that I just got running looks like it's getting
in the neighborhood of 17 mpg or so. TH400, no overdrive, 4x4, dually, with
what feels like 4.10 gears.

Sad thing is that's about the mileage of the 05 dodge crew cab dually 4x4,
with a cummins, six speed manual, and 3.73s.

Granted the cummins has almost twice the torque of the 6.2.

The 6.2 was quite a fuel efficient engine for what it was.

On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 10:45:22AM -0600, R A Bennell wrote:
> What sort of fuel mileage can one expect from such a beast? I have often been 
> tempted but have not yet bought
one.
> I wonder if it would be significantly better than a gas engine in a similar 
> truck?

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Re: [MBZ] jabba considers adding a second dog

[Timothy Robinson]

I don't consider myself "PWT" but I'm "awful fond of my dawgs." I quit
showing dogs years ago and now rather than look at papers and pedigree, I'm
more often influenced by "kill date" at the pound.. Last two dogs I simply
sat on the floor at the shelter and "bonded."

Just like I use intuition when I purchase a piano and to some extent a car,
if you're a "dog person" you'll be able to tell if it's right.

Litigious people? I was told years ago not to put a "beware of dog" sign up
for that suggests liability. The only place I have a warning sign "Beware of
Dog" is the property where I don't HAVE a dog.

 From on 11/16/07 5:31 PM, ernest breakfield at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> i understand; with family ranging from VA and SC to TX and FL, i'm
> familiar with how dogs are integrated into the society. (personally, our
> 11 yr-old rescue pup is considered our 'kid', and expected and welcome
> in most any of our family homes for any of our functions. respectfully,
> i know better than ever underestimate a Southern Mans bond with a dog.)
> oddly enough, it's probably not the PWT you have to worry about; as
> you point out, they probably know dogs better than to get in trouble
> with one... it's the not-so-poor  Trash that
> seems to tend more to get litigious.
> 
> 
> cheers!
> e
> 
> 
> Gary Hurst wrote:
>> in the rural deep south, the dog tends to be integrated into the
>> community.  poor white trash is most fond of the dog and the dog most
>> fond of him.  perhaps i have been overly influenced by this outlook.
>> 
>> On Nov 16, 2007 12:23 PM, ernest breakfield
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> Gary,
>> 
>> i hope you didn't also choose to ignore the reality, too; we'd like
>> to see you around and happily in biz* for a while yet!   ;-)
>> 
>> 
>> cheers!
>> e
>> 
>> (* for your own benefit, not because you're trying to pay off some
>> liability judgment.)
>> 
>> 
>> Gary Hurst wrote:
>>> he's being sarcastic to rebut my "dogs aren't really all that
>> dangerous by
>>> nature" idea.
>>> 
>>> i just didn't choose to continue the debate.
>>> 
>>> On Nov 16, 2007 10:07 AM, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:44:05 -0800 "Zoltan Finks"
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
 
 
> Cool. I was wondering about that. I've been wanting to meet this
> German Shepherd I see in this yard that barks a lot but looks so
> lonely. I think I'll just go ahead and pet him like I've been
>> wanting
> to. Thanks Gary.
> 
 Ummm ... that's probably not a good idea, unless you're VERY
>> careful.
 
 
 
 Craignz.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] jabba considers adding a second dog

[Zoltan Finks]

Malinois really are becoming more common, seems to me, than GSDs in
cop and military use. I think the only thing a GSD has over them in
police work is size which is largely for intimidation purposes. A
Malinois would pack plenty of punch, though I suppose a large
determined man, especially on drugs, could carry it along attached to
his arm and continue to fight or run.

I like to think that a Malinois is a German Shepherd with a Doberman
speed and craziness. They have this crazed look to their face and just
look nuts.

And your'e right the Belgian Sheepdog is a close cousin, so to speak,
as are the Belgian Tervuren and the Laekenois.

But I am pontificating now.

Brian

On 11/16/07, ernest breakfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Good Dog!
> very sad; dog was doing its job. too bad the idiot who wasn't
> supposed to be in its yard had a badge and a gun!
>
> makes me wonder though; after being around Belgian Malinois dogs
> (similar in temperament and sharing a common base with the Belgian
> Sheepdogs) for some time and knowing how good their aptitude for Good
> Guy/Bad Guy is (one of the reasons you're seeing them more often now
> replacing GSDs as Police and SAR dogs), i have to think there was
> something even more wrong about that cop than appears on the surface in
> this story. i know ours is a total sweetheart to most people, but around
> the wrong person or someone in 'her' space, she's All Business.
>
>
> cheers!
> e
>
>
> Mitch Haley wrote:
> > Zoltan Finks wrote:
> >
> >> I was just thinking of the unfortunate reality surrounding peoples'
> >> freaking out if a dog dares nip anyone.
> >>
> >
> > http://www.nbc10.com/news/14587595/detail.html
> >
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[MBZ] I wish I had $5500 right now!

[Kevin Kraly]

If this ad is legit, this is probably already gone.

http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/car/481022020.html

How often do you see a one owner 1987 300SDL with only 98K miles for only 
$5500?  It would be better than buying a new one!

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
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Re: [MBZ] Thermostat Change 190D and Search Engine in Archives

[Allan Streib]

On Nov 16, 2007, at 1:32 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote:

> So when most of you guys order parts from Rusty, do you simply call
> him up and have him find the correct part for you, almost as if you
> were walking up to the counter at a parts house?

I tend to use email, but yes.  I order from the web site when I know  
exactly what I want (like oil filters, etc).

Incidentally, on the original topic of the thread, I think that the  
cooling system on a Mercedes is a little more sophisticated than one  
one on a (for example) Chevy, and therefore you should use THE  
thermostat that is specified for your car and not play around with  
hotter or cooler ones if you can even find them.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Thermostat Change 190D and Search Engine in Archives

[Peter Frederick]

I would add that you should not expect a cheapo aftermarket and McParts 
to work, either.  I learned that with my Audi Fox in the 70's -- 
anything but a Behr or other German one didn't work, as they didn't 
have the flap on the back to close off the bypass, or they had a huge 
"bleed hole" drilled in them and I had no heat.

Peter


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[MBZ] picked up the german shepherd dog tonight

[Gary Hurst]

only 3 fights so far tonight, so i'd say things are going well

it's pretty much what i expected.  everything was great until the new dog
and the old dog were brought into the house and an attempt was made to feed
them.  old dog didn't seem to like the idea that the new dog should also get
to eat. the new dog, though, was pretty hungry.  that triggered some action
but they aren't fighting dogs as i was able to step between them like a
boxing referee and didn't even get scratched.

it is weird how being in the house changes so much.  they got along fine in
the old owner's house, in the car coming home, at the burger king where we
got snacks for everyone, on my front lawn.  but the second we got inside to
the food bowls, it all went to hell.

now abby (the kid) has them both in her bed.  maybe it will last the night
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Re: [MBZ] Weird vacuum problem

[Andrew Cunningham]

Is there a procedure on the MB CD that goes over how to replace the check
valve or can a second one be plumbed in to take over the function?

Andy

On Oct 27, 2007 2:41 PM, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> OK thanks y'all  -- lunchtime pondering got me thinking the same thing,
> so now I guess I gotta get the vac pump off.  I might try a little
> solvent in there first to see if the check valves are goobered up, see
> if that cleans them out without having to dismantle it again.
>
> --R
>
> LarryT wrote:
> > When a booster fails, the pedal goes near the floor and must be pushed
> > *really* hard to get the car to stop.  BTDT.I vote for the check
> valve -
> >
> > Good luck -
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] picked up the german shepherd dog tonight

[Hendrik & Fay]

Did the doggies get junk at burger king (although we call it Hungry 
Jacks over here) or did they once again have to sit in the car and watch 
the humans consume grease burgers?

Gary Hurst wrote:
> h.  they got along fine in
> the old owner's house, in the car coming home, at the burger king where we
> got snacks for everyone, on my front lawn.  but the second we got inside to
> the food bowls, it all went to hell.
>
>
>   

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Re: [MBZ] picked up the german shepherd dog tonight

[Gary Hurst]

it was all junk and the dogs each got small shares.  no fighting.  no
argument.  everybody was happy.

so i felt safe to try it at home with the food bowls.

i figure i'll keep them separated for the night and try again in the morning

the shepherd is as mellow as can be and would be happy to let the older dog
be dominant, but the older dog seems insecure about the situation so she has
shown some aggression.

this isn't very bright as the shepherd would probably tear the old dog to
bits in a real fight, but it's hard to get the logic across to a canine.

it isn't bad at all though for a first evening together, especially given
what i've read on the internet about problems introducing new dogs into the
home.  i'm sure old mexican cesar would have had this all sorted out in 10
minutes, but i ask to be given a few days on account of my lack of skills in
this area.

cats hiss at each other maniacally for like 3 to 5 days and then start
licking each other's butts.  i presume it will be similar between dogs.

any advice is appreciated.  i go to bed now.



On Nov 16, 2007 10:08 PM, Hendrik & Fay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Did the doggies get junk at burger king (although we call it Hungry
> Jacks over here) or did they once again have to sit in the car and watch
> the humans consume grease burgers?
>
> Gary Hurst wrote:
> > h.  they got along fine in
> > the old owner's house, in the car coming home, at the burger king where
> we
> > got snacks for everyone, on my front lawn.  but the second we got inside
> to
> > the food bowls, it all went to hell.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] google can't find this address

[Gary Hurst]

the street and its houses date to 2003, but the map people haven't gotten
around to it yet, i suppose.  strange, strange block.  small modern ranch
houses each on 5 acre lots.  absolutely out in the middle of nowhere.  on a
paved road, but you have to take a dirt road to get there.  mostly serious
chicken and beef agriculture all around and big mansions.  not really all
that near any town.

about 60 miles from me.  took about an hour and fifteen minutes.

On Nov 16, 2007 4:24 PM, Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I realize it is pretty settled at this point, but TomTom also says the
> street numbers are too low, and does not have that exact name for a
> street.
> BillR
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:58 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] google can't find this address
>
> no, i know who you are.
>
> lot's of people place large orders on stolen credit cards.  the orders
> generally make little sense and nearly always request overnight shipping.
> the email addresses are almost always either yahoo or hotmail addresses.
>  so
> someone with a hotmail address orders 20 brake rotors shipped overnight
> and
> you know it is a scam.  so you try their "phone number" and discover that
> you can't get anyone or it is inoperative.
>
> we are not quite dealing with master criminals here and detection is not
> at
> all difficult in most cases
>
> On Nov 16, 2007 2:31 PM, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Gary Hurst wrote:
> > > i once had a guy place a large overnight order going to a trailer
> park.
> > > when i emailed him about this, he explained that he needed it for his
> > retail
> > > auto parts store.  now we know we are dealing with nonsense, but we
> > finish
> > > by asking him if it is being sent to the "store" and would like to
> know
> > more
> > > about the "store" to see if he might qualify for any further
> discounts.
> >  he
> > > falls apart some more at this point and then goes away.
> > >
> > > so it matters to me whether i'm going to a farm, a mansion, a
> hillbilly
> > > shack.  i don't like any sort of additional surprises when conducting
> > any
> > > sort of business.
> >
> > So were you expecting him to not pay or charge back?
> >
> > Maybe my definition of large is different than yours... if large is >$5k
> > or something than I'd probably change my tune.  I think the largest
> > order I've put in is $1500...   so do you know what my house looks like?
> > ;)
> >
> > John
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] picked up the german shepherd dog tonight

[Robert Rentfro]

Hursty filled us in:

"hiss at each other maniacally for like 3 to 5 days and then start licking
each other's butts."

Sounds like a description of many workplaces.

Bob R.



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Re: [MBZ] 1972 W114 with 300D engine

[Redghost]

I am wondering why he is so proud of getting to 65mph.  Gump likes to  
go near that, but much prefers 70-75 for cruising and topping out for  
a few minutes at 85mph.

Would the transmission be the limiting factor?  I would assume a 75  
300D was able to do better than 85, so why would this car have issue  
with higher speeds than 65?

clay



On 16 Nov 2007, at 14:12, Kevin Kraly wrote:

> This one sounds quite interesting.
>
> http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/480014201.html
>
> If I was having the conversion done, I think that I would have put  
> a turbo
> Diesel into it.
>
> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
> 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula
>
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Re: [MBZ] picked up the german shepherd dog tonight

[Redghost]

There is a pecking order Gary!  Watching chickens figure out who is  
going to be where on the pecking pole is not the same as dogs  
though.  A dog is part of the family, not the same with chickens who  
have a flock mentality and the alpha human is the rooster, so no  
quibbles.

Your original dog is not going to make an issue out of what goes on  
outside of her sphere of power.  Yard is probably fine, the car? She  
could give a rat's rear about.  The other guys house, is not her  
domain, and she is lowest mutt on the line.  But her house and eating  
area is where she is queen and ain't no new other dog allowed to mess  
with that reality.  The new dog know that and accepts that he is the  
intruder and must work up the ranks to beta dog.  I would hope that  
you are the alpha dog and all know it.

I am guessing that moving the new dog into your room will enforce  
that the old dog is no longer alpha bitch and is now beta or lower in  
your eyes.  it also elevated the new dog without there being  
agreement between them as to just where he fits.  He would readily  
accept that she is in charge, though old, and quickly take his place  
in the pack.

The "fight" they have had is not blood and guts, it is her telling  
him where he stands, he telling her what he thinks his position  
should be and defending that.  Negotiations.  She knows darn well he  
will rip her throat out is he wants, but he does not and she needed  
to tell him that joint feedings in her house are not the norm and she  
does not like the idea.

My $0.02 and worth half that on a good day with older pennies

clay




On 16 Nov 2007, at 19:20, Gary Hurst wrote:

> it was all junk and the dogs each got small shares.  no fighting.  no
> argument.  everybody was happy.
>
> so i felt safe to try it at home with the food bowls.
>
> i figure i'll keep them separated for the night and try again in  
> the morning
>
> the shepherd is as mellow as can be and would be happy to let the  
> older dog
> be dominant, but the older dog seems insecure about the situation  
> so she has
> shown some aggression.
>
> this isn't very bright as the shepherd would probably tear the old  
> dog to
> bits in a real fight, but it's hard to get the logic across to a  
> canine.
>
> it isn't bad at all though for a first evening together, especially  
> given
> what i've read on the internet about problems introducing new dogs  
> into the
> home.  i'm sure old mexican cesar would have had this all sorted  
> out in 10
> minutes, but i ask to be given a few days on account of my lack of  
> skills in
> this area.
>
> cats hiss at each other maniacally for like 3 to 5 days and then start
> licking each other's butts.  i presume it will be similar between  
> dogs.
>
> any advice is appreciated.  i go to bed now.
>
>
>
> On Nov 16, 2007 10:08 PM, Hendrik & Fay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
>
>> Did the doggies get junk at burger king (although we call it Hungry
>> Jacks over here) or did they once again have to sit in the car and  
>> watch
>> the humans consume grease burgers?
>>
>> Gary Hurst wrote:
>>> h.  they got along fine in
>>> the old owner's house, in the car coming home, at the burger king  
>>> where
>> we
>>> got snacks for everyone, on my front lawn.  but the second we got  
>>> inside
>> to
>>> the food bowls, it all went to hell.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[MBZ] Mike Rowe BioD

[Redghost]

http://tinyurl.com/2t3g7x

For those considering Dr. Dan's reactor.  Or maybe you just want to  
have a better idea how it gets made.

clay

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Re: [MBZ] picked up the german shepherd dog tonight

[Timothy Robinson]

Agree with Clay with the addition:

Dogs are "pack" animals. Socialization and "learning the order" takes a
little time but is a natural thing. I always trained a dog by placing it in
a submissive position, letting him know I was "head of the pack" then
rewarding him to re-enforce proper behavior. The most effective discipline
was to exclude the dog from "the pack" (family being part of that pack).

Too many dogs wind up in shelters because they were never trained what
behavior is unacceptable.

on 11/17/07 1:16 AM, Redghost at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> There is a pecking order Gary!  Watching chickens figure out who is
> going to be where on the pecking pole is not the same as dogs
> though.  A dog is part of the family, not the same with chickens who
> have a flock mentality and the alpha human is the rooster, so no
> quibbles.
> 
> Your original dog is not going to make an issue out of what goes on
> outside of her sphere of power.  Yard is probably fine, the car? She
> could give a rat's rear about.  The other guys house, is not her
> domain, and she is lowest mutt on the line.  But her house and eating
> area is where she is queen and ain't no new other dog allowed to mess
> with that reality.  The new dog know that and accepts that he is the
> intruder and must work up the ranks to beta dog.  I would hope that
> you are the alpha dog and all know it.
> 
> I am guessing that moving the new dog into your room will enforce
> that the old dog is no longer alpha bitch and is now beta or lower in
> your eyes.  it also elevated the new dog without there being
> agreement between them as to just where he fits.  He would readily
> accept that she is in charge, though old, and quickly take his place
> in the pack.
> 
> The "fight" they have had is not blood and guts, it is her telling
> him where he stands, he telling her what he thinks his position
> should be and defending that.  Negotiations.  She knows darn well he
> will rip her throat out is he wants, but he does not and she needed
> to tell him that joint feedings in her house are not the norm and she
> does not like the idea.
> 
> My $0.02 and worth half that on a good day with older pennies
> 
> clay
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 16 Nov 2007, at 19:20, Gary Hurst wrote:
> 
>> it was all junk and the dogs each got small shares.  no fighting.  no
>> argument.  everybody was happy.
>> 
>> so i felt safe to try it at home with the food bowls.
>> 
>> i figure i'll keep them separated for the night and try again in
>> the morning
>> 
>> the shepherd is as mellow as can be and would be happy to let the
>> older dog
>> be dominant, but the older dog seems insecure about the situation
>> so she has
>> shown some aggression.
>> 
>> this isn't very bright as the shepherd would probably tear the old
>> dog to
>> bits in a real fight, but it's hard to get the logic across to a
>> canine.
>> 
>> it isn't bad at all though for a first evening together, especially
>> given
>> what i've read on the internet about problems introducing new dogs
>> into the
>> home.  i'm sure old mexican cesar would have had this all sorted
>> out in 10
>> minutes, but i ask to be given a few days on account of my lack of
>> skills in
>> this area.
>> 
>> cats hiss at each other maniacally for like 3 to 5 days and then start
>> licking each other's butts.  i presume it will be similar between
>> dogs.
>> 
>> any advice is appreciated.  i go to bed now.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 16, 2007 10:08 PM, Hendrik & Fay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Did the doggies get junk at burger king (although we call it Hungry
>>> Jacks over here) or did they once again have to sit in the car and
>>> watch
>>> the humans consume grease burgers?
>>> 
>>> Gary Hurst wrote:
 h.  they got along fine in
 the old owner's house, in the car coming home, at the burger king
 where
>>> we
 got snacks for everyone, on my front lawn.  but the second we got
 inside
>>> to
 the food bowls, it all went to hell.
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] picked up the german shepherd dog tonight

[Zoltan Finks]

Right, there is a pecking order. This is the most important tenet to
understand, and fortunately, most people have at least a basic
understanding of it.

Just to give you an idea of why I like talking about canine behavior:
I have competed in AKC obedience trials and have made it onto national
TV a few times doing tricks with my late Dobie Magnum. I tried to make
a go of full time dog training, but had trouble with the whole
marketing side of things. Making up flyers and business cards doesn't
help much - people need the kind of trust that comes from word of
mouth advertising. The reality of bills forced me back into the role
of working stiff.

I will try not to preach too much, but you are welcoming advice and I
want this new addition to go well for you and your family. I know you
don't care much to do a lot of training, and that's okay. Your family
just needs to train itself to follow a few rules. Here goes:

It is a problem when we try to create a particular pecking order that
the dogs don't agree with. I don't have enough info. to know what the
order is among your dogs, and likely you won't really know for some
weeks or months either. But you have to go with whatever order they
choose, not what seems right to us humans. They should work things out
and learn to live together, but there is no guarantee. Some pairings
just do not work well.

It sounds like both your dogs are female? Two females can have just as
big a dominance struggle as two males.

So, as I was saying, whichever dog boils to the top of the pack is
what it's going to be. Don't feel sorry for the lower dog and try to
right the order. You may want to feed the alpha dog first and the
other dog a bit later (but please feed them in separate locations,
preferably separated by a door). Try to make food as small an issue as
possible.

Confined spaces can trigger tension and fighting. Also, the alpha dog
will not be happy when the beta dog gets between her and you, and
won't like it when you give her attention. This could be a fight
trigger as well.

If you feel sorry for the under dog, don't try to set things right by
giving special priviledges to her. Don't take a toy from the alpha dog
and give it to the beta. Don't let the beta dog on the couch with you
in order to show her extra love. This will only exacerbate the tension
between them and cause the alpha to be all the harder on beta. If you
want to show some extra love for the under dog, try to do it out of
the sight of the alpha dog. Maybe take her in a room and let her on
your bed or something. I know this all seems pretty harsh and tragic,
but dogs are a lot tougher and more "matter of fact" than we are. I
don't think the lower members of a pack are sad about their role - the
submissive, sad-looking postures they adopt are just an inborn
instinct that facilitates the order that allows a pack to function.

Clay touched upon an important point: You (and truth told, all your
family) must be above every dog in your household. I realize that it's
difficult to get one's family to be consistent. But inconsistency can
ruin your chances of a successful integration. In my opinion,
inconsistent treatment of a dog is cruelty. Don't confuse the poor
thing. Each family member needs to be on board - this should be agreed
upon right away. Unfortunately, I have to say that some training is
really necessary to establish the humans as alpha. A domineering
presence alone is often not enough (and the more elegant members of
the house can't pull this off anyway).

So if you can just do a few basic things with the dog like

1. Making them wait before going through doorways or gates - you go
first, then you give them permission to go.

2. Just do the basic sit and lay down commands - lay down is an
especially good way to establish the dog's submission to you.

3. Teach the dog to fetch. Even if you don't like playing fetch with
your dog, do it. Because it is the best way to get the dog its much
needed exercise! You just have to stand or sit there and chuck
something and the dog runs her heart out. A tired dog is a good dog!!
This will also allow you to get her to master letting go of something
that she has in her mouth. Watch out, of course, for problems of
tension between the two dogs over the possession of the fetching
article.

4. A dog is almost always happier when it has some sort of "job" to
do. Teach her to carry grocery bags for you or something like that.
But this is down the road after you have progressed past some things.

I'll also add: when fights break out, you may want to try to grab the
*winning* dog by the hips and drag her away in that fashion. You can
also grab her by the tail if necessary. It won't hurt her. Do be ready
to release your grip should she whip around and try to bite you. Keep
your face away from the action. And do not reach toward the dog's
faces with your hands! Please tell this to all your family members.
Most times, though, the dog remains focused on their adversary as you
clu