[MBZ] W123 Starter

[B Dike]

Hello All,

My 82 300CD starter refuses to respond.  No click, nothing.  Battery is fine.  
Can the solenoid be replaced separately from the starter?  What other starter 
relays, fusable links, etc., might be at fault?

Thanks,

Bruce

82 300CD 358kmi 

85 300CD 268kmi

75 240D 202kmi Donner, still in the driveway.

77 240D 204kmi Blitzen seen last month on the road

74 240D 94kmi Bertha

73 220D Fnu Lnu


  
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Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year!

[Scott Ritchey]

I think it's called leadership.  Presidents also appoint supreme court
justices, negotiate treaties, and veto legislation on occasion.  Finally,
they appoint all those others that advise the president and run all the
executive departments.  I don't think Lincoln's main function was speech
making.  

-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year!

You have to ask yourself exactly what function the President has in our
country.

He is nothing more than a cheerleader -- keep the nation happy. He/(she)
wields no real power. Fly around the world meeting other powerless
figureheads. Make speeches. Make us feel like we are good folks doing good
in the world.

Bush/2 has broken the mold, or perhaps Chaney. He/they actually managed to
make a major impact on the world, in spite of the Legislative branch. And in
doing so, managed to create absolute chaos.

We shall hope that history does not repeat itself.

McCain is an honorable man. I really like him as a person. However, I fear
his speeches will lead us further down the troubled road in which we are
already mired.

Assuming my thesis is correct, then Obama is a much better speaker.

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:48 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Wonko the Sane wrote:
> > On whom would you like to bet your children's future?
>
> Neither of those turkeys, but at least we have adequate history to judge
> McLame
> by. I'm still astounded that somebody can sit down in the Senate in 2005
> and be
> a major party nominee for President in 2008 without accomplishing anything
> between.
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Re: [MBZ] TEST

[Chuck Landenberger]

What was the question?


On Jul 8, 2008, at 8:31 PM, SN wrote:

> TEST
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] More problems....Chain installation question?

[Archer]

From: "Peter Frederick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Use the one that slides on as the center link (although we have had
> to push the link through that one too) and the tigher one on the
> outside.
>
> They are supposed to fit tight.  If the tool presses them on, it's
> correct.  We usually use the pressed on but not crimped piece to draw
> the old chain through, press the link back out, install it in both
> ends of the new chain, and swage.
>
> Peter
__
Thanks, Peter.  Does the master link outside clip, the tighter one, fit 
easily in the recessed place for it in the tool?  The tool instructions from 
Performance Parts said the clip would be held in place magnetically, but I 
had to force the clip down into the recessed place with channel pliers and 
it did not bottom out.  The master link is an Iwis brand from Rusty, as is 
the chain.  The tool has an ST brand stamped on it.
I'm not sure I understand how you press the link back out after you draw the 
chain through.  I can understand how you can work the clip off the end by 
prizing it gently.
Gerry 


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Re: [MBZ] Chain installation question?

[Archer]

Thanks, Don.  I'm 'way too far out of practice to trying peening, so I 
rented a tool.  Couldn't find any clip on links for this chain.  Rusty 
didn't have any.
Gerry
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>I out the black one in the middle, and the sliver one on the outside,
> but not for any particular reason - just decided to do it that way. I
> guess it's easier to find the link later, shoudl you be so inclined.
> I've replaced four chains, and have never had an issue with them
> afterwards, using both the peening with a hammer kind and the snap-on
> clip type.


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Re: [MBZ] More problems....Chain installation question?

[Archer]

From: "John Robbins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> Archer wrote:
>> End of rant.
> 
> Times like these really make you want to own an "appliance" vehicle. 
> Then you get the car running again and 15 miles down the road that isn't 
> an option anymore.  :)
> John
-
Heh!  Heh!  Got too many appliances to keep running as it is.  (-:]
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] Crazy Wipers

[Craig McCluskey]

On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:16:36 -0400 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> As yous all know, it never rains in AZ. So as I'm driving through NM
> today it begins to rain.

What part?


> I then experienced the magic wipers. How cool are those? 

Magic wipers?


> I'm getting 28.3mpg with cruise set at 80. Not bad.

Driving what?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] why do all ebay and craigslist MB's get 45 mpg?

[Craig McCluskey]

On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 23:43:47 -0400 "Wonko the Sane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> My Quantum gets 45 mpg and is for sale. Angered me this evening so the
> price has dropped by $100. (stubborn door handle)

To what?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] this vista machine is a slow pos

[Gary Hurst]

yeah, if you like klebs jumpy screen vista look, i can do it

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 11:39 PM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yes.
>
> I will tell you how for $20.
>
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 11:22 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > and you can watch all the soccer matches P2P and otherwise and have it
> work
> > fine by that method?
> >
> > let me share with you the answer. um, no!
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > You can run XP within Linux. I do it on this computer.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:43 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > i just posted the reason why i need ot have xp.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:42 PM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Gary will eventually get smart and load Linux (distro of his
> choice)
> > on
> > > > > this
> > > > > POS -- as soon as he gets weary of bitching.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Allan Streib <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Vista is a trainwreck, but you can turn off the aqua and a
> bunch
> > of
> > > > > > > other stuff, and turn on the "classic" interface and optimize
> for
> > > > > > > performance.  Then you end up with basically a Windows 2000
> > machine
> > > > > > > with all the patches and SPs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I continue to believe that the Win2K Pro user experience was the
> > peak
> > > > > > of the Windows line.  Everything before or after is inferior.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Allan
> > > > > > --
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Re: [MBZ] why do all ebay and craigslist MB's get 45 mpg?

[Wonko the Sane]

My Quantum gets 45 mpg and is for sale. Angered me this evening so the price
has dropped by $100. (stubborn door handle)

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 8:59 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> 45 MPG 1979 300D Mercedes - $3000 (Keller)
> Reply to: see below
> Date: 2008-07-07, 5:34PM CDT
>
>
> Yes, it gets great gas mileage! I just put in a new A/C compressor but
> have not charged it up as yet so I'll include 7 cans of R12 (that's
> about $100 a can now). It has approximately 200K miles and still runs
> great! The only reason I'm selling? Wife says we have too many cars,
> this is our 3rd car I love tinkering with. Call me if interested
> 682-561-9562 Tim CASH ONLY
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Re: [MBZ] this vista machine is a slow pos

[Wonko the Sane]

Yes.

I will tell you how for $20.

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 11:22 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> and you can watch all the soccer matches P2P and otherwise and have it work
> fine by that method?
>
> let me share with you the answer. um, no!
>
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > You can run XP within Linux. I do it on this computer.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:43 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > i just posted the reason why i need ot have xp.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:42 PM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Gary will eventually get smart and load Linux (distro of his choice)
> on
> > > > this
> > > > POS -- as soon as he gets weary of bitching.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Vista is a trainwreck, but you can turn off the aqua and a bunch
> of
> > > > > > other stuff, and turn on the "classic" interface and optimize for
> > > > > > performance.  Then you end up with basically a Windows 2000
> machine
> > > > > > with all the patches and SPs.
> > > > >
> > > > > I continue to believe that the Win2K Pro user experience was the
> peak
> > > > > of the Windows line.  Everything before or after is inferior.
> > > > >
> > > > > Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year!

[Wonko the Sane]

Uh -- WHAT history? What organization has he managed? He managed a
fighter-training squadron in Pensacola (VF-124, I think) after his POW days,
where he was in charge of about 150 folks who were transitioning from flight
training to jets.

Unfortunately, I probably have more management experience than McCain -- and
I'd hardly think I was qualified to run a nation.

I fall back on what someone recently said -- getting your jet shot out of
the sky does not qualify you to be President. ... I went through the very
same flight training program in Pensacola as McCain. I flew in the same
squadron. He beat me to retirement by two ranks.

Would you want ME to be your President based on that experience?

Hell, Wilton retired at the same rank as McCain and had way more flight
hours (and time-over-target).

Shall we do a write-in for Wilton based on his experience?

D.


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> Wonko the Sane wrote:
> > On whom would you like to bet your children's future?
>
> Neither of those turkeys, but at least we have adequate history to judge
> McLame
> by.


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Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year!

[Wonko the Sane]

You have to ask yourself exactly what function the President has in our
country.

He is nothing more than a cheerleader -- keep the nation happy. He/(she)
wields no real power. Fly around the world meeting other powerless
figureheads. Make speeches. Make us feel like we are good folks doing good
in the world.

Bush/2 has broken the mold, or perhaps Chaney. He/they actually managed to
make a major impact on the world, in spite of the Legislative branch. And in
doing so, managed to create absolute chaos.

We shall hope that history does not repeat itself.

McCain is an honorable man. I really like him as a person. However, I fear
his speeches will lead us further down the troubled road in which we are
already mired.

Assuming my thesis is correct, then Obama is a much better speaker.

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:48 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Wonko the Sane wrote:
> > On whom would you like to bet your children's future?
>
> Neither of those turkeys, but at least we have adequate history to judge
> McLame
> by. I'm still astounded that somebody can sit down in the Senate in 2005
> and be
> a major party nominee for President in 2008 without accomplishing anything
> between.
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Re: [MBZ] this vista machine is a slow pos

[Gary Hurst]

and you can watch all the soccer matches P2P and otherwise and have it work
fine by that method?

let me share with you the answer. um, no!

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You can run XP within Linux. I do it on this computer.
>
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:43 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > i just posted the reason why i need ot have xp.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:42 PM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Gary will eventually get smart and load Linux (distro of his choice) on
> > > this
> > > POS -- as soon as he gets weary of bitching.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > >
> > > > > Vista is a trainwreck, but you can turn off the aqua and a bunch of
> > > > > other stuff, and turn on the "classic" interface and optimize for
> > > > > performance.  Then you end up with basically a Windows 2000 machine
> > > > > with all the patches and SPs.
> > > >
> > > > I continue to believe that the Win2K Pro user experience was the peak
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Re: [MBZ] this vista machine is a slow pos

[Wonko the Sane]

You can run XP within Linux. I do it on this computer.

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:43 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> i just posted the reason why i need ot have xp.
>
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:42 PM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Gary will eventually get smart and load Linux (distro of his choice) on
> > this
> > POS -- as soon as he gets weary of bitching.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > >
> > > > Vista is a trainwreck, but you can turn off the aqua and a bunch of
> > > > other stuff, and turn on the "classic" interface and optimize for
> > > > performance.  Then you end up with basically a Windows 2000 machine
> > > > with all the patches and SPs.
> > >
> > > I continue to believe that the Win2K Pro user experience was the peak
> > > of the Windows line.  Everything before or after is inferior.
> > >
> > > Allan
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Re: [MBZ] this vista machine is a slow pos

[TE]

Server2k3 is pretty stable... once its configured as a workstation.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Allan Streib
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 9:40 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] this vista machine is a slow pos

Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Vista is a trainwreck, but you can turn off the aqua and a bunch of 
> other stuff, and turn on the "classic" interface and optimize for 
> performance.  Then you end up with basically a Windows 2000 machine 
> with all the patches and SPs.

I continue to believe that the Win2K Pro user experience was the peak
of the Windows line.  Everything before or after is inferior.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year!

[Mitch Haley]

Wonko the Sane wrote:
> On whom would you like to bet your children's future?

Neither of those turkeys, but at least we have adequate history to judge McLame 
by. I'm still astounded that somebody can sit down in the Senate in 2005 and be 
a major party nominee for President in 2008 without accomplishing anything in 
between.

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Re: [MBZ] The joy of travel

[Allan Streib]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Well, having barely survived a trip to Charlotte NC from Seattle and
> return on American Airlines, I'm so damned fed up with the whole
> thing, I doubt if I will be taking any more airline trips for
> awhile.

They are among the worst, only to be outdone IMO by Continental.  I
flew an American MD-80 (originally a DC-9 I think) back from Texas
earlier this year, and it had jet fuel pouring out of the wing all the
way, as well as peeling paint and ratty upholstery.

Frontier was one I liked, too bad they are going out of business.

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Re: [MBZ] this vista machine is a slow pos

[Gary Hurst]

i just posted the reason why i need ot have xp.

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:42 PM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Gary will eventually get smart and load Linux (distro of his choice) on
> this
> POS -- as soon as he gets weary of bitching.
>
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > Vista is a trainwreck, but you can turn off the aqua and a bunch of
> > > other stuff, and turn on the "classic" interface and optimize for
> > > performance.  Then you end up with basically a Windows 2000 machine
> > > with all the patches and SPs.
> >
> > I continue to believe that the Win2K Pro user experience was the peak
> > of the Windows line.  Everything before or after is inferior.
> >
> > Allan
> > --
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> >
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Re: [MBZ] this vista machine is a slow pos

[Wonko the Sane]

Gary will eventually get smart and load Linux (distro of his choice) on this
POS -- as soon as he gets weary of bitching.

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Vista is a trainwreck, but you can turn off the aqua and a bunch of
> > other stuff, and turn on the "classic" interface and optimize for
> > performance.  Then you end up with basically a Windows 2000 machine
> > with all the patches and SPs.
>
> I continue to believe that the Win2K Pro user experience was the peak
> of the Windows line.  Everything before or after is inferior.
>
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year!

[Wonko the Sane]

Loren:

Isn't you son still of draft age?

Don

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:14 PM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I agree too, but would like to also point out that Osama Obama, as
> teddy called him, is a shifty young fart.  Bears careful Scrutiny.
>
> At 08:43 PM 7/8/2008, you wrote:
> >I agree -- McCain is a shifty old fart. Bears careful scrutiny.
> >
> >On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > OLD BUTCH
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > John was in the fertilized egg business. He had several hundred young
> > > layers
> > > (hens), called 'pullets,' and ten roosters to fertilize the eggs.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > He kept records, and any rooster not performing went into the soup pot
> and
> > > was replaced. This took a lot of time, so he bought some tiny bells and
> > > attached them to his roosters. Each bell had a different tone, so he
> could
> > > tell from a distance, which rooster was performing. Now, he could sit
> on
> > > the
> > > porch and fill out an efficiency report by just listening to the bells.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > John's favorite rooster, old Butch, was a very fine specimen, but this
> > > morning he noticed old Butch's bell hadn't rung at all! When he went to
> > > investigate, he saw the other roosters were busy chasing pullets,
> > > bells-a-ringing, but the pullets, hearing the roosters coming, could
> run
> > > for
> > > cover. To John's amazement, old Butch had his bell in his beak, so it
> > > couldn't ring. He'd sneak up on a pullet, do his job and walk on to the
> > > next
> > > one.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > John was so proud of old Butch, he entered him in the Renfrew County
> Fair
> > > and he became an overnight sensation among the judges. The result was
> the
> > > judges not only awarded old Butch the NoBellPiece Prize but they also
> > > awarded him the Pulletsurprise as well.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Clearly old Butch was a politician in the making. Who else but a
> politician
> > > could figure out how to win two of the most highly coveted awards on
> our
> > > planet by being the best at sneaking up on the populace and screwing
> them
> > > when they weren't paying attention.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > VOTE CAREFULLY THIS YEAR...THE BELLS ARE NOT ALWAYS AUDIBLE
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Tom Hargrave
> > >
> > > HYPERLINK "http://www.kegkits.com"www.kegkits.com
> > >
> > > 256-656-1924
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] this vista machine is a slow pos

[Allan Streib]

Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Vista is a trainwreck, but you can turn off the aqua and a bunch of 
> other stuff, and turn on the "classic" interface and optimize for 
> performance.  Then you end up with basically a Windows 2000 machine 
> with all the patches and SPs.

I continue to believe that the Win2K Pro user experience was the peak
of the Windows line.  Everything before or after is inferior.

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Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year!

[Wonko the Sane]

On whom would you like to bet your children's future?

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:14 PM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I agree too, but would like to also point out that Osama Obama, as
> teddy called him, is a shifty young fart.  Bears careful Scrutiny.
>
> At 08:43 PM 7/8/2008, you wrote:
> >I agree -- McCain is a shifty old fart. Bears careful scrutiny.
> >
> >On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > OLD BUTCH
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > John was in the fertilized egg business. He had several hundred young
> > > layers
> > > (hens), called 'pullets,' and ten roosters to fertilize the eggs.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > He kept records, and any rooster not performing went into the soup pot
> and
> > > was replaced. This took a lot of time, so he bought some tiny bells and
> > > attached them to his roosters. Each bell had a different tone, so he
> could
> > > tell from a distance, which rooster was performing. Now, he could sit
> on
> > > the
> > > porch and fill out an efficiency report by just listening to the bells.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > John's favorite rooster, old Butch, was a very fine specimen, but this
> > > morning he noticed old Butch's bell hadn't rung at all! When he went to
> > > investigate, he saw the other roosters were busy chasing pullets,
> > > bells-a-ringing, but the pullets, hearing the roosters coming, could
> run
> > > for
> > > cover. To John's amazement, old Butch had his bell in his beak, so it
> > > couldn't ring. He'd sneak up on a pullet, do his job and walk on to the
> > > next
> > > one.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > John was so proud of old Butch, he entered him in the Renfrew County
> Fair
> > > and he became an overnight sensation among the judges. The result was
> the
> > > judges not only awarded old Butch the NoBellPiece Prize but they also
> > > awarded him the Pulletsurprise as well.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Clearly old Butch was a politician in the making. Who else but a
> politician
> > > could figure out how to win two of the most highly coveted awards on
> our
> > > planet by being the best at sneaking up on the populace and screwing
> them
> > > when they weren't paying attention.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > VOTE CAREFULLY THIS YEAR...THE BELLS ARE NOT ALWAYS AUDIBLE
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Tom Hargrave
> > >
> > > HYPERLINK "http://www.kegkits.com"www.kegkits.com
> > >
> > > 256-656-1924
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > No virus found in this outgoing message.
> > > Checked by AVG.
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> 7/8/2008
> > > 6:33 AM
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Re: [MBZ] camper

[Steve MacSween]

on 7/8/08 20:51, Kaleb C. Striplin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/82-Mercedes-Benz-207D-diesel-camper-van-4-speed
> -manual_W0QQitemZ300240020421QQihZ020QQcategoryZ50058QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQ
> cmdZViewItem

I must be getting old. That looks really cool. Even with an OM616 (shudder).

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Re: [MBZ] this vista machine is a slow pos

[Gary Hurst]

http://usl.playonsports.tv/

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:01 PM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Just turn off all the vista crap and it will run like XP bubble gum
> (kiddie interface), but your drivers will be there.
>
> At 08:49 PM 7/8/2008, you wrote:
> >might have to try installing xp on this machine again.  When I did it
> >when I first got it, I know the display drivers and some other driver
> >was not there.
> >
> >Gary Hurst wrote:
> > > i'm running xp on core duo with 2 gig and it fast as lightning
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Yes, while the hardware is triple or quadruple what my old computer
> with
> > >> xp was, it seems to drag and run real slow.  Like when watching a
> > >> youtube video or something, it just studders and plays real slow.
> > >> Everything just moves slow.  Have tried turning off the vista theme,
> > >> didnt seem to help I dont think but may try it again.  The more and
> more
> > >> I th ink about it, the more I think um going to get my xp machine back
> > >> up and switch back to it.
> > >> --
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> > >>  89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
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> > >>  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year!

[Loren Faeth]

I agree too, but would like to also point out that Osama Obama, as 
teddy called him, is a shifty young fart.  Bears careful Scrutiny.

At 08:43 PM 7/8/2008, you wrote:
>I agree -- McCain is a shifty old fart. Bears careful scrutiny.
>
>On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > OLD BUTCH
> >
> >
> >
> > John was in the fertilized egg business. He had several hundred young
> > layers
> > (hens), called 'pullets,' and ten roosters to fertilize the eggs.
> >
> >
> >
> > He kept records, and any rooster not performing went into the soup pot and
> > was replaced. This took a lot of time, so he bought some tiny bells and
> > attached them to his roosters. Each bell had a different tone, so he could
> > tell from a distance, which rooster was performing. Now, he could sit on
> > the
> > porch and fill out an efficiency report by just listening to the bells.
> >
> >
> >
> > John's favorite rooster, old Butch, was a very fine specimen, but this
> > morning he noticed old Butch's bell hadn't rung at all! When he went to
> > investigate, he saw the other roosters were busy chasing pullets,
> > bells-a-ringing, but the pullets, hearing the roosters coming, could run
> > for
> > cover. To John's amazement, old Butch had his bell in his beak, so it
> > couldn't ring. He'd sneak up on a pullet, do his job and walk on to the
> > next
> > one.
> >
> >
> >
> > John was so proud of old Butch, he entered him in the Renfrew County Fair
> > and he became an overnight sensation among the judges. The result was the
> > judges not only awarded old Butch the NoBellPiece Prize but they also
> > awarded him the Pulletsurprise as well.
> >
> >
> >
> > Clearly old Butch was a politician in the making. Who else but a politician
> > could figure out how to win two of the most highly coveted awards on our
> > planet by being the best at sneaking up on the populace and screwing them
> > when they weren't paying attention.
> >
> >
> >
> > VOTE CAREFULLY THIS YEAR...THE BELLS ARE NOT ALWAYS AUDIBLE
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Tom Hargrave
> >
> > HYPERLINK "http://www.kegkits.com"www.kegkits.com
> >
> > 256-656-1924
> >
> >
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> >
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Re: [MBZ] The joy of travel

[LWB250]

Did you bother to check the nameplate as you went through the door?

I always stop and look at the tag to see the in-service date, and I don't go 
through until I find it.  It seems to irritate the cabin crew and unnerve the 
people behind me, who invariably ask what I am looking for and why.  My 
response?

"I like to see if the plane I'm flying on is older than me."

Heh.

Dan




--- On Tue, 7/8/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [MBZ] The joy of travel
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 10:20 PM
> Well, having barely survived a trip to Charlotte NC from
> Seattle and return 
> on American Airlines, I'm so damned fed up with the
> whole thing, I doubt if I 
> will be taking any more airline trips for awhile.
> 
> Giving credit where it is due, I am grateful that all four
> legs left on time 
> or early and my baggage didn't end up in Capetown. But
> as I staggered down the 
> jetway at 0540 and observed what looked like seventeen
> coats of paint on the 
> clapped-out MD-80 I was to be held prisoner in for a while,
> and then inside 
> seeing the shabby beat up interior and the 1/2 inch of knee
> room I had in seat 
> 14D, I thought that after this trip the airplane should be
> flown to 
> Davis-Monthan AFB and the crew hitchhike home.
> 
> I did enjoy the cracker and 1/2 cup of tepid water that was
> served.
> 
> To their credit, the cabin and flight crews did their best
> with what they had 
> to work with and didn't end up machine gunning the lot
> of us.
> 
> R
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] this vista machine is a slow pos

[Loren Faeth]

Just turn off all the vista crap and it will run like XP bubble gum 
(kiddie interface), but your drivers will be there.

At 08:49 PM 7/8/2008, you wrote:
>might have to try installing xp on this machine again.  When I did it
>when I first got it, I know the display drivers and some other driver
>was not there.
>
>Gary Hurst wrote:
> > i'm running xp on core duo with 2 gig and it fast as lightning
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, while the hardware is triple or quadruple what my old computer with
> >> xp was, it seems to drag and run real slow.  Like when watching a
> >> youtube video or something, it just studders and plays real slow.
> >> Everything just moves slow.  Have tried turning off the vista theme,
> >> didnt seem to help I dont think but may try it again.  The more and more
> >> I th ink about it, the more I think um going to get my xp machine back
> >> up and switch back to it.
> >> --
> >> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
> >>  94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL,
> >>  89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
> >>  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
> >>  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
> >> http://www.okiebenz.com
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> >
> >
> >
>
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>   94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL,
>   89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
>   84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>   76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
>http://www.okiebenz.com
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[MBZ] The joy of travel

[RELNGSON]

Well, having barely survived a trip to Charlotte NC from Seattle and return 
on American Airlines, I'm so damned fed up with the whole thing, I doubt if I 
will be taking any more airline trips for awhile.

Giving credit where it is due, I am grateful that all four legs left on time 
or early and my baggage didn't end up in Capetown. But as I staggered down the 
jetway at 0540 and observed what looked like seventeen coats of paint on the 
clapped-out MD-80 I was to be held prisoner in for a while, and then inside 
seeing the shabby beat up interior and the 1/2 inch of knee room I had in seat 
14D, I thought that after this trip the airplane should be flown to 
Davis-Monthan AFB and the crew hitchhike home.

I did enjoy the cracker and 1/2 cup of tepid water that was served.

To their credit, the cabin and flight crews did their best with what they had 
to work with and didn't end up machine gunning the lot of us.

R


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Re: [MBZ] this vista machine is a slow pos

[Loren Faeth]

Vista is a trainwreck, but you can turn off the aqua and a bunch of 
other stuff, and turn on the "classic" interface and optimize for 
performance.  Then you end up with basically a Windows 2000 machine 
with all the patches and SPs.  The other option is just to load XP 
and spend a day loading all the SPs and patches.

Try reading about "optimize for performance" in the help.  It should 
tell you how to do it.

Once you turn off the "aqua" fake macintosh interface, you pretty 
much have a xp machine , but less stable.
When you turn on the classic interface and optimize for performance 
you have the look and feel of Windows 2000, but at Mach speed.

At 08:38 PM 7/8/2008, you wrote:
>Yes, while the hardware is triple or quadruple what my old computer with
>xp was, it seems to drag and run real slow.  Like when watching a
>youtube video or something, it just studders and plays real slow.
>Everything just moves slow.  Have tried turning off the vista theme,
>didnt seem to help I dont think but may try it again.  The more and more
>I th ink about it, the more I think um going to get my xp machine back
>up and switch back to it.
>--
>Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>   94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL,
>   89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
>   84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>   76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
>http://www.okiebenz.com
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Re: [MBZ] this vista machine is a slow pos

[Wonko the Sane]

snicker

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 9:49 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> might have to try installing xp on this machine again.  When I did it
> when I first got it, I know the display drivers and some other driver
> was not there.
>
> Gary Hurst wrote:
> > i'm running xp on core duo with 2 gig and it fast as lightning
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, while the hardware is triple or quadruple what my old computer with
> >> xp was, it seems to drag and run real slow.  Like when watching a
> >> youtube video or something, it just studders and plays real slow.
> >> Everything just moves slow.  Have tried turning off the vista theme,
> >> didnt seem to help I dont think but may try it again.  The more and more
> >> I th ink about it, the more I think um going to get my xp machine back
> >> up and switch back to it.
> >> --
> >> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
> >>  94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL,
> >>  89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
> >>  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
> >>  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
> >> http://www.okiebenz.com
> >>
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> 7:50 PM
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>  94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL,
>  89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
>  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
> http://www.okiebenz.com
>
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Re: [MBZ] this vista machine is a slow pos

[Gary Hurst]

dude, unless you are a dead expert on this shit, you should have known to
never mess with vista.  wtf were you thinking?

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 9:49 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> might have to try installing xp on this machine again.  When I did it
> when I first got it, I know the display drivers and some other driver
> was not there.
>
> Gary Hurst wrote:
> > i'm running xp on core duo with 2 gig and it fast as lightning
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, while the hardware is triple or quadruple what my old computer with
> >> xp was, it seems to drag and run real slow.  Like when watching a
> >> youtube video or something, it just studders and plays real slow.
> >> Everything just moves slow.  Have tried turning off the vista theme,
> >> didnt seem to help I dont think but may try it again.  The more and more
> >> I th ink about it, the more I think um going to get my xp machine back
> >> up and switch back to it.
> >> --
> >> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
> >>  94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL,
> >>  89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
> >>  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
> >>  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
> >> http://www.okiebenz.com
> >>
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> 7:50 PM
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
>  Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>  94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL,
>  89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
>  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
> http://www.okiebenz.com
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Re: [MBZ] this vista machine is a slow pos

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

might have to try installing xp on this machine again.  When I did it 
when I first got it, I know the display drivers and some other driver 
was not there.

Gary Hurst wrote:
> i'm running xp on core duo with 2 gig and it fast as lightning
> 
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
>> Yes, while the hardware is triple or quadruple what my old computer with
>> xp was, it seems to drag and run real slow.  Like when watching a
>> youtube video or something, it just studders and plays real slow.
>> Everything just moves slow.  Have tried turning off the vista theme,
>> didnt seem to help I dont think but may try it again.  The more and more
>> I th ink about it, the more I think um going to get my xp machine back
>> up and switch back to it.
>> --
>> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>>  94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL,
>>  89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
>>  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>>  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>>
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  89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] camper

[Wonko the Sane]

I think that link was already posted by someone looking for a Benz van.

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 8:51 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/82-Mercedes-Benz-207D-diesel-camper-van-4-speed-manual_W0QQitemZ300240020421QQihZ020QQcategoryZ50058QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> --
> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>  94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL,
>  89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
>  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] this vista machine is a slow pos

[Gary Hurst]

i'm running xp on core duo with 2 gig and it fast as lightning

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Yes, while the hardware is triple or quadruple what my old computer with
> xp was, it seems to drag and run real slow.  Like when watching a
> youtube video or something, it just studders and plays real slow.
> Everything just moves slow.  Have tried turning off the vista theme,
> didnt seem to help I dont think but may try it again.  The more and more
> I th ink about it, the more I think um going to get my xp machine back
> up and switch back to it.
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Re: [MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year!

[Wonko the Sane]

I agree -- McCain is a shifty old fart. Bears careful scrutiny.

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> OLD BUTCH
>
>
>
> John was in the fertilized egg business. He had several hundred young
> layers
> (hens), called 'pullets,' and ten roosters to fertilize the eggs.
>
>
>
> He kept records, and any rooster not performing went into the soup pot and
> was replaced. This took a lot of time, so he bought some tiny bells and
> attached them to his roosters. Each bell had a different tone, so he could
> tell from a distance, which rooster was performing. Now, he could sit on
> the
> porch and fill out an efficiency report by just listening to the bells.
>
>
>
> John's favorite rooster, old Butch, was a very fine specimen, but this
> morning he noticed old Butch's bell hadn't rung at all! When he went to
> investigate, he saw the other roosters were busy chasing pullets,
> bells-a-ringing, but the pullets, hearing the roosters coming, could run
> for
> cover. To John's amazement, old Butch had his bell in his beak, so it
> couldn't ring. He'd sneak up on a pullet, do his job and walk on to the
> next
> one.
>
>
>
> John was so proud of old Butch, he entered him in the Renfrew County Fair
> and he became an overnight sensation among the judges. The result was the
> judges not only awarded old Butch the NoBellPiece Prize but they also
> awarded him the Pulletsurprise as well.
>
>
>
> Clearly old Butch was a politician in the making. Who else but a politician
> could figure out how to win two of the most highly coveted awards on our
> planet by being the best at sneaking up on the populace and screwing them
> when they weren't paying attention.
>
>
>
> VOTE CAREFULLY THIS YEAR...THE BELLS ARE NOT ALWAYS AUDIBLE
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tom Hargrave
>
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>
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[MBZ] this vista machine is a slow pos

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Yes, while the hardware is triple or quadruple what my old computer with 
xp was, it seems to drag and run real slow.  Like when watching a 
youtube video or something, it just studders and plays real slow. 
Everything just moves slow.  Have tried turning off the vista theme, 
didnt seem to help I dont think but may try it again.  The more and more 
I th ink about it, the more I think um going to get my xp machine back 
up and switch back to it.
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  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] why do all ebay and craigslist MB's get 45 mpg?

[Tyler Backman]

Many of the ones I see get "50+" or "70+" mpg!

Tyler

On Jul 7, 2008, at 5:59 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> 45 MPG 1979 300D Mercedes - $3000 (Keller)
> Reply to: see below
> Date: 2008-07-07, 5:34PM CDT
>
>
> Yes, it gets great gas mileage! I just put in a new A/C compressor but
> have not charged it up as yet so I'll include 7 cans of R12 (that's
> about $100 a can now). It has approximately 200K miles and still runs
> great! The only reason I'm selling? Wife says we have too many cars,
> this is our 3rd car I love tinkering with. Call me if interested
> 682-561-9562 Tim CASH ONLY
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>  89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
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>  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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[MBZ] Be Careful Voting this year!

[Tom Hargrave]

OLD BUTCH

 

John was in the fertilized egg business. He had several hundred young layers
(hens), called 'pullets,' and ten roosters to fertilize the eggs.

 

He kept records, and any rooster not performing went into the soup pot and
was replaced. This took a lot of time, so he bought some tiny bells and
attached them to his roosters. Each bell had a different tone, so he could
tell from a distance, which rooster was performing. Now, he could sit on the
porch and fill out an efficiency report by just listening to the bells.

 

John's favorite rooster, old Butch, was a very fine specimen, but this
morning he noticed old Butch's bell hadn't rung at all! When he went to
investigate, he saw the other roosters were busy chasing pullets,
bells-a-ringing, but the pullets, hearing the roosters coming, could run for
cover. To John's amazement, old Butch had his bell in his beak, so it
couldn't ring. He'd sneak up on a pullet, do his job and walk on to the next
one.

 

John was so proud of old Butch, he entered him in the Renfrew County Fair
and he became an overnight sensation among the judges. The result was the
judges not only awarded old Butch the NoBellPiece Prize but they also
awarded him the Pulletsurprise as well.

 

Clearly old Butch was a politician in the making. Who else but a politician
could figure out how to win two of the most highly coveted awards on our
planet by being the best at sneaking up on the populace and screwing them
when they weren't paying attention.

 

VOTE CAREFULLY THIS YEAR...THE BELLS ARE NOT ALWAYS AUDIBLE

 

 

Thanks,

Tom Hargrave

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Re: [MBZ] Wheels?

[TE]

I've got a very nice set of used Bundt's for sale. 14 X 6.5 ET30. They will
fit perfectly on a W115 and the 6.5 rim width gives you more flexibility
when choosing a tire size.

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Subject: [MBZ] Wheels?

"The factory part number on the rims is the only number I see, and I am
told by Mercedes that the first 4 digits of the part # represents the
size. The part # is 1465D305112P66. I have measured them and that
appears to be the size."

This is what the lady says in response to my question about the size. Is she
correct? Will the bundt's be 14 X 6.5?
If I recall, that is the size of the standard steel wheels.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Looking for a van.

[Gary Thompson]

There was a Mercedes deisel conversion van here on Craigslist just a
few weeks ago, complete with a replacement engine. Pretty cheap if I
recall. Can't seem to find it now, so it may be sold. Wouldn't hurt to
post a wanted add on austin.craigslist just in case.

Gary Thompson
1995 E320
Georgetown, TX


On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd pay $1k for that with a blown engine in heartbeat.
>
> I think I am going to look at some vanagons as well but would <3 to have
> a MBZ. I saw a sweet 107D RV conversion in Germany last time I was
> there. Looking for something small and bug proof to take the girls
> camping in.
>
> -Rolf

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[MBZ] camper

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

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Re: [MBZ] Wheels?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Those are going to be a little wide for a 115, you probably want 5.5 or 6

R A Bennell wrote:
> "The factory part number on the rims is the only number I see, and I am
> told by Mercedes that the first 4 digits of the part # represents the
> size. The part # is 1465D305112P66. I have measured them and that
> appears to be the size."
> 
> This is what the lady says in response to my question about the size. Is she 
> correct? Will the bundt's be 14 X 6.5?
> If I recall, that is the size of the standard steel wheels.
> 
> Randy
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 300SDL won't idle

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

bad elr

John Robbins wrote:
> A friend's parents have a 300SDL that won't idle.  The car will run fine 
> down the road, but you have to apply throttle to keep it running at 
> idle.  If you take your foot off of the throttle at idle it will drop 
> below idle, surge above idle, then shut off.  There is no smoke, and the 
> onset of the problem was fairly sudden.  The delivery valves are leaking 
> a little bit.
> 
> My thoughts are fuel filters -> delivery valves -> bad injection pump 
> governor.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> John
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Q about wheels

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Yea, they will fit.  I sell them cheaper though.  I have bolts as well.
R A Bennell wrote:
> I have a 1976 115 300D. It currently has the steel wheels and hubcaps.
> 
> I noticed last evening, an ad for a set of 4 "bundt" style aluminum wheels 
> from an MB for $300.
> 
> The wheels look good in the photo. Will they likely fit onto my car?
> 
> If I recall previous info, they should but I will need the longer wheel 
> bolts? Also, I assume the bolts are
> available with a chromed head so they match the wheel better?
> 
> Does Rusty carry the right bolts?
> 
> What do I need to know? I guess I could look to see the exact size of the 
> wheels on my car and then look at the
> size on the ones for sale but I won't bother to go look at these if they are 
> not going to work.
> 
> Randy
> 
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Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

be safe

Robert Rentfro wrote:
> Looks like Kaleb took care of it for me. That's service plus!
> 
> Bob R
> Off to Illinois in about 6 hours.
> 
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. But List Related for Kaleb
> 
> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>> Its automated, I dont have a thing to do with it.
> 
> Does Bob still have his monthly reminder email in his trash folder?
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Re: [MBZ] [Banned] the great dick van patten strikes again! (dog food off topic)

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

He is still alive?

Gary Hurst wrote:
> suburbia is moving out in all directions in atlanta.  i am at what is
> traditionally considered the at the far east of the atlanta metro area, but
> the reality is that suburbia is popping up as far as 15 miles east of me
> right now.  about 20 miles east of here is a real rural country feed store,
> boss brothers, that has decided to greet suburbia by building up a really
> killer dog food department, starting pretty much where walmart ends (science
> diet) and moving through all the way to recent kill freshly frozen packaged
> for your pooch.  i go there once a month to get a giant bag of innova and
> something else, whether it is something on special or something i haven't
> tried before.
> 
> the problem with the frozen kill stuff is that it is a bloody mess to work
> with.  it might be the best stuff you can find anywhere, but it is not
> pleasant to work with.  i don't like canned food as it is messy as well and
> isn't all that much better than kibble.  so what to supplement poochies
> kibble with?  i mostly use fresh bones from the butcher, which is clean and
> great for them.  pig tails are a favorite of mine.  sometimes,  though, the
> supermarket butcher doesn't have anything to sell you for the dogs and you
> really don't want to make another trip.  anther alternative is cleaned up
> frozen patties, but generally you can only find these in upscale social
> conscious area shops (for example, there is a superb shop in
> morningside/virginia highlands by the mike froedge coffee shop).
> 
> dick van patten now gives us a third alternative, the equivalent of chubs of
> salamis for dogs.  it has a long shelf life at room temperature (12 months
> if not opened).  easy to work with with a relatively hard consistently and
> not disgusting at all to handle or smell.  the dogs like it too!
> 
> http://www.naturalbalanceinc.com/dogformulas/DFRolls.html
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Re: [MBZ] 300SDL won't idle

[Peter Frederick]

There are several failures that  can cause the engine to stall coming  
to idle.  A sticking rack comes to mind first, and the cure is to  
dump a bottle of RedLine fuel treatment into a full tank of fuel, or  
do a PowerService treatment -- either one will dissolve the gummy  
stuff keeping the rack closed when it should be moving to slight open  
the sleeve slots.

A mechanical idle set too low will make this worse (since it goes too  
far shut then), and a failed OVP will disable the idle control.  If  
the tach dives to zero with the engine banging away then stalling,  
it's most likely the OVP, as the computer that controls the idle  
speed drives the tach too.  You do need to set the mechanical idle  
higher.   If the condition is worse with the AC on, it's for sure  
partially or wholly the OVP or idle control system.

Unplugging the idle control solenoid will make it worse, not better,  
by the way.

My brother's SDL is doing this, and I keep telling him to go get  
another relay, but he always makes excuses.

Peter



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[MBZ] Crazy Wipers

[rrentfro]

As yous all know, it never rains in AZ. So as I'm driving through NM today it 
begins to rain. I then experienced the magic wipers. How cool are those?
I'm getting 28.3mpg with cruise set at 80. Not bad.

Bob R

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Re: [MBZ] i actually talk car stuff! (shocking, i know)`

[Gary Hurst]

no, but it costs more when it leaks out.

i've had the tranny pulled twice to fix the leaks and both times were
failures at huge expense to me.  no more tranny pulling for me.

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> Fix the front seal, Mobil 1 will NOT make it leak, wear does.
>
> Peter
>
> On Jul 7, 2008, at 10:25 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>
> > and when  your front seal leaks?
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Craig McCluskey
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> >> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:45:06 -0400 "Gary Hurst"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> yeah, dexron whatever they are up to that you can buy cheap by
> >>> the case
> >>> at the auto parts store.  3, 4, i don't know.
> >>
> >> All I know is that Marshall recommended Mobil 1 ATF ...
> >>
> >>
> >> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] More problems....Chain installation question?

[Peter Frederick]

Use the one that slides on as the center link (although we have had  
to push the link through that one too) and the tigher one on the  
outside.

They are supposed to fit tight.  If the tool presses them on, it's  
correct.  We usually use the pressed on but not crimped piece to draw  
the old chain through, press the link back out, install it in both  
ends of the new chain, and swage.

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Re: [MBZ] i actually talk car stuff! (shocking, i know)`

[Peter Frederick]

Fix the front seal, Mobil 1 will NOT make it leak, wear does.

Peter

On Jul 7, 2008, at 10:25 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

> and when  your front seal leaks?
>
> On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Craig McCluskey  
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:45:06 -0400 "Gary Hurst"  
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> yeah, dexron whatever they are up to that you can buy cheap by  
>>> the case
>>> at the auto parts store.  3, 4, i don't know.
>>
>> All I know is that Marshall recommended Mobil 1 ATF ...
>>
>>
>> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] 300SDL won't idle

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 1:40 PM, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> dave walton wrote:
>> If the Tachometer does not work either, replace the Overvoltage relay
>> (aka Overload Relay - $60).

> Why would that cause the car to die though?  It does the same thing with
> the idle control actuator on the IP disconnected.  IIRC, its still
> supposed to idle even when there is no regulation of the idle.

I vote for your first guess, fuel delivery problem of some kind---bad
filter, crud in the tank, etc.  All my 603 experience says the same
thing about the idle regulation system (properly termed EDS, I
believe)---idle is rougher without it, but I've left it disconnected
by accident and never known the car to stall.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo et al.

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[MBZ] the great dick van patten strikes again! (dog food off topic)

[Gary Hurst]

suburbia is moving out in all directions in atlanta.  i am at what is
traditionally considered the at the far east of the atlanta metro area, but
the reality is that suburbia is popping up as far as 15 miles east of me
right now.  about 20 miles east of here is a real rural country feed store,
boss brothers, that has decided to greet suburbia by building up a really
killer dog food department, starting pretty much where walmart ends (science
diet) and moving through all the way to recent kill freshly frozen packaged
for your pooch.  i go there once a month to get a giant bag of innova and
something else, whether it is something on special or something i haven't
tried before.

the problem with the frozen kill stuff is that it is a bloody mess to work
with.  it might be the best stuff you can find anywhere, but it is not
pleasant to work with.  i don't like canned food as it is messy as well and
isn't all that much better than kibble.  so what to supplement poochies
kibble with?  i mostly use fresh bones from the butcher, which is clean and
great for them.  pig tails are a favorite of mine.  sometimes,  though, the
supermarket butcher doesn't have anything to sell you for the dogs and you
really don't want to make another trip.  anther alternative is cleaned up
frozen patties, but generally you can only find these in upscale social
conscious area shops (for example, there is a superb shop in
morningside/virginia highlands by the mike froedge coffee shop).

dick van patten now gives us a third alternative, the equivalent of chubs of
salamis for dogs.  it has a long shelf life at room temperature (12 months
if not opened).  easy to work with with a relatively hard consistently and
not disgusting at all to handle or smell.  the dogs like it too!

http://www.naturalbalanceinc.com/dogformulas/DFRolls.html
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Re: [MBZ] 300SDL won't idle

[dave walton]

You got me there - I don't fully understand the systems involved. I'm
forwarding to you the advice given to me by Marshall for a very
similar problem. Unfortunately I don't know anyone else to look to who
would be authoritative for further explanation.

-Dave Walton

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 4:40 PM, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> dave walton wrote:
>> If the Tachometer does not work either, replace the Overvoltage relay
>> (aka Overload Relay - $60). Actually - check the fuse in the relay
>> first. Might be an easy fix. It is located next to the brake booster
>> towards the center of the car next to the Klima. Red plastic with
>> clear flip top to get to the fuse. If that's it, you then have to
>> figure out why the fuse blew... Replace all the fuses while you are at
>> it if they are original.
>>
>> My first 300SDL did that exact thing intermittently after multi-hour
>> road trips. I'd pull up to a toll booth and the car would die. Give it
>> gas and it worked fine. Let it sit for a bit, and it worked okay.
>> Resoldering the connections in the relay fixed the problem (thus far).
>
> Why would that cause the car to die though?  It does the same thing with
> the idle control actuator on the IP disconnected.  IIRC, its still
> supposed to idle even when there is no regulation of the idle.
>
> Thanks for the info!  I'll be forwarding it on...
>
> John
>
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Re: [MBZ] 300SDL won't idle

[John Robbins]

dave walton wrote:
> If the Tachometer does not work either, replace the Overvoltage relay
> (aka Overload Relay - $60). Actually - check the fuse in the relay
> first. Might be an easy fix. It is located next to the brake booster
> towards the center of the car next to the Klima. Red plastic with
> clear flip top to get to the fuse. If that's it, you then have to
> figure out why the fuse blew... Replace all the fuses while you are at
> it if they are original.
> 
> My first 300SDL did that exact thing intermittently after multi-hour
> road trips. I'd pull up to a toll booth and the car would die. Give it
> gas and it worked fine. Let it sit for a bit, and it worked okay.
> Resoldering the connections in the relay fixed the problem (thus far).

Why would that cause the car to die though?  It does the same thing with 
the idle control actuator on the IP disconnected.  IIRC, its still 
supposed to idle even when there is no regulation of the idle.

Thanks for the info!  I'll be forwarding it on...

John


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[MBZ] Wheels?

[R A Bennell]

"The factory part number on the rims is the only number I see, and I am
told by Mercedes that the first 4 digits of the part # represents the
size. The part # is 1465D305112P66. I have measured them and that
appears to be the size."

This is what the lady says in response to my question about the size. Is she 
correct? Will the bundt's be 14 X 6.5?
If I recall, that is the size of the standard steel wheels.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] My '78 300D

[RELNGSON]

Oops, I forgot to mention in my list of failures that the 200 pound York AC 
compressor on the 50 pound bracket failed also, out of warranty.

RLE


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Re: [MBZ] '78 300D

[RELNGSON]

> "45 MPG 1979 300D Mercedes - $3000 (Keller)"
> 
Since I bought a '78 300D   new and drove it nearly seven years and 120K 
miles, I have a pretty good idea what sort of car it is/was.
Milan Brown metallic, tan tex interior, polished Bundt wheels, euro lights 
with wipers, high end Alpine sound system. Tricked the AC into putting out cold 
air which it didn't do much of, stock.

As to the 45mpg claim, well, we all know that's a damned lie. At normal 
cruising speeds on level ground with everything adjusted perfectly the thing 
will 
not quite reach 29mpg. Whaddaya want with 77hp in a big heavy car? 21mpg around 
town (my town at least) is about normal. According to an MB document long 
since lost, top speed was 99 mph at a governed 4400 rpm, once achieved in the 
wilds of British Columbia. Took a while.

As to reliability on a 30 year old car, every single thing under the hood 
except the engine will have been replaced already, some multiple times.

During my car's warranty period these bits failed:

Power steering pump
Radiator
Water pump
Thermostats
Heater vacuum servo valve
AC condenser
Alternator
13 injectors
AC control panel (buttons)
Some sort of transmission hiccup, can't recall.

Later:
Driver's window lift mechanism disintegrated. Replaced in the driveway easily 
and cheap.
Right side wiper mechanism did the same.
Probably five sets of tires.
More which I've forgotten, now.

It's worth mentioning that my 300D cost about 1/2 of my '08 C300 cost and was 
about the same size but a bit lighter. The C300 (228hp, 4-cam 3-liter V-6, 
7-speed auto) also gets 21 mpg in town but will likely eke out 30 mpg highway 
on 
premium and is a flex-fuel vehicle which could run on E85 if desired.

I still think that my 123 was a good solid car, just the right size, handled 
and braked OK if a bit ponderous and you just have to learn to live with the 
weak performance and engine noise. Wouldn't mind having another as a second 
car. Well, third actually. Wouldn't pay 3000 bucks, though.

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Re: [MBZ] 300SDL won't idle

[dave walton]

If the Tachometer does not work either, replace the Overvoltage relay
(aka Overload Relay - $60). Actually - check the fuse in the relay
first. Might be an easy fix. It is located next to the brake booster
towards the center of the car next to the Klima. Red plastic with
clear flip top to get to the fuse. If that's it, you then have to
figure out why the fuse blew... Replace all the fuses while you are at
it if they are original.

My first 300SDL did that exact thing intermittently after multi-hour
road trips. I'd pull up to a toll booth and the car would die. Give it
gas and it worked fine. Let it sit for a bit, and it worked okay.
Resoldering the connections in the relay fixed the problem (thus far).

-Dave Walton

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 3:11 PM, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A friend's parents have a 300SDL that won't idle.  The car will run fine
> down the road, but you have to apply throttle to keep it running at
> idle.  If you take your foot off of the throttle at idle it will drop
> below idle, surge above idle, then shut off.  There is no smoke, and the
> onset of the problem was fairly sudden.  The delivery valves are leaking
> a little bit.
>
> My thoughts are fuel filters -> delivery valves -> bad injection pump
> governor.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> John
>
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[MBZ] 300SDL won't idle

[John Robbins]

A friend's parents have a 300SDL that won't idle.  The car will run fine 
down the road, but you have to apply throttle to keep it running at 
idle.  If you take your foot off of the throttle at idle it will drop 
below idle, surge above idle, then shut off.  There is no smoke, and the 
onset of the problem was fairly sudden.  The delivery valves are leaking 
a little bit.

My thoughts are fuel filters -> delivery valves -> bad injection pump 
governor.

Any ideas?

John


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Re: [MBZ] Chain installation question?

[OK Don]

I out the black one in the middle, and the sliver one on the outside,
but not for any particular reason - just decided to do it that way. I
guess it's easier to find the link later, shoudl you be so inclined.
I've replaced four chains, and have never had an issue with them
afterwards, using both the peening with a hammer kind and the snap-on
clip type.

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 3:42 AM, Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Got ready to install the chain on my '83 300D and read the instructions that
> came with the tool from Performance Products which said to use the outer
> clip with "IWIS" on it.  Both clips have IWIS on them but there is a
> difference in color:  one is black, the other is silver.
> There must be a reason for the clips of different colors.  One is probably
> supposed to go in the center and the other being the outer clip.  The black
> clip is the color of spring steel.
> The clips I took off of the old chain are not different colors.  I miked the
> new clips and they are both the same thickness.  I have two new links; one
> came with the chain and the other from Rusty.  Both are the same with two
> links of different colors.
> All help greatly appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Gerry
>

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Re: [MBZ] 87 MBZ 420 SEL Maintenance Manual

[OK Don]

The 126 chassis CDs are usually available on eBay, though they are
often pirated copies (they work fine). Rick's suggestion will get you
the real thing.

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Rick Knoble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Just bought an 87 MBZ 420 SEL. Could anyone recommend some good maintenance
>> manuals and where to get them? Thanks,
>> Ken
>
>
> http://www.classictechlit.mbusa.com/MB/default.asp?catalog%5Fname=Retail
>
> I did not see the Service CD's listed on the site. Your best bet would be to 
> call MBUSA Classic Center @ 1-866-MBCLASSIC (622-5277). I bought my W123 
> manuals online, however I had to call for my W201 manual.
>

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[MBZ] Q about wheels

[R A Bennell]

I have a 1976 115 300D. It currently has the steel wheels and hubcaps.

I noticed last evening, an ad for a set of 4 "bundt" style aluminum wheels from 
an MB for $300.

The wheels look good in the photo. Will they likely fit onto my car?

If I recall previous info, they should but I will need the longer wheel bolts? 
Also, I assume the bolts are
available with a chromed head so they match the wheel better?

Does Rusty carry the right bolts?

What do I need to know? I guess I could look to see the exact size of the 
wheels on my car and then look at the
size on the ones for sale but I won't bother to go look at these if they are 
not going to work.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Looking for a van.

[Rolf]

I'd pay $1k for that with a blown engine in heartbeat.

I think I am going to look at some vanagons as well but would <3 to have
a MBZ. I saw a sweet 107D RV conversion in Germany last time I was
there. Looking for something small and bug proof to take the girls
camping in.

-Rolf

Tom Hargrave wrote:
> Actually, the pictures don't look that bad. Too bad it's priced at 4K &
> needs an engine. Seller states "it blows smoke" and "injectors will need to
> be overhauled".
>
> Might be a "Kaleb special", assuming he could talk them down to 1K & drop in
> a 240D engine.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> www.kegkits.com
> 256-656-1924
>  
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 7:28 AM
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for a van.
>
> "Mercedes Van" on ebay got two full size and dozens of 1:87 and 1:43 scale.
> The old four cylinder is about 50 miles away from me, but around here "sat
> in a 
> field for 12 years" is generally equivalent to "the frame is totally rusted
> out".
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300240020421
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230267982162
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Re: [MBZ] More problems....Chain installation question?

[John Robbins]

Archer wrote:
> End of rant.

Times like these really make you want to own an "appliance" vehicle. 
Then you get the car running again and 15 miles down the road that isn't 
an option anymore.  :)

John


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Re: [MBZ] why do all ebay and craigslist MB's get 45 mpg?

[John Robbins]

Wilton Strickland wrote:
> $100 a can!!!???  I may need to start selling Freon!

About a year ago I bought a half full 30lb container of R12 for $140. 
The dude is throwing out all sorts of lies to sell his car.

John


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Re: [MBZ] How Long's It Been?

[Wilton Strickland]

I thought it was a retired colonel, but that's OK.

Wilton, LtCol (Ret)

- Original Message -
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Subject: [MBZ] How Long's It Been?


> How Long's It Been?
>
> An old but still ruggedly handsome Sergeant Major found himself at a gala
event
> hosted by a local liberal arts college. There was no shortage of extremely
> young, idealistic ladies in attendance, one of whom approached the
Sergeant
> Major for conversation. "Excuse me, Sergeant Major, but you seem to be a
very
> serious man. Is something bothering you?"
>
> "Negative, ma'am. Just serious by nature."
>
> The young lady looked at his awards and decorations and said, "It looks
like you
> have seen a lot of action."
>
> "Yes, ma'am, a lot of action."
>
> The young lady, tiring of trying to start up a conversation, said, "You
know,
> you should lighten up a little. Relax and enjoy yourself."
>
> The Sergeant Major just stared at her in his serious manner. Finally, the
young
> lady said, "You know, I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but when
is the
> last time you've been with a woman?"
>
> "1955, ma'am."
>
> "Well, there you are. You really need to chill out and quit taking
everything so
> seriously!? I mean, 1955!?"
>
> Feeling charitable and a little bit drunk, she took his hand and led him
to a
> private room where she proceeded to spend some time with him. Afterwards,
> panting for breath, she leaned against his chest and said, "Wow, you sure
> didn't forget much since 1955!"
>
> The Sergeant Major, glancing at his watch, said in his matter-of-fact
voice, "I
> hope not, it's only 2130 now."
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Re: [MBZ] Looking for a van.

[Tom Hargrave]

Actually, the pictures don't look that bad. Too bad it's priced at 4K &
needs an engine. Seller states "it blows smoke" and "injectors will need to
be overhauled".

Might be a "Kaleb special", assuming he could talk them down to 1K & drop in
a 240D engine.

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Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 7:28 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Looking for a van.

"Mercedes Van" on ebay got two full size and dozens of 1:87 and 1:43 scale.
The old four cylinder is about 50 miles away from me, but around here "sat
in a 
field for 12 years" is generally equivalent to "the frame is totally rusted
out".

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300240020421
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Re: [MBZ] eBay Auction 1972 280SEL 4.5

[LarryT]

I think Chuck was speaking more about the nature of this particular type of 
car - a full sized sedan with a big V8.  It was very fast and luxurious.  As 
opposed to a diesel that could be converted to run on french fry grease --

 I was lucky enough to own a '72 28SE 4.5 - the SEL was the same except for 
a 4" additionalm space in the rear seat area.  MB engineers are known to 
have commented that this was probably the best big MB sedan ever made.

The engine in mine was in pretty good mechanical condition and even so it 
only got around 14mpg when tuned perfectly.   But all that was forgotten 
once the speedo got above 80mph - the road got quieter, the wind noise 
subsided and best of all the chassis changed the whole character of the car. 
The suspension became smooth and compliant  - soaking up bumps and tar 
strips with the feel of a Ferrari/Cadillac combination!

They're amazing cars but like all from that time they can rust severely. 
The front bumper support, lower fenders, headlight buckets, rockers (big 
time!) and rear quarters -

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- Original Message - 
From: "Tyler Backman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] eBay Auction 1972 280SEL 4.5


> If MPG isn't a consideration on classics, than why has the price of
> diesel pontons shot up so much recently?
>
> Tyler
>
> On Jul 7, 2008, at 11:04 AM, Chuck Landenberger wrote:
>
>> Gary,
>>
>> An earlier auction did not meet the Reserve.  Reserve has been
>> reduced.  As to gas crunch, etc., IMHO, if you want this kind of
>> classic, MPG is not a consideration.  Besides, it ain't a daily
>> driver.
>>
>> I haven't seen it, but been told it in VG condition  As
>> described
>>
>> Take care,
>>
>> Chuck
>
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Re: [MBZ] Looking for a van.

[Mitch Haley]

"Mercedes Van" on ebay got two full size and dozens of 1:87 and 1:43 scale.
The old four cylinder is about 50 miles away from me, but around here "sat in a 
field for 12 years" is generally equivalent to "the frame is totally rusted 
out".

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300240020421
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230267982162

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Re: [MBZ] Looking for a van.

[Steve MacSween]

Rolf, if you are in a hurry you had better plan on visiting ebay.de and
importing it yourself.

If you have time, check craigslist.com and ebay.com on a regular basis. They
do turn up now and again, and usually in need of something so they aren't
expensive. However, if it isn't located close by, transporting it WILL be
expensive.

If you are willing to forgo cheap, I can track down the URL of a company
located near Montreal, Canada that imports VW and Mercedes campers from
Europe. But they are expensive and if my memory of Mercedes model numbers is
accurate, newer than what you want.

Mac

on 7/7/08 13:13, Rolf at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Preferably in need of a lot of TLC.
> Preferably cheap.
> Preferably in the Southeast.
> 
> 207/206/307 type vehicles. Looking to make an RV conversion so I can
> take my ladies camping.


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Re: [MBZ] Looking for a van.

[LarryT]

Hey Rolf -
Not aware of any MB Vans sold here -- perhaps a grey market van once in a 
while but most grey importers were mre interested in performance oriented 
MBs.   A  plain-Jane MB van will be tough to locate IMO..  Have seen some 
incredible MB RVs in The Star from time to time -

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Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 1:13 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Looking for a van.


> Preferably in need of a lot of TLC.
> Preferably cheap.
> Preferably in the Southeast.
>
> 207/206/307 type vehicles. Looking to make an RV conversion so I can
> take my ladies camping.
>
> -Rolf
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Re: [MBZ] 300SD Vac Pump Rebuild does not suck

[Rich Thomas]

I was thinking about it last night, and I think you are correct.  The 
one valve by itself is probably the one that needs to be flipped, though 
I put them all back in the same as they came out, (I am pretty sure of 
that).  I guess we will fool with it a bit again today, try to just take 
the cover off without taking the whole thing off again (what a pain job 
that is).

--R

Allan Streib wrote:
> If yours is like mine, one of the three check valves (the one by
> itself) is inverted compared to the other two.  You'll notice that the
> pump cover has a recess over that valve to accomodate it being "upside
> down" compared to the others.
>
> I made exactly the same mistake assembling mine.  I put all three
> valves in the same way.  I should have, but did not, notice which way
> they were oriented when I took the pump apart.  But on my first
> attempt, I put it all back together, and NO vacuum.  I was able to
> remove the cover and flip that one valve over without entirely
> removing the pump, though getting the convoluted "o-ring" that seals
> the cover back in place with the pump body on the car was a bit
> touchy.  I had perfect vacuum after that.
>
> Allan
> --
> 1983 300D
>
>
> Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>   
>> Vac pump on the 84 300SD was not sucking, so the boy and I rebuilt it 
>> this afternoon/evening.  Fired the car up and NO VACUUM!  Well, only 
>> about 4psi on the MityVac gauge.  Not sure what the problem is now.  
>> Looked like one of the check valves in the pump was munched, we replaced 
>> everything in the kit -- piston ring, 3 check valves/seals, rubber "O 
>> ring" (it really isn't an "O" but looks like one with a bunch of other 
>> features).  All went back together well.  I do not have the repair 
>> manual on this computer, I wonder if I got a check valve in backwards?  
>> The old ones all appeared to be oriented all the same way, we put the 
>> new ones in all the same way.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> --R
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Re: [MBZ] why do all ebay and craigslist MB's get 45 mpg?

[LarryT]

About $99 of the $100 is Federal Tax!

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From: "Wilton Strickland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] why do all ebay and craigslist MB's get 45 mpg?


> $100 a can!!!???  I may need to start selling Freon!
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Allan Streib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] why do all ebay and craigslist MB's get 45 mpg?
>
>
>> Run away...  The MPG is clearly a lie, and why would you go through
>> the effort to replace the AC compressor and then not charge it.  The
>> AC doesn't work, or won't hold a charge, is why.
>>
>>
>> "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> > 45 MPG 1979 300D Mercedes - $3000 (Keller)
>> > Reply to: see below
>> > Date: 2008-07-07, 5:34PM CDT
>> >
>> >
>> > Yes, it gets great gas mileage! I just put in a new A/C compressor but
>> > have not charged it up as yet so I'll include 7 cans of R12 (that's
>> > about $100 a can now). It has approximately 200K miles and still runs
>> > great! The only reason I'm selling? Wife says we have too many cars,
>> > this is our 3rd car I love tinkering with. Call me if interested
>> > 682-561-9562 Tim CASH ONLY
>>
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Re: [MBZ] why do all ebay and craigslist MB's get 45 mpg?

[LarryT]

I've noticed that too - we also see that in our local newspapers & Trading 
Posts - any diesel MB is advertised to get 30 and up - wild imaginations or 
flat out lies.  Perhaps they are selling because the mileage is less than 
advertised?

In addition to the high mpg's, any MB more than 5 years old is said to be 
"RARE" -   even W123s which were made in greater quantities than any other 
MB -

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Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:59 PM
Subject: [MBZ] why do all ebay and craigslist MB's get 45 mpg?


> 45 MPG 1979 300D Mercedes - $3000 (Keller)
> Reply to: see below
> Date: 2008-07-07, 5:34PM CDT
>
>
> Yes, it gets great gas mileage! I just put in a new A/C compressor but
> have not charged it up as yet so I'll include 7 cans of R12 (that's
> about $100 a can now). It has approximately 200K miles and still runs
> great! The only reason I'm selling? Wife says we have too many cars,
> this is our 3rd car I love tinkering with. Call me if interested
> 682-561-9562 Tim CASH ONLY
> -- 
> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>  94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL,
>  89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
>  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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[MBZ] More problems....Chain installation question?

[Archer]

More problems.  The outside clip is supposed to seat very precisely in the 
chain press tool from Performance Products.  It won't even go down in the 
seat and shape of the seat looks different.  If I try to mount the link, the 
link will be crooked or might not even go on the link.  The links and the 
chain appear to be OEM IWIS.  It must be either the wrong chain or the wrong 
chain criimper.  (#$%^&*!!!)

Put the '83 300D in the shop about a month ago to adjust the valves and do 
routine service.  The chain stretch was sitting on 5 so I decided to put on 
a new one.  Then the A/C in the shop went bad and I had to stop and install 
a new one.  Then a leak developed behind the false partition or or around 
the water heater which is under the sink top and inaccessible until the car 
comes out of the shop (it's still leaking.)  Then I came down with acute 
diverticulitis and haven't been able to do much for over a week.  Tonight I 
was making progress the on car but probably have the wrong tool or the wrong 
chain.  (#$%^&*!!!).
End of rant.
Gerry
P.S. Figured out the chain link color problem below.  Only the silver 
colored clip with slide on the link to the middle.  The black clip won't 
even start on the link, but the tool will probably press it on (Class 3 
fit?)

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From: "Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Got ready to install the chain on my '83 300D and read the instructions 
> that
> came with the tool from Performance Products which said to use the outer
> clip with "IWIS" on it.  Both clips have IWIS on them but there is a
> difference in color:  one is black, the other is silver.
> There must be a reason for the clips of different colors.  One is probably
> supposed to go in the center and the other being the outer clip.  The 
> black
> clip is the color of spring steel.
> The clips I took off of the old chain are not different colors.  I miked 
> the
> new clips and they are both the same thickness.  I have two new links; one
> came with the chain and the other from Rusty.  Both are the same with two
> links of different colors.
> All help greatly appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Gerry


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[MBZ] How Long's It Been?

[Luther]

How Long's It Been?

An old but still ruggedly handsome Sergeant Major found himself at a gala event
hosted by a local liberal arts college. There was no shortage of extremely
young, idealistic ladies in attendance, one of whom approached the Sergeant
Major for conversation. "Excuse me, Sergeant Major, but you seem to be a very
serious man. Is something bothering you?"

"Negative, ma'am. Just serious by nature."

The young lady looked at his awards and decorations and said, "It looks like you
have seen a lot of action."

"Yes, ma'am, a lot of action."

The young lady, tiring of trying to start up a conversation, said, "You know,
you should lighten up a little. Relax and enjoy yourself."

The Sergeant Major just stared at her in his serious manner. Finally, the young
lady said, "You know, I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but when is the
last time you've been with a woman?"

"1955, ma'am."

"Well, there you are. You really need to chill out and quit taking everything so
seriously!? I mean, 1955!?"

Feeling charitable and a little bit drunk, she took his hand and led him to a
private room where she proceeded to spend some time with him. Afterwards,
panting for breath, she leaned against his chest and said, "Wow, you sure
didn't forget much since 1955!"

The Sergeant Major, glancing at his watch, said in his matter-of-fact voice, "I
hope not, it's only 2130 now."

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[MBZ] Chain installation question?

[Archer]

Got ready to install the chain on my '83 300D and read the instructions that 
came with the tool from Performance Products which said to use the outer 
clip with "IWIS" on it.  Both clips have IWIS on them but there is a 
difference in color:  one is black, the other is silver.
There must be a reason for the clips of different colors.  One is probably 
supposed to go in the center and the other being the outer clip.  The black 
clip is the color of spring steel.
The clips I took off of the old chain are not different colors.  I miked the 
new clips and they are both the same thickness.  I have two new links; one 
came with the chain and the other from Rusty.  Both are the same with two 
links of different colors.
All help greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Gerry


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